#1533 Multiple Wars on Multiple Fronts

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Die-hard fan Sabrina joins the fight across algorithms, skeptics, and influencers to amplify diabetes truths through the podcast.

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Scott Benner 0:00
Welcome back, friends. You are listening to the Juicebox Podcast.

Sabrina 0:15
Hi, my name is Sabrina. I am 33 years old, and I have had type one diabetes for 27 years.

Scott Benner 0:23
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Sabrina 1:31
Hi. My name is Sabrina. I am 33 years old, and I have had type one diabetes for 27

Scott Benner 1:37
years. 27 years, wow, were you like six?

Sabrina 1:40
I was, yeah, good math.

Scott Benner 1:42
Oh, I don't know. It's a seven, three goes to 10, and then you're, it's not that hard. We were doing that the other day in what were you doing? We were playing a game, the hell's, I think it's a board game. Was called worst case scenario, which was fun. Like ever you picked five random cards, you laid them out, they had, like, horrible things, like on them, like swim with sharks to, like, just crazy stuff. And then you had to rate them one through five, and then the other players had to guess how you would rate them. It was fun, and fun, yeah, it's a good time. So you keep score, like, you know, and you know, have a bunch of rounds. So by the time you're done, like, you have a four, you have a three, you have a five, you have a two, like, everything. And we're like, trying to, like, meanwhile, it's like, it's my like, who even cares who won, right? But we're adding up the score. And I was like, Can I have that? Because they were like, writing it out. One person was like, let me get a calculator, like, this kind of thing. And I just took the paper. I am not known as a math wizard in my home. And so, like, I just took the paper, and I was like, four, 610, 313, eight, and I just added the line of numbers up very quickly. And I everyone looked at me like, what's going on? I was like, Oh, this is, like, the one math thing I can do. I was like, I can add a ton of like, random numbers together visually. And they were like, Oh, we didn't think you had any math skills whatsoever.

Sabrina 3:06
Gotta love your family.

Scott Benner 3:08
They were stunned. And like, one of them looked at me, and I was like, Do you feel compelled to check the answer? And my son goes a little. I was like, listen, it's like, the one thing I can do. So he says, I don't understand. Why are you so good at that? And I told him, it's be it's how I used to cover for not understanding multiplication when I was little interesting. Yeah. So I didn't know my times tables. Do they teach you? You're 33 year old.

Sabrina 3:35
I learned my time stables. Yeah,

Scott Benner 3:37
yeah. We had this guy. He's probably dead now. His name was sagola. That was his last name, and he was a horrible little man, very mean. And every Friday would give you a simple times table quiz with 100 on. There was 100 questions, and they were rapid fire, and I would get 70 of them. I think I would get the ones and the twos right. I want to be clear, this was like fourth grade. So my point is, I should have been able to do like, three times six, and I was so bad at it. And then what everyone you got wrong, you had to go home over the weekend and write it out 10 times. So I'd get 70 wrong and have to sit down all and write out 700 multiplication problems. Did

Sabrina 4:23
you just do that multiplication 70 times? Yes, thank

Scott Benner 4:27
you. I did. I'm proud

Sabrina 4:29
of you. Scott, no,

Scott Benner 4:30
thank you. But the thing is, Sabrina and to Mr. Segola is ghost, if it can hear this, that did not help me. I taught myself out of necessity to do simple multiplication. This is super embarrassing. Oh God, here we go. I failed Algebra in sixth or seventh grade, and had to go to summer school to make up the credit, which is horrifying. I had to sit down and teach myself the one through 10 times table so I could get through that class. That's when I taught and I taught it to myself in, like, an afternoon. Anyway, his thing didn't work. But now I can randomly, like, look at a string of numbers and be like, seven, four, that's 11, and I don't know, like, it's the one thing I can do. This is not important. This is really just to get you comfortable and relaxed. Because you said you were nervous. How are you doing now? Oh, I'm okay. Good, good, good. Tell people how much you love me. I

Sabrina 5:22
have listened to every single episode of the podcast. I am a mega fan. Oh

Scott Benner 5:27
my gosh, Sabrina, thank you. This is wonderful. When did you begin to listen?

Sabrina 5:31
I listened in 2020, so starting COVID, I got a new job and had a lot of time where I was working, but also wanted some auditory stimulation. Looked out to try to find something that was entertaining and would not just be brain rot, so I looked for a diabetes podcast. Of course, your search engine optimization is great. Thank you. Listen to your podcast. Started at the beginning because I have weird podcast tendencies where I don't like to start in the middle and just kept listening like a crazy person. Do you know,

Scott Benner 6:12
if I thought there was a way to fix it, I would make the first episode, not the first episode. You know

Sabrina 6:18
what? I skipped the first episode. Yeah. So I lied to you. I did not listen to every episode of the podcast. Oh,

Scott Benner 6:23
no. Then it feels like this is over our little conversation. Well, that's really, first of all, I want to say something, because I am definitely going to make T shirts that say, would you say? How'd you say? Not brain rot, like whatever, however you said, That was perfect. I thought that's a t shirt. That's like, the best review I've ever gotten, entertaining. Not brain rot. I was like, good enough, but that's really, it's lovely. I would have no way to expect that. I mean, honestly, I mean, you listen to me better than people who love me. So I don't know how to put this exactly like that seems like a lot to me, and I really appreciate,

Sabrina 6:57
yeah, I'm sorry for embarrassing. No, no, it's

Scott Benner 6:59
not. It's not, it's it's nice. I mean, the podcast really just exists because people stop reading. Really, is it? Like, I swear to you? Like, as I watched blogging disappearing, I had this overwhelming feeling like, Oh, I get like, notes, and this helps people, and now it won't help anybody anymore. And I thought that sucks. And I have this thing I know that, like, people, like, jive with that's it really like. And I was just looking for another way to get it out there. As you know, media was changing so and then COVID. Thank God for COVID. You never would have found me right? I'm just kidding about the fact. I mean, it had,

Sabrina 7:38
it had a lot of negatives and it had a lot of positives. And it's just, it's the way of life. You know, you take the good with the

Scott Benner 7:45
bad. I think another t shirt would be five positive things from COVID, then you get to fill it in with a marker. That'd be a fun t shirt for people. I just thought not going to restaurants anymore was the best part of it, because of how much money I

Sabrina 7:58
saved, yeah, but I started doing takeout, more digital. Yeah, I cooked

Scott Benner 8:03
so much, and now it's that weird time in winter where I've given up on cooking. Does that happen to you? Like, these are times of year where you're just like, I'm probably not gonna cook anything this week.

Sabrina 8:13
No, I try to be disciplined and cook a couple meals a week, at

Scott Benner 8:19
least. Good for you. Now, I looked up the other day and I thought, I'm failing as a husband and a father, because I was just like, there's leftovers there. They're like, what is it? I'm like, it's like, pasta and chicken. Just heat it up. You'll be fine. People look so disappointed. I was like, I already ate mine, so you're screwed. What makes you want to come on the podcast? I

Sabrina 8:39
just like, I said, I'm a mega fan. I've been listening for so long, it just felt like that was the next step in my mega fan journey. I sound like a crazy person. No,

Scott Benner 8:50
sounding crazy. This is good for me. Are you going to stop listening after this? Is like this, no, because I'll hang up right now. Like I don't. I need the I need the downloads. I need. I need the consistency from some of you guys. I'm going to ask you about your diabetes because I feel like people would expect that. I'll just tell you first that. I hope I don't sound like I'm complaining. The hamster wheel you're on when you make something like this is insane. You just can't stop and you have to find a way to be competitive with it, because it is a lot of work. Like the conversation part of it This is simple. Like, I do this every day, honestly, about every day, like I have a conversation with somebody. I love it. I think it's awesome. If I think if nobody was listening, I would do it right. So that part's not It's not tough making enough money to pay an editor. That's tough making enough money to pay for computers. That's tough making enough money that your wife doesn't go let's stop pretending you're a podcaster. That part is just never ending, like I'm gonna finish with you today, and then I've gotta go. There are two companies that want new ads, and they don't send you. Scurry. Trips. They say, look, take what you know about us and our stuff. And here are some talking points that we'd like to be involved in the conver in this, you know, one minute conversation. Now sit down and try to and so I have to sit down and like, I have to make four ads today, is what I'm telling you. It's going to eat up like, three hours of my life. I'm not complaining. It's way better than what I used to do for work. But then I'm going to send them to them, and they're going to listen, and they're going to go, Oh, our lawyer said you can't say the before this word. And I go, Oh, okay. And we didn't really like the way you said this. And I'm like, Oh, you don't like the word. And go, No, you didn't. We don't like your tone, my tone. You're about to hear more tone, and then that'll go back and forth for a couple of weeks. And then one day they'll just be like, okay, they're done. I'm like, Okay, awesome. And then, you know, we'll send them off to rob, and Rob will insert them and and then there's meetings with PR people, which are sometimes feel endless, because they have their goals. And you're like, I am not putting that person on the podcast. Like, I like, it's nice that you think this is a story people care about. I don't think anybody cares about this. Like, so now you're the gatekeeper, and now people are mad at you and, like, and then you get a note from somebody, how come you're not looking more into whatever their pet idea about diabetes is? Like, now it's suddenly my fault that the thing they care about doesn't get amplified more. And I'm like, I'm just doing what I think is interesting anyway. All of that stuff is exhausting. And then that feeling of like you're on a list, you have to stay at the top of that list. If you don't stay at the top of that list, then this happens, and that happens. You got to get more people to follow and listen. And that is endless. And I hate it. I just want to be clear. I just want to be really clear. I hate it this. It was so much more fun. I guess I'm not complaining that it's not as much fun. It was just so much more fun to make the thing, put it out and have people just listen or not listen and kind of not care anyway. I said all that because people like you who listen and actually turn the thing on every day and, like, check it out. It's such a big thing for me. Like, the base of fans that do that is the thing that makes all of this, like, actually work. So anyway, thank you very much, as I think what I was getting at, but I had to complain first, because I think it's in my nature. And, yeah, yeah. Also, it's a podcast. You're six years old. What do you like in first grade when you're diagnosed?

Sabrina 12:20
I was in kindergarten. I missed the last four days of kindergarten. Yeah, the best time they had a party, they had cake. I did not get to partake in that

Scott Benner 12:32
you were in the hospital. I was in the hospital. How did it come on? Do you remember any of it? Or is it stories through your parents? That you

Sabrina 12:39
know, it's stories through my parents. I think my mom caught it really quickly. She said I was, I didn't drink a lot of fluid normally, but I would, you know, throw back a glass of water juice and ask for more. I wasn't wetting the bed normally. And I started to, you know, diabetes, things, yeah. And she took me to the doctor and checked me out of school, and the next thing I remember, I was headed to the hospital.

