#1974 Lower the Threshold
Lower the Threshold
Sian is an engineering student who was diagnosed in the middle of a semester — found in a dorm shower, five days in the hospital, and back at school almost immediately. She also has a needle phobia.
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- Her diagnosis happened in the middle of a semester, and she went straight back. Sian describes a stretch of worsening symptoms she read as burnout and anxiety — nausea, a panic attack in a campus store, and eventually dreaming about water, which she now recognizes as a dehydration sign. She was found in a dorm shower, taken by ambulance, and spent about five days in the hospital. She never considered taking time off school.
- Everything was explainable until it wasn't. She had a real framework for what was happening — midterms, a stressful program she'd chosen deliberately, a history of anxiety — and each symptom fit it. Scott's parallel is watching Arden lose weight on a GLP and not seeing it, because obvious things aren't obvious when they're happening to you.
- Her approach to anxiety is deliberate exposure. Rather than avoid what sets it off, she describes lowering the threshold of what can cause it by walking into it on purpose. Scott pushes back a little — standing in the cold so you're not cold anymore — and she holds her position. It's also how she handles the needle phobia.
- The needle phobia is sensory, and she has a system. She explains that when she's overloaded she can't hear or see properly, so she has to be sitting up and knows exactly what sequence she needs. A bug bite she scratched aggressively during an injection became an accidental discovery. She's candid that she can't tell whether she's improved through exposure or just understands her own process now.
- She's running an algorithm she didn't set up herself. Sian admits she didn't configure AndroidAPS on her own and has mixed feelings about that, and she and Scott get into basal and insulin on board — her read being that honeymooning mostly affected her basal, and that even a fraction of a unit lingering overnight matters. Nothing here is medical advice.
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I'm Shan. I am a a university student with type one diabetes. I was diagnosed when I was 18.
Cheyenne, you said? Shan. Shan. Oh, nice. I wasn't sure how to pronounce your name.
That's lovely. Yeah. Alright. Well, you were diagnosed when were 18. How old are you now?
23.
And you're calling me from school still? Yes. Are you a professional student?
Yes. Effectively at this point. Basically, the... I'm in engineering, and engineering kinda takes forever if you don't take six courses every semester,
Five years of engineering, and co-op2:15
and I
don't. And, also, the school that I go to, they have, like, an internship program essentially that's, like, required. So that tends to make scheduling complicated for everyone involved. So... Gotcha.
So fewer classes per semester.
Yeah. And then also, like, at this point at this point, I've, like, worked for essentially, like, two years in, like, different engineering type roles and stuff. So, like, it's like, it's been five years, but also I've been working for two of those years. So, like...
It's interesting. Do you like the do you like the cadence of it? Do like how it's working?
Yeah. I think so. I want it to be done. I've enjoyed... And this has been a problem, but I've enjoyed working more than I've enjoyed being at school, which is part of why it's taken so long because I did extend some of my work terms more than is necessary, but I also enjoy where I'm working.
So, like...
Is it a paid internship?
Yeah. So that helps too.
So you have to finish the degree to keep the job, but you can you you can have the job while you're getting the degree?
Yeah. Kind of. Awesome. Yeah. I mean, a lot of people get hired out after they finish their degree and stuff if the company is like them.
So, I mean, hopefully, that would happen. But, like, also, I have I have three more semesters of, like, just classes after this. So we'll see where the organization I'm at is, how they're doing in a year. But
How do you... Do you need more school after that, or are you done done?
Like, hypothetically, I could get a master's, but, like, a lot of people get jobs with just undergrad degrees. Kinda thinking about getting a master's though, which I never thought I'd say. But, honestly, master's sounds a lot more relaxed than I initially thought it would be. So we'll see.
What would the masters do for you? Would that be a professional or a personal decision?
So based on a conversation I had with someone I work with, he was kinda talking about how a lot of people who are in engineering and have undergrads end up going into basically, like, management type positions rather than, like, actually designing stuff. And if you get a master's, you're more likely to be, like, focused on, like, a project. Mhmm. So you're more likely to end up actually designing stuff is my understanding of what he was saying, and I kind of would prefer to be actually designing stuff. But I don't know.
We'll... It's it's it's funny because Arden called us the other night. Kelly and I were traveling and we were in the car and Arden calls and she just got out of, like, a first class with this professor. And she's like, I am in love with this guy. And we're like, oh, what...
What's going on? And she's like, he's 60. He's like a little round guy. Like, you know, he's, like, he's so cool. Like, she's talking about her.
She's like, I'm calling my boyfriend now to tell him we're done. You know, like, she just, and this guy started giving her advice, and it was interesting how quickly she's like, well, obviously, this is what I have to do. And and it's occurred to me, like, you know, I'm not saying she's gonna do exactly what he said, but the part that occurred to me is how uncertain the path is and how much and how much it's built by the people you meet along the way and the things that they share and how impacted you are by their opinions, not necessarily those opinions being accurate. And I I start to wonder if there's actually any accurate way to do it or if it's all just sort of, you know, you... You're like a Lego that you just kinda keep, like, snapping stuff onto.
And then one day, you're like, alright. Well, this is all the information I have. I'm gonna walk out now and see what happens.
Yeah. That's the thing that my dad's, both my parents are, like, older, and so they have a lot of life experience and opinions and whatever. And, that's something that my dad talks about a lot where there are certain decisions that he made that, like, looking back now, he's like, oh, I made that decision because, like, someone told me, like, x y z. And that just, like, changed the trajectory of my life in, like, these ways that I wasn't expecting. But...
Yeah. No. I've been thinking about that a lot more recently too....
Could just have bumped into somebody else who told you master's degree. You don't need that.
Yeah. Exactly. Yeah.
And you'd be like, I don't need a master's degree. That guy told me.
Yeah.
It's tough, man. It's tough to figure out. What kind of engineer are you going to be
or? Electrical.
Oh, what does that mean? When all you smart people talk about your engineering, what... Like, what is... Like, some people, like, I'm a mechanical engineer. I'm an electrical engineer.
How did you choose electrical engineering? Actually?
It's funny because I actually... Initially, I started off in biomedical, which was really ironic because I I thought it was ironic and pretty funny because I got diagnosed with type one in in university. And so when I was... When the doctors were like, like, what kind of engineering do you wanna be? I was like, biomedical.
And they were like, oh, that's nice. But I was in biomedical for, like, a year, and then I was working my first, like, internship position, and it was at just, like, a lab essentially, which I enjoyed because it was fun not necessarily having to, like, talk to people all the time. But it was also kind of just, like, repetitive in a way that I didn't... I don't think I wanna do for the rest of my life. And biomedical engineering is kind of an tricky program, I think, because they try to make it...
Like, they try to teach you mechanical, electrical, and biological stuff all in four years, which is
Yeah.
Means you have, like, a lot of knowledge or, like, just very, like, spread out knowledge, which isn't necessarily great for getting specific
Yeah.
Jobs. Like, it's it's hard to get positions as a biomedical person.
Yeah. Yeah. You're not... You don't have a a focus that that gets you into something specifically.
Yeah. Exactly. Hey. Hey.
Give me a second. It just occurred to me. You sound American, but you keep saying university. Are you Canadian?
I am Canadian.
I knew it. I... See how I do it? It's amazing what I've done for you people. Listening, I mean.
Because you sound like you're from here. What are you? In... You're in, like, Toronto or are you, like, in that area?
I'm from Alberta.
Oh, I don't know where that is.
Okay. It's like the middle kind of.
Oh, get it. Wait. Wait. Wait. You know where Alabama is?
Stop it. But you... Don't don't judge me. Okay? Alberta.
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Okay. Anyway, yeah. You just... It just hit me. Like, why'd you say university so many times?
You sound so American. So are you gonna, like, ONA soon and, like... Or you're not gonna do that?
I don't know. I was I was curious about that because every time I listen to the podcast and a Canadian person comes on, you're always... You generally pick it up fairly quickly. But... So I've always been like, do I talk like a Canadian person?
And I don't know.
No. You you don't. You sound like you're Interesting. You sound like you're just North Of Kentucky. So...
Alright. Okay.
Again, a place you don't know where it's at. I'm just saying, like, you're not you're not quite... You don't sound like you're up on the border of Canada, you don't sound like you're in the South. You sound like you're, I don't know, in the, like, slightly South of Chicago, maybe a little West region. It's it's not important.
I I I don't wanna get caught up in this. Okay? I I like that you're an engineer. How come you're so smart? Is your whole family a bunch of smarty pants?
What's going on?
Well, my... Yeah. My dad's... Yeah. There's a lot of engineers in my family, actually.
I think it's that. I think that's why.
Is it all wiring? Do you... Like, did... Does everybody's personality, like, trend in a certain way?
No. No? Like Okay. I don't think so. I know it's funny because
my Would you even know?
Well, yeah, that's the other thing is I was just like, would I know that? I'm not sure. Because, like... Yeah. There's......
Find there to be this this fine line between people that... I hope nobody's offended by this. I certainly don't mean it in an offensive way. Between families who are, like, in that space and they joke like, are we on the autism spectrum? And then the ones who don't know to make the joke.
A family that yes-ands each other13:28
Does that make sense?
Yeah. No. That makes sense. That's... Yeah.
Yeah. It's funny because there's people on, like, on my mom's side and my dad's side who are engineers. Like, there's engineers across the board essentially. And... But it's funny because my mom and my dad are, like, very different personalities in a lot of ways Mhmm.
