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Tammy, a 51-year-old probation officer from Manitoba with T1D, opens up about outdated care, online toxicity, and how the podcast finally taught her what 30 years of doctors didn’t.
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Scott Benner 0:00
Here we are back together again, friends for another episode of The Juicebox podcast.
Tammy 0:15
Hello. My name is Tammy. My dad had type one diabetes. They wouldn't discharge me from Children's Hospital until my mom could give me insulin. If
Scott Benner 0:25
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Tammy 2:28
Hello. My name is Tammy, and I'm from Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada.
Scott Benner 2:33
Oh, no kidding, I didn't know. Did you know The National Food of Canada is poutine? Yes, I did. Oh, I didn't know that, but I did learn it in a Buzzfeed last
Tammy 2:43
night. Did you know that Winnipeg is the Slurpee capital of the world?
Scott Benner 2:46
Slurpee like frozen slushy drinks? Yeah, yes. Is the irony that you don't need a machine to make it. They just are made outside
Tammy 2:54
our backyard. Yeah? Just go outside or some flavoring on the snow. Yeah, yeah. You
Scott Benner 3:00
just go outside with a bucket and yeah, and a little maple syrup and water and star, and you shake it, and there you go. Yeah. How old were you? You're diagnosed with type one diabetes. I was four, yeah, 26 years ago, four years old in Manitoba, yes. Oh, hell. What did they give you there? Did they just rub a seal on you? What did they do?
Tammy 3:21
No, they did not. We were at the Shrine Circus. I've heard this story 7000 times, and we lived in a small town, and we came into Winnipeg to go to the Shrine Circus. I was rushed to Children's Hospital. It's a whole story there. But to make a long story short, my dad had type one diabetes, oh, and he was diagnosed at 25 and I guess what happened was, after, you know, we learned what needed to be, they wouldn't discharge me from Children's Hospital until my mom could give me insulin. Okay? And like my mom, like she just couldn't do that. So finally, I guess she told herself, you know, like, I have to do this. You know, my daughter's coming home, and that's it, right? So finally she did, but I think it was one of the hardest things for my mom to have to give me an injection,
Scott Benner 4:13
a real struggle for Yeah, did she have a needle phobia, or did she feel weirdly about actually, like, the way she probably saw it, like, hurting you, or like,
Tammy 4:21
Yeah, I think Yeah. I think she just couldn't believe that she had to do this to her daughter, like it was just awful. But when I was diagnosed, everyone laughs at this. What happened here? I guess my mom was devastated. My dad was devastated, and I was just grinning, you know, because I was going to be just like my dad now, oh no, no, I'm just like, Oh God no, Kenny,
Scott Benner 4:48
I don't think we should laugh through this I saw recently. Here's an example recently where the internet did not let me down. This lovely person posted a picture of a note that their child. Child had written in school, and it was a really heartfelt letter from a little kid about how alone they felt because other people in their family had diabetes and they didn't I read that? Did you see that note?
Tammy 5:17
Nearly in tears. Oh, my God,
Scott Benner 5:20
I'm reading this. I'm like, I gotta get out of this game. Like, I'm like, I can't take this anymore. What a sad thing you would never consider the kid without diabetes. Is like, why are you people leaving me out of this yet? You know,
Tammy 5:35
dare you. Yeah.
Scott Benner 5:36
Oh, I was, I was heartbroken. I read that. My God. So the thing you felt is not crazy, like, oh my god, I'm like, my dad now. Oh, no, kidding. Did it always feel like that? Did that stick with you? Or did you realize how ridiculous that was? At some point you were like,
Tammy 5:54
the last thing I'd like to have in common with my dad, you
Scott Benner 5:58
know what? Why did I pick his love of cars, exactly. Oh, what do you remember about your management as a child? I think I, you
Tammy 6:07
know what? I was always a rule follower and structure routine was my life like I couldn't change things like by a minute, I was very structured. Did what I was supposed to do. I see people writing about how they remember their A, one CS when they were 11. Like I don't remember a single a, 1c I do remember my endo at the time. I think she gave me a hard time one day, and I left there in tears. I don't know why I was there on my own, because usually my mom attended with me, and my mom got on the phone called bendo,
Scott Benner 6:46
I'm gonna stab you if you make my daughter cry again.
Tammy 6:53
No, and I guess it whatever it was, you know, I guess I was so upset. I don't know if that she scared me or what it was, but the next time I walked in, she was like, Good morning, Tammy, let's talk about your diabetes today. It was so funny, but I think at one time I remember, I'm so embarrassed to say it now, like I was writing sugars in because I had my black book. You know, you had to keep all your sugars written in a book, because there was no technology the way it is today. And I was like, oh gosh, I have an endo appointment. Oh, shoot. You know, I haven't written anything down in two and a half months. There I start doing this, and I can only imagine what she thought when I opened this, you know, when she opened this book and there this, this is all written in the same like, hello, Tammy, your a 1c just might show what you really are. But you know, I really I don't remember a lot about that, but I'm probably better. I don't where's your health at today? I'm doing well. What does that mean? I'm 51 years old. No complications. Awesome. I consider that pretty darn good. Doesn't mean I don't worry. Do you
Scott Benner 8:04
have any other autoimmune issues? No, I do not nothing. How about in the family, besides your father, of course. No, oh, just the two of you of type one. Yeah? Awesome. Lucky it, yeah? Well, I mean, listen, it's better than having a bunch of other stuff, obviously. But yeah, I'm sorry if that triggered people who have other
Tammy 8:21
things. I was just gonna say, Oh, hold on. I mean, my God, there's nothing wrong with having other immune issues.
