#1855 Murder at the Subway
Thirty-two-year type 1 veteran Lars discusses his screening trial diagnosis in New Zealand , moving to Canada , and why current transplant trials shouldn't be called a cure yet.
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Key Takeaways
- Early Screening Benefits: Lars’s type 1 diabetes was caught before the onset of clinical symptoms through an early 1990s pediatric antibody screening trial in New Zealand led by Professor Bob Elliott.
- Retinopathy Remission: Proactive management, a stable A1C (currently 5.9), and targeted anti-VEGF eye injections successfully stopped the progression of Lars's diabetic retinopathy, leaving him treatment-free for over 18 months.
- Altitude & Hypoglycemia Awareness: Moving to a significantly higher elevation (such as Calgary, Canada) can temporarily blunt or mask typical physiological low blood sugar warning signs, requiring heightened vigilance and device reliance during acclimatization.
- The Clickbait Clinical Reality: Lars shares a grounded perspective on modern stem cell and islet transplant trials, cautioning against media clickbait that labels functional management alternatives as a full "cure" while anti-rejection therapies remain necessary.
- Community Mentorship: Navigating more than three decades of type 1 diabetes across multiple continents highlights the value of long-term veterans volunteering in peer support spaces to guide newly diagnosed families.
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Scott Benner Hello, friends, and welcome back to another episode of the Juice Box podcast.
Lars Hi. My name's Lars. I'm a type one diabetic, have been for about thirty two years.
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A Unique Diagnosis: The New Zealand Screening Trials
Lars Hi. My name is Lars. I'm a type one diabetic, have been for about thirty two years.
Scott Benner How old are you, Lars?
Lars I'm 45 this year.
Scott Benner 45. You were 13 when you were diagnosed?
Lars Yes.
Scott Benner Okay. And...
Lars But I bet you all the money in the world, you've never heard my diagnosis story.
Scott Benner Oh, I can't wait to find out. I just wanted to find out real quickly. Are you married? Do you have kids? Are you single? What's your...
Lars I'm married, and I have a daughter.
Scott Benner How old?
Lars She's 17.
Scott Benner Oh my gosh. Look at you. Alright. Well, what do you mean? What happened? Don't you feel like it's possible I've heard every version of someone's diagnosis story?
Lars Potentially. I mean, you've been doing this for a while, so potentially. But my one is very different.
Scott Benner Alright. Surprise me. Let's do it.
Lars So in the early nineties, a famous professor in New Zealand, he was knighted as well, he pioneered and it's actually relevant to to trials going on now. He pioneered use of encapsulated pig islet cells. Okay. So way back in the early nineties and stuff, and so he got approval in New Zealand, which is where I'm from originally, to test all the five year olds in the country at the time for islet cell antibodies. So with 10 being a borderline count, and obviously the ethics said if there were any one of the five year olds had, like, a count of 10, then they would test the entire family. Mom and dad got tested. There's was, like, one or two, which was normal, so they weren't worried about but my count came back at, like, 324.
Scott Benner Oh, okay. 10 being borderline. Wait. What was the doctor's name?
Lars Professor Bob Elliott.
Scott Benner Bob Elliott. Okay. Yes. And his idea...
Lars So he was trying to see if a form of vitamin d, pretty sure it was vitamin d, called nicotinamide, would hold off the onset of developing type one diabetes.
Scott Benner Okay. So he wanted to test everybody, get a baseline, and on top of that, hit some kids with vitamin d if they had certain markers?
Lars Yes. An islet cell count. And so because my sister was 10, which was the borderline, I'm not sure how they worked that out, but they did. And so mine they pulled me in to test me. My islet cell antibody count came up at 324 or something insanely large. Okay. So they started me off with these nicotinamide tablets, literally horse tranquilizer pills, twice the size of a Tylenol. And so I I was nine, nine and a half, trying to swallow these, so I had to learn to swallow these huge tablets. And then part of the trial was I went in for a yearly glucose tolerance test. I was fine for the first two and a half, three years going into my first year of high school because obviously schooling's a bit different to in New Zealand to North America. And about April, just before Easter, so great time. And they got the results back for the glucose tolerance test, called me in, and gave me Protivane and Actrapid or whatever. Yeah. I think that's what it was. And he said, you're diabetic now.
Scott Benner Did they think that the vitamin d had any impact on it? Like, do you know what the result of his study was?
Lars They think it held the onset off for about three and a half years. No kidding. Yeah. The last I heard, there was still some people who and this was about ten to fifteen years ago who were still taking it and hadn't developed it. So there's something in that vitamin d combination that looks like it held it off, but yeah. Sorry.
Scott Benner No kidding. If it worked for you, it worked for you for about three years. And then how old were you when you were finally diagnosed? 13.
Lars A month into my first year at high school, so I was yeah, 13 or 14. Did it come on very quickly when it came on, or was it slow?
Lars I had no symptoms. Nothing. I just went in for the yearly glucose tolerance test Oh, I did as part of the research, and they diagnosed me that way.
Scott Benner Oh, wow.
Lars Obviously, my glucose tolerance was very bad, so it's like, here you go. Here's your insulin. You're diabetic now. And by that time, my parents and sisters had dropped off to zero. So I was the lucky one, and none of the rest of my family have it either. So...
Scott Benner Here's what I was able to find online. For type one diabetes risk and prevention, the overall evidence has been weak or inconsistent. 2021 Mendelian randomized study found that lower vitamin d levels did not appear to have a substantial impact on type one diabetes risk in population study, which argues against the vitamin d being a major cause lever. Yeah. I don't know. There's a lot here about it. If people are interested in reading, like you know, if you could look into into Bob Elliott's work, he passed away a few years ago, it looks like.
Lars In 2020. Yes. My gosh. And did your sister ever end up getting diabetes? Nope. I'm the only one in my entire family. The lucky one.
Growing Up in the 1990s & The Subway Video
Scott Benner Do you have any other autoimmune issues?
Lars Thyroid.
Scott Benner Hypo? Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
Lars My mom had her thyroid, so she had a she took the other one. So she had the...
Scott Benner Your mom was hyper? Yes. Bulging eyes, goiter, stuff like that?
Lars No. Not quite that bad. She was on the medication. But...