Scott Benner 13:07
She knew diabetes right away, or she just knew something was wrong.

Sabrina 13:12
I'm not sure she has she has an interesting background. She worked, she had a lot of odd jobs, so she has got a degree in biology, so she has that medical scientific background, so I think she may have just known something was wrong, but she may have known diabetes. Is

Scott Benner 13:32
there any other diabetes in the family? I asked,

Sabrina 13:35
and she said that she had some cousins, but she thought it was on, like, married into the family, but no one that was super closely related.

Scott Benner 13:45
Okay, and how about you? At this point? Do you have anything else going on? I have thyroid issues.

Sabrina 13:50
Of course, we have a lot of thyroid issues in the family. Like all of the women on my mom's side have some sort of sort of thyroid issue. I don't think anyone's tested to see if it's autoimmune or Hashimotos. But feel like, feel like, if everyone has it, maybe there's something going on there. You don't

Scott Benner 14:08
think it's just random that nine of you got, like, a thyroid problem. Probably not random. It's funny. Do you know a lot of the people who have the thyroid issues? Because I'm going to ask, like, a more generalized question, if you do this episode is sponsored by tandem Diabetes Care, and today I'm going to tell you about tandems, newest pump and algorithm, the tandem mobi system with control iq plus technology features auto Bolus which can cover missed meal boluses and help prevent hyperglycemia. It has a dedicated sleep activity setting and is controlled from your personal iPhone. Tandem will help you to check your benefits today through my link, tandem diabetes.com/juicebox, this is going to help you to get started with tandem, smallest pump yet that's powered by its best algorithm ever control iq plus technology helps to keep blood sugars in range by. Predicting glucose levels 30 minutes ahead, and it adjusts insulin accordingly. You can wear the tandem Moby in a number of ways. Wear it on body with a patch like adhesive sleeve that is sold separately. Clip it discreetly to your clothing or slip it into your pocket head. Now to my link, tandem diabetes.com/juicebox, to check out your benefits and get started today, you can manage diabetes confidently with the powerfully simple Dexcom g7 dexcom.com/juicebox the Dexcom g7 is the CGM that my daughter is wearing. The g7 is a simple CGM system that delivers real time glucose numbers to your smartphone or smart watch. The g7 is made for all types of diabetes, type one and type two, but also people experiencing gestational diabetes. The Dexcom g7 can help you spend more time in range, which is proven to lower a 1c The more time you spend in range, the better and healthier you feel. And with the Dexcom clarity app, you can track your glucose trends, and the app will also provide you with a projected a 1c in as little as two weeks. If you're looking for clarity around your diabetes, you're looking for Dexcom, dexcom.com/juicebox when you use my link, you're supporting the podcast, dexcom.com/juicebox, head over there now.

Sabrina 16:27
So my grandma had it. She has passed. She lived to 100 she she's been gone for a couple years now, so I knew her pretty well. My mom has thyroid issues, and I'm close with my mom, so maybe I can answer your

Scott Benner 16:41
question. Okay, okay, so Mike, I guess my question is, is, does it manifest similarly for everybody, or does everybody else have a different complaint?

Sabrina 16:49
I think it manifests pretty so we all have trouble losing weight. Okay, that's the big one. Yeah, yeah, I gotcha. And and then other issues My sister has, PCOS. I think I might have PCOS as well, but in order to test for that, they'd have to take me off of birth control, which I think is helping with the PCOS. So we're just never going to know. How

Scott Benner 17:14
long have you been on the birth control

Sabrina 17:16
for a while, 10 years I had, we're going to talk about my period wonderful. I had pretty horrific periods as a teenager. I would just get really, really, really sick. I would get like, hot flashes, like not able to exist as a human being. Being on birth control made that a lot easier.

Scott Benner 17:42
Anything else, acne, mood swingy, anything like that. Oh,

Sabrina 17:46
I'm sure I was mood swingy. If you ask my my mom or my sister, I'm sure they would tell you that, and then acne, but I don't know if it was, it wasn't like terrible acne, probably just like regular teenage acne, but it did seem pretty cyclical. Gotcha?

Scott Benner 18:03
Yeah. And so you got on the birth control so early that you probably have it's, it's working for the if you have PCOS, it feels, it feels like it's working for it, yeah. What does your sister do?

Sabrina 18:15
She was on birth control. She also had some difficulty getting pregnant, but she has two beautiful children. She's got my niece and my nephew, nice, but had had trouble getting pregnant because of the PCOS Gotcha.

Scott Benner 18:32
Well, I mean, listen, all this conversation has taught me so far is that thyroid issues let you live till you're 100 so that's what I heard, seriously, right? 100 100 Do other people in your family live? Are long lived? Or was she the one? I

Sabrina 18:47
think so. There's so much space between the generations.

Scott Benner 18:53
It's would you want to live to 100 Sabrina

Sabrina 18:56
depends on the quality of life. She had a pretty good quality of life. She was still getting around and, you know, able to live, I wouldn't. I wouldn't want to live to 100 if I was confined to a bed or something like that.

Scott Benner 19:08
Yeah, it all sounds good until you're staring at a wall, I imagine, and then it's

Sabrina 19:14
like you have no idea who you are or who your family is. And, yeah, that that

Scott Benner 19:18
sounds terrible. Yeah. I want the kind of like live to 100 that I imagine from science fiction movies, right, right, where I'm still dashing. And although I didn't shave this morning, and I looked in the mirror and I thought, I think there's more gray in my beard than there was, like six months ago that I found upsetting. Oh, well, whatever. What was I gonna do? Live forever. Apparently, not only billionaires get to pretend they're gonna live forever. Have you seen the creepy guy? Oh god, I'm outing myself now. There was a creepy guy on the Kardashian show recently who thinks he's going to live like longer, and he's doing like, all this stuff. He was so weird. Did you see it? Oh no. First of all, good. I think it's very good. And I want to tell you that I didn't see it, because. I watched the Kardashian show. I saw it because Arden said, Hey, do you want to see something hilarious? And I was like, Sure. And then she I'm gonna find the guy's name. He's like, one of those guys that got, like, super rich. And then he's like, You know what I'll do? I'll try to figure out how to live forever. And so he's like, he looks bizarre. Watch my googling skills. Kardashian show, rich guy

Sabrina 20:29
live forever. Awesome. All

Scott Benner 20:33
right, let's see. Brian Johnson, What a boring name. It's even spelled with a Y, which I think is wrong, billionaire biohacker, Brian Johnson, he looks creepy. Did you find him that fast? I did young people and the Internet, right? Like, I mean, he's an older guy. He's in awesome shape. Like, I'm not gonna say that, but there's something, doesn't it look a little, I don't know. I don't wanna like, he looks weird.

Sabrina 21:02
He looks like a data from Star Trek,

Scott Benner 21:06
right? Yeah. And now Kim's gonna try to live forever. And I just want to say I don't wish bill on anybody, but I don't think we need Kim Kardashian forever. I feel like there's other people, yeah, that could hang out longer, but this is just between you and I, nobody else listening? Would God, I, you know how often I forget people are listening while I'm talking. I guess now, like, my brains I go, there's 50 people out there. Is like, he wished Kim Kardashian would die. I'm like, I didn't say that, just that

Sabrina 21:36
she doesn't need to live forever. I don't think, I don't think anyone needs to live forever. Isn't it?

Scott Benner 21:40
Something like, let us talk about that for a second. If you were gonna live forever, you'd have to be frozen in a certain point in time in your existence, right? Like, because I don't need nine year old me living forever, that would be ridiculous, right? You know, I don't wanna get to the point where I'm, like, too old to move live forever. Like, I think there's a version of you that would be healthy enough and know enough that there'd be value in you being around longer. Does that make sense? Yeah, you know I'm saying because, like, you're gonna learn things. Sabrina, Have you learned anything yet? I mean, you're only 33

Sabrina 22:14
I mean, I went to college. There

Scott Benner 22:15
you go. I'm saying, like, the big life things like, you're gonna start putting like, it doesn't actually happen till you're in your mid 40s. I hate to say it, it didn't for me. At least, I just became a person, like, five years ago, is what I'm saying. You start seeing big picture stuff, and then I think those people, like, before they get old and crotchety, but right about the time it all starts to make sense. It'd be cool if a few of those could hang out longer, I think, is what I'm saying. We could randomize it right on, yeah? Like, a, like, a lottery, yeah, I'm not looking to be the guy. You know what? I mean. I'm just saying, like, I think I might be past that point too. By the way,

Sabrina 22:48
would you want to live forever by yourself? Like, wouldn't you want a companion with you? Oh,

Scott Benner 22:54
I'm sorry, in your forever, I can't, like, get another girlfriend if Kelly goes, Oh, got another girl.

Sabrina 22:59
Well, Kelly doesn't listen to this. So, I mean, I guess you can,

Scott Benner 23:03
by the way, the other night, I said something, and I was like, Holy crap. I'm like, you really don't listen to the podcast, do you? She's like, I've heard every episode with Arden. And I'm like, Yeah, three of them. Well, yeah. And I was like, what was the conversation? Oh, you're not the same in real life as you are on the podcast. And I went, Well, yeah, duh. Like, I do know I'm being recorded, like, right? Like, it is a better version of at least a shinier version of me. Like, not, but it's still me. She goes, Yeah, maybe. And I said, What about in this episode, or this one? I realized, like, is actually kind of a sad moment. Sabrina, you don't mind me sharing it with you. I've made a lot of personal growth making this podcast for over a decade. Yeah, I could tell, yeah, right. And I realize my wife's not aware of are you, like, with somebody, or, like, married, or any of that stuff.

Sabrina 23:52
I am. I've been with my partner for 10 years. Oh, that makes me sound. My boyfriend for 10 years.

Scott Benner 23:58
My partner. How do you think it made you sound when you said, partner?

Sabrina 24:01
You know how it made me sound.

Scott Benner 24:04
So are you noticing it yet, like you've changed, but they see you as a person they knew before? Oh,

Sabrina 24:11
that's a great question. No, I feel like, I feel like we've, we've developed together. Like we've, we've both changed. I guess I I see that. I see him sometimes as the way he was, and I have to remind myself that's he's grown and developed and is improving as a person.

Scott Benner 24:31
Yeah, I have said to my wife before, I was like, you are talking to 24 year old me right now. Like, I that is not I don't think about that that way any longer. And she looks at me like you're full but, but now I realize, because she doesn't listen to the podcast anyway. I mean, I would be ridiculous to listen to it. I'd be worried if she listened to it. I have to say, I just think there's downsides to her not hearing some of it,

Sabrina 24:57
like an episode here and there would be nice.