Which, I don't know, my dad, like, my dad, like, really doesn't care what people think of him much and, like, just kind of does stuff. And my mom is, like, the exact opposite of that. And, like, I don't know if that's...
It's probably how they stayed together so long.
Yeah. Probably. Yeah. I mean, they drive each other insane, but I think that's normal a bit. So...
But... Yeah. I don't know if... I I don't know if it's a person who...
I love hearing you stumble through wondering about this. This is fascinating. I'm over here just thinking that I I actually think of it as my job to make my wife out of her mind.
So... Mean... Yeah. I think my dad does too because he does it on purpose a lot, and he does it to me on purpose a lot. And then they do it to me.
Yeah. It's fun. He...
Yeah. I don't know. Was it Monday night? I, like, came home, and I was really tired. And I was...
They were asking me about my day, and I was describing it. And a thing that I didn't really put together until recently is whenever you talk to them and they start joking together, they keep, like, yes and ing each other and, like, building the joke. But I'm sitting there, and I'm like, I've only gotten to 10AM in my description of my day. And, like, you're joking, and you keep talking and joking and making the joke more complex. And I'm so tired.
Like, please please stop.
Oh, it's nice. My wife sometimes says to me, I'll say... She goes, what are you doing? I go, I'm just teasing you. And she goes, what about my personality says that I want to be teased?
And I went, well, nothing so far, but I'm... I I think we're gonna get to the core of it one day. And she's like, we've been together for over thirty years. I don't wanna be teased. And I was like, I know.
But here we are. So I I don't know if I'm gonna tease you anyway. I think it's the only thing keeping her from falling into whatever abyss her personality is dragging her towards, and I assume she's doing the same for me. Do you know what I mean?
Yeah. I think that's probably true. Yeah. It's important to have people around you who will make fun of you.
In a loving way. Yeah. Yeah.
I don't know. There was... I I was talking to someone... One of the other, like, interns at my job, and I was, like, describing the way my friendship works. And he was, like, concerned because, like, a lot of the time, we just kind of make fun of each other in ways that certain people would maybe describe as brutal.
But I think it's fine. And so it's very funny listening to other people react to the way your real... Your relationships work because, like, I think the way we interact with each other helps all of us stay... Like, keep out of the kind of anxiety pit that all of us, I'm sure, would fall into and do fall into. Yeah.
So Let's talk about this diabetes thing. Before you were diagnosed at 18, did you have any health issues?
Not particularly. I did have... Like, and and this was... So I have issues with anxiety, which is the only thing that that I can kinda be like, oh, this is, like, kind of tracks in, like, a health way. And the way that my anxiety and, like, getting diagnosed with diabetes kind of, like, meshed together was, like, very confusing and, like, just odd.
Anxiety, and where she points it17:31
But I also think helped my anxiety in a lot of weird ways, which probably just means that I'm controlling. And so having a thing that I can, like, direct that energy at is, like, steadying to me, which is probably bad in a different way. But that's fine, I guess.
Yeah. Listen. As long as you're standing up and you're not robbing a bank or throwing yourself off a a roof, I think you're fine. You know what I mean? Just Yeah.
Whatever works works. It's it's absolutely... No one's I mean, listen. I don't even know if I told you to build a perfect person. I don't even think we could all agree on what that would mean.
You know? So, like, if you're getting through and you're... Are you happy?
Yeah.
Yeah. This is the most unconvincing, yeah, anyone's ever given me in my life. You're like, yeah. Didn't... Yeah.
I'm okay. Are you dating?
I was, and then that ended, is probably a good thing.
Tell me what they did.
I just think that... I don't know. I've been, like, talking to people about it a fair... Like, my friends about it a fair amount just because, I think during the relationship, I didn't really talk about what was happening in the relationship, which was a mistake, which I'm not gonna make again. But I think that the more I talk to people about it, I think that a lot of what was happening was that I I'm...
I try to be, like, a very understanding person and, like, very compassionate, and I think I'm good at that. But I also think that that might mean that I'm not necessarily great at enforcing, like, my boundaries.
Can I get an example of a thing where you should have stood up and you didn't?
Yeah. Like I don't know. Like, he had a... And this was a red flag that I should have clocked from the beginning, but, like, first relationships and etcetera. When when we started dating, like, he he kind of said something like, oh, I think, like, in our relationship, like, you can make me better at, like, watching shows and stuff, and I can make you better at exercising, which looking at the time, I guess, I was kinda like, that's, like, a nice thing, I guess, to be like, I care about your health.
But, like, now What you I'm
like What do you really... What what do you... Wait. This is ridiculous. So you were gonna bring to him to help him watch television?
It was a strange thing to say. I don't know.
And and he he found a way to call you fat in that same conversation. Is that what just happened?
He wasn't fat because I'm not.
Oh, I know. But what's he saying? I don't care if you're fat or not. I'm z... I'd be...
He's like, hey. You know, we could get you moving, and I'll sit still more often. Was he, like, mister America or mister Canada? Sorry. He is.
Was he, like, all fit and everything?
He is fit and, like, enjoys exercising and etcetera.
There's no way you enjoy that.
Well, yeah, that's what... I don't know. Because I was also... Like, at some point, we had a conversation where I was like... He asked me something like, oh, like, what's...
Like, were talking about exercise, and I was kinda like, the part that I enjoy about exercise is when it's over. Because, like, exercise as much as you should do it, it also hurts and isn't fun all the time. And he was like, the part that I enjoy about exercise is, like, exercising. And I was like, cool. But he, like, said it, there was something wrong with me for not wanting for, like
Is this a high school boyfriend? Did you know? It's a college... It's a person you met
in college.
I mean, university. It's a person you met there. Yeah. Alright. And listen.
I I know this is strange because I'm, like, 35 older than you. But was he, like, in great physical shape and that's part of what you liked about him?
Well, he was, but I didn't care about that.
Really? How... Well, how do you... I I don't understand. How does an electrical engineer end up with a gym boy?
Well, he's also an electrical engineer, so that would be part of it.
What an ass being good at two different sides of the life. Right?
Yeah. I know.
Yeah. So is he applying his, like, focus that he probably has to apply for engineering? He applies it to the working out too. Is he is he one of those people who thinks that there's rules and if you don't follow the rules that he thinks are right, then you're wrong?
Maybe. Maybe.
How long how long were you with him?
Like, three years.
Oh my god. Would you meet him, like, at the at the freshman mixer?
No. Almost. I think it was, like, a year. Well, we'd met each other, and then I think we started dating in second year, at the end of second year or
something like I gotta learn not to judge things so much because I remember... This is a story that's apropos of nothing. But I remember one of Kelly's roommates in college got her MRS degree at the party the first night she moved in. You know the MRS degree. Right?
I don't, actually. It's a missus degree.
Oh. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. Yeah.
I read
your joke with people. What'd you go to college for? I went to get my MRS. Okay. So now this person still had, like, a a a...
Has had a lovely career and it didn't just, like, go home and sit and, you know, take care of the house. Although, I gotta be honest with you. I wouldn't judge that either one way or the other. I'm just saying it's not what happened. She got her degree, you know, worked in a professional life her whole life.
She's our age now. So... Which is to say she's old. And I just saw her pop up the other day, and I was like, oh, there she is. Still married to that guy, kid, like, you know, an adult and everything.
And how crazy is that you could meet, like, somebody that you'd be married to for thirty years, like, on your first day at college? And at the same time, I'll tell you, it's just a college boyfriend. Who cares?
Yeah.
Do you miss him? No. No. Does he miss you, do you think? Maybe.
He does. Of course, he does. We're boys. As soon as you leave as soon as you leave, we miss you. We're like, ugh, she was so pretty.
What was I doing? I'm so stupid. I shouldn't have said that. Blah blah blah blah blah. It's the same thing.
It'll... He'll be like that till he meets a different girl. We're very easy to distract. So it'll be fun. He'll...
But you don't care, do you?
That he feels that way?
Yeah. That he still might care?
No. Not really at this point.
Good for you. And and is there another boy that we have our eye on? No. Why not?
I don't have time.
Were you just with him because it was, like, he fit into your schedule at some point?
No. No? No. I think the... I...
Wanting different things24:31
Well, I mean, the other thing is that I think that, like, I'm my parents very much don't have the same interests or anything in a lot of ways. And so, like, I was very comfortable being in a relationship where it's like, okay. Like, you kind of go and do your thing, and I go do my thing. And then at the end of the day, we have dinner together and, like, art together. But it...
I think he very much did not want that type of relationship and wanted us to be doing the same thing together fairly consistently.
I'm getting this. I'm getting this. Hold on a second. So you're a little more... I'm gonna use the word cold, but I don't mean cold.
You're a little more, what, surgical? What's the word I'm looking for? We'll figure that out. And he's a little more like... He he felt clingy to you, didn't he?
At least sometimes.
Uh-huh. I get it. Okay. So he just wanted to be squishy and and make you... And stay with you and make a baby and stuff like that.
And you're like, hey. It's cool. You go, like, do a sit up and then come back, and I'll I'll look at your hard belly at the end of the day. And then you can get the hell out of here. Is that how you felt a little bit?
Am I getting That's not how I felt. Alright. Well, how did you feel?
