#1705 Red Lobster - Part 2
You can always listen to the Juicebox Podcast here but the cool kids use: Apple Podcasts/iOS - Spotify - Amazon Music - Google Play/Android - iHeart Radio - Radio Public, Amazon Alexa or wherever they get audio.
Jamie shares a terrifying severe hypoglycemia story involving 911. She discusses LADA, misdiagnosis, anaphylaxis, and how her husband supports her life with Type 1 diabetes.
+ Click for EPISODE TRANSCRIPT
DISCLAIMER: This text is the output of AI based transcribing from an audio recording. Although the transcription is largely accurate, in some cases it is incomplete or inaccurate due to inaudible passages or transcription errors and should not be treated as an authoritative record. Nothing that you read here constitutes advice medical or otherwise. Always consult with a healthcare professional before making changes to a healthcare plan.
Scott Benner (0:00) Hello, friends. (0:01) Welcome to the Juice Box podcast. (0:03) Happy holidays to everyone juggling carbs, cookies, and the chaos of this season.
Jamie (0:17) Well, I am Jamie. (0:19) I am a type one diabetic. (0:21) I was diagnosed as LADA when I was, I think, 36. (0:26) And so it's been about eight years now. (0:29) Told everyone my age pretty much, and that's me.
Scott Benner (0:33) This is part two of a two part episode. (0:35) Go look at the title. (0:36) If you don't recognize it, you haven't heard part one yet. (0:39) It's probably the episode right before this in your podcast player. (0:44) If you're new to type one diabetes, begin with the bold beginnings series from the podcast.
Scott Benner (0:49) Don't take my word for it. (0:50) Listen to what reviewers have said. (0:52) Bold beginnings is the best first step. (0:55) I learned more in those episodes than anywhere else. (0:58) This is when everything finally clicked.
Scott Benner (1:00) People say it takes the stress out of the early days and replaces it with clarity. (1:04) They tell me this should come with the diagnosis packet that I got at the hospital. (1:08) And after they listen, they recommend it to everyone who's struggling. (1:12) It's straightforward, practical, and easy to listen to. (1:15) Bold Beginnings gives you the basics in a way that actually makes sense.
Scott Benner (1:20) Nothing you hear on the Juice Box podcast should be considered advice, medical or otherwise. (1:25) Always consult a physician before making any changes to your health care plan. (1:33) I'd like to remind you again about the MiniMed seven eighty g automated insulin delivery system, which, of course, anticipates, adjusts, and corrects every five minutes twenty four seven. (1:43) It works around the clock so you can focus on what matters. (1:48) The Juice Box community knows the importance of using technology to simplify managing diabetes.
Scott Benner (1:53) To learn more about how you can spend less time and effort managing your diabetes, visit my link, medtronicdiabetes.com/juicebox. (2:03) Today's episode of the juice box podcast is sponsored by the Kontoor Next Gen blood glucose meter. (2:10) This is the meter that my daughter has on her person right now. (2:14) It is incredibly accurate and waiting for you at contournext.com/juicebox. (2:21) What?
Scott Benner (2:21) Do you have Raynaud's?
Jamie (2:23) I do have Raynaud's.
Scott Benner (2:25) I just looked at the, at the notes and I was like, oh, I didn't see that before.
Jamie (2:28) I have Raynaud's. (2:29) I have anaphylactic allergies and I also have psoriasis.
Scott Benner (2:34) Awesome. (2:35) So I'm just like, where's the psoriasis at?
Jamie (2:39) Ugh. (2:40) Got in my ear canals is the worst. (2:42) And then I also have it on the back of my head.
Scott Benner (2:44) What do you do about it in your ears? (2:45) Something you can put in there?
Jamie (2:47) I have, like, a liquid steroid topical thing that I use, and then my dermatologist also gave me because they always get infected.
Scott Benner (2:56) K.
Jamie (2:57) When it's in there, you know, when you scratch at it and then it gets infected. (3:01) So I also have a topical liquid antibiotic that I have to use when I'm using the steroids as well.
Scott Benner (3:06) To come and go like flares?
Jamie (3:09) Oh, yeah. (3:10) Stress. (3:11) I'm pretty sure something is in my diet is also setting it off, but I haven't figured out what yet.
Scott Benner (3:16) Could be super chill soda.
Jamie (3:18) Right? (3:19) Yeah. (3:20) No. (3:21) It happens way more than I drink the super chill.
Scott Benner (3:23) Gotcha.
Jamie (3:24) But yeah.
Scott Benner (3:25) You think something in your diet's making it flare as well?
Jamie (3:28) Yeah. (3:28) And stress. (3:29) Stress for sure will will kick it off, and then it ends up being a couple week long thing where I have to fight with it.
Scott Benner (3:35) Gotcha. (3:36) It's interesting. (3:37) Any other autoimmune in your family or with you? (3:39) Any sisters, brothers, mothers, fathers have something?
Jamie (3:43) I'm an only child, but most of our family has either type one or type two.
Scott Benner (3:48) Really?
Jamie (3:50) Yep. (3:50) And then a lot of us
Scott Benner (3:52) Tell me how many people with type one are in your extended family?
Jamie (3:56) I have one first cousin and a couple of second or third cousins that also have it. (4:02) Mhmm. (4:03) And then, like, my grandpa was a type two. (4:06) My mom has type two.
Scott Benner (4:08) K.
Jamie (4:09) I'm pretty sure the rest of my there's quite a few people. (4:12) K. (4:12) And then there's also celiac.
Scott Benner (4:15) Not with you, but with other people. (4:17) Yeah. (4:18) Okay. (4:19) I cut you off. (4:20) Is that what you were gonna say, also celiac, when I I cut you off earlier?
Jamie (4:24) No. (4:24) I don't have celiac No. (4:25) But other people do.
Scott Benner (4:26) Were you adding you were saying also, and then I cut you off. (4:29) I felt bad, but we we stopped, so I kept going. (4:33) I I guess that's probably what we were doing. (4:34) Yeah. (4:35) Well, how important can it be?
Jamie (4:37) Yeah. (4:38) I don't remember it.
Scott Benner (4:39) Eighteen months, that boy didn't call you.
Jamie (4:42) Yeah. (4:43) Eighteen months.
Scott Benner (4:43) Then he friended you back on Facebook. (4:46) What a smooth operator.
Jamie (4:48) Right?
Scott Benner (4:48) Yeah. (4:49) And you went for it. (4:50) Did your mom yell at you?
Jamie (4:52) Yeah.
Scott Benner (4:53) Yeah. (4:53) I bet you she I would've yelled at you. (4:54) I just want you to know.
Jamie (4:55) She was not happy. (4:56) She was because I was dating someone else too, and she's like, I feel like you're going back to back to your husband. (5:02) Like, obviously, he wasn't my husband at that time. (5:05) Before, you're breaking up with so and so. (5:07) And I was like, mom, that is not how this happened.
Jamie (5:09) Yes. (5:10) It was very close together, but it's not how it happened.
Scott Benner (5:14) You left the boy though when the guy reached out again?
Jamie (5:16) Yep. (5:18) Because I can't be with somebody else if I have feelings. (5:21) He's like, he he texted me, and I was like, oh, I I still really have really strong feelings for this guy.
Scott Benner (5:27) And your friends didn't try to talk you out of it?
Jamie (5:29) No. (5:30) Most of my friends were for it because they know him.
Scott Benner (5:32) Oh, okay. (5:33) Well, that makes me feel better. (5:35) Hey. (5:35) He doesn't have a lot of money because you said it was money problems. (5:38) Is it a big do you have a does he have, like, a big you know I mean?
Jamie (5:42) No. (5:42) No? (5:43) No. (5:43) No. (5:43) Not not that either.
Jamie (5:45) No. (5:45) It just it really is his heart for the world and the people and the way he treats me and makes me feel.
Scott Benner (5:52) Can I just say to any girl out there, if someone asks you that, just say yes? (5:56) Like, what would have hurt just now for you to go, yeah, that is what it was actually, Scott. (5:59) I gotta tell you. (6:00) It's just it's unimaginable, and I I I had just missed it so much. (6:04) But because he he would have loved that answer.
Scott Benner (6:06) Instead, you went, no. (6:07) That wasn't it.
Jamie (6:08) No. (6:09) I'm not that shallow.
Scott Benner (6:11) Now he's got no. (6:12) But now he's gotta hear that. (6:13) You gotta hear it from his side.
Jamie (6:15) I know. (6:16) I'm sorry. (6:17) I love you, honey.
Scott Benner (6:19) She's not sorry. (6:20) Stop. (6:23) Do you ever get him back sometimes? (6:25) Do you ever give him a zing for the eighteen months and he knows that's what it's for and he just takes it?
Jamie (6:30) Yes.
Scott Benner (6:32) Are you proud?
Jamie (6:32) Yes. (6:33) We do. (6:33) Yeah. (6:34) We do it all the time. (6:35) Are
Scott Benner (6:35) you proud of that or should you stop doing that, Jamie?
Jamie (6:37) I probably should stop doing it. (6:39) Yeah. (6:39) Yeah.
