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Nurse practitioner and mother Danielle discusses managing her six-year-old’s T1D diagnosis while caring for a newborn, emphasizing the critical importance of mental health support for caregivers navigating medical trauma.

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Scott Benner (0:0) Hello, friends, and welcome back to another episode of the Juice Box podcast.

Danielle (0:12) Hi. (0:13) My name is Danielle. (0:14) I'm a mom of four girls. (0:16) And less than a year ago, I was learning to care for my newborn while learning how to manage my six year old type one diabetes.

Scott Benner (0:24) Alright. (0:24) Let's get down to it. (0:25) You want the management stuff from the podcast. (0:28) You don't care about all this chitting and chatting with other people. (0:31) Juiceboxpodcast.com/lists.

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Scott Benner (1:20) Nothing you hear on the Juice Box podcast should be considered advice, medical or otherwise. (1:24) Always consult a physician before making any changes to your health care plan. (1:29) This episode of the Juice Box podcast is sponsored by the Dexcom g seven, the same CGM that my daughter wears. (1:36) Check it out now at dexcom.com/juicebox. (1:41) The podcast is also sponsored today by Omnipod.

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Danielle (2:44) Hi. (2:44) My name is Danielle. (2:45) I'm a mom of four girls. (2:47) And less than a year ago, I was learning to care for my newborn while learning how to manage my six year old type one diabetes.

Scott Benner (2:55) Why does that happen like that all the time?

Danielle (2:57) It's both I mean, there's just really no other way to say it.

Scott Benner (3:02) Wait. (3:02) So your fourth was just born?

Danielle (3:05) And you

Scott Benner (3:06) and your what which number got diabetes?

Danielle (3:09) Yeah. (3:09) So my youngest was born in January 2025, so we're coming up on her first birthday soon. (3:17) And then three weeks later, we were in the ER with my oldest daughter, who's now seven, Eloise, with, diabetes.

Scott Benner (3:29) And Yeah. (3:29) Yeah. (3:30) Hold on a second. (3:31) You ran four of those things through there in seven years?

Danielle (3:34) Yeah. (3:35) I did. (3:36) Worked. (3:36) I I wasn't necessarily the plan. (3:40) I always knew I wanted, three or four.

Danielle (3:43) My husband wanted two, and you see how that worked out. (3:48) Yeah. (3:48) Just Daniel, hold

Scott Benner (3:49) on a second. (3:50) If you weren't planning to have four kids in that short of a an amount of time, then is it fair to say you don't have a plan about anything? (3:56) Or did you have a plan and you weren't able to keep up with it?

Danielle (4:00) No. (4:01) I'm a pretty big planner. (4:02) I just I knew I wanted four kids. (4:05) I didn't know that my fertility wasn't gonna be an issue. (4:10) Is that fair?

Danielle (4:11) I mean, I knew I wanted multiple children. (4:13) I just didn't realize that I was not gonna have a problem conceiving.

Scott Benner (4:19) Is your husband a super handsome man?

Danielle (4:21) He is a super handsome man. (4:23) Yeah.

Scott Benner (4:23) That's what I'm that's what I'm thinking. (4:24) Like a George Clooney type or more like Brad Pitt? (4:27) Where does he fall?

Danielle (4:28) More like a a rugged farm guy. (4:32) He's a veterinarian.

Scott Benner (4:33) Is he really?

Danielle (4:34) Yes.

Scott Benner (4:35) Yes. (4:35) Oh, so he's tough and and and tumble, but he's also kind to animals.

Danielle (4:39) Yes.

Scott Benner (4:40) And this and this does it for you?

Danielle (4:42) Yeah. (4:43) Absolutely.

Scott Benner (4:43) Alright. (4:44) Well, definitely makes babies for you. (4:45) That works.

Danielle (4:46) Yeah. (4:46) All girls too. (4:48) We don't have any white chromosomes.

Scott Benner (4:49) There's none. (4:50) Nowhere.

Danielle (4:51) Not zero.

Scott Benner (4:52) So okay. (4:53) Alright. (4:53) Fair enough. (4:54) How long after the birth of your last does the diagnosis story start?

Danielle (4:59) Three weeks.

Scott Benner (5:00) Oh, hell.

Danielle (5:01) Three weeks afterwards. (5:02) Yeah. (5:03) So my daughter's teacher is actually the one that brought all of this to our attention. (5:10) She had noticed that my daughter was going to the bathroom quite frequently at school. (5:15) Eloise is a very responsible six year old, so she knew she's not just going there as a kindergartner to, like, play in the sink and Mhmm.

Danielle (5:23) You know, goof around and things like that. (5:26) And so she had brought it to my attention on a Friday. (5:29) I watched it over the weekend. (5:30) I honestly didn't really notice anything. (5:33) And then when she went back to school the following week, I followed up with her teacher and was like, hey.

Danielle (5:38) Is it any better? (5:38) She said no. (5:40) So I took her to her pediatrician thinking, you know, this is probably a UTI. (5:44) That's what little girls get. (5:46) And I will never forget the look on the pediatrician's face after she had seen her UA results saying, hey.

Danielle (5:57) This is not a UTI. (5:59) She's got glucose and ketones in her urine, and I'm gonna need you to go over to children's hospital. (6:04) And me being a nurse practitioner and knowing just enough, I, you know, just I feel like time just froze. (6:14) Yeah. (6:14) I was like, what do you mean?

Danielle (6:16) What do mean I need to take my healthy six year old to the hospital?

Scott Benner (6:19) Yeah. (6:20) Are you holding a baby while you're having this conversation?

Danielle (6:22) Yes. (6:23) Yes. (6:23) I am.

Scott Benner (6:23) Are you still wearing diapers, or is that over at least?

Danielle (6:28) After four kids, I healed up pretty quickly the fourth time around. (6:31) Like, my body just knew.

Scott Benner (6:32) It just knows what to do. (6:33) You're fine.

Danielle (6:33) It knew what to do. (6:34) It knew how to heal. (6:36) Yeah. (6:36) So I'm holding my three week old, calling my husband, telling him he needs to get home because my mom was watching the other my other two daughters.

Scott Benner (6:45) Mhmm.

Danielle (6:45) Was like, you need to meet me up at the ER. (6:49) