#1585 After Dark: Coma
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Scott Benner 0:00
Welcome back friends to another episode of The Juicebox podcast.
Rosana 0:14
My name is Rosanna. My youngest is 14 and has type one diabetes.
Scott Benner 0:19
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Rosana 2:37
My name is Rosanna. I'm a 53 year old, mother of four. My youngest is 14 and has type one diabetes. And I have six grandchildren. Oh,
Scott Benner 2:49
Rosanna, an eclectic Little Mix going on over there. Oh, boy, yeah, I do. Were you 12 when you had your first one or no? How old were you when you had your first kid? 22 okay, that's all fair. Well,
Rosana 3:02
they are third, 3129 20 and 14. Second marriage. No same marriage.
Scott Benner 3:09
Wow. What happened?
Rosana 3:11
We thought we were done after the first two. They were girls. We kind of built a business. And then, surprise, I was pregnant at a boy. The last one was kind of so the boy was always like, when he was three or four, was always like, I wish I had a sibling. Why do my sisters have each other and I don't have anyone? So we tried, had a miscarriage, gave up, and then at 39 got pregnant with
Scott Benner 3:34
leaf. You tried to get pregnant because your kid asked you to,
Rosana 3:38
yeah. I mean, I had always wanted like, six kids, but it didn't look like it was going to work out that way. So,
Scott Benner 3:45
oh, you're either brave or stupid. I can't wait to find out which one while we're talking both, for sure, you and I are the same age of a 14 year old. Yes. Oh, that makes me nervous.
Rosana 3:59
Yes. I feel very old some days, oh,
Scott Benner 4:01
I can't imagine, like, Wait till that 14 year old is, like, 18 and you're almost 60. Oh, good luck. It's gonna be awesome. Which one of those four has type one you said the youngest? Oh, look at you. Yep, yep. Couldn't just stop, huh? Is there other autoimmune in your family, none. It was a complete surprise, no thyroid or celiac, even with the grandmother. I
Rosana 4:27
mean, I have a cousin who has celiac. That's it, though, huh? Yeah, my mom has passed away. I think in her past, there may have been a thyroid issue, but it was never discussed.
Scott Benner 4:38
Was she super thin or opposite? No, she was opposite, opposite. Did it hit her like out of nowhere? Was she heavier her whole life? She was heavier most of her life, and she passed away about a year ago, of a year and a half ago, she had CLL, chronic lympho. FONA leukemia, oh my gosh. How was she in her 80s?
Rosana 5:04
She was 72
Scott Benner 5:08
Oh, it's too young, yeah. Oh, I'm sorry. She was, Are you her oldest? Yes, yeah. Look at me doing the math. You figuring things out. Are we going to use the name of your child who has type one leaf, l, e, i, f, okay. Like leaf Garrett, yes. Like Leif Erickson, the Viking. Does anyone remember the leaf Garrett posters on girls rooms, bedroom walls when we were in school? Yeah? I remember, yeah. The boys had Heather Locklear or the girl from the or the girl from the fall guys angels, or the Charlie's Angels, ones and boys had leaf, and girls had leaf. Garrett everybody's bedroom you walked into.
Rosana 5:55
Yeah, I didn't have posters.
Scott Benner 5:58
Where are we getting $1 from you little getting great. Oh my gosh. How old was he when he was diagnosed? Just turned 14 a week after his 14th birthday. Oh, this is very recent. It is about eight months. Oh my gosh. I haven't done a very recent one in a while. Are you okay?
Rosana 6:16
I am getting there. It was a wild ride. We were in the hospital for two months. No,
Scott Benner 6:21
wait, hold on. All right, let's go back to the beginning. What is the first thing you noticed that made you concerned for his health?
Rosana 6:28
Well, nothing. I guess that's the problem. My husband and I, my ex husband and I are divorced. We've been divorced about eight years, and he's the only minor child. He goes back and forth weekly. Every week he's one week. He's with me one week he's with his dad. The day before he was going to his dad's for the week, he had mentioned being thirsty, and I was like, well, you need to drink more water, like, because he'd always been healthy. He was on a competitive soccer team, right? We only saw the doctor when he needed a sports physical, so it didn't connect that anything was wrong?
Scott Benner 7:01
Oh, this one's so dumb. It doesn't know to drink when it's thirsty. Great, well, and he was
Rosana 7:05
drinking too much soda, I'm sure, like drink some water. So he went to his dad's. I went on a work trip. I came home and he was gonna go ahead and stay the next weekend with his dad's, because he was gonna have a slumber party for his birthday. But Saturday afternoon, his dad called me and said, Hey, he's really sick. He's asking for you, will you come and get him? So I went and picked him up, and he was gaunt and white, like he had obviously lost weight. And so I took him. It was like Saturday afternoon. I took him straight to the urgent care near our house, and they ran strep, flu, a, flu B, COVID, mono,
Scott Benner 7:45
and they did a UA, really, yes,
Rosana 7:49
and they said, and by this time, it's after five, and they're like, Well, it all, you know, all these things came up negative. We still think it's strep. They did a long strep test, and they said, We won't know for a couple of days, but we're gonna send you home with an antibiotic. She did mention that the UA showed high sugars and high proteins, but then she said, Well, that's probably because he hasn't been eating. And we found out he'd lost 20 pounds, yeah, and he was only 110
Scott Benner 8:14
I was gonna say 14. How much? How big he was, 90 at that point, 90 pounds. Yeah. Oh my gosh. Now that did that set off an alarm for you?
Rosana 8:25
Well, yeah, at that point, I'm like, Okay, this like,
Scott Benner 8:28
yeah, stop running the urgent care playbook here, and let's think a little closer, right? So well, but
Rosana 8:33
I'm like, okay, they know what they're doing, right? So I go home, I get the antibiotic, and go home, and Sunday, he spends all day, lying on the couch watching the TV, peeing, which, you know, I didn't know anything about type one diabetes, yeah, didn't know what the symptoms were. So he's like all now I look and I see all the symptoms during that day, Sunday night, went to sleep, he peed the bed, which he's not done since he was little, and I couldn't pick him up, and he was non responsive to me. Oh my gosh. So I called his dad, who met me at the apartment, and we rushed him to the Children's Hospital. They immediately took him back and almost immediately told us he was in DKA. His sugars were 649 his ketones were over 80, and his Ph, his blood pH, was 6.70 God, which. I didn't know what any of those numbers meant at the time, but they told us they were not conducive with
Scott Benner 9:35
life. Yeah, that's not a good thing to hear.
Rosana 9:38
So he slipped into a coma, and he was in a coma for about four days. And you know how you watch, like, Grey's Anatomy or shows, and they just like, wake up out of a coma, and they're like, wide awake.