Scott Benner (6:40) Do want me to put that
Jamie (6:40) on the list for you? (6:41) Sometimes I do pick on him and and, you know, you did this. (6:46) Yeah. (6:46) So
Scott Benner (6:47) How about do you have any fear that he's gonna do it again? (6:51) No. (6:52) Your parents
Jamie (6:53) now
Scott Benner (6:53) Go ahead. (6:54) I'm sorry.
Jamie (6:54) Now we own a house together. (6:56) Like, we are financially worse
Scott Benner (6:58) You got them locked in with money situation. (7:01) I got you.
Jamie (7:02) Yep. (7:02) We're stuck now.
Scott Benner (7:03) Yeah.
Jamie (7:03) There's no way. (7:04) So
Scott Benner (7:05) That's how I I I I held on to my wife through the early part because she wasn't sure if she wanted more kids, and I think she wanted them all to look the same. (7:11) So she held on to me just in case.
Jamie (7:13) Oh.
Scott Benner (7:14) And then later, you know, you you put a couple dollars aside and you look at that. (7:17) It's not as much money as you're hoping. (7:19) You think, I can't split that with somebody. (7:20) I guess I gotta let him stay. (7:22) That's how I do it.
Scott Benner (7:22) You understand?
Jamie (7:24) Yeah. (7:24) Yeah.
Scott Benner (7:24) That's how
Jamie (7:25) I hang. (7:25) Yeah.
Scott Benner (7:25) That's how I hang. (7:26) Your parents are still married. (7:28) Right?
Jamie (7:29) No. (7:29) My parents were actually never married.
Scott Benner (7:31) Oh, it may be even different. (7:34) Were they are they together?
Jamie (7:36) No.
Scott Benner (7:36) No? (7:38) Mm-mm. (7:38) But you didn't experience a divorce. (7:40) Would you grow up in a single family household the whole time?
Jamie (7:43) Single parent household? (7:44) Yes. (7:44) I did.
Scott Benner (7:44) Yeah. (7:45) Since you were little. (7:46) You never you didn't see two people love each other and then break up?
Jamie (7:50) Nope.
Scott Benner (7:50) Okay. (7:51) Because so you're not afraid of that happening because you're not afraid of of being alone because you like your mom, and your mom did a good job.
Jamie (7:57) Yeah. (7:58) Yeah. (7:58) My mom my mom I mean, I don't tell her thank you enough, I think, for all the things that she put up with. (8:05) I really should tell her more often. (8:07) We're going over there to see her tonight, so I'm probably gonna sit down, make sure I tell her tonight again.
Jamie (8:11) But Tell her
Scott Benner (8:13) I said hello. (8:13) Yeah.
Jamie (8:15) Yeah. (8:15) Of course.
Scott Benner (8:15) Because thanks for her service raising you. (8:17) Because you sound like you might have been a pain in the ass when you were younger, Jamie.
Jamie (8:20) Oh my gosh. (8:21) I was I was a spitfire. (8:22) I was horrible. (8:23) Always in into something I shouldn't have been, and I'm sure I just gave her a lot of sleepless nights. (8:30) I know that when I was young, there were nights I came home.
Jamie (8:34) I had snuck out of the house, I'd come home drunk or high, and she'd be like, what the hell?
Scott Benner (8:40) What kind of high, Jamie?
Jamie (8:41) Marijuana.
Scott Benner (8:42) Okay. (8:43) What are your top two stories where you think if that happened to me as a parent, I would probably flip out that you did to your mom?
Jamie (8:51) Gosh. (8:52) I don't I have no idea.
Scott Benner (8:53) Nothing sticks out?
Jamie (8:55) No. (8:56) I mean Just the running away.
Scott Benner (8:58) You ran away? (8:59) How old?
Jamie (9:00) I was 16. (9:01) 15.
Scott Benner (9:02) Was it a real runaway? (9:03) Did you actually run away?
Jamie (9:05) Yeah. (9:05) I packed my bags. (9:06) I was gone for a couple of days, and I called the police department to bring me home because I was afraid she would kill me.
Scott Benner (9:14) You ran away when you were 16, stayed away for a few days, called the cops, and said, look, I ran away a few days ago, but I'm going back. (9:21) I And think the lady's gonna lynch me if I get there. (9:23) So can you come with me and make sure she doesn't hurt me? (9:26) Yep. (9:26) Was she gonna hurt you or was she just grateful you were back?
Jamie (9:29) I think she was grateful I was back. (9:31) Mhmm.
Scott Benner (9:32) Yeah. (9:32) I ran away when I was little, but I did the, like, I'm leaving, like, looking over your shoulder, like, does anybody care about this? (9:37) You know what I mean? (9:38) I didn't actually go anywhere. (9:40) Like, walked outside and came back again.
Jamie (9:42) So No. (9:42) I packed my bag and left. (9:43) It was, 10:00 at night, and we had gotten into a fight, I packed my bag up and left.
Scott Benner (9:49) Where do you go when you're 16?
Jamie (9:51) I went to my boyfriend's house.
Scott Benner (9:52) Oh. (9:54) Was he, was he not a good, good kind of boyfriend?
Jamie (9:57) No. (9:57) He was not a good influence at all.
Scott Benner (9:59) Mhmm. (10:00) I gotcha.
Jamie (10:01) Yeah. (10:02) Glad we dodged that bullet.
Scott Benner (10:03) Did your mom know that?
Jamie (10:04) Yeah. (10:05) My mom knew that. (10:06) She knew that he was a part of my life. (10:08) She didn't approve of him. (10:10) And I'm pretty sure she knew I was there, but there wasn't a whole lot she could do even though she had called the police.
Jamie (10:16) So
Scott Benner (10:17) When my girlfriend one of my girlfriends broke up with me, my mom was like, oh, thank god. (10:22) She was no good. (10:22) And I was like, oh, no. (10:23) She was lovely. (10:24) My mom was like, no.
Scott Benner (10:26) She wasn't. (10:26) I was like, okay. (10:28) But then again, don't know if my mom likes Kelly or not. (10:30) My mom's dead now. (10:31) I can't ask her, but, you
Jamie (10:32) know Oh.
Scott Benner (10:33) She's I know. (10:33) I'm just kidding. (10:34) She like Kelly. (10:35) Sorry. (10:35) My sarcasm got too it was too tight there.
Scott Benner (10:38) It made you sad. (10:39) I didn't mean for that to happen. (10:41) I was being sarcastic. (10:42) My mom did like Kelly after a while.
Jamie (10:46) Yeah. (10:46) Sometimes it takes a while, but, you know, then you learn how nice people are or what how great they really are for your kid and, you know, or for your your friends, and you're just like, hey. (10:57) Yeah. (10:57) You are really a good a blessing to us and and that, I mean
Scott Benner (11:01) Did the cop laugh at you? (11:03) First of they actually sent a cop to bring you home? (11:06) Yeah. (11:07) And did the cop laugh right at you?
Jamie (11:09) He didn't laugh. (11:10) He let me have it. (11:11) How dare you do this to your mother? (11:13) How dare you run away and behave like this? (11:15) And you're gonna be in so much trouble if you keep on down this path and blah blah blah blah blah.
Scott Benner (11:20) He tried to scare you straight while you're in the car?
Jamie (11:22) Oh, yeah.
Scott Benner (11:23) You sit in the back behind the cage?
Jamie (11:26) Yep. (11:26) They will let you sit in the front where the guns are.
Scott Benner (11:30) No. (11:31) Oh, they saw you, and they're like, we can't let her near the guns? (11:36) Funny story,
Jamie (11:37) though. (11:37) I
Scott Benner (11:37) mean Wait. (11:38) Wait. (11:38) Funny story. (11:38) Go ahead. (11:39) Wait.
Scott Benner (11:39) What? (11:39) Go ahead.
Jamie (11:40) I went into law enforcement. (11:42) That's how I ended up, you know, in the field of retail loss prevention. (11:46) I was in a police officer for a while. (11:48) And, man
Scott Benner (11:50) Wait. (11:50) You were a police officer for a while?
Jamie (11:52) For a little yeah. (11:53) A year. (11:54) And I it was not it was not a good department. (11:57) So
Scott Benner (11:58) Did you have to go to police academy and do all the stuff? (12:00) Did you get hired directly and they sent you to academy? (12:03) How does that work?
Jamie (12:04) I got hired directly and they sent me.
Scott Benner (12:06) And then you didn't like them. (12:08) Did they like you? (12:09) Was this a preemptive?
Jamie (12:10) I I think it was pretty pretty mutual. (12:13) We did not fit together.
Scott Benner (12:15) You were like, I don't like you and you don't like me. (12:17) I'm gonna get out of here now.
Jamie (12:18) Yep.
Scott Benner (12:19) Did you ever get to, like, pull your gun out?
Jamie (12:22) No.
Scott Benner (12:22) No? (12:23) Did what's the craziest thing you did as a police officer?
Jamie (12:27) We did like, there were some SWAT things where we ended up keeping perimeters. (12:31) There was I worked in the jail a lot because I was low in the seniority. (12:35) Mhmm. (12:36) And so I didn't really carry my gun when I was at the jail because, obviously, you can't carry a gun in the jail. (12:42) So
Scott Benner (12:43) Do ever get into an altercation? (12:44) Do ever have to tase somebody? (12:45) I love those taser videos.
