#1811 Bolus 4 - Hamburger Helper
Helps your hamberger help her - make a great meal.
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Key Takeaways
- The Meal Bolt Roadmap: A strategic approach to bolusing includes measuring the meal, evaluating yourself, adding base units, layering a correction, building the bolus shape, offsetting timing, looking at the CGM, and tweaking for next time.
- Hidden Carbs and Fats: When calculating insulin for packaged meals like Hamburger Helper, you must account for the ingredients you add, such as the fat in ground beef and the carbohydrates and fat in the milk, which drastically alter the total nutritional profile.
- Reading Labels Correctly: Pay close attention to "packaged" versus "prepared" nutritional panels. If the label only provides "packaged" data, you must manually calculate the macros of the added ingredients (meat, milk, butter, etc.).
- Fat Impacts Digestion: Meals heavy in fat (like ground beef and cheese sauce) will slow digestion, often requiring an extended bolus strategy to prevent post-meal spikes that occur hours later.
- Utilizing Modern Tools: Calculators like the Juicebox Podcast Bolus Calculator (or AI tools like ChatGPT/Gemini) can simplify the math of complex meals, breaking down the impact of fat, protein, and carbs to suggest initial and extended bolus amounts.
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Introduction & The Meal Bolt Strategy
Scott Benner Here we are back together again, friends, for another episode of the Juice Box podcast.
Scott Benner In every episode of bolus four, Jenny Smith and I are gonna take a few minutes to talk through how to bolus for a single item of food.
Scott Benner Jenny and I are gonna follow a little bit of a road map called meal bolt.
Scott Benner Measure the meal, evaluate yourself, add the base units, layer a correction, build the bolus shape, offset the timing, look at the CGM, tweak for next time.
Scott Benner Having said that, these episodes are gonna be very conversational and not incredibly technical.
Scott Benner We want you to hear how we think about it, but we also would like you to know that this is kind of the pathway we're considering while we're talking about it.
Scott Benner So while you might not hear us say every letter of Miele Bolt in every episode, we will be thinking about it while we're talking.
Scott Benner If you wanna learn more, go to juiceboxpodcast.com/meal-bolt. But for now, we'll find out how to bowl us for today's subject.
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Bolusing for Hamburger Helper: The Jingles & Ingredients
Scott Benner Jennifer, we are going to bolus for you ready? Hamburger Helper.
Scott Benner Now before we talk about what's in Hamburger Helper, I would like to spend thirty seconds telling what I think is very important to mention here.
Scott Benner Hamburger Helper has maybe the greatest jingle in the world. I think it's brilliant.
Scott Benner I try to tell people about it all the time.
Scott Benner My family won't listen to me, but listen to this.
Jenny Smith I don't I didn't know Hamburger Helper had
Scott Benner a jingle, like a
Jenny Smith band aid.
Scott Benner Yeah. Yeah. Well, I was stuck on Band Aid. It's like that.
Scott Benner Hamburger helper helps your hamburger helper make a great meal.
Scott Benner Brilliant. Okay?
Scott Benner Because hamburger helper is what it is, and Hamburger Helper is what it's doing. Okay? And right?
Scott Benner And then it helps
Jenny Smith Oh my god. That's hilarious.
Scott Benner Oh my god.
Scott Benner It's brilliant. Whoever wrote it deserves an Emmy or a BAFTA or I don't know what they give.
Scott Benner They have Grammy.
Jenny Smith You broke it down and actually thought of it the way that the person who wrote the jingle was thinking of it having that meaning.
Scott Benner I can't not think of it when I hear it.
Jenny Smith Most people probably have not done that.
Scott Benner But there's more.
Jenny Smith Oh, there's more.
Scott Benner Keeping in mind, it was probably written a really long time ago. Hamburger Helper, which already brilliant.
Scott Benner Hamburger Helper helps your hamburger helper make a great meal. It's helping the helper.
Scott Benner But the way they pause, it's help her.
Scott Benner Because probably when they wrote the song, your wife was making it.
Scott Benner Right? So really think about all the implications. Hamburger helper helps your hamburger.
Scott Benner Help her make a great meal.
Scott Benner It's brilliant. Who wrote it?
Scott Benner We'll find out at the end. A genius, I guarantee you.
Scott Benner They probably also came up with the way to, like, separate ions from water or something like that.
Scott Benner Imagine this person is a brilliant person. (4:25) Nevertheless, Jenny, wait till you find out what's in hamburger helper cheeseburger macaroni.
Jenny Smith Oh, great.
Scott Benner Yeah. It's gonna be good.
Scott Benner It's a box dinner, macaroni entree with pasta and cheesy sauce.
Scott Benner It says it's made with real cheese and real spice that I mean, it would be funny if it was fake spices, but okay.
Scott Benner Just add beef, water, and milk.
Scott Benner And this is part of what I wanted to talk about today.
Jenny Smith Okay.
Scott Benner Because who knows? Are you buying 95% lean hamburger helper hamburger? 90?
Scott Benner 85? 80?
Jenny Smith 70?
Scott Benner They got 70?
Scott Benner I didn't know 70. 80 is the lowest I see at my place with does that sound fancy now?
Scott Benner People like, oh.
Jenny Smith I don't know. I really don't look in that section because we don't eat beef.
Jenny Smith So I I can't say that I look, but because there are many percentiles with many fat concentrations, which is what that percent means that you're talking about.
Scott Benner Okay. So I have the fat breakdowns there.
Scott Benner So when we put this all together, we're gonna but I'll tell you interestingly enough, I think, of course, I I think we've come to realize that when we're talking about this.
Scott Benner We're probably the only two dorks that are really that interested in this.
Scott Benner But four ounces of raw beef, 95 lean is 5.5 grams of fat.
Scott Benner 90% lean is 11 and a half, 85% lean. 1780% is 22.5.