Scott Benner 9:50
Well, they need to, yeah, they need to move this scene along. So they got to talk again. Not like that. Is that what you're telling
Rosana 9:56
me? Yes. Not like that. You know, one day he's like. Responding by squeezing your hand, but he's not awake, and then it's just like he's slowly, like it's, he's fighting through a boggy water or something to come back to consciousness. So it took him a few days.
Scott Benner 10:12
Oh, my God. So go ahead, keep going. I'm sorry. No, don't be. Are you okay? Talking about it? I mean, it's very recent.
Rosana 10:19
Yeah, yeah. I'm trying to get through it, because that was not the
Scott Benner 10:22
end. I almost cried. So, like, I'm like, You must be really upset, like, and I'll tell you, what got me was, is that, you know, I remember being told when we got Arden there, Hey, she's like, 24 hours away from being in a coma. And also thinking about all the stories I've heard of people who have been diagnosed like this and not made it, you know, so
Rosana 10:42
well. And the doctors, like the second night, one of the doctors, and they were all so good and so attentive and doing everything they could, and they just they didn't know what else to do, and they were running all kinds of tests because they couldn't figure out why he wasn't coming back. And I wasn't sure why they were running all the tests. To me that was like, okay, he's in DKA, and this is what happens. But I guess it doesn't always follow that. Usually when they get the sugars down, they rebound pretty
Scott Benner 11:09
quickly, okay? And he didn't, Jeez, what are they telling you? Two days into it, what are they saying?
Rosana 11:16
You know, it was kind of a wait and see. And they kept running tests and trying to figure out, you know, different things. And one night, I'm laying there because I slept in the room, the whole basically, I lived in the hospital for two months, and I'm quietly crying on the bed, you know, the guest bed, and one of the doctors, the female doctor, came over and kind of crouched in front of me and put her head down for a few minutes, and then she looked at me, and she was crying. She's like, I'm so sorry. You're going through this. I'm so sorry. And it's like, you could tell they were really emotional and upset about it.
Scott Benner 11:48
Yeah, lost as well. They weren't exactly sure what was happening, yeah. And so he woke up about
Rosana 11:54
four days later, and they started, you know, the rehab and swallow tests. And because he'd had every thing connected to him imaginable, dialysis, EEG, yeah, the EEG is on the head, intubated pic lines, you name it. So they started, you know, dealing with all of that. He had a swallow test. He had an MRI, which showed a little bit of brain bleed, and then he was awake for about six or seven days as they're trying to get everything back in order. And then one night, something happened, and he started thrashing. They thought he had a stroke. They weren't sure why they were giving him drugs, like one night, they were giving him fentanyl. And I was like, What are you like? Because I deal with fentanyl every day, like, this is not good. And they were like, No, this is medical. That's okay.
Scott Benner 12:49
Can I ask you? I mean, are you on your own at that because you said because the way you described your life, right up until you said you were divorced, I never would have expected you to be divorced, like four kids married that long. I was like, they're gonna be stuck with each other forever. When that got introduced, I was like, oh, gosh, and now you're in there. Like, do you and your ex reconcile enough to be together during this? Like, I mean, maybe you have that agreement already.
Rosana 13:14
He was there the entire time along with his girlfriend, awesome. So that's a total other trauma that we won't discuss.
Scott Benner 13:24
I mean, listen, you don't have to dig deep into it, but four kids a marriage this long, he did something wrong,
Rosana 13:30
right? Yeah. I mean, the easy, the easy answer is, midlife crisis.
Scott Benner 13:34
Gotcha. I mean, like, you smell it a mile away. So it's just you your ex and his girlfriend hanging out in your son's hospital room, who's in a coma, and the three older kids were in there, off and on. Okay? Is there a conversation that's had out loud, like, do you say we don't know if he's gonna live through this or not, or how do you manage that unknown? Time? This episode is sponsored by tandem Diabetes Care, and today I'm going to tell you about tandems, newest pump and algorithm, the tandem mobi system with control iq plus technology features auto Bolus, which can cover missed meal boluses and help prevent hyperglycemia. It has a dedicated sleep activity setting and is controlled from your personal iPhone. Tandem will help you to check your benefits today through my link, tandem diabetes.com/juicebox, this is going to help you to get started with tandem, smallest pump yet that's powered by its best algorithm ever control iq plus technology helps to keep blood sugars in range by predicting glucose levels 30 minutes ahead, and it adjusts insulin accordingly. You can wear the tandem Moby in a number of ways. Wear it on body with a patch like adhesive sleeve that is sold separately. Clip it discreetly to your clothing or slip it into your pocket head. Now to my link, tandem diabetes.com/juicebox to check out your benefits and. Get started today. Today's episode is sponsored by a long term CGM that's going to help you to stay on top of your glucose readings the ever since 365 I'm talking, of course, about the world's first and only CGM that lasts for one year, one year, one CGM. Are you tired of those other CGM the ones that give you all those problems that you didn't expect, knocking them off, false alerts not lasting as long as they're supposed to. If you're tired of those constant frustrations, use my link ever since cgm.com/juicebox to learn more about the ever since 365 some of you may be able to experience the ever since 365 for as low as $199 for a full year. At my link, you'll find those details and can learn about eligibility ever since cgm.com/juicebox check it out. There was a lot of
Rosana 15:57
just kind of discussion on what ifs you know, because it wasn't just that, like when he woke up, it wasn't just is he going to live? It's also they had no idea what kind of neurological deficits he would have. So and then after he went into he had a stroke, which later they determined is something else, but he
Scott Benner 16:15
went back into a coma. So the thrashing led back to the coma. Yeah,
Rosana 16:19
something he had, his blood pressure went too high. Oh, god. Okay, so by this time, he'd been on constant dialysis for two weeks, and that was as long as they could do it for. And so they sent us to another city. They life flighted him, and we drove to another city to have a different kind of dialysis. And once we got there, his doctor there took all of his records home to try to figure out what was going on, and came back and said that she believed he had had press, which is pulmonary rehabilitative encephalopathy, with the syndrome,
Scott Benner 16:57
okay? And this is as a result of the dka, or in addition,
Rosana 17:01
they think so, yes, and then his blood pressure skyrocketing, and he had a hemorrhage in his occipital lobe. We were there for about three weeks. He got out of the PICU, went to a regular ward. We had our diabetes education, he was in therapy, and then we were moved to an inpatient rehab at Bethany in town. Stayed there for three weeks, and just once he woke up from that, he just progressed really quickly, much, much quicker than they thought he would. They really thought there would be more neurological issues.
Scott Benner 17:36
That's what the swallow test is for, right? It's looking for early neurological issues,
Rosana 17:40
yes, and to see if he can swallow anything without aspirating, because he'd had a he'd been intubated and had a feeding tube most of the time.
Scott Benner 17:49
So even though he comes out of this, I mean, and that's obviously good news, you're still unsure of his path to that
Rosana 17:55
right? And in the end, it ended up being they were worried about his peripheral vision, and he has foot drop okay. After we came home, we were still in therapy for those things. He still has about a 20% foot drop, but he's walking and even running. I mean, he's just, he kind of, if he's not thinking about it, he kind of walks on the balls of his feet.