Jamie (12:47) Oh, I hate tasers. (12:48) I hate them.
Scott Benner (12:50) Did you have to get tased to carry a taser?
Jamie (12:53) You do have to get tased to carry a taser, and I never took the taser hit because they terrify me.
Scott Benner (12:58) Mhmm. (12:58) Okay. (13:00) Would you have a stick? (13:01) Were you a cop with what's this, England? (13:02) Did you have a stick?
Jamie (13:03) No. (13:04) I mean, we did have batons, but no. (13:06) That's a stick.
Scott Benner (13:07) Yeah. (13:07) Like, wait.
Jamie (13:09) One of those, like firearm.
Scott Benner (13:11) Was it one of them that you extended, like, the movies?
Jamie (13:14) Yeah. (13:15) Yeah. (13:15) Collapsibles?
Scott Benner (13:16) Yeah. (13:16) Yeah. (13:16) Yeah. (13:17) Yeah. (13:17) It looks so scary when somebody opens one of those up.
Scott Benner (13:20) Like, oh, I'm gonna get smacked with that thing for sure.
Jamie (13:22) And the weight is really nice on them.
Scott Benner (13:24) Oh.
Jamie (13:25) Like, you can inflict some serious damage with those with just the flick of a wrist.
Scott Benner (13:29) No kidding. (13:30) I'm not gonna get
Jamie (13:31) Yeah. (13:31) If you don't use it right, you are you are causing some serious damage to somebody's body.
Scott Benner (13:37) No kidding. (13:37) Well, we'll make sure Kelly doesn't, like, get one of those then.
Jamie (13:40) Yeah. (13:41) Don't let Kelly get
Scott Benner (13:41) one of How long were you a cop for before you you quit?
Jamie (13:45) Just a just a year.
Scott Benner (13:46) No kidding. (13:47) You were just like, this ain't working out. (13:49) How long was the academy? (13:53) Contournext.com/juicebox. (13:56) That's the link you'll use to find out more about the Kontoor next gen blood glucose meter.
Scott Benner (14:01) When you get there, there's a little bit at the top. (14:03) You can click right on blood glucose monitoring. (14:05) I'll do it with you. (14:06) Go to meters. (14:07) Click on any of the meters.
Scott Benner (14:08) I'll click on the next gen, and you're gonna get more information. (14:11) It's easy to use and highly accurate. (14:13) SmartLight provides a simple understanding of your blood glucose levels. (14:17) And, of course, with second chance sampling technology, you can save money with fewer wasted test strips. (14:23) As if all that wasn't enough, the Kontoor Nextgen also has a compatible app for an easy way to share and see your blood glucose results.
Scott Benner (14:32) Contournext.com/juicebox. (14:36) And if you scroll down at that link, you're gonna see things like a buy now button. (14:41) You could register your meter after you purchase it. (14:43) Or what is this? (14:44) Download a coupon.
Scott Benner (14:45) Oh, receive a free Kontoor Next Gen blood glucose meter. (14:51) Do tell. (14:52) Kontoornext.com/juicebox. (14:55) Head over there now. (14:56) Get the same accurate and reliable meter that we use.
Scott Benner (15:01) Unlike other systems that will wait until your blood sugar is a 180 before delivering corrections, the MiniMed seven eighty g system is the only system with meal detection technology that automatically detects rising sugar levels and delivers more insulin as needed to help keep your sugar levels in range, even if you're not a perfect carb counter. (15:22) Today's episode of the Juice Box podcast is sponsored by Medtronic Diabetes and their MiniMed seven eighty g system, which gives you real choices because the MiniMed seven eighty g system works with the Instinct sensor made by Avid, as well as the Simplera Sync and Guardian Force sensors, giving you options. (15:43) The Instinct Sensor is the longest wear sensor yet, lasting fifteen days and designed exclusively for the MiniMed seven eighty g. (15:52) And don't forget, Medtronic Diabetes makes technology accessible for you with comprehensive insurance support, programs to help you with your out of pocket costs. (16:01) We're switching from other pump and CGM systems.
Scott Benner (16:05) Learn more and get started today with my link, medtronicdiabetes.com/juicebox.
Jamie (16:10) It was classes on and off that they sent me to while I worked there in the training. (16:16) So I didn't have a full, like, law enforcement certification, so I couldn't do the road like, a road shift by myself. (16:23) I had to be with somebody else if I went on the road.
Scott Benner (16:25) Gotcha. (16:26) Did they let you drive though?
Jamie (16:28) No. (16:29) I never drove because I didn't have a squad assigned to me, so I didn't drive.
Scott Benner (16:32) Oh, so you when you bounce somebody, you were the extra all the time.
Jamie (16:35) Yeah.
Scott Benner (16:36) Gotcha. (16:36) You know what show Usually. (16:38) Go ahead.
Jamie (16:38) Usually, I was in the jail because they needed a female officer in the jail twenty four hours a day.
Scott Benner (16:43) To pat the ladies down.
Jamie (16:45) Yep. (16:45) And then they were short staffed on females, plus I was the lowest on the totem pole for seniority as it was. (16:52) Uh-huh. (16:53) So even if I wasn't covering a female shift, I was still stuck in the jail most of the days.
Scott Benner (16:57) What do people try to sneak in and where do they try to sneak it in?
Jamie (17:02) A lot of people stick things in their private parts that they're just not supposed to, or they have things, like, stuck in the folds of their skin.
Scott Benner (17:09) Wait. (17:09) What when you say private parts, you're and you're talking about females. (17:13) There's obviously the two that come to mind. (17:15) So, like, which one is used more frequently? (17:20) The front or the back?
Jamie (17:22) The for women, I know I saw a few with it that had in the front.
Scott Benner (17:26) What are they trying to well, we they squat and cough and it falls out. (17:30) Right?
Jamie (17:31) Not always. (17:31) No. (17:32) We there was a I had a special detail once where I had to go to the the hospital with an with an inmate who was brought in to the jail, and they admitted to having stuff up there, and they couldn't get it out.
Scott Benner (17:45) Well, that's a humble brag a little bit, don't you think?
Jamie (17:48) It's an embarrassing I I feel embarrassed for her still.
Scott Benner (17:52) I feel embarrassed for her still. (17:54) I I sent her a holiday card, Scott. (17:56) I'm very, very upset for her. (17:57) So you did the squat, cough. (17:59) It didn't come out.
Scott Benner (18:00) You knew something was there. (18:01) I don't know how. (18:02) And then
Jamie (18:03) She told us.
Scott Benner (18:04) She what was it? (18:05) Please tell me what was in there. (18:06) Please tell me.
Jamie (18:07) She had marijuana, bags of marijuana. (18:10) But so if somebody is doing like, when you're doing the strip search
Scott Benner (18:15) Yeah.
Jamie (18:15) And if they lose their bladder, it's a sure sign that there's something up there.
Scott Benner (18:21) Oh, so she peed.
Jamie (18:24) Yeah. (18:24) So she peed herself, and I was like, what is going on here?
Scott Benner (18:27) You said, hey. (18:27) What's your hoochie? (18:28) And she said, bags of weed. (18:30) I can't get it out. (18:31) Please help me.
Jamie (18:32) Well, no. (18:33) She was like, there's nothing. (18:34) I don't know what you're talking about. (18:36) And so I told my lieutenant who called the judge and woke the judge up and got they got a body cavity search that night. (18:42) And we went to the emergency room, and as the doctors were in the hospital, she's, like, in her gown, and she's in her cuffs with me.
Jamie (18:51) And she looks at me and she goes, okay. (18:53) I have to be honest. (18:54) And I was like, yeah. (18:55) And she goes, well, there's there's I have two bags of marijuana up there. (18:58) And I was like, I kinda figured now that we're here, we're gonna let the doctor handle it.
Scott Benner (19:02) Yeah. (19:02) How much weed?
Jamie (19:03) Oh god. (19:04) It was it was a decent size.
Scott Benner (19:06) Was it personal use? (19:08) She was taking it in for herself?
Jamie (19:09) No. (19:10) She I don't think she was planning on being arrested that night.
Scott Benner (19:13) Oh. (19:14) Oh. (19:14) Oh. (19:14) If if if if ew. (19:16) Oh, no.
Jamie (19:16) And it was up there. (19:17) They had put it up there for something, her and her boyfriend, and then they couldn't get it back out.
Scott Benner (19:22) They never heard of pockets, you think?
Jamie (19:25) I I mean
Scott Benner (19:26) Is weed legal in in Minnesota?
Jamie (19:29) It is legal in Minnesota, but I was working in Wisconsin at the time.
Scott Benner (19:32) Oh, in the big Conston. (19:33) I gotcha.
Jamie (19:34) And it was not legal. (19:36) Know it's definitely not legal to take it into the into the jail.
Scott Benner (19:39) Jail. (19:40) Yeah. (19:40) No. (19:40) I by the way, I I for some reason, no weed's not legal in Wisconsin. (19:44) Why do I know that?
Scott Benner (19:45) It doesn't matter why.
Jamie (19:46) I think you had somebody else on the podcast and you were talking about it.
