#1592 After Dark: Tripping Through Type 1

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Ashlyn, 27, returns after 3–4 years; she first shared on After Dark 450 about psychedelics, concerts, and diabetes—now reflecting on how they’ve helped her.

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Scott Benner 0:00
Here we are back together again, friends for another episode of The Juicebox podcast.

Ashlyn 0:15
Hi, I am Ashlyn. This is my second time on the podcast, I just kind of wanted to reach back out, because I feel like I've come a long way in, like my own understanding of type one

Scott Benner 0:29
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Ashlyn 2:18
Hi, I am Ashlyn. This is my second time on the podcast. I just kind of wanted to reach back out, because I feel like I've come a long way in, like, my own understanding of type one. And then I just wanted to kind of talk about something that I love, which is concerts, music festivals and stuff like that. I'm really active on, like, a lot of different diabetes forms, and I see this, like, question asked a lot, so I just kind of wanted to put my two cents, even if nobody really wanted that, that's

Scott Benner 2:51
okay. I wanted it, or you wouldn't be here. What was your episode? It was the after dark about psychedelics. Yes. Okay, hold on one second. I'm gonna pull it up so people know which one it was? 450 does that sound right? Okay. Episode 450 after dark, psychedelics. Do you remember what we talked about? I mean, beyond the obvious? No.

Ashlyn 3:10
I mean, I, I had reached out to you around this time because I was, I had moved to Colorado, and I was having, like, an extreme amount of lows from just the altitude change, and then I pushed me to get a pump. And now I've been on a pump for, like, I just did my first renewal. So like, five years, four years,

Scott Benner 3:29
that's a while then, right? Are you still using psychedelics?

Ashlyn 3:33
I do on occasion, I just, it's not, it's not something you do frequently. So I have here and there, but not a lot.

Scott Benner 3:42
So can you tell me how you got from in 2021 when we recorded, I guess we probably recorded in 2020 probably went up in 2021 and how did you get from there to where you are now? Like? What was your experience using them that, and how did it shift to this? What are you like, done? Or are you like, No, I

Ashlyn 4:03
don't. I don't think anyone. I mean, you can be done. I don't view my relationship with stuff like that as like, Okay, now I'm done. I mean, if I wanted to, I would, it's just not. I've been so busy as a person that it's just not at the front of my brain. Yeah. So to just like recap, in the last, like, however long, because I think it was 2021 when we recorded, I was living in Colorado, kind of doing, like the bud tending, like working in the weed, cannabis industry stuff. Then I moved back into to Miami. Around 2022 I got into this, like, Music Festival stuff. I ended up landing a job at, like a company that does, like music festival merchandising, so I have to go to a lot of these shows and events

Scott Benner 4:50
for work. Okay, nice. That actually sounds fun. It is

Ashlyn 4:53
fun. My day to day job is emailing, a lot of emailing, but the concert tickets are great

Scott Benner 4:59
because. Yeah. So, okay, so back then you're smoking weed, doing psychedelics. Sometimes, could you tell somebody, like, what got you going with them? And besides your life being busier, what changed?

Ashlyn 5:12
I'm old or older, and I'm also, like, working full time going to school. So that's like a 60 hour a week workload. So less time for fun, less time for psychedelics, I guess still time for weed. I moved back to Colorado, and I work remotely now. So we are in a weed friendly place. We

Scott Benner 5:33
certainly are, and Miami, it does not sound like a place I'd want to live. For some

Ashlyn 5:37
reason, it's terrible. I moved back just to be closer to family, and within like a like, five seconds, I was like, Oh, I can't do

Scott Benner 5:45
so what were you getting from the usage that you either felt like you needed and learned you didn't need or needed and got like, do you see what I'm saying? Like, if it was, yeah, I feel like I remember our conversation. If I would have asked you back, then you would have told me how important all of this was and what it was doing for you. Like, so did that stop, or did you change?

Ashlyn 6:06
No, I think in like, I'm probably not the only one that feels this way. I've seen a lot of people say that you kind of just get to a point where you you kind of know what that does and where it brings you, if that makes sense, like, I feel like a lot of the stuff that I wanted to get out of that, or the things that I was trying to process Emotionally, I kind of processed them in a way, and that couldn't have been done without a the psychedelics and B therapy from, like, a real licensed therapist,

Scott Benner 6:38
right? That is what I'm leading towards, like I'm trying to figure out, because I, you know, I watch from a distance the conversations around like psychedelics for trauma therapy, and I don't know a ton about it, but I am super interested in whether it all works out. And, you know, becomes kind of publicly available easily, so you feel like you had stuff and you got through it.

Ashlyn 7:01
I have been diagnosed with CPTSD, and I do feel like psychedelics and talk therapy and time really helped. And honestly, a lot of that was surrounding type one, so I just kind of had to the only path through that kind of stuff is

Scott Benner 7:21
through it, yeah, yeah. You don't get to skip right or go over, no.

Ashlyn 7:25
And so honestly, what psychedelics did for me is just kind of, like, I wouldn't say, like, remove blinders, but you're able to be in your brain in a way, like it's like a vacation from yourself, is how I've described it. Okay, I'm still me. I'm still, you know, I still have the same problems, but sometimes you're able to see things from a different light and correct me if I'm wrong, like somebody fact check me. But I have seen people saying that it does increase the amount of dendrites in your brain, which is something that, like a lot of people are theorizing that it helps your brain make different connections. Okay? And I feel like a lot of the experiences that I've had, taking psychedelics and dabbling in other things would support that, and I still do psychedelics. It's just not, I'm not sitting there being like, Okay, I need to think about these things. Like, most of the time I'm at concerts, I'm partying.

Scott Benner 8:25
When you say psychedelics, like, specifically, what are you taking?

Ashlyn 8:28
I mean, I've done psilocybin, LSD, MDMA, the only things that I haven't really wanted to try or touch is any kind of ketamine. DMT, anything like that. I feel like anything that messes with, like, my field of vision, like that, I just

Scott Benner 8:44
don't want it. And it's interesting, isn't it, because there are ketamine clinics now, yeah,

Ashlyn 8:48
I know a lot of people who use it recreationally, and they it just, I would do it in a clinical setting, but it just doesn't look like a good time. I mean, you're taking, like, cat tranquilizer.

Scott Benner 9:01
You're like, you found my line I asked our overlords to describe, actually said, explain, in an elementary way how psychedelics can aid in trauma therapy. It specifically points out psilocybin. It talks about what trauma is about, like a deep emotional mark, like you're stuck in a moment, that kind of thing. And it says it gives you four ways that psychedelics may be able to help, and it talks about like helping the brain unstick the trauma. Trauma can get stuck in the brain like a scratch record. Psychedelics may help lift the needle, so to speak, so the brain can play like a new tune. Psychedelics often make people feel more open, safe and connected. This can make it easier to talk about scary memories and therapy without shutting down or panicking. Some psychedelics seem to quiet down the parts of the brain that scream like danger. So even even when you're not in danger, which can help people feel calmer while processing old pain and it helps, it says, to build new pathways. Psychedelics can help the brain build a new thought pattern instead of always thinking, I'm not safe. My fault and things like that, is that your finding

Ashlyn 10:03
so I feel like the last bullet point you just stated is most of what I feel. So it has really just helped me, like, see things in a different perspective, like, something that happens, especially with LSD, is you get this feeling of epiphanies, so you'll you'll have a thought, and you're like, Wow, this is really profound. This is really you know something, and then it kind of leaves you. But I do feel that it allows you to, like I said, like when you when you take a vacation, and you come back and you, you, you walk back in your house, and you're like, damn, as my house always smells like this, like it's very similar to that where you're like, This is the same place I've always been, but now I can kind of see small differences which allow me to process this fully.

Scott Benner 10:48
Yeah, I hear what you're saying that's pretty awesome. I have to tell you, like, I don't feel like I'm burdened by trauma. But every time I hear somebody talk about stuff like this, I think, like, it does sound interesting. I have to admit, it really does sound interesting anyway. So you wanted to talk specifically today about going to concerts with type one and Is that, am I right? I have that? Yeah. Okay, all right. So tell I mean, this is your idea. So tell me why, what made you feel like it needs to be talked about.

Ashlyn 11:16
I, like, I said, on, like, a lot of different like, type one diabetic forums. I'm on your Facebook group, Reddit, other Facebook groups, and I just see this question asked over and over and over again. And I've gone to legitimately 15 or more music festivals, and so I've had everything that could go wrong go wrong. I had a security guard accidentally, like, break a vial of insulin when they was going through security one time. Like, I just anything that could have happened. I've probably

Scott Benner 11:49
done it. You have, like, a checklist. Do you have rules? Do you have things you know to do that help people? Like, what is

Ashlyn 11:55
it I I definitely do feel like I have like a ritual in a way of of what to do, and like, how to prepare, how to pack. I do feel like a lot of people don't realize that they can reach out to like, Ada coordination and stuff like that before an event. I didn't know that for multiple years, and so I until I started working in this field. Now, I kind of do reach out to ADA coordinators just to be like, hey, like, Hi, I'm gonna be there.

