#1518 Habit Lab: SMART Goals & Identity‑Based Habits
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Scott Benner 0:00
Friends, we're all back together for the next episode of The Juicebox Podcast. Welcome.
Welcome back to part two of our habit building, habit breaking, goal setting extravaganza with Erica Forsythe. If you haven't heard the first episode, go find it right now. And if you want to learn more about Erica, Erica forsythe.com Please don't forget that nothing you hear on the Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice medical or otherwise, always consult a physician before making any changes to your healthcare plan or becoming bold with insulin. AG, one is offering my listeners a free $76 gift. When you sign up, you'll get a welcome kit, a bottle of d3, k2, and five free travel packs in your first box. So make sure you check out drink. AG, one.com/juice box. To get this offer, don't forget to save 40% off of your entire order at cozy earth.com All you have to do is use the offer code Juicebox at checkout. That's Juicebox at checkout to save 40% at cozy earth.com the podcast contains so many different series and collections of information that it can be difficult to find them in your traditional podcast app. Sometimes, that's why they're also collected at Juicebox. Podcast.com, go up to the top, there's a menu right there. Click on series, defining diabetes, bold beginnings, the pro tip. Series, small sips. Omnipod, five ask Scott and Jenny. Mental wellness, fat and protein, defining thyroid, after dark, diabetes, variables, Grand Rounds, cold, wind, pregnancy, type two diabetes, GLP, meds, the math behind diabetes, diabetes myths and so much more, you have to go check it out. It's all there and waiting for you, and it's absolutely free. Juicebox podcast.com This episode is sponsored by the tandem Moby system, which is powered by tandems, newest algorithm control iq plus technology. Tandem mobi has a predictive algorithm that helps prevent highs and lows, and is now available for ages two and up. Learn more and get started today at tandem diabetes.com/juicebox the episode you're about to enjoy was brought to you by Dexcom, the Dexcom g7 the same CGM that my daughter wears. You can learn more and get started today at my link, dexcom.com/juicebox, Erica. We are back to talk about goal setting and building habits. Today we're going to start with, what is this? The SMART framework. What is that? Yes,
Erika Forsyth, MFT, LMFT 2:39
so this is probably one of the most commonly used or identified ways to articulate a goal. The SMART framework basically means, let's say you meet with a therapist, whether it's a physical therapist, or you're going to the gym, you're meeting with a trainer, they might say, Okay, well, let's let's put you. Let's say you you want to lose 50 pounds or you want to get stronger, they'll say, You know what, let's make this really specific. So SMART stands for Specific, Measurable, Achievable, Relevant and time bound. So in this other example, instead of just saying, you know, I want to save money or I want to grow my savings account. The SMART goal would be, I'm gonna save $500 in three months, okay, by cutting dining out to once a week. So it's specific. It's measurable. You have the actual action item that you're gonna be doing and measuring that. It's achievable. You know, you're not saying in one week, you're not saying in five years, it's three months. It's relevant. It's actually something that you can understand and actually do and time bound. Now this is really good in the mental health world. You might use this goal, particularly in evidence based practices. But what you'll find while you're trying to work on achieving these smart goals. And this is what we're going to get into. There are going to be barriers of, why is it so hard to not go out to dinner once a week? What is interfering with that? So this is one framework that I think is important to mention that might be relevant. As you said, I think in the in the first in our first episode, that you are going to achieve your own habits and your own goals in your own way. So we're going to talk about different ways to achieve that. This is just one way that can be helpful for many. Yeah,
Scott Benner 4:30
while you're listening to this conversation, in your mind, replace specific focus on pre bolusing, maybe, and CGM checks measurable track your pre bolusing success rate and a 1c reduction, you know, make an achievable goal of reducing, I don't know, a half a percentage point in three months, and then use three months as a time frame and and keep moving forward like that. Instead of looking at a 10, a 1c and saying to yourself, how am I supposed to get this to a six? That idea? Yes. Yeah. Okay, yeah. Yes. Okay, go ahead, please.
