#1723 Emma's Dad - Part 1
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Chris returns to redeem himself after episode 1600, discussing resilience, family health improvements, AI in diabetes care, and an unbelievable story about inheriting land and a battleship.
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Scott Benner (0:00) Hello, friends, and welcome to the Juice Box podcast. (0:03) As we wrap up 2025, here's the old friends, new stories, and everything we've learned along the way.
Chris (0:23) My name is Chris. (0:25) I'm Emma's dad from episode 1,600 Into the Woods, and I'm here to sort of follow-up and redeem myself for all the nasty things she said about me in that episode.
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Chris (2:17) My name is Chris. (2:19) I'm Emma's dad from episode 1,600 Into the Woods. (2:24) And I'm here to sort of follow-up and redeem myself for all the nasty things she said about me in that episode.
Scott Benner (2:32) Well, that you're bringing it right back to me, actually. (2:36) Hey. (2:37) She gave it to you good. (2:38) That was fun. (2:39) Yeah.
Scott Benner (2:39) You you took it in, in good humor, I imagine?
Chris (2:42) Oh, yeah. (2:42) We have a very, I don't know if playful is the right word. (2:46) We have a good relationship. (2:48) We're very open, and, we have a good time. (2:50) So we're always we're always giving each other crap.
Scott Benner (2:52) She was excellent. (2:53) So if you're enjoying Chris, and you wanna hear Emma, she is in episode 1,600. (2:57) It and like Chris said, it's called Into the Woods. (3:00) So well, I'm at an advantage because I, of course, just remember that a little girl came on and busted her dad's balls, and I don't remember anything else. (3:09) So I'll be able to talk to you as if, as if I'm I'm not burdened by the by the backstory.
Chris (3:14) Awesome.
Scott Benner (3:15) I was just at a thing yesterday. (3:18) I was giving a talk at a for, you know, a company, and just kind of a motivational thing. (3:24) They had they kind of had, like, talk I don't know if they were talking, but say questions that they wanted to ask me. (3:28) They definitely weren't talking much. (3:29) There were questions they wanted to ask me.
Scott Benner (3:31) And then, you know, we met for, you know, a couple of times before I went out there. (3:35) You know, what what do you think your answer is to this question? (3:37) I would tell them, and and we get into a meeting, like, you know, a couple weeks later, and they'd say, what are the what you know, let's go over it again. (3:42) We'll transfer that question. (3:43) I'd say something different.
Scott Benner (3:45) And and they'd say, that that's not what you said last time. (3:48) Was like, well, that's what it made me think of today. (3:50) You know, I'm sitting there waiting for them to call me up, and I just kept thinking, like, I wonder what I'm gonna say. (3:56) I never know. (3:57) So we get up there and and I start talking, and and I told them, I'm like, I have an outline here.
Scott Benner (4:03) I said, I know there are people in the room who worked hard on it. (4:05) I I have to be honest with you. (4:07) I don't know how I'm gonna do following it. (4:10) I don't remember. (4:10) Like, standing here right now, I don't know.
Scott Benner (4:13) I have no idea what's about to happen. (4:15) And people looked at me a little weirdly. (4:17) You know, it's kind of a corporate thing where you could tell they had made sure they were delivering the messages they wanted to send from different departments and whatnot. (4:23) It was really well done, really, like, very professional. (4:26) And they kinda looked at me strangely, and and that's when I told them, I don't know who I'm talking to before I record the podcast.
Scott Benner (4:33) And that really flipped people out. (4:36) Anyway
Chris (4:36) Yeah. (4:37) Well, I I I agree with you. (4:38) I I love the approach. (4:39) I mean, I've listened to a lot of a lot of the episodes. (4:42) I think Emma actually mentioned it in her episodes that I stumbled into the podcast way immediately when she was diagnosed.
Chris (4:50) I was away at a work trip. (4:52) I got a call from my wife, and she said that Emma had type one diabetes, and I had absolutely no idea what that meant. (4:58) That's actually what I said. (4:59) I said, I I don't know what that means. (5:01) I feel like I'm supposed to be shocked.
Chris (5:03) I had no idea. (5:04) I listened to a lot of podcasts, so I just opened up opened up my podcast player and searched for diabetes, and yours was the first one. (5:10) So I started listening from the beginning.
Scott Benner (5:12) Isn't that something? (5:13) How that works? (5:13) Yeah. (5:14) Yeah. (5:14) Anyway, I I think this you know, it'll be interesting to to get the other side of it.
Scott Benner (5:18) Do you wanna trash your daughter at any point? (5:20) Like, I mean, how
Chris (5:21) Oh, absolutely. (5:21) I'm still I'm still trying to to plan on exactly how to do that. (5:25) I did ask her before I dropped her off at school this morning if there was anything that was absolutely off limits that I wasn't allowed to talk about. (5:33) So there's a couple things that I won't be able to say, but I don't know. (5:35) Well, I'm sure throughout the conversation, I'll find somewhere to It's very my fair.
Chris (5:39) Comeback. (5:40) Very, very
Scott Benner (5:40) So tell me a little bit about that. (5:43) You're in that hotel room. (5:45) How long were you there for by the time she called, and how long did you have to stay afterwards?
Chris (5:50) Yeah. (5:50) Real quick. (5:51) I'll I'll start with, she had a story about the bees. (5:54) She fell into some bees, and that sort of led to her diagnosis.
Scott Benner (5:57) Mhmm.
Chris (5:58) Just the the lead up to that. (5:59) It was a couple of months. (6:00) We don't know if that's what triggered it or whatever, but she'd been sort of acting out of character. (6:04) She was just always a great kid. (6:06) We have three kids.
Chris (6:07) They're all absolutely awesome, happy, fun kids, and she just wasn't herself. (6:10) She had just started going to daycare, and she was a monster, I guess, is the the way to put it. (6:15) Like, I'm like, I don't know who this kid is. (6:17) We would drop her off, and she would be crying. (6:20) And we felt terrible leaving her because my wife stays at home with the kids, which is awesome that we're able to do for them.
Chris (6:26) And but, you know, she wanted to get her socialized and get her around some other kids.
Scott Benner (6:30) Yeah.
Chris (6:31) We feel terrible that she's just doesn't wanna be there, she's crying. (6:34) And it's so unusual because she's such a great kid who's always laughing and loves to play with other kids. (6:41) So we drop her off and she'd be crying. (6:42) We'd pick her up and she'd be crying. (6:43) And, I mean, we could as we'd pull into the parking lot, we could hear the screams from outside.
Chris (6:48) It was awful. (6:49) Absolutely heartbreaking. (6:51) And she was really tired. (6:53) And my wife and I or my wife and and Emma went on a trip just just a couple days before diagnosis, and I had a work trip planned. (7:02) So I was a couple hours away, and they were in in Rhode Island.
Chris (7:07) And Molly called a couple times and said, I think I might take her to the doctor. (7:10) She's just really tired. (7:12) She's, like, lethargic. (7:13) All she wants to do is is just lay around and and drink juice. (7:18) She loved Capri Sun.
Chris (7:19) So, you know, right up to diagnosis, she was just rocking back the Capri Sun nonstop because she was so thirsty and wetting diapers, like, we had never seen. (7:29) And they were visiting her sister, and they had just got one of those brand new, like, ghost beds, These, like, $3,000 super nice beds. (7:36) And they let Emma take a nap in there. (7:39) And, of course, she peed completely through her diaper and all through that brand new ghost bed. (7:45) That was awesome.
Scott Benner (7:46) Did you have to buy a new one?
Chris (7:48) I don't know. (7:48) My my sister-in-law I I believe she probably did, if I had to guess. (7:53) But she said, holy cow. (7:54) I've never seen a kid pee so much. (7:56) What?
Chris (7:57) Does she have diabetes? (7:58) And we didn't think anything of it. (8:01) But after the diagnosis a couple days later, we thought that was pretty funny.
Scott Benner (8:04) How did your sister-in-law come up with that? (8:06) Do you know?
Chris (8:07) I don't know. (8:08) I think I if I'm not mistaken, I think her mom has type two.
Scott Benner (8:11) Okay.
Chris (8:12) So they knew the signs of high blood sugar being, you know, excess urination and whatnot.
Scott Benner (8:16) That would mean your wife's mom had type two.
Chris (8:18) And not my wife's mom. (8:19) It was my my sister-in-law. (8:21) So my oh oh, but so my let's see. (8:24) My wife's sister is of the other sexual preference. (8:27) So Oh, I gotcha.
Chris (8:29) She has a wife. (8:29) So I
Scott Benner (8:30) I see. (8:31) Also, that wouldn't have meant anything. (8:32) I I did familiar math completely wrong. (8:35) It could have been your wife's brother's wife.
Chris (8:38) Yeah. (8:38) Yeah. (8:38) Somewhere right now.
Scott Benner (8:39) So so
Chris (8:40) some remote family member.
Scott Benner (8:41) Yeah.
Chris (8:42) That's kinda what led up to us being like, alright. (8:44) We need to we need to go to the doctor and figure out what's going on. (8:47) Okay. (8:47) Then I got the call, and I started listening to I think it was episode two. (8:52) It was the the one somebody from Dancing With The Stars, maybe?
Scott Benner (8:56) Oh, yeah. (8:57) Oh, god. (8:57) It's funny. (8:58) I just brought him up. (8:58) He was actually on American Idol.
Chris (9:01) Yeah. (9:01) That's what it was.
Scott Benner (9:02) And his dad no. (9:03) His uncle was super famous.
Chris (9:06) Yeah. (9:06) Yeah. (9:07) I don't remember. (9:07) I yeah. (9:08) I had completely forgotten that.
Scott Benner (9:09) His uncle was Carlos Santana.
Chris (9:11) Oh, that's right.
Scott Benner (9:12) Yeah. (9:13) Yeah. (9:13) Yeah.
Chris (9:13) Adam something maybe.
Scott Benner (9:14) Adam. (9:15) Can't. (9:15) Adam Lasher. (9:16) Oh my god. (9:16) Adam Lasher.
Scott Benner (9:17) You got me too, Chris. (9:18) Thank I Sweet. (9:19) It's so funny. (9:20) Yesterday, I somebody asked me what was the first episode you ever did, I told them that I had this kinda cockamamie idea that I was gonna read my blog into a microphone, and that's what I thought the podcast was going to be. (9:31) And then I tried it and very quickly, like, literally within minutes was I I said to myself, like, I wouldn't even list this.
Scott Benner (9:36) This is terrible. (9:37) And in that time between me trying that and not knowing what to do, I had a podcast that was online and ready to go and no content for it, and this kid pops up on American Idol. (9:49) And I very much said yesterday, I don't know where I got the nerve for this. (9:53) Like, I reached out to him. (9:54) I was like, you wanna be on my diabetes podcast?
Scott Benner (9:55) And I didn't say the rest of it, like, that I've never made before. (9:58) And he said yes. (9:59) And that that's how that very oddly placed interview is at the very beginning of the podcast.
Chris (10:06) Oh, it's awesome.
Scott Benner (10:06) And I
Chris (10:07) mean, you hooked me on on day one. (10:09) So I Cool. (10:10) You know, I listened to that and a few other episodes on my on my couple hour ride home to meet my wife at the what I thought was going to be the hospital. (10:16) Right before I got home, I got a call saying that she they were sending her home. (10:21) So the reason that Emma doesn't remember anything about her her hospital stay was that there wasn't one, which is really cool.
Chris (10:28) So what it what it ended up ended up happening is they brought her into the pediatrician, and where we live, the pediatrician's office and the diabetes pediatric diabetes clinic are in the same building, which is pretty convenient in this case. (10:41) So they went into the doctor, and the first thing that the doctor said was, this kinda looks like diabetes. (10:47) So they went and they they did a, you know, blood glucose. (10:50) And I can't remember how high it was, but her a one c was, like, 14.1, if I remember right. (10:55) So it was up there.
Chris (10:57) And but she wasn't in DKA. (11:00) So they gave her some insulin, and it just turned out to it also happened to be that the diabetes specialist was Molly's child my wife's childhood pediatrician. (11:10) Oh. (11:11) So they had instant rapport. (11:13) You know, she walked into the room and said, oh, Corey, like, I haven't seen you in years.
Chris (11:17) And it just turned out to be that so they had they had rapport. (11:20) Emma responded really well to to insulin. (11:23) They gave her some Humalog rate in the office, and he could tell that that Molly could handle that type of stuff. (11:28) So he gave her just a real basic, like, you know, let's do a 10 to one carb ratio, and here's the don't die advice. (11:34) Stick it up on your refrigerator.
Chris (11:36) Call us if you have any questions. (11:37) And they sent her home, like, three or four hours after being there.
Scott Benner (11:41) Okay.
Chris (11:41) And and then they said, okay. (11:42) We're gonna have to go back in tomorrow, and we'll have some education. (11:46) So we went, and we had that Pink Panther book, of course. (11:49) So I'd, like, stayed up all night and read that Pink Panther book, and, I still don't remember a single word of what was in it. (11:55) I just remember the cover of it.
Chris (11:57) We went to training the next day and and, you know, learned the basics. (12:01) And then I was listening to the podcast at the same time. (12:05) So within a month, I knew I wanted a Dexcom. (12:09) And I brought it up to the the CDEs that were in the office, and they said, yeah. (12:13) You know, you you definitely do want that, but we have a rule here.
Chris (12:16) You kinda gotta go for a year without having you know, just on injections. (12:21) So I ended up calling the Dexcom and Omnipod reps. (12:25) And I don't know exactly how, but they thought that I was some sort of representative or something. (12:31) I'm not really sure what it was.
Scott Benner (12:32) Okay.
Chris (12:32) But they ended up calling the office and talking to to Corey. (12:37) They sort of laughed about the miscommunication thinking that I was looking for supplies to sort of become a reseller or something like that or that I was an educator. (12:45) I guess it made them all have a conversation, and they could tell that that we could handle it, and Emma was a tough kid. (12:50) So, like, I don't know, about two months in, we we ended up getting, getting on Dexcom and and Omnipod.
Scott Benner (12:56) Even if they wanted you to do MDI for year, why couldn't you do MDI with a Dexcom?
Chris (13:01) Probably could. (13:01) It was just that's the way they they were. (13:03) Like yeah. (13:04) I guess so not just MDI, but MDI and manual finger sticks. (13:08) They'd like to make people wake up at 2AM is what I think it is.
Chris (13:11) Yeah. (13:11) Like, to just punish them a little bit. (13:13) Seems to be
Scott Benner (13:14) I understand the concept. (13:15) I think it's misguided to some degree.
Chris (13:16) Oh oh, I yeah. (13:18) I mean, I've I've heard you talk about it many times on here, and I I couldn't agree more. (13:22) Like, I don't really know why they don't just stick a Dexcom on day one. (13:26) Emma sort of talked about the diagnosis of her cousin. (13:29) Like, he was over for Thanksgiving.
Chris (13:31) His girlfriend was talking about, he was peeing a lot and, you know, being grumpy and all that sort of stuff. (13:37) So we tested his blood sugar, it was, like, 500. (13:39) So, it was it was Thanksgiving on a Friday night. (13:43) So, the the hospital systems here are kind of in decay. (13:48) You know, it's every week they're they're talking about shutting down.
Chris (13:52) They've closed most of the ambulatory and walk in clinics. (13:54) Like, it's it's kind of rough. (13:56) So we knew he wasn't gonna get the best the best care if he went in. (14:00) We have mountains of supplies, so, you know, we we kind of and he actually did a paper when he was in college on type one diabetes because of Emma. (14:08) So he's he's sort of, like, been close to it.
Chris (14:11) Mhmm. (14:11) So we just sort of hung out and showed him how it all worked. (14:13) And so in a you know, over the weekend, he got his blood sugar back into range and, you know, I threw a g seven on him, and and he had all that to go into the the clinic. (14:23) And, of course, as you would imagine, he got faced with, we don't think you have diabetes because your blood sugar is in range.
Scott Benner (14:28) Because I fixed it over the weekend.
Chris (14:30) Yeah. (14:30) Yeah. (14:31) So it was a struggle. (14:32) It took, like, I think, three or four months for him to get a diagnosis.
Scott Benner (14:36) What part of the country?
Chris (14:38) We live in Maine.
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Scott Benner (17:03) Learn more and get started today with my link, medtronicdiabetes.com/juicebox. (17:09) Are you the story with the you helped the gentleman who's gonna bequeath his land to you one day?
Chris (17:15) Yeah. (17:15) I think that's probably why you called it into the woods. (17:17) Yes. (17:18) Yeah. (17:18) Yeah.
Chris (17:18) Yeah.
Scott Benner (17:18) Oh my god. (17:19) That's awesome.
Chris (17:20) Yeah. (17:21) That's a crazy story. (17:22) Yeah. (17:22) I'll give a little little little short version of it here. (17:24) Right.
Chris (17:25) So I'm in IT. (17:26) You and I talked a little bit last time about, you know, doing some AI stuff and whatnot. (17:29) Right. (17:29) But I've I've done IT stuff forever. (17:31) I used to work at Circuit City.
Chris (17:32) I built these custom computers, so people would come in and Circuit City sold computers, but I would, like, take them apart and drum a hole in the side and put in plexiglass and flashy lights.
Scott Benner (17:42) And, you
Chris (17:42) know, I'd make these gaming computers and upgrade them. (17:44) Mhmm. (17:44) This guy came in one day and he this grumpy old old New York guy, sick accent and he he says, I wanna talk to the guy that built that computer. (17:54) So I talked to him and he says, I I wanna start playing video games. (17:57) I want that computer.
Chris (17:59) But I want it for half the price because you're gonna come out to my house and I'm gonna pay you cash. (18:03) And, I mean, I was, like, you know, 20 years old and I was like, oh oh, okay. (18:07) Sure. (18:08) That sounds great. (18:08) So I went out and showed him how to play video games, built him some computers and helped him with miscellaneous tech stuff.
Chris (18:15) Like, he was really into music, so I'd help him set up different audio systems and showed him how to convert from VHS to DVD and just miscellaneous stuff while helping him play games. (18:26) He was just an eccentric guy. (18:28) He built a battleship. (18:30) He had airplane runway, like, right on his land out here, and he he bought the land for, like, $3,000 just almost by accident back in the seventies.
Scott Benner (18:39) Okay.
Chris (18:39) Just farm farm land, and he built an, runway on it, and he flew his plane in, he built a cabin. (18:44) Then he retired at at, like, 42 and turned it into a bed and breakfast and just built this, like, really cool place and lived out his his days just playing video games and doing miscellaneous hobbies and shooting guns and just a really fascinating guy. (18:59) So I always hung around, but, there was really nobody else in his life, just him and his wife. (19:04) And when he got sick and died a couple of years ago, he sort of said, Chris, I need somebody to take care of my wife. (19:09) You've got a couple of young boys, and, you I was kinda hoping maybe you'd help out.
Chris (19:13) And I, of course, said, absolutely. (19:15) We'd love to help. (19:16) Like, we're kinda caregiving, voluntary type people. (19:19) We do a lot of stuff with animals and whatnot. (19:21) Plus, he has a whole pile of Shih Tzu dogs, and they they loved us anyway.
Chris (19:25) So it just sort of happened naturally. (19:28) He passed away three weeks later, which was just unbelievable. (19:33) So, I kinda went out there and stayed a lot of the time and helped his wife through hospice care and whatnot. (19:39) And then we just continue to take care of the place. (19:42) And then as as Emma had mentioned just, I don't know, a year or so ago, she sort of dropped the news on us that they're leaving the land to us, which is absolutely insane.
Chris (19:52) It's like a like a fairy tale. (19:54) For years, I went out here and looked at this guy's beautiful land, and he'd always look at me and say, boy, isn't this isn't this beautiful? (19:59) Isn't this the place you'd like to live in? (20:01) You know? (20:01) And he'd always just sort of say that stuff, but I had no idea that, like, this grumpy old guy
Scott Benner (20:06) Was measuring you up.
Chris (20:07) Yeah. (20:08) Yeah. (20:08) And that's that's sort of what he said. (20:10) He's just like, you you know you you know how things run around here. (20:13) I understand how your brain works, and I know you're a good guy.
Chris (20:15) And yeah. (20:17) So that's that's the story.
Scott Benner (20:18) Even my wife when I couldn't do it myself, and here's here's the way I'm gonna say thank you.
Chris (20:24) Absolutely. (20:24) How many acres? (20:26) It's a a 102 acres.
Scott Benner (20:28) Wow. (20:28) That's really awesome. (20:30) Yeah. (20:31) It's nice you to tell his story because it could just I like the way he just seems to effortlessly move through his life and make big changes and shifts. (20:41) The only thing I didn't understand about your story was he built a battleship.
Scott Benner (20:44) What what are you telling me?
Chris (20:45) Oh, yeah. (20:45) That that was one of the coolest things. (20:47) It it's still out there. (20:48) He built the the German battleship, the Graf Spey, which I believe was, like, the first battle the first ship sunk in World War two, maybe.
Scott Benner (20:55) Okay.
Chris (20:56) But he just in his in his basement, he I I mean, there was no YouTube or anything to figure it out from back then. (21:02) He didn't have a background in it. (21:04) He just decided he was gonna build a battleship. (21:07) So he started off he was just gonna build a large model, and he ended up building, I don't remember the exact measure the exact size. (21:15) I think it's maybe, like, a one one twentieth scale or something like that, but it was, like, a 18 foot little mini battleship.
Chris (21:23) And he went to the extent of having he had he put all the little guns and the little people on it and all the rigging, but it was big enough that he was actually able to sit in it. (21:33) So he would play, like, what is it? (21:35) Rise of the Valkyries. (21:36) It was, you know, some classical music. (21:37) He'd just blare it while he'd ride around the lakes of Maine in this little battleship with war flags hanging from it.
Scott Benner (21:43) Wait. (21:43) You just Now you're telling me it floated?
Chris (21:46) Oh, it floated, and he drove it and brought it all over all over the state, all over New England, and it's it's in a museum. (21:53) I helped him sell it to a museum up in, up in Canada, and that's where it is now.
Scott Benner (21:59) Yeah. (21:59) Something. (21:59) That's really insane. (22:01) Oh, well, it's lovely. (22:02) So do you live I'm sorry.
Scott Benner (22:03) No. (22:04) Please. (22:04) What were you gonna say?
Chris (22:05) Oh, all I was gonna say is a fascinating side story to that is when we were trying to figure out what to do with this boat, he had me call the place that the ship was actually sunk. (22:15) I think it's called Monte Vaddeo, somewhere down in, like, Central America. (22:20) Mhmm. (22:20) And I couldn't call them, but I I I found their email address for, like, the naval base. (22:24) And I sent them a message, and it explained everything that this, you know, that this guy had built this this boat by hand, and he's looking for a place to sort of show it off so that it it lives out through history.
Chris (22:35) And the response I got that I never shared with him because I didn't wanna I didn't wanna break his heart, they said, the only thing we do with that boat is sink it so it could be right down there next to the other one. (22:45) Oh, I know. (22:47) I was like, wow. (22:48) Okay. (22:49) That's thank you for your time.
Chris (22:51) Yeah. (22:52) Yep. (22:53) Because I'm gonna ask
Scott Benner (22:53) you a question. (22:54) I don't find myself asking men that often. (22:57) Sure. (22:58) This is just my, my remembrance of me making the podcast. (23:01) Why are you such a nice person?
Chris (23:03) Oh, let's see. (23:05) I I think it's because I'll relate it to some of your your podcast episodes. (23:11) I think it's because I, score almost a perfect 10 on the Aces, and I, for some reason, got the resilience side of it.
Scott Benner (23:20) Ah, and none of the other stuff? (23:21) Some of it?
Chris (23:22) Some of the some of the other stuff. (23:23) I mean, none of the other stuff as far as, like, I don't have any of the aces, but I I mean, I have my my mental health demons that I battle. (23:31) And, actually, thanks to your podcast, I got into therapy. (23:34) Like, listening to you and Erica talk, I was like, oh, I would love to talk to somebody like this. (23:40) And that's that's helped a ton.
Scott Benner (23:43) Oh, you're gonna make her cry when she hears that. (23:45) She's gonna be so happy to know that.
Chris (23:47) Yeah. (23:47) Yeah. (23:48) Yeah. (23:49) Well, I I hope so. (23:50) I mean, it really it's it's been insanely helpful, it's helped my I mean, most of my family now.
Scott Benner (23:54) Oh, it's lovely. (23:56) Yeah. (23:56) Chris, for people who don't know, we I think we've done a an episode on it with Eric at some point, but the aces are the the original 10 categories are adverse childhood experiences, and they if you have a certain number of them, you're almost certain to have certain issues as an adult. (24:15) So they're physical, or sexual abuse, emotional abuse, physical neglect, emotional neglect, wasting, witnessing domestic violence, like your mother being treated violently, etcetera, household substance abuse, household mental illness, a separation or divorce with your parents, or someone in the household being incarcerated. (24:35) If if those things have happened in your life, the more you have, it kinda compounds and I can explain a lot of the, I don't know, a lot of the troubles you might be having as an adult.
Scott Benner (24:47) So you you identified some of those and you were like, oh, that's me?
Chris (24:51) Oh, yeah. (24:52) Yeah. (24:52) I mean, even as you're reading it now, I was like, oh, I might go for the I might go for the high score.
Scott Benner (24:57) Yeah. (24:57) Yeah. (24:58) I might be able to score a 10 here. (25:00) Hold on, everybody. (25:01) And so that happened to you, and then what came of it is you not wanting to be like that.
Chris (25:06) Yeah. (25:06) I mean, from from as young as I can remember of my so my mom was an alcoholic. (25:10) My parents split before I was born. (25:12) So I grew up with them just bashing each other constantly. (25:15) My dad went through some sort of midlife crisis and put his job when he was, like, 30, and I was a very late in life baby.
Chris (25:23) From my dad's perspective, I was a welfare baby because I was born just before my sister's eighteenth birthday. (25:30) And Oh, know.
Scott Benner (25:31) Oh, Chris, I gotta stop you. (25:32) I know I know I know people who do who've done that.
Chris (25:36) Oh, yeah.
Scott Benner (25:36) Have babies on a schedule to stay on welfare. (25:39) Right?
Chris (25:40) Right. (25:40) Right.
Scott Benner (25:40) What's that? (25:41) Oh, okay. (25:42) Sorry. (25:43) No. (25:43) Go on, and then I'll come back to my question.
Chris (25:45) It's okay. (25:46) Now here's the here's the the good part of that story is that when my dad died, I was able to figure that out for sure. (25:54) Mhmm. (25:55) And I found a bunch of letters from just probably four months before I was born between my mom and my dad and my sister, and they were happy and they were living together and everything was fine. (26:08) My mom didn't know she was pregnant, but everything was great.
Chris (26:12) And then there was an incident with my sister where my dad he he thought that there was something going on with her boyfriend and that she was lying all the time. (26:22) And, essentially, he kicked her out, my mom said, well, I'm going with her. (26:26) And that was that. (26:27) But it was just, you know, about four months before four or five months before I was born, it meant a lot to me to be like, ah, I was conceived in love.
Scott Benner (26:35) Yeah. (26:35) There were there was a good moment for them, and that's when you were conceived. (26:39) Yeah. (26:39) Yep. (26:40) That's lovely.
Scott Benner (26:40) I'm glad you were able to find that and have that. (26:43) Because otherwise, you I you're gonna come to the conclusion that it was it was time to get paid again. (26:47) So here comes Chris. (26:49) Right?
Chris (26:49) You go. (26:50) Yeah. (26:50) Absolutely. (26:51) That that's what I thought for a long time.
Scott Benner (26:53) Oh, jeez. (26:53) That must have been hard to live with.
Chris (26:55) I don't know. (26:56) It was just everything was so crazy as a child. (26:59) I was so I lived with my mom, but she was an absolutely severe alcoholic. (27:03) I was pretty much raising myself anyway. (27:05) I mean, I remember from a young age having to hide from CPS knocking on the door and having to like, I would, eight or nine years old, I would call the liquor stores in the area and be like, hey.
Chris (27:14) Can you please not sell my mom any alcohol?
Scott Benner (27:17) Uh-huh.
Chris (27:18) You know, she was passed out all the time. (27:20) So when I was, like, 10, my dad was he he worked a couple of hours away. (27:25) I basically called him one day and just begged him to come home because I didn't wanna live there anymore. (27:29) So I had to go to court and had to, like, testify in front of the judge and whatnot. (27:33) But, anyway, I ended up going to live with my dad, which was better than dealing with my mom because my dad just smoked weed.
Chris (27:42) He didn't drink at the time, so it was it was better. (27:45) He was happier, didn't have a job or anything. (27:47) So we were we squatted for a long time. (27:51) I mean, we lived in houses that that he either used to live in or he'd make a deal that he'd take care of a house for a few months and trade for us being able to stay there. (28:00) So we were homeless for quite a while, but it so just everything was so crazy.
Chris (28:04) It didn't didn't really matter. (28:06) So, you know, I I think that's that's where I built the resilience was I'd been through so much weird stuff that just didn't matter.
Scott Benner (28:14) Yeah. (28:14) Diabetes, you're like, oh, jeez. (28:15) This is easy. (28:17) Yeah. (28:17) Shouldn't I shouldn't have much trouble with this.
