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Tara, 54, misdiagnosed as type 2 before her type 1 diagnosis, shares her journey with Monjaro, parenting two daughters, and life as an older parent.
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Scott Benner 0:00
Hello friends and welcome back to another episode of The Juicebox podcast.
Tara 0:14
My name is Tara, and I am a type one diabetic,
Scott Benner 0:21
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Tara 3:35
my name is Tara, and I am a type one diabetic. Tara. How old are you? I am 5353
Scott Benner 3:44
and you were diagnosed 54 Oh, I turned 54 on Saturday last week. Oh, happy birthday. Thank you. It doesn't feel good. I was happy to be alive, but that was about the extent of it, and I did it at friends for life. The extent of my birthday celebration was my wife took me to dinner Saturday night, but we had to fly the next morning, so it was like, we went to dinner, like, went back to the room, and, like, at eight o'clock we were like, Okay, well, good night. Super exciting. The girl that was helping us with our room, because we had a room key problem when we got there, and she brought me a balloon and a Mickey Mouse rice krispie treat. So for my 54th birthday, I got dinner early bed, a rice krispie treat and a balloon that was deflated in the morning when I woke up. What are you hoping to get? I'm not
Tara 4:33
really hoping for anything. There's really nothing that I want we but I know the feeling of spending your birthday in Disney because I've done that with my kids. Probably had like, their first 15 birthdays in Disney. Yep,
Scott Benner 4:46
really, oh, I this was just completely random that it happened to me. I'd never even been to friends for life before. I really want to go. I'm hoping next year. Oh, awesome. Yeah. I It was a fantastic experience. I don't think I've been to Disney. Since Arden was, I don't know, maybe five or six. I'm not even sure, like, but she turned 21 yesterday, so that it's been a while, is what I'm saying. But the heat, my goodness, and the humidity and, like, I don't know how you people are living in Florida like that, without a pool. If there's not a pool near you, you're in trouble, is what I learned. Yep, yeah. So you were diagnosed when? How
Speaker 1 5:23
old it was, just two years ago. No kidding, yes, any diabetes in the family? Yes. The
Tara 5:30
first one I remember is my grandmother, my mother's mother. It was never really talked about what type diabetic she was. I'm assuming she was type one. She was on insulin. And you know, back in those days, you lived with your grandparents, that we lived in the same house as my grandparents, so we saw her doing her injections. We always had to hear about she had her doctor appointment in a week, so she just stopped eating carbs completely before her doctor's
Scott Benner 5:57
appointment. That's how she got her a 1c that's how she got,
Tara 6:01
I don't even know if there was an A 1c back then, but that's how she passed her appointments. No kidding, I'll never forget his name because she talked about
Scott Benner 6:10
all the time. Dr dressed says this. Dr dressed like that. How was her health? Overall? Very poor health. Dr dressed not the end all, be all.
Tara 6:20
No, he wasn't such a great doctor. She had other health care. I mean, I'm sure they all came somehow, from diabetes. She had multiple heart attacks, multiple strokes. Ultimately, she died from a stroke where she was in a coma. And my grandfather, God bless him, he kept her on life support with private nurses for over eight months, wow, which was a really terrible thing looking back on it now, but he somehow thought that, you know, there was a chance to pop back up.
Speaker 1 6:51
Yeah. How old was she? Do you think she was 64 when she died? Wow, that's
Scott Benner 6:55
so young. Yeah. My grandmother died at 73 and I remember that feeling young, because she was and she, you know, it's funny as I this is apropos of nothing, because I'm adopted. I now realize my grandmother had type two diabetes, and just they, no one talked about it. It was just like, it was a thing, but she looked so healthy because she was so active, and then, yeah, then she had a stroke and she died. So it's interesting how, how, how things can sneak up on you. Yep. So how about the rest of the family? Is there type one in amongst, like extended family, or anything like that? Well, a
Tara 7:33
cousin, son on my father's side, who was diagnosed with type one. He was very young when he was diagnosed. There is some type two, there is rheumatoid arthritis, there is celiac there's a whole bunch of thyroid. My mother had type two, and she also was being treated
Scott Benner 7:51
for her thyroid. How about you anything else besides the type one?
Speaker 1 7:54
So far, nothing. Thank God. Yeah, I hope, I hope it stays that way. Yep,
Scott Benner 8:00
I realized that I joke around about stuff like that so much I thought I said to myself, I'm like, maybe you should start saying, I hope it stays that way, instead of like, not yet. Oh, well, I'm glad for you. That's the one thing. So you're diagnosed a couple years ago. How does it present? I mean, I'm hearing it's not a ton in your family. So it's not like you were running around thinking, I think it's coming for me. I also don't think people in their 50s think they're getting type one diabetes, usually
Tara 8:23
no. Well, I was diagnosed with gestational diabetes my second pregnancy, so I was put on medication for that. But now looking back on my first pregnancy, I definitely think that I had diabetes, gestational diabetes, type one or type two, any sort of diabetes during my first pregnancy.
Scott Benner 8:43
Okay, they knew about it in your second pregnancy, but your Hindsight is telling you you probably had it both times.
Tara 8:49
Yeah, they told me that I was borderline on that, you know, the sugar test that you do when you're pregnant. But I gained almost 80 pounds, and I was, like, always, always on the thin side. And I was almost 200 pounds when I had my daughter, who was over nine pounds, and we had a problem with, you know, during childbirth, and she wound up with shoulder dystocia and herbs palsy.
Scott Benner 9:16
No kidding, what's the what's the palsy? What is that?
Tara 9:20
Well, from what they told me, and I don't really know, because she finished all of her physical therapy and all that so long ago that while I was delivering, her shoulder was caught, and I guess there was like muscle damage or nerve damage, or it,
Scott Benner 9:34
is that a thing that's been taken care of? It? Does she suffer from it at this point? Or is it,
Tara 9:39
I could still notice it. I don't think that she notices it anymore, but I still notice, like, mostly in her hand, the way her hands move. I could see that she doesn't have full range of motion in her hand, but she doesn't know it. I guess she just deals with it at this point. Interesting. Also,
Scott Benner 9:55
you said her shoulder got caught on something, and my brain was like, caught on what? Oh, my god, yeah. I know how you ladies get through life. That's terrible. What you just said was just so scary, like her shoulder got caught on something. Oh, okay, so second baby, they give you insulin for that.
Tara 10:14
Second baby, no insulin. I went to a new OB GYN for my second pregnancy and told him the whole experience, and right away, he said, I'm just going to assume that you have gestational diabetes, and we're going to start you on medication right away. And he started me on it was oral medication. I think it might have been like gliburide,
Speaker 1 10:34
okay, yeah. So how long ago did you have those kids? Well,
Tara 10:38
the oldest one is 21 she'll be 22 next month, and the younger one will be 20 next month. Oh,
Scott Benner 10:45
nice girls, both two. Girls, yep. Girls, congratulations. That's lovely, cool. Okay, they don't have any autoimmune stuff or type one so far, no nothing. So then back to you being pretty surprised when you're diagnosed. So how did it get to you, what did you notice first that, I guess, made you feel like, Oh, I've I was going through this when I was pregnant. But what were the signs?
