#582 Squiggles and Squats
Mallory Hart is a type 1, an artists and a lot of fun!
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Scott Benner 0:00
Hello friends, and welcome to episode 582 of the Juicebox Podcast.
Today on the podcast I'll be speaking with Mallory. She is an adult living with type one diabetes and an artist. You can check her out on Instagram at Mallory heart art. It sounds like it's spelled, and there's no E in heart. Mallory Heart, heart, heart, heart. Heart, heart, heart, heart, Mallory heart. Anyway, she's got a really great style. If you want to check her out while we're talking. You should. Please remember that nothing you hear on the Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice, medical or otherwise, always consult a physician before making any changes to your healthcare plan. Or becoming bold with insulin. I did that in one breath. And now I feel like I'm gonna pass out. T one D exchange.org. Forward slash juicebox from the US. Are you do you have diabetes? Are you the caregiver of someone with type one head over there? Take the survey support the show support people living with type one diabetes take you less than 10 minutes. I promised T one D exchange.org. Forward slash juicebox.
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Mallory Hart 2:13
Okay, I hope I do good.
Scott Benner 2:15
Oh, what do you mean, you hope you do? Good? Do you worry you're not gonna do well? Yeah, hold on a second. I gotta get something off the shelf. Wait.
Alright, tell me what you mean that you feel like you're not going to do that?
Mallory Hart 2:30
I don't know. You know, I was what I want to ask you is how many of these do you record that you never aired? Because they were just so bad? It's
Scott Benner 2:36
my favorite question. How many do you think that I've recorded that? I've not aired because they were bad.
Unknown Speaker 2:41
Five? Zero.
Scott Benner 2:44
Wait, I've never, I've never I've never thought that was terrible. No one gets to hear that.
Mallory Hart 2:49
First one right here.
Scott Benner 2:53
This thing here, just in case you're right. One because the sound was so terrible. And the person I was talking to was an older person, they could not hear me. And I could not talk to them properly. So it's just a disaster. Sure that one wasn't because of what they were saying. It was because it couldn't be recorded. Well, sure. There's one that was never aired, because the person said something. said something about their gender. And they were traveling to a foreign country and were concerned that they would be recognized from the podcast. So they asked not to play it, which is a shame because it was really good. And there was one that I recorded that I think the person I was speaking to had a mental breakdown during the conversation. And out of respect for them. I didn't put it out, but I've never not put anything out because somebody just was terrible. Well, okay, alright, so it's not a real big bar to jump over Mallory, but I mean, you could be the first one. I guess. I could, we can try. So I've now introduced you. So you don't need to do that anyway, anymore.
Mallory Hart 4:09
Okay, well, I'm still Mallory. And I'm still here. And I still have type one diabetes.
Scott Benner 4:13
So when were you diagnosed?
Mallory Hart 4:15
I was I'm 29 now and I was diagnosed in February in seventh grade, which is in 2005 2005.
Scott Benner 4:23
Wow, you're 29 Now does it feel like a long time?
Mallory Hart 4:33
I mean, it's been more than half my life. That I do remember life without it, but it is just my life now. It's what it's what I do, and it's what I know. Yeah, I think I think it does feel like a long time.
Scott Benner 4:47
Do you have a go to moment when you think of life before diabetes? Is there a scene in your head that you picture more frequently than others?
Mallory Hart 4:56
You know, I used to my mom and I would like go to the mall when I was a kid and we'd get like, you know, like a giant like, like one of the giant cookies with like the frosting in the middle or the make it like a sandwich. And I'm sure we did this after I got diabetes as well. But I couldn't do that today. I would worry too much.
Scott Benner 5:15
If you ate that cookie. Yeah, your blood sugar would shoot up.
Mallory Hart 5:18
Yeah, for sure.
Scott Benner 5:21
You haven't had one of those cookies since you've been an adult?
Mallory Hart 5:24
Well, I don't think most adults would have that much frosting, cookie. And I, I probably have had the equivalent, I definitely love my sugar and my sweets. And really don't care it I'll give myself as much insulin as I need. But at the same time you're doing that was always like in the moment spontaneous thing.
Scott Benner 5:45
Like, hey, you and I are out. We're shopping. Let's get one of these big sugary cookies. Yeah, it just was never that simple again.
Mallory Hart 5:54
Yeah, yeah, I think so. It's still not for you. Yeah. You know, though, at the same time, the beginning of diabetes. You know, I wonder how how I made it this far.
Scott Benner 6:07
Wait a minute. Wait. You mean from where you started with where the technology was? And where the the the ideas were?
Mallory Hart 6:14
Yeah, we didn't know a lot. And I was, you know, I was a young teenager. And I didn't want to listen to my parents. I didn't want to listen to my mom. And they would try. But I didn't. You know, I wasn't listening to them. They could only tell me to do so much.
Scott Benner 6:27
Well, maybe you were right. I mean, looking back now that they really know what they're talking about.
Mallory Hart 6:32
You know, I don't know.
Scott Benner 6:36
How do you not want to say that they didn't know or you're not sure.
Mallory Hart 6:40
They tried. They knew. But there was only so much we could know. You know, I had I had really good doctors, and they would try but
Scott Benner 6:49
yeah, so what happened that made you feel like it wasn't going well? Was it hindsight stuff? Like you didn't know in the moment? You weren't doing? Well? Did you?
Mallory Hart 6:57
Yeah. I would say maybe five, six years ago. I really started caring, maybe less. I found the podcast maybe two years ago. But I would say about a year and a half before that. I've gotten my agency down to the sixes and I was you know, carrying I got my Dexcom
Scott Benner 7:20
Well, I was gonna say, was it that you didn't care? Or was it you didn't know how?
Mallory Hart 7:26
I think I didn't care. And every time I would think about it, it was so overwhelming. Yeah, go I have to check my blood sugar that many times and I have to pay attention to all these things. But it's so much easier if I just don't,
Scott Benner 7:37
okay. I want to understand not caring. conscious. Lee don't care. Like, what's the example I want? I'm gonna jump off a 10 foot wall. I'll probably break my leg. I don't care. Here I go. Or was it the? This is hard. I won't do well, if I try. And so I'm not going to try. And then I pretend I don't care about the outcome to get myself through this bar.
Mallory Hart 8:01
Yeah, I think the second one, I think the second one. Alright. So now definitely I give myself insulin when I eat. But I was testing my blood sugar once or twice a day at best.
Scott Benner 8:10
Okay. And you were just injections.
Mallory Hart 8:14
I've had no I had a pump since freshman year high school. I got a pump. Oh.
Scott Benner 8:20
But still just treating the pump was just a replacement for injections, though. It wasn't any, like, kind of advanced tool.
Mallory Hart 8:27
Yeah, yeah. When I, when I first started out, you know, we were on the two different types of insulin. I think one was Hume log, and one was probably the NPH you know, when was cloudy to mix them together. And, and then when we started talking about getting a pump, we started to do Lantis. And he blogged for, I don't know, we did that maybe for six months or so. And that was really just to kind of get you used to
Scott Benner 8:51
a little bit more. The more modern at that point, the more modern practice of having a Yeah, Basal insulin and a meal insulin, and then you would eventually go to a pump or just I guess Hume log was in the pump and then you were done with everything.
Mallory Hart 9:04
Yeah.
Scott Benner 9:06
Okay, hold on a second. Are you still nervous?
Mallory Hart 9:09
I'm good. Are you good?
Scott Benner 9:11
Nice. Were you nervous at the beginning, though? Or were you just like being funny about stalking?
Mallory Hart 9:15
Um, no, I'm nervous. I'm a nervous person. In general. Yeah, I
Scott Benner 9:21
just made this little noise. It was like a little laugh. I don't even know if you know, you made it. And I'm gonna leave it in because it's kind of cute. I can't even replicate it. If I try. That would sound silly. If you say if you do it again. I'm going to point it out to you. But okay, so you're a little nervous by by nature.
Mallory Hart 9:42
Sure. Yeah.
Scott Benner 9:43
You're nervous by nature. Do you remember naughty by nature? Are these young for that?
Mallory Hart 9:50
Or just don't know it. The movie? I'm bad at movies. I don't see movies. So
Scott Benner 9:55
I think it was a band. Okay, yeah.
Mallory Hart 10:00
Oh no, no, no.
Scott Benner 10:00
Wait, hold on a second. I'm gonna read you some lyrics. And if you don't know, that's fine, but there's no way you don't Alright, ready? Okay, I'm not gonna read well I don't think I should read them all maybe I just Well alright, let's go let's go for this I'm just gonna read it very phonetically army with harmony. Dave drop a load on them opp How can I explain it? I'll take you through nothing alright well let's jump to the let's alright let's jump down to the now we're just gonna do the course you download opp yeah you know me you down with opp yeah you know me nope wow that was 1991 How old were you in 1991
Mallory Hart 10:58
I was born in November of 91
Scott Benner 11:00
There's no way you would this wouldn't come back around for you. Wow we i How did we trip into a song that actually came out? The year you were born? That's strange, but you still haven't heard that
Mallory Hart 11:14
maybe I have I can't say that I have familiar
Scott Benner 11:20
I don't think I can play it for you. I don't think I'm setting up the play it for you. Experience matters so you can't hear that right what I'm hearing Yes, okay, hold on
I'm gonna have to cut this out later because you don't know
Mallory Hart 11:44
that. Maybe it's okay. I think I've heard
Scott Benner 11:47
I we're gonna go deeper into the song Hold on. Jumping. Gaming. Fun to know about how many brothers out there notice what
Alright, if you've never heard that you've never heard it.
Mallory Hart 12:10
I think I've heard it, but I don't know it. All right. What kind of music do you like? Um, I I like a lot of dark industrial type of music, but also a lot of like ad stuff.
Scott Benner 12:24
I guess there was no way you were gonna know that when you describe the music you like in a way that left me not knowing what that music was. So whatever we go dark industrial music Give me a band name that I would know.
Mallory Hart 12:37
Oh, I don't know what you would know. Well, what whatever. I don't I mean, the most like mainstream you can kind of get would be like Nine Inch Nails. But yeah, yeah, but then it that. That's like, like the surface you know,
Scott Benner 12:51
I say there's a deeper dive. Yeah. Are you bothered the Trent Reznor makes like movie music now? Yeah, he can do what he wants to do what he wants. Look at you with your fine, your beautiful hippie attitude. You don't care. If you're not from the upper Northwest, then I'm Where are you from?
Mallory Hart 13:09
I'm in Colorado, Colorado. That was close enough in Denver. Yeah, same thing.
Scott Benner 13:14
Yeah, you've got that vibe about you. I had no idea where you were from. But I was going Seattle, Colorado, like somewhere in that swipe of the country right
Mallory Hart 13:23
there. I mean, those are very different types of the country. But yeah, not to
Scott Benner 13:27
me. Not when I'm generalizing. It isn't Mallory's exactly the same. Please let it go. Yeah, yeah. No, you just have an easy way about you. You're not interested in voicing your opinion on to me. It's, uh, you didn't criticize naughty by nature, which I mean, let's be clear. Anybody could have like, anyone could have been like, Yo, Scott. You know, I don't know this. Because it sounds horrible. That's what you could have said, but you were just like, No, I don't know that. I don't think you're very sweet. Are you sweet in the rest of your life? Like kind?
Mallory Hart 14:01
I like to think so. Yeah.
Scott Benner 14:03
What other people say that you're? Sure. I don't even know what that means. Okay. All right. Now I have to get back in focus. I don't know how that happened to me. Just now. I apologize. Let me just say right now I'm sorry for what just happened with the transpiring? What happened? So you have a pump. And it's not a tool for like, I'm gonna make extended Bolus is in conquer fat and protein rises. You're just like, I don't have to get shots now. Yay. For me.
Mallory Hart 14:32
Yeah, I remember when I when we first did my pump training. And I was it was a refresh and it might have been sophomore year. But, you know, there's like the extended Bolus and the square Bolus teacher and they basically told us they're like, Hey, you don't you don't need to worry about that now and then. never brought it up again. Yes, yes.
Scott Benner 14:51
For now, don't let the tiger bite you. Now after you learn how to keep the tiger from biting you. We're going to teach you all kinds of tricks, where the tricks and never mind that's nice. So how many how many years? Do you think you lived in that kind of space?
Mallory Hart 15:09
More than I haven't, I think I Yeah. Yeah, I would say I think I got my agency down to like the sixes maybe five years ago. But, you know, before that, but I made it before and fine.
Scott Benner 15:22
Before that. What was before that? Are you unwilling to say or would you rather not?
Mallory Hart 15:27
Um, usually maybe nines 10s? I never knew what my agency was because they would tell me to back Well, that's bad. And then I would just erase it on my memory and, you know, go on for the next three months of my life until they would tell me again.
Scott Benner 15:41
Did they try to scare you?
Mallory Hart 15:43
No, no, they tried to help me. I had really good doctors and the the pediatric endo I had, he's great. And I really liked him a lot. And he did. He did great things for me, but I didn't care quite as much Do your
Scott Benner 15:59
parents lean into you? Try to get you to care.
Mallory, did I miss that I lose you or do you not want to say hello, Mallory's you. Yeah, there you are. You're back. I was like, oh my god, I asked you if your parents tried to,
Mallory Hart 16:22
I can't hear you. Talking
Scott Benner 16:24
testing, test, test, test and test test. Testing, testing, hello testing.
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Mallory Hart 20:42
Hello. I can hear you now. I think it was my headphones, because I just disconnected them as well. And we connected them. Okay. I think we're good now.
Scott Benner 20:48
So I so after you said that you had you know, you had good doctors. They tried to help you, but you didn't care. I said, did your parents lean into you? Did they try to make you care? And then there's so much silence. And I'm like, Oh my God, I've hit on some deep, deep seated tragedy inside of Mallory. And then I finally go. Mallory, can you hear me? You weren't there. So yeah. Anyway, did your parents like Were your parents with you at those appointments?
Mallory Hart 21:13
My mom was my mom was always there. And she tried to care. But I think you know, like, you know, when you're like in the car and you test your blood sugar, she's like, well, what's the number? What's the number? And it's like, just I'm not I'm never gonna say this number. Do not ask me like, this is not the way to get the number. I don't know what the wait for her was. I don't think there was a right answer for her.
Scott Benner 21:31
I have to tell you. I think a lot of people end up saying that a lot of adults in your situation looking backwards say, I don't know what my mom or dad could have actually done that would have gotten me to that place. Sure. Yeah. Is it the age maybe?
Mallory Hart 21:46
Yeah, I definitely think it was the age. I think that
Scott Benner 21:50
were you a problematic child in other ways?
Mallory Hart 21:54
No, I think I mean, I was an only child. Um, but I think I was pretty good.
Scott Benner 21:59
I didn't mean to say that you were problematic in diabetes. I just meant like, were you like, like, what was your free time spent with? Were you you know, cooking math? Or,
Mallory Hart 22:08
like, you know what? I mean? No, no. No, I was a good kid. I didn't I hung up by myself. I did a lot of art on my own. Yeah,
Scott Benner 22:21
you know, artists now for live. Yeah, that's that's my job. Yeah, you make the money that way. That is very do so is there something introspective about you? Are you an internal person?
Mallory Hart 22:36
Hmm, I don't know. I think yeah, maybe? Maybe. I've never thought about it like that. So yeah, we're gonna
Scott Benner 22:42
think about it like that now. So like, you don't worry. Don't worry. She never did. We'll just work it out right now with everybody listening. Meaning would your friends know your kind of inner thoughts? Where are they yours? Personally?
Mallory Hart 22:58
I think their mind
Scott Benner 22:59
okay. And the anQ would you call yourself anxious or cuz you said nervous. Remember we said by nature? Yes. I am anxious. Okay. Had you said anxious we never would have heard down with opp by the way. Then my ADHD would have jumped around like it did, which I don't believe I have, but that's not the point. So you have a lot like a level of anxiety. Is it a level that needs medication?
Mallory Hart 23:26
No, no, I've tried it in the past and it didn't really help so I was better off without it.
Scott Benner 23:30
Do you? Do you go with the the state bird of Colorado?
Mallory Hart 23:35
And yeah, yeah, sometimes I do. That's how you manage sometimes I wouldn't say I you know, I use that you know, regularly. But
Scott Benner 23:47
how does that come? I just may I ask you again? I want to I want to understand how that happens if you're not a regular smoker, then what happens in your life that makes you go I know what I need right now it's to hit some weed those words but I'm saying
Mallory Hart 24:03
yes yes those words exactly. Yeah, but no I think I never did in high school or anything because I was a good kid. You asked that I was good. But I think just curiosity
Scott Benner 24:16
curiosity got you started but what makes you today as an adult say I'm gonna do this today is it like life stress or or is it pleasure
Mallory Hart 24:29
it just it just helps you relax and I'll often use them and then I'll you know sit down for four hours and knock out a painting so I use a lot of details my painting so it'll just help me like focus and get them done.
Scott Benner 24:46
By focused you mean take away outside stressors like anxiety?
Mallory Hart 24:54
Yeah.
Scott Benner 24:56
You I don't know if you're agreeing with me because I'm the host of the show where You believe what you're saying?
Mallory Hart 25:01
No, I think I think so. I think so I'm often not good at figuring out what I'm thinking and putting into words. So I'm, the gears are turning while you're talking. That's okay. Yeah, I mean, I think it just did from the distractions and I could just focus on one thing and do what I want. And if I don't want to do that, that's fine.
Scott Benner 25:22
I I'm understanding now I'm starting to get it. So need to focus, have anxious thoughts, probably that are underlying, I don't imagine you're aware of them constantly. And then smoke a little bit. And then the anxious thoughts go away, then you can focus on the thing you want to do or relax? Yeah, I got it. Okay. Would that have been valuable when you were younger?
