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Terri, a 62-year type 1 veteran shares life before tech, college challenges, and 20 years helping others through her work in the diabetes supply world.
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Scott Benner 0:00
Terry, Welcome back friends to another episode of The Juicebox podcast.
Terri 0:16
Hi, I'm Terry. I was diagnosed in 1963 with type one diabetes back in the old days,
Scott Benner 0:28
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Terri 2:07
Hi, I'm Terry. I was diagnosed in 1963 with type one diabetes back in the old days, 63
Scott Benner 2:17
wait if I'm 53 now, and I was born in 71 then you were diagnosed, 61
Terri 2:23
years ago. Yeah, 60 Yeah, 62 years ago. Wow. How old are you now? Well, at the moment, I'm 76
Scott Benner 2:31
Oh, that's awesome. So you were 14 when you were diagnosed.
Terri 2:35
I was 15 years old. Geez, I was 15 years old and taking Driver's Ed. How did you figure out you had type one? Well, between the driving teacher and me, every time I would get in the car, I'd say, Could you stop at the stop and go 711 I need to get a drink. And we had, I had a partner that was driving with me. We would switch, and he would stop, and I would buy a sprite, and I would guzzle the sprite down. And then 15 minutes later, I'd say, Could you stop again? I have to go the bathroom. And he would stop again. And this, you know, went on and on for and he said, You think that there's something wrong with you. And I said, Well, I'm just thirsty. Apparently, this is what I remember about the whole thing, because it's, you know, it's hard to remember, especially when you're old and moldy like me. My mother saw me getting out of the bathtub. She turned around and she went, Oh my God, you're so skinny. What's the matter with you? And I said, Well, I don't know. I've been going to the bathroom a lot lately. You know, I've been really, really thirsty. It did not dawn on her. She had no earthly idea what was going on, and neither did I. So she said, Well, I think maybe you have a kidney infection. We went to the doctor that day or the next day, and I just remember him listening to everything, and he said, Okay, this is what I want you to do now. This was a general practitioner, you know, my doctor that I had seen since I got out of the pediatrician. I want you to get up in the morning and I want you to eat a really hearty breakfast, like pancakes and syrup and milk and eggs and everything, and then come to the doctor so that that's basically, was my glucose tolerance. Yeah, right, my blood sugar was well into the 400 it's almost 500 I guess. And he told my mother, and, you know, yada yada, she cried. And basically he prescribed a bottle of insulin, a glass syringe, a stainless steel needle, and said, Take 42 units of this medicine every day. I just remember 42 and I. Don't eat sweets, does it was that beef and pork? It was mph,
Scott Benner 5:05
mph, it was okay. It was okay. And so, wow, how about that? That's simple. That was the sum of the diabetes education. What about other people in your family? Like, did you guys know about diabetes?
Terri 5:16
My paternal grandmother had type two diabetes, but she was taking insulin, because I remember the insulin bottle stacked up in her refrigerator. She had many, and when she died, they asked me if I wanted them all. And I went, No, I don't think so. I
Scott Benner 5:32
got my own thanks, though, that's the the extent of the direction that you got. And you're 50, you're 15, you're, I mean, that's young
Terri 5:41
15. That was right in the middle, you know, teenage years, people were going out. We, the group that I was with had a place to go. It was a hamburger place, big boy hamburgers. It was right across the street from the temple, and we would go there, you know, on Friday, Saturday and Saturday nights, basically, after whatever we did, and everybody would have hamburgers and milkshakes. And I remember one kid saying, my mother told me that the milkshakes here were low calorie. And I said, really low calorie, maybe I can eat them. And so I started ordering the milkshakes,
Scott Benner 6:24
but you're not testing your blood sugar. Terry, right? Like you're just giving yourself that big shot in the morning, and that's it. There
Terri 6:30
was no testing, except for the urine testing. And because every time I tested my urine, it turned orange, I just decided not to test anymore. What did orange mean? Orange was high, you know, four plus sugars in your urine or whatever. Occasionally, it would be a different color, but that was if I tested in the morning, right?
Scott Benner 6:52
You have brothers and sisters.
Terri 6:55
I do. I have a sister who is three and a half years younger, and I have a brother who's 12 and a half years younger.
Scott Benner 7:05
And are there other like, does anybody have thyroid issues or celiac or anything like that?
Terri 7:09
Nobody does. Nobody on either side besides my paternal grandmother. Okay, that I know of, I don't know about uncles and aunts and things. Wait, I had an aunt who had rheumatoid arthritis, but I was always told that she got it because she had
Scott Benner 7:27
rheumatic fever. Okay, did you have any, like, big traumas or illnesses before you were diagnosed?
Terri 7:35
I have tried to think about that so many times. I don't remember. It could have been, you know, a cold or the flu or something like that. I did have chicken pox. I did have measles. Those were a lot younger.
Scott Benner 7:50
I just interviewed somebody the other day who had pancreatitis, like, really bad pancreatitis, and then got type one later, and I was like, I looked it up, and sure enough, that can happen. I was like, oh, it's interesting. Okay, so you said your mom cried, like you made a specific point of saying that, was she, like, an involved mom, or did she not? She
Terri 8:08
was very involved. She was okay, she was she Yeah, she was the ruler of the roost. Basically, my father was really laid back, and I never saw him get upset. My mother was the one who did all the discipline and everything. But the more I think about it, the more we didn't know what to do. Yeah, I mean, we didn't. She made healthy dinners, you know, I ate as much as I wanted to, if there was potatoes on the plate, and she served, you know, potatoes I ate, potatoes I ate. I just remember having meat, vegetables and a salad, okay, most of the evenings, and buying my lunch at school, sometimes taking my lunch to school. And as a teenager, mainly buying my lunch. There was no, not a lot of information,
Scott Benner 8:57
right? So not a lot to do. Then, really, you just inject. So you injected in the morning. She didn't help you with that. You with that. You did that
Terri 9:03
well for a long time. I could say, Mom, could you give me my shot today or but I do it too, and it was hard, you know, to learn. Oh, it's a little needle phobic, but I got over it. I mean, you got to get over it sometime. Yeah, I know your daughter is having a hard time? Yeah, it's tough, right? I would go, okay, 123, go.