Scott Benner 8:28
Can I take a sidebar for a second? Yeah, I don't know how old I was. I was in my 20s, and Howard Stern had been on the radio for a while, okay, and I had been listening since I was a junior in high school, maybe whenever he came to Philadelphia, I started listening. And, I mean, I think I listened every day. I mean, he used to put on five hour shows. Like, by the way, can I take a sidebar from my sidebar for a second? I love all these people running around, like, like, Oh, my podcast is so influential. Like, I You're all lucky. I consider doing this. And like, you know, like, I sit down and speak long for him. And nobody's ever done this before. Howard Stern has been doing it forever, okay, like, he's got the first podcast, like, and there's other guys too. There's Phil Hendry, and there's other people who've been doing talk radio for a really long time that have done it really well. Like, you know what? You don't even have to agree with this politics. And I'm not gonna say where I am one way or the other. But you know who was amazing? Rush Limbaugh sat down and spoke into a microphone for hours with nobody else there. That's hard to do. You know who does that now? Bill Burr, the comedian, has a podcast. I think he does it weekly. He just talks and it's entertaining, and he goes at it for hours. My point is, is your podcast is not a new idea. These people were doing it in the 60s and the 70s, and there were probably people doing it before that. Well, maybe not back then, it was just deep voice guys doing soap commercials, right? Like, hey. Like, so anyway, my point is is that, like, podcasters are not a new thing, and it's just a way of talking long form. Going back to my first turn off, you need. Need this conversation. You need Tammy to come on here and tell her story and her story like it's not fun, like diabetes sucks. And I have a unique perspective, because I get to intersect with people who listen and are really helped by the podcast. And I'm going to tell you, what they tell me is that they listen to an episode, they hear a few things that are valuable for them as far as management goes, but the rest of it is somehow comforting or uplifting or something or the other, and they only listen because it's entertaining. I'm having a conversation with somebody recently who asked me, like, do you think this is kind of like a business conversation? Like, do you think the ADA should be doing this. I was asked Yeah, and I said no, because no one will care about it and as it, because it'll be bland and in bullet points and written by six different doctors and then edited by four more doctors, and it'll be perfect. No one's gonna care enough to read through it like so, believe it or not, this dumb conversation that Abby and I are having at the end of it, she's gonna say something about her life or diabetes. She maybe already did. Maybe it's the story about the little boy who felt left out. Who knows what you're gonna take from it, but you won't listen to it if it's dry and boring. That's the thing I'm doing, like it or not like I am telling you stories and letting people tell their stories. And you're here because you're entertained by it. Is everyone entertained by it? They're not. That's fine. Those people won't get the thing, but I can only deliver it one way. That's all I had. Tommy, I'm sorry, what do I want to know? I don't know. No, no, I know. Don't worry. I know what I want to know. Okay, your dad's got type one. He's managing it one way. Are you managing it the same way? No, no, and not at all. And, and is that just because generationally, you came a generation after.
Tammy 12:03
I think maybe that's part of the reason. Okay,
Scott Benner 12:06
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Tammy 14:28
I did a lot. Yes, my dad passed away in 2021, so yes, I every time I got something new or learned something new, I did tell him, but you know, he was still, my dad was still of the opinion that watermelon was very high in sugar. So you should really watch how much you eat, because you could, you know, you could be a diabetic. You know, he said to my niece once, my sister was, we're all sitting at the table. And so that's what exactly she was eating watermelon. And he said, Oh, that's a lot. Don't forget, watermelon has sugar. You don't want to eat too much. And my sister was like, Dad, that's not how you get, you know, type one like, you know, he came from it the old school. When he was 25 years old, the doctor told him not to eat sugar. So he stopped putting sugar in his coffee, stopped putting sugar in his whatever. Drank a liter of orange juice a day, and all of a sudden, it's to all his teeth fell out.
Scott Benner 15:25
Wait, you're telling me that he stopped using sugar in his coffee, but didn't see that there was sugar in orange juice, because it's fruit.
Tammy 15:31
Well, he just the doctor said, you know, don't use sugar. Oh, okay. Oh, he took that burger, you know, he didn't use he didn't put it over his cereal, didn't whatever. But, you know, and, and that's how it was,
Scott Benner 15:44
he didn't understand from the jump what he was talking about,
Tammy 15:48
right? But again, he was a real rule follower as well. Rule follower as well. You know, he was very, you know, took his insulin, was supposed to do whatever. It's not that he didn't do that stuff, right? It's just, you know, finally, he used the pen rather than a needle. And I was like, oh, there is a God, thank you. That was his big upgrade. Yeah, that was the big revolution. He's
Scott Benner 16:13
like, I'm gonna, am I yelling, by the way, I'm sorry, but, like, that was his that was, maybe she moved the microphone farther for me, that was his big upgrade. He went to
Tammy 16:21
pen. Things have evolved. Yeah, he was used to leave a bottle of r, right, you know, in his trunk. Like, he didn't think, oh, it's going to be 180 degrees in there. Yeah, it was just, it was very different. And some days were harder than others, you know, yeah, with that, you know, he took the same amount insulin. It didn't matter if he had, you know,
Scott Benner 16:42
just didn't matter. I'm gonna take three of these supposed to have a starch.
Tammy 16:47
Still called it starch, you know. Like,
Scott Benner 16:49
can you hear him saying this in your head right now? Oh, yeah. 100% Yeah. Oh, so what's he got to have a starch? What else? What's he gonna
Tammy 16:56
do? A starch, a fruit. But he can't have fruit after six or something like it was the, you know, Canadian Food Guide, you know, 1978 right? That's just how it was, yeah,
Scott Benner 17:10
yeah, I hear you. But how long did he live with type one? He passed away at 79 Well, god damn it worked. Everybody. Get out there. Have a starch, a fruit, and don't eat after six or whatever. He just dead And damn, for God's sake, don't put, don't put sugar in your coffee. You'll live forever. 7179 Jesus, that's not a bad run, is it?
Tammy 17:28
Well, 75 he was on dialysis.
Scott Benner 17:31
That part wasn't great. Okay, so he made it to 75 without having, without
Tammy 17:36
complications, any. Yeah, no complications, nothing. I'll
Scott Benner 17:40
tell you. I think that cold helps you, it keeps you picked up somehow. You know exactly? Yeah, you can't even like, your cells can't even change. They're just like, they're too busy shivering,
Tammy 17:50
right? That's why we can't have more than one autoimmune
Scott Benner 17:54
Yeah, you can't get in once the Shivering starts. How's it get
Tammy 17:57
through layers of clothing? Yeah? Well, that's exactly right, right?
