#1607 Three Legged Dick
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Megan, 36, has lived with T1D since age 4 and now faces lupus too.
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Scott Benner 0:00
Here we are back together again, friends for another episode of The Juicebox podcast.
Megan 0:15
My name is Megan. I am 36 and live in the Midwest, and I've been a type one since I was four years old. If
Scott Benner 0:25
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Megan 2:28
my name is Megan. I am 36 and live in the Midwest, and I've been a type one since I was four years old.
Scott Benner 2:37
That's 32 years ago. I know. Wow. No kidding. So do you feel old
Megan 2:45
when I get out of bed sometimes? Yeah,
Scott Benner 2:48
is that your back and your joints? Where do you feel it
Megan 2:51
everywhere, like my shoulder, my back, my legs, my feet. But I also work out five times a week, so I feel like I'm just perpetually sore all the time.
Scott Benner 3:04
Do you have other autoimmune stuff? Like I
Megan 3:07
was diagnosed with lupus in September of 22 the only reason they caught it was with blood work, though, and I don't seem to have any outward physical symptoms. It's not joint pain that I feel. It's more like
Scott Benner 3:22
muscle soreness. Okay, what do they do for that? I'm
Megan 3:26
on hydroxychloroquine. That's the only thing I'm on right now. Does it help? Well, I don't feel like it's ever been bad, so it's hard to say.
Scott Benner 3:34
Is the medication prophylactic? Are they trying to get ahead of something?
Megan 3:38
I think so, because we've determined that I've never really had any kind of lupus flare. They caught it kind of by accident. I had low iron and then pancyte anemia, so all my blood counts were low. They they did further testing to try to figure out the cause of that. They did, like an ANA titer, and then they did further, like more specific lupus testing, and all those markers came back positive.
Scott Benner 4:10
Anybody in your family have it? Nope, I'm the lucky one. I'm the lucky one. That's from a movie. I don't know what that is. I can't think of it. Do you have anything else, like thyroid, celiac, anything there? Nope, no. Okay, nope, any type one in your family? Yes, who my dad? His dad? My aunt, which is my dad's sister, her son, who is type two,
Megan 4:38
my grandmother, which is my dad's mother has type two, and I think that's it.
Scott Benner 4:46
Wow, you guys got carpet bombed with diabetes? Yeah, seriously. But other than that, the lupus is the only other autoimmune thing you're aware of. Nobody's got Ra. One of those grandmoms doesn't have RA or anything like that.
Megan 4:58
No, no. He. Only other thing that I've had is ITP. It's like idiopathic, something where my platelets were super, super low and I couldn't clot. That happened when I was, like, eight years old, and it kind of just resolved on its own,
Scott Benner 5:15
wonky. Yeah. How did they figure that out? Were you just bleeding?
Megan 5:19
Yeah, I lost, I lost a tooth, and I was super excited because I was eight, and I wanted some money from the tooth fairy. Yeah, put the tooth on my pillow. Woke up the next morning, my pillow was covered in blood, and then obviously my mom was freaked out. Yeah, so we went to children's, and they ran some tests in the ED and admitted me. I think I was there for maybe two or three days, no kidding,
Scott Benner 5:44
and then they figured that out that's something. So you're saying that the lupus impact for you, if it's anything, it's muscular, but you don't think you're having an impact,
Megan 5:54
at least not that I'm aware of. I don't know if it's like muscular, or if that's just, you know, my workouts, because it's a feeling that I've felt before, and it was before
Scott Benner 6:06
I had lupus, too. So, okay, how long you've been taking the medication,
Megan 6:10
since like October of 22
Scott Benner 6:14
Oh, okay, like coming up on three years? Yeah, all right, well, and you take, is it a pill a day, or it's a pill and a half. Awesome. Yeah, I don't know what to say. That's it's interesting. I've never had anybody say I have something, but I have absolutely no symptoms, but they're still
Megan 6:30
medicating me for it. Right? Isn't that
Scott Benner 6:32
weird? Do you ever think that you're doing the wrong thing, or do you ever think like, wow, this must be really working. Like, what's your gut feeling about
Megan 6:40
it. Well, my complement levels, which I guess, is how they measure the active disease you have, like the active lupus disease going on in your body. They're always like, hovering at the low end of normal. And there have been a couple of times where they've been actually low. So I think that there is a need for the medication from that standpoint, yeah, but I don't know, like, they kind of just hover in this same little range, and it doesn't seem like, you know, it's raised significantly, but I also don't feel bad, so I mean, feels worth
Scott Benner 7:20
doing and keeping an eye on. Yeah, all right, fair enough. But are you married? Do you have kids? Single?
Megan 7:27
No kids. I have two fur babies, and then I have a boyfriend. Did
Scott Benner 7:35
he come with the dogs? Or did the dogs come with him? Or I came with the dogs? You came with
Megan 7:40
the dogs? Yeah, he has
Scott Benner 7:41
a three legged cat. No, seriously,
Megan 7:45
yeah, named trip,
Scott Benner 7:48
trip with two peas, by any chance? Yeah, yeah, Tao would have done it. So is the cat dexterous, or does it fall a lot?
Megan 7:55
No, he's pretty good with his, um, he's missing a front paw, and he's, he's got this super buff, like one front Paul, and he, he seems to get around pretty fine. I really haven't seen him fall or anything, although I think he's getting kind of chubby, so I think that might be a problem. If pull him over. I know, yeah, keeps being fed the way he is.
