#1777 Scratch That Itch
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Christine, a 73-year-old living with Type 1 for 67 years, reflects on the evolution of diabetes tech and the resilience required to thrive through nearly seven decades of management.
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Scott Benner (0:00) Friends, we're all back together for the next episode of the Juice Box podcast. (0:03) Welcome.
Christine (0:14) Hi. (0:15) My name is Christine. (0:16) I'm 73 years old, and I've had type one diabetes for sixty seven years. (0:23) And, you can call me Chris.
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Christine (3:28) Hi. (3:28) My name is Christine. (3:30) I'm 73 years old, and I've had type one diabetes for sixty seven years. (3:36) And, you can call me Chris.
Speaker 3 (3:38) Chris, you were diagnosed when you were six years old?
Christine (3:41) Yes.
Speaker 3 (3:41) Wait. (3:42) Sixty seven years ago?
Christine (3:45) Yes.
Speaker 3 (3:46) Alright. (3:47) So if it was 2000 right now, that would mean you were diagnosed in '33, but it's not. (3:53) It's '25. (3:54) So I take '33 and I add '25 to it. (3:57) Now I get 35 is '8, and then 32 is but were you in '58?
Christine (4:02) Yes.
Speaker 3 (4:02) Look at me.
Christine (4:03) Ex exactly.
Speaker 3 (4:04) Thank you. (4:05) Thank you. (4:06) That's what you get when you don't pay attention to math class. (4:08) You get some roundabout way of thinking about numbers.
Christine (4:11) Math was always my worst subject too. (4:14) So Well, I just figured that out.
Speaker 3 (4:16) I just proved myself pretty capable.
Christine (4:18) I think so.
Speaker 3 (4:19) 1958, you were six years old. (4:22) My goodness. (4:23) Your parents tell stories of it. (4:24) How do you know of that time? (4:26) Any remembrances?
Christine (4:27) I remember a few things about it. (4:30) You know, I've talked to my brother and sister about it and my mom when she was still alive. (4:36) And from what I remember, I probably was in first grade. (4:41) I would sit down and my mom would say I could eat, like, a whole package of graham crackers and drink milk and drink milk, and and I was losing weight.
Speaker 3 (4:53) Okay.
Christine (4:53) So that concerned her greatly. (4:56) So then, of course, we went to the doctor. (4:59) I really had a wonderful pediatrician back then. (5:02) He, at the time, was probably close to retirement.
Speaker 3 (5:07) Mhmm.
Christine (5:07) Back in those days, as you've heard a lot of people say, you know, you weren't expected to live past your 20 or or thirties.
Speaker 3 (5:16) Yeah.
Christine (5:16) And I think everything based those first maybe twenty years of my care was based on that kind of thinking. (5:25) As far as my mom and dad, my mom I think she planned on being a stay at home mother, and then my dad was a truck driver. (5:35) There were the three of Us kids, and then my dad, somewhere in the late fifties before I was diagnosed, came down with polio.
Speaker 3 (5:45) Jesus.
Christine (5:46) And polio was, like, rampant back then, but it was mostly kids, although I know adults did get it.
Speaker 3 (5:54) Yeah.
Christine (5:55) And so he was paralyzed from his waist down. (6:01) He couldn't, like, sit up by himself, couldn't really get dressed by himself. (6:06) He did have control of his, like, bladder and bowels. (6:10) We learned how to take care of him at home. (6:13) There weren't a lot of social services back then.
Christine (6:16) Yeah. (6:16) And I would say for the first, you know, decade of my life, we were pretty poor. (6:21) My dad was 24 when that happened, so he was really young.
Speaker 3 (6:25) 24 years old, he got polio and it paralyzed him.
Christine (6:28) Yes. (6:29) My gosh. (6:30) And then he oh, well, here's the other thing. (6:32) He was in the hospital for about a year. (6:34) He was in an iron lung, and that would help you breathe.
Christine (6:38) It it's like a cylinder. (6:39) I don't know if you've ever seen an iron lung,
Speaker 3 (6:41) but it's,
Christine (6:42) yeah, it's a cylinder.
Speaker 3 (6:45) Chris, there's an alien landing behind you. (6:47) What is that?
Christine (6:47) Yes. (6:47) I know. (6:49) Honestly, people only call me when I don't wanna be called.
Speaker 3 (6:53) They're coming to take you away. (6:55) Right. (6:56) He was in an iron lung for a year?
Christine (6:58) No. (6:58) He was in an iron lung for a month. (7:01) Okay. (7:02) That helped him breathe because I don't even think back then they intubated people. (7:07) I mean, this was
Speaker 3 (7:09) pretty I'm a little confused. (7:10) Hold on a second. (7:11) How old were your parents when they were married?
Christine (7:13) 20. (7:14) I mean, my mom was I think my dad was 23. (7:17) My mom was 24.
Speaker 3 (7:20) And this polio thing happened to him just the following year?
Christine (7:23) I think it was a couple years out. (7:25) Couple years. (7:25) A lot of this is
Speaker 3 (7:26) It's muddled.
Christine (7:27) All mixed. (7:27) Yeah. (7:28) Muddled. (7:28) Gets all mixed up together.
Speaker 3 (7:30) Yeah.
Christine (7:31) But it but it ended up with three small kids, my dad in a wheelchair. (7:35) We had to take care of them.
Speaker 3 (7:37) They had the kids before the polio? (7:40) Yes. (7:40) Okay. (7:41) You they stayed together their whole life?
Christine (7:43) Yes. (7:43) They did. (7:44) My mom took her marriage foul seriously, I would say, through sickness and health. (7:49) Yeah. (7:50) And I it was I'm gonna say it was tough.
Christine (7:53) We lived in a very because my dad was in a wheelchair, we lived in a what they used to call prefab houses.
Speaker 3 (8:00) Mhmm.
Christine (8:01) No basement. (8:02) I think there were one or two steps, and then they built a ramp so that he could get in and out of the house.
Speaker 3 (8:09) Yeah. (8:09) Your mom did that her twenties or thirties or forties. (8:12) How long did your parents live?
Christine (8:13) Well, my dad died when he was 42.
Speaker 3 (8:16) As a result of the polio?
Christine (8:18) It was complications from it. (8:19) He came down with a really bad urinary tract infection. (8:24) Hospital that time. (8:25) He I think he had septicemia.
Speaker 3 (8:28) Mhmm.
Christine (8:28) And then, yeah, he eventually had a blood clot and died.
Speaker 3 (8:32) About how old were you when that happened?
Christine (8:35) I was in my early twenties.
Speaker 3 (8:37) Okay. (8:38) My gosh. (8:39) So your mom was taking care of him and your diabetes?
Christine (8:42) Oh, yeah. (8:43) And
Speaker 3 (8:44) The other kids have any issues?
Christine (8:45) My sister would come down with a lot of colds and strep throat and stuff. (8:49) I never had that kind of stuff. (8:50) I was pretty healthy that way as a kid, and my brother, I don't think, got too sick, but no. (8:56) No other issues.
Speaker 3 (8:57) Did they take tonsils out back then, or did they not do that back then?
Christine (9:00) Yeah. (9:00) Although I for some reason, we did not have our tonsils removed when we were kids.
Speaker 3 (9:07) I have to tell you I shared with you, I'm a little sick right now, and I was complaining to you before we started that these people got me sick. (9:14) And it started with is my son. (9:16) He went to visit friends. (9:17) He got on a plane. (9:18) He came back here.
Speaker 3 (9:19) He was sick. (9:21) My wife I was like, stay away from him. (9:23) You know you're going to get sick. (9:24) And she's like, no. (9:26) No.
Speaker 3 (9:26) No. (9:26) Like, we'd he'd been away for a week. (9:28) She's like, giving him a hug. (9:29) I'm like, hug him in a couple of days. (9:31) And, you know, she got sick.
Speaker 3 (9:33) She's getting better now, but the truth is I thought she was gonna die there for a couple days. (9:37) I have, like, low grade sickness. (9:39) Like, my I'll fight off most of it. (9:41) I'm not gonna get very sick, but I am sick. (9:44) The reason I'm telling you that because not only was Cole sick made Kelly sick, Cole got sicker again after he felt better.
Speaker 3 (9:51) It's gotten to me who'd never get sick. (9:53) But you know who's not sick? (9:55) Princess Arden who got her tonsils out.
Christine (9:57) Oh, really?
Speaker 3 (9:58) Yeah. (9:58) And she's like, if I had these tonsils in, you know I'd have strep throat by now.
Christine (10:03) Really? (10:03) And
Speaker 3 (10:04) Yeah. (10:04) She's not wrong.
Christine (10:05) See and I always thought my tonsils kinda saved me from some of that stuff.
Speaker 3 (10:10) Supposed to. (10:11) Yeah. (10:11) I'm not saying everybody shouldn't run out because their tonsils out, but Arden had, like Arden got sick a lot, and, she just has not been sick once since she had them out. (10:19) Those things were back there just trapping flies and then whatever else. (10:22) I don't know.
Speaker 3 (10:22) Yeah. (10:23) Well, listen. (10:24) Your mom's a a good lady. (10:25) I would have pushed Kelly right into a river. (10:27) So
Christine (10:28) May I say, I mean, there were so many problems that you can't I can't even begin to tell you all the things bad things that would happen mostly to my father, sometimes to me.
Speaker 3 (10:40) What do you mean? (10:41) What's an example of that?
Christine (10:43) Well, one time, you know, after my dad came home and stuff well, here's the thing. (10:48) My dad ended up being a stay at home dad like you were. (10:51) So he learned how to cook, and he would make meals for us. (10:55) He was able to drive with hand controls, so he was at least able to get into a car and go places. (11:02) He could never get out of the car.
Christine (11:03) Right. (11:03) And my mom went to work. (11:05) My mom was going to work back when this is before women's live and all this stuff.
Speaker 3 (11:11) Yeah.
Christine (11:11) And so my mom would work I think she mostly worked part time when we were all little, and then she went more to full time when we got older, and then we weren't quite as poor, and it wasn't quite as bad. (11:24) But, anyways, yeah, a lot of things happened to my dad. (11:28) One time, he had a commode chair that would go over the toilet, and he bent down to pick something up off the floor and the commode fell. (11:36) He fell against the bathroom door where the doorstop is, cut open his head. (11:44) Blood was pouring out under the bathroom door.
Christine (11:47) We couldn't get the bathroom door open. (11:49) We had to call the firefighters. (11:50) They had to take the window out to get in to get by him.
Speaker 3 (11:54) Because he was blocking the door.
Christine (11:55) He was blocking the door. (11:57) Traumatizing things kept happening in our family like that. (12:01) Another time, he was in the alley in his wheelchair, and my grandfather, who was older then, backed up into him and knocked him out of the chair.
Speaker 3 (12:12) With a car?
Christine (12:13) With a car.
Speaker 3 (12:15) That's not funny.
Christine (12:16) I know. (12:18) Well, you should hear when my brother and sister and I get together. (12:21) I mean, we just we laugh about this kind of stuff. (12:24) People look at us like we're nuts.
Speaker 3 (12:26) Wow. (12:26) Yeah. (12:26) It's a lot going on. (12:27) I'd laugh too. (12:28) Listen.
Speaker 3 (12:28) Can I ask an inappropriate question? (12:29) I feel weird because you're 73, but could your dad take care of business, or did your mom have to make a friend somewhere?
Christine (12:35) I believe he could take care of business. (12:38) Yes. (12:38) Okay.
Speaker 3 (12:40) Well, that's good. (12:42) Yeah. (12:43) This is mommy's friend. (12:44) Yeah. (12:45) We know.
