#1581 Runnin' Down a Dream
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Adam, diagnosed with T1D at 39, is now a passionate runner and hiker—thanks to his wife, who pushed him off the couch and into the woods.
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Scott Benner 0:00
Hello friends, and welcome back to another episode of The Juicebox podcast.
Adam 0:15
My name is Adam redling, and I'm a type one diabetic that was diagnosed at the age of 39, years old. If
Scott Benner 0:25
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Adam 1:55
My name is Adam redling, and I'm a type one diabetic that was diagnosed at the age of 39 years old.
Scott Benner 2:05
And how old
Adam 2:06
are you now? I am currently. Had to think about that for a second. 42 I will turn 43 this August.
Scott Benner 2:13
You're almost for about three, four years, then going on three. Oh, really. Okay, so kind of
Adam 2:21
Yeah, I was diagnosed a month before I turned 40.
Scott Benner 2:24
I see okay. How about other issues through your life? Have you had any other health issues prior to this?
Adam 2:30
Nothing, autoimmune, no regular stuff. Yeah. I mean, I've always considered myself to be a pretty healthy individual, but as I go back through my chronological health history. After being a diabetic, I realized that I did have quite a few things happen to me throughout my life. I herniated my back twice, which never resulted in like surgery, but was pretty debilitating for quite a fair amount of time. So I've had like health implications, but nothing, nothing
Scott Benner 3:02
related to autoimmune Hey, how do you herniate your back
Adam 3:05
twice by having terrible posture and sitting a lot, crouching over and just doing the same thing bad over and over and over again, and it's literally the straw that broke the camel's back type of situation.
Scott Benner 3:20
No kidding, and you're Joe Camel in this scenario, I am. Yeah, yep. So you herniated a disc,
Adam 3:26
yeah. So I herniated between l4 and l5 okay, caused, the first time it happened, it caused my left leg to go numb, and the second time it happened, it caused my right leg to go numb. So two different times, probably four or five years apart in my 20s,
Scott Benner 3:42
what did they do for it? Did you get treatment, or was it just rest? How did you handle it?
Adam 3:47
PT, so a lot of physical therapy. I got some steroid injections to, like, reduce inflammation, and then just a lot of stretching, just because I was really not active in my 20s, when I was in college, okay? And so I was just really, just terrible flexibility and mobility. And so that led to, I think part of the reason that I actually herniated the disc to begin
Scott Benner 4:11
with. This is going to sound a little Hocus Pocus, but any huge stress things around those times as the
Adam 4:17
first time it happened, it was right after graduation. So I had my first
Scott Benner 4:20
job at that point, that was not a stressful time. No, not,
Adam 4:25
not, not in hindsight, not at all. I loved having my first job. I loved getting out of college and starting to feel like I could breathe in the real world a little bit. I enjoyed that time
Scott Benner 4:36
in my life. I'm just a bit of a believer in John sarno's books about back pain. So I was just wondering if maybe there was a if your brain wasn't trying to distract you a little
Adam 4:47
bit. No, I don't think so. I mean, I remember when I sent my PT report to a friend of mine who was in college at the time, she told me that I had the worst mobility of hand. String that she'd ever seen in a report. So, like, fun, that it was bad, yeah? But that's, I mean, I it's a good transition, right? That that's what got me into running. Yeah?
Scott Benner 5:11
I was gonna say in with you're an active person today, right? Very
Adam 5:15
active. And that started that whole process was I started running as part of my physical therapy after I got back on my feet, and a year to the day of herniating that disc, I was running my first 5k How about that? So that's really what got me to become a runner, and I'm still a really big runner to this day. So
Scott Benner 5:42
you're here today to tell people that running causes type one diabetes.
Adam 5:45
That's exactly right, yes, yes. That's what I think, correlation, not causation. No, of
Scott Benner 5:50
course. Yeah, yeah. Okay, right. Right after college, you begin, you became a runner, went right to a 5k in a year. That's pretty awesome. Like, was that hard to do? Like, from sedentary to a 5k Yes,
Adam 6:02
it was. It felt like such a step change in my physical activity at the time, because, you know, I was, I went to college for four or five years. Like most engineers, I took a five year path. A lot of that was spent sitting and studying, not being active at college, I can remember when I started dating my now wife. At the time, she was into hiking, and she was kind of appalled at how inactive I was, and so we started hiking together in college. That was probably the only physical activity I got. But it was telling to me that, like, I really didn't get out a lot in college,
Scott Benner 6:47
I was busy studying. Did you want to hike, or did you want to see her without her shirt? What was little bit from column A? A little bit from column B, I guess you did want to get moving? Then a little bit No. I mean, it was
Adam 6:57
part of the development of our relationship, right? Was spending time together in the woods and kind of losing ourselves in the woods. And we still do that today, and that's a big part of my life is kind of going and getting into the woods and just being disconnecting. Quite frankly, it's, it sounds cheesy, right? But it's like a huge I find it to be a huge therapeutic exercise for me.
Scott Benner 7:26
I would tell you it sounds cheesy if I didn't, a week and a half ago, tell somebody that during the day, while I'm working, I enjoy turning around, looking into a terrarium, because there's like, plants and dirt in there, and I can't get outside at that moment, but it, it is actually valuable. Yeah, yeah. So actually getting out in the woods is, you know, a different thing, yeah. Do you have kids? I do. I have three kids. Oh, wow. You take them out with you, I imagine, yes, yes, definitely. Do they all enjoy it? Or do you have one that doesn't love it?
Adam 7:58
No, they're all into it. They all love it. Yeah, everything's great, yeah. How old are the kids? 12, nine and six? Oh, was the three year thing on purpose? No, it's CL and right now it's three, but it's closer to two and a half. Three and a half,
Scott Benner 8:13
okay, yeah, your wife's just interested in you on a schedule. It sounds like That's right, yes, about every two and a half years that a bell goes off somewhere and you're like, oh, it's time again.
Adam 8:22
That's it. Spot on.
Scott Benner 8:26
Adam's like, Oh, I see you've been married. So when you're diagnosed at 39 telltale signs or out of nowhere, how did it hit
Adam 8:37
you? I was training, so I was getting ready to turn 40 that year, obviously, and like, like a lot of other people, I kind of felt 40 as a big number for some reason. And so I had been running half marathons for a decade, both on the road and in the woods, on trails. And I think when I was getting ready to turn 40, I said, I'm going to run a marathon this year, because I've never done that before. Okay, and I couldn't find any trail marathons that were available to me, so I skipped over the marathon and started training for a 50k the year that I was turning 40. So I was in the process of training for a 50k that was in October of 2023, when I was diagnosed. So I was, like, mid training to get ready for that. And so, like, I started losing weight, which shouldn't be surprising, right? I'm running 20 miles a week, yeah. So I lose a few pounds, whatever great side benefit. Right in the middle of all this training, our family took a big trip to Italy as part of my mother's 70th birthday, and so I went with my mom and my sister and my whole family to Italy for two weeks and a nothing but pasta, pizza. Pizza, gelato, pastries and wine for two weeks, and didn't really run a lot in Italy. Okay, we walked everywhere, obviously, but, like, I went for like, one run in Venice, and that was it. I see, yeah, we came home. I get on the scale again. I was like, Huh? I lost a couple more pounds. That's interesting,
Scott Benner 10:24
but now I'm not moving, and I ate like crazy, but I still lost weight,
Adam 10:29
yeah? But then you realize, like, you're like, Well, I walked everywhere. Like, you normalize it, right? Like, yeah, I walked everywhere. Those, you know, there's no preservatives in the Italian like, whatever, right? You try to sell stuff, yeah, oh, they've got better portions there, and it's not America, and I'm not gorging myself, right?
Scott Benner 10:46
Stay here for another year. I'd probably disappear.
Adam 10:50
Yeah. And so then I went to I went to Texas for a conference for a week, and I didn't do anything in Texas. I sat there a barbecue all day and didn't go anywhere or walk or run or do anything. And I came back from Texas and I lost more weight. I lost like five more pounds, but I lost like 15 pounds over the course of like two months, a month
Scott Benner 11:15
and a half the Texas trip, make you question it further. Yeah, and
Adam 11:19
there was other things happening in the Texas trip that I was starting to catch, like, I was peeing a lot and I was really thirsty, and I can remember recognizing that that had started to happen at the end of the trip to Italy, that, like, I was up once an hour in the middle of the night to pee, you know,
Scott Benner 11:38
yeah, Does that ring a bell for you. Like, do you know anything about diabetes or
Adam 11:43
no? Nothing, nothing at all. I have no because I don't know anybody with type one. Okay, so we come back from Texas, we go to a pirates game Fourth of July weekend, and I was so tired and so thirsty that it was, it was comical. And we went to the game, and my kids got these, those giant, like, 32 ounce sodas, yeah, and I drank, like, four of them at the game. Like I drank, which is hilarious, in hindsight, the kid out of the lake, yeah. Like, give me your soda, like, just drank. And I remember, like, they were free refills. And, like, before we were leaving, like, I filled one up for the walk back to the car, and my wife was like, What are you doing? I was like, just so good. The new me, yeah, right. And my sister in law was at the game, and she's a nurse, and I started telling her what was going on. I'd also noted my vision. Noticed that my vision had started to get a little bit blurry too, and so, like I knew something was up, right? I didn't feel well. I felt generally unwell. I was peeing a lot. I was losing weight, like I knew something was up. I had already scheduled, like, a well visit, not even a well visit, but like a sick visit for the my GP, but my sister in law was like, I'm pretty sure you have diabetes.
Scott Benner 13:02
Oh, she just hit you right in the parking lot at the stadium. Just,
Adam 13:05
boom, yeah. And I was like, Okay, well, that would be strange, but Okay, right? And I went into my GP, and I'm surprised, in hindsight, that she didn't finger prick me in the appointment. Like, I'm surprised that they don't do that as just, like a general check on something like that, like they did a kestone strip, and I turned it black, but they didn't finger prick me to check my blood. They just took a blood draw. And then I got called the next morning at like, 7am and she was like, okay, so either you're gonna go to the hospital or you're going to start taking insulin like today at home, if I can get an endocrinologist appointment with you. Okay, yeah. So I learned how to inject insulin over telehealth visit, which I think is a pretty I don't know how many people have done that. I was gonna say, did that work? Okay, yeah, it was fine. They showed me how to operate the I was on pens to start Atlantis and Humalog, and I was on pens, and I it was fine. I wasn't squeamish about it. I was totally comfortable doing I see, yeah, gotcha. So, like, my story as, like, a adult onset type one, I feel like is pretty par for the course, to be honest. Yeah,
Scott Benner 14:16
did you feel I mean, obviously they didn't talk to you for very long. They were just teaching you how to. They were teaching you how to kind of get your blood sugar down. But nobody said, hey, maybe we got to make sure you're not. DK, before we start bringing your blood sugar down or anything like that. They just gave you the insulin. Today's episode is brought to you by Omnipod. We talk a lot about ways to lower your a 1c on this podcast, did you know that the Omnipod five was shown to lower a 1c that's right. Omnipod five is a tube, free, automated insulin delivery system, and it was shown to significantly improve a 1c and time and range for people with type one diabetes when they switched from daily injections. My daughter is about to turn 21 years old, and she has been wearing an Omnipod. Pod every day since she was four, it has been a friend to our family, and I think it could be a friend to yours. If you're ready to try Omnipod five for yourself or your family, use my link now to get started. Omnipod.com/juicebox get that free. Omnipod five Starter Kit today. Terms and Conditions apply. Eligibility may vary full Terms and Conditions. Can be found at omnipod.com/juicebox you can manage diabetes confidently with the powerfully simple Dexcom g7 dexcom.com/juicebox the Dexcom g7 is the CGM that my daughter is wearing. The g7 is a simple CGM system that delivers real time glucose numbers to your smartphone or smart watch. The g7 is made for all types of diabetes, type one and type two, but also people experiencing gestational diabetes. The Dexcom g7 can help you spend more time in range, which is proven to lower a 1c The more time you spend in range, the better and healthier you feel. And with the Dexcom clarity app, you can track your glucose trends, and the app will also provide you with a projected a 1c in as little as two weeks. If you're looking for clarity around your diabetes, you're looking for Dexcom, dexcom.com/juicebox, when you use my link, you're supporting the podcast, dexcom.com/juicebox, head over there now, no,
Adam 16:29
nope. And I remember I was talking to her about it, and she said, if you feel like you're dying, you should go to the emergency room, but if you don't, you're fine to stay home. And I was like, Okay, well, I don't feel like I'm dying. I don't feel like I'm well, but like, I'm not, you know, she was asking some pointed questions. Like, are you huffing and puffing when you're going up the stairs, like, all that kind of stuff, right? Are you throwing up? And, like, she was like, if you throw up,
Scott Benner 16:57
go to the ER, like, period. You know, it's great medical care you're getting out there.
Adam 17:01
Yeah? And when I told my sister in law about that, she was horrified. And my my so I what the other sister in law is a doctor. So I have two sister in laws, one's a nurse. I have three. One's a nurse, one's a doctor. When I told them about it, they were checking in on me, like once an hour, yeah? Like, Hey, how's it going? Like they were all over it.
Scott Benner 17:23
I would say Adam, that I don't think a lot of people make an announcement two hours before they die that they're going to die, except for me, I like to walk around going, oh my god, I'm dying. But that's not, that's not the same thing. So, like, it's a weird way to tell somebody about something that they don't know anything about when they're in the situation, like you said you you spike the ketone strip. It sounds like yeah, and then on top of it, they're online, telling you, hey, use the insulin like this. They don't know how much insulin you need. I know, yeah, yeah. I get hindsight probably freaks you out, huh?
Adam 17:52
Sure, not really. Yeah, I'm comfortable with it. I mean, it didn't get me anywhere dangerous. You know, at no point did I go low. I mean, it was concern. And I look back at the numbers I was taking at that point, and they were really conservative.
Scott Benner 18:08
I was gonna say it's not a lot of insulin. And in fairness to them, it did work. How long until you actually see a physician and get some direction? I saw
Adam 18:16
them the next week. I think I got in on like that, Monday or Tuesday the next
Scott Benner 18:22
week, you're not covering carbs or anything like that. You know,
Adam 18:27
I don't remember. It was only a couple years ago. I actually don't remember if I think, I think they just told I think I was just on Lantis and eating low carb for a few days. Okay, I think that's what they did. They said, keep your carbs to like, 15 to 30 grams a meal, and take Lantus. Start checking your blood sugar three, four times a day, start logging that, and then we'll talk next week.
Scott Benner 18:53
No one said to you, your blood sugar could get low. You could become dizzy, disoriented. None of that was information shared. No Do you use the internet or do you just wait for the next week?
Adam 19:03
No, I mean, I'm an engineer. I dive right into the problem head first, right? And I threw my whole I threw everything at it I could right away. And became really well educated on diabetes really quickly.
Scott Benner 19:18
Okay, you didn't even have time then to worry like that, this would get in the way of your activity, or something like that. You figured there was a way around it.
Adam 19:26
Yeah, that's my mantra. Is, can do right? You can figure it out. You can do a lot of things that you might not realize. That's the engineering attitude, right? Is you can, I mean, I say that at work all the time, like when you put a man on the moon, you know, you can figure anything out. Yeah, right. And so this was no different, right? It was like, there's a lot of people that have this disease. There's a lot of resources for people that have this and it was really obvious to me right away that there's people who live their whole lives this way. And it was just another thing to figure out,
Scott Benner 19:57
and you were able to do that with. Information you collected or with your doctor, or a combination,
Adam 20:04
a combination, I felt the diabetes educators at the particular office that I go to were actually they were really good diabetes educators, and were all in on supporting me. I felt really well supported in whatever capacity I needed it. And I quickly just educated myself though by reading and just taking it all in.
Scott Benner 20:25
Gotcha, did you move to pump? Are you still MDI? How do you manage?
Adam 20:29
No. So I was on injections for like, two months, and it was just too difficult to work out with Lantis in my body. You get like, that was that was too hard. Yeah, yeah, lows were, were challenging to navigate. Okay, did you put weight back? No, I didn't. Well I went from, yes, I did. I mean, I put on the 15 pounds I lost through diagnosis. But I've, I've stuck at that number,
Scott Benner 20:55
that number since then, yeah, how have you figured out how to, how to run and, I mean, you're doing it successfully now, and it's part of why you wanted to come on, right? So yeah,
Adam 21:07
and I feel like, in general, that's a gap in that's the gap I always see right, like you go on Facebook pages, whether it's your page or any page, or Reddit or wherever, right? And there's always these new diagnoses or old or older people that have been diagnosed and say, hey, I want to get into running, and I don't know how to do it. I keep going low, right? Like, that seems to be this really common gap that exists, is people not knowing how to navigate exercise. Yeah, right. And I was willing to just go trial and error it and like, I'd go running with, like, one to two units on board, and I would plummet, and I'd be like, Okay, I'm not going to do that again, right? Like, I figured out what doesn't work, yeah. Like, and then you just, like, rinse, repeat on it, right? And you just figure it out. And so I started figuring out, like, really quick, like, Okay, I can't run with Lantis. Like, that just doesn't work. And so I got on a pump I want to so I was diagnosed in July, I was on a pump by September, because when I I ran the 50k in October, I was on the pump. Then
Scott Benner 22:21
that quick, yeah, I was gonna say, because you said you ran that quickly. And I was like, Oh, I wonder if you got low during the run. But no, I is that? No, going to the doctor and just saying, look, I think that the Lantus is why I'm getting low while I'm running. I need to do something about that.
