#1936 Naming This
Naming This
Scott and Erika Forsyth plan their next series out loud — the reasons people avoid their own diabetes care, and what happens when you give each one a name.
Jump to a moment
- This is the planning meeting, published. Scott and Erika each came with an idea for their next series and neither knew the other’s. What listeners get is the curtain pulled back — two people working out what to make next, in real time, including the parts where they check whether they’ve already covered something.
- The series has a name and a premise: naming this. After reading through research on medical information avoidance, Scott sketched roughly eleven short episodes, each putting a name to one reason people don’t do the thing they intend to do — avoidance and inattention, fatalism, feeling too far behind to start, stigma, information overload, dreading an appointment, disagreeing with a doctor, “I’m fine,” and burnout. Erika connects it to Dan Siegel’s name it to tame it.
- Nobody is willfully negligent. Scott’s position after twelve years of interviews: he has never met someone who didn’t want to be healthy, so avoidance is better understood as a nervous system protecting itself than as a choice — which is why he rejects the label noncompliant. Erika adds what tends to sit underneath: grief, fear, an identity that hasn’t integrated the diagnosis, or gaps in education and support.
- Stigma gets a genuinely different reading. Scott argues that if you don’t care what other people think, stigma has nothing to grip — illustrated with a story about a woman who wouldn’t buy a car she liked because of what her friends might say. Erika reframes it precisely: the public stigma is external and real, and self-stigma is the part where you choose whether to internalize it. They agree to make it a full conversation.
- Erika’s contribution: caregiver distress in the age of constant data. She wants to examine what it does to a caregiver — and to the relationship — to have someone’s glucose visible twenty-four hours a day. Scott offers a real example about being able to read his daughter’s day off her CGM and wondering whether he’d find that comforting if he were her. Erika’s framing question for the future episode: when is the checking serving you, and when has it stopped?
- Erika Forsyth, LMFT — Erika's practice — now licensed in Oregon, California, Montana, Utah, Vermont, and Florida.
- Mental wellness series — The full Scott and Erika catalog, including episode 1196 on ambivalence and motivation referenced here.
- Juicebox FAQ search tool — The searchable index Scott uses on-air to check what they've already covered — filter by mental wellness and search a term.
- Touched By Type 1 — Orlando — The free September 26 event Scott and Erika are both attending.
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Two ideas, and nobody knows the other’s2:05
Hold on.
I'm getting nervous. Yes.
Is that what's happening? You're nervous?
Yes. I'm getting nervous. Alright.
Yes. So we've both come to this short recording today with an idea for what we can do next together, and neither of us know what the other's gonna say. And then I said you go first, and you had a small stroke off microphone. So I'll go first because I because I want you to be comfortable. Okay?
Thank you.
You're very welcome, everyone. Erica's back as you can tell. Let me see where I put my idea for this. Ah, here it is right here. I think I'm gonna be calling the, the series naming this or something like that.
Where “naming this” came from2:44
Mhmm.
So here's where it comes from. I have been picking around recently in research that explains why people specifically with type one diabetes may or may not take the care of themselves that that their doctors or that they would even hope that they would. So there's research that tells you what gets in the way of people making those decisions. Right? And the way I'm kind of looking at it here is oh my gosh.
Should I just tell you? So yeah. Yeah. So I I basically have it broken down into it looks like maybe 11 episodes, but they're gonna be shorter. I have avoidance and inattention, and I have fatalism, the idea of, like, this is not gonna matter no matter what I do anyway.
I'm too far behind to start, so kind of low self efficacy. Everybody knows, and it's a stigma thing. Like, they they don't wanna you don't wanna pop your head up and be stigmatized. I have too much information, so I froze. So a little information overload.
A trust break kind of a thing, and this breaks into a couple of different episodes. So the idea of, like, first of all, they they got it wrong, and I paid the price is kind of the like, I got bad information, and now I'm the one who's suffering. I have walking into an appointment that you're dreading, and kind of the third part of this one part idea is disagreeing with your doctor and how to do that without kind of blowing up your whole thing. So kind of like a three portion around the one idea of I'm not getting good advice. Mhmm.