Scott Benner 8:20
Okay. So you're diagnosed at a very young age, and I'm gonna ask some questions. I know you have some topics, but let me ask you a couple questions. First, Yeah, cuz you're, you're an interesting age, right? You're in your mid 30s. You're not, like, you're not in your 40s, and, like, giving up already, and you're not in your 20s and still, like, fighting the system, right? Like, you're Yeah, you're in your 30s now, like, yeah, what was it like growing up with diabetes, and was your experience the way you felt it as it was happening in hindsight? How do you feel about
Megan 8:51
it? See, so when I was diagnosed, it was actually three weeks before my fourth birthday, and we were scheduled to go go on like a spring break vacation to I think it was Gatlinburg, somewhere in Tennessee. I get diagnosed. We go to our local children's hospital. And the weird thing about my diagnosis story is I wasn't in DKA. I wasn't sick. My parents caught it pretty early, just because with my dad's family history, like he was well aware of the possibility, so he knew what to look for. So I wasn't sick. I didn't need a bunch of fluids. I didn't need my blood sugar brought down from 1000 so they kind of didn't know what to do with me, and I was just like sitting in the hospital for a couple of days before they discharged us. But back then, it was the regimen was R and NPH, which I could for the life of me, I wouldn't be able to remember how to dose that now, sure, and then, obviously, no CGM. So thinking about that. Just in hindsight, I don't know how my parents, like, didn't lose their minds not knowing what my blood sugar was. And, like, obviously, I'm an active four year old, just running around and being low all the time. And it was a pretty, like, strict meal plan. So it was breakfast, morning snack, lunch, afternoon snack, dinner, bedtime snack. And if you missed any of those, or the timing was off, you bottomed out. Yeah, so from looking back at that now, and if I had a child that, you know, didn't have a CGM, and I don't know, I don't know how I would be able to do it. The technology now is it's great when it works. I know that sometimes it's pain in the ass, but it's so much better than it's flying blind, basically,
Scott Benner 10:53
yeah, yeah. I just had this conversation with Dexcom President Jake, and it's going to be on the podcast in a couple of days, and by the time people hear it'll be a couple months ago. I feel compelled, you know, I ask people for questions for, you know, hey, somebody's coming on from this company. Ask your questions. Mostly people don't jump on and say, like, Hey, can you tell them thank you? Like, you know what I mean? Like, it's like, here are my complaints. They feel like I might have a bit of a pathway to somebody hearing this, and not that anybody's complaints are in any way invalid, but I do sometimes feel like it can overlook what you just said, like this is not perfect, but yeah, you should have been here 40 years ago. Yeah, yeah. I think you'd experience a sensor failure, or, you know, a misreading, or your pump site going bad early, and you think to yourself, this is way better than it could be. Oh, yeah, yeah. So it's tough, because, you know, when people jump in now, they're diagnosed in the last couple of years, you know, they hear there's this great technology, blah, blah, blah, and when it doesn't work, for some reason, they don't make that rest of that connection. Like, I always say, like, go around your house to all of your electronics and all of your gadgets, and they all work the way you think they're supposed to. Like, you know, like, we're still getting there, you know what? I mean. Oh, yeah, technology wise. Anyway, okay, so you're growing up without anything, really. Or, I mean, when do your parents say, Hey, this is on you. Or when do you say to them, I don't need your help anymore. Or do you stay like as a kind of cohesive team for a long period of time? Today's episode is brought to you by Omnipod. It might sound crazy to say, but Summertime is right around the corner. That means more swimming, sports activities, vacations, and you know what's a great feeling being able to stay connected to automated insulin delivery while doing it all. Omnipod five is the only tube free automated insulin delivery system in the US, and because it's tube free and waterproof, it goes everywhere you do in the pool, in the ocean or on the soccer field, unlike traditional insulin pumps, you never have to disconnect from Omnipod five for daily activities, which means you never have to take a break from automated insulin delivery ready to go tube free. Request your free Omnipod five Starter Kit today at omnipod.com/juicebox Terms and Conditions apply. Eligibility may vary. Full terms and conditions can be found at omnipod.com/juicebox type that link into your browser, or go to Juicebox podcast.com and click on the image of Omnipod right at the bottom, there's also a link right in the show notes of your podcast player. Why would you settle for changing your CGM every few weeks when you can have 365 days of reliable glucose data. Today's episode is sponsored by the Eversense 365 it is the only CGM with a tiny sensor that lasts a full year sitting comfortably under your skin with no more frequent sensor changes and essentially no compression lows. For one year, you'll get your CGM data in real time on your phone, smartwatch, Android or iOS, even an Apple Watch, predictive high and low alerts let you know where your glucose is headed before it gets there. So there's no surprises, just confidence, and you can instantly share that data with your healthcare provider or your family. You're going to get one year of reliable data without all those sensor changes. That's the ever since 365 gentle on your skin, strong for your life, one sensor a year. That gives you one less thing to worry about. Head now to ever since cgm.com/juicebox, to get started.
Megan 14:39
I'm trying to think when they started, it was mostly my dad, because he was obviously typing himself more familiar with it, because he lived with it already, and he's also in the medical field. So there was, he had all this information and experience. I think as young as, like, six years old. Old, he started giving me the syringe that was already dosed and holding my hand while we both injected. And then from there, I think I was around eight years old when I started doing my own injections. And then I think I was also part of the process of dosing. So they'd be like, okay, Megan, it's dinner time. How much are we taking? And I'd say, you know, whatever. And then, okay, how much mph? And I know that. I think it was cloudy first, then clear. So I was taught that whole process too. So I think probably by the time I was 10 years old, I was at least involved in treatment decisions. And, you know, meal time dosing,
Scott Benner 15:50
okay, that generally meant, like, just making sure you injected on time, making sure you ate at the right times, like there was you weren't doing a ton of, I don't know, adjusting, giving yourself more insulin later? Were you? No, no, you weren't covering numbers or stuff like that.
Megan 16:05
No, that was probably closer to, like, teenage years.
Scott Benner 16:09
Okay. And your father has type one. Is he still alive? Yes. And how is his health?
Megan 16:14
He's good, yeah. You know a 60 something year old white man, so he has high blood pressure, no complications from diabetes so far. When he was diagnosed when he was senior year of college, so I think 23
Scott Benner 16:29
okay, oh yeah, he's been at it for a while too. Yeah. All right, yeah. And do you and he still manage similarly? Or, have you? I mean, have you grown? Have the two of you grown with what you've done over the years, or has he stayed pretty stable and you've changed?
Megan 16:42
So I have the tandem pump, and then the g7 he still does manual injections with Atlantis and Humalog, and then he has the g6 he hasn't upgraded g7 yet. He's a little stubborn. I keep telling him, like because he'll complain about, you know, he'll go and do yard work, and his blood sugar will start tanking. I'm like, Well, you can't do anything about it, because if you decrease your Lantus, you'll be high when you're not doing an activity. And then if you go do activity, you're gonna, you know, tank. So I keep trying to sell him like, you know, the pump, and I think I might have finally convinced him, but, yeah, he's still doing manual injections. I think his a 1c, are mid sixes. He's managed
Scott Benner 17:33
pretty well. Yes, certainly has. And where you're sitting, my last
Megan 17:39
two, it was 5.7 and then I just had one recently in a 6.1 but I also just, like, moved one of my dogs, like, died right after, right before we moved, and then I'm in the middle of, like, a job change, so, like, some stress things have been happening, so I'm okay with, like, The little bit of a bump up that it's had, but I prefer it to be, like, under six.
Scott Benner 18:06
Yeah, did you kill the dog or did it die naturally?
Megan 18:10
He died. He was this little chihuahua mix, and his name was pickle, and he died of liver failure. No kidding, how old? Yeah, he was only seven. That sucks. He had a congenitally small liver, and it just couldn't keep up with
Scott Benner 18:29
his body. You didn't find that out till he was, like, in trouble, I imagine, yeah,
Megan 18:34
we didn't find out till it was like, end stage liver failure, which is, it's super similar to, like, if a person has liver failure, wow, so interesting.
Scott Benner 18:43
Yeah, I have a question you may not have an answer to, because it's your life, and you grew up that way, right? But how do you think your life, who you are today, how you interact with the world now, has been impacted by having diabetes? I don't know that I've ever asked anybody this before, but you feel like wisdom to me and in the right maybe you're probably like, don't give me too much credit here, Scott, but like, I feel like you're a good person to ask this question up. Maybe I'll end up being wrong, but
Megan 19:12
I feel like it's made me more resilient. I don't know. I feel like I owe it to my dad, because he never wanted me to feel like, not that I wasn't different, but that I couldn't do anything that I wanted to do, or that like it shouldn't keep me from doing the things I want to do, and so far it, it really hasn't. So I think growing up with that mindset and then just in general, like having to manage a disease like this, that's like all day, every day, you don't get a break. I think it's just made my you know, given me, like a tougher skin.