Scott Benner 18:01
Tammy, you understand how medicine works, yeah? Like, by the way, don't listen to me. I'm just the father of a kid with type one diabetes. I don't even have it. Like, you shouldn't listen to me at all. I don't know. What do I know? I've been mismanaging it forever. Terrible. Yeah, my daughter in the other room with, like, a low six, a, 1c, while she's in college right now, you know, healthy as a horse, it's me. I'm the bad guy. I don't know. I can't I'm sorry. It's so infrequent. Honestly, I don't even think I should mention it for every one note that I get, there's literally 1000 other ones that come where people are just like, Thank you for sharing this. I'm doing great. Like, you know, I'm doing great because of this information. I hear that so frequently I have to remind myself how wonderful it is sometimes. Like, imagine something so wonderful being said to you so often that you have to remind yourself it's wonderful. Like, that's the really lovely position that I'm in. Then to have somebody come along and go, No, that's not true. Actually, you're a piece of, okay, sorry, and like, and back in the day, like, maybe you'd be like, Oh, God, that sucks. But I think it just caught me last night, like I was so tired that I let it in for a second. If that means something or not, I know I'm now being transparent about that, and I'm sure that I'm a bad person for that. Now too, I will say this. I want to say something I don't think, even though the internet would say differently, I don't think that's most people. I really don't I just think that's enough people that you see online that it feels pervasive. But I really don't think that's true. I don't think that most people are not seeing other people's perspectives. I don't think that most people are being mean to other people, like, like, I hope not in your day to day life. Do you see any of that outside of the internet? Like, do you see people just being to each
Tammy 19:50
other? No, I don't think so. No, I think the internet is just, you don't have to identify yourself. You can say whatever you want. There's no consequence, really, right? Yeah. Yeah, I think that's half the problem. Yeah.
Scott Benner 20:02
And let's be clear again, you're a probation officer, so you're saying, No, I think the world's a pretty decent place. And I talk to people all day long who have been in prison or jail.
Speaker 1 20:11
Oh, yeah, really bad things. Yeah, yeah.
Scott Benner 20:15
Can I ask you? Do you ever get involved with somebody who's done something terrible and you find yourself thinking, I like this person every day, yeah? And that's something, yeah. Like, some people are habitual. I understand that. But for those who aren't, what do you think it is? Do you think it's just a bad moment sometimes? Like, how do people get in those situations? Tammy,
Tammy 20:37
I think the upbringing, you know, we're, we're not born bad or, Okay, I better. I don't want to be a trigger here. I don't, I don't believe you're born bad. You've seen something, you've grown up a certain way. You know, sociologic, you know, your your environment, right? Yeah, whatever it may be, psychological, there are reasons people do what they do. You know? It's just like they say racism. It's learned behavior. You're not born racist.
Scott Benner 21:17
If somebody says something to you and it sticks to you, and then it doubles, and before you know it, it's your identity too.
Tammy 21:25
Yeah, addiction, if some you know if, if all you've seen is addiction your whole life, why wouldn't you drink or use illegal drugs? You know, if all you've seen is violence when you're angry, well, why wouldn't you? You know, and it's very easy to say, you know, they shouldn't have no they shouldn't have perfect, but if you don't know any better or any different, I shouldn't say better different. You know, it's really not hard to believe,
Scott Benner 21:52
right, in a perfect situation, you would think, why did they not know not to do this? Or why did they not stop themselves, etc, so on, but just absolutely, like, they didn't have enough or the right kind of input to stop them in that situation, or to even have them avoid it at all. But it doesn't necessarily make them a bad person, right?
Tammy 22:13
No, I always, I say to anyone that says, you know, because you know, you see a lot of things on the internet, people are saying why? You know about jail, and they should be doing this and this and that and all these punishments. And everyone's got something to say, but you know, you really don't know where the person comes from. And I'm not saying it's right what someone does, yeah, but it's not so cut and dry, right? Is that, you know, yeah, they chose to do this, or they chose to do that. There's a few more factors
Scott Benner 22:44
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Tammy 25:30
Well, we we teach in one of our groups socialization, and the first thing we say is, who did you learn from? Teachers, parents, grandparents, siblings. Well, for the first let's say, 15 years of your life, if not more, those are the important people, right? So you've learned a lot in that time. And you know, those are your formative years. They say males brains don't develop fully until they're 25 I mean, there's a lot of learning going on, right? And you're with, if you're with people who are doing things that we would consider wrong and possibly illegal, chances are they're not always going to be doing the right thing, right? At 26 years old, right?
Scott Benner 26:16
I'm taken back to one of my after dark episodes, yes, where a girl talks about her dad passing away from a fentanyl overdose, and she says it in such a matter of fact way, it's normalized. It struck me. It has how normal it was to her, yeah, yeah, really, like, heartbreaking, you know, she's a lovely girl. Like she just, she really is, you know, she sticks with me right there, like, that moment, like the way she was, just like, I don't know, she said it, like, you know, my dad walked through the room and took off his slippers, like it was so just like, almost a throwaway line. And I know that's not, I know she's not. I don't it's not a throw away to her, their father passed away. Like, I'm not saying that, of course, but like, in the manner it happened, it just wasn't shocking enough. The number of times somebody says something that, I think, like, why are you not shocked by this? The reason is probably what you outlined. They don't know to be shocked by it. They know to be comfort, almost comforted by it, because it's normal. You know, how much is alcohol involved in people's sliding ending up talking to you one day,
Tammy 27:23
usually, whether you know addiction or drugs or alcohol in excess, it's quite often
Scott Benner 27:30
not a lot of pieces of paper you pick up that don't say it on there somewhere, right? Yeah,
Tammy 27:34
right, yeah. Well, it's coping mechanism, right, right, yeah. So what do we do? Self medicate. Oh gosh, don't you tell me we have an hour this could take. This is like my old career.
Scott Benner 27:48
No, Tommy's like, condoms. Condoms are the answer. Everybody gets up. Don't get me started on that one. Yeah, we just need for no one to have babies for a while so we can calm down.