Mallory Hart 25:56
I don't know. I don't think I had as much anxiety when I was younger. I don't know why I do now. Honestly, I do think that it does seem, the more controlled, I got my diabetes and my numbers, the more anxiety I have over them not being good. And I'm sure that's fairly normal as well.
Scott Benner 26:17
So when you're just kind of throwing, throwing it to the wind, yeah, none of it mattered, but now you're paying attention to it. And so just the sheer process of paying attention adds other things to be concerned about. And they those things come to you as anxiety.
Mallory Hart 26:34
Yeah, I think so. Wow.
Scott Benner 26:36
It's interesting. I'm not anxious. So I'm always fascinated when people talk about it. Sure. Yeah. It's it really is interesting to me. And I don't know that there's a way through it. Other than, you know, the things people do. I mean, I mean, if we're being honest, and we look at society in general, most people probably drink right. And now more and more people are smoking. I mean, these are, these are steps to to help with this kind of stuff, I imagine.
Mallory Hart 27:04
Yeah, yeah, I definitely don't drink I only drink iced water. I just don't like the taste of anything else.
Scott Benner 27:08
You do not come off as a drinker at all? Yeah, like, what kind of art do you do?
Mallory Hart 27:15
I mostly I paint a lot of skulls and animals. I do a lot of cats as well. There's genre.
Scott Benner 27:23
How do I make money with us? What how do we make money with this?
Mallory Hart 27:27
Well, I sell my work. I mainly I travel around the country to expos shows conventions, that kind of thing. And I set up a booth and I sell prints, patches and pins, stickers on my work and that kind of thing.
Scott Benner 27:40
That is really cool. I could do on the interweb. It was very easy. Yeah, you can Mallory heart art. That's me. That's nice. I'm looking now. Lovely. Yeah, look at this.
Mallory Hart 27:53
Yeah. And then and I also I paint theater sets as well. It's kind of my day job. Once that comes back. When the world comes back, it will be at least
Scott Benner 28:01
tell me with that. And then what that means.
Mallory Hart 28:05
I paint theater sets for theater shows. I work for one of the biggest theatrical companies in Colorado, and we make the scenery.
Scott Benner 28:17
Oh, no kidding. So backgrounds. He kind of set the mood with with that. Is that what you're saying?
Mallory Hart 28:24
Yeah, yeah. So you know, the carpenters will build the set, and we'll texture it, paint it, carve it, whatever needs to be done.
Scott Benner 28:32
How do you get so interested in painting skulls? Like what's the what brought you to that?
Mallory Hart 28:37
The schools, you know, I really liked the texture. You know, I like I like darker things. That's always been the stuff that I've liked. And I started doing schools and I just kind of really got into them. I like the texture and like the little like divots you can get and they're all a little bit different. And then they started selling well. So once they started selling well, I just kind of keep doing them.
Scott Benner 28:55
Okay, kidding. It this one's really cool. skull with waters and black.
Mallory Hart 28:59
Yeah, like that.
Scott Benner 29:01
I mean, that there's a lot here. That's really why you're very talented. Congratulations. Well, thank you. Is this something you have to work out? Or was it very natural for you?
Mallory Hart 29:13
I mean, I'm, I'm a believer that talent doesn't really exist, that it's more of like something I enjoyed to do. So I kept doing it. And, you know, built up the skills and just, you know, putting hours into it and time into it is what makes me good at it. You know, each school the first one I painted is a lot worse than the last one I painted and they get better and there's ones that you know, you paint things over time and it's like, well, that's not good and you don't ever show that. But you have to paint, you know, X amount of bad paintings before you'll have any good paintings.
Scott Benner 29:43
Do you work in one medium, or do you jump around?
Mallory Hart 29:47
I jumped around. Most of my work is watercolor. But I do jump around. I'll do acrylic and oil sometimes, but mostly I stick to watercolor for now.
Scott Benner 29:58
You're more comfortable talking about About this and the other stuff that you know that what I do I just made you uncomfortable again. I'm sorry. Yeah, it's sort of like a thing I'm trying. Yeah.
Mallory Hart 30:10
Wow. And I, I also work in theater as well. So I'll run shows and concerts and stuff, you know, backstage and as a camera operator right now, the times were in, but
Scott Benner 30:22
so the COVID has caused you to have to branch out a little bit, or was it something you were already doing? You're just doing more of it.
Mallory Hart 30:29
It's just something the venue I worked for has transferred to doing
Scott Benner 30:35
sound testing? Where were you? When I was looking for a logo? Jesus, come on Mauer
Mallory Hart 30:39
would have done it for you.
Scott Benner 30:40
If you didn't know you then. Or, I mean, it would have been nice. Really lovely. You've been listening the podcast for a couple years. You said? Yeah. What What led you to find it?
Mallory Hart 30:54
It was one of your Dexcom CEO, interviews in another, you know, less than great diabetes Facebook group. Someone had posted an interview with a Dexcom CEO. And I said, that looks interesting. And I listened to it and
Scott Benner 31:06
own it was mine. Yeah. And then I was so amazing. You just kept listening. Exactly. See, that's what I thought. Now we're starting to get the hang of this now. Good job, Mauer. Yeah. You really talented. I have to get off your website, or I'm going to be able to talk to you. That's very cool. Oh, look at that pin. I would like that pen. Alright, Mallory, Hart. Art. And if you ever fart, I guess we could probably do another URL. But you don't fart? Probably. No, never. I didn't imagine. Yeah, I your stuffs really great. Good for you. That's really amazing. When did you start? When did you start with? With painting? How old were you?
Mallory Hart 31:48
Yeah, I've been, I've been drawing my entire life. You know, my mom always likes to say like, when I was in preschool, the rest of the class was like watching a movie. And I was nothing to do with the movie. And I would be drawing outside of the room. So I've always kind of done it. And then in high school, I had a really good art teacher and I got serious about it. And I went to art school. I have a degree in illustration. Where'd you go? Can you say? Yeah, I went to Rocky Mountain College of Art and Design here in Denver.
Scott Benner 32:13
Are you a Colorado born and bred person?
Mallory Hart 32:16
Yep. I like it here. So I've never left. Yeah,
Scott Benner 32:18
I thought nice. When you're, um, when when you went dead and you couldn't hear me. I thought maybe your headphones got high. And then I was like, that's what happened. They smoked in here. I don't know what happened. Now. It doesn't matter. Okay, so now. So you so you come to the podcast to the Dexcom interview? And then do you? And now you have more tools, but you say the tools make you anxious? Yeah. Can you talk about that a little bit?
Mallory Hart 32:47
Yeah, I mean, I'm sure I'm not the only one that feels that way. But you know, before, you know, I might be feeling off or something. I bet. Okay, well, let me test my blood sugar. And I would say 250. I bet. Okay, well, that's high. I'll give myself some insulin, but that's not why I'm feeling bad. You know, that wasn't a it was a high number, but it wasn't an out of normal number. But you know, now I'm like, oh, it's trending up. It's 150. You know, not that bad yet, but it's going up and then you know, get anxious about that. And then I have to continuously watch it and what kind of thing what
Scott Benner 33:19
happens? But what about your outcomes? Are your outcomes better than they were three or four years ago? Oh, 100%. Okay. And does that make you feel better? Physically?
Mallory Hart 33:30
Yes. To make you I feel I feel worse sooner. You know, if I'm above 200. Now, I feel awful.
Scott Benner 33:36
Yeah, that's good. By the way. Yeah, no, yeah. No. How about like, emotionally? Are you happier with yourself? Like, is there any feeling of contentment or not contentment that you succeeded somehow? Does it feel like you're helping yourself?
Mallory Hart 33:58
Yes, yes. But then I also I go back, I'm like, Well, the first 10 years I didn't do so well, and what damage have I done? You know, and there's nothing I could do to go back. I can't ever change that. It's the day, whatever, whatever is done is done. And it might hit me later. And it might not. You know, I worry mostly about my eyes because of what I do. They're important. And I'd like to keep them. Good. So I, you know, see the eye doctor at Barbara Davis. And he's really great. You know, but he sees signs of bad things happening and it's just kind of a do good now and see what happens and we'll never, it might get worse, and it might not. I won't
Scott Benner 34:37
know. Are they doing anything right now? Are they stepping in? Or no?
Mallory Hart 34:41
I just go yearly and they take the photos of my eyes and look at the depth for the dead squiggles and compare them to the last year's dead squiggles and see if we have any more dead squiggles and
Scott Benner 34:51
head squiggles. That's if that wasn't such a bummer. That is the name of the podcast.
Mallory Hart 34:58
It's fine, but that's fine.
Scott Benner 35:00
If you can, if you could just go for something slightly more upbeat the next time you're very, very, very thoughtful about that, I'd appreciate it. I actually, you know, I went back to your website, there's something wrong with me. Like, I'm shallow. I'm like, I can't look. But you said, you're really, really you're doing just very talented. How do you get information about the website out? Like, how do you do that?
Mallory Hart 35:23
Well, I'm, I'd say, I'm most active on Instagram. That's where I build most of my following. And then when I travel to shows, you know, I give out my business card, and people see me and then they might buy something, and they might follow me later, they might just take a card and follow me. Um, but you know, if they're on my Instagram, and they see something they liked, and they would go to my website to buy it.
Scott Benner 35:42
Gotcha. It's really something. I think I'm, I think I'm partially interested because I have no artistic ability. And that's, that's, it's just, it's, it seems very impressive that you do to me, like I couldn't, like if you if you told me, it meant my life, to do anything. That was even symmetrical. I don't think I could handle that. I guess I'm gonna die if I gotta make both sides of this look equal. So
Mallory Hart 36:14
big tools for that, you know, we have rulers and I draw a line down the middle and measure and
Scott Benner 36:19
you're being kind I wouldn't be able to find it.
Mallory Hart 36:21
I just be tracing paper. You know, we got things. Oh,
Scott Benner 36:24
I see. You're cheating is what you're saying. Yeah. So you're really only talented at drawing one half of it.
Mallory Hart 36:36
Yeah, you got to use the right tools to do the right thing. You got to make the job easier.
Scott Benner 36:40
That's really cool. I am. I'm just very impressed. And you're young. Still how old? You say you are.
Mallory Hart 36:46
I'm 29.
Scott Benner 36:48
And now I'm seeing a set from a play. Well, no kidding. Yeah. That really adds so much depth and everything to to what's happening. Oh, that's a I'm jealous. So not have your anxiety, though, that you can have. But the other stuff. Thanks. Cool. Oh, thank you. 29 dating? Got a purse? I
Mallory Hart 37:11
haven't. I have a husband. Oh, yeah. Yeah, he's awesome.
Scott Benner 37:16
Where do we meet him?
Mallory Hart 37:18
We went to high school together.
Scott Benner 37:19
Oh, he's known you the entire time. You've had diabetes?
Mallory Hart 37:24
Yep. We went to high school together. We did you know, theater together in high school. And we both work in theater now.
Scott Benner 37:31
So hey, is he at all involved with your diabetes?
Mallory Hart 37:37
Yeah, yeah, he knows. He knows what's up. He follows my Dexcom hope. You know, if he gets the urgent low alarm, he'll call me from wherever he's at and make sure things are good.
Scott Benner 37:49
So he's kind of like a warning system for you.
Mallory Hart 37:52
Yeah, he did want to put my insulin in the freezer on a trip. But other than that, he's, he's good
Scott Benner 37:58
in a hotel. Yeah. We're very upset.
Mallory Hart 38:03
We were we drove in for a show and it was late and he's like, can we put that in the fridge for you? And I said yes. And he was tired and put it in the freezer and I had a set change the next morning I had to do it I get to it and was not good.
Scott Benner 38:16
Now you just very artfully did not answer my question at all. Were
Mallory Hart 38:19
you angry? What was the question?
Scott Benner 38:21
Were you angry?
Mallory Hart 38:22
I was angry. Yes. But at the same time, he knew he screwed that up.
Scott Benner 38:27
And he let him off the hook a little. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Just one was it like a lot of would you do? Did you go with words are dirty looks or how to handle Exactly. Do you remember?
Mallory Hart 38:39
I don't think I had to do much he knew.
Scott Benner 38:43
It's a wonderful power that you have. Mm hmm. Yeah. i It's so one of the things I'm most jealous about for women in relationships is just that whole, like, I could be as upset as I like, I could be legitimately upset and I don't think it would impact my wife at all. I don't think she'd be like, Oh, no, obviously, I've messed up. I think she would completely immediately turn around on me and go Why are you acting like this? Mm hmm. Guys have a superpower. That's all kids making babies or anything like that?
Mallory Hart 39:17
No, no, not for me.
Scott Benner 39:18
Not for you. 100% Not
Mallory Hart 39:20
for me. How come? I I like mice. I'm too obsessed with myself. Like I wouldn't be able to travel and do my shows. I don't I don't want any of that. I have cats and a dog and that's great. I love them.
Scott Benner 39:34
Children would not fit your lifestyle.
Mallory Hart 39:36
No, no and I wouldn't enjoy it and
Scott Benner 39:40
I think I know you would enjoy having children by the by the mere fact that you said I would enjoy it. Those things would not be enjoyable to me. No, it's your mom ever talk to you about it?
Mallory Hart 39:57
Not really
Scott Benner 40:00
She doesn't she doesn't, like hold you up a little bit ever.
Mallory Hart 40:05
No, no, I think she realizes it's not not happening.
Scott Benner 40:09
Does she have other kids? No, I'm an only child. Right? You said you were an only child. Yep. Okay, well, that's very nice for not to give you a crap, don't you think? Mm hmm. Now, I don't know, you and I, I don't understand you. Sometimes you get so chatty about the art and on the other stuff. You're just like, I think I could say anything and you would agree with it. Is that true?
Mallory Hart 40:36
No, no, definitely not.
Scott Benner 40:39
Did you see me answer? You asked you that question on purpose that you would say no. No. Oh, okay. Is my sarcasm okay for you?
Mallory Hart 40:48
Yes, I love it. I'm a very sarcastic person myself. So
Scott Benner 40:53
are you out sarcastic me right now? And I'm not aware of it. Am I now, what do you think of that? That's funny. What's the last play you worked on?
Mallory Hart 41:11
Oh, it's been so long. You know, we haven't done theater for a year and a half at this point. But I truly don't know the last set that I've been we've done. I've done some little stuff. That's not necessarily for a play. We did like a Christmas. Or you want to call it a Christmas, like drive up walk through events at our theaters. So I made some cutouts for that, you know, some cutouts? Like take a picture in front of kind of thing.
Scott Benner 41:39
Yeah, okay. I understand. You're saying all right, but there's just nobody's out in the mountain. So nobody's going to
Mallory Hart 41:44
I mean, we can't we can't. The main theater that I do all my set work for. They can't afford to open up until there's no capacity limits or social distancing. I get it.
Scott Benner 41:59
I see. Yeah, yeah, they have to fill every seat in order to make it
Unknown Speaker 42:02
work. Yes.
Scott Benner 42:06
If it never came back, what would you do?
Mallory Hart 42:09
Um, I mean, eventually, I want to do my art full time. I'd love to be able to be successful at that enough. But right now most only about 50% of my my work life.
Scott Benner 42:23
Do you have like, do you have like a another like paying job?
Mallory Hart 42:28
I work in the other theatre backstage running shows pitches that we're doing hammers. Yeah. And we're doing at that theater. We're doing some shows at limited capacity. And we're live streaming everything. So.
Scott Benner 42:39
Oh, cool. I see. A lot of comedy shows are starting to happen again. I think that's got to be the beginning of
Mallory Hart 42:46
all this. Yeah, yeah. We're
Scott Benner 42:47
getting there. You know, the music I would imagine would be next. The
Mallory Hart 42:51
world's coming back. We're on the tail end of this. We're getting there. I've traveled for a couple shows on my art so far. I have another one at the end of this month. So are you vaccinating there? Yeah, yeah, I got I got an early I lucked out.
Scott Benner 43:08
Nice. I just got mine the other day. The lady I got j&j. Sona need one. Okay. But the lady went really high on my show. So I shouldn't Well, anyway, whatever. So I get there, right. And the woman's wearing a little name tag, and it's like her name. RN Miko was she's a nurse. That's nice. But she was how do I want to say this? She was a couple of years past where I would be hoping she'd be given me an injection. Just older, if I'm being clear. And there's a pat like a, I don't know if it was an Android pad or an iPad or something that she had to set the whole thing up on. And so after what felt like an eternity of her trying to work the iPad. She even joked she goes, Don't worry. I'm way better at the needle part than I am at the iPad. And I was like, Oh, I wasn't worried. And I laughed. But what I was thinking is Oh, good, because you're terrible at running this iPad. I am concerned about your dexterity all the sudden cuz she was trying to push buttons and missing them. You know what I mean? You were What's your mom do that on the phone? Like my mom? Yes. Yeah. It's Oh my god, it's okay. She's been a nurse probably like, forever, right? Like, she was probably Abraham Lincoln's nurse. So this will be fine. Not considering that Abraham Lincoln died. And maybe that that wouldn't have been a good thing. But so she's like, pops off the needle. And I'm like, Okay, what arm I said last and I put it out there and I relaxed my arm and everything. And then she just felt like she stabbed me in the socket of my shell. Like, oh, my whole arm hurt, like, instantly and then the pain like ran down a little bit. And she pulled it out and like God damn, like, she's like, how is that? I go, great. Thanks. She goes, Do you need a bandaid? And I said, Why don't you tell me if I need a band aid and she goes, doesn't look like you do and I said, Well, then I'm not going to take a band aid and i i left but then like a day or two later I sent in my wife like in my arm is still sore. And she looked and she goes, it is so high up on your shoulder. And then we've started thinking about how long the needle was. And I was like, did she just put it like right into the, into the joint? Maybe? I don't know. Anyway.