Scott Benner 19:51
If I take you back 10 years, would you answer it the same way? Or do you have a different feeling in your mid
Megan 19:56
20s? I might have a different answer, because. Because during my, like, early 20s, I wasn't the greatest at taking care of it. So I went from, you know, being managed by the endo at Children's to, you know, okay, you're on your own. You're 18, and, like, I kind of dropped the ball for a few years after that by not getting, like, an endo immediately after, you know, I left Children's Hospital, so I had a few years where maybe it was just burnout, where I didn't pay attention to it as much as I probably should have.
Scott Benner 20:33
Yeah, where did that put your a one, CS back then nine? Yeah, like, and you think it went on for a couple years, yeah, through through do you go to college? To go through college?
Megan 20:45
Yes, through college, and then in between college and trying to find, like, my first adult job, I, you know, served and bar attended for a few years, and just working in that, like industry, it's common for, you know, people to get off work at like 9pm and then kind of have like a happy hour. So that was probably the height of, like, my drinking phase too. I guess you would call
Scott Benner 21:13
it. I thought you're gonna say do cocaine and have sex with co workers, because some people have come on here and told crazy stories about working in
Megan 21:21
restaurants. Yeah, no, well, I might be boring. You're
Scott Benner 21:25
like, I just got loaded.
Megan 21:28
Yeah, I just drank like, a boring
Scott Benner 21:31
person, like a boring person, yeah, no, seriously, some of the stories people have told about restaurants, I'm like, Really,
Megan 21:37
yeah, no, there are crazy stories that, like, I've heard like, the next day, but you know, I wasn't you. No, I was typically somebody that, like, I was one of the first ones to go home most of the time, because I'm, like, all right, I'm I'm out, but,
Scott Benner 21:51
but you've had a friend come up to you and tell you, Oh, I know why. They call him the short order cook now,
Megan 21:55
yeah, yeah, yeah, stuff like that. Like people getting arrested at three o'clock in the morning and, like, missing their shift because they're in jail. Yeah? Like crazy.
Scott Benner 22:05
Tip your waiter. Yeah, they need it for bail. Yeah, yeah, that's funny. My gosh, okay, so, I mean, you can call it burnout. Like you said, I didn't get an endo real quickly after leaving Children's Hospital, but like, you still knew what you were doing, right? So, like, Is there, like, there's some sort of, like, I mean, listen, this happens to people where they have diabetes or not, right? They reach a certain age and they're like, I'm an adult now, right? Like, and maybe for some people, it's like, I'm not gonna clean my room anymore, or I'm, you know, I'm gonna let my hair grow, or I'm gonna have sex with that guy that my mom told me not to. But like, for you, it's like, I'm probably not gonna take insulin quite as often as I had to. It's yeah, yeah. And you're okay now today, you feel good. Yeah,
Megan 22:47
I do. I feel good despite, you know, having the, you know, somewhat recent lupus diagnosis, yeah,
Scott Benner 22:54
but you know how to use your insulin. You have you're up on technology, you're active. You obviously work out a lot. So let's talk about that a little bit like, yeah, when did you start like, working out? Like, I mean, five times a week is pretty aggressive, right?
Megan 23:07
Yeah. But if I like, don't hit the five days a week, I feel like, gross. So now it's so ingrained in my routine that if I don't do it, it feels weird. But it was like January of 2019, I had, like, the New Year's resolution, I'm gonna get in better shape. And I actually followed through with it, because I, you know, I had said that before in previous years, and kind of just did it for a few weeks and then gave up. Yeah.
Scott Benner 23:37
What does that mean? By the way, you're looking to change your weight, your muscle tone, your physical endurance. What was your goal? I would say body composition. Okay, moving stuff to where you want it,
Megan 23:49
yeah, like adding more muscle, trimming fat in certain places. I mean, probably weight loss was my goal in the beginning, just because I feel like, as women or girls, that's kind of drilled into our heads. Like, watch the number on the scale and now, like, I don't even know how much I weigh right now, I just go by how I look and how I feel.
Scott Benner 24:14
It's a pretty great thing not to have to think about anymore. Like, did your mom put that in your head? Or was it societal? Or where do you think you got it from? Yeah, I
Megan 24:21
think it was societal, like, I grew up in, you know, the 90s and early 2000s so, you know, I graduated high school in 2007 and the look at that time was skinny. It's not like it is today, where they're like muscle mommies and, like, it's cool to be, like, muscular now as a woman that just wasn't a thing or a body image that was widely talking, yeah, accepted back then.
Scott Benner 24:51
Interesting. So, like, so you make this decision in would you say 2019, for your New Year's resolution? Yeah, okay, and you're. Go for it, and this time you don't it goes more than a few weeks. Do you know what the first thing was that happened that hooked you, that kept you wanting to go?
Megan 25:07
I started noticing, like definition in places where I was never able to get it before. And I think the only reason was because I just wasn't consistent enough for a long enough period of time. So when I did start seeing results and like, Okay, well, what's it going to look like in another four weeks, or, you know, another 12 weeks or six months? So I think that's what initially
Scott Benner 25:34
hooked me. Okay, yeah, that's awesome, just seeing some sort of progress. Yeah, yeah. Did you go by yourself? Did you have a buddy? Did you like? How did you make the decision to like, I mean, did you, you know, pair up with somebody to keep you, you know, focused on it.
Megan 25:51
I hired a personal trainer to do, like, three days a week. I think it was just 30 minute sessions. It wasn't even super long. What also helped me stay consistent was like, I'm spending money on this, and I might as well go to these sessions, because otherwise, you know, what am I spending this money for? Yeah. So that was also a big motivator, especially in the beginning, like, I don't want to waste my money, so I might as well go right
Scott Benner 26:20
and did you tell people, like, I do that sometimes I'm like, I'm doing something. I'd say it out loud so I can't, like, back out of it. Yeah, yeah, that too. That is helpful sometimes. I mean, if it doesn't work out, it probably just feels like more pressure. But I do it a lot with the podcast. Like, I'll get on here and say, like, like, what's this thing that I want to do with the podcast that I know is a ton of work, and it might not work out, and it might end up being a waste of time. Like, let me just say it out loud, and maybe that'll make it happen. You know, yeah, it does help, yeah. Would you consider that your, like, your gym routine is, like, anaerobic? Is it more weight related? Is it, you know, aerobic? Like, you know what I mean. Like, how do you like, was it resistance, or is it a little mix of everything?
Megan 27:01
I would say, for the most part, it's weight training. I just started incorporating some cardio back in just because it's summer, I want to, you know, cut a little bit of fat, and I've also dropped my calories. So that's also a big part of it, is the food. Foods like 70% of your your progress and your change. So if that's not calibrated correctly for your body and your goals, I think that's where some people get hung up. And they're like, well, not seeing results, and I'm doing these workouts, and I think that's a big point of frustration for people, is, if the food isn't correct and calibrated to you, you're not gonna you're not gonna see the changes you want to see.
Scott Benner 27:48
So was your nutrition solid before the gym or to going to the gym teach you to work on your nutrition?