Tammy 28:00
All right? I don't know. I think I don't know. I think we just need to look know a lot more than we do. I think, you know in school, because I kind of specialize more so in domestic violence. Or I think they say in the States, intimate partner violence. Is that? What they're calling it now? Well, IPv, but we consider domestic violence all violence, so that includes family violence as well, from like sisters or brothers or whatever it may be. But you know, you learn all these things in school when you're growing up, whatever calculus and this and that,
Scott Benner 28:38
and nobody teaches you how to talk to people or no
Tammy 28:41
one shows you sort of healthy relationships. Communication skills. You know, these kinds of skills aren't taught. Yeah? Life Skills, yeah, communication. I mean, if you don't have communication, every aspect of your life is going to be problematic, right? Yep. So how do we kind of miss that as we're being raised, if you're not hearing that at home? Like, when do you learn that when you get fired because you told off your boss for the first time, you know? Like, I don't, you know. I just think, yeah, there needs to be a lot of learning done, teaching and,
Scott Benner 29:20
yeah, getting away from life skills was, I mean, is a real weird thing to me. You know, balancing your checkbook and making dinner and sewing a button on and, like, stuff that, like, comes up day after day that I see people go, I don't know how to do this. You know, I'm stunned at, like, some of the things they don't know how to do. And I'm stunned by the way that I know how to do some things that somehow didn't get passed to my kids. Sometimes, you look at them and they're like, I'm like, Oh God, they, they don't know how to do that. That's crazy. But where did I learn it? Did I learn it from? Sometimes, from just hard times, and you had, you had to, like, I guess so. But I look back like, I can work. I'm not a. Master woodworker, but I can work with wood. I can work with metal. I can cook, I can sew. Like, these are things I was literally taught in middle school, the way to get by I was taught. I was taught at the end of middle school, the beginning of high school, like, how to balance my my bank account. Like to make sure that, you know, the amount of money I thought was in there was actually in there. Not big finance stuff, but like, why not teach people how money works? And why are people having to come to like, Jenny and I just got done making a nutrition episode, like, a series like, to explain to people that, like, just because it goes in your mouth and comes out your ass doesn't mean it was food. I say it like that, but they don't really know. Like, some of them, like, they they think Doritos are, are corn and cheese. They're not Tammy, really, no, but that's not a thing everyone knows. And who's going to tell you that? Like if, if you go to the grocery store when you're six and your parents are throwing 19 cases of soda in the cart and a bunch of stuff in boxes and bags, well then to you, that's food. And if you don't die after you eat it, then that's food. And if you if you're sick, or you gain a crazy amount of weight or something like that, you just think, well, that's what life is like. That's how it works.
Tammy 31:12
But they were taught, that's what you know, that's what they saw, right? And to them, it's better than someone else who doesn't even have that, because then there's the other person who's saying, oh my gosh, I wish I had that. I
Scott Benner 31:23
can't afford it.
Tammy 31:24
Yeah, go on and on and on, right?
Scott Benner 31:28
Like, so you can, you can not excuse it, but you can justify it the whole way. Like, you know, and listen, there are big ideas. Like, there's a lot of people in the world. It's, you know, probably the industrialized farming and things like that probably were necessary. I don't know I wasn't there, but it's got us here, like we are where we are now. But along the way, everyone stopped thinking about food like food. If you don't see the connection between this and diabetes, I'm being too obtuse, and I don't mean to be everything's tools, whether it's not ending up with Tammy at a parole board or not. Oration, what's that? Probation? Excuse me.
Tammy 32:05
Excuse me. Parole is federal probation, prevention.
Scott Benner 32:09
I'm sorry. It was 2p words, Tommy, I'm doing my I know everybody mixes it up. Tommy's like, this is the bane of my existence. People say in probation when they mean parole. Okay, gotta be people. I gotta correct on this a day, but like, but whether it's you ending up with Tammy because you're on parole, or it's you're on a face, you not let me be funny for five seconds, or you're on a Facebook group arguing with somebody that they have privilege because they're not as sad as you are. Or you don't know how to Pre-Bolus for your meal because the doctor these are all just different tools. Let me be clear. I understand that what the person wrote is upsetting to people who don't have the thing they have. I get that, but it's in the way we respond that is important. And I understand that if your a 1c is 13 because no one told you that fat makes your blood sugar go up, or Pre-Bolus your meals, or the extent of what they told you is don't put sugar in your coffee. Yeah, that's not your fault. You need those tools like so like, go get those tools. That's not what happens. We end up in a gas station sticking a gun in somebody's face. We end up in a Facebook group telling somebody off, where we end up with an A 1c that's 13. I know I don't have diabetes, but you end up with an A 1c that's 13, and you're dying faster than you should, and we're fighting there, instead of going back and getting the tools and then restarting the journey. Is that the human condition like do some people make it and some people don't, and that's just what it is. Or can we throw a rope to those people and pull them up here where somebody knows something more like that's my contention, is that those people can just be fast forwarded to where they need to be, and then let them continue to live their lives from there with good tools and good ideas, whether they're about how to talk to people or how to Bolus for your food. You know, Tammy thing, don't stab somebody in a bar. Probably,
Tammy 34:09
by the way, come talk to me first. We'll go over some emotion regulation.
Scott Benner 34:14
So is that what happens is that once they get to you, you're going to try to teach them how to get back into the world. So this doesn't happen again. Some
Tammy 34:22
people, I can do that with. Other people I work with the highest risk individuals, so it's a different unit. So a lot of people I work with, maybe we just have to make sure they have the necessities of life. Okay, you know, we we are do as much as we can, but I'm not able to go through an entire program, you know, one to one with them on emotion regulation, or whatever it may be. I see, you know, they're just getting by. You know,
Scott Benner 34:52
are some people redeemable, but not like, are there some people you feel like you just
Tammy 34:56
can't get to? Don't know if it's that you can't or it's. Just they won't let you we don't have, no, maybe we don't have the tools. Okay? You know, a probation officer can't fix everything. Sure. You know, you may need psychiatry, you may need psychology, you may need, you know, there's a lot of things that are needed, so I don't know that. You know it can't you know, some people over what if it's they have a, you know, cognitive levels, or, you know, they have a cognitive disability, or whatever it may be,
Scott Benner 35:28
right? Yeah, there's just a lot of different reasons why it may or may not.