Tara 11:07
Well, after the second one, a couple of years after I went to the doctor, and he just, he threw in the A, 1c, and it was a little high. So he said, Oh, we're just gonna watch it anyway. Long story short, I was eventually diagnosed, they told me type two, but I was put on insulin. Okay.
Scott Benner 11:25
Oh, right away, right away. I like that. We're just gonna watch it. That's code for you're gonna get diabetes one day. We don't want to miss it. Did you know that at the time?
Tara 11:34
I kind of figured it, and I kind of, I don't know. I always knew. And I look back now and I think about when I was young, very young, like, you know, less than 10 years old, I had some health issues that I look at now, and I'm like, nobody ever thought to test me for anything like what I was really, really underweight. The whole time I was in grade school that I was on some medication. I have no idea what it was called, but I could still smell it when I think about it, just to help me gain weight as I got older, there were a few instances, especially in when I was in college, that I would just faint, like, for no reason at
Scott Benner 12:12
all. Like, do you think low blood sugar now, when you look back, I think
Tara 12:16
now that probably is what it was, but my mom took me to a doctor who was a little?
Speaker 1 12:22
I want to be nice. He was, I can't wait to hear what you're gonna say. He was a little. What he was a little?
Tara 12:29
I don't know if he really should have been a doctor, like he would sit behind his desk and smoke in
Speaker 1 12:33
his office. I thought you were gonna say stupid, but well, maybe a
Tara 12:38
little stupid to anything that you had was cured with, like, cough syrup with codeine in it. That was, like, his go to
Scott Benner 12:45
for everything. My back hurts here. Get high on this cough syrup. You'll be fine.
Tara 12:49
Yeah. So he told my mom, and I, like, the reason I was fainting was because I was having panic attacks, and I was having a lot of stress while I was in college, but I had not a care in the world. Did you
Scott Benner 13:01
speak up? Do you remember going, that's not the case. Yeah. And he
Tara 13:05
was just like, No, this is what's happening, you know? So I always kind of knew that something was not
Speaker 1 13:11
right. And then he gave you codeine. He's like, here, this will calm you down.
Scott Benner 13:18
This will help. First Doctor in history 20 years ago is like, if you tried weed, I think you're just
Tara 13:23
upset. No, no, he didn't. He didn't offer that just, just the code. No kidding,
Scott Benner 13:27
how much of that cough syrup Do you think? What do they call it? By the way, when they make drinks out of cough syrup? I can't think of it now. Oh, I don't know. I'll figure that part out. Don't worry. So that was another thing. Was there more than that? Or
Tara 13:39
no, then the gestational diabetes, and I don't know, and after I had my kids, I really just never felt right. And even with like, the being on insulin and that endocrinologist had made just like on a sliding scale and no corrections, no carb counting, nothing like that, just take the insulin three times a day, and this is, you know, test your blood sugar before. This is a sliding scale, and even now that, well, I have a pump now, but I think about it seemed like so much insulin that I can't believe I wasn't, you know, having low blood sugar all the time. But I guess I needed it because you
Scott Benner 14:15
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Tara 16:45
and I was in the emergency room, and they said, you know, any diabetes? I said, Yes, I'm type two. And the nurse said she gave me a really funny look, and she said, I think you should be tested for type one. And so I was tested for type one. I'm
Scott Benner 17:01
glad you met somebody who could help you. Yes, seriously. Also, the word I was looking for earlier was scissor. I mean, listen, kids, if you're listening, it's dangerous, and please don't do it. But I think it's kids may use cough syrup that have opioids in them and antihistamines, and they put it with like a soft drink sometimes, or, like, hard candy or something like
Tara 17:23
that. It's not familiar.
Scott Benner 17:26
You were getting prescription scissor. Yes, yep. Where is that guy? Now, I think he passed away. Well, yeah, the Cody stopped his heart eventually, my gosh. So once you know you have type one, can I ask? How do you process that? Like, is it shocking, or did it not? Did you were you just, like, a type two, type one, whatever. I'm using insulin anyway. Like, how does that process hit you?
Tara 17:49
No, it was shocking, very shocking. I don't know. Maybe it shouldn't have been but, yeah, I was really thrown off. I think I still am a
Speaker 1 17:57
little bit, but it is what it is. So how do you think you're thrown off? Still,
Tara 18:02
I have a little bit of anxiety now around anything, any kind of medical issues. I have anxiety about, just like leaving my house without a meter or glucose tablet, so things I didn't, never really thought about before, and now you don't have the cough syrup anymore, I don't know, so I can't use that to calm me down. Great.
Scott Benner 18:21
You finally, my God, can you imagine the guy, if he was here, he'd be like, I know it. So you have some anxiety around it. Now, why are you afraid of getting low in public, or afraid of getting low,
Tara 18:30
complete at all. I think just in general, yeah, yeah, you just don't. Has it happened? Not like a severe low, but, you know, I have my alarm set at like 80 so I can just keep an eye and see if I need to treat it a little bit earlier.
Scott Benner 18:46
And you don't want to be in a dire situation where you can't get help. Like, are you afraid that it's going to get progress to a bigger problem? You'll have a seizure, you'll die, or you just don't want to be a burden on people, or you don't want to be seen that way. Do you have any idea what part of it makes you
Tara 19:03
That's all of it, and I also just, I never want to have to be so low or so high, or in any kind of a medical situation where I would have to have other people really worrying about me, because
Scott Benner 19:15
you don't want them to worry about you, because you think they won't be able to help
Tara 19:19
you. No, I don't. I know that they could help me. I just don't want them to worry.
Scott Benner 19:23
Okay, it's funny. I worry that they can't help. That's interesting. So are you doing anything for that? Like, you know, being serious? Are you, like, seeing a therapist or, like, have you done anything to try
Tara 19:34
to impact it? No, but I probably should. But no, is
Scott Benner 19:37
it hurting your lifestyle? No,
Tara 19:40
no, it doesn't. It doesn't keep me from doing anything. It's just always on my mind,
Scott Benner 19:44
always on your mind. So do you pack a ton of stuff when you go out?
Tara 19:47
I do? I have this giant bag, the diaper bag. It's as big as a diaper bag. And it's funny, because I'm always getting compliments on it, and I find myself explaining, like, oh, I only use this bag because I have this much stuff to get.
Scott Benner 20:00
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Tara 20:47
I would not have considered myself anxious, and I don't think anybody that knows me would consider me an anxious person either. It's really only that small piece that I worry
Speaker 1 20:57
about. Are you married? I am. Yep. Has he noticed a difference?
Tara 21:01
Yeah, he probably does. I mean, just recently, we took a long vacation, about two weeks, and I switched my pump. I used the tea slim pump, but I used Omnipod while we were on the trip, because I didn't want to worry about the tube and disconnecting when, you know, for the pool and beach and all that. And when we got back, he said, You seem so much happier with the Omnipod. Oh, how come he said that I looked like I wasn't worried that much, and I maybe like, out of sight, out of mind, and the tube wasn't around, like to remind me to be checking.