Mallory Hart 45:16
Um, at least you don't have to go back to her for a second one.
Scott Benner 45:19
I would do it. I honestly think if I'm being completely honest, I could have given that injection to myself and other better,
Mallory Hart 45:26
right, I'm sure you could have. Sometimes I want to ask, What can I do that
Scott Benner 45:30
I could get? I felt like saying like, let me let me get this. She just I don't know. She was lovely. She was, you know, nice and kind. And everything
Mallory Hart 45:40
just sounds like it. It sounds like it sounds like it was a lovely experience. The whole thing
Scott Benner 45:43
was actually the entire experience was a disaster. But she seemed like a lovely person is what I'm saying. And then she afterwards she goes, this is only the second one I've done. That I wanted to go back to the guy. It's like the entrance has sent me over there and be like, Yo, man, come on.
Mallory Hart 46:02
back, go back and get another
Scott Benner 46:03
send me to the new lady who didn't understand how to like push, like her finger on the iPad, like, anyway, but I am vaccinated now I'm very happy about it. And yeah, I did not have any healthy like I didn't feel you know, sometimes people say feel sweaty, or you can get like a light fevers, nothing like
Mallory Hart 46:23
that. I had a horrible night after the second one. But I made it Jeff Maderna or Pfizer. I had Maderna and the second one I had like a fever of like 102 all night, then, you know, couldn't sleep at all because I felt horrible.
Scott Benner 46:35
Do you need more insight?
Mallory Hart 46:37
I didn't really?
Scott Benner 46:39
Do you normally when you get sick or do you not get sick very often.
Mallory Hart 46:44
I feel like I get I get my fair amount of colds and stuff. And sometimes I do. You know, after the first shot, I felt like I needed a little bit more insulin, but it could have been anything that made me need that more insulin. So I didn't notice it a lot after the second one. Yeah,
Scott Benner 46:59
I don't even remember being sick because of COVID and wearing a mask outside and everything. I haven't felt like heavy felt second over a year. It's been great. You don't I mean, like I might keep up this life as part of me. It's like I'm like, maybe I will like, at least during flu season. You know what I mean? Like, I'll be like, Hey, girl, she stopped me cover my face.
Mallory Hart 47:18
I hope we can get to a point where if you had a cold or flu, but you were gonna go out? Maybe you would wear a mask? Oh, I see. I don't. Yeah, I don't think we're going to but it's some I thought you're hoping
Scott Benner 47:29
for other people to learn? Not yes, no, I'm gonna stick with me learning. I'm not gonna lead on anybody else for this. This is this is?
Mallory Hart 47:37
Yeah, I think we're I think we've learned our lesson. Yeah, we know the people to take care of other people. It's not.
Scott Benner 47:43
Other otherwise I have to say that like for things like your job, and just stuff that I've witnessed with my kids. You know, it's been obvious. I'm saying something completely obvious. But this is going on longer than people seem to have the capacity for. At this point. I don't think it's anybody's fault. Like, it's not like you should try harder. I just mean, like, my kids need to have a schedule and leave the house and need to get dressed to go somewhere. I think that might be the biggest loss of all this is is a schedule.
Mallory Hart 48:19
Without that I don't need a schedule. You don't have it. Yeah, you're an
Scott Benner 48:23
adult to true. I mean, ish. As we're talking. I'm realizing you're more like a being emotionally where you're right around 19. Toy. Fair, right. I'm at 16 like that. Yeah. So yeah. But like my daughter needs to, like, get up in the morning and have to get dressed. Like, like, she shouldn't be able to what she said to me like an hour ago, and she came into the kitchen to like, drop something off. And she's like, I'm gonna work out and I'll school's over. I was like, okay, and I hear my wife go, are you wearing a bra? And she goes, I don't wear a bra for school anymore. I feel like she needs to be in a situation where school equals undergarments. Yeah, that might be valuable. Yeah,
Mallory Hart 49:03
yeah, I get that. I get that. But it's been a good year. I mean, not a good year, but it's been a good year of getting to like stay home and not, you know, have to get dressed every day. And
Scott Benner 49:13
I'm sure that I'm going to defend you and agree with you that, that I did enjoy the break. Like I've been alive a lot longer than you. But I did enjoy the the time of not rushing around. Like we do, like in the course of a lifetime. Like I didn't Yeah, you know what I mean? You lose track of the fact that you'd never stop.
Mallory Hart 49:38
Yeah, yeah, I'm getting back to traveling for shows to sell my art and it's, you know, what I'm signing up for I do have, you know, 10 to 15 of those a year and I didn't do any for you know, over a year. And I'm starting to do those again. So that's starting Yeah. A lot of planning and stuff goes into that.
Scott Benner 49:57
I will say that you know, with a bit of a A vacation time that my wife gets, we usually use it throughout the year, she'll take like a day off here a couple days before Christmas, like you're always using it to prep for something. And I think it's possible that moving forward, we will start taking it in bigger blocks, like looking at that time as respite and not just like, Oh, here's a day where I don't have to work so I can accomplish something else. Mm hmm. I mean, at least I feel that way. And I want to, I would like to see more of the country. I've suddenly that seems important to me to get to the places that I wanted to see that I haven't seen yet.
Mallory Hart 50:32
Yeah, that's one thing I like about taking my art around the country and selling it as I get to go to all these new places that never been. Yeah. And I drive everywhere, too. So
Scott Benner 50:41
that's what we're gonna do, too. We decided we're going to, to do it that way. My son was just in Colorado. Oh, cool. He was in Wyoming. And then it's not as fun. No, not that. I think they wouldn't think they were snowboarding. And then they drove home but they very purposely drove home. They went to Moab Moab. Is that how you say that desert? Yes. No. Yeah. And then they went to the sand. Dune Sand Dunes National Park. That's right.
Mallory Hart 51:10
Yep. That's it's pretty self. But yeah, yeah, I went there when I was a kid. I have some memories of it.
Scott Benner 51:17
What were your memories of it?
Mallory Hart 51:18
I remember it rained. It was like a huge store. But it rained a lot. And we had to like, walk my parents like, Oh, we're gonna go walk the sand dunes. And it's like, raining and we had to walk through this like, shallow. Like there was like six inches of water we had to walk through if we take our shoes off, and then like, our legs got all wet. But then it was like, sand just blowing on our legs. And it was so painful. And I'm like, why are we doing this? This is miserable. But now you're older. Do you know why you did it? Yeah. And then there were fire ants where we were camping. I'd like to go back someday. But that was not
Scott Benner 51:51
your poor parents got you there and they're like, look, we spent all the money we have getting you here. This day. We're gonna be here.
Mallory Hart 51:57
My mom worked for the National Park Service. So we'd get to go to the parks with her. Sometimes mom's
Scott Benner 52:02
a hippie as well. I didn't know this. Hold on a second. I'm talking over you but I don't feel completely bad about it. Your mom's a hippie to what? Your mom you're a hippie. You know that Mallory, right? No, no, Mallory. You do art for a living. You paint sets in plays. You travel and share your stuff with people and your mom worked for the National Park Service. Yeah, and your dad made tie dye. No. was just one kid. They had one kid because they probably were like, Alright, that's enough. We have stuff we want to do, too. Or you were just a pain in the ass. They're like, let's not do that again. Am I wrong? You
Mallory Hart 52:44
know? I don't think I'm a hippie. I think you're wrong about that. Okay. I think I'm a modern, artistic goth kid that grew up I think is how I would put it.
Scott Benner 52:58
Okay. But yeah, interestingly enough, I see that the same.
Mallory Hart 53:01
You can't, you can't see me. But you could go to my website and go to my about page and see a picture of me, but I have like blue and purple hair.
Scott Benner 53:08
Oh, well, don't you think that's modern? Alright, I think so. Hold on first. I'll do that.
Mallory Hart 53:14
I only wear black. I don't think that's a very hippie thing.
Scott Benner 53:20
I don't know. I think you're being like you're being you're thinking about the 60s and I'm just thinking about it as a vibe.
Mallory Hart 53:26
Maybe? Maybe.
Scott Benner 53:27
What do you mean, maybe? I know what I'm thinking. I might be wrong, but I know what silly thoughts are Wait a minute, I'm on 20 Work originals for sale, patches, pins, prints apparently.
Mallory Hart 53:39
onto the side, you can see the about there's a picture of me down. I say all this. I'm gonna redo my website pretty soon. So it's gonna be all different by the time this episode comes out,
Scott Benner 53:49
I do not see about just so you know. I can go up here and type about after the URL and find it that way. Oh, hi. Oh, there you are. Hello.
Mallory Hart 54:02
Nice. Me.
Scott Benner 54:03
It's nice to see you. Yeah, you're just a modern hippie. It's all okay. Okay, if that's what you want to say why it's not Oh, I like to wait. I don't want to say anything. I have to say something or the podcast that was being a podcast. Cue imagine if I was just like, slow and I didn't really talk much. You'd be like, wish this guy would talk more. But no, no. Nevertheless, I think it's, um, thank you. It's really interesting. How, like, you've described a number of different parts of your life and that and the diabetes and how they all sort of you can see how they intersect with each other. But they don't they don't seem to overwhelm each other, which is nice. You're not You're not overwhelmed by your diabetes.
Mallory Hart 54:49
Yeah. You know, and I, early on when I got diabetes, my parents didn't, they never wouldn't hold me back from anything. You know, I said I got diagnosed in February of seventh grade, the summer After eighth grade, I didn't exchange trip for a month in Japan. And I look back on that, like how in the world my parents thought that was a good idea. But it went fine. Yeah, well, I guess, you know, they sent me with a bunch of syringes and some insulin and, you know, eating foods I knew nothing about and
Scott Benner 55:18
you got through it. You got through it. What's your biggest concern through those years was being too low, right? You didn't want to be low?
Mallory Hart 55:27
Yeah. I didn't want to feel bad. I didn't want to be low. What was obviously if I correct if I tested I saw my blood sugar was high, I assumed I would have done something about it.
Scott Benner 55:43
So it's so interesting to talk to people who've had diabetes for like, decades, because especially those of you who've, like, I guess, gone to a different management's thought, like you can even imagine you see, like the way you handle yourself now in these couple of years. It's not in any way reminiscent of how you live prior, right?
Mallory Hart 56:04
Yeah, yeah, I do. Do better now.
Scott Benner 56:09
Better. That's how you think of it is better? not different.
Mallory Hart 56:12
I, it's weird to think back on how I didn't care. Like I think there were definitely days in a row, I would go without testing my blood sugar, but I was fine. I don't know how well you felt like am I miss remembering that? Like, did I actually test my blood sugar like six times a day? And the answer is definitely not like I was doing one to two times a day, maybe three at most, right. But by fine, you know, I would I would estimate the carbs and take the insulin and it would be worked out.
Scott Benner 56:43
See that's I'm this has got nothing to do with you. Specifically Mallory. Like I talked to so many people who are in your situation, meaning how long they've had diabetes? Like I that that answer that you just gave like that remembrance is consistent through adults? Like I did find? Yeah, it was fine. Then I'll say what was your one thing? They'll be like, I don't know, nine or 10. But I but they don't see that as competing?
Mallory Hart 57:09
Yeah. Now when I look back, I'm like, Oh, bad. That was very bad. Like, why I'm so mad at myself. How did I do that? But like, there's nothing I can do about it now?
Scott Benner 57:17
No. Oh, no, you shouldn't you shouldn't worry. We shouldn't worry for a second about it. It's just I find the maybe it's the wording. But everybody picks the same words. I did bad. I was fine. I felt okay. Like, it's it's very interesting that everyone uses the same kind of phrasings. And yet they know even when they're saying it, like you're saying it now from our perspective and 2021. Like, you know, that, like that wasn't what you would have hoped for had you known. And yet you do describe it as fine. And so to so many other people, I guess what that shows is the that that was the level of understanding at that point, you were doing what you were told to do, right?
Mallory Hart 58:01
Yeah. And I think they would try to, they realized, like, you know, they'd given their meter and they take, well, we need more data, you need to test more. Okay, then I wouldn't, they would tell me again, in three months, like, look, there's nothing I could do with this amount of data, maybe increase your Basal rates, but like, test more, I look at this next time,
Scott Benner 58:18
and you didn't test because you didn't want to see the number because you didn't want to be bothered. Just
Mallory Hart 58:22
yeah, I think I didn't want to be bothered. I didn't know really any other type ones as well. You know, there'd be like a couple at the school. You know, they'd like at the beginning of the year, they called to meet the nurse's office together, but I didn't know them.
Scott Benner 58:36
Does it feel like it was maybe if I,
Mallory Hart 58:39
maybe if I was closer with them, it would have been different. I never I never wanted to go to diabetes camp either. Like that was like my mom couldn't have paid me to do that. I had no interest.
Scott Benner 58:49
You wouldn't have seen the value in that community at that age. But you see it now.
Mallory Hart 58:54
Yes. Yeah. Has actually give my mom a hard time. Like, why didn't you make me go? And she's like, like, Haha, you would not have gotten it?
Scott Benner 59:01
Yeah, you would have just argued about it. Yeah. Um, I had a question and then I talked over top unit made me feel bad. My last my question. I find it It's in here somewhere. Might not be, um, school. Goddamnit Oh, I'm upset. I was excited to ask a question. All I remember is that I wanted to ask the question, not what it was. And I don't want to walk back through it to find it. But I do. Damn it. You're in school. Friends, friends. That new dash. I lost it. This is this is my age catching up with me right here. I've lost. Oh, it threw me for it. I'm like spinning out of control. Mowery. You say something? I
Mallory Hart 59:51
wish I could help you. I wish I could help you. I don't know what you were going for. No,
Scott Benner 59:54
I know. There'd be no way for you to know. Because I talked about naughty by nature. The biggest See, you can't imagine anything that I might say. You're right.
Mallory Hart 1:00:05
I didn't say anything.
Scott Benner 1:00:08
I love you. I know it's early. We've only known each other for 55 minutes, but I really enjoy your talking to you. Thanks. Thanks. You're welcome. Thanks. I feel like you're tolerating me.
Mallory Hart 1:00:18
No, no, I like you this reason I listened to most of your podcast episodes. Not all of them, but I listened to most of them.
Scott Benner 1:00:24
Yeah. What kind? Are you not interested in?
Mallory Hart 1:00:27
Um, honestly, it just comes down to my life. If I'm not listening to a podcast that week, and then I've built up you know, the last 10. I haven't listened to I'll just pick and choose the ones. And that makes sense. move on from there,
Scott Benner 1:00:39
does it not? Is it is it unhelpful, that I don't tell you what they're about?
Mallory Hart 1:00:44
No, no. So I guess sometimes I'll find myself like, I'll do the like, the pro tips or something. Because they're shorter. It's less, you know, less commitment. I yeah,
Scott Benner 1:00:54
I am fascinated by I've come to understand that there's a whole aspect of how people listen that I have no control over. But in the beginning, it's, it's funny. In the beginning, it feels like you could do the exact thing that would get people to listen to me. And I was just like, that's not how this works. And, you know, I've figured that out years ago, but like, there's a little kid inside of me who's like, you don't listen to every one of them I work really hard on. But it would, I wonder if you had a showing if you put your art up in a space, and I very carefully looked at a few of them, and then whipped past five or six feet of things hanging on the wall and then slowed down again, if you wouldn't be like, Yo, what's wrong with those?
Mallory Hart 1:01:39
I think it's what what you like and what catches your eye?
Scott Benner 1:01:42
Yeah. No, I see.
Mallory Hart 1:01:45
I never went back and listen from the beginning, which it seems like a lot of people do. You know, when I found the podcast, and I listened to one, I did listen back to a few of them, but that I just kind of started listening to the recent ones.
Scott Benner 1:01:55
Yeah, I think there's a couple of different ways that people listen, they're the ones
Mallory Hart 1:01:59
but at the same time, I also felt like I had a pretty good handle on my diabetes. I didn't need to go back and listen to the basics in a way.
Scott Benner 1:02:06
No, I hear that. And yeah, there. I mean, there's obviously there's a lot of management stuff that if you know it, you know it. You don't need to hear it again. Doesn't mean I can't download it. Mallory understand what I'm saying? Just down, okay. I'm saying help out the cause a little bit. You know, I mean,
Mallory Hart 1:02:24
all my devices down there my husband's phone. I gotcha.
Scott Benner 1:02:27
Like, if I came to your show, I'd walk around and I would gladly sell I love this. I think I'm gonna buy this. But while other people were watching, I'd be out there shilling for you. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, seriously? Kidding. I would help out. No, I appreciate that. I think there's some people who listen, some people are completionist. Like, they'll start at the beginning. And they'll go to the end no matter what they're compelled to do it in a way that, like, I don't understand. I think some people just want the management stuff. I think some people want the management stuff so badly because they need it, because they're in trouble. But they want to listen as well. Those people are I love those people the most, I guess, because they go back to the beginning and listen, but then jump through the management stuff at the same time. It's almost like they're listening to two different podcasts within the same feed. But anyway, I appreciate everybody that listens, honestly.
Mallory Hart 1:03:17
Yeah. And I've recommended it to people, you know, if I need it, if I need a type one in the wild, I recommend it.
Scott Benner 1:03:23
Do you have any type one friends now?
