#1934 All In It Together
All In It Together
Hannah, 19 and pre-med, has had type 1 since age 15. She talks candidly about recovery from an eating disorder, working diabetes camp, her mom's later diagnosis, and finding the right support.
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- Diabetes was always just there. Diagnosed at 15 — wait, she jokes, at “15 old” — Hannah has had type 1 long enough that she has no single “first memory” of it. She took over her own care young because she wanted to, the dutiful kind of independence, not the avoidant kind.
- She speaks openly about recovering from an eating disorder. Hannah shares that a difficult period through high school and early college included an eating disorder, a hospitalization, and a long stretch of work to recover. She's candid that recovery isn't linear and that getting the right kind of specialized support — a team that understood both the ED and her life as an athlete — made the difference. She frames it as her story, not a template, and there are no methods or numbers here.
- Diabetes camp gave her something to give back to. After Googling camps near her, Hannah became a counselor and found she loves being in a group where everyone just gets it — a sense of solidarity, as Scott eventually lands on. The kids get attached, the last day is emotional, and she describes a family built in a week.
- Her mom was later diagnosed too. About two years ago, in her late fifties, Hannah's mom was diagnosed — her own biological father had type 1. Scott gently points out that her mom is likely being brave for her, and encourages Hannah to check in and let her mom lean on her experience.
- A GLP has quieted the food noise. Hannah shares that, prompted partly by the podcast and her care team, she started a GLP in January; the change she noticed first was the quieting of constant food noise. She reports feeling good on it. This is her experience with her providers, not medical advice, and any medication decision belongs with a clinician.
- National Alliance for Eating Disorders — Free support, a clinician-staffed helpline, and treatment referrals for anyone affected by an eating disorder.
- Erika Forsyth, LMFT — mental wellness episodes — The Juicebox series on the emotional side of type 1, including diabetes distress and disordered eating.
- Diabetes camps — find one near you — Hannah found her camps by searching locally; the ADA lists accredited camps across the country.
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Meet Hannah — pre-med at 192:17
Okay. Okay. Well
Go when you're ready.
Okay. Hi. My name is Hannah. And what do you need to know about me? I am I've been t one d since I was 15 old.
I am in college right now. I'll be a junior in the fall at University of Florida. And, yeah, I'm just here to talk about diabetes stuff.
15 old. You're trying to win some sort of an award or something for me?
Yeah. No. Jeez.
I spent a little time with somebody who was diagnosed when they were 16 old recently.
Yeah.
Yeah. He's an adult now. You are an adult too, though. Let's be honest.
Yeah. Kind of.
Kind of? How old are you?
I'm 19. I'll be 20 in in the fall.
Oh, I take it back. You're you're not really an
adult. No.
Yeah. Not really. You you're the kind of adult when you tell your parents you're an adult, but then when something comes up, you're like, I I don't know, Ed. Don't ask me. I'm only 19.
Yeah. Yeah. That's usually how it goes.
Yeah. Mom, leave me alone. I'm an adult. Mom, can you buy me a boba tea?
Yeah.
Mhmm. Just know your mom's in a room somewhere quietly banging her head against furniture when you do stuff like that. She's just like, why is why is this part happening? This maybe the this is the worst part. I mean, in fairness, my kids are only, like, you know, in their early to mid twenties.
So maybe there's the worst part coming, I'm just not aware of it.
No. Who knows?
What are you going to college for?
I am going to college for biology. That's my major right now. I'm thinking premed still.
Okay.
Yeah. I have a minor in nutrition. I I don't really exactly know what I wanna do with, like, premed yet. I'm thinking maybe endo. I definitely think pediatrics in some capacity
Okay.
Is in my future.
You know, it's funny. Normally, I ask people, were you thinking this before you were diagnosed, but you've been you don't really have it before. So unless you had unless you had some grand plans to be a horticulturist when you were 11 old. So Nah. Yeah.
So do you think that this this life path has been dictated a little bit about from your health and your experiences?
Yeah. Yeah. I definitely do. I wrote about that in all my college essays, and it was true. But that just be being in the doctor's office so often and, you know, I know every three, four months is, like I am very familiar with the patient side of the medical process, and so I think that I could be valuable on the other end.
Okay.
And that's kind of I know even if, ultimately, I don't end up premedical or medical in general, like, I wanna be in a profession where I'm helping people
Mhmm.
And I can interact with them. And I think health care is, like, the perfect way to do that.
Yeah. Yeah. How come you didn't go funny in those essays and just say, listen. I've developed a sincere addiction to bad music and lollipops, And, I didn't wanna have to pay for it myself, so I'm gonna become a doctor. When you keep saying if it goes that way, do you have a feeling like it might not?
Well, no. I just I have a lot of friends who started on premed and then have switched to, like, PA or PT or something else now now that we're, like, halfway through college. So
Mhmm.
I but, no, for myself, I haven't developed any other, really, interests. I still love learning about the human body and all things health care in general.
So Awesome. That's very
cool. Yeah.
Oh, that's awesome. Tell me a little bit about your first memories. How old do you think you were when you, like, when you look back now? You know what I mean? Like, what do you remember first about diabetes?
Growing up with diabetes always there6:18
About diabetes. That's weird. My first memories are not, like, diabetes related at all, but I would say it's mostly, like, during sports, probably, like, youth sports having to sit out
Mhmm.
For Lowe's. Either that or, like, middle of the night juice boxes. But to be completely honest, I don't I'm such a heavy sleeper. I, like, don't wake up to anything. So I don't know at what point my parents just stopped having to wake me up for juice boxes.
I just, like, drink them, you know, without waking up the
middle of the night. Arden can drink a juice box in her sleep. I've said this before. I wonder if people believe it. She can eat a banana in her sleep.
Oh, that's impressive.
Yeah. You just kinda, like, just sort of give it to her and say, alright. It's banana. And she takes a bite and chews it up, tells you when she's ready for the next one. Pretty pretty it's pretty functionally, like, you know, helpful, I have to be honest.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So when you think about your life, diabetes is just there. So asking you for your earliest memory of diabetes, you you don't really have one. You you just as you think about it, you think, oh, I got low while I was playing sports, but you don't have, like, a like, I remember burning myself on a sparkler on a on a birthday cake at a McDonald's for my party when and I remember my dad saying, don't touch that. And me thinking, oh, I'm gonna pull this sparkler out of the cake and hold it up. And then I burnt my fingers.
I have a very vivid memory of that. You don't have, like, one of those for diabetes. Right?
No. Not for diabetes. No. Not not really. I think my parents did a great job trying to make my life as, like, quote, unquote, nondiabetic as as possible
Okay.
As much as as they could. And I don't even remember, like, managing my own diabetes until I know I stopped going to the nurse quite as often in sixth grade. And before that, it was, you know, nurse's office at school, I guess. Maybe those are, like, earliest true memories of diabetes is, like, lunch checks and, you know, when we have a random M and M counting activity.
And you believe that McDonald's used to be so nice that people would make birthday parties there for their
kids? That's that's that's crazy.
That threw
you off. Impressive. Because you
think of McDonald's as a place where people fight and video it.
Yeah. Like, I don't ever see anybody inside anymore. It's just drive through.
Used to be a good burger. That's all I know. Alright. So sorry. I really burned my finger.
I can remember. Like and I remember how the I still remember how disappointed he was or mad. I don't know which one it was, but I remember feeling like I disappointed people while my finger was burning. And
No.
Yeah. What are you gonna do?
I don't know.
Not a lot. You know I'm saying?
My earliest memory memory, like, one that I truly know was me, was I was at a birthday party at Bounce U, which is
I know what it is.
Okay. You know what it is. Okay. Mhmm. And we were in, like, the party room, and someone was opening up presents.
And I was like, photograph this memory, Hannah. Remember it forever. You are five years old right now, and I actually didn't forget it, which is crazy.
Wow. You told yourself to remember it.
Yeah. I told myself to remember it, and I remember it. And Wait. Is there a
photo of
it? No. No. No. It's just
By the way, I know that Bounce U, the inference is supposed to be Bounce University, but it makes it makes me think of f you. I don't
Maybe that's why they went out of business.
Was that a Northeast thing? Do you live near me?
I'm in Ohio. So Okay. I don't I don't know. I just know the one near us, it was down to you. And then shortly after, it changed to, like, leap something, leapfrog something something,
and I taught. Save the company. What was you said you remember, like, switching to the nurse, like, not going to the nurse anymore at what age?
Taking it over young, on her own terms10:37
Like, sixth grade is kind of when I stopped going down for, like, lunches and all my boluses. I was able to do it on my own. And
You injecting? Do have a pump?