Scott Benner Okay. I'm sorry. When you were diagnosed, you were in New Zealand at that point still?
Lars Yes, I was.
Scott Benner What was it like growing up there with it?
Lars I mean, it was in nineties, so we didn't have all the great insulins we have now and no pumps or anything. So I was different, obviously, and you don't want to be different as a teenager starting your first year of high school. Right? So but I had a pretty I suppose you can call it normal teenage life. Like, I just had friends and everything, still played sports Mhmm. Everything. So...
Scott Benner Nothing remarkable to you about growing up with it?
Lars No. Okay. Not really. I do have a video of me having a bad low when I worked at the subway though, which is a public video on YouTube. If you ever wanna have a look at that.
Scott Benner You made a video when you were really low?
Lars Yeah. So the security camera in the subway recorded me having a quite a bad low, and I'm literally throwing the knife around and almost cutting the person working next to me. But...
Scott Benner Well, how old were you when that happened?
Lars That would have been in my twenties.
Scott Benner In your twenties. Were you working there or no?
Lars I was working there. Yes.
Scott Benner Okay. And you just kinda got really low at did you feel it coming on? Do you remember?
Lars No. I didn't. Not at that stage.
Scott Benner No CGMs back then for you?
Lars No. No CGMs.
Scott Benner How about now?
Lars Yes. Omnipod dash and, g six.
Scott Benner Have you come close to knifing anybody since then?
Lars No. No. Why did you have a knife, Lars?
Lars Because I was making someone sabotage in the subway.
Scott Benner Oh, you were you were it didn't have mayonnaise on...
Lars No. I was I I was just cutting the bread and you've obviously been to Subway, you see how bad the bread is and their sandwiches. It was like quarter of the size.
Scott Benner I wanna admit to being confused for a second. I thought you were working down in the Subway, and then I imagined you and then I thought, is there a subway in New Zealand? That was gonna be my next step. And then I heard about the sandwich, I started picking through a little more. So you were literally making a subway sandwich for somebody when it happened.
Lars Yes. You had that little...
Lars That's correct.
Scott Benner Knife with that little flexible blade they used to cut the bread with. Yep. That's the wrong knife to cut bread, by the way. I don't I never understood why they have those at Subway.
Lars I don't know.
Scott Benner Is it true, Lars, that all of the meat is the same? It's just flavored differently, and they call it different stuff.
Lars I don't know about here. I haven't heard that, but I do know that it was actual ham and turkey.
Scott Benner Well, that's good to hear. I wanna say I have no actual knowledge of that. It's just a story that I used to hear going around that it was all kind of the same, like, meat like based thing that was flavored differently. But I'm glad to hear it wasn't. How did you get the video?
Lars I asked for it because I've never seen myself have a low before. So and the bosses were nice and said, yeah. Sure. And grabbed it for me.
Scott Benner What was it like to see yourself like that?
Lars It was interesting because obviously, I'd never seen it because you don't see yourself going low as a diabetic. Right? You just have the low and then other people see it. So...
Scott Benner Did it make you manage any differently? Did it make you be more careful or look into different technology or anything?
Lars No. No. Yeah. Like Because in New Zealand, we were limited to the government funded for most of the medications, but obviously a small population, not everything can be funded.
Scott Benner So Okay. So you get what you get. Do you know what your a one c's and your outcomes were like growing up with diabetes?
Lars They were in the sevens and eights. Okay. And what was your expectation for yourself? Was that what they were telling you to do?
Lars Yeah. I mean, obviously, we can't we can monitor it as well as we can now. So I tried the best I could because the insulin, it was like the Protovane, which was, what, six hours as the long acting Mhmm. Which isn't really a long acting, but that's all we could get, really. And so and then the Actrapid, both made by Novo. And so it was, like, really, as best as you could do without wanting to test, like, 25 times a day. Yeah. But, obviously, you don't want I had dozen team. You don't wanna prick your finger and do any of that, so I tried my best.
Scott Benner Sounds like you did alright, actually.
Lars Yeah. Were you low a lot or not really?
Lars No. Not really. That's awesome. Do you feel lucky when you look back on it?
Lars Well, considering the couple of lows I've had since I moved to Canada, yeah, I'm surprised I didn't have anything worse.
Moving to Canada: Elevation Changes and a Stolen Phone
Scott Benner Okay. How long have you been in Canada?
Lars Since 2014, so twelve years. Twelve years. And did your management change when you got to Canada because the coverage changed, or did you stay with what you were doing?
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Lars It did change because, obviously, I was able to access more and better stuff, but I had a couple of issues moving here, like, a month after moving here, June. I was looking for work, was at one of the LRT stations, like the light rail transit stations in Calgary, and hadn't acclimatized because, obviously, Calgary's a bit higher elevation than all of New Zealand pretty much, or where I lived in New Zealand anyway at sea level. So when I moved, I hadn't acclimatized yet and didn't recognize I was going low because of the higher elevation and had a bad low that EMS had to be called by someone else for, and someone stole my phone because it spilled out of my hand. So...
Scott Benner Can you imagine seeing somebody having a seizure and stealing their phone? With that happening, can I thought Canadians were nice? No?
Lars I did too.
Scott Benner What had you moved there? Was it for a lady?
Lars For my daughter. She moved with her mom.
Scott Benner Oh, okay. And you followed along?
Lars Yes.
Scott Benner Okay. I see. So you kinda wanted to be closer to her. Wanted to old. I see. So you're divorced?
Lars No. We weren't. Never married to begin with. I gotcha. No. Well, look at you being a good dad. Yeah. Did how did that work out for you, like, in hindsight? Obviously, following your daughter, I imagine, was great, but leaving a country where you grew up and going somewhere else, was it a a reasonable experience?
Lars Yeah. It was it was fine. I mean, I didn't know what to expect. I'd visited once, and it seemed nice. But I moved knowing literally nobody apart from my daughter and her mom, and obviously, we're together at that stage with her mum. But and then I navigated my way round, found an endo, found how to get the insulin, because obviously I could only bring a certain amount, and then went to went on bitter insulin than I had in New Zealand, like, Lantus, and then moved to the pump, the Omnipod. And so...