Scott Benner 21:34
Okay, well, omnipod.com/juicebox. If you guys want to try it out, and if you think she's wrong and you want to use the Medtronic, that's Medtronic diabetes.com/juicebox. Links are in the show notes. Links at Juicebox podcast.com. How are you with your management like is, do you have things where you want them to be, or are you still on them in an adjustment period?
Tara 21:55
Things are pretty good. My, my, A, one, CS right now are in the sixes. So I guess that's pretty good. When I was still considered to be type two, they were always in the eights. Well, you
Scott Benner 22:08
weren't using basal, right? Or no, no. Well, listen that. That's good news for Medtronic and for Omnipod, you're keeping in the sixes, random or No, tandem, excuse me, so many sponsors, and I hear you out there. If you're like, I know Scott, it's good for tandem or for Omnipod, because right now you're like, look, I keep a six. Doesn't matter which pump I put on. Is that about, right? Yeah, yeah. That's awesome. So you so it is about like, for you, it's about your settings and the things you do. Yes. What do you think you do that keeps your a 1c in the sixes, I still
Tara 22:41
eat pretty much whatever I would whatever I want, which is very important, because I like food and I love to eat. So I try to as much as, as much as I can, try not to think too much about what I'm having or what I'm eating. Sometimes you have to, but most of the time I don't. I really think it's just the settings.
Scott Benner 23:01
Yeah, you just have good you have good settings. You Pre-Bolus. Your meals. I do, all right, you get a high blood sugar. You wait three hours to fix it, or you fix it sooner.
Tara 23:11
Nope. 160 I start correcting. You start correcting.
Scott Benner 23:15
So basically, just, like basic concept stuff, yes, yeah, what allows you to be focused on it. Meaning, like, you know, a lot of people say, like, oh, I don't want to pre balls takes forever, or, like, that kind of stuff. Like, how have you prior been able to prioritize it?
Tara 23:30
Now it just seems like second nature when I when I first heard about, which I think was the podcast where I first heard about pre bulls thing, I just decided I'm gonna do it, and I've always done it. So have you
Scott Benner 23:42
been like that about other things in your life? Yep. Okay, so this follows your personality. Then, yeah, yep. Very much. The room is clean right now. Yes, there's no shoes on the floor.
Tara 23:54
There might be a pair of shoes on the floor. They're my husband's
Scott Benner 23:58
not yours, though. My God, no, not this guy that you're generous enough to allow to live in your house. It's making a mess of everything. I see. Any people in your life, like, friends? Have you ever? Have you met people with diabetes? You mentioned, I think it was before, in the beginning about, like, wanting to go to friends for life. So like, are you looking for that kind of, like, in person community?
Tara 24:18
I think so, because I don't really know anyone, especially with type one diabetes. I don't know anyone with type one diabetes. I think it would be nice to have someone to talk to, or someone to, you know, bounce ideas off of not that I can't with my husband and my kids, because I do, and they're very open to it. But I think it's different having someone who knows exactly what you're thinking about and why you're thinking about it?
Speaker 1 24:45
Yeah, more practical, less academic. Yeah, I see okay. What made you want to come on the podcast?
Tara 24:51
I've been listening since I was diagnosed type one for the past two years, and it was actually my daughters who were like, You should go on the podcast. Cast. So
Scott Benner 25:02
did they tell you? Why did they say there's like, a reason in their head? Do you think or
Tara 25:07
I did X and Y? I was like, I have nothing to say that anybody would be interested in the area. And they were like, Yeah, you do. You're funny. You would have, you would tell a good story.
Scott Benner 25:16
All right. Well, let's work on thinking of what that good story is going to be. Yeah, I don't know. Well, you know it's gonna happen. Much to their chagrin, it's gonna be a story about them. They're gonna be like, I didn't want you to tell that one. You mentioned your weight earlier. So first pregnancy you gained. I mean, am I right to say you went from 120 to 200 pounds? Yep. How tall? How? What's your frame? I'm about five, six, okay, but still 120 was probably like a great weight for you. I'm imagining, yeah, yeah. Does that weight come back off after the baby
Tara 25:50
all of it did not. And my my mother, I used to be so sad about it. My mother would tell me, you know, it takes takes nine months to gain it takes nine months to lose it. But that nine months came and went and
Scott Benner 26:02
like this lady's full of, I wonder what else she's been lying to me about. I mean, are you comfortable telling me, like, how much of it still existed when your second pregnancy began?
Tara 26:16
I was probably up to still about 150 when I had my second when I went into my second pregnancy. And with that pregnancy, I only gained 23 pounds.
Scott Benner 26:27
Okay, so then it comes back off after that one, or
Tara 26:31
pretty easily, came back off after the second
Scott Benner 26:34
one. Interesting, back to 120 never back to 120
Tara 26:37
but I would say like in the 130s
Scott Benner 26:39
Oh, I mean, listen, that's pretty awesome, because I'm asking, because I'm trying to figure out, like, your little intake form here, like you're using Manjaro, but it was given to you for type one. Is that correct? Yes. So how does that happen? Like, if you're, I mean, you're only two years into this, I guess you're diagnosed into the GLP phase, or, I was gonna, I meant to say craze, craze or phase. I guess either works. But does the doctor suggest it to you? Do you suggest it? How does that come up, if your weights not
Tara 27:07
my? Well, my weight at that point was a little bit of an issue, because I had gained like, in the three times that year that I went to the endocrinologist, I had consistently gained like, I guess, over the course of a year, it was maybe almost 30 pounds that I had gained. Okay, and so she told me in her office, still, she still was believing that I was type two, that I would be a perfect candidate for minjaro. And she took it out. She's like, you want to try it. I had her obviously had heard about it, but I really didn't know what it did or how it worked. And I said, Well, do you know? Do you think it'll help? And she said, Yeah, it'll help. I'll give it to you right now. And she jabbed that pen right into my belly, right there in the office.
Speaker 1 27:54
My gosh, and how long you've been on it? I've
Tara 27:57
been on it since this so I guess about two and a half years now, yeah, and I'm still on the lowest dose, 2.5
Scott Benner 28:03
really, you never because you're not there. You're not using it for weight.
Speaker 1 28:07
No, not using it for weight. Did you lose weight? I did back to
Scott Benner 28:11
bring you back to the 130 back to the 120 Oh, no kidding. How about that? And do you find that it impacts your appetite.