Scott Benner (19:49) Oh, that's probably why. (19:50) I know things I don't know why I know them. (19:51) This is sometimes why people say it, and I'm like, oh, that's stuck in my head.
Jamie (19:55) Yeah. (19:56) Okay. (19:56) Me too.
Scott Benner (19:57) Okay. (19:57) Well, that's awesome. (20:00) And you quit that job?
Jamie (20:02) Yeah. (20:02) And then I went to retail loss prevention. (20:04) I did that for a lot of years. (20:05) I really loved it.
Scott Benner (20:06) Yeah.
Jamie (20:07) And I'm an adrenaline junkie. (20:09) I was I was, you know, I was good at it. (20:11) I could catch a shoplifter in my sleep.
Scott Benner (20:13) No kidding. (20:14) Is it happening constantly, shoplifting?
Jamie (20:17) Oh, yeah.
Scott Benner (20:18) Yeah. (20:18) Just constantly. (20:18) Why am I paying for everything? (20:21) Why don't I go shoplift something? (20:23) Does everybody get caught?
Jamie (20:24) Not everybody. (20:25) No. (20:25) But I would catch you.
Scott Benner (20:27) Oh, I take that as a challenge. (20:28) I think I could get away with it.
Jamie (20:30) I don't do that anymore, though. (20:32) Now I work for a law firm.
Scott Benner (20:33) What? (20:34) Can I just say something? (20:35) Wait. (20:35) Wait. (20:36) Wait, Jamie.
Scott Benner (20:36) Before I hear about the law firm, let's just patent this idea right now. (20:40) What a great idea for a mister beast video, at least, maybe a game show. (20:48) Loss prevention people try to catch people shoplifting, and not everybody in the show is shoplifting. (20:57) And some people get to pretend to shoplift, and if they get caught and they're not really shoplifting, they get points. (21:02) And if you're able to shoplift something without somebody seeing you shoplifted, you get points.
Scott Benner (21:07) And if the guy catches you, girl, could k. (21:10) Could be a girl. (21:11) Obviously, Jamie did it. (21:12) Mhmm. (21:13) Like, they catch you, then they get points.
Scott Benner (21:15) Whoever's got the most points at the end wins. (21:17) But if if team shoplifter team, not shoplifter team lost prevention. (21:21) I am having a fucking awesome idea right now. (21:24) Why is no one writing this down?
Jamie (21:26) It's it would be a fun show.
Scott Benner (21:28) Patent pending.
Jamie (21:29) Yeah.
Scott Benner (21:29) What a great idea.
Jamie (21:30) So I can tell you though, if you get if you are a loss prevention agent or officer and you make an apprehension of somebody you suspect of shoplifting and they did not in fact shoplift, you are very likely gonna lose your job.
Scott Benner (21:44) Oh, I shoplifted as a child.
Jamie (21:47) I never did.
Scott Benner (21:48) Never? (21:49) No. (21:51) Am I gonna
Jamie (21:51) I stole something once from my best friend when she was, like, five You stole it from five or six.
Scott Benner (21:56) You stole it from her?
Jamie (21:57) She had, like, this cute little, like, jewelry box that I really wanted. (22:03) And instead of asking her, I took it. (22:05) And she knew I took it, and she confronted me. (22:07) And and I was like, I took it. (22:08) I'm sorry.
Jamie (22:08) And she's like, why didn't you just ask me for it? (22:10) I would have given it to you.
Scott Benner (22:11) I had a kid steal one of my Jawa action figures one time from Star Wars. (22:15) I was pissed.
Jamie (22:17) I'd be mad too.
Scott Benner (22:18) Yeah. (22:18) You know what? (22:18) That was a real problem, by the way, back then. (22:20) We started getting Star Wars action figures. (22:22) My dad and mom got me a Jawa, but was, like, dozens of Jawas in the movie.
Scott Benner (22:26) So I was like, I need more of them. (22:27) And my parents were like, we're not buying you multiple of these. (22:30) And I'm like, but that there's more than one in the movie. (22:32) It was a big bone of contention in my life.
Jamie (22:34) How do you recreate your scenes without having 12?
Scott Benner (22:36) I mean, that's where I was at, just so you know. (22:40) But am I gonna admit to what I shop with? (22:42) I mean, I was a little kid. (22:43) I guess I would. (22:45) Why not?
Scott Benner (22:45) Right? (22:46) I think I was a teenager, probably 14, 15, and they'd come out with portable televisions. (22:54) So Oh. (22:55) Try to imagine a TV that's maybe no more than six inches tall, maybe five inches wide, inch thick, had an actual, like, old radio antenna, like, extended antenna down the side of it and had the screen was probably only two by one. (23:11) And it was a TV and it had tuner in it.
Scott Benner (23:13) You could, like, tune in, like, you know, ABC, CBS, three six ten, like, that kind of stuff, right, over the air television. (23:19) And I, I swiped that thing right out of a Kmart like it was nothing. (23:23) I just wanna let you all know. (23:24) I just I get that right out of there. (23:25) It was no trouble at all.
Scott Benner (23:26) I was later apprehended for stealing candy from a seven Eleven in my Of course. (23:31) My crime spree summer.
Jamie (23:34) Yeah. (23:34) Yeah. (23:34) Yeah. (23:35) It it depends on, like, who's watching too for stuff like that. (23:39) So, I mean, it it really it does vary.
Scott Benner (23:44) Can I test my theory on you, Jamie?
Jamie (23:46) What's that?
Scott Benner (23:47) So there's probably way more cameras nowadays than there used to be. (23:50) I'm gonna say that first of all.
Jamie (23:51) Oh, yeah?
Scott Benner (23:52) Yeah. (23:52) Yeah. (23:52) So I maybe wouldn't be as good at this as but I would love I'm telling you, I would love to try. (23:57) I don't want the thing. (23:58) I just wanna know if I could do it.
Scott Benner (24:00) Anyway, that's not the point. (24:02) The point is is that I found that just acting like you weren't doing anything wrong was the key to it. (24:08) Like, it was more body language, I thought, than the actually, my theory is is that I could walk into a store, walk out with an arm full of stuff, and you wouldn't notice if I looked like I was supposed to be doing it. (24:19) Am I onto something?
Jamie (24:21) Yeah. (24:22) Mhmm. (24:22) I mean and that's part of why I was, like, really good at is because I could I could pick up on those little nuances. (24:28) Those little Yeah. (24:29) The nervous tick, the the quick glance around.
Jamie (24:33) Right. (24:34) And I was good at floor walking and, like, blending in. (24:37) So, you know, that I had more than once where I stood there and held the door open as somebody walked past me and then, you know
Scott Benner (24:45) Tapped him on the shoulder.
Jamie (24:46) My badge. (24:47) Yeah. (24:47) Yeah. (24:47) Yeah. (24:48) I have loss prevention coming back in with me.
Scott Benner (24:50) Do people run ever?
Jamie (24:52) Oh, yeah. (24:53) Yeah. (24:53) People run all the time and, you know, wrestle with you or fight you and it's yeah. (24:59) Tussle.
Scott Benner (24:59) A tussle. (24:59) Nice. (25:00) I saw a video online recently where there was a guy, like, stealing, like I I think it was, like, a cart full of food, And he's, like, he's making his way through the the the parking lot, there's somebody chasing after him and yelling at him, like, from the store. (25:14) And that guy, like, quits. (25:15) Like, I guess they're probably told not to, like, pursue them too far.
Scott Benner (25:19) And a bystander comes along with an empty cart and just trucks the guy in the cart and knocks him over. (25:24) And he's like, I'm so tired of you people. (25:27) And he's like, that's my stuff. (25:28) He goes, well, if it's your stuff, pick it up and leave with it. (25:30) And the guy ran off.
Scott Benner (25:31) And I was like, oh my god. (25:32) It was the craziest video. (25:34) He didn't hit the guy with the card. (25:35) He hit the other card. (25:36) He, like, blew up the card, knocked it over.
Scott Benner (25:38) And the guy's like, yo. (25:39) It's my stuff. (25:39) He goes, it's not your stuff. (25:40) It was awesome. (25:44) You've had a fun life.
Jamie (25:46) It's it's been a bit crazy. (25:48) Yeah. (25:48) I'm a troublemaker still, even, you know, in the ripe old age of 44. (25:52) I'm I'm I'm up to stuff all the time.
Scott Benner (25:55) How does a 44 year old cause trouble?
Jamie (25:58) Oh, gosh. (25:59) I'm always into everything. (26:01) I don't even know. (26:02) We go to the stores, and I'm like, that guy's shoplifting. (26:06) And my husband's like, you do not work here?
Jamie (26:09) Shut up. (26:09) Shut up. (26:11) You do not work here. (26:14) And I'm like, but he's stealing. (26:16) And yeah.
Jamie (26:17) So there's there's
Scott Benner (26:19) You see it while you're shopping. (26:20) Like, you you still watch it happen?
Jamie (26:23) Oh, yeah.
Scott Benner (26:24) Yeah?
Jamie (26:24) It's hard to just let it go because it's part of the reason that prices are so high, and it fuels so many other things in our economy and destroys our economy. (26:33) But also, like, it's just hard to let it go because it's so ingrained in me to do something about it.