Scott Benner 12:20
So at each event, like you're talking about festivals, not necessarily just like a concert at a BAS a basketball stadium or something,

Ashlyn 12:28
I thought, I mean, no, there. There is an ADA coordinator for those as well,

Scott Benner 12:31
everything. So how do I go about that? Let's say I'm gonna go see a comedy show in Jersey. And the venue, you know, I'm is gonna tell me, I don't know. I'm, they're going to want me to put my phone in a bag and lock it up. And I'm like, oh, no, I need that because, you know, it has my CGM on it. What are the steps I take to work that out?

Ashlyn 12:48
So you can definitely just, I would just call the venue and just be like, hey, you know, I have a couple questions. I have a disability, and I'm going to need, like, X accommodations. Do you ever run into a

Scott Benner 13:00
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Ashlyn 15:20
reach out prior to an event, usually the admin, who run, you know, whatever email or contact, they'll sometimes they'll be like, Oh, I don't know, or, you know, they'll just bounce me around. The only problems I've ever experienced is, like, going to the event with, like, specific security

Scott Benner 15:41
people. What do you mean? I'm not sure what you mean by

Ashlyn 15:44
that. So like, let's say I'm going, like, one time I went to like a club in Miami, and we went to go, it was like an outdoor event. And so the the lady was like, oh, you know, I have to check your bag, and I have the insulin pump. And then they kind of look at that, and they're like, oh, you know, they don't, they don't experience that often. And so the woman kept telling me, you know, you can't bring that in. You had like, what is that? And so I got into an argument with her, because I was like, No, this is a medical device. Like you I can't take it off. You can't look at it like, you know, like, right? Just let me through. And she was like, No, you have to leave. And I was like, Are you sure you want to do that right now? And so then I was like, let me speak to a floor manager. And so as soon as the floor manager walked over, I explained, and he was like, oh, and he just raised her hands up at her, like, come on. And then I just went through,

Scott Benner 16:30
right? So you just find that you can, if you don't pre plan, there is a possibility you're going to run into somebody that just doesn't get it. And they're just, they have a, you know, they have a thought in their head, like, I'm not supposed to let anybody in with, you know, electronic devices or something like that. And you

Ashlyn 16:45
honestly think it's the holster that makes them nervous,

Scott Benner 16:49
really, on your pump, which, which pump was it? So

Ashlyn 16:52
I had the type one tactical like, holster on my T slim when I had it, I have a Moby now, right? And sometimes they would look at that, because I sometimes they'll be like, oh, you know, like, let me like, when you go to the airport, and they're like, Oh, let me swab it, or whatever, that clicking sound of the holster. Like, I think sometimes that one looks kind of like a gun holster. So it depends on like, the individual person, because 95% of the time I don't need to contact anybody, I just walk through and they're like, go, go, go, right,

Scott Benner 17:21
you know, but sometimes you bump into somebody that's maybe a little more gruff about it and doesn't understand,

Ashlyn 17:27
right? And it's like, I kind of understand from their perspective too. Like you're dealing with so many people that are probably not in the greatest of headspace,

Scott Benner 17:37
yeah, so talk about that a little bit like even you, like you're pretty you're pretty you're pretty reasonable person, but you got into an argument pretty quickly over it. Are you high already when

Ashlyn 17:45
you get there? No. I mean, probably just weed.

Scott Benner 17:47
But I like how you don't, you don't count weed. You're like, no, just weed. That's awesome. Yeah, just just, but you are, like, you're a little altered, and now, I mean, did that help you get into an argument quicker? Do you

Ashlyn 17:58
think? No, no, no, I sober. He probably would have strung the lily

Scott Benner 18:03
up. Oh, you think the weeds, the only thing that saved her is what you're

Ashlyn 18:07
saying. I mean, pretty much I was like, Listen, you know, I'm not trying to be a problem. Let's not make this a problem. And I'm, I don't I listen. I do not have a temper at all. But with stuff like this, because my brain instantly goes to not me, but the newly diagnosed, like family that's going to go to some like baseball event, and then they have the same problem, and I'm like, they don't know how to advocate for themselves in the same way, because I'm an asshole.

Scott Benner 18:36
I watched Arden's bag get tossed in an emergency room the other day she needed IV antibiotics for something that's not really important right now. But like, you know, we came into the ER, her and I, and the guy pulled her aside, and she's like, look, there's, I have diabetes. There's juice boxes in there and, you know, insulin and stuff like that. And he like, took his stick out, and was like, sticking around in it and everything. And he's like, all right, and that was it. But, you know, using that as an example, even though you're at a hospital, he's not a doctor, he and he's the security guy at the door, you know. And you know you're going to, you know, I don't know you're going to a concert. And the person at the front, like they're not the floor manager, they're the person they hired to stand at the front. They gave him a short list of rules. They said, Don't let people in with this, this and this. This and this. And that's what, that's what the person's doing. They don't know, and they don't have what I would call, um, decision making power. Do you know what I mean?

Ashlyn 19:29
No, not at all. And that's what you have to understand. Like, even, you know, working from this side of things, all of those people are temps. Oh, yeah, right. It's,

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Ashlyn 20:56
No, no, no, we don't need to. It's just like, it's a medical device. Let's move on. And it really depends. I would say that happens at maybe one out of 30 times. I mean, I've had other times where it's like, they have a metal detector, and I'm always like, Hey, I can't go through the metal detector. And then they're like, oh, just come around. You know, most people are cool. Yeah, most people are cool. The only other thing that you can have to explain sometimes is I tend to bring so much food and that that's something like pre packaged food, like you can't have anything open. And so sometimes they'll be like, Why do you have this whole bag of quest chips with you or whatever? And I just have to be like, Oh, it's medical, you know.

Scott Benner 21:41
And if they give you a pushback on that, it's likely about money. They're trying to sell food is what they're getting.

Ashlyn 21:46
Oh, I'm not paying $20 for a quesadilla. Well,

Scott Benner 21:50
pre case. Oh, well. I mean, listen, when food is medicine, you need to have it with you. That's fair. Like, I mean, if you're in the middle of a concert full of people and you realize you're low, you can't make your way through the crowd. Stand in the line, you know, hope you have $20 it's a long way to go to save your life when your blood sugar is low, you know, it's not a And

Ashlyn 22:10
so no, but I will say, like any bigger event like there, there was a time where my fanny pack got, like, stolen from me, and they do have glucose tabs at the Medical like, tents at all of these events, they have glucose tabs. Yeah, that's nice. The worst comes to worst. I mean, I

Scott Benner 22:27
love that. I think that's great. I just think that again, if you're in the middle of a crowd and you're having an emergent situation, like, going to find the medical tents not exactly the way to go, like, I mean, it's your own, yeah, you want to have it with you, and so you have to be able to explain to that person coming in, this is not me trying to avoid spending money today on food. You have to think of this food as medication for me, because my blood

Ashlyn 22:48
sugar and I, I've gotten extremely petty with people. I remember one time I had a woman kind of just have the whole thing about the food, of like, you know, like, well, you can bring in food, but not this much food, because I bring in so much food, and I literally, like, lifted my skirt, showed her the infusion set. And I was like, Do you think this is a joke?

Scott Benner 23:10
It would be a long way to go to put an infusion set in yourself to get a bag of chips into a

Ashlyn 23:14
concert. Yeah? Usually they, they pipe down real quick, yeah. Well,

Scott Benner 23:19
it's just, you're just pointing out that, like, everybody can't know everything about everything,

Ashlyn 23:24
no, and like, if you don't have to know about diabetes, like, God bless you, live real life,

Scott Benner 23:28
good for you, right? So what happens is, when you're watching people online, you get like, a pang of, like, guilt that you feel like some people aren't going to notice the cup for themselves or not be able

Ashlyn 23:37
to. Well, I think a lot of it is just you're excited, you're going somewhere you really want to be, and then it's like, it's a, it's a temper. It's like, it's a, it's a, it's something you have to consider with type one, and it

Scott Benner 23:50
sucks. Yeah, do you prefer festivals where a bunch of bands come up? Or do you like going to concerts where you just hear a band or two? It

Ashlyn 23:57
depends on who's going to what. You know, like, if it's a bunch of people I like, then it the festivals are great. I will say concerts. Usually, if it's like one specific artist, the crowds are a little bit better. The festivals now it's just they can attract, like, the wrong types of people.

Scott Benner 24:15
What types of people? What are they doing? The people that shove you? Oh, people just pushing and shoving. And, yeah, people who are

Ashlyn 24:22
pushing shoving, they drink their little beatbox juice and they're gonna shove

Scott Benner 24:26
you, and they go crazy,

Ashlyn 24:29
yeah. And, you know, it didn't really, like bother me about the shoving until I got the insulin pump, and it's just something to consider. You know, when you're in a big crowd, I'm always like, honestly, half the time I try to get, like, a fanny pack that has, like, a little bit of a shell to it so it doesn't just, like squish, so if I get shoved or like something, my my insulin pump is a little bit more effective protection.