Scott Benner (28:19) Do you prefer chaos or calm now as an adult?
Chris (28:22) Oh, calm. (28:23) No question. (28:23) I mean, I I I do I thrive in chaos. (28:27) Mhmm. (28:28) But I like to control the chaos, if that makes sense.
Chris (28:32) You know, we're we're very busy. (28:34) We're into a ton of stuff. (28:36) We have chickens, and we foster cats. (28:40) And we we're into robotics, and we do, you know, Amazon a bunch of sports, and my son's in D and D clubs and math clubs, and we're always traveling around and doing all this stuff. (28:50) So we're very busy.
Chris (28:52) It that's the type of chaos I prefer now
Scott Benner (28:55) Yeah.
Chris (28:55) Versus the, like, the sky is falling chaos. (28:58) Like, whenever I got diagnosed with diabetes, that was a a sky is falling kind of chaos. (29:03) Definitely threw me into a funk for quite a while, you know, until I I wrapped my head around it. (29:08) And that's kinda how I handle most everything is, like, there's the initial, like, okay. (29:12) We've gotta figure this out.
Chris (29:13) And I go into, like, a survival mode. (29:17) And then, yeah, once I figure it out, then then it's autopilot. (29:21) And that's how I how I kinda handle everything. (29:23) Like, any issue that comes up, just throw my all into it, figure it out, and then move on.
Scott Benner (29:28) I wanna hear about the funk. (29:29) So tell me about that. (29:30) Like, she's diagnosed and and you fall into a bit of would you call it depression or just
Chris (29:35) Yeah. (29:35) Yeah. (29:36) I think so. (29:37) Just a, like, you know, this is the only thing that matters. (29:39) Just to add to this, I I have ADHD, which I didn't know until my boys get diagnosed with ADHD, and then I it made a whole lot of sense.
Chris (29:47) And this was right prior to me being medicated. (29:50) And one of the ways that it presents for me is either everything's overwhelming and there's a million inputs all at once, or it's just absolute complete hyperfocus. (30:00) And with diabetes, that's what it was. (30:02) It was just the only thing that mattered is making sure that that Emma's healthy, that everything's gonna be okay.
Scott Benner (30:09) Yeah.
Chris (30:09) So I remember when she first came home, and I realized the, like, relationship of carbohydrates to insulin, and and it was right before Halloween. (30:20) So I'm like, is she going to be able to have candy for Halloween? (30:25) And I remember, like, at nighttime, I would we used to have these, like, Dove chocolates that we'd keep in the house, I'd grab one out of the bowl. (30:32) And I remember going to eat it and being like, Emma would have to bowl us for this. (30:37) And it just, like, set me on this, like, sort of mental journey about, like, understanding everything and empathizing with her.
Chris (30:44) Yeah. (30:45) So that that's that's what I mean by funk. (30:47) It just sent me into this, like, overthinking everything and just really only focusing on this.
Scott Benner (30:53) Were you reflective in a good way, or were you thinking about it in an obsessive way?
Chris (30:57) I would say the first one. (30:59) My wife would probably say the second one. (31:01) Probably a combination of the two.
Scott Benner (31:04) Oh my gosh. (31:05) So the candy dish set you on on this path?
Chris (31:08) Yeah. (31:09) Yeah. (31:10) Actually, it it really was. (31:11) It was a it was a piece of chocolate.
Scott Benner (31:12) Yeah. (31:13) That just kind of made you think. (31:15) I I mean, I I imagine any of us who are being thoughtful who have kids with type one have had a moment where we picked up a piece of food and thought, oh, this this doesn't feel fair. (31:24) Yeah. (31:25) Yeah.
Chris (31:25) In a way, like so as far as that, like, obsessive thing you mentioned, I I did I did go the route of I see obsessive, but there's a silver lining. (31:35) There's a positive side of it. (31:37) I really dove into nutrition and just trying to wrap my head around how food works in the body and how insulin works. (31:45) It it was kind of pre a lot of your management episodes and whatnot with Jenny, but about the same time a lot of them started coming out. (31:51) I was also listening to Joe Rogan a lot, and that was back when he had a lot of people talking about nutrition coming on.
Scott Benner (31:56) Okay.
Chris (31:57) I really dove into it, and I I got myself really healthy. (32:00) I mean, at the time, back then, I was probably, like, a hundred and seventy, hundred eighty pounds. (32:04) I'm five seven. (32:05) I'm a nerd. (32:06) Physically active nerd.
Chris (32:08) Like, I I've always been very active, but I always had extra weight on me. (32:13) And I learned pretty quickly that, like, oh, if I just track my macros and understand you know, reduce my carb intake and, you know, add some intermittent fasting in here. (32:22) And within, I don't know, maybe a year, I got myself to a point that I was like, woah. (32:29) I look different. (32:29) I feel different.
Chris (32:30) I have so much more energy. (32:32) And all I did is make these little minor changes here and there in how I eat. (32:37) Like, I I cut out sugar, I just started eating more, like, kind of nothing from a box. (32:42) You know what I mean? (32:43) Just like like a paleo kind of thing.
Chris (32:45) And I got myself into into really good shape, and then that just sort of naturally started spreading to as I cooked and as I, you know whether it was around diabetes or or even just cooking for the family, was just, like, spreading some of that ideas, and it was interesting to watch, like, everything fall in line. (33:01) Like, one of the things we talk about is how Emma's diagnosis, it definitely sort of helped us all become healthier people.
Scott Benner (33:08) Mhmm. (33:08) Did your wife come along with that on that ride with you, or did she come along begrudgingly? (33:13) Or I'm always interested in how one person's change affects the the dynamic.
Chris (33:18) Yeah. (33:19) I mean, I like, I went I went hard into it, so a little too hard probably. (33:24) But, I mean, for their perspective, you know, because she's like, you know, we're still trying to eat all the regular foods. (33:30) So there were definitely times that I was, like, being overprescriptive or whatever, being like, hey. (33:35) Before you eat that, did you know how many grams of carbs are in that?
Chris (33:38) And do you know
Scott Benner (33:39) They're like, shut up.
Chris (33:41) Yeah. (33:41) Yeah. (33:42) Well, I mean so my boys are wired a lot like I am, so they were like, oh, fascinating. (33:47) You know? (33:48) And and and sometimes they'd be like, that's fascinating.
Chris (33:51) I'm gonna go eat this bowl of fudge now.
Scott Benner (33:53) Yeah. (33:54) Fascinating. (33:55) Not stopping. (33:55) And mom is rolling her eyes all the way to the back of her head right now.
Chris (33:58) Absolutely.
Scott Benner (33:59) Hey. (34:00) You didn't get to, like, nootropic gum or something like that. (34:02) How far did you fall down this rabbit hole?
Chris (34:04) No. (34:05) Nothing like that. (34:05) Good for you. (34:06) You know? (34:07) Well, I I got kids to feed.
Chris (34:09) You know? (34:09) There's a limited amount of money that
Scott Benner (34:10) you make in the world. (34:11) Gum.
Chris (34:12) Yeah. (34:12) If I I mean, I might have tried it. (34:15) I I remember trying Alpha Brain for a month and then being like, that seems like expensive pee. (34:19) But, you know, may maybe it did something, but not enough for me to try the second month.
Scott Benner (34:23) I'd like to give you credit for having an open mind and trying something in general. (34:27) So you get yourself in, like, awesome shape. (34:29) Your your kids are interested but not doing it. (34:33) Your wife is listening. (34:34) And then eventually, it just what it just kinda bled over.
Scott Benner (34:37) Just kinda cooked a certain way and didn't give them a a choice?
Chris (34:41) No. (34:41) No. (34:41) Not even like that. (34:42) Okay. (34:42) It was just like a I mean, I don't know.
Chris (34:45) It was like making little changes. (34:47) Right? (34:48) Like, changing out the type of pasta that we use, changing out the type of pasta sauce, and maybe getting a different bread. (34:55) Like, a lot of the stuff that I hear you and Jenny talking about as well, but just, like, mixing in little changes. (34:59) Yeah.
Chris (35:00) But then they they noticed it as well. (35:02) Right? (35:02) Like, my both my boys started noticing, like, oh, like, I'm looking looking much better when I look in the mirror, I feel stronger and have more energy. (35:10) So it just it just sort of happened. (35:13) That's awesome.
Chris (35:14) And yeah. (35:15) Yeah.
Scott Benner (35:16) Dug in pretty early on with the podcast to learn about diabetes and stuff. (35:19) Would you say there was ever a time where you guys struggled, you know, and where what was that like? (35:26) Or you know?
Chris (35:27) Yeah. (35:28) The I mean, the the early days for sure. (35:31) Trying to find that balance between keeping her safe and healthy and not being, like, totally overbearing and having to to to be by her side. (35:42) And I wanted her to be able to choose what she wanted to eat. (35:46) So I actually remember like, you had a podcast episode one time about a kid that wanted to eat some Skittles or M and M's or something along that those lines.
Chris (35:54) And he tried a little bit, tried the bolus. (35:56) That didn't work, and he wrote it down, made an adjustment. (35:58) And I just I remember those chocolates that I was talking about at the beginning, and I love those things. (36:04) And I was like, well, let's let's use that, and let's figure that out. (36:07) So we did that, and we just sort of figured it out one little thing at a time.
Chris (36:12) And then we just rinsed and repeated with that to be able to let her have the things she wants and and have predictable outcomes. (36:20) And then within within just a couple of months, we we we went from, like, you know, 1414 a one c, a diagnosis, to the next visit was a seven, next visit was a six, and then it's been six or below ever since then. (36:33) Just had had her, end of meeting last month. (36:36) It was, like, 5.6, I think.
Scott Benner (36:37) Yeah.
Chris (36:38) We just kept rolling with that. (36:39) And then with the introduction of Loop, and I'm I'm a software engineer anyway, so I remember buying a Mac and and setting up Loop and getting all that done. (36:47) But now with the newer versions, we have this Loop caregiver so we can manage things remotely. (36:52) So that enables us to start sending her to camp and being able to just kinda keep an eye on things and and giving her some of the control, but us still being able to, like, fix things remotely if if stuff goes sideways.
Scott Benner (37:03) Hey. (37:03) The loop caregiver, that's it's the icon with the blue circle. (37:06) Right?
Chris (37:07) Mhmm.
Scott Benner (37:07) Has it not been working for a while for you?
Chris (37:10) Oh, no. (37:11) I use it every single day. (37:12) I guess and I'm looking at it. (37:13) It's a it's a blue circle.
Scott Benner (37:15) Yeah.
Chris (37:15) Blue circle with the CG inside it. (37:17) It's a
Scott Benner (37:18) And your night scout can be in there as well?
Chris (37:20) Yeah. (37:20) Yeah. (37:21) I mean, it it it connects to night scout. (37:23) So that's how it that's how it functions, of course.
Scott Benner (37:25) Can you troubleshoot something for me while I have you here?
Chris (37:27) Oh, yeah. (37:28) Yeah. (37:28) What's up?
Scott Benner (37:28) So it hasn't been working for a while. (37:30) I haven't been able I mean, it's working as much as I can see things, but I haven't been able to send boluses or change targets or anything like that. (37:37) And now I just opened it up to talk to you about it, it says update available. (37:40) A new version is available. (37:41) Four point one dot o is recommended to update.
Scott Benner (37:43) I hit okay, but how do I update that?
Chris (37:46) So, nor the way that I do it is through through a GitHub repository.
Scott Benner (37:51) Oh, I have TestFlight, I think.
Chris (37:54) Yeah. (37:54) So so that that's where it lands. (37:56) It'll land in TestFlight. (37:57) But I don't know if you build your apps or if you have somebody else build your apps, but somebody goes into GitHub and sets up an action. (38:04) So you'd you'd go into GitHub, find the repo, you'd pull down the latest code from the repo, sync it with the source.
Chris (38:10) That gets you the latest version, then you'd build the app Okay. (38:14) Making sure that, you know, all your your Apple stuff is in. (38:17) If you've got another app building that you get through TestFlight regularly, then most everything's all set up and probably just need to rebuild the app.
Scott Benner (38:24) So may I be completely honest? (38:29) Yeah. (38:29) I know what GitHub is.
Chris (38:33) Sure you do.
Scott Benner (38:34) But a lot of what you said after that
Chris (38:36) Okay. (38:37) Alluded me. (38:38) So you you have somebody else that builds your app.
Scott Benner (38:40) Right, Scott? (38:41) So alright. (38:41) So I'm on GitHub. (38:42) I have trio loop oh, loop follow. (38:44) So I do I click on that on the left side?
Chris (38:46) I I don't know if loop follow is loop caregiver. (38:48) Loop follow is a is another one that sort of, is like a more advanced follow. (38:53) It like dexcom follow, but it also gives you pod info.
Scott Benner (38:56) Yeah. (38:56) That's the one I'm using because I don't see anything else there. (38:58) So
Chris (38:59) It it might be it might be similar. (39:00) So, I mean, I assume, yeah, that would be it. (39:02) And then you'd go into that repo.
Scott Benner (39:04) Okay. (39:05) Use English. (39:05) Go into the
Chris (39:06) Oh, okay. (39:07) Are you signed in?
Scott Benner (39:08) Get Yeah. (39:09) No. (39:09) I'm looking at it right now.
Chris (39:10) Okay. (39:10) So if you're into the repo, once you're in there, there should or the repo is the the thing. (39:15) So if you click on the name loop follow, it'll bring you to a sort of a landing page, and then you should have something like sync fork or
Scott Benner (39:23) I see sync fork.
Chris (39:24) Yep. (39:25) So you wanna sync the fork.
Scott Benner (39:27) This branch is not behind the upstream.
Chris (39:29) Oh, good. (39:30) So it's it's already done, which is cool. (39:31) Okay. (39:32) And then somewhere there's a there's an actions tab. (39:35) You'd click on actions.
Scott Benner (39:36) Somewhere there's an actions tab. (39:38) I see it. (39:38) Hold on a second. (39:39) Yeah. (39:40) I appreciate this, by the way.
Chris (39:41) Yeah. (39:41) Of course. (39:42) No problem.
Scott Benner (39:42) Alright. (39:42) Like, build loop follow main is green, but a lot of stuff is red in the past. (39:49) Oh, okay. (39:50) But the the latest one from a couple days ago is green. (39:55) So Okay.
Scott Benner (39:55) Check mark.
Chris (39:56) So that that's good. (39:58) Now the the question is the the way that loop the the way that we I have it set off anyway, and I think it's the default configuration, is that it'll do an auto build. (40:06) So does it say, like, build loop or whatever the the app is? (40:09) Does it say scheduled?
Scott Benner (40:11) Yes.
Chris (40:11) Okay. (40:12) So with the way that it works for ours, we have to manually build to actually deploy the new version of the app. (40:18) Mhmm. (40:19) So if if that number four action succeeded last time, you should be able to just click on that that that action and then click run. (40:28) So I'm on the
Scott Benner (40:29) it says build loop follow main, that's the only thing that's highlighted to click on or main I can click on. (40:33) Those are the two things that are clickable.
Chris (40:35) Okay. (40:36) Is is there anywhere that says, like, run?
Scott Benner (40:38) There's view workflow file, delete workflow, run. (40:41) Those are the clickable things. (40:43) Okay.
Chris (40:43) Let me
Scott Benner (40:43) click on this and see
Chris (40:44) what If you have run, that that should be it.
Scott Benner (40:46) One second, man. (40:48) Oh, why is everything so small? (40:50) That wasn't nice. (40:51) I I clicked on something out. (40:53) Run rerun all jobs?
Scott Benner (40:55) Yeah. (40:55) Check it out. (40:56) Yeah? (40:56) Alright.
Chris (40:57) So nor normally, with with the way I have it set up, if you do a manual run, that's the trigger that that says to actually deploy the application to TestFlight. (41:05) And so if that all succeeds, you know, half an hour or so after the build is complete, you should get an email.
Scott Benner (41:13) Okay. (41:13) And then do you click on something in the email?
Chris (41:16) Nope. (41:17) That's it. (41:17) You'll get an email from TestFlight saying your TestFlight apps are updated. (41:20) And then if you go into TestFlight, right beside the app, it'll say update.
Scott Benner (41:23) Okay. (41:24) Yeah. (41:24) I just saw it run it. (41:25) Now it's queued. (41:27) It's actually doing a lot here.
Scott Benner (41:28) And by a lot, I mean, there's things flashing and spinning.
Chris (41:31) Good. (41:31) So flashy, spinning things, and then as long as they're all green at the end, that hopefully will get that working for you.
Scott Benner (41:38) Okay. (41:38) Alright. (41:38) Can we pivot a little bit here?
Chris (41:40) So No. (41:40) Yeah, please.
Scott Benner (41:41) Like you said, when we set your daughter up to record, you and I chatted for a couple of minutes beforehand.
Chris (41:46) Yeah.
Scott Benner (41:46) And, I was probably talking about some of the stuff about AI that I'm excited about for health care and and maybe for the podcast too. (41:54) Did you see that the other day, ChatGPT released a browser called Atlas?
Chris (42:02) No. (42:03) I did not. (42:04) Yeah.
Scott Benner (42:04) I mean, technology in general. (42:05) Like, there you have to pick a point to jump in. (42:08) Right. (42:08) You you know what I mean? (42:09) And there's times where you're just like, I wanna know all about this.
Scott Benner (42:12) I think this is gonna be cool. (42:13) I can't wait to find out. (42:14) And there's times when you're like, you know what? (42:16) I'm gonna wait. (42:16) Something else is gonna happen.
Scott Benner (42:18) I'm wondering if this isn't something else.
Chris (42:22) Mhmm.
Scott Benner (42:22) So a browser with an AI sidebar in it that makes it feel like to me and I've only watched the the first overview of how it works, but it makes it feel to me that you can go to a website and then have ChatGP start talking like, looking directly at the website very closely while you're there. (42:42) Oh, wow. (42:42) And I'm thinking that most of the problems that I've imagined being alleviated for people, I think this might take care of a lot of it.
Chris (42:53) Oh, wow.
Scott Benner (42:54) Yep. (42:55) And I'm I'm I'm still, like, just beginning to dig into it, really. (42:58) So it'd it'd be unfair. (43:00) But have the things set up on the Circle group, which I don't have a lot of people in on purpose. (43:05) Right?
Scott Benner (43:06) They have, like, an agent in there, and you can load all the the transcripts of into the podcast. (43:11) And the agent you can ask the agent a question. (43:13) It does its best to go into the transcripts and pull out answers, etcetera. (43:17) But one of the things it does that really excites me and this weekend, actually, while I was away, it was a great example of why. (43:25) I had a woman contact me and ask me if it would be okay if she translated some of the transcripts of the podcast into Vietnamese so that she could so she could, share it in a local community, you know?
Scott Benner (43:36) And I was like, yeah, that's that's fine. (43:38) But if you go to that circle group and type a question into the agent in Vietnamese, it answers you in Vietnamese and every other language you can imagine. (43:51) So I've been talking for five, six years about, like, oh, we might have to pay voice actors to remake the episodes and, like and that that's financially impossible for me, but also, like, technically difficult. (44:03) Right? (44:03) Because you you're gonna just have people reading and it's gonna sound terrible and, you know, what are you gonna do and who's gonna pay for it and edit it all together?
Scott Benner (44:09) And I don't speak the languages, so I can't QC anything and just a really kind of a big mess. (44:14) I think this is gonna fill this in.
Chris (44:17) Absolutely. (44:17) We we have something similar for work now where we can enable a translator, and we have meetings where people are speaking different languages, Japanese and English, etcetera, and it just real time translates back and forth in, and it sounds like the person's voice who's speaking it in the other language.
Scott Benner (44:32) Yeah. (44:33) Isn't that crazy?
Chris (44:34) Oh, it's amazing. (44:35) Absolutely amazing.
Scott Benner (44:36) Yeah. (44:37) I I swear I I I think it's getting super close. (44:40) Like, I also understand the rest of it. (44:42) Like, if you wanna be social with me, I'll I could yell and scream about all the power this is gonna take and everything else too. (44:48) Like, I I know, you know, I'm not unaware of the problems.
Scott Benner (44:51) I'd assume I'm not gonna get in front of them, and I'm trying to figure out ways for this to help people. (44:56) So No. (44:57) I didn't. (44:58) I just went to my website, and I opened up I just downloaded the browser. (45:01) This is my first time using it.
Scott Benner (45:03) And I clicked on the chat GPT button at the top right. (45:06) It opens up a basically, like, a mini window inside of the browser. (45:09) I said, what is episode 1,600 like about? (45:13) Oh. (45:13) It says Into the Woods features 10 year old Emma who shares her life living with type one diabetes, everything from gymnastics to MMA, carb counting at school, and even how did she spot her cousin's diagnosis.
Scott Benner (45:23) That's just giving me something that's written on the page. (45:25) Then it says, if you'd like, I could pull a full transcript. (45:28) So pull transcript. (45:30) Let's see what happens there. (45:33) It's a little slow right now, but it's their first version, so I'm not overtly concerned about that.
Scott Benner (45:39) I want to see what happens as it opens up. (45:41) So, I guess my question is is where do you see AI in service of diabetes? (45:47) How do you think it might do that in the future?
Chris (45:50) Oh, yeah. (45:50) I I mean, with the way that it learns, it should be able to be able to look at your insulin delivery, your carb intake, and some any number of other variables and combine that with things like Apple Health and and other metrics. (46:06) And at some point, it should be pretty good at just doing what we do because we're just making decisions based on the data that we see, right, like as humans. (46:15) So this will definitely be able to do something very similar. (46:19) I mean, just watching seeing what it does in in my everyday use of it for work and and everything else in my personal life, it it's incredible.
Chris (46:28) So thinking about how that might apply to diabetes. (46:30) I mean, I talk to Emma about it pretty frequently. (46:32) Like, I think it's hopefully going to reduce her mental load a significant amount before she's at the age where she's gonna have to, you know, take more of it on.
Scott Benner (46:40) Mhmm. (46:40) Yeah. (46:41) Now I saw somebody online the other day asking a question, and they were clearly just trying to get other people's opinions. (46:47) But they had gone to chat GPT and had a a conversation about something about diabetes that they did, they didn't understand. (46:57) And I browsed it really quickly, I thought, I think this thing gave her a rock solid answer.
Scott Benner (47:02) And, you know, she was able to ask follow-up questions, which I think is maybe where that separates you from Google a little bit. (47:08) Like, you ask the first question, you get an answer back, and you might have more questions, but it's hard to know then where to go from there. (47:13) And then people came in, and they were like, this seems reasonable to me. (47:16) And people were interested in it too. (47:18) So it's gotta be coming a little bit.
Scott Benner (47:21) But I don't know how long till regular people who aren't, you know what I mean, digging into stuff like this, figure it out. (47:27) Because if you're online, you think everybody's doing this, but that's certainly not the case.
Chris (47:31) Right.
Scott Benner (47:31) Yeah.
Chris (47:32) Absolutely. (47:32) How do you use it at
Scott Benner (47:33) work where the translator helps again? (47:42) This episode was too good to cut anything out of, but too long to make just one episode. (47:47) So this is part one. (47:48) Make sure you go find part two right now. (47:50) It's gonna be the next episode in your feed.
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Pediatric CDCES Roxanna shares her traumatic adult diagnosis, recognizing Type 1 in her niece and nephew, and her philosophy on empowering families through practical diabetes education.
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Scott Benner (0:0) Here we are back together again, friends, for another episode of the Juice Box podcast.
Roxanna (0:14) My name is Roxanna, and I'm a pediatric CDCES. (0:18) And I've been living with type one for ten years now.
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Roxanna (2:25) My name is Roxanna, and I'm a pediatric CDCES. (2:29) And I've been living with type one for ten years now.
Scott Benner (2:32) Ten years? (2:33) How old are you?
Roxanna (2:34) I am 45 now.
Scott Benner (2:35) Oh, you have that young voice.
Roxanna (2:38) Yeah. (2:39) That's what that's what I hear. (2:40) I don't know if I look that way, but
Scott Benner (2:42) well
Roxanna (2:42) or feel that way, but maybe I sound that way.
Scott Benner (2:44) You should start a podcast because on a podcast, people don't get to see that often. (2:48) So it sounds like you Yeah. (2:50) No kidding. (2:50) If you told me you were, like, 16, I'd be like, I I buy it. (2:53) Why is it why is that?
Scott Benner (2:54) Why you feel like, are you not married?
Roxanna (2:57) I I'm not married and have no children.
Scott Benner (2:59) There's something you That's why. (3:01) It wasn't hard to figure out why life hasn't dragged you down yet. (3:04) I was like, oh, okay. (3:05) I see what's going on.
Roxanna (3:06) But I have four brothers, so I feel like that counts for something.
Scott Benner (3:09) Oh, you've had your ass beat a couple of times then. (3:11) I I see.
Roxanna (3:12) Several times.
Scott Benner (3:12) Okay.
Roxanna (3:13) Yeah. (3:13) Absolutely.
Scott Benner (3:14) But you're diagnosed in your thirties?
Roxanna (3:16) Yeah. (3:17) I was diagnosed when in 2016. (3:20) I was 36 at the time.
Scott Benner (3:23) Were you already doing this professionally?
Roxanna (3:25) I was. (3:26) So I was a, a pediatric ICU nurse
Scott Benner (3:29) Okay. (3:29) At the
Roxanna (3:29) time, and I had no idea what hit me. (3:33) I thought I had the flu. (3:35) It's very similar to all other your all the other diagnosis stories I hear.
Scott Benner (3:40) Yeah.
Roxanna (3:41) But I started not feeling well, and I had some other health stuff going on at the time as well that I felt like complicated the picture maybe a little bit. (3:48) But I'd taken care of hundreds of kids in DKA Mhmm. (3:52) And did not recognize it in myself. (3:54) I just knew I felt badly. (3:56) And it was traumatic for me, I'm sure, but similar to what you hear from everyone else.
Roxanna (4:01) But at the time, I was doing travel nursing and started not feeling well. (4:07) I just blew it off because I was a nurse, and it was the weekend. (4:11) And I was like, well, I am new to the city, and I didn't even have a PCP at the time, and I had to start my new contract on Monday.
Scott Benner (4:19) Okay.
Roxanna (4:20) So, thankfully, I my best friends knew I hadn't been feeling well. (4:25) I stopped answering my texts, and they didn't know my address because I had just moved in recently. (4:31) But they knew the apartment complex that I had been placed in for my travel agency. (4:36) So they called to do a welfare welfare check with the with the depart with the city department.
Scott Benner (4:40) Really?
Roxanna (4:41) And yep. (4:42) And they didn't couldn't find me at first. (4:45) And then my best friend called back and said, please, I will like, please just go check on her. (4:49) Something has got to be wrong. (4:51) So she walked them through where the apartment was because, again, she didn't have the address, but she knew what apartment it was.
Roxanna (4:58) Mhmm. (4:58) And thankfully, door was open because it was, like, late at night. (5:01) It's, like, ten or 10:30 at night. (5:02) And they found me down in my apartment. (5:06) I was already in a coma at that point.
Roxanna (5:08) My blood sugar was, like, 1,200. (5:10) I was septic. (5:11) My body temperature was, like, 89, and they pretty quickly he's like, I I don't know what's wrong, but something's wrong with her.
Scott Benner (5:19) Roxanne.
Roxanna (5:20) Went got in an ambulance, was intubated, and maxed out on pressers, and in coma for a couple days. (5:26) Almost died for sure.
Scott Benner (5:28) Wow. (5:29) Hey. (5:29) What kind of gift do you have to get your friend the following year for their birthday after they save your life?
Roxanna (5:33) I know. (5:35) I know. (5:35) I they are amazing people. (5:37) They definitely saved my life that day. (5:39) There was there's three of them, and they were all living in different states at the time, and they just they knew that I hadn't been feeling well and something wasn't right.
Roxanna (5:48) And How
Scott Benner (5:48) about that?
Roxanna (5:49) They were gonna fix it.
Scott Benner (5:51) I would text you once a year and go, hey. (5:53) Do you remember the time I saved your it's like, would definitely definitely do that.
Roxanna (5:59) So every September 11, because that's when it was, September 11
Scott Benner (6:02) Really?
Roxanna (6:02) Text back and forth and say, happy death day. (6:04) I say, you for saving my life.
Scott Benner (6:06) Wait. (6:07) September 11, I I seem to feel like that's a date I should know. (6:11) Wait. (6:11) Wait. (6:12) What year was it?
Scott Benner (6:13) 2015. (6:13) Oh, okay.
Roxanna (6:14) Some '20,
Scott Benner (6:15) Yeah. (6:15) Many years later. (6:16) But still
Roxanna (6:17) Yeah.
Scott Benner (6:17) You almost said you're on 09/11. (6:19) Yeah. (6:19) Yeah. (6:20) How about that? (6:20) Oh, my goodness.
Scott Benner (6:22) Well, isn't that a fun way to start off the podcast?
Roxanna (6:25) I know.
Scott Benner (6:25) So your friends you said you had other health issues going on at the same time. (6:29) Would you share what they are or what they were?
Roxanna (6:31) Yeah. (6:31) So I really started to fall apart. (6:34) I thought when I once after I hit, like, early thirties, it was mostly, like, GYN related, and they my GYN told me I had a hostile uterus, and that was a quote. (6:43) And I had a lot of, like, anemia and bleeding stuff going on. (6:48) Just weird kinda stuff that still unexplained.