Scott Benner I'm gonna find out more about that in a second, but I wanna go back to this before it becomes too late. Sure. I I did a little more research about Bob Elliott because I didn't wanna leave anybody with I mean, it's a long time ago, but still wanted it to be clear. So, like, a simple breakdown was that Bob noticed that type one diabetes rates were different in different places and populations, and he started asking what changed in the environment. One idea he had was sunlight vitamin d or maybe kids getting less sun made the immune system more likely to misfire and attack the insulin making cells. But even people close to the work later described vitamin d as, at best, a possible contributing factor, not a full explanation. From there, Elliott's attention seemed to have shifted more towards diet, especially cow's milk exposure, and later the a one beta casein hypothesis. The rough logic there was if migration or lifestyle change raise type one risk, maybe something newly introduced in the diet was part of the trigger. That line of thinking became much more associated with him than the vitamin d did. So his idea really wasn't that vitamin d kinda cures type one diabetes, like, in quotes. You know? It was more like maybe environmental triggers made susceptible kids and vitamin d deficiencies might be a clue. Then as he kept digging, he seems to have concluded that diet was a stronger lead than vitamin d alone. A look back from today, that's about where the evidence still leaves that vitamin d is biologically interesting, but it never turned into a clean, proven explanation for why type one happens. So it sounds like he had some theories, and perfectly honest, like, none of them panned out. But it caught your diabetes early enough that you do not have go into DKA or get sick or anything like that.
Lars That's correct. Yeah. But he was also I don't know if you wanna look up the diabetes cell. So it was, encapsulated pig islet cells that were transplanted.
Scott Benner He got involved in that at some point?
Lars Yeah. He pioneered the use of that.
Scott Benner Wow. Something about that popped up. It says here he was major figure in child health and diabetes related research in New Zealand helped found what became Cure Kids and was associated with the work. Yeah. That's interesting. Oh, wow. Look at that. Lifetime of effort. Hopefully, helps somebody.
Lars Yeah. Hopefully. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. When do you switch your management from sorry. Give me the rough date from shots to a pump.
Lars In about what are we about 2015. Okay. About ten years ago. Big difference for you? Yes. Tell me about the experience.
Lars Well, I mean, I the pumps are funded in Alberta, so I'm it was like, cool. I've by this time, I'd met my now wife. I'm I had a low where she had to call EMS, and I just woke up to two ambulance officers standing over me in bed. Those are always the fun ones, aren't they? And then she said, have you ever considered a pump? I hadn't. I'd heard about them. I thought I was managing it okay without one, but I said, yeah. Okay. Let's have a look. So I applied to the Alberta pump program, and we actually went through and did it got approved. And at that stage, was the Eros, not the Omnipod before the dash. Yeah. And because I'd heard horror stories about people pulling their tubing out of their pumps, and I didn't wanna deal with that because I was working and working with computers. I didn't wanna be under a desk and accidentally catch something That sort of thing. So it's like, I'll just go on Omnipod, it'll be fine. And it has been my a one c's come down. My last one was actually 5.9.
Reviewing the Subway Video & Public Advocacy
Scott Benner Wow. Good for you. Congratulations. They didn't let you be around knives anymore after the last incident you had to switch shops?
Lars No. I mean, I that was a temporary role just to...
Scott Benner I imagine. Did your wife let you use the knife in the house? Have you ever showed her the video?
Lars I have. Yes. So it's a public video on YouTube. So, I mean, if anyone wants to see it, they can look for Diabetic Goes Low at Subway.
Scott Benner How many views does it have?
Lars Well, we've we've got it posted from two different channels, so it's got about it's got a couple of 100 views, but, I mean, it could have a few more now. So Diabetic goes low at Subway. Is that what it's called?
Lars Yeah. I shared the link in the chat here if that's easier for you.
Scott Benner Let me see.
Lars There's no sound. So if you ask because there was no sound and the security cameras are there.
Scott Benner I see it here. I'm gonna watch. I'm just gonna watch it. Alright. So there's a guy in a blue shirt. Looks like...
Lars I'm the one in the black behind the counter.
Scott Benner Yep. You're behind the counters. But alright. Lars is putting on his plastic, those little plastic terrible gloves that Subway gives to people. I don't know why they can't have a better glove than that. He's got his hands up. He's fighting with the gloves a little bit. It looks like you've never seen plastic gloves before in your entire life. There's a girl working with you. She's reaching in. Looks like she's getting the sandwich ready too. She's pulling the meat out. I guess you're supposed to get the bread. This is interesting. It's in like stop like a little bit of stop motiony. Yeah. Like it moves and clicks and clicks. And okay. Here comes the bread. Lars is pointing the tray out, picks a loaf.
Scott Benner Oh, he's going for the little wobbly he got the paper down, the loaf's on top. He's got the little wobbly knife, fixes his glove one more time, starts the weird cutting process they must teach you in subway school about how to cut bread. That's gotta be two days worth of training, I would imagine. You're picking at it. Okay. Your arm's flailing a little bit. There's another woman coming into the oh my gosh. Yeah. It's hard to imagine. It's hard to like, the guy you're trying to help is laughing a little.
Lars He's a regular customer. So...
Scott Benner Did he think you were screwing around, I wonder?
Lars He didn't realize.
Scott Benner Your arms get weird to scarecrow you over your head a couple of times. Yep. I do. Like, you reach in a really strange if you told me I was watching a video of somebody with CP trying to cut bread, like, I would probably believe that. Like, you are fumbling with this thing. Like right now, you kinda, like, stop for a second. You're you're grabbing the counter, and the girl tries to help you. You're on the floor now. Okay. Now the people who are being helped are like, oh my god. Why didn't I go to Burger King? And they're they're wait. What's going on? Does she keep making the sandwich?
Lars Customer asked for a new piece of bread, and then the girl who pulled me away made him a fresh sandwich.
Scott Benner But what was happening to you at that point?
Lars I was in the back drinking pop.
Scott Benner Oh, okay. You weren't having a seizure or anything like that?
Lars No. I was still loose a dish. Enough to drink a soda anyway. So That was insane. I mean, that was that was really interesting. Oh my gosh. That girl must be super successful somewhere right now. She's like she watched, like, the craziest thing happen in front of her. She's like, listen. Let me, like, cut up another roll and keep this thing moving. She went right back to it. I was lost. Do you know her Do you remember her name?