Mallory Hart 1:03:27
No. Still I have a professor from college who I talked to and he's type one. I think if you went through my Facebook friends, that'd be the only one
Scott Benner 1:03:38
okay? You meet them or you're not I just don't know
Mallory Hart 1:03:42
them. Like they don't they don't make their way into my life.
Scott Benner 1:03:46
You're not avoiding people type one diabetes. No,
Mallory Hart 1:03:48
no, you know what I'm selling it show sometimes someone will come by and they'll have an insulin pump on their pocket or a pot on their arm. But I'll say something. And sometimes they're really open to it. And sometimes they like wish I hadn't brought that up. But
Scott Benner 1:04:00
it's hard to tell, isn't it? I saw a woman Yeah, you know, but I think
Mallory Hart 1:04:03
that when I was younger, if I saw somebody who looked like me, I think I would have wanted that.
Scott Benner 1:04:13
Yeah, my I can see that. I can see that perspective. I wonder if the people
Mallory Hart 1:04:18
who don't see here once a year, so I'll do a post on my Instagram of something I'll paint something diabetes seem to do a big post about it. But that's about as much as I try to cross over those things.
Scott Benner 1:04:31
Are you Mallory, heart art on Instagram? I am that smart branding. keep everything the same.
Mallory Hart 1:04:39
Some of their Malory heart to call the straight up Mallory heart tags, handles so I had to had to take the Mallory heart art one
Scott Benner 1:04:46
she ever go after.
Mallory Hart 1:04:49
The person who has the Gmail account occasionally forwards me things like I think this might have been meant for you. Oh, isn't that nice? Well, it's usually like a very generic arts. Bam, email that goes around. Oh, buy something for my wife in the category of $50 to $5,000. Please send me available works.
Scott Benner 1:05:09
I like it when people contact me and they're like we I might get my client would be perfect for your podcast and then I look and I think, no they wouldn't and you don't think they would? Stop? Yeah, well your Instagram is great. Thank you at Mallory heart art. should check that out me. Listen, very love. It's really something. Thank you, of course. Is it? Is it nice to hear? Or is it uncomfortable to hear?
Mallory Hart 1:05:36
I like it. I like some positive feedback.
Scott Benner 1:05:39
It's nice to hear I got better at it over the years.
Mallory Hart 1:05:42
I think that's one of the reasons I like to sell my art shows because you get people coming up to you telling you how nice everything looks. And you don't get that when you're working at home in your studio.
Scott Benner 1:05:50
Nobody. Your cat doesn't let you know that really does look like me. Thank you. Do you paint your own? Look at you have you have you did a really a nice piece of benders head. That's why nice.
Mallory Hart 1:06:07
I did that for my husband. Drama fan. Yeah, you should do
Scott Benner 1:06:10
if you did something for Coraline, my wife would force me to get it for her. Right away.
Mallory Hart 1:06:16
I talked to I try not to do too much fan art copies. I do. I do some
Scott Benner 1:06:22
for somebody personal like
Mallory Hart 1:06:24
a friend. Yeah. Like most of what I paint, I paint when I want I sell prints of it, they will realize what sells well and try to cater to that as well. I
Scott Benner 1:06:35
guess when you're doing it for for a living, you do end up having to go where people's interests are right. Do you ever find yourself having an idea and going I can't do that it won't. It won't sell?
Mallory Hart 1:06:49
Yeah, sometimes I'll do it anyways. Or I'll do something small. Sometimes I work small. And then if people like it, I'll do something bigger. It's I can do prints of and sell it and mark it off it but
Scott Benner 1:06:58
Gotcha. That's amazing. That's very cool. The internet like this wouldn't be possible without the internet, right?
Mallory Hart 1:07:04
Yeah. Yeah. The people say that the new Instagram and the internet's like the new gallery. You know, well, gallery shows are still a thing. You can you can show anything you want now online.
Scott Benner 1:07:15
Yeah, it's so easy to just admit when you're talentless, and you're a talented person. If you weren't talented, it wouldn't be that easy. You have like a massive following on Instagram
Mallory Hart 1:07:24
to get in there. Yeah, I built up most of it over the pandemic, the pandemic was really good for getting people on Instagram and just looking at their phones.
Scott Benner 1:07:35
Yeah, yeah, right. I hadn't thought about that. The podcast. Just it constantly grows. Yes, me. So I didn't see anything different during pandemic than I did it other places. It's just this kind of constant growth, which is really kind of its people sharing the show. So it's really Yeah, everybody. Yeah, that's really something or you're really cool. I appreciate you doing this. What made you want to come on the podcast?
Mallory Hart 1:07:59
I think I've listened to for so long. And I feel like I can do that. I want to do that. And then finally, you know, I think he posted a couple times. So you were like, I'm opening up for, you know, interviews, and I said, Okay, I'm gonna do it. I'm glad you did. And I agreed to that, like six months ago, and I still came.
Scott Benner 1:08:15
It didn't feel like a long time.
Mallory Hart 1:08:18
It felt like a lot. Like back then, like, May May. What am I gonna be doing in May? But
Scott Benner 1:08:23
wait till it comes out in November. I know. You'll be like, took me a year to get a stupid podcast. I know if you feel like at the beginning when you said like when you asked what happens the episodes that suck. Like, do you? Do you feel good about that? So
Mallory Hart 1:08:40
is this gonna be your first one that you're gonna like, file away in the trash folder?
Scott Benner 1:08:43
So you have no idea? You can't tell? Right? How this one.
Mallory Hart 1:08:48
I can't. I'm also not gonna listen to my own episode. That's that's the other thing. We better download it anyway. Oh, download it.
Scott Benner 1:08:54
I think your mom will hear it.
Mallory Hart 1:08:57
No, she doesn't listen to the podcast.
Scott Benner 1:08:59
But if she have you been on other podcasts, this is like not a big deal for
Mallory Hart 1:09:04
I haven't. I haven't. I've wanted to do some for my art and I just haven't.
Scott Benner 1:09:08
How would an Art Podcast go?
Mallory Hart 1:09:11
There's a lot of them. Whether your art. Yeah.
Scott Benner 1:09:14
Okay. Do you like wind chimes behind you or something?
Mallory Hart 1:09:20
No, I have a space heater going might be that.
Scott Benner 1:09:24
Oh, yeah. It was like it sounds like I'm like wooden chimes touching each other client.
Mallory Hart 1:09:30
Know when wind chimes outside, but I'm in the basement. So I hope it's not that
Scott Benner 1:09:35
you work in the basement or closed.
Mallory Hart 1:09:36
Yeah.
Scott Benner 1:09:38
I wish I had I work upstairs. I wish I had more of us like a space that was a little more private, I guess.
Mallory Hart 1:09:48
Yeah, I got it. I got a good space. I'm very happy with it.
Scott Benner 1:09:51
Love it. What is your you said your husband works in the same industry. Right. But is he an artist? Yeah.
Mallory Hart 1:09:55
Now he's a carpenter and a rigger. So he builds stuff.
Scott Benner 1:10:00
That's so cool that you guys met in high school, but you actually like as adults got to do the thing you wanted to do.
Mallory Hart 1:10:07
Yeah. Yeah, we both we did it in high school. And then out of high school, I was teaching theater to the high school, I was basically like a coach in the theater, I would teach the kids how to build the things and help them design their sets and all that. And then I kind of stopped doing that, just because it was really hard to compete with that and like, working in a real theater in the real world. But he went to school for it. But he got a full time job before he graduated. So he stopped school. It's impressive, full time job in it. Yeah.
Scott Benner 1:10:38
Seriously, that's really impressive. I just got a job a couple years ago, for the first time that was really anything reasonable. That wasn't just like me, like trying to make money. You know what I mean? Like, just, uh, you don't I mean, we just do a job because you have to do it. Like, that was? Yeah, most of my life.
Mallory Hart 1:10:54
Yeah. I mean, I generally like what I do, there are times when it's like, this day, we're gonna end You know, when you're making sets, and you're on a really monotonous project, and you're just spending two weeks carving bricks. That doesn't sound like the first day,
Scott Benner 1:11:12
we're making bricks. Hey, guys, remember, we started making these bricks?
Mallory Hart 1:11:16
Yeah, two weeks ago?
Scott Benner 1:11:18
Is is the actual creating the painting? Is it always, like heart driven? Or do you ever have to sit down and do it for money? And is it harder that way?
Mallory Hart 1:11:30
Yeah, I do. You probably saw I do like pet portraits and stuff like that. I think some sometimes as like, Okay, I got three dogs, I got a knock all these out this week? Well, this one's the cutest we'll start with this one. But some of those, some of those are just like, I just gotta get this done. But for the most part, but your
Scott Benner 1:11:49
effort doesn't change. It's just kind of how it feels in your head. Yeah,
Mallory Hart 1:11:53
yeah. You know, and then there's also like, you know, there's website work and there's, you know, marketing work. And they always say, for art that like 50% of the time, you're going to be creating the work and the other 50% of the time, you're going to be marketing the work and doing other things.
Scott Benner 1:12:06
I have to I put more effort into the parts of this podcast that nobody sees, then I'm sure than the owner of the audio that you hear. It's it, I was approached by somebody, fairly recently. And they're like, I'm gonna start a podcast. And I was like, you can if you want, but better be ready to start. Yeah, you better be ready to put a lot of effort into it. I think that's why so many of them start and stop so quickly. Just because it's just it's so much more than you see on the surface. I think YouTube channels end up being the same for people like I'm in a YouTube channel too. And then that's it. You know,
Mallory Hart 1:12:44
I've put some of my stuff on YouTube, just so it can be seen through my Patreon. And it's a pain. A lot of work. It's so hard. It's so much easier to make a tic tock video or Instagram TV video than it is to make a YouTube video.
Scott Benner 1:12:57
Yeah. And okay. It's a it's a massive amount of effort. Yeah. So anyway, I think it's amazing. You make a living at it that you're going like this long, and it's really fantastic.
Mallory Hart 1:13:07
Yeah, yeah. I like to think I'm going in the right direction.
Scott Benner 1:13:12
But seems like you're to me. Is there anything that we didn't talk about that you wished we would have?
Mallory Hart 1:13:19
I will say when I'm driving to my shows, what I discovered is that my blood sugar always goes up during them. And my new secret is I pull over on the side of the highway in the middle of nowhere, and I do 50 squats and then I get back in my car and keep driving. The most efficient tool I've figured out
Scott Benner 1:13:35
if you see a woman doing squats on the side of the road in Colorado,
Mallory Hart 1:13:41
anywhere, anywhere, I drove all over the country.
Scott Benner 1:13:43
Mallory's blood sugar somewhere over probably 140. Jen, she doesn't want to Bolus but she realized it's because you've been waiting in the car for
Mallory Hart 1:13:52
Bolus and the insulin just sits there and my blood sugar just keeps going up and I have to have to move somehow to make the insulin work. It'll just sit there and not do anything. And that's what I've figured
Scott Benner 1:14:02
out. So for sedentary because you're sedentary in the car for so long. Yeah.
Mallory Hart 1:14:06
Interest. There's no amount of car moving that I can do with in the car. You don't driving or as a passenger.
Scott Benner 1:14:13
You can't just like out of the car and like pedal your left leg.
Mallory Hart 1:14:16
I've tried. I've tried. I've tried all these ridiculous things and
Scott Benner 1:14:20
have you really? Yeah, like arm calisthenics, stuff like that. Not enough to get the insulin moving? No, get out some nice deep knee bends.
Mallory Hart 1:14:29
Yep, it works. It works. That's brilliant.
Scott Benner 1:14:33
Have you ever? Like if you ever watched somebody see you and thought, I wonder what that person's thinking right? Yeah.
Mallory Hart 1:14:40
Probably. Yeah. Yeah, probably. Do you know, good last year before the pandemic, um, I had I had the T slim pump and I had the Omnipod as well, but neither one of them I had the algorithm on okay, you know, so I'd be if I'm, if I'm driving, I tend to do my husband and sometimes he could figure it out. But so I was doing it in the other hand while I'm driving. But I did I switched over during the pandemic to the control IQ. And it helps a lot, but it's still my body just sometimes needs to move to make the insulin. Remember to work
Scott Benner 1:15:17
100% Yeah, yeah, Arden decided to start exercising again more frequently. About two weeks ago and three days into her. I'm going to be exercising more frequently lifestyle, I had to change her Basal rates and make them weaker. And I had to turn her insulin sensitivity make her insulin sensitivity weaker as well, just because she's exercising for 45 minutes a day. Yeah, yeah. I Yeah, that's what that's a great tip. See, look at you. Yeah,
Mallory Hart 1:15:47
no choice. Do you got to go do roadside squats? We'll make it normal. It won't be weird.
Scott Benner 1:15:52
Wow. And I think right at the end, you pulled out a title for this episode. Definitely think it's gonna be called roadside squats. I liked dead squiggles better. I know. Well, whatever you want. You want it to be roadside squats and dents, whatever you want. Whatever. It's up to you. Thank you so much. I like it when people are just like this. Just Hey, go with go with your Go with your gut feeling. I'm gonna do that. But I'll edit it. And when I hear back, I'll be like, alright, I'll know for sure. Okay. Well, first of all, let me thank Mallory for coming on the show. I thought she was absolutely terrific. Again, Mallory Hart art on Instagram. And thank you again, to Dexcom makers to the Dexcom G six continuous glucose monitor for sponsoring the show. I really appreciate it dexcom.com forward slash juicebox. Seriously, check it out. It's absolutely terrific. Another thing is terrific is the Omni pod. You'll find out more at Omni pod.com forward slash juicebox. Don't forget about the Omni pod promise and that you might be eligible for a free 30 day supply of the Omni pod dash on the pod.com forward slash juice box links in the show notes. Links at Juicebox Podcast COMM When you support the sponsors, you're supporting the show. Thank you so much for listening. I'll be back very soon with another episode of The Juicebox Podcast
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Sasha is Australian, in her mid 20s and has been living with type one diabetes since she was young.
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Scott Benner 0:00
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Hello friends and welcome to episode 581 of the Juicebox Podcast. On today's show, I'll be speaking with Sasha, who is Australian in her mid 20s and has been living with type one diabetes since she was a young person. While you're listening, please remember that nothing you hear on the Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice, medical or otherwise, always consult a physician before making any changes to your health care plan or becoming bold with insulin. I want to remind you to check out the private Facebook group it is completely free always will be Juicebox Podcast type one diabetes over 17,000 members. The diabetes pro tip and defining diabetes episodes are fan favorites. If you're looking for management ideas about type one diabetes, check out diabetes pro tip.com. Have you considered filling out the survey AT T one D exchange.org. Forward slash juicebox? Well, if you have type one diabetes, or you're the caregiver of someone with type one, and you're a US citizen, you can it'll just take a few minutes. And with that very little bit of effort you will have helped someone with type one diabetes
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Sasha 1:57
Okay, so my name is Sasha, I'm 25 years old. I live in Melbourne, Australia, and I have type one diabetes.
Scott Benner 2:07
I'm so happy for how many people in Australia listened to the podcast. So it's exciting to me. How did you find Yeah,
Sasha 2:16
I heard quite a few episodes recently with Australians on there. And that was surprised as well.
Scott Benner 2:22
Yeah, I am. I mean, the first time I was just like, oh, this is neat. Didn't mean like it was like, I don't know, finding an ice cream flavor I'd never seen before. But then, you know, the second and the third time that people actually wanted to be on and watching the downloads in the country. It's a I think it's one of the top three countries for the podcast. So it's always very consistent. You guys are always very nice to me. So thank you.
Sasha 2:47
For Thank you. No, please,
Scott Benner 2:49
don't be silly. I was just gonna forget the first time that someone contacted me and said they needed help or something. And we're wondering if we could talk and I said, Yeah, sure. Like, you know, here's my number. And she's like, I can't call it's too expensive. And I was like, where are you? And she said, Australia, and we ended up doing it through FaceTime audio, I think. Which was surprisingly good. Like, is that how you? Do you guys do that? A lot
Sasha 3:18
of you? No, no, not really. I mean, I think over he is mostly just WhatsApp, WhatsApp. Gotcha. Yeah, I think that's the common on.
Scott Benner 3:29
Okay. And so is it just incredibly expensive to make a phone call?
Sasha 3:35
I mean, if you if you're calling from overseas, or making a phone call to overseas then yes, but not not within the country?
Scott Benner 3:43
No. Oh, yeah. I didn't think you lived on Mars like I was. So tell me about when you were diagnosed? How old are you?
Sasha 3:53
I was nine, nine.
Scott Benner 3:56
She saved 25. Now? Yes. Be prepared to be really impressed. Was that 16 years ago? How long 1718 2020 230 My God. I am on top of things this morning. So a very long time ago. And while you were living in Australia?
Sasha 4:14
No, actually, I was living in France.
Scott Benner 4:17
How does that happen? Tell me more about that.
Sasha 4:20
So my dad is Australian and my mom is fresh. I was born in Australia, but I grew up in France. So from the age of three to 18, I was living in France, so I was actually diagnosed in Switzerland. Were your
Scott Benner 4:36
parents together? Yes. Okay. That makes it more interesting that you're back in Australia. Like I want to ask more questions, but I also feel like it's going to come out during the story. I don't know where to go with this. Alright, let's just let's start there, where we're in France that you live
Sasha 4:54
right next to the Swiss border. So just on the other side of Geneva.
Scott Benner 4:59
Okay. Hey. And so your, your parents, where did they get together?
Sasha 5:06
They met in France in my dad was working over there when he was younger
Scott Benner 5:11
was working. Okay. Periscope, how were they young when they got married?
Sasha 5:17
Um, I think they're in the early 30s.
Scott Benner 5:21
That's Do you think that's yeah.
