PODCAST JUICEBOX
Listen on Apple Podcasts
Juicebox Podcast
Press Esc to close  ·  Cmd K to toggle juiceboxpodcast.com
0:00 --:--
MP3
The labelSugar waterThe colorWhen you eat itBuild the bolusMDI and Afrezza
0:00
Bolus 4 · Episode 1682

Ice Cream

One pint of Ben & Jerry's Chocolate Chip Cookie Dough, read off the label: 43 carbs in a two-thirds-cup serving, 34 of them sugar, 28 of those added, 20 grams of fat — and three servings in the tub. Scott reads the ingredients, Jenny explains what's coloring it, and the two of them talk through when you eat ice cream and what that does to the bolus.

Scott Benner and Jenny Smith, RD, CDCES, LD
Open the Bolus 4 estimator
Carb ratio—
Sensitivity—
Target—
Fat + protein50%

No ratio and no dose on this one. Nothing was run through the estimator on the recording — Scott's line is “You figure out your insulin to carb ratio. Get that all going too.” So there are no unit figures on this page; the label numbers are the episode's numbers, and the bolus section is the strategy the two of them talked through. Run the serving through the estimator at your own settings. 9:45

01 · Bolus 4 · Episode 1682

One pint, taken apart

Scott reads the label and then the ingredient list, top to bottom. Jenny's reminder: it's not just the carbs — look at the sugars.

3:46
1Creamingredient number one
2Skim milknumber two
3Cookie doughwheat flour, sugar, brown sugar
4Liquid sugar“sugar water” — number three
5Waternumber four
6Turmeric + annattothe color — no yellow, blue or red dye
Off one label · every piece is something Scott or Jenny read or said  ·  Click any piece to hear that moment
⅔ cup
is the serving — three servings in the pint

Jenny remembers the label at half a cup. It's two-thirds now. Scott's question is whether any self-respecting person eating ice cream stops at two-thirds of a cup.

One serving, off the label4:14
43g carbs
Scott reads it after the sugar — “and the carbs are 43.”
34g sugar
28 of them added. Not the natural sugar in the cream and the milk — sugar somebody put in.
20g fat
Jenny's guess was 22. “That's not bad.”
100mg sodium
Scott: “wow, there's 100 milligrams of sodium in it.”
Jenny guesses the fat4:44
Two-thirds of a cup. How many grams of fat?
20
Jenny said 22. It's 20 — close enough that Scott moves straight on to what the whole tub holds.
If you eat the whole pint4:47

Scott's tally, three servings deep, as he read it.

  1. 60 grams of fatThree servings of 20.
  2. 300 milligrams of sodiumAnd 240 milligrams of cholesterol, in Scott's read of the tub.
  3. “130-some” carbsThree servings of 43 is 129. About 100 grams of it sugar.
  4. “About 100 total sugars, including added sugars of 28 grams”That's how Scott read the tub. The 28 is the per-serving added-sugar figure — one serving is 56% of a 2,000-calorie day's added sugar, per the label's daily value.
Takeaway5:58

Cream, skim milk, liquid sugar, water.

Ingredients are listed by volume. The first four in this pint are cream, skim milk, liquid sugar — “sugar water” — and water. Jenny: that should tell you 100% of the hit this is going to have. Scott: you're going to get smacked by this one. Of the first seven ingredients, three are sugar — liquid sugar, sugar and brown sugar.

The rest of the list6:40

As Scott read it, after the first seven.

  1. Egg yolks, butter, soybean oil, eggs, coconut oilButter, Scott notes, is cream and salt. Expeller-pressed soybean oil.
  2. Chocolate liquor, cocoa, molasses“That sounds like sugar.” Then guar gum, salt, vanilla extract, natural flavor.
  3. Invert sugar“There's more sugar.” Then milk fat, tapioca flour, soy lecithin, other extracts.
  4. Turmeric extract and annattoThe color. Jenny: turmeric is a root, annatto is what makes cheddar yellow. Plant-based coloring instead of yellow, blue and red dye — Scott: Jenny's looking for the high side of this.
02 · Bolus 4 · Episode 1682

Evaluate yourself: when do you eat ice cream?

The carbs are known. The sugar hits fast and the fat slows it. What changes the bolus is what's already in your stomach.