Speaker 3 (12:45) It's okay. (12:49) Oh, wow. (12:50) Oh, that that's a heck of a start. (12:52) And so is there really any space in that story for you having diabetes, or is your diabetes really just kinda like shooting insulin once or twice a day to begin with? (13:00) It's not really that intense.
Christine (13:02) No. (13:02) No. (13:03) I wouldn't I was somewhat of the focus, but not too much. (13:06) I only took insulin back then once a day. (13:10) It was a a glass syringe with a steel needle on it.
Christine (13:15) Well, here's the story that my brother and sister especially remember. (13:19) For the first year that I had it, my mother would have to sit on me and give me my injections because I would just scream and cry. (13:27) And I personally don't remember that. (13:30) I think I blacked that part out. (13:32) But I know by the time I was seven years old, they had a visiting nurse come for, like, a week or two before I went to school and then taught me how to give myself my own injections.
Christine (13:42) Injections.
Speaker 3 (13:42) Okay.
Christine (13:42) You know, starting on an orange and then eventually myself. (13:46) But back then, we we didn't have, like, disposable needles. (13:50) And, honestly, I think I used the same needle for a couple years in a robe.
Speaker 3 (13:56) Would you take it to the pharmacy to have it sharpened? (13:58) No. (13:59) No. (14:00) You know, I I once talked to somebody who's was from a poor family. (14:04) They had to buy the needle from the pharmacy on, like, a layaway plan.
Christine (14:07) It seems to me they were very expensive, which is probably why we didn't get why I didn't get them.
Speaker 3 (14:13) I wonder what that means for that time. (14:15) Was it $5, you think, or something like that? (14:17) You know what I mean? (14:18) Like, how different money is
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Christine (16:50) Oh, I can I do have one statistic that I wanted to tell you that I came across? (16:55) Yeah. (16:55) In 1984, I wrote a checkout for two bottles of insulin. (17:00) It was a bottle of regular and a bottle of NPH. (17:03) Alcohol wipes, it cost me $17, and it was $8 for three months of syringes Yeah.
Christine (17:10) Disposable syringes.
Speaker 3 (17:12) Am I remembering right back then the insulin didn't need the prescription? (17:16) It was the needles you
Scott Benner (17:16) needed the script for. (17:17) Right?
Christine (17:18) Oh, see. (17:19) I don't remember that.
Speaker 3 (17:20) That? (17:20) I that's a thing I feel like somebody's told me in the past.
Christine (17:23) Yeah. (17:24) That kinda seems right, though.
Speaker 3 (17:25) Yeah. (17:26) Oh my gosh. (17:27) Yeah. (17:27) Though things have changed. (17:28) That's for sure.
Speaker 3 (17:29) I I saw a sandwich the other day that was $22, and I thought we're all gonna I'm like, we're all gonna starve to death. (17:35) This is if a sandwich is $22, I don't know how long we're all gonna make it. (17:38) That's ridiculous. (17:39) You know?
Christine (17:40) Right.
Speaker 3 (17:40) Oh my gosh. (17:41) Okay. (17:42) So you're doing one shot. (17:44) And but see, here's the like, here's what we gotta figure out. (17:47) You're 73.
Speaker 3 (17:48) Do you have any issues right now?
Christine (17:50) Really, the only diabetes complication that I came down with was retinopathy.
Speaker 3 (17:57) Okay.
Christine (17:57) And here's here's the thing. (17:59) Everything that ever went wrong with me was always kind of a weirdo thing and not standard. (18:06) So when I I had background for, you know, retinopathy for, I'm I'm gonna say, twenty or thirty years. (18:12) I'd go to see the eye doctor. (18:14) He'd always say, oh, it's stable.
Christine (18:15) It's stable. (18:16) Well, finally, my left eye developed more of the I think they call it pro proliferative retinopathy, and that's when I started seeing a doctor and having lasers done. (18:30) My other eye is still fine.
Speaker 3 (18:32) Okay.
Christine (18:32) I mean, there's some there, and I go to the eye doctor, but it hasn't developed any retinopathy.
Speaker 3 (18:38) And that's the extent of your complications after all this time?
Christine (18:42) Yeah. (18:43) Except now, I think my autonomic nervous system is finally starting to crack, and I think I have a lot of problems from that.
Speaker 3 (18:52) How so?
Christine (18:53) Well, I'm, like, lightheaded every morning when I get up. (18:57) I'm the room does not spin, but I feel unsteady on my feet. (19:01) And for the first half of the day, I walk around in the house with, like, a four pronged walker a cane.
Speaker 3 (19:08) Does your vision ever get dark? (19:10) Do you have trouble bending over and standing back up quickly?
Christine (19:14) Well, I I don't do that too often, but I'm able to.
Speaker 3 (19:17) Have you had COVID?
Christine (19:18) I believe I had COVID before they knew what what it was.
Speaker 3 (19:22) Yeah. (19:23) I wonder if you have, like, have people checked for POTS and things like that for you?
Christine (19:27) Yes. (19:28) I've been whatever test you can think of for this, I've been tested. (19:33) I have another whole story, but I think it might have something to do with either my medication or my autonomic nervous system.
Speaker 3 (19:42) Okay. (19:43) So Yeah. (19:44) Well, I hope you worked that out. (19:45) Are your doctors helpful, or do you find yourself mostly trying to deal with it on your own?
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Christine (20:58) Well, right now, I my kind husband and I kinda deal with it on our own.
Speaker 3 (21:03) Yeah.
Christine (21:03) Because there really is nothing they can do. (21:05) I've tried everything that they can do. (21:07) I've been tested for things. (21:09) I've had, you know, CAT scans, MRIs, whatever.
Speaker 3 (21:12) I don't mean to say people your age because the truth is is I feel I feel like in five seconds, I'm gonna be your age. (21:17) So I'm not I'm not casting aspersions. (21:18) But, like, do you guys use the Internet to try to figure stuff like that out? (21:22) Have you tried, like, you know, having a I know it's gonna sound crazy to you maybe, but have you tried having a conversation with an AI model to talk it through to try to figure out if you can find more answers than what the doctors are providing? (21:33) No.
Speaker 3 (21:33) No. (21:34) Is that a thing you would do?
Christine (21:36) Okay. (21:36) Well, Scott, here's the deal with me. (21:39) I worked in health care for forty years. (21:42) I worked in two different hospitals over those forty years. (21:45) I gained a lot of medical knowledge, especially about the diabetes and stuff that way.
Christine (21:50) I also went to school to work in medical records, and I was a medical record coder, not the kind of coder that codes computers.
Speaker 3 (21:59) Yeah.
Christine (21:59) Ones that read through charts. (22:01) You know, you take the diagnosis and the procedures out, and then that gets sent to the billing office. (22:06) We did that kind of work.
Speaker 3 (22:07) Right.
Christine (22:08) No. (22:08) I haven't been on chat GPT or do anything like that.
Speaker 3 (22:12) Like that. (22:12) Because, I mean, sometimes it just helps to to sit there without being rushed and say, this is how I feel. (22:19) What does that suggest? (22:20) Oh, and then maybe you'll think like, oh, also this happens to me. (22:23) What does that and maybe it's just a better list that you can go back to your doctor with then.
Christine (22:27) I have to say I have a very good PA now, an endocrinologist PA, and she's great, and she's open to a lot of things. (22:34) So I I definitely will do that, see if I can come up with anything else.
Speaker 3 (22:38) I mean, what are you? (22:39) Busy? (22:39) You you know what I
Christine (22:40) mean? (22:40) Exactly.
Speaker 3 (22:42) And but you're you're stuck with a walker now because of this? (22:45) Because why? (22:45) Because you think you might fall?
Christine (22:47) No. (22:47) It actually, it's a I said walker, but it's a four prong cane. (22:52) And here's the weird yeah. (22:54) Here's the weird thing, Scott. (22:56) By the afternoon, after lunch
Speaker 3 (22:58) You're okay.
Christine (22:58) Usually am okay.
Speaker 3 (23:00) Is it maybe are you is your salt level is it something simple? (23:03) Like, have you tried having something salty in the morning to see if it's your blood pressure?
Christine (23:07) Well, of course, because I'm a cardiac patient, they want me to stay away from salt.
Speaker 3 (23:11) But, yes, I
Christine (23:13) yeah. (23:13) But I have tried that.
Speaker 3 (23:14) What's up with your ticker?
Christine (23:15) Oh, jeez. (23:16) Well, I had a heart attack. (23:18) They did a cardiac cath, put two stents in, and then I had a small t stroke after that.
Speaker 3 (23:25) How long ago was this? (23:27) In your fifties?
Christine (23:27) That was a couple years ago, like, three years ago.
Speaker 3 (23:30) In your six at the end of your sixties?
Christine (23:32) Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:32) Did they didn't attribute the heart problem to the diabetes?
Christine (23:35) Oh, the anything that ever went wrong with me, they always would say, well, you know, diabetics are more prone to this, and I go, yes. (23:42) I know.
Speaker 3 (23:43) Prone. (23:43) Thank you. (23:44) Speaking of prone, have you heard what happened to my dad? (23:46) Now, let's see. (23:48) Thank you.
Speaker 3 (23:49) Thank you, Chris. (23:50) I appreciate the laugh. (23:51) I'm wondering I guess I'm wondering when things shift for you going through time. (23:58) Right? (23:58) One shot a day goes to probably two shots a day.
Speaker 3 (24:01) When do you start counting carbs? (24:03) What are your outcomes like when you're younger? (24:05) Do you even know what they are? (24:07) No. (24:07) Because you're doing well.
Speaker 3 (24:09) I mean, mean, you you're having some issues, but also you're 73. (24:12) You you were gonna have issues one way or the other. (24:14) So I'm 54. (24:15) I have issues. (24:16) So Sure.
Speaker 3 (24:17) I'm wondering, like, when you grew up in a world where someone told you you might not live till you were 20, I guess my I have a two pronged question. (24:25) First of all, like, did you grow up believing you were gonna die young?
Christine (24:29) Oh, yes.
Speaker 3 (24:29) And what was that like? (24:31) How did that impact you?
Christine (24:32) Well, I think part of it was my parents both knew of one guy who must have died when he was a teenager from type one. (24:42) Mhmm. (24:42) I don't know if he was, like, a neighborhood kid or whatever. (24:45) So I think that was in the back of their mind. (24:48) Yeah.
Christine (24:48) They kinda just said, well, it's, you know, it's a very difficult disease and blah blah blah. (24:54) And so, yes, I grew up until I got to about my mid thirties.
Speaker 3 (24:59) You're like, I don't think I'm gonna die. (25:00) What's going on here?
Christine (25:01) Well, because exactly.
Speaker 3 (25:03) Because I
Christine (25:04) did stay kinda healthy, and I I didn't have a lot of complications. (25:09) And when I was a kid, oh my gosh, I was just scared to death of going blind.
Speaker 3 (25:14) Mhmm.
Christine (25:14) And that and seeing Patty Duke and Bancroft in the miracle worker. (25:20) I don't know if you ever saw that movie. (25:21) But as a kid, I would sometimes just close my eyes and pretend I was blind to see how I could do.
Speaker 3 (25:26) Oh, because you thought it was coming for sure.
Christine (25:28) I did.
Speaker 3 (25:29) Did you plan differently? (25:30) Like, did you pay different attention in school or go to not go to college right away or anything because of, like, thinking, like, what why would I bother doing all this?
Christine (25:39) I actually did not go to college purposefully, but part of that was I didn't I didn't really know what it what I wanted to be when I grew up.