Sasha 5:26
I mean, yes and no. It's like, I feel like if you ask an 18 year old is 30 Young, they'll be like now that's old. But I'm 25 and I'm starting to cross over there. I feel like it's not that old.
Scott Benner 5:42
guy wasn't asking you to defend your own fear about getting old. I was trying to figure out this 30 was old to you. Are you nervous?
Sasha 5:51
Uh, I was a little bit at first, but yeah,
Scott Benner 5:54
you're good. Okay. Excellent. Yes. Great. Yeah. I don't want you to be nervous. So, alright, so you're a young kid. You're growing up the entire time, I guess in Geneva. And or right by Geneva. You said? Yeah. Okay. Do you speak French? Yes, I do. Like rock solid. If you went over there, people wouldn't be like, that's an Australian girl pretending to be French
Sasha 6:15
like, yeah. Wow. Yeah. They wouldn't be able to tell. That's so
Scott Benner 6:20
cool. So I'm gonna depress you just very quickly. Okay, turn the lights off. It's time to go to bed.
Sasha 6:28
You want me to say that in French? Yeah. Do it. Italian Yeah. That is pushy.
Scott Benner 6:35
I don't think he had time to Google that. So that sounds pretty legitimate. Okay. So, okay, so you grow up? Were you strictly French speaking or does your dad speak French?
Sasha 6:46
He does. But most of the time I speak French with my mom in English with my dad.
Scott Benner 6:50
That's so cool. I don't think you imagine that as being otter, like in an interesting way. But it is. I mean, to me at least I think that's pretty amazing. Alright, so were you diagnosed in French? Yes, I was. Excellent. Did that have any impact on it? Because I asked the person recently if they were diagnosed in Spanish, and she felt like it had an impact. Meaning that once she reached English speech, speaking, doctors, they were more specific with her. I don't know why she thought that. But I'm asking you because she said that.
Sasha 7:26
I'm not in that sense. But I think that when I want to move to Australia, when I was 18, I then I think just the transition was strange. With everything, not just diabetes, just learning how to, you know, just learning the slang in another language. Like I knew the language, but I didn't know how to talk about diabetes in English.
Scott Benner 7:51
Oh, that's interesting. So is that would that mostly become an issue between you and a physician? Are you want to parent Where did that?
Sasha 8:03
Probably mostly physician physicians. Okay. Yeah.
Scott Benner 8:07
Did you? Did you find the physicians helpful? And are they more helpful in one country than the other? I think that'd be about the same. The same. Yeah. Was it helpful?
Sasha 8:22
Not particularly North.
Scott Benner 8:26
Australia's where King Kong lives, right? Uh, what? What do you mean, the giant gorilla that came to New York in the 40s and took that woman up to the top of the Empire spa?
Sasha 8:43
He was Australia.
Scott Benner 8:44
I don't know why it's not. But I imagine in my mind that it is so bad. Yeah. Because I mean, you have the giant spiders already. So I swear to you that I think it might be genetic. Because if you asked me, Do you want to go to Australia? I'd be like, Yes, that sounds amazing. What about the giant spiders? Am I gonna be okay, would be my next question. I don't think I've ever said that out loud in front of anybody. And my son who's 21 And you know, travels way more than I did when he was younger. When I was younger. Somebody asked him about Australia the other day and he said, What about this fight? Are they just everywhere? The way I imagined just are they on the roof of your like house and crawling through your living room right now and everything?
Sasha 9:27
Probably, but I don't think that's because there's more spiders in Australia. I think that's just because insulation here is terrible. And this, you know, cracks underneath underneath the doors. So the spine has come in.
Scott Benner 9:39
No kidding. It's a construction issue you believe. Yeah, yeah, pretty much. Are you calling out Australians right now and their construction practices? Oh, yeah. No kidding. That's interesting. I know you're being a little funny, but I think you mean it. So.
Sasha 9:55
Oh, yeah, I definitely mean that.
Scott Benner 9:59
Are your doors square Are they like swing? Well, or do they get stuck? Or is it that bad?
Sasha 10:05
I don't I don't know what the what the deal is. But it's just it's just not good.
Scott Benner 10:12
That's hilarious. All right. So you said in your note that you left the hospital in France with a pump? Yes, I did. So you know, you've never done injections. Sorry, have you ever done MDI injections?
Sasha 10:29
I have. But I saw I, I went on a pump immediately. And then, probably about seven or eight years later, I got sick of the pump. And then I started MDI, but I hadn't actually, I had actually never done an injection in the hospital. Or maybe I had, but like they're in a teddy bear or an orange or something.
Scott Benner 10:50
So it's an interesting, so you use the pump exclusively for I mean, a long time into your into your mid late teens. Right? And then you just decide I'm not wearing a pump anymore. Was it? Like a harrowing experience to give yourself an injection the first time?
Sasha 11:09
Yeah, kind of, yeah, I've kind of felt like a warrior. I remember, I mean that they were probably a few times while I was on a pump, where I had to give myself an injection, you know, from failed sites or whatnot. But I had always relied on my parents to do that, because I was always too scared. Yeah, but I decided to come off it because I, you know, being a teenager, I just didn't like having to, you know, having the pump connected to me all the time and having it visible by other people. And I think I was also never really taught how to use it properly. So I'm sorry. Now, I didn't understand, you know, Temp Basal rules and things like that. Gotcha. So you're encouraged to use those.
Scott Benner 12:02
So the pump for you was basically just a way to not have to give injections all day long. And, yeah, pretty much. What kind of pump? Was it back then?
Sasha 12:13
A, one of the early maytronics.
Scott Benner 12:16
Gotcha. And are you MDI right now as I'm talking to you?
Sasha 12:21
No, I have a Medtronic pump. That is actually weirdly looking. It's very similar to the one I have left the hospital with that diagnosis. Because it's the only one that is loopable in Australia.
Scott Benner 12:37
Okay, now we're getting to it. How long did you inject?
Sasha 12:45
From what I was, like, 16, and two to three years ago,
Scott Benner 12:53
what made you switch back?
Sasha 12:56
I'm actually listening to your podcast and reading the reading a bunch of books about diabetes, essentially, and learning that there's a lot more you can do with pumps, then I had probably previously thought,
Scott Benner 13:13
huh, well hold on a second. Well, I talked directly to Medtronic in case they're listening. See, there, I sold one for you. It wasn't like usual when people come on and say I hate my Medtronic pump this one much better for you guys. Right. You know, they're listening. Anyway. That's nice. So you wanted to loop? Yes. Gotcha. And you can't get on the pods in Australia? No. Right. Am I understanding now? Yes, excellent. Okay. So you find the podcast a couple of years ago? Would you consider your management much different today than it was two years ago? Or did you begin to work in a different way? Even sooner than that?
Sasha 13:54
I think I had. Well, growing up, I think my doctors always told me, I was doing a great job. And I think, I think mainly because I was, you know, I wasn't purposely not bolusing or anything like that. I think my agency back then Well, it's probably like, in the 80s or so. Like, it wasn't terrible, but it wasn't amazing either. And then, and then I started becoming more interested in learning about it. I think I probably saw found a couple of groups on Facebook, around diabetes. And then I started listening to your podcast and reading books and just being more interested in knowing more about it because I feel like I had I hadn't been taught really the basics. And so after that, my A once he came way down, and I started reading the book by Gary Schneider. Yep. And so I discovered I found your podcast around that time. And so I think reading the book and listening to you talk about similar ideas kind of helped cement it all together. And essentially, I think the podcast was a bit of a daily reminder of, you know, don't forget to Pre-Bolus sort of thing.
Scott Benner 15:22
Gotcha. That's really cool. I, when I hear people talk about that, that makes me happy. Because that's a that's an impact from the podcast that I did not imagine when I was making it. But I hear from people a lot about just adults living with type one who just need to be reminded and need to hear it over and over and don't have somebody to talk to about I mean, who really, you don't I mean, like, even if you had like a best friend with diabetes, you wouldn't talk about diabetes every day. So that's really cool. Can I ask you something? Do you see because you're in an interesting space, you're in your mid 20s. So you've crested How do I say this? There's this part of life. Like when you took off your pump until when you decided to probably pay closer attention in that space. That's a real like, teenage rebellion. Space, right? Like, it's, it's not uncommon. It's not like you're, you're the only one that it happened to, although you wouldn't think of it that way at the time, but when you were like, I don't want to wear this pump. You wouldn't like have a conscious thought, like, I'm 16. And I'm rebelling against something. Just you know, you just feel like I don't want this pump. And then early 20s. If you like, it's interesting. If I asked you right now, do you think you'll ever have kids? Yeah, you're right. If I would have asked you when you were 19? Do you think you'll ever have kids? What would you say?
Sasha 16:45
I probably would give them the same answer. But without much thought,
Scott Benner 16:51
Ah, I say, I always find that there's that like, early 20s time, where people are just like, don't really consider much beyond themselves. I guess. Like, it's a real exciting time. Like, I'm young, and I'm entering the world, and I'm doing this thing. And it's not till you usually get into your mid like 2526 where you start thinking like, I wonder if there's more to this. You know, it's just it's very interesting, that kind of swing through there. And I'm so glad you can't see me because for some reason, I'm swinging my hands back and forth. I caught myself doing it. And I was like, no one can see this edit still feels ridiculous. Sorry. And I know apologizing for your part. But it's a really interesting space. Like it is. If I told you you were the 50th person that told me that right around that 23 age, you were like, I wonder if I should be like, doing a better job. It's it's just such a common space for it to hit people. It's very interesting. Were you in school in that time? College?
Sasha 17:50
Yes, university.
Scott Benner 17:51
Do you call it University? I was gonna say,
Sasha 17:54
yeah, yeah, no one really call it school. College.
Scott Benner 17:57
No, say it again.
Sasha 18:00
University. No, no, I
Scott Benner 18:02
mean, you said something that I just didn't understand. Nobody calls it school or college. Oh,
Sasha 18:06
yeah. Nobody really calls it school or college. Yeah. Yeah.
Scott Benner 18:10
I know. I just love it when you guys say that also like it. If you got hurt. And you went to the big building where they take care of people, you'd go to what?
Sasha 18:20
The hospital?
Scott Benner 18:21
Oh, see, you said, Ah, why did you say that? You ruined the whole thing. Sasha. Nevermind, this interview is over. Is it? Is it the British that say hospital and not the hospital? It's Oh, I don't know. Maybe? I've heard that. Yeah, I think it's in the UK where they just say I went I went to hospital or something. I don't know. It sounds odd. Well, yeah. That's my point. There. Their steering wheels are on the wrong side of the car. They don't know what they're doing.
Sasha 18:52
And that was an adjustment as well.
Scott Benner 18:55
Where are your steering wheels? You're, you're all cool. Right on the left? Where I'm left. Yeah, you know, chillin over there. You got to be able to hit the giant spiders before they get you. It's just like Whack a Mole. I would just imagine you running around with the hammer just killing things that are trying to kill you all day. Is it like that?
Sasha 19:12
I mean, I always check the spot as big before I go to the bathroom.
Scott Benner 19:16
I have to say, Wait, do you?
Sasha 19:20
Yeah, just because like I found a couple of homespun in there couple months ago. Okay, so every time I go in now, I just have a look at the ceiling before I sit on the toilet.
Scott Benner 19:30
I appreciate you saying that very much. Because I get notes from people who are like, you know, you just boil things down to the least common denominator and everything in Australia is not going to kill you. Everything in Australia is going to kill you. It's horrible. It's like it's it's a it's a it's it's an island. Nothing can get off of it. You guys are trapped there. You realize that right?
Sasha 19:50
Yeah, well, especially with COVID. Now we're even more trapped than we were before.
Scott Benner 19:53
Exactly. And the real shame of it is the spiders don't get COVID If they did, maybe. I don't know they'd be nicer maybe they just wouldn't feel well, they'd be like, let me leave you alone. I'm just not up to it today, you know? Yeah. Bite me on your ass while you're trying to you know it's not right. Okay, so have you ever looked at a kangaroo and thought I could take that thing and want to take a run at it? Oh no, no, that kill you right those things are nasty
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Sasha 24:02
I mean, you get the friendly ones. And then you get the other side of the spectrum while they can get really nasty.
Scott Benner 24:10
Have you ever flipped the news on at night and heard a story about a rampaging kangaroo?
Sasha 24:18
Yeah, actually, I saw one the other day about three or four kangaroos who walked into a bottle store. Like a bottle shop. A bottle store. A bottle shop? Yes. So where they buy? They sell liquor?
Scott Benner 24:33
Oh, that's what I thought. Okay, sorry. That was a phrase I didn't know. And they walked in. And then the first one, they start telling a joke or because that sounds like the beginning of a joke for kangaroos walk into a bolo shop. And it's not. Did they like go nuts?
Sasha 24:50
Oh, I don't know. I just saw that news article just like that and All right, next thing
Scott Benner 24:55
Sasha I have to tell you that when I say something completely ridiculous and people Oh no, that's happened. I feel like I won something. I don't know. Like, I raised my hands over my head like I finished a race when you were like, Yeah, I see. I've seen that before. I was like, Yes, I know crazy things happen in the world. Why didn't nobody talk about, like, in my mind, you should get on here and go, Hey, Scott, before we get started, did you know that for kangaroos went into a bottleshop think that would be the most important thing to me if I was you. My brain works differently, I believe. Okay, we're getting lost here in the diabetes stuff, but it's okay. We'll find our way. You also, you know, you heard me say, are you nervous? And you won't Yeah, I'm not nervous, as I've done this many, many times. But it does take me a while for me to hear your accent. Right. Right. Okay. So it takes me like, I have to settle into it so that it bounces through my head and I can think while you're talking. I know that might sound strange to people, but I'm not as a I don't want anybody to laugh. But I'm not as good at this when people have thicker, thicker or, or more difficult accents. And Australians trail away in their words sometimes. Like the words disappear, as you're saying them, you wouldn't know this, because you don't hear yourself. Just like I don't hear myself when I say water.
Sasha 26:16
i Yeah, no, no, that's true, actually. Because when I first moved here, I, I didn't have as strong of an accent as I do now. And I, I would I would actually struggle on the standing
Scott Benner 26:31
like Australians, but you hear it now. Okay.
Sasha 26:35
Yeah, because I'm used to it. And I think I've, you know, joined them in the sense I have. But when I moved here I was, yeah, people were confused about my accent because I think I had a mix of black, British and American, a little bit of Australian. Yeah, somewhere. It's just interesting,
Scott Benner 26:53
because you're like, somewhere, and it just kind of goes away, like and so my brains like, What is she saying? Oh, she's saying where I hear it. Now. My brother in law is from Scotland. And when he's talking, all I hear is Ay ay ay ay ay, ay. Like, I just hear noises. I don't even hear words like there are times that I understand the first couple of words, he says, and then I just assume the rest of what he's saying. And then not along where it feels appropriate. He never hears this. There are things I know he thinks he's told me that I don't have any frame of reference for so sorry, Jim, if you're listening?
Sasha 27:30
Yeah, I've done that before. Don't worry. I'm just like, I think everyone does it.
Scott Benner 27:34
Right. He makes this point then he's like, I, I'm like, I don't know what that means. Now, I'm only laughing because I can hear him in my head. I should get a room I'm gonna do next time I'm with I'm just going to get him to say, I'll read him a sentence and have him repeat it back into a recorder and I'll bring it back so you guys can hear it. But you're not gonna understand a damn word. He's saying. That's, it's just really cool. Anyway, I'm getting used to your to your speech pattern. So I'm doing okay. Now. MDI lube, and I'm gonna find it my question. Okay. So I remember back when you said, the doctors were telling you, you're doing well. And I think that's important for doctors to like, listen to, and I now know, there are enough of them listening. Like you guys really have to pay attention to this. Just because Sasha saw a doctor who some people were doing, you know, a one season attends doesn't mean her eight is terrific. You know, like you, you have to stop judging people against each other. Like, I oh, this person has a seven, you're doing great. Well, that person might want a six or a five. And what happened to you when you were told you were doing great? You just accepted? Yeah,
Sasha 28:48
I yeah, I believe them. And for a long time. I think I was in. I think I was in denial, actually. Because everyone was telling me how great I was doing. And so to anyone who'd asked me or Hey, what's that on your hip? I'd be like, Oh, it's an insulin pump. I've got diabetes, but I'm fine. Like, everything's fine. sort of thing. Yeah. And, and it was when I found out about CGM, and I tried one. I was like, Oh, hang on. I'm not fine.
Scott Benner 29:22
Right. Yeah, you mix. Listen. It's a weird thing, right? Like, you're trying to balance, kindness, and empathy. But at the same time, you have to see yourself as a parent of somebody with diabetes, if you're a doctor, like you're trying to help them grow up with it. So it's, you know, if you send your kid out to play a sport, and they suck, are you benefiting them by telling them, they're great? And so I guess if it's a kid who's never really going to play this game throughout their life, and you just want them to feel like oh, I tried and I did. Okay. Hey, that's fine. But there are some people who want to excel and telling them that they're doing great when they're not the holds them back. So you have to figure out who you're talking to, before you say your thing. And it sounds like sounds like you would have been able to reach for more, if you thought there was more to reach for.
Sasha 30:21
Yeah, I think so. It's about balance, right? Like, you gotta, like, I'm not saying they shouldn't tell you, you're doing a great job, but they should definitely still be telling you. Hey, like, there's a lot more that you could be doing. Let's talk about it.