8:23
Takeaway8:51

It's almost à la mode in your belly.

Scott's picture: ice cream gets eaten at the end of the day, after dinner, at bedtime. So it lands on top of a meal you've hopefully already bolused well for — a fast spike from the sugar and a slowdown from the fat dropped right onto whatever's still digesting.

Jenny's two environments9:15
After a meal
the end-of-dinner bowl
There's likely already a bolus strategy working in there. This is added on top of it.
Three hours out
the afternoon at the pool
Lunch was hours ago, everybody wants ice cream. Now the bolus is covering the ice cream and nothing else — and maybe some running around helps.

Scott's version of the first one: it's 8:30 at night, you're already standing in front of the freezer thinking you shouldn't, and you're going to. That's the one where you may need to be more aggressive.

More scoops, more fat10:16

Why the hit keeps building.

  1. Two-thirds of a cup should be enoughJenny: a half cup was the serving when she was growing up. Two-thirds now, and plenty of people have more than that.
  2. The effect buildsEvery extra scoop is more fat, so the tail gets longer the more you take.
  3. Scott's sorbet trickHe eats straight from the container — a scoop, maybe another, done. Scooping into a dish, he'd fill the dish. Works for him; he allows it might lead some people to eat the whole thing.
03 · Bolus 4 · Episode 1682

Build the bolus shape

No ratio was named and nothing went through the estimator. This is the shape Jenny would try, and what she'd reach for on MDI.

11:39
Takeaway11:39

A good pre-bolus for the sugar. Something behind it for the fat.

Jenny: for the most part this needs a good pre-bolus because of the sugar content — but it definitely needs something to cover the back end. A little experimentation comes in here.

Three ways to cover the back end11:45

Jenny's options for a single serving with 20 grams of fat.

  1. Extend it50, 60, 70% up front with a good pre-bolus time, the rest extended over two or three hours. With 20 grams of fat in one serving, that may be enough.
  2. Cover it all up front, then a temp basalIf you pre-bolus and cover it completely but never quite come back to target — or drift up again two or three hours later — a temporary basal increase can catch the tail, if your pump does that.
  3. Let the algorithm have it20 grams isn't low fat, but on a single serving a more aggressive algorithm might take care of the back end on its own.
Look at the CGM, tweak for next time12:54

Scott: there's no shortcut here.

  1. One hour, two hours, three hoursLook at how it went at each, figure out what happened, and tweak it for the next pint.
  2. Regular insulin on MDIJenny calls R an underused insulin for exactly this: cover the quick hit with rapid-acting, and instead of nibble after nibble of extra rapid two hours later, a small amount of R accumulates slowly and can carry the back end for a couple of hours.
  3. Afrezza for the rise you can't shakeScott's thought, fresh from an interview about Afrezza being available for younger people: a toolbox thing — if a fat rise is stuck for two hours, drop it. Jenny: underutilized, some of it age-specific or off label, but yes, you could control the quick hit or the back end with it.
Take a picture of this one

Things to remember from this one

The numbers that transfer to the next one.

⅔ cupserving
on today's label — a half cup when Jenny was growing up. Three servings in a pint.
34gsugar
in one serving, 28 of it added. That's 56% of the added sugar on a 2,000-calorie day.
#3liquid sugar
Ingredients go by volume. Cream, skim milk, sugar water, water — that's the hit.
2–3 hextended
Jenny's starting shape: 50–70% up front with a pre-bolus, the rest over two or three hours.

“This should tell you 100% of the hit that this is going to have, right?”

Jenny Smith5:58

“You're gonna get smacked by this one.”

Scott Benner6:03

“It's almost a la mode in your belly.”

Scott Benner8:51

“I think this needs, for the most part, a good pre-bolus because of the sugar content, but it definitely needs something to cover the behind, right?”

Jenny Smith11:39
The tool

Bolus 4 Estimator

Every number on this page, with your own settings.

Open it →
The method

Meal Bolt

The tutorial the whole series is built on.

Read it →
The collection

Every Bolus 4 page

Tap the cart and pick a food. One page per episode, with Scott and Jenny.

Open the cart →
Everything on this page is a simulation for education, not medical advice. Nothing here should change your insulin dosing without your care team.
Read the full disclaimer
0