Scott Benner 70% lean is 34 grams. It does it hold that after cooking?
Jenny Smith Well, that's what I was gonna say. This is precooked. Right?
Scott Benner Yeah. Yeah.
Jenny Smith In which the case as the good dietitian that I started out being always taught to tell people, drain the grease.
Scott Benner Oh my god. The first time I said to my wife, take that grease out of the pan, she goes, why?
Scott Benner That's where the flavor is. I said, I'm trying to stay alive. What are you doing?
Scott Benner Like you know?
Jenny Smith Fat equals flavor a 100%.
Scott Benner I don't care. It does.
Scott Benner I wanna stay alive. Do you understand? I don't wanna eat something that I can't pour down my drain.
Jenny Smith Please don't even pour it.
Scott Benner No. Oh oh god. Don't pour down your drain.
Scott Benner Yeah.
Jenny Smith Yeah. But but when you were growing up, did your did your parents have
Scott Benner A coffee can?
Scott Benner Yeah. Coffee
Jenny Smith can. Their refrigerator that they put all the grease into, and then when it was full, they threw it away?
Scott Benner Yeah. Bacon grease, like anything like that.
Jenny Smith That's so funny.
Jenny Smith I've never I haven't thought of that. It's such a long time.
Scott Benner Yours was in the refrigerator?
Jenny Smith My mom always kept because she kept, you know, like, a an old, like, tin can.
Scott Benner A coffee can or something they put in.
Jenny Smith Yeah. Right. Yeah.
Jenny Smith And she would
Scott Benner But they refrigerate it.
Jenny Smith To and she kept it in the fridge so that it wouldn't get gross and whatever on the counter.
Jenny Smith It would solidify in the fridge. Yeah. And then she filled it until it was full and then got rid of it.
Scott Benner Did you have a little bin of coffee grinds under your sink?
Jenny Smith No. Well, our I should say yes. Mhmm.
Jenny Smith But truly only in the spring, summer, fall because then it went into the garden.
Scott Benner Yeah.
Scott Benner Yeah. Okay. Cooked, 95% lean is four grams of fat, 90% lean seven grams, eighty five percent nine grams, eighty percent eleven grams, seventy percent twelve grams.
Scott Benner Also, you're going to use milk in this, two cups.
Jenny Smith Mhmm.
Jenny Smith So And let's say most people now typically use 2%, I would expect.
Scott Benner Really?
Scott Benner I would never.
Jenny Smith You would never? Do you skim or whole milk?
Scott Benner Only whole milk. If I'm drinking milk, I'm going for it, Tony. I mean, that's that.
Scott Benner I can't drink milk water because that's really what it starts to feel like.
Jenny Smith I haven't had a glass of milk probably since
Scott Benner Oh, I wouldn't know when. Yeah.
Jenny Smith I don't even know when I the last time I had a glass of milk. Right.
Jenny Smith I probably grade school when I was with, yeah, California.
Scott Benner And I know this sounds crazy, maybe, or it doesn't.
Scott Benner I think I stopped drinking milk when, like, 11 year old girl started, like, getting breasts.
Scott Benner I was like, I think there's something wrong. And I just seriously, I was like, I don't know what they're doing, but I don't wanna be involved anymore.
Scott Benner Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I was like, I I really don't know what's happening, but I'm I'm getting out of this.
Scott Benner And I feel like that was twenty years ago.
Scott Benner 1% low fat, two and a half grams, 2% low fat, five grams, whole milk, eight grams.
The Nutritional Math of a Boxed Meal
Scott Benner Oh, okay. So let's say
Jenny Smith And that's in a one cup portion. Right?
Jenny Smith Eight ounces?
Scott Benner Yeah. Yeah. We need two cups. Oh, see?
Scott Benner So when you look at the little hamburger helper thing here, which by the way, way to not make it legible on your website, hamburger helper.
Scott Benner They show you the side of the box, but, you know, not in such a way that you can read the numbers.
Scott Benner Had to go somewhere else to get that.
Jenny Smith I'm curry like, hamburger helper, you brought it up.
Jenny Smith Yeah. I know that you don't eat it in your house.
Scott Benner Oh, no.
Jenny Smith So this must have definitely been something that came up enough when you asked for people's ideas.
Jenny Smith Right? It was was it, like, the top thing on a list?
Scott Benner No. There's two things.
Scott Benner It was on a list. Okay. But I wanna be absolutely clear, and I'll say this like this in case she's listening.
Scott Benner My wife eats like it's still $19.75 every once in a while.
Scott Benner So there is always a box of Velveeta mac and cheese and a box of Hamburger Helper in my house in case
Jenny Smith She gets the anchoring?
Scott Benner I would say in case the mixture of hormones, stress, anxiety, and sadness hit on the right spot on the right day.
Scott Benner You know what I mean? And then I hear the box shaking with the dry potatoes in there and and everything else.
Jenny Smith And you know what's being created?
Scott Benner Yeah. A pan that she doesn't clean.
Jenny Smith Oh my
Scott Benner Taking a taking a moment to take a personal shot at my wife during the podcast.
Jenny Smith Oh, that's okay. I won't tell her.
Scott Benner She's never gonna hear this.
Scott Benner It doesn't really matter. No. Alright. Let's see.
Scott Benner My god.
Jenny Smith My choice would be chocolate, by the way, if it was all that.
Jenny Smith Mine mine would be chocolate.
Scott Benner That's in the house too. Don't worry. Okay.
Scott Benner So a 120 out of a 140 calories, gram of fat.
Scott Benner So a lot of sodium, 630, 780 milligrams in protein.
Scott Benner So I And
Jenny Smith this is just the mix you're talking about without the addeds. Right?
Scott Benner I I have to go to Walmart. I had to get it back again.
Scott Benner Walmart has a good picture of the box. Thank you, Walmart.