Scott Benner 18:17
So for people who don't know is that where you take a step and your foot kind of doesn't come along with you, no? Or what is
Rosana 18:23
that? I think, if it's more severe, yes, it's just he doesn't walk with a heel toe strike. Okay, his feet are always more pointed than they should be. And
Scott Benner 18:33
is this going to be forever, or is it a thing they can help him with?
Rosana 18:36
Well, rehab finally got to a point where they said that they didn't think it was going to help. Rehab was going to help anymore. So now we're looking at possible neuromuscular doctors or Botox
Scott Benner 18:47
therapy. Okay, with some hindsight, let me take you out of this moment for a second before you die. Yeah? Like she's just gonna explode and start crying, if only that was the end of it. No, no, I know. I want to give you a pause because and I'm a little embarrassed, but as I logged on here, I thought, people listen. You might not listen much like, but for people who listen, they know like, I'm kind of proud that I don't prep for the episodes. Like, I find my way through the conversation with people, and I think that's what makes it interesting. Except when I logged on today, I did think like, how this lady got a hold of a VIP link, and like, I'm like, I'll figure it out. And then, as you're talking, I thought, oh God, you put the post up in the Facebook group, like, right? And then people said you should be on the podcast. You're that person, right?
Rosana 19:33
I don't know about you. Asked you, you asked for some after dark people to sign up, and I sent to send you emails, and I sent you an email.
Scott Benner 19:41
Oh, no, kidding. Okay, yeah, anyway, like, one way or the other, until you really start telling your story, I'm not sitting here thinking, Oh, this is the person who's gonna tell me that their kid was in DK and in the hospital for two months. So like, I'm Yeah, being my dumb self, like in the beginning, trying to loosen you up to get ready for the podcast, and as you're talking, I was like. Oh, geez, that's okay, no. And now I'm hearing you struggling, and I just thought, like, let's break for a second. So with some hindsight, how long were his symptoms active before you ended up in the hospital?
Rosana 20:16
As far as actual symptoms, other than the thirst, I don't really remember anything. Looking back now, I remember throughout the school year, he would call me and say his stomach hurt after lunch, and in my mind, it was because he was bored and didn't want to be at school.
Scott Benner 20:30
He thought he was trying to get out of school. I mean, he's the fourth kid like this time. I've heard it all. He's also like, he's like, I could push this lady around. She's old and she don't got the she ain't got the energy for this anymore, you know. But now I wonder, what was that distance though, that stomach pain to the diagnosis? How long had that happened? You know, it had been months, months, okay, and then the thirst,
Rosana 20:52
the thirst was the first thing that I could look back and say, hey, you know, that's pre and that was only a week and a half
Scott Benner 20:58
before, okay, okay, please don't but I imagine you are, but please don't beat yourself up over it. But are you beating yourself up over this?
Rosana 21:05
No, at first I was beating myself up over believing urgent care and taking him home for 36 hours, but after, like, reading all of the posts and listening to blog, you know your podcast, I mean,
Scott Benner 21:19
it really is just kind of, what happens, yeah, I mean, because it does seem like, from a from an outsider's perspective, who's not been dealing with all this stuff for their whole life, it seems insane that urgent care could miss. Oh, yeah, what you're describing happened 36 hours later. You know what I mean? Like, it does seem insane, but at the same time, like, I don't know, like, they probably, so once I got
Rosana 21:42
to the hospital and we were settled in, you know, I looked at the paperwork that urgent care sent me home with, and it said, Well, I didn't have it with me. That was the deal. I didn't have my paperwork with me. So I called urgent care, and the receptionist was new, and I said, Hey, I don't have my paperwork from Saturday. Can you email it to he said, Well, I don't know when he figured it out, and he sent it to me. And this paperwork, as opposed to the paperwork I got sent home with that, I remember reading that paperwork said blood sugars, high, proteins, high, no numbers. It just said high. Well, the paperwork he emailed me had numbers, okay, and was in bright red. So I'm like, why didn't somebody see this?
Scott Benner 22:28
I mean, even high, like a blood sugar, that's high on a I mean, let's guess it's over 400 maybe over 500 right?
Rosana 22:34
The numbers that they sent me said 500 plus, because that's as high as their thing that, you know, test for and proteins were 80 plus. You just
Scott Benner 22:43
have to want, you do have to wonder, I don't want to, like, get into, like, the blame game, but like, you do have to wonder, like, I mean, they don't see any 500 plus blood sugars from people just because they're sick. I can't be right, especially a little 14 year
Rosana 22:56
old kid, and it was an NP, but I think that it was near closing time.
Scott Benner 23:01
Oh, you can eat Buffalo Wild Wings up the street. Maybe we needed to get going.
Rosana 23:04
Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. Does Buffalo Wild
Scott Benner 23:08
Wings do all you can eat? I don't know. Oh, my God. So, okay, so you're not alone. Listen, just real quick, the girlfriend's not like way younger than you. Is she? I think she might be about eight to 10 years younger than me. Geez, I'm
Rosana 23:22
sorry. It all sucks. Not as much of an age gap as the girlfriend he had before that. So, oh,
Scott Benner 23:27
okay, least he brought the one he found at the gym, not the one he found at the club. Is that what you're saying? I'm so sorry. They both work for him. So, oh geez, it's a good collection system. Are you still in business with him? No, oh yeah, you made him buy you out, I imagine, yeah, good for you. Okay. Wow, you've had quite a decade. Are you okay to move forward now, like I stopped you so you could collect yourself and say some stupid so you could relax. You want to keep telling the story now? Please do Yeah, sure.
Rosana 23:56
So we've been home since December 6, and he's doing really well. His diabetes is like, probably the least has been up to this point, the least of his problems. I mean, as we're healing from all the other stuff, even now it's still he's within range about 95% of the time. Awesome, yeah, and he just got a tandem Moby Monday. Do you like it? He is, and he's been doing really well, keeping everything in in range.
Scott Benner 24:21
Awesome. That's great. Tandem diabetes.com/juicebox.
Rosana 24:26
We tried to get the Omnipod, and our insurance was like, Yeah, you're gonna have to pay out of pocket to eat. You reach your out of pocket Max every year, okay? And we're like, yeah, we're not gonna do that.
Scott Benner 24:36
Okay? Omnipod.com/juicebox, use the links support the show. Let's move on. Though, if diabetes is the least of his issues, what are his issues?
Rosana 24:46
I mean, he'd still like to play competitive soccer again, so getting his foot issue is probably the biggest thing right now.