Tammy 35:32
I don't know if it's just such a cut and dry, easy question to just say yes or no,
Scott Benner 35:36
yeah, right. There's, there's people who could be helped, but this situation is not going to line up for them, and there's and there are people who are going to resist, then maybe there's a way around that resistance, but there's not enough time or resources to do it, and so you try to give them enough life skills to hopefully keep them from falling back into that situation again, right,
Tammy 35:54
from hurting anyone else, or, you know, being a safety concern, safety risk to, You know, society
Scott Benner 36:01
of people that hurt other people. What percentage of them mean to hurt them, and what percentage of them is it just an outcome that wasn't like, premeditated?
Tammy 36:10
I really, I don't know. Yeah, what about well, that's fair question, though. What's that like if I'm seeing these people like I'm seeing people my caseload once a week, every you know, every week I see and you know, I can't just focus on the offense or what you know. How do you you have to be able to have, you know, meaningful conversations and whatever. So you kind of put the offense aside. Okay, you know, deal with the person. John Doe talking with Tammy, and we're discussing, you know, how they spent their spare time, yeah, that kind of a thing. We're not, like, I can't focus on who they hurt. How old were they? How old was the victim? You know, like, I can't, you know, you wouldn't be able to do the job you do, yeah, if that's what you concentrated on, how many people they heard, what's their criminal history? You know,
Scott Benner 37:03
it's it doesn't matter. You have to do what you have to do,
Tammy 37:06
right? This is my client, and it doesn't matter what they've done, whether I you know how I feel about it, we have to just, you know, I supervise their probation order, and I get to know them quite well.
Scott Benner 37:20
How long have you been doing this? I think it's been about
Tammy 37:23
12 years. I was with the just Justice Department for, I think 15 years. How long do you
Scott Benner 37:29
think you can do this for before you just one day wake up and go, You know what? I'm going to go hide in the woods. I gotta get out of here. Oh,
Tammy 37:34
I'll do it forever, really, if they'll keep me
Scott Benner 37:38
Tammy like unless I get fired, which I'm not saying can't happen. Very rewarding. Why are you so, like, attracted to it?
Tammy 37:47
I think somewhat is a bit of an adrenaline rush. Like, I like the somewhat chaos, organized chaos of it. No, it's not rewarding at all, really. You know, one client, maybe two in 15 years, said, you know, called me after they completed, you know, after their order expired, and said, You know, I just want to thank you. Yeah, you know, no, we don't. This is not a rewarding. It's you don't enter this because you want to be rewarded. Not at
Scott Benner 38:18
all. I think I should hire you to manage the Facebook group. Yeah,
Tammy 38:22
I'm not good in management. He's
Scott Benner 38:25
like, I'd just be yelling at everybody too. Yeah, 10 minutes in it, I'd be like, I'd be the only one working,
Tammy 38:31
and exactly within 15 minutes, don't say the right thing. Okay, thank you for coming out. Yeah,
Scott Benner 38:39
it would be so easy to manage a group by just, like, like, just banning everybody that caused you a problem. But I don't do that like. I really do try to, like, manage it almost the way you're talking about, like, get people
Tammy 38:51
to do it. And you do, you find ways to, you know, to have these conversations. And you know, you don't focus on what's irritating you or, you know, right? You're truly feeling you,
Scott Benner 39:05
you know, often I want to be like, you know, I have an opinion about this too. You don't see me arguing with you. I'm just telling you, please be kind to people. Be nice. Don't put them in a position where they feel like, you know, the thing they think is not welcome here, because it is. I love it. When people come in and they're like, that's not what this place is for. This place is for. I'm always like, I'll tell you what the place is for. It's not up to you. If you want a place that's for something, you go make your own place and then run it any way you want. You know, I think the other side of it is, is that sticking up for what's like, common sense and right that intersects well with most people, like most people say, like, if you don't like me personally, I understand that. But if you don't like the way that I moderate that board, then I do believe it's you're having the problem, because I am trying incredibly hard to be midline and not on anybody's side. Mm. You get to say what you want to say, and they get to say what they want to say, and we say it nicely to each other. And if you know, like but it does sometimes feel like you're talking to a five year old, which is crazy. It feels like you're running up to somebody and going, No, then going, this is what we do, right? You know, when she hands her that you take it from her nicely and say thank you, or, you know, blah blah. I don't know. I don't understand. Like, I guess it's, I know I'm all over the place, but I'm also willing to think I'm wrong. And I think sometimes that's maybe more important than being right, yeah, just being able to say, like, I might not be right about this, but like, this is how I feel this. If this jives well with you, hang out here. I think you'll like it here. And if you don't, you know, if you if you think that you should be able to be to somebody, I made a list, where the hell is it at? Did I lose it? I made a list of, oh, God, I can't even tell you what I call it. I made a list of terms I've seen online I think are ridiculous. I don't know how to explain exactly that when you start telling somebody that they're gatekeeping, or you're gaslighting them, or this is a microaggression, or, you know, I'm seeing a lot of toxic competitiveness here, I just think you're out of your mind when I hear you're saying stuff like that, whether it's actually, I mean, I don't, I don't, not believe it's Not happening. I just want to say that like I do believe that most of these things happen. I think the way you talk about it is ridiculous when you start. I think we name things so we can be mad about them, or throw them in somebody's face or or whatever. You know what I mean. So anyway, your privilege is showing to use another word triggered me. I don't know we said it earlier. Just like, I don't agree with you, it's okay, you know, like, and move on. Your job is is really cool, though. Like, I know I'm all over the place. This is not my
Tammy 41:54
fault. It is, it is. It's really interesting. I always say we could have a reality show, or when I retire, I'm going to write a book. Because, like, no one would believe some of the things that go on.