Roxanna (6:51) I was on a million different tried a million different things to get the bleeding under control, and it just never worked. (6:59) Just stuff I just wasn't feeling well. (7:00) And I knew now I know that a lot of that was probably tied to, like, the type one diagnosis. (7:06) And when I look back, it was could have been caught probably a year prior. (7:12) I had fasting blood sugars in the two hundreds, and it just wasn't caught.
Roxanna (7:18) You know, they told me to stop eating yogurt.
Scott Benner (7:20) Wait. (7:20) When you had a fasting blood sugar in the two hundreds, they said no more yogurt?
Roxanna (7:24) Yeah. (7:24) They asked me what I what, you know, I had, like, the night before I came in and I said, well, I think I had some yogurt. (7:30) And they were like, well, don't eat that.
Scott Benner (7:32) That's the problem. (7:33) Hey. (7:33) Did you try tranexamite acid for for bleeding? (7:38) That's not one of the things they gave you?
Roxanna (7:40) No. (7:40) They busted it was basically a bunch of birth control pills that they tried, which then lent to me. (7:44) I had some pulmonary embolisms from that. (7:47) Oh. (7:47) From yeah.
Roxanna (7:48) So it was just a traumatic time. (7:51) Those early thirties were rough. (7:52) I was like, is this one getting old as life? (7:54) Because it is not fun.
Scott Benner (7:55) Also, thirties shouldn't be where things start going downhill like that. (7:59) I don't think.
Roxanna (8:00) Well, yeah. (8:01) And that's what I thought. (8:02) But I was like, I guess this is it. (8:04) I don't know. (8:04) I guess you just you're just tired, like, all the time and feel terrible.
Roxanna (8:08) And Best part
Scott Benner (8:09) of the ride's over already.
Roxanna (8:11) That's it.
Scott Benner (8:11) Any other autoimmune in your extended family?
Roxanna (8:15) Yes. (8:16) So now that I know, you know, I've asked. (8:18) My mom has Hashimoto's. (8:19) Mhmm. (8:20) My grandmother had Graves'.
Roxanna (8:22) Grandfather on my maternal side had MS. (8:25) And then two years after I was diagnosed, my niece was diagnosed, and then two years after that, my nephew was diagnosed with type one.
Scott Benner (8:30) Type one was coming. (8:31) Yeah. (8:32) You grew up not knowing your mom had Hashimoto's?
Roxanna (8:35) Nope. (8:36) I mean, I need to So she actually is was raised Catholic.
Scott Benner (8:42) She did
Roxanna (8:42) not raise us Catholic.
Scott Benner (8:43) That's fine.
Roxanna (8:44) But she herself was Yeah. (8:47) Yeah. (8:47) Catholic.
Scott Benner (8:48) Alright. (8:48) I get it. (8:48) I know the vibe. (8:49) I got everything going on here. (8:50) I'm like Chad GPT almost.
Scott Benner (8:51) I have enough data to make some pretty big leaps. (8:55) So Yeah. (8:56) Talk to enough people. (8:57) Your mom had a thing she took a pill for every day. (9:00) How many how many brothers and sisters do you have?
Roxanna (9:02) I have four brothers.
Scott Benner (9:04) Yeah. (9:04) That's right. (9:04) You said that. (9:05) I'm sorry. (9:05) Okay.
Scott Benner (9:06) Mhmm. (9:06) Did they know?
Roxanna (9:08) I still don't think they know, to be honest.
Scott Benner (9:10) Ah, awesome. (9:12) Now I practice know
Roxanna (9:13) that my my two youngest brothers are my half brothers. (9:16) So after my mom and dad got divorced, my dad got remarried, and I have two younger
Scott Benner (9:21) You have two younger brothers that are not your mom. (9:23) Yeah. (9:23) Wouldn't it be weird if they knew and no one else did?
Roxanna (9:26) Well, yeah. (9:26) But that's highly unlikely, Scott.
Scott Benner (9:30) Your mom wasn't keeping up with your dad's new family? (9:33) No.
Roxanna (9:34) No. (9:34) Gosh. (9:34) She barely remembers her names now.
Scott Benner (9:36) Might be apropos or nothing, then I'll find out later if I wasted your time or not and and asked you more than I should have. (9:42) But no, no marriage, no kids, is that on purpose or is that because
Roxanna (9:48) No. (9:49) I get asked this question
Scott Benner (9:50) a lot. (9:51) I imagine.
Roxanna (9:51) Especially being from where I'm from and the expectation, you know, all my best friends were married and, you know, had kids in their twenties, if not earlier. (10:01) Yeah. (10:02) It's never been something that I have dreamed of doing. (10:06) Like, I just it's never been on my to do list, I guess. (10:09) If it happens, it happens, but that's part of it.
Roxanna (10:12) I never was actively seeking it out. (10:15) And then I think part of it was I spent a lot of, like, my those early thirties, like, not feeling well. (10:21) And I traveled a lot. (10:23) Like, I was moving every three to six months, and that's not conducive really to meeting anyone either. (10:29) So I think it was, like, a combination of things.
Scott Benner (10:31) Did you date and mess around a little bit, or were you pretty, like, single?
Roxanna (10:35) Yeah. (10:35) Like, dating, for sure. (10:37) That definitely happened. (10:39) But now I just I don't know whether I'm just too old or just too tired. (10:42) Like, I just I don't know.
Roxanna (10:44) I just don't know if it's in the cards for me. (10:47) Yeah. (10:47) And that's okay. (10:48) Like, I don't that's not something that I have a strong desire to to do.
Scott Benner (10:52) I don't feel like you should. (10:53) I was just asking. (10:54) You you know the movie Scent of a Woman with Al Pacino by any chance?
Roxanna (10:58) I I know of it. (11:00) I don't think I've ever
Scott Benner (11:01) watched it. (11:01) No. (11:01) There's a scene at the end where, he's yelling at some people. (11:05) And, at some point, he yells, I'm too old. (11:08) I'm too tired.
Scott Benner (11:09) I'm too fucking blind. (11:11) Every time somebody says I'm too old, that line runs right through my head. (11:16) Yeah. (11:17) Because it just to me, the the the overall sentiment is I'd love to argue here, but I just don't have it in me. (11:23) The rest of that sense, by the way, is, I'm too blind, too blind to, I'd if I was the man I was if I was half the man I was ten years ago, I'd take a flamethrower to this place.
Scott Benner (11:32) And he's, like, in full Al Pacino mode. (11:34) It's awesome. (11:34) Nevertheless, I'm just interested for reasons that may end up being useless, and I I don't know. (11:41) Like, it it it might help the story come together, and it might have nothing to do with anything. (11:44) But I needed to understand this sort of moving forward.
Scott Benner (11:46) So I appreciate you telling me.
Roxanna (11:47) And I think there's some disappointment, like, in my family. (11:50) Like, I
Scott Benner (11:50) didn't Really?
Roxanna (11:50) Have kids and, you know, I didn't get married. (11:53) I didn't go that route. (11:54) I think part of the ones are, what did we do wrong?
Scott Benner (11:56) Well, are you disappointed?
Roxanna (11:59) I'm not. (12:00) But I think sometimes I feel like or maybe not disappointed, just like
Scott Benner (12:05) But you didn't do the thing What that they expected.
Roxanna (12:08) Yeah. (12:09) Like, what happened to that one? (12:10) Like, was it you know, because we modeled it wrong. (12:14) My parents have been divorced for a very long time, but I also don't see very many happy marriages, honestly, Scott. (12:20) Like, I just I don't.
Scott Benner (12:21) Kidding me? (12:22) I just took the trash out this afternoon. (12:24) Everybody looks happy when I do it. (12:26) How old were you when your parents got divorced?
Roxanna (12:29) Oh, gosh. (12:29) I think I was six or seven, and then my mom got remarried once. (12:33) And my dad this is his third marriage, I think. (12:38) But they've been together for a very long time now.
Scott Benner (12:41) Your mom's remarriage took? (12:42) Is he still around?
Roxanna (12:44) No. (12:44) Mm-mm. (12:45) They only lasted probably about a year.
Scott Benner (12:47) Oh, so as a young kid, you saw your original father, your OG dad go
Roxanna (12:52) Mhmm.
Scott Benner (12:53) Then new dad was there and gone. (12:54) Were there, other guys coming in and out, or did she give up after a bit? (12:58) So
Roxanna (12:58) No. (12:58) She was pretty much done.
Scott Benner (13:00) She's like, that's it. (13:02) I I ain't doing this again. (13:03) Well, that Yeah. (13:04) Maybe that's where I mean, maybe that got modeled on top of you somehow. (13:08) Yeah.
Scott Benner (13:08) You know?
Roxanna (13:09) Yeah. (13:09) Maybe so.
Scott Benner (13:10) Well, at least it opened you up to that travel nursing, which from what I understand pays pretty well. (13:14) So congratulations on that.
Roxanna (13:16) Yeah. (13:16) I had a good time doing that. (13:17) I don't do it any longer, but, I kinda stopped during COVID. (13:21) But Oh. (13:22) I definitely had some good experiences and saw a lot of things and learned a lot of things for sure.
Scott Benner (13:26) I bet. (13:27) Are you still a nurse today?
Roxanna (13:29) I am. (13:30) Yeah.
Scott Benner (13:30) Yeah. (13:30) Just doing it.
Roxanna (13:31) I'm a pediatric CBC. (13:32) Yes. (13:32) So Right. (13:33) Yeah. (13:33) I do a lot of I work in a clinic now, mostly outpatient stuff.
Scott Benner (13:37) You told me that. (13:38) I don't know why I didn't remember. (13:39) I'm up. (13:39) It's probably because it's Friday afternoon. (13:41) I apologize.
Scott Benner (13:42) And my wife is texting me about this thing at the same time. (13:44) Plus, I'm thinking about son of a woman now. (13:46) There's a lot going on in my mind.
Roxanna (13:47) Okay. (13:48) I get it.
Scott Benner (13:48) I'm sorry about that. (13:50) Okay. (13:50) So how do you and I end up together? (13:53) Because I feel like somebody hooked us up so that you could be on.
Roxanna (13:57) Kenny Fox is a mutual friend of ours. (14:00) So he kind of said, do you know what you should do? (14:02) You should get on the podcast with Scott Benner. (14:04) I was like, I sure. (14:06) Why not?
Roxanna (14:06) Cool. (14:07) Sounds like a good time.
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Roxanna (16:33) I think because the position I'm in, right, as an educator for kids with diabetes, like, I touch a lot of, like, their, you know, diabetes management, and I use the podcast as a resource or recommend it as a resource for a lot of our families, whether newly diagnosed or not.
Scott Benner (16:52) Mhmm.
Roxanna (16:52) Because I have a touching point with every single, you know, kid that comes into our practice. (16:59) So I always recommend it, and he knew that. (17:02) And I have a little binder even that I have, like, you know, I've made that has Juice Box podcast on it with, you know, some QR codes and then all, like, the series that I recommend to the families that, you know, please, like, if you wanna understand it, like, you know, I will talk to you all. (17:18) You need to talk about whatever, but I think this is gonna be more helpful to you.
Scott Benner (17:24) Okay. (17:25) Thank you.
Roxanna (17:26) Yeah. (17:26) And so a lot of families take me up on it, and those families do incredibly well for the most part.
Scott Benner (17:31) Okay. (17:32) So, I mean, you're diagnosed a decade ago. (17:34) Fair enough.
Roxanna (17:35) Mhmm. (17:35) Mhmm.
Scott Benner (17:36) I mean, did you find the podcast before you you like, you and Kenny, like I'm trying to figure out, like, what the the timeline is. (17:42) Like, you find the podcast for you personally or you use it for professionally or, like, how does all that work?
Roxanna (17:49) It was definitely personally at first. (17:52) You know, the first couple of years after I was diagnosed were really rough for me. (17:56) I didn't know what I was doing. (17:59) I was one of those people that had no idea what really diabetes was. (18:03) I mean, I knew what it was.
Roxanna (18:04) Like I said, I'd taken care of lots of kids in DKA, but that was the extent. (18:09) I knew that these kids came in, and they were a lot of work. (18:12) Mhmm. (18:12) Mhmm. (18:13) And they were really sick most of the time.
Roxanna (18:14) And my job was just to because I did pick you. (18:17) I didn't do any of the education aspect. (18:19) I just wanted to get them out of the pick you as soon as possible to the floor where they could do whatever they needed to do, and that was kind of a mystery to me what happened after that.
Scott Benner (18:27) Yeah.
Roxanna (18:27) And when I was diagnosed adults, and this is part of the reason why I started doing what I'm doing now, I realized how bad the education was there. (18:36) It was assumed because I was a nurse that I kind of knew what I was doing, but they essentially handed me, you know, after a week and a half in the hospital, however long I was there, handed me two pens and said, you know, we'll see you in a month. (18:50) Like and I was like, wait. (18:51) What? (18:52) What do I do with this?
Roxanna (18:54) No. (18:54) Thank you. (18:55) Asked me to, like yeah.
Scott Benner (18:56) No. (18:56) Thank you. (18:57) No. (18:57) Out of, like, two things. (18:58) I'm good.
Roxanna (18:59) I was like, I'm was like, I have no idea. (19:02) So I really did miserably. (19:04) I was in think part of it was denial, I think, but part of it was I just didn't know what I was doing, and I didn't get much help from my endocrinologist.
Scott Benner (19:15) Okay.
Roxanna (19:16) Not that they were bad people,
Scott Benner (19:17) but
Roxanna (19:18) I think they are just they don't really know how to help, I think, a lot of the time. (19:23) So I did not do well. (19:26) You know, COVID hit, and I stopped traveling. (19:30) And I think I just realized, like, my niece was diagnosed, and that was kind of like a that triggering point for me to say, okay. (19:38) I've gotta figure this out.
Roxanna (19:40) Like, if not for me, like, for her. (19:42) Oh. (19:43) Because she was only, like, 10 or 11 at the time that she's diagnosed.
Scott Benner (19:46) If it wasn't for her diagnosis, do you think you would have gone on suffering personally?
Roxanna (19:51) I think yeah. (19:52) Maybe not indefinitely. (19:53) I think I would have, like, gotten to feel so badly that, hopefully, I would have turned things around. (19:59) But she was kind of like the starting point for me when I was like, okay. (20:03) Like, I've gotta figure this out.
Roxanna (20:05) And I did. (20:06) I started finding everything that I could about diabetes. (20:11) Podcasts, books, like, just anything I could figure out on my own. (20:16) And, you know, I certainly asked my endocrinologist some to help, but they are busy people.
Scott Benner (20:21) Yeah. (20:22) Can can you help contextualize something for me, best you can? (20:26) Right? (20:26) I mean, you do what you do for a living.
Roxanna (20:29) Mhmm.
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Roxanna (21:51) Diabetes is so undereducated on, I think, because it's really complex, and it's not black and white, and there's a lot of gray in it. (22:01) So I think nursing school does not prepare you for diabetes management at all. (22:09) I don't think med school does either or PA school or a nurse practitioner. (22:13) Like, I don't think that's not gone over, like, in detail at all.
Scott Benner (22:16) Specific to diabetes, what does it prepare you for?
Roxanna (22:20) That it exists, that there's a disease out there that causes high blood sugars and a lot of problems. (22:26) Like, even the difference between type one and type two, like, I wasn't entirely clear on.
Scott Benner (22:31) How long had you been an ICU nurse?
Roxanna (22:33) Oh, close to ten years.
Scott Benner (22:35) If I asked you ten years ago, a day before you were diagnosed, how good of a nurse are you? (22:40) What what would you have said?
Roxanna (22:42) I would have said, I think I do an okay job. (22:45) Yeah. (22:45) As a baby nurse, I mean, I don't I didn't know anything starting out in nursing school either in general. (22:50) I do nothing about anything, much less diabetes. (22:53) But I think I had the potential to be a good nurse.
Scott Benner (22:57) But you had only started with babies. (22:59) There's only a certain amount of information you needed. (23:01) You were doing a good job at that.
Roxanna (23:04) Yes. (23:04) Yeah. (23:04) I mean, like, it was definitely you know, when I started out as an ICU nurse, it's very steep learning curve. (23:10) Like, there's a lot being thrown at you, and there are some sick kids that you're dealing with. (23:14) Diabetes is usually not like an acute know, you unless they're a DKA.
Roxanna (23:18) It's not like an acute you know, where you're gonna see someone in the ICU. (23:22) It's more of a chronic.
Scott Benner (23:23) Let me be more specific with my question. (23:26) If I asked you back then what kind of a nurse you are, you weren't disinterested. (23:30) You weren't just there for the check. (23:31) You weren't also doing, like, crack cocaine on the side. (23:35) You were No.
Scott Benner (23:36) You were, an an earnest employee doing their best with a good education behind you.
Roxanna (23:42) Absolutely. (23:42) Yes. (23:43) Yeah. (23:43) I'm one of those people that's gonna put in the effort to whatever I do
Scott Benner (23:47) Gotcha.
Roxanna (23:47) And do it well.
Scott Benner (23:49) And yet you were in no way prepared to take care of somebody with diabetes being yourself, so you also weren't prepared for somebody else to be doing it. (23:57) The next obvious answer or question, I believe, comes up is that how come this exists in specialty too? (24:03) Like, how come I can get to an endocrinologist who's also not well equipped?
Roxanna (24:08) Well, I mean, I think there are certainly endocrinologists out there that aren't well equipped, and I don't have an answer for that because they, of all people, should be equipped and should have some kind of grasp on what diabetes is. (24:21) But I have certainly met my share of endocrinologists that don't.
Scott Benner (24:28) Okay. (24:29) Like, also, let me say this upfront. (24:31) I imagine there are a lot of endocrinologists that are awesome. (24:34) And Yes. (24:35) Yeah.
Scott Benner (24:35) I'm not not
Roxanna (24:36) I work with some amazing providers.
Scott Benner (24:38) Even suggesting that that's not the case. (24:40) But when it goes wrong, do you see any common connectors between the ones it goes wrong with? (24:46) Are they ladder climbing, just there for the money? (24:49) Anything you could, like, say, oh, they all seem to have this in common?
Roxanna (24:53) I mean, maybe, like, just disinterest. (24:56) I mean, because endocrinologist is not they don't just do diabetes. (24:59) Sure. (24:59) Right? (25:00) Like, that's part of what they do.
Roxanna (25:02) So I think that endocrinologists can have their quote, favorites that they like to take care of. (25:09) Like, our, you know, not even just endocrinologists, but, like, our nurse practitioners and PAs too that are in endocrinology.
Scott Benner (25:15) Right.
Roxanna (25:16) You know, some are more interested in growth hormones. (25:18) Some are more interested in thyroid. (25:21) Like, so they all have, like, their their niche kinda, like, groups too unless you're a specific diabetologist, but those are even more hard to find. (25:30) So maybe that's part of it.
Scott Benner (25:32) Would you say that when somebody finds themselves in that situation, like, oh, I prefer, like, you know, you think it's conscious, I guess, is my question? (25:39) Or do you think that they're maybe unconsciously don't give the same effort to the things that they aren't maybe as learned about or not as interested in?
Roxanna (25:47) I think it's maybe it's that they get feel frustrated or, like, it's that they don't they can't understand it. (25:57) Right? (25:57) So they don't feel like they can ever have a grasp on it, especially if you don't have it or caring for someone with it.
Scott Benner (26:05) Yeah.
Roxanna (26:05) Diabetes is a really tough disease to understand if you're not in either one of those positions.
Scott Benner (26:10) Right. (26:10) Maybe they they have, like, impostor syndrome in inside of that to some degree.
Roxanna (26:15) Maybe. (26:15) Like, all they know is, okay. (26:17) Well, I know that this is what you're supposed to do, and, you know, are you doing it? (26:21) And they say yes, and it's still not working. (26:24) And you don't understand why.
Scott Benner (26:26) Okay.
Roxanna (26:27) And that's the same, I think, frustration families get too. (26:29) And that's why I think they lose a lot of faith in their the health care system and their providers because they're doing what their whoever told them to do, you know, their endocrinologist or nurse practitioner or whoever it is said, okay. (26:41) This is x amount of carbs. (26:42) If you just use this simple formula and dose, you know, when you eat carbs, then it should work, and your blood sugar should be fine. (26:51) Well, when that doesn't work, and most of the time that doesn't work because there are so many variables going on, then they're like, this doesn't work?
Roxanna (26:59) Like, what am I supposed to do? (27:00) And then the provider's like, I don't know.
Scott Benner (27:04) I don't know.
Roxanna (27:05) Try this.
Scott Benner (27:06) How the hell should I know,
Roxanna (27:07) Connie? (27:09) Exactly.
Scott Benner (27:11) Okay. (27:11) So I'm gonna take you back to your to your niece being diagnosed, and you start running around looking for information. (27:16) You kinda, you know, catch yourself out out of that fog maybe you're in. (27:21) What do you learn first? (27:22) What's more what's most valuable to you?
Scott Benner (27:24) What allows you to start laying a foundation under yourself and getting going?
Roxanna (27:29) I think the first thing that, you know, just even started me on the right path was just knowing that there were people out there that could do this, that were achieving. (27:38) It wasn't just something that's completely out of my control and unmanageable, which is kind of what I thought it was. (27:43) I think that gave me a lot of hope, and I just wanted to figure out what those people were doing. (27:48) And those people being, you know, like people I heard from on the podcast or, you know, I read Think Like a Pancreas and a couple other books. (27:57) Just anything that I could find to help me understand and understanding how insulin works.
Roxanna (28:03) I think that was, like, the first piece that, like, taught me, okay. (28:09) Now I know how insulin works. (28:11) Then I can match it to what other variable I have, understanding what it does to, like, my blood sugar. (28:18) And that, I think, was my first real understanding of diabetes, and a lot more has come. (28:25) And I still learn something new every day.
Roxanna (28:27) Right? (28:27) But I think that was the first piece that really helped me understand.
Scott Benner (28:32) I have a question that'll feel self serving if you don't like me. (28:35) If you do like me, it'll just sound like a question where we get to an answer. (28:38) The idea of understanding how insulin works being the basis for moving forward. (28:43) I mean, that's how I talk about it. (28:45) So do you think it because I told you to think it, or do you think it because you heard a bunch of stuff and that was your natural decision?
Roxanna (28:53) I think you certainly helped lead me there, if not, you know, if we're at the the starting point for it.
Scott Benner (29:00) Okay.
Roxanna (29:00) I don't know. (29:01) It just I think it just came to me. (29:03) Like, I was like, okay. (29:05) Well, this is how insulin works, then I can figure it out from here. (29:10) And I don't all the time, but at least I understand why, it's not working most of the time.
Scott Benner (29:16) Right. (29:16) I ask I I wanna be clear about why I asked because I'm trying to decide, is this the right answer, or is it just one of many right answers and you went with it because you heard me say it, and then it worked out for you. (29:30) Because when I started saying that out loud, I didn't I wanna be clear with everybody. (29:34) I didn't really a 100% know if that was right or not. (29:37) I just for me, I was like, this feels like to me, it all starts with understanding how insulin works.
Roxanna (29:42) Mhmm.
Scott Benner (29:42) And then if you don't have that, then not only are you incapable of covering food and and needs and etcetera, you don't understand why you're getting high. (29:51) You don't understand why you're getting low. (29:52) You can end up with a fear of insulin. (29:54) You don't use enough of it. (29:55) Like, it it snowballs.
Scott Benner (29:56) But you understand that, like, I I hope everyone listening understands, like, I didn't go to college. (30:01) Like, I don't have any background in this, like, like, professionally. (30:05) No one told me these things. (30:06) It all just started coming to me, like, as I was living through it. (30:10) So I was interested to know if you if there was a delineation between, like, the information and your understanding or if it if it all kinda blended together.
Scott Benner (30:18) But I appreciate your answer, but thank you. (30:20) I just wanted to make sure you understood why I was asking.
Roxanna (30:22) Yeah. (30:23) I do remember the first podcast I listened to of yours was the newly diagnosed or starting over because just by my searching, well, that's what popped up. (30:30) Right? (30:31) And I don't remember even exactly, like, what it said, but that kind of was what started me on, I can figure this out. (30:38) And from there, it just it just anything I could get a hold of, I wanted to know.
Scott Benner (30:44) Awesome. (30:44) Well, I'm glad. (30:45) I'm I'm glad it got you there. (30:47) So how long after you fix fix yourself up, do you offer this information back to your niece or do you like, I mean, do you guys become like a partner in crime here on this or how does that benefit her or did did it not?
Roxanna (30:59) My niece is pretty sure that I gave her diabetes. (31:02) Oh,
Scott Benner (31:03) but at thanksgiving would you hug her at thanksgiving or something like that? (31:06) Get your cooties on her?
Roxanna (31:07) Gone to I'd come home for Christmas. (31:10) I was there visiting, and we had gone to the movies and with my mom and my brother who it's her dad.
Scott Benner (31:16) Mhmm.
Roxanna (31:17) And she was sitting next to me, and she had gotten a box of Sour Patch Kids. (31:22) And she had had a big thing of water too. (31:25) So we went and saw this movie. (31:27) I don't remember what the movie was. (31:28) It wasn't a very long movie, but that girl, she ate her box of Sour Patch Kids and went through her water, my water, her dad's water, everyone's water, and had gone to the bathroom countless times.
Roxanna (31:39) And we left that movie theater, and I said, I think we need to check her blood sugar.
Scott Benner (31:46) Oh, you said it that fast.
Roxanna (31:47) She lost her mind.
Scott Benner (31:48) Yeah. (31:49) Well, say, honey, you just drank $24 worth of bottled water, so we're gonna have to check on this. (31:53) Okay?
Roxanna (31:54) She was so mad, and I was leaving the next day for my next contract. (31:57) So, she just was and my mom was like, you know, let's not make a scene. (32:02) Let's just go home. (32:04) Think about this. (32:05) And I was like, okay.
Roxanna (32:07) Like but I think we should check her blood sugar. (32:09) Like, she looks thinner. (32:11) I I felt like they didn't have that perspective because they see her all the time. (32:14) Was coming home. (32:15) I hadn't seen her in six months or
Scott Benner (32:17) You saw it.
Roxanna (32:17) You know, longer at that point. (32:20) And she was so bad at me. (32:22) She refused to say goodbye to me the next day. (32:24) She wouldn't come near me because she was afraid I was gonna poke her finger. (32:27) And then that was right before Christmas, and I went to do my next contract in, which was about three hours away.
Roxanna (32:34) And about two weeks later, I was working in the PICU, and the charging nurse came up to me and said, I just wanna let you know that your niece is being here in severe DKA.
Scott Benner (32:43) So I have a couple of questions. (32:45) First of all, when you said it, do you think they were like, oh, this one's got diabetes. (32:49) Now she thinks everybody has diabetes. (32:50) Was that there a vibe there like that? (32:53) Okay.
Roxanna (32:53) My brother told me to quit being dramatic is what he told me.
Scott Benner (32:56) Ah, hold on a second. (32:57) He must owe you a good birthday present too. (32:59) Yes. (33:00) And then my next question is more on a, like, a psychological difficulty level. (33:05) How hard was it knowing what happened to you leaving there, being sure she had type one and nobody was listening to you?
Roxanna (33:13) Yeah. (33:13) You know, looking back, like, I am mad at myself because that could have been prevented. (33:18) She was very sick.
Scott Benner (33:20) Right.
Roxanna (33:21) And it was it was just sad. (33:24) She, you know, rolled in and her and I was working at the time. (33:27) Right? (33:27) So she rolled in from the helicopter with my brother, like, right behind her, and my brother's just looking at me like and it took all I had in me not to say I told you so.
Scott Benner (33:36) No kidding. (33:37) Because she is half dead Or would it because it would have been inappropriate. (33:41) But you were thinking, you Oh, thank I told you this was gonna happen, and and no one listens to me. (33:47) And Yeah. (33:48) Do oh, I would have had all those thoughts I was
Roxanna (33:50) furious he let her get that sick and feel that badly. (33:52) I was I was mad. (33:54) That was definitely, I feel like, the starting point, you know, of it all. (33:58) And then, you know, a couple of years after that, when my nephew was diagnosed, who I was actually working here at the time at the same hospital that he came to, my brother called me and said, we're on the way to the ED. (34:09) And I said, why are you on the way to the ED?
Roxanna (34:12) And he said, well, I think, you know, has COVID or the flu or is sick, and he might have type two diabetes.
Scott Benner (34:19) And
Roxanna (34:20) I said, type two diabetes?
Scott Benner (34:22) How old?
Roxanna (34:23) He was 14, I think, at the time.
Scott Benner (34:26) Okay. (34:27) Wait. (34:27) Same brother or different brother?
Roxanna (34:29) Same brother.
Scott Benner (34:30) Same brother.
Roxanna (34:32) Yep. (34:32) And so I was like he's like, well, you know, we checked his blood sugar at home, and it was reading high or 400 or something. (34:41) I said, Jonathan, he has type one diabetes. (34:46) He was like, no. (34:46) I don't think so.
Roxanna (34:48) He really thought it type two, but gets there. (34:51) He's also in, you know, severe DKA, and he gets life flighted also too.