Scott Benner 24:54
But that's physically like is he struggling psychologically by being waylaid like this? You
Rosana 25:00
know, he asked a lot of questions. At first, we have a scrapbook because he wanted to know. He wanted to see it all. He also firmly believes that he's a miracle, being alive. Being alive, okay, yes. And there was a whole thing centered around Ezekiel 37 which is a scripture about dry bones coming alive, which is his favorite song. He
Scott Benner 25:23
doesn't feel like this was all purposeless and no,
Rosana 25:26
and he's kind of a typical youngest child where, you know, he's enjoying the attention.
Scott Benner 25:32
It's like, Finally, someone's paying attention. I had to get this foot drop and diabetes and be in a coma, but they really are looking at leaf now, yeah, well, I'm sure he would have taken it a different way. Yes. So neurologically, all okay,
Rosana 25:45
seems to me, he missed a whole quarter of school, and then when he went back, it was for half days, because he was going to therapy in the morning. So they dropped his math, which was his favorite subject, they dropped him from algebra down to pre algebra, which he'd already taken. That was one thing they were worried about. Was his math, whatever part of your brain does math
Scott Benner 26:06
really? Oh, that was a that was a health decision, not a school decision. Well, it was a school
Rosana 26:11
decision, but we're just kind of waiting and seeing how that comes back.
Scott Benner 26:14
Is he having difficulty with mathematics?
Rosana 26:17
He doesn't think so. So we're going to wait and see how next school year goes.
Scott Benner 26:21
Do you notice anything different about him, like intellectually, or how quick he is, the sense of humor, stuff like that? I
Rosana 26:29
think his peripheral vision is still has a deficit, and that kind of makes a difference, kind of in how he does things. Yeah,
Scott Benner 26:37
other than that, not really.
Rosana 26:41
He still has a really close knit group of friends. He still plays video games. He's just not playing soccer right now.
Scott Benner 26:47
Did the doctors give you any indication of why they thought this became so severe? No, they still don't know. And do they have a feeling for how long he was without as much insulin as he needed before. No, no,
Rosana 27:03
we went back to the hospital here in town and took a basket for the nurses, and they were all very happy to see him. And several of the nurses said that he was one of the worst cases that they had had. And they were very, very happy to see
Scott Benner 27:17
him, happy to see him meeting. They're a little stunned he's alive and doing okay,
Rosana 27:21
yeah, walking around and smiling and joking. Does that
Scott Benner 27:25
make you feel like, does that make you feel lucky, or does it make you mad? I don't know how you I'm wondering.
Rosana 27:33
Makes me feel blessed. I think it's just that he's he is still alive. Yeah,
Scott Benner 27:39
it's so random, right? Like, it feels like, like a car accident, almost like in its right. How did the other three kids? I know some of them are much older, but like, how did they, how did they handle, like, going through all this? Did everybody do it differently?
Rosana 27:51
They were all pretty emotional about it. My 20 year old son, Joel, he got a tattoo
Scott Benner 27:57
for his brother, oh, I was gonna say, depicting the event. Where, like, it says Ezekiel 37 that makes more sense than my idea. Yeah,
Rosana 28:06
so and his older sister spent a lot of time with us. Came, came to the city and stayed with me some nights. And the second sister has four children, and was pregnant.
Scott Benner 28:15
Oh gosh, she didn't. She didn't have any space for any of that, huh? Probably
Rosana 28:19
no. So she, she came with when she could, but that is
Scott Benner 28:23
interesting, right? Did I met? Am I remembering right, that she's is she 33
Rosana 28:27
she's 2929 you're 22nd
Scott Benner 28:30
one, you're 29 okay, you're but the old, the oldest 133's right? She's 31 I was gonna give myself credit for remembering that number randomly. But okay, but your 29 year old has four kids. You know, was was pregnant with the fourth. During this happening, she's pregnant with the fifth. The fifth, yeah, are you guys? Like, where are you building an army for the Lord, what's going on over
Rosana 28:51
there? Kinda, I guess her husband is second of seven. Oh, no kidding, yeah. And he was homeschooled, and she was homeschooled. And I'm
Scott Benner 29:00
not talking to you from Utah, right? No,
Rosana 29:03
okay, we're not the denim jumper kind of homeschoolers. I don't
Scott Benner 29:07
know what that means, but I'm sure those people are offended, and everybody else is laughing. Wow, that's that really is life altering, isn't it like that's, I mean, do you feel like life's the same thing as it
Rosana 29:19
used to be? No, but that wasn't the end of the trauma. So
Scott Benner 29:23
wait, all right, I'll write my question down and then keep going. Where's there's give me the rest.
Rosana 29:29
So about a month after we came home, I had just bought a house, in fact, just closed on it on that day, and later that evening, my daughter, who was 39 Weeks Pregnant, she was planning to have a home birth with the midwife, and she had a placental abruption. I
Scott Benner 29:44
don't think I can handle your life anymore.
Rosana 29:49
And they live about 30 miles south of town, so about 45 minutes from the hospital, and they called me. I was just leaving work. It was rush hour traffic, and I said, I'll meet. You there. I'll get the other kids. And so I met them at the hospital. They pulled up right behind me, like he said. He literally put the cruise control on 100 put the blinkers on, and drove on the shoulder. I don't know how he made it without stopping or without getting stopped, but he did. I took the kids and parked and cleaned up the van because it was not good. Kids were pretty traumatized.
Scott Benner 30:25
Were they in the car for the for the 100 mile? Are you just here to say speeding is okay? Is that what you're saying?
Rosana 30:33
No, I was, I was pretty traumatized about that, that she had passed out on the way. He
Scott Benner 30:37
was,
Rosana 30:38
he was pretty shaken. She's, you are
Scott Benner 30:41
gonna make me cry. Rosanna, Jesus, oh, God, this guy who's not 30, probably, maybe all of like, 30 years old, maybe is in a car with his pregnant wife and his four kids, and she loses consciousness. Yes, dear, jeez. Oh, okay, all right, so he what happens? Is she okay? She
Rosana 31:03
had an emergency C section. She's okay. They had to, I think they had to give her turnover. If they had to give her blood transfusion, I think they did, but she was okay. They, you know, kicked her out. 48 hours later,
Scott Benner 31:15
really, they're like, Okay, get out. Typical
Rosana 31:19
baby was born with a hard knot in his umbilical cord. Oh, and they did not know how long he had been without oxygen. How long ago is this now? January? Mid January, and how was the baby? He spent a month in the NICU, the first 72 hours on a cooling pad, which very few hospitals have, but luckily enough, Children's Hospital here had one. They still were, like, we don't know what kind of neurological deficits he's gonna have. Like, basically, I go to the hospital room and it looks almost identical to my sons. It's two floors lower and it's a smaller bed. He's got all the things hooked up to him, EEGs, and he's tiny. He's got a bunch of dark hair, you know, just all over his head. For a while, he had a feeding tube, and they didn't think that he would be able to swallow or eat on his own, but that went away. They didn't think he'd ever be able to breastfeed. He did. He is at home now, progressing. He's still, I think they say neurologically behind, not rolling over yet. He's about four months old. How
Scott Benner 32:26
long does it take to get a real assessment? How old does he have to be before they can start figuring out what has or hasn't happened?