Adam 22:35
No, she was advocating for a pump for me at the same time. Okay. She said, your your lifestyle, who you are, what you want to do, you need, you should be on a pump. And they were even like, we don't know if the insurance will cover it this quickly, but they did, and I jumped right on it and took on I did MDI. Like, if I had to go back to MDI, it would be so uncomfortable, because I did it for such a short amount of
Scott Benner 23:01
time remember how to do it. Yeah. What about a CGM? Did you get a CGM at the prior to the pump, or the same
Adam 23:08
time I did? I was on a libre three for a couple months. I think I finger pricked for like a week before they put me on a CGM. Gotcha. And I was just like, this, sucks. Like this, like, and working out was so hard, right? With finger pricks, right? It's almost like a you have everybody should be on a CGM. Like, it's
Scott Benner 23:30
why was it hard? Just because you didn't know where you were, what direction you were moving when you tried to get active, correct? Yeah, okay. Did you do a deep dive into your family to see if there was other autoimmune in your family, I
Adam 23:41
did. The only example of autoimmune in my family is my fault, and I don't even think this is actually autoimmune. It's not well known, though, something called transverse myelitis, which is an infection in your spinal column that affects the myelins in your nerves. So my dad got that in his 40s or his late 30s, it affected his mobility and some of like his feeling in his hands and feet, but that's the only thing remotely close to autoimmune in my family, okay, all
Scott Benner 24:10
right, and you haven't developed anything since then, no. All right. How about your kids? Are you worried?
Adam 24:17
Yeah, that's on my radar. I've thought about putting them through some of the clinical trials to test for, you know, some of the indicators. I just don't know if I want to have to hold them down for a blood draw.
Scott Benner 24:31
The only they would enjoy that.
Adam 24:33
I don't think that they would now. So what do you
Scott Benner 24:36
do now to go for, I mean, to train for a marathon. Like, like, that's a, I mean, a great example. Like, because people can take your advice, or you know your story, and pare it down to their level of of running. How do you prepare to get up and go for a run? I mean, is it as simple as, like, what we talk about just like, don't run with insulin on board and
Adam 24:55
don't run with insulin on board. Or, very little. How. Have fast acting sugar with you, whatever that looks like for you, Skittles, you know, gummy bears, Gatorade, like whatever fast acting you need be, well hydrated. I found that's to be that's a pretty critical element of it. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I that's what's funny, right? People are always overwhelmed by the idea of working out,
Scott Benner 25:23
and there's not that much to it. It seems like, I mean,
Adam 25:25
you just have to think about it, right? Just be thoughtful. Like, are you running first thing in the morning? That's probably best, right? You don't want to try to run after you've taken insulin for a big lunch or something like that. Even my experience is, even if, like, you're after, like, the quote, unquote, four hour half life on Humalog or some other fast acting you still have it. Like it's still lingering in your body. Like, even if the controller tells you you don't have anything on board, there's still some there. Yeah, you know. And I've had experiences where I've gone low, like, late in the day on a run. And I'm like, Man, that was really strange. But you realize, like, I took insulin for lunch, breakfast, lunch, a snack and dinner. Like, you've been taking it all day, like, big doses, right, you know? And so I found early in the morning as easiest before your day starts.
Scott Benner 26:16
Get up and run. Get up and run. Yeah, yep. I you know, I think you're right that when you see people online always talking about, like, I can't figure this out. It's, you know, I'm exercising, or my kids go into soccer, or whatever it is, it's always, when you really look at the clock, it's, they came home from school, ate a bunch of food Bolus and went right to soccer practice. Yeah, you know. Or, you know, I got done work, and, you know, I tried to go, I tried to run after work or something like that. Yep. I don't mean to oversimplify it, because there are extenuating circumstances. And I'm not certainly saying that it's as simple as you just laid it out, but it's a very good starting place. Don't run with insulin on board. Don't run with active insulin for a meal. Your insulin on board might look like there's nothing there. But if you Bolus two hours ago for a meal and covered it perfectly, you know, your your pump might say, Look, no, there's no insulin on board, because it all got used for that food, but it's still insulin. It's in you and active, yep, when you start moving, whatever you're gonna do, and then you're gonna drop,
Adam 27:18
yeah. And I think there's even an element of, like, I wonder if there's some physical hold up. If you've taken a big Bolus, it's like, like, they talk about tunneling, right? Like, I think there's some element to that too. Like, you moving around and sweating and being active. It distributes it that maybe it, like, never got used in the first place. And like, I like, I'm totally speculating here, but like, I've seen, I've I feel like I've actually experienced that on the back end.
Scott Benner 27:47
So is that why you brought up hydration? Because you want to make sure that the insulin is being used as you expect it to be used.
Adam 27:52
Yeah. And also, like, if you are, like, I've had experiences where I've been so, like, when you do a really long run, like, when I'm doing these ultra marathons, you need to eat the whole time, right? So, like, you're eating calories and carbohydrates the entire race. And so I've had experiences like, where, when I'm doing that, I'll want, like, my pump will just be put my pump in exercise mode, for example, and I won't, I won't take any Bolus for the food I'm eating, so I'll eat like, 70 carbs an hour, and I won't take any Bolus for it at all, yeah, and I'll just let the basal keep up, like the basal is able to keep up with the
Scott Benner 28:31
carbs, if that makes sense, you get some spike, but it's just not big.
Adam 28:36
Well, you, if you're not hydrated, it can be a big spike, okay, right? But quite frankly, like on race day, I'll be flat. I will be flat as can be. In fact, there's situations where I'll turn my pump off completely during a race and still eat 70 carbs an hour and not go and not go high, like for like the for that first 50k i i ran with the pump off for an hour. That was a seven hour race. I turned the pump off for six hours straight and ate carbohydrates the entire time.
Scott Benner 29:09
And your blood sugar stay down.
Adam 29:10
My blood sugar was flat. Okay, yeah, but it's like paying attention to those types of things, right? Like, yeah, oh, wait, I went high when I don't normally go high. Oh, wait, I was dehydrated, right? So the little bit of basal insulin couldn't get distributed, couldn't get utilized properly, and so the food I was eating was causing me to go hot.
Scott Benner 29:32
And this is not an automated system that you're on. I'm on automated, yeah, and what did you say? You took the pump off for the six hours, turned it off. Turned it off. Okay, so Omnipod, yeah, so the automation wasn't trying to give you insulin during that time. Wait, you put it in manual.
Adam 29:48
I'll put it Yeah, because that's the only that's the only way you can turn it off,
Scott Benner 29:52
right? And then what do you do? Do you go to like a zero temp basal? Or you just put the basal where you like it for the run? If
Adam 29:57
I'm going to keep the pump on, I'm. I'll go into exercise mode in auto. If I want to turn insulin off, I'll just go into manual and just say, pause insulin. Completely. Pause it completely. Okay, yep, which you can only do for two hours at
Scott Benner 30:12
a time. And so you're just, you're very actively paying attention to the, I mean, you're using the thing that you're using, the Eminem story from the Pro Tip series, like, right? Like I did. I tried a little more, a little less, a little longer, a little shorter, until it made sense, and it worked. And then I said, Okay, that's, yep, that's my timing, that's my amount, and you just figure that out for running.
Adam 30:31
That's right. And there's no, like, set it and forget it, right? Like, you've got to be comfortable in like, if you're going to figure out how to do it, you've got to fall flat on your face at some point. I
Scott Benner 30:43
do wonder, I kind of heard what you were saying under your breath there for a second. Like, I do wonder, how many people just go like, I don't know. The machine didn't do the thing it was supposed to do. It's supposed to keep me from getting too high or too low. And then I suddenly went from being very inactive to very active. My blood sugar got low. It didn't work like that. It's never going to work that way. You really do have
Adam 31:02
no it doesn't. You have to own it like you have to own it, and you have to be willing to fall flat on your face, make mistakes and reflect on like, I loved something you said I was listening to the one yesterday. It was the burnout episode that you just reposted. And you said something about, don't ever ignore a learning experience, right? Like, that was the quote I wrote down, because it's
Scott Benner 31:27
wasted time,
Adam 31:28
right? That's it, though. Like, don't ignore those learning experiences, right? And everybody's answer is going to be a little bit different, but you gotta. You're gonna have to figure it out on your own. The pump can't figure it out for you. It can get you close, but
Scott Benner 31:41
it's a tool, right? I have to say that. I know everybody's like, Oh, this stuff's gonna get better and better, and I do believe it'll get better and better, but as it sits right now, I can't imagine a world where nothing ever goes wrong because your algorithm took care of it. There's too many variables. You know what I mean, like you just being alive, just it offers too many opportunities for whatever that algorithm is expecting or or planning on for it not to happen. I
Adam 32:06
agree, and the more I see it like, yeah, sure, the technology can improve, but you have to still, diabetes is yours, like, you have to use these different tools at your disposal to manage it. Yeah, some something else doesn't manage it for you.
Scott Benner 32:21
Yeah, overnight sleeping, pretty awesome. Like, you know what I mean. But then really, imagine why that is. Like, even, even people who are on, like, automated systems who are like, I don't trust the automation, but I do turn it on at night when I sleep right? Like, what's at night? Nothing, no variables. That algorithm like your setting. If your settings are good, the algorithm does what it does. Nothing changes too much. Now I'm not talking about like you're growing children or something like that, but for people who are like not growing overnight or something like that, it made it so rock solid. Overnight. Agreed? Yep, I agree again. Look at why. Because you're not active. Your activity is not changing one way or the other. You're not eating. You're not you know, hopefully you're not digesting food still at two in the morning, you know, like that kind of stuff. So, yeah,
Adam 33:04
yep, you're exactly right, yeah. So I don't know that's what I've done to figure out running. And I mean, I've run several ultra marathons since then, and I have another one on Saturday, so it hasn't held me back. I will share a failure story for running. I was in a 50k and we got rained on, and my whole body got really cold. I had never experienced this before, but the monitor went and read all low, which was the first time I'd ever seen that cap stocks all low. And I was about 10 miles into the run, and, you know, I ate a handful of Skittles, right? Just like ate a ton of sugar out of paranoia. I didn't feel low. But we happened to be getting back to the car at mile 10 of this race, and so I was like, All right, I'll check my fingers, right? I'll do a finger prick at the car, like, I know I've got that stuff there. And my hands were so cold I couldn't get any blood on my fingertips right, because we had been rained on, and it was cold out, the sensor went and told me, like, pour whatever the Dexcom says when it stops working properly, right? Come back three hours. Like, I'm on break or whatever it says out the lunch, yeah, to lunch. Like, come back later. And so I was like, All right, I'll put another one on. We'll keep walking, and I'll wait for the two hour warm up. Like, I'll be good. Like, I went to put the other backup that I had on, and it just like, fell right off because I was all sweaty and gross. And I just, like, looked at my buddy, I was like, it's not gonna happen today.
Scott Benner 34:36
Like, I'm done. You're running. I'm not. I'm going home,
Adam 34:39
right? Like, I'll be waiting for you at the finish line, right, and I'm gonna go hang out. And so now, when I do races, I actually wear two CGM at the same time, so that if one fails, I'm not in the woods blind
Scott Benner 34:52
when the race ends. Like, do you have it timed so well that you you switch to the newer one then, like, it's not like, a. 10, like a 10 day waste. You know what I mean? Like, you don't go running on the first day of a sensor and put another one on, right? You kind of time it out a little
Adam 35:08
bit. Yeah? But right in the SIR, for example, though, right now I have a g6 and a libre three on at the same time. Oh,
Scott Benner 35:14
I see, okay, yeah, it's, right, that's, yeah, I was thinking of it as the g7 because that's what Arden is wearing right now.
Adam 35:21
No, because g7 doesn't have iPhone integration
Scott Benner 35:26
yet, and you like that straight to iPhone. Oh, yeah, you're not looking to carry the transmitter
Adam 35:31
around. No, I'm not into having two phones. You know,
Scott Benner 35:34
I understand. How have you integrated, if at all, your wife into your life with diabetes, because you're together for a while now, and then this big change comes. I'm wondering, Is she involved? Does she understand it? Have you kept her at arm's length? Has she, you know, said, No, I won't understand her. I don't care. It's yours. How does that all work out?
Adam 35:54
She's super engaged in supporting me with diabetes, and always has been, and she's become really well educated herself in what it all means. She follows me. She'll send me a message when I'm on a run, like, eat sugar, right? Like she'll see my trend going low. She's very well engaged and understands the challenges of diabetes, right, without a doubt, and has been like a rock star in the background.
Scott Benner 36:21
That's excellent. That's, you didn't have to ask her at all. No, absolutely not. Yep. Okay,
Adam 36:28
no, that's the relationship that we have, right? Is, it's just, it's a supporting one.
Scott Benner 36:33
Okay, yeah. Can you give me a half a second here? Rob has an editing question about an episode that I have to get back today? Yeah. Do you want your intro for Noah Gray, where you say tight end for the Kansas City Chiefs Noah gray to go right into the bowl beginnings, head and Yeah, hold on a second.
I liked it when I did it. If you tell me to move it. I'll defer you. Look at me. Look at me being collaborative. You know, it's funny. It's crazy that he just texted me about this, because I was going to bring this guy up to you. I was going to say to you, hey, tomorrow, I have an episode coming out with Noah grace, the tight end of the Kansas City Chiefs. Oh, nice. And what I wanted to tell you was that, how many people asked me to ask him about, like, you know, you're playing football, like, at the highest level. You're this giant person. You're running around. How does he manage it? Everybody wanted to know like, like, get his secrets. His secrets were he eats the same thing at a at the exact same time, before the game starts, every time, gives himself the exact same amount of insulin. Yeah, yeah. His secret is, he takes away the variables
Adam 37:49
that, I mean, that's one strategy, right? Is, if you don't want to be super flexible, you can find ways to be more rigid.
Scott Benner 37:57
Yeah, you know, once a week for 16 or 18, I guess you hope for it to be a few more weeks, you know. He does it for, you know, four months or so, and then he goes back and lives his life a different way. The interesting thing to me was all the people at type one reaching out, because I was able to say, like, Hey, I'm going to be interviewing. No, if you have any questions, like, you know, can you put them up? Everybody thinks he knows something they don't know.
Adam 38:18
But I think so. Here's, this is a bit of a pet peeve for me. Noah gray and any other professional athlete or collegiate athlete has resources at his disposal that none of us could ever dream to have.
Scott Benner 38:33
Well, when you hear it, though he's not using any of them, that's fair,
Adam 38:37
yeah. But a lot of these people, a lot of these, that's fine, and I'll listen with open arms right when he has his episode. But my experience is, a lot of these professional athletes or collegiate athletes, they have nutritionists that are monitoring their blood sugar during a game, or they're monitoring their diet, and they've got those resources at their disposal. And I think that may be intimidating to people to hear, right? Well, I don't have that, so I can't do
Scott Benner 39:05
that, so I guess the success isn't mine to have then, yeah, I take your point. It has been my experience when I've spoken to people. I don't know if I've ever said this on the podcast before, but why don't we just go for it? It's been 11 years now. I can pretty much do whatever I want at this point. Adam, I've interviewed a lot of people who are very active or professional athletes or something, whose knowledge of their diabetes. I've been shocked by they don't seem to understand it. To your point, like, I don't know. So their lack of knowledge, their lack of knowledge, stuns me sometimes, yeah, the guy tells me, or, you know, there's somebody tracking me while I play. Or, I don't really know, like, there's just been a lot of like, like, don't get me wrong, like, older guys or girls, like, I get like, you know, I use SAM as an example a lot, who's, you know, used to be a center fielder in the Major League Baseball, and he said this thing that I think I'll never forget, if I was chewing seeds in center field. Old, my blood sugar was okay, and if I was chewing gum, I was low. And, like, that was how he was met. Now, he didn't have a sensor, he didn't have, like, he just felt dizzy and threw gum in his mouth. You know what I mean? Like, crazy, right? Yeah, that, yeah, yeah. But nowadays, like, you know, with all this technology, if I ask you how you manage your meal before you play, and you go, I don't know. I'm like, Really, that's
Adam 40:23
crazy. There's a nutritionist that does that for me. It might
Scott Benner 40:27
be somebody who does the thing now, Noah was pretty cool. Knows, like, look, he did some trial and error. He figured out what worked for him, and he does it now. And great, yeah, now takes his pump off. He wears a tandem pump. He doesn't wear it while he's playing. Told me sometimes he'll pop it back on at halftime if he needs the Bolus. And he was really honest about, like, the thing he's got set up works great for four quarters of football, but that he can run into some issues if a game goes into overtime.