Scott Benner 42:05
Yeah. What would the book be called? Where do you hear this? Oh, gosh, no. I Yeah, no,
Tammy 42:09
something like that. Like, if you only knew, like, something I don't know, I I'd have to get my office to, we'd all have to, you know, brainstorm and come up with it. But you know, I was thinking when you were saying about how the Doritos thing, and people didn't know this and that I I've kind of changed my thinking on something. When I'm reading your posts or your website and different posts, and people are saying how, you know, they're upset because of, maybe I don't know the nurse in school, the EA, whatever it may have been, didn't this and that and the next, and initially, when I first, you know, when I was reading your posts, I was like, I giggled. I thought, Well, gosh, if you only knew what it was like when I was in school. Yeah, you know, there was no such thing as the nurse. The EA, my mom dropped me off, crossed your fingers and hoped all went well till 330 when I, you know, walked off the bus. We're
Scott Benner 43:05
Canadian, where most of us are. Most of us are on our insulin because there's no nurse at the school.
Tammy 43:12
Okay? Triggering, No, I'm joking,
Scott Benner 43:15
but Tammy, that's the thing I've learned from the podcast. Is that school systems that don't have, like, when you think, like, in 2025 How is somebody diagnosed and put on, like, like, regular and mph. How does that happen? It happens because they want you to give a shot before you leave. That's gonna cover lunch and get you home. And so in a lot of not a lot, but there are some Canadian provinces they give out that insulin for that exact reason. Still, that's actually true. I know I'm not just joking about Canva. I did say Provence, weird to say,
Tammy 43:47
Do I correct that or no? People can say what they want, even if it's wrong. You
Scott Benner 43:54
just sound like you're from Detroit, by the way. Oh, really.
Tammy 43:56
Oh, I don't know. I don't know what people from Detroit sounds like, no, but like, in 1980 there was no such thing as, you know, someone helping you, and that kind of thing. I always say, like, so what's the big deal? You know, whatever. And I guess one day I did comment, and it was, it wasn't rude, it was just, I now I'm saying that I sound just like everybody else. Go ahead, but it was just more that I didn't under, like I didn't understand why everyone was so panicked about it. And the person actually kind of said to me, Well, just because we used to use a washboard to wash our clothes doesn't mean today we don't use a washer and dryer. You can't improve this, right? Should we go back to it? Like, I was like, Oh my gosh. I felt so bad. You know, here I'm
Scott Benner 44:44
to you, right? Yes,
Tammy 44:47
it did. So now I yeah, I understand why people, you know, and if you have an EA, if you have a nurse, if you have a whole team, you know, all the power to you. And you're so lucky. You know, I have changed. My thinking in that way, and I'm glad because, no, we don't want to go back to using a washboard, right?
Scott Benner 45:05
But you were able to have that moment because you were open to having it, and because the person did not start with you by going, Oh, your privilege is showing Tammy, right? Yeah, yeah, or something, because they just said, look, there's your experience. Hey, here's ours. And you thought, Oh, that makes sense. And then, and it changed, you right? Am I right? Like you, you would not
Tammy 45:28
know why? Yeah, I felt it was a good learning experience, exactly, you know. And now I'm, you know, I yeah, I'm able to understand,
Scott Benner 45:38
yeah, had they said you were engaging in a micro aggression or gaslighting them about their experience.
So that person, did you the favor of just responding back the way? I mean, how is this all coming together so perfectly, even though this has been such a show of, yeah, it really did come together nicely, didn't it? How about that? We should stop right here. Because I'm like, That's so perfect. I'm like, I can't believe you told that story. I was like, awesome redemption.
Tammy 46:13
I was really resentful after I, you know, I listened to the podcast and I learned again, I'm embarrassed to say, but I didn't know about pre bolusing. I grew up thinking Huma log work 15 minutes after you took it, and it was the fastest, you know, it was so fast and, you know, protein, if I was high after I had butter popcorn for the movie, it was because popcorn hits me hard, yeah, you know, I really, I didn't know those things. And, I mean, it wasn't a one year after diagnosis. I'm talking 30 years, yeah, yeah. And I was, like, I was angry. How did I not know this? Like, you know I was Yeah, I was really angry. And I still, I think I have some resentment towards the whole medical system because
Scott Benner 47:02
of it, yeah, who were you angry at? Please. I don't know if it's
Tammy 47:05
I, if I blamed my city, my province, overall medical system. I don't know. But I just thought, you know what? I go to these appointments, or I go to these. You know, my my family was one of the four families that started at the time it was called the juvenile diabetes foundation. Then it was JDRF, and now it's type one breakthrough, type one Earth. I don't even know the name. I don't
Scott Benner 47:29
know why they I bet you they don't know why either. We were
Tammy 47:33
very in a very involved family in diabetes. And I thought, well, how on earth could I be this age and not know that, yeah, like, all these years I didn't understand, you know, how could that be? Is everyone like this, blah, blah, blah. And, yeah, I've, I've learned a lot good. I'm glad that's awesome. Yeah, I'm really thankful that I happened, you know, upon come across this or hear about it from someone and, yeah, I'm making big changes. Good for you, or I have made big changes.
Scott Benner 48:06
Yeah, it's awesome. So I'm not a terrible person. You're saying terrible person. I mean this, this review. I thought I was I thought I was Puff Daddy, but the way she was writing, I was like, Jesus, my goodness, I just told you how my weight loss went. How dare you? Yeah, no, not. I'm not kicking a girl in an elevator and drag her through a hotel like by the way, has anyone seen this Puff Daddy stuff? My god, he's going to jail. Am I wrong? And I think it's puff Diddy. Sean Sean Combs. P Diddy, not daddy, though. P Diddy, hey, was Puff Daddy. He's P Diddy, no, he's been, did he's been daddy's been Sean Puffy.
Tammy 48:43
Thing is, is too much for me, that whole story. It's
Scott Benner 48:47
when you change your name 17 times, something's going on exactly. Oh, my one time Snoop Dogg had to call himself Snoop Lion that was a, that was a contract thing that I understand. Okay, you don't know he did that. You accept it. I
Tammy 49:02
don't know he just
Scott Benner 49:04
came out one day. He's like, I'm Snoop Lion now I'm like, That ain't gonna work. But okay, he was making a legal distinction. They owned his name, or something like I was trying to get back. This is neither here nor there. What I'm saying is, is that what I feel like I'm hearing is I made a thing that made your life better? Is that correct? Oh, 100% I can't wait for someone to write a review that says that I'm arrogant for saying that.