Speaker 3 (25:47) Yeah.
Christine (25:48) And then the other thing was like, why bother?
Speaker 3 (25:50) Because you're not growing up anyway.
Christine (25:52) Right.
Speaker 3 (25:52) Wow. (25:53) How crazy is it to live thirty years of your life until one day you go, maybe I am gonna keep living.
Christine (25:59) Yes. (25:59) And that's exactly what happened to me. (26:01) And I have to tell you, my mother till the day she died, and she died in her late eighties, was felt so guilty about this. (26:10) And, like, what did she do wrong? (26:12) And by the time I hit probably 40, I would say to her, look at me.
Christine (26:17) I'm doing okay. (26:18) You know, you don't have to feel so bad about this.
Speaker 3 (26:21) Right. (26:21) Well, you that's good to know I'm not gonna stop feeling bad. (26:24) Awesome. (26:24) Right. (26:25) Do you have kids?
Christine (26:27) No. (26:27) And that was one of the decisions. (26:30) Back then, I worked with a nurse who also had type one. (26:35) She got pregnant, and she lost the baby. (26:38) It was, like, a stillborn Mhmm.
Christine (26:40) At seven months. (26:42) And then because I worked in a hospital, I had access to the medical library. (26:47) So I went in there. (26:49) I would look at journals and medical books aimed at doctors, and I didn't understand a lot of the language, but I kinda read up on pregnancy and diabetes. (26:59) And
Speaker 3 (27:00) Scared you.
Christine (27:00) I think back then, they could actually hospitalize you for a month or two to try to get you through.
Speaker 3 (27:06) That was enough for you to say, hey. (27:07) Maybe we won't do this. (27:09) Yeah. (27:09) Yeah. (27:09) Do you have pets?
Christine (27:10) We did for many years, but now we moved to a condo. (27:14) Our whole life has changed and stuff.
Speaker 3 (27:16) Well, if you want a blue chameleon, he's staring at me very, very oddly right now. (27:21) I could ship him over to you. (27:22) Why are you looking at me like that? (27:23) He is eyeballing me in a very strange way right now. (27:26) I just wanna say it.
Speaker 3 (27:26) I think if there wasn't glass there, he'd be on my head right now.
Christine (27:29) See, I'd I'd rather have a puppy than a reptile.
Speaker 3 (27:32) So Well, hey. (27:33) Listen. (27:34) Tell your husband. (27:34) I didn't make you pay for kids. (27:36) Get me a dog.
Speaker 3 (27:37) Seriously, you guys must be wealthy from not having kids. (27:42) Oh, we don't even wanna go down that road. (27:45) My gosh. (27:46) My wife and I just stood around the other day going, like, I wonder how much money we'd have if these freaking kids weren't here.
Christine (27:50) Can I just I just have to say something in our defense? (27:53) Yeah. (27:54) My husband and I both were very frugal our whole lives. (27:59) We were savers. (28:00) We never well, we both worked a lot, and then we never we would save up and go on, like, a really nice vacation every five years.
Christine (28:08) And then Awesome. (28:09) Yeah. (28:09) Once once a year, we'd take well, we only had two weeks vacation. (28:13) We'd go camping in Canada or or do something like that.
Speaker 3 (28:16) So That's nice. (28:17) That sounds very nice. (28:18) Do you think he's disappointed that you don't have kids?
Christine (28:21) No. (28:21) He he knew going in.
Speaker 3 (28:23) Did you get married later? (28:25) Yes. (28:26) Yeah. (28:26) Because you were like, I can't get if I'm if I don't need to go to college, I definitely don't need to get married.
Christine (28:31) Right.
Speaker 3 (28:32) Yeah. (28:32) You know, it's starting to freak me out, Chris, how many conversations I've had with older people who've said this to me.
Christine (28:37) Well, that's yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:38) One lady sticks in my head so hard that that and I I bring it up every time because her doctor told her to drop out of college and told her that no man would want her. (28:47) You should just just go home. (28:49) Isn't that great? (28:50) Isn't that horrible?
Christine (28:51) That's very harsh. (28:52) Yes.
Speaker 3 (28:53) So okay. (28:54) So do you regret it?
Christine (28:56) I will say at this age, I do. (28:59) I think during the times of, like, my, you know, thirties, forties, fifties, no. (29:05) But now that we're getting more feeble, and I think I have the beginning of maybe some, like, dementia or something.
Speaker 3 (29:13) Really?
Christine (29:14) Yeah. (29:15) And my husband has some medical problems. (29:17) I'm like, woah. (29:18) Who the heck's gonna take care of us? (29:20) What happens now?
Speaker 3 (29:21) When you're younger and he's younger, you have each other. (29:25) And the minute you start getting older, you think like, woah. (29:27) I can't count on him as much. (29:29) He can't count on me as much, and there's no one else coming.
Christine (29:31) Right. (29:32) Wow. (29:32) Right.
Speaker 3 (29:33) That's tough. (29:33) Yeah. (29:34) I'm sorry. (29:35) T1dto100.org is a website set up for people who are older of type one diabetes. (29:40) Might be helpful to you.
Speaker 3 (29:41) I just wanna double check to make sure I have the URL correct.
Christine (29:45) Yeah. (29:45) No. (29:45) I actually looked I looked there. (29:47) I there's a type one of people who have had it fifty years or more.
Speaker 3 (29:52) Mhmm.
Christine (29:53) And I'm on that one, and then I'm also on juice box a little bit.
Speaker 3 (29:56) Okay. (29:57) T one D to 100, did you hear about that on here?
Christine (30:01) Probably.
Speaker 3 (30:02) Oh, she'll be thrilled to know that. (30:03) That was great.
Christine (30:04) Let me just ask you. (30:06) Is that the what used to be the JDRF?
Speaker 3 (30:09) No. (30:10) This is run by a lovely woman named Joanne Milo. (30:12) It's lit
Christine (30:13) Oh, yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:13) You know that one. (30:14) Sure. (30:14) Okay.
Christine (30:15) Yeah. (30:15) I do.
Speaker 3 (30:16) So, yeah, that's a great website for for people who are older of type one. (30:21) My gosh. (30:22) So you were worried about dying. (30:24) It kinda slowed everything down in your life. (30:26) You eventually got moving there.
Speaker 3 (30:28) When do you come up on carb counting? (30:30) Do you remember?
Christine (30:32) Well, I had sort of a carb counting. (30:36) See, I had a really good internal medicine doctor for, like, thirty years.
Speaker 3 (30:41) Mhmm.
Christine (30:41) And he was real open to stuff. (30:43) And this is a shout out to doctor Tanti, and you can keep his name in there because he was great. (30:49) Yeah. (30:49) And he was willing to try things with me. (30:52) He got me before I well, right when we could start doing blood sugars.
Christine (30:59) My husband and I, they were so expensive. (31:01) We would cut the strips in half. (31:03) And then, you know, you'd put your blood on it, you'd have a a chart of a certain it wasn't certainly very accurate, but at least gave you kind of a showing where you were. (31:15) And from there, he would say to me, now maybe when you have lunch, take, like, a unit or two of regular insulin or change your Miles per hour to this. (31:27) So he and I kinda worked things like that out, and that was in the late eighties.
Speaker 3 (31:31) Yeah. (31:32) Just feeling your way through it.
Christine (31:33) Yes.
Speaker 3 (31:34) Yeah.
Christine (31:34) Yeah. (31:34) Then in 1994, I can tell you this, I had my first a one c.
Speaker 3 (31:39) And it was?
Christine (31:41) 12.5.
Speaker 3 (31:44) My god. (31:45) Why am I trying so hard? (31:46) What's going on? (31:47) Well,
Christine (31:48) you know what? (31:49) He and I looked at each other like, really? (31:51) Because we both thought I was doing pretty well at that time.
Speaker 3 (31:55) Yeah.
Christine (31:56) I think it was more we got into taking a little more regular insulin before I ate and stuff, and it was still all until I got my CGM, it was really all just a guessing game. (32:06) Yep. (32:06) And after a while, I got to kinda know what would really raise my blood sugar a lot and what was safer.
Speaker 3 (32:12) Mhmm. (32:13) All these years, all the different devices and different ideas, best thing that's come along, CGM?
Christine (32:18) Yes. (32:19) Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:19) You have a pump now?
Christine (32:21) I do. (32:22) I've been on a pump for, I think, since the early since 1999. (32:27) '99. (32:27) Twenty six years.
Speaker 3 (32:28) On the same pump for twenty six years?
Christine (32:30) Well, always a Medtronic, so I kept you know, once the new one would come out every four years, I could get another one.
Speaker 3 (32:37) Yeah. (32:37) No. (32:37) I hear your Midwestern accent. (32:39) I knew you had a Medtronic.
Christine (32:40) Oh, wait till I start. (32:41) I could yeah. (32:42) We have a lot of things we say.
Speaker 3 (32:45) No. (32:46) I know. (32:46) I hear you. (32:47) Yeah. (32:47) Medtronic, is is based out there.
Speaker 3 (32:50) Well, they were. (32:51) I don't know if they still are in Minnesota at one point. (32:53) So they were the preferred insulin pump of the Midwest. (32:56) That's great. (32:57) And what are you on now?
Speaker 3 (32:58) Do you use seven eighty g, or are you doing automated?
Christine (33:00) I'm on a seven eighty, but I I do not do, like, their sensor with it. (33:07) I use my CGM separately, and I control everything.
Speaker 3 (33:10) Okay. (33:10) Are you thinking of trying their new sensor and going to automation, or does that freak you out?
Christine (33:15) Here's where I'm coming from. (33:17) I don't know that I would ever go to automation. (33:20) I think I can zero it in enough. (33:22) But, yes, I would eventually probably go to their sensor.
Speaker 3 (33:26) Okay. (33:27) This is interesting, though, at your age. (33:28) I'm sorry. (33:29) Like, what about being on an automated system throws you off?
Christine (33:33) I just don't trust it. (33:36) I just
Speaker 3 (33:37) Why not? (33:38) I wanna
Christine (33:38) know. (33:39) I see people, you know, like, on juice box, and they're going, well, I'm having trouble with this or I'm having trouble with that. (33:44) And Yeah. (33:45) I think there's part of me too I have to be in control.
Speaker 3 (33:48) Well, that's what I'm wondering about because, I mean, do you get low overnight?
Christine (33:52) Not oh, I screw around with my basil all the time.
Speaker 3 (33:56) Yeah. (33:56) What's your
Christine (33:57) It depends. (33:58) Oh.
Speaker 3 (33:58) No. (33:59) No. (33:59) Go ahead. (33:59) Depends on what?
Christine (34:00) It depends on what I'm eating and what's going on. (34:05) Mhmm. (34:06) I'm gonna go into the I started about six months ago trying to eliminate seed oils in my life, and I have to tell you my basil has come down, and I don't eat as much.
Speaker 3 (34:18) Yeah. (34:19) What's what oils did you cut out? (34:20) Like canola? (34:21) Yes. (34:22) Yep.
Speaker 3 (34:22) Good. (34:23) That's awesome. (34:23) Yeah. (34:24) Just use a cold pressed olive oil when you need oil.
Christine (34:26) Well, and here's the thing. (34:28) I love butter because, you know, I'm in a dairy state. (34:31) Then the cardiologist doesn't like that. (34:33) But, yes, it's like butter and olive oil, and I've eliminated a lot of that kind of food from my
Speaker 3 (34:40) Good for you. (34:40) I think I think that's a good that's a good decision. (34:43) Dementia. (34:44) Why do you think you have the beginnings of dementia?