Adam 40:54
Ritz, that tight. Yeah. Wow, that's surprising,
Scott Benner 40:57
yeah. So I think what he's got it worked out so that when that game ends. He needs to get something accomplished, yeah? And I won't give it all away. You guys should go listen to it, because he was really, actually, really good on the show anyway.
Adam 41:09
That's great, yeah? But I think, you know, you see the Dexcom warriors, and you see people going and speaking at conferences and various functions, and they've got that kind of a story to tell, right? Of, well, I don't know if I, if I want to go talk to a nutritionist. They're at my disposal, you know, or they, or they do it for me. To your point, I think that can be intimidating to people exactly like, exactly what you said earlier, right? Yeah. I feel like I'm a pretty average person when it comes to athletic ability, and I've been able to figure it out, yeah, and I feel like anybody can figure it
Scott Benner 41:45
out. You're saying, If I can do this, you can do it too. I Yes, yeah, absolutely. I prefer the stories of, like, I don't know if you ever heard Chris. Chris Dudley was on one time. He's an, you know, by this time in his life, he's an older man, but he played the NBA and with type one, you know, long before any of this was going on, and he just said, like, I couldn't get dizzy. He's like, I'd lose my job. Yeah, that was that. There's nobody protecting him. There was no, you know, there's no ADA standing up for this guy. Like he, you know, I had to do what I had to do, and I had to bounce the damn ball and get the rebounds. And if I didn't do it, I was out of there, yeah? And I was like, I guess that'll get you moving, right?
Adam 42:23
Today is just different, though, right? Like the metrics and studying athletes is just totally different. Makes you
Scott Benner 42:30
feel like there's too many people, like, if, if that stuff's become a job, we ran out of jobs people needed to do, unless you're listening and you do that, and then I think you're a very valuable part of society. Never mind. But, you know, like, Listen, my kid had a job getting out of college. It was not a thing that needed to be done. You know what? I mean, it's a real it was a real, real job.
Adam 42:51
I mean, I think they're just trying to unlock every ounce of potential, athletic potential, out of people,
Scott Benner 42:57
yeah, in general. Well, may I, if I can for a second, since you went to a pirates game in our story here, I will tell you that I think that doing that is somewhat hurting baseball, because instead of baseball, players playing baseball, giant men are playing baseball. It's not always the same thing.
Adam 43:20
It's turning into analytics too, right? And there's a little argument. I'm not a huge analytics nut, but I know that it's changing the game for certain.
Scott Benner 43:29
I don't want to see a six, seven guy running into the corner in right field for the ball, because his brain is saying I shouldn't be doing this. This isn't me, but he can hit a ball a lot farther when he hits it, so we put up with his terrible defense so that he can bat. And then I think you take away a little bit of the athleticism, it's just gonna make sense to people who don't watch or play baseball, but like, there are baseball players and there are athletes, and there are athletes who are baseball players, but there are also athletes who aren't baseball players, and you can see it while they're doing it. Yeah, you know,
Adam 44:01
that's also like, putting in 10 foot person playing in the NBA, right? This person, it's
Scott Benner 44:08
so awkward, yeah, a six seven guy shouldn't be playing third base. I don't give it how well he hits. You know, you know, they talk about the smell test, you know what I mean, like, or the eye tests. It depends on how you think of it. But like, sometimes they don't pass the eye test. Yeah, and I think that's kind of important too, yes. So anyway, I'd rather have a guy that can play with defense and maybe hits 30 points lower, a fully rounded player. Yeah, I think it makes the game more interesting. Yeah, it takes the roboticness out of it too, because nobody plays with just the freedom that comes with letting your body do what it knows how to do. I almost feel like I can see them all going through the steps in their head while they're doing something anyway.
Adam 44:47
What I mean by that? Course, I shouldn't be a runner because I'm short and I got these little stubby legs.
Scott Benner 44:52
Adam, this is for fun. I don't I'm not paying to watch you on television, so it's okay. That's fair. I don't care what you do. You understand? I.
Adam 45:00
Yeah, you're right. I'm not. I'm also not getting paid, believe it or not, millions of dollars to run.
Scott Benner 45:04
No one's paying you to go for a run. Your wife doesn't even give you 20 to get out of the house. It's
Adam 45:09
the other way around. Actually, I'm paying them to let me do it. So, yeah, it's,
Scott Benner 45:14
it's the other way around before we keep going. Can I pick your brain on a topic that's out and you know the dude at the pirates game, who jumped up the cheer but ended up jumping out of the stands. Yeah. Is he okay? Like, is that local news?
Adam 45:28
I think he's awake and walking.
Scott Benner 45:31
Oh, my God, if you didn't see that, he's in the outfield, maybe, like, right center field, maybe. And it's on the Clemente wall, 21 feet 21 feet tall, 21 feet off the ground. He leaps up with his hands on the railing to celebrate. He looks like he's just jumping up to celebrate. But instead of jumping straight up, he jumps forward a little bit, and then his body kind of intersects the bar, and he loses his balance and just flips right over onto the field. It's horrifying,
Adam 46:01
yeah, it's bad. It's a miracle you survived that. Oh my god.
Scott Benner 46:04
Like, no kidding, yeah, just horrifying. Like, really, I blame Pittsburgh, but I just, you know, I had to spend some time in Pittsburgh this last year. I
Adam 46:15
didn't mind it. I mean, I love Pittsburgh. I've lived here for 20 Oh, God, 24 years and I grew up in Philadelphia. I grew up in the suburbs, did you and no, sorry, Scott, I didn't look back, though.
Scott Benner 46:31
Wait, you grew up where I grew up. Yeah, what got you to Pittsburgh, college? Okay, oh, you went to Pitt. I went to Pitt. I'm a pit guy through for a semester, just long, huh? Yeah, she came right home. But it had nothing to do with Pitt. Actually, okay. She liked the place. She liked everything about it, just that, after switching colleges, she was so far behind in age with everybody else, because she went from kind of a technical college to college that she's like, I'm going to class. People are sometimes, like, almost two years younger than me, a year and a half younger than me. I'm not making friends, and then I'm going back to this tiny little room, and I'm trapped in this box by myself. Oh, I'm sorry to hear that. That was her experience. Yeah, she was going out and trying to do things and everything. It wasn't the place she did. Tend to hate the cold as it got colder, but she's like, I think I just want to come home so she's she's commuting from home now and doing really
Adam 47:22
well. Okay, yeah, I love Pittsburgh. It's a great city. I did
Scott Benner 47:26
not dislike it at all. There's that little park in the middle, and there was a restaurant with, like, glass around it that looked into the park. I had a nice little pizza in there one time. That was nice. I know exactly where you are, okay, all right, yeah, that was good. I know that exact restaurant and the exact Park, yeah, well, we went into the city. I would have seen a pirates game eventually, had she stayed a little longer. Well, it's never too late. It's only a few hours. I know how to get there. Don't worry. I got really lucky on the way home from Pittsburgh one night. So for people who have been listening for a while, like Arden having some needle phobia, that we were having trouble getting, you know, getting worked out, and it's getting better. We're trying something right now that I want to say in case it doesn't work, but if it works, I'll share it with you guys. I was getting up every Sunday morning and driving to Pittsburgh to give Arden a GLP shot and then drive home again. Wow. So I was doing, like, it was, like, an 1112, hour day on Sunday, slow, yeah. So I did that for a few weeks in a row, and one night, I was coming home, was behind this tractor trailer, and it was, you know, it was pretty slow. And I just thought, like, I'm gonna go around the tractor trailer. There were three lanes. I don't remember where I was at this point on the highway. I think after the tunnels coming back this way. Truck trailers in the right. There's car on the left. I'm in the right behind the tractor trailer. I'm gonna go around it on the right. I don't know if you're not supposed to pass on the right or something. I don't know exactly what the law is. I don't pay a lot of attention. But I get over I speed up. I'm overtaking the tractor trailer as I'm overtaking it. I realize my lane is ending because of construction, so my lane is being pinched off very quickly. I look in my rear view mirror to drop back. I cannot drop back. Everything's pinched in behind me at this point. I've got to accelerate and overtake the tractor trailer, and I do that, but I have to really accelerate to make that happen. So as I'm probably cresting 90 miles an hour, and I get in front of the tractor trailer, I stay on it for another second because I don't want to cut the guy off and just jump on my brake right like so I want to clear him so I'm not a problem for him. And as I'm clearing him, there is just a cop, a state trooper, on the right side, beautiful. It's a construction zone. I'm probably going over 90 miles an hour. I accelerated through when I saw that, it was because I didn't want to, like, I didn't want to mess the truck up. Like, at that point, I was like, Oh, I'm getting pulled over. I'm not going to also cut off this tractor trailer, right? Anyway, I know, however, it's, I hope I'm doing a good job. I was not being
Adam 49:53
unsafe. For anyone who's ever driven the Turnpike, they can visualize exactly what you're describing. Also,
Scott Benner 49:58
90 miles an hour is like a walk. In the park on the turnpike. That's right, yeah, that's right. I just start looking for a place to pull over, because I'm like, there's definitely going to be lights on behind me in a second, right? So I find a place I pull over. Trooper comes in behind me, and I look at him, and I go, Listen, I'm going to tell you what happened. You can do whatever you want, but I'm not going to lie to you. And so I told him that story, and he goes, You just trying to get home. And I said, Man, I've been driving from where I live to Pittsburgh to give my daughter an injection that she's having trouble giving herself. And then back again. And he goes, say it again. So I told I explained it to him, and he goes, I gotta write you something, but don't worry about it. And I was like, okay, and he came back and gave me some like, ticket that didn't have any points or it wasn't even a moving violation. I was like, Man, I really appreciate it. And he's like, ah, Get home safe. And that was it. He was
Adam 50:50
probably so confused by what you were doing. Like, you need to repeat that exact statement back to me, because it didn't make any sense. I think when
Scott Benner 50:57
I repeated it back to him, he was like, I've never spent 12 hours in total on my children. So, like, that was very nice to you. I was, and it was during the Eagles Super Bowl run. So I was, like, watching games later instead of watching them live, which was a big deal. I know that seems no, I get it. Yeah, I was really upset by that part. Yeah. And I'd act like I wasn't, like, Arden's like, Are you sure I'm like, how it's no problem at all. Yeah, it's not a big deal. They're just gonna win the Super Bowl this year. They look
Adam 51:24
amazing. Drive 12 hours and then spend enough the rest of the night up watching the game from earlier today.
Scott Benner 51:29
And it was sometimes like, I'd get there, we'd go through the rigmarole of giving her the shot, we'd have lunch, and I'd leave. Yeah, that's brutal, man. It was, it was something. So, yeah, that's brutal. Anyway. That is not why she came home, but I was happy when she came home for that reason, absolutely so. Anyway, my point is, I do know how to get to Pittsburgh if I have to get there. So what are we not covering? Anything that you want to talk about that we haven't,
Adam 51:56
you know? I we talked about gaps, right? And I think I talked a little bit about, you know, the gap of how to on exercise, I think there's, and you touch on this all the time, right? But there's gaps for new diagnosis and resources for new diagnosis. You know, the process of being diagnosed as a really traumatic experience, and people who haven't gone through trauma in their lives, aren't prepared for what's about to happen. And you can see people that you meet who are new diagnoses, that they're walking around like zombies, in some respect, because they don't even it's so overwhelming, right? And they don't even know how to start, and I feel like there should be better resources available to the people who are diagnosed, to re, you know, almost like to have like an advocate, right? Like to have somebody in the practice that's not like a diabetes educator, right? Like some other diabetic, they can be like, You know what Adam is going to be, your big brother, right? Or Arden is going to be your big sister, right? And they're going to help you navigate some of the intricacies of this. Okay? And, you know, it's just, it's fascinating to me that there's not a better network or new diagnosis, and I get it like, there's HIPAA stuff, and like, I've, I get all that, but at the end of the day, there's so many different organizations that are stood up on this non profits, your group, your organization, whatever you want to call it, at this point, like, I feel like that's a gap, yeah, is getting resources to people who are newly diagnosed, and having somebody there to help,
Scott Benner 53:40
probably this might lead me to a tiny bit of a tangent, but this is gonna put me on a timetable if I tell you this so but I'm willing to do it now. I agree with you so much so that I've been, I mean, for years now, trying to figure out a way, like when I came to the realization that most of the answers to your questions are in the conversations in the podcast. But how do you get them to people like and you see it right now. You know, on Facebook, like people ask questions, and they are often answered by group experts who are like, you should try this episode of the podcast, but that's still a very you know, like some of those group experts have their favorite episodes or they don't remember that this is brought up in three other episodes, or maybe spoken about differently one place than the other, but there's still. It's a wonderful thing they're doing, and it's trying to help people. But I keep thinking to myself, like, listen, we can't ask everybody to listen straight through to a podcast with 1000 episodes. Do I think that would help them? I do. Did I interview a 29 year old guy yesterday who will be on a, I don't know if it's going to be an after dark, but diabetes as a kid completely ignores it. Ends up in prison for a while. You know, the only thing that really gets him on the straight and narrow is like, is being in prison, gets out, finds the podcast. You know, a 1c, low sixes. I said, How did you. What he goes, I'm just listening straight through. I'm just learning as I go, right? And I'm like, okay, like, this is proof of concept for me 1000 times over. Like, I don't know how many times somebody has to say something to this to me before I believe them, right? I believe them. This the podcast helps them, but everybody's not going to listen to it. What else do I do? I spent some money that I didn't, kind of have, and I opened up a group on circle. So circles like a platform that you might think of as like Facebook esque, but it's it's much better than Facebook, right? It's a great place to put a private group where people can hang out, but it's expensive, and the way most people pay for those groups is to charge people money to be in the group. I very much don't want to do that, if I if I can help it, and if it has to be like, I want it to be like a very, you know what I mean, like $10 a year or something simple to cover the cost of it. And I had to spend $5,000 just to make sure it was a thing that, you know, would actually work. And you know, could do what I expected it to do. I didn't have that money. I spent that money, and I've been setting it up in the background, and they just came up with the next piece that I knew was where I needed this to go, right? So now, in everybody's group, if you pay for it, there's basically an AI agent in there that is trained only on the information you give it. So I have been in my spare time feeding it the podcast got it, yep. And now you can go to a to a prompt and ask it some pretty complex questions and get back some very clear but thorough answers. That's cool, yeah. And so because that thing that you're saying should exist, you're not the first person to think that. And somebody thought that five years ago and 10 years ago and 20 years ago, and still, what exists is what exists, right? Like, no matter what you do, the human component lets you down at some point, like, somebody comes out, got a shot out of a cannon. Like, I want to help. I'm going to get on the phone with people and be a big brother and blah, blah, blah, and you do that five or six times you go, ain't got time for that. Yep, life gets in the way. Exactly right. So we need something that isn't going to get tired of answering simple questions that people have now, what's the rest of this? Is like, I've got to be able to say to people like, this is not medical advice. This is the component of why you don't see people doing stuff like this. Yeah, yeah. Nobody wants to put themselves
Adam 57:27
out. Yeah. I get it. Yeah. I totally get that. I do
Scott Benner 57:31
too, by the way, but I believe in the gap that you're talking about. And I know, and I think the other
Adam 57:36
thing Scott is it's not just that the gap exists, it's that not everybody consumes information the same way, right? And so not everybody can consume information and understand it in audio. Yeah, right. They need to read
Scott Benner 57:51
it. I believe that some people are readers, some people are listeners, some people are visual. I think I just said it on the podcast, like in an episode you'll hear this week, but I employed a girl to in sign language, do the entire bowl beginning series on video. And I said, if you hear me say it at some point like I'm not doing it, just so that, you know, deaf and hard of hearing people have it, I'm doing it because it'll have a visual aspect to it. So maybe the people who could listen, but need something to look at while they're doing it. Like, I'm like, maybe that would get them to look Sure.
Adam 58:27
I mean, and I think, like, there's so many times I've listened to the podcast, obviously, like in my car right driving home or driving to work, and I'm like, Wait, what did they just say? What was that? What were those numbers like? Going to try to write that down right now I'm going 70 miles an hour. It's just like those, like earmarking a page somewhere, like having a resource like that to go back to to get that information. I think that's like, critical.