Rosana 32:33
I don't know when with Leif, they told us that brain, any kind of brain bleed or brain tears to take up to a year to heal, and so they told us to wait a year before we really start
Scott Benner 32:46
trying to assess what happened, right? I hope this wasn't too upsetting to your husband. Ex husband's girlfriend, sorry she wasn't there too, right? No,
Rosana 32:55
not this time. Okay,
Scott Benner 32:58
I don't know how you don't know, by the way, not to be there.
Rosana 33:04
Yeah,
Scott Benner 33:06
it was a whole thing. I can't imagine. It wasn't just wait in the waiting room. Like, what are you doing anyway? No, no, oh, my goodness. Well, has any other horrible things happened to any people you love?
Rosana 33:20
No, please. No, no. You're
Scott Benner 33:21
like, I mean, you know, it's funny now, like, I go back to the beginning of our conversation where I just thought you were telling me that your son was diagnosed with type one diabetes eight months ago, and I said, you're okay, but now I'm going to ask you much differently, because I think it's possible the answer is, no, Scott, I'm not but are you okay? I
Rosana 33:37
most days I'm getting there. I probably should see a therapist, but I'm out of money and I have no time, so let's
Scott Benner 33:44
forget everybody else for a second and just think about you for a second. What's the journey you've been on? Like forget the nuts and bolts of it. How have you felt, and how have you gotten through how you felt and what has it led to?
Rosana 33:57
Definitely traumatized. My personality is such that I'm always anxious and always looking for how the next shoe is going to drop, basically what's going to go wrong. Obviously, this is something I'd never imagined. So no matter how much you worry, it always ends up being something you didn't worry about. A lot of, you know, kind of depression, maybe, of just trying to handle little being alone. And his dad stepped up and has really helped, and he still goes, you know, week on, week off, to his dad's house, which gives both of us a break, basically, right? But yeah, just handling it alone, and yeah, financially.
Scott Benner 34:37
How much do? What can you tell me? What was the bill.
Rosana 34:41
Obviously, they have their bill. The insurance has what they're going to pay. And then we had our out of pocket Max, which I have pretty good insurance through my work. So our out of pocket Max was 8700
Scott Benner 34:53
still a lot of money, huh? Yeah. Do you remember the pre insurance bill? The bill the hospital?
Rosana 35:00
It was very close to 2 million. Wow, yeah,
Scott Benner 35:03
jeez. And the insurance company, like, what do they do? They pay half of it.
Rosana 35:08
Oh, I think it was less than half. Yeah, I want to say it was like, 750,000
Scott Benner 35:12
Okay, and then you get to pay, uh, can you imagine? What do they need your eight grand for? Like, if seven you don't even, like, if 750,000 was a good number for them, what do they need? Your eight grand? Eight grand for? What are they doing with that? Buying a cooling pad? I don't think so. There's only one hospital has one. Oh, my God. Okay, so you've you feel like you've been depressed. Definitely struggled with that for a few months. And I've struggled, not clinically, like I've never seen a therapist, and I always kind of have when I start feeling that way, I have steps, I guess, to get myself out of it. If that makes sense. Is it wrapped around your anxiety that something else is going to happen?
Rosana 35:56
Oh, yeah, but I think this definitely, like proved to me that things are going to happen, whether I worry or not
Scott Benner 36:03
prior to your son's illness coming on, had there been a lot of health issues at all to deal with over the previous years?
Rosana 36:12
Nope, none of my kids have been sick or unhealthy. In fact, Leif was really the only he had broken his collarbone before he'd actually broken it twice. They had to break him to get they had to break his collarbone to get him out of me. He was a very big child.
Scott Benner 36:28
Sorry. I mean, honestly, did you say just leave him in it's all right. Like, I was like, I changed my mind he could live in there. I didn't know all this was gonna happen. But point being, is that you've made your fair share of babies your you know, your daughter's making them probably. I mean, it sounds like everybody's pretty fertile, so there's a lot of kids going on and, like, and no one's been sick. And then all of a sudden, you're 53 and your son is, like, being life flighted and is in a coma, yeah. And then before you can look up your daughter's almost losing her life and a baby in a
Rosana 37:03
pregnancy, Yep, yeah. And it feels like, so I live in Oklahoma, in the middle of tornado alley, and it does. It feels like it's just, you know, kind of a normal day, and all of a sudden tornadoes come through, lift your house, drop it back down, and you're just supposed to get up the next morning and go back to
Scott Benner 37:24
work, yeah, and that's what you've been doing, yep. But you think maybe you should talk to somebody I don't know, Rosanna, you probably should let me just listen. There are days you wake up and you like, is it dread, or do you feel like, Oh no, here it comes. And then you something bad is going to happen today, and then you have to you have to talk yourself out of it. No, you
Rosana 37:46
know, the anxiety has pretty much, I mean, I think for now, I've kind of looked at being 53 and looking at the rest of my life as being alone and having to get up every day and go to work and take care of everything by myself.
Scott Benner 38:00
You feel lonely, yeah, yeah. Well, you should start your own business and then start dating the men that work for you. I think that sounds like it works. I hear that works. Do you try to date? Do you try to go meet people I haven't dated in four years? I did before that. In fact, in 2019 I went on 10 first dates. Oh, and then what happened COVID. I
Rosana 38:27
actually got married, and COVID hit. And, well, I got married during COVID, I think because I thought the end of the world was coming or something, I'm not sure. And I needed major surgery, and he was there and being helpful, and then he lost his job, and turned out that he was a ranching alcoholic and decided to start stealing things from me and pawning them.
Scott Benner 38:49
Rosanna, listen, I need you to. I need you just to. I don't know what I need you to do. Hold on a second. You know, it's not often people come on here with so many problems that I'm like, have you tried drinking?
Rosana 39:04
No, not no to look at me. I'm like, very
Scott Benner 39:07
feel together, calm. So you took a shot with some guy and then he wasn't all he purported to be. How long were you with him before you married him? Over six months. Yeah, that's not long enough. Was he your age?
