🎃 #1668 Bolus 4 - Halloween 🎃
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Jenny and Scott talk about bolusing for the top ten most popular Halloween treats (plus a few others).
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Scott Benner 0:00
Hello friends and welcome back to another episode of The Juicebox podcast.
Jenny and I are going to go over the top 10 most popular Halloween candies and how to Bolus for them right now, just in time for you to go tricking and treating if your loved one is newly diagnosed with type one diabetes and you're seeking a clear, practical perspective, check out the bold beginning series on the Juicebox podcast. It's hosted by myself and Jenny Smith, an experienced diabetes educator with over 35 years of personal insight into type one, our series cuts through the medical jargon and delivers straightforward answers to your most pressing questions. You'll gain insight from real patients and caregivers and find practical advice to help you confidently navigate life with type one. You can start your journey informed and empowered with the Juicebox podcast, the bold beginning series and all of the collections in the Juicebox podcast are available in your audio app and at Juicebox podcast.com in the menu while you're listening. Please remember that nothing you hear on the Juicebox podcast should be considered advice medical or otherwise, always consult a physician before making any changes to your health care plan or becoming bold with insulin. Like my like, what are you wearing? Is that? Oh, you don't know. Is that Young Frankenstein? No, well, it's the it's the bride of Frank The Bride of Frankenstein, because today is Halloween, because today is
Jennifer Smith, CDE 1:41
Halloween, and if I could, I don't even know that I can, I paint my pod, because for Halloween,
Scott Benner 1:47
let me say I also have a bride. Oh, that's awesome, Jenny, you did that yourself. Yeah, it's lovely.
Jennifer Smith, CDE 1:54
It's like, paint markers. You know, they're easy to use. The paint markers, I didn't know you were a
Unknown Speaker 1:59
Halloween person. Oh, we love
Jennifer Smith, CDE 2:01
Halloween. Our front yard is like, the boys can't wait as soon as October 1. They're like, it's time get the decorations out. Like, we've got, I mean, we have, we have, like, skeletons with like big swords through their bellies right now, and like, all,
Scott Benner 2:15
yeah, my wife is a huge decorations person, but we did some painting in the house this year, so it kind of didn't get done. So there's a mum and a pumpkin, sadly, out front of our house together, and I think that's a little bit of fall. So given this like I'm going to give people real time. Today is October 31 2025, it is 10am and you and I are going to do Bolus for popular Halloween candies.
Unknown Speaker 2:41
This was
Jennifer Smith, CDE 2:42
actually, that's so funny that we were like, on the same brain wave, because you usually come up with the ideas.
Scott Benner 2:51
So I'm going to finish with you. Send it right to rob. He's going to edit it, pull it together, and we're going to get it out this afternoon, in time for Halloween. So here comes the pressure. You ready? I asked the chat GPT, what are the 10 most popular Halloween candies? It said the first one was, what do you think?
Unknown Speaker 3:11
Oh, gosh, candy corn.
Jennifer Smith, CDE 3:15
Ah, Reese's Peanut Butter Cup. Peanut Butter Cup. That would have been my next one.
Scott Benner 3:18
Yeah. We won't ask Jenny if she's ever had a Reese's Peanut Butter Cup, but we will freak you all out by telling you that I've never had one because I don't like peanut butter. Oh, you don't like peanut butter. I don't like anything. You know. I
Jennifer Smith, CDE 3:32
know you're like tomatoes, although you tried one for me. Thank you.
Unknown Speaker 3:37
Well, you know that's okay. I got a
Scott Benner 3:38
couple notes online the other day after that episode went up, and there's like, do you think Scott's had a tomato yet? I said I had salsa and it was a little chunky? Does that count? Because I'm counting it. Let's see two. I've given up in these, by the way, from going to the websites for the companies, I just go to amazon so that I can see the label right. Calories per serving, 160 serving, size two pieces, which it says is 31 grams. There's nine grams of fat, three saturated sodium is not bad at 118 carbs for two, but that's lower than I thought it was going to be, although the total sugars is 16
Speaker 2 4:22
grams for two Oh, wait a minute, yeah, two pieces, 31 grams
Jennifer Smith, CDE 4:29
total carbs. Are these, the regular peanut butter or the mini peanut butter, my goodness, because they they do, you know, again, if you go to the fancy neighborhoods, they give you the real size candy.
Scott Benner 4:40
Then it's not just pantry pack. I mean, I can go back and look again. Hold on a second. We'll see if we can find another one. Here's one that looks a little more okay. Oh, Jenny, look at you. I. Am I right? Yeah, they're a little smaller than the than the average one. The average one is one package is 42 grams. So then that makes the fat, 12 carbohydrates, 24 total sugar is 22 which includes 21 grams of added sugar as a bit of sugar. So if the kid is rolling through the house and grabs this, and they're just going to have it as a snack.