Scott Benner 30:36
Yeah, it all doesn't have to happen in one second. It could have been incremental. It could have been like, Hey, you're doing terrific. I bet you though, if you Pre-Bolus Jamil here, maybe this would happen. I'm fascinated by the Pre-Bolus. Same thing. I think I always will be. I think Pre-Bolus thing knocks a point off your agency, you know about and yeah, the people don't take the time to explain it. So that you could try, like even just Pre-Bolus Singh, half the meal. Like even if you were having 50 carbs, and I said just Pre-Bolus 25 of them and putting the other 25 When you eat. We make a huge difference.
Sasha 31:14
Yeah, I totally agree. I mean, when I first heard about it, I think it was in, in one of the books I was reading, and I brought it up to my inner and I was like, I mean, I read this, like, what, what do you think? And she was like, oh, no, we don't usually tell you guys to do that. Because then you go low. Alright,
Scott Benner 31:38
we don't usually tell you guys, because it's a lot of work for us to explain it to you. So why don't you just have poor health instead? Okay, see you next time. Thanks for coming. We appreciate the money. I'm gonna go buy a car with it. Thanks, doc. big help to me. Hopefully one day I'll be able to drive a car if I can see. No thanks to you. It just really is. It's kind of interesting. And also, I've never said this before, Sacha. But I'm gonna say it here. I'm freaked out that Pre-Bolus thing is even a word. Like why do you need a word for doing something correctly? Like you drive a car? Right? Yeah. Okay. Do you step on the brake? The split second before you're about to hit something? Or do you brake prior to getting to the thing?
Sasha 32:30
Yeah, you brake prior.
Scott Benner 32:31
Do you think we should call it pre braking?
Sasha 32:36
That's a good point. I've never thought about
Scott Benner 32:38
why. That's how insulin works. So when you tell somebody to count your carbs, start eating and Bolus, you're you've started off explaining the incorrect way to use insulin. Like we've somehow because because so many people out of fear have told people to use insulin incorrectly. We have to have a name for how to do it correctly. To talk people into it. It has to sound fancy. And by the way, whoever came up with Pre-Bolus That is a very basic term. It's so lame. And I mean, basic the way the kids would say, You know what I mean? Like, you could have come up with something better, like we should have, it should have a fancier name is what I'm saying. Like pre what would you call it? I don't know. I hadn't thought about it before Sasha, no, you're gonna put me on the spot like this. Jesus? I don't know. We'll have a contest. And we'll have somebody come up with a name for I don't know, I don't know. I mean, it's just, it's not you're not Pre-Bolus thing. You're Bolus thing. And if the insulin takes a half an hour to start working, or 20, or whatever it is, well, then Damn it. That's, that's not a special thing. That's the way it's supposed to happen. Again, it's not called pre braking. It's, it's your braking, you're stopping your car. So I don't know. Like, that just never makes sense to me. I've never articulated it before. But I'm upset that it. It got put into practice incorrectly. And so that we had to then talk people into doing it correctly. I don't know. It's bothersome to me. But anyway, you went to the doctor with the book. And you were like, Hey, Gary says I should probably Pre-Bolus at the doctor's like, No, we don't do that.
Sasha 34:17
Yeah, pretty much.
Scott Benner 34:18
What did you do then?
Sasha 34:21
Oh, I went home and did it anyway. I think that you have to, right. I mean, if if they're not willing to talk you through the ideas that you just found out about? Then you got to take it into your own hands. I guess.
Scott Benner 34:38
You don't have to tell me specifically but what do you do for a living?
Sasha 34:42
I'm a student. Okay. That didn't
Scott Benner 34:45
help me. Damn it. There's my story. Alright, well, I'll just make something up instead. Sasha students. Alright, hold on. We'll get back to you in a second. I'm just saying imagine being feckless at your job. Like imagine getting up every morning and knowing you're gonna get Have people half of the information? Or some of it, but not all of it? And that when they come to you and say, Hey, I learned this other thing, you would go? Yeah, I wouldn't think about that. If I was you. That's you, anyone who's doing that should look inward. Because there are people in front of you who are looking for help. And you're, you're telling them, it doesn't exist, and then they go out and find it. And then somehow, you're still able to look them in the face and tell them it doesn't exist. I think what happened to you around that is horrible. Really, and I'm not over exaggerating, I think it's lazy. And it's malpractice, in my opinion. So
Sasha 35:39
anyway, and I think it happens to a lot of people,
Scott Benner 35:41
I think it happens to most people,
Sasha 35:43
and, and it makes it normal. So you know, if then you're the odd one out who actually does get all of the proper advice that you need to succeed. Then every everyone is like, whoa, like, where did you come from?
Scott Benner 35:59
And by the way, if you're a doctor, and you're hearing this that makes you upset, just tell people how to handle themselves, and the podcast won't exist anymore. And I won't have anywhere to talk. So there you go, I won't have to, I won't be able to talk about you anymore. Meanwhile, I don't want to obviously, there are a lot of great doctors too. That's certainly the truth. But, you know, just this thing. I think we've gotten to the point where somehow this little story about what happened to you is so commonplace, that we're not outraged by it the way we should be. Your doctor was unwilling to tell you how insulin works. It's the key of how you're staying alive. It's the key to your long term health success. It's the key to your short term health success. It's it's it's a lot. And we're just like, Oh, it doesn't matter. You don't need to know that part. So I'm sorry.
Sasha 36:50
Oh, I was gonna say actually, I always wondered whether I had missed out on some information because I moved. So because I went, I went from going to a doctor, in you know, in the pediatric ward in Geneva, to the adult clinic in a different country. I thought, well, maybe I just missed the transition there. And the information got lost on the way.
Scott Benner 37:18
So like, this really important thing you needed to know was going to be the next thing they told you. But you happen to move in that time. And now it's gone. You missed that opportunity.
Sasha 37:29
Yeah, I mean, I still wonder, maybe that, you know, there's, you know, they give you like, a couple of sheets of paper, or like some kind of like independence package, or whatever you want to call it before you turn 18 to be able to go out and do it on your own.
Scott Benner 37:46
And that actually stuck with you, like there's so see that there's another example of what this does to people. There's this feeling of incomplete that lives in you in an anxious way. Like, I wonder if I'm like, I know, I must be missing something. Or maybe I am like, no one should have to feel that way. around something as knowable as managing insulin. It's, it's not an unknowable thing. It's not it's not like a it's not a big surprise when it goes right for people. And just okay, when it doesn't go, right. Like it's, I don't know, I think that people should have options. And if they can't, if they can't live up to them with good direction, that's a shame. And there should be ways to help those people as well. But everyone else shouldn't suffer. Because you think most people aren't going to figure this out. So we'll just let them all live like this. It's very, um, it's terrible. It is what it is. But I was gonna ask you what you're going to school for? Because I mean, 25 Sounds like you're going to be a brain surgeon. You don't?
Sasha 38:51
Well, actually, math surgeon. So I'm, I'm doing my PhD in, in metabolic neuroscience, and I work with animals.
Scott Benner 39:02
Metabolic neuroscience. What have you just been a you propping me up to this conversation? Sasha, what's going on here? That sounds really like I don't I'm not sure if I know how to spell metabolic. It's got to be in a in there somewhere right near the near the B. No. It's right now. Of course I am. I don't know what you just said. You just said I'm a Space Ranger and I'm trying to figure out what metabolic Doros Jesus I can't find the letters. But Google doesn't even know it's a thing
Sasha 39:41
trying to understand how the brain controls metabolism.
Scott Benner 39:47
Oh, that's important to me. Seriously, I some belly fat I want to go Why are you is that what are you just working on that for me? Or is it for other things too? What do you what What's the idea behind learning about this?
Sasha 40:02
No, it's for other things as well. Um, part of my actually part of my PhD is about understanding how insulin works in the brain, and how it affects not only metabolic functions, so things like blood glucose, as we all know, but also behavior. So that would be like mood and anxiety and depression and memory and those kinds of things.
Scott Benner 40:33
Yeah. So you when, when you hear me talking about like, people getting to feel the way they're supposed to feel that must mean more to you than it does to other people, then?
Sasha 40:45
Yeah, I guess, I think it's, it's an interesting thing, because when you when you say insulin, to the general population, they automatically think blood glucose. And of course, that's, that is what the first thing you should be thinking of. But insulin also has a whole lot of other functions in the brain. So we know that, you know, if you if you disrupt the function of insulin signal in the brain, that can cause issues that can cause depression that can cause anxiety. And a lot of those things can be independent of the effects on blood glucose, which is really interesting.
Scott Benner 41:29
Okay. When it goes far as to impact Alzheimer's and other brain functions like that, or no?
Sasha 41:38
Yeah, definitely. Alzheimer's is known as type three diabetes. So what happens in the brain is pretty similar to what you would see in Alzheimer's. Really? Yeah,
Scott Benner 41:53
I feel like you're going to talk about things I'm not going to be able to understand, but I'm still going to try. So what is like in your mind? What do you hope to learn? or figure out? And why is it important?
Sasha 42:12
So what I've just described here is just one part of my project of my PhD. But essentially, I'm looking at a specific area of the brain and trying to understand how it takes in information about your metabolism. So are you in a calorie deficit? Are you in a calorie excess eye? Is your blood glucose low? Is your local girth high? How does it take in how does your brain take in that information? And then is able to tell you, Okay, this is the behavior that we're going to perform now. Based on that information,
Scott Benner 42:56
and the behavior could be anything from, like something that I see like maybe a person feels hungry because they've got too much insulin in their body. And so they overeat.
Sasha 43:08
Yeah, for example, right? So it could be around food, but it could also be around your mood. So are you going to be more anxious? Are you going to feel depressed?
Scott Benner 43:23
And are those things impacted by more or less insulin?
Sasha 43:30
Well, it gets a bit complicated.
Scott Benner 43:33
Well, the whole thing's a bit complicated. I googled metabolic neuroscience and nothing pops up. Just like Google's like, Hey, you must be you must be talking to somebody smarter than you. Because I don't know what you're talking about here. It's how so so like, so let's pick one thing? Let's pick? I don't know, we'll pick depression for a second. So how would insulin impact depression?
Sasha 44:01
Oh, so I'm not looking at depression specifically. But there are studies showing that if you if, for example, you delete the insulin receptor in the brain. It mean it the effects that that has. So if you do that in mice, you see that these mice then become more anxious and more depressed. In certain specific scenarios.
Scott Benner 44:30
specific scenarios like,
Sasha 44:32
well, if you test them, so we do behavioral tests with the animals to test certain things. So for example, you put the mouse in an open arena, with a big light on top, we know that the mice are afraid of open spaces because they're afraid of potential predators. So then you have a look at where the mice the mouse is going to spend the most of its time and you can analyze that and say, Well, how spending most of its time in the corners of the arena or in the center. And so if it's spending more time in the center, then it's not as anxious.
Scott Benner 45:11
And you can actually see that there's a correlation between that and this insulin receptor. Yes. Wow. Can you impact the receptor?
Sasha 45:21
You can delete it. Sorry. That's, that's what I've been doing for the past few months.
Scott Benner 45:27
So when you take that, so you're taking the receptor away? Do you do it with pharma circles?
Sasha 45:35
With with genetically encoded viruses,
Scott Benner 45:41
okay, so there's a virus that goes in and deletes this on. That's amazing, first of all, and and now you take that away, and that makes the mice more anxious. So you see them in the corners more? Yes. Is there a way to bolster that so that they're braver and sit in the middle and just sunbathe under the light?
Sasha 46:06
That would be cool. I don't know. At this point, I don't know.
Scott Benner 46:11
Right. But that's the kind of things you're trying to, to learn about.
Sasha 46:16
Yes, that's just trying to learn how how it works.
Scott Benner 46:20
Right. So this receptor, is that is it? Are you at the point where you can say, is it overworking and that's making them anxious? Like, should they not be as anxious as they are? Like, they I'm assuming that you're looking for some way for this to translate into like people at some point, like you're not just trying to perfect the mouse population of the planet, unless these mice can kill spiders? And then, of course, let us weaponize them immediately. But
Sasha 46:50
I mean, that would be incredibly scary.
Scott Benner 46:53
Well, you need to be able to pee and peace. Can you imagine if you just had like a little mouse that you released? Nevermind, we're getting down the wrong road? So like, I'm like, what's the impact for people? Like? Are you trying to figure out why people are like, how much impact this has on depression, anxiety, things like that?
Sasha 47:12
Yes, that's one aspect of it. So there are people showing that if you use insulin intranasally so in the nose, that can alleviate some of the effects of depression and anxiety
Scott Benner 47:30
instead of using an injected insulin?
Sasha 47:34
Yes. So essentially bypassing the effect on blood glucose,
Scott Benner 47:38
by effectively. Oh,
Sasha 47:42
yeah. So if you inject it in your blood, if you just get an injection under the skin, then it's going to obviously affect your blood glucose, right? It's going to drop. But if you put it up your nose, depending I think, depending on the dose, or I don't know too much about that. But it's just a study of it. And I thought it was really interesting. But yeah, essentially, you're kind of you don't have that big drop in blood glucose, but you do still have the effects in the brain. And that seems to be showing that people generally tend to feel better. They have more self confidence, they feel less stressed.
Scott Benner 48:21
No kidding. And we should say not to do that. Right. Like because, like, please don't try that. Okay, thank you.
Sasha 48:29
Thank you this at home.
Scott Benner 48:31
It's not like it's not like a thing that like everyone could do. This isn't a controlled lab situation, etc. And one study that's in credible though, so is the see the whole thing, Sasha and if I'm an idiot, you'll stop me. And you'll sound incredibly bright doing it because you have your accent. But I just think of when you look around and you see people who are some are overweight, some are underweight, some people struggle with one thing, some people have anxiety, some people don't. To me, it's all fine tuning inside of your body that we don't understand how to tune right, like we do our best with diet and exercise and supplements, you know, you know, I can bring my vitamin D up with a supplement, like that kind of thing. But there is if there were, if there were knobs on your back there, there would be a fine tuning that would work better for your body than often the fine tuning that you got from nature. Am I right about that in a really strange way?
Sasha 49:33
Um, I guess you guess I think that's a very complicated question. Oh, no,
Scott Benner 49:38
it's incredibly complicated. But if if you could plug a computer into me and somehow magically had readings for all of my settings, where everything was where my iron level is, and and you know, function of my liver and all this and you could just turn knobs and perfect them. Then there would be a more harmonious, like physical life for me if you could do that. And I mean, is that like the end goal of all this is to fine tune people at some point.
Sasha 50:12
Right? I mean, yeah, I guess like if you think about it in terms of, you know, potential therapies for obesity, diabetes and psychiatric disorders, but I think that's way down
Scott Benner 50:26
the line. Oh, no, I don't like, uh, yeah,
Sasha 50:28
I mean, um, yeah, of course, yeah. I'm just, I'm just my, what I'm doing is really just trying to understand how it works.
Scott Benner 50:37
No, no, I mean, yeah, you're in the infancy of something that if we get to the end of it would be a millennium from now, probably. But I mean, it's not, it doesn't make it untrue. That, you know, I could pull any random person off the street and give them a blood test. And while they might be, quote, unquote, in range, they still maybe could benefit from a little more of one thing a little less of another. And that I just think that, how do I mean this, you know, when you see somebody who's just like, jacked up, and they're just like, in amazing shape, and you look at them, and you think like, Oh, my God, I would never be in shape like that. And they're just, they're rock hard. And they everything looks like it works for them. And they go to run, and they run off like a cheetah. And they're not, they're not winded when it's over. And you just think, well, they just want some sort of a genetic lottery. You know what I mean? Like, and then you see another person who doesn't have that ability. That person didn't do anything wrong, or different. You know what I mean? They were just born like everybody else. And I don't know, it's always occurred to me, it's a deeper thought. And it's a little, like, maybe we should have mushrooms to talk about it. I don't know. But just, it just seems to me like, there's an obvious unfairness to being alive. And sometimes when when people like you were looking at stuff like this, I think, Wow, maybe one day, they'll figure out how to turn one of those knobs, you know, anyway, I think it's really cool.
Sasha 52:01
I think I think that's a comforting way for people to think about it. But I think that the environment effects a lot of it. Like obviously, genes, you know, some people, quote unquote, and better genes than others. But how you live, I think, is underrated. Yeah, just where you are and how it affects? Yeah.
Scott Benner 52:27
Like, we could take two babies, and they can be exactly the same. And I can put one of those babies in a middle income household, it's got radon, and I could put one of those babies in an upper income household that doesn't have radon. And if we track them, their health would probably go in two different directions.
Sasha 52:48
Yeah, yeah, exactly. And like you were describing them, God would ricotta ABS will, you know, that person? Obviously, didn't get there. In you know, a couple of days.
Scott Benner 53:01
It's interesting. I, so I like what you just said, when you said, I think people could find that comforting. It felt like what you said was Scott, you're a child, and you think like a child. You were trying to be polite.
Sasha 53:15
Okay, no, I did not mean that. He didn't mean that I was
Scott Benner 53:17
certain that you were like, Hey, idiot. Stop, stop dreaming. That's not how it's gonna work. And I know, a listen, I understand it probably never going to work like that. But it just, it's interesting to think that in a perfect world, it could. I mean, listen, you, you know, you have type one diabetes, they check your vitamin D level. Right. And that's something they don't do for most people.
Sasha 53:46
I actually don't think I've ever had that checked.
Scott Benner 53:48
Really? This Australia's let you down? You should have that checked.
Sasha 53:53
Yeah, I mean, I do take it most days. I do take a supplement most days, but I don't think I've ever had it checked.