Erika Forsyth, MFT, LMFT 5:01
Yeah. Love that. Yes, I'm going to Pre Bolus. And even, you know, narrowing it down to I'm going to Pre Bolus every meal, I'm going to Pre Bolus just for one meal. Or sometimes that even feels too vague, sometimes we'll say because of various maybe concerns or fears around highs or lows, just start pre bullishing One minute before your meal, then in two minutes, because
Scott Benner 5:25
you'll see an improvement, and then you'll get the correlation between what you did and the improvement. And that might make you try it for two minutes and three minutes and four until you get to the space that works best for you.
Erika Forsyth, MFT, LMFT 5:36
Yes, the achievable part is really important, because if you set a goal that feels scary from the get go, you were not going to do it. I'm not going to do it right. Like it's we need to know, you know what? I think I can try this one minute before I sit down to eat and experiencing that. Like, yes, I did it.
Scott Benner 5:55
Let me ask you professionally, why is that? Why would people say I can't do that. Just not do it. You just said, like, if you, if you, if you set too large of a goal, what it seems insurmountable, and so you quit, or you just don't even try. Does it work in someone's mind?
Erika Forsyth, MFT, LMFT 6:13
It's various factors. It would most likely be from either trauma from the past, right? Oh, I Pre Bolus that time, and I had a terrible low, and I had a seizure or lack or kind of mass experience of doing it one way. And you become comfortable with that way of bolusing when you sit down to eat or bolusing right, as soon as you start to see the arrow go up, even though maybe in your heart and gut and everything you want to change, that you want to feel better, feel healthier, the comfort and attachment to the way you've done it really interferes with the change, and When you resist that, I was reading Carl Young, who says the famous quote, What you resist persists, okay? And so there can be this, like, internal battle within you of like, oh, I this is feels too scary. I just don't know. I don't have, I don't feel comfortable with this. And then that might lead to more shame. Why can't I do this? I can't I then you get stuck, but you resist, persists and leaning into that, like, Okay, wow, this is feeling really scary for me, right? Like, just even pause. And this might feel really silly, but this is part of the work we would do. It's like, gosh, let's lean let's just validate. Like, this feels really scary, and we are going to lean into some compassion and acceptance around that before we start waging war with ourselves in this goal that might seem very simple to some, just say we'll just rebol us five minutes before your meal start there, right? So this lands differently for everyone based on their experiences. So
Scott Benner 7:56
the resistance creates some sort of a an inner conflict with yourself now that's the fight instead of the thing that you were trying to get to. Yes. Really, yes.
Erika Forsyth, MFT, LMFT 8:06
So you can get stuck in your mind just battling it out, like, why can't I do it? Oh, I can't do it. I'm terrible. I'm never gonna be able to do it. I'm a failure. And with that kind of language and mindset, it's really hard to move out of that. Yeah, so that's part of the self awareness. What's
Scott Benner 8:26
that saying? Oh, darn. I laughed a second ago because I'm so interested and amused, and it's a wonderment how, like our brains work. It's so it actually made me think, when you said yes, I thought, I wonder how we'll be 500 years from now. That's what I thought. I'm like, I wonder if we'll get past this. Do you know what I mean, like, are we, like, the amoeba version of humans right now, and like, this will get better? Is this just where we're going to be stuck? And there's that saying energy goes where the where the attention goes, like Energy flows where the attention goes. That's the thing, right? So can you trick yourself into creating. I mean, how would you go about that? Right? Like you need to, you need the the actual thing you want to do be the thing you put your attention towards. Yes,
Erika Forsyth, MFT, LMFT 9:09
let's transition to that good. Good.