Speaker 1 5:24
What are we going to do? Yeah, it's a great question, because it's a fair
Jennifer Smith, CDE 5:29
portion of fat, right? I mean, my estimate is somewhere two of these is somewhere around 200 ish calories. 2:10am I 210 Okay, and if you consider how much fat? Did you say? 1312, grams, 1212, grams. And if you do the rough math, right, about nine grams, nine calories per gram of fat, really, that's like half of this product is from fat, okay, in terms of calories. And so it's not like sitting down to what I said candy corn, which is just immediate hit sugar. Yeah, this is going to definitely
Speaker 1 6:07
be slower, so still going to
Jennifer Smith, CDE 6:11
need somewhat of a Pre-Bolus. But if you're rocking and rolling with a really great looking blood sugar, nicely in target and pretty stable, you probably get away with maybe 10 minutes. Okay, all right.
Scott Benner 6:23
So if we're just eating, just the Reese's 10 Minute Pre-Bolus, stick to the carbs on the on the label, 24 go ahead and eat. You're gonna see a little bit. I mean, there's 12 grams. I mean, listen, there's 24 carbs, sugars, 2221 added. So there is a shot of sugar there, but you're sick, but the fat's gonna kind of tamp it down a little bit. Yeah, okay, and tell people why chocolate is not a good, good treatment for a fast dropping sugar
Jennifer Smith, CDE 6:57
because of the fat, you know, naturally has fat in it. This obviously has very likely added fat as well, along with the peanut butter that has fat in it. So thus the higher fat content of this compared to just candy that's simple sugar, so it's not going to hit your bloodstream fast enough, from a digestive standpoint, to bring a low blood sugar back up. It also will not stop a really rapid drop. So, you know, blood sugar still in target. But gosh, it's like, arrow down. This is not what you would use on the opposite of that, if you're kind of coasting down nice and slow, and you really want to slow it down and have a treat at the same time. You could use a peanut butter cup to kind of slow that trend and stop it from getting too low. But it's not gonna be fast.
Scott Benner 7:52
I like the idea of every one of these that we do in this episode, which they're gonna get all of them together, that we talk about whether or not it's gonna be a good, low treat out of the bowl for the weeks to come. Yes. Okay, the next on the list, I won't ask you to guess it's something else that has peanuts in it. Peanuts, that would be Snickers, M, M's, peanut M, M's, really that's what chat G P T said. I mean, chat G P T is also not a person, so we'll do Snickers too at some point. Let's see peanut ms, about six servings per container, one ounce, 12 pieces. You know, how many times you've had 12 M M's, right? When you
Jennifer Smith, CDE 8:32
is that? Is that a fun size pack? Is that the typical one that's in the Halloween mixes that
Scott Benner 8:38
you like? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, okay, let's call let's so we have a way to measure it, 12 M M's that are peanut M M's, seven grams of fat, total carbs, 17 and total sugars, 15 includes 13 added sugar. So this is not the same fat content as the Reese's, but still some. So what do you also lower carbs and lower carbs too. So I mean is, Can M M's be a grab and go snack? Can you Bolus and eat couple months later,
Jennifer Smith, CDE 9:18
I would say you definitely need probably a good 15 minute Pre-Bolus for these. I mean, if, if you're looking at the fat, the fat is not terribly high in this, and it really is a heck of a lot more sugar coating in one, one peanut inside, where you getting, like, 12 peanuts, like,
Scott Benner 9:36
maybe, I don't know, I again, I've never had one of these in my life.
Jennifer Smith, CDE 9:40
So they do make chocolate covered almond. They make almond m&ms. Do you like almond?
Scott Benner 9:46
No, I have never
Jennifer Smith, CDE 9:48
tried to get Scott to eat candy. I've never had
Scott Benner 9:50
an almond. Is that the one that looks like a teardrop like, yeah, and they're real hard, right?
Jennifer Smith, CDE 9:56
They're pretty crunchy, if you get them, you know, fresh. They roasted? Yeah, no, you're like, yep, nope. Won't be trying.
Scott Benner 10:02
That's okay. Thanks. Thanks. Anyway, when you say, when you say nuts, to me, I hear tree bark. I hear dry and, like, I don't know, really waxy. Sometimes, like, peanuts aren't peanuts waxy.
Jennifer Smith, CDE 10:16
They could be, depending on how they're made, peanuts could be a little bit waxy, so you don't eat any nuts at all. This is so funny, like walnuts, pecans, anything.
Scott Benner 10:27
Jenny, let me say this with a lot of pride, I've never had nuts in my mouth. Okay, so that's it.
Unknown Speaker 10:35
Oh, that was great for Halloween. Thank
Scott Benner 10:37
you. Yeah. Hey, listen, I'll pivot off of my list for a second because you brought it up chocolate covered almonds. Just so people have some context. This is just a, I mean, I don't know. It's like, called, I like chocolate covered almonds. Oh, looks like five pieces. Is 10 grams of fat, 17 carbs, 15 sugars, includes 14. So honestly, peanut, peanut, M and M, same idea, right?