No. I think I'm I'm just very comfortable being like, oh, like, at the end of the day, like, we'll we'll talk about each other's day and, like, laugh laugh together and, like, make dinner together and, like, talk and do the normal life stuff together and relax. And then in the day, we go to our jobs and, like, go do... Like, you go and, like, bike a bunch, and I'll be here in knitting because I like doing that.
Oh, you're like an old lady in training. You just wanted... Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. You wanted your parents' relationship.
I don't know that that's what I want, but, like...
I mean, you're describing it, aren't you?
Like, to certain degrees. I don't know. I feel like there... There's parts of my parents' relationship that I'm like, yeah. Okay.
But there there are other parts where I'm like, I don't know if that's
I gotcha. So were you unwilling to bend to what he was asking for, or was he unwilling to to see the... So I'm trying to figure out if the things you didn't like about him, you voiced to him or if you just let them build up and you resented it. And then he wanted something from you you didn't wanna give and it was... Broke up with him, didn't you?
I... So... Okay. When we broke up, I was like, oh, it was mutual. But now I'm like, wait.
Maybe maybe I broke up with him. Maybe. I don't know. It was... Anyways.
Oh, I gotta stop this diabetes podcasting and do this relationship stuff with younger people. You guys are fascinating. So, like, not only do you live in a a frozen wasteland, I imagine, but also on top of that, you're you're... You live in this era where it's really hard to meet people. Yeah.
And you dip... You you like this kid.
Yeah.
Yeah. You liked him fine because he's not actually your cup of tea. Like, you don't care that he's all, like, Jim Hard and, like... And that he works out all the time. Like, a lot of his personality, you weren't impressed by.
I'm right. Right?
No. I wasn't particularly
Yeah. You don't give yet.
Yeah. I'm like, that's that's good that, like, that's how you feel. But I also... I mean... Yeah.
Like, I don't think that the situation... Because on my side, I guess, I kind of felt like he really wasn't willing to accept, like, who I was and kept trying. And every time I kind of was like, hey. This is who I am. He would very much be like, but, like, what if you weren't that person?
And then I'd, like, try to be that person, and it would not work.
Did he say that, or is that how it felt?
He didn't say that, but that is how it felt.
That's how it felt. So what he wanted, if I'm being... If I'm understanding this, what he wanted was to spend more time with you. And what you wanted was for him to go live his own life and then come back and do the parts of life that you wanted to do with him. You're just not in the same place.
I I hate to oversimplify this. He probably... This kid probably would have graduated and married you, and you're not... You don't want that. That's not what you're looking for.
Yeah. Probably.
Yeah. I mean, it... Yeah. That... That's a
different story. I don't know. Like, I agree with you, but it's also funny because there were time... Like... I mean, really
that noise more while we're recording, please. It's my favorite part of the story.
I will. But, like, really... Because... I don't know. There were times where, like...
I don't know. We had a few... Really... Okay. When I say all of this now, especially to my friends, I am like, oh, we should have broken up, like, way earlier.
But, like, I don't know. There were there were a few times where he said, like... Or there was a specific time where he was kinda like, oh, like, if in, like, the distant future if, like, I would want to be with you when I'm, like, settled, but right now, it feels like we don't want the same life. And I was like, I agree. Yes.
Oh, he was trying to get you to say no. I love you. I'll I'll stay. We'll do it. And you were like, no.
It's okay. You're right. You should go. Yeah. Oh, he probably cried.
Did he cry in front of you? Yeah. Oh, I would have too. I would have cried in front of you. I just want you to know.
I would have been like I would have been like, hey. Like, isn't there a way where we could just kind of fast forward to the part where our wants were the same because I love you so much? And you'd be like, or you could leave. And I'd be like, it's okay. I'll just go.
It's fine. Is that about how it happened? Like Did you cry? Oh my god. You didn't cry, did you?
No. I did.
In front of him or after he left?
No. Like, in front of him and also after he left.
Did you embrace while you were crying?
Yeah.
Oh, jeez. Okay. I'm not... How long ago was this?
Like, eight months ago.
You're gonna think that you better find another guy. Because if you don't find another guy, when that kid goes and finds some girl and he's happy and you get older and think, oh, no. Now I do want that, you're gonna really be pissed.
I don't think I will.
Okay.
Like like... Because I I do understand where you're coming from, but there's also, like, other things in the relationship where, like... I don't know. There were just some things that I...
Can I tell you something? Yeah. Those other things are gonna exist in your next relationship too. Not telling you did the... By the way, I...
I'm not telling you you did the wrong thing. Yeah. No. I'm just telling you, like, this is how this is how all this works. Like, you...
This is a very simple story of your two focuses. We're not lined up on the same timeline. Yeah. But at some point, your... Yours might shift.
And when that happens, I don't want you thinking about him anymore because you're gonna feel regretful then. And there's no real reason to feel regretful. I'm gonna sound cold for a second. There's a lot of people in the world. Do you know what I mean?
Like, I've been married for, like, thirty years. And I'm... And you're not even 30 years old. I was married in '96. When were you born?
O three.
Oh, yeah. Exactly. Okay. So I was married for, like, seven years when you were born. Let me tell you something.
Hope my wife never hears. If I didn't meet her
Good idea to say it on a podcast.
Yeah. If I didn't meet her and I met somebody else and I like that person, I gotta tell you, I'm I'm I'm the kind of guy that doesn't leave you. Like, I'm the kind of guy that hangs around for thirty years and adjusts with you and, like, is happy being happy and all that stuff. Like, I'd probably be married to somebody else for thirty years. I'm happy it's the person I chose and who...
I mean, I I don't know that she chose me back. You know, maybe she got back into a corner. Life is tough, but that's not the point. Like, I'm happy that we're together, and I love how it went, and I think she would tell you the same exact thing. I'm also telling you, it could have worked out with someone else, and she easily could have be...
She could easily be married. Well, not her. Like, she she she... I mean, she'd make somebody crazy and they'd probably kill her. But that's not the point.
Like, I have a real love for her. You know how they say some people love... Like, in a relationship, somebody loves one of the people more than the other person loves back?
Yes.
Yeah. I'm that person in my relationship. I love my wife more than she loves me. It's okay. Then you're comfortable with that, I guess.
Well, what are you gonna do? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And this guy, I don't mean to make you sad, he was comfortable with that with you.
I don't... The thing is I don't know because what you're describing...
It's not the same?
Like, I would have been very comfortable. Like, I am very comfortable with just being some... With someone and being happy. Like, I am comfortable with that. It's just there were other things that, like...
I mean, is there something big you're not telling me?
Yeah. Probably. There's a few there's a few things that I'm like, oh, but that wasn't great.
I mean, I could blur this out, but, like, did he did he want you to do something weird? Or, no? Yes? You're saying
you can blur this out?
Or was it something... Did he want you to do something weird? You don't have to say what it was. It's just a yes or no. No.
Okay. Oh, so he wasn't asking you to do something you were uncomfortable with?
Well, no. He was.
But... And this is beyond the hanging out together part. The kid's a freak. Is that what you're telling me? He's a freak?
No. No. No. He's not. Alright.
He's not. I think it's just...
I don't wanna know. I'm way too old. I don't want you to tell me. I just wanna know if you were comfortable or not, like, in your relationship. Like, were you, like...
Was there something else making you uncomfortable? Because we're only going over the parts we're going over.
Yeah. No. I think I think there were other things that were making me uncomfortable. And I think that there were... Like, I guess, I just think that it very much felt person.
Like, it wasn't just like, oh, like, I like you and I want to do, like, these things with you. It was like, I want you to be like this person, and I'm not a person.
Well, then good riddance. Goodbye, loser.
Yeah.
Yeah. That's enough of you. Hold on a second.
Which is, like... I don't know. If he wants that person, that's fine. But I'm not that person. And it just felt like he also wasn't willing to be like, oh, you're, like, a not that person and are not willing to Yeah.
Okay. Well, there's not enough flexibility on either side, by the way, and whatever. So you did the right thing. So he's gone. But what do you mean there's not enough time?
You're gonna be alone... Were you gonna be alone for three years before you date again?
Did I say that? Oh, no. I don't have... I literally do not have... Yeah.
I... Like... So right now, I'm working a full time job, and I also have one class. And I also am in, like, an engineering club, and I have friends.
These friends
So I don't have time.
These friends using up your time. It's terrible. Well, listen. You do what you do think is right. Okay?
And be as comfortable as you can be. This boy was... Were you dating him when you got diagnosed? You were not. Right?
Okay. How do you how do you, bring up the diabetes when you're dating?
He knew before we started dating.
Is he stalking you? Is it what they call a
creeper? No. We were in the same, like, kind of social circle, so he, like, knew me Okay. Before we started dating.
And he approached you or you approached him initially?
He approached me.
Yeah. Okay. And so, obviously, that wasn't a problem out for him, but was it a problem for you? Was it difficult to explain, to share? Did you feel comfortable?
Yeah. I felt like... Yeah. No. It was...
That part of everything was fine. I think that there are things that come up where it's like, oh, I'm... Like, my blood sugar is low and, like, we're supposed to be on a hike. Like, there's, like, things that come up that it's like, I'm really frustrated, and then you both get frustrated about it because it's a frustrating situation. But, like, generally, things were...
On that side, things were, like, fine.
You didn't feel uncomfortable sharing or having him know things. Okay. Was he was he valuable in a panic situation? Did he know what to do or how to help?
Yeah. I think so, generally.