Lars No. I don't. It was as you can see from the time, it was a few years ago now. Yeah. A of date in the bottom corner. So...
Scott Benner Yeah. No. It look I mean, it looks like it could have been twenty years ago. Right? Okay. So what makes you come on the podcast? What interests you in being on?
Lars Well, I mean, I've had diabetes more than probably eighty percent of my life. So, I mean, if I can help educate people and help them with my story, why not?
Scott Benner Just wanted to add to it. When you think about things you wish people with diabetes knew, what pops to mind? Like, what do you think are universal truths of it?
Lars That's it's not the be all and the end all. You can have a pretty or a very normal life. My biggest thing is the education of non diabetics as well, because it's still, as we know, it's still misunderstood in movies and in TV series. Doctors, actors will still they're low, so give them insulin. It's like, yeah, that will kill them, but sure. Okay. Like, just the education around it where it can help people have longer fulfilled lives.
Scott Benner Do you wonder what else you're watching on TV that's not correct? Ever think of it that way? You know what I mean?
Lars Yeah. I know. A lot of it is. You know, the one thing you're aware of isn't right. I wonder what the 25 things you're not aware of or how accurate they might be. Yeah. Yeah. So why does that bother you, or or why do you feel like that's important?
Lars Because I mean, I you know, I've had some complications as of people with this condition have for thirty odd years. So I mean but if kids and people can live a pretty normal life with the technology we have now, I can help with that in any way. I want to, like, I've I work in IT, so I like helping people. It's what I do, so...
Scott Benner Yeah. Go back for a second to, like, television and movies and etcetera. Like Yep. Why does it matter if they I mean, I'm sure I have an answer too, but to you, why does it matter that it be correctly portrayed?
Lars Because it means that people will more understand, I suppose, like, diabetics will more understand that if they do see it in the real world and someone's on the ground, they don't go, oh, look for the insulin to give that to them. Like, if it's portrayed correctly, then if people need to help a diabetic in the real world, then they'll know and they may have watched the show they've got it correct, then maybe they'll know how to actually help the person correctly and not potentially...
Scott Benner Not do the opposite thing of what they need?
Lars Yes.
Scott Benner What is your experience with large with people ever getting anything right? I don't understand. What what do you think's gonna what do you think is gonna happen here? I understand what you're saying, and I I have the same feeling. So it would be great if everybody understood. I don't know that they remember the wrong thing any more than they would remember the correct thing if it was on TV.
Lars No. I know. Yeah. It's tough.
Scott Benner I mean, but you've uniquely have been in a situation where you've counted on a stranger to kind of know something. But did they ever? I mean, the girl yanked you away from the thing, but she she abandoned you pretty quickly. If she understood diabetes, she would have went in the back with you, don't you think?
Lars I think there was someone else in the back, and the bosses had just stepped out, so they came back pretty soon after. But, like, I think I was probably in the twos bigger than millimoles, I assume, because the I was able to hold a drink enough to actually drink it myself without someone else helping.
Scott Benner Yeah. So Hey. Did you go back to work afterwards?
Lars Yeah.
Scott Benner Kept work?
Lars Once I was back up, I went straight back to work. Yeah. And then the customer the one the male customer came in, and he's saying, I asked if I was okay, and I asked what happened. So And He ate one of those sandwiches every day, that guy?
Lars Yeah. I think so. Or every second day.
Scott Benner He's on that Subway diet? Thought he could lose some weight that way? I wonder.
Lars I didn't talk to him that much, but, I mean, he was a really killer customer, so he was a nice guy. So...
Scott Benner I hope this means something to you. My daughter's friend is a a huge Subway aficionado, and she has a what I would call a rather deep relationship with the guy that makes her sandwich. Like to know them. Yeah. Yes. I feel like he'll be at her wedding one day with the way she talks about him.
Lars Well, the funny thing is you like, when you find a doctor or when you find a dentist or when you find whatever other professional and, you know, like plumber, electrician, if you find one you like, you stick with them because they make things the way you like them. So that's why they're technically called sandwich artists at Subway. They make it in a particular way, and yeah. I had regular customers who liked the way I made their sandwiches, and they didn't want anyone else but me to make them.
Fundraising and the Clinical Definition of a "Cure"
Scott Benner That makes sense, honestly. That really does really make sense. Okay. So you'd like people to be better informed in the public? Yes. What else? Do you have feelings when you see younger people coming up with diabetes or parents with newly diagnosed kids? Like, do you ever have things where you wanna just kinda say, oh, gosh. I wish you knew this?
Lars Yeah. And, I mean, Diabetes Canada's doing a modelling event across the country at the moment. And so from Halifax through to Vancouver, numerous cities in between, and so we're getting to walk down a runway and model our pumps and everything, which is a pretty cool idea. And there's kids from, like, three up to I think, yesterday, we had a like, last year, sorry, we had an 80 year old who was modeling.
Scott Benner Have you been a part of this?
Lars This week, the third year I've done it.
Scott Benner beggars code. Okay. So you just, like, walk a runway at an event? Yes. Yeah. And what kind of crowd is there? Supporters, or do they find a way to get uninitiated in there? How do they do that?
Lars But we find like, we I know there's a couple of people who are like, we didn't have people who like, volunteers who will do, like, the introductions and highs and everything. A lot of people are friends and family of the models themselves. Mhmm. But, like, the tickets are open to anyone who wants to purchase them. So and it's not just in Calgary where I am. It's in, like, Vancouver, Toronto, Halifax, Saskatchewan.
Scott Benner So a fundraiser? Yeah.
Lars It's a fundraiser.
Scott Benner Right. Right.
Lars And the idea behind it is to send kids to diabetes camps, which means that that gives the parents a break and often helps to give the kids a bit more independence, often give the first shot or the first basal bolus themselves.
Scott Benner Meet other people with diabetes. What keeps you involved? Like, you don't have kids with diabetes, so what keeps you involved at this later age? Why do you feel like supporting this is valuable?