Jennifer Smith, CDE 11:04
Comparable, yeah, absolutely, and again, this being,
Speaker 1 11:09
in a way, higher, truly, less fat, yes, less carb. But in
Jennifer Smith, CDE 11:18
my experience, having had something like M M's with peanuts in I do know that they have a faster impact than something like a peanut butter cup does okay
Scott Benner 11:33
when we do number three here, which is Snickers, by the way. Do you want to do the fun size or the miniatures?
Speaker 1 11:41
Oh, I would say, Let's well, who eats one miniature really? I
Scott Benner 11:49
don't. Also never had a Snickers bar before in my
Jennifer Smith, CDE 11:52
life. Let's do the fun size, because I think those are the more common from what I've seen in Halloween baskets as I take my kids trick or treating. Okay, the fun size tend to be more of the given out size now, so I think that might be more relevant to the crowd
Scott Benner 12:10
chocolate, which includes sugar, cocoa butter, chocolate, skim milk, lactose, milk fat, soy lecithin, peanuts, corn syrup, sugar, palm oil, skim milk, lactose, salt, egg whites, artificial flavors. And what do you got? It is one bar, 17 grams, 80 calories. There is four grams of fat in this, and 10 car, 10 carbs, eight total sugars, nine includes eight added sugars. So this is the so this is the M M's with, I don't know if, I don't even know if I'm gonna call it less carbs, right? Because there's 17 grams there. How many grams are in 12 M M's? I wonder. This might be very similar Bolus. No,
Jennifer Smith, CDE 12:56
I would think that it is, quite honestly. Again, what does Snickers have? They've got that Carmeli carrot. They've got the nougat. I mean, that's just all sugar, the chocolate on the outside, sure. And the peanuts, they have fat, but it's not a lot of fat like the Reese's peanut butter cups have. So this is definitely going to have, I would say, similar to the M M's, same vibe, okay, same type of Bolus strategy,
Scott Benner 13:23
yes. Eminem Snickers. Bars. Not again, not good. Low treats if your blood sugar is falling very quickly. But if you're looking out on the horizon and you're seeing it 20 minutes from now, you think you might be drifting down through 80 into 70. It could be the perfect time for
Jennifer Smith, CDE 13:37
a Snickers. Could be the perfect time for a fun size Snickers, yes, and you know, in in line with what we're talking about here, right? Halloween people are many people will go trick or treating. Not everybody does, but if you do, the enjoyment of walking around and moving your body while trick or treating can often be offset without even having to cover these right? You might be able to have your fun size Snickers, or your little peanut butter cup or something while you continue to traverse your neighborhood without any impact on blood sugar and no Bolus, because you're moving. And if you're a kid, are you moving? Oh, you're rapidly moving, like it's the gap. You are flying from house to house to house. You're running up the hill. And it is what it is. So you can very likely get away with sneaking this in and no coverage. Do
Scott Benner 14:31
the kids still love the Halloween the way they did when we were younger? Or has this, um, has the has the new society ruined it for people? Oh,
Unknown Speaker 14:38
my kids
Jennifer Smith, CDE 14:40
love Halloween. They love that. I mean, we actually
Speaker 1 14:43
something fun that we do is we weigh the candy cakes for the hall,
Jennifer Smith, CDE 14:51
from the from the hall. Yeah, exactly, because it's fun to see, like, how much sugar they could pop. Possibly get in their their three hours, I tell you, man, we are out there for the entire amount of trick or treating time that's allowed Jen
Scott Benner 15:08
tell me something when you weigh the bag, if you were so listen, I don't want Jenny to sound like a Scrooge, but she she is a buyback program. She buys her candy back from her kids, right? Don't Yeah, she's laughing at herself now, in case you're wondering what's happening and so. But if you you know, you have knowledge of what they brought back in the past, yes, how many days or weeks would if they were going to eat all that candy, would you want it to be spread out over? You know what I mean? Like, yeah. Is it a year's worth of candy? Do you think in your mind,
Jennifer Smith, CDE 15:41
in my mind, it would be stale and hard by the time they could finish the pots of candy.
Scott Benner 15:46
If that didn't happen, though, like, what's like if you were giving nutrition information to somebody right now, and you said, Look, you got this haul. It's a ton of candy. I'd like you to eat it over six months, like in your mind, because it'd be gone in a week, right?
Unknown Speaker 16:01
Otherwise, it would
Jennifer Smith, CDE 16:02
probably be gone in a week. Yeah. I mean, it's like, one of those big holiday events. It's like, well, we got the Halloween candy. Is a lot of parents are super awesome. They put the candy up. Kids have to ask for a piece of it, or one piece goes into lunch every couple of days, or something like that. Or in, again, the line of discussion, which could be used for lows and which could be used in another way, like a real treat, you may end up separating the piles the really, really quick, sugary, sugary kinds of things versus the not actually. One of the little friends that we go trick or treating with, what they end up doing is they save all the sugary stuff, you know, the Skittles and that kind of thing, the Twizzlers, they save all of that. And then at
Unknown Speaker 16:51
Christmas they use it to decorate their gingerbread
Scott Benner 16:54
houses. Oh, that's a nice idea, yeah.