Christine (34:46) Well, from all the scans and MRI and all that, they can tell, you know, there's a lot of vessel disease. (34:53) Mhmm. (34:53) And I just think, I'm not as sharp as I used to be. (34:57) Although when I talk to my friends and I've had the same group of friends for, like, fifty years too, they all seem to have a little bit of the same problems, but you can't come up with names quite as fast or I forget. (35:09) And I'll say my poor husband, I'll say to him, did I tell you this already?
Christine (35:13) And then you know?
Speaker 3 (35:14) Like, real forgetfulness, not just, like, when I call the dog the wrong name.
Christine (35:19) Yeah. (35:20) Yeah. (35:20) I
Speaker 3 (35:20) yeah. (35:21) I do that no matter what, by the way.
Christine (35:24) I
Speaker 3 (35:26) call the one dog the other name, and I look right at him, and I go, Friday, I go, your name is Basil. (35:30) Sorry. (35:30) And then yeah.
Christine (35:31) More and more, I hear this from people, so maybe I won't have dementia, which would be great. (35:37) I'd be
Speaker 3 (35:37) I think I'm just busy, but also old because I really am I don't know, like, what other people's lives are like, but I'm flying around doing, like, a thousand things at one time pretty constantly. (35:47) But yeah. (35:49) No. (35:49) I just sometimes I look at that dog and I'm like, Friday. (35:51) Damn.
Speaker 3 (35:52) Basil. (35:54) And I mix oh my gosh. (35:56) I can't believe I'm gonna say this. (35:57) I call Arden Kelly and Kelly Arden sometimes.
Christine (36:00) Oh, yeah. (36:01) I but people do that. (36:02) I mean, people in my own family do that too. (36:05) So
Speaker 3 (36:05) Yeah. (36:06) I don't know why it is, to be perfectly honest. (36:07) Their voices are starting to sound more similar.
Christine (36:10) Yes. (36:10) That might be a little
Speaker 3 (36:11) I believe you're like, how would I know, Scott? (36:13) I'm the guest on your podcast. (36:14) I have no idea about your kids and your wife. (36:17) Anyway, chameleon's still staring right through my soul. (36:20) Through my soul, he's looking.
Speaker 3 (36:21) What is wrong, man? (36:22) Go for a He's so adorable. (36:25) Blue and red, and I don't know how nature made him that way. (36:29) So you're have being forgetful, blah blah blah. (36:31) You went and got scans done.
Speaker 3 (36:32) I remember when my mom got her scan, and they talked about, like, the front of her brain having atrophy, and it broke my heart when they said that.
Christine (36:40) Oh.
Speaker 3 (36:41) Yeah. (36:42) No. (36:42) I'm so sorry. (36:43) Your husband same age? (36:45) Yes.
Speaker 3 (36:46) Okay. (36:46) You guys are the same age. (36:47) How'd you find each other late in life? (36:49) At work?
Christine (36:50) No. (36:50) We actually met at a wedding.
Speaker 3 (36:52) That's a good way to do it.
Christine (36:54) Oh, yes. (36:54) Yeah. (36:55) And there were, like, three I was the maid of honor. (36:58) There were, like, three single guys there, and so it was kind of fun.
Speaker 3 (37:02) Tell people that's how it used to work. (37:03) Right?
Christine (37:04) Oh, yes.
Speaker 3 (37:05) Absolutely. (37:05) You go to somebody else's wedding to get married yourself.
Christine (37:08) Yes.
Speaker 3 (37:08) Or to get laid. (37:10) You know?
Christine (37:14) I'm not
Speaker 3 (37:15) Chris, here I go.
Christine (37:16) Don't use if you no. (37:18) Don't Don't go
Speaker 3 (37:19) there. (37:20) She said no. (37:21) Don't. (37:22) I was just gonna ask if you took your pump off to have sex. (37:26) I remember
Christine (37:29) we talked about it. (37:30) It did not bother us. (37:32) I had the longer, tubing, so it was, like, fine. (37:36) It worked out just fine.
Speaker 3 (37:38) Look at you bragging. (37:39) You had longer tubing. (37:40) I see what you're saying. (37:41) Yeah. (37:41) Well, that's that's very that's very
Christine (37:42) Now I'm blushing. (37:43) My husband's looking at me like, what the hell are you laughing?
Speaker 3 (37:47) Tell him we're saying great things about his long tubing. (37:49) And Yeah. (37:50) Did you have to have snacks at the table for that?
Christine (37:54) No. (37:54) Not usually.
Speaker 3 (37:55) No? (37:56) Okay. (37:57) Even if you moved into a different position? (38:01) Even. (38:01) Okay.
Speaker 3 (38:02) Yeah. (38:03) This is great. (38:04) I should talk more with people in their seventies about sex. (38:07) I think it's fun.
Christine (38:09) We don't wanna give all the secrets away.
Speaker 3 (38:11) There are not that many secrets. (38:13) Only works a couple different ways.
Christine (38:18) Let me can I just say this real quick? (38:21) Since I've had my stroke and this last heart attack, though, and I'm this age now, I don't feel that I can tell when my blood sugar is dropping as much. (38:30) So, like, when my CGM says 85, I take, like, a a glucose gummy because I just start feeling too weird and stuff.
Speaker 3 (38:39) Mhmm.
Christine (38:40) So I walk around every day with my CGM in one pocket, my glucose gummies in the other, and that's kinda but no.
Speaker 3 (38:49) What are other adjustments you've had to make as you get older?
Christine (38:53) Well, I think I lost my peripheral vision from the retinopathy. (38:57) So I have to, like, when I'm walking with people, I always ask them to walk on the right side of me, or I'm afraid I'm gonna bump into them. (39:04) Or when my husband and I are working in the kitchen together, I can't always see them, and I'm afraid I'm gonna turn around with a pot or milk or whatever
Speaker 3 (39:13) Yeah.
Christine (39:13) And bump into them. (39:14) So stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (39:16) That that kind of thing. (39:16) What about about management stuff? (39:18) Like, you're saying you have to you know, you're 85. (39:20) You know you should treat because you're probably falling. (39:22) Like, has there been have you become less aggressive with prebolising?
Speaker 3 (39:25) Like, are there other things that that your age scares you about?
Christine (39:28) No. (39:29) I think since I got the CGM, I can
Speaker 3 (39:32) You're okay.
Christine (39:33) Just about anything.
Speaker 3 (39:34) Yeah. (39:34) That's great. (39:35) Do you worry about dexterity and using your devices?
Christine (39:41) Oh, yeah. (39:41) I have to say I cannot get my c I cannot get my CGM. (39:45) I could not unscrew that thing if I had to do it myself. (39:49) My husband always puts it in my arm for me
Speaker 3 (39:52) and stuff. (39:53) Seven, you you're having trouble on twisting it?
Christine (39:55) Yes.
Speaker 3 (39:56) Okay. (39:57) And then what about this? (39:59) And he's gotta insert it for you?
Scott Benner (40:01) Yeah. (40:02) Okay. (40:02) Because it's hard to hold, articulate, push the button Yes.
Speaker 3 (40:05) The whole thing.
Christine (40:05) Plus, I have arthritis really bad in my right hand, so that doesn't help either.
Speaker 3 (40:10) Oh, okay.
Christine (40:11) Oh, and we didn't even talk about when I had cancer.
Speaker 3 (40:14) What the hell? (40:15) How'd you boy, Chris, I love people who have lived a longer life because, I seriously I don't know what episode it was, but I think I interviewed a lady once who was married, like, three times. (40:26) And while I was talking to her, you realized they weren't, in and out marriages. (40:29) She had three separate lives.
Christine (40:32) Sure.
Speaker 3 (40:32) She remembered generously, like, each one of them.
Christine (40:35) Sure.
Speaker 3 (40:36) Yeah. (40:36) Yeah. (40:36) So it's interest it makes me feel like that. (40:38) How old were you when you got cancer?
Christine (40:40) I was 64.
Speaker 3 (40:42) What kind?
Christine (40:44) Well, Scott.
Speaker 3 (40:45) Oh, the lady cancer.
Christine (40:47) Yeah. (40:47) No. (40:47) No. (40:47) Well, it was in my breast.
Speaker 3 (40:49) Oh, wow.
Christine (40:50) But I came down with what's known as triple negative, and it was stage two b. (40:56) So it wasn't three because I think it was only in one lymph node.
Speaker 3 (41:02) Mhmm.
Christine (41:02) Yeah. (41:02) I went through a whole year of chemo and radiation, and that radiation then left me with lymphedema on my right side, and it's, like, a more it's not in my arm so much. (41:14) It's under my arm and into my back and into my one breast.
Speaker 3 (41:19) What is that like to deal with?
Christine (41:21) It's not fun. (41:22) I luckily have a wonderful physical therapist. (41:26) I actually have two of them. (41:28) And my husband and I are very lucky. (41:30) We live within two miles of the places I have to go for medical treatment.
Christine (41:35) So that helps a lot, and she's been really helpful. (41:39) I do have a machine that I can use at home that I zip up and it kinda compresses that area, but she's really good about, like, getting the drain in and out and stuff.
Speaker 3 (41:50) Did you get a mastectomy?
Christine (41:51) No. (41:52) I had a lumpectomy.
Speaker 3 (41:53) A lumpectomy. (41:54) Okay. (41:54) Yeah. (41:55) Oh my gosh. (41:57) It's interesting to hear you say, like, how lucky you feel just for something to be close to your house.
Christine (42:01) Yes. (42:02) Oh my gosh. (42:03) My sister lives in the Boondocks in Wisconsin, and she's gotta travel, I think, forty five minutes just to get to town to get to the one hospital that's up there or the or the doctor clinic or whatever.
Speaker 3 (42:16) So I remember my brother one time said he had to pick something up, and I was like, why don't you just go get at the mall? (42:20) He goes, I don't have a whole day to give away to that. (42:22) I was like, wait. (42:23) What?
Christine (42:23) Well, that's the other thing when she goes grocery shopping. (42:26) Yeah.
Speaker 3 (42:26) It's It's a it's a trek. (42:28) You know, it's funny. (42:29) I don't think I talk about it much when you're my my wife and I, we're very hopeful about self driving cars helping us as we get older.
Christine (42:37) Oh, yes.
Speaker 3 (42:38) Yeah. (42:38) And it's funny. (42:39) Do you do you have that thought too?
Christine (42:41) Oh, yes.
Speaker 3 (42:42) So you're okay with a car driving you, but not a pump taking care of your insulin?
Christine (42:46) Yes.
Speaker 3 (42:48) Goddamn, Chris. (42:49) I've been setting you up for that for, like, a half an hour. (42:51) I just want you to know.
Christine (42:52) Yes. (42:52) You have.
Speaker 3 (42:54) Of why? (42:56) What how could you possibly now listen. (42:58) For anybody who hasn't done it and I'll just say, like, it it I think there's a couple companies that do it. (43:04) I've been in a few cars that do it. (43:05) Teslas do it incredibly well.
Speaker 3 (43:08) It's something else. (43:10) If you have not sat in a car that's driving itself and you have not had to touch the steering wheel or the brakes or the pedals or anything Right. (43:16) And watched it, you would be amazed at how well it works.
Christine (43:19) We actually either knew somebody who did that or something because my husband's very impressed with it.
Speaker 3 (43:25) Yeah.
Christine (43:26) And it would be ideal probably for us.
Speaker 3 (43:28) Yeah. (43:28) My neighbors are in their seventies, and they're like, the next time we get a car, we're gonna get a car that drives itself because they try to visit their kids, and their kids are far away. (43:37) And they talk about just how just the drive beats the hell out of
Christine (43:41) them. (43:41) Sure.