Tara 28:21
In the beginning, it definitely did, without a doubt, there were times where I wouldn't even think about eating, but you know, you have to. There were times I would be making dinner, you know, for my family and like forcing myself to eat. But now it is no impact on my appetite at all, but it's still
Scott Benner 28:41
impacting your blood sugar. It is, yep. So I want to know more about that, but first I want to tell you that I was at an event this weekend, myself, my wife, 10 or 12 other adults, people we hadn't seen in a while, like, you know, a mix of folks, and we're sitting down, and someone just looks at me and goes, so I feel like, I have to say, You look like a completely different person. And I was like, yeah, like, you know, I've lost like, about 70, almost 70 pounds. Now. Said, How'd you do it? And I was like, Well, I did it through GLP medications. I've been using them for about two years, and that made somebody else comfortable. Like, it's I realized, because my wife's lost weight too. Like, I realized that, like, they thought it of both of us, but were comfortable asking me, but not asking my wife, which was interesting, right? And so then that, like, opened it up to like, and Kelly, you look great. And Kelly's like, Oh, I lost this much weight. I also did glps, blah, blah, we're talking about the person who asked, just goes, I'm using it too. And I was like, Oh, cool. And then her husband goes, me too. And I was like, Okay. And then I looked around the room. I was like, anyone else? Yes, someone goes, I use it for type two diabetes. I was like, so five of the 12 people here are using a GLP medication. I was like, that's crazy, you know, and everybody in a different way. Our insurance covers it. We're lucky, right? The other two people, one woman's like, using it for, you know, an air quotes problem was how she was able to get it through her insurance. One of the guys was, like, you know, my insurance covers for type two. One guy's like, I use it for weight. It was really interesting because then I sat back, because people tell me, I talk about too much. I don't know. Like, I think it's kind of amazing, I really do. But I thought, let me just hear what everybody else thinks. And then I listened for a half an hour while three other people told me how amazing it was for them. Yeah, they said everything I was going to say. And I was like, wow, it's their exact same experience. Like, they've had the exact same experience. So I want to know about yours. Like, take me to the beginning, like, she jams you with that, with the needle right there in the office. Yep. And when does it hit you? Like, do you know, in days? This is a difference maker. Does it take the next injection? How does it
Tara 31:05
it was hours. I'm not even kidding you, it was, it was hours. My endocrinologist at that point was in I used to live in this in New York City, so she was in one of the boroughs, but then I moved up to the Hudson Valley in New York, which is where I am now. Yeah, so I was still driving, like that hour and a half drive to go to the endocrinologist, because I hadn't really found anyone up here, and it would I was with her for a while, and I knew her, I trusted her, by the time I got home from that appointment. So I drove an hour and a half home. I was going to make myself some lunch, and I made a little like a piece of toast with some jelly on it, because I knew that I didn't have an appetite that quickly, that quickly, and I couldn't even eat it. I could not eat it.
Scott Benner 31:56
Have you heard me say that I lost like, over nine pounds in the first four days? Yeah,
Tara 31:59
I think that first couple of months was like, that's when I lost all the weight. I'm not really losing weight anymore from it,
Scott Benner 32:05
and you don't have weight to lose this point. No, no, right? What do you think it's doing to your insulin needs? I
Tara 32:13
can tell you from when I first started using basal insulin I was using, it was 38 units, 38 units every night for basal insulin, 38 units every night. Okay, now I am using, I guess my average insulin use on my pump now is like 22 units a day.
Scott Benner 32:37
Hmm, that's total, yep. Jeez, that's so you were using 38 basal, how much Bolus or meal insulin? Do you think you were using
Tara 32:45
Bolus? Well, they had me on a sliding scale, so it was a minimum of eight units,
Scott Benner 32:52
46 units a day, down to 22 and did you find that to be commiserate to your weight? Because there's going to be people who just say, like, well, sure, like, weighs less now she needs less insulin.
Tara 33:03
It started almost right away, before I before I really lost the majority of the weight. So I don't know. I mean, some of it probably has to do with weight, but,
Speaker 1 33:12
yeah, my
Scott Benner 33:13
goodness, isn't that something? Okay, so some of it's got to do with weight. I think just getting rid of the fat, you know, helps you with, like, hormonal stuff, which is probably weight issues too. And of course, you're eating less, so you're using less insulin. I think it's a mix of all that for most people. But
Tara 33:32
yeah, you all. I think now my appetite is back to normal. It has been for probably a year now, so I'm not really eating any less at
Scott Benner 33:41
this point. Gotcha. Gotcha. So if you're not eating any less and you're not gaining weight, then it is helping you in a couple of ways. Then, right? Because you're not, you're not holding the weight, and your insulin needs are almost in half, so it's helping you with insulin resistance, for sure. Yes, yeah, you feel that way. I'm not putting words in your mouth,
Tara 34:01
right? No, I definitely feel that way.
Scott Benner 34:02
That's interesting, isn't it? It really is. It's going to grow in popularity amongst doctors, which is going to get into people's hands. I think that. I think Lily and Novo are going to make, they say they're making a daily pill that's going to work as well as the injection. That'd be crazy if they accomplish that. This whole thing of replacing GLP is, oh, it's insane.
Tara 34:24
I tell everyone how amazing it is. And I actually was just with, I won't mention his name, but I was with one of my brothers. I have a big family, and he was telling me about some health issues that he had, and I said, please ask your doctor. I think you'd be a good candidate for Manjaro or ozempic, please ask your doctor. What was his reply? He said, I would love to do that, but I am afraid that I'm gonna have minjaro face. Yeah. I said, Would you rather lose the weight and have a healthier heart? Heart
Scott Benner 35:01
Yeah. Would you like to have grandmom strokes and heart attacks?
Tara 35:05
Yeah? Well, that's it too. Our mother passed away from a stroke too when she was 62 years old. Oh, hell. So yeah, I think. And there's six of us. I have three sisters and two brothers, and I think we all think about that all the time.
Scott Benner 35:17
Yeah, I bet you. So you're sitting there, he's talking, and you're thinking so alive and skinny face that looks a little like you lost weight or dead? Yes, yeah, I'm gonna go with alive, is what you're thinking. That's where I'm at, by the way, I actually, I have to tell you, I feel pretty lucky. I don't know how I got away with my double chin shrinking the way it did. I mean, it's the closest I've come to believing in God in quite some time. So, like, I'm very grateful that that happened. But the rest of it, I was already, like, built, like, classically, like a guy, like, my legs were already thinner, like the guy don't have a butt, you know what I mean? Like, I didn't have a lot of fat on. My arms were already lean. Or, you know, my chest, the top of my back, like love handles, like, you know, all around the midsection, like, you know, where it happens. And as soon as I started losing weight, I ran out and bought Spanx, like, shirts, the like, like, you know, just because I kept thinking, like, I'm gonna start like, the fats gonna come out, the skin's gonna be extra gravity is gonna grab it, and it's gonna get stretchy. And if I hold it up, maybe I'll get some collagen, like, a little elasticity, like, right? And it really is working. My wife always used to tell me, like, when she was young, she's like, I wear really tight bras because I don't want my boobs to drop as much. And I was like, Is that a thing you heard? And she goes, yeah. And I was like, All right, like, I don't know if that's true or not, but I was like, that's what popped into my head. I'm like, let me just wear, like, a tight shirt every day, like, whether I was going somewhere, I didn't care if somebody was going to see me. Like, I just wore the just wore this thing every day. And I think it really saved me a little bit. So have you seen me? Would you know me before and after
Tara 36:50
visually? No, I think I've just seen you recently.