The adaptive kind of I'm fine. This is fine. We're all fine. Don't worry about it thing. Diabetes stress, so burnout or depression.
And excuse me. And then I thought we could do kind of, like, a closing kind of, like, a structural closing about why all this isn't your fault and, you know, kind of button it up to there. That would be between you and I. And then on the other side of it, not for each of those things, but I'm thinking about bringing Jenny in on the I'm too far behind part, and there's too much information, so I over I froze. They got it wrong.
I paid for it. Walking to an appointment that you're dreading, disagreeing with your doctor, the I'm fine, so it's fine thing, and the burnout. So I would do probably 10 or 11 pieces with you, do six or seven with Jenny, look at how they can kinda companion for each other. And then that was my idea.
I so I like it. So the overarching title or theme is what what did you say? Was the
I I guess you have to name the things that are happening to you. So the so where this started was a conversation I was having with myself. And sometimes when I say that, you should infer that I was having it with an AI bot at the same time in in my car while I was driving. The I but I had just looked at a lot of research around like, there's, like, there's, like, nearly a 100 studies about, like, predictors of medical information avoidance, basically. And I am I am almost done being baffled by it at this point.
Like, you see it all the time. You know, I I take this pill because I don't feel good. Three months from now, I feel better. First thing I do is stop taking the pill. That it happens to people at every level of desire, intelligence.
It's just it's just a human thing. It got me thinking about that, and then I wondered if there was research around it. So I dug through the research a little bit to find it, and then I basically put together what are some common reasons why these things happen that that are, I don't know, that are found in almost all the research, and that's that's shorter list that I came up with was there. Anyway so then I figured, like, when you and I talk about stuff like psychosocial stuff like this, we're always saying if you if you name it, then that's a way to move forward. So that's why I was thinking naming it.
How'd I do?
I I well, I like it. I was just thinking of, doctor Dan Siegel, who we've talked about before. He kind of became known for the saying name it to tame it. Mhmm. And, also, Brene Brown is big on, you know, when you're noticing something, just naming it is part of that process of moving forward, having that awareness of what's going on and what you're feeling.
So I I love even the title of, you know
Thank you.
Naming it naming this
So what do you think? Can we do it? You busy? You got something going on?
I think it's no. I think it's great. And I'm as you were listing some of the topics, I was thinking about I know I had one idea, but they're really kind of two different ones actually that might fit in to this series.
Okay.
Do you wanna process some more of your ideas?
Yeah. Help me help me think it through a little bit because I I mean, I have a proposal put together to send you, but I still, at the same time, I I think talking about it helps me understand it because I the way the proposal came is from me talking about it. It's really the only way I'm able to do this stuff. So, yeah, let's go through
Avoidance isn’t a decision8:27
it. So the first avoidance versus inattention. Too far and then the next one was too far behind to start the stigma. I mean, I almost as we're naming these things, thinking about, you know, what are these are barriers Mhmm. To having, you know, a quality of life, not necessarily just in from the the number perspective, but from your psychosocial emotional perspective.
Well, around avoidance, I guess the way it occurs to me is that it could look like a decision from the outside, but then I think it's probably more of, a, I don't know, like, a nervous system protection thing or just, like, I just need to be out of this so that I don't have to deal with it. Because that to me, it's kind of an extension of you know, for all the people I've talked to over a dozen years, I I always say I've never met anybody who is willfully negligent. Like, I've never met somebody who's just saying, I don't wanna be healthy. And then, you know, when when you get, like, tagged by your doctor as, noncompliant. Mhmm.
I mean, that that could happen. That could be written on your folder, you don't even know it. Mhmm. And I just don't think people are noncompliant. Like, I don't think people show up at a doctor's office thinking, I'm gonna ignore what's happening here.
I don't care what my health outcomes are. Screw this. Screw them. Like, I think there's other reasons why it happens. And so when you're avoiding digging into this, I don't I just don't think it's a purposeful decision.
So, like, to me, that's kind of the perspective of that conversation from my perspective. But I don't know what you'll bring to it when the day comes where we record it and I say that.
Yes. Oh, I'm thinking, yeah, avoidance is is what we see. Right? The the behavior, but what is driving that can be so many factors that we can get into. But I'll name a few.