Scott Benner 24:50
Yeah. What's the best band you ever saw alive?

Ashlyn 24:53
The best band I've ever saw? Yeah, that

Scott Benner 24:55
really did the music justice live. That you were like, wow, this is awesome. That's

Ashlyn 24:59
a hard. Question, I've gone to a lot of red rock shows, and I do think that anyone who enjoys concerts go to Red Rock.

Scott Benner 25:09
It's a great like, it's a great venue. Yeah? The venue is great. Yeah, dead

Ashlyn 25:13
mouse does like a Halloween show every year. It's called a day, day of the dead mouse or something. That was an amazing show. How long

Scott Benner 25:20
does that go for?

Ashlyn 25:22
Maybe, like, four or five hours. Okay. And the great thing about Red Rocks is is they have like, accessibility shuttles and everything to the top. You don't have to do the whole stairs if you don't want to. And you get like, accessibility parking and stuff

Scott Benner 25:35
like that. Okay, I have to tell you, like, how old are you? I just turned

Ashlyn 25:39
27

Scott Benner 25:40
Okay, yeah, I just know that we're, like, significantly different aged, because I know Red Rock is, like, a really cool venue, and, like, I've seen, you know, I've seen enough video of it to know how interesting it is. And I just like to go somewhere for four or five hours to do anything with a bunch of people. I'm like, I wouldn't want to do that. And I don't know if that's personality or age, that's what I can't figure out. Because I love that. You love it. I think it's awesome for anybody that does. But like, it's not, it's so not my vibe that it's hard for me to, like, wrap my head around that you'd want to go to a music festival. I know that sounds crazy.

Ashlyn 26:14
I'm so zero or 100 that I do maybe one or two of these a year and half the time. The other half of my life is just I am

Scott Benner 26:22
so I gotcha. Okay, that's interesting. See, that's an interesting stretch for you. Then what do you think it is about that setting that allows you to break free of how you normally feel, to go do it like, what is it that draws you to

Ashlyn 26:34
it? I like, for me, I'm somebody who like, I'm very drained by socializing, very drained by people. So it has to be an experience that is adrenaline or, like, I, I'm somebody who's zero or 100 for most things in my life. So this is a 100 moment, and after that, I'm going to go home and not talk to somebody for like, a month. Or anyone.

Scott Benner 26:56
Are you getting, like, an an energy in and out thing? Like, is being around the people draining you, but the but the event is so high energy that it's you're not losing. Does that make sense? I just

Ashlyn 27:07
really love music. Like, even if I'm home, working, cleaning, doing anything, I have headphones on, I'm listening to music almost constantly. So just seeing music live is something I've always really enjoyed, even like when I was younger, and going to concerts with my parents and stuff like that. It just, I've always really liked it, and then I got into festivals and stuff like that, and now I go for work and stuff. And it just, it's been a part of my adult life. I think the first festival that I went to, it was like, the week after I turned 18. What kind

Scott Benner 27:40
of concerts did your parents take you to when you to when you're young? My

Ashlyn 27:44
first ever concert was Linkin Park in 2012

Scott Benner 27:50
are your parents the way I picture them? Does your dad have a small goatee and a motorcycle and your mom? Or do they not fit a mold?

Ashlyn 27:57
I don't think my family fits a mold.

Scott Benner 28:01
I mean, Lincoln Park said that's a hell of a first concert.

Ashlyn 28:04
Yeah, it was great. I loved it. And I'm honestly now, with everything that's transpired, I'm so glad I got to go before. You know, people

Scott Benner 28:13
pass away. Yeah, how? How old were you? Then you remember,

Ashlyn 28:19
what? 20? Maybe I it had to be anywhere between 12 to 14.

Scott Benner 28:24
Okay, all right, did their music taste shape yours? I

Ashlyn 28:29
think so. I my dad was really into Lincoln Park, and he's a big like rock, classic rock, like we did Linkin Park. And then that same year, we saw Blues Traveler at Red Rocks.

Scott Benner 28:40
So that sounds like a good concert, actually.

Ashlyn 28:43
Yeah, they do like a fourth of July thing, like almost every

Scott Benner 28:47
year. Okay, see that. I think that I might enjoy. No, it was

Ashlyn 28:51
nice. I mean, that was a little bit more laid back. It was during the day. I love day parties. I really wish that every party was a day party, because I hate being out late.

Scott Benner 29:01
You're like, I like all this excitement, but Why so late?

Ashlyn 29:05
For real, I my energy peaks at like, 2pm and then they're like, oh, this goes until 2am and I'm like,

Scott Benner 29:12
Ashland, like, I'd like to have this concert, have a nice meal around five, and I want to be in my jammies by 730

Ashlyn 29:18
Yeah, I see the like, the day raves for like, kids, and I'm like, I'll go,

Scott Benner 29:23
do you think you'll ever have kids? No, no, why

Ashlyn 29:27
not? I don't see that for me. Honestly, I don't I think that it, it just, it's never been something where I'm like, Yeah, I really want to do that. And I think that for that, I think you have to be one of those. I really want to do that kind of people.

Scott Benner 29:42
Oh no, for sure. But I was just wondering, like, you don't have any desire to take your like, eight year old to dead mouse one day or something like that.

Ashlyn 29:49
I actually have a half sister who is six so But nope,

Scott Benner 29:55
you'll just take it on her. I got you. Well, I will tell you that the best. Live performance of music that I've ever seen in my life, like meaning that I felt like I was listening to the record, even though they were playing it live. In front of me was Guns and Roses, like they did, like an exceptional concert when I was younger, I've seen Metallica do a good job of representing the music on stage, heart and black crows. I really remember going, well, Black Rose was really good. When I got a little, like, older, my wife liked different music, so we ended up at a lot of more, like festival seating stuff to see, like Sting and things like that. Like, more like ballet stuff. He was really good. I like, 100 years old now, I don't know if he can

Ashlyn 30:36
still do it or not. My parents would have loved to go to a sting concert. Yeah,

Scott Benner 30:40
no, it was really mellow and and just like, like, grass seeding and stuff. I know I said I don't like this stuff, and now I'm telling you all the concerts I've been to, but I think it's me as an older person. I'm like, Oh, I don't know. Could sting come to my house. Like, I guess that'd be okay. I don't want to go out anymore. It's been very interesting to grow up with musicians that were so super famous, that are still super famous, and it makes me wonder if more modern music will I don't think I'll live long enough to know like to stand the test of time. Do you know what I mean? Like, like, 85 year old may be like, Oh my God, this dochi is still on the radio. This is crazy.

Ashlyn 31:15
I thought about this, and I don't think that's going to be the case. I think that the internet in the pace that media moves now is so fast. I don't know if you saw but do she has already been, like, having issues like, I don't think, yeah, their video just came out this week of her like, screaming at like her assistant or something before some like event.

Scott Benner 31:39
No one needs to yell on their video cameras. It's not a good idea. Everybody. You don't think the Beatles yelled at somebody. Nobody was filming it. You understand? But I take your point like my kids listen to The Beatles still. Do you know what I mean? It's not because I pushed the Beatles on them. I didn't like my parents didn't like the Beatles. What do you think of that? Like I grew up, my parents thought the Beatles were too like crazy. So I find them in my 20s, my kids, you know, listen to it now. I got in the car the other day and I and Arden is bouncing around on the radio, and she puts Vienna on from Billy Joel, Yeah, but

Ashlyn 32:13
see, I have Vienna on a playlist. I think that because of the way the internet is and especially through like music streaming, like you can find whatever artist so quickly, and it's not like it used to be, like you

Scott Benner 32:26
can, yeah, there's too much, and it's, oh my god, ready, Ashley, this is great because I won't sound like an old man, because you're in your 20s. There's too much and it's too fast. You don't have time to marinate in it and really appreciate it, and you don't have to go to Tower Records on a Friday night and pick through 10,000 CDs to find one that you're gonna take home and try. And by the way, spend your only $20 that week on hoping you're gonna like this damn CD. Like, right? Like, because you don't get to try it first. You don't get to hear it on the internet. You heard one song on the radio, you think maybe the rest of this will be good now that you paid for it. You don't just listen to it once ago. You listen to it a number of times because you're like, Well, I like, let me make sure, you know and you know what I'm saying. Like, sometimes it takes a few times through a song before it really hits you. And you're like, This is awesome well, and I think that's

Ashlyn 33:15
also why we're not seeing, like, albums being released, that you can sit down and listen to the first song all the way through the last song, and it's like a continual album straight through. Feels like there's just now artists release a bunch of different singles, unless it's like something that's purposeful. But I was about to say, like you said the thing about the records, and my brain went to Limewire,

Scott Benner 33:38
yeah, right, because you were downloading music that way, yeah,

Ashlyn 33:42
yeah. And then you'd have to go and be like, Okay, I want this specific song. And it was very, like, purposeful, like, I use a software now, because I track what I listen to, and it tells me that, on average, I listen to 90 different artists a week or something. And I just don't think that people consumed media or music in that way previously. Yeah,

Scott Benner 34:04
no, yeah. You're not gonna get to that, right? Like, it's gonna be three or four. In the past, it was three or four things that you listen to. Also, sometimes you just put a CD in your CD player, and you didn't have the energy to take it back out again. So you're just like, All right, well, I guess I'll listen to this now. Or, I mean, like, if you were really fancy, you'd have, like, a five CD changer. Have you ever seen those? Yeah,

Ashlyn 34:23
where it would be like, push one and then the disc would like, move, yeah. You're like,

Scott Benner 34:27
Yeah. That sounds like it's out of a movie to you, but like, I had one of those. And so you'd throw five in, and you'd hit shuffle, and it would like, spin them around and, you know, pop them in and out and play different tracks.