Lars Well, I mean, I've had it for thirty years. If I can be, like, an older person and be taken newly diagnosed people can ask me questions, I'm always happy to because I've seen multiple pretty much all the more recent technology anyway, like, physical needles through to the insulin pump. So the technology has advanced us a lot more. I wish I had kind of had the insulin pump and CGM back when I was diagnosed. Blood sugar probably would have been better then, but we probably couldn't have miniaturized enough to be able to do it back in the nineties.
Scott Benner So You said you have some complications now. What are they?
Lars I've had a couple of issues with my eyes, so blood vessels in my eyes and that sort of stuff.
Scott Benner So Have you had had any treatment to it?
Lars Yep. Injections in the eyes. The worst the worst needle ever. Like, I hated those because they don't they don't knock you out. They freeze your eyeball and then jab a needle in the eyeball while you're awake. So all you see is this thing and your peripheral vision coming into your eyeball. It's not fun.
Scott Benner How many times did you have to have the the injection?
Lars I've had it about five or six times.
Scott Benner Did it work?
Lars Yes.
Scott Benner So a reversal of your problem, or, did it just stop it?
Lars It stopped it. Yeah. And since my blood sugar and my a one c's come down to a pretty much nondiabetic a one c now, it's, means that I haven't needed anything for the last, like, eighteen months.
Scott Benner Is it just the technology that helped, or have you been able to use, like, a lifetime of experience to apply it on the top of the technology?
Lars I think it's a lifetime of experience, but it's also like, being able to see your blood sugar in real time or close enough to real time anyway on a phone or a mobile device. It means that you can go, okay. This is what my blood sugar is doing. I'm fine for now.
Scott Benner Help you plan better being able to see us, I would imagine. Right? Yep. And you're using Omnipod five now though?
Lars No. I'm still using the Dash.
Scott Benner You're still using the Dash. You're making your own decisions, making changes and everything. How did you find the podcast?
Lars I've heard about it. I'm in a group. I try and give people education from my experience, and someone said, oh, you should apply to be on the podcast.
Scott Benner But Okay. Where were you telling it that somebody saw that?
Lars On Facebook or somewhere.
Scott Benner Do you know what Facebook group?
Lars I've been in so many diabetes ones. I don't remember, to be honest.
Scott Benner Are you in mine?
Lars I'm sorry.
Scott Benner Don't be sorry. Are you in my group?
Lars The Juice Box podcast? Yeah. Yes.
Scott Benner You are. Okay. Yes.
Scott Benner So you find Facebook pretty valuable then?
Lars Yes.
Scott Benner Okay. Tell me about that. Why are you in so many different Facebook groups, and what is that doing for you?
Lars Well, it helps me like, if people have questions who are newly diagnosed and I have some experience what they're dealing with, which usually I do, it means that I can provide a bit more experience for them and help them succeed with their control and learning how to be a diabetic looking after themselves with this condition that we all have as diabetics.
Scott Benner Did you have anybody helping you when you were growing up with it?
Lars Mom and dad, kind of. I mean, because I was 13, I pretty much made all the decisions. Mum and dad, obviously, we started to carb count and everything. But after a few years, I once I left high school, I pretty much just did it all myself.
Scott Benner On your own? So if you were having, a seven or eight a one c, back then, that was considered reasonable and good. Right? Like, people would tell you you're doing a good job. Right? Yes. At what point does it become obvious to you that better is is it tied to the technology? Like, does the idea that your a one c could be lower or more stable not arrive in the world until the technology arrives? Was there ever anyone telling you, I know we're just injecting here and this and this, but, you know, you could, I don't know, change your diet or increase your exercise or, you know, give yourself more insulin. Does any of that ever get spoken about?
Lars It does a bit. Yeah. It's just because I mean, there's only so much you can do with some of the older insulins because, obviously, of the length of time they last. They're still running around in your body, delivering the insulin as they need to, but, I mean, it's it was a lot more difficult to actually get good control because we what was it? The ACTRAPID started working, I think it was within half an hour, it was gone within six. I found it difficult anyway to actually work out a good way of managing it because of that. Right? So it proved difficult. And no no CGM, so you didn't know what your blood sugar was doing unless you've done a finger prick. And so it's like, well and I didn't want to be doing that, like trying to learn at school. I don't wanna look different. People knew I was, but didn't wanna be different, so I just tried to do my best so I could without being too different as a teen, so...
Scott Benner What do you think would have changed most drastically about your upbringing if all that technology existed twenty years ago?
Lars I would probably manage it a bit better and be able to keep it more stable, the big high and low swings, which I'm sure I had. I just didn't know I had them because I didn't have a CGM to see them. Right? So...
Scenery, New Zealand Biology, and Living Options
Scott Benner Does it freak you out that lizards that are running all over New Zealand are commonly kept pets in America and other places?
Lars What do you mean, Lizardans?
Scott Benner Like, bearded dragons, for example, aren't they from New Zealand?
Lars No. No.
Scott Benner Are bearded dragons not from New Zealand? Or what about blue tongue skink? Not also not from New Zealand?
Lars I don't know about the blue tongue skink. I know there are skinks in New Zealand, like native ones. Yeah. But remember, New Zealand split off from Gondwanaland so early that both of the birds have gone, okay. There's no predators. Cool. We'll just stop flying.
Scott Benner What kind of pets did you have growing up? Did you have anything?
Lars A cat.
Scott Benner A cat. I just always wonder, like, what it's like to go outside, see something running around in your lawn, and then look into another part of the world and see that people are, like, fanatically keeping them as pets. It would be like if I woke up one day and found out that people in New Zealand were keeping squirrels. I'd be like, that's a weird decision. They're everywhere here. But anyway, sorry. I thought I had something there. I missed. For everyone listening, I apologize. I get it wrong sometimes.
Lars It's all good. Yeah. I mean, if you want to go, New Zealand does have some very beautiful scenery and very different birds to what North America has. So like the kakapo is going which is one of the I think there's about 251 of them left in the world.
Scott Benner Really?
Lars They are going through a baby boom right now. So they don't breed every year. They only breed when a particular tree has a lot of fruit on it or berries on it, and then they produce a lot of chicks.
Scott Benner No kidding. Oh, so their production is attached to when their food is available?
Lars Yes.