Scott Benner 24:59
I mean. Know, they're not moments where you're like, This guy is really thoughtful. There are, yeah, they're not like, that frequent, but like, but every once in a while you're like, hey, that was a good point. Or, you know what I mean, or like, Okay, what's your favorite part of the podcast? Is it conversation stuff? Is it diabetes? Stuff? You like when I talk to Erica and I try to stretch my understanding of things. Where's your sweet spot?

Sabrina 25:22
Where's my sweet spot? Well, I love Jenny, but I don't know that I love the management stuff the most. Like, it's not brain rot, if I go back to that, I do like the conversations. I don't love every conversation, but I listen to all of them. You've made the point before, like every episode has something that there's

Scott Benner 25:42
something in each one. Uh huh. People are like, well, we're 25 minutes into this one. Is there going to be a point in this one? Soon there will be, don't worry, yeah, I hope so. Yeah, don't worry. I'll get to it. It's just interesting to talk to somebody who's actually heard the whole thing, except for Adam Lasher,

Sabrina 25:57
yeah, needs or you're really putting me out there as the crazy person, I promise I'm not going to be the one that shows up at your house to kill you. Oh, thank

Scott Benner 26:07
you. I appreciate that. I do know if that happened, instead of helping me, I'd hear my son go. Told you, yeah. Oh for sure being I knew this was going to happen. Okay, so you like the conversations. So this is interesting. I have recorded episodes of this podcast that me. For me personally, I'm like, I don't like this. I still get people who like it. So I come to teach myself, like, you know, what I like is not what everybody likes first. I mean, it's not that I didn't know that. But like, when you're doing the podcast, it's hard to, like, wrap your head around like, there's one that sticks in my head. I would not give you any details about it, but we got done, and I thought, let me delete this and pretend something happened. And I lost it. I really just, I hated it. I

Sabrina 26:51
wonder if it's the same episode. I think it is. You've mentioned it a couple times. It was

Scott Benner 26:55
laborious for me to get through. And the person was lovely and thoughtful and, like, everything, but between, like, just her speech pattern, and I don't know, like, how she I just didn't jive with her at all. Like, it just felt like the worst date I'd ever been on in my life. Oh, yikes. I put it out anyway, and I can't tell you how many people wrote about how much they enjoyed it. And that's when I stopped worrying about that stuff. I was like, All right, there's something for everybody so, and there's some people you got to drag it out of a little more. And there's times I'm too chatty. There's times I don't talk enough. Those aren't as frequent. Anyway, it's just, it's, it's something like, I feel like you're like, my biographer. Thank you. Yeah, no, no, why do you why does it feel embarrassing?

Sabrina 27:43
I don't know you are embarrassed, right? Maybe just confused, like, how I'm how I'm your biographer?

Scott Benner 27:52
Well, because you've heard more about you've listened, Yeah,

Sabrina 27:55
cuz you're like, my, my research patient, yeah,

Scott Benner 27:59
more like that, yeah. Like you could write a paper on me.

Sabrina 28:03
I probably could probably be pretty good paper.

Scott Benner 28:06
Do you think you This is interesting? Here's my last question before we find out about your diving Do you think the things that you would say about me would be accurate? Or do you think that it's skewed because you're listening to a podcast, you know

Sabrina 28:21
what? I think it's probably skewed. You said it yourself. You're still you, but you're like a curated version of you. You know, listening to the podcast, you do feel like a real person. I don't feel like you're a super curated version of you, like a Instagram influencer, but you're going to be careful about what you say and how you present yourself, and you're the one presenting yourself so you can say whatever you want. Do

Scott Benner 28:47
you think I'm more or less liberal or conservative than I sound? Oh, wait, stop here. Do I seem liberal or conservative to you?

Sabrina 28:56
You seem pretty in the middle, but maybe a little more liberal. Okay,

Scott Benner 29:01
do you think I'm more or less so than you think I am? Hmm, this is so interesting.

Sabrina 29:09
It is interesting. Maybe more so more

Scott Benner 29:13
liberal than you think,

Sabrina 29:16
than I seem. No, I mean, I think I have you pegged down. I think I know exactly who you are, Scott

Scott Benner 29:22
I am, so go ahead. Who am I then go, go, Sabrina, go looking

Sabrina 29:26
at like, people, like, I don't know you're Who are you

Scott Benner 29:31
interesting, right? Like, I believe myself to be incredibly down the middle. I think you are as well. Yeah, I'm socially liberal,

Sabrina 29:42
yes, I would say that as well, right? I

Scott Benner 29:45
am a little physically conservative. I would probably say that as well. I'm really careful with money and stuff like that, so. But I have a weird line, like, Do you know what I mean? Like, there's the reasons i. Did or didn't vote for somebody, for example, are very basic, like, somebody said something or, you know, and I was like, that's a bridge too far for me. Like, and now I can't do that, sure, and even if some of your ideas, I'm like, Oh, I think that's rock solid. Oh, my God, but that was too far. Yeah. Now what I find interesting about podcasting is because this is a podcast about diabetes, and I have no need to talk about politics on it, and I don't want this to be a political podcast, and I'm not a particularly political person, but once I just said that thing. Now, conservative people think that a liberal candidate said something that was too far for me, and liberal people think a conservative candidate said something

Sabrina 30:41
that was too far from me. Yeah, they project themselves onto you. Yeah, that's the interesting part of all this. That's got to be a weird to live with. It is like

Scott Benner 30:51
you could guess and maybe get me right, because there's not that many versions of you know how your politics go, but I think that most people, if they like me, then they ascribe how they feel to what I'm saying. That is what I think happens. I think that's how actually, podcasts are comforting for people.

Sabrina 31:09
Yeah, that's a great point. I feel like you're pretty live and let live like you don't want to be in other people's business.

Scott Benner 31:16
I really don't think we should be telling people how to do things. I agree, yeah, so I just haven't seen it go well so far, yeah, like, the one time it goes well, I would like somebody to point to it, but for the most part, people are who they are and telling them that they shouldn't be or that they shouldn't think or feel or have a and I think that goes both ways. Like, generally speaking, I don't think there are deplorable people, and I don't think there are super, like, crazy, like, you know, I wouldn't, I wouldn't say that about somebody, and I wouldn't see somebody have a thought and think that, and just the same way as, like, I'm not running around yelling, like, I don't know, whatever the opposite version of that is, like, Are you super woke lunatic or something like that? I do think there are edges

Sabrina 31:56
right

Scott Benner 31:58
bell curve, obviously, if you look at, are you in the Facebook group, I am okay. So if you look at how Facebook, the Facebook algorithm, Yaks you up to get you upset, to keep you in the algorithm. Like, the same thing is happening to you with soda commercials, with politics, with everything else. Like, right? Like, they, they, they. That sounds so sounds so ominous. They know most of us are here in the middle, like living in something like my brother said to me the other day. He goes, You know, I wish there'd be a third party that we could vote for that they called common sense. He's like, I think that would be really popular. And and I was like, Yeah, I hear what you're saying, right? So I think that they know we, most of us, live in common sense, and that's why they throw the fringe at us, to piss you off, keep you in the conversation, keep you on the team. Yeah,

Sabrina 32:53
there's also, like tribalism, where you want to belong to a certain team or a certain ideology, and they force you into that box.

Scott Benner 33:03
Yeah, and people want to be on the winning side a lot, so, or whatever they they assume is the winning side. It's why. Like watching people, my beloved Philadelphia Eagles, won the Super Bowl this year. They also lost it two years ago. And I can't tell you that three hours after each of those Super Bowls ended, that I felt any differently? Do

Sabrina 33:26
you know what I mean? Yeah, it was

Scott Benner 33:28
fun, and I had a good time, like watching the season, and at the end, one was disappointing and one wasn't disappointing. But I don't feel like a winner now because of it or like I don't think I accomplished anything. I don't I don't have those feelings, and I don't discount people who who feel that way, but at the same time, like it makes you much more easily manipulated. I guess, because you feel so strongly about something, not a bad thing, it's just somebody else is going to take advantage of it anyway. You don't know me, if you're listening, but you do, like, I'm not being dishonest about anything. That makes sense.

Sabrina 34:07
It does all right, cool. We know this little slice of your life, yeah,

Scott Benner 34:11
no, sure. And if we hung out, there's a complete possibility, Sabrina, if you and I went out to dinner that two hours into it, you'd be like, This is awesome. I love this guy. It's exactly what I thought was happening. And then there's an also a possibility the two hours ended, you'd be like, Oh, Scott said, but it would all depend on what random thing that I believe, that you don't believe, that comes out during our conversation. You know what I mean? At the end of this, the last year of the podcast, we'll stop talking about diabetes, and I'll just talk about what I think about the world. I'll just blow the whole thing up at the end. Oh, geez, horrible people like it used to help people with diabetes, but then he said some very strange things about car imports, and it was weird. Anyway, six years old, you get diagnosed, and you're going. Start living your life, right, like so this a long time ago. Are you just one or two shots a day back then? Yeah,

Sabrina 35:06
I was on the clear and cloudys at NPH and regular, 7030 at some point, which I think is just the mixed version of NPH and regular when Lantus came out, I went on to Lantus. I think that was like 2000 something, and then I got an insulin pump in 2005 I got the Animus, not the Animus ping, because it wasn't out yet, but I did get the Animus ping later. They had a pink pump, so that was pretty cool.

Scott Benner 35:36
Do you have the Cosmo at any point? It didn't,

Sabrina 35:39
no, look at you. I had, I had some friends that had the Cosmo. Though people love that pump. I think that pump had an adaptive correction factor, because when you get higher, you're more insulin resistant. So it would, it would give you more and I really wish that someone would do

Scott Benner 35:56
that again. Uh huh, yeah. You mean, like, Why does my algorithm shut my basal off and keep making the same correction Bolus? It's not moving my blood sugar? Yeah.