Ashlyn 34:36
But I also think this is why we saw this resurgence of vinyls for a hot minute,

Scott Benner 34:42
yeah? But even that seems like it's gone now too. No, it is, you don't, yeah, you know, it's funny. I brought up doji because I, like, she found me through Tiktok. Like, that's, which is crazy. Like, there's one of her tracks is being used on Tiktok. I don't know how I landed on it, but, like, I'm like, oh, that's catchy. And then. And not five seconds later, my son said, Hey, there's this girl, docci, like, some of her rap is good. Like, check it out. But then he came, but this was six months ago, and then he came to me the other day and he said, Oh, my God, she's so captured by making Tiktok music now, like, she's already gotten away from the rap she was making that I found that I liked. So, like, this is not years. This story goes on. This is like, 18 months, two years. And she went from a more what he would consider, like hardcore rapper that he thought was good to, you know, I guess I'll just make tracks at work on Tiktok, because that's where the money is. Somebody gets a video of her, like you're saying, like yelling, and now, like, people will, like, walk away from her. It's that easy to walk away. I swear to you, if Paul McCartney walked out in the street tomorrow and started running people over this car, I'd be like, All right, yeah, but let it be, but I don't have that feeling if I see, if I see was that, oh, that was sexual. I was going to bring up the thing that was, that girl did, God, who am I thinking of? She made her backup dancers do weird stuff. Lizzo. Lizzo, right? That's a great example. Like, Lizzo is super famous. She's got this song, like, blah, blah, blah. Next thing I know, I'm hearing like, like, famous artists talk about Lizzo. Lizzo plays this thing. She's awesome, you don't know. And five seconds later, there's a story about her being weird with backup dancers. And now, boom, she's gone. It's like that fast. It's insane, how fast it happened.

Ashlyn 36:24
It's cancel culture. And part of it, I feel is justified. Part of it I feel is just out of control.

Scott Benner 36:32
Listen, I don't think you should be letting people like act like lunatics. I'm not saying that for certain, but at the same time, like, there's stuff you find out about that you never would have found out about prior, and you would have kept listening to the music and you didn't know. I mean, like, look at like the allegations about Michael Jackson, right? They're insane. No one who grew up with Michael Jackson music is gonna stop listening to Michael Jackson like they're just not that music is burned in you. But I feel

Ashlyn 36:57
like you have to be a certain caliber of artists to have your fans separate the music from you. Like, if your music is that iconic to where it takes on, it's a life of its own right. So be it. But for people who are tick tock rappers and stuff like that, it's just they don't have that star presence, that iconic. You know, where the music stands alone? Yeah,

Scott Benner 37:21
I'm gonna go out on a limb here, like, I'm not excusing anything, but a great example of that, I think, is Kanye West, because, because he has talked to me about, Yeah, but what I mean, just a fall apart breakdown of monumental, like proportions, right? Like, and I think it feels pretty clear that he has, like, some pretty significant mental issues. He's got all the problems he has the world, but some of those songs are awesome and like and like, so now that's the that becomes the new test, like you get in your car. Do you say to yourself, I don't want to be in any way attached to this, this guy and his weird thoughts, or do I say to myself, I do love this song, and I'm gonna put it on like he's really testing that theory. Do you see what I'm saying? Because, by all rights, everyone should just be like, I'm not listening to that. Like, you know, like he's gone too far for me. I don't want to be involved. But will that happen? Is my question, like, is he the Michael Jackson of my time? I think that

Ashlyn 38:26
Kanye is like a really diversive figure, and a lot of people who enjoy him and like, don't come for me, people, the people that like, Yay, are already people who enjoy holding controversial views, and they kind of, from where I stand, they kind of enjoy being a little edgy and cringe like that, like he literally just released a song called Heil Hitler.

Scott Benner 38:50
That's my point. If you're saying you think maybe people want to be attached to controversy, that's that's a different thought than is my head. My head is I hear that and I go, Okay, well, I'm done. I don't I don't need to be involved anymore. Except these six songs are really awesome. Like, so, like, what, like, what does that person do who feels that way?

Ashlyn 39:09
I don't want to dox where I work, but we have, like, we've tried to do, like, work with yay. And it became, like, this big problem. And a lot of the people who like him, I think it's just some people have that cult of personality, and ye is one of those people. And I think that even if he came to your house and lit it on fire, people would be like, yay.

Scott Benner 39:34
That's what he does. It's awesome. I mean, listen, how strange is it that he had that girl walking around naked

Ashlyn 39:40
for a year, oh, Bianca, since sorry or what? I

Scott Benner 39:44
don't even know her name, like, I couldn't be all I know is he's, I don't know if they were married. I don't know if they were just they, I don't know we were married. Okay, I ain't paying attention that close. What I'm saying is he's got that girl naked. And I'm sure some people be like, well, it was her decision. Like, I don't know if it was or it wasn't. I feel like, now. That she's not with him anymore. I don't think I'm gonna see her walking around in a see through dress anymore, but he still doesn't take the hit over that that I imagine that society would give him.

Ashlyn 40:10
There's another name that we could bring up in this conversation, but I won't

Scott Benner 40:14
really. Why not? I mean,

Ashlyn 40:17
look at Trump. It's the same cult of personality. Okay, I see what

Scott Benner 40:23
you're saying. Like, you don't want to be political. Like, right? But, like, yeah, I will tell you that I sat yesterday with a friend, and the two of us have fairly different political views, and they asked me about that, and all I said was funny, because what I said I think fits with I'll just talk about it. Like, specifically, the Kanye is an example. I'm all for people like stretching boundaries and personal freedom and saying, and, you know, saying what you want. I really am 1,000,000% for that. But there is, like, a part of me inside that, like, sometimes when the boundary gets stretched in a certain way. I think, I don't think that's good for society. I want people to speak their mind, and I want people and I think there's freedom of speech, and I don't think it should be restricted. Like I am really, like, an absolutist on, like, freedom of speech. I just think, like, some people are gonna say, crazy, it's their right, you know, people should fight back by saying, you know, opposite stuff, or calling them out on their bull like, that kind of stuff. But every once in a while I don't understand that people don't say, like, Oh, that is going to take us somewhere that's not good. And I know, like, who am I to say? Like, I'm not obviously, I'm not trying to control people, but that's my personal feeling. Like, Jesus is this taking us somewhere that we can't come back from, that's not going to be a negative for humanity. Like, that's the thing I

Ashlyn 41:47
wonder. I mean, that would require people to do things while thinking critically.

Scott Benner 41:52
Yeah, I don't know. Like, that's the kind of stuff that occurs to me all the time. I think

Ashlyn 41:55
that this is more a conversation about people glorifying people who have, like, dark I don't know if you know what dark triad traits are, like narcissism, Machiavellianism, as a society, we kind of glorify those things. And I think that this is just a symptom of that issue. We glorify people who are dog eat dog. We glorify people who, you know, profit at any expense, and we don't prioritize people who value community, and like you said, things that will benefit society long term.

Scott Benner 42:29
Am I hearing you tell me that there are some people who put on a Kanye song and just go, This beat is crazy. I love this beat. This is musical to me. I like it. And there are some people listening to the words going, Yeah, that's right. Like, let's get those people or do this thing, or whatever, like, so maybe people are listening to music in two different ways. Oh, 100%

Ashlyn 42:51
I mean, people are listening to music in a million different ways. Some people are lyrical. Some people it's the beat. I mean, some people it's both. And I do think that there are, as far as probably yay fans, people who have been listening to him for years and years and years, and they're like, oh my god, like, he's just a genius in the way that he structures lyrics and the way that he structures his beats. And then there are, are the people who are like, I want to listen to this person because they're being divisive and hateful.