Scott Benner 9:13
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Erika Forsyth, MFT, LMFT 11:24
we've all just starting off with the very basics. We've all maybe heard, or maybe you haven't. That's okay, the visualization, you know, the vision boards. And we might think that's really silly or not worthwhile step in this process, and in no way do you have to do that, but I think it's an important part of the process of getting to like we just did in the I think the first episode of You know, why is it Who do you want to become? What is that identity that you are longing to create? And so James clear says, you know, start with the person that you want to become, and who's the type of person who can do this kind of thing I want to do, so that, you know, it's always easy to talk about these things in weight loss. We could also talk about it with, you know, diabetes, of like, I want, okay, I want to lose 40 pounds. That's the goal. That's the outcome, yeah. And the assumption is that when I achieve this goal, then I will be happy, like I'm not happy now, but when I do this, then I'll be happy. And he really encourages us to inverse that process and say, Okay, who's the type of person who can lose 40 pounds? Okay, I'm going to be, I want to be a healthier person. Yeah. So I'm not going to put the goal. I'm not going to put the number or the time frame. I'm not going to focus on that, which might be confusing, because this is a little bit different from what we just talked about with the SMART framework. For some people, that might really work the SMART framework, but for others, putting kind of that 40 pounds or six months, or, you know, when I go on this trip, on the shelf and say, okay, would that person with that with a healthy person miss a workout? Like, what would a healthy person do? So in the diabetes way, you know, you could say, Okay, let's say your goal is, yeah, yeah.
Scott Benner 13:15
I always just use Jenny in my head because, because she's a smart eater, she's an exerciser, a person who follows the schedule. You know what I mean? Like, she doesn't get dissuaded from her goals. I've tried before, like I've said to her before. I'm like, Jenny, what do you do on a car trip? Like you don't pull over to get gas and grab a candy bar. And she goes, No, they'll go, what do you eat? And she goes, I pack something and bring it with me. And I'm like, Oh, you're one of them. You know, she's one of people with low, stable blood sugars. Great time in range. Super freaking healthy. So is it fake it till you make it feels really good. She looks awesome. She's doing great. Is it fake it till you make it? Is that what it is? Or No?
Erika Forsyth, MFT, LMFT 13:55
Okay, no, so no and yes. Okay. James says, Okay, I love this quote. This is one of his most famous quotes. Every action we take is like a vote for the type of person we wish to become. So hat and he says, habits are how you embody the type of person you like to become. So if you're wanting to become a clean, organized person, and you want that to be reflected in your bedroom, make your bed, maybe. And that might feel like a huge task. There's even a book called, I was just looking at this, you know, make your bed, little things that can change your life and maybe the world like so starting off with that, you know, what? What would a clean and organized person do today? Oh, they're gonna make their bed. And then that action is a vote towards becoming that person, identity, becoming that person. And he talks about, you ask, like, is this? Just fake it till you make it? And he, even, he addresses this. You know, it's this mindset of identity based. Is a little bit different from that, because, well, first of all, it's important. It's that can be a good step, because you're telling yourself, like, you can do it right, like maybe you're fearful of speaking in public, you're really nervous, but you're going to tell yourself, I'm a really good public speaker. I can do this. I'm looking out in the audience, and I'm, you know, connecting with this person and making eye contact and feeling comfortable. I'm a great speaker, so you're kind of quote faking it till you make it. That works for only so long, because then you're asking your mind and your body to believe something positive, but you don't have the evidence in the long term. Okay, does that make sense? So it does. He kind of even jokes to say that, like, what you know, when we believe something without facts and without evidence, that that's actually delusions. I think there's an element that that is important and can be a good first step for some but if that's all we're hanging on to, is the fake it till I make it mindset, then that that will prove to not be effective eventually,
Scott Benner 16:02
all right. Well, I just put that book in my Amazon cart. Make your bed, yes. Oh, it's great. I also put my I needed soap, so I did that at the same time. I'm glad this is such, yeah, oh my gosh. Like, Oh my God, I need soap plum here. Ah. Uh,
Erika Forsyth, MFT, LMFT 16:23
well, that's a vote towards being a healthy person, you know, a clean a clean person.