Scott Benner 36:53
Just know what I look like now. Yeah, if I showed you what I look like like two years ago, you'd be like, Oh, that's insane. And again, I tell people all the time like I did not count myself as a person who ate like, incredibly poorly. And actually, as I look at my day now, I don't think I eat any differently now than I did two years ago. I do eat less most of the time. And you can get full credit to the GLP like, because if you're using Manjaro, I'm I'm using Z bound. It's the same drug I do not like think about being hungry like ever. When I started, one of the craziest things I had to tell people is like, there's an alarm on my phone to remind me to have breakfast. Yeah, yeah. So I don't have to do that anymore, and I actually did wake up hungry this morning.
Tara 37:37
So yeah. And it's weird, because when that feeling of hunger starts to come back, I like, I didn't know what it was. I didn't recognize it. When I first started feeling
Scott Benner 37:48
I know exactly what you're saying. The first time I had
Tara 37:52
it, I was like, Oh, wow, that's what it is. I'm hungry. I need to eat. Yes,
Scott Benner 37:56
you're almost like, worried about yourself for like that happened to me this morning. I swear to you, I opened my eyes and I was like, what's that pain in my stomach? And then I was like, Oh, I'm hungry. And then my first thought was like, Oh, I hope I'm okay. Like, why would I not be okay? You know, I don't know another way to explain it to people, other than it's just awesome. I know it hasn't worked for everybody. I will tell you the biggest thing to look out for, if you have type one, is I think people with insulin resistance are going to see a lot of value from it, and if you have type one, but if you're not a person with insulin resistance, you might take it and not notice anything. Like, I definitely think it's helping people with weight, with hunger, satiety, etc, but if you have insulin resistance, so I mean, like, on top of like, forget your type one. Like, would you have insulin resistance if you weren't type one? Like, I think that's where it helps people a lot. Yeah. But going back to your brother that you were talking to him, I was in a very similar situation again over the weekend. Like, somebody piped up, I don't want to do that cheating, they said. And I was like, Okay, I looked over and I thought, you really are in a situation here with your health, you know, like this, this person, and there's a mixed group of people. There were, like, classically lean people their whole lives there. There was, you know, smokers, there non smokers. People drank. People didn't drink. There was a regular mix of people. This person that spoke up has a fair amount of weight to lose, and his parent had a heart attack in their 50s, and the response was like, it's cheating. And I was like, Well, I mean, I don't know how much time you think we have here on the planet, but like, you're in your 50s, you know what I mean? Like, Ozzy died yesterday at 76 and he was pickled, and he could only make it to 76 76 we maybe have, like, 25 more years here. You know I'm saying, like, let's just, let's just say it is cheating for a second. Let's, I'll give you that. Let me give you your point. Okay, call it cheating. Cheating to stay alive. That doesn't hurt anyone else. Like. I don't have to drink a baby's blood or murder somebody or something, like in a ritual like, I just inject the thing, and the weight comes off, and my fatty liver goes I don't have fatty liver, but your fatty liver goes away. Your heart issues, you know, get better. If you have insulin resistance, it goes away. You're leaning towards type two diabetes. Goes away. Goes away. Go like, what I'm looking for somebody to explain to me why someone would say that you have any
Speaker 1 40:26
idea? I have no idea at all. Yeah, I really can't wrap my head around it.
Scott Benner 40:32
So it's cheating.
Tara 40:34
I mean, I just feel like I've had a good experience, and I, I'm not shy about it. I tell everyone, and I I I tell them that I have had a good experience. Some people are afraid of, not only majority the side effects, but I, I think once, in the very beginning, I had side effects from it, and that was it. I haven't had anything in the whole you know, mostly for the two years. You're
Scott Benner 40:57
not really on a very big dose either, like 2.5 that's the starter dose. What were your side effects when you had
Tara 41:03
them? I had a little bit of vomiting in the beginning. Okay, were you eating too much? Probably not, because I it affected my appetite right away. So probably, maybe I was just eating the wrong things.
Scott Benner 41:15
I met a person. This person was awesome to share this with me. As a type one lost a lot of weight. I see them, like, yearly. I guess last time I saw this person, I was like, Oh, my God, you look awesome. Like, amazing, yeah. GLP is really working. My insulin needs are lower. Look at all the weight I lost. Great. I was like, that's fantastic. I was like, how are you tolerating and he goes, I throw up every day.
Speaker 1 41:40
And I was like, every day,
Scott Benner 41:43
and he laughs, and he goes, Yeah, I'm eating way too much food. And I was like, oh my god, it hasn't stopped your hunger. He goes, not at all. It's like, that's interesting. So it's value. Was there for everything else, right? But it didn't touch their hunger. And I was like, Really, are you sure? Like, I actually said, Is it maybe time to see a therapist? Maybe you're covering for something else here with this, you know, you use the words, I use them on the podcast all the time that I eat through it, and I was like, why? And he goes, I don't love food. I was like, okay, so I'd stop. If I was you, I would tell you that I'm not good with, like, oily foods. Like, I cut a lot of oil out of my life number of years before glps. I'm not good with oil to begin with. But, like, I can't deep fried stuff. It's gonna send me to the restroom, you know, that kind of thing, but that's awesome for you. Your doctor is still this is, I'm trying to think of what people's questions are going to be like, you don't have weight to lose, you have type one diabetes. It's not indicated for that. How are you getting this is going to
Speaker 1 42:47
be their question. That's a good question.
Tara 42:50
I don't my insurance does cover it. That's it. They just cover it. Awesome. I don't know what kind of diagnosis. I mean, it's the same pharmacy is giving me all of my insulin, the pumps, the everything, all of the supplies, Dexcom and so I'm sure they're aware of everything that I'm getting and what my diagnosis
Scott Benner 43:13
is. What kind of industry does your healthcare come from?
Tara 43:16
My husband is, I don't know if I could say, No, I don't
Scott Benner 43:19
want you to tell me what he does. Like, is there an industry that you could say, without saying you, I mean, not real city of New York. Oh, he works for the state. Yeah,
Tara 43:30
he's retired from the city of New York.
Scott Benner 43:32
Oh, you got that good stuff?
Tara 43:34
Yes, it's excellent. It's awesome. Good
Scott Benner 43:37
for you. Yeah, I'm gonna knock on all my wood in front of you, for you, because that's really perfect. In your notes, it says, just healthcare, like, what do you want to talk about?
Tara 43:46
About healthcare? I did work in healthcare. This is actually a little bit about my type one diagnosis story, either, and how it threw me off a little bit mentally. I was working in a doctor's office. I was the in front office, and I really enjoyed my job, very small office, one doctor and us three ladies who worked in there. When I was diagnosed, I took some time off, which the doctor especially was fine with, even though now I look back and I see he I had told him right before that was the first time I ever had an A 1c in the sixes, it was actually 6.0 I don't know how it happened or how I did it, but I had told him. He was like, I guess kind of like my primary care. But I said, Oh, wow, Doc, I just got my a 1c results back, and it was a 6.0 and he said, Oh no, it shouldn't be a 6.0 you should keep it at least mid sevens. Oh, yeah. And I just thought, well, I thought I was doing great, you know, but whatever that's that's just something that I think about now that annoys me.