Scott Benner 58:50
Well, what I'm saying is is like, imagine if you could go into a private group and you could talk to people if you wanted to. You could start a post up and say, Hey, I was listening to this and this happened. Or you could just go to like, that chat bot and say, you know, in this episode, I think I heard something about this, like, can you find it for me? Yeah, I got it. Yeah, that's a really That's powerful. It's going to be awesome. And that's really cool. And I can't say who, because they're not doing it for this reason, but one of the companies I do business with gave me the $5,000 to cover it. That's awesome. I wish I could tell you who they were, because it's not even, like, it's not a branding thing, like, they're not, they're not going to get anything out of it. They're just supporting a thing I'm trying to do
Adam 59:30
that's great. Yeah, I think that's wonderful, because that's the, that's the spirit of it, right? Is it's, I think it's trying, I mean, and you've been doing this with all that in mind, right? It's it's to be in service of others. It's to help others that are in need.
Scott Benner 59:44
I just really think it, it's the only thing that makes sense, if it ends up costing something for people like, you know, if I can't talk the money out of somebody again next year, or something like that, and it has to keep going. Or, you know, the truth is, if the podcast comes to an end at some point. But this thing is still very, very. Valuable. I might have to charge a little bit of money off off of it, just so I can, like, afford the time to spend on it, you know. But for now, you know, I make enough off the podcast that, like, making this website too is not, it's not a drain on me, and I'm paying my bills, and my wife doesn't think I'm a, you know, a lay about. I'll figure it out as I go. Like, I can't promise you that if you're listening to this five years from now, years from now, the thing doesn't cost 20 bucks a year or something like that.
Adam 1:00:25
But at that, I mean, that's a reasonable barrier to entry, though, right?
Scott Benner 1:00:29
What you see in a lot of these private spaces is they're charging people 1000s of dollars a year to use stuff like this. And I just, I'm not down with that at all. Like, I can't, yeah, that's
Adam 1:00:39
like, buying a book, right? Like, that's effectively, like, I'm gonna buy one book on diabetes a year. It's the same type of thing,
Scott Benner 1:00:44
right? It's not the worst thing in the world that's gonna happen to you. Like, and listen you, I could easily make the argument like that, $500 a year wouldn't be tough, but I do think it's prohibitive. Then I wouldn't want it to be prohibitive to people, just the same as the podcast. I've kept the podcast free for people because and I take ads so I can keep the podcast free, and I've done that so that everybody has an act has access to it. And, you know, I don't want somebody walking around not understanding something as simple as pre bolusing because they couldn't come up with $5 a month to listen to a podcast. It just the money's, yeah, I don't want to be in that situation. Now, listen, will I, you know, get to the end of my life and think, oh, would have been cool if 7080, 90,000 people would have sent over $10 a month. Sure, that probably will get into my head at some point. But like, for right now, I'm very focused on doing the right thing, so, yeah,
Adam 1:01:35
I mean, and that's not why you started it right, and it's organically grown into something different than what you started it
Scott Benner 1:01:41
for. Yeah, I just don't have the feeling about it like that. I got this text the other day from someone, and I'm finding it right now for you. So this person is online, I'm not gonna say where, and they follow an account, I'm not gonna say on what platform, and they think they're just following a diabetes account, and as soon as they follow the account, they get a DM, oh, hey, do you have a kid with type one? And the person responds back and says, I do. And it starts with like, Oh, my heart goes out to you. You know, happy to have you here. Thank you. How old when they were diagnosed? And this person opens up and tells a little bit of their story about their kid, tells them how well they're doing and everything. Actually, the person says, like, we found the Juicebox podcast. We're doing great. I want to give them credit, etc. Oh, that's great. Congratulations. It's amazing what can be done. You can move past just the staying alive part and get to the thing, and then the person's like, oh, you should check out the podcast. And then there's no direct answer to that question. Sounds like you're doing well, but if you ever need more support or someone that does you send them my way, yeah. Oh, what do you offer? And then a link. Here's some video of an explanation of our programs. Now here you go. The person says, How much does it cost? Did you get a chance to watch the video? I did, but I didn't hear anything about the cost. Oh, we have a few different payment options, but you know, we can go over that during a free call. If you're interested, I'm not personally interested. I totally understand that your calls built around you know what it is, and that you have to make money everything. Just want to know what it costs. Thanks for your consideration. I want to be as helpful as possible and agree on transparency. The call is free, yeah, but what does it cost after that? No answer. Will not answer them. That's pretty hard sales like you're going to get on that call, that person's going to say something to you that is going to if you're lost. Go make you think, Oh, my God, I don't need to be lost anymore. And then it's not going to matter how much they tell you next you're going to pay them. And they know that and that, I think that sucks, so it's awful, yeah, but
Adam 1:03:57
unfortunately, I'm not surprised that that's in existence, and that people are doing it that
Scott Benner 1:04:03
way. There's so many accounts at this point, and some of them have podcasts. They're not really even podcasts. They're just fishing. They're like, here, it's just a little tickle your with a feather. You know what I mean? You're like, oh, that does sound boring. What's next? Oh, I gotta, I gotta, I gotta, click on this link. They'll tell me the rest here. Yeah, they'll tell you the rest after you give me your credit card. And again, like people got to make money. I'm not. It's fine. Like I'm not judging you. I'm telling you I'm not okay with doing it that way, like I'm just, I'm just not, yeah, you being healthy shouldn't cost you 1000 or 2000 or 3000 Now, listen, if you have that money and you want to do that, I don't care. But most people don't have that money, but they do have the dire feeling.
Adam 1:04:43
And I think you see similar situations with, like, some of the camps that get put around right, where there's really expensive camps to send your kids to, oh my god no, right? And it's like you're just gonna throw that money, like you're just gonna do that, or you're gonna go find one that's
Scott Benner 1:04:59
free. Me Listen, I gave a lot of Camp away this year. Yeah, I saw you. I saw that camp Sweeney gave me a lot of, like, free spots to give away. And there's no doubt, like, it helps them, like, you know, draws attention to the camp, obviously, but my God, I think it's like $4,000 or something like that. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, it's like, three weeks. Like, don't get me wrong, it's not, like, it's not, it's not over a weekend or something like that. But still, again, if you have $3,000 to send your kid to camp with, then that's awesome. But like, if you don't, then, I mean, at least that's just camp. I'm talking about being healthy.
Adam 1:05:32
I mean, that feels like the athlete analogy, right? It's like, oh, you have that at your disposal, therefore you'll get better care, right? Versus the average person who has this disease
Scott Benner 1:05:43
anyway, so I'm doing my best I can with the information I have to not put a wall around it that people can't get over. Yeah, I think that's huge. Yeah, I appreciate it, and at the same time like it's just not free, I don't want him to hear this and feel bad, because he's a great guy, and it's a very fair price, and nobody is ripping me off having the podcast edited just so it sounds good.
Adam 1:06:06
It costs more than you think. Oh, yeah, that's someone's time.
Scott Benner 1:06:09
Yeah, that's his business, and he deserves it, like, I'm not saying otherwise, like he and he does an awesome job. Like, and I was listening to the podcast today in my car, and I was like, God damn, this sounds like I switched from a podcast that's probably one of the top 50 podcasts in the world. To mine in my car, mine sounds better. The audio is better. It's clear the edits are better. Rob does an awesome job. That's not my point. My point is, is that someone pays Rob and that someone is me. Yeah, right. And the thing the platform that's me. And you know, at 1130 at night, when you're a little drunky, drunk on Facebook, and you're calling somebody a name, and that gets taken off because it's mean, that's me too, yeah, right. Like, you know, I'm out there, like, swinging with both hands, and then I see somebody out there, like, sending this message to somebody just, like, just get on the call with me, because I'll sell the out of you and take your money. You know what I mean. Like,
Adam 1:07:02
do you think, as you're talking through all this has got me thinking, Do you think that as Arden gets older and eventually doesn't require, like, I don't know how engaged you are in supporting her now, but like, eventually it'll be zero. Do you see you backing away from this? Do you think that that'll be a natural progression.
Scott Benner 1:07:22
I have to tell you that I don't know how life is going to go, but it's always been my kind of expectation that the podcast will drift to an end after she has a baby, yeah, because that'll be maybe the last thing.
Adam 1:07:35
Well, maybe unless her kids get type one, and then it's all, it's just reasonable,
Scott Benner 1:07:40
grandpa, I'll be making a pop when people are like, what's a podcast? And
Adam 1:07:44
you'll be talking about circle, and you'll be like, Oh, wait, he's so old, he still uses circle. They all get
Scott Benner 1:07:51
together on circle. Isn't that delightful?
Adam 1:07:53
Yeah, right. He probably uses Facebook too. Yeah,
Scott Benner 1:07:58
exactly. I mean, in my mind, like I've kind of thought, like, if Arden has a baby, that's my last because she has said to me privately, like, sometimes she'll be like, Hey, leave me alone. I know what I'm doing. Blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, right? And she'll go unless I get pregnant, I'm gonna want a lot of help then. And I was like, oh, okay, yeah. I mean, I think I've transcended the dad with a kid with diabetes moniker at this point. If I haven't, I'm overestimating myself, maybe. But, like, I've made the podcast big enough now, where people come on here to talk about diabetes stuff, it's more of a hub. So, I mean, I can still bring in doctors and people doing research and stuff like that, and I think this part of it letting people come on and have conversations that are actually entertaining, so that you can hear about diabetes without being bored to death. Yeah, I think I'm good at that, you know. And as long as you guys keep coming on here and telling me crazy stories, I think that'll all work out. I don't know. I mean, I've privately said I feel like I could do it for 10 more years, but that would put me in my early 60s. So Well, then there you go, yeah, and then I'll leave behind the stuff online for you guys to use.
Adam 1:09:04
It's impressive. You've kept it up with this type of cadence for this long
Scott Benner 1:09:08
Well, it is my job. So, like, you know, yeah,
Adam 1:09:11
it is. But still, you, I mean, people get burned out of their jobs, right? I mean, that happens. So it does. Yeah, I don't know, as you're talking through it, I'm just wondering, like, is Arden like the push right? And as she needs less and less support, does it just eventually fizzle? And I think, yeah, you're, you're seeing that a little
Scott Benner 1:09:31
bit it might. And at the same time, I'd say that the process of making the podcast gives me insight into people living with diabetes that not a lot of people have, because they're not constantly talking to people with diabetes and making a podcast and trying to figure out a way to make it entertaining. I think I can figure out how to meet people where they are with information that they need. Yeah, and the truth is, is that my listener base is so. Big that, if I say, let's try to go on circle, I might actually get it launched. You know what I mean? Like, if I say, like, you know, here's some articles about stuff that'll help. Like, I think I can get it out to people,
Adam 1:10:14
yeah, absolutely. That's like, Patreon, right? Like, it's basically like, Hey, I'm gonna go pay for some a little more content, right?
Scott Benner 1:10:21
Not even that. I don't think people have to pay for it. What I'm saying is, is that you can make whatever you like. You know, the ADA has great information. I'm sure you know what I mean, like, but people follow the ADA because they get diabetes. They go, Oh, follow the American Diabetes Association. But if you go, look at people's Facebook pages and groups, for example, like, even, like, big pumps or CGM or organizations, like, yeah, they have a lot of people following them, but look at their engagement. There's no engagement whatsoever, right? And that's because they're not saying anything, because they can't. So companies can't say anything, because the FDA, you know, gags them six ways from Sunday. So they can't, they can't say one thing or the other about they can't even tell you how to use their product. They can tell you, like, here are the instructions. Or ask your doctor. But if you jumped on and said, Hey, I have a question about setting up an extended Bolus, they'd be like, You should talk to your doctor, because we're
Adam 1:11:15
not allowed to say that. That's right, because we're not doctors. We just make the device
Scott Benner 1:11:18
so their content sucks because of that. That's why you see, like, Oh, here's people wearing our pump, or here's people wearing our CGM, or, like, you know, like, here's people holding our insulin pen, like, because they can't actually do community, and so I can, like, I
Adam 1:11:35
that's it, right? That's the gap, right? Is the commute. Is community, right? It's, it's a true community of people that want to help each other,
Scott Benner 1:11:44
right? But to your point, the reason like, why is my my Facebook group today has 65,000 people in it today, and five weeks ago, it had 60,000 people in it. Wow. So 10% Yeah, it went up that quickly in the last six like five, six weeks, 125 new posts a day, 8000 likes, comments and like reactions a day. There's no downtime in the group. Let me see if I can find it for you. It's kind of stunning. I
Adam 1:12:18
think in general, that can be a little overwhelming to the average person as well, for what
Scott Benner 1:12:23
it's worth. Can but they don't see it all because Facebook doesn't feed it all to them. Yeah, there's that too, so they don't. It's not like they're seeing 125 posts a day. Yeah, I get to see them, and it's a lot. But like, for example, the slowest you could get on my Facebook group would be that there are 75 active members on it, and that's at 2am Eastern Time. And in the last week, at 11am there were 332 active people. And there are usually between two and 400 active people in there every hour. Wow. So you're never going to be alone. Somebody's going to see I've even noticed, you know, posts that put up that get quick answers, like the person satisfied, and then the algorithm kind of stops feeding it after that point, but it still did what it was supposed to do. Somebody asked a question, they got an answer, and I think that's fantastic. Then there's ones that are, you know, their engagement is much larger. They're like, I'm looking at my top engaging post here from the last month. It was literally engaged by 11,000
Adam 1:13:28
members, you know. So I think something that's worth touching on a little bit is that in order to put a post up on Facebook, even though you can be anonymous, I think it still takes a certain amount of vulnerability, yeah, to go up and ask for help, ballsy, you know. And I think that's the other thing that I feel pretty strongly about, is finding a way to make people comfortable in being able to ask questions that they may come off like, these are gonna be dumb questions, but like, everybody starts from zero on this, you know? And I think that's where that human element for me comes in, though too, right is, and that's why my head went to like, local advocates, local organizations, yeah, human interaction with other humans that can truly, like, reach out and physically help guide you. How do you bridge that gap, right? How do you make people look comfortable going and asking those questions if that's what the resource availability is going to be? Yeah. So
Scott Benner 1:14:25
I think the answer is, is that They lurk and they get their answers by lurking, or I put in a prompt where they can ping it, because, yeah, it doesn't need to be 65,000 people. If my circle group gets up to 5000 people and they're talking to each other in there, that chat bot won't just have access to what I feed it, which is the transcripts to the podcast. It'll also have access to the conversations people are having, so you can ask a question and it'll literally give you a link. Like, trust me, if Facebook would just have done this, I wouldn't have had to go somewhere else, but they're never gonna do something like this. Yeah. Because this actually helps people, and it might get them out of Facebook. You know what I mean? Imagine you can ask a question, be taken right to a conversation that's already happened, and you can watch it like right in front of you go, Okay, this is it. And then it can say to you also, this episode. In this episode of the podcast, click on that link. It opens up the the episode. There's a player right there. You can listen to, yeah, that'd be spectacular. That's how it's gonna go, yeah. But so there's this thing called the they call it two different things. It's called the 99 one rule. So it's 90 dash nine dash one rule. Or some people call it the participation in equity inequality. It's about online. What it means is that 90% of users are lurkers. 9% of people contribute occasionally, maybe by liking or commenting on a post. But only 1% are highly active, like creators, making posts or replying. So what it means is, is that out of every 100 people, only one person has it in them to make a post, to reply to a poster, to engage with somebody consistently, yeah, and that's pretty consistent, because the first time I heard about this was back when I was blogging, and a company came to me and they were excited about how much activity I had on my blog. And I was like, I like, I don't understand, like, I know how many, like, 10s of 1000s of people wrote, read that thing I wrote, and there's, there's eight comments on it, and they'd be like, No, that's a lot. And I'm like, and I kept thinking like, No, it's not, but it is because of the 99 one rule, which says that only 1% of us have it in us to like publicly talk like that. So what's different? I think it's just numbers. Now, it's still just one, probably, but it's one of 65,000 instead of one of, you know, 10,000 or 20,000 people reading. And I do think that the community is overwhelmingly so comfortable and friendly that it does open people up to speaking, and it allows you to make anonymous posts, which I think is funny, because when that came up, I had the I'm allowed to shut off anonymous posting if I want to, and I'll tell you that it would make moderation much easier, but I think it's a value for people, so I leave it on. Not everybody's gonna be comfortable putting their name out there. Yeah, I agree. So anyway, you're very kind to say all that stuff. I am trying my hardest to make stuff that's valuable for people, and I'm trying to stay ahead of the curve. I think I'm way ahead on the AI thing. Honestly, Arden had to go to the emergency room this week to get IV antibiotics, right? So it's not she's fine, but like she she gets tonsillitis a lot, which is the thing maybe won't happen to her anymore because she's thinking about having her tonsils taken out. Gets really bad. She gets an antibiotic. Couple three days go by. Nothing gets cleared up, goes back to the doctor. Doctors like, let's switch you to a different antibiotics, which is another one, another three days goes by. Four days, she's no better. Doctors like, hey, you know it was Sunday night at that point, the doctor's like, I think you just need to go to the emergency room. Like, Arden tonsils were overlapping, like, in the back, like, like, blocking her air. Like, it was pretty bad, right? So in the 45 minutes that it took me to get the doctor on the phone, speak with the doctor, make a decision, go to the ER with Arden on Sunday night, I went to chat GPT and talked the whole thing through with it, and I am not telling you a lie, everything that was said to us from the moment we got to the hospital, to the moment we left the hospital, chatgpt told me was going to happen. It was 100% right, meaning that if I knew how to start the IV and had access to what they gave me, I did not need any of the people that I spoke to. So I'm not telling you that like I went in there and found the answer and then told them what the answer was. I asked that thing what was going to happen, and it's exactly what happened. And then I went back later and looked even the way it explained things was, I'm telling you, almost word for word, the words that the doctor used to explain what was happening. And I realized that doctor is just going to it's a pool of information that they have. That's right? It's clinical. That's it. It's clinical. Yeah, it's a clinic. It's textbook, right? I mean, that's a it's going to work really well for medicine, is what I'm saying. Yeah, absolutely, yeah, yeah. You're, you're, there's static answers to static questions. And the truth is, is that you have a better chance of the AI being able to access all of it and spit it back out to you than you are for the doctor to remember it. So, like, you know, sure this was tonsillitis, so she spit it back out perfectly, because she probably goes through it 50 times a week. But what happens when it's something like, Why does my blood sugar go up when I eat fat and protein? And it's not a thing they always talk about. Like, then they go, I don't know. Maybe your settings are off,
Adam 1:19:37
you know? Yeah. I mean, I also think that there's some nuance to some of that that, quite frankly, doctors who aren't living as type ones aren't going to even be able to respond to
Scott Benner 1:19:48
Yep, but that nuance exists in the conversations between Jenny and I,
Adam 1:19:52
yeah, exactly right, and that's why the community, it's almost like the doctors are there, I don't know, to get you the tools to be able to. Solve the problem, but then you need the community to help you fine tune the knobs and the dials
Scott Benner 1:20:04
on them. Yeah? And then the unspoken part, Adam, that we don't talk about, that I know because I speak to doctors behind the scenes and they don't, all you know, say this out loud is that not everybody has the same ability to work through those problems, and the ones who don't get left by the wayside as patients? Yeah, right. Not everybody's thinking on the same level, no, and
Adam 1:20:24
that's something I am extraordinarily grateful for, is that I have the ability to study it and understand it and feel comfortable in
Scott Benner 1:20:34
making decisions. You got to point an engineer's brain at diabetes. Yeah? My
Adam 1:20:39
endo is like, you're hate, can I hate this Adam, but you're the perfect diabetic patient. Like, you're the perfect person to get diabetes. Great,
Scott Benner 1:20:47
awesome, yeah, because the way your brain works lends itself to this process.