Scott Benner (34:55) Your brother's a little thick. (34:57) A little a little, like, in the head? (34:59) That's
Roxanna (34:59) the thing. (34:59) He's an incredibly smart guy. (35:01) Like, he he knows, like, and I think he knew, like, in his mind, as well. (35:07) I think he was just kind of hoping that it was that's not what it was.
Scott Benner (35:11) Can I say sometimes sometimes I let the stories tell the lesson, and sometimes I like to go back and point so that I make sure you guys don't miss the lesson in the stories? (35:22) I think and I don't love that as a podcasting thing. (35:26) Like, I was actually just listening to a podcast today where the guy explained to me what he was gonna tell me before he told me, and I said, you could've just told me. (35:32) I would've figured it out. (35:32) That's how I thought about it.
Scott Benner (35:33) But I think this is important to maybe highlight for a second. (35:37) Your brother, who you're describing as a bright person, right, who clearly loves his children Yes. (35:43) Is told by his sister, who's an ICU nurse who has type one diabetes, hey. (35:47) I think your daughter has type one diabetes. (35:49) And not only did he not listen, but it took him two weeks and an illness that was so unavoidable to actually come to grips with it.
Scott Benner (35:58) And then it happened to him again, and he had the same experience. (36:02) So I'm underlining that for everybody who finds themselves blaming themselves for not figuring it out sooner.
Roxanna (36:08) Mhmm.
Scott Benner (36:09) Like, because your brother didn't have to figure it out. (36:11) Someone told him, and he still couldn't bring himself to to make that leap. (36:17) Yeah. (36:17) So I wish people wouldn't hold themselves at, to such a high standard on this one. (36:23) I think it's an incredibly difficult thing to come to grips with or to figure out.
Roxanna (36:27) It really is. (36:28) And after my niece was diagnosed, you know, I am a firm believer in screening and that we should be doing it and hopefully one day at a general population level. (36:37) But at least, you know, now with, if you have family history, that it doesn't have to be that way. (36:44) It doesn't have to be like a traumatic diagnosis. (36:46) And I made everyone that was eligible to get testing at the time through trial net get, their antibodies tested, my my siblings.
Scott Benner (36:54) Well, yeah, you had a lot of power by then.
Roxanna (36:56) Yeah. (36:58) And the only one that did not get their auto weighted bodies tested was my Oh,
Scott Benner (37:03) sorry. (37:04) I was just I thought John I thought your brother John for sure was the one that was gonna be like, no. (37:08) I'll I'll remain hard headed on this. (37:09) By the way, your nephew didn't?
Roxanna (37:11) Yeah. (37:12) And I get it that he he also has Down syndrome. (37:14) So he is a little bit challenging for sure. (37:17) So getting him to
Scott Benner (37:18) He didn't want to do to
Roxanna (37:19) that would have been challenging, but ironically.
Scott Benner (37:23) I just interviewed a lady the other day who has, whose child has Down syndrome and type one.
Roxanna (37:28) Yeah. (37:28) He's hard. (37:29) He you know, my brother has his he works hard with them. (37:35) It's that's hard.
Scott Benner (37:36) It's a lot. (37:37) Yeah.
Roxanna (37:37) Yeah. (37:38) It's a lot. (37:38) I can't get him to wear a CGM or anything. (37:40) He's just living his best life.
Scott Benner (37:43) Okay. (37:43) Wow. (37:44) Alright. (37:47) You're like an oracle in that family that no one listens to.
Roxanna (37:50) Yeah. (37:50) I know. (37:51) That's what I say all the time. (37:52) So
Scott Benner (37:55) when I said to you, do your friends ping you once a year to say, do you remember when I saved your life? (38:00) I assume they don't because they're not related to you. (38:03) But I bet you're up your brother's ass all the time about this.
Roxanna (38:06) Yeah. (38:06) I try to keep it in check, but
Scott Benner (38:08) sometimes I just Yeah. (38:12) Sometimes you gotta, like, whip it out, I would imagine. (38:14) Right?
Roxanna (38:14) Yes. (38:15) But he has certainly helped me out with a lot of things myself. (38:18) So, I mean, he's he's an incredibly bright guy.
Scott Benner (38:22) Yeah. (38:22) He
Roxanna (38:22) really is. (38:23) He just, I think, it's just hard.
Scott Benner (38:25) I million percent think it's incredibly difficult to just make the leap.
Roxanna (38:28) So Yeah. (38:29) Screen. (38:29) Everyone should screen.
Scott Benner (38:30) Yeah. (38:30) No kidding. (38:32) But but what was I gonna say? (38:33) Oh, okay. (38:34) So now you have all this information.
Scott Benner (38:35) You got family members. (38:37) You're doing better, I imagine, at some point. (38:40) When do you make the shift in your profession? (38:42) Like, when do you say, hey. (38:43) I think I could teach this?
Roxanna (38:44) I think after I realized that I mean, if I can do this, like, surely anyone could do it.
Scott Benner (38:50) Yeah. (38:52) That's what you said. (38:55) You're like, well, I did it. (38:56) So by the way, that's what I say when I make the podcast. (38:58) I'm like, I figured it out.
Scott Benner (38:58) You guys should easily be able to do it. (39:01) Yeah. (39:01) And I just kind of it just kind of
Roxanna (39:03) fell on my lap, honestly. (39:04) I was COVID. (39:06) I decided to stop doing travel nursing and I was at home visiting and I was laying on the couch at like 02:00 at night, like just scrolling through possible job opportunities because I knew I didn't wanna travel anymore. (39:21) And there was a position for an educator at our local children's hospital. (39:27) And I was like, I think I could probably do that.
Roxanna (39:29) Like, I think that sounds like something I could do and, like, I would have a passion for.
Scott Benner (39:33) Mhmm.
Roxanna (39:34) And, I applied and, I think at, like, 2AM, and they called me at, like, 8AM, like, the next morning saying, can you come in for an interview? (39:43) Because I don't think anyone else wanted the job, quite frankly.
Scott Benner (39:46) They came in in the morning like, hey. (39:48) We got a sucker on the line. (39:49) Hold on a second.
Roxanna (39:51) That is exactly how it how I imagine this happened. (39:55) And I was hired very shortly after I went through a few interviews. (40:00) And, I don't think there was any other option. (40:03) So
Scott Benner (40:04) I was just talking to a nurse yesterday who was asking me about if I could put resources together for her to give to people because she shares the podcast with all people a lot. (40:13) She's like, could you make a printout or something that I could print out over and over again? (40:16) And we kinda talked back and forth about what it was. (40:18) And I chatted I was on the phone with her. (40:19) And I chatted with her for a couple of minutes.
Scott Benner (40:21) But what's going on? (40:22) She's like, oh, it's we're pretty rural. (40:24) And, you know, we did get an endocrinologist finally, but he filled up so quickly that it now takes a year to get an appointment with him.
Roxanna (40:32) Oh my.
Scott Benner (40:33) Like, that fast. (40:34) As fast as he got there, the the place was basically closed to new to new clients. (40:39) Like, just just like that. (40:40) Yeah.
Roxanna (40:41) We have actually had some luck, recruiting some good providers to us. (40:47) So we are we there was a time when it was really hard to get in, but now I feel like we are in a much better spot in terms of
Scott Benner (40:53) A little better.
Roxanna (40:53) Offering provider spots.
Scott Benner (40:55) Let me ask about the timeline one more time. (40:57) So you're diagnosed ten years ago ish? (41:00) Mhmm. (41:01) Okay. (41:02) Around COVID time, you maybe kinda pull it together a little bit, figure things out.
Scott Benner (41:06) Right?
Roxanna (41:07) Mhmm. (41:08) Yep.
Scott Benner (41:08) And now at that point, you have the podcast as a as a tool for yourself. (41:13) Mhmm. (41:13) Okay. (41:13) Yep. (41:14) You start doing this job how much later?
Roxanna (41:16) I mean, was around COVID. (41:18) Like, when I I got this job during COVID, that was, what, 2021?
Scott Benner (41:23) Okay. (41:24) Okay. (41:24) Yeah. (41:25) So I'm gonna ask a question again. (41:26) It's gonna sound self serving.
Scott Benner (41:27) I don't really mean for it to be, but I've been saying for years, maybe more privately than on the podcast that, like, one of my goals is to kinda help be part of putting a new, I don't know, generation of educators out into the world who are thinking more boldly about how to use insulin and stuff like that? (41:45) Like, is it fair to say that, like, not that you need me, but you're a protege of the podcast out there in the world kind of thing?
Roxanna (41:51) I would say yes. (41:53) I mean, I get a lot of my management, approach to how the podcast approach to diabetes.
Scott Benner (42:03) Okay.
Roxanna (42:04) Because that is kind of how I learned. (42:06) So, that's kind of how I
Scott Benner (42:08) How you teach?
Roxanna (42:08) Evolved into my own teaching and education.
Scott Benner (42:12) Okay. (42:12) So you learn that way, you manage yourself that way, you talk to people that way. (42:17) Are they having outcomes similar to yours? (42:20) Guess, so my question is is that we put all this I could be setting myself up for a big no here that I guess will make me cry. (42:26) But is that helping people?
Roxanna (42:30) I yes. (42:31) Sure. (42:32) Absolutely. (42:32) I think if they actually take the time to figure it out, and I'm not saying it's easy, but it does take effort on the parts of, like, the families. (42:44) I can't teach them everything.
Roxanna (42:47) I mean, I wish I could, but, you know, everyone's diabetes is also a little bit different. (42:52) And I hope that what I give them is the, like, impetus to, like, them to go further.
Scott Benner (43:00) Mhmm.
Roxanna (43:01) Because they spend, you know, what, point o 5% of their they come see even at coming seeing us every three months, they spend, like, point zero five percent of their lives with me and with the with our clinic. (43:13) My hope and what I want the families to know is that to, like, them to feel like empowered, I guess, is the right right word Mhmm. (43:23) To understand that diabetes doesn't it's always there. (43:26) Like, you can't come to us once every three to four months and expect to make us to make one change on your basal rate and to be okay.
Scott Benner (43:35) That's gonna be the whole thing. (43:37) And that is some people's expectation.
Roxanna (43:39) Yeah. (43:39) And that and that's what I really hope that families understand that they as long as they understand what they're doing and why they're doing it and doing it safely, like, they don't don't ask permission to change your carb ratio
Scott Benner (43:55) Right.
Roxanna (43:56) Or your basal rate. (43:57) Like, that's what I we are here to help you get through those questions. (44:01) But really, it's I want them to know that this is how diabetes is gonna work. (44:06) Okay. (44:07) That I want you to understand why you're doing it and how insulin works and all those things and the possible variables that could be in there.
Roxanna (44:14) It's going to be a lot on the family, and that's not fair. (44:17) But that's how diabetes is. (44:19) It's one of those rare diseases that, you know, you're kinda making decisions on your own. (44:26) We're not telling you how much to take or when to take it.
Scott Benner (44:29) It's you.
Roxanna (44:29) For the most part, it's on you.
Scott Benner (44:31) So this obvious doesn't need to be perfect, but one out of ten, two out of ten, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine out how many out of 10 families do you think have an outcome that makes you say, hey. (44:43) They get this and they're putting it to practice?
Roxanna (44:47) Oh, I would say, let's go with 60%.
Scott Benner (44:52) 60%. (44:53) Okay. (44:53) That's pretty great. (44:55) Do you think the other 40% get it at some point, or do you think there's another barrier that your interaction with them can't help with?
Roxanna (45:05) Oh, yeah. (45:06) I mean, I think they're certainly barriers. (45:09) I mean and I think some people, like, even myself, like, it just takes them a while to figure it out
Scott Benner (45:16) Right.
Roxanna (45:17) Or to want to figure it out. (45:19) Because you can talk until you're blue in the face to someone, and then tell they're ready, they're not ready. (45:25) Right. (45:25) And there's not really much you can do about it. (45:27) All you can do is offer them you know, continue to encourage and support and, you know, be there to answer their questions.
Roxanna (45:35) Mhmm. (45:36) Generally, like, threats or, you know, scaring kids
Scott Benner (45:40) No. (45:41) That's gonna
Roxanna (45:41) work. (45:41) Or families doesn't really work well. (45:43) Yeah.
Scott Benner (45:44) I mean,
Roxanna (45:44) there are some teenagers that it works well with, but, typically, it's not gonna work. (45:48) And there's nothing you can do to enforce that, at least nothing that I found that that works. (45:54) It just doesn't.
Scott Benner (45:55) Of those, like, 40% of people, do you still think some of them are gonna get it at some point?
Roxanna (46:00) I do. (46:01) Yeah. (46:01) I mean, I'm case in point. (46:02) I didn't get it at first.
Scott Benner (46:04) Right.
Roxanna (46:05) And I eventually got there, but it did take it did take a while of acceptance and learning and and all those things to get me where I am.
Scott Benner (46:15) Mhmm.
Roxanna (46:15) And not that I am perfect by any means, but I certainly, you know, am not
Scott Benner (46:20) Pretty far along.
Roxanna (46:21) Where I was. (46:22) Yeah. (46:23) Where I would literally just go to work and be like, oh, forgot to put my pump on after that shower. (46:29) Oh, well.
Scott Benner (46:30) Are there people that for whatever reason, financial, educational, intellectual, whatever, are there people who you've I gave you a million dollars and I made you bet, you'd bet against them ever figuring it out? (46:43) And do those people have anything in common that you can identify, if so?
Roxanna (46:48) I think that there's always a way. (46:51) It may not be a way that you expect or the traditional way. (46:54) I think a lot of it has to do with, the health literacy
Scott Benner (46:58) Okay.
Roxanna (46:59) And the way that it's approached. (47:02) Because we, you know, we approach everything, like, the same way, and every family is a little different. (47:07) Like, you know, some families do really well with they want all the information up front, and they're you know, why didn't you tell us this from the very beginning? (47:14) And some families need a slower introduction
Scott Benner (47:17) to
Roxanna (47:18) things to not feel so overwhelmed and, like, burdened by it and just throw their hands up immediately and say, this is impossible. (47:24) And they makes them give up right then and there. (47:27) So I think it's also about, like, sealing out families a little bit. (47:30) Right? (47:31) Like, everyone's kind of individualized in how they learn.
Roxanna (47:35) I think there's always help for families. (47:38) You just have to find what works for them, you know, whether that's
Scott Benner (47:44) I agree with you, by the way. (47:45) I think there are very rare instances where there's people who just couldn't get it.
Roxanna (47:51) Yeah. (47:51) I I mean, I agree.
Scott Benner (47:53) There's a way to reach up, I would say, most of them. (47:56) Yes. (47:57) My is my anticipation. (47:59) But that's also it's not like you have a podcast. (48:02) You can't talk into the rear five times a week and and make them listen.
Scott Benner (48:06) Right? (48:06) You have them for what? (48:08) A short amount of time quarterly?
Roxanna (48:11) Yeah. (48:11) I do one big class with all of our new kids that come in. (48:15) That's about three hours. (48:16) And then, you know, I'm there as needed kind of after that.
Scott Benner (48:20) How do you get that covered? (48:21) Because my my idea that I've now heard other people say, not only have they wanted to do the same thing, but, apparently, there are studies that again, this is one of these things that I thought I thought of and then I realized I didn't. (48:33) But why can't once a year why can't you take the whole practice? (48:37) I don't know how many people you see in the practice. (48:39) But, like, let's say it's, you know, let's say it's 500 families.
Scott Benner (48:42) How come you can't split them up into, you know, five days of a 100 and do, like, one, like, day long session with all of them to kind of, like, up I know it's a hard thing to bill. (48:54) Right? (48:54) But how do you but how are you doing the one session with the newly diagnosed kids? (48:58) Because you're billing for that too.
Roxanna (49:00) Well, as they can they in order to see a provider, then they have to go to the class first, whether that's being transferred in or whether they're a new onset. (49:08) Mhmm. (49:08) So they have to have a touch point with me before they're even see the provider. (49:14) And that a lot of families get upset with that or not upset. (49:17) Maybe don't understand, I guess, why.
Roxanna (49:19) They've had diabetes for ten years. (49:21) Like, why are we making them go to this, you know, class before they see a provider?
Scott Benner (49:24) Okay.
Roxanna (49:25) But it's a good way to, like, level set. (49:27) Right? (49:27) Like, to I don't know where they came from. (49:30) They could have had been bait not seen anyone for a while and be managing really well or would or have no idea what, you know, long acting insulin and versus rapid acting insulin.
Scott Benner (49:40) Yeah. (49:40) You have to start somewhere. (49:41) You have to get a baseline for everybody.
Roxanna (49:43) Right. (49:44) Yeah. (49:44) And just kind of introduction to how we think about diabetes and, you know, how we manage diabetes Sure. (49:52) And kind of assess where they are and, you know, what they need. (49:56) But that's
Scott Benner (49:58) Does my idea not carry water for you, or did I not articulate it correctly? (50:02) Like, I go speak at touch by type one, right, as an example. (50:05) There's a day there where there's somebody speaking. (50:08) Actually, there's, like, usually four people speaking every hour and you can pick a class to go to. (50:12) Like, is there not a world where you could bring everybody in, keep them there for, you know, a whole day, give them a a a symposium, have them sit through a number of different things, and and level them up in one day instead of trying to level them up fifteen minutes a time, four times a year?
Roxanna (50:30) I mean, I think in theory, yes. (50:32) That's great.
Scott Benner (50:33) Mhmm.
Roxanna (50:33) I don't think you would ever, just based on what I see here, get that level of engagement. (50:39) I mean, they don't even wanna come to the class most of the time. (50:44) Now most families afterwards find it very helpful, and some that's not I'm you know, I'm generalizing here. (50:49) Yeah. (50:50) Some are want to come, and they're very engaged, they're ready to ask questions.
Roxanna (50:54) But most are like, why on earth do I need to come to a class for three hours on diabetes?
Scott Benner (51:00) If you spend the three hours saying, you know, shoveling crap to them and comment it and send stuff that, like, you have to really, like, dig in and tell them something. (51:10) You know? (51:10) Like, you have to make them I mean, that's been my expectation and my finding when I do these public speaking events. (51:15) And I'm I'm certainly not throwing shade at anybody, but somebody's gonna feel that way. (51:20) I've seen sessions that I thought, oh my god.
Scott Benner (51:22) I'd get up and walk out of that. (51:24) Like, I I don't know why anybody's sitting in there. (51:26) Right? (51:27) And I don't just mean to touch, but I I gotta be honest with you. (51:29) I've every place I've ever spoken or been to, I've stuck my head into a room or sat in a room and thought, oh god.
Scott Benner (51:36) What a waste of time. (51:37) And, you know, and when people come out of my sessions, they're like, wow. (51:40) That was great. (51:41) Thank you. (51:42) Like, you know, so, like like I mean, you have to help them at that level.
Scott Benner (51:45) You can't just repeat stuff they've heard already or put them in front of somebody who's speaking who doesn't know what the hell they're talking about or is new to it or is gonna recite the, you know, the company line or something like that.
Roxanna (51:58) Yeah. (51:58) I I agree.
Scott Benner (51:59) I think I'm seeing the problems.
Roxanna (52:01) And I try to make my classes engaging, like, you know, I I do. (52:05) I try to, like especially these new kids that are coming in, and they don't they're easier, I feel like, because they don't know anything typically. (52:13) They don't know what, you know, pre bolusing is or either how insulin works. (52:19) They were sent home from the hospital with very black and white guidelines. (52:21) Like, you you know, you let your kid eat three times a day and free snacks in between, and, you don't correct, but, you know, this amount of times.
Roxanna (52:30) And, so I feel like the class, I hope, in part, it's like, you know, kinda opens their eyes a little bit about you don't have to be so restrictive. (52:40) Like, timing of insulin is important, and we talk about variables and, you know, technology and how important that is and glycemic index and glycemic load. (52:50) Like but some of it, you have to read the room a little bit too, if you know what I mean.
Scott Benner (52:54) Like Sure. (52:55) No. (52:55) No. (52:56) I do. (52:56) I understand.
Roxanna (52:56) Families aren't. (52:58) There are some families that have much better or coming in with much better health literacy than others. (53:03) Mhmm. (53:03) And then it gets really challenging when you put two of those families together or more than that, and they're all on different levels, and you're trying to engage all of them.
Scott Benner (53:10) Health literacy is a polite way of saying what?
Roxanna (53:14) Like, they don't understand how to count carbs or, like, their math skills are just not there.
Scott Benner (53:23) Gotcha.
Roxanna (53:25) Like, that's, I feel like, the polite way of saying it.
Scott Benner (53:28) Are we not slapping, islet pumps on those people? (53:31) Is that not a good idea?
Roxanna (53:33) Yeah. (53:34) We are very pro islet here. (53:35) We do a lot of islet pumps. (53:37) And not necessarily for just kids that were like, oh, they are never gonna figure this out. (53:43) Like, just for kids that are, like, burnout too
Scott Benner (53:45) Yeah.
Roxanna (53:46) And aren't gonna do anything. (53:47) Like, they're not doing anything now. (53:49) And I'm like, if you will just put this pump on and keep it charged and keep it filled with insulin, that's all I expect from you. (53:54) I don't even care if you're bolus. (53:55) Don't bolus.
Roxanna (53:56) Whatever. (53:57) Yeah. (53:58) Just put it on, and those kids do, really well.
Scott Benner (54:02) You're seeing good returns for that.
Roxanna (54:03) What is better.
Scott Benner (54:04) Well, what does that mean, like, a one c
Roxanna (54:06) wise? (54:07) Seven well, like, you know, their a one c's are hanging out ten, eleven, and they go down to a seven, seven and a half.
Scott Benner (54:12) That's hard to argue with, isn't it?
Roxanna (54:14) Yeah. (54:14) With, like, no effort on their parts as long as they are you know, the care and feeding of it is what they call it. (54:20) You know? (54:21) It charged. (54:21) Keeping it charged keeping it on.
Roxanna (54:24) That's all I can ask of them, and that's those teenage years are are tough enough. (54:29) And so I feel like that has helped kids get through
Scott Benner (54:31) I imagine.
Roxanna (54:32) A lot.
Scott Benner (54:33) Yeah. (54:33) I'm a proponent. (54:34) I am a specific use cases, I mean, I I'm I wanna just say, like, unless some things change, like, I wouldn't ask my daughter to wear a pump where she couldn't adjust her insulin or anything like that.
Roxanna (54:44) But Mhmm.
Scott Benner (54:45) For people in that situation, boy, it seems like a slam dunk to me. (54:48) You know?
Roxanna (54:49) Yeah. (54:49) I tried it. (54:50) I tried it for a while. (54:51) I mean, I've tried I've tried all the pump systems
Scott Benner (54:53) Mhmm.
Roxanna (54:54) For the most part, since I've been diagnosed anyway. (54:57) I tried to try them all, and it was not for me for sure. (55:01) Right. (55:02) Right. (55:02) I could see the utility in it, and how helpful it could be.
Roxanna (55:06) I mean, it wasn't horrible by any means. (55:08) Like, I I did okay, just not I'm way too much of a micromanager, I think, to have let that control, though.
Scott Benner (55:13) Right. (55:14) Hey. (55:14) Listen. (55:14) In fairness, I think they're the only palm company that doesn't buy an ad from me. (55:17) And I'm telling you, I if in this use case, I think it makes sense to wallpaper people with them.
Roxanna (55:23) Yeah. (55:23) Yeah. (55:23) Yeah. (55:24) Especially if they're in you know, most people with diabetes aren't even managed by endocrinologists. (55:28) A lot of them are managed in primary care.
Roxanna (55:30) So that's like
Scott Benner (55:30) Different issue.
Roxanna (55:31) A perfect kind of scenario for that situation.
Scott Benner (55:34) Right. (55:34) Because the doctors also double don't know what they're talking about in that in that scenario. (55:38) So you have people who
Roxanna (55:39) They're terrified. (55:40) Right? (55:40) Like, they just wait. (55:41) All I gotta do is put a weight in this thing. (55:43) Great.
Roxanna (55:43) Put it on.
Scott Benner (55:44) Yeah. (55:44) Yeah. (55:44) I I would imagine that's an interesting subset. (55:47) Those are and by the way, I would also imagine that that subset's a lot bigger than you and you might believe while you're listening. (55:53) But there's, people who are not having good outcomes, who don't have, for whatever reason, the the ability to do better, and they've got a doctor who's basically just like, here's insulin so you don't die.
Scott Benner (56:06) And they're like, I get the insulin from the guy so I don't die. (56:09) And that's the extent of their care. (56:10) Right?
Roxanna (56:11) Right. (56:11) Yeah. (56:12) Exactly. (56:12) And that is what most people in The United States, how they receive their diabetes care is in that that exact manner. (56:19) Not enough endocrinologists or, you know, their majority of people with diabetes are being managed by primary care.
Scott Benner (56:26) Yeah. (56:27) Well, you know, there's probably a world where you could make about a five episode podcast series that maybe wasn't more than about twenty minutes long a piece and just, like, email it to people in that scenario, and it it could easily help them understand why an eyelet pump would be a good vibe for them. (56:47) I wish I wish eyelid would reach out to me. (56:49) Feel like we could help those people. (56:50) Not that I'm sure they're doing fine on their own, but I really feel like there's an opportunity there.
Roxanna (56:54) Yeah. (56:55) Yeah. (56:55) I think they it's a great it's a a great option for for a lot of people.
Scott Benner (57:00) Yeah. (57:01) No kidding.
Roxanna (57:02) For sure.
Scott Benner (57:02) What's your a one c right now? (57:03) Can I ask you? (57:04) Put you on the spot.
Roxanna (57:05) I I mean, I maintain, like, a low to mid fives.
Scott Benner (57:09) Look at you. (57:09) Any special, special eating style?
Roxanna (57:13) No. (57:13) I kind of you know, I I mean, I try to eat healthy, quote, healthy, but I certainly eat Oreos every now and then and, you know, everything in, like, moderation is kind of my motto, but I'm definitely not low carb or Yeah. (57:27) You know, I do kind of naturally follow, an intermittent fasting just because I'm not a breakfast person.
Scott Benner (57:32) Mhmm.
Roxanna (57:33) But other than that, I kind of do what I want, eat what I want, but try to eat healthy. (57:41) Okay. (57:41) I have lots of fruits, vegetables, you know, protein kinda situation.
Scott Benner (57:46) Has your niece come to you for help yet, or does she still think you gave her diabetes and
Roxanna (57:49) Oh, heavens. (57:50) No. (57:50) I mean, I make her like, every once in a while, I make her come down, and I'm like, okay. (57:54) Let's look at your Dexcom, like, report because she was one of those kids that did not wanna pump. (57:59) She cried for four hours trying to get a Dexcom on her, and now she wouldn't live without it.
Roxanna (58:03) But every before when she was MDI doing injections, we'd sit down and look at her Dexcom report, and I'd make her go through it. (58:10) So she gets a pretty good idea of, like, what she's doing now. (58:13) Yeah. (58:13) And right now, she's doing she did actually get on a pump just this past summer. (58:17) She did Mobi and is really doing amazing on it.
Roxanna (58:21) I think her a one c is better than mine, honestly.
Scott Benner (58:23) Awesome. (58:24) Good for her.
Roxanna (58:25) Yeah. (58:26) She does she does great. (58:27) She is very independent and takes care of herself and knows what she's doing. (58:31) And I like to think that some of that came from me, but, you know, she's not gonna say that.
Scott Benner (58:36) Yeah. (58:36) No. (58:36) Okay. (58:36) And if everybody listening wants a pump and this is talking into it, in the show notes, you're a podcast player. (58:41) There are links to every pump company except for except for Eyelet.
Scott Benner (58:46) I'm pretty yeah. (58:47) Twist is in there. (58:49) Omnipod, Medtronic, Tandem. (58:52) Yeah. (58:53) I got them all.
Scott Benner (58:54) Go in there. (58:54) And even, CGMs. (58:56) By the way, Dexcom, the implantable Eversense. (59:00) I'm working really hard maybe in 2026 from you here and from, the good people at Libre about their CGM, so it might work out.
Roxanna (59:09) Yeah. (59:09) I'd love to try that twist twist pump in the Eversense, honestly.
Scott Benner (59:13) We
Roxanna (59:13) don't have it available in our area yet. (59:16) It's not quite out. (59:17) But
Scott Benner (59:18) It's twist pump is just loop
Roxanna (59:20) Yeah.
Scott Benner (59:20) Or in a new a new form factor.
Roxanna (59:22) It's not as good as loop. (59:24) No.
Scott Benner (59:24) It's loop it's loop that adjusts with Basal. (59:27) Right?
Roxanna (59:28) Yes. (59:28) It doesn't have the, the auto bolus
Scott Benner (59:30) Yeah.
Roxanna (59:31) Branch on it. (59:32) And I think that's coming, but it's it'll have to go through, like, the FDA, which I hear shouldn't be too painful. (59:37) But it doesn't have you can't do all the custom presets from what I understand. (59:41) Like, there there are two, like, set presets
Scott Benner (59:44) Mhmm.
Roxanna (59:45) That you will lose that kinda The functionality that you have with loop
Scott Benner (59:49) Well
Roxanna (59:50) right now.