Tammy 49:27
No, but it really I that was interesting to me, and I did, and I came back to hear more. And now I go through certain, you know, I scroll and see which ones. Oh, which 1am I having problem with, or this and that? Yeah, I put forth, you know, an effort, more so probably, than I ever did. I
Scott Benner 49:45
am so genuinely happy for you, and I am Thank you. Just congratulations. It's wonderful. Yeah, it's awesome. I don't know I just, I can anymore, I but I'm not going to let a few people like, I want to call them crazy. Crazy, by the way. I hope they know if they're listening, I want to call you crazy, but I know that's the wrong thing to do, but in 1978 I definitely would have called you crazy, right? I'm so vexed from growing up in a time where I would have just said to somebody like a dick, and having lived through this experience of making this podcast and knowing the thing that you just said about those people that end up at your desk. No one gets there by mistake, and it's not really your fault. You know, when you're out there writing a review about me that makes me sound like a felonious people herder, and then you hear Tammy story, like, please understand the position that puts me in. Like, I don't know what to say. Do you know what I mean? Like, all I can do is what I do. It intersected you in a certain way, which is awesome. I'm super happy for you. It intersected that person in a different way. But like, just like, I don't expect you to run around telling the whole world how awesome I am. I don't expect someone else to run around going like, I didn't intersect well with this. But they don't see it that way. They don't see it as like, he's got a way of speaking and a perspective, and he's sharing it, and I don't like it that being the thing it's you're wrong. And I guess that, like, somewhere between that comment, somebody made this post that I had to deal with this morning. And, you know, the fact that I'm a real person too, like, I just That's why this episode went this way. I can't be more transparent than that, like I am a person trying to help other people, and you hurt my feelings, like, and I don't mean that in like, a boo hoo, like, snowflake way. I mean like, you actually, like, it hit a nerve, yeah, you found a way to take a person who dedicates most of their life to helping other people, and you said to them, Hey, you're shitty for doing that. And I was like, Oh, okay. Like, if you want me to fire back, like, let me tell you something, Tammy, I'm a pretty bright guy. I could do other things. I could take how my brain works and go apply it to something else and be just as happy and just as successful somewhere else. I'm sorry if that's me showing my privilege about how my thoughts work. There's a moment where, like, if you wanted to hear what the little kid inside of me thinks when I see that, I think, Geez, just say thank you and get the away from me. I don't have to do this. Don't listen to it or say thanks and move on. But like, and it's not that I don't want constructive criticism. I take constructive criticism constantly. I can't believe I'm saying this, because I know I'm not supposed to say this. But like, I take her point that if you have an eating disorder that this was hard for you. It's not lost on me, and I won't forget what you said. But like, there was a nicer way to say it to me, I guess is the point. But
Tammy 52:36
if you said that to that person, they would think you said you would call them crazy. Well, they would call you crazy unless you acknowledge or believe that what you said was wrong. It's always going to be the other person. That's why we kind of, like in my job, will just we're not going to tell you you did something wrong, wrong. We're not going to keep doing that, because until you believe it or feel it. It's just a weight, like it's just nonsense.
Scott Benner 53:06
Yeah, yeah. Just sound like noise to them. No, I know like and again, even like and as frustrating as that must be, because it sounds like you're living through it every year for 15 minutes. Here's the crazy part. Is like the person who made that comment in another thread that led me to write that thing. I've already responded to them like a human being, and they've responded back to me like a human said, Hey, so I'm really sorry I like, I'll try not to use that phrase again. That was it, like they were just very I said to them, like, That phrase is, Listen, I have to blow it up for the sake of this conversation. Okay, like, so we can make the points and everything. What happened was, is it in another conversation, someone responded the way I described an hour ago, and I responded back and said, Hey, listen, like, you know you have some reasonable thoughts here. Like, I'm not saying otherwise, but you can't start this with like, you know your privilege is showing because nobody's gonna understand this way I started talking to you, and that person, while you and I are recording have already responded back to me and said, Hey, I'm really sorry. Like, I'm sorry, like, you know. And then I said, thank you. And they put a little heart on it, and we're all good. And if that person's listening to this right now, I'm not mad at you, like, and I don't think poorly of you at all. I genuinely mean that. Like, it's a lovely experience where at the end everybody gets to see it, and hopefully more than just that, person walks away thinking, yeah, that's not a cool thing to say to people, because they don't mean it that way. It's just become lexicon at this point. Your privilege is showing back in the day, but is biting commentary now. It's just the thing people say. It's almost like woke. Woke is almost a word that has no meaning anymore. It's been co opted by every person who's trying to like it almost means, like, I think you're wrong at this point, but at one point it actually had a meaning, like, we used it up and bastardized it so much that now it can mean anything. And when you're trying to oversee seven. 70,000 people talking to each other, you have to see that the only way through that is everybody counts. Everybody has an opinion. And if their opinion is weird or skewed or you think wrong, there is a way to talk to them about it where you can get to where I got with this person, which is, hey, you know, please hear the reasons why they say, I understand. I say, thank you. And it's over. It's just basic communication, like it's all it is. And anyway, I've lost the thread about how to bring it back to diabetes. But you know, just God,
Tammy 55:36
I do so I am coming back. I do think fault. I do believe you know it's their fault. I was thinking about that as you said that it's not someone's fault. Well, it is their fault, still, everyone's actions, they're responsible for your actions, right? Yeah,
Scott Benner 55:51
no, I agree with you. Like, that's a weird line right between like, that's nature nurture. Like, is it your fault that you're doing this? Or, Yes, like, you're an adult, you're doing it. You're standing in the gas station pointing the gun at the guy. This is your fault.