Megan 27:54
I think I was eating the right foods. I just wasn't eating the right amounts, like I definitely wasn't eating enough protein, and overall, I just wasn't eating enough calories for muscle
Scott Benner 28:07
growth. Okay, that's interesting, yeah. How do you figure that out? By talking to somebody at the gym, or just by, like, working out, going, I'm putting a lot of effort in this, and I'm not seeing a return. Well, both, yeah,
Megan 28:20
I started, yeah, I started noticing kind of, like, a plateau where I'm, like, I'm not seeing, you know, as much change as I would think that I should be seeing. And I think I mentioned, you know, what I was eating to somebody at the gym, and they referred me to, she's not a nutritionist, but she has, like, a nutrition certification so she can calibrate your macros for you. Okay, that made a huge difference in results. Oh,
Scott Benner 28:49
it's awesome. I didn't know we were going to talk about this, but I'm glad we did, and we are, because, like, Jenny and I are in the middle of putting out a nutrition series in the podcast right now, so it's been, just been, only been going on for a couple of weeks, but she's a, she actually is a nutritionist and and she, she's, like, always wants to talk about this, but it's funny, like, you know, I've kind of talked about this privately and not really said it out loud, but we wanted to do it earlier, but we really felt like I had to build up more of like, I had to build a bigger fan base up and more like, trust with people before you start, because once you start talking about how to eat with people, man, like it, people get pissed about that. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, I wanted the listeners to know. Like, I'm not telling you what to do, and I'm not judging you like that. But here's what Jenny thinks like this. You know, here's what I've learned, you know, but here's what she knows. And I hope this helps you, and if it does, that's awesome. And if, and if you're mad that you hear me saying Doritos aren't good for you, then I mean, hopefully you won't just leave and ignore, you know, your health in general, like, anymore, like, say, but yeah, it's a real feeling, because I you. You know, I made a misstep a few years ago. I, you know, some would say, some people say no, but like, you know, we just put out, like, I think, like, a seven or eight episode Pro Tip series for type twos. And the idea really was Megan, just like, Listen. A lot of you listen and think that this podcast is helping you with your type one. You must know people living with type two. Here's some content you can show them. And yeah, I had, I don't want to say exactly how much I think, but I lost a fair percentage of listeners, you know, basically type ones who are like, you know, I don't want you talking about type two diabetes on this podcast. And it was like, so you now, you know that that can happen. Like, you get nervous when you're like, Hey, we should talk about nutrition next. And I like, party is like, like, this is what people probably, you know, a lot of people don't know about like, you're talking about it now. Like, who would think if you didn't know, who would think, yes, I'm eating protein, but not enough, or, you know, I'm trying to lose weight and build muscle, I need more calories. I don't think those are common sense things like, all the time. So, yeah, it's like, almost counterintuitive, and people do like, they take,
Megan 31:06
like their food and their food choices, like,
Scott Benner 31:10
like politics and religion. Yeah,
Megan 31:13
it gets super personal sometimes. And I just, I don't know, because if you're making on some level, I feel like they have to know that what they're eating isn't the best or optimal. I don't
Scott Benner 31:26
know. I've talked to a lot of people. Megan, I don't always think that's the case. Like, I take your point like, you think, Well, nobody's having a handful of, like, jelly beans, and being like, this is very healthy for me. But I also don't think that they think, Hey, did you know there's, you know, I don't know, 12 tablespoons of sugar in that soda you're drinking. Like, I don't think that's the thing people know either. I think it can be in the middle a little bit, like, some of it's just, like, you know, a little blissful ignorance, like, I'll just, I won't, you know, I just, I'll ignore this, and it'll be okay, because I love the way Ho Hos taste. I really don't know. Like, I grew up in a world where this was food, it was given to me, and I don't know any different. I used a couple of examples recently, but one of them that I think is just really important is that, you know, I told Jenny, like, you know, when I grew up, there was this giant tub on top of the refrigerator. It had a scoop in it and a powder, and you'd put, like, God knows how many scoops into a gallon of water and, like, just fill it at the sink and shake it up, and you drank that, and it was just, like, pure sugar water. And like, that's what I drank, like, every time I was thirsty, that's what I had. I genuinely did not know that wasn't good for me. So, you know, who knows? Yeah, I can see that too, especially if that's just how it's presented, yeah, how it's always been, yeah. So your note here says it's great. I can't wait to hear what you want to say about this. What do you have to say about Jim bros?
Megan 32:49
Oh, my God, I forgot I wrote that. So, I mean, it depends on the level of like Jim bro. I guess an extreme example would be, there's this guy that goes to my gym. I see him at least three times a week because we seem to go for our workout around the same time, right? And he's like, super intense with his reps and stuff. And he's like, he's like, screaming and like, making all these weird noises, and like, I can hear it over my earbuds, and people are looking at him. And then he's got this, this guy following him around with like, a camera, like an actual camera, not just like a phone. Yeah, he's doing something, right? It's a camera. I mean, I I'm assuming he's probably competing, or has competed in the past, and he's, you know, gearing up for another competition.
Scott Benner 33:49
But like, you think he's just making content, maybe,
Megan 33:54
like, for himself. Somebody's walking around filming him,
Scott Benner 33:57
like, it's like, if he's filming all this and not putting it somewhere. I'm I'm even more worried now,
Megan 34:02
yeah, yeah. Like, what are you doing with it then? But yeah, so there's, there's gym bros like that. There's like, gym bros that. There's another day where I'm, like, I have one more exercise left, and it was the leg curl. And for whatever reason, there were like, three dudes just hovered around this machine. None of them were using it, and then one of them had, like, his shaker bottle on it.
And just like, this is the last
thing I need for my workout. And then I'm done, and you guys are just like, standing there, and I need that machine. Do
Scott Benner 34:38
you like, say something to them? Or do you feel uncomfortable at that moment? I did
Megan 34:43
finally, yeah. Like, are any of you using this? And they're like, oh no. And then they walked over to another machine and hovered around it. And I don't know what they were talking about,
Scott Benner 34:51
but is there a lot of what they call mansplaining going on at the gym?
Megan 34:56
I've seen it before, but not I. Well, I guess there was one time somebody felt the need to come over and tell me how to use the hip thrust machine, and I didn't really appreciate that very much. You
Scott Benner 35:12
think you were being hit on? Maybe?
Megan 35:15
No, that's thing. No, it's not that. So, yeah, the form is, I mean, once you get it, it's it's easy, and it's literally, like, how it sounds, it's a hip thrust. And he's like, I think you should do it like this. And he was, like, hyper extending. I'm like, you don't think he was
Scott Benner 35:32
hitting on you don't think he was just trying to, like, take you out or get a number or something like that, maybe. But you aren't up for that. You already have a three legged cat. You don't need his pets. Yeah, yeah, exactly. You know, are there women that are like that at the gym too? Like, very loud and boisterous? Is it a big gym?
Megan 35:52
It's a local gym. It's not like a chain, and actually they it's not air conditioned. It's kind of like an open air gym. There are a couple of industrial fans strategically placed to kind of keep air moving, okay, but today, it's like upper 80s here, and you know, it's just a couple of fans in there. So I'm kind of not looking forward to you get used to it eventually. But fortunately, the the weather here went from like 70 to like 85 in a day. And I just haven't, like gotten used to the warmer temperatures yet. Yeah, and then trying to work out in that, like it's an adjustment period.