Speaker 3 (43:42) But okay. (43:43) So you would that's interesting. (43:44) Do you think you're from a different generation. (43:46) Do you think you're comfortable with self driving because your husband's impressed by it?
Christine (43:50) Yes.
Speaker 3 (43:51) Okay. (43:52) But I wish I husband
Christine (43:53) can can I just say my husband has one of those cars now that he almost it almost is self driving. (43:58) He doesn't have to have his hands on the wheel. (44:01) It's called Super Cruise.
Speaker 3 (44:02) Yeah. (44:03) Yeah. (44:03) But is that the Chevy? (44:04) Is that a Chevy? (44:05) Yeah.
Speaker 3 (44:05) Yeah. (44:05) Listen. (44:06) Again, I took a long drive in a Tesla, and the driver never touched anything. (44:11) I mean, it was right turns, left turns, stop signs, merging, speeding up, passing cars. (44:18) Awesome.
Christine (44:18) I think I could have been in a Tesla. (44:20) Was I in a Tesla in Vegas? (44:22) Oh, my friend and I went to Las Vegas a couple that was maybe three years ago. (44:26) Yeah. (44:27) Two years ago.
Christine (44:28) Yeah. (44:28) We were in a Tesla.
Speaker 3 (44:29) And you
Christine (44:29) know what? (44:30) I like the way the whole inside of the car
Speaker 3 (44:33) looked simple and empty and yeah. (44:35) Kinda clean. (44:36) Okay. (44:37) So how long you've listening to the podcast?
Christine (44:39) Pretty much from the beginning, I think.
Speaker 3 (44:40) Pretend then that I'm your husband for a second, and I'll tell you I'm pretty impressed with the automated insulin delivery systems.
Christine (44:46) I know. (44:46) I can tell by the way you talk about it.
Speaker 3 (44:48) So why don't you try it?
Christine (44:50) Because I'm stubborn. (44:51) Well,
Speaker 3 (44:55) I think Medtronic seven eighty g is a good pump. (44:57) And if you got their sensor and paired it up, I think it's possible it could take away a lot of the thinking about it.
Christine (45:04) Okay. (45:05) Well and like I said, I am open to that. (45:08) Mhmm. (45:08) And at some point next year, I may go to that.
Speaker 3 (45:11) Good for you. (45:12) Yeah. (45:12) Well, that's a good listen. (45:13) You don't have to love it. (45:14) You could hate it.
Speaker 3 (45:15) But maybe it's a control thing you won't be able to give away. (45:18) But, also, maybe you'll just think, hey. (45:20) This is awesome not thinking about this.
Christine (45:23) Yes. (45:24) I suppose. (45:24) Yeah.
Speaker 3 (45:24) As much. (45:25) And as you get older too, you know, maybe maybe it could buy you some extra time because, know, the end of this, you know, for all of us living, the longer you go, the more help you're gonna need. (45:36) But with type one diabetes, it's an extra burden. (45:39) Right? (45:39) And now you're counting on somebody around you to help.
Speaker 3 (45:42) It's not your husband, and it's not kids, and, you know, then you're you're looking at nursing home staff. (45:47) Like, they're not gonna understand it. (45:48) My gosh. (45:49) Yeah.
Christine (45:49) Oh, can I just say my husband and I have talked this over, and we are going to age in place? (45:55) So, hopefully, an aide or whoever can come here.
Speaker 3 (45:59) Yeah.
Christine (46:00) I'm thinking if the worst ever happens, I will go to one injection a day and just let me whatever.
Speaker 3 (46:07) Whatever happens happens? (46:08) Yeah. (46:08) Yeah. (46:09) What's the worst that could happen? (46:10) You mean your husband passing?
Christine (46:12) No. (46:13) I would say, like, if I had a stroll
Speaker 3 (46:15) or something like that where you couldn't handle it.
Christine (46:17) Yeah. (46:17) Where where I was totally incapacitated.
Speaker 3 (46:20) Yeah. (46:20) What a what a great conversation to have on the last day of the year. (46:23) Everybody's feeling hopeful about next year. (46:25) You and I are like, we're all gonna die. (46:26) So I
Christine (46:28) hate to tell you this, but a lot of not good well, not a couple bad things have happened to me on New Year's, but talking to you is not one of them. (46:36) So
Speaker 3 (46:36) I'm glad you're having a good time. (46:38) But did someone hit you with their car in the driveway? (46:40) What happened?
Christine (46:40) Well, no. (46:41) This is I found my breast lump on New Year's Day. (46:46) Yes. (46:47) I had my heart attack on New Year's Eve Day.
Speaker 3 (46:50) What the hell?
Christine (46:51) I know. (46:53) And I would just wanna say to to people, my only symptom for that was my pulse was up to a 100 and yeah. (47:00) I had tachycardia. (47:02) My pulse rate went up to about a 128. (47:04) The only reason I really paid attention to it is because this was during COVID, and everybody was getting those pulse oximeters for their fingers.
Christine (47:13) And then if it went below something, you were supposed to go to the hospital immediately or whatever.
Speaker 3 (47:18) Yeah. (47:19) How about that?
Christine (47:20) So that's how I caught that?
Speaker 3 (47:21) Wow. (47:22) That's insane. (47:23) My gosh. (47:24) What wait a minute. (47:26) How did you find the lump?
Speaker 3 (47:28) Do you, like, doing a self exam where you're
Scott Benner (47:30) like, hey. (47:30) It's the first of
Speaker 3 (47:30) the year. (47:31) Let me take a look. (47:31) Or
Christine (47:32) Okay. (47:32) I'll tell you the the story before it. (47:34) We have we were in Arizona. (47:37) We lived out there part time for about fifteen years, and we were at our friend's house. (47:42) She's a wonderful cook.
Christine (47:44) She made this really kinda spicy chicken dish. (47:48) It was tremendous. (47:49) We had a really good time. (47:51) I ate the spicy chicken, and I woke up the next morning, and my right breast itched so much. (47:58) And I went to scratch it, and I'm like, holy crap.
Christine (48:01) There's a big lump here. (48:03) And I'm like, for five minutes, I said to myself, I'm gonna pretend I never found this because I knew I knew then what it was having worked in, you know, the health care industry for forty years. (48:16) I was like, this is not good.
Scott Benner (48:18) You were saved by itchy titty?
Christine (48:20) Yes. (48:20) Oh, shit.
Speaker 3 (48:21) Boy, what if I made that the title of your episode?
Christine (48:23) No. (48:24) Please don't. (48:27) I
Speaker 3 (48:30) feel like I could get $20 out of you right now not to do that. (48:33) I if I You you
Christine (48:35) could get more than that.
Speaker 3 (48:39) No kidding. (48:39) Just an incredible, like, bothersome itch, and you're like, woah, gosh. (48:43) What is it? (48:44) Tell me that five minutes of, like, I'll just ignore it. (48:47) Is it just, like, I can't do one more thing, or what's that feeling?
Christine (48:50) That. (48:51) Yes. (48:51) Yeah. (48:52) What was that?
Speaker 3 (48:52) What about living your whole life like this? (48:55) I mean, you have a great attitude, and I don't feel like I'm speaking to a 73 year old person. (48:59) I just wanna say that. (49:00) Right? (49:01) At the same time, it's a lot.
Speaker 3 (49:03) I mean, listening over your life, being poor, your dad becoming incapacitated, like, you know, your mom going off and working at a time when that's not what has happened. (49:12) You're taking care of your diabetes, but really, you're living with, like, a twelve a one c for a long ass time.
Christine (49:17) Mhmm.
Speaker 3 (49:18) Heart attack, cancer, retinopathy, a lot's happening. (49:22) You didn't get to have kids. (49:23) It's not I don't think it's a thing you didn't want. (49:25) You had to live thinking you were gonna die early. (49:28) Why do you still have a good attitude And but at the same time, like, this struggle must have done something for you.
Speaker 3 (49:34) Have you ever thought about what it is?
Christine (49:37) Yeah. (49:37) I've tried to examine it quite often, and I can't quite figure it out. (49:43) I think if anything I I I have this one saying. (49:47) I think this came up during COVID, but it was like, I'm bloodthirsty but faint hearted. (49:52) So I think there's a part of me that's willing to fight for a lot of stuff, and then there's a other part of me that's like, yeah.
Christine (49:58) What? (49:58) No. (49:58) I'm not doing this.
Speaker 3 (50:00) And so what does it come and go depending on the situation? (50:03) Is it situational?
Christine (50:04) Think prob probably sometimes.
Speaker 3 (50:06) So give me an example of something you fought for.
Christine (50:08) Well, we didn't even get into
Speaker 3 (50:11) Well, we got time. (50:12) Take your time. (50:13) Go ahead.
Christine (50:13) Oh, good. (50:14) Yeah. (50:15) Well, I'm on Synthroid.
Speaker 3 (50:17) Have Hashimoto's? (50:18) Or
Christine (50:19) No. (50:19) I came down with hypothyroidism because I believe when I went through my cancer treatment and I was going through the radiation
Speaker 3 (50:29) Exactly.
Christine (50:29) They make this, you know, like A collar. (50:33) A collar so that you're
Speaker 3 (50:35) Protects your thyroid.
Christine (50:36) And everything. (50:37) And then yeah. (50:37) And they're aiming right for under your arm and where the your lymph nodes are in that. (50:42) You're supposed to and I think it used to take I had to go there five days a week for a month and have this radiation therapy. (50:50) And when they were doing that, I could not move.
Christine (50:53) Mhmm. (50:53) I was not allowed to move. (50:55) And I think one time, either I must have started to fall asleep or whatever, and I, like, jerked. (51:01) And I think I jerked my neck up enough for the radiation to hit my thyroid because it wasn't till after that that my thyroid was just, like, destroyed. (51:12) It was gone, and they caught it on a CT scan, I think.
Christine (51:16) I caught it, actually. (51:17) I was reading through my whole report, and I know I had symptoms, but a a lot of it, they would say, oh, well, you're getting older. (51:25) This is why, you know, you're losing your hair, and you feel tired all the time.
Speaker 3 (51:28) And yeah. (51:29) Yeah. (51:30) Bad aim. (51:30) They zapped you.
Christine (51:32) Well, I yeah.
Speaker 3 (51:33) Don't don't take blame for it, Chris. (51:35) You've been you've been through a lot. (51:37) Let's just say that somebody messed it up for you. (51:38) I don't need you I don't need you walking around with that burden too.
Christine (51:41) Okay. (51:41) Well, I just have to say when I did mention because I get checked once a year for cancer.
Speaker 3 (51:46) You know,
Christine (51:46) they check up on me. (51:48) And, I did say to that PA once about how I thought that that's how I got it, and she said, oh, no. (51:54) We're not gonna say that happened.
Speaker 3 (51:56) So No one's saying that. (51:58) Yeah. (51:59) Being that it's the anniversary of all your bad news, if you and I get done recording right now, I don't know, and, you know, you look outside and there's a SWAT team coming at you with guns and they're yelling your name and you're like, oh, I'm gonna get shot. (52:12) This is the end. (52:13) Do you go good life do you go, it could have been better?
Speaker 3 (52:17) Like, how do you think of your time?
Christine (52:18) Oh, I think I had an incredible life. (52:21) The the beginning was very hard, and that's maybe what made me a stronger person is I lived through, like, so much horrible things going on.
Speaker 3 (52:30) Yeah.