Scott Benner (26:40) Yeah.
Jamie (26:41) But I don't work for that store.
Scott Benner (26:43) Do you say something? (26:44) Do you ever go like, hey. (26:45) That guy's, like, stealing something right now?
Jamie (26:47) Yeah. (26:48) Yep. (26:48) We had one just the other it was, like, three weeks ago. (26:51) We went into a quick trip. (26:52) It's a gas station out here.
Jamie (26:53) Mhmm. (26:54) And there's a guy standing there just shoving food up his jacket sleeve. (26:58) So I was like, hey. (26:59) Why don't you put that back? (27:00) And he's like, I don't know what you mean.
Jamie (27:02) And I was like, hey. (27:02) That guy's stealing.
Scott Benner (27:04) Did he freak out?
Jamie (27:05) And my husband yeah. (27:06) He he put it all down and ran. (27:08) Wow. (27:09) My husband's like, what is wrong with you? (27:11) And I'm like, dude, he's stealing food from the gas station.
Jamie (27:14) If he's hungry, I will buy him a meal, but he doesn't need to steal it.
Scott Benner (27:18) Wow. (27:18) Look at you. (27:19) Did you buy him something?
Jamie (27:21) No. (27:21) Because he ran.
Scott Benner (27:22) Is a guy been on the corner near my house recently holding the sign says, like, I need money and blah blah blah. (27:28) You know, after you see him once, you feel terrible and then, you know
Jamie (27:31) And you see him again and you're kinda numb?
Scott Benner (27:33) Well, the twentieth time in a row, it is a little numbing. (27:35) Right? (27:35) Like, he's there every day and, like and I looked over the other day and he's got a giant iced coffee and he's on his phone. (27:44) And I'm like, I mean, aren't those coffees, like, $10? (27:50) And like and I'm like,
Jamie (27:51) guess someone bought it for him.
Scott Benner (27:52) And then I'm hoping so they're right, but then it goes to my head. (27:55) Like, god. (27:55) I hope somebody gave it to him. (27:56) You know what I mean? (27:57) Like, also, he's got a phone.
Scott Benner (27:58) Phones seem expensive to me or maybe they're not. (28:01) Like, maybe it's a thing you get through services. (28:03) I don't know exactly. (28:04) But it it gave me all kinds of question. (28:06) It gave me more questions than answers.
Scott Benner (28:08) You know what I mean?
Jamie (28:09) Yeah.
Scott Benner (28:10) Yeah. (28:10) That was all. (28:11) I wanted everyone to know in the end.
Jamie (28:12) You should sit down and talk to him, see if he'll talk to you on the podcast.
Scott Benner (28:15) I gotta tell you, that's that's my next thing. (28:17) I'm gonna start I'm gonna start just podcasting with people out in the world who are, like, extreme. (28:21) Would that be a good idea, wouldn't
Jamie (28:24) Yeah. (28:24) Just randomly walk around and start talking to people.
Scott Benner (28:26) I think I could do it. (28:27) That's my first thought.
Jamie (28:28) I'm sure you could. (28:29) You you you talk to people really well. (28:31) You're pretty sociable.
Scott Benner (28:33) I am I am. (28:33) Jimmy, thank you. (28:34) I appreciate this. (28:35) Actually, you know, I shared online today that, an acquaintance of mine, not a person I see frequently at all, older guy than me by probably fifteen years, ten years. (28:45) I don't know how old I am exactly or how old he is, but he's a lot older than me.
Scott Benner (28:48) And he lost the dog, lost a pet. (28:51) And I knew the dog had passed, but I didn't realize that it had passed very, like, recently. (28:56) I just knew the dog had passed. (28:58) And I offered my condolences when I bumped into him. (29:01) And rather unexpectedly, because he's not I didn't take him as this kind of guy, But he got real, like, emotionally, like, started feeling all of his feelings.
Scott Benner (29:10) And we're talking and he's, like, he's crying, and we were in public. (29:13) And I was not uncomfortable. (29:15) I made eye contact the whole time. (29:17) I asked good questions. (29:18) I was supportive.
Scott Benner (29:19) Like, I did a I did a really good job of, like, having that conversation with him and I think letting him get through things, getting him back on his way, feeling well. (29:27) And when I walked away, I thought, that's because of that podcast I make. (29:31) Like, a decade ago, I would not have been good at this. (29:34) Like, I would have said, hey. (29:36) I'm so sorry to hear about your dog.
Scott Benner (29:37) And then he would have got upset, and I would have been like, I wasn't looking for all
Jamie (29:41) know what to say. (29:42) Yeah.
Scott Benner (29:42) Please, like, I let me apologize for bringing this up, let's get away from each other now. (29:46) It's probably how it would have felt to me, but I was not uncomfortable while he was having his feelings. (29:51) I kept eye contact, which was I thought a big deal. (29:54) Because if you've listened to the podcast for a long time, you might know that I wasn't good at eye contact, like, many years ago. (29:59) And I asked good reflexive questions.
Scott Benner (30:02) I kept him on a good pace. (30:03) I said encouraging things. (30:05) I brought a little bit of my own experience and without making it about myself. (30:08) Like, I was really proud of myself when I walked away. (30:10) Not that I was, you know that wasn't my takeaway from the moment, but, like and I was happy for him because I don't think that that he has another outlet in his life to have those emotions.
Jamie (30:21) Yeah. (30:21) Yeah. (30:22) It's hard. (30:23) I struggle I I do a lot of I'm pretty active in our church, so I'm around a lot of people with that. (30:30) And I still struggle sometimes when people come to me with emotional things, like, I don't know how to always handle it.
Scott Benner (30:36) Yeah.
Jamie (30:36) And sometimes it makes me cry.
Scott Benner (30:39) Yeah. (30:39) It's not helpful to them.
Jamie (30:40) Which I'm sure is is even more awkward.
Scott Benner (30:43) Like, great. (30:44) This lady asked me how I'm doing, and now she's crying. (30:46) Awesome.
Jamie (30:47) Yeah. (30:48) Yep.
Scott Benner (30:48) And there it was. (30:49) Like, I did not expect that to happen. (30:51) It ended up being good. (30:52) I actually even found myself thinking much later, not during it. (30:56) I'm not a sociopath.
Scott Benner (30:57) But, like, during it, like, I'm like, oh, later I thought, that would have been interesting. (31:02) Like, to hear that recorded, that ten or fifteen minutes, like, I think it would have been interesting to people. (31:07) So Yeah. (31:08) Nevertheless. (31:09) Maybe one day I'll stop doing this podcast.
Scott Benner (31:10) I'll start making a different kind. (31:12) I'll go out in the world and just randomly interview people.
Jamie (31:15) I don't know. (31:15) Where would people be without your podcast, though? (31:17) Like, Juice Sauce podcast has been such a part of my diabetes life.
Scott Benner (31:22) Really?
Jamie (31:23) Yeah. (31:23) Like, it really has framed how I think about my diabetes and how I handle it and how I treat it. (31:31) And a lot of people feel like it's a a disability to them, but I don't feel like it really disables it. (31:37) I feel like it just changes the way I live. (31:39) It's not disabling me from doing things.
Scott Benner (31:42) Yeah.
Jamie (31:43) And I think a big part of that is from listening to your podcast because it gave me that, like, the hope and the ability to make those decisions and treatment decisions on my own without being forced to constantly ask the doctor for help. (31:56) Mhmm. (31:57) And, yeah, it's really shaped how I handle my diabetes. (32:01) Oh. (32:01) I don't know how else to explain it.
Scott Benner (32:03) Well, no. (32:03) You explained it really well, and I I really appreciate you sharing that with me. (32:06) Thank you. (32:07) Yeah. (32:07) I don't know.
Scott Benner (32:08) I feel lucky to be in the position where that's true and that you're able to tell me about it. (32:13) Because, you know, very similarly, when we got done talking, the guy said to me, he's like, I really appreciate this. (32:18) Thank you. (32:18) I'm sorry for dumping all this on you, he said. (32:20) I was I wanted to say, like, oh, it's okay.
Scott Benner (32:22) I make a podcast. (32:23) I'm used to this. (32:24) I'm used to people telling me how horrible their lives are or how sad they are or what's going wrong for them and then chatting through it. (32:31) I just was like, no. (32:32) It's my pleasure.
Scott Benner (32:32) And I actually told him. (32:33) I said, I'm proud of you, man. (32:34) I'm like, you know, your age, like, I'm sure you didn't grow up with a dad who would have cried about his dog passing away, and I don't imagine anybody modeled that for him. (32:43) And and I thought it was a big deal. (32:44) Like, I congratulate him for standing there and feeling how he felt.
Scott Benner (32:47) You know? (32:48) Yeah. (32:49) Yeah. (32:49) I thought it was really, really kinda special. (32:51) And I appreciate you saying that very much.
Scott Benner (32:53) Thank you.
Jamie (32:53) Even in my age growing up, like and I don't think you're I think we're almost the same age. (32:58) We're not that you're not that much No.
Scott Benner (33:00) You don't understand. (33:01) Older than you're 44?
Jamie (33:04) Yeah.