Rosana 39:22
Yes, yeah. And I only knew my first husband six months before. And then, how
Scott Benner 39:28
long were you married to him for? Though, 23 years. So you thought, Oh, this is how it works. Yeah, yeah, it's not how it works. I'm sorry to ask you, like this way, do you feel lonely, like, intellectually, or do you feel lonely, physically, probably both. I mean, the kids just bang, they use the apps, and then they have sex. You could cover half of this that way, if you wanted to right, swipe, swipe, swipe. You show up somewhere. Yeah, I think you do. You're not
Rosana 39:56
up for that. You know, after all this, I'm feeling very. Bold and frumpy, like, I'm in my Nana years, you know, 53
Scott Benner 40:04
I don't think that's true. I don't think you're Nana yet. Like, I mean, just because that kid got out there and started working early doesn't mean that you're like a grandmom. I
Rosana 40:14
mean, I feel like a lot of the guys my age are looking for younger women, and they can get them really, how do they do that? I mean, there's a lot of single women,
Scott Benner 40:23
so they're out there fishing for girls with daddy issues, and you're like, could you go older? Could you get like, could you go to 60? I mean, possibly, you know what? I mean, like, a surprise 60 year old guy. Yeah, right. They got meds now, like, if need be. I mean, listen, you're in a it's a difficult situation. I don't say otherwise. You know what? I mean, like I'm sitting here joking with you, but I don't think I could date like that seems ridiculous.
Rosana 40:49
No, it's not fun. Yeah, I'm not a looker. I'm not someone you would like twice. You have to get to know me before you decide to like me.
Scott Benner 40:59
I'm sure that's not true, but so you're worried that you're not visually, uh, appealing enough to, like do the quick dating thing. Yeah, so you worry guys are going to reach cheat just for
Rosana 41:10
sex. I don't even think they're interested
Scott Benner 41:13
in that. You never been a guy, so,
Rosana 41:17
I mean, after the last two I think they're mostly interested in somebody to take care of them.
Scott Benner 41:21
Oh, you, you end up finding guys who are, like, near to wells and need help.
Rosana 41:26
Yeah? I mean, they need somebody to cook and clean and yeah, pay for, yeah, pay for the second. With the second one, that was pay for things. But yeah,
Scott Benner 41:33
I can't imagine. Was he your age? Yeah, he's looking for you to pay the bills.
Rosana 41:38
Yeah. I mean, he's, he's since married again and living with his parents.
Scott Benner 41:43
Was that his third marriage? Yeah. See, he married you left you married another woman. Is in his 50s, married a third time, living with his parents, yeah. Oh, goodness, is it that bad out there? Yeah, that's upsetting. I mean, he should be embarrassed.
Rosana 42:03
And maybe it's just where I live, I don't know. Well, I
Scott Benner 42:06
was gonna say, Can you move? Well, not now that I have, you know, children and grandchildren. Yeah, you don't want to leave the kids. No, they're all here. Well, you should be depressed. I guess it's, I guess I don't want to argue with you about it, but I think you should talk to somebody about it, though, someday I'm gonna chuck it all and move to London. Really is that? Chuck it all? You're all on your own. Go yourselves. I'm out of here. Send pictures if you want, but don't feel pressured. Is that a dream of yours to live there? Oh
Rosana 42:39
yeah, I got to go for the first time last year, and it was everything I thought it would be.
Scott Benner 42:43
Why don't you and leaf go? Well, it's expensive, is it? I don't know. I've never been there. I think it's fancy that you've got to go at all.
Rosana 42:50
I'm a huge history like, I've read history since I was a kid, and I know I'm an anglophile. I know so much about one you know English history,
Scott Benner 43:00
right? And you just and that'd be a good place for you to eat. What can you guys go explore for a while, or
Rosana 43:06
go live there? Or, I'm hoping some someday when I've recovered from this.
Scott Benner 43:10
What do you think that looks like being recovered from this? I kind
Rosana 43:15
of have a five year plan of just trying to get out of debt and get physically back to where I can, you know, go and do fun stuff, and by then, leaf will graduate high school and
Scott Benner 43:25
I'll have some more freedom, okay, getting out of debt. Is that from the medical
Rosana 43:30
stuff? Oh, I wish I could say it was, but it's not. Is
Scott Benner 43:33
it from your crack Asia? From your crack addiction?
Rosana 43:37
No, it's from going to London last year. Oh, and also, I've written three books and self published and paid for my dream that turns out I'm not very good at marketing. Well,
Scott Benner 43:49
you should have come and found me rose, and I would have told you that that's not going to work. I had a publisher, and it's impossible to move, yeah? Impossible to move books like it just, it's really hard. Yeah, yeah. Also, I'm looking at you here, and you're not giving yourself enough credit for how you look. So I decided to, like, find you on the thing. You're fine. Don't worry about it that I wouldn't. I wouldn't worry about that one time if I was you. How much does it cost to self publish a book? Well, the
Rosana 44:16
last time around, I figured out that I could put it on Amazon and I wouldn't have to pay up front. But the first few times I sent it to a publishing I sent it to someplace where you could pay for copies and then sell them on your own. Okay, so, and then, you know, writing it, I you have a lot of copies of your book. Is that what you're telling me? Yeah, no, I have a couple boxes. Yeah. I also paid for an editor and I paid for an illustrator, because one of the books I wrote was a children's
Scott Benner 44:42
book. Well, let me ask you a question, do you think it's a good book? Yeah, yeah. You just can't, like, there's no way to get people to notice it,
Rosana 44:49
right? Yeah. I mean, you kind of have to be really into social media and have a lot of followers.
Scott Benner 44:54
Yeah, listen, I have a lot of followers, and it's still hard to make people notice stuff. So, yeah, yeah. Yes, you're at the whim of the platforms. Generally speaking,
Rosana 45:02
that's okay. Lesson learned. I went after my dream. I'm proud of myself for doing that. Now I just have to pay for it.
Scott Benner 45:07
I would give that book as gifts at every gift giving occasion for the rest of my life. Anytime somebody has a baby, I'd be like, hey, congratulations, Mazel Tov, here's a book. It's signed, I would tell
Rosana 45:19
them. The funny thing is, it's at the Children's Book is at my local library. I took it there, and it gets checked out all the time. People, like, always checked out. Yeah, yeah. And the library, in fact, said they have two copies now, so they'll check it out. They just
Scott Benner 45:33
won't buy it. Yeah? I mean, it's a tough road. I'll share a story with you that you're gonna say, well, would have been nice, Scott, if you shared this with me before I self published my book, while I was writing my book, which is now over. I mean, a long time ago, 2013 right? I had a daily relationship with my publisher. We talked all the time, and I'd pick around and, like, ask questions. And I one time said, like, Are people always bothering you with their book ideas? And she laughed, and she's like, constantly, like, Do you know what the worst ones are? And I was like, what's that? She goes, the people who think they have a good idea for a children's book. And I was like, Oh, yeah. She goes, everybody, everybody thinks they have a children's book. And I was like, Okay. And she goes, and don't get me wrong, she's like, some of them do, and she's like, but a lot of them don't,
Rosana 46:23
oh, I've read some. I'm like, and that's what kind of made me, pushed me into going ahead and publishing mine, because I was like, if they can get theirs out in the store, surely
Scott Benner 46:32
you could. Yes. Can you do something like, I mean, honestly, could you go to a local bookstore and tell them you'd like to, like, look, I want to put an author event here one evening, and I can bring in a certain amount of people and like, could you do that? Could you invite 2030 people to come? I've done
Rosana 46:50
book signing signings here in town, sold a few books. My biggest problem is I am very much an introvert, and I feel very awkward saying here, please find my book,
Scott Benner 47:02
so you're gonna find this next little thing interesting. Then after I got my book written, and I was out, you know, pushing it, which is the only way to talk about what you're doing, you're just out there, like, just trying to make anybody aware of it, I finished an interview one day, and the publisher called me, and they were like, that was so good. And I said, thank you. I was like, Why do you seem like, surprised that I did a good job with the interview? And she goes, I think it's just because authors are terrible at talking. Usually, that's why we write. Yeah, that's exactly what she said. She said, You're clearly not really an like, I'm not a writer. Like, you know what I mean? Like, I'm not a book author, and she's like, but on this part of it, you're way better at this part of it, she's like, significantly better. They just go out there and they sit and they wait for questions. Nobody asks them a question, and they sit there. Have you ever heard me tell that story about the book fair I went to one time? I think I did. You were talking? Yeah, yeah. I mean, I was stunned. I looked around the room and I was like, do all these people think someone's just gonna walk up to them and magically buy this book? Like I was out in front of the table handful of books. I was like, Hey, check this out. I sold all those books. I was out of there by like, lunch. That's what you I mean, if you're not doing that either, there's no way I'm just always so awkward I don't know you're doing a good job of this. Why do
Rosana 48:22
you think you're leading? You're telling you're asking me questions,
Scott Benner 48:27
and I really am the secret to this whole thing. But that's not the point. The point is that is that people should I never do this, but if you send me the link to your book, I'll put it in the show notes of the podcast.