Right? Grief.
Mhmm.
You know, you're not the the idea and the identity around diabetes hasn't been fully integrated for very for variety of reasons. Education, awareness, the fear
Yeah.
Of, you know, uncertainty around pre bolus. I mean, we could you could even talk about avoidance of pre bolus thing and name a lot of different factors Yeah. That we've we've kind of talked about before.
Well, even when you bring up
I like it.
Fatalism, and the grief underneath it11:05
When you bring grief up there, like, kinda jumping into the second idea, like, that whole fatalistic, this doesn't matter. Everything's predetermined anyway. That's gotta just be grief to begin with. Right? Like, isn't that just a reframing of grief?
Like, you know, nihilism, basically? Is it doesn't matter? Everything's just spinning off. We're all gonna die anyway, like that kind of vibe. And I I mean, that just couldn't be I mean, there's obviously, that can be further from the truth.
There's a ton of things that you can impact around your health that will make, you know, the the the days and weeks and months of your life go by much smoother and more enjoyable. So, anyway, I feel like that's probably, like, kinda baked into that there.
Mhmm. Yes. Yes.
That's it. See? It's it's gonna it's gonna write itself as they say while we're while we're conversating. And they don't have to be long conversations either. They could be as long as they need to be.
If it's twenty minutes, if it's thirty minutes around one idea and we get through it, then then good. If it goes longer, I'm fine. Who cares? But in the end, what I would like is for I would almost like for the titles to be a road map and then the conversations inside of the title to be, you know, the pathway from rest stop to rest stop maybe. And and I just don't think that I mean, I don't think about my life this way.
Too far behind to start12:29
I don't imagine anyone does. Like, you know, when you when you when somebody says to you, hey. Let's clean your bedroom, and you look at it, and it's so buried under dirty clothes and and and ignoring for weeks and weeks and weeks, you do get that feeling of, like, I can't impact this, so I'm too far behind to start. But that's not really true. You know?
You just go one thing at a time, and before you know it, you find the floor. It's I mean, if that wasn't true, then the sink would be piled to the ceiling all the time. Because every day I look at it, I think, ugh, no one touched one of these dishes. I guess I'll start. And then it feels like it's gonna be forever, and 20 later, the the sink's clean.
So I I don't know. So that's just another kind of piece there, the I don't know. Around that feeling, like, there's just no sense in doing it because my a one c's already ate. And I again, just doesn't seem like the right way to think about it to me.
And I think the idea of, you know, one one dish at a time or one item at a time is helpful to kind of interrupt that feeling of overwhelm and, you know, things are there's so much to do. Where do you start?
Mhmm.
And thinking about it strategically in that way of, you know, small bite sizes. And maybe what we can also explore further is, well, how do we get into how do you initiate that first step? Like, what is it in your mind or body or heart that says, okay. I'm just gonna start this one dish.
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That's visit.twist.com/juicebox. Don't forget, twist has two i's. Well, that's gonna be the hard work you're gonna do on your own before the conversation. I don't I all the smart thinking will be for you. I'll say things like the dishes are piling up and your room is dirty and stuff like that.
But those are good analogies and images that we can all
relate to. Skills, Erica. That's all. Mine are just dopey. Stick, again, like, you know so there's that piece and then getting to the idea of, like, stigma and is like, what is stigma really?
What stigma actually is15:47
Right? Like, because why do I why do I care what how do I put this? I heard a guy telling a story the other day. His mom is retired. She's got plenty of money.
Right? And he's the one who's in charge of helping his mom buy something when she needs some. She's older, and she comes to him as an adult, like, when it's time to buy things. So the poor lady has, like I don't know. Somebody hits her car or something like that or a car stops running.
And he says, mom, you know, time to go buy a car. She goes out to get a car and sees one she likes but won't buy it. And when he asks why, she says, well, I'm afraid. Literally says, I'm afraid of what my friends would say. And I think to myself, like, that's insane.
Like, you you care what, like, your but there it is. She's a grown person. She's lived through this whole life, and she has the money to buy a certain automobile that she will not buy because she's worried about the stigma that comes with it. And is what is stigma is all I could think when I was listening to that because that's a self imposed thing. She's putting that on herself.