Jenny Smith And how much
Scott Benner How often do people say that?
Jenny Smith How much ground beef gets added to this
Scott Benner then? We're gonna go through it right now.
Scott Benner The mix itself, point five fat, 700 milligrams of sodium, 28 carbs, three total sugars, one includes one added sugar, four protein.
Scott Benner And wow. Let me just tell you the ingredients.
Scott Benner Enriched macaroni, cornstarch, salt, enriched flour, modified whey, sugar, tomato, onion, cheddar, cheese, palm oil, citric acid, vegetable oil, yeast extract, garlic Parmesan cheese, annatto extract?
Jenny Smith Annatto, it actually comes from a plant. It's so you could buy white and yellow or orange cheddar cheese.
Jenny Smith Right? The orangey cheddar cheese isn't a different kind of cheddar cheese than the white.
Jenny Smith It's just got annatto added to it, typically.
Jenny Smith Some they might use other things in other but many times places use annatto.
Scott Benner Can I just say I didn't annatto that? Thank you. Thank you so much.
Scott Benner I appreciate
Jenny Smith it. Funny.
Scott Benner Yeah. Send send me out for an Emmy too.
Scott Benner Black pepper, monoglycerides, sodium phosphate, nonfat milk, natural flavors. Oh, silicon dioxide. Oh.
Scott Benner Isn't that silicon?
Jenny Smith It helps essentially.
Jenny Smith It's it's usually used as like a stabilizer, so it doesn't get like I
Scott Benner don't care, Janet.
Jenny Smith Yeah. I know.
Scott Benner It contains milk, wheat, but it may contain egg, soy ingredients.
Scott Benner Okay. So let's move 28 carbs or protein into the calculator.
Scott Benner We're gonna use the calculator today on juiceboxpodcast.com. So 28 carbs
Jenny Smith And 28 is a serving prepared completely?
Scott Benner Yeah. We'll get to that. Hold on a second.
Scott Benner We I don't know if they even tell you that.
Scott Benner Like, that's the thing we're gonna have to figure out because sometimes they're very clear about it and sometimes they are not.
Jenny Smith Well, and sometimes packages will actually have on their nutrition nutrition facts facts panel, panel, they'll they'll actually actually have have a panel of just the nutrition facts for the dry product.
Jenny Smith And then right next to it, if you look at the label heading, you'll actually see per prepared serving.
Scott Benner Mhmm.
Jenny Smith And that's typically then the column that you want to look at for your total package of information besides at the very top of the label looking to see what is a serving size and how many servings are there once you prepare the product.
Scott Benner So help me understand that because I'm I'm seeing exactly what you're saying.
Scott Benner Serving size, one third cup as packaged, one cup prepared.
Scott Benner But then, like, fat, like, it tells me point five grams packaged, but prepared, it just gives me a percentage.
Scott Benner So it doesn't give me a new Yeah.
Jenny Smith Give you a gram number?
Scott Benner I'm not seeing a new a new gram number for anything. Like, total carbohydrates, 28 packaged, 10%.
Scott Benner Prepared 12%, but no new oh, it's interesting. Well, we're gonna add
Jenny Smith Well, I guess you'd have to add, what, 2% to 28. Right?
Scott Benner Yeah. I guess so. But now you're beyond me
Jenny Smith because I
Scott Benner I fell asleep in math class in ninth grade.
Scott Benner I I never woke up again.
Jenny Smith Or, you know, and I'm I'm making an assumption about how to read what they're usually, it's a little bit more explanatory.
Jenny Smith Again, it's the dry package. And then the next column over is usually prepared per recipe.
Scott Benner Right.
Jenny Smith It'll usually say per serving, how much carb, protein, fat, sodium, all the things in grams.
Jenny Smith It doesn't usually just have a percent. That's interesting.
Scott Benner I'm just looking for the instructions now on the box because how much it was on the one thing and now it's on the other.
Scott Benner Oh.
Jenny Smith So, essentially, this label kind of, if it's really only giving you the amount per, you said, third cup dry product Yeah.
Jenny Smith You'd really have to then do the math and say, okay.
Jenny Smith I'm adding to this two cups of milk. So 16 grams of carb. Right?
Jenny Smith And all the extra fat and all of the extra protein.
Jenny Smith Now I'm also adding to this the what else did you see?
Scott Benner The meat?
Scott Benner Interesting because some boxes don't tell you and some do, like, even what you're putting into it.
Scott Benner Oh, hold on a second. Cheeseburger by the way, this is the cheeseburger. I brought that up.
The Art of the Bolus (and Jingles)
Scott Benner Right? Hamburger helper. Helps your hamburger helper make a great meal. It's amazing.
Scott Benner I mean, honestly, really think about it.
Scott Benner It's absolutely amazing.
Scott Benner The guy that wrote it or the woman, let me just say, whoever wrote it must have just sat around for three days happy with themselves when they were finished.
Scott Benner I'm possibly the only person who paid attention to it. I don't know about that or not.
Scott Benner Do you remember the, like, the little hand like, the the little chef hand?
Jenny Smith Oh, the happy little chef hand with the happy face? Absolutely. Remember what that looked like.
Scott Benner On the TV and tell you all about it. It's really it's really wonderful.
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Jenny Smith My grandmother not my mom's mom.
Jenny Smith My mom's mom did a lot of cooking. My dad's mom did a lot more, like, packaged stuff at least once I got to know her.
Jenny Smith And she didn't have hamburger helper. She had tuna helper.
Scott Benner Oh, I've seen that.
Jenny Smith Right. Oh,
Scott Benner my mom would make that.
Jenny Smith It's the same concept.
Jenny Smith It just has canned tuna in it.
Scott Benner Can I tell you when that got made at my house when I was a kid, my expectation was we couldn't afford the hamburger?