Adam 1:20:51
Yeah, and not, it's not just that, it's that I also have good insurance and I can get, yeah, good medical care. Like, I can afford extra sensors when I want to buy one, like, I can do that. Like, not everybody has that at their disposal. Yeah,
Scott Benner 1:21:05
yeah, no, yeah. You just so casual. You were, like, I wear two and I'm running. And there's some people are running around, like, I'm gonna run out of these things. Like, it's a major, you know, that's right, yeah, not everybody's got the same situation. I gotta
Adam 1:21:15
skip a couple days because I won't get like, those are the things that I think we can take for granted is that not everybody has that at at the disposal?
Scott Benner 1:21:25
Sure. No, it's easy to forget. If you have it, that's for sure. Yeah, yeah, you take it for granted. Well, even the thing I'm doing, as much as I think it's going to be valuable for people like you got to be online. You have time. You have to still, it's, there's still barriers to entry. Like, you know what I mean? Like, not that I'll put up the barrier, but you might have some barriers of your own that stop you from getting to it. Yeah. So we'll say, in the end, if people just have good ideas and try them, like, I think that's that's a great thing. That's all I'm doing. If it works, it works, and if it doesn't, I mean, I'm out some money and it didn't work, but I think it's a solid ideas. Tried, yeah, yeah, exactly. And I'm not a person, like, you don't know me, know me, but, like, I have a lot of ideas. I don't move forward with most of them. I really need to see a path to success before I put something into motion. I know that there's that they used to call it the millionaires idea of like, right? Like a millionaire, but goes bankrupt four times or something before they make money, or something like that, like, I'm not that guy, like, I'm not moving till I see the end. So when I do, I normally have some success, because it's been thought through, like, you know, six ways from Sunday. So I think this is gonna work. The last bit is for you guys to actually do it.
Adam 1:22:37
And I think the hardest part on a lot of things, though, is just the first few steps, right? And just getting started.
Scott Benner 1:22:43
It sounds so cliche, but just doing it, really is most of it. Yeah, this needs you to go, you know, download the circle app and, you know, and and actually go on there and make some conversations with people, and get the thing growing so that it works. That's the one thing I can't like. I'm not able to control that, but I can put it out there, and, you know, I can show it to you and show you how it works, and hopefully you'll find value in it. And, yeah, that's my goal, is that if it has value, you'll know, because people will use it, and then I'll know it's worthwhile. So anyway, Adam, you were great. Rob is, uh, right now he's like, stop talking. Been talking. Sure, I know.
Adam 1:23:21
Keep talking to like that's the thing. We didn't even get to half the stuff I thought we would, which is always funny.
Scott Benner 1:23:26
Sorry. I do appreciate you listening and for being on today. Thank you very much. Of course, hold on one second for
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Anonymous female guest shares 20-year diabetes journey, divorce, and resilience in an honest, powerful, and unforgettable conversation.
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Scott Benner 0:00
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Anonymous Female Speaker 0:13
Hi, I'm I've been type one diabetic for 20 years, diagnosed in 2005 and I am now 36 years old,
Scott Benner 0:22
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Anonymous Female Speaker 2:03
Hi, I'm I've been type one diabetic for 20 years, diagnosed in 2005 and I am now 36
Scott Benner 2:10
years old, right? You diagnosed in 2005 is 2020 so it's 20 years you said that? Yep, I got it. You were like 1516,
Anonymous Female Speaker 2:18
ish, yeah, it was the month before my 16th birthday. Oh, awesome. Sweet 16. Sweet 16. I got a cell phone before all of my siblings did. They got theirs at 16, but because I had diabetes, I got mine at 15. Look at you showing off right away, a whole month early. You know, I just
Scott Benner 2:35
met because your blood sugar was high, it was really a sweet 16. Oh, that true, that that's true. You're like a you're like a Canadian tree up there. I just want to start off by saying, I love that. It says, You guys fill out a little form before you come in. It's not very long, yep. It just says, like, what are some of the themes you hope to cover in your episode? And she says, honestly, I have no idea. Yep,
Anonymous Female Speaker 2:54
absolutely. So no idea. Take the conversation where you will.
Scott Benner 2:59
It'll be fun. Well, we can do that. Other siblings, anybody else in your family, have diabetes?
Anonymous Female Speaker 3:04
No one with type one diabetes, type two diabetes, for my mom and my dad's pre diabetic, but no one else with type one it's just
Scott Benner 3:12
me okay. And you have any other autoimmune issues? I do.
Anonymous Female Speaker 3:14
I have Hashimotos, of course, of course. I mean it, you know, they come in pairs,
Scott Benner 3:19
right? Seem like it comes in a match set sometimes, that's
Anonymous Female Speaker 3:22
right, it does, but that's so far. That's the only other autoimmune Oh,
Scott Benner 3:26
okay, all right, not bad so far. Do you have a feeling like something's coming?
Anonymous Female Speaker 3:30
Don't we always have a feeling that something's coming? At least I do. I'm like, yeah, we'll see what happens down the line. But
Scott Benner 3:37
is that, like, just generalized concern, or do you actually, like, have symptoms of things that make you think something
Anonymous Female Speaker 3:44
might No, no, just general, like, you know, I expect whatever is going to happen is going to happen. I don't focus on it, but I just assume.
Scott Benner 3:52
How was it growing up with type one diabetes, it was,
Anonymous Female Speaker 3:56
you know, difficult at times pretty I had a lot of support. You know, my my mom was there with me the whole time, and my dad was supportive of my mom being there with me the whole time, and he never got into like, the management side, but my mom did, giving me my shots and helping me do all of those things. My sisters were already graduated and out of the house, so they never really lived with me with it, but I did have So ever since I was like, four or five, they thought I had type one diabetes then, and I was actually tested, and they did that whole long glucose tolerance test where they just, you know, give you sugar, check your blood every couple hours. Yeah, they did that when I was four or five, and my mom always got confused, because the results actually came back with me in like, the 250s and three hundreds, but then they told her that I had hypoglycemia, so I had low blood sugar, because I would also just randomly feel like I was going to pass out and need sugar, like, ever since I can remember, oh yeah. So it was, it was really interesting, because I talked to my mom about it recently. I'm like, I. Remember going, that's like, one of my first childhood memories is going to the hospital, getting an IV, because that was terrible, and having my blood drawn every two hours, and that whole thing
Scott Benner 5:10
so but you've really thrown the gauntlet down on me here. You don't realize this, but in your note, you said, I've had a pretty uneventful life, and now I'm like, damn it, something had to happen. We're going to find out. Oh yeah, yeah, no, no, don't worry. I'm not. I'm not giving up. But you know, like, okay, it's not exciting. As a podcaster, when somebody's like, Hey, I don't know. I don't know what I want to come on about. My life's been pretty boring, but I want to figure it out. You're telling me when you're four or five years old, your mom thought you had type one diabetes. What made her think
Anonymous Female Speaker 5:38
that? I honestly don't know. I think it was the low blood sugar attacks that I would have. So like, I'm telling, like, I would just start shaking, that terrible feeling that you have a low blood sugar, just like I get now if I take too much insulin, okay? Except I would tell her, Mommy, I'm wilting. That's how I knew how to say it, because it felt like my whole body was just like, shutting down slowly, yeah, and like, like, a flower just wilting. So I guess she talked to the doctor about it, and they ordered the testing. And
Scott Benner 6:08
glucose tolerance test shows high blood sugars, but they say, Don't worry. She doesn't have type one diabetes. She has what do they call it hypoglycemia? That's all they say, okay, yeah,
Anonymous Female Speaker 6:17
because I think it was probably coming back into normal range pretty quickly, but it was spiking,
Scott Benner 6:23
okay. And now growing up from there, 5678, all those years, does the passing out? What does the wilting keep happening? Yes. Oh yeah,
Anonymous Female Speaker 6:33
yeah. My sisters used to tease me. They would say that I just wanted attention, because I would, you know, I would need, like, a soda or, you know, something with protein, just to They told my mom, get her sugar and then give her some protein to help it stay stabilized, right? So we'd be riding in the car, and I'd look up and I'm like, Mommy, I'm wilting. And so she got to pull into a, you know, Jiffy store and get something real quickly
Scott Benner 6:52
for me. Are you a poet? Now? What? How is five year old? You going with wilting
Anonymous Female Speaker 6:57
to describe? No idea. It's the most ridiculous thing. No, I mean, it's not, but
Scott Benner 7:01
like, Do you have a like, a great grasp of language? Are you wandering around? Oh, no, no, no. All right, so it's a thing you heard one time, and you're like, this applies to how I feel right now, I
Anonymous Female Speaker 7:11
assume. So, yeah, like, it just felt like my whole like, because it would start like, in my hands and my legs, and it would just, like, slowly,
Scott Benner 7:17
like, you know, was there a rhyme or reason to when it happened, not
Anonymous Female Speaker 7:21
that we could figure out, no now we did realize quickly, I guess, like sugary cereals in the morning was not a good thing for me, because it would cause me to go low later in the day.
Scott Benner 7:33
So if you taxed your system, it overreacted,
Anonymous Female Speaker 7:37
correct? Yeah. Okay, yep. So we just tried to avoid that. My poor mom had to get up and make, you know, whole breakfast, breakfast in the morning. Was she not up for that? No, she was. She was great. Okay, I feel bad for her now, because I don't do that for my kids. Like,
Scott Benner 7:51
listen, whatever's
Anonymous Female Speaker 7:53
that freezer was like,
Scott Benner 7:53
stellar. How many sisters? Two sisters? Any brothers? No, no, just those wicked sisters that would not believe you that you didn't feel well. Were you the youngest?
Anonymous Female Speaker 8:03
Yeah, I was, yep. Gotcha. I'm the youngest. Do you
Scott Benner 8:07
remind them now how they mocked you even though you had an illness?
Anonymous Female Speaker 8:10
Oh, for sure. Oh yeah. We talk about it. They still joke and tease. Like, oh, you just, I think sometimes you just wanted the attention. I was like, I don't know. I don't
Scott Benner 8:18
remember that. Do you have like, a 40 year old sister now who goes, Oh, she's wealthing. Does that still come up pretty
Anonymous Female Speaker 8:24
much, yeah, yeah. We still, we'll joke about it at like, holidays and such fun family.
Scott Benner 8:29
Yeah, so much fun. But have they ever like, apologized, like a sincere like, Hey, I'm sorry we did that. Not that
Anonymous Female Speaker 8:37
I can think of, but I mean, they're not like, the way that we tease about it now is clear that they're like, Oh yeah, I guess we probably should have believed you, but not like, a sincere like, Hey, I'm really sorry that that, but we did that. No,
Scott Benner 8:49
yeah, I want to be clear. Like, I don't think it's such a big deal. But I just interviewed somebody last week who was diagnosed as an adult with type one after having grown up their whole life with a sister I type one, ah, she describes that, you know, she's sorry for sorry, such a weird word, but like, she's sorry for not fully understanding better what her sister was going through while they were growing up. Because she didn't, she minimized that. She thought,
Anonymous Female Speaker 9:15
yeah, I could see that, yeah, and I've always, I mean, I share with them some different things, like, when I've had a win or success, you know, I share my a one CS and, like, the group chat and stuff like that, one of my sisters will say, like, I never know what it really means, but I'm really proud of you, because it's clear that you're working hard at this, and it's not easy. She
Scott Benner 9:33
don't have Google. Is she good? You know, busy
Anonymous Female Speaker 9:38
with kids and life and all the things. So because, like I said, they've never lived with me with it, so they don't see the day in, the day out
Scott Benner 9:45
stuff. I would probably send a full report back in that text chat that explained day one season. I'd be like, Listen, if you love me, you'll study this and
Anonymous Female Speaker 9:52
figure out what this means. You will know what this is here. Listen to this podcast. Feel
Scott Benner 9:56
free to send over something about you that you'd like me to know. There you go. Happy to look into it. That's right, my brothers and I have a chat too. Yeah, yeah. It's nice.
Anonymous Female Speaker 10:06
Sisters and my mom, we all are
Scott Benner 10:07
you let your mom in. Oh, yeah, nice, yep. How old was your mom?
Anonymous Female Speaker 10:11
Oh, gosh, she was born in 63 How old does that
Scott Benner 10:15
make her? It makes her eight years older than me. So she's 61 maybe that sounds about right, yeah, that's weird that you don't know
Anonymous Female Speaker 10:26
I can remember their birth years. But like, keeping up with how old I am is hard, so that I understand I have to think about it. So keeping up with how old everyone else is,
Scott Benner 10:36
you're okay with this. Okay. So you are, like, wilting through your life, yep. So when you get type one diabetes, you must be super excited. Like, seriously, look, there's actually something wrong with
Anonymous Female Speaker 10:46
me, right? So excited, yeah, no, not quite, but no, it did kind of explain it, you know, it was like, oh, so maybe, maybe there was, this was happening this whole time, and this is why, you know,
Scott Benner 10:57
can you tell me what the run up to your type one looked like? Sure. So
Anonymous Female Speaker 11:01
I've always, I've always, I used to be a very skinny individual, like, always super thin, like, very, very thin. But right before my diagnosis, I really started to lose weight. I was five seven, and I think I weighed 67 pounds when I was diagnosed, which is very, very small and but it didn't seem like it was that crazy. I've always been small. I've always been tiny. But then the extreme thirst started, and I actually had a yeast infection that would not go away. And I finally went to my mom and like, I don't know what to do about this. We tried treating it at home. Didn't happen. Wasn't helping. Went to my first GYN appointment, and they dipped the urine, and I had ketones like crazy. So my OB, GYN actually diagnosed me, sent me for blood work, and came back that I was type one.