Sabrina 36:06
I sit it get to 200 and then just flat line at 200 like, come on,

Scott Benner 36:11
I know. And then the marketing's like, it'll come down eventually, and I'm like, yo Seven hours later,

Sabrina 36:17
yeah. And it'll come tumbling down, and then

Scott Benner 36:20
I'm gonna have to eat a crappy ice cream cone out of my freezer or whatever garbage is laying around to stop the drop. Uh huh. You know, I, I agree, like I, I think if it got more aggressive early on, it would break that high blood sugar sooner, and have, I would imagine less chance of seeing a low later. Have to remind

Sabrina 36:41
myself, we're still in the early stages of these algorithms, and they're just going to get better. But right now, it's a little frustrating. Yeah,

Scott Benner 36:48
no, they have, they have pain points for sure, and all of them have them. It's funny because in marketing, and at this point, I think every pump company advertises on the podcast. So God bless you all, and thank you very much. I think you're doing a great job. But like all of their marketing ignores whatever it is their thing doesn't do, which I understand, but, like my thought always is, why not? As the people making the device, shouldn't you go to the marketing team and say, what is it you hear from people, like, because that's the thing we should, like, turn a screw on. You know what? I mean? Like, like, well, that's the thing we should be working on. Like, so whether you're Omnipod or Medtronic or tandem or here's a little look into what I got going on this week, Sabrina, the twist pump, or anything like that. Like, whether you're any of those pumps, like, once you start hearing back from people like, your thing doesn't do this. Like, I would think that R D would want to know that, because that's the thing you would think they'd be working on. But, I mean, I don't know. I don't run a business. So anyway, and so which pump are using now? Using the T slim control IQ, do you think about getting the Moby ever, or do you like the T slim? It's

Sabrina 37:56
a great question, because it's the same algorithm. It's just a smaller pump. I've been on the T slum for 10 years now, using control IQ, but I'm using it in sleep mode. So instead of, I don't know if you know this, instead of giving the correction boluses, it increases the basal quicker and more aggressively. I think that works a little better for me, because I'm tuned into if I if I'm going high, I can make my own correction. It's, you know, isn't

Scott Benner 38:26
it funny with stuff like that? Because you can get somebody on here and be like, don't just live in sleep mode. That's not okay. And then you get people who are like, No, that's how it works best for me. Like, I in the end, again, like everything else, I just think, if that's what works for you, then awesome, right? Yeah, yeah. Like, and do what you're gonna do when you're growing up. Is there a time in your life that you can pinpoint as easier or harder? Were there, like, seasons of your life that you were like, God, diabetes made this worse or no,

Sabrina 38:54
you know what? No, I was thinking about this lot, a lot going into the podcast, like, what is my diabetes story, and I couldn't really find anything. I was like, Scott's a pro. He'll pull it out of me. But I didn't have a story. Nobody

Scott Benner 39:08
bullied you. You didn't like you, didn't think a guy said no, thank you at some point because of it, like you didn't have any of those moments. How

Sabrina 39:17
many of those moments? You know, I went off to college and forgot to give injections or didn't didn't care about my diabetes. That didn't happen to me. My mom would tell you that I was, you know, 30 years old. As a six year old, I was very mature, mature kid.

Scott Benner 39:35
Do you think that came from the diabetes, or do you think that's who you were? Or did it happen so early? You can't, you can't know,

Sabrina 39:41
yeah, that's a great question. I think it had some sort of impact. I do think I'm probably that is who I am. But when you're given so much responsibility with diabetes as a kid like that, just kind of shapes

Scott Benner 39:56
who you are. Yeah, you didn't burn out ever.

Sabrina 39:59
No. Not in a way where I wasn't taking my insulin or checking my blood sugar. You know, back before Dexcom, you weren't constantly tuned into your blood sugar, so you'd check, you know, four or five times a day, or maybe more, if you're really curious about it, I was always checking and always giving insulin in college, I did have a little bit looser control. But, you know, I never had an eight, a, 1c, I think my highest was 8.5 and that was around the time where I was not checking as frequently, you know, not pre bolusing, maybe not bolusing until, oops, I forgot to Bolus and bolusing way after the meal. Yeah,

Scott Benner 40:43
so there are times when you are less focused on it, but you never gave up on it. Yes, that's the idea. Okay. Did you ever feel like giving up on it? But you didn't. Yes, what do you think stopped you?

Sabrina 40:56
I think it was just like, this is something that you have to do, and that's not something that you can give away.

Scott Benner 41:02
So you stayed what? What would what would Erica say? You stayed present? Is that what you would say, like you say present. And what am I thinking of here that I want to say to you, that I don't want to say I'm helping a person with their finances right now, I am, in fact, the person who people come to in their in my regular life. It's not always pleasant, but sometimes it is right to younger person, it's gotten themselves into some credit card debt, and at one point in the conversation, they said, I said, How did it get to this point? And they said, well, they kept sending me, like, emails that said my credit line had been increased. And I was like, So you kept spending more money? And then there was no answer. And like, I keep trying to figure out, like, I don't think it's ignorance this person's not dumb. Like, I feel like they just willfully ignored the part where that wasn't a good idea. And, like, and now I'm wondering about the diabetes part of it, like, of that idea, like, do you get burned out? It's like, geez, I wish I didn't have to do this, but you're just unwilling to ignore it. Do you know what I mean?

Sabrina 42:11
Yeah, I think that's a pretty accurate description. Like, I wish I didn't have to do this, but I do, so I'm going to trudge forward.

Scott Benner 42:19
It's like, as simple as, like, I'm not willing to kick the can down the road. Is that too old of a saying at this point? Do you have any idea what that means? No, I do. Okay, good, awesome. Because I'm starting to get worried that some of my references just aren't making sense at all anymore. I'm trying to keep up. I saw Mickey 17 this weekend.

Sabrina 42:36
Oh, how is that? Um, good. That's a glowing review there. SCOTT Yeah, it

Scott Benner 42:44
wasn't what I expected it to be, okay, but in some ways it was. It had somewhat of a modern fifth element vibe to it, okay. Ever see fifth element? No?

Sabrina 42:55
Bruce Willis, yeah, I had Mila Jovic,

Scott Benner 42:59
right, yeah, her husband's like, a French auteur or something like that. It had a little bit of that vibe. It danced a line between sci fi and comic book II, and it didn't have as many laughs as I think I thought it was going to I thought it was going to be more like, yeah,

Sabrina 43:17
it does look like it would be a comedy. It's not

Scott Benner 43:21
Oh, although there are a couple of, like, really good laughs in it, but it was one of those things where I laughed out loud in a theater that no one else laughed, oh, except for my daughter, who's like, artists like, Well, I wasn't gonna laugh out loud, but that was funny. But it like, like, made me cackle. And then I realized, like, no one else thought it was that funny. I also laughed at the very first title screen because the production company was called Plan B, and I just laughed immediately. And I was like, there's no one else. No, okay, never mind. I don't know. I might be childish, but, like, honestly, the movie starts, the screen goes black, it gets up, it says Plan B, and I go, look, oh my god. I'm like, nine years old. I'm laughing because of, like, a pill like, this is such a ridiculous thing, which, by the way, is not connected to anything funny at all. So, no, no, it's horrifying, actually, but like, yet it made me laugh out loud. So anyway, I probably laughed like, three times during the film when everybody else was like, Why are you laughing? It had undertones of comedy. Would I watch it again? No, never. But I'm also get, I'm also getting old Sabrina, and then you gotta watch The Goonies. See, you guys gotta stop talking about that, because I, I got a text from somebody the other day, like, randomly that said, have you seen the Goonies yet? I was like, What in the hell is that? But,

Sabrina 44:40
you know, the easy solution to this is just to watch the Goonies.

Scott Benner 44:43
Listen, here's my expectation on the Goonies and anything else around that time. I also have not seen Animal House, by the way. I just want to point that out. I feel like, if I was back then and I saw it, I'd probably be like, this Goonies thing is awesome, but now I think the folklore around it, it's built up too much. It's waste. Stronger than the movie is going to be, right? And now I've got 30 years or more of seeing much, I mean, let's be honest, much more well constructed films, and it's just going to look like somebody's student film from 1975 if I turn it on,

Sabrina 45:15
right? No, I think it holds up. Jesus Christ.

Scott Benner 45:18
Am I going to have to watch the Goonies. It's a bunch of kids that go underground, and there's an ogre. That's what I know is that about, right? It's like a treasure hunt. Okay, all right, fine. I mean, you know, I

Sabrina 45:31
don't believe this conversation is going to make you watch The Goonies. No,

Scott Benner 45:34
I don't think you're going to see Mickey 17 anytime soon, either. I mean, listen, I've never seen the godfather. I haven't either. Yeah, like, there's movies that people are like, Oh, my God, this. Like, I haven't seen that one time I looked at it's over three hours long. Like I'm an adult. Can't give three hours away. You know what I mean? I don't know. You think you might have kids ever or no, it seems like you're not going to. Oh, why would you say that? I know your vibe Interesting. Yeah, your vibe is like, you have a fun, quiet vibe, like me, yeah? Like, it's nice, but like it doesn't feel like you're like, oh, you know what? I want to get off this train and make a baby.

Sabrina 46:14
Yeah, I'm not interested in having kids. I know it.

Scott Benner 46:17
Yeah? Podcasters, they know things, weird things, and it's not really very important, and the world really could go on without this conversation, but like, I do have some skills. Have you always felt that way? No, and

Sabrina 46:31
I don't know what changed and why. I no longer want to have kids, but I just not interested. Yeah,

Scott Benner 46:39
no kidding. It's funny when I said it, and your response was, why do you think that I first thought, Oh, I missed the mark, and she's mad at me.

Sabrina 46:46
No, I just wanted to get your opinion before I did you and that you were right.

Scott Benner 46:51
Yeah. No, no, now I realize you're like, God damn, this is upsetting. How does he know that? No, it's

Sabrina 46:55
amazing. You're You're very good at at getting people.

Scott Benner 47:00
I think that we make a mistake by not generalizing more. Oh, I just, Oh, my God, oh, hold on a second. I'm gonna talk about generalizing. I'm gonna tell you about something else. The thing that, like for 20 years, society has been telling me, Don't generalize. And I'm like, I'm not generalizing. But there are a lot of through lines like, I think it would be weird to ignore them. You just seem like you're happy with who you are. And then I coupled that with your age and the fact that you don't seem pressured to marry the boy, and I just thought, I think she's just living a life over there, like, that's how it felt to me. Yeah,

Sabrina 47:34
and my concern is getting older and not having someone to take care of me, but I'm just trying to get real in real good graces with my niece and nephew, and hope that they want to make sure I'm not in a home being abused. Listen,

Scott Benner 47:49
if you believe any number of tech billionaires, you just need to save up about $15,000 and you can get a robot so you're gonna be fine. We trust the robots. No, it's gonna definitely. Here's an example of something that I'm not actually going to tell you. But the thing, the dumbest thing that popped into my head to say, I would not say out loud right now. So there is a version of me you don't know, because I was like, No, that robot's just gonna and then I thought, don't say that. I like, whatever it is that came from the same circuit that made me laugh when the production company was called Plan B, I was just like, That's so dumb. So apparently I cover my mouth when I laugh while I'm recording. You don't know it, but, like, I got a text yesterday from Rob, from the guy that edits the podcast. He was like, Hey, man, sometimes when you like, burst out laughing, do you cover your mouth? And I had like that, like, Are there cameras in here feeling, you know what I mean? I was like, Yo, man, what do you know about me? And I said, No, I do sometimes. And he goes, Okay, I can hear it. And I was like, is it messing up the audio? I can stop. But he goes, No, no. He's like, I he's like, I run a chain of filters on you. It fixes it. I was like, Oh, thanks. I appreciate it. He's really worth the money. Actually, he's really good. I get demure, even though no one's looking at me. Yeah.