Scott Benner 43:20
No, yeah, no, I it's funny. I never think. I don't think of things that way. So it doesn't occur to me like that. So that's a really interesting perspective. I don't even know the words to some of my favorite songs. I've tried to explain this, my family laughs at me. And it turns out this is a thing that actually happens to people. I don't hear the words like words. I hear the words like music. I don't know if that makes sense. So, like, I can,

Ashlyn 43:42
I think I listen to music similarly, I take, I view it as, like, the whole picture. You know what I'm saying? Like, I view it holistically. Like, what is the entire song? And a lot of people, especially people who enjoy, like, rap or something like that, they're like, Oh, these specific bars, or I really like this beat, and I don't pick it apart. I either like the whole thing or I'm not

Scott Benner 44:04
listening right? So to go back to the doji thing, there's one of her songs that I think is really great. And I played it the other day in my car, and Arden was with me, and she goes, Are you listening to what she's saying? And I was like, no. She goes, maybe you should try listening to what she's saying. And I was like, oh, okay, there was some fairly, like, vivid imagery in that song I was completely unaware of, because I just like the way it bounced,

Ashlyn 44:28
if that makes sense, I think I might know the song you're talking

Scott Benner 44:31
about, Nissan, Altima, yeah, and I swear to you, like I didn't know one thing she was saying in that song, but I thought it was good, You know, if I listen to let it be, what I hear is a lot of things happen in the world. You can't change everything. Some things you have to just leave alone, let them play out. Like, that's how let it be seems to me, and I don't even know if that's what McCartney meant when he wrote it, but like, that's how it makes me feel. It makes me feel like the. World is what it is, and people are generally good, and you don't need to pick through everything sometimes, just let it be.

Ashlyn 45:08
But this is why there's music for different moods. Like the Beatles are a little bit more contemplative, a little bit more, you know, laid back. You're not going to play doji in the same

Scott Benner 45:18
game space.

Ashlyn 45:19
Yeah, yeah. So I kind of view music as a way to bolster different emotions, and I think that she does a good job at that, actually.

Scott Benner 45:28
So then, does the kind of festival or kind of concert you're at dictate how you have to manage your diabetes?

Ashlyn 45:35
Oh, yeah. I mean, because I'm not dancing as hard if I don't want to, like, for example, I go, there's like, a bigger rap, hip hop festival that I go to every year for for work. And I'm not the biggest rap or hip hop person. Doji didn't go. So I'm not dancing as much. Rap is not as danceable to me, and I'm mainly trying to avoid mosh pits or getting punched in

Scott Benner 46:00
the face, yeah, so, so I'm assuming, right, there's like, physical activity at some of these there's less physical activity. Others, there's adrenaline, probably from your excitement, from finding a band that you like. And there's also can be adrenaline from you being like, please don't shove me over. Do you see yourself changing your management at these things, or do you just use a regular day management.

Ashlyn 46:21
So I have experimented a lot, and I much as I love tandem exercise mode, I've never once been able to use that successfully for anything, any kind of exercise. It drives me nuts. I don't really mess with my basal as far as like the day before, and if I was, if I was MDI, I probably would my strategy and like, everyone's mileage may vary. I like, gorge myself like a snake every event. I try to limit like IO B so the last one I went to by myself. I went to, like, I don't know if you know about, like, the smart buns. They're like, these almond flour like burger buns. And I love them. I buy them so much. And I went to McDonald's and I bought like, two Big Macs. And I think I just I sat there and I ate like, two Big Macs, like the almond flour bun right before I went because the fats and proteins are really going to be crucial,

Scott Benner 47:24
and they hold you up during the event. Oh,

Ashlyn 47:27
yeah, two Big Macs is, like, what, like, 500 calories of fats and proteins, and you're not gonna, you know, dip as easily from movement or dance, right? Yeah,

Scott Benner 47:37
that's smart. Like, so, yeah. So you figured out a way to go to those thick I just interviewed a football player, and he explained to me how he eats before he plays in a professional football game. You're basically doing the same thing. Oh,

Ashlyn 47:47
yeah, you want for me, fats and proteins make my blood sugar more stubborn, right? I'm not gonna have a sudden drop. And even if I do, I have, you know, I carry like, at least, like, 10 rolls of Smarties, like, tucked into every nook and Penny of you know what I'm packing, or I usually bring, like, a full sugar Gatorade and just sip that throughout the night. So you're

Scott Benner 48:13
not driving your blood sugar high. You're just putting your body in a situation where it's processing food that takes longer to process and holds your blood sugar up more stably.

Ashlyn 48:21
No, I went to EDC Orlando last year, and my blood sugar was between like 130 and 119 the whole time. Yeah,

Scott Benner 48:28
that's awesome. Yeah. No. How long did it take you to figure that out? Do you think

Ashlyn 48:32
I don't think I really sat down and figured it out until 2022 I went to a music festival in Miami called three points, and I went by myself, and I was really nervous to go by myself, because diabetes just logistically, yeah, diabetes logistically, getting in and out of Wynwood by yourself is a nightmare.

Scott Benner 48:55
Am I hearing you right or wrong? Tell me going by yourself. Is that part of being a girl. No, no, because I hear my daughter talk about that sometimes, again, I never know exactly like, like, there are some places like you kind of don't want to go by yourself. Sometimes, oh

Ashlyn 49:10
yes, yes. I thought you meant like, so you meant something else.

Scott Benner 49:14
No, not like, Lady time. I meant like, like, physically being a female by yourself somewhere.

Ashlyn 49:18
Oh yeah. I mean that time I went to three points, I had somebody follow me out of the event, and then I had to be like, No, leave me alone. I'm getting an Uber, you know. Like, I've even in clubs, like, I've seen girls get uncomfortable, and I'll be like, Hey, girl. Like, are you you good? Like, you know, try to be like, you're not alone here. Yeah,

Scott Benner 49:39
we can hang out a little bit and again, give you some more numbers, right?

Ashlyn 49:42
Yeah, yeah. I mean, and that's, that's a big thing in a festival culture, too. I Everyone is so nice, like, I've gone up to random people. I didn't just talk to them. And usually, by the end of it, I'm not alone.

Scott Benner 49:55
You bring your own drugs to festivals, or do you get stuff there?

Ashlyn 49:59
Oh, I get. I get the festival provided drug? Yes,

Scott Benner 50:03
no, you know. I mean, do buy that there? Like, because I hear people talking about testing all the

Ashlyn 50:07
time, do not buy your your drugs there. Do not,

Scott Benner 50:10
yeah, come, come prepared,

Ashlyn 50:12
yeah. I mean, they're not gonna be like, there's no free love in that arena. Like, I wouldn't trust anybody, as far as you can throw them.

Scott Benner 50:22
Are there testing stations at all the concerts you go to for your for drugs? I've heard people talk about that too.

Ashlyn 50:27
So there are, and I did talk about this on the previous episode. I remember right there's an organization called Dance safe that does test drugs and stuff like that. I haven't seen them at the last few I've been to, I don't really know,

Scott Benner 50:43
interesting. Maybe the drug problem is fixed.

Ashlyn 50:46
I wish there are test kits you can just order right off of Amazon. I think they're like, anywhere between 12 to $15 which to me, is a very low price to pay,

Scott Benner 50:55
yeah, for not dying of a fentanyl overdose. So you said earlier that you've changed with your diabetes, and it sounds like even with your usage, like, everything's changed for you. Like, how has your diabetes management changed over the last couple of years, since I spoke to you last, when I talked to

Ashlyn 51:13
you last, I was a little bit in a mental breakdown over it. I I have, I've had type one since, like, 2006 2007 somewhere in there. But I didn't really have any like moments that put the fear of God into me until around that time, and I think that it just took me so long to, like, figure everything out, because when I was not really paying attention, I didn't realize how much they had just, like, yanked up my basal to compensate for, like, lack of Bolus insulin, and then just trying to figure all that out on my own. Okay? Was just really demanding emotionally, and it kind of caused me to snap,

Scott Benner 51:51
okay, how did you eventually work through it all? Like, did you where'd you get your information, and what were the reasons you found that you needed to focus on it and get it worked

Ashlyn 52:00
out I couldn't live my life. I mean, I had a moment where I blacked out while driving from a low and the diabetes was coming first, because it was just, if you don't have your basal insulin set right, you can't really

Scott Benner 52:12
live, yeah, I know. And so

Ashlyn 52:14
then going to the flexibility of the pump, where, you know, I wasn't tied to, like, a wrong basal rate for a whole day really gave me a lot of wiggle room to trial and error things. And I'm still trialing and erroring things today. I just got the Moby, like, a month ago, two months ago, and I've had to, like, reprogram my basal rates even for

Scott Benner 52:34
that. Yeah, no, I imagine. And you were coming from which pump prior. I'm sorry. I've only been with tandem. So you were T slim, and even going from T slim to Moby, you had to change your settings. Yeah,

Ashlyn 52:45
my endo warned me that some people were a little bit more sensitive. And I've kind of noticed the opposite. I kind of bumped my basal by 15% and it's been good

Scott Benner 52:54
so far. Okay, awesome. Do you like the algorithm generally, though, how it works is that the new one, the plus,

Ashlyn 52:59
oh, yeah, the control IQ update. Yeah, you did. I love it. I love the update. I didn't think it would change much, but the fact that you can actually set a temp basal with control IQ on is amazing.

Scott Benner 53:13
I think so too. Yeah, I think everyone should let that happen in their algorithm. Actually, I think that's a great idea.

Ashlyn 53:19
Well, I was like the queen of being a little bit too stoned, turning off control like you, and falling asleep and then waking up with like, an urgent load or something, and then just being like, Ah, I didn't turn that back on. So for people like me, the 15 minute timer is, like, amazing.