Scott Benner 36:41
Is that them being cheap? Is that a theory about working out like that? You want it to be warmer? I feel like, like, back when Arnold was in his prime, I feel
Megan 36:51
like he was probably working out in a gym without air conditioning. And I think maybe they're just trying to be like old school. The building that the gym is in, it looks like it used to be an old, like, kind of small warehouse. So maybe it's not even, like, you can't even put an HVAC system in there. I I mean, I wouldn't know, but I'm sure it also doesn't bother them to not have an AC Bill, I'm
Scott Benner 37:21
guessing that. So we were talking to your father about about maybe getting a pump. Yeah, but I was wondering, how often do you guys talk? And how often is that talking about diabetes? Like, does he check in with you still, or do you check in with him? Oh,
Megan 37:36
yeah, yeah, I would say that we probably talk at least once a week. I'm definitely a daddy's girl, and I'm pretty sure I'm his favorite child.
Scott Benner 37:44
Well, I'm sure you are, yeah, yeah, yeah. So yeah, we talk regularly and pretty frequently. And have you ever had, I don't know what to call it, pushback about these conversations, like, even when you were younger, you ever have times and you're just like, I don't want to talk about diabetes. About diabetes. Or have you always had that relationship with Him?
Megan 38:06
We've always had that relationship, I think just because, you know, it's a common experience between the both of us. And like, he can't talk to my other siblings about diabetes the way that he can talk to me about it. And same thing, like, they just don't get it
Scott Benner 38:23
enough context, yeah, yeah. And so you guys are, I hate to say diabetes, because that sounds goofy, but like you guys are, like, you have, like, a little, a little club about diabetes, yeah, yeah, to get a secret handshake, that'd be awesome. We should, yeah, I don't know why you haven't thought of that already. I know, do you let other family members who have type one into this group? Like, do you have, like, a group chat where you talk about type one or anything like
Megan 38:46
that? No, my aunt, that's type one. She was misdiagnosed. I as Type Two for, I don't know how long of period of time it was. She just got her diagnosis, I think within the last like five years. So she's relatively new to it. And then my grandma is type two, and she's like 90 pounds and 88 years old. Her a 1c is kind of just sat at like 5.7 Okay, for the last
Scott Benner 39:15
chugging along, doing okay. Yeah, yeah. In your note, you just said resilience. You didn't say anything else about it, right? And I'm wondering, I mean, you thought to put it in here. You have big thoughts about, you know, what this life has taught you, or things you've taken from it?
Megan 39:32
I mean, I think a lot of it, just like I said before, comes from diabetes, like, you know, you you have a choice, you can take care of it or you don't. I think it's just much easier to choose to take care of it. And you know, it's, it's not a cake walk. And that's definitely taught me some things, because life isn't always a cake walk either. You just have to keep going. Going,
Scott Benner 40:00
can you like, think of specific times when it was harder than others and you had to push through? Or has it always been like, because, you know, some people might be like, Well, yeah, our dad has it too, like they have a connection, like she gets support from that. Like, it might be easier for you to say, like, this isn't that bad, yeah. Has there been moments where you're like, I mean, you mentioned college, but have there been other times?
Megan 40:22
Yeah, probably college. And then I was like 24 I happened to be walking around a pool. I stepped on some kind of rock on the bottom of my foot, and it made a little scratch on my heel. I didn't think anything of it, but it ended up getting infected, and I had to be hospitalized for that. That was awful. And obviously that was at the same time the, you know, I wasn't necessarily in the best control with my diabetes, so that that was day 1c
Scott Benner 41:01
time. Yeah, it was okay, yeah. So, just for clarity, for people, you're not saying you have neuropathy and you couldn't feel the cut, it just it didn't heal and it got infected.
Megan 41:09
Yeah, yeah. It like for a long time, it didn't seem like it was getting worse, but it also wasn't healing. And then one day, I just spiked a fever. And you know, my foot was so small and I couldn't see my ankle bones anymore, so I had to be admitted, and I was in the hospital for four days that had to be debrided, and I was on IV antibiotics the entire time I was in the hospital, and then they sent me home with home health, and I had to be on IV antibiotics for the next Four weeks for it to clear
Scott Benner 41:41
up, and you attribute that to the higher blood sugars,
Megan 41:44
yeah, I think the reason it took as long as it did to heal and then the fact that the infection ended up, it was starting to disrupt the tissue, like surrounding my bone, So it got pretty deep.
Scott Benner 42:00
Okay, jeez, that's scary. Oh my gosh.
Megan 42:03
Not that I didn't take it as seriously as I should have, but I just didn't understand the severity until, like, after I was out of the hospital and I was still on tethered to an IV pole at home,
Scott Benner 42:16
did that, you know, quote, unquote, scare you straight? Or did it take more than that?
Megan 42:20
Yeah, yeah, that was a big wake up call. Like, I don't want this to happen again. I don't want to be like, the stereotypical, like, diabetic without a foot or toes, and like, like, I don't want to be that person and like, I'm better than that. Like, I know what I am supposed to do. I know how I'm supposed to do it. I just like, I need to do it. And, you know, basically, grow up.
Scott Benner 42:47
Yeah. Do you have any context, backward looking context, about why a person might just, for years, stop doing the thing they know they're they should be doing?
Megan 42:57
Burnout would be one. But I also think there's probably, like a fear component to it, like, you know, I'm afraid, you know, if I do this, and you know what, if I still fail, or that's a good question, yeah. But I think for me, at least, I feel like it was burnout and probably some immaturity,
Scott Benner 43:22
okay? And then you have the foot thing, and then you say, Oh, I don't want to be like this. And then you just kind of like, it's like everything else in life, like, you get more mature, you get more context. You make different decisions,
Megan 43:33
yeah, yeah, looking, looking back on that, I'm like, Why did I just not go to the doctor when, you know, like, a week after it happened, once I realized it wasn't healing
Scott Benner 43:43
right before you stepped on that stone or whatever you stepped on at the pool. If I would have said to you, hey, the management that you are currently employing for your diabetes is such that if you get a cut on your foot, you're gonna end up in the hospital with a massive infection that almost gets to your bone. Would you have believed that? Or would you have said, No, I'm doing fine. I don't
Megan 44:02
know if I would have believed that at the time, yeah, yeah. Because at the time I felt like, yeah, you know, it's not great, but I'm not it's not 13, it's nine, yeah. So I kind of tried to rationalize it that way, like, Yeah, I know I can do better, but it's not terrible, or I'm not as bad as, you know, some people.