Jennifer Smith, CDE 16:57
So rather than eating it, they they actually use it for something else?
Scott Benner 17:01
Yeah, hey, listen, I'm just gonna tell you I grew up poorly and you didn't do Halloween. We did Halloween, but, I mean, I had two brothers, so there's three bowls of candy, and then it just turned into a swap meet. You'd be like, hey, I'll give you a malted milk bar for a Kit Kat, that kind of thing. And am I? I'm assuming my mom stole a fair amount of it from us. And also, I have to tell you, I'm a refrigerated candy person. Oh, so we finally hit one on the list that I enjoy, a Kit Kat, although I have to tell you, the GLP has completely ruined the Kit Kat for me, it does not taste the same anymore. So, Oh, that's interesting. I had a little one, like, a couple of weeks ago, and I ate it, and I was like, uh, never mind. So I'm a
Jennifer Smith, CDE 17:44
curious, like, just side note question about it, because I've, I've heard that before, the taste preference, things kind of change, especially for those carby
Speaker 1 17:53
treat types of foods. I had somebody tell
Jennifer Smith, CDE 17:57
me that something similar candy with chocolate, tasted like plastic, and she just didn't want it
Scott Benner 18:04
anymore. It can change the way food tastes. For sure, pizza is not as good any longer, either. You don't get the salty, oily feeling from it as much. And I'm a god. People probably hate the way I eat, but I'm a I'm an oil mopper, so when I get pizza, I take some paper towels and like, I soak all the oil out of it before I eat it. People are like you. You're such a pagan. They probably hate me. I without, I know you understand so. But pizza is not like I have to. I have to. I've just, I actually have to sprinkle a little salt on top of pizza to get the flavor to pop out of it. Now, Oh, interesting for people are like it ruined food for you. It also is going to keep me alive. So, and there's plenty of things that taste fine, I have to tell you, this is not the place for it, but the GLP turned food into fuel for me. So when I hear healthy people talking about Food is fuel, I was like, No, it's salt and fat and sugar. I don't know what you're talking about, but I don't taste it that way anymore. The only thing that I can still get like, a little jump from is, like, sorbet, oh, like, I can have like, a couple spoonfuls of sorbet, like, after a meal or something like that. I'm like, oh, that tastes sweet. Yeah. So anyway, Kit Kats, which I think are, are an awesome candy, or at least I used to believe that. I will
Jennifer Smith, CDE 19:30
tell you something funny about Kit Kats. They're not Kit Kats, but Whoppers, right? You know the malted, the malted balls, which would be entirely a quick hit. I mean, it's like, right? We start, Oscar started reading my older and we went trick or treating, like, Mom, look, these are woopers. I was like, Oh, well, that's wrong, but it totally is hilarious the way that you said it.
Scott Benner 19:58
You're forgetting. You. A milk dud or a whopper that's actually a dud. Like, they're like, you know, Whoppers are like chocolate on the outside, crunchy on the inside. But every once in a while you get one, they're hard or or almost like gummy on the inside. Like something happened to it never had Jenny's like, I've had one Whopper in my life. I've had a fair amount of Whoppers in my life, and I can tell you that that pops up sometimes, and Milk Duds the same way, like sometimes Milk Duds are weird inside, like they don't get mixed, right, or something like that, yeah. But when it happens with a milk dud, it's weird. They get real chewy. And anyway, this is kind of gross. This is just between me and my friends who are out there and like, yeah, Fatty, I hear you. Let's see Kit Kats are next on the list. Serving size one package, 42 grams, 11 grams of fat, seven saturated total carbs. Oh, a KitKat got a lot of carbs in it. 28 grams of carbs. 20
Jennifer Smith, CDE 20:53
is this for the two pack, like you get for Halloween, or is this the four pack?
Scott Benner 20:56
This is the, this is the like, classic, like, four pack, four pack, okay? And wow, 22 sugar or 23 sugars includes 22 grams of added sugar. So this is just, I mean, this is, this is the ones we talked about before. But just more, more, more carbs,
Jennifer Smith, CDE 21:17
more sugar and interest. Didn't you say 11 grams of fat. Yes, ma'am,
Unknown Speaker 21:23
that's interesting to me, isn't it? Does that
Scott Benner 21:25
feel low to you? No, it feels high because the wafers inside and there's no caramel or anything, right? Yeah, oh, I see your point. Well, maybe that's just where the flavor of this, by the way, most of this stuff is made by Hershey's, right? Like most of this stuff, Hershey's
Jennifer Smith, CDE 21:41
or Mars, I guess still, yeah, that is really, that's, that's the striking thing about this one. Is the fat content of a Kit Kat. I would never have guessed
Unknown Speaker 21:51
it to
Scott Benner 21:52
be that high. Okay, so similar to Reese's, but, but now, you know, because when you're bolusing for it, like, there's a there's a stretched out, you know, this is going to hit you for longer than you think. Because I think people don't think of chocolate like that. Like, I think they just see chocolate and they think, like, not, I don't know why, but chocolate, not carbs, I think is like a elite that happens in people's heads. I also see people treating loaves with chocolate all the time, and like, I'm just, like, Please, just please. That's not going to work as well.