Okay. Oh, awesome. So the... Kind of a nonissue, the diabetes part. Yeah.
How do you manage? Do have a pump? Or...
Yeah. So I... Yeah. I have... I'm on Omnipod, and then I'm using Android APS.
Nice. Yeah. That's awesome. I actually just got an email. I'm gonna interview the guys who've been working on Trio.
Oh, cool.
Yeah. Yeah. How did you find that so quickly? Oh, well, you're an engineer. That's how you found it so quickly.
Honestly, a lot of it was through the podcast and then also, like, looking through Facebook groups. And then... So I actually didn't... And I have, like, mixed feelings about this kind of, but I actually didn't, set up, Android APS myself. I'm doing it through, like, BC diabetes.
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Oh, sure. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I heard I heard they were help... They were doing that with people.
Yeah. There's a number of institutions, by the way, now that if you go to and just tell them you want a DIY setup, they'll help you with it.
Oh, cool. Yeah. That's in
that's in the America and everything over here too. Nice. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
I'm hearing about that from people. I I always just imagine, like, you're Canada. They must just, like, I don't know, like, strap a seal to you and then just put a line from the seal's pancreas to you or something. I don't know how you guys do anything up there. It's ridiculous.
Are there city... You have... Are your streets paved?
Yes. They are.
Wait. With asphalt?
Yeah.
Wow. It's fascinating. You like this podcast?
You say that like you're surprised.
I am. I love when younger people like the podcast. I
think... Interesting.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's a thing I don't imagine what I'm thinking about, whatever it is I'm thinking about.
Yeah. No. I, I think the part that I appreciate the most, I think, is, like, just listening to, like, people talk. I find people very interesting is basically where I come into that. And, like, I I listen to podcasts generally.
So...
That's awesome. No. I think that any person in their twenties who likes me is gonna have a very successful adult life. Mhmm. I think I'm an indicator of, like, future success.
What do you think of that?
I mean, I think it's a bit narcissistic. But... Yeah. Teeny little bit.
No. No. I I do. I think you're seeing you're seeing... Listen.
I didn't know why you had to use that word right away. I could've said I'm not kidding. You could've said grandiose or something. Yeah. You know?
Trying to make feel like a little, like, more artistic. No. I just... I've I've had a number of conversations this year, actually, with women about your age. And I just...
I've been, like, kinda stunned by how many of you have reached out and been like, I listen to this all the time, and I just wanna be on. So I'm... I think it's awesome. I'm really kinda happy about it. I can't just...
It can't be all those old bags listening all the time. You know what I mean? There's, like, people in their thirties and forties. Oh my god. So old.
They're almost dead. You know? Can imagine being 38? Ugh. Right?
That sounds terrible.
What is 38? Not young, not old? You know? What is it even? At least I'm properly old.
But, you know you know, I I heard somebody say the other day, they said 70 is the new 60, but they were talking to their father who was in his eighties and he said, well, listen. 80 is still 80. Season sucks. It's horrible. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. No. I don't feel that's... I don't feel...
Do I come off old while you're listening? No. You... I don't. Like, so if you...
Go ahead.
Yeah. Like, as someone who is not... My... I should say seventies and then 60 to my dad because he's, like, 74. No.
I don't remember.
Wait. Tell him with a GLP 70 is the new 55. If he wants to get involved with a little peptide and stuff like that.
Yeah. No. You don't particularly, I don't think.
I don't skew old.
No. But, also, I feel like asking me is maybe not the best person to ask because, like, my... Like, as an only child and as someone with, like, older parents, I have spent a fair amount of time with people who are, like, older. So, like, I might not be the person to ask.
Yeah. You're basically 38 now is what you're telling me.
I mean, probably.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So interesting.
I I I love I love hearing about people's lives too. Okay. So you're using Android. You started on Android APS? That was, your first...
No. You started on Omnipod?
Like like, when I got diagnosed?
Yeah. Well, your first pump. Do you live in one of those provinces that lets you have a pump, or did they try to put you on regular an Miles per hour?
No. They didn't do that. I started with MDI for, like, a year. And then and then I went on a pump, I started with Omnipod.
Okay. Alright. And then you made a decision to to look into this because of the podcast?
Yeah.
Yeah. Look at me. Have an influence over people. I... Maybe I'm an influencer.
Crazy. No. It's not fun. Oh, what a fun thing. Okay.
Alright. So the diabetes part, blah blah blah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. It sounds like you're fine with the diabetes. What I wanna know about in your note is your anxiety slash needle phobia.
Mhmm.
Is it day one first needle? You're like, hell no. Get away from me, or did it develop over time?
I think it was always... Like, I don't remember ever not having it. And it's funny because my dad actually... He kind of had... He describes it as, like, a physiological issue, which...
Okay. Sure. And I think that that's probably what it is because I faint. Like, before I get the needle, I will faint.
What you... I mean, you won't now. You were MDI, though?
Well... Okay. So that's the thing where, like... This... Yeah.
So my diagnosis story, honestly, I think it's hilarious. I don't think anyone else thinks it's funny, but I think it's very funny.
It's possible I will. So let's find out.
Well, that's what I... I was like, Scott will probably think this is funny to some degree. But, basically... So... And this is how, like, the anxiety ties in in a weird way.
I... Part of the reason I decided to go to the university I'm going to was because it was not in my, like, home city. And so I knew that that was going to, like, skyrocket my anxiety in, like, an insane way. And I wanted that because I wanted to, like, beat the anxiety, which is not which is not exactly how that works, but, like, kind of how that works because I want to expose myself to it and be like, and I didn't die so I can do this again. But the issue is that the things that happen when I get anxious like that are that I get incredibly nauseous.
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My vision gets, like, kinda blurry. My throat gets really dry. And then, like, I just get, like, shaky and stuff, which are all, like, symptoms of DKA also. So I get to university, and I, like, feel like trash. And so I'm like, okay.
So everything's going exactly according to plan. And I'm, like, not finishing my meals at all. Like, my throat feels dry a fair amount of the time. And, like, I started to, like, not being able to see, like, the... Like, my professor's writing really clearly.
And I was like, well, this professor's writing is trash, though. So that's, like, fine. Normal. I probably just need new prescription for glasses. That happens.
And then, like, things kind of kept happening that were, like, weird. Like, I I started just... Like, the the one that I noticed was that the skin on my hands just started, like, flaking off. Like, it wasn't it wasn't a rash. It didn't hurt.
It just started fully flaking off. And I was like, that's weird. I would have expected my skin to be better now that I'm, like, not in... Like, Alberta is a really dry province, and now I'm not there. So, hypothetically, it should be better.
Yeah. But that was weird. And then Hey.
How smart are you? Are you McGill or something? Where are you... You don't have to tell me, I guess.
I'm not not at McGill.
Okay. Alright. The...
Yeah. But then I, like... So I don't know. There were, like, weird things that were happening, and they, like, kept getting worse. And, like, my throat started getting dry.
Like, my tongue felt like sandpaper and started, like, sticking to the top of my my mouth. And I, like, started talking with a lisp, and I was like, that's weird. But, like, I don't know. At that... I think at that point, I was, like, so sick that I could not think properly.
And so in my head, was like, well, I'm just like
Did part
I'm, like, anxious.
Yeah. Did part of you think, well, this is it. I put myself in this highly stressful situation, and this is what's happening, but I'm not dying. So I'm gonna get through it. Is that how it was feeling?
Yeah. I think so. And I also think that at that point... Because, like, it kind of... At the end of September, I think I started feeling, like, a bit better, and I was able to, like, eat food...
More food and stuff like that. And then it kinda started getting worse, but that was also when, like, midterm started happening. Mhmm.
So I
was like, okay. So I'm, like, getting burnt out because of, like, midterms and stuff like that, which makes sense. And then I think at that point, I was, like like, too sick to be able to have, like, new thoughts, if that makes any sense. Like, in my head, I was like, I'm anxious, and that was, like, the track that my brain was able to work along. So...
Yeah. And then, like, I I don't know. I started, like, dreaming about water, which was a bad sign because of how, like, dehydrated I was, I'm pretty sure. Like, I'd wake up and be like, I was dreaming of the most beautiful waterfall, and it looked so yummy. And so that was bad.
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But then I... There was, like, one day where I went to the cafeteria and I made myself, like, a little yogurt parfait. And then I was kinda like, oh, I like... I think I'm starting to, like, have a panic attack, which, you know, happens sometimes. And then I, like, started start...
Excuse me. I started, like, walking to the cashier, and then I was like, oh, this one's, like, bad. This is not good. And, like like, my... When I have panic attacks, like, things...
Like, my vision just starts going weird, and there's, like, colors and stuff like that. Yeah. And so then I was like, this is not good. And and I think the... I I think I said something distressing, like, I'm having a panic attack or something like that to the cashier because I, like, put the the yogurt parfait down, and the cashier looked concerned.
And then my vision just, like, went away. Like, it was just gone. Wow. And I was like, oh, that's new. Okay.
Fun wrinkle.
Yeah. I was like, okay. Cool. So then I, like, put my arm out and, like, walked towards where I knew there was chairs and then just, like, found one and collapsed into it essentially. And then I was, like, looking up, and my vision started to clear.
And everything still looked weird, but I could, like, see you again. And the cashier looked worried, and another person also looked worried. And they were like, we're gonna call, like, campus security because they have, like, medical training to some degree or whatever.
Yeah. Sure.