Scott Benner 44:55
Did he give you a reason why you would say that for lows?
Tara 45:00
He said 6.0 would mean that I'm having too many lows. And I was like, No, I'm not. I'm not having lows. I mean, I wasn't wearing Dexcom at the time either, so I don't really know if
Scott Benner 45:09
I was, but you didn't think you were. And when you said that to him, his response was,
Tara 45:12
he said, talk to your endocrinologist about that. So, oh,
Scott Benner 45:16
so you knew enough not to listen. Is that right? You were like, I'm not doing even at that
Tara 45:21
point, before I started listening to the podcast or reading the books or anything, I knew not to listen you
Scott Benner 45:26
still knew you were just like, I'm not going to choose poorer health, right? Did he put it in your head, the fear of the lows? Do you think? Or did you have it prior to that?
Tara 45:36
I did not have it prior to, I guess, the type one diagnosis when I finally got a Dexcom and put it on and realized what was happening.
Scott Benner 45:46
Yeah. Okay, so talk about that. How long into type one did you get a CGM?
Tara 45:50
It was only a couple of days, okay? And what did it teach you? It taught me, well, first of all about the lows, because I never really even knew that I was having them. I mean, sometimes I knew, like, I would feel a little dizzy and but I didn't know why. I didn't know that it was low blood sugar, and I never treated it, and thank God, never had any consequences from it. But when I started seeing it and knowing what was happening, it scared me a little bit.
Scott Benner 46:16
Yeah, yeah. No kidding, yeah. That is definitely stuck with you. Have you had a bad low? Like, have you had a low, like, where you were unable to help yourself?
Tara 46:24
No, no, no. And now my time and range is excellent. I have like, a 98% time and range with only, like, a 1%
Speaker 1 46:33
low. How did you accomplish that? I don't know.
Tara 46:37
I'm really good about pre bolusing. Usually it's like breakfast and lunch. I try to eat the same meal, so at least most of the day i i know how my blood sugar is going to react. It's always the dinner that will mess me up.
Scott Benner 46:53
Dinner message, because it why? Because you think you sit down afterwards, you're sedentary. It's a different kind
Tara 46:59
of food. It's usually my biggest meal of the day. And there is like, like, I'm Italian. We like to have pasta. I love pizza, like, just, you know, those kind of carb heavy meals I usually tend to have at dinner time.
Speaker 1 47:13
Okay, okay, all right. And you're learning to Bolus for that still, or you think you
Tara 47:19
I am still learning to Bolus for that gotcha, but I'm getting much better.
Scott Benner 47:23
What do you see happen that you're that you're trying to get on top of still, I still have that rise.
Tara 47:26
And, you know, it's so delayed, so sometimes I don't even know when it's gonna, you know, I'll think I handled it, and then six hours later it'll start again. So it's just kind of having to figure, Figure out
Scott Benner 47:40
I hear the Yeah, the timing of that next wave, yes, impact, right there. Gotcha, I'm sorry. You back on the tandem now I am, and it allows, did you do the upgrade to this software so you can do the extended boluses while staying in automation? I
Tara 47:56
did, and I don't know what kind of magic it's working, but
Scott Benner 47:59
it's you have a better success now with that, Oh, yeah.
Tara 48:04
And I don't even really know what it does, but
Scott Benner 48:07
well, so you're not using the extended boluses right now.
Tara 48:10
I'm using the extended Bolus, and I also figured out that I could use the temp basal at the same time I'm using the extended Bolus. Oh, so that has kind of helped a little bit with more of those, like, you know, longer rises,
Scott Benner 48:24
you found a way, with the with the tandem pump, to use the algorithm, the extended Bolus feature that they've added. And the way I talk about insulin on the podcast, you kind of like, smush the three things together, and you're doing it. Look at you, but you're in your 50s, right? Like you get diagnosed. What makes you think podcast? Or did it not? I don't know.
Tara 48:44
I just started doing some research on the internet, and I saw the podcast mentioned in a few places, yeah. So I found the Facebook page first, and then I started listening to the podcast. Okay? And
Scott Benner 48:57
then you just found something valuable, and then you started applying it and just kind of move from there. That's awesome. That's very cool. I mean, we're from the same area, so I don't seem objectionable to you. I guess.
Speaker 1 49:12
No, that's nice. How long did you live in the city?
Tara 49:15
I lived in the city. Well, I've been up here for 10 years now, so the majority of my life, 40
Speaker 1 49:22
years. Do you miss it? I do miss it. What about it?
Tara 49:26
Let me start by saying it's definitely not the same now, and I was just over the weekend back in Brooklyn. It's not the same, and it's not somewhere I would probably want to live. Now, of the six of us, my siblings, my one brother, is the only one still left in Brooklyn. Okay, we all kind of moved out. All of my friends moved out from it's, sadly, just not the place that it was when we were growing up. But I think that's probably everywhere, everywhere, yeah,
Scott Benner 49:56
yeah, yeah. I know when we moved I should probably not say this. Out loud, I know when we moved from home, and then, you know, we were, got rooted in our new place, and had been there for a couple of years. We went home one time, and we were driving down the street, and I just said to my wife, I was like, hey, was this place when we lived here? Or no? And she goes, I don't know. I've been wondering the same thing. I can't tell if our perspective has changed or if the place has changed, and we never really did figure it out, honestly, like, if it's just, you know what? I mean, like, it's hard to decide if it's you or if it's the place, or if it's maybe a little bit of both, or I never know. I mean,
Tara 50:39
we, we probably would have stayed. But my two of my sisters, my twin sister and another sister, had moved up here, and we were all very close. And I think my husband knew that he needed to be near your sister, that I wanted to be near
Scott Benner 50:53
them, yeah, yeah. Oh, it's nice. It's a nice area. Yeah, very nice. They have a little property. Or do like something you can sit out back of?
Tara 51:02
Yes, we do. We have a we have, I don't really even know how big it is. It's a good size. Yeah. And I have a little creek in my yard, and which my husband likes to tell me, you know, I always said I wanted to live on the water, so he gave that to me. My
Scott Benner 51:18
wife said, can we be near a beach? And I was like, I don't know. You keep telling me you want to be near an airport, in case you have to get the have to get to the kids. And I was like, You got to pick one. So, my gosh, do you see your children often? Yeah,
Tara 51:28
well, my oldest daughter just graduated from college in May. Oh, nice. So she's back home now. Yeah, you know, doing the job search. And so I feel bad it's so hard for kids now, and my youngest is in college, but she's going to community college. She commutes from home, so they're both home now.