Rosana 48:36
It doesn't have anything to do with diabetes, although maybe I need to write a book. I don't know.
Scott Benner 48:41
I don't care. Okay, I don't I don't know what it's about. I don't care what it's about. I don't even care if it's good. What do you think of that? But if you send me a link to where people can buy it, I will put it in the show notes of the podcast player. Because, by the way, let me just say this out loud. No one else try that like, don't I am NOT DO I already turned down 10 emails a day from people like, I just want to come on and talk to come on and talk to people about my app idea or my business idea. Oh, shut up. Leave me alone. Leave me alone. So uh, but for you, Rosanna, because of everything you've been through, that's why poor pitiful, because of the luck you and your family have, we're gonna see if some people might not buy this book. What is the Book about? The children's book. Yeah,
Rosana 49:23
here's the other thing. I'm terrible at describing it, so it is and I wrote it when my oldest daughter was a child, was a baby. Okay?
Scott Benner 49:32
It's about the life of a rock, like a pet rock.
Rosana 49:36
It's called stone story, and it's about a rock that's in a creek, and he gets kicked out of the creek. And over the years, he gets kicked and damaged and thrown through a window, and then at some point, thrown in the trash. And then somebody digs them out of the trash and cleans them up and puts him in a special place in the wall of that's being built. And he's a shiny jewel. Yeah, nice.
Scott Benner 50:00
And what does that mean to you? Is that something you feel like happened to you?
Rosana 50:04
Yeah? I mean, I think it's a kind of a parable, I guess, or an allegory, whatever you call that, but of how people sometimes feel,
Scott Benner 50:11
you know, yeah, well, I think everybody has a good opportunity to be a part of that, of that wall like, you know, just what do you need? You need somebody around you that cares a little bit, a little bit of a little bit of self confidence. Maybe that's where you're, you know, where you could start for yourself, like along the road here, like, you know, people have been through some hard things. You've supported them and done a great job of being somebody's mom a number of times, right? You know, you tried to be a good wife, and just because the person on the other side of that doesn't receive it that way. Doesn't mean you didn't do well at it. You know, even the second guy who took advantage like you were, you were earnest with him, I imagine, oh yeah, yeah, right, I'd get out there and do it again. I'm not kidding. Persona like, what's the alternative for punishment? No, but what's the alternative? Now that you know this is how it could go. Anything better than this is going to be a win. So your bar is super low. So that's awesome. And the other seriously, Hey, you can't get let down, really, if somebody has sold your belongings. I mean, you know what? I mean, like, it's not good. He didn't sell him, he didn't sell him for meth. Did he?
Rosana 51:17
Life does not sound that bad in my head.
Scott Benner 51:21
Well, I'm trying to be fun. But my point here is that, like, you know, I'd say, get out there and try again now, you know, maybe put up a little more of a wall. Let's not marry anybody six months in. But, you know, thought the world was ending. I hear what you're saying in the moment, it felt like, I mean, I felt like it was ending to me too. I'm
Rosana 51:39
not. I rationally knew that. I think it was just, you know, emotionally, because I was also staring down I needed a full hysterectomy surgery, and I had no one to help me.
Scott Benner 51:49
Oh, you, Oh, you, you maybe did a little of, like, if I'm married, this will be easier,
Rosana 51:54
you know, and yeah, and then the whole COVID thing, and I got laid off, and then I was working from home, and it was just he was there, and he was helpful, and he was nice.
Scott Benner 52:06
Well, listen, put that right on your profile. Hysterectomy. Can't get pregnant. You know what I
Rosana 52:09
mean? Well, I'm 53 I don't think I could have anyway at this point, but
Scott Benner 52:13
we're going to be telling them you're 43 in the profile. So you gotta jazz this up a little bit. You know what I mean? Same thing you got to do with the book when you're selling it. Yeah, did you say it was about a rock or a stone? A stone? Yeah, that's good. Don't say rock stones better. Is it shiny the stone? Well, not to begin with, no, but at the end, it's
Rosana 52:31
shiny. It's been through everything it is, yeah, like a tumbler of life,
Scott Benner 52:36
exactly. Do you not see this as your path, too? Why can't you actually be that Shiny Stone. It could be just waiting for somebody to find me. What would have to happen for you to end up in that wall nice and shiny, I guess somebody coming along that actually saw me, for me, yeah, and not for what I could do for them. That'd be a damn good start, wouldn't it? Well, yep, let me say this, Rosanna, you're not going to meet those people in your apartment. They're not. They're not. I mean, look, unless they're at work. Oh yeah, you said, I think before we started recording, you said you work with, how did you put it? Tell me what you said, again, criminals and lawyers. She's like, I work with criminals and lawyers, and often, would you say the lawyers are worse than the criminal? The lawyers are worse than the criminals? Okay, yeah, okay, so yeah, for you specifically, let's not date at work. I think that's, that's an obvious one, especially like, yeah, I probably want to avoid cops to older cops, right? Yeah, yeah, no disrespect to older cops, but you all know what I mean. A little jaded by now, you know I'm saying, yeah, yeah, right. So what do we do? Like, do you I mean, I don't even know how to do this. Like, I'm sitting here thinking, like, if I had to go meet somebody right now, I swear I don't know what to do. But can I say this last summer, my wife went away for business, my kids were they didn't live here, you know? No, I was by myself, is what I'm saying. And I wanted to see that first mission, Impossible movie of the two parter that ends the series. The second part is out. Now. I want to see the first part. Nobody went with me. I went to a theater. I went out one night, made the podcast. I did my business was supposed to do, you know, and I went out to a movie, and I'm sitting there watching a movie. I am by myself. There's probably 10 people in there, not many at all. Movie ends. Lady in front of me turns around, looks. She goes, boy, I really love that. I said I did too. And we started chatting a little bit. She's a lovely woman, probably a little younger than me. She kept chatting with me as we walked out, she stopped me in the parking lot to talk again. And I thought, hmm, I could get this lady, and she was being very friendly, and she was lovely. And of course, me, being married in the that I wasn't there looking for a date, slowed down the whole thing. I said to her, it was really nice to meet her, and I left, and she went on her way. But we could have kept talking like if I would have said to her, if I wasn't, let me just be clear, if I wasn't married, I could have said to her. We should go. You sit down somewhere and get a drink and talk. She we would have gone. Now I don't know how that would have ended, maybe with her selling my belongings. I don't know exactly. I gotta tell you like I didn't expect that. And there it was. So maybe you just gotta keep putting yourself out there till something, something fires off. You know?