Yeah. And then... So they, like, went away. And then this guy... Like, this guy just suddenly came into my view, just above me and was like, hello.
And I was like, hi. And he was, like, sitting next to where I had collapsed essentially. And he was like, are you okay? And I was like, not really. I think I'm, like, having a panic attack.
And he was like, oh, that's not good. And I was like, yeah. And he he was just like, can I, like, help or something? And I was like, can you just, like, talk? And so he was like, oh, yeah.
I'm, an international student. I, like, love it here. It's so nice. There's, like, these different international student communities and, like, just started talking, which was helpful, but also really funny. And then eventually, he was like, okay.
Like, I need to, like, go now. I hope you feel better. And I was like, thank you. So he left, and campus security got there. And I was like, I'm pretty sure...
Like, I had a panic attack. I don't know what happens. It sucks, but it happens. So they were like, okay. Well, like, if you've had this happen before, then, like, I guess, like, we can take you back to, like, your dorm and stuff if you're not doing okay.
Mhmm. So they, like, drove me back to my dorm and, like, carried my bag up to my dorm room for me. And they were just like... The guy was like, you really need to, like, take it easy. Like, it's okay.
Everything will be fine. Like, you don't need to stress yourself out this much. Like, it'll... Just trying to be, like, comforting and stuff. And I was like, thank you.
And then they left. And then I think I had some of the yogurt parfait, and then I threw up, like, immediately. And I was like, that's not great. But I have a lab to go to. So I went to my
Jeez.
At my lab, I was, like, not doing okay, like, visibly. I was, like, not alright. And, like, one of my partners was like, are you okay? And I was like, no. I think I'm, like, having panic attacks and stuff like that.
And he was like, oh, no. And the rest of my group was, like, concerned. And then the TA came over, and he was like, if you want to leave and your group is okay with it, you can go. Like, it's fine. Can go and, like, con...
Like, you don't seem like you're okay right now.
Yeah.
And I'm like, okay. Like, Are you guys okay with that? And they were all just like, yes.
You... We would love it if you left. We...
I was like, please.
Was this... I mean, obviously, this is DKA. Right? Yeah. Yeah.
But did it really mimic your panic attack, or was that the only thing that you could have managed that you could imagine was happening?
Yeah. It did.
It did mimic it. Okay.
Yeah.
Alright.
Like, the the losing my vision part, not so much, but the rest of it was similar.
Very similar. Jeez. How often do they happen?
Not often, which is also, like
But you... Yeah. But you really thought, like, going away to school brought this on.
Yeah.
Okay. Do you... By the way, do you find school taxing for your anxiety after a couple of years? Like, did your plan actually work out? Did your anxiety raise and you over came it, or is that not how it even played out?
Yeah. I think it did actually. Like, I do think it helped. And I think that I am... Like, I'm a lot better at being like this.
Like, I feel terrible right now, but, like, this will pass. Like, I can get through this, which I think is more important, frankly.
Mhmm. Do you ever think of taking, like, an anxiety medication?
Yeah. I've thought about it. But... I don't know. I I kind of have mixed feelings about that too.
I I don't know. How come?
Because... Like, it doesn't happen often enough that I would really be like, oh, I like... Like, I need this, like, constantly. And I also think that I think for certain people, obviously, I think medication is, like, incredibly important. But I also think, like, in my situation, I feel like I really just need to, like, lower the threshold of what can cause anxiety, which you do by exposing yourself to it.
Like, really, I was trying to do exposure therapy on myself, essentially.
Is that a thing that's been studied, or is that a thing you came up with on your own?
That's the thing that, like, that has been studied.
Okay. So you're just gonna just, you know, stand in the cold so you're not cold anymore?
Yeah. Effectively.
K. Alright. That's fine with me. At what point do we figure out that this is not anxiety and you end up in a medical facility?
So... Yeah. So I go to leave my lab, and one of my lab partners was like, do you wanna hug? And I was like, yeah. He hugged me.
So it was nice. And then I went back to my dorm and basically just, like, collapsed onto the floor and was just, like like, just dead tired and was like, I've... I'm exhausted. And at this point, I was still like, this is like like, I'm burnt out from, like, exams and etcetera. Like, there's a lot of stuff going on.
So I was just kind of, like, lying there for, like, the rest of the day. And I think I called in the in the evenings. I would go to, like, shower because it was the only thing that made me, like, warm because I had no body fat left, I think. So I would just kind of, like, lie in the shower in the hot water and, like, be warm. And so, like, that evening, I called a helpline and was like, I'm, like, having...
Like, this is a problem. I think I, like, need more help than this, essentially.
Did you ever think to call your parents?
I did call my parents and, like, tell them about this. But I think with them, I kept being, like like, I'm anxious. And, like, they couldn't see me. Right? Like, if they saw me, I think they would immediately be like, you're going to the hospital now.
Because, like, it wasn't... Because I was also... Like, I was tiny
at that point. Like, I had It's still hard to tell. Like, I'll tell you that when when Arden was in late school and she first started using GLP meds as an example, like Mhmm. We didn't have it, like, like, dosed correctly at first. And she lost, like, weight that she shouldn't have lost, But you couldn't tell.
Like like... Because you'd talk to her on FaceTime or, like, she'd send a picture every once in while. Like, it just never... Like, it just didn't look different. It wasn't until, like, one time she sent a picture.
I got on the phone with her. Was like, hey. You know, you gotta eat more. And she's like she's like, what? I was like, you're thin.
And, like like, more so than you should be. You know? And she's like, yeah. Like, a lot of my clothes don't fit. And it's funny how, like, it...
None of that, like, not it never... I mean, I've been making this podcast a long time. It's funny how many things to an outsider or to an observer would... You'd be like, well, duh. Like, it's obvious, you know, but it's not obvious when it's happening to you for some reason.
You you know? Yeah. So she's, by the way, fine now. Like, we just... We figured out how to dose it better.
But, like, but I can see where... You know, even if your parents could see you, you don't know. Like, you just don't... Like, we we write a lot of reasons in our heads why things are happening. I mean, look at you.
You're wandering around all day at school dying, and you're like, oh, it's probably something else.
Yeah. Yeah. I do I do think they... Because I went home for Thanksgiving, and my dad at some point did, like, poke my hip, and he was like, you're really skinny. But I think, like...
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I don't know. I was kinda like... Yeah. But I was also like... But, like, I'm not eating as much because I'm anxious, which I think is why I was like, well, this, like, isn't great, but, like, there's also an explanation.
And the extent to which I had lost weight was, like, it was way more than just not eating as much. But, like, again, it's, like, it's hard to tell. Right?
Also, cultures move that way a little bit right now too.
Yeah.
Yeah. Like, it's just... I I mean, I don't know, like, what the young people are calling it, but I've heard people say, like, oh, you know, skinny culture is in right now. Yeah. So, like, you know...
So I don't know. But he pokes you in the hip and goes, you look skinny. You were probably like, oh, thank you. Thank you. Appreciate you noticing.
You know, like, it's I...
Yeah. It's funny because I... Yeah. I didn't feel like that. It...
It's interesting the way that my... Like, I think the relationship with my body and the way... Because not eating makes me anxious, like... Or because anxiety makes me not eat, like, I do... I really don't feel like that about being skinny.
Like, I would rather not be skinny.
So so so then when he pokes you, were you like, I am thin. I wonder what's wrong? And then you just go, well, I haven't been eating because I've been anxious.
Yeah. Essentially. Okay.
And I'll just sort of,
like Yeah.
Like like, kind of falls together like that for you. Yeah. Exactly. Okay. Okay.
Sorry. I didn't mean to keep you. So I'm sorry. You call the helpline. There's a...
Canada's fantastic. There's a helpline? What was the helpline?
Well, there's, yeah, there's, like, a... Like, it's just like a mental health, like, helpline, Okay. Yeah. Because I thought that I I didn't think that it was a medical thing still. I thought I was, like, losing my mind.
And so I, like, called them, and I was like... And they were like, k. Well, we can, like, get you set up with a therapist. And then the lady was also like, but, like, since you're, like, not... You're not eating and you've been throwing up and, like, it's probably anxiety, you should probably drink Gatorade because you're probably losing a lot of electrolytes, which is true.
But, also, Gatorade has, like, sugar in it. So I asked one of the people in my dorm if they could get me Gatorade, and she did. And, like, when she I talked to her about it afterwards, and she later said, like, when I saw you, like, I think you're the sickest person I'd ever seen. Like, you looked awful, which I'm not surprised by. Of course, I did.
But, yeah, she, like, got me Gatorade. And so the next day, I was basically, like, just lying on the floor still. And, like, I was
Oh god.
I would not I would not describe it as falling asleep. I was, like, falling in and out of consciousness, like, all day, essentially.
Yeah.
And I would, like, I was, like, lying on the floor, and I would, like, wake up occasionally and be like, I don't remember starting this episode of My Little Pony and then, like, fall back into the abyss. And then eventually, like, at the end the day, I went to, like, shower again. And I was just, like, lying there, and then I got out of the shower. And I was, like, lying on the floor, and I was... And then I realized, like, oh, I'm physically too weak to put lotion on.
And at that point, I was like, help?
Yes. This is And
so I, like, called for help, and the people in my dorm, like, came over and were just like, can you, like, open the door to this, like, shower stall and stuff? And so I did. And they, like, got me, like, blankets and stuff. And then someone called an ambulance and someone called campus security. And I think the paramedics got there and were just like, that's bad.