I had a pump. So I don't remember ever being on injections. I know my parents got me on a pump pretty early. I used to be on a Medtronic one when I was super young. Like, I have photos of me with the with the belt pouch thingamajig.
Mhmm. And then when it was available, I switched to Omnipod because I wanted tubeless so bad so I could do the monkey bars
Mhmm.
And not worry about that.
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Yeah. I'll try to talk them into that one.
Mhmm.
Yeah. Okay. So you you knew about them. How do you know about an Omnipod when you're a kid growing up?
Oh, probably my parents.
Them showing you stuff?
Yeah. They were like, hey. We have this they or it was probably after an endo appointment. I truly don't know. I just remember sitting down one night and them being like, hey.
Do you wanna consider this other pump? It's tubeless, and it's gonna be different. But I was like, yeah.
Yeah.
Let's do it.
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No. No. Because that was I was still in elementary school. Somewhere between first and fifth grade is when that happened.
Okay. So so my point being sorry if I'm not if I'm being obtuse, is when did you, like or maybe you had always able to count your carbs, dose your insulin, all that stuff on your
own? That is a good question. Like, I would probably still say fifth, sixth grade is when I started doing it on my own. And then definitely by junior high, like, I barely ever went to the nurse. Couldn't even tell you
what Yeah.
She was like. Like, I don't even
You have siblings?
I do. I have one younger brother. He is he'll be a freshman in the fall. Mhmm. So he just turned 18, which is weird.
And, yeah, he's great, but he doesn't have any autoimmune conditions. We tested him. He's doesn't have antibodies right now. So
What a jerk. Yeah. I
know. Right? He does have bad vision. So
No. Sorry. Sorry. I was just wondering if your parents were busy, if they were the kind of parents who said to you, like, look. This is your thing.
You gotta learn it, or were they helping you a lot more?
I was probably the one who was like, I wanna do this.
Oh, okay.
Because I'm Miss Independent.
Well, when I hear that, that makes me think that the story's gonna take a turn where things didn't go well.
Yeah. You're not wrong.
Yeah. By the way, I I can tell, but it's it's always the ones that are, like, always the ones, by the way. And I'm sorry. I'm talking to you like like like, you're not here. You know how they can be, the ones.
No. I just mean that sometimes when kids are pushing to be on their own early, it's because they're, like, dutiful, and they wanna do it. And they're just like you know, they got, like, engineering minds. You know what I mean? And sometimes it's because they wanna ignore it, not have anybody looking.
Right. Which one were you? Right.
Not the second one. The first one.
You were the first one?
Oh, yeah.
You wanted to take care of it?
Yes.
When things got hard16:10
But why did things go wrong?
Things went wrong in seventh or eighth grade when I I got uncomfortable in my in my body.
Okay.
And I thought my legs were too big, and I kind of there was also at that point, was taking health class. And they had this assignment where we were, like, tracking our food, basically, for a day.
Yeah.
And I was like, This is a cool app. I can lose weight this way. So there's not a ton of explanation that has to go on after that, but I developed an eating disorder pretty starting starting in eighth grade, I guess. And it kind of continued on through, I would say, at least junior year of high school. Pretty restrictive.
I was hospitalized in eighth grade for a week or so
Okay.
Because my heart rate was low.
From not eating?
Yeah. I mean, I was still eating, but definitely not enough because at that point, I was playing tennis at a pretty competitive level and, you know, still doing other sports. And I was, like, the you know, one of those kids who did all the sports, so I was always active and just
Yeah. I have to tell you the trigger that you brought up. That was so specific and interesting.
It Yeah. Your legs
you you looked in a mirror and thought your legs looked too big?
Well, not in the mirror. It was actually, like, just sitting down in class and being, like like, sitting in a desk.
Oh.
Looking down and be like, I don't like how this looks. And then looking at the other girls and being like, no. Of course, I don't have their perspective because, you know, like, they're beside me.
You mean like
I'm in front of me.
I'm so sorry to say it. Do you mean like the spread of your thigh when you're sitting down?
Yep. Mhmm. Yep.
And you never thought to look over their shoulder to see what their thighs look like?
No. They
probably look the same, don't you think now?
Probably. Yeah.
And but that thought got in your head?
Yes. Wow.
Wow. How do you get through that?
Well, clearly, I didn't I didn't do it well.
You're like, I'll tell you I did it, Scott, an eating disorder and then later with therapy. Is that about what happened?
Yeah. Yeah. Sorta. I still there are still remnants of the eating disorder, so it's like
How does it how does it pop up for you?
So I'm gonna give you a synopsis, and then we can go deeper into it. But I through high school, it was still restrict it was like an orthorexia thing. So, like, I wanted to eat clean, eat healthy. You know?
Mhmm.
I very often use diabetes as a cover kind of. Like, hey. I'm not gonna eat that because I'm high, or I'm not gonna eat that because it's too difficult to deal with with my blood sugar or something like that. And then in senior year, when I started running, I also started bingeing. Not sure exactly what the trigger was there.
We think it I mean, I think it's probably just my body was, like, done. It was like, I'm gonna do anything to get the food that you need in you whether you like it or not. So I started bingeing. And then I did some well, then we weren't sure if I would be able to go to college at that point because that summer before I left for college was so bad that the doctors who I was working with in an eating disorder therapy program thought they they advised against it, actually. They were like, she should probably go into a program and wait it out a semester.
Getting real support20:02
Did they let you know, like, an in house program or something from home?
No. I was doing, EQIP, which is virtual. So I had a therapist, a dietitian, and a nurse practitioner.
Okay.
I met with them all at least once a week. And that's that's what I did for almost a year. So I did that. We we decided on that because we knew I could take it down to Florida with me. So I was doing that in the dorms for the first year, And it it definitely helped.
It helped with there was still a fear of carbs in the dining hall, so we worked on that a lot and kind of helped me get rid I would say get rid of, like, the last of the restrictive parts of my eating disorder. And then what was left was
Was the binging? Binging. There's Yeah. Was there purging after the binging or just the binging?
Only in the form of exercise. Never, like,
throw a
note or anything like that.
Eat a bunch and run nine years.
Yeah. Gotcha. Something like that.
Gotcha.
Yes. And then the other thing was after I binge, you know, I'm high for a while. Mhmm. I mean, even if I counted all my carbs, that's just I was eating, oh, you know, over a 100 carbs in a sitting if I was binging.
Okay.
You know? Kind of ice cream was, like, at least 80 already. And then so so I was either, like, I would go on a really, really long walk or, you know, elliptical for a while or something like that just to get my blood sugar below 400.
Were you bolusing?
Yes. I was bolusing, but the other issue is when I'm high, I get mad and frustrated and sad. And so there was an element of I don't even care anymore. I just wanna like, it'll it'll take care of itself eventually. You know?
Mhmm. Just not wanting to deal with it. Kind of like a a mini burnout session.
Your what's your level of understanding about what's happening to you while it's happening? Like, do you are you conscious that this is going on, or are you more like, does that make sense, or are you just, like, doing it and not thinking about it?
You mean, like
All of it.
If I binge?
Yeah. Just just the entirety of the whole thing. Like, are you do you are you consciously saying I have to do this because my legs are too big? And, like
Oh, like, in the beginning. Yeah. About the restrictive part, I was I was in denial for a long time. Like, when my I I remember right before I got hospitalized, my parents had brought me in. I thought it was, like, a regular endo visit, which I still don't know if it was or not, honestly.
But, you know, they do their, like, little medical check-in before you go see the doctor, and my heart rate was, like, at the forties. And they're like, yeah. That's not safe for you. You know, we with your recent weight loss and all that, we recommend that you are hospitalized. And so that's that's what happened.
Mhmm. And then me being an athlete, it, like, took ages for my heart rate to even go above, like, 45 during the nighttime. Jeez. Yeah. Really, really low.
It's still low. Like, my resting heart rate is still low fifties, sometimes high forties. But yeah. I that was definitely like, I was so much because I was playing basketball at that point. I was, like, fastest on the team.
I was, like, Energizer Bunny. Like, you know, there's it seemed to me like there was nothing wrong with me and that I was just eating healthy. And Okay. My diabetes was very well managed. I mean, a one c was consistently below six.
It was
Now describe that same person in hindsight.
Oh, well, in hindsight, I was way too focused on it. There was a lot of things I feel like I missed out on just food wise Mhmm. Because I was scared of eating it, of having to deal with the carbs. Not that I couldn't. I just I thought I was doing great.
I thought, wow. This like, I you know, I got compliments on, like, oh, your lunch is so healthy when it was, like, a salad and tofu. Yes. And then I had
I'm having a nut.
Right.
Yeah.