Christine (52:30) And and then when I met my husband, I mean, it took us a long time before we got married, but he got it from the beginning kinda. (52:40) Mhmm. (52:40) And he's really been helpful as far as like, he can look at me and go, oh, you're going low. (52:45) Yes. (52:45) Or if I'm bitchy or whatever, you know, it's like, well, high blood sugar,
Speaker 3 (52:49) just your blood doesn't get bitchy. (52:51) Her tolerance just changes for my bullshit.
Christine (52:54) That's probably it.
Speaker 3 (52:56) I said, well, it's crazy because you seem bitchy. (53:01) So
Christine (53:03) Yeah. (53:03) We're not supposed to use that word, you know.
Speaker 3 (53:05) No. (53:05) No. (53:05) No. (53:05) It's okay. (53:06) Whatever.
Speaker 3 (53:06) You're old enough. (53:07) You're grandfathered in on something. (53:08) You have to be. (53:09) So yeah. (53:10) Yeah.
Speaker 3 (53:10) I'm not supposed to use it, but I was using it because you used it. (53:13) You understand? (53:14) Yeah. (53:15) I was just agreeing with you. (53:16) You're the guest, so I'm I'm agreeing with you.
Christine (53:18) Okay. (53:18) Well, thank you.
Speaker 3 (53:19) No. (53:19) No problem. (53:19) It's no problem at all. (53:20) Oh my gosh. (53:21) So how's this conversation going for you?
Speaker 3 (53:23) Because at the beginning, right before we started, you scared me a little because you were like, I have plans for this. (53:28) But how's it going?
Christine (53:30) It's going very well.
Speaker 3 (53:31) Good.
Christine (53:31) I just I just wanna say that I think I was blessed and cursed by having so much medical knowledge and not being formally educated.
Speaker 3 (53:41) Yeah.
Christine (53:41) And I came a lot of well, here's the thing. (53:44) When I worked in medical records, I read thousands of charts, and then we would assign, you know, the diagnosis and the procedures to them. (53:53) I learned a lot about the different procedures, and that I would get myself in trouble because I'd go to doctors and say, well, I don't want this, but I want this. (54:01) And they'd, like, look at me like, who the hell do you think you are? (54:04) Why are you telling me this?
Speaker 3 (54:05) You say, read some books. (54:06) Yeah.
Christine (54:07) Right. (54:08) And then finally, one of my nurse one of my good friend nurse nurses said to me, she says, I never let any medical personnel know that I'm a nurse. (54:17) I just ask questions in a way that sound like, why are you doing this? (54:22) And so I kinda learned from her not to go at it from that angle.
Speaker 3 (54:28) Them think they're having the idea? (54:29) Yes. (54:30) But getting what you need?
Christine (54:31) Yes.
Speaker 3 (54:32) Yeah. (54:32) Also, that works when you're married too. (54:34) Right?
Christine (54:34) Sometimes.
Speaker 3 (54:35) Mhmm. (54:36) Sometimes. (54:36) I check my kids that way a lot.
Christine (54:39) Well, don't all parents?
Speaker 3 (54:41) Yeah. (54:41) You have to. (54:42) You can't tell anybody anything. (54:43) By the way, that's not just parenting. (54:45) Anytime you try to tell somebody something, right away, they're upset.
Speaker 3 (54:48) You know? (54:48) But you ask a question and then let them come to it on their own, and they're like, everyone's proud of themselves.
Christine (54:53) So Sure.
Speaker 3 (54:53) Whatever. (54:54) However it has to happen, you're just looking for good
Christine (54:55) care. (54:56) Yes.
Speaker 3 (54:57) Alright. (54:58) So Oh. (54:59) Go go ahead. (54:59) Go ahead. (54:59) Go ahead.
Speaker 3 (55:00) Want you to say a bunch of things. (55:01) Say whatever you want. (55:02) I I wanna tell you, Chris. (55:03) I'm having a lovely time talking to you. (55:05) I think this is very appropriate for my last episode recorded this year.
Speaker 3 (55:09) I'm feeling very lucky to have this conversation with you right now. (55:12) I'm not sharing it with you, but I'm sitting here feeling that way. (55:15) And, yeah, I just I feel really grateful in, in the moment to get to meet you and everyone else that I talked to this year. (55:22) I'm looking up at my calendar and thinking it's possible I had over 300 conversations this year with different people.
Christine (55:29) Bet you did. (55:30) Yeah. (55:30) And I have to tell you, I'm very flattered because I've listened to so many of your podcasts, and so many people have interesting stories. (55:37) No kidding. (55:38) It's just amazing.
Speaker 3 (55:39) Yeah. (55:39) Yeah. (55:39) No. (55:39) I'm I'm listening back to one today where a guy is telling me about his neighbor who built a twenty twenty one twentieth scale battleship that actually floated. (55:47) And I was like, what's the whole whole world's out of its mind.
Christine (55:51) You know what? (55:51) That sounds like something my husband would
Speaker 3 (55:53) wanna Yeah. (55:54) Yeah. (55:54) Yeah. (55:55) Oh my gosh. (55:56) But what'd you wanna say?
Speaker 3 (55:56) I'm sorry.
Christine (55:57) I just this is I can't explain why, but I think somehow I have my body has the ability to self heal. (56:04) I've had so many things go wrong, and, you know, I had all the joint stuff, you know, carpal tunnel, trigger finger, you name it. (56:13) And I never went for any surgeries for any of that, and eventually, it all went away. (56:18) So I I
Speaker 3 (56:19) You outlasted it?
Christine (56:20) Yes. (56:21) I guess so.
Speaker 3 (56:21) Do you have any other autoimmune issues? (56:23) No. (56:24) No? (56:24) How about in your family line? (56:25) Your mom, dad, brothers, sisters?
Christine (56:28) No. (56:28) I talked to my my sister about this. (56:31) We have more genetic. (56:32) We have, like, a genetic blood thing in our family.
Speaker 3 (56:35) Okay.
Christine (56:36) And then I will tell you though, when I first came down with diabetes, apparently, between the two families, it's like, where did this come from? (56:46) Who had diabetes in your family, and how did this happen? (56:49) And it wasn't until I was in my forties or fifties, and it must have been either it came from, apparently, my maternal grandmother's side of the family, and there was one uncle left who that would have been my mother's uncle.
Speaker 3 (57:03) Mhmm.
Christine (57:03) And I think eventually, they figured out that my grandmother either had cousins or some aunts or somebody who must have died before there was insulin, and they figured it was diabetes.
Speaker 3 (57:14) Type one there.
Christine (57:15) Yeah. (57:16) That
Speaker 3 (57:16) yeah. (57:17) Well, jeez, not something. (57:18) Oh, can I throw this in here real quick? (57:20) This is apropos of nothing, Christine. (57:21) But if anybody from the Smart Wool sock company is listening, I would love to rep you and sell some socks.
Speaker 3 (57:26) These things are awesome. (57:28) I would do it maybe just for free socks. (57:30) So if you wanna trade ads for free socks, let me know. (57:33) I got these for the holidays. (57:35) My son, I can't believe my son's like, here.
Speaker 3 (57:37) I got you socks for Christmas. (57:39) They're awesome. (57:39) I'm like, okay. (57:41) Thanks. (57:41) But he's not wrong.
Speaker 3 (57:42) They're really great. (57:43) Sorry. (57:43) I know that takes everything off case. (57:45) But, anyway, anyone's working at SmartWool, reach out, please. (57:48) I think I think we could sell some socks together.
Christine (57:51) That sounds like something my husband could use.
Speaker 3 (57:53) Yeah. (57:53) They're beaut they're, like, just really fit well, and they're warm, and I don't feel sweaty in them ever. (57:59) And my goodness. (58:00) I don't know what they cost. (58:02) The kids got a job.
Speaker 3 (58:03) You know what I mean? (58:03) But Yeah. (58:04) That's it. (58:05) Thank god he's got a job. (58:06) He actually got me a really nice Christmas present.
Christine (58:09) What?
Speaker 3 (58:10) And oh, you want me to tell you? (58:12) He he got me tickets to the Eagles game for he and I.
Christine (58:16) You're kidding.
Speaker 3 (58:17) As happy as I as soon as I got them, as happy as I was to think, oh, we're gonna go to the game together. (58:22) This is awesome. (58:23) There was part of me that was like, oh my god. (58:25) He can afford this. (58:26) Thank god.
Speaker 3 (58:27) Like like, do you know what I mean? (58:28) Like like, just like it felt like a weight lift. (58:30) And I was like, he bought an expensive gift for me. (58:33) He must be saving his money and and then doing okay. (58:36) Like, I was just so happy to think that he was okay.
Speaker 3 (58:39) Sure. (58:40) Know? (58:40) Don't know if that makes sense or not. (58:41) But
Christine (58:41) Well, yeah, that's what you want for your kids, so to eventually be on their own, but but, like, capable and thinking ahead.
Speaker 3 (58:50) I just, yeah, I just was happy to know that he was, like, stable. (58:54) Yeah. (58:54) You know? (58:54) So Sure. (58:55) Yeah.
Speaker 3 (58:55) Really cool. (58:56) And he knows good socks when he sees them, so bonus. (58:59) Smartwool. (59:00) Again, guys, go check them out. (59:01) They're not not a sponsor, but would love for them to be.
Speaker 3 (59:04) I got I got rid of got rid of is the wrong word. (59:07) I wouldn't wanna say that. (59:08) I'm not doing business with a g one anymore. (59:10) So, like, if you want, I could fill that I could fill that space with smart wool very easily.
Christine (59:15) Yeah. (59:15) Well alright.
Speaker 3 (59:17) Do you know anybody at the company, Chris?
Christine (59:20) I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (59:21) No.
Christine (59:21) I don't have that kind of pull.
Speaker 3 (59:22) But listen, a lot of people listen to this.
Christine (59:25) Oh, that's true.
Speaker 3 (59:25) I've said things out loud a number of times and gotten responses. (59:28) I once spoke to somebody who works, like, inside at Facebook by saying out loud, I'd like to speak to somebody who works at Facebook. (59:34) So I'm making a wish right now. (59:36) I'm using my wish up on smart wool socks.
Christine (59:38) Okay.
Speaker 3 (59:38) Okay. (59:40) What kind of socks do you like? (59:41) Do you like the short ones, or do like to pull them up?
Christine (59:44) No. (59:45) I'm better off now probably with the shorter ones.
Speaker 3 (59:48) Yeah. (59:48) How is it can I can I ask, like, you've been so candid here just about getting older in general? (59:55) Is it still the way it is for me and the way other people talk about it? (59:58) Like, do you bend over and struggle to pull on your shoes and think, this isn't me? (1:00:03) How is this happening to me?
Speaker 3 (1:00:05) Yes. (1:00:06) Is that that part doesn't go away.
Christine (1:00:08) No. (1:00:08) It doesn't. (1:00:09) And I have to say in the last couple years, my husband and I will wake up in the morning and, like, we just like, our bones ache.
Speaker 3 (1:00:16) Yeah.
Christine (1:00:17) And it's like it's not that we did anything that, you know, strenuous the day before or whatever. (1:00:23) It just yeah. (1:00:24) It's the natural part. (1:00:25) And I would say definitely, like, I if I turn my neck or something, you hear your neck creak. (1:00:30) It's like, yeah.
Speaker 3 (1:00:32) Do you ever joke with each other? (1:00:33) You're like, look. (1:00:33) Why don't we try to smother each other with a pillow or something? (1:00:36) Like, get the hell out of this. (1:00:38) No.
Speaker 3 (1:00:39) We're not Not to that point yet. (1:00:41) Do you do you wake up in
Scott Benner (1:00:42) the morning and think, I'm gonna need a minute,
Speaker 3 (1:00:45) or do you jump out of bed?