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And took me to the hospital immediately, and they just... And then once I got to the hospital, like, one of the doctors was like, we believe you have type one diabetes. I was like, what? How close
are you to being someone's story when they were like, oh, when I... Back when I was in college, this girl I knew died? Like, do... Were
you pretty close.
Yeah. Jesus.
Yeah. No. I was really sick. It was it was not great.
Also Yeah. Don't count on children. I mean, you're the sickest person I've ever seen. Here's a Gatorade. Awesome.
I mean,
I need more out of you than that. By the way, not her fault. But my point is is that, like, these these aren't the people to be surrounding yourself with when you really need help because they don't know what the hell they're doing either. They only been there for three months. You know what I mean?
Trying to figure out where they found.
Yeah. I think it's also, like, no one... I think the other part that's tricky is, like, no one, like, knew me. Like, I didn't know I
had one.
Yeah. So, like, it's not like anyone is even comfortable enough to look at me and be like, are you okay? Like, that's just not a conversation I think anyone would've had with me because they didn't know me well
enough. Sense. It all makes sense. So you, the parents come. Right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Ironically, they were supposed to come out, like, the next night or something. Like, they already had their flights booked. So, like, that was convenient. But, yeah, I like... Because when I got to the hospital, the only things they had on me were my phone and my keys because I had been found in the shower, essentially.
Yeah.
So, like, I didn't even have my glasses with me, which was awkward. But I was like, my mom had just been to, like, a, like, a movie or something. And so she was texting me, and she was like, oh, like, the movie was great and stuff. It was super awesome. I I...
We're really excited to see you, like, tomorrow or whatever. And it was midnight when I actually got to the hospital early one morning or something like that. And so, like, I can't see because I don't have my glasses. So I'm, like, in the hospital bed, like, piping. And I'm just like, that's great, mom.
I'm in the hospital right now. They say,
I'm gonna
go to my beanies.
What movie? That's lovely. Yeah. I know. It's...
I wanna say, in fairness to your mom and every parent whose child is away at school, it's so hard to stay connected to your kid. You find yourself, like, texting them, like, the most random things just hoping to, like, sparrow tiny little conversation. I can remember there was a time when I'd be excited if I texted something to my son and he put a heart on it. Like, like, I... I'll tell you the nicest thing Apple's done for parents is that they move the heart to the left of the thumbs up because we all pretend that our kids are hearting things when they're really just picking the first choice that's...
That pops up when they touch something.
Yeah. No. I thought it was I thought it was very lovely too for her to be like, oh, like, had such a good time. I think I was just... Like, especially after the fact, I was like, that's kind of funny.
The... Like, don't know. Just the horror of being like, oh, I've texted you about this movie. And the next day being like, hey. So I'm in the hospital right now.
Glad the movie was good. That's great. I'm in the hospital.
Yeah. Stuff's upside down. Did... So they they come obviously and and check on you. How long are you in the hospital for?
I think I was in the hospital for, like, five days or something like that, but I was also... I was in the ICU for, like, a day. And then I was moved to, like, medical overflow because, like, it co... It was, like, kind of the end of COVID, and so they didn't... They still didn't have, like,
the capacity for Okay.
People and stuff.
Jeez. My god. And then what's the what's the care like in the hospital? Like, is it is it something you're paying attention to, or is it something you kinda put on your parents to figure out?
No. I was paying attention. Because, like, they... The diabetes educator I had, she was actually she actually has type one, and so she was really good about, like, explaining things to me. And I think she was...
A diabetes educator who had it too1:04:48
Like, my parents didn't really hear a lot of her explanations because they weren't there yet.
Okay.
So... Yeah. No. It was very much like, oh, this is, like, on me. On you.
And at that point, honestly, like, the the speed at which I felt better was really insane Because, like, going from, like, oh, I'm dying to suddenly... Like, I remember... I I thought that I was having lows all the time, but... Because I, like, felt, like, kind of lightheaded a bit. Mhmm.
But later, what I realized was happening was, like, I just wasn't in pain anymore. So, like, moving felt so different compared to what it had felt like for, like, like, a month or two.
Yeah. Not dying feels better than dying is what you're saying.
Yeah. Essentially. And it's like, it is crazy how quickly... Like, once you start getting insulin, how quickly you just are better.
Yeah.
Like, it's very strange.
That's pretty awesome. I gotcha. Okay. Do they go right home? Like, I'm I'm...
Like, do they bring you home? Does that cause a gap in in school? Or, like, how do you just, like, get... Come out of the hospital and go back at it? Like, how does that all work?
Yeah. In the hospital, my dad was like, if you wanna, like, take a break from school or whatever, you can. And I was like, no. I I basically just went back, like, kind of immediately once I got out of the hospital. I think I, like, I kind of took a day off to, like, try to sort out, like, things and, like, try to figure out...
Talk to my professors and stuff and figure out, like, assignments and labs I'd missed. But, like, I was basically back
Right back at it. Immediately. And was that a good idea, like, retrospectively?
I think so. Like... Because I think that if I had gone home, I was just... Like, that had never occurred to me. Like, even when I was in the hospital, I had never thought about, like, taking a break from school or anything.
Because I think that I was like, what am I gonna do? Like, be at home and have type one diabetes? Like, that doesn't sound really helpful at all to me. Like, I'm I'm sure for some people, it would be helpful. But for me, I was like, I don't I don't see the point in in doing this.
Like
So... But... So you just applied your actual personality to the whole thing. Just like, I'm just gonna keep going. I'm gonna take care of this.
Like, a little business as usual, that kind of thing.
Yeah. I guess.
Yeah. It's... I mean, it sounds like it to me. Of course, I don't know you, but I am trying to listen. Okay.
So it doesn't really get in the way of school. You meet the boy. You're moving forward. What's it been like being in college with diabetes? Has it impeded you?
Has it been a value in some ways? Like, what... What's your experience been like?
I think the most annoying thing has been... And this is less of a problem now because of, Android APS. But, like, the sleep was an issue because, like, when you're trying to... When you don't have, like... I think that I honeymooned pretty hard for a while, and I also think it primarily affected my basal rate.
Honeymooning, and basal1:08:04
Like, I never my... It it always felt like the... My boluses were not in an exact ratio to, like, what my basal was. Because at some point, like, my basal insulin was, like, 0.25 an hour Okay. Which is, like, nothing.
I think it was even lower at certain points. So... But then, like, my boluses were, like, I could take, like, five units, and that would be sometimes not enough for what I was eating Okay. And stuff. So, like, having that, like, imbalance, if...
Even if I have had pretty close to the correct amount of insulin, like, if you go to sleep and there's still, like, 0.25 in your body that, like, shouldn't necessarily be there, that's, like, all of my basal rate. So, like, I just would get a lot of lows at night because of that, I think.
Yeah. So you weren't sleeping much.
Yeah. Which I think was really the biggest problem. Other than that, like... I don't know. There's definitely been, like, day to day stuff that's been frustrating, but I I feel like, generally, it hasn't it hasn't really made it that much more difficult to be in school.
Hasn't changed, relationships. It hasn't changed the things that you're trying to do, the hours you spend working. It's just, what, all a little more difficult because of having to plan?
Yeah. I think so.
Okay. It's interesting. It's... So because, I mean, you know, kids leave for school every day. Parents worry.
You know, I just interviewed a lady yesterday who told me a, you know, a terrible story about a friend of hers, kid in school. And does it worry you? Like, are you ever worried that somebody's not there to help you if you need help? Have you ever needed help?
There may be some situations where help would have been good, but honestly, like, not not hugely. I also think that, like, my mom has... She can see my blood sugar, and then I have a friend who also can see my blood sugar. So, like, there are people who are aware of it and, like, keeping track of it to some degree.
Are they local to you or able to get help to you if you were to need it?
Yeah. My friend my friend is. And my mom my mom has her alarm set, like, slightly higher than he does, so she'll, like, notice more quickly and be able to, like, reach out more quickly. So, yeah, there's, like, there's people who can help
Okay. Me. So how often would you say your mom contacts you and it says, you okay?
Like, maybe once a week. I mean, I don't know. Like, it... You know, like, it it varies, but, like, once a week maybe.
Okay. Yeah. It sounds it sounds all pretty good. You, when you come home, do you drive home? Do you take a bus?
Do you... Like, how often do you make it back home?
I fly. Recently, I haven't made it back home as much because I've been, like, working for the past year, so the brakes haven't looked exactly the same.
I see. But I... I'm just super excited to hear that Canada has planes. I think that's fantastic. Not me, really.
You guys are coming right along. Uh-huh. Yeah. Yeah. How's the politics out there?
You guys hate us at this point, or are you good?
Yes. It's
complicated. It's kinda complicated. Is it is it worse? Like, are you hearing, like, are you... Is it come...
Like, are you coming for us? I just wanna know
No.
You guys aren't gonna, like, descend on us with your pocket knives and your, like, sled dogs and... Right? Because I can't I can't do... I don't I don't have time to fight. I just don't...
My life is I'm busy. It's just what
I was saying.... Most of us are also busy, so I think you're good on that front.
So no invasion, you're saying? No. Okay. I mean, I can promise you we're not coming up there. Everyone here is just, like, having too good of a time.
There's no way they would leave, to go do this thing. Can you imagine an incursion into Canada? So cold.