Scott Benner Like, so Really? Yeah. So canned
Jenny Smith tuna Tuna
Scott Benner helper. Awesome.
Jenny Smith Maybe that was why it was at grandma's house.
Scott Benner Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Scott Benner Oh, see. I might be giving you a look into your life right now.
Jenny Smith Fixed income.
Jenny Smith I don't know. Maybe.
Scott Benner That was always my expectation. Alright. Listen.
Scott Benner Let's add on to this. (17:46) I mean, look.
Scott Benner We can do it a couple of different ways just so you can get an idea.
Scott Benner But, you know, you're using how much beef is going in this here. Hold on a second.
Scott Benner It's just not easy. Like, I do this live so that people can see, like, they do not make it easy for you.
Jenny Smith Yeah. No. No. And if you are the person who wants to be as technical or accurate, instead of just saying, I bet it's about 30 grams per cup prepared, that's what I'm going to count.
Jenny Smith And a 100%, if that's what you do and it works out for you, then you continue using that Awesome.
Jenny Smith Right.
Jenny Smith As your strategy. Awesome. But then there are, you know, people who want the fats and the proteins.
Jenny Smith They want the extra strategy to be able to use things like the assistive navigation device that you've kind of come up with, right, for, boluses the right way with extended boluses, how much, why, how much, you know, and then you really do need to be able to break the package down and make all of the facts as accurate as possible for your benefit.
Scott Benner You know, I just came away from, a an educational thing that I was doing over the weekend where I just, you know, kept hammering into people.
Scott Benner Like, you know, fat changes your digestion. It's important to bolus for it.
Scott Benner You know, this is one of those things. All the fat if you look at the box, there's no fat in this.
Scott Benner And if you don't think about the beef and the and the milk, you know so look.
Scott Benner Here's the deal. Right? You use a pound of 80% lean ground beef, that's 44 grams of fat.
Scott Benner That's So, I mean, a servings a cup, I don't know how much beef you're getting in that or you're not getting in that, but the whole can like, you eat the whole box, this is what it is.
Scott Benner So I think we're just gonna I'm gonna set it up like the whole box, and then we'll we'll do the we'll do the division.
Jenny Smith The math. How many servings per container does it say on the it should.
Scott Benner Serbings size, a third of a cup is packaged, calories, servings per container for, again, they make it really difficult to see the box in a lot of the pictures.
Jenny Smith Because it I would expect as a pasta product, most pasta products are one cup prepared.
Scott Benner Okay.
Jenny Smith Again Wait. It does say that noodle now.
Scott Benner Yeah.
Scott Benner But it does say that on yeah. But you're gonna get some noodles.
Scott Benner You're gonna get some beef.
Jenny Smith Some meat.
Scott Benner Some of the and cheese.
Scott Benner The inundated cheese. I was looking for another pun in there. I couldn't find it.
Scott Benner So alright.
Scott Benner So let's do this. So there's 28 carbs in the box.
Scott Benner There's point five grams of fat in the box.
Scott Benner I'm gonna go with 80% lean and say there's, you know, 44 carbs or or or 44 grams of fat.
Jenny Smith Fat. Yeah. Okay.
Scott Benner In there from the from the beef, but then the milk is going to be let's use whole milk.
Scott Benner That's 16 more. Right?
Jenny Smith For Whole milk would be 8 per one cup.
Scott Benner For a cup, it should be eight more. 48, 49. It'd be So 52. Mhmm.
Scott Benner We're just gonna go insulin to carb ratio.
Scott Benner One unit covers 10. Instant sensitivity, we'll just stick it 50 to 50. Yeah.
Scott Benner Make the we'll make the target 90 for this. Nothing on board.
Scott Benner Current blood sugar, I'm not even gonna put into the mix just so we get a number.
Scott Benner And if you ate the entire box of this with those numbers, 2.8 up front, 4.84 over eight it says over eight hours.
Scott Benner So but 7.6 units to cover the entire thing. But now we're
Jenny Smith gonna be the whole box.
Scott Benner That's the whole box. Right. Now we gotta figure out how many servings or how many cups are in a box.
Jenny Smith Well, and that would depend on, I think, the standard box.
Jenny Smith My expectation would be that the standard box serving would be four or maybe five.
Jenny Smith I'm thinking about a pound of beef plus the pasta in the back.
Jenny Smith I would think it would be at least five servings in a box. Okay.
Jenny Smith Maybe even six.
Scott Benner So if we divided it by six, it's a lot it's a it's a fat low carb meals or or lower it's lower lower carb.
Jenny Smith Sure. It yeah. Yeah. It's lower carb.
Jenny Smith It's definitely going to be a lower glycemic as well with the fat and the protein being heavier parts.
Scott Benner Well, you know what? Let's do it.
Scott Benner Let's just do it if you ate a quarter of the box. Right?
Scott Benner Because that's gonna be fairly easy math.
Scott Benner It takes the carbs from 28 to seven, and it takes what?
Scott Benner The fat down to, like, 10. Excuse me. 12 and a half. Is that right?
Scott Benner One, two, three, four, maybe 13. Right? Don't laugh at me. I really did fall asleep.
Scott Benner I I didn't I was tired.
Scott Benner You know, it's possible my iron might have been low when I was younger.
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Jenny Smith I'm not laughing at you. I promise.
Scott Benner So then there with the one to ten and fifty, it's, you know, it's a couple units because you're you know, it's it's just it's seven carbs and and 13 grams of fat.
Scott Benner Am I right? I have that correct?
Jenny Smith How much carb did you break it down into?
Scott Benner I mean, if the box is 28, oh, know what we didn't do? Prepared.
Scott Benner No. You know what we didn't do? We didn't do carbs in a cup of whole milk.
Scott Benner That's what we didn't do. We didn't think about the milk.
Jenny Smith Two cups of whole milk added?
Scott Benner One. Oh, no. Two. Two.