Scott Benner 11:53
Wow, that's pretty simple, yeah, yeah. And actually, your life is uneventful,
Anonymous Female Speaker 11:59
hey. Well, I mean, as far as diabetes goes, it has been unemplo, yes, yeah,
Scott Benner 12:06
but yeah. I mean, seriously though, right? Like, your mom's very involved, right? So did you guys figure it out? And, like, just get on your way. And what was management like? Yeah.
Anonymous Female Speaker 12:14
So I found out on a Monday, went to the hospital, did the whole week stay. They did the whole training. Here's how to coward count. Here's your insulin. Make sure you Pre Bolus. Make sure you do this and do that. And then we were just kind of on our way. I remember leaving, leaving the hospital, going straight to the mall. My mom bought me, like, a backpack purse, because she's like, you're gonna have a lot of stuff to carry around. Let's get you a new purse. Let's make this, you know, she was trying to make it exciting and, like, here's a consolation prize. Let's, you know, go shopping for a little while. And yeah, we got set up at home and started weighing food and counting carbs. And when she was there, she would, she would give me my shots, which was great, because I was still terrified of needles, like hand shaking every time I would give a shot, even pricking my finger was the same way, but overcame all that clearly. But
Scott Benner 13:07
yeah, all right, that's it. Do you needles the thing? And when did you get a CGM for the first time?
Anonymous Female Speaker 13:12
Oh, I did not get a CGM. So I think I got a CGM two years ago. So I tried to do a CGM when I was pregnant with my first I was talked into the Medtronic pump with the, you know, CGM. It talks to it. It suspends your insulin whenever you're low. But it was like, Oh, you have to calibrate it two hours before you eat, two hours after you eat, you can't, you know, if it's in this period you can't eat, then you have to do this and do that. And I could not keep up with it. It was the most frustrating thing screaming at me all night long because something was wrong or it thought I was low, but I wasn't. So I kind of swore them off because of that. And that was in 2014 I was like, I will never again deal with
Scott Benner 13:51
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Anonymous Female Speaker 16:25
You know, I've been a creature of habit for a long time. You get comfy with one thing. I mean, I even moved my little Lancet device from one meter to the next one because I was like, No, it's working, and I like it and it doesn't hurt. And I'm going to keep using the same Lansing device because I don't trust the new which sounds crazy.
Scott Benner 16:42
I like how you, as you said it out loud, you're like, oh yeah, that's weird. I know
Anonymous Female Speaker 16:47
it's crazy. And I knew that then too. But like, I was like, No, I know what I like. I know what I want to use. I don't want to, you know, step out too, too far from my comfort zone.
Scott Benner 16:57
If I want to be completely honest with you, Arden had multi clicks the lance. And it's, it was awesome. I don't know why they discontinued it. It was so awesome. And then they moved to what the multi clicks, and it's fine, but, man, the first one was awesome. Like, if they went back to that design, I think everybody would be thrilled here.
Anonymous Female Speaker 17:21
Yeah, there's just, you know, you get comfy with, like, if you're gonna have to do something that you don't really want to do, at least do it with something that you're comfortable with. So that was kind of my thing.
Scott Benner 17:30
All right, so poor Medtronic gets out early and tries to figure all this out. For all you all, it doesn't go awesome the first time around, and you're like, that said, I'll never wear a pump or a CGM again?
Anonymous Female Speaker 17:41
Well, no, I kept the pump. I've I've done pumping for years upon years,
Scott Benner 17:46
so you just hated the CGM that badly, right? It was the CGM that I was like, No, thank you. Okay, okay, yeah. How long do you use a Medtronic pump for? Maybe you still do. I
Anonymous Female Speaker 17:55
don't. Now, I'm actually using the Omnipod five with the Dexcom g6 which I love. I do love my CGM now, awesome Medtronic I used for, well, from 2014 until, what 2023 I guess, okay. And before that, it was like the Animus pump. Ping, animus ping, yeah, it was like purplish or something, see through. So
Scott Benner 18:20
you use the Medtronic pump for nine years. What makes you switch to the
Anonymous Female Speaker 18:23
Omnipod? You will love this. It was your podcast. Oh, sorry, I didn't
Scott Benner 18:27
I it's not what I was leaning towards. Actually, I thought maybe, I honestly thought maybe you were like, well, let me get back to a CGM. But no, you went, would you go to dash first?
Anonymous Female Speaker 18:34
No, no, I waited till the Omnipod five came out. Okay, whenever that was maybe that wasn't even 2023 I don't know. But when did
Scott Benner 18:42
you get it? Did you get it in your head then, like, I'm gonna try automation again? Oh,
Anonymous Female Speaker 18:46
I don't. Just before I went and just did it, I don't know it was, do you remember why I really liked the idea of overnights, not having to worry about overnights, because I always had some lows overnight or the fear of lows. So it was like, Oh, well, if this will protect me overnight, and it actually works. And I see that the CGM actually works because I got that first, then I can trust it to actually suspend insulin and do all of that
Scott Benner 19:11
overnight. I see, okay, and what's your experience been now? Using a more modern system,
Anonymous Female Speaker 19:17
it's been great. I love it. I also love that it's tubeless. I got really tired of trying to find places to hide my pump, you know, hiding it in your bra and wearing Spanx and sewing a pocket to it so you can hide it under a dress. Not super fun, yeah, but it's been great. I mean, I use it and I keep it in auto mode all the time. I don't I've never switched it out of auto mode unless I absolutely have to, so, yeah, it's been great.
Scott Benner 19:42
I just laughed a little under my breath, and I realized people might have heard it, so I'm going to explain myself, because it was an completely inappropriate place to laugh, like you're explaining your in some bubbles. I'm like, but I actually found myself wondering two things, like, first of all, like, how frustrating it must be to find yourself safe. Down on a Saturday, sewing pockets into the backsides of clothing to stick your pump in correct. Yes. Like, you must be like, I have so little free time. I can't believe this is what I'm doing with it, absolutely right? The other thing I thought was like, like, I don't have this experience. I started wondering about Arden, right? Like, you know, you sometimes you just replace things to replace them. Do you ever do that? Like, you're just like, I've been staring at this thing for 10 years, like, I'm gonna get a purple one now, or I'm gonna get, like, you know, a square instead of a circle. Or I don't even know what I'm talking about, but like, you know, eventually you just are, like, you get sick of things. I wonder if that happens to people's pumps, where they're just like, this thing's been around too long. I'm gonna change, just the change. Or if once you find the functionality to be so valuable, you live through that part. I don't know what I'm saying exactly like. I wonder if, once you find one that works that you like, does it just melt into the background, or does it feel like a old remote control to a television eventually that you're just like, let's throw this out and get a new one. Does that make sense?
Anonymous Female Speaker 21:01
Yeah, I think so. And I think it does kind of just melt into the background, like it just becomes the norm. Like, I don't think about it anymore. I just order the supplies and go, Okay, you know, I'm not thinking about wonder what else is out there. I wonder what else I should be doing, necessarily, like, it's just, this is life. This is what I do. Let's just keep going. And when you have 17 million children and a full time job and employees and all that, it's, you know, yeah, time to think about
Scott Benner 21:28
that. If you would have been born, I don't know, 20 years later, and gotten diabetes, and on day one, someone would have given you, like, the new 780 G Medtronic pump and their new CGM, which I think is like, almost here, like in America, but like, you know, basically looks like every other CGM now, and it worked fine. You weren't, like, calibrating in the middle of the night and all the problems that you had with the first one. Do you think that 10 years later, you just would have been like, Oh, this is fine. I'll just keep doing
Anonymous Female Speaker 21:54
this. Possibly. Yes, I do think that as I've gotten older and I'm more comfortable making these decisions to change things too. Okay, so Well, I have more money now. Like, I can think about, like, getting a new system because I don't have to pay for it, or I have good insurance, and I can afford to do that. Like, those are things that would have kept me on a different system in the past, right? Like, I've got a six month back supply. I did have, like, a two or three year back supply of sets, yeah, sets and, you know, all of that kind of stuff that it was hard to just get rid of that, you know, I see, so you just kind of get stuck in that, because this is what I do, and this is what I have, and it costs a lot of money to switch it could Yeah, but now it's like, well, I can do
Scott Benner 22:38
that now. Is the tubeless nature of the Omnipod. Is it that big of a draw? Yes, it is. That's what it is. Okay, yeah,
Anonymous Female Speaker 22:46
because I've even, I mean, I don't think that the algorithm. I would love to try another algorithm and just see how it works, because there are some limitations with it. It doesn't have the none of them learned. But what am I trying to say it doesn't have the has the correction through the basal, right? So it increases your basal, it doesn't give you actual boluses, yeah? You wish
Scott Benner 23:09
it was more aggressive on higher blood sugars, yeah, yeah. But the two, the tubeless part overcomes that for you. It does, yeah, in a world where nothing's perfect, and you're doing a pros and cons list, that tubeless thing really carries some weight.
Anonymous Female Speaker 23:23
Absolutely, for me, it does after being hooked to a tube for what felt like a million years. Yeah, it's nice to
Scott Benner 23:29
not have that. Does it feel like you've had diabetes forever? It does, yeah. Does that make you any feel any sort of way? No, no, not frustrated or irritated, annoyed, like you've just given up. What's that word when you give up? Like, that burnout feeling, I don't know, like a malaise, almost like, Oh no. I think
Anonymous Female Speaker 23:50
it kind of ebbs and flows, like throughout the years, like there have been, definitely been years where I've been overwhelmed by it and just over it, and I don't want to do this anymore, and I'm gonna take my insulin, but I'm not really gonna care that much about it, watch what it's doing, or check my blood sugar, or any of that thing. But I don't feel that way necessarily now, like I feel like I have really good control. I know what I need to do. I always anticipate that every like five or 10 years now, or every two or three years, I'm gonna have a feeling of like, wow, I wish I didn't have to do this anymore, because I think it comes with the nature of it, like, it's hard, it's every day, it's non
Scott Benner 24:27
stop, and once in a while that bubbles to the surface. It does,
Anonymous Female Speaker 24:31
yeah, for sure. Like, when you're fighting a low blood sugar all day long, or a high blood sugar all day long, and you get home and you're just like, I'm done. Like, I don't want to do this anymore. I'm in a bad mood. I don't want to do this anymore.
Scott Benner 24:42
Yeah, I never not do it. You have to have you had other human experiences that people without type one diabetes understand, that would mimic that feeling, like having diarrheal die or something like, sorry. I don't know why that came up to my head, but sounds terrible. Yeah, no, no, but I'm saying like, is there another. Physical, something that could happen through your health, that could impact you for an entire day, that give you that same feeling like, what else has happened to you, that gives you that feeling of like being a low all day? Is there anything that matches it?
Anonymous Female Speaker 25:11
I don't think so. No, not that I have found no. I think it mostly is just that it's it's the diabetes, because it is a twenty, four, seven, mental game in your head that you're playing, yeah, and even when you're not having to think about it hard, you're still having to think about it. Every day, when I wake up, I'm thinking, okay, when am I going to eat lunch today? What meetings do I have? What time can I order? What do I need to do to be able to be prepared for that? And you know, you're you're constantly calculating
Scott Benner 25:41
even this recording with me this morning, you you prepped in some way for this? Yes, absolutely. And that doesn't melt into the background. Oh, it does. But then once in a while, it becomes present. Yes, and then how does that manifest? Is it sadness, or how do you feel? I
Anonymous Female Speaker 25:59
think it's mostly overwhelm. I mean, you just feel that overwhelm all of a sudden, like and some sadness, because no one, no one I know, has it. I mean, I know people who are type one, but no one in my close family knows what I go through every day.
Scott Benner 26:14
Would you let them listen to this? Yeah. Do you think there'll be a moment in your text chat with your sisters you'll be like, Hey, if you want to understand me my diabetes better, I was on this podcast,
Anonymous Female Speaker 26:23
possibly, oh, my mom knows. My mom knows I've already told her. And of course, my husband knows, but, and he's been great through it all. I mean, he's there. And, you know, the kids even help me. If I'm have a low blood sugar, they all know to run and go get Mom something, right? They're there to help now, which is great, but that still doesn't take that burden off of me. I'm still the one dealing with it. Yeah, every day.
Scott Benner 26:46
No. I mean, it's nice that people care about you, but that, in all honesty, that doesn't impact the things that we're talking about here, right? Yeah, yeah. Is there anything that could, I mean, short of it just disappearing? I don't think so. No, I don't. I mean, what could someone do? I don't know. So I just ask people questions. I'm imagining one day they'll say something, and I'll be like, Oh, that's a good idea. We should all do that. There you go. Hey, you're not a depressed person by nature. Oh gosh, no, no, you're not.
Anonymous Female Speaker 27:16
I can tell I've never, never dealt with depression, anxiety, anything like
Scott Benner 27:20
that, nothing like that. So it's not piling up in other places on you. No, no, gotcha.
Anonymous Female Speaker 27:25
It's just every once in a while you feel that OOF again,
Scott Benner 27:29
today, like this happening, yeah, yeah, yeah. And today it's going to be worse, right? On days when you feel okay about it, when it's not bubbled to the surface, does it bother you when you have to make those adjustments and plans like you described, or is it just happened and it feels like you're not aware of it?
Anonymous Female Speaker 27:48
Oh, no, it just happens. Okay, for the most part, my diabetes is like, just in the passenger seat. It's not like it's controlling and driving the car and all of that. It's just it's always
Scott Benner 27:59
there. But when the times when it comes up and it is there with you. It's not in the passenger seat anymore. It's sitting in your lap for some reason and holding his hand over your eyes while you're driving. Now, every decision feels like a slog.
Anonymous Female Speaker 28:10
It can Yeah, and it can feel just like, are you making the right decision? Am I treating it the right way? Is this the right one? Is this where I need more insulin? Those types of things can happen. Am I over treating this because I'm just frustrated with it and I want to just kill it, like, get this high blood sugar down?
Scott Benner 28:28
Yes. So the act of diabetes is judging you constantly. Did I do it right? Is this right? Am I making the right decision? You're being judged, possibly, yeah, yeah, yeah. You've never been to therapy, huh? Now I can tell you were like, I don't know. I haven't really thought about it that deeply. No,
Anonymous Female Speaker 28:46
I prefer not to.
Scott Benner 28:48
No, do you think you're hiding something, or do you think you're generally happy? Oh, I think I'm genuinely happy. Okay, all right, yeah, I don't disagree with you. I'm just asking questions. Yeah, I am very happy. You are either of these boys you've been married to do anything good or bad that was valuable around diabetes.
Anonymous Female Speaker 29:08
Oh, so. So my ex husband, his brother, is type one, actually. So my brother in law? Yeah, ex brother in law, I guess you should say he had type one, and he was diagnosed similar time to me, but I never knew him. I've met him now, but I didn't know him growing up. So he had some ideas of what it kind of looks like or doesn't look like, like it was never a big deal for him,
Scott Benner 29:36
ever. Oh, so he didn't think twice about you having type one because his brother had it correct, but he has about the same loose understanding of it as your sister, who's like, I don't know what you're talking about, but good on you
Anonymous Female Speaker 29:46
correct, because he was already out of the house by the time his brother was diagnosed.
Scott Benner 29:50
Gotcha? Do you think that helped him accept you
Anonymous Female Speaker 29:55
as a type one? Possibly because he never saw it as a big deal, right? Yeah, which was was good and bad,
Scott Benner 30:02
because he also didn't know to appreciate what it what it really is. Correct? Got it? Yeah? And then this is not part of why. I'm assuming you left him. Yes, I did. Yeah. I'm just saying, I'm just assuming, because guys, generally speaking, they're like, I don't think anything's
Anonymous Female Speaker 30:17
bad. This is all right, uh huh. So that's where the fun parts of the stories come in. No, did
Scott Benner 30:21
anything about your diabetes have anything to do with your divorce? No, no,
Anonymous Female Speaker 30:25
okay, no, no, he just doesn't. He didn't know how to be faithful.
Scott Benner 30:29
Oh, that'll definitely slow it down, yeah, even while
Anonymous Female Speaker 30:33
actively pursuing having a second child. And then you find out you're pregnant, and then you find out that your husband was not faithful.