Scott Benner 44:24
It's the rationalization that I always hear in people's stories like this, no matter what, it's sort of like, well, yeah, sure, but it's not like this, or it could have been that, or I should have, you know, I Yeah, sure, I didn't do that, but also I'm okay. And then you get that kind of reinforcement every day, when you wake up and you're not sick, right? You're like, yeah. Like, you know, they say this is bad. My a one sees 10, but I feel fine, yeah, yeah, right. Like, that's maybe they're wrong. Maybe I can live like this. Maybe it's just not something that I'm being forced to look at. Yeah, yeah. Exactly that thing a lady told me just the other day I was interviewing her about, like, you know what forced her to look at? Her care was like, she had a miscarriage, and the doctor just, very clearly was, like, your blood sugar is too high. That's why the baby discard, you know? Yeah, it still doesn't like, it doesn't flip a switch. I have to tell you, the human psychology I'm just like, I'm going to be endlessly enamored with forever and ever. I think, like, you know, like, I put up an episode today, and I just, I found myself thinking, like, I'm gonna go online and tell people about it, because it's so fascinating to listen to this person, you know, talk about how her mom hid her diabetes from the family and then passed away very early, probably because she wasn't taking great care of herself, because she was very focused on nobody knowing, like she literally thought her kids didn't know she had that type one. And then, but, yeah, right, it does seem crazy, right? But then I'm talking to the, you know, the woman who's now an adult, and she didn't think it was that crazy. And then you start picking through her life, and you realize she hides a lot of things from people, and, you know, you're like, Oh, this is, like, a little familial. Maybe it's a little like, you know, just the psyche of the family, or whatever, like, burned in, who knows exactly, I don't know, like, God knows how she got there. But every story she told ended up being a story of how, like, they hide things from each other. And then you can hear her as she's, like, talking through it, going, Oh, yeah. Like, that is another example of that. And I make it just makes me wonder, like, it's months later, is she, like, out there actively trying not to do that, or is it just have such a strong hold on her that it went, you know, it goes right back after you stop talking about it. Yeah. Anyway, that part of the human mind and the experience. I don't know if I'll ever hear an answer, but it's fascinating. To talk about and to wonder about, yeah, well, I think when you
Megan 46:49
you grow up that way, that's what you're surrounded by. That's all you ever know. I think it takes you know, I think stepping away and looking at the way other people, you know, interact, and how they behave, and I think that makes people maybe start to question, like, in what I you know, is my behavior normal, or am I the weird
Scott Benner 47:14
one, like, and it happens to everybody. I mean, if you're listening right now and you're thinking like, oh, Scott's, you know, speaking from like, it doesn't happen to him and his kid or whatever, but it happens. Of course, it does. Like, you know, my kid doesn't listen to me, just like every other kid doesn't listen to every other parent. I hear people say all the time, like, oh, Arden, so lucky you have such a grasp of this blah, blah, blah, you're so willing to help that doesn't change anything. And by the way, the person that wrote me that note, if they were 20 years old and had diabetes, they wouldn't listen either. They'd be like, ah, that guy is my dad. He doesn't know, like, you know, like, that kind of thing. Like, I've given people advice about, like, saying, like, very specifically, like, saying to a kid, like, Look, if you're having trouble right now, you can offload some of that to me. I'd be happy to, like, like, shoulder some of this for a while. Tell me what it you know, what? What of the things that are burdening you right now? Do you think would allow you to reset and get out of this feeling like, if somebody else was handling it for you for a while, and I've told people, like, I would go to my kid and say that, like, say, look, you're struggling with your diabetes right now. That's fine. Like, you know it happens. Let me help a little bit with this piece. Let you reset a little bit. I've said that to Arden recently, like, you know what I mean? Like, is there something here that I can, that I can help you with? She's got a lot going on, you know, and like, you can, like, she's quiet and listens, but she doesn't, like, turn to me, like, it's a, you know, like, a Hallmark movie, and go, Father, thank you for that wonderful offer. That would be great. Here's the thing that I think would help like it's nothing works that way. No, it doesn't. I think one of the most interesting things about diabetes type, one especially, is that it it speeds up your timeline, such that it gives you an in the moment. Look at some of the things that happen in a life without diabetes stretched out over decades, aging, for example, right? Like, or the decline of health, it's an easy one, right? Like, you can get up every day and smoke a cigarette, drink the wrong thing, have the wrong food, not exercise. You could go 2030, years and think, I'm beating this thing. And even if your body starts to decay in certain ways, our minds are set up so that we we ignore that, and we press on, right? We're resilient. We keep going. Then one day, you're 65 and I don't know, you know what I mean, like your kidney falls out of your side, or something like that. And the doctors like, oh, you know, that's because that thing you've been doing for the last 30 years, right? Yeah, but in diabetes, type one really, especially, don't do the thing you're supposed to do, you're going to get a pretty what would in normal life be, a 30 year result. You're going to get that result much more quickly. Yeah, and I think that experience is sprinkled about diabetes in tons of ways, in interpersonal. Ways and psychology, depression, happiness, everything gets sped up a little so that you can kind of see the results sooner than you normally would. Yeah, and I think then it's up to you, the person living that life, to either decide like I'm going to use this as directional and say to myself, Okay, look, I know if I do this, this and this and this, 30 years from now, that thing falls out, but now it's happening a year from now, or six weeks from now, or three months from now, when I get my a 1c again, I'm going to take that information, not feel burdened by it, but feel lucky to have it make adjustments, do the thing, or you're going to be in that situation where you say to yourself, well, you know what? This is unfair, and I give up, like, I think that it sort of goes like, one way or the other sometimes, and then some people give up, but something shocking happens to them, and they're snapped out of it, you know? Yeah, some people just find the rhythm, and they just ride that rhythm right till the end. So I don't know, I don't know why I said all that. That's all I had to say. I'm done. Now, is there anything that you'd like to respond to there, or anything else you'd like to talk about? I mean,
Megan 51:11
I think what you said is pretty accurate. I mean, for me, it was, you know, it was the whole foot thing, like, okay, I can keep doing what I'm doing, and you know, the results are probably going to be similar to this or worse.
Or, you know, I can put in
some effort and get my a 1c to a better place, feel better, be happier, be healthier. And you know, it might not always be the easiest way or the easiest choice, but it seems like it's worth it to at least try, then to just completely give up, and, you know, have a poor quality of life or outlook on life, because I just don't want to do the things that I am supposed to do, right?
Scott Benner 52:03
And those things, by the way, are bringing you benefits in the moment as well. It's not just like you're not just avoiding the 30 year problem. Yeah, you know, you're probably seeing less insulin resistance because you're so active, right? You eat a certain way, so you probably don't see a ton of like, crazy spikes that you're fighting with for six hours that end up with a low at five o'clock in the morning like you probably avoid a lot of that stuff by by living the life this way. Is that right?
Megan 52:27
Definitely had to dial back my basal rate and stuff when I started adding the cardio in, and then, obviously, with the reduction of calories, there's less of a need for insulin just because of that. So there are definitely benefits, and it definitely makes aspects of diabetes easier, just by, you know, coupling it with activity and correct calories for for my body,
Scott Benner 52:55
yeah, do you not work out on the weekends? Or, like you said, five days a week. When do you not work out?