Scott Benner 16:27
That book and that soap will arrive tomorrow, between 4am and 8am
Erika Forsyth, MFT, LMFT 16:32
it's a short book. It's, I have it right here. Oh, you do look at that. It's good, yeah, it's a good book, as you
Scott Benner 16:37
were describing. I was like, that's something I'd like to read myself. I'd like to pass around to my kids. So, yeah, so I can't give it to my wife, because, you know, she's perfect, but I would definitely, I would definitely give it to my children. Yes, just in case people are wondering, I like to use Tom soap in the shower, and it's hard to get.
Erika Forsyth, MFT, LMFT 16:55
I was gonna ask, but I'm like, I don't know if that needs to be. It's the
Scott Benner 16:58
lavender for it. It's lavender, and Shea and I prefer to bathe with it so my skin's sensitive. Otherwise, even with like, dove or something like that, I can get like, anyway, this is neither here nor there.
Erika Forsyth, MFT, LMFT 17:09
Okay, we all know now you have sensitive skin a little bit. I'm
Scott Benner 17:14
a little sensitive. Yeah, I'm sorry. Keep going. I apologize.
Erika Forsyth, MFT, LMFT 17:17
This kind of gets into a little bit of that we've talked in the past of the CBT triangle, which is the cognitive behavioral therapy and that the triangle is that our thoughts affect how we feel, and our feelings affect how we act or behave. And as you're envisioning that triangle again, the arrows go back and forth, right? So our behaviors can affect how we feel our thoughts can affect our behaviors, right? So they're always impacting and affecting one another. So his James hole, one of his main points also is that it's really important to lead with actions. Because if we start, if we say, well, I'll get to it when I feel like it, or if we're really kind of letting our thoughts lead us. You know, I'm a good public speaker, right? The Fake it till you make it mindset. What we really need to do and to create the habit over time is leading with the actions, okay? And that creates the identity formation. So it's going back to, what would this blank person do today? So whatever that long term goal is, right? Like, what would a healthy person do or choose or decide today? So you're
Scott Benner 18:35
not faking it, you're really doing it. You're just looking and you're saying, This is not what I would do today, but this is what a person who has the outcomes I'm hoping to have would do. So I'll do those things, and then through that, you are doing it. I once said on the podcast when I was trying to figure out how to eat better, I just started following healthy people through the grocery store because I thought they might know what to buy, that I don't know what to buy. That's it. That's yeah, yeah. And I actually found that this is gonna sound terrible, but the people who I didn't want to appear like, they ended up in the aisles with the food that I was like, Oh, I shop in this aisle too often, apparently. Like, so I'll leave this aisle go to another one. You know, it's funny, because it is how I have the podcast set up. Is aspirational, and that's what we're talking about, right? Like, just find somebody who's knows how to do the thing you don't know how to do, and copy them until it works out for you. Oh, okay, awesome. Well,
Erika Forsyth, MFT, LMFT 19:32
yes, and I know that, yes, yes. Okay, yes. Well, the grocery the grocery store example is so great because you were actually you had the tangible example in front of you, right? You were, instead of asking yourself, How would a healthy person grocery shop? You actually followed a person and then you and then actively, you are becoming that, yeah, it
Scott Benner 19:50
was like, How do I get that ass? I'll follow that person. Does anyone ever turn around? No, I mean, I'm not following them that closely. No, I just, I just, honestly, I just, I. Followed Healthy People like I was like, what see? What aisles they go into? What do they pick up? What do they look at? Right? Because, you know, I'm always telling people about diabetes like, you know, just because you don't have the tools doesn't mean you don't know how to do it first. You just need the tools. So the tools for me in that scenario were the food. Like, I was like, I don't know what food to grab, like, so I'll watch them. What do they grab. Okay, I'll grab some of that that looks not objectionable to me. Now I have tools in my hand. I'll go home and cook it, and then, you know, there was even part of me that's like, I probably am preparing this incorrectly, because I grew up like a trash person eating, so I don't know how to make this. So I looked online for how to healthy ways to prepare the food, made the food, and it helped me with diabetes. The same thing, like, maybe somebody didn't teach you how to set your basal up, or Pre Bolus, or something that, oh my gosh, that's what's going on. For most of you, you don't have the tools. You still have to be alive. You do the best you can. It doesn't go well. It gets frustrating. You can't even set a goal, because you know what the goal should be, but you have no idea the steps to get there. Okay, I got it. I'm sorry. I'm figuring this out as we go, keeping in mind that we're
Erika Forsyth, MFT, LMFT 21:08
the goals. The goal setting is actually really easy, right? We can all say, Yeah, we want a whatever number, a, 1c, we can all say, I want to be able to lift X amount like, that's really the easy part. It's breaking it down, creating the habits and getting into the systems that we'll get it we'll talk about right on this notion of of identity formation, of who do I want to be, and how is that person going to make a choice today? Just a little thought around Brene Brown, you know, one of my favorites, and that, and when we are pursuing certain habits. If we're choosing those habits that involve how other people perceive us, then that can lead to shame, internal shame much quicker and easier. Okay, right? So, if you're forming a habit to reach a goal, what's about other people and how they think of you or view you. That's like that external like, Oh, that. I'm gonna do this because this is however I want someone to see me in this way, then we are much more easily gonna go down that path of shame.