Jennifer Smith, CDE 22:22
If you want the chocolate, eat the chocolate. Bolus for it, but don't use it for a low,
Scott Benner 22:26
yeah, also Kit Kat. I mean, in my opinion, has to go into the refrigerator. I don't know how you could Wow, yeah, I don't know how you could eat it warm.
Speaker 1 22:35
I know people like, as we said, initially, Reese's Peanut Butter Cups in the fridge or even the freezer,
Jennifer Smith, CDE 22:44
especially Reese's brand specifically, which tends to be a really soft milk chocolate type of chocolate compared to the dark chocolate type of peanut butter cups.
Scott Benner 22:56
So next on the list, Jenny is just a HERSHEY's Bar, so going full size bar, 13 grams of fat, 26 grams of carbs, 25 sugar, 21 added sugar. So just
Jennifer Smith, CDE 23:12
similar to a Reese's Peanut Butter Cup,
Unknown Speaker 23:14
it's a lot of fat.
Jennifer Smith, CDE 23:17
I will tell you my side story about her or about Hershey bars
Speaker 1 23:23
when I was younger and working with my dietitian educator and we were transitioning to,
Jennifer Smith, CDE 23:32
rather than just the exchange system, we were moving to learning to read labels for
Speaker 1 23:37
portions and carbs, my dietitian asked me, she's like,
Jennifer Smith, CDE 23:42
now that you know how to read a label and you know how this might match with insulin,
Speaker 1 23:49
what do you want to try? And my answer was
Jennifer Smith, CDE 23:53
an almond Hershey bar. That's what I was. That's what I wanted. Yeah, I don't know why I really, I really don't
Scott Benner 23:59
classic. It's visually classic, a Hershey bar. It really
Unknown Speaker 24:02
is. Yeah, that was what I wanted.
Scott Benner 24:06
I didn't expect to do this. This isn't on the list of top candy, but in case some of your neighbors are out there a little drunky around the fire pit, making s'mores for kids, let me jump right. Let me jump over and tell you that jet puff s'mores, vanilla, marshmallows, 21 ounces, it is. Let's see serving size two pieces in these marshmallows, you got 27 carbs, 20 total sugars, includes 20 added sugars. So if you take that 27 carbs for the marshmallow and go back to the Hershey bar. And what is that there? That is 26 that's 53
Jennifer Smith, CDE 24:51
and are you gonna eat a whole Hershey bar on top of, I don't know, unusually, you do. You probably do. Do a third of our Hershey bar on top. Or you'd probably do the fun size Hershey bars, which almost fit on top of the graham cracker.
Scott Benner 25:11
Okay, oh, God, we haven't even gotten to the graham cracker yet. Graham Crackers are the devil.
Jennifer Smith, CDE 25:18
They are high carb. They are like a saltine. A saltine cracker actually has a higher glycemic index than fruit juice. You know that to treat a low blood sugar, if you didn't have anything except a saltine, you are golden. Man. I
Scott Benner 25:33
didn't know this. That's crazy. Also. Now I can't put little crackers in my soup anymore. Thank you, Jenny. But one serving of I'm just gonna go with the honey made graham crackers. One serving, which is two full cracker sheets, is it says 24 carbs. I asked four squares. Yeah, yeah. And I want to just tell you right now the nothing hits Arden harder than a graham cracker. I mean, we used we we still have them in the house in case she gets low and doesn't want to eat a lot, because you can just take it anyway. Think about that before you look at us ruining s'mores for people happy Halloween.
Jennifer Smith, CDE 26:11
Everybody visit the house that's serving the smores in the middle of your trucking Yeah, not that you can really plan that, but maybe it's the like, we have a house in our neighborhood that has, like, it's an older couple, and what they do every year is they make home, make in their garage. It is a make and serve mini sugar coated donuts, really, and they serve apple cider at the same time, like mini cups of apple cider and four mini donuts in each little pack that goes to each kid that gets in line. Yes, it is like the best visited house in our neighborhood.