Scott Benner (33:04) Yeah. (33:05) That's ten years younger than me. (33:06) Those ten years are like Really? (33:07) Yeah. (33:08) When, like, ligaments stop working in your joints and stuff like that.
Scott Benner (33:11) Those are those are not
Jamie (33:11) Oh, gosh. (33:12) No. (33:12) I'm already there. (33:13) No. (33:13) I was
Scott Benner (33:13) gonna say those are not fun ten years, forty four to fifty four. (33:16) The only good thing that happens in this decade is if you don't get sick and you're not dying or somebody hasn't died in your life, you start feeling a little like you understand the world. (33:27) And that's kinda comforting. (33:29) Like, any of the, like, nervousness or anxiety you have, like, eventually goes I don't know if you get your ten thousand hours or, you know, whatever. (33:36) For me, at least, like, things slowed down.
Scott Benner (33:39) I feel more present. (33:41) I feel more, like, I understand.
Jamie (33:44) Mhmm.
Scott Benner (33:44) I feel less worried. (33:47) I feel less rushed. (33:49) I, like, I understand now what people say when, like, you know, it's so life's so upsetting the way it works. (33:54) It starts off, you don't know anything, and just when you're figuring it out, you die. (33:58) Like, I get I get that vibe now.
Scott Benner (34:00) Because now, like
Jamie (34:01) Okay.
Scott Benner (34:01) Yeah. (34:02) Like, I wanna stay alive now because, I'm like, I wonder I could probably do something now. (34:06) Like, I'm I'm tuned in now at this point. (34:08) But your body, not is not great. (34:11) It that that part's not like, I saw myself in a video the other day and I was like, oh, I look older.
Scott Benner (34:16) And I don't even know how to put that. (34:17) It's just like the like, your frame or the way you move or something like that. (34:21) That that part's upsetting.
Jamie (34:23) See, I feel like that was all of my autoimmune except for my fish well, my shellfish allergy and my latex allergy. (34:31) Those happened when I was younger, but everything else has been since my diabetes diagnosis.
Scott Benner (34:38) Okay. (34:38) Latex allergy, by the way, sounds like the start of a childish eighties joke, but how did you figure out oh, I guess I'm gonna ask. (34:46) How did you figure out you had a latex allergy?
Jamie (34:48) When I was working at the sheriff's department, our gloves were latex.
Scott Benner (34:52) Oh. (34:53) Oh. (34:53) You couldn't have got that weed out of there one way or the other. (34:56) That would've been a problem for you.
Jamie (34:58) I was yeah. (34:59) Gotcha. (34:59) So, I mean so it's just one of those things. (35:02) And then as I've gotten older, you know, like, all the autoimmune diseases have just, like Piled. (35:06) Riddled my body.
Jamie (35:08) And then I had long COVID and all of, like, all of the things. (35:13) And it's just like, what what next is this body gonna come up with to try to kill me?
Scott Benner (35:17) Have you gotten through long COVID, or does it flare up on you sometimes?
Jamie (35:22) It flares up on me. (35:23) I'm actually trying the nicotine patch therapy right now. (35:27) The protocol for that is, like, seven milligrams.
Scott Benner (35:31) Woah. (35:31) Woah. (35:31) Hold on a second. (35:32) Slow so you're all hold on. (35:33) I wanna hear about this so much.
Scott Benner (35:35) I tried to get my wife to pay attention to this, and she poo pooed me. (35:38) Tell me Oh. (35:39) Who who delivered you this idea that this was an idea? (35:42) How did you get it going? (35:43) What has your outcomes been like so far?
Jamie (35:46) So a friend of mine has brought it up to me a couple of times. (35:49) Like, you should try the nicotine patch therapy. (35:52) And then my chiropractor started talking about it. (35:54) He was like, I read a study about nicotine patch therapy. (35:57) Maybe it would help you.
Jamie (35:59) And I finally bit the bullet and researched the nicotine patches and decided on a brand and ordered them from Amazon. (36:07) And I cut them into strips of three. (36:11) So they're the twenty one milligram patches, and I cut them into three.
Scott Benner (36:14) Go on.
Jamie (36:14) The one patch lasts for three days, and I change it every night before bed. (36:19) And I am on so I started this will be twenty one days will be on Sunday.
Scott Benner (36:25) Okay. (36:26) So you're twenty one days into it. (36:27) And any Yes. (36:29) Any impacts at all?
Jamie (36:30) My brain fog is a lot better.
Scott Benner (36:33) Mhmm.
Jamie (36:34) The nerve pain today is the first day I've had any kind of nerve pain in almost two weeks, which is a first in quite a while.
Scott Benner (36:43) Describe the nerve pain.
Jamie (36:45) Like, my my skin feels like it's on fire.
Scott Benner (36:48) Okay.
Jamie (36:49) And it'll roam. (36:51) So, like, today, it's in my left foot, like, in my toes. (36:56) And then, like, tomorrow, it would be in a different spot, or it might be in a different spot in a couple days. (37:01) Sometimes it lasts a couple days in one spot. (37:03) Sometimes it would just move every day.
Jamie (37:05) Sometimes I would go a day or two without it.
Scott Benner (37:07) Right.
Jamie (37:08) And the migraines. (37:09) The migraines have just been insane.
Scott Benner (37:12) You you you get headaches since you've had COVID?
Jamie (37:15) Yeah. (37:16) I had migraines. (37:17) I've had a history of migraines, but COVID set them off again
Scott Benner (37:20) Okay.
Jamie (37:22) Where I was getting them almost every day.
Scott Benner (37:24) Which patch did you go with? (37:25) The habitual?
Jamie (37:27) No. (37:27) I picked rugby, the rugby brand.
Scott Benner (37:29) Okay. (37:30) Rugby. (37:31) And Yeah. (37:33) Where did you learn like, when you said the protocol let's use that word lightly because it sounds like a thing you got on Reddit, but that's still fine. (37:40) I see you out there, Reddit, and I appreciate you.
Jamie (37:43) Right.
Scott Benner (37:44) Where did you hear like, where did you get this protocol from?
Jamie (37:47) I actually googled and started looking at different studies that have been published. (37:51) And the COVID Institute had one that said to try seven milligrams for twenty one days.
Scott Benner (37:57) And do you stop it after that?
Jamie (37:59) Yeah. (38:00) Supposedly, you can just be done and it should be better. (38:03) So we'll see.
Scott Benner (38:05) I need you, and I'm not joking, to email me in a couple weeks and tell me how it's going.
Jamie (38:11) Yeah.
Scott Benner (38:12) Alright? (38:12) Because this girl I married is, is struggling a little
Jamie (38:16) bit. (38:17) With the COVID?
Scott Benner (38:18) Yeah. (38:18) The long COVID. (38:19) And she's here every day. (38:20) You know what I mean? (38:21) Like, I can't get rid of her now.
Scott Benner (38:22) I've been with her for, like, thirty years. (38:23) Well, I could do what your husband did, I guess, and just fucking disappear. (38:27) But Right?
Jamie (38:31) See, I'm
Scott Benner (38:32) really up for that. (38:33) As I mentioned earlier, we've saved a couple of dollars and I don't wanna lose half of it.
Jamie (38:37) Right.
Scott Benner (38:38) It's not enough. (38:39) You know, it's not enough, but it's enough. (38:40) You know what I'm saying?
Jamie (38:42) Mhmm.
Scott Benner (38:43) Goddamn. (38:44) Oh, I I have I have such hope for you about this. (38:46) What is the idea behind what it might do for you?
Jamie (38:50) So according to the the papers I've read, so COVID is binding to a nicotine receptor in your body, which is causing a lot of the long term effects. (39:00) Mhmm. (39:00) And so by using it, a nicotine patch, like, in seven milligrams a day for twenty one days, it's not a habit forming. (39:05) So, like, you should be able to stop it and not have any withdrawals.
Scott Benner (39:08) Okay.
Jamie (39:09) And so it's enough though that it puts the nicotine into your body and disrupts the COVID that's stuck to that nicotine receptor and knocks it out of there.
Scott Benner (39:18) No kidding.
Jamie (39:20) That's what I've read.
Scott Benner (39:21) And this is something you, like, heard on Joe Rogan or something like that. (39:24) Like, it actually might be like a I mean, I'm looking at it now. (39:27) Covidinstitute.org nicotine dash patch dash protocol. (39:31) Yeah. (39:32) So you heard this online.
Scott Benner (39:33) You read about it, and then you're trying it.
Jamie (39:35) Mhmm.
Scott Benner (39:35) You're on the twenty first day today. (39:37) Just
Jamie (39:37) No. (39:38) Sunday is my twenty first will be my last patch.
Scott Benner (39:41) We do not support using a nicotine patch for any longer than thirty days and preferably no longer than fourteen days. (39:48) Yeah. (39:48) You saw the same
Jamie (39:49) I chose
Scott Benner (39:49) website that I'm looking at.
Jamie (39:51) Yep. (39:52) I chose twenty one days because there were some other studies, and I don't remember what other studies I read that had said that it needed to be at least twenty one days to be fully effective.
Scott Benner (40:03) Any unpleasant side effects?
Jamie (40:05) So I have pretty sensitive skin, but sometimes it itches.