Christine (1:00:47) Can no. (1:00:47) Can I just tell you most mornings, especially since I've been retired, I am in bed for at least an hour or two drinking coffee, looking on my Kindle, looking up articles, reading different stuff? (1:00:59) I try to stay away from the news as much as I can. (1:01:02) But
Speaker 3 (1:01:02) How do you like being retired?
Christine (1:01:04) Oh, I love it. (1:01:06) I would say that I've been the happiest I've ever been since I was retired.
Speaker 3 (1:01:10) Oh, well, it's Chris's fault. (1:01:13) This is the last episode of the podcast. (1:01:14) That's perfect. (1:01:15) We're just starting to think about, like, you know, that next part of our life.
Christine (1:01:21) And Sure. (1:01:22) And Yeah. (1:01:22) And I have to say my husband and I started thinking of that, like, in our thirties, and we were able to retire when we were 55.
Speaker 3 (1:01:29) Wow. (1:01:31) I am gonna be 55 in a couple months. (1:01:32) I cannot retire yet.
Christine (1:01:34) No. (1:01:34) But maybe by 60.
Speaker 3 (1:01:36) Also, in fairness, I make a podcast. (1:01:38) It's not incredibly taxing. (1:01:43) I had to have a guy come out today to, like, a a problem in my house. (1:01:46) Right? (1:01:47) This guy had to come out to look at it.
Speaker 3 (1:01:49) My phone rings, 10:30. (1:01:52) I said I said, oh, I'm so sorry. (1:01:54) I'm like, is this Joe? (1:01:55) And he goes, yeah. (1:01:56) I said, Joe, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (1:01:57) I'm talking to you from the shower. (1:01:58) I apologize. (1:01:59) And he goes, we're we're out front. (1:02:00) And I went, oh. (1:02:02) I'm like, I thought so early?
Speaker 3 (1:02:04) But but but instead instead I said, just give me five minutes. (1:02:08) And the whole time until I went out to to let him in the house, all I thought was, man, I'm really lucky. (1:02:14) Like, I really am. (1:02:15) Like, I slept. (1:02:16) I I don't feel well today.
Speaker 3 (1:02:17) No big deal. (1:02:18) I slept a little longer.
Christine (1:02:19) Sure.
Speaker 3 (1:02:19) I got up, you know, took care of some things around the house, did what I needed to do, jumped in the at 10:30, I'm in the shower trying to get ready to record with somebody at noon. (1:02:27) You know what I mean? (1:02:28) But at the same time, I'm working, like, in between pretty constantly. (1:02:32) It's the face actually, you know, it's the Facebook group that takes up a lot of my time.
Christine (1:02:39) Yeah. (1:02:39) And I love how you or it's one of your moderators or whatever get in there and say, just stop doing this now.
Speaker 3 (1:02:46) Yeah. (1:02:46) Yeah. (1:02:46) We're we're no no bull I I I don't I don't have time for all that. (1:02:49) I watched a gentleman degrade yesterday in real time. (1:02:52) It was it was fascinating.
Speaker 3 (1:02:54) And it went from he tried to give away insulin. (1:02:59) And it was a real person who really just switched insulin and was like, hey. (1:03:02) I've got this Humalog. (1:03:03) I'd like to give it away. (1:03:04) Now I can't let him do that.
Speaker 3 (1:03:06) Like, Facebook won't let that happen. (1:03:08) It's it's bad for me if I let it happen. (1:03:11) It's you know, it creates a lot of scammers. (1:03:13) People right away are like, you know, I'll take it. (1:03:15) Like, send it to me.
Speaker 3 (1:03:16) Like, you know or or he could be a scammer where he's like, you know, like, just send me $20 for shipping and, like, take $20 off a bunch of different people. (1:03:24) I don't think he was, though. (1:03:25) I think he was a real person just trying to do a nice thing Sure. (1:03:28) Which I would have liked to have supported, but I can't. (1:03:30) So you go in.
Speaker 3 (1:03:31) You gently, like, look. (1:03:32) Hey. (1:03:32) We can't do this. (1:03:33) Like, I need you to delete the post. (1:03:36) And then he doesn't delete the post, so you delete the post.
Speaker 3 (1:03:39) So then he reposts again. (1:03:41) I guess I'm not allowed to do this. (1:03:43) And blah blah blah. (1:03:43) You could see him getting angry. (1:03:45) Then someone else jumps in and is like, stop being a baby and complaining.
Speaker 3 (1:03:48) And I'm like, oh my god. (1:03:49) Like, what is happening? (1:03:52) And so, you know, we, like, you know, settle up so that he can't just post again because he's just gonna keep posting about the insulin. (1:03:58) We wanna be able to cut it off first if it happens. (1:04:01) And then third time he tries to post, the the system stops him and he leaves the group.
Speaker 3 (1:04:06) Uh-huh. (1:04:06) And I was like, I watched in a four hour period, like an adult lose their mind. (1:04:12) Yeah. (1:04:14) Yeah. (1:04:14) It was fascinating.
Speaker 3 (1:04:16) Because I even said, hey. (1:04:16) Like, call your endo up and see if there's I'm sure your endo knows somewhere that can can use this insulin.
Christine (1:04:22) Or go to a homeless shelter or something and say, who who around here takes insulin?
Speaker 3 (1:04:26) Because you're about to ask people on Facebook who don't live anywhere near you. (1:04:30) Right? (1:04:30) Like so right. (1:04:31) So there's anyway, but that's not the point where everyone was being very supportive. (1:04:35) My point is is that he went from, like, I'd like to help some people to everybody can go fuck themselves in four hours.
Speaker 3 (1:04:41) And I was like, I'm like, what is happening? (1:04:44) And and then and at that, like, another person that jumped in who was, like, nasty to him for, like, no reason.
Christine (1:04:50) I was like Sure.
Speaker 3 (1:04:51) I was like, wow. (1:04:52) It's the human psyche is just awesome. (1:04:54) But, anyway, what you you don't realize is that that took up the time of three different people.
Christine (1:04:59) Oh, I bet.
Speaker 3 (1:05:00) Yeah. (1:05:01) It's not an easy thing to accomplish keeping a harmonious place online for people to talk to each other.
Christine (1:05:06) Well, when I look at what you all do sometimes, I'm like, how does he keep this up?
Speaker 3 (1:05:10) There's a lot of very nice people volunteering their time.
Christine (1:05:13) Yeah. (1:05:13) There there must be.
Speaker 3 (1:05:14) Smart, thoughtful people
Christine (1:05:16) Yeah.
Speaker 3 (1:05:16) That appreciate the podcast and what it does for people and what it's probably done for them in the past, and they're just trying to give back a little bit. (1:05:23) And they do it in a in a a stunning way. (1:05:26) Sure. (1:05:26) Like, just yeah. (1:05:27) I couldn't possibly, like, I sent them all a gift card recently, like, as a thank you.
Speaker 3 (1:05:32) And as I was sending it, I thought this is insulting. (1:05:34) It's such a little amount for what they've done. (1:05:36) And, like, you know, like, I don't I'm just certainly don't wanna insult them. (1:05:39) I can't afford to give them No. (1:05:41) More.
Speaker 3 (1:05:41) But at the same time, like, jeez, it doesn't come close to the amount of effort, time, or
Scott Benner (1:05:47) Well
Speaker 3 (1:05:47) or love and compassion they put into it.
Christine (1:05:49) I think it would be really hard to monetize what you do without behold being beholding to a certain entity, whatever that might be, and then yeah.
Speaker 3 (1:06:01) Yeah. (1:06:01) Well, you listen. (1:06:02) You can't monetize a Facebook group no matter what. (1:06:04) Right? (1:06:04) Like, it just it doesn't it's not set up for that.
Speaker 3 (1:06:06) But the truth is even if you did, then it would fail.
Christine (1:06:09) Right.
Speaker 3 (1:06:10) No one wants to I once worked at a credit union when I was in my twenties, and we were in a sales meeting talking about, like, ways to get people into the credit union. (1:06:18) And I said, why don't we put dog in a brown bag and write free dog on it? (1:06:22) I think because if it's free, people love it. (1:06:25) You know what I mean? (1:06:26) Yeah.
Speaker 3 (1:06:26) Like but you ask somebody to pay $5 for something that's worth a 100, and they'll go, I'm not up for that. (1:06:32) Yes. (1:06:32) If you're gonna help people, you have to you have to help them for free, or they'll stop themselves. (1:06:38) And so or or maybe they just wouldn't have the $5. (1:06:40) Like, one way or the other, I'm not interested in limiting anybody's access to the conversations and and everything else.
Speaker 3 (1:06:46) You know? (1:06:47) So I I mean, I offset it with ad sales. (1:06:49) It's just it's what I do, and it it's the only thing that works. (1:06:53) Well I didn't record 300 and some times this year and pay an editor and do all this on, like, the good graces of, like, you know, mother nature. (1:07:01) You know?
Speaker 3 (1:07:01) Like, somebody's gotta pay for all that. (1:07:03) And it's not you. (1:07:04) I don't want you to pay for it, Chris. (1:07:06) And I I can't pay for it. (1:07:07) If I was wealthy, I'd pay for it.
Speaker 3 (1:07:09) You know what I mean? (1:07:10) I won that
Christine (1:07:10) lot Monday.
Speaker 3 (1:07:11) Do you see that lot the lottery the other day? (1:07:13) 1,800,000,000.0?
Christine (1:07:14) Can you imagine what you could do with that money?
Speaker 3 (1:07:16) One person in Arkansas bought it. (1:07:18) Oh, one they're gonna buy Arkansas, I imagine.
Christine (1:07:21) I suppose.
Speaker 3 (1:07:22) Well, for 1,800,000,000.0, you could probably get the the state next to it too.
Christine (1:07:26) Hey. (1:07:26) While you're saying that, can I just say that one of the things that drove me crazy is in the eighties and probably into the nineties, I was going crazy because everything was devoted to, like, breast cancer and AIDS? (1:07:44) Mhmm. (1:07:45) And later, I come down with breast cancer, which is the ultimate kinda on me. (1:07:50) But I was like, where are the people screaming about diabetes?
Christine (1:07:53) And we and I would be writing to my congresspeople and saying, you have to start putting some money. (1:07:59) We need a cure. (1:08:01) You have to start putting some money here. (1:08:02) I see all these people coming into the hospital, you know, especially the old old guys who'd be smoking, and then they'd lose their leg and stuff. (1:08:10) And it was like, there's gotta be more education, and and Yeah.
Christine (1:08:14) It just
Speaker 3 (1:08:14) It's all Yeah. (1:08:15) That's all money too. (1:08:16) Right? (1:08:16) Like, you know, that whole, like, breast awareness thing is probably, you know, part of a bigger consortium of people trying to raise money so that their research is funded and and there's probably, you know, more people with cancer than there is with diabetes type one.
Christine (1:08:33) Well, you know? (1:08:33) Yes. (1:08:34) That is true also.
Speaker 3 (1:08:35) The way the world actually works is, you know, break everybody's head if you understood it, I imagine. (1:08:39) But I take your point. (1:08:40) Like, it would be lovely if there was more to it, but, also, play devil's advocate. (1:08:44) You guys you know, you're type one. (1:08:46) You have CGMs.
Speaker 3 (1:08:47) You have insulin pumps. (1:08:48) You have you know, they came up with faster insulin. (1:08:51) They're working on algorithms. (1:08:53) Like, there's an argument to be made from somebody else like, hey. (1:08:55) You're getting a lot already.