Scott Benner 30:39
Is he super handsome? No, really interesting. You know, if I was super handsome, like, let me here yesterday, I'm outside. I told you this before we started recording, but I'm outside. I'm cutting the lawn, right? I come back in, and I am just like, I'm hot, and there's like, grass stuck to my face. I come in, everyone's just chilling out. I'm like, you know, I'm like, All right, that's fine. I'm over that. By the way, I've been married and I've had kids for so long, I don't even expect anybody to help me. It's fine. And so, like, I come back in the house, and Arden goes, Hey, two questions. And I go, okay, she goes, would you ever go to a nude beach? And I'm like, what? And she goes, a nude beach. Would you go to a nude beach? And I said, No, I don't think so. And she goes, why not? I said. I said, I'm older. I'm not in terrific shape. I was like, if I was in great shape, then sure, I probably would go, Sure. And right. And she goes, great shape. And I then I said, them stupid. I was like, Yeah, you like John Cena. And she goes, John Cena. And I was like, I don't know where that came from. I've only ever seen I don't watch wrestling. Yeah, I've seen John Cena in one thing. It's like a TV show. I think it only had six episodes. I don't know John Cena. I don't like. I'm like, so while they're now making fun of me about my John Cena swing, I'm like, I'm also making fun of myself. I'm like, where the did that come from? I said, Look, just a person in like, tip top shape. I said, if someone is in tip top shape, I think I would go to a new beach. I would have any trouble with it. Arden goes, would you take your clothes off? And I went, Wait, I thought that was the question exactly, what else do you do? And I was like, I was like, wait, I'm like, What are you asking me? She's like, like, if she's like, say you went on vacation and there was only nude beaches. You didn't realize that, but you didn't have to be nude on the beach. Would you go? And I went, Oh yeah,
Anonymous Female Speaker 32:21
that's a totally different question. It was
Scott Benner 32:25
like, You're not I said, Oh yeah. I was like, no, no, no, I have no trouble that long. And that's why I asked the question about your house, because I can imagine, like, if I was super handsome and not, like, a lockdown rock solid guy, and women were constantly like, Hey, man, I might be like, Yo, what's up? Like, I don't know like, but I don't have that problem, because women are throwing themselves at me. So
Anonymous Female Speaker 32:47
I don't know where he finds his opportunities, but he clearly had
Scott Benner 32:52
them. So listen, I want to make you feel better. I'm not going to use a name, but I, for a long time, have had a friend who is God, I'm so sorry. This is one of those moments when I say you probably shouldn't have a podcast unless you're going to be honest, and if you're going to be honest, you should probably be ready to feel bad about having a podcast. But not an attractive guy, uh huh, not in great shape, not athletic, good personality, funny, not money. No, no money. Yep. I don't know how the kids would talk about it now, but between you and me and I'm going to tell you right now, Rob, get ready to edit throws at him left and right. It never stops. Yeah, if that kid's awake, he's fcking Do you understand what I'm saying? And it's a different person all the time. And I don't know how it's him,
Anonymous Female Speaker 33:50
yeah, I feel that that's very similar. No kidding, for some reason I don't know why. The only thing I can think is like that charismatic, outgoing attitude, and like attracts
Scott Benner 34:00
women. It does yeah enough to take their pants off. Apparently, when he's married, yeah, and they know he's married. Uh huh. Hold on a second horse there. I just said it for you. Thank you. Appreciate that. Thank you, by the way, yeah, and if, if you're currently female and cheating with a married guy, but you're listening to the podcast, I don't think you're a whore. I want you to keep listening. Please don't get upset. Yeah, only, only the specific, yeah, we're talking about the girls who ruined marriage. No one else.
Anonymous Female Speaker 34:29
That's right. But you know, it wasn't great anyway. Like, there were other things we shouldn't have been together. Oh, okay, all right. I mean, there were, there were other, you know, things that I was willing to put up with and get passed and we worked on and, you know,
Scott Benner 34:43
nice and you're very accepting of all this. Yeah, you're not mad.
Anonymous Female Speaker 34:49
No, no, I'm really happy where I am now, which I think makes it really easy to not hold resentment.
Scott Benner 34:56
Okay, were you more resentful previously? Even then,
Anonymous Female Speaker 34:59
I feel like. Was just like, oh, I have a reason to leave.
Scott Benner 35:03
That's horrible. I hope he doesn't hear this, but you were
Anonymous Female Speaker 35:06
just, I don't think I would send anything. I haven't told him before. I was very, I was actually very, not very pregnant. Let's see, I was four or five months pregnant. I was
Scott Benner 35:16
pretty pregnant. He knocked you up while he was cheating on you. Yes, oh yeah, dude, that's tough. You know, he's listening, by the way, that's
Anonymous Female Speaker 35:22
Oh, yeah, oh. He'll tell me now, and he knows he sees it, and he's tried to be better. He's a great dad too, like he really is. I'll give him that. Well, he's charismatic. He's very charismatic. Loves those kids, does anything and everything for them. Does
Scott Benner 35:36
he have other kids spread around the globe? Not that
Anonymous Female Speaker 35:39
we know of. They were smart and didn't tell him, probably, no, I'm just kidding. That's terrible to say. No,
Scott Benner 35:45
he's with someone now and they're happy. Oh no, no, oh, oh, okay, oh no, that was your, your ex's your husband's ex. I I'm sorry. Okay, okay, no, yeah, he's in an apartment playing Playstation right now.
Anonymous Female Speaker 35:57
Maybe I gotcha. Okay, yeah, all right, yeah, watching sports, doing something,
Scott Benner 36:01
did the conga line of boobies keep up for him, or did it stop? I don't know. I don't know. I'm sorry. I wish, first of all, I wish you know, because I know, I'm trying to figure out if part of the allure was sleeping with a married guy.
Anonymous Female Speaker 36:17
I don't know. I think, to be completely honest, now I'm never gonna let my kids listen to this, because they don't know anything about this. Anything about this for their dad, really, that's interesting. Good, yeah, we don't talk bad about each other ever around the kids. Nice. That's that's a rule. We don't do that. They think we're best friends still. So,
Scott Benner 36:32
oh yeah, yeah, it's all good for
Anonymous Female Speaker 36:34
him. One partner is always married to start. It seems like when he gets with somebody.
Scott Benner 36:40
Oh, he goes after married ladies that are also unhappy,
Anonymous Female Speaker 36:44
correct? It seems, it would seem to me, now, again, I am removed from that. Now I don't follow trying to figure out what he's doing. I just take care of my kids, make sure whoever's around them is nice. There's only been one other lady around them that I know of, yeah.
Scott Benner 37:01
So during this time since we've now decided your kids can't listen to this while he's cheating, were you still sharing your lady fun with him? You were right, yeah, because we were trying to get pregnant. Okay, so he wasn't like, by the way, also, I'm not saying this is a reason to cheat, but I'm saying, like, he wasn't like, Oh God, I haven't had sex in so long. Like, I'll go, like, find an unhappy married girl who won't tell anybody, because she's married too, because that's got to be the Lord there, I would imagine,
Anonymous Female Speaker 37:27
oh, I'm sure, yeah, no, no, there was none of that. Like the
Scott Benner 37:31
mutually insured destruction thing probably keeps everybody keeps their mouth shut,
Anonymous Female Speaker 37:36
exactly, but her husband found out and came and told me, so, you know,
Scott Benner 37:41
Oh, her husband came to you while you were pregnant.
Anonymous Female Speaker 37:46
Yeah, yeah, knocked on my front door during nap time for my oldest,
Scott Benner 37:50
and did he look disturbed when he saw you were pregnant?
Anonymous Female Speaker 37:54
Well, you couldn't tell yet, because I was only, like, nine or 10 weeks pregnant. We had just announced I
Scott Benner 37:59
gotcha okay. We had just announced it was just in the paper.
Anonymous Female Speaker 38:02
It was just it was just made aware to everybody else. Was he
Scott Benner 38:06
angry or devastated? He was
Anonymous Female Speaker 38:09
angry. Apparently they had a rocky, crazy, weird, cheat on each other kind of relationship, it seems, from what I understood. So then he was just ready to take my husband's world and rock his world too. Like here, your wife should know. Let's make sure I'm not the only one who knows. So
Scott Benner 38:26
nothing super special, just the type one for 20 years with a pretty uneventful life.
Anonymous Female Speaker 38:32
Type one uneventful. I didn't say my whole life was uneventful, did
Scott Benner 38:36
I? I just want you to know that if you didn't write that I wouldn't even know you were divorced. So you were just like, find something. And I was like, I will. Don't worry.
Anonymous Female Speaker 38:48
I will. Yeah, well, that's what I kind of counted on, because I didn't want to dictate where it goes and what you I don't know it's
Scott Benner 38:54
kind of funny attacks and me, I see it's fine,
Anonymous Female Speaker 38:56
really. I really enjoy when you dig and find things on the podcast.
Scott Benner 39:00
So I didn't know this was a test. Am I supposed to put it
Anonymous Female Speaker 39:03
in the note? Like, definitely ask me about honestly, I hate
Scott Benner 39:07
that the notes there even, yeah. But you know, there's you uptight people who have been on the podcast, like, what, what are we gonna talk so I just, I think that just lets them out of it by they get to talk and say what they're gonna talk about. And by the way, some people who are really structured with their thinking, like today's episode, which is called phantom hemorrhoid, in case you're wondering what they recorded part of it. Yes, I love how structured her storytelling is. Yes, like, she really, like I told her during the episode, she takes a two month span in her life and breaks it down so granularly. Yes, it's so super interesting that way, but, but Okay, all right, so we figured all this out. I'm back at the door. He's standing Do you invite Him in? No, no, he stands at the door. Yeah. Do you tell him you're pregnant?
Anonymous Female Speaker 39:53
No, he already knew, because we had announced and apparently
Scott Benner 39:57
you all knew each
Anonymous Female Speaker 39:58
other. Oh, yes, I've. God, gosh, I forgot to put that part in there. Yeah.
Scott Benner 40:03
So does your ex not know the phrase, don't worry.
Anonymous Female Speaker 40:09
She worked with him at his place of employment, and we actually helped her and her husband move into their house, which was like three blocks away from us. Oh,
Scott Benner 40:20
my God, how
Anonymous Female Speaker 40:21
two weekends
Scott Benner 40:22
before two weekends you were helping that move into her house while she was in your husband, yeah. Oh my Rob. Keep editing, Buddy, keep going. No kidding. Oh yeah, oh yeah. Do you think she was laughing at you? Oh, I would have murdered her. Oh, I
Anonymous Female Speaker 40:38
think I think she was probably at the time, but she also I wondered why she looked so almost concerned during and like she wouldn't talk to me, like she would not have any conversation. She was
Scott Benner 40:50
nervous. She was nervous. It sounds like your dumb ass. Husband's idea. Never mind, right? Yeah, I got it so, ex husband, sorry, yeah. Ex husband, you know, I was at a funeral this weekend. This is going to be a weird pivot. I just made myself laugh because I'm so stupid. I was at a funeral this weekend. The man who died, he's older, and by the way, shout out to him, man, he fought cancer for 12 years, or valiant dude and his son who died in his 30s, which is crazy enough, of like, a medical issue. Was divorced, but they have grandchildren, so he's got grandchildren anyway. The mom shows up. Obviously, her daughter's grandfather's dead. She's coming, you know what I mean, like, obviously, but they don't really know each other anymore. It's been, you know, split up a long time and, um. And I said to her, your father in law. And she paused and said, ex father in law. And I said, Is that a thing we have to do now that he's dead? The whole like, I don't know. Like, what was right there threw me off. Like, yeah, like, he didn't fight with her and get divorced. Like, you know what I mean? Like,
Anonymous Female Speaker 41:58
you know what goes through your mind when someone does that is, please don't link me to that person at all. Not the not the father in law. It's her, it's the son the ex. I never want to think of being linked to that person again. Oh, it makes you feel dirty. Yeah, it's like, ew, no, no, thank you. Oh, it's weird. Okay, I got it all right. Thank you. So it's not so much disrespect for the in laws, because I know my actually, my ex, father in law, he just recently passed, and you know, that was hard and sad, and my boy's first time ever dealing with loss of a grandparent or anyone, and it was a very, you know, sad thing, and I've cared for him,
Scott Benner 42:35
but just not my ex. Well, I mean, not now that we got this story. No, obviously not. Jeez, yeah, was that part of it? Did he have a great No, not even that. Come on,
Anonymous Female Speaker 42:48
I don't I? I don't know what was happening. Also, Rob,
Scott Benner 42:52
I think we got to bleep that out twice. That work. Like, I mean, like, you can leave the vibe in if you want. But like, I think we had to take the word out, even though it's not one of the curses we usually take out. Yeah, yeah. I'm just looking for the reason, like, what's the John Cena of the whole thing? Oh, my God, we're gonna call your episode John Cena. Awesome, you know, for you really don't know. Well, what got you about him? Like he you, you gave yourself
Anonymous Female Speaker 43:18
personality. Yeah, it was. It was, it was absolutely his personality. And you know, they don't show they're crazy beforehand. I
Scott Benner 43:24
mean, listen, I've heard that said about a couple of ladies, too, but I hear what you're saying. Yeah, like in
Anonymous Female Speaker 43:28
general, you're gonna put your best foot forward always, you know, when you're dating someone. And we also got married way too fast. So
Scott Benner 43:36
were you too young?
Anonymous Female Speaker 43:37
Well, I was, I was 23 so yes, you're being
Scott Benner 43:41
so honest now, and since we've already decided that we're not going to tell your children that this exists, can I ask a question? I've been dying to know the answer to Sure. When you really love somebody and you're really vibing with them, right? And you just met them, and it's all going well, and then you decide to be intimate. And when it comes out, and it's not impressive, are you let down, or do you not think about it that way? Oh, I don't know. I guess you don't think about there's no pause where you go. I was hoping for something else. No, no, I don't think so. When does it hit you? Like, the first time it's happening and you go, I don't like this thing. Like, is that when you know you're in trouble? I guess that does happen right like sometime in the future, you were like, I got ripped off here. Yeah, but I don't know. I'm just asking this because I'm imagining all the women laughing in their cars right now. This is why I'm doing
Anonymous Female Speaker 44:33
it. I don't know. I tend to not like to think about being intimate. Have
Scott Benner 44:37
you ever had an experience? Definitely don't let your kids listen to this. Have you ever had an experience where your current husband, I don't think you should tell anybody about this now. You should probably tell people like it didn't work out. The recording didn't work. That's exactly what I'll say. Has one ever come out where you're like, oh, like the glowing, like the idol and like Indiana Jones, where you're like, oh my god, awesome. Like Christine got lucky today. Like you ever had one of those experiences?
Anonymous Female Speaker 44:59
I don't know. I mean, I really enjoy my current husband. I mean,
Scott Benner 45:03
I think you're supposed to say Yes, with my current husband, it came out. I don't know if
Anonymous Female Speaker 45:07
any. I mean, you heard, if I'm being honest, any,
Scott Benner 45:10
yeah, you don't think anything would make you feel that way in that scenario.
Anonymous Female Speaker 45:15
No, not like, Oh, yay.
Scott Benner 45:19
Music I was experiencing
Anonymous Female Speaker 45:21
in my head. I knew it was
Scott Benner 45:24
like, you know, when they opened the briefcase and Pulp Fiction. Oh, my God, no, I'm young to watch Pulp Fiction. No, what the is wrong with you people? Okay, all right,
Anonymous Female Speaker 45:34
listen, I just listened to an episode where you had to look a few good men. The name of that movie, movie,
Scott Benner 45:45
because I own that film, I just want to say I we just watched it with our oldest because it's so good. Yeah, I mean, I could tell you who wrote it, like, I mean, like, but I couldn't think of the title of it while
Anonymous Female Speaker 45:55
just talking. But that's okay. I understand. I appreciate this. Okay,
Scott Benner 45:59
all right. Well, yeah, can you please watch Pulp Fiction so we can continue to talk like, Can we pause this and come back?
Anonymous Female Speaker 46:05
I mean, we might have to,
Scott Benner 46:08
anyway, I don't know. The Is it a MacGuffin? The thing No, MacGuffin is technically. Is MacGuffin? Just like technology in a movie that's not real? And then what's the Oh, hold on a second. Do you know what I'm talking about? Like, there's
Anonymous Female Speaker 46:26
no technology in a movie that's not real.
