#1977 Animating Type One for Neurodivergent Kids
Animating Type One for Neurodivergent Kids
Radhika is a pediatric endocrinologist. Molly is the mother of a neurodivergent daughter with type 1. Together they are building animated diabetes education for people the usual materials were never made for.
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- It started because the materials didn't exist. Molly's daughter learns visually, and when she went looking for a comprehensive library of diabetes videos she couldn't find one. Radhika, a pediatric endocrinologist, was introduced to her as an out-of-the-box thinker. What they found when they priced it out: companies that make explainer videos for clinical trials wanted around fifteen thousand dollars for five minutes — and would keep the copyright.
- So they built it themselves, largely on donated time. A bilingual educator offered to do the Spanish work on her own time for no money, and another educator at a local hospital donated as well. One stood in front of a blue screen and interpreted an entire series. Their Spanish Instagram grew faster than the English one, which tells its own story about who isn't being served.
- The audience is neurodivergent people with type 1 — and the messaging is the hard part. Radhika is candid that the neurodivergent community didn't initially think the videos were for them, because they're used to assuming everything is made for neurotypical people. Both Scott and Molly land on the same point from different directions: material designed for people who need things explained clearly tends to be better for everyone.
- What's actually in it. Topics most education skips — interoception, how a low feels before you can name it, and a playlist on mental health and exercise built with Ginger Vieira. Their stated ambition is to become something like the Khan Academy of type 1, with a free, browsable library rather than a handful of scattered clips.
- They're looking for two things. Adults who are neurodivergent and have type 1, or families of neurodivergent children with type 1, to take part in a focus group. And funding — they have tax returns and impact reports ready, and they're clear that volunteers can only carry it so far. Scott spends the back half talking through how to get the message in front of the right people.
- AnimaT1D — Radhika and Molly's nonprofit — free animated type 1 education, including Spanish-language versions.
- Diabetes Pro Tip series — Episodes 1000-1025 — settings, insulin timing, and food impact.
- Bold Beginnings series — The newly diagnosed series — the one an educator interpreted into Spanish on her own time.
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Hi. My name is doctor Radhika Purushottaman. I'm a pediatric endocrinologist and cofounder of the nonprofit Anima t one d.
An endocrinologist and a mom2:11
Hi. I'm Molly Barry, and I'm a speech language pathologist and mother to a daughter who is autistic and has type one.
It's nice to meet you both.
Nice to meet you.
Where do I find both of you? You're obviously in your homes, but you're not together. Mm-mm. Radhika?
I'm in Portland, Oregon.
Okay. And Molly?
And I'm an hour and a half south in Eugene, Oregon. Okay.
How did you meet each other?
Would you believe it if we say online?
It's the only way people meet each other. So sure. I believe that completely. Wrapped around...
Women in our fifties, it's not anything like what it sounds like.
We were lonely, Scott. Just lonely. That's all. So
the short version. So Molly's daughter is seen by one of my partners in the clinic. She, enduring one of her visits, approached him and said, you know, my soon to be adult daughter who's, high functioning autistic and has type one does not really have educational materials that would make her independent. What do I do? Where do I go?
And my partner knows to me... Knows me to be an out of box thinker, and he said, let me hook you up with just the right person. And that's how we met. Molly and I had all bunch of phone conversations first. So we're not...
We don't even... We didn't even know what the other person looks like. So phone calls and eventually a couple of Zoom meetings later, that's when the whole... The seed for the nonprofit started. So that's how we met.
We didn't know each other before this.
Molly, what what were you trying to solve for? What was going on?
I think the... My daughter was 16, 17. And as a parent of... Instead of special needs, unique unique needs, you always think, what if when I'm not here, then what?
Yeah.
And so she was approaching the 18 year old age. I was thinking, how in the world will she be... I use the word interdependent. I don't think she'll ever be fully independent with her type one. And I went online, did Google searches, and I just...
Looking for videos that didn't exist4:26
I couldn't find a comprehensive, you know, library of videos or visual education, and she learns best visually. So that's when I asked Radhika's colleague, and I said, I can't find this anywhere. And he said, well, you do it. So... Okay.
What are you? Busy?
Yeah. So I... Anything to help her visual comprehensive. Like, there's videos here and there Mhmm. But there wasn't something like I go to your podcast and you...
You're you're comprehensive in your information, and it's auditory. Right? So what is there in video format or visual breaking down, you know, complex medical...
Ideas. Yeah. Wait. Listen. I feel for you because I have two children.
They're 26 and 22 now. But when they were little and, you know, we had them, you know, one of the things you do as an adult is, like, make a, like, a will and who's gonna... Like, you know, the car goes off the road. Who's taking the kids kind of thing? We looked very hard at our extended family.
My wife and I are like, I don't think there's anyone to leave them to. So we... We're like, do we take them with us? I was like, I don't think that's how it works. So...
But it it is, like, a frightening idea of, like, what happens when I'm not here. Yeah. You know? And how do you prepare them for get... You know, as best as possible?
I mean, it's gotta be insane for people going through what you're going through. So, Radhika, when when she contacts you, are you like, I have a perfect idea or do you have to go back and forth for a while until you land on what you landed on?
Oh, we went back and forth. So usually, my approach to any problem, smaller or big is never... I I don't know what to do or I... That's not my problem or I can't help you. That's probably why my colleague connected Molly with me.
Mhmm. So one of the first thing I wanted to do is we got on the phone, asked Molly what did she want. And one of the questions I asked her is, if money resources were not an issue, if everything you wished for you had at your feet, what would that look like? So that gave me a good idea of what it is that would help Molly's daughter. And once I had that framework, with Molly's permission, I said, do you care if I start asking around people?
And she said, no. Please go ahead. She didn't feel possessive about the idea or that she wanted to keep it to herself. So I just started emailing. I didn't have any moment like this is where we need to go.
Emailing every institution she could find6:52
So I just started emailing all kinds of institutions, big and small, tall words, like, you know, the powers that be in the type one diabetes world. Almost like cold emailing when you want an internship. So there are a lot of emails I didn't get replies to. Some of them did and acknowledged that, you know, type one diabetes for neurodivergent population is a space that has been missed. It is important.
It is needed. Good luck to you.
Yeah.
Like, okay.
Thanks. No checks. Was there a check-in that note? No. There was not, Molly.
There was an invisible paragraph. So obviously a lot in between the lines that we could figure out. So Yeah. Then we said, okay. This kept coming back to visual stories and animation.
So we said, why don't we call, you know, touch base with a medical animator? So there were those companies that create small videos for clinical trials and, you know, explaining complex concepts, but in the context of institutions. So we reached out to one, had a meeting with them, on a cold November morning. So... And they were very impressed and interested in our idea, but they were charging crazy amounts of money.
I think, like, $15,000 for a five minute video and they would keep the copyrights.