Scott Benner (59:50) Once they get the auto bolus version out of it, I would I would say that's makes it even more valuable and more and I and I've heard the same thing that it's it's not fast track, but it's not it's certainly not something they're ignoring, I wouldn't say. (1:00:02) Right. (1:00:02) Yeah.
Roxanna (1:00:03) It's Yeah. (1:00:03) Coming. (1:00:03) I think it has has great potential. (1:00:05) As soon as it is in our area, will certainly give it a try
Scott Benner (1:00:09) Mhmm.
Roxanna (1:00:09) Before, we start doling it out to our children.
Scott Benner (1:00:13) What happened here? (1:00:14) Kenny relocated. (1:00:16) He and his family relocated. (1:00:18) They end up I know. (1:00:19) They end up at your children's hospital.
Scott Benner (1:00:21) So tell me the story.
Roxanna (1:00:22) Well, I just I I mean, I knew I knew of his name just from Loop because I am familiar with, like, looping. (1:00:30) I started well, I knew what looping was, but I started looping myself this past summer.
Scott Benner (1:00:34) Mhmm.
Roxanna (1:00:35) So I recognized the name for sure. (1:00:37) And I was like, what? (1:00:38) I don't think that there's no way. (1:00:41) Like, why would he be here of, all places? (1:00:44) And sure enough, it was him.
Roxanna (1:00:46) We connected, and he sat down and helped me with, like, some loop settings, because I had recently just started looping when he came through.
Scott Benner (1:00:55) Okay.
Roxanna (1:00:56) But, yeah, he saw the JuiceBox binder in class and was like, do you mind if I send a picture of that to Scott? (1:01:04) I was like, sure. (1:01:05) Why not? (1:01:06) Yeah.
Scott Benner (1:01:06) That's so nice.
Roxanna (1:01:07) So he did us in he said, I think this is great. (1:01:09) And he, you know, he had to he came to the class. (1:01:12) And, you know, if there's someone that knows a lot about diabetes and how insulin works, it's Kenny Fox. (1:01:18) And so he thought, you know, the class was at least you know, I think he I don't know if he loved it, but I think he thought it was useful.
Scott Benner (1:01:30) Hey. (1:01:30) That's a win. (1:01:31) Inside of a inside of a health system, that's a win.
Roxanna (1:01:34) I know. (1:01:35) Yeah. (1:01:35) Yeah. (1:01:35) And he was he was a lot of fun to do class with. (1:01:38) I think he was there were several other families in there.
Roxanna (1:01:41) And so we had a good time learning, and he was, you know, he's a very natural educator himself. (1:01:47) So we had a good time. (1:01:49) And he said, you know, he's like, you should before you you should reach out to Scott and do a a podcast. (1:01:56) And I said, why not? (1:01:57) And, actually, our our section chief did a podcast with you.
Roxanna (1:02:01) Name? (1:02:02) A couple years ago. (1:02:04) Doctor John Oden.
Scott Benner (1:02:06) John oh, John's in the, he's in the grand round series.
Roxanna (1:02:10) Yes.
Scott Benner (1:02:10) Yeah. (1:02:10) He was very impressive.
Roxanna (1:02:12) Yeah. (1:02:13) He's a very smart man.
Scott Benner (1:02:14) Yeah.
Roxanna (1:02:15) And has type one himself and takes really good care of our kids.
Scott Benner (1:02:19) No. (1:02:20) I remember thinking when he was done, everybody should have this guy for a doctor.
Roxanna (1:02:25) Yeah. (1:02:26) He's great. (1:02:27) So we are lucky to have him here for sure.
Scott Benner (1:02:29) How does that help the practice when the top thinks about it a certain way? (1:02:34) Does that actually reach everybody, or does that
Roxanna (1:02:37) Yes. (1:02:37) I think that is certainly very influential on how we manage diabetes because it you know, every protocol or practice or how we manage diabetes in the hospital kind of they look to our, you know, our department and therefore our section chief to say how we should do that. (1:02:56) Like, you know, what's the age cutoff for, like, prevola scene and, like, how how we manage, you know, sick day and ketones and that, you know, he's certainly a a voice of leadership, I'd say, in how we do all those things.
Scott Benner (1:03:11) That's awesome. (1:03:12) I'm having a problem here. (1:03:13) This is very embarrassing. (1:03:15) There's a rogue cricket in the room. (1:03:17) K.
Roxanna (1:03:17) I hear it.
Scott Benner (1:03:18) You can hear it. (1:03:19) Mhmm. (1:03:20) What am I gonna do about that?
Roxanna (1:03:22) I think just leave him.
Scott Benner (1:03:23) He's fine. (1:03:24) No. (1:03:24) But it gets in the recording, and now Rob is very upset somewhere. (1:03:28) You understand? (1:03:29) Like, in the few if in the future, Rob is like, what who am I working for?
Scott Benner (1:03:32) Is what he's thinking right now. (1:03:35) This guy can't keep a cricket out of his goddamn office. (1:03:38) I'm so careful with him.
Roxanna (1:03:40) Maybe, yeah, did he escape out of the
Scott Benner (1:03:43) I don't know. (1:03:43) What do
Roxanna (1:03:43) we do?
Scott Benner (1:03:44) Thing. (1:03:44) Yeah. (1:03:45) Well, listen. (1:03:46) I appreciate that you listen. (1:03:47) I that's very nice here.
Scott Benner (1:03:49) Alright. (1:03:49) Give me one second to see if I can figure this out. (1:03:52) I'll be back in two seconds. (1:03:54) I think I've isolated where he is.
Roxanna (1:03:57) It got silent, so you must have done something.
Scott Benner (1:03:59) The the key is to tap on the enclosure. (1:04:03) And once you tap on the right one wherever it is, it stops. (1:04:07) Yeah. (1:04:08) Yeah. (1:04:08) He won't stop for long.
Scott Benner (1:04:10) And then there's another trick where you can kinda, like, crack the door to change the air pressure in there, which kinda throws him off for a while. (1:04:16) So I've done my god. (1:04:19) Look at my life has come to. (1:04:21) I'm not gonna apologize, damn it. (1:04:23) I really like these things, and it's a very comforting part of my life.
Scott Benner (1:04:26) So you guys can all I I need something to take care of my kids got older. (1:04:29) Okay? (1:04:29) So leave me alone.
Roxanna (1:04:30) I'm I'm fine. (1:04:31) I was just gonna ignore I'm very good at tuning things out.
Scott Benner (1:04:34) I but what problem is is when I start talking, you'll hear it behind me. (1:04:38) Like like, Rob will cut out the gaps where you're talking and I'm not talking because that's the only place it's is recorded is on my mic. (1:04:45) So he can just chop that up. (1:04:47) But when I started asking you a question, as soon I open my mouth, you'll hear the chirping behind me at the same time. (1:04:52) Anyway, did you know it's not their legs that make the noise?
Scott Benner (1:04:54) It's they get wings as they get older?
Roxanna (1:04:57) And that's what they rub together?
Scott Benner (1:04:58) Yeah. (1:04:59) And that's what makes the noise. (1:05:00) And
Roxanna (1:05:01) I don't I think I thought I definitely think I thought it was their legs, but that makes sense.
Scott Benner (1:05:05) That's probably from Disney. (1:05:06) You thought that with Jiminy Cricket.
Roxanna (1:05:08) Probably so.
Scott Benner (1:05:08) Mhmm. (1:05:09) Mhmm. (1:05:09) Probably so. (1:05:09) They lied
Roxanna (1:05:10) to You're right.
Scott Benner (1:05:11) Wonder what else they lied about. (1:05:12) No. (1:05:12) Just kidding. (1:05:13) I I have nothing against
Roxanna (1:05:14) the this. (1:05:15) Camera. (1:05:16) Took a turn.
Scott Benner (1:05:17) Let's talk about Walt Disney, shall we? (1:05:21) I hear his head is mounted on a coffee can in a freezer somewhere. (1:05:24) Have you ever heard that?
Roxanna (1:05:26) I've heard all sorts of conspiracy theories about poor Disney.
Scott Benner (1:05:32) Poor poor Walt Disney's head and where it might be or where it might not be.
Roxanna (1:05:35) Yeah. (1:05:35) Just just somewhere. (1:05:36) It's probably somewhere in the park.
Scott Benner (1:05:41) That'd be awesome. (1:05:42) Wouldn't it?
Roxanna (1:05:44) I would.
Scott Benner (1:05:45) Under something in a freezer, nobody even remembers it
Roxanna (1:05:48) Where's Waldo?
Scott Benner (1:05:49) That's crazy.
Roxanna (1:05:50) Send people out to go find it.
Scott Benner (1:05:52) Finally, I'd go back to Disney again. (1:05:55) I'd be like, listen. (1:05:56) I'm on the I'm on oh, a head hunt. (1:05:57) I'd be on a head hunt. (1:05:58) Look at that.
Roxanna (1:05:59) Oh, a literal head hunt.
Scott Benner (1:06:00) Yeah. (1:06:00) Exactly. (1:06:02) When you came on, did you have any expectations or has this gone pretty much the way you expected?
Roxanna (1:06:06) No. (1:06:07) I just came on to I don't know. (1:06:09) Just be on it. (1:06:11) Yeah. (1:06:11) And, you know, Kenny kinda put me onto it and just about, I think, education and and screening, those are kind of my big the big things that I that I talk about.
Scott Benner (1:06:24) Yeah. (1:06:24) Trying to push people towards. (1:06:25) Mhmm. (1:06:26) Screening, obviously, is a really big deal right now because and I feel like I can just say this. (1:06:30) It's a big deal right now because my listen.
Scott Benner (1:06:34) This is from my perspective. (1:06:35) Okay. (1:06:36) Sanofi bought TZealed from Provention Bio. (1:06:41) And the only way they can get you to use it if they know you need it, so there's a big push for screening right now. (1:06:47) And I think that has something to do with the $3,000,000,000 they paid for TZeal.
Scott Benner (1:06:50) That's my thought.
Roxanna (1:06:51) Oh, yes. (1:06:52) And there is certainly Santa Fe is a big pusher of screening for that same reason. (1:06:57) But Mhmm. (1:06:58) You know, I see it more as TZILD is just the tip of the iceberg. (1:07:03) Like, we are moving in a direction where, you know, there are gonna be, like, cell therapies and, islet transplants that you have to like, you need to be screened, you know, if you want the benefits of these They of a lot of these therapies.
Scott Benner (1:07:17) Yeah. (1:07:17) They need to identify who you all are right now, right, and figure out better ways to do it, etcetera, and so on.
Roxanna (1:07:23) Right.
Scott Benner (1:07:23) They're the reason that you can't stop seeing Chrissy Teigen on things, in case you're wondering. (1:07:28) Yes. (1:07:28) Yeah.
Roxanna (1:07:29) Yeah. (1:07:29) So That was a huge boost, wasn't it?
Scott Benner (1:07:31) Yeah. (1:07:32) They were like, oh
Roxanna (1:07:33) Chrissy Teigen.
Scott Benner (1:07:33) Whose kid got diabetes? (1:07:35) Someone write her a check and let's get her into People Magazine. (1:07:38) That's pretty much Yeah. (1:07:39) My expectation on what happened there.
Roxanna (1:07:40) Exactly.
Scott Benner (1:07:41) So you'd like to see people get screened?
Roxanna (1:07:44) Yes.
Scott Benner (1:07:44) I mean, isn't that a difficult thing to pull off, like, talking I mean, you couldn't get your like, well, you did. (1:07:49) You got your family members to do it, honestly. (1:07:51) Overall, like, you did a good job. (1:07:52) But, like, for the average person, like, hey, my kid just got diagnosed with type one. (1:07:56) You call your sister and say, think you and your kid should get screened for diabetes.
Scott Benner (1:08:00) I'm thinking it'd just be like, oh my god. (1:08:01) You're such a pain in the ass, then that's the end of it.
Roxanna (1:08:04) Yeah. (1:08:04) I I do think it is hard. (1:08:06) Like, lot of times it is. (1:08:08) There are families that are ready to go and they wanna do it, but there are a lot of families that are hesitant. (1:08:14) And, like, it, you know, it does bring a sense of, like, anxiety.
Roxanna (1:08:18) I think it'd be anxiety provoking too Mhmm. (1:08:20) For a lot of these families. (1:08:22) And I completely understand that it's still like a very much a personal decision whether you wanna get them screened. (1:08:29) And a lot of families think, oh, well, I already have one kid with type one. (1:08:32) I will know.
Roxanna (1:08:33) Most of time, you don't know. (1:08:34) Yeah. (1:08:34) And I will tell that from experience.
Scott Benner (1:08:36) What was what was the gap of time between your brother's kids?
Roxanna (1:08:40) Two years.
Scott Benner (1:08:41) He forgot.
Roxanna (1:08:42) About two years.
Scott Benner (1:08:43) Yeah.
Roxanna (1:08:43) Yeah. (1:08:43) He forgot. (1:08:44) Yeah. (1:08:44) You know, a lot of people think that, oh, well, just the the PCP can do a a finger stick. (1:08:50) A finger stick isn't really the answer.
Roxanna (1:08:51) If they're already 300, you've missed the boat. (1:08:54) Right. (1:08:55) You wanna catch them early. (1:08:56) That's the whole point of early detection. (1:08:58) Right?
Roxanna (1:08:58) Is you prevent DKA. (1:09:00) That's the primary goal of, like, screening is prevention of DKA. (1:09:04) And then comes immunomodulating therapies with the new T cell that was, you know, that was FDA approved now if they qualify for it. (1:09:12) You know, offering them clinical trials is another big deal that we could that we can offer these families if we start screening them. (1:09:19) And I think in the future, it will be general population screening.
Roxanna (1:09:23) This will just be something that when your kid goes in for their well child checkup or for their lead screening or whatever, that they're gonna start checking for these autoantibodies so they can catch them, and prevent DKA. (1:09:35) DKA is a huge problem. (1:09:36) It it's not just like, oh, I had an episode of DKA. (1:09:39) It, you know, has lifelong impacts on a child or on an adult. (1:09:43) Yeah.
Roxanna (1:09:44) And if we can prevent that, let's do it.
Scott Benner (1:09:46) Hear that episode recently, that girl that had the dead skin tissue in her digestive tract from her DKA, that that's a life
Roxanna (1:09:52) that, like, vomited up or
Scott Benner (1:09:54) something like that. (1:09:55) Yes. (1:09:55) Problem now. (1:09:56) But listen. (1:09:57) What I'm gonna tell you is I'll be a little cynical.
Scott Benner (1:09:58) Now there's some money behind it. (1:10:00) Now you're gonna get the testing because DKA has always been a problem, but they haven't moved on it like this. (1:10:06) Like, so No. (1:10:07) Yeah. (1:10:07) So now there's some onus on them to be able to identify these people so they can use these newer drugs, and now you're gonna see yeah.
Scott Benner (1:10:15) Somebody gotta get off their ass now and figure it out.
Roxanna (1:10:17) There's this whole and I can't remember the name of it, but there's, like, a whole, like, I don't know, like, checklist that you have to go through to make something, quote, screenable in, like, The United States. (1:10:28) Right? (1:10:29) Like, there has to be an easy way to identify it is one of the things, and there has to be a treatment for it is one of the things. (1:10:35) And, like, there's, like, this checklist. (1:10:37) And I think all the things that were missing in type one was an actual treatment for it.
Scott Benner (1:10:41) Oh, I see.
Roxanna (1:10:42) So now that there's, like, TZL I think it's called the younger and who I can't remember. (1:10:46) I don't wanna mistake. (1:10:48) But now that they had TZL that's FDA approved, they've kinda hit that last checklist. (1:10:53) Right? (1:10:53) That last check on their list.
Scott Benner (1:10:55) Yeah. (1:10:55) I mean, again, that's now something we can sell because there's a treatment for DKA. (1:10:59) It's called insulin. (1:11:00) So you know?
Roxanna (1:11:01) Yeah. (1:11:02) Yeah. (1:11:02) So what if you prevent DKL to begin with?
Scott Benner (1:11:04) Right. (1:11:04) Right.
Roxanna (1:11:05) Right. (1:11:05) The point. (1:11:05) Yeah. (1:11:06) Like, you don't wanna get to that point. (1:11:07) You wanna introduce insulin initiation before they get to that metabolic, like, you know, emergency that they're they're in because that affects them for the rest of their lives.
Scott Benner (1:11:16) Yeah. (1:11:16) Yeah. (1:11:17) For sure.
Roxanna (1:11:17) So you wanna hit that up before it happens. (1:11:19) And then they don't have to have this traumatic, like, introduction into diabetes with spending two days in the hospital. (1:11:26) You could be life flighted somewhere in ICU. (1:11:28) Like, avoid that. (1:11:30) Like, that doesn't have to happen.
Roxanna (1:11:31) That you have to be screened and then monitored after and have this gradual introduction to education that doesn't hit you like a a baseball bat to the head where you're trying to learn how to keep your kid alive in two days in the hospital. (1:11:45) Yeah. (1:11:45) No. (1:11:45) I I listen It doesn't have to be that way.
Scott Benner (1:11:47) I'm a little cynical about why they're doing it, I'm happy it's being done. (1:11:50) You know? (1:11:51) Yeah. (1:11:51) Yeah. (1:11:51) So
Roxanna (1:11:51) Yeah. (1:11:52) I mean, yeah, I guess I don't really care why it's being done. (1:11:54) I just want it done.
Scott Benner (1:11:55) You just want it done. (1:11:55) Yeah. (1:11:56) And then just the idea of getting out, educating people, and giving them good information so they can hopefully make better decisions for themselves, grow their understanding, and maybe over time get to a point where they can say, this isn't too bad. (1:12:08) I'm doing okay. (1:12:08) Got a good a one c.
Scott Benner (1:12:10) My variability is not bad.
Roxanna (1:12:12) Mhmm.
Scott Benner (1:12:12) Yeah. (1:12:13) That's a it's a great purpose. (1:12:14) Do you think you'll do this for the rest of your career?
Roxanna (1:12:16) I think so. (1:12:17) I mean, picking nursing was not somewhere I was gonna stay forever. (1:12:21) It just wasn't you know, I learned a lot and, you know, I'm glad I did that, but I didn't really have, like, a passion for it. (1:12:29) And I don't until I was diagnosed, I don't think I would have had a passion for this either, honestly. (1:12:35) But this is definitely where I'm supposed to be
Scott Benner (1:12:38) Yeah.
Roxanna (1:12:38) In helping what I well, I hope I'm helping families and these kids. (1:12:44) Just know that this is they can do it. (1:12:47) Like, this is something that is absolutely, like, possible, and their kids can have long, happy, healthy lives. (1:12:53) They just have to figure it out.
Scott Benner (1:12:56) Yeah. (1:12:57) Do you see any need or value in you continuing your education? (1:13:05) Is there anywhere that you see yourself going from here? (1:13:07) Do you like the level you're at? (1:13:09) Do you think it it suits your your goals well?
Roxanna (1:13:12) I think I'm happy where I am. (1:13:14) I don't you know, I've I know I could always go on, you know, get, you know, my master's and maybe do nurse practitioner, but I sometimes think it's it's more stress. (1:13:26) And I get to spend more time with these families in the position I am. (1:13:31) Our providers don't get to spend time like I do
Scott Benner (1:13:33) Yeah.
Roxanna (1:13:34) With these families. (1:13:35) So I think for what I wanna do and what I like to do and where I think I'm most helpful is having that flexibility to actually spend time with families.
Scott Benner (1:13:45) Okay.
Roxanna (1:13:46) Our providers don't do, you know, three hour classes or have the availability to sit down with the family when they just don't understand how to bolus for a meal or to sit down and look at their DexCom graph and say, okay. (1:13:59) What is happening here? (1:14:00) Like, what does this mean? (1:14:02) You know, how to make adjustments on your own. (1:14:04) Our providers don't have that kind of time to do that.
Scott Benner (1:14:07) Have you tried to and this isn't me saying to try to do this. (1:14:11) I've seen people do it. (1:14:13) Have you tried to put graphs into AI, ChatGPT, the Google one, like, or whatever, and say, hey. (1:14:21) What do you think? (1:14:22) This is a person using type one diabetes.
Scott Benner (1:14:24) What do you think they need to do? (1:14:25) Have you tried doing that yet?
Roxanna (1:14:27) I have not personally, but families have because they'll send the messages saying, hey. (1:14:33) This is what ChatGPT thinks I should do.
Scott Benner (1:14:36) Right. (1:14:36) And I think it can be
Roxanna (1:14:38) I mean, I am I am pro AI. (1:14:41) Like, I can't wait till we can unleash DexCom graphs on AI for actual knowledge on progression of, like, early type one. (1:14:50) I think that's where I would really like to see it go. (1:14:53) Yeah. (1:14:54) I think it can be actually pretty helpful and insightful.
Roxanna (1:14:57) I mean, not perfect, but I think it can give some pretty good insights assuming you let it know all the variables that are going on.
Scott Benner (1:15:05) Mhmm.
Roxanna (1:15:05) I think that's the key. (1:15:06) Because even when I blindly look at a Dexcom graph, I don't know. (1:15:10) I see a flat line overnight. (1:15:11) I don't know that they're up feeding their kid Smarties every, you know, forty five minutes just to keep their blood sugar at 80. (1:15:18) I just see, wow.
Roxanna (1:15:20) They're doing great. (1:15:21) And so I messaged back, I'm like, you guys are doing great. (1:15:23) No changes.
Scott Benner (1:15:24) And They're like, are you sure? (1:15:26) Because we don't sleep anymore. (1:15:27) Well, then they yeah. (1:15:28) They gotta give you the rest of the information. (1:15:29) I just I saw a a lady kinda shared her entire chat, and she's basically sat down and had, like, a conversation with it.
Scott Benner (1:15:38) And it it gave her a lot of valuable insights. (1:15:41) So Yeah. (1:15:42) That, you know, I was like, I wonder wonder how much longer it's gonna be before if that's not a thing you start talking to people about, like, start conversating with the answer machine and see what it says. (1:15:53) You you know? (1:15:54) Like, I don't know.
Scott Benner (1:15:55) Like, I have no idea. (1:15:56) I'm just I'm wondering when you're gonna see that happen or not happen or if it will or won't.
Roxanna (1:15:59) No. (1:16:00) I think AI is gonna play a large role in in helping people manage their diabetes. (1:16:06) I mean, even with, like, like, Guru where you can take a picture of your food and it kinda estimates the carb, we use that one a lot as a a good recommendation for our families because carb counting is hard. (1:16:19) It is an art and not a science, and, you know, no one really does it well. (1:16:23) It all becomes about estimation for the most part and more about, like, the meal composition.
Roxanna (1:16:29) And I think that is, you know, that is definitely AI at it at it at its best, helping families learn. (1:16:36) And so I think with Dexcom graphs and even, like, research stuff, like, you know, them putting, you know, these, like, digital twins in there and being able to get answers much quickly than they would in an actual research study because they have that ability to kind of simulate things, right, on a actual and versus, like, doing a clinical study that takes twenty years to complete. (1:17:01) So I think AI is important, and I think it will it's gonna tell us a lot about diabetes management and help a lot of people much better than endocrinologists can, honestly.
Scott Benner (1:17:10) I mean, I think that's maybe my bigger point. (1:17:13) It's not it's not like some people are I mean, oh, I guess, you know, some people have access to really great care, but even that really great care is limited to a certain number of times a year, limited ability for them to understand what's actually happening. (1:17:27) Like, you know what I mean? (1:17:28) Like, it's still it's still falls on the user. (1:17:31) And the and the people who don't have that great care or the understanding or a number of the things that we've talked about here today, they're just left to languish in, you know, basically in failure and, you know Yeah.
Scott Benner (1:17:42) And health health concerns that keep mounting. (1:17:45) I mean, I think you'd be better off sending the door prompt and saying, ask your questions here. (1:17:50) See if it makes sense. (1:17:51) Or maybe it'll even help you come back with ways to talk to me about what's happening or what whatever. (1:17:55) Like, I think it's gotta be worth trying, honestly.
Roxanna (1:17:59) Yeah. (1:17:59) I don't I don't disagree. (1:18:01) I think AI definitely plays a role in a helpful one for the most part.
Scott Benner (1:18:07) Yeah. (1:18:07) We'll see where it all goes. (1:18:08) Okay. (1:18:09) I really appreciate you doing this. (1:18:10) It was lovely speaking with you, especially on a Friday afternoon.
Scott Benner (1:18:12) Felt relaxed.
Roxanna (1:18:13) Yeah. (1:18:14) Yeah. (1:18:14) Same.
Scott Benner (1:18:15) You know, it isn't fair to say here you're a professional person, but I know who you are. (1:18:19) I know what you look like. (1:18:20) You're adorable. (1:18:21) Do we need should I do want me to send the boys over, or is that not what you're looking for? (1:18:25) Or, like, you
Roxanna (1:18:25) know No. (1:18:26) I don't know. (1:18:27) Maybe. (1:18:27) I don't know. (1:18:28) Maybe one day I'll be ready.
Roxanna (1:18:30) It's gonna have to be it's gonna have to be someone very nice though and who just does, I guess, whatever I want.
Scott Benner (1:18:38) Okay. (1:18:39) Well, if you're very nice and obedient and you're
Roxanna (1:18:43) you're looking sounds terrible.
Scott Benner (1:18:45) You're looking for a lady in her forties who's not up for bull maybe, go find Roxanna. (1:18:52) Yeah. (1:18:53) I'll be here. (1:18:55) That's awesome. (1:18:56) Well, I appreciate all the good work you do and that you took time coming on here to do this.
Scott Benner (1:19:00) I really do I do thank you a ton for adding your your voice to the podcast. (1:19:04) And I and I'm thrilled generally speaking that the podcast was valuable for you and that even if it's just your vibe that's made it into your practice, and your professional life, it means a lot to me that that happened. (1:19:16) So, thank you for telling me about that.
Roxanna (1:19:18) Yeah. (1:19:18) Of course. (1:19:19) Thank you for all you do.
Scott Benner (1:19:20) It's a pleasure. (1:19:21) Hold on one second. (1:19:22) Okay?
Roxanna (1:19:22) Okay.
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Scott Benner (1:20:33) I'm dropping in to tell you about a small change being made to the Juice Cruise 2026 schedule. (1:20:38) This adjustment was made by Celebrity Cruise Lines, not by me. (1:20:41) Anyway, we're still going out on the Celebrity Beyond cruise ship, which is awesome. (1:20:45) Check out the walkthrough video at juiceboxpodcast.com/juicecruise. (1:20:50) The ship is awesome.
Scott Benner (1:20:52) Still a seven night cruise. (1:20:54) It still leaves out of Miami on June 21. (1:20:57) Actually, most of this is the same. (1:20:58) We leave Miami June 21, head to CocoCay in The Bahamas, but then we're going to San Juan, Puerto Rico instead of Saint Thomas. (1:21:06) After that, Bastille, I think I'm saying that wrong, Saint Kitts And Nevis.
Scott Benner (1:21:10) This place is gorgeous. (1:21:12) Google it. (1:21:13) I mean, you're probably gonna have to go to my link to get the correct spelling because my pronunciation is so bad. (1:21:16) But once you get the Saint Kitts and you Google it, you're gonna look and see a photo that says to you, oh, I wanna go there. (1:21:23) Come meet other people living with type one diabetes from caregivers to children to adults.
Scott Benner (1:21:30) Last year, we had a 100 people on our cruise, and it was fabulous. (1:21:35) You can see pictures to get at my link, juiceboxpodcast.com/juicecruise. (1:21:40) You can see those pictures from last year there. (1:21:42) The link also gives you an opportunity to register for the cruise or to contact Suzanne from Cruise Planners. (1:21:48) She takes care of all the logistics.
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#1721 Runny Eggs
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A funny, honest conversation with 13-year-old Trey and his mom Stephanie about type 1 diabetes, sports, growing up, parenting, pre-bolusing, and why runny eggs somehow matter.
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Scott Benner (0:00) Hello, friends. (0:01) Welcome to the Juice Box podcast. (0:03) Happy holidays to everyone juggling carbs, cookies, and the chaos of this season.
Stephanie (0:18) Hi. (0:18) My name's Trey. (0:20) Or let me do that again.
Scott Benner (0:21) No. (0:22) No. (0:22) No. (0:22) That's all oh, that's all staying in. (0:25) Rob, this is the beginning of the episode right here.
Scott Benner (0:27) Don't let it out.
Stephanie (0:28) That's amazing. (0:28) My name is Stephanie. (0:29) I am the mom of, three kids.
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Scott Benner (2:04) Today's episode is also sponsored by the Dexcom g seven, the same CGM that my daughter wears. (2:10) Check it out now at dexcom.com/juicebox. (2:15) Just so I can test the audio being recorded, I've already checked my voice and it's there. (2:20) Can one of you say test?
Trey (2:22) Test. (2:22) Test.
Scott Benner (2:23) Awesome. (2:24) So when you're ready, Stephanie, go ahead and introduce yourself any way you want to be known. (2:32) Last name's not important as far as I'm concerned, but I don't care if you use yours. (2:36) And then, Trey, when your mom's done, you jump in and introduce yourself. (2:40) Okay?
Trey (2:41) Okay.
Scott Benner (2:42) Alright. (2:42) Go ahead, Stephanie.
Stephanie (2:44) Hi. (2:44) My name's Trey. (2:46) Or let me do that again.