Well, we've tried before. It hasn't worked.
Also, you'd hit us with those hockey sticks for sure. And I've seen... Like, I don't wanna get two minutes for slashing. You know what I mean? Just do even watch hockey?
There's no way you even watch sports.
I don't.
I know. The... I I could tell immediately you're not a sports person.
Yeah.
Yeah. That's fine. I'm good with that. But but but I... Alright.
The needle phobia, explained1:12:43
I wanna double back to the needle phobia thing because I have to admit to not understanding completely. You did MDI for a while, but you can pass out from a needle. So you had to square that circle for me.
So I I actually was one of the people who... You did an episode on neophobia with Erica, I think. I was one of the people who sent in right when COVID happened. I was terrified of getting the needles, and my mom took me to a therapist who did EMDR on me, which I think helped. And I also think, like, she gave me some advice, not just the EMDR, but, like, she gave me some advice that's basically if you use music and you also close your eyes, your brain can only focus on so many senses at one time.
So if you're clogging up, like, the hearing thing and you're not seeing things as well, then, like, your brain can't focus on, like, other things as well. Mhmm. So... And then also, one of the things that freaked me out a lot was when... You know when they do the little, like, wipe thing on your arm before they give you the needle?
I... That part, like, scared the hell out of me because I think it was just like, oh, like, I'm under this person's control in some weird way. So what I do is I'm like, I need to be sitting up when you do the little wipe on my arm. And then when you're actually... When that's done, I'll lie down, and then you stab me, and then we're good.
Because I think it's just a way for me to put control over the situation to some degree, which I think helps me.
Was your mom injecting you every time you needed an injection?
No. So that's the other thing is I... Like, for some reason, like, the the needles for EMDR... MDI are just, like... They're so small that it wasn't really that much of a problem, frankly.
I mainly injected into my, like, legs at first because injecting into my stomach scared me. But the first time, like... Because my diabetes educator, she... I told her, like, I'm really scared of needles. And she was like, okay.
Well, let's just, like, sit together and you can just, like like, basically stab yourself with the needle for the first time, like, with me. And I did. And I think I got lucky, I just, like, I didn't hit one of my nerves because I didn't feel it. Mhmm. And I kinda hit it.
And it was like
When you feel it, is it like... Is it this overexaggerated pain that you think to yourself, like, this can't be real, or is it more just panic?
Like, when I get a needle and I'm scared?
Yeah.
Yeah. It's not... Like, again, I don't know why I'm so scared of it, which is part of what's frustrating because I don't think the pain scares me. Like, because I don't think it's that painful. Also, like, after...
I find that, like, after I get the needle, it, like, hurts. Like, your arm hurts, but, like, that part doesn't scare me either. So, like
Yeah. No. I mean, Arden describes it the same way. Like, she's, like, kinda... I...
But but she'll also talk about, like like, a... It feels like a lightning bolt shoots through her when she gets stuck with the needle.
Interesting. Yeah. Yeah. That doesn't happen to me.
Also, the other night, I just shared this another episode, so I feel weird saying it again, but pretty appropriate. She had a little bug bite on her knee, and she had to give herself a GLP injection. And I just scratched the bug bite and, like, aggressively scratched the bug bite when she did the the injection. She said it was the easiest injection she's ever done. Yeah.
Like Yeah.
That makes sense.
Just bringing another, like like, sensory thing into it. You're saying, though, music also helps?
Yeah.
Interesting. So you overload yourself with input such that you kinda can't worry about the needle or that it... I don't understand what's it do for you.
Yeah. I think that's what it is. Like, you're just... Your brain has to focus on a different thing because it's getting a different input. But, like, this is only a...
For some reason, this is only a problem for me when I get, like, vaccines that are, like, going into my arm. Because it's also, like, those are those are going into, like, your muscle versus needle... Insulin injections generally just go into, like, the subcutaneous tissue, which is, like, a very... Like, that's not as invasive. Sure.
So I think it just scares me less for some reason.
But in the end, this is your anxiety, you think?
Yeah.
Yeah. And has has has being exposed to needles made it better or no?
I think so. I I think I also just it's tricky because, like, I'm like, is it me being exposed to needles more, or is it me now understanding, like, my process for how to make it not as scary? Mhmm. Because those kind of happen at the same time.
Yeah. We're getting we're getting through it here. It's like a slow process. It's it's... I think anything with anxiety is is really fascinating.
Like, it's just a thing that doesn't kind of really exist having a physical impact on you. It's it's fascinating. You know? And then to your point, like, there's ways to kinda press through hopefully. And if not, hopefully, you can get help somewhere else and, you know, if it's medicine or if it's therapy or whatever it is.
I mean, because it's no it's no less real to you. Like, I I do not doubt how much pain Arden feels. Yeah. Yeah. Sucks.
Really does.
Yeah. I think that's also kind of the frustrating thing with, like, talking to people about it because it's like people can give you advice of, well, like, it's not it's not real, and you should just, like, sit in it. But it's really hard to take that advice when it's like, hey. But, like, have you actually felt this? Because this feels like actual physical pain, and it feels like you're not really considering that.
Of course. Even even if they are.
Well, they're not because they don't know... And and by the way, everything's like that. However you feel is how you feel. There's there's no way to... You know what I mean?
Like, you know? Yeah. You can't just shut off. If you could just shut it off, then the boy wouldn't have asked to be around you so much and and everything would be fine still. Or you would or you would have, like, you know, something he said to you, you would have been like, well, out of sight, out of mind, I won't think about that again.
It won't be a problem. It's just not how things work. So it's easy to judge other people when you don't live in their situation. And Yeah. This this is one of the things.
Like, it is really difficult if you're not an anxious... Listen. I'm not an anxious person, but I talk to a lot of anxious people. And I have tried really hard to put myself in a position to understand as best I can what they're going through. And I I don't see a way around it.
Like, sometimes the only way around is through is definitely a right thing. And if you can't get through it, then you're gonna need some assistance somewhere. Yeah. Yeah. That sucks.
Have you... Are are there people in your family are anxious? Your mom, your dad?
My dad definitely isn't. I feel like my mom is, but she talks to me like she's not... Like, I don't think that she gets it to the extent that I do. I don't think.
Maybe she just had a more practice hiding it.
Yeah. Maybe. I don't know.
Extended family, aunts, uncles, cousins, nephews, etcetera.
Not that I've heard of.
Yeah. They don't... People don't talk about that stuff. How about other autoimmune issues in your extended family?
Yeah. My dad actually has RA. He got diagnosed two years ago or something like that. Mhmm. And then my grandmother on my mom's side had RA two, and then there's, like...
Autoimmunity in the family1:20:35
There... There's been a few things.
Okay. Anything that they were using medication for, injectables, or anything like that that you know of? Did your dad look into that?
Yeah. My dad my dad's taking some things. Some That sounds like been helping. I can't remember what. But...
Yeah. How old are your parents?
My dad is 74 or something like that. My mom's 64, 63.
Wait. Your dad's 74. Your mom's 64. How old are you?
23.
23. So you're... So your mom had you when she was almost 40.
Yeah.
Your dad was 50. Yeah. And this is their first marriage each? Yeah. Interesting.
Are they both academics?
Not academics, really. Professionals? Yeah. Yeah.
Okay. Do they... Or do they both have your, like... Are you personality wise the same? I'm trying to figure out how somebody gets that late in life, but then gets married and is like, let's have a baby.
Like, that's a... That's pretty old to have that decision be made.
Yeah. I don't know. Like, I think both of my parents wanted kids. They just... Like, both of them traveled, like, a lot when they were younger.
So I think they just didn't have time or, like, they didn't have, like... They just didn't... Weren't meeting the right people who would... They were like, that person I'd have, like, a kid with or something. Mhmm.
So I think I think that's what it was.
When you look at the timing of their life, if I asked you to judge it, do you think it's a good idea or a bad idea?
I think it's good for, like... I mean, I don't know. I feel like it's with anything. Like, it depends what you want to some degree. It...
Because, like, I think that because they both worked so much, like, they they know themselves, like, quite well generally. Like, I think I think that they're both really intelligent and, like, have a lot of life experience, which I think is helpful for, like, me, obviously. But it's also, like, they only got to have one kid, and I... As far as I know, they wanted more. So I don't know.
I I feel like it depends on what you want.
Yeah. They ran out of time kinda quickly because they started late. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm I'm asking because, like, earlier when I said, do you have...
Are you thinking of dating again? And you were like, well, there's no time for that right now. So, like, are you gonna... Do you think you'll be one of those people who, like, looks up and goes, I'm ready to date again. You're gonna be 32, or do you think that you're gonna find a way to, like, make the whole thing work at the same time?
Because it's it's... I don't know if it's either or, but you're gonna have to make a concession on one side or the other.
I feel like I'm less likely to do that mainly because I think that... And maybe they felt like this too, and I just haven't asked them. But I think that I very much feel like I want roots. Like, I want a base, and I want people and, like, consistency and stuff like that. And, like, I I don't necessarily feel like I really desperately wanna, like, travel a whole bunch and, like, be working in a bunch of different places.
And maybe I will end up doing that, but I just don't feel that way. So I don't know. It feels more likely that I'd, like, find someone and settle more quickly. But, like
Okay. Yeah. I'm excited. Are you gonna live in the Canada forever, or are you thinking of spreading your wings? Are you gonna get out of Alberta once you graduate?