Scott Benner 9:26
I choose. It's about how it ends up. Yeah. So when do you think it changes? Like, what's the first adjustment to that process of managing yourself? Like, because, I mean, you're saying, like, you do the urine test, it's not even worth doing, because your blood sugar is going to be high anyway. When's the first time that and does it come from you saying I need to do something different? Or is it a doctor making a suggestion?
Terri 9:47
Well, I will tell you as much as I can remember I went through all the way through the rest of high school and most of college with that same doctor and doing. Same thing. I remember going to college taking my insulin. Of course, I had had permission to boil my syringes. I had a little hot plate and, you know, in the dorm, and I could do that, but we didn't have refrigeration. So I would keep my insulin in the cafeteria, and I would go down, probably eat breakfast, get my insulin, put it on the tray, and then go up back upstairs and take my shot.
Scott Benner 10:30
You literally kept your insulin in the refrigerator in your college kitchen. I did. I did. Do you remember? Was there other insulin in there, or was it just yours? I don't
Terri 10:40
remember anybody in my girls dorm that had type one diabetes, and I didn't really look for them. My girlfriends knew what to do. My roommate and my girlfriends around you know, knew what to do. There was a time when we were playing softball. Our dorm was playing softball against another dorm. And I know, I remember walking in after the softball game, and it was hot. I'm in Texas. It's, you know, basically hot all year. I remember walking in and saying, I'm going to sit down here by the elevator. And I sat down, and the next thing I knew, I was in my room, and my girlfriends were stuffing Hershey bars in my mouth, and they had gone through two, and they were getting ready to open the third Hershey bar. You popped up when, when I got my senses and I went, let's don't do that. How often did that happen? Probably not that much, especially lows like that. I'm pretty aware of low blood sugars, even to this day, and which is lucky, because, you know, a lot of people can't feel their lows, but sometimes I can feel my low before the Dexcom tells me, or the Dexcom is a little higher, yeah, you know, and I'm a little lower. But that was one of those times that I really, you know, remembered
Scott Benner 12:03
passing out, yeah and not a seizure, just losing consciousness. Okay?
Terri 12:09
This went on pretty much through college. I remember drinking at fraternity parties. I remember not binging eating, but basically eating what I wanted. I knew about sweets. So, you know, I would have a few bites of desserts and let you know, allow myself that, but not knowing what my blood sugars were and not remembering what I had, you know, the carbs that I had eaten before. Yeah, and I don't think I was encouraged to take, you know, a big step and learn more about it, until the ADA came out with all the exchanges.
Scott Benner 12:51
So that's not even carb counting, really. It's like a certain amount of your plate. Is one thing, a certain amount your plates. The other thing is that how it was right?
Terri 12:58
In fact, I was going through some old papers today last night, and I came across some ADA exchange lists, which were really funny, but that's the way I still
Scott Benner 13:09
think, okay, so you start doing that. What in your early 20s,
Terri 13:13
pretty much. I got married right out of college. Okay? I moved from the Dallas area where I grew up. Went to school in Austin, and then I moved to Houston. The man that I married was from Houston, and I went to his GP, who told me, You are brittle. You are very brittle. You have brittle diabetes, brittle, brittle. That's how I spoke. He was from the old country, yes,
Scott Benner 13:39
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Terri 16:26
Well, you know, when I went for blood tests, I started eating right a week before, you know, eating diet type menus,
Scott Benner 16:38
you thought it would make your blood work better,
Terri 16:41
right? Yeah. Okay, so I don't remember when I went on two injections, not quite sure when I went on two injections, but I think it may have been at that time, okay, I went on two injections, and then early on in Houston, I went to a meeting of people with type one diabetes at the time. It was before the 80s. It was called AIDS, adult Association, insulin dependent, something like that. Okay? And I met a doctor there who had a revolutionary idea. His idea was to take a long acting insulin and then take a short acting insulin before each meal. And I said, that sounds pretty reasonable. I could do that. And I was with him. He's great. He's still practicing. And that was basically in the mid 70s, okay, he also happened to own a diabetes supply company. He was his office was upstairs, and his store was downstairs.
Scott Benner 17:52
That revolutionary idea comes out. Was he ahead of the curve, like, was he taking a risk saying this out loud, being, you know, kind of a was he out on the edge of the sword? I guess I'm asking, like, you
Terri 18:04
think it was, I'm pretty sure it was. He said, This is something that we are trying now, okay? And he gave a speech about and I went up to him later, and I said, you know, I would like to do this. I'm taking two or three shots a day. I think I was on some regular insulin, or two shots a day. I said, you know, I'd like to try this. I'd like to come to you. I've never been to a specialist before, and I think I probably need some, you know, tuning. It was probably about 7273
okay, because in 1970 or maybe it was later than that, because in 1973
I got pregnant, and I went to a regular gynecologist, obstetrician, and about month seven, I started gaining lots and lots of weight every couple weeks, and he did an x ray and found that the baby was not viable. Oh, my and so that was at seven
Scott Benner 19:16
months. You lost that baby at that point.
Terri 19:20
Okay, I did. Now, fast forward 10 years. I did not know the reason for this, for this failed pre pregnancy, until I got pregnant 10 years later with my son and I went to a specialist, you know diabetes? What is it? Perinatologist, she said, Do you know the reason that you had this bad pregnancy? I said, No. She said it was because of high blood sugars. And I went, Oh, nobody ever told me that
Scott Benner 19:55
you had no idea when you got pregnant, the first time that your outcomes were. With your diabetes had any impact at all in the pregnancy.
Terri 20:03
Okay, I knew that I, you know, needed to eat better. You eat a little bit more for two or one and a half or whatever, like that, always hungry. But when a one CS came out, my first a 1c was 13, and I said, is that bad?