Scott Benner (2:47) No. (2:48) No. (2:48) No. (2:48) That's all no. (2:49) That's all staying in.
Scott Benner (2:51) Rob, this is the beginning of the episode right here. (2:53) Don't add it up.
Stephanie (2:54) That's amazing. (2:54) My name is Stephanie. (2:56) I am the mom of, three kids, Ellie, Trey, and Sullivan. (3:03) Trey is my middle one. (3:04) He's 13, and he's my one with type one.
Trey (3:07) Hello. (3:08) I'm Trey. (3:10) Yeah. (3:10) I'm the I'm the middle child. (3:12) It's fun.
Trey (3:13) I'm 13. (3:14) I've been I was diagnosed in, like, 2023, I think. (3:19) Right? (3:19) Yep.
Scott Benner (3:19) Okay.
Stephanie (3:20) You're correct.
Scott Benner (3:20) So a little over two years?
Trey (3:22) Yeah. (3:23) A little over two years.
Scott Benner (3:24) And is your one of your siblings named after the Monsters Incorporated character or no?
Trey (3:29) No. (3:29) Sadly. (3:30) My dad wanted to name her after Sully Urna.
Scott Benner (3:32) I don't know who that is.
Stephanie (3:34) The lead singer of Godsmack.
Scott Benner (3:36) Of Godsmack?
Trey (3:38) Yes. (3:38) It's a band.
Scott Benner (3:39) I know it's a band, Troy. (3:40) I just that just surprised me. (3:42) How old are your parents, Troy?
Trey (3:43) My dad is almost 50. (3:44) He's 49.
Scott Benner (3:47) It's crazy.
Trey (3:48) He's old.
Stephanie (3:49) It's his favorite band, and he said, I wanna name him Sully. (3:53) And I said, that's great, honey, but we need something for the boardroom. (3:56) And so I settled on Sullivan, and he said, but Sully works for Sully Urna. (4:01) I said, is quite literally a rock star.
Scott Benner (4:04) Do you call him Sully
Stephanie (4:06) in the house? (4:06) Him Sully most of the time.
Scott Benner (4:08) Alright. (4:08) I don't know a lot of godsmack. (4:10) I gotta be honest with you. (4:12) But he does.
Stephanie (4:14) He he does. (4:15) I mean, it works for him.
Scott Benner (4:16) Did you know? (4:17) Were you just like I mean, I know you know he likes the band, but when he said that, were you like, really? (4:22) Or did that make sense to you?
Stephanie (4:25) Oh, no. (4:25) We had he had talked about it many times, and I never really thought that he was serious. (4:29) And the first two kids got family names, so the third one was a little up in the air. (4:35) And he got his choice, and I toned it a little bit.
Scott Benner (4:40) He got his choice. (4:42) I bet you he paid for that in a number of ways. (4:44) Okay.
Stephanie (4:45) Oh, no. (4:45) No. (4:46) I the name is perfect for him. (4:47) Sullivan is, like, the perfect name for him.
Scott Benner (4:50) Very nice. (4:50) Alright. (4:51) Well, Trey, what do you remember about being diagnosed with diabetes?
Trey (4:55) I remember that when I was diagnosed, my blood sugar was, like, 640.
Scott Benner (5:00) Do you remember how that made you feel?
Trey (5:02) Not good. (5:03) I I was in the middle of a lacrosse tournament, and I kinda threw up, like, twice during it. (5:09) And and then I went to the hospital, and we got home, and that's how I got diagnosed. (5:14) Oh. (5:15) I got
Scott Benner (5:16) Trey, I'm sorry. (5:17) I didn't laugh that you vomited. (5:18) I laughed because I heard earlier that your sister plays lacrosse. (5:22) You play lacrosse, then I realized you guys are in Florida, lacrosse is huge in Florida, isn't it?
Stephanie (5:26) Sorry. (5:27) We actually live in Chicagoland.
Scott Benner (5:28) Oh. (5:30) Oh. (5:30) That's a
Stephanie (5:31) state. (5:31) In Florida for a For lacrosse tournament.
Scott Benner (5:34) You traveled from Chicago to Florida for a lacrosse tournament?
Stephanie (5:39) Yes.
Scott Benner (5:40) Wow.
Trey (5:40) Sully went to California all they're in January for, team Illinois lacrosse. (5:47) He also went to Maryland in Rhode Island.
Scott Benner (5:49) Are you guys all good at this, Trey? (5:51) Like, how good are they?
Trey (5:52) You know, I'm a I'm a good goalie.
Scott Benner (5:54) Nice. (5:55) And and people throw that ball at you really hard. (5:57) Right?
Trey (5:57) Yeah.
Scott Benner (5:58) Yeah. (5:58) Does it hurt?
Trey (5:59) My legs always hurt.
Scott Benner (6:00) Yeah. (6:00) It where does it hurt the most to get hit with a ball?
Trey (6:03) The inner thigh and, like, right on the in like, on the I inside of your elbow.
Scott Benner (6:09) Oh, okay. (6:10) And are those places not shielded, does just the ball just find you sometimes?
Trey (6:14) They're not shielded. (6:15) Oh. (6:16) Bullies don't wear elbow pads. (6:17) Their arms are free.
Scott Benner (6:19) Oh, fun. (6:20) So sometimes do you find yourself going, oh, I know I'm moving my arm in front of this ball and it's really gonna hurt? (6:27) Probably. (6:28) Yeah. (6:28) Yeah.
Scott Benner (6:28) Oh, that's interesting.
Trey (6:29) I like to get hit.
Scott Benner (6:30) Okay. (6:31) You like it when balls hit you in the head?
Trey (6:33) Yes. (6:34) My brain Well, they
Stephanie (6:35) have a helmet on for that.
Scott Benner (6:36) Stephanie, I was testing the boys' sarcasm there, and you you jumped all over it. (6:40) So now I don't know why. (6:41) I I don't know where he's at. (6:43) Let me try again.
Stephanie (6:43) My brain doesn't feel it anymore. (6:45) Good
Scott Benner (6:48) job, Troy.
Trey (6:48) My teammates keep sniping me in the face.
Scott Benner (6:52) Alright. (6:52) So care. (6:53) So being diagnosed not fun, didn't feel well. (6:56) Do you remember the lead up to it, Trey? (6:59) Like, how you felt before you guys went to the hospital, and do you remember anything about how your parents handled it?
Trey (7:05) I was really dizzy and lightheaded because I was, like, really high. (7:10) Mhmm. (7:10) And also, I lost a lot I lost, like, 20 or 30 pounds.
Scott Benner (7:15) In how long? (7:16) What was the time frame, Stephanie, he lost that?
Trey (7:18) In, a four month period?
Stephanie (7:19) No. (7:20) It was about a week.
Scott Benner (7:22) Wait. (7:22) He lost 20 pounds in a week?
Stephanie (7:25) Yeah. (7:25) Like, a week or two. (7:27) That was really what finally caught my attention. (7:31) We think, in retrospect, he had been fighting for several months, but the activity from daily practices and working out and just summer activities kept his blood sugar stable enough
Scott Benner (7:48) Okay.
Stephanie (7:48) That
Scott Benner (7:49) Maybe it slowed it slowed the process down of you figuring it out.
Stephanie (7:52) Yes.
Scott Benner (7:53) Okay.
Stephanie (7:53) Because there was so many things leading into it. (7:56) You know, his he was peeing more and drinking more, but his coaches told him to stay hydrated.
Scott Benner (8:02) Yeah.
Stephanie (8:02) So I was able to write that off. (8:05) Mhmm. (8:05) He was sleepy, but he was playing video games until late at night, and he had multiple practices. (8:13) So, again, able to play that off.
Scott Benner (8:16) Yeah. (8:16) A lot of stuff masks everything else. (8:18) It's pretty cool.
Stephanie (8:19) I mean, it's all, like, the the common things. (8:24) It the final straw was that last week. (8:26) His tournament his last tournament was the Sunday before he was diagnosed. (8:32) And that week, I looked at him, and I'm like, gosh. (8:38) He looks thinner.
Stephanie (8:39) He looks maybe he's taller. (8:41) Maybe he's growing.
Scott Benner (8:43) And
Stephanie (8:44) then he had multiple overnight accidents the weekend that he was diagnosed, and I knew something wasn't right.
Scott Benner (8:53) Let me ask Trey a question here. (8:55) So because you're old enough to really ask this question. (8:57) At 11 years old, you don't pee in your bed. (9:01) So when that starts happening, do you remember, like, what did you think was going on, or what were you concerned about when that was happening?
Trey (9:07) I don't know.
Scott Benner (9:08) You don't remember?
Trey (9:09) No. (9:10) No?
Stephanie (9:11) He hid the first couple from us.
Scott Benner (9:13) Yeah. (9:13) I would have too, Trey. (9:14) Well done. (9:15) You know what I mean? (9:16) Would you, like, put it in the laundry on your own or something like that?
Trey (9:19) No. (9:20) He just moved from the basement on the mattress. (9:23) That
Scott Benner (9:24) mattress has been thrown away?
Stephanie (9:26) The mattress has been thrown away. (9:27) So has the one on his bed. (9:29) We replaced both of those that next week.
Scott Benner (9:32) Hey. (9:32) No one ever talks about the high side of being diagnosed with type one diabetes is that you get a new mattress.
Stephanie (9:37) Right?
Scott Benner (9:38) Pretty great. (9:38) Right? (9:39) Is there anybody else in the family who has diabetes? (9:41) Is there any reason for you to think about this?
Trey (9:43) There's, like, a there's, like, a a cousin on my mom's or something.
Stephanie (9:47) One of my first cousins has diabetes. (9:51) She was diagnosed as an adult.
Scott Benner (9:53) She has type one?
Stephanie (9:55) She is type one.
Scott Benner (9:56) Okay.
Stephanie (9:57) And I have an uncle by marriage, but no relation.
Scott Benner (10:01) How about other autoimmune stuff down that side of the family?
Stephanie (10:05) My grandmother was rheumatoid arthritis. (10:09) I have what I think are, but never diagnosed. (10:12) Like, I think they're thyroid stuff, but the numbers are always normal, so they say I'm fine. (10:17) You know?
Scott Benner (10:18) Yeah. (10:19) What what are the numbers? (10:20) Do you remember?
Stephanie (10:20) Not off the top of my head. (10:22) Yeah. (10:24) Yeah. (10:24) They're borderline, but still within the normal range.
Scott Benner (10:27) But you have symptoms?
Stephanie (10:29) I've got the exhaustion. (10:31) I've got I've got food intolerances.
Scott Benner (10:35) Why don't you tell them that you would prefer if your symptoms were managed and not your numbers?
Stephanie (10:40) I'm working on that.
Scott Benner (10:41) Good.
Stephanie (10:42) I've changed providers a couple of times. (10:44) I was actually finishing nursing school when Trey was diagnosed.
Scott Benner (10:49) Oh.
Trey (10:50) So
Scott Benner (10:50) What kind of nurse are you?
Stephanie (10:52) I'm an emergency room nurse.
Scott Benner (10:54) Oh, awesome. (10:56) I just interviewed doctor Beach Jim. (10:59) Do you know who that is? (11:00) Are you on the line?
Stephanie (11:02) I am online, but I don't know who that is. (11:06) I
Scott Benner (11:06) She does, like, a lot of TikTok and Instagram stuff.
Stephanie (11:09) Oh, do you know what? (11:10) I think I just started seeing her come across my stuff.
Scott Benner (11:14) Okay. (11:15) Yeah. (11:15) She's very, very popular, and I just interviewed her the other day. (11:17) She's gonna be on the podcast next week. (11:19) I'll tell you something that no one else will know.
Scott Benner (11:21) But if I hear it in public, I'll know it was you that gave me up, Stephanie, because I don't think Trey's gonna remember. (11:25) I'm gonna put together, like, a five or six episode series with her about going into the ER with type one.
Stephanie (11:32) That would be awesome. (11:33) Yes. (11:33) And I do know who she is.
Scott Benner (11:35) She
Stephanie (11:35) just hopped across my Facebook feed in the last three or four week.
Scott Benner (11:41) Okay. (11:41) She got
Stephanie (11:42) And I started following her.
Scott Benner (11:43) Millions of followers, really something.
Stephanie (11:46) Yeah.
Scott Benner (11:46) My wife's been telling me about her for, like, years. (11:50) And then I think I don't know. (11:53) Like, a week or two. (11:54) It was probably two weeks ago now. (11:56) My wife brings her up again.
Scott Benner (11:57) She goes, you really should try to get her on the podcast. (12:00) I was like, why would she come on my podcast? (12:02) And then she put up a post about diabetes awareness, and then I basically, like, wrote a post and I was like, hey, everybody. (12:10) What if we all ask doctor Beach Jam if, you know, she wanted to come on the podcast? (12:15) And then she got inundated by people who listen to the podcast, which I appreciate.
Scott Benner (12:18) Thank you, everybody. (12:19) And then that got her on. (12:21) So, and she was lovely, like, really awesome. (12:24) So I'm excited about it. (12:25) Anyway Okay.
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Stephanie (14:44) Not that we know of other than Trey with his diabetes. (14:50) My daughter I'm I'm actually in the process of having my daughter's thyroid tested as we speak. (14:56) We were at the provider a couple weeks ago, and I have to catch up with them because we had a couple of weeks of tournaments.
Scott Benner (15:03) What's her symptoms?
Stephanie (15:05) Similar to mine. (15:06) She's got exhaustion. (15:07) She's got some stomach issues. (15:08) I was listening to one of the old episodes where you were talking about Arden and the stomach issues. (15:15) And that kind of triggered me to go, I think I need to have it all checked out.
Scott Benner (15:22) Yeah.
Stephanie (15:22) So we're in the middle of that right now.
Scott Benner (15:24) Okay. (15:25) Well, good luck. (15:25) I hope you get good news.
Stephanie (15:27) I just want answers.
Scott Benner (15:28) Yeah. (15:28) Or an answer. (15:29) One or the other. (15:30) Okay. (15:31) Cool.
Scott Benner (15:31) So, Trey, what's it like having diabetes for the last two years? (15:34) Your friend's cool with it? (15:36) Is it getting in the way of you playing?
Trey (15:38) Yeah. (15:38) My friends are cool with it. (15:41) Sometimes my alarm goes off during school and, like, during reading times when it's really quiet and they're allowed. (15:48) Mhmm. (15:49) So it's kind of embarrassing sometimes.
Scott Benner (15:51) You're embarrassed by it?
Trey (15:53) No. (15:54) By the alarm because it it it's like a screaming.
Scott Benner (15:57) Yeah. (15:57) Yeah. (15:57) I'm saying when that alarm goes off, you feel embarrassed?
Trey (16:00) Sometimes.
Scott Benner (16:01) Sometimes. (16:02) Oh, I'm sorry about that. (16:03) Do you usually mute them?
Trey (16:06) Yeah. (16:06) I watch it still though.
Scott Benner (16:08) You watch it. (16:09) You don't ignore it?
Trey (16:10) I don't ignore it. (16:11) I just mute I just mute it for the time being.
Scott Benner (16:13) Are you making most of your decisions or are you and your mom or dad doing it through text messages? (16:18) How do you handle school time?
Trey (16:19) Sometimes text messages. (16:21) Sometimes I handle it on my own with the school nurse.
Scott Benner (16:23) Okay. (16:24) You still go to the nurse?
Trey (16:25) Yeah.
Scott Benner (16:27) For everything or just some things?
Trey (16:29) For the lunch carbs because I get school lunch, and they have, like, the menu in there with all the carbs on it.
Scott Benner (16:34) Okay. (16:36) Okay. (16:37) Does that usually go well?
Trey (16:39) Yeah.
Scott Benner (16:40) You're pretty good with, like, how the boluses end up and everything?
Trey (16:44) Mhmm.
Scott Benner (16:45) Stephanie, are you good with how they end up?
Stephanie (16:47) He's doing really good. (16:49) Only thing that he could really work on is a little bit better pre bolus sometimes. (16:55) But
Scott Benner (16:56) Get in line, Trey.
Stephanie (16:59) In general, I'm I'm really proud of how he manages while he's at school because he is fairly independent. (17:08) The nurse follows him, but really more just to take care of the lows Mhmm. (17:16) Because he doesn't always catch them when he's in PE. (17:20) So she'll have to do that. (17:25) But most of the time.
Scott Benner (17:27) Most of the time, it goes well. (17:29) Trey, how does it feel to hear your mom say she's proud of you and she thinks you're doing a good job?
Trey (17:33) Yay.
Scott Benner (17:35) Is that is that the full contextualization of of how you feel? (17:39) Yay. (17:40) Oh, seriously though, like, it what what's that response like? (17:43) Does it is it embarrassing? (17:45) Or
Trey (17:45) It feels good.
Scott Benner (17:46) It feels good? (17:47) Okay. (17:48) Do you work hard at it?
Trey (17:51) Yeah.
Scott Benner (17:51) Nice to hear somebody say something that recognizes what you're doing? (17:56) Yeah. (17:56) Yeah. (17:57) Just hard to tell something nice to your mom. (17:59) Right?
Trey (17:59) Kind of.
Scott Benner (18:02) We don't want her to think she's doing too good of a job. (18:04) She might get a big hit. (18:05) You know what I mean?
Trey (18:06) Kind of.
Scott Benner (18:06) Let's say some bad stuff about her. (18:08) What does she suck at? (18:09) One thing she's not great at. (18:10) Tell me now.
Stephanie (18:11) Cooking eggs. (18:13) Cooking eggs.
Scott Benner (18:14) What does she make your
Trey (18:17) burns them every single time.
Scott Benner (18:19) Oh, Stephanie, why don't you know how to make eggs?
Stephanie (18:22) I do what every single time?
Scott Benner (18:23) You burn his eggs constantly.
Stephanie (18:25) Them. (18:25) There's no moisture left. (18:27) That's because he likes them runny. (18:30) He likes his scrambled eggs runny.
Scott Benner (18:32) Why are you fighting with him about that? (18:33) Let him have his eggs the way he wants them.
Stephanie (18:35) So he can make them the way he wants them.
Scott Benner (18:37) Oh, but you won't be making them the way he wants them.
Stephanie (18:39) Because I don't like them that way, and I don't make them that way.
Scott Benner (18:42) Oh, Trace, she's not willing to learn your style, my friend. (18:46) There's only so far no. (18:47) No. (18:47) No. (18:47) Stephanie, there's only so far your love will go, I see.
Scott Benner (18:50) That's fine.
Stephanie (18:51) That That's yeah. (18:51) Totally it. (18:52) I've tried. (18:53) It just doesn't happen.
Scott Benner (18:54) Can I tell you something? (18:55) I can I make eggs the way I make them, and my family complains about them? (19:00) And then they stood me in front of the stove and gave me a tutorial about how to make the eggs the way they want them. (19:09) I thought I was so embarrassed. (19:10) I was like, wait.
Scott Benner (19:11) Are you really all they all stood around me. (19:14) They're like, yeah. (19:14) Now flip it, turn the heat down, do this. (19:16) This is about see, right my Arden goes right here. (19:19) Here's where the cheese goes on.
Scott Benner (19:20) I was like, uh-oh, okay.
Stephanie (19:21) Oh, that's amazing. (19:22) Yeah.
Scott Benner (19:23) Yeah. (19:23) Well, so so you take it, Stephanie. (19:25) Just let him show you how to make the eggs and just do it. (19:27) I'll get this fixed for you, Trey. (19:28) Don't worry.
Scott Benner (19:29) Okay?
Stephanie (19:29) He has shown me. (19:31) I I I try.
Scott Benner (19:32) Is she trying, Trey, or is she resisting?
Trey (19:34) Nope. (19:35) Nope. (19:35) Nope. (19:36) She is
Stephanie (19:36) I don't take him out of the pan in time.
Scott Benner (19:38) Is this passive aggressive, Stephanie?
Trey (19:40) No.
Scott Benner (19:41) Are you sure?
Trey (19:43) Positive. (19:44) Forgets because she goes on Facebook during the cooking.
Scott Benner (19:46) Stephanie, that hurt must have hurt to hear him say that out loud.
Stephanie (19:50) My opinion of Dunneggs and his opinion of Dunneggs are two different opinions.
Scott Benner (19:55) How does it hurt when he points out that you're on social media while you're supposed to be cooking for him?
Stephanie (19:59) No.
Scott Benner (20:00) That you're okay with?
Stephanie (20:02) That that's fine.
Scott Benner (20:03) Sometimes we look over at Kelly and
Trey (20:04) I we're can't be complaining. (20:06) I watch YouTube and TikTok while I cook my egg, but I actually watch the eggs while I do it.
Scott Benner (20:11) Look at you. (20:12) You can multitask. (20:13) Does your mom have ADHD, do you think? (20:14) Maybe she can't focus.
Trey (20:16) I can't focus.
Scott Benner (20:17) Oh, you can't?
Trey (20:20) My brain won't let me.
Scott Benner (20:21) Stephanie, does he have a problem or no?
Stephanie (20:24) He might.
Scott Benner (20:25) Yeah. (20:25) Is it in the family?
Stephanie (20:27) My oldest. (20:28) Yeah.
Scott Benner (20:28) Okay. (20:29) My
Trey (20:30) Probably has ADHD.
Scott Benner (20:32) Trey, did you say my
Trey (20:33) drive now.
Scott Benner (20:33) Trey, did you say my brain won't focus?
Trey (20:36) Yeah. (20:36) My brain He said oh, I I thought
Stephanie (20:38) he said Ellie had ADHD.
Scott Benner (20:40) No. (20:40) He did, but he said my brain won't focus. (20:42) I think I heard it in between something there.
Trey (20:44) It won't let me focus.
Scott Benner (20:46) It won't let you. (20:46) Yeah. (20:47) It's it's
Trey (20:47) If I don't like the thing, can't focus on it.
Scott Benner (20:49) Your mom your mom won't let you eat eggs the way you want either. (20:55) How runny do you like them, Trey?
Trey (20:58) I don't like them too runny. (20:59) I like them semi runny where they actually still have moisture left.
Scott Benner (21:02) Can I make a suggestion for you, Trey? (21:04) It's gonna sound like an old man talking and you're not gonna make sense of it. (21:07) Yes. (21:08) A poached egg, you might love it.
Trey (21:11) I've tried poached eggs before. (21:12) They're they're pretty good.
Scott Benner (21:13) Yeah. (21:13) I love a poached egg. (21:14) As we were talking about it, I might eat it for lunch now that I'm saying it out loud.
Stephanie (21:18) He actually went on YouTube and watched a video to teach himself how to poach an egg.
Trey (21:25) I poached one egg one time
Scott Benner (21:27) Yeah.
Trey (21:27) And it turned out horribly because it exploded as soon as it hit the water, and then I I got mad.
Scott Benner (21:32) Okay. (21:32) So the water needs to be very low, not very hot, and you need to put, like, a tablespoon of white vinegar in the water. (21:39) And that helps the egg stay together in a nice form. (21:43) And then that that's the whole thing. (21:44) Right?
Scott Benner (21:45) And it's for all of you. (21:46) A little bit of white vinegar, low not a rolling boil or anything like that. (21:50) Like, low heat, put them in, then you can bring the heat up a little bit, and then you can kinda control it before you take it out. (21:58) Then I like taking it out with a, like, one of the like, a serrated spoon kind of a situation. (22:03) Yeah.
Scott Benner (22:04) Yeah. (22:04) And then I like to let the water come off it a little bit before I put it over my toast. (22:08) That's just me.
Stephanie (22:10) I put it in with a ladle.
Scott Benner (22:12) Look at you. (22:13) Gentle. (22:13) I don't do that. (22:14) I throw them in. (22:15) Boom.
Scott Benner (22:16) Like that. (22:17) Like, it's nothing. (22:18) Trey, do you know my son taught himself to parallel park with the YouTube video? (22:23) You guys, you're a different group. (22:25) Like, your your generation Amazing.
Scott Benner (22:27) Yeah. (22:27) Yeah. (22:27) We were we were I've probably told this before, so I'll go real quickly. (22:30) But we were, like, doing, like, a last minute practice before he was gonna go take his test. (22:35) And I just it hit me out of nowhere.
Scott Benner (22:37) He had never parallel parked the car, and I completely forgot that was part of the test. (22:41) And I said to him the day before, I was like, oh my god, Cole. (22:45) Like, we never taught you how to parallel park. (22:47) That's part of the test. (22:48) And he just stopped.
Scott Benner (22:50) Like, I tried to teach him, and he was like, he pulled out his phone, watched one video, and was like, alright. (22:56) Then he put the car in drive, drove around the parking lot, and parallel parked the car. (23:01) I was like, Okay. (23:04) I was like, guys are you guys are living in a different world. (23:06) The one your mom how how old's your mom again?
Scott Benner (23:08) You said she was old. (23:09) Right?
Trey (23:09) I think she's, like, 47 or 48.
Scott Benner (23:12) Oh, jeez. (23:13) Does she make noise when she stands up?
Stephanie (23:16) Sometimes.
Scott Benner (23:20) She stand up, she go, when she walks so after you guys are sitting on the sofa for an hour and she walks away, is she a little bent forward, or is she able to stand straight up and walk away, Trey?
Trey (23:30) She's able to stand straight up.
Scott Benner (23:32) Wow. (23:33) Look for that other thing to come.
Trey (23:34) Walking and running all over the hospital all the time.
Scott Benner (23:37) Oh, yeah. (23:38) Right? (23:39) That's your what was your job before this?
Stephanie (23:42) So I've had a couple of jobs. (23:43) Before the kids were born, I, taught middle school math and high school social studies. (23:49) And after that, I was home for several years, and I went back to manage a swim school after my youngest was about two. (24:01) And I did that for, like, five years.
Scott Benner (24:03) What made you go to nursing?
Stephanie (24:05) After my kids were born, I wanted to do childbirth, and I wanted to do midwifery. (24:11) I wanted to catch the babies.
Scott Benner (24:13) Yeah.
Stephanie (24:14) The easiest path in Illinois is as a nurse midwife, which recall would require me to have a nursing degree. (24:22) So that was my original path. (24:25) And then while in nursing school, Trey was diagnosed, and it kinda changed my whole trajectory. (24:31) My last semester, I was exposed to so many different things in nursing. (24:36) I was like, I don't wanna just do one thing.
Stephanie (24:38) I wanna do many things.
Scott Benner (24:40) Yeah. (24:41) Mid the midwife thing is, it's pretty crazy. (24:44) A midwife and a doula, those are two different things. (24:46) Right?
Stephanie (24:47) And I've done both. (24:48) Well, I haven't done midwife, but I was a doula, after my young my oldest was born.
Scott Benner (24:53) How many births have you been involved in?
Stephanie (24:55) About 15. (24:57) I only did it for about a year and a half before Ellie and I moved from Saint Louis to San Antonio where my husband was working for a year and a half. (25:10) And then I had another child, and it kind of became difficult to schedule.
Scott Benner (25:16) You're the middle child trend. (25:17) That's how that's how we got you.
Trey (25:19) Yeah. (25:19) I was born in San Antonio.
Scott Benner (25:21) Oh, yeah. (25:21) Tex. (25:21) You're a
Trey (25:22) Texan, technically. (25:23) Biggest city in the biggest state.
Scott Benner (25:24) Are you technically a Texan?
Stephanie (25:26) He is.
Scott Benner (25:27) Mhmm. (25:28) How does it feel? (25:29) Do you feel better than other people? (25:31) You don't judge? (25:32) Look at you.
Scott Benner (25:33) Real serious question, Stephanie. (25:34) Like, transformative to be around that many births? (25:37) Like, is it does it change your perspective on the world at all?
Stephanie (25:41) It is amazing to watch. (25:43) It's just every time a baby is born, I cry. (25:48) It's a renewal and a new opportunity, and it's just a miracle to watch.
Scott Benner (25:52) Yeah. (25:52) So
Stephanie (25:55) it's still a passion of mine, but trace diagnosis kind of changed my trajectory. (26:03) And instead of working in the birthing suite, more or less, I ultimately wanna work with the reproductive side of it and then endocrinology. (26:14) So I have one more step to go, and I'm going back for my nurse practitioner so that I can do endo.
Scott Benner (26:20) Oh, very nice. (26:22) I mean, being in the emergency department has gotta be the polar opposite of watching a child be born. (26:28) Right? (26:28) Like, isn't it is it crazy?
Stephanie (26:31) I mean, it's not it's not as crazy as you would think it is most of the time. (26:35) Really? (26:35) It's fast paced. (26:37) You never know what a day is going to bring. (26:40) Depending on which part of the ER I'm in, I could be in the main ER, and I could have a code come in.
Stephanie (26:46) I could have a critical care patient where I'm the only where they're my only patient. (26:51) But I could also be in our fast track area, and I can have six people. (26:57) Some are abdominal pain. (26:58) Some is maybe a broken bone. (27:00) Like, you never know what your day is gonna bring.
Scott Benner (27:02) Do you have experiences like, if I said to you, like, Stephanie, have you saved a life? (27:07) Can you, like, honestly say, yes, I have?
Stephanie (27:10) Yes.
Scott Benner (27:11) Yeah. (27:11) Isn't it crazy, Trey, that she saved someone's life but can't get your eggs right?