Scott Benner (40:10) The
Jamie (40:10) patch will
Scott Benner (40:11) itch. (40:11) Yeah.
Jamie (40:12) And sometimes they don't stay on for a full twenty four hours, which is kind of annoying. (40:16) Like Ugh. (40:18) Stay put. (40:18) You know? (40:19) Like yeah.
Jamie (40:20) Because, like, we're used to our diabetes, like, devices staying on for ten days or or Yeah. (40:24) Yeah. (40:25) Full eighty hours. (40:26) And here's a nicotine patch that can't even make it twenty four hours. (40:29) Like, what a piece of crap.
Scott Benner (40:30) I wonder what else this could do for me. (40:32) Could this help me? (40:33) I don't have long COVID, but I, I would like to feel better. (40:35) What does this got to do with anything?
Jamie (40:38) I I don't know. (40:39) I don't know, but it it's really done wonders for me.
Scott Benner (40:42) May I ask a question?
Jamie (40:44) Mhmm.
Scott Benner (40:45) Did you consider just smoking a cigarette every day?
Jamie (40:48) No. (40:48) Because the cigarettes have so much extra stuff put in them. (40:51) Mhmm. (40:52) It really I I used to smoke when I was younger, and I don't anymore. (40:56) And I remember how crappy they made me feel.
Scott Benner (40:58) I don't want you
Jamie (40:58) to cigarette is, like, one mill like, milligram of nicotine. (41:03) So Oh. (41:03) A seven milligram patch is like smoking seven cigarettes in a day.
Scott Benner (41:07) No kidding.
Jamie (41:07) And I'm not getting all the extra chemicals.
Scott Benner (41:10) How many milligrams of nicotine
Jamie (41:15) Is in a cigarette? (41:16) A cigarette. (41:17) I'm pretty sure it's one milligram.
Scott Benner (41:18) Heard a guy the other day say, if you're gonna be successful, you need one computer that you work on and one computer that's just for your AI model. (41:26) I don't know if that's true or not. (41:27) A typical cigarette contains about eighty to twenty milligrams of nicotine depending on the brand and type. (41:32) However, your body can only absorb around one to two milligrams of nicotine per cigarette when you smoke it. (41:38) What about about those pouches I see hipsters using?
Scott Benner (41:47) Sorry, hipsters.
Jamie (41:48) I have a bunch of friends who use those pouches. (41:50) I'm totally telling them you should call them hipsters.
Scott Benner (41:53) What do you think they're hipsters?
Jamie (41:54) At least one is.
Scott Benner (41:55) Yeah. (41:56) Uh-huh. (41:56) Okay. (41:56) Nicotine contains in a pouch two to twelve milligrams nicotine per pouch depending on the brand and the strength. (42:01) Common sizes, three milligrams, six milligrams, eight milligrams absorption.
Scott Benner (42:04) A six milligram pouch delivers roughly the same nicotine as smoking half to a full cigarette depending on the person. (42:10) So these patches are really the way to go if you wanna do this.
Jamie (42:13) Yeah. (42:14) Yeah. (42:14) Plus, I feel like you can move the patch around to different places. (42:17) You're supposed to wear them in between your, like, your groin area and your neck, either on your arms or your torso. (42:25) And I feel like you can move them around.
Jamie (42:27) Like, you're not supposed to put them in the same spot every day.
Scott Benner (42:29) Yeah.
Jamie (42:29) And so you can move them around, and you're not, like, repeatedly damaging your skin or your mouth or your lungs by using a cigarette or a pouch.
Scott Benner (42:39) Yeah.
Jamie (42:39) Plus, think about all the extra chemicals they put in those pouches. (42:42) There's flavoring. (42:43) There's stuff that they're using to, like, preserve it. (42:47) And it just
Scott Benner (42:48) I wanna say I wouldn't I wouldn't do it. (42:50) I was just asking the question.
Jamie (42:51) Yeah. (42:51) I wouldn't I wouldn't do it.
Scott Benner (42:53) I'm not gonna dig deeper because now I'm wondering, do cigarette smokers suffer less long COVID symptoms?
Jamie (43:00) Right? (43:01) How did they figure this out?
Scott Benner (43:03) Had to
Jamie (43:03) be I have no idea.
Scott Benner (43:04) There's It just Long COVID.
Jamie (43:07) A friend of mine who does all kinds of research was like, you need to try this, and he just kept after me about it. (43:12) And then my chiropractor started to numb me about it too. (43:15) And I was like, okay. (43:16) Fine. (43:16) I will let me do some research, and then this is what I picked.
Jamie (43:20) And here I am.
Scott Benner (43:22) Oh, it says here multiple studies have found that smokers or users of tobacco and e cigarettes were more likely to have severe COVID requiring mechanical ventilation. (43:31) I don't know if any of this is right or not. (43:32) Like, I I don't know how to figure out any of them. (43:34) This is just Yeah.
Jamie (43:35) But that's, like, while they're sick with COVID, but what about long COVID?
Scott Benner (43:38) That's what I'm asking too. (43:39) Like, say I didn't get sick with COVID, like, in a way that I was, like, laid up, but I got long COVID. (43:44) Is the cigarettes I'm so listen. (43:47) I'm gonna tell you something right now. (43:48) Nicotine is used pretty widely for a number of things.
Scott Benner (43:51) It is obviously something you can get addicted to and you shouldn't, you know, trifle with. (43:57) And I'm certainly not saying anybody should do it, but I am also saying that if you're suffering from long COVID and you're in any kind of situation like I see my poor wife in, anything might be worth a try at some point or another.
Jamie (44:09) Yeah. (44:09) So And that's where I was too. (44:11) I was like, it's $20 for a box a box of twenty one milligram pouches. (44:15) Like, what am I out? (44:16) $20.
Jamie (44:17) Okay. (44:18) Boohoo. (44:19) Either it works or it doesn't work.
Scott Benner (44:20) Yeah. (44:21) You're not gonna grow a third arm in twenty one days or anything like that.
Jamie (44:24) Right. (44:24) Yeah. (44:25) And I did notice almost I mean, like I said, the nerve pain was reduced a lot, almost almost right away. (44:32) I think I noticed the second or third day I was on the patch that I didn't have nerve pain like I did before. (44:40) And I had tried gabapentin too for the long COVID, and I was on a pretty high dose of gabapentin.
Jamie (44:45) And it just Wait.
Scott Benner (44:46) What's gabapentin?
Jamie (44:47) It's a prescription drug. (44:49) It's almost on the same wavelength of, like, a narcotic. (44:53) It's not a schedule three, though. (44:54) They use it it blocks the pain receptors in your brain, and that's really all I know about it. (45:00) But I was taking it three times a day, so it's easy to forget and miss a dose.
Jamie (45:05) Yeah. (45:05) And there's a lot of studies that talk about, like, if you suddenly quit gabapentin or if if you reduce your stuff or if you reduce it too quickly, you can do damage to your heart. (45:17) Oh. (45:17) And I'm like, well, that's not a side effect I want. (45:21) And I was only on the gabapentin for about a year.
Jamie (45:23) I was still having migraines quite a bit. (45:26) I was still having nerve pain quite a bit. (45:28) Mhmm. (45:28) I still have brain fog where, like, I couldn't pick up a book and read it and absorb it. (45:33) I'd have to sit and read it and read it and read it over and over and over.
Jamie (45:37) And that was the hardest part for me. (45:39) It's because I love learning. (45:42) I'm constantly trying to learn new things, and I couldn't absorb things I was trying to learn Okay. (45:47) With the long COVID, and it made me so frustrated. (45:51) So, yeah, they had me on the gabapentin, and then I had it's like I had to get another prescription for Imitrex and, like, all this stuff and
Scott Benner (45:58) It's a lot. (45:58) Was it helping any of that?
Jamie (46:00) The gabapentin did help. (46:02) Like, the brain fog eased a little bit, but it wasn't gone by any means. (46:06) Okay. (46:08) The migraines and the nerve pain were still there.
Scott Benner (46:10) Tell me again. (46:11) In the last twenty one days, you think your brain fog has lifted?
Jamie (46:14) My brain fog is is like yeah. (46:17) It's not I think I still have rough days, but, like, I can pick up a book and read it and not have to reread it.
Scott Benner (46:26) Okay. (46:26) Do you feel better rested, or is there anything else that's going on for you that's valuable, or just that as your takeaway so far?
Jamie (46:33) I sleep better.
Scott Benner (46:35) Sleep better.
Jamie (46:35) I don't know. (46:36) Yeah. (46:36) I'm sleeping better. (46:37) So in the last twenty one days, I am for sure sleeping better because I'm not waking up with nerve pain, and I'm not waking up with the migraine every night.
Scott Benner (46:44) Yeah. (46:45) Okay.
Jamie (46:46) Alright. (46:46) So I do I still get the migraine? (46:48) Yes. (46:48) I just had a migraine. (46:50) Like, I think it's been a week and a half for my last migraine, which is really actually really good.
Jamie (46:54) It doesn't sound like much, but considering I was getting them almost daily
Scott Benner (47:00) It's good for you.