Rosana 55:19
Yeah. I mean, this woman obviously had more confidence than I do. I don't
Scott Benner 55:23
know about that. I think we were just caught up in the we enjoyed the movie, and we started talking to each other. Yeah, if she's listening, really pretty Indian lady in her 40s. I wasn't married, I definitely would have asked you out. We were having a good time so and all it was is that we had like, a mutual like interest. At the moment, it was enough to start talking about that. Don't go picking other people have self published their books, because then we're going to find more introverted people, and you guys are just going
Rosana 55:50
to sit still and not talk well. And everything I like is an introverted thing. I mean,
Scott Benner 55:54
well, there's a good point. What are some of the things you enjoy doing? I
Rosana 55:57
love history of museums and antique stores. And I do genealogy, I go to cemeteries.
Scott Benner 56:05
Well, these seem like things other people like to do. Why don't you? Like, that's awesome. Like, I mean, can't you find somebody else who enjoys like, I mean, let's start cheaper. Like, going to cemeteries, do that, and then, and then find somebody that wants to travel and go see other stuff and like, I mean, people love history. There's got to be other it's got to be men who enjoy that too, yeah. And they don't have to be like, it could be friendly at first, because you said you want people to get to know you, right? Yeah. Rosanna, this is done deal. I think this is easy. Let's get this accomplished. Don't do it through Facebook. I feel like I just sat through a therapy session, though. Do you feel good? Good enough to send me a co pay?
Rosana 56:47
Oh, but I'll send you a link to my book.
Scott Benner 56:49
Awesome. Not even offer me a free book. Fine. That's fine. Well, I'm glad that this felt good. Do you feel better now?
Rosana 56:55
Yeah, yeah. I'm obviously going to sit back and be worried about all the stuff I said. But
Scott Benner 57:00
really, do not worry about anything. I don't know anyone in my personal life. Well, that's upsetting to me. I wish everybody listened. No, I tried, I tried. Believe me, you get it out there. Thank you. Yeah, awesome, awesome. That is that. I appreciate that very much. Oh, I didn't even ask you, but does the podcast, is it been valuable for you with your son's
Rosana 57:22
diabetes? Oh, yeah. Like, right away, I found the Facebook page, and then, think her name is Nico. She had I asked a question. She posted a series bold beginnings. I think it was Yep. So I listened to all of those. And then I've been listening to defining,
Scott Benner 57:38
defining diabetes, going through different terms. You can understand what they mean.
Rosana 57:42
And then also, I listen to like, the new ones as they come out.
Scott Benner 57:45
Awesome. Well, I appreciate that very much. I do. And you've probably just made it so that Rob will drop the bull beginnings trailer right after you stop talking.
Rosana 57:53
It was a very good one. Yeah,
Scott Benner 57:55
I appreciate that. See, it's a series, as a lot of people seem to find, that it's helpful getting
Rosana 57:59
going. I mean, I reading Facebook posts on the group, I think we had a special understanding of diabetes because we actually went through diabetes education three times. How so, once at the hospital in the city, and then once at the rehab. And then when we came back, our endocrinologist made us go through education, like a five part education series. Okay, wow, so we got the same thing three times.
Scott Benner 58:28
And Was that helpful, or did you still was the bold beginning still additive for you?
Rosana 58:33
The bold beginnings was definitely helped fill in, like this is what we can really do, you
Scott Benner 58:38
know? Okay, took you from maybe more basic ideas to something a little deeper. Yeah, yeah, awesome. I'm glad, and I'm glad he's doing well, that's awesome. I hope he gets back to playing soccer. That would be I mean, I hate soccer, but I if he likes it, I'm okay with it. By the way, hates a strong word. I just don't understand it. It seems like track and field without purpose. It's a lot of running, a lot of running, not a lot of scoring, that's what I'm saying. Yeah. Nevertheless, those of you love it, I'm not saying you shouldn't love it. Continue on, and please stop sending emails saying, Stop talking badly about soccer, because that happens a lot. I just don't like soccer. It's no shade. It was really nice of you to share this. I know that was a really difficult thing to talk about. And then you talked about some personal stuff, which was, was really kind of you. I'm sure you're not nearly the only person living through, you know, being still young and viable, but feeling older and, you know, I mean, listen, we didn't really say it out loud, but what you're thinking, and that didn't say, is that, like people my age, the good ones are probably taken it's a lot of picking through the others to find the ones that are left, right, right, yeah, well, but if you don't pick, you won't find and I guarantee they're good people out there. Yeah, that's, that's the hope, yeah. And if not, you can always use male escorts. There's nothing wrong with that. Did they exist? And I. I, you know, I don't know. Hey, have you actually, like, lived through a heart like a tornado?
Rosana 1:00:05
I mean, not one that's actually hit me, but gone overhead and I curved it? I mean, I've been here most of my life, so they're always close frightening on a scale of one to 10. I don't get frightened by those kinds of things. Interesting, but definitely, I mean, sounded like a train coming,
Scott Benner 1:00:26
yeah, just cruising down the coming at you from, like, just a direction, yeah? So that doesn't scare you, but you do worry about things that could happen to my kids that don't exist. You always like that. Or was that after you had babies, after I had babies, for sure. Yeah, that's a, it's a God's little joke there. Yeah, yeah, I got you. All right.
Rosana 1:00:47
Well, I mean, yeah, even the ones that are grown up and out of the house,
Scott Benner 1:00:51
oh, good news. You don't stop worrying about them. Never. Jesus. All right. Well, this is good not spend the rest of my life doing that. I guess, Rosanna, you were really nice to do this. I know this was difficult for you, so I appreciate it very much. Thank you. Yep, hold on one second for
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