Scott Benner That's very cool. I I had somebody on once, I think. I'm trying to decide if I have an episode that's named after that bird. Is that possible? I'll have to figure that out later. Okay. When you move so far from home, are your parents older at that point? How is that separating from your sister and your parents?
Lars I was in my early thirties, so my parents were a bit older than I mean, I felt I needed to be in my daughter's life, like I said, and made the decision. I knew my parents would try and talk me out of it, so I didn't tell them until after I'd booked the tickets, had the visa, had everything done and then told them.
Scott Benner Well, that's interesting. I would have made the same decision. I was just wondering how you handle it. It's a pretty far way to move. So Yes. Yeah.
Lars It is. I was confident to be able to find all the medication and the diabetes stuff I needed, so it's like, well, okay. We'll throw caution to the wind and go. So...
Scott Benner That was kind of the rest of my question there was, do you leave with enough to keep you going for a while, or do you plan ahead for how to get signed up to get medication when you get there? Like, how did you make that leap?
Lars I had no plan. I literally the only plan I had was I needed to be close to my daughter. So I lived with 23 kilos of clothes. Sorry. I can't do that conversion, my head to pounds, but that's the standard international flight.
Scott Benner Yeah. About 46, 50 pounds, something like that. Right?
Lars Yep. Yep. And that's that's pretty much all I bought to Canada. So...
Scott Benner Wow. If I asked my wife to leave this house with one suitcase full of clothing and never come back, I don't even know what would happen. We can't seem to go away for four days with one of those suitcases without it being overweight.
Lars Yeah. And then I I had enough insurance to last me I think it was about three or four months.
Scott Benner Okay. And what did you do to, like do you go to, like, an office, a doctor's office to the government? How do you get set up once you get to Canada?
Lars Pretty much had the idea about moving well, at least a year and a half before I actually did. And by that time, I met some Facebook groups and Canadians who were actually able to give me a bit of advice on how to find a doctor and that sort of thing. And so I followed their advice, actually found one, and then I got referred to an endocrinologist and was able to get all the medication.
Scott Benner Isn't that terrific? Seriously, the Internet and being able to just reach out to a group of people and say, I need help. I don't know what to do. Get some advice and pick through it then and and make a decision. It's really fantastic.
Lars Yeah. Hold on a second.
Scott Benner It is. Excuse me. Sorry. Came up here without my drink today. Messing me up. How are we doing? What were your expectations like for this, and how do you feel like this is going so far? And, you know, are we missing anything?
Lars I don't think we're missing anything. I mean, I I've come out of my shell a bit more since moving here, so I've been able to I was probably very introverted in New Zealand since I moved here. I've become a lot more extroverted and well, hence, doing the modeling. I've spoken at a conference, which I never thought I'd do back in New Zealand. So, I mean, I have no issues with how we're doing. So...
Scott Benner Good. Good. What do you think just the experience of being out on your own kinda opened you up?
Lars And and the support from my wife.
Scott Benner Yeah. Since you've been and how long have you been married?
Lars Ten years.
Scott Benner Ten years. Okay. And just the one child from the previous relationship?
Lars Yes.
Scott Benner Do you worry about your child getting diabetes?
Lars No. She hasn't had any any potential symptoms or anything. Like, I do a little bit in the back of my mind, but, I mean, I'm literally the only one in my family. No cousins, no aunts, uncles, and I have a big family. I've probably got probably 30 cousins on both mom and dad's side. So...
Scott Benner Yeah. How about that thyroid thing? Is that a problem throughout your family?
Lars No.
Scott Benner No. Just you and your mom? Yes. Do you have symptoms from that, or do you feel like that's pretty well managed?
Lars I feel it's pretty well managed. I'm under the lowest possible dose I can be. So...
Scott Benner Do you ever have, like, brittle nails, lose hair, uneven temper?
Lars A little bit of an uneven temper sometimes. But...
Scott Benner Do you know what your TSH level is when they test your thyroid?
Lars The last one, I just got it done with my a one c. It was well within the normal range.
Scott Benner Do you know what that means though for the number? Because the range is pretty wide. That's why I asked.
Lars I think it was, like, four or something. I'd have to look up the range.
Scott Benner In your own time, obviously, I'm not asking you to do it now. I would tell you to check out episode four thirteen of the podcast, and then see if maybe you don't wish that maybe somebody could manage that number under two.
Lars Two seems low.
Scott Benner Why is that? What do you know about that?
Lars Well, I mean and, yes, I don't know how it is in The US, but I think here in Canada, I think two would be too low. So...
Scott Benner I would ask you to listen to episode four thirteen and see if you didn't change your mind about that.
Lars Okay.
Scott Benner Yeah. So to go over it just briefly, the scale goes from, like, zero to 10 on the the testing, and the green part, you know, is pretty far in the middle. I would tell you that if you have symptoms of hypothyroidism, you know, or any kind of impacts from it and your TSH is above two, it probably indicates that you could use a little more medication. I can pull up a couple of symptoms for you. See if you have any of them. So we went over a couple a second ago, but I'm just gonna go through a list so I don't miss anything. So I'm clicking on stuff. Alright. Tired or low energy?
Lars Yeah. Sometimes.
Scott Benner Feeling cold more than usual? No. Weight gain? No. Dry skin?
Scott Benner Sometimes. Constipation? No pooping? No. Nope.
Scott Benner Hair thinning or hair loss?
Lars Not that I've noticed. So...
Scott Benner You'd see it in the drain. Depression or low mood?
Lars Maybe sometimes. But then, I mean, well, you're dealing with diabetes, so that's kind of common, isn't it? So...
Scott Benner Yeah. Slower thinking, memory trouble, brain fog?
Lars Sometimes, I think.
Scott Benner Muscle aches, weakness, joint stiffness?
Lars No. I don't think so.
Scott Benner You ever have heavy or irregular periods? I'm just kidding, Lars. But no. There's others. Listen. What I would tell you is I talk to a lot of people. And if you're having a few of those symptoms, I would tell you to consider a four TSH as being too high. And then go ahead and take a look at what might happen if they just put that dose up a tiny bit, got you down a little lower.
Lars Sorry. Okay. I was completely wrong.