Scott Benner 51:46
Are they having that experience where the thing that they're studying someone has said out loud, AI, is going to replace while they're studying
Tara 51:53
for it? I mean, I think so. Yeah, what a feeling. My youngest one is going for psychology. She ultimately wants to be like a therapist, like adolescent therapist. So I think there's always going to be a need for that. Yeah, the oldest one, we're not really sure was she studied English literature. She did great in school. The grades were outstanding. She was just published in a literary magazine, and she's having a hard time finding, you know, a niche or a place where she should be,
Scott Benner 52:24
yeah? I think it's going to be like that for a lot of people. Yeah. Really sucks. Yeah. And I know some of you are listening going, Well, Scott, stop using AI for things. But I mean, I'm by myself, like, it's the only way I get stuff done sometimes is to let it help me with things. Okay, well, that'll be fun. I'll enjoy an entire generation of kids, you know, not just saying I can't pay back my student loans, but I can't pay back my student loans, and the thing I know how to do doesn't exist anymore. Yeah,
Tara 52:53
well, we keep telling them, You stay home for as long as you know we don't. We love having them home, so we're like, you stay home as long as you can, as long as you want to, you know you're always welcome here. Hopefully they find something that they want to eventually leave and do. And
Scott Benner 53:09
yeah, when you say that, because we say that too to our kids, like, you don't have to rush out, but like, there's the party that knows that they're not really going to get going till they're on their own. Yeah? And there's the part of you that's like, Well, yeah, but if they stay here forever, I'll be happy. And then you have to find the balance between, like, I don't want them to leave, but they should leave. And then then the financial aspect of it, which is that can't really afford to leave. And, you know, that's another problem. Like, we're lucky enough to be able to, like, we have enough space for our kids to stay, you know, where they have their own broom? Yeah. And my son's trying so hard to, like, save money. I but I don't even know if he knows what he's saving it for, right? That's the interesting thing, too. You know what I mean? If you want to buy a house one day, and he's like, I don't
Tara 53:55
know. And they see now like that. They see now how much the bills really are like, when you're looking to Yeah, she sees her friends are getting entry level jobs, and, you know, they're making, like, about 60,000 and she's like, but how do you afford to pay for your rent and a car if you're driving to work or internet? And I'm like, yeah, that's, you know, you got to figure all that stuff out.
Scott Benner 54:19
Listen, mommy, found a sucker. Okay, and you call that sucker daddy, but I call him sucker, and he splits his money with me. I don't know why I'm meaning, like, how do you do it without, like, two incomes? Like, first of all, and how crazy is it that $60,000 leaves a person going, would I still be able to get internet? Yeah,
Tara 54:38
I know. Well, I mean the rent. I can't even believe how much rent when, when I got out of college, my rent on a two bedroom apartment was $800 a month. And I can't even believe how much these kids have to come out of pocket for. Now,
Scott Benner 54:52
it's crazy how they're gonna live in the city, that's for sure. But yeah, I swear to you, Mike,
Tara 54:56
even up here, even even where we live, the rents are about the same. It. Not too much
Scott Benner 55:01
cheaper, right? So you get that feeling like, so that's where I was with my son. I was like, Maybe you should just stay for years and save up enough money so you can put a down payment on something so that you don't because it's gonna be the same money monthly. It's the down payments. The difference usually could be so actually, you're not buying a not buying a mansion or anything like that. So I'm like, at least you'd own it, you know? And he's like, I don't know, do I want to own it? I'm like, Oh, my God, there's so many questions. I'm like, if you just do what I did and knock mom up, then you have to get a place. There's no way around it. Like, right? Like, now you have, like, you have roots all of a sudden, and now with the jobs are also remote. Like, that's even the other thing. Like, my son's like, well, I don't know. Do I want to tie myself down to a place? Because I could do this from anywhere? Yeah, yep. God, that's a good question. I don't know. I really don't know what to do. I don't even know how to explain it like I understood in the world I lived in. And if things would have changed even 30% from how I grew up, I would I would be valuable still, but yeah, so different. Now,
Tara 56:03
I had before my daughter, right before she graduated, I had said to my husband, you know, she if she decides to move out, you know, we better put a little money aside to help her, because she's going to need some help getting started. And he says he was mostly joking, probably 80% joking. He was like, you know, Tara, when does the when does the help stop? When do I slow down on the help?
Scott Benner 56:31
When can I take off on a Friday? I was wondering, yeah, how come I'm like, eating on a Saturday morning, trying to get my wits about me, and wondering when I'm going to cut that lawn and this, and think that, and go to I feel my wife says the same thing. Like, I There are days when I think like, we're doing our best to put money away for the future, but I'm like, Am I just gonna work until I die, and then just, there's gonna be whatever money's there gets split between my kids because I'd like to do something once. Yep, I grew up. Really broke down. I didn't do, like, we're going on vacation this weekend, and I am just focused on not feeling bad about that. Like, that's my whole week. Is, like, try not to feel bad that you're spending money to go on vacation. Yeah,
Tara 57:13
you can't feel bad about it. Yeah, you can't. My husband, I don't know if the situation was similar, but he grew up, really, with not very much, and I had a very nice, I wouldn't say we were rich, but we were very comfortable, especially for a family that had six kids. We did take vacations. We had nice things. My parents drove nice cars, and my husband did not have that. And now he retired from his first job, and he is working full time on a second job, and he wants to spend what we have. And then he says, I want to stay in the nice hotel. I want to go here. I you know, this is what I want to do,
Scott Benner 57:55
yeah, this is the money my whole life. Yeah? Well, tell him, I don't. I don't know how much money I have, but I have the same feeling like, you know, I swear to you, I think I said this out loud already, but I bought a pack of underwear the other day, and I felt like I splurged, because I got to the point where I lost I'm, by the way, I'm so proud of this, I had to buy medium underwear, or just, I just want to say how proud I am of that. I was like, okay, my underwear is baggy. It's not supposed to be. It's getting older, but it could last longer, but I'm gonna buy a pack four pairs of medium underwear. And I mean, as I pushed the button, I was like, Oh, I don't know. I don't really need these. Like, that's ridiculous, you know, like, I'm in my 50s, and I'm like, should I really be splurging like this? And that made me feel ridiculous. It also made me feel extra ridiculous when it showed up and I was excited.
Tara 58:51
I'm just laughing because it's almost the same thing. My husband saw that the underwear that he uses was on sale on Prime Day, and he told me to order
Scott Benner 59:01
them. I'm like, Hey, finally I can spend some money and not feel terrible about this. But I still felt that, like, as I ordered, I was like, I mean, it was like, I don't know. It was like, $24 and I thought, like, I really don't need this. That was me splurging. I was like, I'm doing it anyway. I'm gonna get underwear that fits. And then you think it was over, but then the package shows up. Somebody goes, What's this? And I was like, Oh, it's my underwear. People looked at me like, what's wrong with you? I was like, well, you obviously never made $4.50 an hour, but I have all right. Tara, what have we not talked about that we should have? Is there anything we missed about diabetes, your use of glps? Anything at all that you want to make? Make? No, no, I don't think so. Okay, your husband wearing boxers or briefs or boxer briefs? Do you want to say?