So... Oh, for that... Molly, for that money, you could just pay somebody to live with your daughter after you're gone. Mean... No.
Seriously. Yeah.
Yeah. It was eye opening. Yeah.
For sure. I I... Listen. I I I certainly don't want to hear a review online about how I made this about me, so I'll try to be brief. But I've...
By the way, for those of you who feel that way, it's a podcast. If I just sat here, they'd just be talking into a recorder. So I I I go through this all the time. Like, to your point, you know, we made pro tips, then bold beginnings, and defining diabetes, and defining thyroid. And then I went to small sips because people are like, that's...
Some people would say, forty five minutes is so long. I'm like, well, you're trying to learn about diabetes. It's probably not gonna take a second, but... Okay. And I distilled it down and down and down and down until it was ten minutes worth of conversation.
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We're gonna get back to the show. So I figure I've got everyone covered on audio, and then I've had this thought too. Like, well, what if I animated it or, you know, or even in the... I see you. I'm on your website.
It seems to me like you have Spanish videos as well. I spent the last ten years having conversations with people. Like, could we just dub the... You know, before AI, like, what would that look like to hire two voice actors to reenact an episode because you have to keep it, like, human. It can't just be read back and forth.
And then somebody would say, oh, well, we can do it for this much a minute. And I was like, I don't know who you think is gonna pay for that. And then and then after that, like, I can't QC it because I don't speak Spanish. And so, like... So then there's this great idea that would really help people.
You just... I just... I set it down. I was like, can't do that then. And you...
It's... You're left with, alright. I'll put the transcripts online, and you could use Chrome maybe to translate the transcript for yourself, and that keeps me out of the trans... The translation process. It's so much of that crap that I'm sure you guys run into all the time because what I...
Fifteen thousand dollars for five minutes12:15
In my heart, I just wanna be like, look. Here it is. You know, it's on you, but I hope it helps you. I don't know how you got through all this. This...
Is it just the two of you, or did you bring in more suckers to help?
More more volunteers.
Oh, volunteers. Sure. Got it.
We use the word volunteers. So so how that process ended is I went on one of those DIY animation websites, and I made the first video myself. Yeah. So all the videos are scripted and created by me. So what we ended up doing for the Spanish videos is we were at a conference.
Oh, alright. What was it, Molly? ADC. Yes. Yeah.
Pacific Northwest chapter. Mhmm. So that was in October 2024. One of the clinics came up and they said, hey. We have a very, very passionate bilingual educator who really is invested in the Spanish speaking population.
Why don't you reach out to her? She may be interested in translating. So we reached out and I told her, like, because I have full reign on these videos, we can go back and change all the characters to Spanish speaking, Spanish looking characters. So... And give them appropriate names and appropriate surroundings and change the context to be culturally appropriate so they're not...
It doesn't look like it's just a dubbed door voice over.
The educator who said she'd do it for free13:42
Right.
And I was shocked that she said she'll do it on her own time but for no money. Now I am beginner Spanish, so I was I was able to change the characters, change the script, clean up the grammar a little bit, and then send it to her. Mhmm. So she didn't have to start from an English script. She started from the Spanish script.
And then she... And I would tell her, like, I'm just a beginner. She said, yep. I can tell. So...
But she said it was still enough. So she's not going and changing dialogue by dialogue. And then she would send it back. Obviously, we didn't give her... Give them a timeline, and she was still giving it back in two, three weeks.
And then we found another educator in a local hospital who's also donate... Donating her time. So between the two of them... So we had now this process where I would take the video, almost reverse engineer it in Spanish, and then put it back up. So it was vetted in that there was a QC process, and that's how the whole Spanish channel came to be.
How do you get it to people? Because I have... I... Maybe... God.
I don't know how long it's been now. Maybe two years ago, I had... You know, I complained while I'm making the podcast. Like, I just... I wish somebody could translate this and keep me out of it, but it would be right.
And then I could just put it... Because I would... Listen. I'd start a Spanish version of the Juice Box podcast in five seconds and put... I would put everything out.
I don't know how to accomplish that. Right? So in the course of that conversation, this lovely person gets ahold of me, and she's like, I don't speak Spanish, but I do sign. She's like, I'm I'm a... You know, I'm an ASL interpreter.
And she stood herself in front of a blue screen and interpreted the entire bold beginning series for people, which is, like, don't... Like, lovely. And it's amazing. And I think maybe, you know, the videos have... I'm actually looking right now because I...
Oh, actually, the the the first video has been up for eleven months. It has a fun... A 150 downloads. And in my heart, what I think is I reached a 150 people who are gonna be helped by this, and I think that's terrific. And maybe there's not even a need much beyond that.
I have no idea. But I paid that person thousands and thousands of dollars out of out of my pocket to make this thing thinking that someone would see it and go, oh, that's a great idea. Let... And nobody comes along. And you show it to people and they go, that's nice.
You you know? And you're like, oh, okay. Mhmm. I see. So so once you, like, once you are...
Like, I'm dying to know, like, the the Spanish thing, did you... Is it popular? Did you... Were you able to get it to people? Or are you in the boat I'm in where I'm like, I've helped a certain number of people.
It's been very valuable for them. I don't know how to get it wider than this.
I think option d. Because when people came up to us at that booth at the ADCS conference, I think the most common question apart from how... What's the catch with this channel Mhmm. The second most common question is do you have it in Spanish? And so we thought when we figured out the formula and we create a Spanish channel, it will probably take off.
And our Spanish Instagram, for example, got got followers way faster than the English Instagram channel.
Mhmm.
So that was our yardstick. We thought this would take off. But as today, our English channel has 557 subscribers and our Spanish channel has 63.
I'm putting together a, I think it's... I don't know how many parts it's gonna be, but I'm putting it together a series with a therapist that is on the podcast all the time. And I basically took all of the research that talks about why people with illnesses don't help themselves or or make, you know, a ton of effort or anything like that. And then I I took it to diabetes. And I...
Why people don't help themselves17:34
Because I look at it, I think that this has gotta be... Like, yes, it's getting it in front of somebody, but I get in front of a lot of people. And I was actually pulling something up to to tell you something. So I've been for years told by clinicians, I... Oh my god.
I share your podcast all the time. It's hard to share. And they mean because it's a podcast and you can't just... You know what I mean? Like, it's not one link that takes you to something.
So Mhmm. So we... You know, I made it easier to share and easier to share again and easier to share again and, like, over and over and over. And then I I was like, the... This one...
I got an email six months ago, and it's from a person in Toronto. She's a... Works endocrinologist office. She's like, listen. I show your podcast all day long, but I'm handing out paper handouts.
She's like, it's ridiculous. So I built a website, like, page that you go to and literally one click, it generates an email. One click, it generates a text or a copy or a printout, whatever you want. One click for every series in the podcast. This this is awesome.
Thank you. Everyone's gonna love this. I said, okay. I slept myself to Ohio for ADCES. I stood there for four days.
I handed out thousands of cards with a QR code on it for that website. And everybody everybody was like, oh my god. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
Thank you. Thank you. 84 clicks. Why don't I just walk outside and scream? I have a website for Endos to share my podcast.
I bet you I could reach 84 people if I did it that way. And and so, like, so the... Even at the clinician level, at some point, people say what they want, then they don't do anything after that. Like... Or, like...
And I'm not even... It's not pejorative to me. Like, life's hard. You know what I mean? People are busy.
Like, I get it all. But when you're on this side of it, I mean, honestly, how many hours, days, weeks, months, years have you guys put into this?
Countless.
Yeah. Right. Yeah. What's the what's the answer? Like, when you sit around...
I know... Listen. I met you guys twenty minutes ago. I know you sit around and have the same conversations I have. Like, so what's the answer to all this?
Do you have any ideas?
No. I think it's all... I would... We've tried grassroots. There's conflict of interest at work.
Right? So I can't just go and say, go to my channel. But I did get permission to, like, slip into slip it into the new onset binders. Mhmm. We give it out to flyers at events.
So the local breakthrough t one d events, things like that. I still don't know, like, because I'm on the other side also. So I'm seeing these children families come into my office. Not everybody's on the Internet. They not all have Facebook accounts.
They're not all going to these events. So I think doctor's offices, that's their common denominator. They show up to their doctor's visits. Yeah. So clinicians are the place to be.
So I even created a... What's called an after visit summary, like a... It's called a dot phrase that you can populate into the electronic medical record. And I shared that with my colleagues. It doesn't talk about me anywhere.
It just says here's a resource user. Sure. Sure. I shared that with folks at Kaiser. I've gone to a conference for pediatric endocrinologist.
I shared it with them. There's no real, like, uptick or climb in the views or subscribers after that. So I I have not figured out, and I don't think Molly has either. But if you find a tip or if I find a tip, we could share.
Can I can I just say, I hear you, sister? Can I say that? I I... And listen. You're an endo.
Right? So... And then it's funny because you would think, well, I'm an endo. That adds credibility to it. But you said it adds a layer of complexity because people are like, well, we also have an endocrinologist office, and we'd like people to come here.
And, you know, like, so conflict of interest. I've when you're done, you don't need to do it now. I I just surveyed my listeners. And at this point, the survey has been up for maybe four weeks. It has 233 or so responses.
Right? And positive impact on their physical health, positive impact on their mental health. Their their median WHO well-being rating is in the seventies. Reported negative effects are low from listening to the podcast. Their time in range goes up into 80%.
Their a one c drops by over a point. Their, their lows go down significantly. Like, all this, really incredible feedback that's there. And when I share it out into the world, in my heart, I think there's there's no endocrinologist office in the world who wouldn't be like, at least, hey. You're newly diagnosed.
Go check out this bold beginning series. Like, it's gonna put you in a good footing. We'll look good when it's over. Doesn't happen, but I'm not a doctor. And so I understand that.
Like, I understand that I get shared I get shared like a speakeasy got shared during prohibition, like, in whispers. You you know what I mean? Like... And and it happens. Like, Molly, you...
I don't know. Molly's holding up a card of the podcast that she got up in up in our... Where were you at when you got that? Oregon? Portland.
Oregon. Portland. Right. Right. Right.
Portland. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you, Portland hippies. I appreciate it.
And and so... But but there's... Even at that, like, if you looked at this survey as a clinician, you would say, I would kill to get numbers like this back from my patients. Right? Here I sit, like, I...
Every day, there's a little part of me that gets up and goes, today is the day that the man's gonna call. Like, the the machine will call today. You you know what I mean? And go, hey. You know what?
But that's not how it works. Like, I get looked at and I... And people go, oh, well, you know, that's nice. You you make a podcast, do you? And I'm like, yeah.
How would you feel if I looked at you and went, oh, that's nice. Did you go to medical school? Did you? Like like like like, why are you... Like, anyway, I don't...
The world is... I'm upset. As you could see, this is the wrong podcast for you to come on to. We could talk about this really lovely thing that you're doing because I... Because I know the back end of it.
Go ahead, Molly. Sorry.
I think part of it is building community. So for the neurodivergent, autistic, ADHD, you know, dyslexia... I'm a dyslexia practitioner. So I'm... My students I teach are not gonna go read volumes of books.
They... You know, it's not accessible to them. So I think what we're doing right now is creating an advisory board. We're circling back around our content that we've created, and we're making sure is this accessible? Is this...
Are these the topics that need to be addressed? And there are topics that we have not addressed in the videos Mhmm. That I think will really speak to, you know, I think it was Radhika who said that type one diabetes is the forgotten diabetes. Right? And then within the forgotten diabetes, there are the forgotten population, and those are the neurodivergent individuals.
“The forgotten diabetes”24:34
So I host a very small support group through breakthrough t one d if... For caregivers of those who have type one and, you know, your kids have some sort of neurodivergence. And, yeah, we're a multi marginalized group.
Yeah.
And so I think part of what we're doing, and we'll see, we don't know if it will... You know, how it will pan out, but is to create... First of all, see that community and then listen to the community, and then we're open to changing the content or our videos, you know, are they... Do they adhere to universal design? Are they accessible?
Is this the content? So I think... I don't know. We don't know, and I hear everything you're saying. And yet, I think community...
Is how to do it. Yeah. It... Because because you can use that same niche y idea because if I tell... Listen.
I tell somebody who doesn't have this going on in their life, they're gonna go, oh, that's nice. And then, you know, what are they gonna go? Spend the rest of their life looking for somebody who's gonna, you know, be valued by this? They're not speaking of that. How did it impact your daughter?
Like, how did it actually end up working?
Type one or the videos or...
The the videos. How did they how did they, like... I mean, did you did you give them to her and go, It worked. I knew it. Or, like, you know...
Actually, as... So as a caregiver, I need to be trained first. Right? So I've watched, obviously, the videos because I'm doing most of the social media. So I have learned so much.
And then, yeah, we've showed them to my daughter, and then they hand... Like, so for example, we went on a river rafting trip in Idaho. You know, us and our Garmin, ten day trip on the Salmon River. And as a type one parent and my daughter's autistic, I was terrified. Right?
But I'm not gonna let my fear keep us back. I watched the several videos. My biggest fear was ketones, obviously. Right? What if she goes and, you know, gets ketones?
So I printed off one of the diagrams that Radhika had put in her video, and I brought it with me. So I'm almost like a case study. Mhmm. Radhika is not my daughter's doctor. I watched the videos, and I used the content.
And, yes, I've shown... My daughter has had some other health issues in the last few years. So last two years, unfortunately. So she's just getting healthy again
Mhmm.
And we're gonna start watching them again. But early on when she would watch them, yeah, she understand what type one diabetes is. So visual processing is so important Sure. For her neurodivergent mind, and she thinks in pictures.
So... I I I have to tell you that the number of people who read the podcast and have never heard it is is stunning to me. But it's a it's a populate... There is a there is a population of people who just read the podcast. They they...
I... And I... One of them helps me is like a group expert in my Facebook group. And when... And I knew her for years before I realized.
I'm like, you don't listen. She goes, I've never heard that podcast. I was like, oh, okay. Because that's not how I would do it. So you just don't assume anybody else would do that way.
It's it's really fascinating too. I mean, it's funny you said what you just said. I I describe that I talk in pictures sometimes.
Yeah.
That I paint I paint pictures around ideas because I don't have big words for things. I I know them. Like, if I sat down slowly and thought about something, I'd say something like... You remember earlier when I said, what problem are you solving for? That's the thing I understand.
But when I'm talking, it's not... It's never how it would come out of my I I was... When I said it, I had to stop myself from stopping the conversation to go, I can't believe I used that phrase. So... But when I...
I think that's where... If you can find a way to describe an incredibly complex idea that has a lot of big words attached to it. I I always just say that I've I've I've I've basically boiled diabetes down into T shirt slogans and ones that if you can remember in the middle of the night, you'll be okay. And that's sort of how it goes. You know?
I'm glad you're... I... It's really cool that you're doing it. But how much... You said you don't have everything covered.
What content do you have right now, and what are you hoping to add?
So right now in the 50 plus videos we have in the English channel, we pretty much got the basics down. New onset, ketones, diet, free foods, like all kinds of things. And we divide it into playlists so it kind of becomes easier for you to navigate the YouTube channel. Yeah. But what Molly is talking about is that's all well and good.
Kind of everyone with type one needs to know that. Those are your building blocks. Actually, we also have a playlist on mental health and exercise, which we put together with Ginger, Ginger Vera. Mhmm. So...
Interoception, and what the videos cover29:38
But that being said, for one, for neurodivergent community, we need to probably break it down and rebuild it, in words and formats and, you know, animation that it's more attuned with them. I think right now the videos hit a lot of the high points, but just to make sure to be hit all of them. It could be something as simple as it's too long. It needs to be even shorter. Something like that.
So that's one thing we're looking at. The topics that Molly is talking about is, for example, one is called interoception. So interoception is a concept where how... When you're low, somebody might say, I get cold and clammy and hangry. Somebody else might say, I don't get any of it.
I don't feel my lows. Somebody else might say, no. For me, it's headache and I get sweaty. I don't really get hungry. So that feeling of what happens to you in any situation, that's called interoception.
Mhmm. So with, folks, autistic folks, they may have it, but may... They may not be able to make the connection that, oh, it's because I'm low that I'm feeling this. So our low hypoglycemia video start with cutoffs below the sugar that's called hypoglycemia. This is level one, level two, all that.
Like you were saying, breaking down a complex concept to something that's... Doesn't have complicated words and big words. But for somebody who's autistic, that's not their starting point. Their starting point is more of, have you ever felt such and such symptom? Or do you...
Have you ever been in tune with your body? When that happens, maybe your caregiver or if you're talking to the caregiver, when your child is feeling uncomfortable, maybe pull out their Dexcom and see what their blood sugar is like. That could be their feeling of when they're feeling low. So there's a whole context to that. Another whole context is executive functioning.
Simple things as how do you wanna prepare for your doctor's visit? How do you wanna prepare for your day of school with the type one folded in? What else, Wally? There were other things we were thinking of too. Sensory issues.
Mhmm.
You
know, it's great to dose and then pre bolus and say go eat, and we know that that's not gonna be as straightforward with autistic kids' sensory processing issues. So how how do you go about that? You know, do you do half the dose before, half after? How do you wear a Dexcom if you don't like things on your body? So in our advisory board, have occupational therapists.
We have an expert, Kelly Muller, who talks a lot about interoception. We have a pediatric psychologist. We have a Pete Zendo from The UK who's very passionate about this population. So topics are varied, and in each topic, we'll have different parts of the advisory board come together to help us with the scripting. And so so the...
But you see the... We've gotta figure
out if that needs to be its own channel or just separate playlist on the existing channel.
I have a thought. I don't... I... As you're talking about it, I I keep thinking, like, I think this would be good for everybody. I don't know why this is just for people with autism.
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I mean, like, in in a world where everybody wants something, like, you know, boiled down and simple and quick, I don't know that that doesn't work for a lot of people. I... Listen. I've said it out loud a million times. I'm happy to say it again.
I've built an entire ecosystem around the idea of, like, the timing of your insulin. You would think that should be a half a second in a doctor's visit one time. Hey. We're gonna pre bolus our insulin because it doesn't start working as quickly as the food does. But but I could probably show you a diary full of emails that say, hey.
You saved my life. I didn't know about pre bolusing. And I and I think, wow. Okay. Like, is that...
You know what I mean? Like, in my heart, that's, like, such a simple idea. But for all those people, it wasn't. So I don't... I mean, I I would take them...
I would take the branding off of it. Just push it out to everybody. Have you have you considered my crazy idea or no?
No. Not at all. I mean, no.
Look. What you... You know, one hit on it, Scott, is that... So principles of universal design, if you break down accessibility barriers, it's accessible for everybody. Right.
So you you hit it on the nose.
Yeah. I think you're limiting yourself by saying it's for these people because I
I think the
You know what I mean? No. No. I bet you if you showed it to people who had no foot in the autism community at all, I bet you they'd say this is this is fantastic. I'd show this to my little kid.
You know what I mean?
Yep. No. It's interesting. It's it's funny you mentioned that because I think when we started out, we had the exact same idea. Mhmm.
Like, yes, we're making it for neurodivergent individuals, but obviously, that doesn't mean you cannot get on the website and see it. 60% of people consider themselves visual learners. So it could be... It's meant for everybody. So I think how Molly and I look at it as neurodivergent first, not neurodivergent only.
Mhmm. Okay. When we went around saying that, actually, couple of people gave us a feedback like, yeah, but that's not niche enough. Like, I don't know what you're selling anymore. So we're like, no.
This is for everyone. They're like, no. It was very fascinating because we said this for everybody. They're like, no. It's...
It needs to be a little bit more niche so you find... You know, we won't think about cornering a market that nobody else did.
Who said that? What what was their background?
They were, in the type one diabetes community for decades. Not a doctor or educator of that sort. Just a passionate
parent. Can I tell you something? I... Don't listen to anybody. Just don't don't...
Listen to yourselves and... Listen. I I... I'm gonna give you, like, a twenty second, like, history lesson here. I started making this podcast January 2015.
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At the time I started making it, I don't believe there was another diabetes podcast that existed. The ADA probably had one six months before me, but if it helps you to know that in the last twelve years, they've got as many downloads as I've had in the last six months. So it's not like a widely listened to thing. No no shade ADA. Like, I...
I'm just saying, like, them for perspective. Okay? After I started making one and I got an ad, a lot of people had the bright idea to make a type one diabetes podcast all of a sudden. And then they started coming and coming and coming. And since then, I stopped counting years ago, and counting is a...
I I sat down one time and looked. But there have been over a 150 people starting and failing making a type one diabetes podcast since I started mine. And there are still some that exist, and they're lovely. And I don't... I...
Some of the people I know and some of the people I don't... They don't reach people nearly in the numbers that I do. And every one of them back then in that space... Because the blog space was huge and every... They all would point fingers at me and tell me, you're doing the wrong thing.
You're not allowed to say that. You shouldn't be doing this. You're gonna hurt somebody. This is the way you should do it. Blah blah blah.
Where are they all now, Radhika? You know what I mean? Okay. And so I knew what I was doing was working. I saw it working, and I said, I don't care what anybody else thinks.
I'm gonna keep doing this thing. And it keeps going and keeps going. I do things sometimes, and it blows up in my face. And I I go, okay. Well, I won't do that again.
And I do things sometimes that I don't think anybody would else would do. And I think specific to you, in the last couple of months, a new page that I put on my website has a thousand clicks. It's not a lot, but it's a... But it's not a... It's not it's not nothing.
Right? This one page is just a jukebox of kids songs made made from my diabetes content. So they're, like, sixty, ninety second things you'd put on in your minivan for your three, your four, your five year old to hear about pre bola sing or taking my meter with me or that kind of stuff. Right?
Brilliant.
Yeah. Brilliant. Yeah. Thank you.
Yeah.
I know, by
the catering me is like,
Molly, thank you. But I know.
You're welcome.
Okay? I have no I have no shame. I'm a genius. That's fine. And so You are.
No. No. No. No. Stop.
And... But what I learned was is that my content... Like, AI opened the world up for me. I was like, I have 2,000 episodes of conversations. Stop thinking about them as conversations and start thinking about them as data.
And then once I thought about them as data, I was like, oh, snap. I could turn that data into poems. Poems. Oh, that sounds like a song. And I was like, okay.
Kept it in the back of my head. All of a sudden, about six or eight months ago, I'm flipping through TikTok, and people are turning their text messages into songs. We've all seen this. Right? And I was like, oh, how'd that happen?
That was definitely AI. I can't sing. These people can't sing. Woo. I went back.
I was like... I said, take the bold beginning series and turn it into children's songs to help them understand their thing. And then I sat and wrote them and changed them and, you know, I I massaged them around so they didn't feel too robotic. I might have put out hundreds of versions of them until I got it to where I was like, oh, it doesn't sound like a robot singing. Like, it sounds good.
You know, it's jingly. Like, it'll work. And then I thought, oh, I'm gonna put these online and people are gonna roast me. And I swear I thought, I don't care. And I just put them online.
Right? And when I put them up there, what I got was some people said, oh, you use an AI. You're gonna burn the world down. And some people said, this isn't a real person singing. But you know what most people said?
Hey. My kids listening to these in the car. Thank you. You've been... I...
People have been asking me for years, make content for kids. And I couldn't think of anything that I was good at that would interest the child. And so then when when I did, I was like, do... So my point to you is I wouldn't listen to anybody. I would just do exactly what you think is right.
You're the only one doing it, by the way. I love people who will tell you what to do all the time. Go do it yourself. Stop telling me what to do. I don't see you getting off your ass doing a thing.
You got a ton of ideas for me. Okay? You... You're so smart. Go help people.
But, like, I like, you guys have motivation. You've got a good group around you. You've got a terrific idea. I wouldn't listen to a person about anything. I really would.
Noted. Yeah. Yeah. I'd say go for it. I...
Please. I... You're here. You're doing the thing. You you know what I mean?
You're the experts on it. You made yourself that, that, really. Like... So Yep. Till somebody comes and takes it from you.
I don't know. You need you you need you need this much of my narcissist, Emiratika. Just this much of it. If I A little bit. If I could just put it like a cookie for you, you could, like, chew on it a little bit every day.
You'd be fine. Just get out there
and tell...
Go ahead, Molly.
I don't think we're in this space to... I don't think we have the anticipation that we'll be huge influencers and, you know, we'll have... Because we're such... We're targeting such a small population, but I think, like, you're putting your... Those songs out, and it helped a certain amount of people, and that's huge.
This is why I brought up....
Within the type one community is huge. Yeah. So... This is why
I brought it up for you because those songs are not gonna pop off and be some crazy thing like the podcast is. That's not what's gonna happen. But it's gonna help those people. It's just like the ASL videos. It's gonna help the people that it helps.
And you put... You you know, you just light a bunch of little fires all over the place, and all of a sudden, it's gonna be daylight. So I think you guys are... I would just... I don't know what to tell you, but keep going.
Like, it's awesome.
Thank
you. Yeah. Yeah. What's the website?
Animat1d.org. Animat1d.org. Okay.
Yeah. I assume you'd like it if people would give you money.
We do
not. Why would you mention? Stop it. Go give them money. What are you doing?
And... But but seriously, how long you've been at this now? Like, since the two of you had that conversation and you turned it into a a... An org, how long has that been?
January 2024 is when we registered as a nonprofit. May 2024 is when the YouTube channel went live.
Oh, you're moving.
November, December 2024, the Spanish channel went live. Mhmm.
Website's great. It's easy to get around. It's lovely. I mean, takes you to the YouTube channel nicely. Like, it doesn't mess around.
It's very colorful, easy to use. Like, it's delightful. Really, it's... You have a lot of videos too already. Look at
you. Yeah.
Our goal... What we have in our mind is, we'll see, is to become, like, the Khan Academy of t one d. Yeah. So that's that's our goal.
I think this... Are you... So what's the what's the the most important next step? Is it more content? Is it more distribution?
Is it more people working with you? Like, what what do you... What's your pathway look like?
So I think the first main thing that we're focusing on right now is to almost, like, audit our videos and make sure they're neurodivergent accessible and create all the content we talked about. So pulling back one step, Scott, so what you were saying, I think Molly and I are completely with you on the same page that these videos are for everyone. Mhmm. But I think what messaging got lost is the neurodivergent community didn't didn't think it was for them. So it was almost like getting them out of their, you know, shell like, no.
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No. No. It's for you first. So you get on it. It's a happy side effect that is for everybody else.
Mhmm. So I think that's what we began to notice. Like, when we would take it to friends and families at Molyneux, they're like, but is that for me? Because they're so used to thinking everyone is everyone who's neurotypical. So, like, no.
It's... So I think that's why we need to change the messaging so they are the ones who get on the website because that's where the story started.
Yeah.
So that's why coming back to your question you asked me now, the main thing we have is this advisory board and we have a, we have a few families on the advisory board who are gonna help look at our videos, tell us what... Which videos made... Videos need to be made. So what we are in search of is adult individuals or families of children who are neurodivergent and have type one who'd like to be a part of that focus group where we could say, you know, first get feedback from them. How...
You know, like, almost like their lived experience feedback. And then we take a video to them and they're like, this sucks. I don't know if you're allowed to say that on your podcast.
We... Trust me. We're being polite on this podcast right now. You can say whatever you want. Don't worry about it.
And
they kinda tell us, like, you know, I would love it if they show it to their child or the adult sees it and says, this is why... Where I'm getting stuck. And because I'm the one doing the animation and the scripting, we take it back, take it down, put it back again, and they tell us again what they think. So I think that's one piece we're missing. Second piece, like you were saying, we need funding because not many people would love to be volunteers.
Some of them would actually like to be paid for their time.
No kidding. People are hungry, are they? Yeah. Do they do they want the heat on? I...
Well, listen. I could be... I would be... Happily, when we're done, I'll share document a with you. I spent about two years collecting people's struggles in a list and then distilled it down to...
I think it's, like, thirty, forty ideas, right, that people, like, kind of universally struggle with with type one diabetes. I have a, a page on my website. It's it's juiceboxpodcast.com/jpfaq, I think. It's an FAQ page. But what it really is is it's all of my content mapped through those struggles and through the top 250 most googled type one diabetes questions.
So I took those questions and these struggles. I put them together, reverse engineered the search function so that it it it knows what people are gonna ask about. So you can plain language ask, and then it routes you to different episodes of the podcast.
Oh, nice.
Yeah. I appreciate the face, Molly, because I know when you're talking to me, you think he might be an idiot, but then you hear something like that and you take it.
Website, and I went through it. When you click start here
Yep.
And then what's hardest right now as a caregiver, I was thinking this is brilliant.
No. No.
No. Then I would just add a category. My child is neurodivergent.
Oh, I don't know if I have content for that.
Well, let's make it.
Well, that's no problem. That that... That's just getting the right per... So I'll tell you that... Listen.
I I feel for you around making content. I I use this as an example all the time. I do mental health stuff with a a licensed marriage and family therapist who has type one diabetes for almost four decades. But I went through a lot of therapist conversations before I thought, oh, that's the one I wanna do it with. And then she had to be interested.
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And then we... And now we do stuff all the time together for years. But it took me years to find her, you you know, because you can make the the thing about content creation, maybe not so much for you as for me, because mine's more conversational. But you can put the the information. It can be perfect.
I mean, Eratika, you know this better than anybody. You can give personal list. This list will save their life. Good luck getting them to read it. Good luck getting them to understand it.
Good luck getting them to hold on to it to refer back to it. Like, you have to find a way to say the thing in a way that sticks. And Mhmm. That's not that's not easy. Like, that part's that's the hard part.
And, you know, so my point is around neurodivergent stuff. Find the right person. I'll I'll make a I'll make a... I'll make 30 episodes with them. You just gotta find the right person.
The same thing around... I still struggle with celiac. I'll tell you right now, I would love to have more celiac content. Every time I talk to somebody, they get a little... I don't wanna use the wrong word.
They seem butthurt that people don't understand celiac. I said I didn't wanna use the wrong word, then I just used the only word that was in my head. They... The... I think they're more they're more insulted that people don't understand than they are interested sometimes in spreading good information.
And then when you give them the opportunity to spread good information, they don't have the background. And so I struggle to find somebody who could... And now maybe someone will hear this and go, I know. Well, send me an email. I'll make a whole series about celiac with you.
Right? I've did it with thyroid, and you have no idea how many people I... Emails I get back from people are like, oh my god. Like, my life is so much better now because you told me about, like, thyroid problems. And so, like, I'm happy to do all that stuff.
Finding the person is the hard part.
Yeah. Yeah. Especially in this space. So... Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Well...
We'll find them. We'll find them.
Did you hear Molly said, especially in this space, she used four words to relay so much pain. And, like, she's... Because why? First, I don't wanna get you in trouble, but it's a very personal thing to people. And when it's not done the way they think it should be done, they think it's being done wrong.
Right? And then they... Their back gets up about it. And then what happens? You you end up with a thousand different factions of ideas about how things are supposed to go.
Am I getting that about right? Yeah.
Yeah. Well, I think in the autistic community... Mean, the saying is if you've met one autistic person, you've met one autistic person. Right? So all our experiences are so diverse and heterogeneous that...
Yeah. We're... We will have to sift through a lot of qualitative data to figure out what is the experience and what is the need.
So... And how do you cover the most people because you're not gonna cover everybody?
No. No. Yeah. So unlike Scott, to your point, you have an extremely popular podcast and it's... You've had it for eleven years.
And even you said you don't have much for neurodivergent content. So... Which is where we're like, this is a twice invisible population. Mhmm. And and that...
If that's where our journey started, we wanna... I wanna stay true to it. Yeah. So... And that's why we had to rephrase our mission statement to use the word neurodivergent because the old version which we had, which was also a good mission statement, it was just not hitting the right population.
So when we were putting the advisory board together, they were like, yeah. I didn't realize that's what you're doing because with your website, I didn't... I wasn't getting that message, that this was meant for my child or my patients or my family. So that's why we had to kind of rephrase everything.
Well, this is for me. It's certainly... I'm not speaking for the two of you at all. And... But I will tell you that my experience has led me to believe that one of the reasons the podcast is popular, and this is gonna sound crazy, is because I don't have type one diabetes.
So I don't have a perspective that's personal. My perspect... My perspective is more, like, just functional. Right? And then I don't know what it feels like to be low.
So what I'm telling you, I would need a thousand carbs here if I was you. I don't have any of the, like, you know Yep. I don't have anything behind it. I've never been low, like, in the kitchen going, I'm just gonna keep eating because I'm afraid I'm gonna die. And so...
And I don't dismiss any of that. I'm just saying I don't come from that perspective. So I always think of it as, like, I have a caring concern. I think I have a reasonable understanding, but I have a dispassionate perspective. And I think that's what helps.
So when people are telling you what they want, they've gotta remember that there's probably some core truths that cover everybody. You just need to cover them, and then they can infer the rest. You don't have to give them every ounce of detail. You just have to give them enough to get them going and get them going in the right direction. That's what's worked for me so far.
But but it's... I... Listen. It's not tough. It's not not tough.
I have plenty of people who think that I... The... What I say is wrong or the way I say it isn't right or I should say it a different way. I have... You know, I try very hard not to listen to anybody but still take in good feedback at the same time if that makes sense.
I would also say, disconnected from that, I have a small but powerful neurodivergent population inside of my Facebook group.
You do? I've seen them. Yes. And and I'm cheering them on.
And it's it's it's an interesting moderation issue because they don't run around telling people they're neurodivergent. I just know they are from having to have, at times, been like, hey. I pulled your comment down because, like, be nicer Or, like, or, like, hey. You're missing the boat here, like, on this or something. Then I'll get a note back from this.
It's like, look. I got autism. I'm doing my best out here. They're like in a... You know?
And I don't know another way to say this. Like, visually, I wouldn't get that from them. Like, I didn't look at them and think, oh, I see that. So I don't have any way to, like, to know that, but they'll reach out and tell me. And then I'm in the weird position of when I'm moderating, like, I know these people have this going on.
It's not mine to tell other people. And sometimes people will message me and be like, hey. This lady is being rude to me. And I'm like, she's not being rude. And, like, I got...
Try... Like, I'm trying... Like, it's a weird space to try to massage, but I have found it worth the effort significantly. Also Yeah. Often their feedback is, like, spot on.
It just sometimes can lack grace or I don't
know coding. Yeah.
Yeah. Whatever you wanna call it. Exactly. Yeah.
It's Direct.
Yes, Molly. It's very direct. And and and at the same time, I don't want I don't want them to feel discouraged. I don't want the other people to... Because what I've learned too about that populate...
About the the diabetes space in general inside of that group is that if you just make it a friendly place where people can come in, they give to it and take from it what they need and what they want. And it helps everybody. So you don't want to... I don't wanna push anybody out of it.
Yeah.
But I have been seen as defending a jerk publicly, and I just bite my tongue and don't say anything Mhmm. Using this story as my as my guiding light. At some point, the Philadelphia Eagles were coached by a man named Buddy Ryan. They had a wide receiver named Chris Carter who was really good. He was very good down at the goal line, so he caught a lot of 10 yard passes for touchdowns.
One day, Buddy cut Chris Carter. He was the leading touchdown catcher on the team, but he cut him. And when the media came to him and said, why could you possibly have cut this guy? Buddy said, all he does is catch touchdowns, which is a ridiculous statement, and everyone knew it. And for years and years and decades, you could not get a different answer from Buddy Ryan about that.
And one day, Chris Carter was interviewed, and you can go find it. And what he said was, I had a serious drug problem, and Buddy Ryan saved my life. Mhmm. And then never told a god soul ever. And that's how I moderate the neurodivergent population inside of my group.
I just... It's between me and nobody else. And that... And if I gotta take crap over it and I gotta stand at 25 press conferences ago, he just catches touchdowns, which is not a reason to cut somebody. I know you two ladies maybe not huge football fans.
But, like, O'Malley is. Okay. Yeah. But that is not an excuse you would use for cutting Chris Carter at any point in his career. And and then to look fifteen, twenty years into the future and to see that interview with him...
Because I always thought that was amazing. Like, I... There was part of me that was always like, something else is going on here. I'm never gonna know what it is. But one day when Carter came out and talked about it, Buddy was dead by then, I think.
And all I could think was, like, what a good guy. Like, what an awesome thing to do for another person, you you know, and and to see the gratitude on his side. Anyway, it's... That's how I feel when I'm doing that there.
Right. Scott, that's awesome because you're giving... It's a very personal decision to reveal any part of yourself. Right? So to reveal someone is neurodivergent or autistic or this, and so you're giving agency.
It's not for me to say. Yeah. You know?
It's someone else's story, so that's awesome.
And so why did I tell that here? It's maybe so some of the people listening who think I'm a jerk could prop... Might go, oh, maybe things are going on that I don't understand. Yeah.
Be curious.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But that's a nice way of saying don't talk about things unless you know. Molly, you're you're you're in a good way of talking.
Go ahead, Pradek. I'm sorry.
Yeah. No. No. I think how... And I was thinking about when you were saying you don't have type one.
You know, I don't have type one, but difference between you and me, I don't have any personal connection with type one. Mhmm. But where I sit in my clinic, I have all these wonderful families who I care for, and I feel like I'm basically crowdsourcing their lived experience. Yeah. So, like, I think that would give me a unique vantage point.
So when we make a video about anything, you know, with, like, say, one autistic individual, I could kinda put things there that I hear or I see in the clinic. So somebody, you know, somebody who's got an autistic child, they're like, oh, that sounds like something I'm going through. So unlike yours where it's, like, all front and center, which is also great, they need a safe space to talk. I find that, you know, kids and adults might see the video and almost feel like in a nonthreatening way, see like, oh, yeah. I do that too.
But not have to worry about it because now it becomes a little more comfortable
Private.
Because it's happening to a character on the screen, not to them.
Yeah.
But I think that's what we're hoping to do. Like, you know, take the blinders off, of normalize it and let people know, like, we hear you. You're not the only one going through this.
That's
weird.... Are others who are literal with their feelings and come across as blunt, but that's just who they are.
That's how I think about the more conversational as... Conversations inside the podcast, those episodes. Ones where people will say, like, you didn't talk about diabetes much. I'm like, that lady talked about five real foibles in her life that you are probably right now mapping back to yourself and going, oh, when she said it, it sounded ridiculous. When I do it, I think it's reasonable.
Maybe I should consider that for another second. Right? And that is another great way. You can't always tell somebody they're learning. That's that's not valuable.
Sometimes it just has to happen in front of them. And my daughter said to me the other day, she goes, you came downstairs. My friend was here. And I I won't give the details of it. She goes, you said this, this, and this.
And she's like, I know why you did that. And I was like, oh, yeah? So what do you think? And she told me and I like, oh, that is exactly why I did that. Because I was trying to get her friend to think about something without thinking about it.
So I said something about myself in passing and then never leaned back on it again. I think she'll get it or she won't. Right? But, yeah, that's just... I think it makes a lot of sense to do things that way.
Mhmm. I will tell you too. There will be people who listen to this, and they'll... And I'll get a note that says, you didn't let those ladies talk enough. You talk too much about your podcast.
You... Let me talk to them for a second. Everyone would have shut this off twenty five minutes ago if I didn't do this. And that's the other thing that they need to understand that if I say this is an episode about animating neurodivergent type one content, five people are gonna click on it. Like, you don't...
Like, it's hard to, like, you you... This part of it's important. Like, right? Like, I know that you don't know you're being manipulated while you're listening, but I am manipulating you while you're listening into thinking, I wonder what dumb thing this guy is gonna say. Let me hang on for another five seconds to see what happens.
Then I let you guys in, and you say something thoughtful. They hear that by mistake, and then wait for me to be stupid again. It's a... Listen. It's an art form.
The Molly, it's a... It's an art form. I'm just gonna tell
you right
now. But...
But now the secrets are people most are.
No. That's the great thing. Don't forget. It doesn't matter. I I take hate listens just the same as happy listens.
I don't care. All the downloads count the same when I'm cashing my checks, so you all know. What am I not asking you about that you would desperately want people to know about? I wanna give both of you a chance.
What they actually need59:15
We didn't expect that question. Well, let's see. Videos... Our videos are bite sized. They're a unique space because they're made by me, so it's all medical...
Medically accurate, but it's also folding and lived experience. So it's probably the own... And it's comprehensive. Mhmm. So our hope is one day if you're like, I have a question about this.
Where can I learn about this? You can land on our website or another YouTube channel and find it. That's our ultimate goal. So pump sensors, devices, mental health, exercise, something with interception, like anything you have in mind, it should be there. If you don't find it there, drop us an email.
Let us know what's missing, and we'll make it happen.
Nice. Molly?
I would say if you're autistic, neurodivergent, ADHD, reach out to us. Contact at animate t one d dot org, and we would love your input. So... Awesome. Yeah.
We want to hear from the community, and we want you to be seen and as much as we can as to pretty determined women support this community.
You see how lovely these two ladies are? I just wanna be clear to the people listening. I don't care what you think at all. I'm just gonna do whatever I want. So I would I would never change the podcast based on your impact.
And that's why this is fun.
No. I'm just I'm just... I... First of all, I'm joking about that. There's one more...
No.
There's one more thing that they should know that it's entirely volunteer run. We don't have any paid employees. Mhmm. And all the money that's gone into it has been personal donations, a lot of credit card swiping. So just to give them a sense of how this has been all put together so far.
Good for you. Mhmm. That's awesome. Do you think anybody... Has anyone shown a desire to get behind you?
Helmsley Foundation, something like that? Anything there? Helmsley could maybe just, you know, just empty the change in their pockets and keep you going for a couple of year. Anything like that at all, Rodhika? Have we heard about that?
I know. No. No. Because Hensley actually on its website says large institution backed. So...
And I think that's where we kinda run into trouble. In the beginning, I... We realized it because we just didn't have enough of a footprint, but now we do. We have a couple of years worth of tax returns and impact reports that we can share. So I'm hoping that the donors with deeper pockets will now kind of pay attention.
Because I understand if you wanna cut a big check, you wanna see something. Yeah. So now I think we've got a couple of years worth of something. Yeah. So now we're hoping now we're hoping to reach out with a little bit more of substance.
Okay.
Mhmm.
How about, devices that are good for are there, like, a... Is there a device that neurodivergent people find more palatable? Like
As far as...
I don't know. A pump, a CGM? Is there something that... Do you know what I mean? Like, that you could sell some ads or something like that?
Or do you know what I mean? Like, get some backing that way. I don't know.
Yeah. We're open to that.
And usually, Omnipod tends to be
Yeah.
More popular with, you know, autistic sensory individuals than Keith Slim or any of the tubed ones. So both of them. Right?
Yeah. No. That would be a lovely thing for them to be involved in. It's not... It's a...
I would imagine a fairly low dollar endeavor, and they could, you know, get get into a population where maybe they're not thinking about it. I would think all companies should be thinking that way. You you know what I mean? Like Yeah. I...
Especially... Listen. I'm I'm I'm no professional. I also didn't go to college, Radhika, so don't judge me. But I am in this space a lot.
Why are singling me out there?
Because you... Because I'm assuming you went to college for a thousand years. That's why. And...
Two thousand.
Which one's better here? Right?
I have no idea. But the way... But look at the niche, aspect of it. Right? Like, I I know you and I were...
The three of us were talking about this before we started today, and I haven't put any of this public yet. But I've been digging in through something called PodScan, which is boring and nobody cares about. But they have APIs that you can use to look into podcasts, like, from the inception. And this podcast that I make, which is, to your point earlier, Molly, it's not even health. Right?
It's not health and fitness. It's inside of health and fitness. It's inside of medicine. It's diabetes. It's not really diabetes.
It's inside of diabetes. Right? Like, I'm a niche within a niche within a niche within a niche. And I am one of, like, fewer than 200 podcasts that have been going as long as I have been, as many downloads as I have, and as consistently as I have been. I also built a massive online community around the whole thing.
And, like, when you're selling things, talking about people helping you, you don't need to reach 15,000,000 people to sell to people with type one diabetes, your pump or your CGM or something like that. 500 of them, a thousand of them, that's a lot of people. And it's not a heavy lift of... I mean, I'm just saying, make something like this easy for these ladies. Like, let them get this content out there.
You'll sell your pumps. Like, you know what I mean? Like, they... I mean, those pumps aren't cheap. They don't have to sell many of them to make back the money they're giving you.
Like, let's go. Somebody think outside of the... I'm tired of being so smart, Radhika. I need somebody else to jump in and get involved. Okay?
I'm getting old. Can't I can't do this forever. Someone else has gotta start thinking. It can't just be me all the time. Okay?
I'm tired. Look at me. I'm I'm dying here. I'm so tired. Okay?
I need the bags under my eyes. It's ridiculous. Molly, don't laugh at me. You're out
bright eyed.
You too haven't seen the sun in six years. You don't know which way is up. What are you taking? Ten ten thousand IUs of vitamin d a week? What are doing?
Four thousand. Okay. Alright.
What's up, dad? Go outside. Go for a walk. Don't get killed by... What do you have?
Bears up there? What do you got up there?
We don't have bears.
No bears.
We don't. I mean, if you go out in the woods, but...
Yeah. Yeah.
No. We have boring garter snakes.
Garden... Can...... Ducks. Oregon ducks.
Stop it.
This is... Football ranked number two.
Is that what you meant when you said football? College
football. I grew up in Los Angeles, so I won't tell you who I'm a fan of.
Oh, that's so sad. Are you a Rams fan? No. Not even......
Should be because Justin Herbert. But...
Yeah. Alright. I'll just test you here. Would you prefer the Angels or the Dodgers?
Oh, ask me where I'm going Saturday.
Alright. You're going to a Dodgers game, aren't you?
I'm flying down to Santa Barbara, and I'll hang out with my girlfriend and go to a... I grew up going to both Dodgers and Angels games.
Well, now you've turned everyone off because they think you've bought baseball team, and now they don't wanna help you anymore as I say.
It's more hanging out with my friend. I hope maybe they'll win.
They might
not, though.
That sounds lovely. I would love... I'd love to go to a dodgers game. Okay. Alright.
You guys are awesome. I appreciate you doing this very much. Would you hold on for one second for me?
Yes.
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That's right. It really is. What else we got over here? Oh, I don't like the way that works. I'm gonna fix that.
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