Scott Benner 53:34
Why did stone dash one turn off her algorithm? Sometimes

Ashlyn 53:38
I don't like, I really wish that tandem would allow you to have a lower, like, target blood sugar, because it'll start suspending my insulin after I dose. Or, like, let's say I eat something, I dose, and then it's like, oh, you're at 110 let's suspend and then that will cause, you know, a high for no reason, because it's like, No, you didn't need to suspend my basal. So you're just

Scott Benner 54:01
trying to get ahead of mistakes you think it's gonna make?

Ashlyn 54:04
Yeah, I I'm really sensitive. I don't use a ton of insulin a day, so I think sometimes it'll it'll want to push my blood sugar up to hit that 120 and I'm like, no, no, I want to stay at 110

Scott Benner 54:17
Okay, yeah, I hear you. Anything they can do to give you, if you want it, some control and allow you to continue to use the algorithm, I think is a good idea. I think people like will grow to know if they don't already know. In this scenario, I need more aggressive or less aggressive, like, you know, and there's no way the algorithm is going to know that it's a great feature. So again, I think everybody should put it into theirs well,

Ashlyn 54:42
and the algorithm isn't going to know that, you know, oh, I've been walking around. I just ate, and now I'm going to go lay down, and I'm not going to need that bent, that basal suspension, like I'm

Scott Benner 54:51
Yeah, or this 40 carbs is Captain Crunch, not regular food, like that kind of an idea. It's not always going to be one to one with your setting. Yes. So, all right, that's awesome. I'm glad you're enjoying it. What else have we not hit that we should have? No,

Ashlyn 55:05
I absolutely love the Moby. Love tandem, like I can't, like they've given me my life back, really?

Scott Benner 55:13
Can I say tandem diabetes.com/juicebox? Support the podcast. Use the link. Thanks. Sorry, just, yeah, just slip that in your job a little easier. Thank you. Yeah, let me just slip that in really quickly. What about like for everything you've shared about concerts and festivals? Like, do you feel like you got through

Ashlyn 55:30
everything? Basically, it all boils down to advocate for yourself. Advocate for yourself in every way possible when it comes to music festivals and stuff like that. The people around you usually are there to help. Like, I have had moments where I've had a low or, like, some random person helps me. The environment there is really welcoming, for the most part, depending on where you are, everyone's there to have fun, you know, except the show people, yeah, except the shovel and they can shove.

Scott Benner 56:02
Have you ever been concerned about somebody like dosing you or giving you something without you knowing?

Ashlyn 56:07
I mean that for the average person, should not be a concern. It has happened to me. It

Scott Benner 56:11
happened to you specifically. I'm sorry to ask, like, what was the scenario? I

Ashlyn 56:18
drank something that I didn't realize had LSD in it. And luckily, it was only a little bit, but that's never a good time. And

Scott Benner 56:25
it wasn't somebody trying to get control of you for like, sexual reasons.

Ashlyn 56:29
No, no, I was at a party, and then it was just kind of like, Oh, that was my drink, and I thought it was your drink. And,

Scott Benner 56:36
you know, yeah, I got you. He picked up the wrong cup. Yeah.

Ashlyn 56:41
Yeah. It was just, it wasn't one. This shouldn't happen to anybody in a normal circumstance. It was my fault. Yeah,

Scott Benner 56:47
I hear you. Okay. I was more worried about, like, you know, have creepy guys try to give you something that doesn't happen. I don't, I don't

Ashlyn 56:53
drink alcohol, like, at all. Okay, so most of the time, if I'm at a party and drinking something, I bring my own diet soda that it comes in a can with my little koozie. I know it's my drink. I'm very weird about that.

Scott Benner 57:06
Yeah, do you ever meet somebody at those events that become friends? Oh,

Ashlyn 57:10
a lot. I have. I I've met, you know, tons of people that I still talk to today. I mean, I have friends all over the world, just because so many people come to these events and you can talk, and it's made like lifelong great friendships. I really think that you can go and talk to anybody for the most part, and yeah, have a friend

Scott Benner 57:30
that's awesome. That really is awesome. Are you, do you date? Or are you, do you find yourself single and go into these things by yourself?

Ashlyn 57:37
I find myself going by myself. I mean, even through work, I get like, a spare ticket, but half the time they like, tell me the day before. So then it's like, nobody has time to go with me. And then I just, I'm like, I just, I'm not gonna look back on this and be like, Oh, I didn't go because I didn't have anyone to go with. I'm not gonna wait for anyone. And that has led to me going to a lot of these things with type one by myself, which was really scary at

Scott Benner 58:02
first. Why do you think you're able to do that? If you talked about yourself as, like, introverted, generally speaking, like, Why do you think you're able to make the leap for these

Ashlyn 58:09
events? My fear of missing out is bigger than my social anxiety.

Scott Benner 58:15
All right? That's awesome. That really is cool. Oh, I love that. Tell me just you know, this is weird. I'm doing this in reverse, but because we didn't, because I've spoken to you before, I try to skip over some things. But how old were you when you're diagnosed nine, nine and you're 27 now? You said, Yep, yeah, okay, any epiphanies? After almost 20 years,

Ashlyn 58:37
I wouldn't say epiphanies. I'm not that kind of person. For me, I've always just made diabetes decisions on a gut level, and I don't overthink it

Scott Benner 58:46
okay, but you have made adjustments and figured out that there are some things you need to know. Where did those things come from?

Ashlyn 58:53
So I feel like I probably in, like the I'm in the the camp of, I want to think about diabetes the least amount of time possible throughout my life. And I know everybody's in that camp, but I'm pretty low carb. I try to just not I really want diabetes to be the back burner of my life, and eating low carb just allows me to set it and forget it in a way, okay? And that's obviously not for everybody. It's just the way that I want to live my life.

Scott Benner 59:22
I gotcha. So you made an adjustment to how you eat. You paid closer attention to your settings, because you were being over basal in the past to make up for bolusing. So you're also paying attention to actually bolusing at this point too,

Ashlyn 59:35
right? I mean, when I first got a pump, my my basal rate was like 28 units a day, and through trial and error, it's really only about 15,

Scott Benner 59:44
okay, and that was because you weren't bolusing for meals correctly. Yeah,

Ashlyn 59:49
my carb ratio was, like, completely wrong, like they were telling me that it was like one to 20. And in reality, through trial and error, again, it's like, actually one to like, eight.

Scott Benner 59:59
Oh, my. On, yeah, how much did your parents help you growing up with your diabetes, don't

Ashlyn 1:00:05
I not sending my mom this link? This is something where, like the podcast, actually made me really emotional. Okay, because when I first joined that Facebook group and everything, I felt really overwhelmed. I didn't. My parents always viewed diabetes as this, like, unattainable goal, and so it really took for me to, like, grow up and kind of be on my own for a while, to realize, no having an A, 1c, in the fives is actually something that's possible. Like, my parents really just were like, who cares? You've got insulin. You know, even now, talking to my my family, I I was visiting my dad, and he was like, Oh, I bought, you know, this fruit, you know, you can eat this fruit. And I was like, oh, you know, I don't want to have a banana. I, you know, I eat low carb. And he was like,

Scott Benner 1:00:49
well, it's fruit. Oh, yeah. He doesn't understand, yeah.

Ashlyn 1:00:53
And so, you know, me and my sister are both type one, and I love my parents. They're not the kind of intellectual people to sit down and say, This is a math problem that we can solve. They just kind of threw up their hands, and they were like, we're at capacity as people are ready. You are alive, and we love that. That's great, and that's all we can give you

Scott Benner 1:01:14
know, I'm not figuring anything out past what was said to me.

Ashlyn 1:01:17
Yeah, they never looked past like the advice that was given, and then it was like, I had to spend so much time on fucking myself, because my parents didn't really advocate for me, didn't really care. And, I mean, even now, my sister, she's also type one. Her a one season, the nines 10s, you know. And then my family, they kind of paint me out to be this, like, type a person that's very, you know, oh, Ashlyn in the food, you know, because I don't eat cart

Scott Benner 1:01:47
so you pay attention a little bit to your health. And they're like, Oh, look at this one. Trying so hard.

Ashlyn 1:01:52
Yeah, this is inconvenient. Oh,

Scott Benner 1:01:55
yeah. Oh No, kidding. All right, I'm figuring out what you're saying. That's a shame. I'm sorry. Like, did you say, like, don't let me put words in your mouth. But did you say the podcast helped you with that?

Ashlyn 1:02:04
Well, it made me feel really emotional. Because, you know, every day, there's so many posts from parents that are like, asking the questions that I wouldn't have even thought to ask until relatively recently, and it's just the relationship that I had with type one was so it felt like I was, it was like, learned

Scott Benner 1:02:23
helplessness, yeah, and so emotional. Like, wow, this is great. I didn't know this existed. I'm gonna help myself. Or, Wow, how come my parents didn't do this for me? Or a little of both.

