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Bolus 4 · Episode 1708

Sonic Tater Tots

Scott asked online which restaurant foods give people the most trouble, and somebody said Sonic tater tots — very specific. Neither of them has ever been to a Sonic. A medium order off the website: 43 carbs, 19 grams of fat, 890 milligrams of “lightly seasoned.” Then what happens when you add the chicken.

Scott Benner and Jenny Smith, RD, CDCES, LD
Open the Bolus 4 estimator
Carb ratio1:10
Sensitivity50
Target80
Fat + protein100%

Scott's numbers: blood sugar stable at 120, one unit covers 10, one unit moves you 50, and he'd love to see it come down to 80. The fat-protein calculator he used on the recording gave 18 grams of carb equivalent — 1.8 units at 1:10 — which is one unit per fat-protein unit, a 100% factor. The page runs at 100% to match. 6:40

01 · Bolus 4 · Episode 1708

A medium order of tots

Off Sonic's website, read live. Small, medium or large, and nothing says how many tots are in any of them. Jenny picks the middle.

1:30

Tater tots — medium

43carb3protein19fat
5.10u up front1.83u over 3h6.93u total
Jenny guessed 45 or 50 for a medium. It's 43 — “You're a savant.” 4 grams of fiber, 3.5 of the fat saturated, 890 milligrams of sodium, 170 calories from fat.
Sonic's website · blood sugar 120, target 80 · 1:10 · sensitivity 50  ·  Click any item to hear that moment
Where this came from1:30

“What restaurant foods give you the most trouble when you're trying to bolus?”

Scott's post. Some answers were vague — Chinese food, pancakes, pizza. Some were very specific: chow mein, honey garlic chicken, Panera, McDonald's, Taco Bell, Panda Express, boba (neither of them gets boba), Culver's cheese curds (Jenny is from Wisconsin; Scott had to look it up). And tater tots from Sonic.

Jenny guesses the carbs4:57
A medium order of Sonic tots. How many carbs?
43
Jenny: 45 or 50. Scott: “43. You're a savant.” Protein 3, fiber 4.
The size you pick is the fat you get5:54
13g fat · small
Jenny's instinct was that the tots weren't terribly high in fat. For a small, that holds.
19g fat · medium
The order on this page.
31g fat · large
Twelve more grams than the medium. Jenny: “Oh.”
890mg sodium
In the medium. The website calls it “lightly seasoned with salt.” Jenny: almost half of what you should have in an entire day.
02 · Bolus 4 · Episode 1708

Bolus for the tots

Roll up on a Sonic, just the tots, blood sugar nice and stable at 120. Measure the meal, evaluate yourself, add the base units, layer a correction — and then the fat.

6:40
Scott's math on the recording6:40

“Let's make it easy for us.”

  1. 43 carbs at 1:10 = 4.3 unitsThe base units.
  2. “About a unit” for the 120He'd love to see it come down to 80 at a sensitivity of 50. The exact figure is (120 − 80) ÷ 50 = 0.8; Scott rounded up and called the up-front 5.3.
  3. 18 grams of carb equivalent from the fatFrom the fat-protein calculator on his website, which he says is not medical advice. At 1:10, an extra 1.8 units.
  4. Extended over four hoursThat's what his calculator recommended. The Bolus 4 estimator's bracket for 1.83 fat-protein units is three.
Offset the timing7:47

You're either bolusing while you drive or in the parking lot.

Scott: this isn't at your house, and nobody is twenty minutes out saying “I'm definitely getting tater tots, I'm going to bolus now.” Jenny's way: bolus for something of it on the way — a five or ten gram bolus to start tipping insulin in the right direction — then look at the trend once you're in line, and bolus for the rest once it's in your hand.

Why a fried food still hits fast10:04

Jenny's read on the tots.

  1. They're processed potatoesBroken down, smashed up, precooked before they get fried. The glycemic impact is a heavier, quicker hit.
  2. The fat comes laterPeople expect a fried food to be slow. The slow part is coming — it just isn't the part you see first.
  3. The fat isn't excessive in this portionSo the carbs land before the lingering effect does. A significant pre-bolus is the way ahead of them.
Medium tots · 1:10 · sensitivity 50 · blood sugar 120 → 8011:11
43carb3protein19fat
Up front
5.10u
4.3 carbs + 0.8 correction (Scott: “about a unit”)
Then, over 3 hours
1.83u
1.8 fat-protein units
Theoretical requirement
6.93u
26% of it is not carbs

On the tape: 5.3 up front (4.3 plus a rounded unit of correction) and 1.8 extended over four hours. The estimator's math on the same numbers: 5.10 up front, 1.83 over three hours, 6.93 total. The difference up front is Scott rounding 0.8 to one; the hours are his calculator's bracket versus the estimator's.