Scott Benner 26:50
Imagine, that's awesome. Jenny, Skittles are next? Oh, I just think of skittles is. Let's see how right I've been about this. I just think a Skittle is a carb. Oh, 100% Yep. And here it is. Oh, a serving size is 27 pieces. It has 26 carbs, 21 added sugar. I mean, I'm assuming most people are going to save the Skittles for low treats, right? But if you really wanted to enjoy a bag of Skittles, like, what are we doing? Like, I mean, this is a big Pre-Bolus, yeah, right. Long, maybe find a falling blood sugar before you start eating, because they're gonna hit you pretty immediately, right, correct, absolutely. Okay, all right, listen, I'm gonna do a couple more, then I'm gonna ask a bigger question about this. So, okay, next on the list, Sour Patch,
Jennifer Smith, CDE 27:38
kids. Oh, these are like, Skittles. I mean, not in terms of like, Skittles are nice because they're a gram of carb per Skittle, right? They're easy to count. They're portionable, etc. Sour Patch Kids, I can't remember what the carb count is. They might be like two grams per Sour Patch Kid, I'm looking
Speaker 1 27:58
but are going to be similar and hit Pre-Bolus, because otherwise it's gonna get you, yeah,
Scott Benner 28:05
Sour Patch, kids, I have it here as one bag, and let's see, there's 21 bag. I wish I had it differently than a bag, but she's one bag. 51 carbs, 44 total sugar. Like, this is just sugar. This is, I mean ingredients, in case you're wondering, ingredients, sugar, invert sugar, corn syrup. That is three different ways of saying sugar. So sugar, invert sugar, corn syrup, modified corn starch. That's it. It's sugar and and the corn the corn starch to hold it together in a bunch of colors to make the things so things so you might as well go to the Sugar Bowl and take a spoonful of it. Correct? Yeah. Okay, long Same, same as the Skittles for Bolus thing. Now, I think in my mind, a Twix bar in the refrigerator is the way to go, and it and it. Why do you laugh at the refrigerated part? You have to refrigerate it. It's awesome that way.
Unknown Speaker 29:09
Am I the Am I crazy?
Jennifer Smith, CDE 29:12
No, you're not. The only thing I've ever stuck in the refrigerator, honestly, is our peanut butter cups. And when I was growing up, I was a Girl Scout,
Unknown Speaker 29:20
the thin mint cookies.
Jennifer Smith, CDE 29:24
Those went in the freezer, and that was the only way to eat a thin mint cookie from Girl
Scott Benner 29:29
Scout. Okay, I have to tell you, like, somebody brought home girl scout cookies last year, and they just like, I have done a good enough job of like, weeding crappy food out of my life, but they made me sick, and I was like, What's in these garbage things like,
Jennifer Smith, CDE 29:43
so, actually purchase them for donation now, like, they don't, I'm happy to donate. I was a girl scout for eons, yeah? But I purchased them and then they have a donation. Like, sometimes they send them to the troops overseas. Or, you know, yeah, right, yeah. I know, I guess I just, I'm just putting money into something for somebody else, but,
Scott Benner 30:04
and he's like, I'm gonna live forever, but these people will be happy for a short time and then drop dead. So a full size Twix bar, one cookie bar, again, I feel like this is a, oh my god, 15 carbs, five grams of fat in one that means a package with two of them, and it is 30 and 10. Okay, so in one bar, five grams of fat. So a lot of this candy is the same, really, as far as Bolus and goes, right? Yeah, it's about, it's about how much sugar you're going to get hit with right away and how much fat is going to delay that hit
Jennifer Smith, CDE 30:41
right pretty much. And these, I would honestly go kind of along the lines of the peanut M M's and whatever. Yes, there are 10 grams of fat, but, Gosh, 30 grams of sugar. If you're going to eat both of them, that's a lot of that's a lot of carb. You think of the cookie and the caramel inside.
Scott Benner 30:58
Yeah, yeah. Starburst is next on the list. I'm just going to go original and sell tell you that six pieces, six star, I would never have six Starburst at once. But whatever I okay que sera, although I don't know if I'm the crazy one. Yeah, I'm starting to believe I am the longer we talk like this. But does anybody else match flavors up? Like, if do you take a red one and a yellow one, squish them together, squish them together, and then eat them like, see, right?
Jennifer Smith, CDE 31:30
I haven't done that since I was little. In fact, as you were talking before, about your brothers and you kind of doing a trade kind of system. My brother and I, we did do that when we were little, my favorite. They were the cherry ones, the red ones, they were my favorite. And then we would end up swapping and switching. But we did do the same thing. We'd see how mashed we could get it together, and then eat it almost like, almost like a twist and sandwich.
Scott Benner 31:57
Yeah. I mean, this makes sense to me. I haven't thought of that in a long time, Scott I like how you're like, I haven't done that since I was a kid. I did that with gummy bears three days ago, because gummy bears, Arden's low treats are those Albanese gummy bears. That's what we keep around the house. And I saw them the other day, and I was like, Scotty, gonna have a gummy bear? And so I, when I reached in, I grabbed like, four or five of them. And then I I found myself picking colors that I thought would match well with other ones. Anyway, six pieces of Starburst, two and a half grams of fat, 24 carbs, 16 from added sugar. This is just, this is sugar, just like everything else. Yeah, get way ahead. Maybe get the blood sugar moving on your side, moving down.
Jennifer Smith, CDE 32:41
I wanted to add one that it maybe it is on the list, but it has been a long term one that a friend of mine, she goes and she just buys the packs of them because they are her low treatment. Okay, it's the Gosh.
Unknown Speaker 32:57
What are they called? Now they're aspirin candy or that's actually
Jennifer Smith, CDE 33:04
in a particular community of people. They call them aspirin candy or Winkies, but they're the Smarties. Okay?