Scott Benner 53:59
Okay. Alright, let's have that done. Our next bloodwork because a lower vitamin D level is can be more common with people with type one. Just imagine that like that simple thing, like taking a supplement everyday of vitamin D that could improve your life. And you wouldn't even know to think of it that way. And then think of all the the back say that is true. Say you taking vitamin D would improve your life, but then you go to the store and buy like some crappy vitamin D supplement that doesn't work as well as it should. And so you still don't get the benefit. Like there's so many barriers to success along like everything. I don't know you're making me sad about I don't know how this is happening. I'm so sorry. No, no. I feel like I'm in a sadness matrix. It just it um I think it's from doing the podcast like it. It's sad to me that some people They'll not know how to Pre-Bolus their insulin. It's sad to me to think that your vitamin D level could be lower and it could be impacting your life or that I just saw a person. The other day, who I know is listening to the podcast for a long time, has been struggling with something that was clearly thyroid related, that they didn't realize was thyroid related until they listened to the podcast about the fibroid and then thought, Oh, well, I have those symptoms, I should check. And they checked, and now they're on their way, you know, to getting it fixed. But without a podcast episode would have never thought that the problems they were having were thyroid related. So imagine that imagine you're low on energy, gaining weight. Moody, like all these things are happening to you. But no one will ever figure out your thyroid until you get so sick, that you land at a hospital and they do so many tests. And eventually somebody goes, Oh, look how high their TSH is there they have Hashimotos. It's, that part makes me sad. And I think that might be specifically because of my job. Because I don't think most people think of illness as that. But I always think like there's something you could see or do if you knew to see or do it, it would save you the time. And to meet the times what's most important, like this time that this person spent not feeling well, is lost. And that that bothers me more than anything else. And it has nothing to do with what you're going to school for. But this is where your what your life has led me. So anyway, I'm sorry. I feel like
Sasha 56:40
no, no, I do understand what you mean. Yeah. Um, I think I think it's hard as well, because you don't I think a lot of people, especially at the start after diagnosis, they're not necessarily in the right mindset to absorb all that information anyway. So even if you tell them they might, you know, not remember or not see it as important,
Scott Benner 57:04
right. And that's why it's important to have doctors that don't look at your eight a one C and go doing great Sasha, go get them kit. You need somebody to say how you feeling? Oh, I feel a little tired. Really? Okay, let's figure out why not just have you tried cutting back on potato chips? Like I mean, sure, potato chips, probably not great. But, you know, like, there's never, I guess until you meet a really thoughtful doctor, you don't recognize what it means to not have one. And like, I was lucky enough to meet a woman named Allie Benito who came on and did the thyroid episode, specifically, but she's also my, my, my family, anybody in my family who has a thyroid issue, she's their doctor, and to see somebody, know what they're doing, and be able to test levels and infer things from them and make adjustments to medication, like a ninja, and not make it take eight or nine months for you to feel better. Like that adjustment time when you see your doctor be like, well, let's just try a little more a little like you're ruining people's lives. If you don't know what you're doing like that. Like, let's throw a dart and see if it hits. You're just you're still in days and weeks and months from people and they could get they could get frustrated and just stop trying. And so it's amazing to have someone who can kind of like, like, just dial in right away and know what to do. And I mean, I know every every person can't be like that. But everybody should. Everyone deserves a doctor like that. I guess. They think your story somehow made me upset. It's not your fault. How far off? are you apologizing to me? Stop it. What did you so what do you do with this degree? Like once you get this thing? You get a job somewhere? And what do you what are you hoping to do?
Sasha 58:58
That's a very loaded question. Because I'm asking myself that every day. I don't know. I honestly don't know. I'm, I've got about six to nine months left to be able to finish this PhD. And afterwards, I'm not sure but I am interested in potentially going into clinical trials. Not necessarily anything to do with insulin in the brain. But yeah, working with animals is a very specific job. I feel like I don't always agree with everything that's going on there. So I I don't aspire to work with animals for the rest of my life.
Scott Benner 59:44
Okay, because of how they're treated during testing.
Sasha 59:49
Yeah, yeah, pretty much and I think I also became a vegetarian a couple years ago. So I feel like that doesn't really align with that.
Scott Benner 59:59
How do you handle the spiders now? He's trying to shoo them out the window
Sasha 1:00:05
Okay, spiders are different though. Long in my heart
Scott Benner 1:00:12
there's a level to this vegetarianism for you have any line, the line forms right around a spider near your butt. I got you I level things not you I'd never eat a chicken, but I will squish you. I see I listen, you're not going to get me to argue with you.
Sasha 1:00:37
Oh, look, it's also because, you know, when you when you work with animals, you don't really have a, you don't necessarily have a nine to five Monday to Friday job. You are required to, you know, go in on the weekends and check that they're okay. And I just don't want that kind of responsibility.
Scott Benner 1:00:54
You want your weekends to yourself? Yeah, yeah. What do you do on the weekend?
Sasha 1:01:00
Uh, honestly, it sounds really sad, but I just work.
Scott Benner 1:01:04
Oh, so that's what you're trying to avoid? Like? Exactly. So you want the things you imagine people do on the weekends? That's right, right. Are you going to stay in Australia? Or do you want to go back to France?
Sasha 1:01:17
Um, I think I will go back eventually, in the next few years.
Scott Benner 1:01:22
Interesting. Where's the healthcare system better? For you? Ah,
Sasha 1:01:28
I, I don't know, actually, because I never lived in France as an adult. So I wasn't privy to all of that, you know, insurance healthcare kind of information. For it sounds, I think I think Australia's overall pretty good because a lot of a lot of a lot of things are subsidized, especially insulin, and things like you know, needles and insulin pump consumables and that sort of thing. But, but it is very sad. That CGM is not covered by anyone and Australia.
Scott Benner 1:02:09
Sounds like they're making progress on that. But it's slow.
Sasha 1:02:13
Yeah, it is very slow. I think now, anyone under 21 years of age, or pregnant or thinking of becoming pregnant is able to get CGM for free. But that's it.
Scott Benner 1:02:30
Are you using one? Well, you are obviously because you're looping. So, but you're using the Medtronic one.
Sasha 1:02:37
No, I'm on G six.
Scott Benner 1:02:39
Oh, I'm sorry, the Dexcom and then the Medtronic pump this loopable. Got it? Yes.
Sasha 1:02:46
I'm, I agree with you. I'm not a fan of Medtronic. To be honest. I, I only went to the to the Medtronic one because that's the only one that's loopable. But before that I was using tandem.
Scott Benner 1:02:57
Yeah. i Well, hopefully, they're not listening anymore. Because you said something nice earlier, I don't want them to hear this. And I don't want people who love their, their, their Medtronic pumps to be mad at me, which has happened in the past. So I don't need that. Although it led to a great interview. If you've never heard it, I'll try to find it for you but and tell you privately, because I don't have the information right now. But one time Jenny and I were talking about Medtronic pumps, and Jenny didn't like using it, and didn't have like glowing things to say about it. And then I got this very passionate note from a guy who was like, who loved his pump. And was he was clearly mad. And then I was just like, hey, alright, cool, like, come on the podcast and tell me about it, then we had a great conversation. So it was a it was really interesting. But it was interesting to see that someone felt like that pump meant more to him than it wasn't just an object. Like it was it was a really important thing to him. And he felt like defending its honor was really it was kind of it was amazing, actually, to watch it all play out. And I'm so glad that I didn't just ignore his note or, you know, and when I was younger, I just wanted to like argued with him for fun, but I didn't. I just was like instead let me talk to you and see what's going on here. Anyway, whatever pump you Yes, amazing if it's working for you,
Sasha 1:04:17
i Yes, I can relate to that. I remember being a kid when I first got that pump i i walked out of the hospital with that pump, but I was never actually asked if I wanted to use it. Yeah, or if I wanted to do MDI, but I kept it for so long. And I remember they were trying to push me to get, you know, the newest version, and I was like, No, this is fine. I like this one. Like, I don't like change. Like, this is my palm like I'm keeping it. So yeah, I can relate to to that person that you were talking to. It makes
Scott Benner 1:04:51
me wonder about how because Arden's used on the pod, her whole life and it's disposable. I wonder if it feels differently To her, like, I wonder if it doesn't like she has no real connection to it because the thing that every three days she throws away. Like, I wonder if that like psychologically, yes, a difference or not? I don't know. I'm really like, in my own head this morning. Maybe it was too early for us to do this. I don't know. For me, it's super late for you. But it's I don't know why I'm, I feel like, you know what I'm saying? Okay, sounds like I'm high today. I'm like, like, what about this? Do you think? Just, I'm just very worried about this today for some reason. I'm sorry. If i How are your expectations so far? Is this like, Are you like, God, we didn't talk about any of the things I want to talk about. Are we doing okay?
Sasha 1:05:43
No, no, this has been good. Has it really? Well,
Scott Benner 1:05:47
I can't tell sometimes. Like, I'm having a good time. That's my only measuring stick. Like when I get done. I'm like how I like that. And then I think other people like it, too. But I don't know. It's a crapshoot. I don't actually know any of you who are listening. So it's just my best guess for what's interesting. Like I found this incredibly interesting. So, okay, are you dating at all? Yes, you've okay, even with school? That's possible. And with your weekends taken up?
Sasha 1:06:19
Yes, I've been with my boyfriend for almost three years now.
Scott Benner 1:06:22
Is that boy gonna go to France with you? If you go to France? That's the plan. Wow. He likes you. Okay. All right. Does he speak French?
Sasha 1:06:35
No, he doesn't. I see him trying to tell him to stop. So French lessons on the side. I took
Scott Benner 1:06:42
three years of French Sasha in high school. I know Neph is nine.
Sasha 1:06:49
That's all Yeah, that's no French.
Scott Benner 1:06:51
Yeah, I don't think so. either. That's all I got out of that. I sat in that room for three years thinking, Do not call on me. Please do not call him. Please, please, please don't ask me a question. I was not good at it. I don't think I have the capacity to learn other languages. But it's a my daughter talks about, like when she's younger, she's like, I want to go too fast. She wants to go to school for fashion. And so she talks about New York and France. And she's like, you know, when she was longer? Like if I want to go to school in France, could I? And I'm like, Yeah, of course. Meanwhile, I don't know how to pay for that. And I have no idea if that's actually possible. But what I've learned is that most people, things people say don't actually happen anyway. So it's better just to be positive. Like, yeah, of course you can. But I don't know what she would do if she got there. And, you know, couldn't speak any French? What would you do? Like, what is your? Good?
Sasha 1:07:51
I feel like if you actually move there, you have no choice but to learn it.
Scott Benner 1:07:56
Yeah, you don't know me, I would walk around. Just be the rest of my life. Gandia Has anyone ever noticed you'd be saying this in French? But you know, just you'd be like, do you ever notice that guy? Scott never talks to anybody? It's because I would just be going I don't understand anything. Anyone say? I just I don't know, my brain doesn't do that. Like it wouldn't hear you say a word and hold the thing and eventually learn the word. I mean, maybe it would, but I have no confidence that what I guess I should say.
Sasha 1:08:27
And I think I think most people think about it like that. If they're just trying to learn it in their home country. It's obviously a lot more difficult. But if you are by yourself in a different country, I think that eventually you just kind of learn it somehow.
Scott Benner 1:08:44
How long do you think it'll take your boyfriend before? He's, like, you know, can get by?
Sasha 1:08:52
Oh, tough question. I don't know. You see Australia, right? Yes, yes.
Scott Benner 1:09:00
Would you feel any pressure if you moved him to France to stay with him? Even if you didn't like him anymore? Because you took him to France?
Sasha 1:09:11
Well, I wouldn't take them. I wouldn't take him if I didn't like him.
Scott Benner 1:09:15
No, I understand. That's not what I'm asking you. Hold on Sasha. This is gonna be fun. Don't let me ruin your life though. Okay, stop me if it's getting that. What if you get there? And a couple of years from now. You're like, this boy. Tired of him. Okay. But then your next thought is I moved him from Australia to France. I can't break up with him.
Sasha 1:09:32
See what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, seriously.
Scott Benner 1:09:36
Just be careful. Okay. When you're when you're mid 20s Nothing makes sense. But you feel like when I was 25 I was like, I understand everything. And then when I was 30, I was like, Oh, my God was 25. I might have been like, like, stupid. So and now I'm 50 and I think I was 40 I was an idiot. So just that keeps happening. Anyway, I don't want to see the guy abandoned in France. That's only speaking seven words and one of them being baguette. You know, they mean, and he's just like, staying alive on bread.
Sasha 1:10:06
I mean, hey, that's all you need, right?
Scott Benner 1:10:09
Don't you wish? Okay, I'm sorry. This has nothing to do with anything. But how come French people eat so much more bread and aren't heavier?
Sasha 1:10:18
I don't know. I'm right. Yeah. I've had a lot of people make that comment to me in Australia. And I don't know.
Scott Benner 1:10:28
Like, if I just moved to France, can I eat more carbs? And I'll be okay. Some to do with how far you are from like, the, the equator
Sasha 1:10:39
maybe it's jeans? Oh, portion sizes? I don't know.
Scott Benner 1:10:42
You know, I'm realizing now because I'm an idiot about most things that France and where I am is probably fairly equivalent distances from the equator. So the joke doesn't even work. But at least I could figure that out reasonably quickly. But no, I'm a bit seriously. Yeah, like, that's fascinating. Like, there's bread with everything, right?
Sasha 1:11:01
Yeah, yeah, pretty much and wine
Scott Benner 1:11:03
and cheese. And if I like that I'd weigh 500 pounds. That seems unfair. Right, do I have to go to France with you? Just to find out if I can eat breaking. Imagine if I showed up and I was like, Alright, let's do this. Sasha, where's the bread? And then like, Okay, have a great time. No, two weeks into it. You'd be like, Scott, you're you're blowing up like a balloon. You have to stop. I'd be 20 pounds heavier. In a week and a half. Trust me. That's amazing. Okay, uh, how is he? So you're right now, I want to finish up with this. So you're looping. Where's your a onesie right now?
Sasha 1:11:43
Um, it's under six.
Scott Benner 1:11:45
Good for you. It's lovely. And prior to that, and was loop. So was the podcast reminded you of things. It sounds like Gary's book got you thinking about it. The podcast kind of the focus for you. The podcast acts as a reminder for you, you learn about loop from the show. And what's the progress of your agency through that time period.
Sasha 1:12:10
I think the biggest change was just getting a CGM and being able to see what my blood sugar was doing in between meals, and that brought it down from like, I think seven to six. Gotcha. All like six and a half around there. Yeah. And, and then getting the pump and looping allowed me to not, I guess not stress about it as much. I feel like when I got this is something I heard a lot of people talk about, but I am when I get first got the CGM. I was just stressed all the time about it. Because obviously, you know, everything is in real time. And you're, you're getting stressed about the direction of the arrows.
Scott Benner 1:12:57
Maybe you should snort some insulin.
Sasha 1:13:04
I'll try that next time.
Scott Benner 1:13:05
As you were saying that my brains like oh god, she's walking right into a joke about the insulin and the nose thing. This is fantastic. It's weird to have to have to to have to have a conversation and direct entertainment at the same time. Like sometimes my brains thinking about two things at once. Maybe I could learn French. But it's just like I was I was really amazed by what you were saying. Yeah, at the same time, I was like, Can I just joke about this them not talk about the joke, but I've broken the third wall down a while ago with you so it doesn't matter anymore. Wow. Okay, so you so that you see your you see your blood sugar's at first. It's anxious to be able to see them. But do you still feel like that now?
Sasha 1:13:54
No, or not as much at
Scott Benner 1:13:57
least we've helped you with that. Because why you're not afraid of Lowe's as much.
Sasha 1:14:03
I was never really afraid of Lowe's. I was more afraid of heights actually. Because, you know, I've ever seen telling you, yeah, if I want CS above a certain number, your feet will fall off or something.
Scott Benner 1:14:19
Okay, but they never said hey, if your blood sugar gets too low, you'll pass out.
Sasha 1:14:24
No interest. I
mean, it was it was kind of implied. But yeah, it didn't seem it didn't seem like as big of an issue because you know, you just eat and Bob's your uncle.
Scott Benner 1:14:42
So two things. First of all, that's interesting, because what it proves is whatever mind set you put somebody in, is where they are. That's where they started. So you, you somebody didn't start off by making you scared of being alone and so you weren't. Right. That's amazing. Did you just say Bob, your uncle? Or did I completely misunderstand you? Your uncle, Bob's your uncle? So that's the same. Yeah. I have no frame of reference for that.
Sasha 1:15:16
It's, you're like, everything's, everything's fine. Like, that's, that's the way it is. sort of thing. That's what it means. All right,
Scott Benner 1:15:25
hold on. Bob's your uncle is a phrase commonly used in Ireland, the United Kingdom in the Commonwealth countries. That means and there it is, or, and there you have it, or it's done. Typically someone says it to conclude a set of simple instructions, or when a result is reached. Bob's your uncle. Gotcha. When you said that I thought I was having a stroke. It was like, Oh, I'm not hearing words anymore. You're sort of reaching for water. I'm like, mid hydrated, maybe I'm dehydrated. And then I thought I'm gonna let it go. And then I'm like, no, no, I gotta find out what that what just happened there. Okay. And so that's just that's just what it is. It is what it is. Gotcha. It is what it is what it is. Okay. Um, I might start saying that I'm making a note here. Also, by the way, congratulation. You named your episode. Great. Bob's your uncle. That's okay. So but but my, my original point, I'm sorry, I'm keeping you long. Are you okay? Yeah, that's fine. Okay. My original point back there was that if a doctor gets you, the first thing they make you afraid of, is the thing you're going to be afraid of? Like, because it seems like they must know something. And it's the beginning, right? So you're like, well, there's this learned person here, who obviously knows way more about diabetes than I do. And this is what they've told me to be afraid of, my feet are gonna fall off, if I let my blood sugar be too high. That's the vibe you got. And you know, if a doctor says, Look, if you get low, you're going to drop dead, you know, that. And that's the vibe you get from somebody, then you avoid the lows. And so by avoiding the lows, you really are making your blood sugar higher, but by being told to avoid the highs, even though you kind of didn't really know what you were doing a whole lot, you still had an A one C in the sevens, which is not bad. You know what I mean? So there's something about that. That was, I think that makes sense. Like when I I'll say on here, like, you know, the saying that most people get is it's better to be high than low. But what I say is, I'd rather stop a lower falling blood sugar than fight with a high one. And I think that, just that, that idea. I haven't said this on the podcast in a long time. But that's my mantra around diabetes, I'd rather stop a low or falling blood sugar, then fight with a high one, if you just come from that perspective, every day. It's an A one C in the sixes. It's just a perspective, it's a perspective thing. So I think it's important about how people talk to you and what they choose to make you aware of. And moreover, maybe it's not good to make people afraid of things, wouldn't it be better just to give them a working knowledge of it? And and then some tools to, to access them? That's how I feel.