Like, yes, it might happen, but you can't feel it if you if you if you don't feel it. I don't even know another way to say that. Like, if you don't care what another person thinks of you, then I don't know what stigma is exactly. Does that make sense? And, you know, so I know that's probably not the prescribed way to think about outside pressure, but it's gotten me pretty far.
And, I would like to share it with other people. I don't give a shit what anybody thinks, Erica, is
all I'm saying. Yes. We yes. Okay. We know.
So well, I you know, I I'm pausing and letting that kind of settle in because I don't think I've thought about stigma in from that from that perspective.
From the root Yeah. My caveman perspective. I understand what you're saying. Yeah. Yeah.
I think of bullying like, cyberbullying the same way. That throws me for a loop. They're on a device you can shut off. When you shut off, they don't exist anymore. Like, I don't there are plenty of people who don't like me, and some of them spend time on the Internet talking about it.
If you're listening, any of you, I'm unaware of you and couldn't possibly care less. You're making no impact on my life whatsoever. But I don't know why some people can say that and mean it, and some people will be like, well, I can't buy that car because what will people say? I don't know. You know what I mean?
Yes. Well, I think there's I guess, when I when we when you said stigma, I'm you we think of the typical definition, which is kind of the the the negative or beliefs or attitudes that externally people hold. A group, society, the type ones versus the type twos, like, those kind of those stigmas that we hear and we know, that's external. Right? The public stigma.
And so what you are now defining is more the the self stigma. So based on whatever that negatively held view that is public, you then choose or not to internalize that.
We're gonna have a fun conversation around
that.
Okay. Okay. Good. Good. Good.
Sorry. We're going to
No. No. We're not.
To in-depth. Okay. So stigma.
You you never heard tickle their ass with a feather, Erica? It just you get them thinking about it. And they're like, oh, is that series gonna come out next year? That'll be awesome. I'd love that.
I'll I'll keep subscribing. Case they hit a couple clunkers along the way, they'll be like, oh, let me tough it out. I wanted to get to that naming this series. Let's information overload. I mean, that one is obviously as real as it could possibly be.
Information overload, and freezing19:31
So you just have to find a way to parse that information, and I think, you know, small bites. Right? But, also, how does information overload you know, from your perspective, how does it stop it? How does information overload turn into freezing or
Yeah. Or inefficient? Or nothing.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, you're right. Exactly.
Three problems with the appointment19:53
Then these kinda, like, little grouping here that's around health care. Like, they got it wrong. I paid the price. When you walk into an appointment, dreading the appointment thinking that, you know, the anticipation is is too much to take. And then once you the way I kinda think about it, like, once you come up with a idea that you would like to enact and the doctor pushes back, like, how do you do that without blowing up your relationship and and then probably causing another speed bump?
So those three might end up being one conversation. There might be three. I have no idea. We'll have to see as we go.
Yes. Those those are all so real and so valid that I you know, that there's that you could go back to naming stigma, shame, information overload. Those all of those initial themes, the avoidance
Mhmm.
Are all can be connected to your experience of the the doctor's office, what may occur, or what you might fear might occur.
The distress numbers20:57
The the diabetes this is just I'll just give you a number. Out of one of these, bits of research, from 2024, they think diabetes distress is at twenty one point seven percent in the type one community. So type one, we'll see at high distress, twenty one point seven percent, moderate to severe, thirty one percent in adults. And that's that those are numbers from 2025. So, you know, so talk about that piece to adding and naming it aspect to that.
And then the end of it really is so if, like, five to seven percent of newly diagnosed people receive receive some sort of a formal education in the first year. And so I kind of think that, you know, the safe you know, like, that's not a lot of people being given good direction. And then from there, I think self blame starts to jump in. All these other things jump in, and that's a structural issue, not a personal failure. But I think they all end up feeling like personal failures when they're over.
So if there's no class there, you gotta go find it somewhere else, and I don't know how you're supposed to be able to go find it. Like, I say that all the time about things. Like, I think if I knew what to do, I'd be good at it. But how am I supposed to find out what to do? Like, you know, when you look up at somebody Where do
you start?