Speaker 3 33:12
Smarties, yeah, very common because they look like little. Oh, they look like little, yeah, okay,
Scott Benner 33:17
well, we'll get to them. We'll do them right after classic candy corn. How's that sound? Oh, this was number 10 on the list. I'm just gonna go to branches, because it's the overall pick on Amazon, and I figured that's how people do it.
Speaker 2 33:31
Geez, let's see. Oh, it's by package. No, no, don't they can't they break it down for me by by corn. You know, that's
Unknown Speaker 33:39
the funny thing is that that's, it's a Halloween or a
Jennifer Smith, CDE 33:47
sort of a, maybe, yeah, maybe things. But you don't really get candy corn in your treatment. Like there aren't individual wrapped packages of candy corn,
Scott Benner 33:57
no, but there's not a dish in your house somewhere. Is that just my wife, who thinks it looks nice and she won't eat it, but is killing me with it slowly.
Jennifer Smith, CDE 34:04
When I was younger. Yes, we did. We had a pumpkin that my mom put on the kitchen table that would have these and then the autumn mix,
Speaker 1 34:12
which no longer contains the brown, cocoa
Jennifer Smith, CDE 34:16
flavored autumn those were the only ones that I ever wanted as a kid.
Scott Benner 34:21
I don't this is a weird candy to me, because I can't eat more than two or three of them before. I'm like, these are horrible. But the first couple, I'm like, awesome. I don't like the chocolate tipped ones as much as the others. But have you seen the ones that are pumpkins now, those I like better than the candy corn. Anyway, this is not this is neither here. Have been around for a long time. I mean, I mean, I just found out about it a couple years ago. So 717 pieces of candy corn are 27 carbs. Holy Hell, that two is that two per almost, right? 22 sugar, no fat. So hit you like rocket fuel. Let me tell you what's in it. Sugar. Corn syrup. That's it? No, no, it's sugar. Corn syrup, and then contains less than 2% of the following, salt, glycerin, egg whites, confectioners, glaze, natural and artificial flavors. Mineral oil, honey, carnauba wax. I thought you put that on your car, but I guess you can eat it too. Vegetable oil, coconut oil, canola, artificial colors, sugar, it's sugar, okay. What did you say? Smarties? Smarties, yeah, these are definitely people put these aside for for low treats, for sure, right? Because they also they, they, what do I hear people say? They travel well in cars. They do okay in hot cars, right? Yeah, there's a lot of different reasons
Jennifer Smith, CDE 35:45
they are. I mean, in terms of it, I mean, they're just all sugar, and unless they've changed, I think they're for the whole entire role of Smarties. I think they're like seven grams of carb for the whole
Scott Benner 35:56
role. I can't even find, it's so funny, I can't find the nutritionally there's no nutritional label on every one of these I click on, I'm assuming that what they think you think is like a dummy. It's sugar. But let me see here. This one's from the company. Maybe they It's sugar free, gluten free, peanut free, family owned since 1949 Smarties your way you can put them on a cupcake. Jenny, Oh, would you like to sweeten a moment at a graduation party or birthday or social gathering? Maybe by gifting Smarties who like what soulless person in their marketing department came up with that I do not, my goodness, I just want to see the nutritional label on it. They are not giving it to me about that. Let me see if I can find it somewhere
Unknown Speaker 36:44
else. Chat. GPT give it to you at all.
Scott Benner 36:48
It would. But then, you know, I get from people. I'm like, Hey, use it all the time. I don't need to hear from people constantly. A roll of Smarties. Six carbs, that sounds pretty close. Yep. Okay, 25 calories, no fat. But they and tell people, because we just, we haven't said it here. The reason, when you're low and use one of those gels and you rub it on the inside of your cheeks is because that's a quick uptake for that glucose, right? Like the lining of your cheeks, it is absolutely so these simpler sugars, I tell people I've mentioned it sometimes people I'm like, you know, don't just drink the juice. Like, sometimes put in your mouth and hold it in there for a second or two. Like, let it, like, absorb that way, really, what's the word for chewing? Mask, what? What's that mastication? Yeah, yeah. Like, chop the hell out of that sugar. Keep it in your mouth for a little while. If you're having gummy bears or something like me, throw them. You throw them in your stomach. Now you have to go through the more of a digestion process to uptake.
Jennifer Smith, CDE 37:47
And as you're talking about that, you know, I actually consider Smarties as close as you can probably get to the glucose tablets. Can you find the ingredients for glucose tablet, or for Smarties No, no, no for Smarties, because I can guarantee that one of the first two ingredients is dextrose.
Unknown Speaker 38:07
Okay, hold on
Scott Benner 38:12
a second, the ingredients in the original Smarties rolls are dextrose, citric acid, calcium steroid, natural and artificial flavors and colors. Isn't dextrose? What they put in the IV in the hospital to Jack your blood sugar off real fast
Jennifer Smith, CDE 38:28
it is. I mean, they'll do a dextrose strip for a lot of reasons, right? But that's what glucose tablets are. They're dextrose. Dextrose is the simplest form of sugar, so your body really can absorb it in, as you're talking about absorption through the mouth, through the gums, right? It goes right in, and it gets into circulation, because your body doesn't have to chop that bigger, more complex carbohydrate up, unlike a Hershey bar or a Snickers even, where those are carbohydrates and they're sugars in there, but they're not dextrose.