Christine (1:08:57) Oh, well and I will say, I don't I'm not sure there ever will be a cure.
Speaker 3 (1:09:01) Yeah.
Christine (1:09:02) But I I certainly, system is beats what was back then.
Speaker 3 (1:09:07) Yeah. (1:09:07) Chris is like, look. (1:09:08) If you want me to vote between what I was doing before and what I'm doing now, I I take now. (1:09:12) Thank you.
Christine (1:09:13) Exactly.
Speaker 3 (1:09:14) Well, listen. (1:09:14) If a cure comes, I think just based on the pure complexity of it and the amount of things we can't possibly, like, factor in in a human mind, it's gonna come through a computer is gonna figure it out if it if it gets figured out that way. (1:09:32) And Phil don't know that that's possible.
Christine (1:09:34) Right.
Speaker 3 (1:09:35) You know? (1:09:35) And in the world that I understand today, like, can I tell you that, you know, fifteen years from now, AI might not teach itself how to make better computing and blah blah blah? (1:09:45) And then one day, we just start asking it everything, and it's like, yeah. (1:09:48) Here. (1:09:48) You you know, like like, may maybe, but not with today's understanding of the world.
Speaker 3 (1:09:54) I mean and all these people are working on is like, oh, we're close. (1:09:57) We're close. (1:09:58) And, like, you know, listen. (1:09:59) I like your enthusiasm, but I don't see it coming. (1:10:02) And I have that horrible experience of interviewing a, a researcher, like, fifteen years ago.
Christine (1:10:08) Oh, yes.
Speaker 3 (1:10:08) And he's talking about, like, encapsulation back then, just, you know, putting a a pouch of cells inside of somebody. (1:10:15) And the the one question I asked him that I think has broke my heart forever, I said, let's say you had it all figured out and it worked today. (1:10:22) How long till I my kid can have it? (1:10:24) He's like, may maybe fifteen years. (1:10:27) I was like, so if it Yeah.
Speaker 3 (1:10:28) I was like, so if it worked today and you had it figured out today, maybe I could have it in fifteen years. (1:10:33) And he's like, yeah. (1:10:34) You know, because of production, you gotta get the cells, he's, like, talking about all that. (1:10:37) Here's what that makes me think about, Chris. (1:10:39) Like, because and you've lived through a big change in technology, bigger than the one I lived through.
Speaker 3 (1:10:45) Right? (1:10:45) Like, I mean, if you were born in what were you born in? (1:10:48) '52? (1:10:49) Yes. (1:10:50) Look at me with the mask still.
Speaker 3 (1:10:51) So if you were born in '52, you drove in cars where air was coming through the floor while
Scott Benner (1:10:57) you were driving.
Christine (1:10:57) Oh, yeah.
Speaker 3 (1:10:58) Right?
Christine (1:10:58) Without seat without seat belts.
Speaker 3 (1:11:00) Seat belts. (1:11:01) No power steering. (1:11:02) No power brakes. (1:11:03) Your mom was probably, like, stomping on that goddamn thing to get it to stop. (1:11:06) You know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (1:11:07) Like, no kidding. (1:11:08) Right? (1:11:09) And you went from that to what? (1:11:12) Tube televisions? (1:11:13) Like, you probably had a one of the first TVs, but you were broke.
Speaker 3 (1:11:17) Maybe you didn't even have one.
Christine (1:11:18) Well, I have to say back then, it was barely black and white. (1:11:22) They were just coming off of radios, really.
Speaker 3 (1:11:25) Right.
Christine (1:11:25) And and that was the early part of TV. (1:11:27) And then, yes, we finally did get a colored TV when I was a little bit older, and I think my grandparents might have
Speaker 3 (1:11:34) helped. (1:11:35) What was TV? (1:11:36) Like, uncle Milty and
Christine (1:11:38) Oh, yeah.
Speaker 3 (1:11:38) Like that. (1:11:39) Right?
Christine (1:11:39) Oh, sure. (1:11:40) The honeymooners.
Speaker 3 (1:11:41) Yeah. (1:11:41) Honeymooners, uncle that that stuff. (1:11:43) Right? (1:11:43) There's, three TV shows. (1:11:45) And my point my point is is then you live into tubes, into transistors, into personal computers, into cell phones.
Speaker 3 (1:11:53) I mean, seriously, do you remember the first time somebody had one of those bagged cell phones? (1:11:57) You were probably like, this is magic.
Christine (1:11:59) Yes.
Speaker 3 (1:12:00) Yeah. (1:12:01) Exact right. (1:12:01) And now today, you know, I'm saying to you, still in your lifetime, why don't you go sit down in a prompt and talk through your your thing and see if it'll maybe, like, pull an answer out for you that you could take back to your doctor? (1:12:12) That's a real thing. (1:12:13) And so, you know but every time
Christine (1:12:16) You're spurring me on here.
Speaker 3 (1:12:18) Get you on a pump. (1:12:19) Watch what I do. (1:12:20) But, like but my my point about talking about it in the timeline is there's there's moments in time where everything seems like the most amazing thing. (1:12:30) But when you look back five years, you don't really use it anymore the way that we thought we were going to. (1:12:35) It all kinda commingles into something else.
Speaker 3 (1:12:38) And I think that sometimes the promise of it never comes to be. (1:12:42) Yes. (1:12:43) I think there are times that we're so busy expanding and trying to find the next thing that we don't bother putting the thing we have into practice.
Christine (1:12:53) True.
Speaker 3 (1:12:53) You know what I mean? (1:12:54) Like, that it's a bigger idea, but, like, I see that in technology through my lifetime. (1:12:59) I think this possibly is the first time we're gonna get to the end if it works, if it doesn't kill us all like in that Terminator movie.
Christine (1:13:08) Yeah. (1:13:08) That's right.
Speaker 3 (1:13:09) And listen. (1:13:09) And if it does, what the hell? (1:13:11) You know?
Christine (1:13:11) Could happen at I grew up, you know, during the Cold War when we were assured that we were gonna
Speaker 3 (1:13:19) be bombed and we were all
Christine (1:13:20) gonna that was gonna be it.
Speaker 3 (1:13:22) You know? (1:13:22) Right.
Christine (1:13:23) And then my my dad this is my dad had a sense of humor. (1:13:25) He'd say, them drop the bomb on this house, and then it'll all be over.
Speaker 3 (1:13:31) So He's like, I'm looking for a way out of this. (1:13:33) I I'll tell you right now. (1:13:35) I'm taking Adam bomb. (1:13:36) Let's go.
Christine (1:13:37) Truly.
Speaker 3 (1:13:38) Yeah. (1:13:38) It's a shit show your life. (1:13:39) I imagine he thought that a couple of times in that wheelchair. (1:13:43) But no. (1:13:43) But seriously, like, with the with the AI, like, this is the first time it's gonna grow fast enough and not need us to understand it to keep growing.
Speaker 3 (1:13:53) And, like, maybe that actually gets us to something. (1:13:55) And I also understand all the bad things that could possibly happen too. (1:13:58) But, like, maybe this is the dice roll time. (1:14:01) Like, maybe you just say, like, we can't keep up with it. (1:14:05) Right?
Speaker 3 (1:14:05) Because somebody comes up with something in 1970, and they spend ten years trying to understand it, And then ten more years trying to perfect it. (1:14:14) By the time they've done that, it's over. (1:14:15) It's gone already.
Christine (1:14:16) Yes. (1:14:17) Yes.
Speaker 3 (1:14:17) And they've wasted their whole damn life on it. (1:14:20) And then you look forward, and no one's even they've built off of it, but they're not using it anymore. (1:14:26) And then it took up someone's whole life just to have an, an understanding of it like that that didn't in the end end up helping that many people. (1:14:34) Like, this is my hope right here. (1:14:36) Like like, I think this could do it.
Speaker 3 (1:14:39) And if I'm wrong, then I'm wrong. (1:14:41) Or if it's earlier than I think it is, then it's earlier than I think it is. (1:14:44) But, like, this to me makes a lot of sense about, like, what could possibly happen moving forward. (1:14:50) And you gotta stop being afraid. (1:14:52) Everyone needs to have been born in 1952 and have their husband tell him it's okay.
Speaker 3 (1:14:56) Yeah. (1:14:56) And we'll be alright. (1:14:57) What's that like, Chris? (1:14:59) Is that comforting? (1:15:00) Because, you know, younger women would be like, I don't listen to that guy.
Speaker 3 (1:15:04) But, like, do you find it comforting?
Christine (1:15:06) Well, I trust my husband's judgment on so many things that, yes, I guess I do. (1:15:11) And the stuff that I don't really care about, I I figure, well, he's right unless I go investigate it. (1:15:17) And then I'll come back and say, well, I I disagree, blah blah blah or whatever. (1:15:20) So but, no, to me, it's yeah. (1:15:23) It's very comforting.
Speaker 3 (1:15:25) You've been together a long time. (1:15:26) He hasn't led you wrong. (1:15:28) No. (1:15:28) Good to trust him. (1:15:30) Yeah.
Speaker 3 (1:15:30) Is my wife listening to this? (1:15:32) No. (1:15:33) She's not, by the way. (1:15:34) Nobody listens to my podcast in my family.
Christine (1:15:36) I'll tell you this. (1:15:37) I'm not sure how many of my friends or family will listen to this. (1:15:40) No.
Speaker 3 (1:15:41) Of course not. (1:15:41) Yeah. (1:15:42) A whole a whole hour of you, they're like, ugh, it's enough.
Christine (1:15:44) Yeah. (1:15:45) And here's the other thing. (1:15:46) People are so busy with their own lives and whatever is going on in their lives
Speaker 3 (1:15:51) Yeah.
Christine (1:15:52) That to sit down and be able to sit and listen to something, it's very difficult.
Speaker 3 (1:15:57) Yeah. (1:15:57) I I I and also the way content is, like, given to people nowadays. (1:16:02) Like, you know, you when you and I got on, you were like, oh my god. (1:16:05) This was a lot to get set up. (1:16:06) I mean, you know, between you and me and Chris, you were jumping on Zoom.
Speaker 3 (1:16:09) Most people don't have trouble with that.
Christine (1:16:10) I know.
Speaker 3 (1:16:12) You looked at me like, that's enough. (1:16:14) I've I got on. (1:16:15) Like, let's just stop now. (1:16:18) But it just is generational and and all the other things that you've mentioned, getting slower, getting older, like, you know, everything else that comes with it.
Christine (1:16:26) Sure.
Speaker 3 (1:16:26) Yeah. (1:16:26) Alright. (1:16:27) Well, I I hope for a world where your insulin pump is driving your blood sugars and your car is driving you to go visit people and you Great. (1:16:34) You know, and and some computer tells you what's wrong and and tells you take this or do that, and it's all gonna be better. (1:16:40) That's what I'm hoping for.
Christine (1:16:42) Sounds great.
Speaker 3 (1:16:43) Yeah. (1:16:43) Let's get that. (1:16:44) I want that. (1:16:45) I just wanna say I want that. (1:16:47) Yeah.
Speaker 3 (1:16:47) In case I've been ambiguous and you're listening. (1:16:50) I'm I'm I look. (1:16:52) I'm willing to roll the dice on the destruction of the planet to see if we can get to this Because what I've been doing for the last fifty four years, it ain't that great. (1:17:04) Wanna get that in the next thing, Chris. (1:17:05) Alright.
Speaker 3 (1:17:06) Hold on one second for you. (1:17:07) You're really terrific. (1:17:07) Happy New Year.
Christine (1:17:08) Thank you. (1:17:09) Happy New Year.
Speaker 3 (1:17:10) Yep.
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