Yeah. Like, where like, how am I supposed to get into the club who knows how to salsa dance or whatever? You know what mean? Investing. Like, you know, how do how like, how come I see some people have money put away for the future?
I don't know about that. You know? I Mhmm. Had a conversation with my daughter's friend the other day sitting in this room, And she's 22, and she's like, I'm gonna be working my whole life. I'm never gonna have any money.
And I was like, no. I was like, that I was like, you're you're two years away from a a profession where you're gonna make a reasonable amount of money. I said, you're gonna put, like, a a tiny bit of it away? She's And like, that's never gonna amount to anything. And I had to walk her through the you know, I said, look.
If you just take just take as, you know, the the poorest number that the stock market's done in the last ten years and apply it to the next ten years, if you put this tiny amount of money away, you know, every month, like, look. It turns into a million dollars. And she was like, oh, I was like, yeah. Like like, that it'll be okay. Like, you can do that.
You know? But she was given up. She's 22 years old. She'd almost given up. And and I was like, no.
No. No. Like, that's just but then I realized, I looked at her. I don't like, no one told me that growing up. It's a thing I had to try to figure out for myself.
But I also watched my brother figure it out for himself, and my other brother not figure it out for himself. And so she's she's a coin flip. Is she gonna get this or not? But all of sudden, somebody says it to her, and it makes sense, and now it's in her head, and now she's got a reasonable shot at doing it. And I feel the same way about the diabetes stuff.
So Mhmm. That's pretty much it. That's my idea. What's your idea? I gave you plenty of time.
What's your idea?
Erika’s idea: ambivalence23:59
Mhmm. You did. So I think my two themes that we I know we talked about that we probably have done series on. The first one is, you know, motivation for change, and I think we did do did we do an an episode on motivational interviewing, or we've talked about it? But thinking about avoidance, I almost appreciate and maybe not separate from or in addition to the word ambivalence, because avoidance can have a, you know, some emotion around that.
Like, you're you're being avoidant. Like, that's bad. That's negative. Has a negative connotation. It can.
It doesn't always have to. I think ambivalence also demonstrates a similar behavior or outcome
Okay.
Of of choices or patterns, but there might be different root causes underneath that. Like, so if we're talking about ambivalence towards diabetes, ambivalence towards your management, ambivalence towards, you know, whatever it may be, that's where people get stuck sometimes. And it might be for similar reasons, but I just thought that is a hard place. We all we all get ambivalent about different things in our lives. And if we and please remind me if we've already gone into detail about this, but I just I feel like it's coming up a lot more.
Okay. Well
And I think it's a good and hard topic to process through. But in in the in the umbrella of, you know, motivation for change and addressing the the the really a barrier, right, of ambivalence.
Let me tell you what I just did. I went to juiceboxpodcast.com/jbfaq. I went on the left side, clicked on mental wellness to keep my search just to mental wellness, then I went to the search bar and typed in ambivalence. Came back with episode eleven ninety six, which I'm now opening up.
Okay.
Erica and Scott define and discuss ambivalence and motivation. It's about an hour long conversation, but I'm gonna tell you if you think it needs deeper mining, then I think we should talk more about it. Mhmm. But why what's got it in your head?
I think when what is challenging, I will I will disclose, you know, as as a therapist when I'm supporting and working with individuals or families and a a client wants to make changes.
Mhmm.
But they are noticing that they can't. Part of the work that we do is trying to identify what are those barriers. Is it fear? Is it grief? Is it you know, do you need more exposure in education and awareness?
Do you need more social support, family support? And if if you don't need all of those things, then what is that ambivalent part where maybe you you want to, lower your a one c or you want to pre bolus. And while we don't go into the details of that management side, what we're trying to understand is, you know, what is what is interfering with that? Is it past is it trauma? And so I was thinking as particularly as you were talking about naming this series, perhaps we could go back Put it into that.
And connect it. Yeah.
Yeah. That's what I was just thinking when you were saying now. I thought, oh, we we should just put it into that series and make that fit there. That I didn't have all the answers. I just listen.