No. And then I had, like, cross country practice, for example, after school. And, like, I I don't know how I survived. And then looking back on it, there was a lot of times where I was actually, I think, unsafe because I thought it was just, you know, me as a high schooler getting, like, six hours of sleep a night, which was happening occasionally. But, also, my body was so tired from not getting enough calories that I was, like, falling asleep in almost every class.
Wow.
Like, driving. I should not have been driving. There were so many times where I was, like, almost falling asleep at the wheel. Like, not good at all.
About that.
And the funny thing was I didn't I don't drink coffee, and I didn't wanna drink energy drinks. So, yeah, that that was not
I'm a little sleepy this morning. Can I tell you what happened? Sure. I was awoken at 04:30 in the morning because I was having a bad dream that Arden and I were trapped in an abandoned mall, and I couldn't get her blood sugar up. And I couldn't locate any food.
And I had some stuff with me, and it was running out, and I couldn't get her blood sugar to come back up. And then and then that woke me up. Interesting. I've been up since.
Ugh.
I'm not happy about it, I have be honest. I did get a lot of work done this morning. There's a great article on the website today because of it. Yeah. Busy.
Busy. You know? Now when you when you move forward and you you do you're doing the I mean, my god. I I'm just trying to imagine, like, a a freshman in college in her dorm room doing, like, therapy. You must have been, like, awesome.
This is going great. I can't wait for someone else to find out about this. I mean, right can I have the room for an hour, please?
Freshman year, and telling someone27:08
Well, see, what's funny is I random roomated my freshman year because I was like, ugh. I'm chill. I'm a chill person. I can handle whatever. Bad idea.
Bad idea. Because the listen. The binging was still going on. Wow. And my roommate so I I got accommodations to have a fridge in my room.
So they put me in a suite style dorm with four beds and two bedrooms. So two girls in a bedroom. And then there was one of the rooms was an RA, so she had it to herself. I didn't see her a lot. And then the other room was me and this other girl, my roommate.
And she was Jewish, so she was eating kosher
Mhmm.
And had all these kosher foods and also other foods. A lot of snack foods, basically.
Oh.
She was not in the dorm a lot. And so I was I at one time, I did I binged on her food.
On the matzo?
No. Well, it was actually on a bag of granola.
A bag of
granola. Granola and some of her she had, like, cheese in the fridge. And I I tried to hide it from her for a while.
That you ate her cheese?
That yes. And then I went to Publix. Yeah. I went to Publix, and I bought a replacement for the cheese. And it was not kosher or something.
It was the wrong cheese,
basically. Did she die?
No. She didn't die.
I'm just kidding. That's happened.
Really freaking mad at me. And that was the worst night of my freshman year of college when I was sitting at the bottom of my dorm building, and I was just I was, like, sobbing to my parents. I was like, I can't I was so scared of anybody knowing about my
Of course.
Eating disorder. And so I was like, I can't tell her. Like, I cannot tell her. And, eventually, they got me to go up there and, like I was like, I have no other option. Or my parents were like, you have no other option.
You have to tell her.
Yeah. Why you made her unclean in the eyes of the lord. Yeah. Yeah. Well, did did that Not
that she ate my cheese, but, like, why I was eating her food because that's just so weird.
Did did did that unburden you to tell somebody?
It did. It went it was a lot you know, after I did it, it was a lot better than I obviously thought it was gonna be. Yeah. She was pretty understanding. But to be honest, we didn't really talk that much after that.
No. No. No. You were done. But at least she wasn't mad at you, like, that way.
No. Yeah.
I was like, hey. I'm in therapy. I'm working on it. It's and she's like, okay. As long as you're working on it
You're and then a freshman. Right?
Yeah.
You're a freshman. What she meant was, how did I get this luck? That's what she was thinking. She's like, oh, good. You know I mean?
Yeah. Yeah. And you were thinking the same thing. Like, great. I can't believe this is my situation.
Fine because we were completely different people. Like, I am the type of person who makes my bed every day, and her clothes were, like, never in her drawer all in pile in the corner of the room. And
Yeah. Let's highlight some
she did nights, I think.
Let's highlight some stuff she did wrong.
Well, we're not using her name, right, so I can't.
No. Of course, you can. Partying?
That's not well,
I don't think that's not
college, but student. It's just I I'm not
It's not for you.
I don't it's not for me. Yeah. No.
Okay. Well, listen. I probably got you a lot of quiet. She probably stayed on her side. You stayed on yours then.
Right?
Yes. Or most nights, honestly, she wasn't in the dorm. It was actually rare. I was I would, like, text my parents. I'm like, hey.
Miriam's in the dorm tonight. Like
Oh, now you used her name.
Oh, dang it. Someone says in the dorm tonight. You have to, like, you know, don't call me, a bunch tonight or something like that.
Yeah. I'm gonna make a note here, though, so I can take that out. I I wanna get you in trouble. I got it. Okay.
I got you. Don't worry. Okay. Alright. So then does that push things to a head?
Cycling, and finding the right help31:13
I mean, where are you at? That's not that long ago. Right?
No. Two years now. Two years ago.
Have things changed significantly since then, or are you still in the same fight? Where where are we at?
Yes. I'm not roommates with her.
No. I mean, with eating disorder.
With eating disorder. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
If you were still living with her, that would
be insane.
We don't like each other, but we were great roommates, Scott, so we just kept doing this.
No. No. So, yes, with the with the ED, I still so okay. So I got through freshman year. And at the end of freshman year, it was it was a shit show.
Like, my parents were calling me pretty much every day. We were on FaceTime trying to make sure I wasn't just, like, going to eat food because the food noise was so, so loud. Okay. And so I went home for the summer. Summer was fine kind of towards the part where I was supposed to move back in.
Sophomore year, it kind of the binging ramped up again. And then I went back. And now I've gone through a couple different virtual therapists at this point. One who did not specialize in eating disorders but did specialize in diabetes. And then another one from IDS, actually, nutritionist.
She was she was great. She was helpful, but not exactly a therapist.
Right.
And I also don't think she really understood that I was also an athlete at that point, so I wanted someone who was like, could understand that I wanted to be active as well. And she was like, yeah. Like, eat these homemade something something energy bars.
And still.
And, like, don't eat before your morning workout. I'm like, I need to eat. Like, I need to fuel my workouts. That's what got me here in the first place is not
Were you on a team in school?
No. No. I just I got into cycling towards the end of my senior year of high school, and so I that's kinda, like, my main sport now, I would say, is road cycling. Mhmm. So at that point, I I had done a couple centuries and a couple but it was pretty typical for, like, me and my friends do a long ride on the weekend of, like, over 50 miles.
And
Gosh. Okay.
Yeah.
Well, that's a lot of riding.
It is.
Oh, jeez. Sorry. That threw me off. The 50 miles thing threw me off. I like, where are you going?
You're leaving around town.
Leaving the state? What's happening? Or in The States. Yeah. When you said god.
You said you talked to somebody and blah blah blah. What was I gonna say? Damn it. It my head.
An IDS?
You said you went and talked to somebody. Oh my god. I just blanked. I I blame that dream about the mall.
Are you gonna talk about Jenny?
No. Well, it wasn't Jenny, was it?
No. It wasn't.
No. Because if it was Jenny, you would have said you had a good time and it worked out. Yeah. Oh my god. This is terrible.
Because you woke up at 04:30.
I really think that's why. I apologize to everybody for me losing my thought because I I'm sure I had a really fantastic follow-up question that would have been enlightening, and you would have really enjoyed it unless you're the person who left that review the other day. And then, obviously, I'm just obnoxious and never mind. How am I doing so far? Am I obnoxious, or am I doing okay with your story
so far? Obnoxious never came to my mind
Oh. At all. I'll try harder. Are you dating during this time?
No. No. I still have never had a boyfriend.
Because?
Because I'm shy.
You're shy. Yeah. Really? So there's boys out there. You have your eye on them.
They probably would say yes. But
Yeah. But I
But yeah.
I don't know how to say anything.
I don't know if there for a second. You're like, oh, you know, I don't know. They just they don't wanna say anything to me, and I don't know. You you you turn into, like, an Amish person from Wisconsin. Are you you're I don't do you you want to date?
Yes.
There's a boy that pops to mind when I say this?
Yeah. But listen listen. It doesn't work. It doesn't work because we're at different colleges. And
Well, that works perfectly.
Million miles away. No. It doesn't.
To each other. You can just have sex once in a while. What are you talking about? It doesn't work. It's perfect.
Stop it. It doesn't work. What are you what are you trying to buy a house? What's going on? You young people.
I don't understand you at all. How far away are these other colleges? Well,
listen. I'm in Florida.
Yeah. And Well, you can make it at least 50 miles on a bike.
All my friends are from Ohio. What?
You could make it at least 50 of those miles on a bike and then meet them somewhere.
Uh-huh.
You think a boy wouldn't fly to Florida to have sex? Do you not understand the power you hold? Well, I don't understand what's going on right now, Hannah.
I don't know.
I would rule the world if
I was
a girl. I I mean, I don't I don't think I would do it ethically, but I would rule the world. And so Yeah. Like, why do you, I don't understand. Is it do you have a bad self image?
Wants to go to a coffee shop and talk.
Okay. We'll do that.
Okay. But they're not gonna fly to Florida
for
that.
You don't understand. The boys who would wanna go to a coffee shop also feel the way you feel.
Okay.
And they still wanna do the thing too. You know what I mean? They dorky, these boys? Are they, like, a little dorky, or what do you like?
A little bit.
Okay.
A little bit.
Oh my god. They would easily they'd ride a bus to do it. Are you kidding me?
Oh my gosh.
I don't know why you're I don't know why you're doubting yourself. Is is this in, like, a it's is it a body image thing?
No. No. No. One of them, I don't know if they have a girlfriend or not. I'm confused.
You know how you'll find out? When you ask them to come for coffee. And you go,
you know That's so random.
And then you pause and go, you know, coffee. And then they'll come. That'll be it. What about the apps? Are there door are there hinge for doors?
Been on the apps. I don't
There's no hinge for doors? Work. What do they call that? Is. That's probably LinkedIn, isn't it?
Is that what
that Probably. Yeah.
Yeah. Oh my god. Are you guys having sex on LinkedIn? Is that what's happening? I feel like I might have just figured something out, Hannah.
Maybe. Just a bunch of engineers hooking up on LinkedIn. I don't understand. You're a young person. You seem lovely.
Thank you. I don't sometimes I don't understand either. But
There's gotta be a boy at that Florida school.
Yeah. Maybe. Don't know. The thing is
I don't know what you're saying.
Don't think I wanna stay in Florida because I have found out that I like Ohio by being in Florida. Perfect. Not that I don't like Florida.
But Well, then and then you have what they call a test boy. There's a couple you you run a couple of tests, you know, figure out what you want, what you don't want, then you take that knowledge home to Ohio, and you make some kid buy you a house. I don't this is not difficult. So I don't understand your whole generation. I really don't.
What are you guys thinking about all day? What
am I thinking about? I don't know.
You don't know?
I've been, like, a camp counselor the whole summer.
So Well, that's not oh, camp? Have you not learned anything from that movie with the pie? The pie? American Pie. Camp is that's where you have sex at the camp.
Watch that.
But Well, if you watched it, it would be a how to, and you would know what to do.
It's another thing to add to my watch list.
What kind of camp is it?
So the first one, I do a little day camp in my hometown.
Okay.
I've run that for four weeks in the summer. That one just wrapped up the end of last week. And then now I am at another a diabetes camp. So it's, like, a week long sleepaway camp. And then in two weeks, I have another diabetes camp.
Are there not counselors there your age?
There are.
Hannah, what we want for you is for you to one day be able to start a sentence one time at diabetes camp, and then a story goes in which you have no reference for, but old people listening are laughing their asses off right now, Hannah, just so you know. K. I hear you old people, but they've seen American Pie. You haven't. Oh, actually, now I'm thinking of the rest of that line in that movie.
That's fairly inappropriate. I'm sorry. I'm still calling your episode one time at diabetes camp, though. So you you you must go find people your own age and do social things together and kiss a boy, please, this summer. I demand
Okay. There's not much time left in the summer. You know that?
It doesn't take long to interest a boy. Do do you not know how to do it? You know what to do. Right? You just look at them.
We're incredibly easy. Just look at their general direction, smile, hold your gaze for a half a second, and that's it. You win.
You know what's funny about that is
Tell me.
I can't make eye contact. I mean, I can. But
Yeah. I how do I even fight with you? Me.
No. Because my dad tries to, like we talked about this about a month ago. And now whenever we're, like, having dinner or something, he'll just, like, stare at me and be like, Hannah, look at me. I'm like, I can't do it.
Alright. I'm gonna give you a trick. Eyes. I'm gonna give you a trick. I used to not be able to look people in the eyes.
Can I get a drink before I do the trick?
Yeah. Alright.
Hold on a second. Oh my gosh. You're making me upset. How old are you again? 19.
19. Thank god I'm here. You're gonna waste your whole life without me. Center of their forehead. Just look at the center of their forehead.
But that's not their eyes.
It doesn't matter. They can't tell.
Okay.
Just have a little distance. Look them in the forehead.
Alright.
Stare at their nose.
I'll try it.
Top lip. Just pick a place that's not their eyes around their eyes. K. And just hold that gaze. You'll feel silly for a minute, but just stop.
And then eventually, you'll get used to being face to face with somebody like that. Then you realize these other dorks, they're not comfortable either. They'll look away. You win. It brings you a whole bunch of confidence.
Alright? Now you're in charge. Alright? That's how you get dinner paid for. That's the first step because I don't want you I don't want you paying for dinner.
That's ridiculous. Okay? And I don't care what all you young people I I hear people, we split the check. You're out of your mind. Okay?
That's the only yeah. Like, I not a lot of my friends date, but I the one time I the few times I've heard about it, they're like, yeah. We
No. No. Haddock, your precious lady parts are not for free. Okay? They they they require a nice meal at the very least and and a ride, and I would like somebody to be polite.
Okay?
Mhmm.
You don't just you know, please. Did your parents not explain any of this to you? Again, thank god I'm here. Okay. So I want I want you to choose two boys in your head right now that are at diabetes camp.
No. Yes. And we're gonna take a swing at both of them.
No. God. No. I can't do that right no.
Why not?
First of all. First of all.
Go ahead.
The I the ones at this camp, I don't I don't
They're not like good? They're not the ones you want? No. Alright. Well, back in school then.
One of those Florida boys, they gotta be dumb as a rock, those kids. Right? Who's who's talking right now?
There's some the dietitian team is in this room
as well. Explain to them we're busy. Okay? Don't make me have
to go. Busy. They're trying to prep snacks for a
100 and meals. Are they a podcaster? Are they that kind of important? No. Okay?
Now listen. Listen. Alright. But back to those there's gotta be a dumb boy at school that's pretty. Right?
I You're not married
in bad attracted to
I know. You're not
gonna boys. I'm attracted to boys who are smart and funny.
Okay. So there's gotta be a couple of them. Mhmm. Okay. So picture two of them in your head, and then we decide that we're gonna we're gonna do something before Halloween.
How's that sound? Is that doable?
Okay. Alright. Sure.
I wanna kiss before Halloween with somebody.
Hey.
Have you done that? Hannah. No. Oh, Hannah. Hannah.
Hannah. I wish it was the seventies. I'd I'd I think I'd I'd I'd recommend corporal punishment. I'd I'd you can't do it anymore. You can't hit people anymore.
It's it's one of the shames of of, of the society moving forward. But Yeah. What yo. Oh, Hannah, please. You're lovely.
What are you doing? I
don't know.
Get in the game. Get in the game. Be respectful of yourself. Get in the game. You know what I mean?
Be careful. But, I mean, I don't want I don't want you getting roofied by one of these little dorks. I don't know what they meanwhile, just if they get if they get flighty, you just bring up, Minecraft. Okay? Calms them right down.
You just go you you play Minecraft. They go, you can see how dorky they are from that. That's your measurement stick right there. Okay? Those boys are as easy as could be.
They can't believe you're talking to them. Do you understand? Do you not feel like you're in the power position in this scenario?
I do. I just Well,
then what is happening? I don't
know. I don't I don't know. I'm scared. I don't know.
We're gonna go extinct. I hope you're all happy.
Yeah.
You and your whole silly generation. Who's gonna take care of me when I'm old? I'm not I listen. I'm not joking. If one of your kids doesn't grow up to be an asswiper, what am I gonna do when I'm 80?
Good question.
You gotta get on this, Hannah. For me, not for you. For me. Do understand? I need a quality person working at the at the at the gas station.
I need I need I need I need to meet a nice person when I'm buying insurance later. These are your children that are gonna do that.
Well, that's true. It's true.
Alright, Hannah. Let's move on to the next subject. But, honestly, I think we should stop talking, and then you should come back once you've had a a relationship you can tell me about a little bit.
Why she works diabetes camp46:31
Probably.
You're not you're not sexually confused. Right? It's definitely boys. No. Okay.
No. It's definitely guys.
Because sometimes that could slow it down. You know what I mean?
Yeah. Yeah.