Tammy 56:06
Like, right? Like, no, it's not mine. Yeah,
Scott Benner 56:09
exactly. And I'm totally not taking that away, like, at all. You know what I mean, like, but it isn't unreasonable to take a step back, see the path that got them there, and try to help them into not this, not being their situation, another the next time. Right, right? Yeah, that's all. And they're nice people like you out there trying to do that. And apparently, me, I'm trying to
Tammy 56:30
clients would agree with you, but Well, no, I'm glad you think so. Well,
Scott Benner 56:34
I do think so, like, from a perspective of society, I think so, like, I'm not a criminal, so I don't have the problems they have, right? I know that's my privilege showing does everyone say I'm doing it with satire? Does everyone get it or not? I don't know. I believe that most people are listening going like, Yes, God, we get it, man, shut up like you figured, like, we agree with you. And the people who don't agree maybe aren't going to see it because they're steeped in it, like you said, like at the moment, like, that's until they What did you how did you say it, until they understand it's just going to wash over them and be nonsense, right,
Tammy 57:07
right? Until someone thinks they're wrong. You, it doesn't matter what you say,
Scott Benner 57:13
till they're willing to imagine they're wrong and listen to somebody else. Yeah, yeah. But you think they actually have to get to it. They actually have to go, oh god. I was like, You did in that post. You're like, oh God, about the nurse thing, I was wrong. Yeah,
Tammy 57:27
yeah, you have to, I mean, and it could take years and it or it could never
Scott Benner 57:31
happen, you know, to stay open minded. Is that the message? Well, I think
Tammy 57:35
that's really important. Yeah, I guess you can't be responsible for someone else's action. You know, you can only how you respond. Someone would say, if you write a bad comment, if someone writes a bad comment, and you respond, well, really, you're the one, because, yes, it's getting to you, so you're the one that needs to work on how to respond, right? Yeah, you know, I don't mean, I'm not saying you I'm just saying, in general, that's you know you can only you know you can work on yourself, and as long as you're being the best person you can be, I guess. What more can we ask for? Right?
Scott Benner 58:10
It's a grace cascade. Like, I'm serious, like you have to keep giving grace to people as you intersect with them, so even if someone starts off terribly. Yeah, you never know Hulk, yeah, yeah. So we don't know how they got there, right, but if you respond back gracefully and genuinely and kindly, then you'll probably get the outcome that I got right with this person.
Tammy 58:35
Yeah, maybe right. I'm not all the time, but yeah, someone might, yeah, see, oh well, they were kind to me. You know, maybe they haven't been no one's been that way to them before,
Scott Benner 58:45
exactly. Also, that's just online, like, I'm not, like, Listen, if the guy's pointing the gun at you, the gas station, responding with Grace is probably not going to get you anywhere. That won't be your first response. You don't reach out and go, Hey, man, I know your parents didn't give you the tools to get through life, and therefore, I'm not feeling bad about this right now. Like, I'm talking about online, talking about your goddamn diabetes with people,
Tammy 59:07
let's just talk about type one and call it a date. Yeah,
Scott Benner 59:10
right. Or, or maybe me even, like, you know, if I'm asking for it in return, like, if you're getting ready to say something terrible to me, like, what if you just reached out and said, Hey, I was listening to this thing, and it made me feel a certain way, because I have an eating disorder, and, you know, a lot of people with type one diabetes have an eating disorder, so don't say that. And I would respond back and tell you that, you know, a lot of people don't have an eating disorder, and they find this really valuable. And what are we going to do? Should we all just stop talking like that's going to be my perspective. You can agree with it or disagree with it, but at least I would at least I would know your perspective, and you would know my perspective. But instead, it turns into, like, just some kind of, like, kind of vicious, like, you know, attack that I can't really respond to. And back to my original point, who do they think they're telling like, what do you think you just fixed it? Like, oh no, everybody listening? You don't. Understand how this works, like you want me to be cynical for a second. Every person who thinks you're a snowflake for writing that is going to come listen to me now like you only make me stronger when you do those things. Right? There's a ton of examples in a ton of examples in pop culture where that
Tammy 1:00:17
happens, right, right, right. Any any publicity is good. But you know
Scott Benner 1:00:23
that line, or whatever, Tommy, exactly, all the sayings from the 70s work, fine. Yeah, people who think they're out there, I know this is even a thing anymore, really, but people you think you're out there canceling somebody you're not, no, you're literally making them stronger. For every person who dis who agrees with you, there's somebody who disagrees with you, and you just drove them over to that thing. There's the way that the world works, and you got to figure it out, or you're just yelling and screaming about something. It's never you're never going to fix it the way you're going about it. That, to me, is a little political, and I don't want to be political, so I'll
Tammy 1:00:58
stop if it has to do with diabetes, though, I think we all have to just really all come together and agree type one isn't the same as it used to be, and through all this technology and everything's evolved and it's changed, but also that means we've learned so Much more we didn't know about all this autoimmune, you know, like, I never knew what gluten intolerance, Hashimotos, like, I didn't know what any of that stuff, yeah, you know. And now we know so much more. So there's going to be so many more ideas and opinions. And 30 years from now, there's going to be a whole different set, you know, and they're gonna know more. And hopefully they won't have to, actually, hopefully
Scott Benner 1:01:46
we'll be done. No, well, yeah, obviously, but if
Tammy 1:01:49
not, yeah, like, I just think it comes with everything in life, like things evolve, we
Scott Benner 1:01:54
evolve, we learn more stuff. Hopefully, 30 years from now, I'll still be alive, and I'll get to see somebody talking about diabetes, and I'll be like, Wow, my podcast sounds like regular and mph to them. And good, exactly, right? Yeah, good, good, good, that we got to that, yeah, yeah. It's very Yeah. I'm going to tell you right now, like, beyond, like, an article once in a while that's like, you know, there's, you know, people have type one diabetes, have a higher instance of other autoimmune issues, like, some of them are thyroid, like, beyond that kind of, like, surface level stuff. And nobody in this space talking about thyroid like I am, you know. And again, you have no idea how many notes I get from people are like, Hey, I manage my thyroid better. Here's a list of things that are going better for me now because of this podcast. And, like, awesome, like, so I'm all right, that's enough. We're done. I can't do this anymore. Tommy. I mean, you wasn't you? I'm done with the Internet. I'm gonna go do something in real life now I you know, good luck all you guys.
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