Sasha 1:18:26
Yeah, I agree with that. And I think, I think in that sense, looping is is really great, or any kind of algorithm that you can use, because not only is going to is it going to prevent your lows and prevent you from you know, having to stuff your face all the time. But it's also going to start doing the work for you, when you when it sees you going high. So you don't have to wait as long to to act and hopefully the high is not as high later on.
Scott Benner 1:18:59
And I think as the years go on, and we have more time with it, the company should make the stopping of the high blood sugars with the algorithm more aggressive. Because it does need to be pretty aggressive. You can't just you know, you can't do you can't do a slight Basal increase when you know, when you're suddenly 125 Diagonal up because you missed on your meal Bolus by 20 carbs. Like that's not gonna, I mean, it might keep you under 200 But it's not gonna. It's not gonna just bring your right back again. So as that gets and loop those that are using what version of loop are using
Sasha 1:19:36
I'm not using the automatic small boluses okay,
Scott Benner 1:19:39
why? Alright, so you're you're just adjusting Basal for you. Yeah, it is. Arden's is the auto Bolus one. It's really cool. It's just like you can mess up in 10 minutes later, you get a diagonal up arrow and the things like more here I'll give you more. It's it's still could be more aggressive. But It's, it's, uh, it's amazing, it's a, it's a window into what I think retail, retail available systems are going to be, you know, in the coming years, I'm just super excited to for everybody's to be on the market and for people to learn how to use them. Because I think for most people, they're going to be incredible improvements. So, you know, now if you've got a five, five, a one C, you might not want that. But if you're a person walk around with an eight and a half and slapping an algorithm pump on, you could bring you to a mid six, or even i Six, it's a big improvement for you. Out of nowhere, you know,
Sasha 1:20:36
honestly, if even if you have a low A one C, it's, it's still going to be an improvement, maybe not in a numbers, but the mental load.
Scott Benner 1:20:48
I agree with you. Like there may be people who are willing to say, look, I have a five, five, but I'm going to switch to this algorithm and not have to worry about this as much and have a six, three, and just be like, hey, whatever this is trading a little bit here. I also think, and I'm excited to get Omnipod, five for Arden so I can really find out. But I also think there's going to be ways to do I want to say manipulate, I think there's going to be ways to use the insulin within the algorithm that will lead to the lower a one sees even lower than what the algorithm is shooting for through the F like through the FDA guidelines. I'm not certain, but I'm excited to try it. So I think it's possible because you hear people manipulate control IQ, right? With tandem and and get better outcomes than I think what the algorithms written for so there's got to be a way I'm, I can't wait. And and especially as Arden's leaving for college, I love loop, but Arden's not gonna build a app on her laptop. I don't think you know what I mean? Like, I'm trying to imagine her away at university. And she, you know, like, hey, my app needs to be rebuilt. I'll do it. Like, I'm not certain. That's her vibe.
Sasha 1:22:05
It's a big commitment. Yeah. And I think if you're not if you're not involved from the get go, it's kind of hard to just forced into it later.
Scott Benner 1:22:14
Yeah. I listen, I barely understand it. And there are people who helped me when I like, help me please. Like and that's just, you know, I get it. I know those people because the podcast or I don't think I'd, I mean, honestly, you heard me say enough. After three years of French that's not even correct. Like, the one thing I think I know isn't even right. So he imagined me like learning the loop out like stuff wouldn't go well. This is the thing right here. Talking about killing spiders. And whether or not you can kick kangaroos asked like stuff like that. It's more my speed. So isn't it weird now that you've talked to me in person that I end up that I understand diabetes in the way I do? Right? Yeah, makes sense? No, does it just feel like you just met like a homeless person who like understands rocket science? You're like, Wait, I don't understand, like, how did you end up in this situation? If you know how to get a rocket into space? Like there's this one thing I'm really good at and everything else. I'm just very average, I guess.
Sasha 1:23:16
I think you're very good at making parallels. With your random everyday examples that happened to you.
Scott Benner 1:23:26
It really is my only skill. Please don't tell people it makes me seem very basic. Which
Sasha 1:23:31
I No, no, I didn't. I didn't say that was your skill. But I did say it was a skill,
Scott Benner 1:23:35
it might be my skill. It might be my only skill that I hear something. And that I have so much trouble understanding it that I just turn it into a pictogram in my head. And then I can in a fun way, describe it to you in a way where you can remember it. Like it works in this scenario. But like, imagine if you and I were dating, and like something came up that I didn't understand that I started telling some long s3 to get to the point you'd be like, Oh my god, I gotta get rid of the sky. Don't you think that you think my wife downstairs is like right now? It's gonna come explain something to me. It's gonna take way more words than you. Do you know that? I don't think of you as the age you are because of your accent.
Sasha 1:24:24
Really? Yeah. Sound old.
Scott Benner 1:24:27
It's just older. It's there's something about the British and or Australian vibe. That makes you feel like you're in your 30s you own your home and you've got stuff together.
Sasha 1:24:37
Oh, man, I wish
Scott Benner 1:24:42
it could just be me. But that's how it feels to me. Like I have to I've had to remind myself that you're 25 a number of times while you're talking.
Sasha 1:24:53
That's okay. That makes me feel better actually.
Scott Benner 1:24:55
Does it really? Yeah. Why do you think
Sasha 1:24:59
it's so As a compliment, if you sound more mature than you are, right,
Scott Benner 1:25:04
you seem together to me. But I don't know if you're not going to get off this podcast and like, do a line of coke and then drink a fifth of whiskey. I'm like, I don't know who you really are, don't me like, but in this conversation, you plus your Australian like, I feel like you're gonna go outside with a bat and just like Murad or something. That's probably not really what Australia is like, right?
Sasha 1:25:25
No, not really. I mean, if you live out in the bush, maybe
Scott Benner 1:25:31
I have no perspective. I almost made it to Australia one time. There's a group of type ones that wanted to bring me down there to give a talk. And we just couldn't pull the finances together because of the long trip and everything and the expense. But I was excited to try it. But I don't think it's ever gonna happen because I'm old. And now everybody does everything over zoom anyway. You know, so
Sasha 1:25:54
Oh, I mean, Coronavirus ever has an end, I reckon you'd be able to pull it off. I think honestly, there's a lot of people. As you said, there's a lot of Australians listening to the podcast, I think, I think it would be really useful.
Scott Benner 1:26:10
If I had, I'm gonna end with this session. Because I have to let you go. Because it's 1222 where you are. And I assume you have to get up in the morning. If I had like a big pile of money, and I didn't know what to do it like if somebody came along and was like, Scott, we think you're doing a great job with the podcast, here's $2 million to do whatever you want to help people with type one. I do you think that part of what I would do would be to travel to like some places to just talk. I don't want to talk to doctors and people who talk to people about diabetes, I'd love to explain to them, like the what I found works, talking to people. And there's some places that have supported the podcast. So greatly like I would love to visit. Australia is definitely one of them. The United Kingdom is really supportive of the podcast, like I'd love to go there. It's got a very interesting following in South Africa. The show, which is always really interesting to me, and then I just would love to just bop around the United States and, you know, do a talk and go and see if we couldn't help some people and get people talking about diabetes in a different way and get doctors thinking about stuff. Beyond just what's easy in the moment and lumping everybody together into one pile and least common denominator. You know, teaching I'd love to talk about that a little bit, but I'm just gonna keep doing it here. Because like you said Coronavirus and money, etc. But I'm really thrilled you found the show and that it's helped you at all, like you've really sound like your your life's on its way. It's cool. You feel good?
Sasha 1:27:45
Yeah, yeah.
Scott Benner 1:27:47
Good for you. Are you more hopeful about your life than you were five years ago?
Sasha 1:27:54
With diabetes, diabetes? Yeah. Yeah, I think I think as you said, as, as those algorithms keep getting better and better. I'm just, you know, hoping that one day I'll find the perfect one that suits my lifestyle.
Scott Benner 1:28:14
Keep looking, because, um, yeah, seriously, like, don't get don't get complacent. I think there's a fine line between not being complacent and not switching just to switch. You know what I mean? Like, you don't just like just don't get a new pump. Like because a new like, you know, some people are like, oh, a new phone, and they just get it. Like, you know, but don't stop looking. And I think really believe that this stuff's going to get better and better as time goes on. And I hope the companies listening are it would be nice if they did the same thing. If they didn't just say, well, this is good. We've improved things for people good enough. Like if they really just pushed forward to see what what they could do and be brave about it. You know, there's, there's people out there who already know how to do this stuff. Like, you don't have to reinvent the wheel. Go find them. And bring it bring this stuff to the masses. That'd be really cool. Yeah, yeah. All right. Well, I really appreciate you doing this. You were terrific. I was silly. And I appreciate you putting up with me. So thank
Unknown Speaker 1:29:20
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Scott Benner 1:29:24
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#580 Diabetes Variables: Weight Change
Diabetes Variables: Weight Change
Scott and Jenny Smith, CDE share insights on type 1 diabetes care
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Scott Benner 0:00
Hello, everyone, and welcome to episode 580 of the Juicebox Podcast.
Hey guys, welcome back to another diabetes variables episode with me. I'm Scott and Jenny Smith. Jenny, of course, works at Integrated diabetes. And you can hire if you'd like at Integrated diabetes calm. The diabetes variable series has been going over listener submitted variables for type one diabetes, and today's topic is weight change. Maybe put on a little tick off a little gain muscle lose muscle, that's a variable for diabetes. And in a moment Jenny and I are going to talk about all of that. But for now, please remember that nothing you hear on the Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice, medical or otherwise, always consult a physician before making any changes to your health care plan are becoming bold with insulin. My friend Jenny Smith has had type one diabetes for over 30 years. She holds a bachelor's degree in Human Nutrition and biology from the University of Wisconsin. She's a registered and licensed dietitian, a certified diabetes educator and a certified trainer on most makes and models of insulin pumps and continuous glucose monitors. And if that's not enough, she's one of the kindest people I've ever met.
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Jennifer Smith, CDE 5:15
first. True, yeah, unless you're really the person who is very much on top of like, I weigh myself every single Friday morning when I get out of bed with no clothes on.
Unknown Speaker 5:26
Like, I have to have this weekly, weekly weight sort of check in.
Jennifer Smith, CDE 5:31
So yeah, I would say even five pounds is kind of hard to feel a difference on your body. I think the biggest shift in terms of noticing is like how your clothes are fitting. And that also then means that it's kind of where did the weight goal to go more around your waist? Your pants are harder to button now? Did it kind of get distributed evenly through the course of your whole, like all the fat cells in your body? And maybe you're really not visually seeing the five column weight gain. But we changes affect diabetes? As a general statement? Yes.
Scott Benner 6:07
So where do you think it affects first Basal is that
Jennifer Smith, CDE 6:13
from a if we're talking true weight change in terms of fat weight gain, right? Not muscle fat, not muscle weight gain, but fat weight gain, then metabolically, you would think you would see the change in Basal first. Now if you're somebody that hasn't really had much precision around like mealtime, dosing or whatnot, you might also start to see more excursions around meal time than you did before. But also that could be that there's not enough Basal behind it too. And so your Bolus is just are covering as well as they were before too. So Basal first,
Scott Benner 6:55
I was just delighted that you use the word excursions for oh, I don't know why. I just she means when things get upside down at mealtime. Why is my blood sugar 240 All of a sudden? Yes. I love the use of that word, it really took me by surprise. Are you saying that if I like yoked up and put 20 pounds of muscle on it, the impact would be different or different
Jennifer Smith, CDE 7:25
how because remember, the more muscle that you have on your body, typically speaking, the more muscle you have. Muscle needs to be maintained by the body. And as such, muscle gain means a higher metabolic turnaround. It means that you use energy more efficiently that somebody who weighs the same amount, but is more fat weight than muscle weight. So typically, we would expect that the more muscle gain you have, you would have more sensitivity to insulin. To maintain that weight, you also probably have a pretty regimented exercise plan, both some cardio, some resistance, some, you know, weightlifting, whatever is in the mix. So all around heavier weight increase in the body, whether it's toning and definition and muscle build or like body building muscle, you would expect that your insulin needs may metabolic Basal wise go down because you're burning things and using insulin better.
Scott Benner 8:32
Okay. So just being healthier, in general, can require less insulin, because of what it infers not only the way your muscles work in your body, but you're probably eating differently or working out differently than even a person at your same weight. Who's more sedentary? Correct, got it. Okay.
Jennifer Smith, CDE 8:55
And I think along with that, you can kind of, you can actually see a pretty quick turnaround in difference. Let's say that you're a person who exercises pretty much every day, like at least 30 to 45 minutes of some type of movement that is designated in a time period, right. And let's say you have a week where you are not sick, but just things have gotten so busy that you literally just can't even get out the door and go do what your normal thing is mid to end of that week, you may definitely notice the difference in no exercise compared to the sensitivity you were seeing when you were regularly day after day or every other day, moving your body
Scott Benner 9:38
and that'll you'll notice that by your blood sugar's rising in general,
Jennifer Smith, CDE 9:41
right and less response to insulin in the way that you had been experiencing comparative to in a more sedentary, okay, setting.
Scott Benner 9:51
So, so more I guess let's look at kids for a second is the similar idea with kids gain weight. Then as their growing parents kind of don't notice. And then they suddenly nothing's working. So there's nothing really different here. Right? If your child gaining weight or or an adult, I mean, is it that the similar?
Jennifer Smith, CDE 10:12
Well, I guess not so much. But in a kid, remember, if it's healthy weight gain because of normal growth pattern, it's what would be expected in terms of where they are, in age or in life, their gain is for a, for a real reason, they're growing. So they may be growing right, gaining weight, and then they may grow in height as well. Kids usually grow out, grow up, grow out, grow up. And so with growth, usually, you'll see those typical things which we've talked about in terms of like, increase in insulin during those growth periods and whatnot. But then usually with growth, that has been a weight gain, and the increase in insulin need will be sustained. Because they've gained some weight. I mean, kids usually don't go from one week weighing 42 pounds to the next week weighing 52 pounds. I mean, that's, that's excessive gain, right? There's something wrong.
Scott Benner 11:14
What about, let's, let's say we have an adult who's, generally speaking, is that a weight that they they wish wasn't so and there, they go about losing weight, but they do it? Let's just for an example, let's say they do it in an unhealthy way. It's not, it's not about exercise, they just stopped eating or something crazy, okay, and then they're losing weight, will they see it? Will they see a decrease in their insulin needs, because you're not adding exercise, you're not adding good food, you just just the dwindling of body mass?
Jennifer Smith, CDE 11:46
Absolutely, they'll see a difference. I mean, their mass their body mass has gone down, they will metabolically require less insulin, unless the weight loss is such a stress on the body. Enough of a stress kind of like an illness, they stress that the body is really like, bothered by this loss and struggling through it, especially in I mean, you brought up like just stopping eating or dwindling, the amount that comes in to a considerable amount. Again, that could be a significant enough stress that while insulin needs will go down, because of the weight based shift, they the stress on the body may make it look less significant. Again, these are like assumptions around a scenario,
Scott Benner 12:29
right? No, I just wanted to paint a picture because I because I'm a little afraid that this episode really should be, hey, when your weight shifts, your insulin needs are going to shift shift. Yeah, yes. And then the music plays at the end. And we say goodbye, like so. Yes. Yeah. I just wanted to
Jennifer Smith, CDE 12:45
I mean, that's in a nutshell. Absolutely. That's it? Yes.
Scott Benner 12:50
I just wanted to give some contextual ways that people might see it in their real life. So that it's not just so simple as hey, if your weight shifts, because I think it's possible people don't notice that as much even great stunning when you don't notice it on your own kid or yourself. I mean, especially on yourself, if you're a person living with type one. I mean, or if you're, you know, you don't notice people you live with people you live with are the last people to ever notice that you've gained because they see you every day, there's no way for him to tell whatsoever. I will like walk down stairs, sometimes I'll be like, Yo, anybody want to notice like, but I look better? If you notice how, like, flatter my chin is or like anything and like, No. So then you think, well, what's the point? They just seem to be the same
Jennifer Smith, CDE 13:35
point should be for your own self benefit should have nothing to do with others. Right. But I think you know, as a variable, which is what this really is right? weight change as a variable. I think you bring up a good point in terms of excuse me, if you've looked at so many other things, as Why are my insulin needs so much higher? Why does it look like I'm so much more sensitive? Maybe is it? Have you stepped on the scale lately?
Scott Benner 14:03
Yeah, maybe you just don't know what happened. What's happening, right. Okay. All right. Great. Thank you.
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