Scott Benner Okay.
Lars Mine's point eight four.
Scott Benner Oh, Jesus. Well, then we just wasted a lot of time. Yours is fine. You're just a little large. That's okay.
Lars Yeah. I'm...
Scott Benner Sorry. No different than anybody else. So that's fine. Don't be sorry. I'm glad you looked.
Lars Yeah. Well, it's awesome. Well, then well, still other people listening might have heard and and gotten the idea. What do you look forward to with diabetes management? Are you looking forward to trying an algorithm or anything of the sort?
Lars Well, I'm excited about the, like, the stem and islet cell transplant trials happening at the moment. I think they're being and this is just my personal opinion, obviously. I think calling them a queer is too soon to do that Mhmm. Because we don't know what's gonna happen in five years. But, yeah, calling them cures too soon, and I don't think we're going to have a cure for diabetes until we know what causes it.
Scott Benner What would you consider a cure to be? Like, what would the outcome have to be for you to consider yourself cured?
Lars Not have to have anything. Like, no anti rejection drugs. No...
Scott Benner Somebody finds a switch inside and shuts it off, that kind of thing. It's just over.
Lars Pretty much.
Scott Benner Yeah. But would you take the alternative? I mean, I guess you're referring to that Eladon trial right now, the one out of Chicago?
Lars Yes.
Scott Benner Yeah. And so if somebody could inject some stem cells into your liver and give you a fusion every twenty one days, you wouldn't call that cured? What would you call it?
Lars Positive.
Scott Benner Positive? Because yes. Yeah.
Lars Because, to me, it's not a cure because you're still they're still taking anti rejection drugs.
Scott Benner Okay. But you don't have type one diabetes anymore. Well, you do, but you don't have to take insulin anymore.
Lars Yes. But see, is it really a cure though? Because you're still taking the anti rejection drugs. If you stop those, what happens? Not that they're probably going to.
Scott Benner I I understand what you're saying. I'm asking you why do you care? Like, what's the difference? If you don't have to take the insulin anymore, you don't have any of the impacts of high and low blood sugars. I mean, obviously, you've traded one kind of management system for another, but, I mean, would you do it, I guess, is my question. If somebody came up to you and said, hey. Here you go. You can do it. Would you?
Lars Probably not at the moment. Not until there's been further research done.
Scott Benner Because you'd wanna see if it was okay long term. Yes. Let me say this. Pretend that it is. It works fine. It's not gonna hurt you. Blah blah blah. Would you do that? And would you consider that, like, a good outcome, or do you think you'd be irritated that you just were having to do something else?
Lars Potentially, I would do it. I mean, it would make it make life easier, obviously. Mhmm. But, I mean, right now, anyway, with the technology I have, it's pretty easy to manage for me anyway. I'm not having a huge amount of insulin.
Scott Benner Okay. It's interesting to listen to you try to pick through it in your own head because, you know, obviously, I understand what you mean by a cure. Cure would be like, snap your fingers. It doesn't exist anymore. I'm cured. That's that.
Lars Yes.
Scott Benner Alright. I don't think that's happening anytime soon either. And so Yeah. If having some cells injected into your liver and then right now it's an infusion every 21, I don't know if they'll be able to change how that works or not. I'm actually interviewing the doctor, the lead researcher on this in about a week.
Lars Okay.
Scott Benner There you go. Like, once a month, you go into a doctor's office, and they put you on an infusion. And an hour later, walk out. And there's no change. You don't get sick afterwards. You don't feel weird or anything like that. And for the next month, you just do not have to take insulin. You can eat. Everything works the way you expect it to work. And then, I don't know, five years from now, they figure out how to turn that into a an at home injection or a pill or something like that. I'm trying to figure out if that would feel positive to you.
Lars It would. Like, yeah. The whole thing is positive because it's from my way of thinking, it's probably the precursor to a full blown cure. Like, if they keep working along these lines, then I'm sure at some stage we will be able to have a cure.
Scott Benner Something else will come. You won't though. Let's just pretend you get this one and you're done. You don't get another one. So, like, I mean, is that a good way to make it through the rest of your life, do you think? 12 infusions a year, no diabetes? It's just interesting to listen to people after they've lived with it for a while because what I hear from you is that you're like, listen. It's not that big of a deal to have diabetes.
Lars Sometimes it's not. Sometimes it is. Yeah. If you have bad lows and everything. But, I mean, with the technology we have now, and yes, obviously, it's different here than it is in Canada with insurance, and we won't get into all that. But I've been I all myself's funded, so I don't have to worry about the costs of it. Like, everything's covered, I'm on, and so I'm sitting here talking to you with my phone on the desk and looking at my blood sugar and going, okay. It's good. I don't have to worry about it. I can just talk and not not have any of the issues.
Scott Benner Okay. No. I mean, listen. I don't have an opinion one way or the other. I'm just wondering how you feel about it. Okay. You brought that up because you think, what, the people are running around maybe being a little too, what, blase about calling it a cure and stuff like that?
Lars Well, I think it's too soon to call it a cure. Yeah. Yeah. It's a positive step towards one in my opinion, but potentially not. Yeah. Depending on your definition of cure.
Scott Benner Of course.
Lars To me, it's not cure.
Scott Benner Yeah. No. No. No. I hear what you're saying. I would tell you that where it creates a little bit of worry for me would be the idea that people could hear that and think, oh, they're gonna have it cured pretty soon, so I don't really have to take as good care of myself. Yeah. I get a little worried about that. Like, oh, you know, my blood sugar is one eighty five. I'd push it down, but next year, I'm gonna be getting those stem cells, so it'll all be okay. That part gets me. I also would tell you, I don't like the way it feels like it's being used as clickbait by diabetes influencers. I don't like that very much. No. Doing. If you need clicks, I understand. If it's the way you make a living or you're trying to turn it into something, I understand. But by telling people, like, oh my god, I'm cured, or there's a lady that's cured over here, a guy over here that's cured, he has a he. Like, you know, there's ten, twelve of them at this point who are in this study. I'm sure they'll be adding more If they haven't already, But and I don't that's, you know, under 20 people having this experience of, you know, what, 2,000,000 people who have it. So it's not like bubble gum. Can't just get it anywhere. And then getting people excited, and I just think it's I don't know. Like, I don't know if I'm doing a good job explaining what I don't like about it, but...