Scott Benner 22:14
Yeah. Okay, so I don't care what other people think of me, I just know where I wanna get and that's what's important. But
Erika Forsyth, MFT, LMFT 22:20
that's not always the case for everybody, right, right? Yeah. So
Scott Benner 22:23
what happens if that's how I feel? If I go, Oh, I don't if I, if I choose this person's path, and I think this is a path I'd like to follow, but I don't want somebody to mock me for doing it, like, how do you get around that, that
Erika Forsyth, MFT, LMFT 22:37
or I want to reach this goal, because I think other people are going to perceive me differently when I reach this goal. Every time we make a choice or don't complete that habit to get to that goal, we are going to feel shamed. We are going to shame ourselves, right? If, because, like, if the end goal is because I want my doctor to think this of me. I want my community to think this way of me, attaching the goal to how we think other people are going to perceive you when you reach that goal leads to shame, because when you don't take the step towards the habit building to get to the goal, you feel crummy. Okay,
Scott Benner 23:13
see the step, so setting the small goals, taking the steps, that's what's important, yes,
Erika Forsyth, MFT, LMFT 23:19
and being aware of the end result and why you're wanting that result, and is it for the you know,
Scott Benner 23:26
for them, or for me? Yes, yeah. So doing it for yourself is very important, yes, yes, yes, yes, because it doesn't if you're doing it for someone else, and you trip, then the shame fault flows in. If you're doing it for yourself and you trip up. Why does that help you?
Erika Forsyth, MFT, LMFT 23:45
Well, you, I mean, you, we still can go down the path of shame very easily. I think what, what James says that we can become these victim we can become a victim of the expectations that we think other people have about us. So if you're trying to reach a goal because we think other people expect us to or we think they're going to think differently of us and we don't reach that goal, then we're feeling kind of like a victim of their expectations. But conversely, if you're just doing it for yourself, we can you can also feel badly about yourself, but it's different. So
Scott Benner 24:27
is it about how you hold yourself or how you actually feel like you know, it's so strange you're bringing this up. So I'm gonna say something I'm a slightly embarrassed. Bucha, we ran out last night for dinner at the last minute, me and Kelly and Arden, and we were been working all day, so everybody was sort of, like, in sweat pants or, you know, like sweat shirts. I was had like, a baseball hat on. We're staying in this restaurant. And Arden looks over now, Arden's dress very well. You're not catching Arden outside if she doesn't look great, right? So she looks at Kelly, and she goes, Mom, I'm gonna need you to just try harder. And she and she, and she's like, and Kelly's like. I worked all day. This is just what's in. She goes, I know, but still, she looks at me and she says, for no reason, because he doesn't deserve to feel this way. Dad carries himself like he's the governor of a state. And I was like, what? She goes, You act like you own a state. And I was like, right? And she was, You're not acting like you really you're projecting how you feel about yourself. And I said, I guess, like, I don't know, like, it's not a thing I'm doing on purpose, but I thought about it a lot after she said it, she's not wrong. Like, I have a fair amount of self confidence. And I guess it comes out in that it also comes out in things we do. Like, for example, before we started recording today, you're like, Hey, how are you? Oh, my God, I'm like, knee deep in this thing. I'm launching a brand new community for people with diabetes. Do you know who I'm doing it with me, and it's gonna be a huge undertaking. And I said, like, it was nothing. I said, I think if I just put a