Scott Benner You're a 100% right.
Jenny Smith So 16 grams of extra carb.
Scott Benner Okay.
Jenny Smith Right?
Jenny Smith No. Eight 12.
Scott Benner Yes. So we
Jenny Smith 12 grams per cup, so 12 grams and
Scott Benner 20 this is gonna over because I feel like a moron.
Scott Benner So there's 28 carbs for the box, 24 more for
Jenny Smith For the milk.
Scott Benner For the milk.
Scott Benner So that's now we're to 52, and then no more for the beef, but then Nope.
Scott Benner That that means we also we only used one cup of milk the first time.
Scott Benner So the fat is 44 for the beef, and then
Jenny Smith And another 16 for the milk.
Scott Benner For the milk. Okay. So 60. Right? $44.54 60.
Jenny Smith Mhmm.
Scott Benner And the protein stays at four. Okay. So let's start over again.
Scott Benner 5.2 upfront, 5.56 extended, 10.76 for the whole thing.
Scott Benner Now to split that into a quarter, I mean, I hate doing math in front of people because it makes me feel stupid.
Scott Benner But, well, 15 the fact goes down to 15, right, from 60, if we're gonna
Jenny Smith take a
Scott Benner quarter of it.
Scott Benner And what? Twelve, thirteen for the carbs. Right? 26.
Scott Benner Yeah. About that. Right?
Jenny Smith Carbs carbs are really low in this. Because when you look at the label, it also tells you that it's a third cup it's a third cup dry is 28 grams of carb.
Scott Benner Yeah. Right. Like
Jenny Smith But it also says that that as one cup prepared is also 28 grams of carb.
Scott Benner Yeah. So I the whole way nothing seems right about this is what I'm saying.
Scott Benner We get all but this is my point about doing this live again.
Scott Benner Like, if you're trying to make this for your kid Mhmm.
Scott Benner I 100% believe you're just gonna put in 28 carbs.
Scott Benner And and and 28 carbs is your whole number, and then you're gonna break down about how much you think, and you're gonna end up under you're gonna end up under bolusing for this.
Scott Benner Because the thing we haven't talked about is under the category of not all carbs are created equal.
Scott Benner This stuff hits hard. Like Yeah. You know?
Jenny Smith It can.
Scott Benner Yeah. Yeah.
Scott Benner For some people. And, I mean, if you end up giving somebody a quarter of this, you know, and thinking it's I don't know.
Scott Benner Thinking it's gonna hit, like, that 10 carbs or something.
Scott Benner I don't know.
Jenny Smith You know what would be interesting? You know how you brought up macaroni and cheese, but you also brought up the Velveeta macaroni and cheese?
Scott Benner Go ahead.
Jenny Smith So it's making me think of I wonder if a cleaner visual might be does help Hamburger Helper have any of the little prepackaged?
Scott Benner Oh, I don't know if they do that.
Jenny Smith Just carry be and maybe they
Scott Benner don't Maybe we can think about it differently.
Decoding the Microwave Cups and Flavors
Jenny Smith Because you do typically have to have the meat added and all the other things, but I'm wondering if they have another packaged product.
Scott Benner Oh, they do. I found it, Jenny. Don't worry. Okay. Here we go.
Scott Benner Hamburger helper singles, I typed in. To get the cheeseburger macaroni, it comes in a nice plastic cup so you can throw that in a landfill when you're done.
Scott Benner And, let's see what's in that.
Jenny Smith I could add other things to that, but I won't.
Scott Benner Okay.
Scott Benner Listen. Real oh, it comes with the beef. Is a says
Jenny Smith dehydrated beef.
Scott Benner This is it says real beef inside. I don't think they would lie to us.
Scott Benner So ingredients, specifications
Jenny Smith I don't even want you to read the ingredient list because I can't imagine how long it is.
Scott Benner It's extensive. There's a couple of artificial flavors in it.
Scott Benner There's one, two, three, four, five different oils at least, maybe. It's interesting.
Scott Benner There's vegetable, canola, soybean, sunflower, palm, and or coconut.
Scott Benner What are are some days are they out of one and they just go, extra palm today?
Jenny Smith The other funny thing I know we always, like, go off the rail when we talk about this kind of stuff, but it's kind of fun having somebody else to actually, like, like this.
Jenny Smith My consideration is always, who's the little, like, scientist? Because that's really Yeah. This isn't a gardener.
Scott Benner This isn't a farmer who's outgrowing the best tomato.
Jenny Smith This is a scientist sitting in a lab trying to figure out
Scott Benner How do I make this taste like beef and, yeah, cheese and
Jenny Smith yeah.
Jenny Smith Mix. Oh, that didn't taste quite right. So let's add some soybean oil. Nope.
Jenny Smith That's not quite right. Let's add a little canola oil.
Scott Benner Cooking class, like, twenty years ago, and it was led by a woman whose full time job was that.
Scott Benner That's what she did. Actually, if anyone's listening who does that, please come on.
Scott Benner I would love to understand that. Oh, seriously.
Scott Benner Oh, I really wanna find somebody who does that.
Scott Benner Can I just read you a review of the Please? Hamburg helplessness? It's five stars from Regina.
Scott Benner Hey, Regina.
Scott Benner If you left this on walmart.com, the headline is not perfect, but edible and enjoyable.
Jenny Smith I'd like to know what wasn't perfect given the man.
Jenny Smith The heck
Scott Benner This is great for a quick lunch or even a midnight snack.
Scott Benner It doesn't really taste like stovetop hamburger helper, but is completely edible and enjoyable.
Scott Benner Did not boil over like some of the other reviewers said. That person probably prepared it wrong.
Scott Benner A little shaming in there for the other person who microwaved the hamburger helper cup the wrong way.
Scott Benner I liked it, and I will purchase it again. It's very well written.