Jamie (47:01) Yeah. (47:02) So I'm I'm really hopeful that, like, this is going forward is gonna be because it's been three years
Scott Benner (47:09) Yeah. (47:09) Since It's hard. (47:11) And yeah. (47:12) Anybody else who has any experience with this, I'd love to have you on the podcast talk about it too. (47:17) So alright.
Scott Benner (47:19) I'm gonna let you go, Jamie, because we've been talking way too long. (47:22) This is a two part episode now.
Jamie (47:24) And Oh, okay.
Scott Benner (47:25) Poor Robert has now been editing for, like, a month and a half to get through this episode.
Jamie (47:30) Fair. (47:30) Yeah. (47:30) Well and then just so you know, my bread maker is done. (47:33) I heard it beeping.
Scott Benner (47:34) You started talking about that before we started recording, but you said you were making you were making bread because of me. (47:38) I hope it's good.
Jamie (47:39) You always talk about bread and how you would make bread for Arden. (47:43) And I was like, I really wanna learn how to bake bread. (47:45) So I found a bread maker, and this is my first loaf. (47:48) So we'll see how it goes. (47:49) I'll send you an email.
Scott Benner (47:50) Well, if it's done, go get it out because you don't want it to start sweating and then get moist. (47:53) Okay?
Jamie (47:54) Okay.
Scott Benner (47:55) Yeah. (47:55) Once they're done cooking, you wanna get them out and put them on a cooling rack. (47:58) Don't let them lay flat. (47:59) Right? (47:59) Because they'll get wet underneath.
Scott Benner (48:01) You have a cooling rack?
Jamie (48:01) I do. (48:02) We have several.
Scott Benner (48:03) Throw it up on a cooling rack. (48:04) And if it's not a tall cooling rack, I might even put a couple paper towels under the cooling rack to catch the moisture, pull it out. (48:11) Keeps keeps the loaf nice and nice and tight.
Jamie (48:13) Good to know.
Scott Benner (48:14) You were really awesome. (48:15) I appreciate you sharing all this with me. (48:16) Thank you.
Jamie (48:17) Yeah. (48:17) Thanks for taking the time to talk to me, and and, you know, I hope Kelly gets gets better because it's rough being sick with long COVID.
Scott Benner (48:25) Yeah. (48:25) No. (48:25) I really appreciate that. (48:26) And she said kids were like I'm not gonna say this on here. (48:33) The kids at some point were like, mom, like, think if you die, like, like, I don't think dad will have any trouble dating.
Scott Benner (48:38) And she's like, what?
Jamie (48:39) Oh, no.
Scott Benner (48:40) One of the kids goes Like, one of those diabetes ladies will go out with him. (48:44) And Arden's like, yeah. (48:45) One of those ladies listening would love dad to take care of their kid. (48:49) Would have nothing to do with me. (48:51) They were like, yeah.
Scott Benner (48:52) They'd probably, like, you know, be able to use him for, like, a good I was like, why is this how I'm being spoken about? (48:58) And I was like, and I'm not going out with somebody. (49:00) Can you imagine if I dated somebody listening to the podcast after my wife passed away? (49:03) I would look like a terrible person.
Jamie (49:06) No? (49:06) That would that would be yeah.
Scott Benner (49:08) Yeah. (49:08) That
Jamie (49:08) She's not gonna die for long COVID, though. (49:10) She'll get better.
Scott Benner (49:11) I also don't think she's gonna die. (49:12) I'm just saying, like, the, you know, the kids have, like, a funny sense of humor, and this was it.
Jamie (49:16) I did have a question Go ahead. (49:18) About Arden's lows.
Scott Benner (49:19) Go ahead.
Jamie (49:20) Was she when she, like, came back up from the low, was she exhausted for a couple of days?
Scott Benner (49:25) It kicked her ass for a while, actually.
Jamie (49:28) Okay.
Scott Benner (49:28) Yeah.
Jamie (49:28) And was she, like, overly hungry for a couple of days?
Scott Benner (49:31) I don't know about that one. (49:33) I'm trying to think it's been a couple of years now.
Jamie (49:35) I don't
Scott Benner (49:36) She was scared to sleep by herself for a while.
Jamie (49:39) Oh. (49:39) Yeah. (49:39) I can understand that.
Scott Benner (49:41) Yeah. (49:41) Yeah.
Jamie (49:41) No. (49:42) I it took me a good three or four days at least to feel awake, like like I had slept enough. (49:48) And then I could not get enough carbs into my body.
Scott Benner (49:51) I've heard other people talk about what you're saying, so it's not the first time someone said
Jamie (49:55) it to me. (49:56) Okay.
Scott Benner (49:56) Arden didn't have that specific.
Jamie (49:58) I was just wondering if I was weird.
Scott Benner (49:59) Yeah. (50:00) No. (50:00) I don't think so. (50:01) I don't think you're weird.
Jamie (50:01) Okay.
Scott Benner (50:02) Also, Arden's yelling she's hungry all the time. (50:04) So
Jamie (50:05) I mean, I'm old and I'm hungry all the time.
Scott Benner (50:08) Will you promise me that tonight you you'll eat dinner at the kitchen table and it'll be something hot?
Jamie (50:12) Oh, we're going to my mom's house tonight for dinner. (50:14) So
Scott Benner (50:15) You got some lady to cook for you. (50:16) Okay. (50:16) That's smart. (50:17) Okay.
Jamie (50:17) Yeah. (50:17) We gotta go make we gotta fix her toilet.
Scott Benner (50:20) You're gonna swap a toilet fix for a dinner?
Jamie (50:22) Oh, all the time. (50:23) Yeah. (50:23) We go over my mom's house and do stuff for her and she's like, oh, I'll make you guys some food. (50:26) What do you wanna eat for dinner?
Scott Benner (50:27) Nice. (50:28) It's a good idea. (50:29) Yeah. (50:29) I'll keep that in mind for later in my life. (50:31) Thank you.
Jamie (50:33) It's my mom's idea.
Scott Benner (50:34) Oh, Jamie, hold on for a second. (50:35) This was awesome. (50:36) Thank you.
Jamie (50:37) Yeah.
Scott Benner (50:44) I'd like to remind you again about the MiniMed seven eighty g automated insulin delivery system, which of course anticipates, adjusts, and corrects every five minutes twenty four seven. (50:54) It works around the clock so you can focus on what matters. (50:59) The juice box community knows the importance of using technology to simplify managing diabetes. (51:04) To learn more about how you can spend less time and effort managing your diabetes, visit my link, metronicdiabetes.com/juicebox. (51:15) Having an easy to use and accurate blood glucose meter is just one click away.
Scott Benner (51:20) Contournext.com/juicebox. (51:24) That's right. (51:25) Today's episode is sponsored by the Contour NextGen blood glucose meter. (51:30) I can't thank you enough for listening. (51:32) Please make sure you're subscribed, you're following, and your audio app.
Scott Benner (51:35) I'll be back tomorrow with another episode of the Juice Box podcast. (51:39) Hey, kids. (51:39) Listen up. (51:40) You've made it to the end of the podcast. (51:42) You must have enjoyed it.
Scott Benner (51:43) You know what else you might enjoy? (51:44) The private Facebook group for the Juice Box podcast. (51:48) I know you're thinking, Facebook, Scott, please. (51:51) But no. (51:51) Beautiful group, wonderful people, a fantastic community.
Scott Benner (51:55) Juice Box podcast, type one diabetes on Facebook. (51:58) Of course, if you have type two, are you touched by diabetes in any way? (52:02) You're absolutely welcome. (52:04) It's a private group, so you'll have to answer a couple of questions before you come in. (52:07) We'll make sure you're not a bot or an evil doer, then you're on your way.
Scott Benner (52:11) You'll be part of the family. (52:13) If you'd like to hear about diabetes management in easy to take in bits, check out the small sips. (52:19) That's the series on the Juice Box podcast that listeners are talking about like it's a cheat code. (52:25) These are perfect little bursts of clarity, one person said. (52:28) I finally understood things I've heard a 100 times.
Scott Benner (52:31) Short, simple, and somehow exactly what I needed. (52:34) People say small sips feels like someone pulling up a chair, sliding a cup across the table, and giving you one clean idea at a time. (52:42) Nothing overwhelming, no fire hose of information, just steady helpful nudges that actually stick. (52:48) People listen in their car, on walks, or rather actually bolusing anytime that they need a quick shot of perspective. (52:55) And the reviews, they all say the same thing.
Scott Benner (52:58) Small sips makes diabetes make sense. (53:01) Search for the Juice Box podcast, Small sips, wherever you get audio. (53:06) If you have a podcast and you need a fantastic editor, you want Rob from Wrong Way Recording. (53:12) Listen. (53:13) Truth be told, I'm, like, 20% smarter when Rob edits me.
Scott Benner (53:16) He takes out all the, like, gaps of time and when I go, and stuff like that. (53:21) And it just I don't know, man. (53:23) Like, I listen back and I'm like, why do I sound smarter? (53:26) And then I remember because I did one smart thing. (53:29) I hired Rob at wrongwayrecording.com.
Please support the sponsors
The Juicebox Podcast is a free show, but if you'd like to support the podcast directly, you can make a gift here. Recent donations were used to pay for podcast hosting fees. Thank you to all who have sent 5, 10 and 20 dollars!