I came up with as much as my little brain could come up with. And then, and then my notetaker kept track of everything I was saying and then put it back into order for me because if it was up to me, I'd never I mean, you hear how I think. If even if I thought with a piece of paper in front of me, would just be a bunch of words, and then I'd be like, don't know what to do with all this. So, I just didn't hit on ambivalence when I was going through and chatting through the things that I found, like, valuable for us. So, yeah, put it on the list.
Okay. Yeah. So that that was for the add on perhaps to the series, but what has been really, ruminating for me is I know we've done the caregiver series, but the caregiver distress and the anxiety around the tech and the management and the hypervigilance. And, again, we I know we talked. Right?
Caregiver distress and the devices28:41
Have we do you wanna do the search again? What do you what
do you want me to search for? Hold on a second.
Caregiver distress, and tech, you know, device management, hypervigilance.
So this is more comes up in an episode called supporting caregivers, which is something that you and I did together. Yes. And it comes up in an episode called emotions of diagnosis, diabetes, distress. Mhmm. Sharing the care of a teen, one child.
I mean, honestly, I don't something that hasn't come up, but I don't think we've dug into it specifically, especially around the technology.
Yes. Yeah. Let's I think this, I've been thinking about this. You know, we talked, on the cruise. We this was this topic was addressed in in how, you know, parents support children with type one.
And you asked myself, and then you asked a parent, and you asked another person, you know, would you want it to be different? Or how how would you have preferred to be raised? And, obviously, when I was raised, we did not have Dexcom Follow or any of the follow ups Yeah. Thankfully. There's yeah.
Thankfully. Because I did not want anyone to know. And so I think there's this just something to explore and process. What does it mean for the caregiver to have this access twenty four seven? And, yes, it is certainly beneficial and helps reduce, you know, long term complications by being more in range more frequently.
There are all all sorts of data around that, but going back to the the emotional burden and toll that it takes for the caregiver to have this information.
Yeah.
And what do you do with that?
And what does it do to the relationship too? To feel because you're gonna feel spied on no matter what as you get older. Right? Like, at some point, it'll feel like, oh, my mom's watching. She's helping.
I'm okay. I feel safe because of this. But there's gonna be a moment where you're like, stop looking at me. I don't need you knowing what I'm doing all the time. Like, you know, I don't tell Arden that, you know, I can tell how she feels some days or, like, you know, she got a tattoo recently, and somebody texted me she's done.
And I looked and I thought and I responded back to that person, not to to to Arden. And I said, no. I can tell. Like, I could tell on her CGM when it started, and I could tell on her CGM when it was over. And I don't know that that's a I don't know that I would find that to be comforting if I was her.
Do know what I mean? So, I mean, comforting maybe, but not I don't really know how to put the words to it. I don't know if that's the thing you want other people being able to know about you unless you're sharing it with them. Right? It just it feels like a I don't know.
It feels like prying in a weird way.
I I I think understanding where it is, is it helpful, supportive, protective versus does it ever become feeling like a violation
Yeah. That's a good word.
Privacy. Right. I don't know. Is that too strong?
I'm not sure. I know. I I was reaching for a word, and I couldn't I couldn't find one there. But I I mean, not that it's purposeful. Like, it's not a it's not like punching someone in the face, but maybe the sting is there.
You you know? So I don't know.
Like, I I she's definitely taking it. Okay. Sorry.
No. Don't don't be you didn't speak I'm sorry. I wasn't looking up when you started talking. I thinking instead of looking at you. So
The I think conversations around, yes, when is that boundary crossed? And it will it will be, and that's part of life with type one. And then what do you do with that? And then conversations around how many, you know, displays are we gonna have in the house, in the classroom. What are you and, again, this this is all age and stage dependent and developmentally, you know, needs to be filed in that way.
I think so.
Just something to think about.
Yeah. Yeah. No. Like, because, hold on a second. There's a telemarketer trying to I I don't wanna be telemarketed.
So, Because there's a difference between and I think as an example, I think Sugarpixel is a fantastic device. And as a matter of fact, if you wanna buy one, use my link, and I think I make a dollar custom type customtype1.com/juicebox. But I have talked to people who's like, have one in my kitchen. I have one in my bedroom. I have one in the kid's room.