Jenny Smith It is quite well written for a package, but I'm curious the nutrition facts because it is all put together.
Jenny Smith You have to put nothing in this probably except water. Right?
Scott Benner That's that does seem to be what's happening here. Do you wanna hear a one star review?
Scott Benner Sure. A salty mushy overpriced disappointment. The who wrote who?
Scott Benner This was an absolute failure on every level. First, the taste overwhelmingly, punishingly salty.
Scott Benner There was no pleasant bite or texture whatsoever. Just a homogenous sloppy goo.
Scott Benner The instructions are a lie.
Scott Benner Even following them exactly results in overcooked noodles swimming in a thin yet oddly sticky sauce.
Scott Benner Save your money and your taste. Can I just say I'm sorry?
Scott Benner I'm who the fuck buys this and then expects it not to be something like this?
Scott Benner Like
Jenny Smith That is a 100% my consideration. For one, what did you what did you expect?
Scott Benner I mean, what did you what did you think was gonna happen?
Jenny Smith And then you took the extra time to actually put your thoughts down.
Scott Benner And they're so well written. Like, this is a well thought out review. Terry, 01/09/2026.
Scott Benner What's up? Oh, if you love messes, this is for you.
Scott Benner Do you think they mean the toilet or the cup?
Jenny Smith Or I think they are referring to the first one who gave it five stars and said, clearly, they cooked it wrong.
Scott Benner Not good. Not much flavor.
Jenny Smith Probably boiled a bit over.
Scott Benner Here's my favorite one from Mimi. What is this white stuff?
Jenny Smith It's a good question.
Scott Benner I read the directions, removed the seal and the flavor packet, filled with water to the line, started stirring the macaroni, and white pieces began to appear.
Scott Benner More stirring led to more pieces. I found the inside of the foam cup was coming off so gross.
Scott Benner The cup was she did throw it away. Good for you, Mimi.
Scott Benner Way to make a stand. I so hope that the last sentence of that was I still waited.
Scott Benner It wasn't bad. We didn't do what you wanted to do though when we found this.
Scott Benner Hold on a second.
Jenny Smith Wow.
Scott Benner I by the way, I know we keep saying this, but, like, I'm not above this.
Scott Benner People in my family Jen Jen Jenny's not eating this in in you know, you'd probably have to shoot her to get her to eat it.
Scott Benner But, like, I'm saying that, like, I'm sure something like this is in a cabinet downstairs in my house.
Scott Benner And I understand being in a rush and trying to make something quickly and everything.
Scott Benner I really I genuinely do.
Jenny Smith Sure.
Scott Benner But I still want you to know what it is when you're eating it.
Scott Benner We can all agree it's crazy and eat it at the same time.
Scott Benner Arden made ravioli the other day, chef Boyardee, and she took three bites and she goes, what is this?
Scott Benner And I was like, what? She goes, it does not taste like ravioli.
Scott Benner And I said, what's it taste like? I'll try it.
Scott Benner I came over and I put a couple pieces in my mouth.
Scott Benner I said, this tastes exactly like chef Boyardee ravioli. She goes Uh-huh.
Scott Benner But it doesn't taste like ravioli. I said, no. It doesn't.
Scott Benner But this is what this tastes like. I said, I know because I I was raised on this.
Scott Benner These cans were 45¢ when I was a kid. That's you know? Mhmm.
Scott Benner This is what I got. So
Jenny Smith Yeah. Anyway I remember what were they? SpaghettiOs.
Scott Benner Oh, you get meatballs or no meatballs?
Jenny Smith Oh, god.
Jenny Smith Jenny,
Scott Benner you didn't get the meatballs?
Jenny Smith Oh, god. No. Oh my god.
Jenny Smith I think I had the meatballs only once, and literally, I wouldn't eat the entire I wouldn't eat the rest of it.
Jenny Smith Was like, I don't know what this is.
Jenny Smith This is not meat.
Scott Benner Let me offer the alternative view of that.
Scott Benner I thought the meatballs were the best part of the spaghetti.
Jenny Smith You're like, give me all the meatballs.
Scott Benner Didn't like the sauce in spaghettios.
Jenny Smith Oh.
Jenny Smith It was different. You know, weirdly, I only had them when I went to a particular friend's house of mine.
Scott Benner Mhmm.
Jenny Smith Her mom was not a cook.
Jenny Smith She did the best that she could, but she was not a cook. Right.
Jenny Smith So SpaghettiOs were or mac and cheese out of a box. Those were the typical thing.
Scott Benner Yeah.
Jenny Smith But I was always excited to get the SpaghettiOs, and I always I remember as a kid, I was having higher hopes for what it would taste like the next time I had it.
Jenny Smith Oh. And it
Scott Benner It never It
Jenny Smith never ever
Scott Benner was for you.
Jenny Smith Better, but I can remember, like, the feeling of the noodle, which was very, like was like a rubbery instead of being, like, a real noodle.
Scott Benner If you're a regular if you were accustomed to a real noodle, you're definitely not getting what you were what you were hoping for.
Jenny Smith But I think I like I like the sauce is what I like.
Scott Benner Oh, you like the sauce. Anyway. Look at you fancy.
Scott Benner By the way, right about now, Rob is editing this, and he's saying, these are supposed to be short.
Scott Benner I know, Rob.
Scott Benner I'm sorry, man. Use it as a longer one.
Scott Benner Put ads on it and and make it a longer one for the week.
Scott Benner I don't know
Jenny Smith what Jenny to tell eats SpaghettiOs. There you
Scott Benner go.
Scott Benner So I did I googled hamburger helper pasta cheeseburger macaroni two ounce microwavable cup.
Scott Benner By the way, part of the title is shelf stable nutrition label.
Scott Benner And I wanna say that this is the Google return AI overview return from it. It says Okay.