Tara 59:43
I guess they're boxer briefs. I guess that's what you would consider them.
Scott Benner 59:47
They're like shorts, but they're tight. Yes, that's what I used to tell them. I said, Hey, that's a weird club. Let's start a Facebook group for men who wear boxer briefs. See how many people. Get in there, I'm gonna guess none. And my last diabetes question for you is, you worry for your daughters at all. Do you mention it to them? Like, how do you deal with the idea that maybe they could end up with diabetes one day?
Tara 1:00:12
I'm trying not to cry because yes, I do. I do worry about it for them all the time. And they know they see me. They hear the podcast in the background, they know that there are genetics to it. I've tried to subtly mention, you know, the antibody testing, but
Speaker 1 1:00:31
they're young,
Tara 1:00:31
older and, yeah, I mean, they're over 18, so it's not like I'm going to be forcing them to do anything. And I don't think they would anyway. I think they're they'd rather not know until they have to know so well
Scott Benner 1:00:45
tell people about the worst part about parenting is when your kids are old enough to tell you no, but not old enough to pay for anything.
Speaker 1 1:00:52
Yeah, that is the worst,
Scott Benner 1:00:56
because you stop yourself from going like do you enjoy living here?
Tara 1:01:02
I can turn off that. Wi Fi,
Scott Benner 1:01:04
you love the free nature of your life. Could you just do this one thing without making a face at me? And then you realize, like, it's already a little unnatural that they still live at home, I think, and you want to let them continue to like separate because it's, it's good for them, but yeah, still, there's moments where you're like, ah, like, I broke my ass for this today, and, like, and now you're giving me, like, I loved it when you were nine. You just were like, Yeah, cool. I'll do that. Yeah, it's not a good thing. Like, it's interesting how parenting is shifting because of, mean, job market and economy and and everything else. It's a it's a new I was thinking about the other day, like it's a new generation of like, how people handle this time?
Tara 1:01:45
Yeah, I think I don't know. There's no. Well, I have this conversation with my sisters all the time because our kids are pretty much roughly around the same age. When do you stop paying their cell phone bill?
Scott Benner 1:01:58
Yeah? Well, I would guess now is the answer, yeah, I
Tara 1:02:01
know. I'm like, I don't know. I feel bad telling them like, you know, oh, by the way, next month, you're going to be hearing from Verizon, you know. But I feel like, at some point, I mean, when, when I was that age, I was pretty much paying all of my
Scott Benner 1:02:15
please, my we were just talking about the other day, like my wife was 22 when we got married. She was 25 when she was pregnant, the first time she was 30, the second time she was pregnant. Like we live in an apartment by ourselves when we were, I don't know, 21 something like that. It was expensive as almost $1,000 a month back then, like it was still it was a lot of money. You know, we were both working and, you know, we were grocery shopping and cleaning and learning how to be married, and we weren't good at that, like, you know, I mean, like, it's not like we had, like, great role models on that one. So we were, like, doing all that ourselves. Yeah, I mean, my son, we've transferred some of his larger bills to him, like, he handles his car, which is nice, but, I mean, he's still on my insurance, so he's probably paying less because of that, you know, like, food, like nobody asks for anybody to kick for food, you know. But that'd be sweet. Yeah, food's expensive, you know, electricity, like all the other stuff. Listen, I'm hoping that he's able to save up enough money that when he leaves, I won't feel guilty about it. I'll be like, Look, I did you solid. You got all this money that you were able to, like, save, like, you know, go forth and conquer. I'm not the one holding you back, for sure, at this point. I don't know such a weird thing, but I but the hardest part is that I resonate so much with the like, I don't really want them to go,
Tara 1:03:37
yeah, not tomorrow. But, you know that could change, because it's only been a few months since she's,
Scott Benner 1:03:46
like, maybe me and these girls are gonna have enough of each other, and that might be that, yeah, yeah, I do this. I have this. Tell me if this happens to you, and I'll let you go, like, sometimes, like, I see, like, my son's older than Arden, obviously, Arden still in college. Like, that's still kind of happening, but Cole's not and, like, sometimes he'll come over and be like, Hey, can you crack my back, like, something like that. And he likes to have his back crack like, so you're face to face, like, you reach behind him and kind of pull, pull his back up. And, like, afterwards, like, sometimes I'll hug him, and we'll stand there for a minute, you know, and then you stop, and I think I should have hugged him longer. He's gonna move out. Yeah, that feeling, I hate, that feeling, whatever that is, somebody put a name to that. I don't like that. Because the other thing is, if you hold on to him too long, he looks shit and he goes, What Are we dancing like it's over. Now, you know, but I don't know. I hate that
Tara 1:04:37
part anyway. Well, we recently, just like two weeks ago, my older daughter and I were just sitting around talking, and we had both for some reason, Boston came up, and we were both like, we should go to Boston. I haven't been in a long time. She's never been and my husband happened to walk in the door coming home from work, and. He's like, Hey, what's going on? We're like, Oh, we're just talking about how we want to go to Boston. And he was like, let's do it, you know, book a hotel, let we'll go next week. And after she left and went upstairs, I was like, Are you sure you want to do this? And he said, We don't know. How many more times are we going to have to do things like this where, yeah, where they're both not working yet. And he's like, everything's gonna change once they're out of the house and they're working full time, and it's not gonna be the same. So, like, it made
Scott Benner 1:05:30
sense, that's where we're at. I mean, like, I said we're going away this weekend. Like, I've traveled a lot for I mean, it's in technically, for business. I went on the cruise. I went to friends for life. Like, I have a talk at touch by type one coming up in September. I have a private speaking engagement I have in October, like, like, a lot of like, flying around and everything. And it would be so easy to tell you, like, I I would love to just stay home next week, but same exact thing, it's like, I don't know how many more times, like, we're all going to be available to do something like this together. So like, let's just go find a place where we can just chill out again, nothing exciting, even just like, a place to go relax and not be in a rush and spend time with each other. So, you
Tara 1:06:15
know, we take like, one long vacation every year. This just happened. It was like three nights we spent in Boston, and since we've come back. So it's been almost two weeks. All four of us, like that was the best trip we had the best time on. On that trip should have just done yeah, I'm glad we did it.
Scott Benner 1:06:31
Yeah, that's great. That's it. Well, that's what we're shooting for this week. So hopefully that all goes well. Yes, all right. Well, having said that, there's a long list of things in the refrigerator that my wife said I have to do before we leave. So I'm gonna say goodbye, and I'm gonna work on the podcast some more, and then I'm gonna get on my list. I don't know what to call this episode, but boxer brief seems appropriate. I was gonna say my husband, yeah, when your husband, your husband said, like, no, let's go to Boston. I was like, so soon after buying the boxer briefs. That's crazy. Oh, don't we need to recoup those funds first.
Tara 1:07:05
Actually, I think the boxer briefs were delivered while we were in
Scott Benner 1:07:09
Boston. That's hilarious. My God, all right, hold on. One second for me. Tara, thank you so much for doing this. I really appreciate
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