Sabrina 49:12
Are you insecure about your smile? Oh, for sure. Oh, I'm sorry to hear that.

Scott Benner 49:18
I have canines. Gotcha. Yeah. You remember, before we started recording, we talked about True Blood. Yeah, I would not need makeup to be on that show. I don't think I really like pronounced canine teeth. I don't

Sabrina 49:33
know that's kind of cool. My boyfriend has has pronounced canine teeth too well.

Scott Benner 49:37
If I had a magic wand Sabrina, they wouldn't be here anymore, just so, you know, I make them square, like the rest are, I guess teeth aren't square. But you know what? I mean, can you imagine if I made them square? People, like, he's got, like, a lot of rectangles in his mouth, and two squares is very strange.

Sabrina 49:50
I don't think you would, uh, you'd like that. You'd be like a horse, actually,

Scott Benner 49:55
if I had a I mean, what would you do with a magic wand? Would you get rid of your. Diabetes?

Sabrina 50:01
Think so? Yeah. I mean, why not? Like, wouldn't that make my life easier? Moving forward, a handful

Scott Benner 50:09
of years ago, I asked this question out loud online, and I was surprised by the response of people who said that they wouldn't know who they were without diabetes.

Sabrina 50:18
I mean, diabetes is a part of me, but it's not who I am. I

Scott Benner 50:22
mean, I would get rid of it immediately. Yeah, I wouldn't even let me just go on a limb and all you young kids will. I wouldn't even ask garden. I'd be like, Hey, I don't know if you noticed your diabetes went away five minutes ago. I found a magic wand, you know, but I could always put it back if she was upset, I guess, yeah, I mean, that it seems obvious to me, but I don't live with it personally. So I've had a lot of people say that I didn't understand their perspective, if I'm being honest, but it was very consistent through a portion of people. I mean, I

Sabrina 50:56
guess it is like a large part of my life, and has shaped my personality and developed who I am as a person, but changing it moving forward isn't going to change who I am. Yeah, it might change who I will be, but who says that's not for the best?

Scott Benner 51:16
You're walking down the beach, you find genie's lamp. You rub the lamp, the genie comes out and says, you have three wishes. Do you know what you're going to wish for? No, really, I think that's a mistake. Sabrina,

Sabrina 51:26
yeah, I know, you know. I just, I

Scott Benner 51:29
really think you should put some fun.

Sabrina 51:32
What is the likelihood of that happening? Well,

Scott Benner 51:34
it's very low, but I guarantee you, when it happens and you end up, I always think of it for myself, like I thought I need to be ahead of this, because there's no way it's going to happen, but I know if it happens, and I don't think of it, I'm going to be really tall, handsome and have a huge and I think I don't want to go that route with my only three wishes. Anyway. Feel the same way about the magic wand, like if I had a magic wand and it was like super magic, and it actually worked, I would first protect all of my living relatives, and then I would start making decisions. And I have to tell you, I think one of the things I would do first is get this little bit of flower pot mold out of my my chameleons cage. It's a tiny little bit in the corner, and I can't make it go away. And I really think that it's, it's really bothering me, if I'm being honest, and I think I would, I would handle that first, then probably go out in the world Fix the big things. What are the big things in diabetes? Like, what if you could just adjust it a little bit? Like, what's one thing that just if that one aspect of it went away, the whole thing would get better? It's

Sabrina 52:35
hard dealing with the variables, how you can do the same thing, the same way, but because the variables are different, you have a different outcome.

Scott Benner 52:47
The insecurity stuff, if it was just more knowable, yeah, okay, it's not the device changes,

Sabrina 52:54
no, because I think the device, if things were more knowable, you'd be able to use the device more effectively.

Scott Benner 53:01
You don't mind being poked. No, okay, no one's ever bullied. You? Did you have a really good self like, is your self esteem always been good? I don't know about that. Did you work on it? Yeah, okay, because it's good now, right? And it comes and goes, Really, yeah, what can make it? Wayne, I don't know.

Sabrina 53:22
Just some days I don't feel well, we're going down therapy road here.

Scott Benner 53:27
Scott, you bought a headset for this. We're not stopping in an

Sabrina 53:30
hour. Am I delightful? Listen, I saw your

Scott Benner 53:35
note. You hold on. I'll make a decision at the end. Okay?

Sabrina 53:40
Self esteem I don't know. I try to self esteem comes from within. It's hard to shut out other people's opinions, but I try to do it interesting

Scott Benner 53:51
that like people you know,

Sabrina 53:55
like boy, people I know, people I don't know. Really, I don't give a about people I don't know. Yeah, I'm not there yet. Yeah, I'm

Scott Benner 54:02
having such a personal journey with this right now, and I'm really coming out on top and very proud of myself. But other little stuff, like, I can get crushed by, like, I have a text here with Isabelle. Can I share this? I can probably share this. She's listening right now and going it depends on which text. Let me, let me take a look here last night. This is very boring, so 10 seconds, Apple changed their algorithm for podcasts again. No, you know, because you listen and it's taken away some of the fun that I have making the podcast right, like the competitive part of me, and it doesn't change anything about you guys, or what you hear, or you know what I'm producing, or how valuable it is for anybody, like it's background stuff, and it's taken away a thing that I love about making the podcast. So I was talking about that out loud, and. Isabelle was like, you know, you really do need that to be replaced. And like, she was like, I can't believe how much you seem to miss, like, the competitive part of it. She's like, we need something that, like, fills that for you. Anyway we're going along. And this conversation is going back and forth, and she mentions that she really liked the episode that came out yesterday. And I said, see that even make here, I'm gonna read it. I said, See even this is making me sad. It really was a good episode. I wish more people heard it. Is that ego death? Yeah. Okay, yeah. So like she's giving me a compliment about the episode, and all I hear is I didn't do a good enough job of reaching people, but when the algorithm was different, I knew I was doing a good job and I could build on what I did the day before. And I had a feeling that I was progressing. I had a feeling that I was winning. I had a feeling that what I was doing was valuable, and so that even when things on bad days or whatever, it didn't matter because I knew I was reaching more people, more people were being entertained or helped or whatever. And like it felt it all felt valuable. And now that doesn't work exactly the same way anymore. And it's like, anyway, the point of telling you all that is that I was okay while we were texting, and then all the sudden I wasn't and like and like, I feel like that's what you're saying with like, you know, like, I because you seem like a confident person to me. Thank you. Yeah, no, you seem very like, sure of yourself and and comfortable with who you are and all that stuff, which is awesome, but like to hear a person who sounds like you say, I don't know. Sometimes my self confidence just wanes, and I don't know why I had that same feeling during that text. I was like, I know I'm doing a good job. I know what this thing is. And then all of a sudden, something was said to me, and I was like, oh, except I'm a loser, and I'm not doing a very good job at all.

Sabrina 56:56
Yeah, it's wild too, because it was not negative feedback. She said, You were doing a great job, and the episode was really good, and then you just take it and flip it,

Scott Benner 57:06
yeah. And I told her that because we're friends, and she said, I actually almost didn't say that to you, because I knew how it would make you feel. We really do know each other well, so she knows you well, yeah. And I don't want her not to say that, like, if that's any and I and I do need to hear it, because the truth is, is that I make enough of these that, like, you know, I don't always know what they are, and that's such an odd thing, like, probably for people to hear. But like, I am, I said this a million times. I am the last person to ask about the podcast. Like, this is just how it comes out of me. I don't know what it is, if that makes sense, it does. It could be one thing for you and something for somebody else listening. I could have said something earlier that made someone laugh and made somebody else disgusted with me. Like, I guarantee that every episode ends with someone going, I'm not listening to this anymore. Every episode ends with people going, oh my god, I love this. I'm gonna subscribe so I don't like how am I supposed to know what the hell it is, you know? So anyway, all right, diabetes and get the pumps. All right. In college, you were on a pump. I was and you took a full course load. I unfairly know that you were involved in an extracurricular activity, right? Didn't you blow into something?

Sabrina 58:19
Yeah, I played trombone in the marching band.

Scott Benner 58:21
Can you still trombone? Is that? What? How you what? How do you say? Do you say? Play trombone. Yeah, play trombone. Okay. Is that a thing you can do, like, recreationally, without the rest of the band. You can

Sabrina 58:32
it's a little weird to play on your own. I haven't picked up my horn in a while. You have

Scott Benner 58:39
not picked up your horn in a while. I have not. How long has it been since you've been since you've been out of college? 10 years, 11 years, this boy that you're allowing to clean the carpets and empty the dishwasher sometimes, has he ever seen you play the trombone? That's

Sabrina 58:52
a great question. So we went to the same high school and I played trombone in high school. So yes, he's probably seen me play trombone, but we weren't really friends in high school. Okay,

Scott Benner 59:06
so if you, for example, on weekends or evenings or sometime when he was out of the house and you weren't there, practiced up a little bit, got tight again, oiled that thing up, and then one day, just came out of the bedroom playing the trombone, it would freak him out.

Sabrina 59:21
I think he would be very excited about it. He knows I've played trombone. He's a musician. Yeah. He's, like, you could be at a ska band. Like, I don't know

Scott Benner 59:33
about that. Well, that seems like a lot, but I just,

Sabrina 59:39
I think if anyone just walked out of the bedroom playing a trombone, that would freak anyone out. That's

Scott Benner 59:44
what I'm saying. Like out of nowhere, like, imagine he's five episodes into season three of white lotus, and thinking to himself, this feels like it's not going anywhere. Okay? I don't mean to say that. That's where I was last night at about 10pm and then you just come crashing around the corner. Where, like, I think it would, like, it might scare the living hell out of him.

Sabrina 1:00:03
I mean, yeah, it's a loud instrument. I'm

Scott Benner 1:00:06
down. If you do that, would you write? It just feels like a tick tock video. To me, I feel like you're about to be very popular online, is all I'm saying. Oh, geez. Would you even want that you're in your 30s? What? How does that seem to you like when people are putting so much effort into being like a thing in an app?

Sabrina 1:00:26
Yeah, I don't think I'd want that. I like my privacy. I'd like the resources that come with fame, like the money and being able to afford a house, the attention I don't I don't think I

Scott Benner 1:00:38
want that. Wouldn't want the attention. I have to tell you that there are some people obviously making, like, piles of money, doing stuff like that, right? But I don't think it's long lived. I think you're probably right. And I keep saying to my like, you know, as my kids have been growing up, and they'd be like, Look at this guy. He's like, like, my son's like, there's this guy that gambles on Twitch. And I'm like, what he goes he used to be like, I guess he maybe still is. Like, he's he plays Call of Duty like, this is a grown man who plays Call of Duty eight hours a day and makes a lot of money, right? And then at some point, like these offshore casinos realized that, like, he's got a big following, so they bring him to the casino, and he streams from the casino while he's playing, like, you know, some digital jackpot games or something like that, and they seed him with money, and then he's making these outlandish bets. And because he's got so much monies, when he's starting, he can't lose, really, like he can lose, but like, he's gonna hit big once in a while, you know what I mean. And it keeps people in there, and it's incredibly popular. And I think, like, how long can that go for now? For him, it's been going for a while. So maybe there's an argument that whether this is right or wrong, like, he's got a business plan here, and it's working for some kid who just catches a trend, like, right like, what's the like, the doji trends right now. Do you know any of these, like, from the doji songs? No, I'm old. Yeah, well, I'm old too. But, yeah, we have kids. I'm trapped in this because I have children and because I have to be online. But like, there's, like, different dance trends and stuff like that. And they come and go, and some people get oddly popular, but a million views on tick tocks, not as much money as you think it is. And so if you get a little popular doing that, and make, I don't know, 50 grand this year making tick tocks, and think like, wow, that's a lot more money than I would make at my other job. You know, then it's not going to go forever. And I always, I always tell people like, go back six months or a year and find the most popular person in your feed and go see where they are now. Like, because it's over already, because the algorithm just churns them up and spits them out and wants to give you new stuff all the time. But I think people see it as a business plan, and that's frightening to me a little bit. It's so weird

Sabrina 1:02:57
hearing asking kids what they want to do to when they grow up and they're like, I want to be an influencer, like, that feels icky to me.

Scott Benner 1:03:04
I hate that word, and I'm going to tell you that you can make a full argument that I am an influencer, but, like, I would never call myself that, and I don't think of it that way.

Sabrina 1:03:13
Yeah, and my biography of you, I wouldn't paint you in that picture. Thank you. And

Scott Benner 1:03:17
at the same time, like, I think one of my greatest accomplishments, beyond helping people with diabetes, is continuing to do it like, in this ecosystem, it is built to kill you. I am not letting it kill me, like, existentially. I mean, like, I mean literally. Like, it wants you to go away so someone else can fill your void, right? It's trying to get rid of you. And I just like, I don't know, like, I just won't let that happen. So that is, that is probably my fight, which is so ridiculous, because the day this ends, I'm gonna look back and think how much of my effort did I spend stopping the algorithm from making me

Sabrina 1:03:55
meaningless? There's a, there's, I think

Scott Benner 1:03:58
there's a movie in there that would be better than Mickey 17.

Sabrina 1:04:01
I want to be honest.

Scott Benner 1:04:05
You mean like there's this unforeseen force that is trying to stop me from helping people and making a living. It like every day it's trying to stop me. And I don't mean like I'm not being like bombastic, like I'm fighting multiple wars on multiple fronts of this unseen thing that is trying to make the Juicebox Podcast not exist anymore. And

Sabrina 1:04:29
that's sad, because it's not a regular podcast that's just for entertainment. It is helping people. I've

Scott Benner 1:04:35
had this thought, like, where I was, like, if not a magic wand thought, because obviously I'd, you know, just be very tall when it was over. I've wanted to go like, find Mark Zuckerberg and just go like, hey, my group is helping people. Would it be okay if they just saw my posts? Would that be all right if, when I posted, hey, there's an episode out today that I think you might be interested in that it was served to more than 1500 of the 60,000 active members in the group. I. Could I just get that please? Like, I don't want to be huge. Like, I don't even know the I could be huge. There's only, there's not even that many people that have type one diabetes in the world. Do you know what I mean? Like, right, right? I would like it if people knew it existed, and then they could decide if they cared about it or not. Like, but the fight to get it to them is insane. Actually, I have a meeting on Thursday, luckily, with a very kind person who does that stuff for a living, who happens to have diabetes and listen to the podcast, because I think they saw me online say, like, I feel like I can't, I can't fight this anymore. Like I'm willing to pick up a gun I don't know which way to shoot. Do you know what I mean? And and so I think she knows which way to shoot, and she's nice enough to give me some of her time to try to help me with it. But, like, It just shouldn't be this hard. Anyway. I didn't mean to complain. Do I, from your perspective, does the podcast seem like any of that, or is that a thing that you don't realize? Seem like, what? Sorry that it's difficult to, like, get it to you. I'm

Sabrina 1:06:03
a mega fan, so you're listening. Yeah, I'll seek it out. No matter what, you'll go find it. Yeah, yeah. I do see the post on Facebook of the new episodes that came out so, but I'm one of the 1500 people it gets to, yeah,

Scott Benner 1:06:18
it's really interesting. It's like, anyway, again, I don't think every I don't think that my words are deserving of being like, you know what I mean, like, I don't have any like, weird feelings like that. I'm just like, when you make a thing, did it like, well, let me ask you, did it help you at all with your health, or was your health Okay? And you found it for different

Sabrina 1:06:36
reasons? It did help me. You know, my a 1c, been in the five. I think my last one was 6.2 but that was right after Christmas. It was good. It wasn't quite that good before the podcast.

Scott Benner 1:06:51
So are you one of those people who's having that, like connected Halo from it, like you're staying connected to diabetes somehow, so you're paying more attention to

Sabrina 1:06:58
it? I think, I think that's what it's doing for me. Okay, yeah, I had somebody explain

Scott Benner 1:07:03
that to me more recently, and it wasn't an idea that I was able to wrap my head around exactly because, again, I don't have type one. But I think she told me I already knew what to do. Because I was like, You know what I mean? Like, I think she said something. I was like, Oh, the pro tips helped you. And she's like, No, I knew how to do all that already. And I was like, Oh, okay. There was a moment where I was like, Don't be crestfall and keep talking. And I was like, Okay. And then she started to explain that to me. She's like, I just think it keeps me connected to it enough that it's not omni present in my mind, but it's enough in the front of my mind that I take good care of it. And then I was like, okay, that's awesome. Does that make it more or less in your consciousness. Does that make sense? Yeah,

Sabrina 1:07:45
it's so it's like, under the surface, but I'm not constantly thinking about diabetes, right? So if that is what you're getting at, yeah,

Scott Benner 1:07:53
yeah. So it's more like music at the dentist office, good music at the dentist office, but, but like, it's there, but you're not focused on it, but it is doing something for you. Yeah, that's a good, good way to put it. Okay, I was not

Sabrina 1:08:04
really thinking about it, but it is always in the back of your mind, but not in the way that you're like, Ah, it's not like

Scott Benner 1:08:11
someone's screaming at you, Sabrina, you didn't Bolus. You're not doing a good job. Like you, like you know you have to try harder. It's just more like enough to it's like breathing maybe,

Sabrina 1:08:21
yeah, well, like you don't have to think about brushing your teeth. Like, yeah, it's getting to the point where you don't have to think about pre bolusing. It just is a thing that you do

Scott Benner 1:08:31
sort of happens. That's awesome. That is my goal, by the way. I said, this is somebody the other day. I was explaining something. I told you I was helping somebody with money, right? And I was explaining my ideas about how to, like, you know, get ahead, stay ahead. Why it's important, like, all this stuff. And as I was talking, I thought if anyone in this room listened to my podcast, they'd realize that this is how I talk about diabetes, too. And then I was like, Oh God, I talk about everything like this. I wonder if that comes through in the podcast that, like, my life ideas are just, I've just applied my life ideas to diabetes. Yeah, it totally does. Does it okay?

Sabrina 1:09:08
Or at least my biographer perspective of you, it's

Scott Benner 1:09:12
all just seems like life seems pretty simple to me, like, beyond the things you can't control, like, You mean, like if your leg fell off or get hit by a car or something like that, or what happened to Arden yesterday? There's no way she would want me to say this, but, but she fell off a chair. She fell off a chair. Oh, she wasn't funny. I just want to say I had to run, all right, listen, we had a doorknob break. I had to run out and get a doorknob. I come back, you know, with a doorknob in my hand, you know, the middle of the day, because, like, we literally couldn't get out of the house. So I'm like, Okay, I come back. She's sitting at the table. We have kind of, like a kitchen table that's a little higher, so you almost, you're up on like, bench chairs or a little higher, right? She's got her head down. And I'm like. Did this kid fall asleep on the table like that doesn't happen anymore. I was like, what's going on? So I'm like, bringing in the doorknob, and I'm opening it up and everything. And I'm like, John, now I'm trying to be quiet because I'm like, apparently somebody's napping on the kitchen table. And then she suddenly picks her head up and she's crying. And I go, I come over to my garden, what's wrong? And she goes, I fell off the chair. And I was like, and I'm like, I don't understand. And she goes, I don't either. And I'm like, wait, wait. I'm like, were you like, back on two legs? Forward on two No. I'm like, she goes, the puppy came over and jumped on the chair. I'm like, he's not big enough to knock the chair over. She goes, I know, I don't know what happened. She's like, but I came crashing down on my tailbone, and my hand hit the floor, and she's like, in pain, like, you know, and I was like, oh god, that's so horrible. I don't know why I told you that. Oh, my God. Why did I tell you that?

Sabrina 1:10:51
Yeah, I don't know. I

Scott Benner 1:10:53
had a thought I was getting to and now I don't know how, why I was trying to get to it. I think I started feeling bad in the middle for telling you the story where she fell out of the chair. Anyway, she fell off a chair. And I'll get back to the rest of it somehow. Oh, I know how I said, I think life is generally easy, except for the stuff you don't expect, like falling off of a chair, like, when, like, you know, and it's funny, because as I looked at her, I thought when I left here 25 minutes ago, she was fine, and I came back and she's hurt and crying, and I and I actually, it actually made me think, like, how lucky you are not to have a car accident when you go outside, or have, like, one of those things that, like, one second it's not there, and then the next second, everything about everything changes. Does that make sense? Yeah, we're not promised tomorrow. Arden falling off the chair made me think about that for 20 minutes while he was replacing a doorknob. Replacing a doorknob, like and how like something so simple could just my big worry is that I'll get 10 seconds to think about it before it happens to me, and that I'll regret that it's happening. Does that make sense? It does. Yeah, if I get taken out, I do not want to see it coming. Is what I is what I've decided, because I know that I'll just be so angry at myself in the 10 seconds before the tree falls on me for being there in that

Sabrina 1:12:06
moment. Yeah, thinking about what you should have done differently. Yeah, seriously. Like, I

Scott Benner 1:12:11
know that. I know that'll happen to me if that happens anyway, besides the variables that you can't control, like, there are some pretty common sense decisions you can make day to day, and you don't even have to make them constantly. You can slip up and be human and everything. But there's some pretty like, basic consistencies that, if you set them up, life goes pretty well, like, you know. And I think, I just think diabetes is the same. I agree. Yeah, that's all. You have a pretty uneventful life with it, huh? Yeah, that's maybe, like, the nicest thing you could say to somebody.

Sabrina 1:12:45
Yeah, it continues that way. Oh,

Scott Benner 1:12:49
I hope that for you as well. Did you have like, being diagnosed so long ago? Was it like common for you to have like, nine a one season everybody told you were doing great, or was that not your thing, even back then,

Sabrina 1:13:04
no, like I said, my highest a, 1c I went through all of my records was eight and a half, and that was in college. I did have some like seven A, one CS where they said I was doing a great job, which, I mean, I was, but I feel like I could have been given better direction to do better.

Scott Benner 1:13:22
Do you think they thought that? Or do you think, like, do you think that was the marching orders of the time, and they thought, No, you're doing great. It's a seven. ADA says seven, it's a seven, it's all good. Or do you think they knew it wasn't good and they were just being rah rah with you?

Sabrina 1:13:34
I think it was the marching orders at the time. I think that was probably the best day one see, they saw

Scott Benner 1:13:39
in a week. Yeah? Like, yeah, you were probably exciting to them.

Sabrina 1:13:43
Yeah? Like, oh, this is easy. She's doing a good job. Relatively speaking,

Scott Benner 1:13:47
we don't have big expectations for you to have any complications. It sounds like you've been doing well the whole time,

Sabrina 1:13:54
yeah, but you never know, but falling off a cheer moment could happen.

Scott Benner 1:13:57
So does that have, do you have those thoughts? Like, do you ever think, like, you know, do you foreshadow like that? Like, God, I'm gonna, am I gonna wake up one day and like, you know, have something ridiculous wrong with me all of a sudden?

Sabrina 1:14:07
No, Scott, worry is a waste of imagination. Oh,

Scott Benner 1:14:11
gosh, are you just parroting me? Or do you actually believe that?

Sabrina 1:14:15
No, it's a great, a great concept, but I am parroting you.

Scott Benner 1:14:18
Okay, you know, when I say that in my own home, I get mocked. I just want to say,

Sabrina 1:14:23
I'm sorry. It's such a great concept, because I do have those moments where I start worrying, and instead of going down that path, I go, No, worry is a waste of imagination. Why worry about this and build this up in my head now, when it might not even happen, yeah, or, or go through it twice. Like, what's the fun in

Scott Benner 1:14:44
that? Right, right. Let's say it is gonna happen now. I'm gonna do it now when it's not happening, and then do it later when it is happening. Awesome. There's such a difference between being prepared and worrying. Like, you can't, you can't prepare for things you don't know are gonna come. People will be willing to sit around and, like, wring their hands and go, I know 10 years from now I'm gonna have neuropathy, or, like, something's gonna happen. And like button, they're worried, worried, and they put all that effort into that. But if you said to them, like, Hey, I think if you just listen to these 10 episodes of the podcast, it might help you do better, they go, I don't have time for that, and say, like, hey, you know, listen, I know it's hard, but if you Pre Bolus your big you know, your meals, like you're gonna much better. I don't have time for that. And I'm like, Oh, I'm sorry. Like, I don't know where to go from there. When that happens, you know what I mean? Do you see it online? It's not overwhelming. Like, there are times where people are like, you know, I'm like, you know, I'll say, look, I think this episode would help you with that, I don't listen to podcasts like

Sabrina 1:15:43
it's wild to me, but people in the Facebook group don't listen to the podcast

Scott Benner 1:15:47
wild. I mean, I hear you see, it's Wilder to me that somebody would say, hey, the answer to your question is in this 60 minute recording. And they'll say, I don't listen to podcasts. I don't understand what you're saying. Like,

Sabrina 1:16:02
you don't have to listen to the whole thing just the one episode. Also, how about

Scott Benner 1:16:06
you don't get to choose how the answer to your question exists in the world. Like, you know, you mean, like, it would be like if I was falling, and you were falling next to me, and we were falling from like, 70,000 feet, and you came up to me and said, hey, here I have a parachute. Put this on, pull the cord, and you will float to the ground. And I said to you, I don't parachute. You got a jet pack over there? I'm more of a jet pack. Girl. You're here asking people, what's your best advice? And someone says, my best advice is the exact answer to the exact thing you're saying is in this 60 minute recording that someone is offering to you for free, and you say, I don't listen to podcasts. Awesome. I don't know how to help that person. I'm like And now I hear people who tell me, I don't learn well through audio to them. I think I've so here's one, here's one of these situations where somebody's gonna think I'm a dick when this is over. That's fine, okay? Like I get that some people's brains aren't wired that way, like I do, because there's things I can't learn in other ways. But I also think their expectations are a little skewed. I think they think they're supposed to listen to the audio and then understand everything about it when it's over. But that's not how it works, not at all. Right? I think they're like, zero sum thinkers, like, I'm gonna do this, then this is gonna happen. And I think they think, well, I listened to one and I didn't understand how to, like, Bolus for fat and protein at the end of it. So I don't do well listening. You have to listen to all 1500 it's a vibe, right? But, yeah, no, but Sabrina, like you laughed because, I mean, honestly, like you seem like a reasonable person who's listened to 1500 hours of a podcast, which makes you seem less reasonable. But you're, you're not kidding, though, right?

Sabrina 1:17:53
You don't pick up everything from one episode. It's, it builds on itself. Yeah? You pick up little crumbs from each one. Sometimes that same crumb is in four different episodes, and it doesn't click the first one or the second one, it clicks after the fourth one

Scott Benner 1:18:08
again, like everything else. Like, you know what I mean? Like, if that's how it worked, then on the first day of school, we could just have somebody sit down in front of you and tell you all the things you need to know, and then you could leave, and it would be over, because you'd know them all, but that's just you'd know your multiplication tables. Well, you'd think that guy, What a prick. I can picture him in my head, by the way, other people love them, which really upset me. Don't worry, my fifth grade teacher was much nicer. I got a nice repeat reprieve here, there. Yeah, yeah. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I started thinking about, like my last day of second grade because my teacher hated me second grade. Try to imagine that she hated me so much that I was brought we all came into the room, we did attendance, we did the Pledge of Allegiance, and on the last day of school, she put me in the hall and left me there for eight hours. Whoa, like two o'clock in the afternoon she came out and she just goes, MR. Benner, you and I didn't get along. And I was like seven or eight, I went, No, we didn't. And she let me lean there for two more hours, then I went home. Is that abuse? Maybe nowadays it is for sure, yeah, I could have sued somebody in 2026 the 70s, the 70s, she was just like, Hmm, let me just remind you, you might have fought, but I won. And I was like, huh, fair enough. So she leaned my ass in that hall from 735 in the morning until the end of the day. Oh, my God, I'll never forget that lovely woman. I really liked her. We just didn't get along. Mrs. Nelson. She's got to be dead,

Sabrina 1:19:48
crazy second grade teacher was Mrs. Nelson. Stop it, no, really, probably not the same woman. I'm

Scott Benner 1:19:56
gonna guess no, because I'm 20 years older than you, but she was also. She was older? Yeah, my lady was, she was in her late Well, you know what? It's funny. I don't know. I saw a picture of my father in law the other day. He was younger than I am now in the photo, and he looks 20 years older than me. Yeah, isn't that wild? It really is. So I don't know how old she was. I'm here thinking she was 70. She was probably like 56 I really did like her, like we got along right until we were in that, like, you're in control, like, that part of our relationship, we did not do well. She did not like me. Sorry, there's people listening right now. Or like, I don't like you either. You're still listening. But my a one thing is rock solid, so I guess keep going jackass. But you know, back to that idea of, like, I mean, what's another way to put it? Like, it's people going, you're making it about yourself, but I don't know it's a podcast, like, I'm better at making the podcast today than I was five years ago. It's not because I read a book about making podcasts, right? Like, I'm better at everything that I spend a lot of time involved in, and I think the diabetes is the same, and it's a humble opinion, but I humbly like present to you that I think the podcast is maybe the least objectionable way to stay involved in something you really don't want to be talking about that ends up giving you a really great benefit on the back end,

Sabrina 1:21:18
are you preaching to The choir? Scott, all right, it's a really passive experience, like I listen while I'm cooking dinner. So it's not like I'm sitting down and studying the podcast, like I'm right and like I said before, it's enjoyable. Maybe no one else likes your sense of humor, but

Scott Benner 1:21:35
I'm delightful, as far as I can tell. I agree. Did you see how I teach you there? Yeah, you did. Yeah. Okay. Sabrina's incoming message to me is, I said, What do you hope to talk about on the podcast? I really am just hoping to be delightful. I told you I didn't have a plan coming in. I don't have a particular theme in mind. I'm open to talking about most things. What's something you're not open to talking

Sabrina 1:21:57
about? I don't know. Oh, really, there's not a thing that pops

Scott Benner 1:22:01
into your mind. You don't have to tell me what it is, but is there a thing that pops into your mind? I wouldn't talk about this, probably, but you don't know what it is. No, I don't

Sabrina 1:22:10
have anything specific interesting.

Scott Benner 1:22:12
Nothing popped into your head. So you're not really embarrassed about anything in your life too big.

Sabrina 1:22:18
I feel like I lived a pretty good life, and I'm pretty open and honest,

Scott Benner 1:22:21
that was like, maybe the best answer anybody's ever given. You know what I mean? Like, because that's a simple question. Because I go, what don't you want to talk about? And then I prompt you to think of the thing that you're scared of or embarrassed by, and nothing popped into your head. Yeah,

Sabrina 1:22:36
I think I wouldn't know it until we walked face first into it, and be like, ooh, Scott, let's not talk about

Scott Benner 1:22:41
that. Oh, so there is a thing you just it just doesn't come to

Sabrina 1:22:44
you. I don't know. Why are you so even I don't know,

Scott Benner 1:22:50
since you were a little kid, like, you had like a vibe of, like, what did your mom say? Like you were 30 when you were five, or something like that. Like, yep, is she like that? Or your dad?

Sabrina 1:22:59
I think so I don't know. My dad is an engineer, and my mom, like I said, she had she's more artistic. She has a lot of crazy backgrounds. She drove an ambulance for a while, she worked in a dentist office. She's done anything and everything. It's funny because I find myself translating between the two of them, because engineers speak in their own particular language. So I feel like I've kind of taken a little bit from each of

Scott Benner 1:23:25
them. Do you ever have to explain them to each other? Yes, all the time. Yeah, my kids are like, You guys do not know. He's like, You don't know how to like, like, my wife and I are so different, huh? Like I'm talking and I'm I, I'm sometimes looking at her and thinking, she does not know what I'm saying. Yeah?

Sabrina 1:23:42
Like, my dad will say something, and my mom will get confused and agitated. And I'm like, That is not what He means to say. What he means to say is this, and my dad's like, yes, so

Scott Benner 1:23:52
your dad's a little more engineering, and your mom's a little more hippie. I wouldn't say hippie, but, yeah, adventurous, artistic, creative, artistic, creative, and you're a blend of them, or you're more her, I'm a blend of them, interesting, and you and so you talk mom and you, you speak dad, yes, but they don't speak it to each other. And it

Sabrina 1:24:12
works well for me, because I can translate at work like the technical side to the non technical people.

Scott Benner 1:24:18
Oh, okay, yeah, that is a good, that's a great skill to have. It is, yeah, you must have liked when Sam came on, the general manager of the Phillies, and even unfold, yeah, yeah, he's got that. Like, he played baseball for a decade, but he went to, you know, he's, he's got a, like, an econ degree, like, so it was his job to, like, explain the those metrics for the baseball players, like, about, like, Moneyball, yeah, Moneyball stuff. And then he goes back and he talks to them about it. But in baseball talk,

Sabrina 1:24:50
yeah, yeah, that's exactly how I feel at work. It's

Scott Benner 1:24:55
a cool job. Actually, the Phillies should be lauded. This is not to go down a side road, but you. They wanted Sam, apparently, wanted Sam to do something else. They sent him back to school. So he's off, like literally learning something else, to come back to the team and help. I wish I could get him back on he's, I think he's a little too he's a little too successful now to get on a podcast, maybe, but that would be interesting to hear about what they're doing with him. Okay, so do your parents ever help with the diabetes as you're growing up, or is it just you

Sabrina 1:25:26
as I'm growing up? Definitely now, not so much. My mom would pack my lunch for me growing up, and she would write down the carb counts of everything, kind of like you did with Arden. But before texting was a thing. Yeah. So if I didn't want to eat my sandwich. I knew I could take out those 30 carbs.

Scott Benner 1:25:44
Does she know anything about it? Modern day or not? Really, a great question.

Sabrina 1:25:48
I sometimes I try to talk to them about diabetes things, and I can just see that it, it doesn't relate to them anymore, that they do try to keep abreast of things. You

Scott Benner 1:25:58
think it makes them sad to think of you as having diabetes. Never really thought about that. Like, is it hard to talk about? Because it reminds like, because, I mean, listen, you're very even keeled, like you seem like you're living a great life. Your a 1c is nice and low. You're not struggling with your diabetes that anybody can see. I'm sure you have struggles. So, like, maybe when it comes up, I wonder if they just I wonder if it makes them sad.

Sabrina 1:26:19
I think they do a good job of not letting that show if that's how they feel, but I could imagine that there's some sadness there. I

Scott Benner 1:26:28
let myself down as a parent. The other night, Arden was sharing something that's difficult for her, and it made me cry, and I cried in front of her, and I felt bad for crying in front of her, because I don't want her to think that her life makes me sad, yeah,

Sabrina 1:26:42
but I think it's good to show some emotion and have that connection, yeah. It's

Scott Benner 1:26:47
just, I felt like, you know, that thing everybody feels who's listening, but I was just like, in the moment, I was just so sad that she had, you know, that she has autoimmune issues. Honestly, that's really what it was about.

Sabrina 1:27:02
But it's that falling off a cheer thing, just something that happens that you gotta get back up and keep going, Yeah, and

Scott Benner 1:27:11
she does. She does a good job of it. Like, you know, just like you like, talking about, like, I don't know, like, it was there, but I did it, you know. Like, I think she's got that vibe, for sure. I

Sabrina 1:27:21
think she's got it even more than I do. I don't think she thinks about diabetes almost at all. It's

Scott Benner 1:27:26
tough because, like, when, when I try to explain something to her, she's like, Yeah, and I'm like, You really need to know this. I'm like, Do you know why you're taking that tablet right now? She's like, Ah. I'm like, I could I just explain it to you? Like, I think it's really important. It is interesting, because I think the vibes important, and I think that her general understanding grows as time goes forward. She's not lost, she doesn't not understand her diabetes. But like, there's things about like, she just some stuff. She just doesn't want to hear about some stuff. She's like, Look, I know I'm supposed to take this pill every day. Like, I take it, like, leave me alone. And then like, you know, if you know, I don't know, I look over and I'm like, Hey, you're all right. Like, you look tired. I have been tired for a couple days. And I'll say, like, you know, Are you, are you taking your thyroid meds every day, dad? And I'm like, I mean, just say no. If, like, instead of dad, like, you know, maybe like, I'm like, and then I'll say, like, look, it's just really important, because that pill might be the reason why you're not feeling well today, you know, or like, you know, you said your stomach hurt. You're tired. Your stomach hurt. You haven't taken your thyroid meds for a day or two. Like that could, like, be one of the reasons, you know, it's almost like a bridge too far for her. Sometimes she's just like, I know, but I don't want to know if that makes

Sabrina 1:28:38
sense. It It does, and it's, it's nice to have that every once in a while, when you have someone in the background that can take care of, you get get a little break.

Scott Benner 1:28:47
It's funny, because that's what I think, too. But it's not how it comes off sometimes, like, sometimes it comes off like, leave me alone. But I think what it means is, Thank God you're paying attention this, because I'm not right now, and I'm almost embarrassed that I'm not, you know, I think I don't know that's a lot of supposition on my part, but nevertheless, okay, Sabrina, is there anything we didn't talk about that we should have?

Sabrina 1:29:09
I don't think so. Like I said, I didn't have much of a plan coming in, and just figured we'd see how things go.

Scott Benner 1:29:16
And did I let you down? Because it's possible that I did. No, not at all. Oh, awesome. Thank you. I felt myself being chattier today, but this is probably not something everybody listening cares about. But like, I don't get to talk to a lot of people who have literally listened to the entire podcast.

Sabrina 1:29:32
That's wild to me too. How are these people coming on the podcast that happened that aren't listeners? There are

Scott Benner 1:29:38
sometimes people come on. They're like, I don't know who you are,

Sabrina 1:29:40
yeah, that's wild. How did you get here? How does anybody get here? That's a good question.

Scott Benner 1:29:47
So you're constantly wondering, Hmm, how much of this can I say? I was in a meeting the other day with an advertiser, and I usually just talk to this person, but they brought more of like, a marketing like, numbers person on, yeah. And they started talking about, like, you know, when you bring in a new listener, and like, do you have metrics on how long they stick, or how long they stay, and if you lose them, how to get them back? And she started going into all this stuff that. I was like, she learned this in college. And I was like, No, I don't do any of that. I said, first of all, I don't think of the people that way. And she goes, well, she's like, how are you maintaining this popularity? And I was like, I just get up every day and I think, like, what do these people need? And then I just try to give it to them. And I was like, and I think that works. And then they tell other, each other about the podcast, and then it grows. And she looked back at me, like, I can't count that or write it on a spreadsheet. Like, like, that was the vibe I got back from her, like, it's cool that it's working, but how do I write it down? And I was like, I don't think it's important to write down. You know what? I mean? Like, it works, like, but just let it work. And they're not listeners. If they start listening and they don't like it, I'm not going to chase them down. Like, through, is that what you want? Like, you want me to get, like, an email list and ping them and like, I'm like, I'm not doing all that. Like I'm like, they'll find it. So I told her, I was like, I've had people tell me I started listening. I didn't have time for it. I hated you, whatever. I came back six months later, and now I love it. I'm like, just like, it needs to be all on its own time, you know. But she wanted it to be quantifiable. It's really interesting. Yeah,

Sabrina 1:31:24
I don't think you're you are quantifiable. Yeah, I just and you are the podcast. Thank

Scott Benner 1:31:30
you. And at the same time, I was like, I don't understand when people see something working, and then they go, You know what this needs? It needs. How I think about it? Yeah. I'm like, there's a lot of podcasts out there that have people like you behind them, and they don't do well, there's a reason for that, you know, like I had more recently, I had an advertiser come to me recently and say, We want to change the ads to say more like this. And I said in a meeting, because I'm a brave person, I don't know why you would do that. The ads work fine. They get clicks that you want. Why would we change them? And I realized during the course of the call is that they brought a new person in, and that person was trying to put their stamp on things. Okay, so I do exactly what they asked me to do, and I changed their ads. And two months later, I get an email from that person, and she goes, Hey, the ads are not performing as well as they used to. And I thought I actually, while I was reading the email, I thought, Oh, good. She's going to tell me to put back the old ads. We're

Sabrina 1:32:32
going to buy less ads now.

Scott Benner 1:32:35
And I went, what she goes, I think we're overwhelming people with the message. And I just took a deep breath, and I was like, What do I do here? Like, do I say the truth and, like, ruin this relationship, right? Or do? And I just responded back, and I was like, Listen, you asked me to change the ads. I changed the ads. Now the ads aren't working as well anymore, because I was being honest in the ads before, and now you have me saying marketing speak stuff, and I was like, and people are not relating to it anymore, and for that reason, you're not selling as money. I'm not gonna say what it is right now. Why don't we just go back to the way it was, where I honestly spoke about the thing and gave my actual opinion of it. And she goes, No, I think we should just get fewer. And I was like, Okay, what? Okay? Like, but that, to me, was like, the other thing, like, tell me what it is like so that I can make it make sense to me. I'm like, you don't need it to make sense to you. It just works. Like, let it work. And if

Sabrina 1:33:41
it ain't broke, don't fix it. I mean, right,

Scott Benner 1:33:43
what do we call in your episode? This is tough.

Sabrina 1:33:46
We call it Scott's biographer. We call it brain rot. Oh, don't call it brain. Wow,

Scott Benner 1:33:53
that would be bad. Because also no apostrophes. There's the thing you don't know, like, I don't put apostrophes in the titles of the show. Okay, we'll figure it out later. I don't know this is gonna be one of these where, like, I'll get notes back from Robin, who'll be, like, I would call it this, this, or this. You said this, you said this, you said this. That's it. Otherwise, I don't know what to call this one, which is usually good, just means it was a nice, like, lingering conversation, which is, by the way, if for everyone listening, you may or may not agree, this is how I think of a podcast, like the conversation I had with you, Sabrina, I this is how every one of them would go if I if I had my way, they'd be longer and kind of meandering and follow thoughts and stuff like that. This is how I think of a podcast, when I think of it and, God bless. Kevin Smith, who made a fantastic podcast for years and taught me how to podcast so Sabrina, you were delightful today. Thank you so much. Well. Thank you, Scott. Hold

Sabrina 1:34:51
on one second for me, sure you.

Scott Benner 1:35:00
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