Scott Benner 220 calories, total fat four, saturated fat two, cholesterol 10, sodium seven twenty well, that's a lot of sodium in a little cup.
Scott Benner Mhmm. Total carbohydrates 36. Wow. Dietary fiber, one.
Scott Benner Sugar's five, including zero added.
Scott Benner Protein, nine. There's a lot of calcium in it. A hundred and twenty milligrams of calcium.
Scott Benner Why does the what about this shelf save stable adding the meat puts the carbs up so much?
Scott Benner You understand what I'm saying?
Jenny Smith Well, that's why I think that the breakdown for the box product, it cannot be correct.
Scott Benner Okay.
Jenny Smith The breakdown, we it's got to be something there's something that we did incorrectly in terms of adding because as a comparative product, I'm assuming that this is maybe it's maybe the package here is also a little bit more than a cup portion once it's cooked.
Jenny Smith I don't know. Yeah. There has to be something off about
Scott Benner Yeah.
Jenny Smith The servings in the box that we counted. I'm just trying to think through yeah.
Scott Benner I'm trying to think
Jenny Smith My brain.
Scott Benner I keep thinking. It's fine.
Scott Benner I we can keep going more carbs than the box prep that you add carbs to add beef to.
Jenny Smith And then protein. How much protein was in the in the meat?
Jenny Smith Because there wasn't a lot in the prepared product. Right?
Scott Benner Four in the box.
Scott Benner What about you're asking about the shelf stable one?
Jenny Smith No. For the box one, there was only four grams per portion.
Scott Benner Yeah.
Scott Benner But there's nine in this in the whole in the cup.
Jenny Smith And that's interesting.
Scott Benner Yeah.
Scott Benner So it's just I I I I don't know.
Scott Benner I think this is part of this series because I don't know how you're supposed to figure all this stuff out.
Scott Benner Also, by the way, when you're making Hamburger Helper, you're making it for one of two reasons.
Scott Benner Well, and the biggest reason is probably Yes.
Scott Benner Convenience.
Scott Benner And now I'm sitting around like an Einstein with numbers floating over my head trying to figure out how to bolus for this thing.
Scott Benner I figure you're gonna have to throw in some insulin and, you know, see how it goes.
Scott Benner And then next time, just adjust off the off your historic number.
Scott Benner It's I'm sure that's how I do it, to be perfectly honest, with stuff like this.
Jenny Smith Is an estimate. Absolutely. Yeah. It's an estimate of yeah.
Scott Benner Alright.
Scott Benner Let's see if we can figure out who wrote the Hamburger Helper jingle before we go.
Scott Benner Hamburger helper helps your hamburger helper make a great meal. It's brilliant. It's really brilliant.
Jenny Smith The fact that you have it memorized is hilarious.
Scott Benner I know the tune.
Scott Benner I just wanna say. I can't sing, but if I could sing, you would know that I I understand the tune of this and everything.
Scott Benner So I asked I asked the our overlords
Jenny Smith Okay.
Scott Benner Why would the one cup with the meat included have more carbs than the pasta only box that we add to?
Scott Benner And I mean, listen. It says the standard serving size for box is 42 grams.
Scott Benner The microwave cup is 57 dry product because you're staring at meat factor.
Scott Benner When you make the box, you're adding a full pound of fresh carb free meat.
Scott Benner This heavily dilutes the carbohydrate ratio in the fine meal.
Scott Benner You get a huge filling portion without the in the microwave cup.
Scott Benner Oh, it says the meat in quotes consists of freeze dried beef bits that weigh almost nothing because there isn't much actual meat volume.
Scott Benner The vast majority of the 57 gram cup, has to be made up of carbohydrate heavy ingredients like the macaroni carb.
Scott Benner So this is saying maybe you're getting more noodles than meat in the prepared
Jenny Smith cup. Prepared one.
Scott Benner Because how are they really getting meat in that cup?
Scott Benner And maybe you're filling up on the beef in the other one and not getting as many noodles when you scoop the cup out.
Scott Benner That's not a crazy consideration.
Jenny Smith No. Not at all.
Scott Benner Yeah.
Scott Benner I thought it was gonna be some I actually thought it was gonna be some chemical thing.
Scott Benner I really did for a second. Alright. Ready?
Scott Benner Cool.
Scott Benner The classic seventies and eighties TV jingle, like a lot of famous retro commercial music, the original campaigns including the famous hamburger helper helped her hamburger.
Scott Benner Oh, it's help her hamburger. They changed it to your when they got older because they don't wanna be sexist.
Scott Benner But it used to say hamburger helper helped her hamburger make a great meal slogan were created collaboratively by the Chicago advertising agency Needham, Harper, and Steers.
Scott Benner Joel Friedman, this ad copywriter, penned a massive chunk of the iconic musical Hamburger Helper Jingles through the eighties.
Scott Benner He wrote the catchy thirty second parody songs for various flavors, which usually featured the mascot singing to the camera.
Scott Benner Right? The little hand, the glove with the hat on.
Scott Benner And Mike Caffatera, he is the ad executive who invented the singing four fingered white glove mascot in 1977, originally called the helping hand.
Scott Benner The mascot is now affectionately known as Lefty.
Scott Benner Oh, in 2016, there was a a viral rap mixtape of it.
Jenny Smith Of course, there was.
Scott Benner I know I know Jenny better than all of you, but of course, there was means what in the hell is wrong with everybody?
Scott Benner Get a job and stop writing a rap jingle to the hamburger helper.
Jenny Smith Kim, go help somebody.
Jenny Smith I don't know. Help somebody instead.
Scott Benner Hi, Jenny.
Scott Benner I don't know what we just let's let's put a bow on this. Oh.
Scott Benner So I'm gonna use I think this is
Jenny Smith the funny I think this is even better than the McDonald's one.
Scott Benner Don't know. That McDonald's one was was pretty great.
Scott Benner Also, I have not been to McDonald's since then.
Scott Benner I just wanna know it didn't trigger me into, like, going to McDonald's, which I was proud of.
Scott Benner Because the other day, somebody showed me one of those marshmallow peeps, and I thought, oh, I'm gonna have a marshmallow peep.
Jenny Smith Yep.
Scott Benner So, you know, you get the I mean, listen.
Scott Benner Also, the jingle thing makes a great not not a great meal, but it makes a great point.
Scott Benner There are a ton of different Hamburger Helper flavors.
Jenny Smith I'm sure there are.
Jenny Smith I I mean quite sure that they probably also hit most of the traditional flavor preferences.
Jenny Smith I would guarantee that there's probably a taco y kind of one. There's
Scott Benner cheesy enchilada.
Scott Benner Are you cheating? How did you know that?
Jenny Smith I I'm guessing based on the food types people.
Jenny Smith I'm guessing there's an Italian one of some kind.
Scott Benner How about Salisbury steak?
Jenny Smith Interesting.
Jenny Smith I
Scott Benner could talk lovingly for an hour.
Jenny Smith Salisbury steak?
Scott Benner About a hungry man Swanson's Salisbury steak with those fake potatoes in it.
Scott Benner I wish you all could
Jenny Smith have I know you like
Scott Benner I wish you all could have grown up as poor as I was.
Scott Benner Cheeseburger macaroni, hamburger helper, Salisbury, cheesy enchilada, double cheeseburger macaroni, double deluxe beef stroganoff, cheesy ranch burger, cheesy Italian shells, beef pasta, four cheese lasagna.
Scott Benner I said stroganoff. I think I might have gotten to the end of it. Oh, excuse me.
Scott Benner Tomato basil penne, deluxe Philly cheesesteak, three cheese, potatoes stroganoff. My god. This never ends.
Scott Benner How about, Jenny, Hamburger Helper breakfast cheesy hash browns, chicken fried rice ham.
Scott Benner They got a whole offering here.
Scott Benner Tuna cheesy pasta?
Jenny Smith Do they have, like, a pad Thai kind of?
Jenny Smith Well, I'm just trying to think of all of the different, like, flavor preferences.
Scott Benner Tuna cheesy pasta, tuna creamy broccoli. I bet you there's no broccoli in that.
Jenny Smith Either that or you have to add it maybe.
Scott Benner Oh, that's interesting. Tetrazzini.
Scott Benner Tuna helper Tetrazzini. This goes on forever. Double deluxe Philly cheesesteak.
Scott Benner Deluxe beef stroganoff.
Scott Benner I think sometimes they just write the word deluxe on the box.
Jenny Smith I wonder if it actually indicates
Scott Benner A difference?
Jenny Smith A fat like a fat component that might be added maybe. Oh.
Jenny Smith Like, maybe you have to add butter to it or you have to add, like, heavy cream.
Jenny Smith Do you know what I mean? I do know what you deluxe.
Jenny Smith I would expect it's a little bit more, like, luxurious to the tongue.
Scott Benner Did you say luxurious to the tongue?
Jenny Smith I did.
Scott Benner Stop it. It's ridiculous.
Scott Benner Hold on a second. Let's click on double cheeseburger cheeseburger cheeseburger macaroni just a minute to see what changes.
Scott Benner Total carbs, 24.
Scott Benner No fat. Unprepared. It looks exactly the same as the other one.
Scott Benner So what do you do? You put more stuff in it?
Scott Benner Hold on a second.
Scott Benner Cook the ground meat in a 12 inch skillet. It does say to drain the ground meat.
Scott Benner God bless. Stir in water, milk, sauce mix, and pasta.
Scott Benner Heat to boiling. Reduce cover.
Scott Benner Yeah. I don't think it's pound oh, it just calls for a pound and a half of ground beef instead of a pound and three and a third cups of milk.
Scott Benner So it's deluxe when you put more stuff in it.
Scott Benner So that means I could just buy if this is more expensive than the regular one
Jenny Smith Then you might as well just look at the recipe and take the recipe and add add it to the regular one and
Scott Benner Scam if that's if that is.
Scott Benner Oh, brilliant people. People know how to steal your money, don't they? That's a thing for sure.
Jenny Smith Funny.
Scott Benner Alright, Jenny. Well, I gotta tell you, as I've said previously, I've grown up very poor.
Scott Benner I could never get Hamburger Helper, I can't get it down.
Scott Benner Like, it make the smell of it hits me right in the pit of my stomach.
Scott Benner I can't get I can't get close to it even.
Scott Benner So on Hamburger Helper nights, oh, this is gonna get sad.
Scott Benner They made me eat, leftovers or, like, they wouldn't cook me something else.
Scott Benner Or if I and if I didn't want any of that, I just didn't really get dinner.
Scott Benner So anyway
Jenny Smith You couldn't make yourself a peanut butter sandwich I don't like on your white bread?
Jenny Smith I don't like peanut butter. Oh,
Scott Benner okay. No. I would
Jenny Smith usually I know that.
Scott Benner Yeah. I don't like peanut butter, and I would probably tell you I probably haven't had a tablespoon of it in my entire life in total totality.
Scott Benner Wow. I don't there's something about the thick grittiness of it.
Scott Benner I don't I I'm not interested in.
Jenny Smith That's okay.
Scott Benner Yeah.
Scott Benner Anyway, left out a lot of candy bars when I was a kid. I'll tell you that much.
Scott Benner Because they all had those peanuts in them.
Jenny Smith Peanuts.
Scott Benner I also don't like when you bite a peanut, that dry feeling that they have. Oh.
Scott Benner You know how they mash dry in your teeth? Oh. Mhmm.
Scott Benner Oh my god.
Scott Benner I'm gonna go now before you start judging me. Goodbye.
Jenny Smith Okay. Goodbye.
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