Lars No. I I yeah. I totally agree because it's still too early in the research into it to say, yes. It's a cure. Because like you said, there's only been ten to twelve people who've had this infusion done. Right. So it's like, well Yeah. And it's positive for them that they've not on insulin anymore and that their body is producing it, but it's like it's still way, way, way, in my opinion, way, way too early to call it anywhere close to a cure because it's they've just come off ejected insulin.
Scott Benner Yeah. Also, if you just take the word cure out of the conversation, it's also not even a prescribed treatment yet.
Lars Exactly.
Scott Benner Yeah. It's a trial. You're not even saying to everybody, forget curing you, but I can shut off your need to take man made insulin for a while. I'll call it that for a second. You know, come on over to the office and grab some. That isn't a day away. You know? I I don't know how far away it is. I'm gonna find out when I talk to the person. But, I mean, my guess would be that if the trial was branded a full on success and the FDA said, absolutely, go ahead and do this, that in itself is gonna take years. And then after that, what? Then years more to get it set up. So, you know, are you telling me maybe ten years from now it'll be okay? You know, if this all works out like that, I pointed out and would continue to point out that I had one of the people on who's had the experience of being through the trial. All sound very positive to me, but, you know, they had only had this process in place for six weeks at that point. And I don't know. I just I'm glad for them, and I think they should tell their story a million percent. I think people should hear it. I really do get worried about that idea of, like, it's happening right now. You know? It's just not the case. No. It's not happening right now.
Lars And we all know how long like, research takes a while. Like, it does. Yeah. That's why it's research. It's not like, oh, look. We can flick a switch, like, light switch, and and here we go. Everyone in the world is is available to them.
Scott Benner There's also an intake questionnaire and a lot of testing that gets done before you even get put in the trial. So my indication there would be that there might have been plenty of people who said, I'd love to be in the trial who got told, well, you're not right for the trial. So...
Lars Exactly. Yeah.
Scott Benner They're trying to keep it very specific to people I think that they imagine it's going to work with, which makes sense to me. When you got this sorted by Advil, Lars, you don't have to take a a questionnaire first and run the risk of the the Advil not being for you. You know what I mean? Right. Yeah. So let's get it to the point where, oh, no. I have diabetes. I call the guy, and then, you know, they set me up, bring me in for the I don't know whatever they're gonna do, and then I don't have it anymore. Then that's functional to me. So Yes. Anyway, what else you got here, man? Anything we missed? Anything we didn't talk about? Something I didn't ask you about anything at all?
Lars No. I don't think so.
Scott Benner We did okay? Yeah. We did okay. Your first podcast?
Lars Hopefully, mine was okay. Yeah. Mine first.
Scott Benner Were you nervous at all?
Lars No. Good. Like I said, I've spoken at a conference last year and just spoke off the cuff and was able to speak well. So...
Scott Benner Yeah. No. You're doing a great job. It's not a...
Scott Benner Yeah. It it's just interesting. I don't often get people who don't, like, listen to the podcast, to be on it, which is really nice for me, and I appreciate it. I wish more people would do that. I don't know how to it's hard to get in touch with people who don't know about the podcast. So...
Lars I know about it. I just haven't Yeah. You're busy. Chance to...
Scott Benner You're busy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I am.
Lars So...
Scott Benner You got a 17 year old. Is it a daughter? Your 17 year old?
Lars A daughter.
Scott Benner That's a lot of work right there. And, the boys become more work just slightly after that. And, and you're married, and there's a lady who's the mom of your daughter. There's a lot of things going on with you. I would imagine you got a job. You got diabetes, stuff happened. I understand. What do you do for, like, entertainment? Do you have a lot of in your ear entertainment in being in IT or no, you're not able to?
Lars Yeah. I do. I just have to try and keep up with all the advances in IT and AI and quantum computing and everything. So...
Scott Benner What kind of job do you have? What do you what do you do?
Lars I'm a system admin.
Scott Benner Are you using AI very much yet?
Lars For some things, yes. Like, it's not the it still gets it wrong, so don't put all your eggs in the basket and say, yes. AI is perfect. It's not. It will still make mistakes. So Yeah. So just double check it is my advice.
Scott Benner You found some uses for it?
Lars Yes. I found some uses for it. So Very nice. It's good for if you're, like, doing research into a trip and stuff, it's good to just say, hey. If I've done this research, can you confirm that this is good? And there's a yep. Takes a look for it. Yeah. Yeah. Quick answers to questions you have and that sort of thing. So...
Scott Benner I do like asking it to, like, quality check something or, you know, can you fact check this for me? Give me some some backup that I can read and see if I agree with the fact checking, that kind of stuff. I it helps me a lot with my website. I'll say that. And Yeah. You know, that kind of stuff. Like, things I could never have I would have not known how to code on my own. I can make now much easier. Yes. You know, it's been helping me with transcripts and stuff like that. It's been been pretty valuable, honestly. So Yeah. Okay. Alright. Well, Lars, I appreciate you doing this with me very much.
Lars Thank you for the time.
Scott Benner No. It's my pleasure. Do you think you'll ever move back to New Zealand, or do you think you're a Canadian now?
Lars Potentially. Like, I would ideally love to just have endless summers, but because of New Zealand's smaller population, and so I still keep in touch with some of the people I knew in New Zealand. Mhmm. And the insulin here that I'm using, I can't get down there, so I would have to go to a older generation, which I'm not so fond of. So interested in doing oh, that's interesting. Do you think your wife would move?
Lars Yeah. I mean, we would love an endless summers. So...
Scott Benner I would too. Yeah. I hate the cold. I'm done with it. Perfectly honest with you. What part of Canada are you in?
Lars Alberta. So we get minus 40.
Scott Benner Yeah. I know. You gotta leave. That seems wrong to me. Times. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So Well, I just but get a bunch of insulin, take it with you. See how see how long you make it last. Yeah. Lars, thank you. I really appreciate this, man. It's it's been good talking to you.
Lars No worries. Thanks, Scott.
Scott Benner Yep. Hold on one second for me. Okay? Sure.
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