Stephanie (27:16) Yes. (27:16) Yeah.
Scott Benner (27:17) So it's disappointing, isn't it?
Trey (27:19) I mean simpler.
Scott Benner (27:21) You would think, but apparently not.
Stephanie (27:23) Depends on your perspective.
Scott Benner (27:25) I'm sorry. (27:27) I asked you that question just so I can say that. (27:29) That's right. (27:29) I feel bad now. (27:33) I just assume you've saved somebody's life if you're in the ER, but I was like, oh, how how can I get this back to the eggs is what I was thinking?
Scott Benner (27:41) Also
Stephanie (27:42) It's all about the eggs.
Scott Benner (27:43) It really is, honestly. (27:45) True enough. (27:46) So is, childbirth. (27:48) So Right? (27:49) Yeah.
Scott Benner (27:49) Yeah. (27:49) Right. (27:49) Everything's about the eggs, really. (27:51) And I am definitely having poached eggs for lunch when I'm done recording with you. (27:55) Yeah.
Scott Benner (27:55) I'm gonna finish recording with you. (27:57) I'm gonna have a call with John from Sugarpixel. (28:00) I don't know if you guys know Sugarpixel. (28:01) You know what that is?
Stephanie (28:02) I do.
Scott Benner (28:03) Yeah. (28:03) John and I are gonna go on a little tour of America in 2026. (28:07) I think we're doing ADA, a d c e s, Friends for Life together.
Stephanie (28:12) Oh, that will be fun.
Scott Benner (28:13) Yes. (28:13) It will. (28:13) Look for us. (28:14) We'll be out there. (28:15) I don't do a lot of that.
Scott Benner (28:16) What I just did just now, I feel like a YouTuber. (28:19) I'm like, subscribe and follow. (28:22) I'm gonna be, at ADACS. (28:25) Sorry. (28:25) I feel like a douchebag doing that.
Stephanie (28:27) That that's a lot of a lot of letters.
Scott Benner (28:30) A d a c s, American Diabetes Educator Care Specialists. (28:36) Is that right? (28:37) Oh, did I get that right?
Trey (28:39) It might be.
Scott Benner (28:40) Trey, let's look real quick because I would be super happy with myself if I got that right. (28:44) Give me a second. (28:45) A d a what? (28:46) Let's see.
Stephanie (28:47) Yeah. (28:48) Certified diabetes specialist, I think, is what it
Scott Benner (28:52) I don't know. (28:53) It's possible. (28:54) I have no idea. (28:54) They invited me to come speak a couple times, then I told them what I wanted to talk about, and they said no. (28:59) It's like, okay.
Scott Benner (29:00) Fine. (29:01) You're not a doctor. (29:02) You can't talk about that. (29:06) I don't know. (29:07) It's yeah.
Scott Benner (29:08) And then ADA, that one's easy.
Stephanie (29:11) Right.
Scott Benner (29:11) Friends for life. (29:12) Hey, you guys ever been to Friends for Life or anything like that? (29:14) Trey, do you know a lot of people with diabetes?
Trey (29:17) I know another lacrosse goalie with it. (29:19) His name is Anthony.
Scott Benner (29:21) Mhmm. (29:21) Wait.
Trey (29:22) I Seriously? (29:23) Used to play with him. (29:24) Yeah. (29:25) Yeah.
Scott Benner (29:26) You know another lacrosse goalie who has diabetes?
Stephanie (29:31) Yeah. (29:31) He's he's in the same general area of us, and we met him this summer. (29:40) I think the summer after Trey was diagnosed. (29:43) He either had a a Dexcom failure or he was running low. (29:50) And I was running around the field to bring him something.
Stephanie (29:56) The other dad was like, oh, I thought I heard a an alarm.
Scott Benner (30:01) No kidding.
Stephanie (30:02) And it yeah. (30:04) What
Scott Benner (30:04) a weird
Stephanie (30:04) He lives, like, thirty minutes from us. (30:08) He's a couple years older, and Trey's taken a couple of spots that he recommended and wears his Dexcom and his pump there for games and whatnot.
Scott Benner (30:21) Wow. (30:22) That's awfully bizarre and kinda cool. (30:25) So Yeah. (30:26) Yeah. (30:26) Yeah.
Scott Benner (30:27) Very what a what a strange little thing. (30:30) What makes you wanna do the podcast? (30:32) I'll start with you, Stephanie.
Trey (30:35) So
Stephanie (30:35) I really just enjoyed listening. (30:38) Trey was the one that wanted to do it. (30:40) I'm like, well, if you do it, I'll go on with you. (30:42) So Heath really the reason that we came on, he wanted to talk about dealing day to day with it as a a preteen and a kid and then how he manages athletically.
Scott Benner (30:55) Well, Trey, you wanted to come on the podcast, but your mom what you you you wanna bring your mommy with you? (31:00) What's going on, Trey?
Trey (31:01) She wouldn't let me do the podcast alone because I didn't think she trusted me yet.
Scott Benner (31:04) Did she just lie to me, Trey? (31:06) Did she just lie to me about why she's here?
Stephanie (31:08) I did not. (31:09) I
Trey (31:10) wanted to go on the podcast because I thought it'd be fun, and I wanted my own episode down there. (31:15) Yeah. (31:16) But I wanted to do it solo, and mom wouldn't let me.
Scott Benner (31:19) Oh my gosh, Trey. (31:21) Don't you think she should get off now? (31:23) Let us talk, and maybe she could go practice some eggs. (31:25) You know what I mean? (31:26) See if she can't
Trey (31:26) get a your eggs, mom.
Scott Benner (31:29) Can you imagine? (31:31) I don't mean that in any way way that someone's gonna yell at me for, like, he told that lady to get in the kitchen. (31:36) I heard him. (31:37) He doesn't like women. (31:39) I don't know.
Scott Benner (31:39) I I hear you and your complaints about the world out there. (31:43) Take it out on somebody else. (31:45) Okay. (31:46) So, Trey, tell me.
Stephanie (31:46) It's always the middle one. (31:48) They're the troublemakers.
Scott Benner (31:49) Trey, what is it you wanna do? (31:51) I mean, what is it you want people to know, or what do you wanna share?
Trey (31:54) So we started listening to your podcast, like, last year, was it, mom?
Stephanie (32:01) It was two years ago. (32:02) I found the podcast in September or October after he was diagnosed in the July.
Scott Benner (32:10) Mhmm.
Stephanie (32:10) Like, was like, there's gotta be an easier way to do this.
Trey (32:13) And we started we started listening to it, and we tried out pre bolus thing, and it worked really well because I didn't go to 250 after I ate my food.
Scott Benner (32:22) Yeah.
Trey (32:23) I stayed, like, at 200 max
Scott Benner (32:26) Nice.
Trey (32:26) For the first couple of for the first week that we tried it.
Scott Benner (32:30) Yeah.
Trey (32:30) And it worked really well. (32:32) So we we've been keep on doing that.
Scott Benner (32:34) Where do you hope that your blood sugar doesn't go above now when you eat? (32:38) What's your goal?
Trey (32:39) 200. (32:40) Don't go above 200.
Scott Benner (32:41) That's how you feel. (32:42) And how and what happens if you get to 200? (32:44) What do you do?
Trey (32:45) I take more insulin.
Scott Benner (32:47) Alright. (32:47) Look at you. (32:48) Stephanie, you're saying it wasn't going well. (32:50) So what? (32:51) He had diabetes for, like, three months and you started thinking, like, this can't be the answer?
Stephanie (32:55) Well, I was like, there's gotta be more. (32:58) You know, I I was managing okay, but it was every waking thought that I had was where's his number? (33:07) How much insulin has he had? (33:09) How much you know, how long do we have? (33:13) And then he wants to eat again.
Scott Benner (33:16) I know. (33:17) Right?
Trey (33:17) I like food. (33:18) Okay?
Scott Benner (33:18) Well, no. (33:19) No. (33:19) Trace, you're not doing anything wrong. (33:20) But, like, when you're a person who's trying to figure it out, like, just as you feel like you've got the bolus from the last meal figured out, somebody's like, I'm hungry. (33:27) And you're like, oh my god.
Scott Benner (33:27) I just need a second. (33:28) Hold on. (33:30) Just feels
Stephanie (33:31) like I was exhausted. (33:33) Yeah. (33:33) So it it was really
Scott Benner (33:35) So you find the podcast and you go right to management series stuff? (33:41) Is that what you did?
Stephanie (33:42) Well, actually, I started at the beginning. (33:45) So I'm still still working through the episodes. (33:48) I haven't listened to new episodes yet. (33:50) Oh.
Trey (33:50) More like episode 300 ish?
Stephanie (33:52) Nope. (33:53) Kidding. (33:53) About episode 400.
Scott Benner (33:55) Oh, I love that.
Stephanie (33:56) Still working through. (33:57) So, I mean, in two years, I've listened to not quite 400 episodes, but still working through it.
Scott Benner (34:04) But things are going the way you want now?
Stephanie (34:06) Yeah. (34:07) I mean, his last appointment, his A1C was five nine.
Scott Benner (34:10) Good job, man.
Stephanie (34:11) His endo walks in the room. (34:14) He goes, I don't have anything to say to you. (34:16) You're my best best patient of the day. (34:18) And, you know, he's had that a couple of times now. (34:21) He the last three A1C's were, like, 59, 6 or 61, and then 59 again.
Stephanie (34:29) The first time we got 59, he's like, oh, I wanna make sure you're not having too many lows. (34:33) And I'm like, really? (34:34) We're not.
Scott Benner (34:35) Yeah.
Stephanie (34:37) But okay. (34:38) I'll I'll be a little bit less aggressive.
Scott Benner (34:41) After you prove to him that that wasn't the case, did he leave you alone on that?
Stephanie (34:45) He did. (34:46) Over the summer, his a one c went from, like, that five nine to six or six one. (34:51) And the two weeks before we went in, he was at diabetes camp. (34:59) His blood sugar ran so high the whole week. (35:03) So I was able to see he's like, what happened here?
Stephanie (35:05) I'm like, oh, he was at camp. (35:07) Oh, okay.
Scott Benner (35:08) Trey, do you feel prepared to take care of yourself? (35:11) Like, if your mom just, like don't I know. (35:14) She just disappeared for five five days. (35:16) Would you be okay?
Trey (35:18) Yeah. (35:20) There's
Scott Benner (35:21) What is it that you've learned in the last two years that makes you feel like, yeah, I could be fine?
Trey (35:25) I can pre bolus early enough, and I have plenty of food, so I'll be okay.
Scott Benner (35:30) Yeah. (35:30) Do you get scared of being low ever?
Trey (35:33) No. (35:33) Not really.
Scott Benner (35:34) Have you been really low?
Trey (35:36) I've been to, like, low thirties. (35:39) Yeah. (35:41) Upper twenties of, like, the lows I've been, I think, like, 28, 29.
Scott Benner (35:45) How'd that feel? (35:45) Can you describe it?
Trey (35:46) I kept screaming for juice. (35:48) Just give me sanity. (35:49) Just juice.
Scott Benner (35:50) You're just yelling? (35:51) Were you being helped? (35:52) Like, somebody was helping you?
Trey (35:53) Yes. (35:54) Mom was bringing me food, but she was telling me to relax, otherwise, my blood sugar would go to infinite.
Scott Benner (35:59) Could you have Trey helped yourself if she wasn't there, do you think?
Trey (36:03) Yeah. (36:03) I probably would have just kept grabbing Maurice's food.
Scott Benner (36:05) Okay. (36:06) Stephanie, do you remember that situation?
Stephanie (36:08) There's been a couple of times where I've had to keep him from eating the kitchen.
Scott Benner (36:13) Yeah.
Stephanie (36:13) Wants to keep grabbing the food. (36:15) I'm like, okay. (36:16) So we've gotta give this a couple of minutes to work. (36:20) If we're not going back up in, ten, we will eat a little bit more. (36:24) Mhmm.
Stephanie (36:25) But as it is, I already am going to have to give you insulin.
Scott Benner (36:29) Can you talk a little bit about, like, the sort of psychological side of that when that's over? (36:34) Stephanie, do you go somewhere quiet for a minute? (36:36) Like, how does it hit you afterwards?
Stephanie (36:39) You know, it's
Scott Benner (36:41) Maybe the nursing brain doesn't let you feel too upset by it?
Stephanie (36:44) I feel like I respond less than a lot of my peers who don't have a lot of experience with diabetes. (36:54) I I mean, I respond, but I don't respond in that I'm going to throw all of the sugar at it kind of way.
Scott Benner (37:02) Yeah. (37:02) I mean, more like, are you upset about your son being low after like, after you've handled it, do you have, like, any existential, like, oh my god. (37:09) My kids got really low. (37:10) That was super close to a seizure kind of feelings?
Stephanie (37:13) It makes me nervous.
Scott Benner (37:15) Yeah.
Stephanie (37:15) You know, I almost congratulate myself. (37:17) Okay. (37:17) We prevented another one. (37:19) He's luckily never had, knock on wood, a seizure. (37:23) Always had glucagon on hand, but he he's never had to use it.
Stephanie (37:27) Again, knock on wood.
Scott Benner (37:28) Trey, which glucagon do you have?
Trey (37:30) We have, like, two or three pen ones.
Scott Benner (37:33) Yeah. (37:33) Gvoke.
Trey (37:34) And then I have one or two nasal.
Scott Benner (37:36) Wait. (37:37) You just got wait. (37:37) You got the whole thing. (37:39) Stephanie, why you got both of them? (37:40) What what's the play there?
Stephanie (37:42) So the Gvoke was what was prescribed first, and then I heard about the, Beschimi, I think is it. (37:50) I wanted to to see what it was about and try it.
Trey (37:53) Mhmm.
Stephanie (37:53) We haven't used it. (37:54) So I've got one prescription of that. (37:57) It was more about just having it on hand, and I feel like the Gvoke is more socially understood because it's the same as an EpiPen.
Scott Benner (38:09) Okay.
Trey (38:09) It's similar to EpiPen.
Scott Benner (38:10) Yeah. (38:11) Yeah. (38:11) But you still tried the Baqsimi?
Stephanie (38:13) Well, we have it. (38:14) We'd have never used
Scott Benner (38:15) it. (38:15) Yeah. (38:15) I mean, you but well, yeah. (38:16) But you you got it is what I'm saying. (38:18) Yes.
Scott Benner (38:18) I think that it's a thing that doesn't get used very often. (38:21) It's super important to have it. (38:22) I'm glad you have any. (38:23) I wanna be clear. (38:24) Everyone out there, you got Baqsimi, you got ChivoC.
Scott Benner (38:27) I'm happy you have happy you have glucagon with you. (38:29) I hope everybody's carrying it.
Trey (38:30) We have a Gvoke in the nurse's office at school.
Scott Benner (38:35) Mhmm.
Trey (38:36) We have one that sits at home in our little diabetes basket by the fridge where, we keep all my like, some all some stuff. (38:44) Yeah. (38:44) And then I have one of my diabetes bag I bring around with me.
Scott Benner (38:48) So you have them spread around because and you can't keep all of your glucagon in one basket. (38:54) Right?
Stephanie (38:55) Yep. (38:55) Nope.
Scott Benner (38:56) Yep. (38:56) Just like you don't want
Stephanie (38:57) eggs again.
Scott Benner (38:57) Yes. (38:58) Yes. (38:58) You don't wanna put all your eggs in one basket, Trey. (39:01) Trey, tell me about playing sports with diabetes. (39:04) What do you have to do to prep?
Scott Benner (39:05) What do you have to do while you're playing? (39:07) What do you have to do after you're playing?
Trey (39:09) So, when I go on the field for a goalie, I my my dad puts my blood sugar about, like, one thirty, one fifty ish. (39:16) So in case I drop, I have time to catch it.
Scott Benner (39:19) Okay.
Trey (39:19) Because I'm at a 100 and I start dropping. (39:22) Yeah. (39:22) I might not have enough time to catch it, and I might have to go off the field for a minute.
Scott Benner (39:26) You're wearing a pump?
Trey (39:28) Yes. (39:29) Which one? (39:29) Omnipod.
Scott Benner (39:30) Omnipod. (39:30) Omnipod five?
Trey (39:32) Oh, yes.
Scott Benner (39:33) What did do? (39:33) You set the target differently? (39:35) Because with that target, you put in, like, three different places. (39:37) You make a higher target.
Trey (39:38) In activity mode.
Scott Benner (39:39) Activity mode. (39:40) And that kinda brings your blood sugar up a little bit before you play.
Trey (39:43) Yeah.
Scott Benner (39:44) Do you eat before you play?
Trey (39:46) Sometimes.
Scott Benner (39:47) Do you find that you get low more frequently when you've eaten before the game?
Trey (39:51) Mhmm. (39:52) Because if I have insulin on board, it activates when I'm when I'm, like, doing workout and stuff. (39:57) When I'm exercising, it activates quicker, the insulin does. (40:00) And then my blood sugar goes down quicker.
Scott Benner (40:03) Try are trying to make me cry? (40:05) No. (40:05) I'm so happy you know that. (40:07) Thank you. (40:08) Oh, I feel like my life means something that you said that out loud.
Scott Benner (40:11) That's so awesome. (40:12) How did you learn that? (40:14) You. (40:15) Trey, I swear I I I I I'm gonna sound less manly than I did back when I was telling your mom to get back in the kitchen. (40:22) I got a tear in my eye from that.
Scott Benner (40:23) That was wonderful. (40:25) I mean, I'm so happy for you that you know that. (40:27) It's really
Trey (40:28) drinking water makes the insulin activate quicker?
Scott Benner (40:31) Yeah. (40:31) Staying hydrated, right, makes everything work better. (40:35) Do you guys get disconnected?
Stephanie (40:37) No. (40:38) I'm here.
Scott Benner (40:38) Okay. (40:39) Trey, are you there? (40:40) Yeah. (40:41) Oh, he's like voice did you you heard it too. (40:42) Right?
Scott Benner (40:43) Stephanie, like, voice started to, like, fade away while he was talking about water? (40:46) Am I the only one that heard that?
Stephanie (40:47) He was talking too long. (40:49) He just ran out of breath.
Scott Benner (40:52) Does that happen, Trey? (40:53) Do you sometimes talk so long you pass out? (40:56) No. (40:56) No?
Trey (40:57) I don't know. (40:57) My phone my phone glitches sometimes.
Scott Benner (40:59) That's okay. (40:59) Maybe you need a new phone for Christmas.
Stephanie (41:02) No. (41:02) I just got a new phone. (41:03) Couple months ago.
Scott Benner (41:04) Try I'm trying to help you.
Trey (41:05) Put My old phone's kind of exploded.
Scott Benner (41:08) Oh, yeah.
Trey (41:08) But it doesn't work anymore. (41:09) It doesn't wanna turn on.
Scott Benner (41:10) Yeah. (41:10) If you don't need the phone, then we pivot to something else that you want. (41:13) Don't just say no
Trey (41:14) so quickly. (41:15) Ebike.
Scott Benner (41:15) And mom
Trey (41:16) won't give me one because it's too expensive. (41:18) I want one. (41:18) It's, like, $600. (41:19) It goes, like, 30 miles an hour.
Scott Benner (41:21) Wait. (41:21) You wanna drive 30 miles an hour?
Stephanie (41:24) On an ebike. (41:24) The problem.
Scott Benner (41:25) I bet I was gonna say I bet you'd eat the $600 stopping you from getting the ebike because I heard all three of you are all over the country playing lacrosse. (41:31) Your mom's got 600. (41:32) She could she don't want you going that fast. (41:35) You understand?
Trey (41:35) I can go but I can go to school in ten minutes. (41:38) I don't can stay a little bit.
Scott Benner (41:39) Stop it, Trey. (41:40) I agree with your mom. (41:41) You're completely wrong. (41:42) You're not getting an ebike. (41:43) I'm sorry.
Trey (41:44) No fair.
Scott Benner (41:45) Your mother and I have spoken.
Trey (41:47) On PlayStation and PS five. (41:48) I'm giving you a PS five. (41:49) My PS four is glitchy. (41:51) It doesn't wanna work.
Scott Benner (41:52) Listen.
Stephanie (41:53) I love you too much to get an ebike for you because you make stupid choices sometimes.
Trey (41:58) I would I would decide to do the soup do the Superman flying pose while going 30 miles an hour down Main Street.
Stephanie (42:06) Yeah. (42:07) Like I said, stupid choices.
Scott Benner (42:08) Trey, I think it would be easier if your mom just grabbed you by the ankles, smacked your head on the ground, and then, like, and then saved the 600. (42:15) You know what I mean? (42:15) That's not good. (42:16) You don't you don't need that.
Stephanie (42:17) That could be arranged too.
Scott Benner (42:19) We're not saying that's not gonna happen. (42:21) Yeah, man. (42:21) I listen. (42:22) I hate to say this. (42:23) I don't usually say stuff like that.
Scott Benner (42:24) You're too young. (42:25) I wouldn't let you have it either.
Trey (42:26) I'm not sure.
Scott Benner (42:27) Yo. (42:27) You wanna know
Trey (42:28) what My friend has a ebike and they ride it to school. (42:30) It goes it go their their bike goes 50 miles an hour.
Scott Benner (42:33) You know why they have one?
Trey (42:34) Because their parents trust them.
Scott Benner (42:36) No. (42:36) Your mom knows why because their parents don't love them. (42:38) That's why.
Trey (42:39) Their parents own a a pizza place.
Scott Benner (42:42) Well, I don't know if that's Wait. (42:44) What does that got to do with anything?
Stephanie (42:46) Because their parents don't work in the ER and see kids come in with injuries from doing stupid things.
Trey (42:53) Yeah. (42:54) And also, they have they have a lot of money from the restaurant.
Scott Benner (42:57) The pizza money.
Trey (42:58) The pizza money.
Scott Benner (42:59) I'll tell you right now, Trey. (43:01) Your slightly offensive Italian accent aside, let me say this. (43:05) Okay? (43:06) I think about this all the time. (43:08) That pizza business has gotta be a cash cow.
Scott Benner (43:11) Right? (43:11) Because what are we really doing here? (43:13) Dough, cheese, an oven, little sauce. (43:16) Yeah. (43:18) Right?
Scott Benner (43:18) It can't be that the overhead's gotta be mostly the building. (43:22) I don't think the ingredients are much. (43:24) I think that's a that's a license to print money, that pizza thing. (43:27) People love pizza too.
Trey (43:29) Sally, shoo.
Scott Benner (43:31) What happened there? (43:32) I didn't hear.
Trey (43:33) My brother's here. (43:34) Sullivan, shoo.
Scott Benner (43:35) Yeah. (43:35) Get him out of there. (43:36) How old is he?
Trey (43:36) Shoo fly. (43:37) Mom's also on the podcast.
Stephanie (43:38) Go. (43:39) Trey, be nice.
Scott Benner (43:40) Yes, Trey. (43:41) I know you're trying to be funny, Trey. (43:42) And it's not working, but it's not your fault.
Trey (43:44) I'm gonna throw a dog toy at him.
Scott Benner (43:46) Oh, well, that would be
Stephanie (43:47) Sullivan is a whole
Scott Benner (43:50) Is a whole what?
Stephanie (43:51) A whole year and a half younger than Trey.
Scott Benner (43:54) Oh, Trey. (43:55) Yeah. (43:55) What's it like to be so much more mature?
Trey (43:58) I'm also bigger than him. (44:00) I'm I'm taller than him. (44:01) Yeah. (44:02) I'm gonna snipe you with a
Stephanie (44:04) shoe, boys.
Scott Benner (44:06) Yeah. (44:06) Don't throw things. (44:07) But if you throw something, make it a squeaky toy because that'll be funny.
Trey (44:10) Did you
Scott Benner (44:11) get him with a a toy? (44:12) A squeaky toy?
Trey (44:13) I hit him I hit him with one of my shoes.
Scott Benner (44:15) I don't think that's right. (44:16) Although, Ike Turner found it very effective.
Trey (44:19) It is very effective.
Scott Benner (44:21) Yeah. (44:21) That's a joke for maybe five people.
Stephanie (44:23) This is my every day.
Scott Benner (44:25) Yeah. (44:26) No, Stephanie. (44:26) You have a you have a problem over there. (44:27) I know. (44:28) The two boys that close in age, that's not good.
Stephanie (44:30) Nineteen months apart, and it's it's it's constant. (44:34) Yes. (44:35) Sometimes he feeds it.
Scott Benner (44:39) You think he's doing that, to get back at you, or do you think he's what do you think's going on there?
Stephanie (44:45) My husband was one of seven. (44:47) His house was always like that too.
Scott Benner (44:49) Oh, he just likes it. (44:50) Yeah. (44:50) It probably feels normal to him.
Trey (44:51) It it
Stephanie (44:52) he thrives on it. (44:53) A little crazy.
Scott Benner (44:54) You got any brothers or sisters, Stephanie?
Stephanie (44:56) I have two. (44:57) I have one of each. (44:58) I'm the oldest of three.
Scott Benner (44:59) Okay. (45:00) Alright. (45:00) I hear that you're the oldest in your voice when you talk about this stuff, by the way.
Trey (45:04) The youngest one of her siblings is my uncle Steven.
Scott Benner (45:07) Oh, yeah? (45:09) What what
Trey (45:10) Uncle Steven
Scott Benner (45:10) Go ahead.
Trey (45:11) He he he lives on, like, a farm ish. (45:15) He he has two horses named Flash and Bentley. (45:18) He also has two goats named Andy and Ella. (45:21) And my little cousins, they're they're fun to play with. (45:24) One's five and one's, like, two year old.
Scott Benner (45:25) Yeah.
Trey (45:26) Right, Grandma? (45:27) Yes.
Scott Benner (45:27) That's cool. (45:28) Hey. (45:29) Although I don't understand what farm ish means.
Stephanie (45:31) It it is a farm pet.
Scott Benner (45:34) Does he have chickens?
Trey (45:36) Yes. (45:36) He has chickens.
Scott Benner (45:37) Do they lay eggs?
Trey (45:40) Yes. (45:41) They make the eggs. (45:42) They make the breakfast.
Scott Benner (45:43) Do you ever have the eggs from the chickens from the uncle Steven?
Trey (45:46) Sometimes. (45:47) They give them to us sometimes.
Scott Benner (45:48) Are they better than the eggs from the store?
Trey (45:51) Yes.
Scott Benner (45:52) How? (45:52) Please tell me how.
Trey (45:54) They're more fresh, so they taste better. (45:56) They don't go through weird factory processes.
Scott Benner (45:59) Mhmm. (46:00) Mhmm.
Trey (46:00) They just come from the chicken coop. (46:02) They get washed off, and then they get put in egg carton and sent to us.
Scott Benner (46:06) Sounds like Steven It
Stephanie (46:07) really is all about the eggs. (46:08) My gosh.
Scott Benner (46:09) Well, let's say you guys brought it up, not me. (46:12) Steven, sounds like he got ahold of you, told you good about those eggs.
Trey (46:16) Eggs. (46:17) Yummy.
Scott Benner (46:18) Yeah. (46:18) Yeah. (46:18) Yeah. (46:18) And they're from Chicago? (46:20) They're Chicago eggs?
Stephanie (46:22) They are Chicago eggs. (46:24) Chicagoland eggs. (46:25) Chicago.
Scott Benner (46:26) Local politics in Chicago is
Stephanie (46:28) Almost Wisconsin eggs.
Scott Benner (46:29) Almost oh, West ish?
Stephanie (46:32) Far Northwest.
Scott Benner (46:33) How far how close are you to the train station?
Stephanie (46:35) Which train station?
Scott Benner (46:37) By the football field.
Stephanie (46:38) Union State or downtown?
Scott Benner (46:39) I think yeah. (46:40) Yeah. (46:40) Yeah.
Trey (46:41) We're about a two hour drive from
Stephanie (46:42) the It's about an hour and twenty minute train drive.
Scott Benner (46:45) The problem there is that Trey was doing the math on an ebike and you were doing the math in the car. (46:49) He's like, that's about two hours. (46:50) Yeah. (46:51) Two hours by ebike.
Trey (46:52) Drive. (46:53) It's it's two hour drive in a car.
Scott Benner (46:55) Your mom says no?
Trey (46:57) That's with The train the train doesn't stop, though. (46:59) The train doesn't stop, though.
Scott Benner (47:01) Wait. (47:01) What the hell are you talking about, Trey?
Trey (47:03) She you the train she said a train ride is an hour hour long there.
Scott Benner (47:08) From where you are? (47:09) You have a train near you?
Trey (47:11) We have a train about twenty ish minutes from our house.
Scott Benner (47:13) I gotcha.
Trey (47:14) Train station.
Scott Benner (47:15) How do you like living in the Midwest and where it's cold? (47:18) Have you ever lived the other I mean, you lived in Texas. (47:20) Right? (47:21) What what are your feelings?
Trey (47:22) I lived in Texas for the first three two or three months of my life, and then I took an airplane up to Illinois.
Scott Benner (47:27) Right. (47:28) I'm talking about your mom trying to your mom lived in Texas. (47:31) I know you didn't stay there long. (47:32) How long were you there, Stephanie?
Stephanie (47:34) So we were in Texas a little over a year and of, like, fifteen months. (47:40) I loved it. (47:41) I met, like, my group of people down there, but, sadly, my husband was on a a temporary assignment, and he didn't get a permanent position down there. (47:51) So we went back to where the corporate office was.