Scott Benner 20:21
Do you remember what they told you? They told
Terri 20:24
me it was 13. I said, Okay, is that bad? I
Scott Benner 20:29
said, Yes, it's very bad. What do you think you just weren't taking enough insulin? I mean, the long and the short of it is, you're doing that two or three shots a day, and then you move to so when you have the 13, a, 1c, you're now doing a slow and a long and a fast acting insulin at that point, right? Okay, and so the guy had the revolutionary idea to do a background insulin and a meal insulin, but he didn't talk about how to measure
Terri 20:54
it. I think we, you know, I think we worked on it. I was the type of person that I'm not fooling anybody but myself, but I would eat a little bit more, or have a little bit of dessert, or take a little bit of ice cream, or, you know, or all of these things didn't hurt until blood glucose monitoring came out, and you could see it every time you did it.
Scott Benner 21:20
Yeah, that changed things for you. It really did. Yeah, having a meter and so, so are you trying to tell me you knew you weren't optimally eating and using your insulin, but you just kind of told yourself you were, and you
Terri 21:33
kept going, right? And then when you, you know, when I had a blood test, my blood value would come out 130 and the doctor would say, well, you're doing well, you know, it's 130 it's good.
Scott Benner 21:45
Was that like your fasting number? That was my
Terri 21:47
fasting number. Yeah, right.
Scott Benner 21:49
So I got you all right. So you get a meter for the first time, and do you start using it? Or does the doctor kind of make
Terri 21:55
you I had one of those plug in dial, dial up type meters. I was excited to get a meter, and I could afford to get one of those ones that plugged into the wall, and you had to run water over it, and it took two minutes and so and then you had to dial it. You had to dial these two dials so that they would match. It took like forever to get a blood sugar. And, you know, once I saw the higher blood sugars, the thing to do was just to get on board. I, you know, then I started asking a lot of questions, how can I be better? What can I do to take you know, what can I do to eat better?
Scott Benner 22:39
Does your increased interest coincide with not just getting a meter, but also a second pregnancy? Or do those things kind of happen at the same time? I'm trying to figure out what motivated you to like ask more questions.
Terri 22:51
When I started going to this doctor, I started paying attention to the things in his office, the store that he had downstairs. This all culminated in my jobs for them, you know, for then and after, I started paying more attention to it, reading a lot of things, and kind of educating myself, since nobody else was going to do it for me, since I had, you know, left my family and my mother really didn't know enough to say, let's find out more about this. You know, let's try to help you, and let's see how you know, we can make you live for a long time, I really started doing a lot of these things myself, okay? And I was interested in his business enough to say, I want to work for you. You know, after my second child was born, I want to work for you. And I got involved in marketing and going to doctors offices and just, you know, trying to get people to come into the store. That was about the time. Fast forward to about 1989 when we moved to San Antonio, I opened a store for him here, a diabetes store, right? So I kind of got in the middle of things. I was running a store. I had diabetes books, I had all kinds of papers. I would go to the doctor's offices, I would see what the endocrinologists were doing. I mean, he was an endocrinologist. I got hooked up with a really good endocrinologist here in San Antonio, but I was working in the diabetes field. It made me learn things.
Scott Benner 24:36
Yeah, it just gave you more access to ideas, right?
Terri 24:39
Yeah. I would go to speakers. I would listen. I would go to the diabetes educators in all the hospitals. I would market them, as it turned out, that company, he finally sold the stores to another company who I don't know. I had six or eight name tags on my chest before i. He finally sold to a company who is still in business, a company that is very, very similar to the company that you advertise on on the radio,
Scott Benner 25:10
okay? Some like us, med, they sell devices and things like that. One of their competitors, right, right? And he eventually they bought up his business. Yes, they did. Did you continue to work for them, or was that the end
Terri 25:22
of it? For you, I did. I worked almost 20 years in the diabetes field,
Scott Benner 25:26
no kidding. And so like to go back a little bit. You have a lot of hindsight here, obviously. So in the time of your life, of diagnosis, into your 20s, even through your first pregnancy, there was no other information, right? It's not like it was out there and you didn't know it. It just until the ADA started talking about it. I've heard other people your age talk about this. You were just doing the thing they told you to do, and there was no it wasn't like there was more to learn, and you didn't know it, right? It just didn't exist,
Terri 25:54
pretty much, yeah,
Scott Benner 25:57
okay, then the ADA comes together, starts putting together guidelines for people, you know, there's magazines, and if you ever saw one of those old magazines or not, but like, Oh, see, my,
Terri 26:05
you know, the doctor that owned the business, he put ads in the ADA magazine. He wrote AD. He was, he was the first mail order diabetes supply company. No
Scott Benner 26:17
kidding, yeah, by point for people listening, who are more newly diagnosed, or just, you know, even just half your age, even that's it like there was nothing. Hey, you're lucky we have insulin now. Good luck. And that's the end of it until, until you can start testing your blood sugar in your home. Because people talk about it now like, Oh, I didn't have a CGM. But then i I finally could see how my blood sugars were moving, and it changed how I thought about it, like you test your blood sugar one day and you thought, oh, maybe I should be doing something about this. Let me learn more about this.
Terri 26:48
My daughter, who just turned 50, got here with no glucose monitoring.
Scott Benner 26:53
That's scary through that pregnancy, yeah,
Terri 26:58
you know, I finally got pregnant about six or seven months later, and that pregnancy was fine. By that time, another year and a half later, they figured out that they would take the baby, they would do some testing on their lung capacity, and take the child three weeks early through C section. So she was born three weeks early. She was seven pounds, one ounce at whatever that is, 36 weeks or something. She looks like a moose in the preemie nursery, because they had to keep her in there for a while.
Scott Benner 27:35
They took her early so that she wouldn't gain more weight in those last few weeks. What
Terri 27:39
they said was that babies of diabetic mothers in the last three weeks of pregnancies tend to have mysterious deaths. Okay, so they would take
Scott Benner 27:51
them. Gotcha? Does she have type two diabetes today as an adult?
Terri 27:55
She does not. Okay. She's very thin and very active. She's got psoriasis.
Scott Benner 28:01
She does have a little bit of an autoimmune thing. You said you had a son too, right?
Terri 28:08
My son is perfectly healthy. So far,
Scott Benner 28:11
so far, you said, Hello, so far. He
Terri 28:15
will be 40 on my birthday. He was born on my birthday.
Scott Benner 28:18
Wow. There's a world where you could have a 4050, and 60 year old child, or not 60, but like your kids would have been, if that first pregnancy goes to term, your kids would have been spread out, like, pretty significantly, huh,
Terri 28:31
right? Yeah. I mean, you know, I had a brother who was 12 and a half years younger, and then I did it myself, yeah, but that was due to really bad medical advice, really, because I had a doctor. Finally, when I did get to a specialist with my daughter, who said, Well, you know, you had it. You had one good child. I don't recommend you have any more. And I said, okay, but I will tell you a funny story. When I was working for the doctor. I went to a family practice convention. We had a booth there, and I was handing out all kinds of things to these family practice doctors, and in another booth, do you remember? Did you watch Seinfeld? Of course, yeah, okay. Do you remember the episode with the today's sponge.
Scott Benner 29:23
I mean vaguely, but I don't know if I have enough details, but go ahead, tell
Terri 29:27
me. Elaine, you know, got a whole closet full, you know, she, she bought out the, I don't know, the wholesaler of these today's sponges, and she would have dates with these men and decide if they were sponge worthy or not. It was really a funny show.
Scott Benner 29:47
She didn't want to use up a sponge on a bad guy. Yeah, I got you Okay,
Terri 29:51
right? As it turned out, I changed my contraceptive just because those things came out and sounded like. Those were a lot easier than what I was doing. And so I got pregnant, oops, at this family practice convention, I came by and they said, Oh, you know, how are you? And I'm talking to them. And I they said, Have you ever used our product? And I said, I have. Can you wait a minute? And I went back to the booth, and I got my purse and with my picture of my baby son, and I said, Yes, I've used your product, and here's the
Scott Benner 30:27
result. Yeah, here's how it worked out for me. I tried your contraceptive, and I have this kid.
Terri 30:33
And they looked at me and they said, You may leave this booth right now.
Scott Benner 30:37
Feel free to walk away. Yeah, I love that. So what did you name your son? Is he spongy or what do you call him? You guys ever call him SpongeBob? That'd be awesome.
Terri 30:47
My husband used to call him froggy because he would laugh like, like, froggy the Gremlin. You old enough to remember that the Gremlins movie no was before that? Oh, sorry, was on some, some old black and white TV show, and he would laugh
Scott Benner 31:07
like that. All I can tell you is, I referenced Rocky and Bullwinkle the other day, and I realized that I was watching a television show as a kid. A cartoon is a child that was made like 15 years before I was born. I thought it was brand new. It was already, you know, already you know, it's already 20 years old. When
Terri 31:22
I was watching it, I love that play. I love that show. It was good.
Scott Benner 31:26
Okay, so let's jump forward a little bit. Okay, because here you are. You're 76 years old. You somehow know who I am. That's ridiculous, and you've been through all this stuff. Like, is there a time when you think back and think, this is when my diabetes understanding knowledge and technology became more modern. Like, when do you think of as your you know as your modernization of your diabetes? I think there's two
Terri 31:50
times Well, a couple times once, when I got an insulin pump in 1997 endocrinologist I was doing well at the time, and he said, You're doing so well, you don't need a pump. Now, he was a big name here in the San Antonio area, very big name, I guess he pumps were just becoming the fashion with the type ones, and he didn't think that I needed the but I but I got one anyway. Okay, so I started with a Medtronic 506 or something like that, and I moved up from there with with Medtronic. I decided, after getting all of these electronic devices, that I had to have the newest and the best. Unfortunately, the insurance made you wait four years, of course, you know, to upgrade. I did not go on the pod because I thought it was too bulky at the time. I went on the tandem for a while. I loved the tandem, but I did not like the clip, and I couldn't put it anywhere.
Scott Benner 32:54
Can you imagine it right now? If you're listening in your tandem, you're like, oh, it's the clip we that's how we lost her.
Terri 33:02
The Omnipod, because, of course,
Scott Benner 33:05
probably like, damn it, you just couldn't find a place to comfortably wear the pump at that time. That's
Terri 33:10
great. Too much rolls around my I'm not fat, but I have a roll around my middle. And every time I'd stick it on my waistband and bend over around, it would either stick me or pop off, and it didn't have the right clip to clip it on my bra or in my bra, so I just couldn't find a place to put it. And I would get really frustrated. And then the Omnipod dash came out, and I thought I would try it, and I really liked it. I really liked it. In the last couple years, I would say in the last two and a half years, I decided to really get into the intricacies of learning diabetes. Okay, well, the first thing I did was pay exorbitant amount of money to a guy on the online I'm sure you know who it is, but and I took his class, and I paid half attention to it, I didn't dig deep enough when I finally decided that his method of Teaching was not the way that I wanted to learn. And I had been reading your the Facebook page, like a lot of women or a lot of adults, thinking, Oh, it's just for kids. It's it's parents with kids as asking a lot of questions. And then I would see some questions from adults and go, Well, you know, I'm learning from this. And then I started listening to your podcasts, and that's when I got really, really into it, you know, I'm finally, after 60 some odd years, finally understanding how insulin works.
Scott Benner 34:57
I'm glad that's awesome. Yeah. Yeah, that's really great.
Terri 35:01
And I still get frustrated with things, because I think that all pumps need to be on extended Bolus, especially if you eat any protein,
Scott Benner 35:12
even the aid systems, you wish they still had an extended Bolus. The Omnipod
Terri 35:16
five has an extended Bolus, and a lot of times I'm in extended Bolus for at least breakfast and dinner, and then I switch back to auto, and I'll switch back to auto at night, which will be, you know, fine and perfect. Then if you want to eat something in the middle of this extended Bolus, you can't give yourself any more
Scott Benner 35:38
because it's because you just will it cancel the extended Bolus. If you make a new Bolus,
Terri 35:45
you could, okay, you know, I could figure out how much is left and then extend that, you know, take what I want to eat and then wait, and then, you know, and then eat it.
Scott Benner 35:59
Are you using it like automation for overnight and and you're running manual during the day. Do you do that every day? I
Terri 36:06
run manual part of the day. Okay, I try to get back on on auto mode. But then if I eat a lot of protein, I drink a smoothie in the morning. I drink the same smoothie that I've had for probably a year or more. It's got this, you know, the protein powder. It's got peanut butter, almond butter. It's a high calorie, high protein. It's got strawberries and bananas in it, cinnamon, all that stuff. Yeah, it's got about 54 grams of of carbs. Well,
Scott Benner 36:41
I mean, and that's important, right as your age specifically, right, to get that protein in and and to get enough fuel for you during the day. Is it harder to eat when you're older? Do I hear a lot of people say that, like, I'm not hungry anymore? Is that part of your issue?
Terri 36:55
Well, I don't know if that's because of age or the fact that a couple of years ago, I had a bacterial gut infection that just really messed me up. I mean, I lost a bunch of weight and I wasn't hungry for a long time. I bought lost a bunch of muscle, yeah, and I'm trying to get it back by going to Pilates and walking. And I think my face is a little fuller. I mean, put on a couple more pounds and I look, I don't look so gaunt anymore. I eat that because I know I can, I know exactly how many proteins and fats that I have, and I drink that, and I'm not hungry until about two o'clock in the afternoon.
Scott Benner 37:39
Okay, so it's good, it's filling, and it's giving you the micro and macronutrients that you need,
Terri 37:44
right? I probably should add some of that green stuff that you advertise. I
Scott Benner 37:48
mean, listen, if you want to, it's, I think it's drink ag one slash Juicebox.
Terri 37:53
Does it taste funny? Does it taste like green? How does ag
Scott Benner 37:56
one taste I've heard some people describe it as like lemon, but I don't have that feeling about it. What I can tell you is that I tried a number of green drinks. This is the only one that I can actually drink that doesn't make me want to, like, dump it down the sink. It's not like a root beer float or anything like that, but it's it's pleasant, it's not objectionable, it's not gritty. You know, I like it. I think it's the one. It's funny. Because I think people think, well, they just, they buy an ad. So you say you drink it, but it's the one I landed on that I actually liked. So just kind of got lucky that they were interested in doing it. I don't know. You can give it a try, see what you think. If you don't like it, you know, stop doing it. Since I've been on a GLP medication. I use a protein powder too, you know, because sometimes it's just, I mean, I don't know if it's my it's my age or not, but there are days where I feel like, Oh, my God, I do have to eat again. Like, I mean, how long am I going to be alive? You know what? I mean, I don't want any of this anymore. I've eaten this stuff so many times. Like, I find myself wishing all the time it was the Jetsons and I could just take that pill and I'd be done. But, you know, sometimes you get hungry for something, but I don't know, generally speaking, I'm not like a real food person. I don't run around like thinking, oh God, you know, it would be awesome today if I had this or this.
Terri 39:07
Well, as an older person, you do see a lot of older people. I mean, I go out with a group of altar Cockers. Do you know what that is?
Scott Benner 39:16
I know a little Yiddish. I'm good. Go ahead.
Terri 39:19
Okay, that's old people who complain a lot, and most of them will share, you know, share meals, not because of cost, but because they just don't want that much food at night. Yeah,
Scott Benner 39:31
by the way, you're making me think that, if I can, I can keep podcasting another 20 years. I could just make a podcast where I just bitching about stuff constantly. I think that would be awesome, don't you just got on here and just made a list of grievances. One of them would be the kid in the green hat this morning who was texting with both hands while trying to make a right turn in front of me. I'd like to complain about him for about 20 minutes, if I could. Yeah, I'm gonna keep that in mind. I might, I might ditch this diabetes thing one day and just turn into an old guy bitching. That'd be a ghost. I might, I might actually get old guy bitching. Dot com right now, just so I can get, I can get ahead of this. You know, I love to complain. I can't wait to get older. It's going to be awesome. But you guys hate it when each other complains, though, right?
Terri 40:09
We, I know we do, and we and we all talk about, you know, the illness, or how good or bad the illness is at the moment, especially the husbands. A lot of the husbands are failing my my husband passed away 13 years ago, almost 13 years ago.
Scott Benner 40:27
Oh my gosh. And how old were you at that time? In your mid 60s,
Terri 40:30
I was 64 he was 65 he didn't feel good for the longest time. And I kept saying, call the doctor. Call the doctor. I finally, one day, handed him the telephone. I said, this is a telephone. I know you know a phone because you're an attorney and you're on the phone all the time, so, but this is a phone that calls the doctor. I'm leaving, call the doctor now, make an appointment. And the doctor didn't like what he heard when he met with him and said, I'm sending you for a CT scan, full body scan, right now. And he sent him over and came back with he had tumors in his Liver. Liver cancer doesn't come from the liver. It metastasizes to the liver. So they were kind of unsure, even until the day he died, where the cancer really started. But he lived for about 18 months, worked every day, up until two weeks before, called the family, you know, a couple weeks before, before he died, he didn't know he was gonna die, but and he said, Okay, here's the papers for this, and you take this, and I want you to do this. And you know, it's like everything was planned. I couldn't have asked for anything better, right? He was a cool guy. Bernie, the attorney,
Scott Benner 41:55
I'm sorry. Do you think going sooner to the doctor would have changed his outcome or not
Terri 42:00
necessary. It depends on how much sooner, you know, how much sooner, how badly? Because it was stage four at the time, he just kept saying, you know, I just close the door in the afternoon and take a nap in my office. I said, That's
Scott Benner 42:16
not you. Was he on chemo for those 18 months?
Terri 42:19
Yeah, he was, yeah, Geez, that sucks. I'm sorry. It was, did you try to date afterwards?
Scott Benner 42:28
Go ahead, Tara, tell me, how'd it go?
Terri 42:32
Yeah, I did. I had several boyfriends, one for about almost six years. We're still friends. And then a couple here and there I was on dating apps, and I have one who, right now is here. Is he in the
Scott Benner 42:50
house? Now? No, he's not here. But Terry, can I ask a very Listen, I know you're 76 and people are going to think this is indelicate, but I really have a serious question. You were with your husband your whole life, right? So you you age together. So you just, I don't know if people realize this or not, but like, I mean, if you stop every once in a while, you're like, God, I'm older. Like, you can see it, but you don't really feel it day to day, because you're aging together. But once Bernie is gone and the next guy shows up, the first time, all the clothes come off, you think I'm about to have sex with an old man. Does it feel that way? Please tell me, I really want to know, yes, but you don't feel like you should be right? You feel like you'd be like, Oh, I shouldn't be doing this. I'm downgraded. No, no.
Terri 43:32
I you know, nobody feels their age. I mean, some people do, you know, during, you know, it's like, Oh, I feel like I'm 99 today. It can't move in our brains. You know, we still have life and love and vitality, and we think that we're 40,
Scott Benner 43:53
yeah, fairness, Terry, I know what you look like. You don't look like you're 76 right? You know, lately there's been this trend on Tiktok. It's called, this is 50. And there are people are like, you know, they hold their camera. I'm like, Look, here it is. I'm not wearing any makeup. I'm 50 years old. This is what 50 looks like. And I'm looking at some of these people. I'm like, Y'all look like you're 70. I don't look like that. I held my phone up to myself. I was like, I couldn't even do this challenge. These people would get mad at me. They come after me. I've got nice dark hair still, you understand? And I wonder, like, I'm like, that's it's 50 for you. And like, right on, like, I'm glad you're proud and all that stuff. But like, I see people nowadays like you, you look like my dad would have been thrilled to look like you when he was 60. You're 16 years older than that, and you, you spent a half an hour telling me your your a 1c, was probably 13 most of the time, while you were growing up,
Terri 44:42
I was really lucky. I don't know what it was. I just went to the retinologist Yesterday. I have no you know, I had no retinopathy. He said, not only are you the best patient that I have seen today, he said, I haven't seen a patient like. You, I had another doctor say you're my most boring patient.
Scott Benner 45:03
That's awesome, but I said
Terri 45:05
I want to be boring. Yeah,
Scott Benner 45:07
no kidding, don't I don't want to be anybody stored at dinner. I don't
Terri 45:10
know what I did. Maybe I'm better than I thought I was. Maybe I did better at the times that there was no glucose monitoring, right? And the times that I did check that were, you know, that were so, quote, bad, out of control, maybe I should say out of control, were the times that got me depressed or sad and gone. Oh well, you know, there it is again. It's high, but maybe the rest of the time I was okay, or maybe I have good genes. I don't have any neuropathy or retinopathy
Scott Benner 45:45
or lucky, right? Like
Terri 45:46
I yeah, I think it's, you know, it's luck, because I had two friends in high school, Guy and his sister, and both of them are deceased for a long, a long time ago, one was kidney disease, and one, well, she kind of drank her way through college and went blind, but, and those are the things that nobody, you know, want wants to hear. And the parents who listen to this, you know, they don't want their kids to to know these things they want them to know. Like I went to a diabetes camp as a, you know, as a marketer from the from the store that I worked for, right? And we did the diabetes camps here in San Antonio. And one of the girls, you know, saw my pump, and she's, oh, you're on a pump. And I said, yeah, she's, can I ask you a question, do you have any children? And I said, Yeah, I have two children. Shit, you have two children. I can have children. So, you know, I want these parents to say, with all of these gizmos and gadgets now you can do anything,
Scott Benner 46:54
yeah, really, I have to say, Terry, i The longer I do this, the more I think that what people hope is that if you just do all the right things, you have, you know, outcomes that you want. But I'm more inclined to think that people are kind of who they are, of course, you know, if you run into troubles, that's you know, not you know, like diabetes is an example. That's not something you control, but it's probably got more to do with your personality, how you're wired your environment, about how you're going to end up handling those things and being impacted by them. I think that's the stuff that you you have more control over, that you don't realize, and that we always focus on. The other thing, like, well, just Bolus right, or do this right, or, you know, and everything's going to be fine. Like, I think some of your kids are no nicks, and they were gonna turn out poorly whether they got diabetes or not. Now they're having a problem, and they have diabetes, and people blame the diabetes, right? Not to say that diabetes is exciting to have and doesn't have a huge impact on your life, but I wonder sometimes if there wouldn't have been another thing that would've befell them if it wasn't this, because, like, I don't know another way to, like, explain people who just, you know, have type one and RA and hypothyroidism and are just skating through life like, like, there's some magic potion about who they are and how they were brought up and how they think and how they react to things, etc, and so on. That just leads them to a good place, no matter what happens to them before, you know what I mean, there's some people get sad and they're sad for 20 years, then I don't think that's the thing you can control. I don't think you can control any of that. Meaning, like, I don't think you should take the blame for being a depressed person any more than you should take a credit for a person who just skates through things. Like, it's just random almost
Terri 48:39
before all of the technology and even into and now, I never let diabetes be the focal point of me. You know, I was somebody else I was, and hopefully that's what the parents are teaching these kids, diabetes is not your focal point. You just happen to have that, just like somebody else happens to have a bump on their elbow or brown hair or anything like that. Yeah, you know, you are an artist, you are a musician, you are a creative person, you are a mathematician. You are, whatever you are, and you just happen to have diabetes, and you happen to be taking care of something that somebody else doesn't have to take care of. So that makes you even more special. Yeah, listen,
Scott Benner 49:34
if you're a welder or, you know, yeah, you get up during in the morning and you have a good day, or a landscaping job all day long, or, you know, you're standing at a cash register. I mean, whatever it is, like, I want to tell people like, I think you are who you are, and this is an addition to that, and it's not fair and it's not great. But if you think that it's as easy as other people are doing, well, because they don't have diabetes, and you're doing. Poorly, because you do. I mean, I'm not saying that doesn't have a big impact on a life. It certainly does, but there are some people who are getting through it, and I'm also not a person who says, like, so just do what they do, because I don't know that that's possible. I don't know that everybody can just do the things that work for one person then say they're going to just lay over top of another person to work. I'm trying to say that. I think it's more of like, sometimes things just go the way they go for people. Like, I know people who are, they barely pay attention in college. They're incredibly smart and incredibly successful, right? And I know people have a kid. You look at the kid when they're eight years old, you that's, that's a little Ted right there. Like, I can see that. And 10 years later, sure enough, Ted's in a bunch of trouble. And five years after that, Ted's in more trouble. And like I saw this coming 20 years ago now, was that a collection of nature, nurture, wiring, you know, things out of their control, probably. But what I'm trying to say is that I don't think diabetes puts you in a bad situation, like, I think it just ends up enhancing the situation you're in. It might be valuable to look at the big picture and not just blame the diabetes because something's going wrong. I mean, that's my only thought. I don't people be mad at me for saying that, but like, yeah, it's, I mean,
Terri 51:18
look, I didn't, I never had special compensation. I didn't have a 504 plan. I didn't have, you know, I there was nobody. I taught school for 10 years. There was nobody besides the person that was teaching next to me, who I could call on or followed me. I have nobody following me ever. I've never had anybody following me, and that's, you know, it's kind of scary. I've always thought I'm going to handle this myself and I'll deal with it. You know, if the time comes,
Scott Benner 51:52
I'll deal with it. I couldn't be happier for you, Terry, or how things are working out. I'm also saying, though, that you could take another random person, drop them into your life, and they'd have a poorer outcome than you did. Like I do, I do think a lot of it's just the randomness of your wiring and how your brain works and how your emotions work. Does that make sense? I don't know if I'm babbling or not. No,
Terri 52:16
it does, and it's about background and how you managed problems as a child. You know how, how your parents taught you how to manage things as a child? You know it will pass, or it's a big Magilla. It's a big thing.
Scott Benner 52:33
Yeah, a lot of life is the randomness of who you get as a mom and a dad. It really is. A lot of your direction comes from things you don't even you don't even realize, you know. So anyway, are you and I are going to meet? Is that correct?
Terri 52:47
We are in a couple days. That's awesome that
Scott Benner 52:52
you're coming on the cruise. It's going to be so cool.
Terri 52:55
I was so excited. I thought there was going to be, like, hundreds of people that we're gonna sign up, but I'm happy that, you know, it's gonna be a nice group of people. Yeah, we're gonna have an adult dinner.
Scott Benner 53:10
We are, I know I've been told that I have to eat, like, every half an hour, or something like that. Apparently, I'm having dinner with a lot of different people.
Terri 53:18
I was wondering, because, like, our dinner is at 845 and I have a roommate, and she says, I don't eat past seven o'clock. And I said, Well, why don't you eat a little early, and then you can drink the dinner and, you know, have a salad or something like that. And she said, but the food in the dining room is really good. I sent her a, you know, shrug emoji is like, what can I do about it early? Are you?
Scott Benner 53:46
Yeah, well, so we're doing it, and it's about 100 people that are getting together. It's going to be awesome, and we're going to make a decision pretty quickly after that. Like, if people have a good time and it goes off the way we expect it to, then we're probably going to announce another one for the following year, and hope, hope to make it a little bigger the next time. I mean, I think it's for an inaugural try. I'm thrilled with how many people are coming, and I get to drive, yeah, and you live in Texas, so you can just go to the port and jump on the boat. And then we think next time it's going to go out of Miami. I think that, oh, yeah, okay. So the next year, I think in June, end of June, we're going to go out of Miami and do one
Terri 54:23
by that time, I'll be in California. I'm moving to California. Are you my son and two babies and sister and her family? And the only person that's not there is my daughter, who lives in Dallas. I want to see my little grandsons grow up and flying out there is expensive. They call me honey,
Scott Benner 54:46
but that's your grandma. Name honey. That's my grand. My grand. My
Terri 54:49
grandmother was, was honey too, and I loved her so much, so I wanted to keep the name alive. That's lovely. It's funny, when they're in the store, they'll say, Hey, honey, I. Like, what people turn around and say, calling people honey, but that's my grandma name. Oh yeah. And I'm trying to take a very big house and get rid of all the crap. I
Scott Benner 55:14
tell my wife all the time, like, let's get rid of this stuff now. Like, let's get rid of it. Now I still point to something I go that, you know what that box is? That's a box that one day, one of our kids is going to carry out of the basement when we're dead and they're going to curse us all the way up the stairs. I was like, just throw it away. Now, I think I'm getting through to her, so I'm super excited about that. Yeah,
Terri 55:32
do it? Do it. You know, how many of these things do you need? I'm trying to consolidate my closet, because the closet that I'm going to have is like five by five, which is nothing.
Scott Benner 55:45
Do you think you should have moved sooner out of your bigger home? Or are you comfortable with the amount of time you spent
Terri 55:51
there? I like the time that I spent here. I'm just tired of the big expense, yeah, you know the big water bill and the big electric bill, and I have a swimming pool that is really pretty, and very few people get in it. If I, you know, if I get in two or three times a summer, that's a lot, but I have to keep it up,
Scott Benner 56:12
yeah, and pay right? It is one of those things, like, when your kids are younger and they're bringing over friends, it's the greatest thing, right? But then, right, yeah,
Terri 56:19
right. But then it's a lot of upkeep and repairs, and I just had a really big plumbing bill, like, really big, and it wasn't big enough to meet the deductible, but it was big enough to take a chunk out of my pocketbook. Yeah,
Scott Benner 56:34
sucks. So you're gonna go get a smaller place in California. Where is it? Southern, Northern, middle of the state, where you going? Well, my
Terri 56:41
son's in the LA area, okay, all right, so I will be there, and they're building this senior living place, and I think I'm going to move in and have a little place and be next door to somebody else who plays poker and mahjong and, you know, walks and, yeah, have a time, has a dog, has a dog, and all that kind of stuff. And my friends here are sad to see me go, but I think it'll be fun. I think it'll be fun. It'll be something
Scott Benner 57:10
new. You're taking your boy toy with you. You're gonna pick up a new one in LA he's not willing to go. Did you ask?
Terri 57:20
He's a Texan. He just doesn't want to go, and he's good company. I like him. I like him. We we travel and we have a good time, right?
Scott Benner 57:28
What is the um, this is my last question for you. You're married a long time to a guy. It sounds like you really liked 42 years. Yeah. So is it understood? Like no one's trying to like, replace that experience, obviously, and you're not young enough to have it again, like you're not gonna, even if you fell into a great love, right now, it's not gonna go 42 more years, right? So does it make everything feel a little more transactional? Like, hey, he's good company, or he likes the kind of movies I like, or I like the way he does that thing. Like, is that, is it that easy?
Terri 58:00
Pretty much. Yeah, it really, it's, it's, pretty much. I mean, you know, they've got to be fun, funny, funny. It's, is a big thing with me. They have to have a sense of humor and laugh and be fun and like, the same thing, movies, theater, you know, outdoor type activities, even the same TV shows or something like that, because we do sit and watch a lot of television. Yeah,
Scott Benner 58:28
is that freeing that you're not looking for a person to build a life with? It's just fun.
Terri 58:33
Yeah, I bet you know it is. And when I move, you know, I'm not even looking for that. I'm looking for companionship, whether it's male or female. You know, if three girls want to go on a trip, that would be fun. If I meet a guy and he says, you know, let's go to Las Vegas, that would be fun.
Scott Benner 58:56
Yeah, I hear it. That's awesome. I mean, that's really great. And it does. It just feels like a weight lifted, like he's you're not trying to build like a like. It's just different when you're younger, right? You're looking for somebody that you can build a life with, who you think will be good parents, stuff like that. Here, if this guy gets on your nerves, you'd be like, that's enough. We're good. And, yeah, it's not too bad, right? To just say,
Terri 59:17
because they have their own family, usually they'll have their own families. Might seem to have met a couple that don't speak to their families. Unfortunately, most of the men will have a family, and even the family of their deceased, if it's if, just if they are deceased, right? Wife, if they're divorced, they may not be friends with the family, but, but you know, they may have two different sides of the family if you know, if their wife died, if their spouse died, yeah, I see what you mean.
Scott Benner 59:51
Okay, I really appreciate you doing this. First of all, thank you so much. It's a lot of insight. Actually, you, there's no way anybody would think you were 76 listen. Into this just No, just no way. Yeah, it's awesome. Like, I'm happy for you that things are going so well. And you know, if this podcast added anything to your life, that's awesome. Like, I'm just super glad
Terri 1:00:12
I love to talk. I love to talk to people. My daughter tells me, I'll talk to a telephone pole if it say anything back to
Scott Benner 1:00:19
me, not back at you a little bit. I listen. I love talking to I'm not going to argue about that. I think it's, you're very you're very natural at this
Terri 1:00:25
really good. And I can't wait to meet you like in person,
Scott Benner 1:00:29
genuinely. I'm excited. Yeah. So, yeah, no. I mean, it's, it's literally, uh, let's see, one week I fly to Galveston in 11 days so, and then we're just gonna go out in the sun and have a nice time. And I already told the person who's coordinating all this like, I want to spend my entire time just meeting people and talking to people. I said, I'm going to accomplish that for sure. You're not going to do any tours. I think I have one excursion set up with I think most of the group experts from the Facebook page. We're going to go to a beach for one of the excursions. But I really do. I mean, I think you guys listen, it's a vacation for people, and that's awesome, but it was also not cheap, and I really want to spend time saying hello to everybody, and not just in passing, like, I'd really like to sit with people and get to know them and and, you know, I'd like to build my
Terri 1:01:20
question is Nico gonna be there? She's not, no, she's not.
Scott Benner 1:01:25
Who will be there?
Terri 1:01:27
Suzanne would not tell me who the speakers
Scott Benner 1:01:29
were, yeah. Oh, it's gonna be me. And then virtually, Jenny's gonna do a talk, and virtually and virtually Eric is gonna do a talk. Okay, that good. Yeah. It took us a little while to figure it out we were actually, we were genuinely trying to get both of them on the ship. One of them had a personal reason. They couldn't come, but wanted to come. And the other thing was, is that it was just expensive to get them there. And the truth is, is that this is a break even. So I don't know the exact accounting, but I don't think I'm going to make like, $1 on this, like, this is just going to be an event for me, like a thing to do and to meet people. I tell you what, I'll buy you a drink. That's lovely. I don't even drink, so you don't have to worry about it. I'll buy you a soda. Thank you. But, you know, no lie, the goal is that if we do it again the following year, that it attracts more people, and then the money that we make with that attraction, I would very much like to bring Jenny and Erica onto the ship too. So that's my goal. But we're gonna have some swag there from like Omnipod and some other companies, and it's gonna be a good time. We're just gonna have fun and meet people. That's my my real goal is to help people build a community. I hope people leave there with, like, personal relationships that they take home with them and keep going.
Terri 1:02:43
Well, you know, I've got this new roommate. We've been talking and I'm anxious to meet her and see how her life is going. I think she was newly diagnosed the right way as a type one, not too long ago, not the way you were. You mean, well, no, I mean as an adult, yeah, oh, yeah. And, you know, just a few months or years ago, the correct way, I think she went along being Lata for a long time.
Scott Benner 1:03:11
Oh, I see, okay, yeah, I can't wait. I can't wait to hear your everyone's story. I mean, I know most of yours now, but All right. Well, Terry, thank you so much for doing this with me. I really appreciate it. Thank you. You're welcome. Hold on one Oh, it's my pleasure. Hold on one second, okay?
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