good year into it, it's gonna be like, I'll get it. I just set it off handedly. You were like, I was like, Okay, well, a year is that all you're gonna do? Like, to me, that's all of this. It's goal setting. And this podcast taught me about goal setting. It taught me that set a goal, make sure it's reasonable, and then can do it. Like, don't, like, sit around and, like, plan it out for 10 years now, I will be honest with you, this community thing's been in my head for four years. I've been mulling it over a long time and setting up pieces in the background and assets for it, and building another community in Facebook that I think can help feed it. Like I didn't just like, run outside and y'all, I'm gonna do it. But when the moment came and I had all the pieces in place, I was like, okay, oh, I had the tools. When I had all the tools in place, it was like, All right, it's time to start building the ship now. And I don't care if it fails, and I don't care what anybody thinks about me while I'm doing it. And if it fails and people like, point at me I won't even notice. Like, even in a social media world where people could literally, like, make it known to me, like, I think you screwed this up, I'd be like, I don't care what you think I was trying to do something good, and I'll just do it again. So, but why? Like, you know, like, where does that come from? Is it experiences? Because I don't know that I was always like this, you
Erika Forsyth, MFT, LMFT 27:10
know what? I mean? Yeah, so I'm thinking, there's, well, there's two. I'm like, What is your identity formation? So you're at, you're already acting, instead of being like, what would a healthy person do? You're, you're already like, acting as if you could not. I don't know successful like, what would a successful person do? Secret
Scott Benner 27:27
time, Erica, that's how I built the whole podcast. I was like, what would a person who's actually in this position? Oh, my God, I was doing this. I didn't even know it. What would a person who's in the position I want to be in act like in this situation? I did that in business meetings. Like, I did it. When I set things up, when I put things into the world, I'm like, like, I don't act like, Oh, I'm making a podcast. I act like I'm making a radio show, and it's 1990 and it's the height of radio. Like, you know what I mean? Like, that's how I do it. Like, I act like that's what's happening. I am do. I'm not acting I'm actually doing it. Ah, so in context of the podcast, you can make a thing perfectly if people don't respond to it, it doesn't exist. It's a tree falling in the woods. Right the minute you get response back to it, that's probably when I was like, oh, people like this, I'm right. This will grow. And so as soon as I knew I was correct, then i was running. Does that make sense? So I did the thing. I didn't care if anybody liked it or didn't like it. That, by the way, if you're looking for my origin story, it's when I wrote the book, and I got a bad review one time, and I read it, and it was devastating. But I didn't care, because other people liked the book, and I was like, Well, some people liked it, everyone's not gonna like it. And then I was able to wash my hands of that idea that everybody had to like me. That's gone. And then I wanted to make this podcast, and I said, and I Oh, I had the freedom of not caring if everybody liked me at that point, yeah, yeah. So I started the podcast. I watched it help people, and then once I saw that, it was doing what I thought like once I saw I had cause and effect. I said, Oh, I did a thing. This happened. That's what I thought was gonna happen that was valuable and positive for somebody else. I'll do it again. Let me multiply it by a million, if I can. Then I was off and running. Oh, okay, so I had to get knocked down before I got up again. Is this a Chumbawamba song my life?
Erika Forsyth, MFT, LMFT 29:19
I know I was like, Oh my gosh, that's the song.