That's not your thing?
No.
Why would you not use an app? I know why I wouldn't. Tell me why you wouldn't.
Because I don't trust that people are being truthful on an app.
And if they're being truthful on purpose.
That desperate, why like, I don't want somebody who's desperate. I want somebody who actually likes me.
Mhmm. And we can picture who those people are?
I don't know if they like me.
How would you find out? Stare at their lip, hold their attention, make them a little uncomfortable. Okay. And then that makes them they get, like, butterflies. You understand how it all works?
And then and then have you never seen an after school special? Just do what you see on television. It works fine. And then and then you then you say, hey. What are you doing later?
We should blah blah blah. And if they say no, that's because there's something wrong with them, not you. And then you move to the next one. You move to the next one like a frog hopping across stones. You ever see Frogger?
You never play that game? I don't
know what Frogger is.
You do know what Frogger is?
Yes.
Alright. That's you. You're the frog. It's
like Crossy Road.
Yeah. Yeah. Just me.
Road is the modern version.
Crossy Road? Who names this stuff? What is wrong with you people? What was wrong with
the played it.
It's called Crossy Road?
Yeah. And you you get, like, different avatars. And
Yeah. Across the road.
I was really good at it. Yes. But, well, roads and lakes and Yeah. Yeah.
Crazy. Prager. But, like, my my question is is, like, who would call it Crossy Road? Did they give it to a person with a head injury and say, what do you wanna call this?
Possibly.
Let's call it Crossy Road. Okay.
Thanks, Billy. It makes well, the issue is it's not all frogs, so it's like don't know.
I like how you're thinking it through. They can't call it frogger, Scott. It's not all frogs. This is the second fantastic conversation I've had with a 19 year old this month, really proving to me that I am not very mature. Okay.
So alright. I'm looking at your list about stuff you wanna talk about. What what tell me I I do wanna know about this. Did you go to diabetes camp as a kid?
The feeling of being all in it together49:04
No. No. I didn't. Why are you working
at one? How'd that come to be?
Because I actually don't know. So last year, that's
all this happening to you. Go go ahead.
I don't know life. So last summer, I was like, I kind of feel like volunteering more. So I Nice. Looked I just Googled for, like, diabetes camps in my area, and I found one near me, Corletts, which is run by the ADA. And I went for that week in the summer, and I absolutely loved it.
Mhmm. It was so much fun. My co counselor was amazing. Docs were amazing. I just had a blast even as a counselor.
And so now the next after that, I googled, like, other diabetes camps in my area. So I found another local one, which is where I'm at right now. Mhmm. Last summer, their applications were closed by the time I looked, but I got on it this summer, and, yeah, we're on day two of six, I think. Very nice.
You like helping the kids? You like being there for yourself? Is there value for you and for them? What do
you what
do you find?
Yes. Yeah. I love being in a group of all diabetics. I can't tell you why. It's just it's a nice feeling that I get Yeah.
Just knowing that everybody's blood sugar is and we're all here surviving it together. I don't know. It's true, though. It's like, I I can see everybody's numbers on my phone, and it's, like, all over the board. But they're all having a great time, so it's it's
fun. Freeing? Does it feel freeing?
Freeing? No. It it feels more like, I don't know how to describe it. Like Inclusive? No.
Like like
I have a thesaurus here if you want me to keep going. Like,
what's Saul?
Better Call Saul?
Same team. Wait. What?
No. What? No. What are you gonna say? Say something, Hannah.
Solitary is not the word, but it's it starts with an s. It's like Solidarity. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Is that the word? Yeah. I think so.
I have such a grave vocabulary for a moron. I'll tell you that right now. Like like, you're all in it together.
Yeah. Yeah.
Solidarity. A feeling of solidarity. Yeah. Thank god you're not an English major. That would be embarrassing.
I I know. Yeah.
Oh, that's nice. So I can tell you that while I do not have diabetes, I have had a number of experiences this summer and in the past watching people with type one all get together in the same place, and it is incredibly heartwarming.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Because you just went on the cruise. Right?
Juice Cruise. That's correct. Yeah. Up now for juicecruise2027 at juiceboxpodcast.com/juicecruise. Thank you, Hannah.
Well done.
Mhmm.
We're gonna be going out of the area down there near you. What is that? Port Canaveral in 2027. Oh. Yeah.
On a Norwegian line or five days. Feel free to come out.
Should.
It was a good time, honestly. And and we're gonna we're pushing to have a bigger group this year. So
Yeah. Is it just diabetics or, like, diabetics and family?
It's it's such an interesting mix. I think the youngest type one was eight. I think the oldest one was in their seventies this time. Okay. There were people there who had type one for over fifty years.
There were people who had type one for eight months. Wow. And their families, there were people in their no kidding, type ones, children, teens, people in their thirties, forties, fifties, sixties, seventies. It was such an interesting mix of people. And Yeah.
Yeah. And everyone just got along just like rain. It was beautiful. You know how they say right as rain? I don't know what right as rain means, but that's how they got along.
Instant calm, instant sense of meshing that I saw didn't take didn't take them five minutes to get used to each other and to get comfortable. And then by the end of the week, people are hugging and just having the greatest time. Mhmm. Yeah. So you're getting that at camp.
Oh, yeah. Definitely. Like, we haven't made it to the end of this week, obviously, but I remember at the end of Corlette's last year, like, the last day is always so emotional. The kids become so attached to the counselors and just there's so much love. I mean, it is like a family that you build in, like, a week, and it's it's crazy.
Yeah. It is wonderful.
I can't tell you how touching it is to be around it and how, I'll be serious for a second
k.
And how grateful I feel to be there as basically the only one there that oddly doesn't belong there, but is the only reason it's happening. I I'm in a weird position. Do you know what I mean?
Yeah.
Yeah. I've I I'm, what they call the founder of the feast, and at the same time, I don't know how to cook. So, it's a it's an interesting, little is it a paradox? Why would I ask you? You couldn't think of solidarity.
You know what I mean?
I know what a paradox is. But
Oh, oh, fine. It is
well, it's interesting because you do know how to cook. Like, you are the author of the cookbook as well. So
Aw. Thank
you. It's I don't know. It is weird. Like, I think if you got diabetes right now, you'd be fine.
Me? Yeah. I mean, I'd either either I would end up being such a poser and just, like, fall apart, or I'd think I'd be exceptionally good at it, one or the other.
No. You'd be fine. Because another story I have that people might or may not wanna hear is my mom got diagnosed two a little over two years ago
Her mom's diagnosis, sixteen years later55:09
Mhmm.
In April, which I guess is probably not surprising to you because you've talked to so many people. But she got type one, I guess, lotta. I don't really know what her classification is.
But You talk to her?
Kinda weird. What?
You talk to your mom? Are you friendly?
Oh, yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. And so she's she's diagnosed type one how many years after you? I loved it when you
said two.
When you, like, stretch out the word two, I was like, oh, I can't
believe it. Was 17. Like
You mean, like, a year old?
17. Sixteen years after me?
Yeah. Mm-mm. How old is she now?
She is in her late fifties.
Any of her brothers or sisters have, like, Hashimoto's, celiac, stuff like that?
Nope. She has one brother. He and his family seem to be fine. Her dad, her biological father, had type one. Uh-oh.
There you go. So we just assumed it, like, skipped a generation and landed on me, but apparently not. It was just waiting to to happen in her.
Like Frogger. He's just jumping all over the place.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like that.
Awesome. I bet your brother's thrilled. He's probably like, uh-oh. Oh, yeah. Don't you think?
No. Well, that's why we got him tested after my mom got diagnosed. Or my endo was like, your whole family needs to get tested. Why has this not happened yet? And he did it.
They were fine. Actually, I don't think my dad got tested still, but my brother did. He's fine.
Yeah. Your dad's like, this isn't me. This is these suckers I I hitched my wagon to. This isn't Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Wow. How's your mom handling it?
As far as I know, wonderfully. I mean, she had, obviously, years of experience managing it, and I got a little emotional because I was sad for her. But other than that, it was a very brief blip in, you know, the spring. And she was like, hey. I just found out I have diabetes.
And I was like, you what?
Hannah, can I share a secret with you? Okay. Your mom is being brave for you.
Yeah. Yeah. I figured that one. Isn't that nice? It is nice.
Yeah. I think she does that a lot.
You should check on her. Yeah. Let her feel like she can you're you know, she doesn't have to hide. I'm full of great advice that you won't take any of it.
No. I will. I will try.
We'll see.
I'm going to try. Mhmm.
We'll see. I have I have two things you need to get done before this summer is over. Mhmm. And one of them is talk to your mom.
Yeah.