Scott Benner (47:54) I see. (47:55) I see. (47:55) But you wished you were in Texas?
Stephanie (47:57) Yeah. (47:58) I loved it.
Trey (47:58) Yeah. (47:59) I don't like the cold. (48:01) The cold sucks.
Scott Benner (48:03) In Chicago?
Trey (48:05) I don't like the cold.
Scott Benner (48:06) I don't either, Trey. (48:07) It's upsetting to me. (48:09) Starting to get cold here now, even though it doesn't work the same way as it did when I was a kid. (48:13) Like, by by now like, Stephanie, you're not my age, but you're close enough. (48:16) Like, by now November, it would have been, like, borderlining on getting frigid right now.
Scott Benner (48:20) Like, it would start getting yeah. (48:22) And it's it's nice. (48:23) My grass is still green. (48:24) It's ridiculous.
Stephanie (48:26) We're still pretty green here. (48:27) I mean, the trees are most well, they're mostly changed, and a lot of them have lost their leaves, but it's late this year for that. (48:35) Yeah. (48:36) And yeah. (48:37) I mean
Scott Benner (48:38) Feels like it shifts more every year.
Stephanie (48:41) Really does.
Scott Benner (48:41) Yeah. (48:42) Like, it doesn't get super cold here, like, until February and March now. (48:46) Like, it's just I don't know.
Trey (48:47) It's
Scott Benner (48:48) strange. (48:49) Anyway, I agree with Trey. (48:50) Let's all go to Texas. (48:51) I don't want bad allergies, though. (48:52) Is that gonna happen to me in San Antonio?
Stephanie (48:55) My allergies weren't bad in San Antonio.
Scott Benner (48:57) Alright. (48:57) I'm on my way then. (48:58) Let's go.
Stephanie (48:58) I'm tired. (48:58) I'm tired of this. (48:59) I mean, we just spent the last week in Florida. (49:01) And if it wasn't for the humidity, I would stay there too.
Scott Benner (49:04) Yeah. (49:05) Bugs too.
Trey (49:05) Not fair. (49:06) I wanted to go.
Scott Benner (49:07) Well, you had school. (49:10) No. (49:10) What do you mean no? (49:11) You didn't have school?
Trey (49:12) Well, they left Thursday night. (49:13) And I got out of school. (49:15) I got early release on Friday, which was at 12:30.
Scott Benner (49:18) They didn't wanna take you because you're a pain in the ass or what? (49:20) Why didn't you get to come?
Trey (49:22) I didn't get to come because it was my sister's tournament, and they did not feel like paying an extra, like, $600 for me to go there and back.
Scott Benner (49:30) Yeah. (49:30) It makes sense.
Trey (49:31) Plus food costs.
Scott Benner (49:32) They could have paid for the ebike with that money they saved.
Stephanie (49:35) Well, I mean, I told them. (49:37) They get a tournament in in in Florida, and and you're good to go.
Scott Benner (49:40) Yeah. (49:41) Oh, I see. (49:41) Oh, she got invited. (49:42) Right? (49:42) Like, she's down there getting recruited?
Stephanie (49:45) Her her team went. (49:46) It was a recruiting tournament for her team. (49:49) She's on a twenty twenty seven, an all junior team. (49:53) So
Scott Benner (49:53) Nice. (49:54) That's awesome. (49:55) Alright. (49:55) So where are we taking all this, Trey? (49:57) Like, we've got our Omnipod five.
Scott Benner (49:59) We're doing great with our a one c. (50:01) You sound like you're on top of what's going on. (50:03) You're learning about your diabetes. (50:04) Like, how do you see this going the next couple of years, and are you thinking of going to college?
Trey (50:11) Yes. (50:11) College. (50:12) I hope my blood sugar stays good, and my a one c stays good for the next couple years.
Scott Benner (50:16) What are you thinking about? (50:17) I know you're only 13, but this is the oldest you've ever been, so I don't mean to say only 13. (50:22) But you
Trey (50:23) turned 13, about, like, three weeks ago.
Scott Benner (50:25) Oh, you just turned 13. (50:27) Happy birthday. (50:28) What'd you get?
Trey (50:30) I got $20 from my auntie Kim with, she lives in Maryland. (50:34) Nice. (50:34) Or no. (50:34) She lives in, like, Maryland, Virginia border.
Scott Benner (50:38) Wow. (50:38) Hey. (50:38) Listen. (50:39) In Maryland money, that 20 is a 50. (50:40) Now what else you got?
Scott Benner (50:42) That's what you got. (50:42) You got $20 for your birthday. (50:43) Your mom gets you anything?
Trey (50:45) She got me a a cool lacrosse goalie sticker, but my friends, they got me a birthday crown.
Scott Benner (50:52) Nice. (50:53) Did anybody make your eggs the way you like them for your birthday?
Trey (50:55) They got me a watermelon mango peelers gummy thingies.
Scott Benner (50:59) Okay.
Trey (51:00) They were also really good.
Scott Benner (51:01) Nice. (51:02) Nice.
Stephanie (51:03) And what did we get you right before your birthday? (51:06) What did we just replace?
Scott Benner (51:09) Was it the phone?
Stephanie (51:10) Your goalie head.
Scott Benner (51:12) Oh, your goalie?
Trey (51:13) Yeah. (51:13) My goalie head, it kinda, it kinda started cracking at the base where it connects to the shaft to the stick. (51:19) They started cracking.
Scott Benner (51:21) Wait. (51:21) Wait. (51:21) Wait. (51:21) What's goal what's a goalie head?
Trey (51:24) It's basically a lacrosse head that's the size of a watermelon. (51:26) It can hold a watermelon.
Scott Benner (51:27) I don't understand what it's for, though.
Stephanie (51:29) It's for saving the lacrosse stick.
Scott Benner (51:33) Wait. (51:33) I'm I'm I I need an image of this.
Trey (51:36) So it's something called a gold stick.
Scott Benner (51:38) Oh. (51:38) Oh, it's the thing that holds the net on the end of your stick. (51:42) Mhmm. (51:43) Oh, I
Stephanie (51:43) got it. (51:44) And he got he got a whole new stick. (51:45) He got his new head strung and dyed and a new shaft. (51:54) So
Trey (51:54) I I call my stick the Loki leprechaun because I have shamrocks, and it and it has golden lettering on it, and it's green.
Scott Benner (52:05) Dude, you are like a font of offensive impersonations. (52:08) I love you. (52:12) You called the are you Irish?
Trey (52:14) Oh, German Irish.
Scott Benner (52:15) Oh, okay. (52:16) I was gonna say, where did she come up with just because it was green?
Trey (52:19) Lucky leprechaun.
Scott Benner (52:20) She could've
Trey (52:21) got Is it Lucky leprechaun?
Scott Benner (52:22) Because if it's green, you could've called it Godzilla. (52:24) There's lot of things you could've done.
Trey (52:26) Well, it's It was supposed to Hulk head. (52:28) It used originally used to be the Hulk stick.
Scott Benner (52:31) Mhmm.
Trey (52:31) So I I kinda send kids flying if they get too close to my crease.
Scott Benner (52:36) Yeah. (52:36) Yeah.
Trey (52:37) But now it's the lucky leprechaun.
Scott Benner (52:39) Yeah. (52:39) My wife does that too. (52:41) Alright. (52:41) That one just fell flat. (52:43) It's okay.
Scott Benner (52:44) Don't worry. (52:44) Anyway, for the people listening, they got it. (52:46) You get too close to Kelly's crease, she sends you flying. (52:49) That's what
Stephanie (52:49) I I got it. (52:50) I was letting Trey
Scott Benner (52:51) do this stupid thing. (52:53) You didn't do anything. (52:54) Trey, you did nothing. (52:57) Trey, I like you, but you're not exactly a man of many words. (53:02) No.
Scott Benner (53:03) What made you think you could do a podcast by yourself for an hour?
Trey (53:07) I don't know.
Scott Benner (53:10) You should say hubris, Scott.
Trey (53:12) But my parents my parents say I never stopped talking.
Scott Benner (53:15) I know, but I asked you a question. (53:17) You went, yeah. (53:18) You you broke my heart on that one earlier. (53:21) I was like, tell me, yeah, how's that make you feel? (53:23) And you went, yeah.
Scott Benner (53:24) I was like, uh-oh.
Trey (53:26) I said, yay.
Scott Benner (53:27) Yeah. (53:27) I don't know. (53:28) I I can't remember. (53:29) It was, like, twenty minutes ago.
Stephanie (53:29) So that might that might be going back to that why mom said, maybe I'll go on with you.
Scott Benner (53:34) Yeah. (53:35) No. (53:35) I was trying to give her some I was trying to give her some credit here. (53:37) You did a good job. (53:39) Did a good job.
Scott Benner (53:40) Trae, who helps you more with your diabetes? (53:43) Your mom or your dad?
Trey (53:44) Mom.
Scott Benner (53:45) Does your dad know anything about it?
Trey (53:47) Yes.
Scott Benner (53:48) Okay. (53:49) Ish. (53:49) Ish. (53:50) Meaning?
Trey (53:51) Not as much as my mom.
Scott Benner (53:53) Do you know more about it than your dad does? (53:55) Yes. (53:55) Okay. (53:57) Is your dad busy?
Trey (53:59) I didn't hear you.
Scott Benner (54:00) Why do you think your dad has less knowledge about it?
Trey (54:03) Because my mom's a nurse, and she know and she works with kids with diabetes.
Scott Benner (54:07) Think he's deferring to her?
Trey (54:10) Yeah. (54:10) He refers to her a lot sometimes.
Scott Benner (54:12) Mhmm.
Trey (54:13) A lot of the time, he refers to her.
Scott Benner (54:15) Do you wish he knew more about it, or are you happy with the division of labor on this?
Trey (54:19) Oh, I wish he knew more about it. (54:21) I wish he knew as much as my mom. (54:23) How
Scott Benner (54:24) come?
Trey (54:24) Because then when my mom's on lacrosse shifts or she's at work for multiple hours at a time because she works twelve hour and sixteen hour shifts, I wish my dad knew like, my mom knows, like, twice as much as he does.
Scott Benner (54:40) Tell me why, though. (54:41) Why do you wish she knew more?
Trey (54:42) Because, he wouldn't have to call my mom so often. (54:46) Wouldn't have to and my mom wouldn't have to call him if my blood sugar goes high and I'm handling it, but yeah.
Scott Benner (54:52) Yeah. (54:52) But but women love it when their husbands call them and ask them all kinds of inane questions. (54:58) Don't you, Stephanie?
Trey (54:59) My mom doesn't my mom gets mad.
Scott Benner (55:01) No. (55:01) No. (55:02) I was I was being frustrates her. (55:03) Yeah. (55:03) Try I was being sarcastic.
Scott Benner (55:04) They hate that. (55:05) I'm pretty comfortable saying that, like, across the board. (55:09) So can I tell a story here?
Trey (55:12) Yeah.
Scott Benner (55:12) In honor of the Thanksgiving? (55:15) I brought our turkey home yesterday, and I got home and I put it on the counter. (55:19) And I said to Kelly, I said, Kelly, why don't you come out and, like, find a place to put this in the refrigerator? (55:23) Now I say that because Kelly buys too much food and overstuffs the refrigerator. (55:29) It's her fault.
Scott Benner (55:30) Everyone knows it. (55:30) I am not saying anything.
Trey (55:31) My mom overstuffs the fridge as well because I eat everything.
Scott Benner (55:34) I I know it. (55:35) I know. (55:35) Don't worry, Trey. (55:36) And so I don't like, because then something falls, then I get irritated, then she's irritated with me for being irritated that something fell. (55:43) And then, like so I just was like, why don't you come out and just do this, and I'll go do something else?
Scott Benner (55:47) And that way, you know, you can put this where you want it. (55:50) And she said, oh, can't you figure out how to get the turkey in the refrigerator by yourself? (55:55) She's being sarcastic with me, Trey. (55:57) And so I said, oh, no. (55:58) No.
Scott Benner (55:58) No. (55:59) No. (55:59) I'll take care of it. (56:00) So I put the turkey in the refrigerator. (56:03) Now why don't I wanna be the one to put the turkey in the refrigerator?
Scott Benner (56:05) Trey, you don't understand this yet because you're not married, But I don't want to later open myself up for commentary about how I put the turkey in the refrigerator, which is a real reason why I wanted her to do it, not because she's better at it than I am.
Stephanie (56:17) Because you were gonna do it wrong.
Scott Benner (56:18) Stephanie, that's neither here nor there, and it's not where the story ends. (56:21) So then when the story ends, it's when she looks up at me a couple minutes later and and tries to make a point sarcastically by going, oh, I see you got the turkey in the refrigerator without my help. (56:34) Meaning, you should have left me alone and not bothered me on this because you got you you see where I'm going with all this. (56:40) I, without a moment's notice and, Trey, this is why you don't mess with somebody who has what they call a quick wit. (56:46) Okay?
Scott Benner (56:47) I said, well, Kelly, it turns out that the reasons I think you're valuable around here are going down every moment. (56:55) You really should have come out here and taken care of this refrigerator thing because now I'm seeing that, you know You
Trey (57:01) did not.
Scott Benner (57:02) Maybe I did. (57:03) Try because I'm I've been married for thirty years. (57:05) I I know I'm not gonna get to be happy anymore. (57:07) So now this is where I get my happiness. (57:09) And so I said, I said, your your value here is is going down.
Scott Benner (57:13) Like, I I I don't even know why we're keeping you around exactly. (57:18) And I said, and you're quite the drain on resources. (57:24) I stopped myself from saying the next thing that popped in my head.
Trey (57:28) What was it?
Scott Benner (57:29) I don't know, Trey. (57:30) You're kinda young. (57:32) Trey, you know what happens to the ladies every month?
Trey (57:35) Yes.
Scott Benner (57:36) Yeah. (57:36) Okay. (57:36) So, I was gonna say you're quite the drain on resources, and we have to buy all those extra things for your vagina. (57:44) That's what I was gonna say. (57:46) But I kept that part in my head because I'm not completely stupid.
Scott Benner (57:52) But I was so proud of myself when I said you're quite the drain on resources, and now I have to reassess what it is you're adding back into the house because of this refrigerator thing. (58:02) Anyway, I was just tickled. (58:05) I thought if that was in a movie, that'd be a very funny moment. (58:09) And then she did not she did not think that was funny at all, in case anybody's wondering. (58:13) So anyway, Trey, my turkey's in the refrigerator.
Scott Benner (58:16) It's safe. (58:17) How big is your bird, Stephanie?
Stephanie (58:19) So I just got home at 10:30 last or 11:00 last night. (58:24) I have to go out today after we finish recording and buy it.
Scott Benner (58:26) Stephanie, you don't have a bird yet?
Stephanie (58:28) Nope. (58:29) And pray that it's thawed by the time I have to soak it in two days.
Scott Benner (58:32) So and you're gonna be cooking for five people?
Stephanie (58:35) Yeah. (58:36) I'm just cooking for the five of us.
Scott Benner (58:37) What size, bird do you like there for that?
Stephanie (58:40) So we normally get way bigger than we need because we Leftovers. (58:46) I have leftovers, and I make stoop and stuff.
Scott Benner (58:50) Do a whole thing.
Stephanie (58:52) So yeah. (58:52) Yeah. (58:53) I mean
Scott Benner (58:53) You get 20 pounds? (58:54) You go bigger?
Stephanie (58:56) Probably about 20. (58:57) Maybe not quite, but close.
Trey (58:59) Mom, get a 50 pound bird.
Scott Benner (59:01) Well, don't make this.
Stephanie (59:01) They don't make it.
Scott Benner (59:02) Yeah. (59:02) I did see a 37 once, though. (59:05) Have you ever bought a fresh turkey? (59:06) Splurged?
Stephanie (59:07) We have. (59:08) We had there's a couple of farms near us that have them and do all the things.
Scott Benner (59:14) Trey, how come uncle
Trey (59:15) turkeys on the street, I'm wondering why my dad can't just go pick one of
Scott Benner (59:18) those up. (59:19) I don't think he can eat those. (59:20) I think that's different. (59:21) And, how come uncle Steven doesn't have some turkeys? (59:23) Why can't he get involved in that?
Stephanie (59:24) Because auntie Mandy loves her turkeys and names every single one of them.
Scott Benner (59:28) Oh, wait.
Stephanie (59:28) Or not turkeys, chickens.
Scott Benner (59:30) Well, let's get a let's get let's get some turkeys working over there, and we can, wouldn't that be nice if a couple years from now you could go murder a turkey and then have it for Thanksgiving, Trey?
Trey (59:39) Auntie Manny would not be happy with that.
Scott Benner (59:41) No? (59:41) Wait. (59:42) So they have a bunch of animals. (59:43) They don't eat them?
Trey (59:44) Nope. (59:45) They eat they eat the, eggs from the chicken. (59:47) That's about it.
Scott Benner (59:48) We joked about eating we joked we joked about eating Friday last night.
Trey (59:53) Who's Friday?
Scott Benner (59:54) Harden's like, look how is my daughter's puppy. (59:57) Look how cute he is. (59:58) I could just eat him. (1:00:00) Don't you wish he was this turkey so we could have him this week? (1:00:03) She was being sweet, but I was just thinking
Stephanie (1:00:05) I I could just dabble him up kind
Scott Benner (1:00:06) of thing. (1:00:07) Yeah. (1:00:07) That was that. (1:00:07) But I was thinking, like, oh, it would be nice to get rid of this dog. (1:00:12) But I don't think he would taste good at all, Trey.
Stephanie (1:00:15) No. (1:00:16) Probably not.
Scott Benner (1:00:16) Yeah. (1:00:17) Trey, do you have a dog?
Trey (1:00:18) I have two dogs. (1:00:20) Sometimes, they eat my sister's clothes.
Scott Benner (1:00:22) Yeah. (1:00:22) I'd rather that.
Trey (1:00:23) At least.
Scott Benner (1:00:24) And I saw my dog outside the other day. (1:00:27) I was like, what's he doing? (1:00:28) Then I realized what he was doing. (1:00:29) It made me upset.
Trey (1:00:31) What was he doing?
Scott Benner (1:00:32) He was eating deer like it was candy.
Stephanie (1:00:34) Pepper doesn't eat it, but she does roll in it.
Scott Benner (1:00:37) Oh, I don't know which I prefer. (1:00:40) Those both of those things are terrible. (1:00:42) Trey, real quick.
Stephanie (1:00:43) She's a white dog, and she comes in brown sometimes.
Scott Benner (1:00:46) Oh, Jesus. (1:00:47) Trey, real quickly. (1:00:49) Be serious about this. (1:00:51) Would you rather eat deer poop or roll in deer poop?
Trey (1:00:55) Roll in it because I could clean it off.
Scott Benner (1:00:57) Even if it was on your face?
Trey (1:00:59) I could still clean it off. (1:01:00) I can't get that taste out
Scott Benner (1:01:01) of my mouth. (1:01:02) It's the right answer, Son. (1:01:03) Good job. (1:01:04) And then And
Trey (1:01:05) my dog, one of our dogs, Louie, he's the younger of the two. (1:01:09) He caught a squirrel the other day.
Scott Benner (1:01:11) When you say caught it, do you mean murdered it?
Stephanie (1:01:14) Murdered it. (1:01:14) Mhmm. (1:01:14) It it
Trey (1:01:15) was laying lifeless in the in our in our yard with its with one of its legs missing.
Scott Benner (1:01:21) Oh my god. (1:01:22) Really? (1:01:22) What kind of dog?
Trey (1:01:24) He is like a a black lab chihuahua. (1:01:27) He likes he
Scott Benner (1:01:28) likes Wait. (1:01:28) Hold on. (1:01:29) He almost made me curse. (1:01:30) No. (1:01:31) He's not.
Scott Benner (1:01:31) Is he really?
Stephanie (1:01:32) He is really. (1:01:33) He looks like a miniature. (1:01:34) Wait.
Scott Benner (1:01:35) Trey, do you guys cursed at the house?
Trey (1:01:37) Yes.
Scott Benner (1:01:38) Yeah. (1:01:38) I because I was like, get the fuck out of here. (1:01:40) You don't have a black lab chihuahua. (1:01:42) Do you really?
Trey (1:01:43) Yes. (1:01:44) Yes. (1:01:44) We do.
Scott Benner (1:01:44) Hold on a second. (1:01:46) Black lab.
Trey (1:01:46) He's like a miniature black lab and, he's a mama's boy. (1:01:50) So you could
Scott Benner (1:01:52) Oh, wait. (1:01:52) These are adorable dogs.
Trey (1:01:54) Lou Louie will grab that pillow and start you know what sharks do when they grab onto something they're eating? (1:01:59) They, like, shake their heads around and try to rip it off.
Scott Benner (1:02:01) Sure. (1:02:01) I saw a shark wave.
Trey (1:02:02) And that's what Louie does.
Scott Benner (1:02:03) Are these called labra hoohos?
Stephanie (1:02:06) I don't know what to call him. (1:02:07) We we we say that he's a little bit Too astral. (1:02:10) Avidors. (1:02:10) Chewabadors.
Scott Benner (1:02:11) You're just making these words up as are the people on the Internet, but there's a lot of people making out names for these dogs on the Internet. (1:02:17) I've got cha oh my god. (1:02:19) Chewabadors. (1:02:20) I've got labra hooahua. (1:02:22) What the hell is wrong with everybody?
Trey (1:02:37) The sound of a nuclear bomb going off.
Scott Benner (1:02:41) Wait a minute. (1:02:41) You've heard a nuclear bomb go off?
Trey (1:02:44) He scream he he barks at people, and it is so unreasonably loud.
Scott Benner (1:02:48) Oh, okay. (1:02:49) You misspoke. (1:02:49) You said he he he okay. (1:02:51) I got it.
Trey (1:02:52) Screams louder than any
Scott Benner (1:02:53) Then you're imagining a neutron bomb would make that same noise.
Trey (1:02:58) It would be quieter than Louis.
Scott Benner (1:03:00) I hear what you're saying. (1:03:01) Hey. (1:03:01) You know what? (1:03:01) Isn't it interesting, Trey, that we're okay with people taking dogs and mixing them together to make certain outcomes, but we don't do that with people. (1:03:08) It's weird.
Scott Benner (1:03:09) Right?
Trey (1:03:09) Don't think it's legal with people.
Scott Benner (1:03:10) Legal. (1:03:11) Well, you can't make people have babies. (1:03:13) That's not what I'm saying. (1:03:14) I'm saying when people date, they don't often think, oh, me with that person mixed will end up with a nice outcome. (1:03:21) I don't think people think like that.
Scott Benner (1:03:23) You know what I mean?
Trey (1:03:24) Yes.
Scott Benner (1:03:25) I can't believe my kids aren't like a mess. (1:03:27) I'm stunned, actually. (1:03:30) I have really attractive kids. (1:03:32) I don't even know how it happened. (1:03:33) And I'm not just saying that because they're my kids.
Scott Benner (1:03:35) They're and don't go looking them up online, you weirdos. (1:03:37) Just relax and believe me. (1:03:39) Okay? (1:03:39) But and my kids are really attractive, and it freaks me out because I was worried. (1:03:43) I'm not gonna lie to you.
Scott Benner (1:03:44) Like, my wife's pretty, but, like, I I thought I was gonna ruin that mix easy. (1:03:47) You know what I mean? (1:03:49) But it didn't work out like that, Trey. (1:03:52) What do you know, buddy? (1:03:53) Alright.
Scott Benner (1:03:53) Listen. (1:03:53) I think we're done. (1:03:54) I've enjoyed this.
Trey (1:03:55) I eat tunes, though.
Scott Benner (1:03:56) Woah. (1:03:57) Now we're not done. (1:03:58) What'd you just say?
Trey (1:03:59) What what do I eat tunes,
Scott Benner (1:04:02) Do you swallow it?
Stephanie (1:04:04) Yes. (1:04:05) Trey. (1:04:06) We're gonna have to have words later.
Scott Benner (1:04:07) Hold on a second. (1:04:08) Do you have low iron? (1:04:09) Wait a minute. (1:04:09) This could be a medical thing.
Trey (1:04:11) No. (1:04:11) I just like it. (1:04:12) It tastes good.
Scott Benner (1:04:13) Okay. (1:04:13) Hold on a second. (1:04:14) First of all, now you're gonna get stuck seeing a mental health counselor. (1:04:17) I hope you're happy you opened your mouth. (1:04:18) No.
Scott Benner (1:04:19) What does it mean when a kid eats tinfoil? (1:04:26) Get ready for this. (1:04:27) Trey, you're not gonna like this. (1:04:29) There's a medical word for it. (1:04:30) It's called pica.
Stephanie (1:04:32) It is pica.
Scott Benner (1:04:33) Yeah. (1:04:33) Toddlers, with new nutrient nutrient nutrition deficiency, iron, or zinc, sensory behavioral reasons. (1:04:42) Some kids like the crinkle, the shine, or the feel. (1:04:45) It's more common in kids with autism, ADHD, developmental delays, or high stress anxiety.
Stephanie (1:04:50) I think
Trey (1:04:50) I have ADHD. (1:04:51) I probably do. (1:04:52) I don't know.
Scott Benner (1:04:52) Okay. (1:04:53) Also, is not good for you. (1:04:54) It can choke you, cut make cuts in your mouth, block your GI system. (1:04:58) It could get it could get caught in your pooper. (1:05:00) It could also be vomited back up, cause belly pain, constipation.
Scott Benner (1:05:04) How often do you do this?
Trey (1:05:05) Not often.
Scott Benner (1:05:06) When's the last time you did it?
Trey (1:05:07) Two weeks ago.
Scott Benner (1:05:08) Alright. (1:05:09) Well, now we know what you guys are gonna be talking about when we say goodbye on the podcast.
Stephanie (1:05:13) Right?
Scott Benner (1:05:14) Awesome. (1:05:14) Hey. (1:05:14) Is there anything else you wanna, admit to your mom while we're here? (1:05:18) Seems like this thing is truth serum for you.
Stephanie (1:05:21) Here, I thought he was gonna talk about how he manages his diabetes on the field more, but, you know
Scott Benner (1:05:26) No. (1:05:26) No. (1:05:26) Talk
Stephanie (1:05:26) about aluminum foil instead.
Scott Benner (1:05:28) No. (1:05:29) Aluminum foil and how bad your eggs are. (1:05:31) That's pretty much what I got out of this one. (1:05:33) Is it possible he's anemic?
Stephanie (1:05:35) I don't think so. (1:05:37) Wait. (1:05:37) What what word?
Scott Benner (1:05:38) Anemic. (1:05:39) Like, your iron is low and your blood. (1:05:41) Wouldn't yeah. (1:05:41) You wouldn't know what that is.
Trey (1:05:42) I have a friend with an iron deficiency.
Scott Benner (1:05:44) Yeah. (1:05:45) He might have one too. (1:05:46) That's a great play on this one. (1:05:47) Oh, wow.
Stephanie (1:05:48) There isn't iron in aluminum though.
Scott Benner (1:05:50) Can I tell you something? (1:05:52) No. (1:05:52) No. (1:05:52) But, it doesn't matter. (1:05:54) That's what it says here, that people who find it it's selfie and that have a iron or zinc can have iron or zinc issues.
Scott Benner (1:06:02) I have to say something, Stephanie. (1:06:03) And first of all, Trey, thank you for being honest. (1:06:05) Your mom's gonna be very kind to you when we get done here, and she's gonna try to help you. (1:06:08) Okay? (1:06:09) But, Stephanie, I have to say in, 1,700 episodes, that's gonna stick with me as one of the more out of left field answers somebody's ever given me or things that have said.
Scott Benner (1:06:20) Because I I often say, like, I can't like, it always, like, strikes me what people say, but only some things stick with me. (1:06:26) And you know what they are because I repeat them over and over again. (1:06:29) Like, one girl was diagnosed on a heroin bender. (1:06:32) That really stuck with me. (1:06:34) Like, there's, like Yeah.
Scott Benner (1:06:35) Yeah. (1:06:35) Like and I I maybe heard that means years and years ago. (1:06:38) I once asked a girl what her diet was like, and she said Jack and Coke, but she didn't mean the mixed drinks. (1:06:45) And and that stuck with me. (1:06:48) And this is gonna I feel like I'm gonna remember this.
Scott Benner (1:06:52) Trey, thank you. (1:06:54) I appreciate I appreciate your honesty today.
Stephanie (1:06:57) My children are memorable. (1:06:58) Yes. (1:06:58) Oh
Scott Benner (1:06:58) my god, Stephanie. (1:06:59) This is awesome. (1:07:00) Thank you for doing this with me. (1:07:02) Right now, Stephanie's like
Trey (1:07:03) Runny eggs is the new podcast title.
Scott Benner (1:07:05) Can I just ask him to delete this? (1:07:08) That's what your mom's thinking right now. (1:07:10) And, no, Stephanie, you can't. (1:07:11) I'm sorry. (1:07:11) It's too late.
Stephanie (1:07:11) That's okay.
Scott Benner (1:07:12) You guys are awesome. (1:07:13) Hold on one second for me. (1:07:14) Okay?
Stephanie (1:07:15) Uh-huh.
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