Megan 52:59
I try to do Monday through Friday, like everybody else, I struggle with motivation sometimes. Yesterday I didn't go, so I'll go today through Saturday. I prefer to, like be finished, like Monday through Friday, and then have Saturday and Sunday to do whatever I want. But yeah, no, however, I need to fit in five days. That's what I'm going
Scott Benner 53:23
to do. How many days do you have to miss before you see in your insulin needs that? Oh, I'm getting a benefit out of this activity, and now it's gone and I'm needing more insulin, or I'm having other issues. Is there a gap of time where it starts to turn on you? Or,
Megan 53:37
yeah, actually, that's a good question. It's probably around day three or day four. Like, if I've not gone to the to the gym, not done anything active, including, like walking steady state cardio, like, if I haven't done anything in three or four days, I'll start to see my blood sugars rise.
Scott Benner 54:01
Yeah, the activity is super important, especially Yeah, for this, yeah, no, I agree. I appreciate you coming on and talking about all this. Can I ask you, like, what motivated you to ask to be on the podcast?
Megan 54:12
Well, because I've obviously listened before. I don't think I've listened to every single episode.
Scott Benner 54:18
Why? No, I'm sorry.
Megan 54:21
No, I haven't, but no, I've, I've listened to it consistently, probably for at least the last couple of years. And I just think some of the stories on here are so interesting, and the perspective of other people, and you know, some of their other stuff going on, and how they juggle diabetes and their life experiences. And I don't know, I don't think I'm particularly interesting, but I thought if me sharing my experiences and some of my story could help somebody and they're listening to it, then why not? Oh,
Scott Benner 54:58
that's awesome. I appreciate. Oh, that's i. Some of the best episodes come by. I'm sorry that you don't think you're particularly interesting. Should I call this episode not particularly interesting? You think that'll really grab people's attention?
Megan 55:08
Yeah, you're Jim bros. Well,
Scott Benner 55:12
you know it's funny, like, I'm always entertained by the idea that people are like, I know this isn't good. I actually, I have a note from the other day. I know that. I know our conversation was terrible. You don't, don't feel any pressure to use it. No, that happens like, more frequently than you would think, like, a note comes from somebody, and I'm like, I responded back. I was like, I just said, like, You're being silly. Your episode was awesome. Like, stop it. Yeah, I just, I make the same point over and over again to people. I was like, you listen to this podcast. You've heard stories that really helped you? Do you know those people also thought their story was not interesting and not valuable? Talking about human psychology, like, what is it about people that does not allow them to just believe that their actual story has value?
Megan 55:52
You know, I don't, yeah, interesting. That's a good question. Yeah,
Scott Benner 55:56
I don't know what's wrong with us. Trust Me, I'm Trust Me, I'm lumping myself in with everybody else. It's fascinating to me. Nobody ever jumps off and is like, wow, that was awesome. I can't wait for people to hear that, because I really brought it.
Megan 56:11
Okay, good. I'm glad I'm not the only
Scott Benner 56:13
one. Yeah, no, trust me, this is a pretty common feeling. And I thought you were great. Like, I really think this will help people. And, you know, there's plenty. I mean, especially now while, like I said, talking more about nutrition, you know, Megan, like, if you've listened to enough of the podcast, I think one of the main things that I focus on is that I don't think I'm in charge of how people eat, nor do I think that anything that I or anybody else says is going to like, change somebody's opinion about how they're eating, right? And, you know, just because you grew up with a bucket of sugar water in your refrigerator that somebody told you was juice, you know, like, doesn't mean that 20 years later, if your kid gets type one diabetes, they deserve to have an A, 1c in the 10s, like, so my thought here is everyone listening is going to have more success health wise, if they understand how insulin works. Yeah, that's my base goal. Like, I just want you all to understand what your basal does. You know how to Pre-Bolus? Like, you know what different glycemic loads and impacts. Do you know what to do when you find yourself in the mall and you're like, I'm gonna eat a Cinnabon? Do I think you should be running around eating Cinnabons all the time? I do not. But if you go to the mall and you're like, I'm getting a Cinnabon, first of all, you should know there's like, 160 carbs in that thing. Like, that's not even a thing people would guess. You know. And you should know how to, like, attack it without making yourself super low later, or, you know, giving yourself a 400 blood sugar that you're screwing with for the next six hours. Having a Cinnabon shouldn't put you in that situation.
Megan 57:52
Yeah, it shouldn't ruin your
Scott Benner 57:55
day. And at the same time, like when you start out telling people like, this is how insulin works, apply it to your eating style. I mean, the rest of that is, you know, no lie, ate a little better and thought more about your micro, macro nutrients. And, you know, making sure that you know your your nutrition was, you know, a little more spot on. At least this whole diabetes thing gets a lot easier.
Megan 58:21
Yeah, no, it really, really does. You said Cinnabon, and for whatever reason, it made me think of my 600 pound life. Do you watch that
Scott Benner 58:29
show? I've seen it like once or twice, not a whole, not all the way through, I but I know enough to know what you're talking about.
Megan 58:35
Okay, yeah, oh, it's just crazy. Like, the amount of, just the amount of food that they eat like, it's, it's just crazy. I we binge watched that show me my boyfriend. Well, listen,
Scott Benner 58:47
I can tell you that Jenny and I, right now are making a series called Bolus for where people just sent in different foods they don't know how to Bolus for. And so, like, Jenny and I are, like, doing like, 10 Minute Talk throughs on everything. But we're also, like, you know, we're pretty fresh into it. We've only been doing it for a couple of recordings now. And mainly we're getting through like, cereal, like Cinnabon, which is why it's on my head right now, you know, like, that kind of stuff. Like, eventually we'll get to, like, you know, broccoli and stuff like that. It's really something like, I've never looked to see how many carbs are in a Cinnabon before. Or, you know, like, it's not a thing, like, it's not a thing we've ever run into. I've never thought about it, but I think top of my head, if I'm remembering the recording the other day, was literally, like, 165 carbs and, like, in a stunning amount of a stunning amount of fat, and, yeah, and just, you know, and all and way more salt than you would think,
Megan 59:42
yeah, yeah. Salt isn't everything well.
Scott Benner 59:46
And then Jenny starts talking about, like, look, you know, there's that magic mixture of sugar, salt and fat that just makes your body go like, Oh, my god, yeah, yeah. Because, like, I mean, listen, I bake a lot. You do not need a lot of salt when you're baking. King. But I guess somebody figured out, like, if there's this much fat and this much sugar and this much salt, you're gonna go crazy when you're eating this
Megan 1:00:07
fat, sugar, salt, and, you know, you've seen those, like, I think there were snack wells, I think the green box where it's, like, zero fat, but then they dumped more sugar in it. Or, like, if something has no sugar, it has a bunch of extra fat. Like, you can't take both out. You have to, you know what I mean, yeah, it
Scott Benner 1:00:31
ends up being cardboard. Nobody wants it, yeah, yeah. I bring up all the time around here, there's Italian ice places. And, you know, always a huge sign on the front that says fat free. And I'm like, Yeah, but your body's gonna take that sugar and store it as fat. Exactly, yeah, it's not in there now, but it's gonna end up as fat. Yeah, you know, it's just marketing. And I think the same thing with the, you know, I'm not even picking on Cinnabon, but like, you know, they're trying to make a thing that when you bite into it, you're like, I'm very willing to give you $10 for one more of these, like, you know, like, that's what they're trying to accomplish. So I don't think that we think about food that way. I don't think that we think about like, this is engineered to like, you know, like snooker you into having more, or to feel like, almost like, you know, having an addictive like, responses to it. And so, you know, so we bring it up, and hopefully people will be interested in it, and, you know, not yell at us for telling them how to eat, because I certainly don't. I mean, it's your life. I am a live and let live person to the end of the to the end of time, right? Like, I'm, I'm for your personal freedom. And if your personal freedom runs the gamut, it's not for me to judge, nor do I even have an opinion about it. Like, so like, do whatever you want. But you know, just like with the Bolus thing, I just want you to know what you're like, what the reality of what you're of what you're involved in is, and then after that, you're an adult, you do whatever you want. You know, like, yeah, I don't care. I'm happy for you if it's going well and if it's not going well, and you're looking for something, and then you find it here. I'm happy for you, too. And if you want to eat a Cinnabon every day, and, you know, go down in a blaze of glory. Like,
Megan 1:02:06
yeah, eat your Cinnabon. Eat your Twinkies. Or don't, like, go for you.