And the other one, don't want your mom to my mom. I don't want your mom around for. Do you understand?
Right.
Okay. Keep going. What about your mom?
But I my mom is both my parents are amazing. Like, they're always my biggest supporters. We're actually after this camp ends, my mom and I are going to a Benson Moon concert. I'm so excited about that.
Is that the backflip guy?
It is the backflip guy.
That's all I know about him. Mhmm. Oh, wait. Yeah. Hey.
Hey. I want you on that one. Right? I want you. I need you.
That one
That's supposed to be
He goes like things. Yeah. Yeah. That's it. Right?
You know it. I mean, I'm not I'm not musical, but, like, at all, obviously.
Clearly.
I know how to talk to a girl. Okay? So don't mock me. Alright? Yeah.
The flippy guy. He flips off of things. Mhmm. If he didn't flip off of something, I wouldn't know it was him. Also, he's hit that terrible
mustache. Good music. You should listen to him.
I I can't be bothered.
Yeah. I'm not a fan of that. I'm not a fan of mustaches in general.
Well, not that one. That's what they call a porn stache. You understand? Have you ever heard that phrase? No.
Really? Oh, you're so young. He looks like a he looks like a seventies porn star with that stupid mustache. You don't know the phrase porn stash? Don't Google that.
I don't know what happened.
Listen. I probably most of my friends do, but I do feel like that I am not always up on my generation's culture of
That's not your generation. That's barely my generation.
Okay. Well Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. At multiple summer camps, people will talk about things.
I'm like, what's that? What's that? What's that? Check on Instagram. I don't really like, I I just don't I don't know.
My Instagram is full of nutrition and running, and it's like, I need to get a new account because
you don't listen to me right now, you're gonna be 34 when you get married. Do you understand? I feel like you want a family.
Yeah.
I can tell about you. Am I right?
K. Yeah. Yeah. I do. I have thought about like, I don't know
I mean, you know how it happens. Right?
If if people yes.
Okay. Alright.
If but, like, do I want to bring a kid into the world who might have diabetes? I don't know.
Oh, I mean, you could bring a kid in the world who might get hit by a car. Or Yeah. Yeah.
That's true.
Or whatever.
It's less likely, though.
Might look down one day and go, my thighs look weird. I mean, there's a lot of things that might happen. You can't plan for that stuff.
That's true.
Yeah. You just gotta get in the game. Start swinging hands. See what happens.
Okay.
Yeah. It's not gonna go well. Can I be clear? Sorry. Excuse me.
That's you're not help you're not convincing me.
Every no. You're missing the point. It's not gonna go well compared to your idea that it should go perfectly. Yeah. But nothing goes perfectly.
Literally nothing
That's true.
For anyone ever, ever, ever, ever. Think of the most famous person you can think of. Who is it? Say their name out loud. God, do you even know famous people at your generation anymore?
It's not somebody on Instagram who's bouncing their ass like an actual famous person. Like, not me. I can't believe people think I'm famous. That's ridiculous.
I don't know. Well, I thought of Benson Boone because we just talked to people.
I know. Well, I figured you're gonna do that. Was trying to get you to stretch, though. Like, think of an actor that's actually famous.
Oh, I don't know actor names. I'm terrible at
that. What's your favorite movie?
TV show? Games.
Wait. War games?
Hunger Games.
I thought you said war games. I'm like, you're bringing up a Matthew Broderick film from the eighties? It's happening. Was it Matthew Broderick? Shall we play a game?
I don't wait. Was that Matthew Broderick? Do know who Matthew Broderick
is? Is.
Matthew Broderick's an old man who's married to the lady from Sex and the City.
I have also never seen that show.
Carrie if I say Carrie Bradshaw, you don't know what I'm talking about?
I've heard the name, but I don't know who.
No. Do you know Devil Wears Prada?
Yes. But I've never I haven't seen it. My friends have.
You have not seen the Devil Wears Prada? No. My watch list. Films ever?
Sorry.
What have you done with your life?
Listen. I did watch I did start watching and finish New Girl because you and Arden were talking about it on those End. End? I don't understand. I loved it.
I loved it. That was so funny.
So listen to me about the other stuff. I'll get your whole life set up in ten minutes. Okay. It was Matthew Broderick. Oh, Ali Sheedy was in that.
Oh, look at the eighties coming back. Okay. Hold on a second. Alright. Now forget word names.
You liked Hunger Games, you said?
Yeah. That was good.
Alright. And what's that girl's name in the Hunger Games? That that's Hall. The the the girl.
Know her face. I just don't know her.
Are fascinating. Oh my god. I love you. Hold on. We're
I'm sorry. Don't be sorry.
You we're talking about Jennifer Lawrence.
Yes.
And she seems like she has a good life. Right?
She does.
Except, you know, one time somebody hacked her iCloud account and released videos of her having sex with a guy?
That sucks.
Right. So nothing goes well is what I'm trying to explain to you. And see how I got there, and I just put it all together for you really quickly. Mhmm. So even for somebody like her who seems awesome and, and, like, she might be having a great life, something went wrong for her along the way.
Right?
Yeah.
Yeah. So it's gonna happen to everybody. You can't plan around perfection.
K.
Find a person who's nice to you, who you love, and that you like, and that you can tolerate, and then see if they feel the same way about you. Then do it again and again, and either it works or it doesn't work, you get to have sex while you're doing it. That's the fun part. They buy you dinner. Right?
Once in a while, you say, you know what? I'll pay for my dinner myself tonight. That's fine if you wanna be what they call a modern person. I don't care. I personally take the free meal.
Okay? And and then you you you troll them around a little bit. You decide. You you break up with them. You get a different one.
You do another time. You bang bang boom around. Then all of a sudden, the the the stuff inside you lines up. You go, oh god. I gotta have a baby.
And then then you just land on whichever one you're with at the time, and that's fine. And then you make a baby. Okay? And then you're broke, and then you try to buy a house. You put down a rug that you don't know how to do, and you do a whole bunch of stuff like that, and then you die.
Like, that's the whole thing. But you gotta get in there, or you're just gonna you just get you'll just die. Do you understand?
Okay.
No. What do you want to happen? What do you think is gonna everybody thinks you're gonna be an influencer. What do you think is gonna happen?
I don't wanna be an influencer. I want nothing to do with people knowing my Instagram account.
Yeah. I gotta tell you something.
Although, I do like my Instagram account. But
I don't wanna bad mouth anybody, so I'm probably not gonna say anything. But a lot of influencers around me the other day and wasn't comfortable. So and then somebody says to me, you're an influencer. And I said, I am not take that back.
You are.
That you know. That you know. You don't know
You are an influencer in the diabetes space.
You don't know one of them that before. You don't know one of the most popular actresses of the last fifteen years, but you you know, boom, like that. There was no pause. No, it starts with s. None of that happened.
On influence, and doing it for the right reason1:05:34
Nope. I don't know how to look anybody in the eye. You're completely direct about that. Why am I an influencer? Because
you have a presence in the diabetes community, a lot of people listen to you. I think that's the only requirement is that you are online and people listen to you.
I think the word has a negative connotation. You don't, do you?
I don't, personally. I could see how people could think it does.
Yeah. Pretty old. I saw war games in that theater.
So Yeah.
I don't know. Mhmm. Remember when Matthew Broject was just a guy that hit somebody with a car in Europe, allegedly. Sorry. Allegedly, from what I heard on the Internet.
Don't look that up or do. It's up to you. Now, I don't like that idea. I really think I because I don't I because it feels like the word influencer to me feels like somebody who's trying to create something out of nothing, and it's more about them than the thing they're doing. Or the thing they're
I would say you're right about the first part and sometimes the second part. But, like, what's the difference between a dietitian who's trying to share, like, good advice on the Internet versus a, quote, unquote, nutritionist influencer, if you wanna use the negative connotation of the word, who's just spreading like keto diet.
Because I think that person in the back of their head wants to get a certain amount of clicks and sell them to TikTok or Instagram or hopes that some company will come along and do a brand deal with them.
Right.
Yeah. I don't think like that.
It just works So what do you consider yourself?
Well, thank you for asking a probing question. Let me get a drink while I think. Hold on a second. Always talk about the first part. I never think about this far.
Hold on. Contextually, I'm a guy whose kid got diagnosed with type one diabetes, didn't know what he was doing, figured it out, and then thought I should tell other people about this Mhmm. In a time where none of the things that you're talking about now existed. I I wasn't doing it thinking that, like, I'd make money or that someone would offer me a free waffle maker to say that I like their waffle maker or anything like that. As a matter of fact, the extent of which that you could make money back then with a blog was that you could put what they called a Google AdSense ad on your on your blog, and that would might make you $5 a month.