Do you think you'll stay where you are now?
I'd like to stay where I am now, but we'll see how jobs work out.
Gotcha. Is it hard to be away from your parents?
I don't know. We we call, like, every week, so I think it it hasn't been terrible. And, I feel like I'm so busy that I don't have time to be, like...
Yeah. Do you think they
do
you think they miss you?
Yeah.
How can you tell?
Well, because they tell me. So is that.
Are they trying to make you feel guilty or are they just sharing?
I don't think they wanna make me feel guilty. My dad jokes about wanting to make me feel guilty, but I don't think they want to.
Think they want you home, like, desperately?
Maybe. Well, desperately. They
do. It's
okay. Probably.
Yeah. You're supposed to be doing what you're doing, but, like, it's hard to be it's hard to be on the other side of it. And I would imagine that when you're older, it's harder yet. Yeah. Yeah.
Because, like, if my kids go away and build a family right now, they build a family through my mid fifties and my early sixties. If you Yeah. If you go do that now, you're building your family through your father's late seventies.
Yeah.
Yeah. It's it's probably things just feel more urgent maybe to them. Although your mom's younger. How did he do that? Pull a young lady back then?
They meant later. Like, yeah, they they meant later. So I think they were just... Like, even though she's ten years younger, I think they were at a similar place, like, mentally and, like, emotionally and stuff is my understanding.
Yeah. Oh, I'm so interested to see what's gonna happen to you. I would like to keep this podcast going for ten more years. I'd like to see... I wanna see who you end up with.
Yeah. I'm trying to figure out if you're your dad or your mom. I think you're your dad.
I've been wondering that too. I... Maybe. But I also have a lot of my mom's, like, anxious tendency, like, of, like, thinking of other people a lot. So I don't know.
Yeah. That's the lady stuff. I don't mean to be dismissive, but, like, that stuff sticks to you ladies, like, in, like, lines as far as I can tell. I've only been alive for fifty five years. But so far, everything I've seen indicates that, like, that kind of stuff can travel through through through women.
I I... And and also you're gonna hit a a moment where you wanna have a baby. Wait till you see that. Wait till that hits you. Oh, horrifying.
Jeez. Sometimes Arden's really nice to the dog and I'm like, oh, she's gonna be somebody's mom one day. Like, you can see just by how much she loves her dog. It's interesting. But she's not not...
She doesn't want a kid right now. Just... And and if you would have found her two years ago, she would have been less abusive with the dog. And it's... I don't know.
It's just... I don't know what happens. I didn't make the rules. You understand? I didn't build you all and, like, it's not up to me.
I'm just telling you what I say. So... And this probably sounds horrible because you're young. You probably are like, no. I'm in charge of my thoughts, and whatever I do will be what I wanna do.
I don't know. I I feel like... I've always kinda felt like life is more complicated than... Well, I just think that... Because, also, I feel like when you think something, you don't...
There's, like, so much behind that already that you're not necessarily consciously aware of. So, like...
I like you a lot. I could adopt you. Tell your parents I... I'm not willing to pay for anything, but if you need a place, I'd be willing to put you up for a little bit. Noted.
Yeah. No. Seriously. Not not... Don't don't, like, try to stay too long.
You know what I'm saying? Because I'd I'd like to I'd like to retire at some point too. But you you feel like a great vibe. I I wonder if people have ever told you that.
Yes.
Yeah? Maybe.
I don't know.
Like, good friends?
Yes. I don't know. I think I'm I'm discovering more like... This is ridiculous, but I'm discovering more like, oh, like, people like spending time with me, which is a ridiculous thing to be, like, real life.
You didn't know that previously?
I guess I just didn't internalize it in the way I am now.
Okay. What made you realize?
Well, the breakup helped, I think. And then, also, I think there's, like, two new friends that I've made and have been, like... And I think they're just more... I think it's partially that I'm a lot more communicative. And so, like, I'll just, like, say things and they'll...
And the way that they'll respond, I'll be like, oh, you like you like me. Cool. Which I I think that's probably a lot of it where I just like... I... I'm more likely to say things and they will respond in a reasonable way, but that will kind of surprise me.
Super... That's really interesting. I... How are you finding people? Like, when you say you've made a new friend, like, where do you make friends at?
Well, the the guy I've kind of known for a while through, like, different things, but we work together now. Then we started hanging out more in the in the summer. And then his partner is... I've become friends with and they're... I don't know.
It... Basically, through that.
You have to help me. I'm very old. You... When you people use the word partner, you confuse me. So, like, I...
You have to understand that when you say partner, what I think you're saying is he's gay. But He's not. But he's not. You just mean his girlfriend, but you guys don't say girlfriend anymore.
No. So they're nonbinary.
Oh, I see. Or that. I wasn't sure. I was trying to get to it. I would...
I wasn't... Like, I can never tell what the hell is going on anymore, I guess, is my point. And so Yeah. Yeah. I just...
Like, even, like, in in people who would not describe themselves as nonbinary, like, everyone says partner now. And I'm like, hey. We're trying to have a conversation here. I need a clue about what you're talking about. Like, help me out a little bit.
But I... Yeah. I don't... I guess that's just... Am I just old?
You can tell me. It's fine.
No. I think that's fair because I sometimes get... Like, when in this situation, I, like, already knew that they were nonbinary. So I was like, oh, they're partner. Right.
Because they're not binary. But they're definitely... When I hear that word, I'm like, I don't know what you mean.
So you said partner to kind of, like, to to protect or culture to represent their situation to me. Yeah. I got it. Okay. Oh, oh, that makes better sense to me.
Oh, well, thank you. I appreciate that. This is good. You should get your own podcast. Not about diabetes.
Pick a different topic. I don't need other people. Just saw somebody the other day. It's like, I'm making more pie. I'm like, alright.
Just everybody calm down. Calm down. I already got this covered. You know what I mean? We don't need everybody making a podcast.
Let's not ruin let's not ruin a good thing. Nobody's heard too many cooks. Right? Ruins the stew? You know the saying.
Okay. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Alright.
I got it covered. Right? Do they really need others? What kind of podcast do you listen to besides this one?
There's one called... I listen to a lot of history podcasts, actually.
Nice.
All of them are there... There's one called Behind the Bastards, which is about horrible people. And there's another one called Betwixt the Sheets, which is... The host is, a a sex historian, essentially, but she just interviews very. I don't know.
I think a lot of the podcasts I'm interested in are just, like, they interview random people and the subject is random, essentially. But there's, like, a consistent theme somewhat.
Mhmm. I'm comfortable with the way I'm doing it now at this point. Like, I I I really listened to my son a few years ago when he's like, I don't understand. Like, he's like, you're just gonna make a diabetes podcast forever. And I was like, I don't really think it's about diabetes.
No. I I don't think it is. Like, it is, but it's not.
Yeah. Yeah. That's how I feel about it. I'm like, it is, but it's not. And Yeah.
And and then sometimes I'll hear people are like, well, you didn't talk about their diabetes enough. I'm like, how much do you wanna talk about it exactly? Like, you know what I mean? Like, how much of this hours... Because I see people do that.
Like, sit down and, like, interview somebody, like, specifically about their diabetes and they take it, like, they're super, like, like, stiff spined about it. And, like, they act almost like... I don't wanna be harsh to people. But, like, it it feels to me like individuals pretending that they're doing what they think a company would do if a company was making a podcast about diabetes. I don't know if that makes sense or not.
You... My team...
No. That makes sense.
Yeah. Yeah. So they're they're doing their best impression of what a professional person would do in this situation. And I... Every time I see that, I'm like, that's horribly boring.
There's no way anyone's listening to that. Yeah. But but at the same time, like... Mean, honestly, like, how many minutes in a road do you wanna talk about diabetes? And, like...
And how many different ways do you think you can ask the same question before people just, like like, start saying the same things over and over again? Like, you wanna hear about the people, not about the... I'm basically giving away the road map here. But, like, you're you're doing it wrong. Like, nobody wants to see a news, like, snippet about diabetes.
Nobody... Nobody's watching your fifty five minute video about, like, your impressions about a CGM. Trust me. They're, like, they're clicking on it and they're going, and they're skipping to the end to see if you liked it or not. And that's how that works.
Nobody wants, like, a news segment about type one. Like, it's just mix it in. Like, do a thing and then just kinda stuff it in there a little bit. Like, you know you know when these these sneaky parents a couple of years ago started blending up vegetables and putting it in, like, chicken and stuff like that? That's what I do, basically.
You you know what I mean? Yeah. I take a little bit of diabetes. I throw it in the blender, and I stuff it in with, you know, your story about the boy and your life and what you're trying to figure out. I don't know.
I can't explain the world to everybody. I'm I'm busy. Okay? Alright. Alright.
What do you need from me? Anything else? What are we talking about here? Anything I missed? Anything I screwed up?
Anything you wanna get right?
I don't think so. I actually have to go.
What are you? Busy? You got a life?
Yeah.
Alright. Well, tell the sled dogs I said, And I'm super thrilled to hear about the paved streets. And I was I was absolutely heartened to hear about the airplanes. I think you guys are really onto something up there, and, I love it. So hold on one second for me.
I will just button up some private stuff and then let you get on your way. Thank you. I... By the way, sincerely, you were super open and thoughtful and introspective. I really appreciated this even if I feel like I'm rushing here at the end, which I apologize for.
Thank you.
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