Scott Benner 1:02:10
Like, go if that's you, if that's you, that's you. Like, I don't have like, I have no problem in the world with that, you know, listen, it's, um, you know, it's a way online that people make content that's very popular, but they just, you know, they just put you into a different camp, and then get people to fight against you. So they say, you know, somebody's like, you know, I'm a gym person. I work out. Everybody doesn't work out. Doesn't care about themselves and their assholes and blah, blah, you know, like, and what do you get? You get a bunch of people who agree with that, and then, then, now you have an online community, and then you can charge them $20 a month or something, right? Like, and then there's the other people on the other side that are, like, That's bull. Like, I can live any way I want. Like, you know, the right way to eat is vegetarian, but and then they do the same thing, and then they market to you and sell you stuff and like, I know you don't think that's what's happening to you, but trust me, that no one who's talking to you about like keto gives a about keto. They give a shit about building a community that they can make money off of or sell you something or whatnot. So exactly, trust me, I'm not selling you anything. I pay for this podcast the old fashioned way advertising. I get somebody else to pay for this so I can sit here and do this. You all can go do whatever you want, just even if you don't buy anything, just click on the links once in a while. Everything's great. Then, you know, it keeps me It keeps me going, and keeps these conversations happening. Anyway, Megan, any last words?
Megan 1:03:27
For whatever reason I had cereal and protein shake on my mind, I might send you and Jenny in that for the
Scott Benner 1:03:33
Bolus four series. Yeah, send it over like email to me.
Megan 1:03:37
Okay, yeah, because I've said it's such a pain in the ass to dose for I feel like I do the Pre-Bolus correctly, and I know that it's high protein, high carb meal, so that factors in as well. But, like, I just can't seem to get a handle on it. And it's, like, one of my favorite, like,
Scott Benner 1:03:53
breakfast specific, like, down to like, you know, brand names and stuff like that. Okay, and send it over. And I will, I'll add it to the list. I absolutely will just email it to me. Okay, yeah,
Megan 1:04:04
definitely. No. It was awesome talking to you. I was a little bit nervous. It was like talking to a famous person.
Scott Benner 1:04:08
That's ridiculous. Let's, let's stop being silly. Okay,
Megan 1:04:13
it does. It feels like that. It's weird. Yeah. Well, after
Scott Benner 1:04:16
this, I'm going to take Arden to an appointment and then come home and do some laundry while I'm editing and making social media. So I, trust me, I'm not famous. Listen, we all learned how Gene Hackman died recently. He's famous, and I think he got eaten by rats. So, like, you know, like, fame's not, I don't know. I don't think so. I think, I think I'm I think I'm conflating something. Hold on a second. You want to find out real quick. I believe. Hold on a second. Gene Hackman got eaten by rats. No, he got, like, a, first of all, he's 95 I didn't know he was that old. Yeah, like he was. He's one of those guys who's like, 20 years ago, is like, I can't act anymore. And I was like, oh, but you're great. Okay, hold on a second. He. The actor had a biventricular pacemaker. He had Alzheimer's, maybe neurodegenerative features consistent with Alzheimer's. The autopsy, excuse me, autopsy showed severe a throw salistic and hypertensive cardiovascular disease, I think. But it's something weird about how he Oh, a toxicology report found trace amounts of acetone and Hackman system when he died, the solvents used for chemicals also product of a diabetic and fasting induced ketoacidosis. Hold on a second. That's not what I know, because his wife died too at the same time, but she was much younger than him.
Megan 1:05:39
Oh, okay, I remember, I kind of remember hearing about this. Now,
Scott Benner 1:05:43
how did Gene Hackman wife? There's something about like they found,
Megan 1:05:49
like rats were eating them after they died. Yeah, she
Scott Benner 1:05:54
No wait. She died from Hantavirus pulmonary syndrome I got, I'm telling you, this has got something to do with rodents. Yeah. Rodents. I don't know. I feel like we're watching Ratatouille, but, like, a really bad version.
Megan 1:06:07
That's so weird, because I just watched ratatouille last night. Why would you
Scott Benner 1:06:11
not awesome movie. It is so cute. Like, No, trust me, he wasn't well. He had, like, extensive heart disease. He had other things. Why can I not find this all of the dog was dead too.
Megan 1:06:24
Oh, that's so weird.
Scott Benner 1:06:27
Okay, how did his wife get Hantavirus? Hantavirus are primarily carried by rodents. Humans can become infected after exposure to urine, droppings or saliva from an infected rodent. So, so anyway, I don't know if that's what ended up happening, but there's a lot of talk about that, and it just made me think, like they were so they were older, and, you know, there was they obviously had, like, cleanliness issues in the house. And my point is, that's Gene Hackman, and he was famous. He really is famous, and still his life was not that exciting. That's my point. So imagine me and how not exciting my life is. Was my point? If Gene Hackman can have hunt the virus in his house, imagine how crappy my life is. This was my point. Megan, it took me a while to get to it, but that is my point. So I mean, you
Megan 1:07:15
got there, but calling me famous is
Scott Benner 1:07:17
ridiculous, is what I'm saying. Sounds
Megan 1:07:20
like he died from like the plague, is that the same thing like the bubonic plague, is
Scott Benner 1:07:25
that you and I together don't know. I can tell you that much for sure. I just sounds like there was, like they had an infestation of con some kind of their house. And I mean, she it sounds like, who knows exactly what happened? They're all dead. They can't even
Megan 1:07:39
ask the dog. I know, yeah, and then the poor dog too.
Scott Benner 1:07:43
They say a dog. When a dog dies, it takes forever for them to start eating, like a corpse in the house, like, if you die, your dog won't, like, start eating you. But if the dog's trapped, that's good. If you're if the dog's trapped there long enough, it eventually will, but if you die near a cat, they're gonna start eating your eyes out almost immediately.
Megan 1:08:03
Oh yeah, cats are dicks, like, they're like, they're not like dogs like, they're just, they're just whole. Sometimes,
Scott Benner 1:08:10
yours will take a little longer because it'll, I mean, it's gonna have to hobble to you, but that won't take much longer. So, yeah,
Megan 1:08:15
I know he'll have to come over with his three legs. And, yeah,
Scott Benner 1:08:20
all right, hold on a second.
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