Like, it was like, it was that. Right? Nobody would have come along and, like, there's no such thing as a brand deal. Like, there were some companies back then trying to give away insulin pumps to bloggers, but you had to already be using the pump. And I've already told a story recently about the fact that that happened to me, and I turned them down because I was like, we don't need that.
Like, that's silly. Mhmm. And then the because we had insurance. And then the whole thing kept growing, and it's ruining everything, Hannah. Is the everything this I'm actually May I?
Can I go on for a second?
Mhmm.
Don't tune out, everybody. I'm gonna explain the world to you. It's okay to laugh. It's fine. So when I was blogging, when I very first started to blog, there were not many people blogging about diabetes.
As a matter of fact, there were very few.
Mhmm.
And then by the time it got to its crescendo, there were over 4,000 people writing a diabetes blog. And I remember that when that happened, I thought, oh, that's gonna ruin this whole space because now there's too many voices, too many options. People are gonna feel overwhelmed, and instead of choosing, they're not gonna read anything. And by and by the way, that happened. Okay?
Then I started making this podcast because I had to stop blogging because people stopped reading. And then there was nobody else doing it, really. And then I my recollection is I got an ad, then some other people had the bright idea to start a diabetes podcast. And so a couple other people started them. And over the years, many, many hundreds of people have started a diabetes type one diabetes podcast.
Most of them have failed. Mhmm. There are a few left. Yep. I would I would argue with you that they don't download the same rate as me.
They're I'm they're lovely people, and I'm sure they're doing great for the people that are listening to them. I would tell you that I am I am mine is heard at a at a rate that is much greater than theirs. Oh, yeah. I'm guessing.
Do listen to any other diabetes podcasts?
I have never heard another diabetes podcast. Really? Yeah. Never once.
Don't care. So interesting. Yeah. You should.
No. Why?
Because they have interesting conversations. Do you listen back to all your conversations?
No. Some of them.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
I don't know. They're just it's interesting. Like, that's why I listen to your podcast. It's just to hear other people's stories. It might be interesting for you once in a while just to hear another conversation that you're not a part of.
No. I don't think so. No? I I I don't want I I would there's a couple things. I would never want anybody to think that I heard a thing they said and then I said it.
I know.
I have a very specific idea of what entertaining is. I would probably just get irritated and annoyed very quickly. And even if it wasn't a diabetes podcast, the thing that happens to me often when I'm listening to somebody else interview somebody is the interviewee says something, and I think of a question to ask. And then the interviewer does not ask that question, and then I just get I just get irritated.
I see.
So, also, I don't care what other people think.
Okay. I figured you might say that one.
I hope that's clear enough. It is. Yeah. Yeah. And not because they're wrong or anything like that.
I just I'm No.
You just don't care.
I'm just really not interested.
I know. I listened to your whole spiel about oh, what episode was it where you were talking about, like it was with with the therapist, and it was it was a pretty short episode. Yeah. It was with Erica. And you're you're talking about, like, why you make the podcast, and then you got this some person saying you do it for just to get attention.
And you were like, I don't think that's why I do it. And then there was this whole
Yeah. I don't I don't care
about exploration. Yeah.
I I don't I don't care about I I care about one part of this. I care about, like, people doing better. Yeah. That's that's the really genuinely the part I care about. I could tell you that it, you know, it is a business, and it does make money, and that's awesome.
I assume that'll stop one day. I do love talking, and I don't know what the hell I would do if I wasn't making a podcast. I assume my wife would literally kill me. And so, I think she just one day, she'd go, he won't stop, and then I'd be dead. That that's, I assume, how it would end.
Yeah. And and so I I like it for an outlet for myself. I enjoy thinking out loud. I I I mean, it's nice that people are entertained by it, and it's but it's nicer that they're helped by it. Yes.
I get a lot of satisfaction of knowing that one day somebody will stop listening because they don't need it anymore, and they're doing okay. It makes me it makes me happy. Mhmm. I hope that, like, my inability to sound sincere sometimes doesn't stop me from being sincere from being taken as sincere here.
No. I don't think it does. Because there are I will tell you the other diabetes podcasts that I've listened to, I I find them lacking a sense of humor, and so they get boring a little bit a little bit.
Yeah. No. I have what you might call a personality. And you can you can like it or not like it. That's fine.
But, listen. I'll tell you the same thing I I told people back during the blogging times. I used to get fascinated that somebody would sit down and write a, like, a a blog, and it was very clearly coming from someone's living room. And then they'd get a little popular, and the first thing they would do is shine it up, and all of a sudden their blog looked like a, yeah, I don't know, like a a pharma website. And then they started using different language and only saying things they thought they were supposed to say because now people were listening, and I was I don't know.
That they they're listening because of the way you were speaking before. Like, why would you change that now? That's ridiculous. But there's a pressure that comes on you when you think people are looking. Mhmm.
I am not burdened with that pressure because I really don't care. Okay? So but back to my spiel, as you said. Would you pick that up when you were eating the girl's, kosher food? That's that's that's a joke literally for one person who will later text me and say that was awesome.
So Okay. So so there's too many blogs. It kills blogging. What it really does is it stops some people who were really putting valuable stuff in the world from putting valuable stuff in the world. I am super afraid that's gonna happen with social media too.
I like Okay? You don't think it already has?
Oh, no. It's real close. I might be one of the few people holding it together. I'm not even I don't even think I'm joking. Okay?
Like, I've I've created a giant ecosystem in the diabetes community Mhmm. Made up of hundreds of thousands of people, and it's run by an adult. Sure. I don't sound like an adult. I spent twenty minutes trying to talk a 19 year old into having sex or but that's not the point.
Mhmm. Okay? I'm an actual adult who who who is not out there just trying to get somebody to give me a free waffle maker. Do understand what I'm saying? Or, like, send me lashes that I'll put on and say that I I don't know.
Whatever people do. I don't care. Okay? I'm literally trying to create a place where people can go hear an entertaining conversation where they might take a few things about their diabetes out of it. One way or the other.
It doesn't matter how that happens to me. I think that I think this is an important voice in a space. And and and that means all of your voices who come on and and add to it. And I think that I've built a megaphone that's big enough that I can draw you all in and let you tell your stories. Mhmm.
If we all get focused on a bent leg and an arched back for a click or a like or a view, you're going to ruin this the way they ruin the blogs. And I might be too old to figure out how to do it again. So be careful or it's just gonna be a bunch of bedazzled videos that people watch the first six seconds of that you go back to your boss. Now I'm speaking directly to some people that you go back to your boss and say, look. We got 10,000 views on this one.
Because I'm gonna tell you there are 10,000 meaningless numbers on the bottom of a video. Mhmm. Mhmm. Does that all make sense, Yep. Go find a boy with that level of thought and smile at him a little bit.
It can't be me. I'm much too old, and I'm married. And there's a lot of other reasons. But, like, but, seriously, you gotta you gotta you gotta save this thing. It's helping people, and we're giving it away for views.
Yeah.
The then and it's it's not it's not good. And people the people in control of can they could stop it. They could stop giving people money to bend their knee and smile and arch their back. And if they'd stopped doing that, they might actually put some content out in the world that would help somebody.
Maybe.
All I have. I that's me being old and bitchy. Okay? But when it happens Hannah, let me tell you something. Three and a half years ago, I was talking about GLPs for type ones.
Ahead of the curve, and getting yelled at1:17:32
I got I got yelled at about it. Now now today, there's a study that's about to come out. I can't say where I know about that from, and it's gonna talk all about that. Finally. Okay.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's when I started my podcast in 2015, I was talking about how to use insulin. A whole diabetes community yelled at me.
You can't you can't tell people how you manage your daughter's diabetes. You're gonna hurt somebody. Nay. Turns out I helped hundreds of thousands of people. I'm ahead of this the I'm on the what they call the tip of the spear.
You ever heard that saying? I'm out on the edge of the surfboard. I'm a little ahead. I don't know why. Okay?
And it eventually catches up to me. When it catches up to me, you know who says thank you? Not a goddamn soul. That's fine, Hannah. Okay.
You know who I saw on the Mark Hayman podcast this morning? You know that glucose goddess girl?
No. But I should.
She talks about, like, eating in a certain order to change your digestion, how it helps regular people. But I had her on to talk about it because people with type one diabetes are also regular people. I had her on three and a half years ago. This morning, I saw her on one of the most popular medical podcasts in the world. Three and a half years later.
Okay? I ask yourself, what are you hearing Scott say right now that you disagree with that that three and a half years from now, you're gonna go, I agree with that totally, but forget to come and apologize to Scott. You wanna know what the answer is, Hannah? We already know what it is. Do you know?