Scott Benner 39:04
Okay, you're making me wonder about Neco wafers.
Jennifer Smith, CDE 39:08
Oh, Neco wafers. Do you know what the funny? Do you know where the Neco wafer, one of their
Scott Benner 39:12
facilities is, is it? Is it in Boston, Boston? Oh,
Jennifer Smith, CDE 39:17
you know, the only reason I know because we ended up somewhere on a business trip. We lived on the East Coast, and we went up to Boston for something, and we were driving, and we drove right past the Neco wafer there was like, there it was. And I took a picture, because I have a friend who,
Speaker 1 39:34
anywhere she can find Neco wafers, she will buy several
Jennifer Smith, CDE 39:39
Neco wafer packets, because she loves
Scott Benner 39:41
them. I grew up not far from the Nabisco factory. Oh, and when you got near it, you would just, you'd roll your windows down because the whole world smelled like warm cookies. It was really kind of thing. Yeah, it's not there anymore. Nico wafers, sugar, corn syrup gel. All right, listen. So here's the last bit. This, in my opinion, right? Let's wrap this up. Put a nice bow on it. You're going out there and you're worried, right? I see people constantly, always, newly diagnosed, people. My kid was just diagnosed. Halloween is coming. What am I going to do? And I think, I think you should treat the running around like, you know, the Pre-Bolus for picking out of the bag, right? And just make it through, yes. And if you're going to sit and hork, I don't know if this is a word, but if you're going to sit down later and work down a bunch of candy, you're going to have to take into account that there's a lot of carbs in it. There's fat in some of it. You're going to get a really hard hit from simple sugars, and you might get stretched out from the fat. I think if you can get through this night without a bad low or a protracted high, I think have a good time. You know what I mean? Like, I don't want to see be 300 overnight. That's that's going to be you misunderstanding the carbs and some of this food and the fat and some of this food. And I don't want to see you like not doing anything and running around and getting low. So, I mean, I didn't have a podcast when my kid was little, and we took her out trick or treating, but it's what we did. We you know, we watched her blood sugar, and when it did something, we're like, hey, guess what? It's time for. You know, you can reach into your bag and grab something now. So
Jennifer Smith, CDE 41:16
Right? And I mean, with the tools that we have now, comparative to what you had when Arden was really little, right? We now have all these algorithms. I mean, you were the algorithm, right?
Scott Benner 41:29
So staring her in the face to see if she looked low. I don't even know what the hell that means exactly.
Jennifer Smith, CDE 41:36
I mean. So you can make use of those tools. Do you know my funny little thing about Halloween is that, in my history of life with insulin and pumping, I moved to using a DIY system years ago, and my start day
Unknown Speaker 41:51
was Halloween. Oh, no kidding, yeah, I
Jennifer Smith, CDE 41:54
started, I started looping, essentially for my first DIY system. Yeah, on Halloween. On Halloween.
Scott Benner 42:00
You know, Halloween reminds me of the JDRF walks that we don't do them anymore, but we did them for the first 10 years of Arden's life with diabetes. And you know, the first one was October around here, she was diagnosed in August. So, I mean, she had had diabetes for less than maybe six or eight weeks. You get there and it's Philly, and there's a giant table of hot soft pretzels. And the first year, I was like, oh, soft pretzels. Then I understood. And then every year after that, I was like, Is this a cruel joke? Right? We take a bunch of newly diagnosed people who are not good at bolusing for anything, and give them a giant piece of dough. And then people just walked around with high blood sugars the whole time and though. And as the years went on and people had CGM, you just list it just be Beep, beep and soft breath, I was like, why is this happening?
Jennifer Smith, CDE 42:56
And I bet at that point there also wasn't the like. Now I just helped do the event here, which was really nice. It was in October. It was a lovely day. But the nice thing about the options that were there, they had multiple different options for multiple different choices for people, and they had all the carb counts and the nutrition information, so that as you pick things, I guarantee your soft pretzel that year probably had no nutrition facts. It was like, just
Scott Benner 43:23
enjoy the pretzel. Yeah, yeah. Meanwhile, and it's not for this episode, but if a soft pretzel doesn't have 75 carbs in it, I'm like, I'd be surprised. And they're awesome around I don't know where they are the rest of the world, but in Philly, they're good. They're good. Yeah? So anyway, happy Halloween to everybody. Have a great time. Please post your pictures in the Facebook group of your kids tricking and treating and let me know if any of this helped. Because we're gonna, well actually, I'm gonna text Rob right now and be like, Hey, would you edit a podcast for me today and get it right back? So let's see what he says. Fun. Thanks so much, Jenny. Yeah, you
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