Scott Benner 46:29
Yeah, I think they called him a Guffin. But I think McGuffin might be something else too. I'm I'm people right now are like, please don't use the electricity to chat. GP, no, I'm going to what is McGuffin. I need the definition in filmmaking, a MacGuffin, sometimes spelled McGuffin, is a plot device, an object or event or goal that drives the story forward but is ultimately unimportant in itself. Yeah. Okay, then I think I'm right. So then, oh my god, this is crazy. Do you want to be freaked out right now? Did they use your example? God damn right. They did. Not just that one, but another one that I used. So listening to you talk, that's what it is. No, it doesn't listen. Chatgpt, are you listening? It doesn't listen. Actually, I don't have a microphone on this computer. It doesn't listen. Oh, there you go. Something. A character cares deeply about a motivation for the action or conflict often revealed early in the story usually loses significance as the plot evolves. Classic examples the briefcase in Pulp Fiction, because we never actually find out what's in it, the Ark of the Covenant, which I used as the example for the in Raiders of the Lost Ark, the plans for the Death Star in Star Wars and in Citizen Kane rosebud, it sets up the story, but the film is actually about Kane's life, not the object itself, anyway. So then what is the plot device called when technology in a movie is not realistic. You know what I'm talking about? Like, when they just make up a technology, oh, it's called techno babble. Oh, okay, yeah, because they just, like, say a bunch of stuff, and you sound cool and you accept that, that thing moves the story forward. Yes, okay, does that make sense? Yep, I've been all over the place so far, and we've only been talking for 56
Anonymous Female Speaker 48:24
minutes. Sorry about that. Don't be sorry. This is my brain.
Scott Benner 48:28
Oh, you're okay with all this. Yeah, I swear to God, like I'm half expecting that when we get done recording, you're gonna say to me, Scott, I'm sorry for wasting your time, but please don't
Anonymous Female Speaker 48:36
put that out. I probably should, but I also knew very well that this could happen. So I mean, fair enough, you can't have a lifetime story, no, like life, and not have it shared. So it happened.
Scott Benner 48:50
Can we be serious for a second? Do you have any concerns about your children
Anonymous Female Speaker 48:54
having type one? I do, yes, and I've had the trial net kits for forever. Get them they're sitting in my closet. They actually had to resend them again because the last one's expired, and I just haven't done it yet. Like, I check them regularly if they have weird symptoms or this, that and the other and, I mean, I check my step kids too, because I'm like, Hey, you're drinking a lot. Let me just check your blood sugar. Like they know I'm the crazy lady
Scott Benner 49:19
and their uncle. Well, doesn't their uncle? No, that's the ex. Sorry, yeah,
Anonymous Female Speaker 49:23
yeah. My boys have it on both sides, so I definitely keep track
Scott Benner 49:26
of Yeah. By the way, I think trial net should change the name of those kits to the kitchen table kit, because apparently that's where everybody puts them after they order them and don't use them and don't use them. I know, by the way, I don't know if you know this or not. For all of you listening, the poor people at trial net, who are working so hard to try to advance this, are beating their heads against the wall right now, where you're probably they're listening to this, but I think they understand, and so do I like why it happens? Yeah,
Anonymous Female Speaker 49:49
it's that endless debate of, do you want to know? Like I know all the signs their dad knows the signs anytime I see signs that are interesting. And it's a time to. I'm like, hey, just keep an eye on this. They did this. Or, you know, if they're sick, to have a stomach bug, I'm always watching them for the couple weeks to a month afterward, just making sure they're okay. And because that, that's how it hit me, yeah, I do
Scott Benner 50:13
this with my son, and I feel weird that I think I'm going to do it for the rest of
Anonymous Female Speaker 50:16
my life. Yeah, yeah. You just, you think about it, because it's a possibility. You know that after illnesses, that typically is when it shows up. So,
Scott Benner 50:25
yeah, I don't think he knows that, by the way.
Anonymous Female Speaker 50:27
No, yeah, I don't think my kids do either. I mean, they you never really make it known, but always
Scott Benner 50:33
there. You're always thinking, listen, for those of you who enjoy movies, there are four device types around technology and movies. I'm gonna give you examples of each one of them. So the name of the first one is like hand wavium or fantastical devices. An example would be the arc reactor and Iron Man. That's just the thing they made up so that the whole thing works. But there's no reality to it whatsoever. Techno babble, the way that they talk about, like transporters and Star Trek, like they just say a bunch of stuff, and then you accept it's that happens, and then you don't ask questions in your mind about why they can move people from place to place. Pseudo using Pseudoscience in a movie like the digital mind upload in matrix and something called Deuce Ex Machina virus kills the alien mother ship in Independence Day. Ah, so techno babble, fake science talk to explain technology. The hand wavium is unbelievable. Tech waved off as it just works. Like, yeah, of course, he's got an arc. I mean, they put Tony in a cave, and he came out with a thing that makes the iron. Of course, Deus Ex Machina, when unrealistic tech saves the day with no setup, just out of nowhere, you're just like, oh, the thing fixed it. And of course, pseudoscience made up. Science used to justify impossible ideas. Now, you guys have learned a bunch of stuff, and I half want to call this episode MacGuffin now, but what did I say? I was John Cena Yeah, that's awesome too, but McGuffin is good too, it is, damn it. Now I put myself in a quandary. See, yeah, and wilting
Anonymous Female Speaker 52:09
and wilting, yeah. Oh, that's I said that early on, though. I said it way too early. Oh, how long have you been listening for a few years now,
Scott Benner 52:17
I was gonna say you're like, you won't use a title that's in the first 15 minutes.
Anonymous Female Speaker 52:21
No, hardly ever. Do you do that? I
Scott Benner 52:23
just in case you guys get bored of me. I want you to be like, I'm gonna hold on a little longer to find out what phantom hemorrhoid means.
Anonymous Female Speaker 52:29
Listen, you know what? At the end of this episode, everyone's like, I'm glad I stuck around. She was pretty boring at first. But hey,
Scott Benner 52:35
by the way, I don't want to say this in a way that don't sound like mean. But in the first 10 minutes, I was like, oh my god, maybe she is boring. Yeah, oh yeah. You have like, a slower speech pattern. When you started out, you're speaking faster. Now I got you moving. Eventually you did. I was worried that that could be you. Oh no, because then I tried a couple of different things. I tried psychological, but you're not really in that vibe. And so I was like, oh my god, am I going to keep hitting walls here? This is hard. You made me work really hard. Sorry
Anonymous Female Speaker 53:04
about that. No, it's funny because one of my employees actually knows that I'm I'm doing this too. And she's like, Well, you'll have no problem talking. You talk all the time. I'm like, Yeah, well, with people I know, like, We'll see, we'll see how it goes. It's
Scott Benner 53:15
interesting how it works. It is, oh. Somebody said, Oh, I have to speak for work. And I was like, Oh my God. Like, I'm exhaust. I think the way I said it was, I'm exhausted right now. And if you threw me on a stage, I'd talk for two hours, right? Yeah, it wouldn't even matter what we were going to talk about. I'm actually, we keep setting up. We're setting up the talks for the cruise, which is coming up pretty quickly. Yeah. And people are like, well, the people I'm working with, like, well, what are you going to talk about here? I was like, diabetes. I diabetes,
Anonymous Female Speaker 53:44
generally. Just, yeah, diabetes. I was like,
Scott Benner 53:46
well, we just start by going diabetes, right? And then just, I'll talk forever. And she's like, I think you should have, you know, something written down like that. You're going to, like, stick to I was like, I feel like that's not necessary, but I have, but it's still, like, that vibe inside of me at first. It's like, no, I'll be okay. Yeah, yeah. There's three, two hour talks in like, a five day cruise, and we have other people. We really wanted to bring Jenny and Erica on the cruise, but it was the first year for and it kind of couldn't support that yet, okay, but we're hoping to do that next year. But anyway, they're going to come on through digital. Like, that's what we're trying to work out right now. So that's cool, yeah. So my idea was like, let them come on and talk for like, a half an hour, and then I'll do the last 90 minutes. And the person who's setting it up keeps saying to me, like, you can do this, and they can talk longer. I'm like, I need two hours. Isn't enough? I think she's trying to protect me. She's like, Scott, you're gonna speak for two hours, like, three times in five days. That's going to be horrible. And I keep thinking like, no, no, I'll be
Anonymous Female Speaker 54:42
alright. Yeah, that's what you do,
Scott Benner 54:44
right? It's my job. You guys have no idea that if it wasn't for editing costs and the fact that I don't think people care, I'd make three hour podcasts. Oh, absolutely, yeah. I stop myself like, I kick that. That's why they end so abruptly, because I hear a. Always in my head go, this is costing too much to edit. You got to stop. Yep, yep, exactly. I'd still be talking to the person from last week if I was able to. And by the way, I think it would work. I don't know that people have the time for it now that COVID is over, but, and there's already a couple of podcasts out there that are putting out three hour episodes, they're probably chewing up everyone's free time, but Right? I think that you'd find some crazy stuff if you kept talking to people. Oh, absolutely, yeah, I don't know how much of it, it would be about diabetes is the problem
Anonymous Female Speaker 55:31
well, but isn't that kind of what we are all here for anyway, though. I mean, we're not really here for diabetes only. At least I'm not. I like hearing the stories. I like hearing the side stories of people's lives with diabetes. I hope so that's what's fun. Yeah,
Scott Benner 55:44
it's my opinion that that's what it is. But yeah, yeah. I mean, I don't know, like, some people complain. Some people are like, can you just tell me how to Pre Bolus and shut up. You have go find that episode. Well, that's the, you know, what? Of all the things, if I had 20 minutes to yell at somebody from, like, Apple, for example. Like, I know most podcasts don't work that way, but for the ones that do, if you could just give them a tiny menu underneath and put collections in, yeah, that would be nice. It would be such a big deal, you know. And I don't believe difficult to do, but I just think that most podcasts, well, the truth. You wanna know the truth about podcasts, what's that? Very few of the registered podcasts actually produce do any episodes. Yeah. So I believe that it's one of those things where there's, you know, 100 really famous people making a podcast, and there's probably another 10,000 people who are making, like, pot, like, really taking advantage of of the platform, like, I am, right? And the rest of it's just, you know, 10 episodes, and then they abandon it, yeah? Because it's, it's hard, yeah. And the truth is, is so few people's podcasts are popular. I don't mean this in any sort of way, but, like, if nobody was listening to this, I wouldn't make it absolutely, yeah, yeah. But why would you, I mean, I don't know. I just interviewed a guy a couple weeks ago. He makes one with his daughter, but his family listens to it, like, it's okay, it's fun, like it's a thing he does with his kids. You know what? I mean, yeah, and it gets 10 or 15 downloads, and it's the people, yeah, it's lovely. There's nothing wrong with that. That man has a podcast. That's not what we're talking about. I'm talking about people who are earnestly making podcasts that are getting, like, you know, 500 downloads for an episode, or 30, or even, like, honestly, even a couple of 1000, like, you know, right, right? It's a lot of work to just have 2000 people listen to it. Sure you have no idea how much effort this all takes, I guess is my point. It all sounds fun right now, because we're talking about glowing like stuff like that. It all feels like exciting. Who is calling me, Oh, hold on, Birmingham, all right. Well, listen, this person. This person's making a real mistake. Hold on a second. Hello. Hi, Scott. This is from Oh, hold on a second. You actually need to take a real phone call. Caitlin, I'm making a podcast right now. Can I call you back in a couple of minutes? No, don't be sorry. I thought it was like a spam call, so I was gonna, like, screw with you and put you on the podcast. But then you said who you were, and I was like, Oh no, hold on a second. I'll call you right back. Okay, thanks. Bye. She's like, I'm so sorry. You have to be sorry. It's my fault. That's great. Oh, my God, that's awesome. Rob, take her name out. Yeah. Oh, actually, Rob, take her name out, and the company she called from, right please. Yeah. Also, do you think Rob right now is, like, people know my name. This is awesome. You know Rob. Rob was a really famous musician before he was handling my
Anonymous Female Speaker 58:49
podcast. Oh yeah, I didn't know that.
Scott Benner 58:53
Well, there we go. I keep asking, by the way, Rob, while we're while we've got you on the hook here, man, when are you? Rob's been telling me for three years he's going to pull out a bass and remake the opening to the podcast on base. Oh, that'd be awesome. Yeah, I've never, I've never held his feet to the fire on it, but here it is. Now it is
Anonymous Female Speaker 59:09
my husband plays bass, and it's awesome till they're like, practicing in your living room for hours upon hours.
Scott Benner 59:17
Just kidding, I love you. Oh, we're gonna say his name. That's lovely, man. She really likes your setting, your name and everything. I Everything I do, I really do, he spoils me. If this guy cheats on you, you're just gonna murder everybody, right? Oh, I've already told
Anonymous Female Speaker 59:29
him, yeah, like, I went peacefully the last time. It's never happening again. I'm gonna lose it completely, like, burning things in the yard. I'm all blasted on Facebook, like all the things I hate that people do, I'm doing it, so don't screw me over. Which he I have no I have no concerns.
Scott Benner 59:46
I'm sure. Listen, if you're making a new decision in your 30s, like, I'm sure my wife is like, Oh, if I waited in my 30s, I would have got a decent guy instead
Anonymous Female Speaker 59:55
of me. Listen, he's amazing. My my husband's amazing. He spoils me completely. So it. That's why I have such a good outlook on everything that happened. Like, I cannot imagine not having him in my life.
Scott Benner 1:00:07
I swear to God. Like, people will think otherwise, because I think people think I'm stupid. But like, I think your episode is really about hopefulness, seriously, like, that thing you laid out for me with the X and all that's horrible. Like, I know it's your life, and it's probably you can't think of it that way, because you don't want it to bum you out, but, like, you should be a little bitter and you're not like, yeah. I mean, it's really lovely of you to be perfectly honest. I hope he appreciates the grace you've handed back to him that I'm assuming he didn't deserve. Yep, yeah,
Anonymous Female Speaker 1:00:38
yeah. And I don't think it would have been the same if we didn't have kids. You know that like my kids are everything like you don't I don't know. Can I understand they didn't ask for any of it, right? So,
Scott Benner 1:00:48
but how long were you with them? See,
Anonymous Female Speaker 1:00:50
when did we get married? 2012 and then we divorced in 2017 so five years?
Scott Benner 1:00:57
Oh, it's not that long. No, oh no, yeah. If you didn't have kids, you would have just been like, you would have gone peace out. I would have gone crazy. You would have gone to the 711 stood up on a milk jug and told people for nine hours straight that he was a piece of Yeah, correct, yeah. Milk. What am I saying? Not jug, milk, crate, crate. Yeah, great. They still make those. They do, right? Think so. I mean, I worked in a 711 when I was like, 19. I mean, they assume they do. Yeah, there was a lot of weird flirting at the 711 with the people who work there,
Anonymous Female Speaker 1:01:27
like between the co workers, or between customers co workers. I think that's everywhere, though, isn't it? Like people are always being real stupid with coworkers? I feel like, I think
Scott Benner 1:01:38
so. Can I tell you the dodgiest thing I've ever done since you I think it's my god, hold on. I slept with a 711 customer one time. What
Anonymous Female Speaker 1:01:54
like were they just like a regular and they just kept coming back like
Scott Benner 1:01:58
it wasn't a one. She didn't get a pack of smokes. And I was like, hey, I'll go with you. It wasn't like that. She was in there a fair amount. I think she lived in like, an apartment that was, well, I don't, I don't have to say. I think she definitely lived in an apartment that was near the 711 I know, because that's where I had sex with her. And then she just was very flirty, and I don't know, like I She asked if, oh, yeah, I know what happened now, yeah, that's a long time ago, but now I'm seeing it. She wanted to go for a ride on my motorcycle. Oh, those things are, you know, I'm saying, not hard to get a lady from a motorcycle to a different saddle situation, is what I'm saying. I understand. Yeah, you got what I'm saying. Okay. Anyway, she was really cute.
Anonymous Female Speaker 1:02:41
Well, maybe that's why my ex got a motorcycle not too long ago. Are you serious? I wish I was kidding. Oh gosh,
Scott Benner 1:02:49
see if you talk long enough you'd be surprised, what comes out is what I'm saying. That's right, that's right. No, I mean, we talk for four more hours, we're gonna find out we're related. Look, honestly, right, all right. Listen, usually I just tell people you're awesome, because I think they were, but I'm just going to say this, you're way too honest, and I really appreciate that. So did the other people listening?
Anonymous Female Speaker 1:03:10
Yeah, the most fun ones to listen to are the ones people actually tell the truth. So
Scott Benner 1:03:15
yeah, I was going to say, did that have some impact on you? Like you've enjoyed people's stories, and you wanted to kind of come correct on that, yeah, I think so, yeah, yeah, I
Anonymous Female Speaker 1:03:24
appreciate it. I mean, I definitely don't want anyone I know to listen to this now, but it's most people who know me well enough know the whole story anyway, though. So,
Scott Benner 1:03:33
yeah, I mean, I get you like you do seem like an open book,
Anonymous Female Speaker 1:03:36
yeah? Oh, yeah, I don't. I don't hide much, right? You own
Scott Benner 1:03:40
a you don't have to tell me what it is, but you own a business. No no, because you said employees, I wasn't sure.
Anonymous Female Speaker 1:03:46
Oh, no, I a manager. I manage one of our back office departments.
Scott Benner 1:03:50
All right. Hold on one second for me, you really were awesome. Thank you so much. Thank you.
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