Keep It's AI.
Doing it.
It's AI. Oh. That's the thing that three years from now, you're gonna love that you hate me for now. No. I don't
I don't hate you for now.
Not you.
I noticed that a lot of your emails you write are chat g p t.
I don't use the chat g p t.
Yes. You you did one time. You did.
I did one time?
Yeah. When you responded to me, was, like, a while ago.
I tried a whole bunch of different stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Like, at some point, like, I like, oh, you're talking about the emails. Oh.
Oh. Oh. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I sometimes I have to answer, like, 400 emails at a time.
Yeah. Yeah. So at one point, I was like, I I I I can't do this. And so I tried that out. I don't think I've done it in a while, but No.
I would, and I don't have any trouble with it. Not for me. For you people, you should write, but I write other stuff.
I do.
This is not my point. My point is is that you are in the same situation right now personally, Hannah. Mhmm. You can either listen to me today or wait three years and realize I was right, but you'll be 23 by then. An old maid.
Do understand? It'll be too late. Your ovaries will give up. It happens very young nowadays because of the blue light from the phone. It's all very technical.
I can't explain it all to you.
Okay? ChatGPT can.
Yeah. Oh, please. Just ask the machine. Okay. What do we need to talk about about your diabetes before we give up on this?
I don't know. There's a lot of things we could talk about. I will say that I did, I am on Monroe because of your podcast mostly.
A GLP, food noise, and where she is now1:20:43
Good common sense too, Hannah. Tell people.
Mhmm. Yeah.
Tell them what it's doing.
I will. Well, you mean, like, right now?
Yeah. Do it.
Oh, well, okay. So two reasons. One was because of diabetes in general, and then the other one was because of the ED and to calm the food noise.
I was waiting for you to say that. I didn't wanna allude to it. When you said food noise, I thought she's gonna say she's on a GLP now, and it's helping. What are you gonna say? Say your thing.
Yeah. It is. That's that's the the the biggest thing. So I started on it in January. And immediate like, the first day after I took it, I was like, This is weird.
I don't wake up and immediately want to eat all of the almonds in my pantry. This is
cool. Awesome.
It's great. And that was on, like, the lowest dose, two point five,
I think. Two point five.
And then never got nauseous or anything. Like, I I've just I've had a great experience with it. Couple months later, I contacted the NP who prescribed it. I was like, hey. I it's kind of wearing off.
I'm getting used to it. You know?
Let's go to five.
And yeah. So that's that's kinda where I'm chilling at right now. It's been great. No complaints. I I do think it's helping.
I don't really know if it's helping with the diabetes. I think it probably is. My insulin needs haven't changed a ton, to be honest, because I've always been on a relatively low amount of insulin for
I would say that if you're not an insulin resistant person Yeah. Then you're not gonna see a big change in your insulin needs. Right. Right. You're probably seeing a slight change because your eating's probably changed.
Yes. Right. And your weight difference is like
Has your weight changed?
A little bit.
Okay.
It's gone down a little bit because at the end of sophomore year, I was technically in the overweight BMI category for what that's worth. And then now I'm around one forty or something, which I like
Okay.
With the amount of activity I'm doing. And
You feel like that's a good your body structure is good the way it is right now? Yeah. That's awesome. Yeah. No.
That's well, my point was if you lost a little weight, it might change your insulin needs too.
That's true. Yeah. Haven't noticed that a lot, but it
Maybe this goes.
Either way. Yeah.
What else do you think it's helping you with? Is it just the I mean, not that that wouldn't be enough, but do you are you seeing any other benefits?
No. It's mainly those two, I would say. Those are the main things.
Age pains, inflammation, anything like that?
I never had
You're not more any of that.
Really? No.
I just saw a whole thing about a whole thing. I don't wanna be too technical when I'm speaking, Hannah. But I just saw a whole thing about people with RA who are saying that the GLP is helping them.
Mhmm. That's cool. Mhmm.
And they said the the the people I saw talking about it, I think it was a Facebook group, are talking about, like, they had to get to a certain dose, and then they're having a lot of alleviation of, like, the pain they're having.
That's awesome. Yeah.
So I love that you did that, and that's because of me?
Well, you kinda started sparked the idea. Mhmm. And then there was Ginger Viera. I'm sure you know who she is.
Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Been talking about it too?
She yes. She talks about it all the time. Awesome. After and also my therapist who you've actually had on the podcast before, doctor Beth Braun. I don't know if you remember talking to her or not.
I I just talked to her a few weeks ago.
Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I listened to her podcast too.
I like, oh, this is fun. I just found your podcast. She was like, oh, it's finally out. But, yeah, I she was also a supporter of the GLP ones, and so all of that combined. My parents reached out to the guy who does Ginger's GLP, Chris, and he was like, yeah.
Let's let's do it.
You're able to get it from somebody. Are you paying cash?
I it's mostly most of the time covered by insurance.
Oh, your parents you're still on your parents' insurance?
Yes.
Yeah. I'm used to young people having terrible insurance when they're on their own, but you're with your parents still. Yes. Yeah. My quick little checky check.
Rheumatoid arthritis appears to improve in some people taking GLP one drugs, and it may be more than just pressure on joints from weight loss. 2025 UCLA study followed people with RA and overweight or obesity. A hundred and seventy three patients who took the GLP one drug had greater improvements in RA disease activity, pain, CRP, ESR, weight, and cholesterol than forty two people who were prescribed one but never started it. Possible reasons may include reduced inflammatory signaling, including the NFKB pathway, less inflammatory activity from fat tissue, improved insulin resistance metabolic inflammation, and weight loss helped existing RA treatments work more effectively. Laboratory and animal research also suggests some anti inflammatory effects occur independently of weight loss.
It's important. But but yeah. See? One day, they'll just spray out airplanes on you. Mhmm.
Just like they do with the fields that keep the bugs off them.
Pesticides?
Yeah. I mean okay. Bad example. Bad example, Hannah. But you know what I'm saying.
I think it's gonna be more readily available one day for people for a number of different reasons. Also, they shouldn't have any trouble getting it through the FDA because Eli Lilly is now worth as much as 17 small countries. So Oh. I'm assuming they have the money to do the studies.
Yes.
Have you not seen this? No. Eli Lilly's value
bad at following news.
Yeah. Yeah. It's so their value is bigger than, like, a number of countries, GDPs. Yeah.
Okay. I'm not surprised, but that's cool.
Yeah. Well, I'm super happy it's helping you. That's awesome. Yeah. Really good for you.
Yeah. As soon as you said it a long time I didn't wanna lead you to it, but and I so I was like, oh, because I thought people would be like, he always says GLP. That's what I thought I was gonna say gonna happen, but instead you said it. Alright. Yeah.
You're awesome. Go back and and and and I know you said no boys at this camp, so it's fine. But think of think of this think of the ones think it's fine. It's fine. But, I mean, it's a long summer.
It's only July.
It's I know. But after after my second diabetes camp, it's like it's, like, couple weeks, and then they go back to Florida. I'm all over the place.
Are you in Ohio right now? I am. Where the boys at the camps
are in.
What are you doing? What do you why do you lie to me? Why do I I thought we had a better relationship while I felt like you misled me now just now. No. No.
No. No. No. What? Well, find the boy the Ohio boy.
But Brush up against him.
You just put your hand on his back. He'll melt.
Oh god. That's weird.
It's not weird. It'll melt. You just put your hand on him when you're talking to him. Look him in the face for five seconds and ask him what he's doing later. And the answer will be buying you a house, Hannah.
Okay? Like, just do it. You don't want a house? Is that the problem? When you want an apartment, ask him for an apartment then.
I'm telling you, he's gonna be within your spell at that point. Do you understand? Have you not seen a wait. I don't you haven't seen a movie.
That's probably a bad question to ask me.
Go watch 13 rom coms from the nineties, and then do one of the things they did in one of them. Okay? And then it'll be fine. You'll be you'll be all done.
K.
Your generation is going to make the planet bereft of human beings if you're not careful. Please listen to me. I was right about the diabetes blogging thing. Okay?
Okay.
Hannah, you're fantastic.
Thank you.
I paused so you could say something nice about me, but it didn't happen. That's fine. You
seem to have enough self confidence.
That's it, girl. Alright. Hold on a second. You're done, but you're coming back on the show one day. You promise?
Alright.
Alright.
When I have a boyfriend or something?
I don't wanna hear about that. That seems inappropriate. Wanna hear about that. No. No.
But I I when you have something, I don't know what. Okay. You should just come back one day.
Alright. Alright? I like your I definitely will then.
Alright. Hold on. I have to talk to you after make sure you're okay with all this.
K.
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