And at at a certain age, like, I get it. Like, you walk through the house, you see the comforting number or the color that makes you think, like, oh, in range, and it's comforting, and it's it's a little out of it's funny. It's instead of out of sight, out of mind, it's almost insight out of mind, if that makes sense. But there's gotta be a day where some people will think, could you please stop broadcasting my blood sugar all over the house? Right?
When the number is in every room33:41
Like, put it in one place. Have it where it's for sure needed. Like, I don't know. Like and I think that because you said age and stage is what made me think of it. Like, there's gonna be a moment where, like, a a switch is gonna flip.
Because I've been through a lot of switch flipping phases with my daughter through diabetes, and you think they're gonna end or you think, oh, that one was the last one. That's certainly not how that works. And so you move forward, and there's times where it's smoother. It's times where it's not. There's times where new problems come up, old problems reappear.
And in the end, my goal is always just twofold. Like, I want her to be healthy and prepared, and I'd like it if we still liked each other when this part's over. It's the two things I'm shooting for. You know? So so far, so good.
But
Yes. It's a
we're walking a fine line, I would imagine, some days.
Yeah. So there and there's no I think, wanting if we do go back and and have this kind of bit larger conversation around caregiver distress and devices and relationships, There's no right or wrong way, but I think what I would enjoy doing is having conversation and asking questions that you can ask yourself to be aware of. You know? When when is the checking serving you or not?
Mhmm. Yeah. I'm with you. Alright. Those are good ideas.
Making the plan35:09
See? Look at what we've done here. We've let people we've always done. We've pulled the curtain back. We've let them they basically are in our Zoom meeting where we're, like, trying we're trying to, like, work out what we're gonna do at work next time we get together.
Which one do you wanna do first?
Oh gosh. I don't know if I have a a preference.
Okay. Why don't we do why don't we do this? Why don't we do the shorter one first
Okay.
And then do the longer one after Christmas? Or and even that's too far. Maybe we can get it done before Christmas. Only do why don't we because it's August right now. You and I are gonna go do touch by type one.
If oh, by the way
In a month.
Septem what's the date in case this comes out before that? September? I got it. I it. Got it.
September 26. Touched by type one. It's free. It's in Orlando. Go to touchedbytype1.org for more information to how to get your free tickets.
Now I'm, like, pressuring myself into putting this out before the '20 I can do that. So we'll go do that. We'll come back. Let the summer end. You have children.
Let your children go back to school. Right? We'll let Labor Day we'll we'll, you know, we'll let the weather cool off a little bit. We'll jump in and do the short one, Then maybe we can do the series and get the series done before the end of the year so it can come out at the beginning of the year for people. And after that, we'll figure out what we're gonna do next.
That sounds like a good plan.
We have plans. Look at us. Yes. Awesome. I
should go I also have fun new new I have fun news that I am newly licensed in the state of Montana. Hello. I I haven't really said done anything about it besides put it on my website, but I am now licensed in Montana.
No kidding. You can now help cattle and 16 people. Is that correct? By the way
Hey. My dad's from Montana, so be be careful.
I'm not gonna listen to you. I'm gonna go the opposite of be careful. If it if if I had the ability to be somewhere else when it was snowing, I would live the rest of my I would live that four or five months in Montana happily. So
So beautiful.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Please. Are you kidding me?
That's I just gotta leave before the 19 feet of snow comes. Yeah. I don't I don't think I have the fortitude, as they say, to to tough it out in a house
To shovel some.
For a week and a half before I can get back to, like, civilization. Although alright. I'm I'm also, I watched Yellowstone, and I loved it. So I think that I think that I feel like I could live on a ranch is what I'm saying based on the television
Depiction?
Depiction that I saw with with Kevin Costner. I I don't think I could throw a body off a cliff, but I think I could walk outside with, like, nothing but green in front of me. I think I'd be okay with that. So alright. Cool.
Well, congratulations. Tell tell us all the states real quick.
So Oregon, California, Montana, Utah, Vermont, and Florida.
Oh, six up to. Yes. Loving it. Ericaforesight.com?
Yes. Excellent. Thank you.
Yeah. Go get therapized by, Erica. Is that a word?
My husband likes to use it. Yes.
Wait. You're telling him what to do?
Never. Alright. I'll talk to
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