Ashlyn 1:02:39
I think both come in waves, like I do kind of feel jealous, because it's like my relationship with myself, my relationship with food, my relationship with diabetes itself. I had to really carve that out as an adult, and it really broke me to the point where I I've never felt like that before, and so to realize that some people's parents literally care to the point of this level, to where they're sending their kids off to college, and they're still monitoring their Dexcom, and they're still and it's a double edged sword, because sometimes I do see people on there and I'm like, Whoa, you got to chill out. Your kid is not going to live in a bubble.

Scott Benner 1:03:18
I feel you and like some people go too far, but at least they're well intended Exactly.

Ashlyn 1:03:24
And it's like that's a kind of love for your kid that I just I don't think I experienced that even secondhand, until recently, Ashley, you

Scott Benner 1:03:35
almost made me cry. I'm sorry. No, it took me by surprise. I think because of your just kind of, like, laid back hippie nature, you know what I mean? Like, I didn't expect you to like, I don't know why I didn't expect that, but I'm sorry that that happened to you, and I'm

Ashlyn 1:03:50
sure, no, I just I didn't know. Like, you don't know there's another way, until you see it for

Scott Benner 1:03:55
yourself. Yeah, no. And people don't

Ashlyn 1:03:59
realize, especially, I think, for teens, how much like, the ups and downs of blood sugars, cause, like, emotional, like, I feel so much more stable as a human being mentally, and there's no price

Scott Benner 1:04:11
on that. Yeah, no, I agree. And you do, you try to get through to your sister and it doesn't work, or is it not a thing? You approach her about

Ashlyn 1:04:17
my sister is a very interesting human being, and she's going to be the way that she is until she dies. I love her. I sit down with her, and I always tell her, if you ever want to, you know, sit down and talk about this. I'd love to, but she's just not at a point where she's willing to do that. And I honestly think it might be too late for her, and I'm not saying that in like, a morbid way, but she already has, like, gastroparesis. She's at the point now with like, she has like mobility issues in her fingers and hands, like she can't close her fist completely from like nerve damage. How old is she? She's 21

Scott Benner 1:04:53
oh my gosh. And you feel like it's just bad direction. And then a little bit of that. Like vibe from your parents that she has that, that like, I got the sugars, and this is what happens, and there's nothing I can do about it.

Ashlyn 1:05:06
Oh no, she she cannot take accountability for her life in any capacity. And it's not just the diabetes, it's it's more than you would ever believe. But you know, it's just that I refuse to go through life feeling like the things that happen to me are outside of my control. And I think that's really the difference.

Scott Benner 1:05:24
Has your sister done psychedelics or no? Yes, she has. So she didn't get the same come to Jesus stuff that you got?

Ashlyn 1:05:30
No. But we're really, like, fundamentally different people. And I think even for her, like, there's a different motivation for taking these kinds of things, and there's not as much introspection, or even want to have introspection, you have to want, or at least like, be able to think critically and like my sister, she's not somebody who's well educated. I love her to pieces, but she dropped out in the ninth grade. She does not have a GED. She is just raw, dogging life in a way that I could never

Scott Benner 1:06:03
I see. I was gonna, actually, it's funny, that's what you said next, because I was gonna say, does she have a gap somewhere that she can't kind of do all this? And you think that might be it.

Ashlyn 1:06:12
No, she's just not somebody who this is what's valuable to her. Because if it's valuable to her, she'll chase she'll do what she needs to do. But I think in a lot of ways, this is a form of self harm.

Scott Benner 1:06:24
Oh, I see you think she's punishing herself. She

Ashlyn 1:06:27
has a lot going on, like as a person, and I think that she's not somebody who has a good relationship with themselves, and that doesn't mean that can't change, but I think that with the path that she's gone down as a person like she's got a lot going on, and I just think that this is her journey. I'm

Scott Benner 1:06:49
going to say something I have no basis for at all. Do you take after your dad and she takes after your mom?

Ashlyn 1:06:55
Yes. Oh, okay, that's all. Why? What made you go to that conclusion? Oh,

Scott Benner 1:07:00
Ashlyn, are you gonna make me say how my brain works out loud? I don't know if that's important, is it? I don't want to get in trouble. Okay, fair Fair enough. Oh, I don't even know, Ashland, you come off more like a guy that's fair, like a little laid back, like it's gonna work out, man, don't worry about it. Like, that kind of a thing. And then when you started talking about the punishing herself, and she's the way she is, and she's not going to change, like that doesn't seem particularly female to me, but it does seem like I've known a number of people like that, and so far, they've all been ladies. And I also thought that if you're if you went one way and she went another way that you guys must be taking after a parent like one of the other. And I'm trying to imagine what relationship rifts could have happened between your sister and your mom for her to treat herself that way, and I didn't

Ashlyn 1:07:55
feel they have a very like codependent relationship, and it's something that is impacting the whole family. Part of the reason I live so far away is just to kind of have some breathing room with this kind of stuff. I mean,

Scott Benner 1:08:07
yeah, also, your dad tried to help you eat, and even though he was, like, ill, like, his intentions were good with the banana, right? But like, even though he didn't understand it, I have your parents in my head as your dad being the guy who likes Lincoln Park and hanging out and being cool, and he wants to help, but he doesn't know a lot, and he's doing his best, and maybe your mom is a little overbearing and half a teaspoon of crazy. Maybe

Ashlyn 1:08:32
that's a pretty good assumption. It's pretty good. 75% there. They're both crazy. I'm not gonna say better than the other. They're just people, yeah, but no, I had a very divided family growing up, and I think I'm just glad that I am somebody who can function and live and appreciate the days.

Scott Benner 1:08:56
Isn't it crazy that that's the level of success that you got put in, like, you got put into a situation that that description is a level of success to you. I'm grateful to be a person that can function. That really is telling, like, I don't know what we're supposed to do as a society to help people who aren't equipped well to be good parents. But, man, I wish we could try something, because, you know, I just listened to my own podcast this morning. Kind of don't like the way the ads are landing, and I'm listening to it a lot to figure out where I want to put them differently so that they don't break up your listening experience. Like this is literally what I'm trying to do. I was listening to one called, What the hell is it? Called the mom was awesome. Hold on hold on hold on a second. Because, like, people will try to go back, and then they won't be able to find it.

Ashlyn 1:09:45
Yeah, just to, just to give a little bit more context, you do that, I love my sister, but she is currently, like, facing, like, possibly 10 years in federal prison as a type one.

Scott Benner 1:09:56
She's at 21 who'd she shoot? To sell. What she sell? She sold something

Ashlyn 1:10:03
I don't really know. And honestly, I've told her, tell me the least amount of shit possible. Leave me out of this. Well, yeah, leave me out of this. Don't, don't bring up my name.

Scott Benner 1:10:15
Oh, well, she's Listen, I've interviewed people in prison, like, actually, I just interviewed a guy last week who was a little out of control and prison pulled him together. Like, believe it or not, like, and I've also interviewed people who told stories of, like, other people dying in prison because of, like, their problems and having type one diabetes and not being able to get care. Like, it is not a safe place to be, generally speaking, if you don't know how to manage your type one and don't get put into a place that understands and is willing to help you,

Ashlyn 1:10:44
no, and you know, for me, I've done some digging into resources and stuff like that for people who are incarcerated with type one, just out of fear for her. And it kind of seems like it really depends on the individual facility you end up in, and that's kind of the luck of the

Scott Benner 1:11:00
draw. Yeah, no kidding, that's been my finding talking to people as well. It's hard for me to get people on to talk about being in prison. I've had people set up like I get a couple that come in and talk about it, but I've had far more that have set their recordings up and then not done it for a number of reasons. Some of them are for parole reasons. They don't want to admit anything out loud because they're still on parole, so it's hard to get people to share those stories anyway. I'm sorry. Episode 1521 is called fueled by anxiety. That's an hour of just listening to a lady who wants to be a mom, and the it occurs to me, like you could have got her and you didn't, you know what I mean. And I wonder like and I not just not to use specifically, but for everybody, you don't even have to be the greatest mom or dad in the world, right to like really impact your kids. Well, it's not that hard to support people, I don't think, but you really do need to want to do it, or know that it needs to be done. And I think a lot of people don't have that knowledge when they make a baby, and I know it just made me sad, like you made me sad twice. I know you don't mean to like, but just what you said, just now, like that, this is like success to you. Like this should be expected. You shouldn't have to like, aspire to what you just said. It should just be a thing that's, you know, comes at birth, I think, but I know that's not the case.

Ashlyn 1:12:17
No, it really isn't. And half of that is my upbringing, and half of that is looking around at the state of the world, just the fact that, you know, I can support myself think critically, and even the stuff with education being defunded and stuff like that, makes me feel this way. So I'll

Scott Benner 1:12:34
say this Ashton, because I've been alive a lot longer than you have. I know things seem dire sometimes, and trust me, they seem dire to people in every presidency you know doesn't matter, like what side's holding office and stuff like that. There are things that are happening that seem dire. I told you I talked to a friend of mine yesterday at lunch, if we were playing tennis, everything that she said was completely reasonable, and everything I said was completely reasonable, and what we both found ourselves saying is that we wish there was some entity in the middle that people could exist in, so that they didn't have to attach themselves to a side that, you know, goes crazy and, like, in a direction, because it happens on both sides, right?