Scott Benner 29:24
Where'd I come up with? Chumba. Lumba, by
Erika Forsyth, MFT, LMFT 29:25
the way, that was impressive. Yes, I get knocked down
Scott Benner 29:29
exactly. We don't want a copyright problem. But yes, that's it.
Erika Forsyth, MFT, LMFT 29:32
Okay. Sorry, sorry, I was off tune. So it's all good. Going back to the you were acting as if you were a podcast creator in the beginning, right? Like you, and then, like, what? What would a podcast creator do? And you would do those steps. And then eventually you became one, right? So then, and then you had the evidence built in, but your actions in the beginning and you were acting as if you already had a podcast before you. Had a podcast. Yeah,
Scott Benner 30:01
that's all. I should be on YouTube telling people how to do things, but I'm busy, and I'm not trying to snooker you out of your money or your time or your views. And the truth is, where did I get that from? I got it from people I listened to, and when you look back at them, they didn't know what they were doing, either. And the one kindness they did in the world was when they told their story, they said, I didn't know what I was doing. And I started this thing where I was bad at this, when I started and I got better at it, you know, people told me no, and I didn't care. I did it anyway. I was driven to do it, so I did it. So you just take all of this here. Listen, if you're listening, just take all of this and apply it to your diabetes, and, boom, you'll be fine.
Unknown Speaker 30:43
Well, yeah, with
Scott Benner 30:45
a lot of work and help,
Erika Forsyth, MFT, LMFT 30:46
a lot of work and self awareness and compassion. What is the purpose of the goal? Who are you trying to impress? Are you feeling like you're a victim of how other people perceive you? Oftentimes, when you get stuck in that, and I'm just trying to think about, you know, in your experience, if you're feeling like, Oh no, is everyone not gonna like this, when you're kind of thinking about this, like, collective experience, when we get stuck in that narrative of like, Oh no, if I reach this goal, or will this habit make me reach this goal, and will that goal, will other people perceive me in this way to break it down and ask, like, put individual names and people in that and usually you don't really care. Like, do they care if I don't do this thing or if I do? And usually the answer is no. So just being aware of, are you feeling? Are you so concerned about how the people and we're human, we are all concerned about how the other people of the US?
Scott Benner 31:40
Yeah, I'm not unaware that it's important to me. Like, if people care about me and love me, but I just people outside of my sphere, I don't care. I don't care. Like, if a stranger gives me a bad review, I was like, Oh, they didn't like it because I had to go through that process, because the first time it felt like they didn't like me, you know what I mean? And then I was like, Oh, I don't why would that matter? There are people who like me, like, I that's I'm just not for everybody. Like, I would tell you that one of my secrets is, is being able to give things away, like, is to not like, hang on things and be burdened by them forever. Like, this thing, you know, was hurtful. It was impactful. I processed it, and I moved past it, and I don't think about it anymore. And I, trust me, there are plenty of people who don't like me, and some of them say it online. I've seen it like, but it's I don't know, like, what am I going to do? You know? Awesome. Yes, you know what? I want to give you a pat on the back. This is the wrong phrasing, but I'm going to give you a lot of credit here. It may not surprise people who are listening for a long time that Erica has sent me very thoughtful notes about what we're going to talk about, and it may not surprise you that I don't read them. I follow them while we're talking, but I don't read them ahead of time. And I'm always impressed that when I look up at the notes you got me to the spot, I'm like, Oh, I'm there. I'm there. This is where I would have been if I would have read ahead and like and I find that really impressive, and I think it's probably something that people enjoy about these recordings between the two of us, because you're doing such a good job of walking me through this process that I'm having a realization as I'm going and I'm imagining that's happening for other people as well. So really cool. Thank you. You're awesome. Thank
Unknown Speaker 33:19
you. Yeah, are we at the end of
Unknown Speaker 33:20
Part Four,
Erika Forsyth, MFT, LMFT 33:23
yes, the second episode, yeah, this vision, yes, identity based habits,
Scott Benner 33:27
and we're out of time now, so we'll stop. Is that right? Yes, okay, all right. Thank you so much. I really do appreciate
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