+40%
more insulin once the fat is counted

Scott: two more units on a 4.3-unit carb bolus. Not understanding that piece is where “I don't know what happened, I just had tater tots” comes from — you float up, the automated system believes the bolus you entered and pulls basal, and it won't come down.

Evaluate yourself: what happens after12:01

Fast food usually means sitting still.

Jenny: a road trip, a quick stop, back in the car for another hour or two. The travel-team kids she works with — play, stop, eat, another hour home in the car. You may control the first rise well with the carb bolus alone and then never see the curve come back down, or watch it nudge up more than you expected.

03 · Bolus 4 · Episode 1708

Now add the chicken

Scott reads down the rest of the menu. Protein wasn't read for any of these, so the fat-protein figures below count the fat only — the real extended amounts are higher.

13:53

Crispy tenders — 5 piece

27carb20fat
2.70u up front1.80u over 3h4.50u total
Adding them to the tots: 27 more carbs and 20 more grams of fat.

Crispy chicken sandwich

10g of that is sugar
52carb24fat
5.20u up front2.16u over 4h7.36u total
And another 1,500 milligrams of sodium. “You're gonna definitely think, chicken — awesome, chicken's good for you.”

Sonic cheeseburger

8g of that is sugar
48carb35fat
4.80u up front3.15u over 5h7.95u total
The plain one.

Double Sonic Smasher

8g of that is sugar
30carb37fat
3.00u up front3.33u over 5h6.33u total
As read: carbs 30, fat 37, 1,500 sodium. It has pickles on it, which Jenny approves of.
Sonic's website · each item on its own at 1:10, no correction · fat only, protein wasn't read  ·  Click any item to hear that moment
70 carbs
and 39 grams of fat — medium tots plus five tenders

Scott, counting it out: “forty, fifty, sixty, seventy carbs.” That's a significant bolus. “Once that meal gets ahead of you, it's gonna stay ahead of you.” People think of the chicken as free — they don't think about the breading or the fat.

Takeaway15:36

Teaching carbs only sets you up to be frustrated.

Jenny: this is the best example of why teaching about only carbohydrates is false information. You read the label, you know your ratio, you did it right — why is this happening? Unless somebody steps in and says this meal had 50 grams of fat and shows you how to handle it, you're forever going to be frustrated by only counting carbohydrates.

The things nobody counts16:17

Not picking on Sonic — everybody has these.

  1. Dipping saucesSignature, ranch, honey mustard, buffalo, barbecue. Scott finds people don't think about them at all.
  2. KetchupA tablespoon or two — or a quarter cup, Jenny says. Honestly. It's full of sugar.
  3. The fries are the delivery systemJenny: for some people the fries are just a loading place for the ketchup. Scott's version: the baked potato is a way to eat butter.
04 · Bolus 4 · Episode 1708

And the breakfast coffee

Sonic's original cold brew iced coffee comes in four sizes: small, medium, large, and something called the RT 44.

18:29
Original cold brew iced coffee18:43
82g carbs · RT 44
58 grams of it sugar. 460 milligrams of sodium. Jenny wonders if the 44 is ounces, like a gigantic 7-Eleven slushie.
58g sugar
“Oh my god.”
28g carbs · small
20 of them sugar. And fat — Jenny's guess is half-and-half.
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Jenny: drinks from the national brands aren't a way to take in calories, because they don't register with your brain. It's listed as the breakfast coffee. “Maybe it's got some good protein or something in it.”
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Things to remember from this one

The numbers that transfer to the next one.

18gcarb equivalent
from the fat in a medium order of tots — 1.8 more units at 1:10
+40%insulin
roughly what the fat adds on top of the carb bolus for the tots
5–10gon the way
Jenny's small bolus while driving to start tipping the insulin, then the rest in hand
70 / 39carb / fat
medium tots plus five tenders. Chicken isn't free.

“Once that meal gets ahead of you, it's gonna stay ahead of you.”

Scott Benner15:32

“You're forever going to be frustrated by only counting carbohydrates.”

Jenny Smith16:11

“The fries are the delivery system for the ketchup?”

Scott Benner17:00

“They're precooked before they get fried. So their glycemic impact is absolutely going to be a heavier, quicker hit.”

Jenny Smith10:20
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