Ashlyn 1:13:12
Yeah. But I think that the real problem is like media sense, or what is it called, like, centralizing the media, or, like, sensationalism. There we go.

Scott Benner 1:13:24
Yeah. You know what I ended up telling her at the end was that when I was growing up, they they, like, the people in charge, would use abortion as a thing that kept everybody focused right? Like, so, like, don't look at where we're spending the money. Don't look at what we're doing. Go argue with each other about abortion, like that. That's what kind of got I felt like was being pumped into us, like, like, it's not a thing that's trivial. And there are clear opinions on both sides. They both make good arguments. And we'll go send society out to argue with themselves about that, right? That'll keep them off of paying attention to what a missile costs or etc. By the way, I also want missiles, but I'm just saying like, you know, like, that kind of an idea.

Ashlyn 1:14:08
It's the same song and dance. It's just like, different words instead of abortion. It's trans, trans people, and it's distracting us from the 1% versus the 99

Scott Benner 1:14:19
it's another distraction method. Like, you're, you're 100% right? It's either like, like you said, they just pick something. You pick something that both people have good points about, and that makes people upset, and then you just send them off into arguing about it. And then, you know, as the election comes up, you go to your your base, and you say, don't forget, this is what we think. And they're trying to ruin it, and then they do it to you, and they do it through the other side, and you all go, and then everybody votes, that's what this is. And in the end, I don't know that anything oddly different happens from one to the next. It's funny, because during that conversation, this person said to me, there were a lot of illegal aliens that came. Him into the country under Joe Biden, which I believe is true, like I'm not, I'm not arguing with her. And she went on to make the point that, you know, it was her idea, that she thought that if Democrats let in a bunch of illegal aliens, that they would become, eventually, Democratic supporters. And it was funny, because I was watching her make this argument. And I thought I buy into this, but does she know that I heard about this when I was little, when Ronald Reagan did it. I don't

Ashlyn 1:15:27
understand this argument as somebody who, again, like I grew up in Miami, I am still hearing go on down there about ICE raids and stuff like that. If it's between them coming here and becoming a Democrat versus them living in a potentially like, hellscape environment where they're not able to thrive. I really see the problem with that.

Scott Benner 1:15:50
Yeah, like, so beyond the like, the human side of that argument, what I'm saying is, is that every administration does that. It doesn't matter if it's Republican or Democrat. I do think that, like there needs to be, that's

Ashlyn 1:16:03
just, you have to create a call to action, and it always boils down to us versus them, you know, types of messaging. Yeah,

Scott Benner 1:16:11
I think my opinion is, is that the tactics are the same, and both sides use them, but when you're in power, you point to the other one to say how bad they are for doing it, and when they're in power, they point to you to say how bad you are for doing it,

Ashlyn 1:16:25
yeah. But I think that again, if you just zoom out of what you just said, that's the whole problem and the solution. There needs to be more than two people to point a finger. Yeah, right,

Scott Benner 1:16:35
right. Yeah. It would be nice if there was a third party, but that wouldn't help what they're trying to accomplish. So that's not going to happen. And I don't mean this in, like, a, I don't know, like, I'm not crazy, right? Like, I just think that this is what I think people in power do this in all sorts of situations, right? They they want to keep you focused on the thing. They want you to stay on their side, because they need to vote, or, you know, support, or whatever. And you know they're going to use what they know makes you the most upset, and that what makes you unable to even consider the other side's point of view, like they have to say something to you to stop you from even considering the other side. And I think, you know, going backwards to abortion, it's a great example of that, because, yeah, people should have autonomy over their bodies. I 100% believe that. And at the same time, if you don't think having an abortion is killing something, you're not being honest either. Like, so, like, like, so one person just plants their flag in the idea of, like, you can't have an abortion because you're killing a baby, and the other person plants their flag. And, you know, I there's personal freedom, and I should be in control of my body. Those are two honest statements, but nobody is willing to talk to the other person on the other side because.

Ashlyn 1:17:46
But my problem with this is that you but you're right, both sides of this are completely correct. Where I draw the line is where you start telling other people what they can and cannot do with their body. If you don't want to get an abortion, you don't want to live your life a certain way, then

Scott Benner 1:18:03
don't and Ashlyn, there it is that makes you liberal, or it makes you a Democrat, or whatever you want to like say, that's your line. The other person's line is you're killing a baby. So that's their line.

Ashlyn 1:18:14
But then what happened to the America is the land of the freedom, like freedom is for everyone, even if you don't agree with it. Do you

Scott Benner 1:18:20
want me to argue the other side? What about the freedom? The freedom for the baby? It's a clump of cells that you found your line. That's all. That's my point. Like I'm not disagreeing or agreeing with you, I'm saying that's your line, and the other side has their line, and they are so opposite that there it doesn't allow for

Ashlyn 1:18:38
convert. It's just we've forgotten about nuance?

Scott Benner 1:18:41
Yeah, well, actually, the truth is, is that this is already a worked out thing, right? Like, people who are pro choice have abortions if they want them, and people are pro life don't. And that's, that's the fix. The fix is, is that you're never going to tell somebody. There's never going to be a rule that everybody has to follow on anything like that's never going to happen. So you've made your arguments. Everybody knows what the what game you're playing now make your decision about which game you want to play, like, what, what field do you want to play on, and then go play your game. That's how society works. Most people, when you talk about most people are in the middle on abortion. Most people are in the middle. They go and do the thing that seems right to them. It's the argument that keeps going that is really just meant to fuel your fire. So this all keeps going. Because how could we have an election if everybody realized we agreed with each other on most things, most times like, then where do you get all the angst? Then, you know, like, it wouldn't even matter, like, who would even come out to vote? Like, hey, we all under agree. Whichever guy really wants it. Like, let him have it. Like, they'll go do the thing we all think. And meanwhile, those people don't get to run for anything because they lack the ability to make people upset, to motivate them to go. Out and do a thing. It's our fault as humans for needing to be upset to be in action. But

Ashlyn 1:20:08
this is this goes back to what we were saying before, about yay, the cult of person.

Scott Benner 1:20:13
In the end, it is what it is, right? So anyway, I don't know what that's got to do with going to a music festival, although I bet you, if you're on psychedelics in a music festival. You wouldn't give a shit about any of this, and that would be awesome. So yeah, anyway, if you're looking for my political stance, which I wish, I don't think I gave here one way or the other, I wish there was a third party in the middle that wasn't busy arguing about all this stuff. Was just talking about paying bills and filling potholes and stuff like that. But as long as I've been alive, that hasn't really worked out, and I don't imagine it's going to, as long as the game really is about fighting and not about fixing. So and you can take this and apply it to almost any argument you see in a Facebook group about diabetes or anything else. It's all the same. We just like to fight. We're good at it. I think it's how we're wired, honestly. So I don't know. Good luck everybody. And Ashley, it's interesting to talk about it with you, because you're half my age and you're not crazy. So I appreciate that too. So because there are plenty of people who say things like you and I talked about this right before we started recording, right? There are plenty of people who will say, like, this is right, do it. And somebody will say, well, like, I can't get that done. And they'll say, it doesn't matter, it's right. That's like arguing with a 12 year old. And you're not like that, which is awesome, because you have your opinions, and they lean in one direction, but you're not saying, Well, you know, I don't care what the other what everyone else thinks. I don't care what everybody else wants. Like, you're saying like, you know, like, there's got to be conversation in here to try to figure it out. And then we identify your line on a subject, and we know where you stand. And then, you know, people can keep talking about it. But if you heard any of this and you're mad right now for either side, like, you know you should be pro choice or pro life, or you should be like You're not listening to what I'm saying, like I'm not arguing for either side of that. I told you what I think. I think people should have choice, and I think abortion is killing something. Those are two very uncomfortable statements that don't jive with each other at all, but I don't think you can ignore them. They're true. So like, if you want to sit and argue, then go plant your flag and argue. And you can go do that the rest of your life. But if you want to have an actual conversation that leads to something, then you gotta, you've got to admit that both sides are true. You got to admit Joe Biden led a lot of illegal aliens into the country. He really did. It probably wasn't good. And now you're going to get an overreaction from the other side. And then that pendulum that we all just want to settle in the middle is just going to swing far right and swing far left, and it's going to keep doing that. And then you know what's going to happen is, you know, a bunch of stuff over reactionary stuff is going to happen this time, and then the next time it'll go back the other way, and those people be like, Ooh, it's a measuring contest. I'm in charge. Now wait, you see what I push through. And then they're going to say something insane, and then that insane thing is going to be the law of the land for four years, or, however, eight years. And then during that time, everybody on the other side is going to get super mad, and it's going to swing back the other way. What we're trying to do, what we should be trying to do is stop that pendulum from swinging all over the place, because it would be nice if it just sat in the middle, where most of us already agree. But good luck with that. Okay. You were awesome. Hold on one second for me. Thank you very much for doing this. You

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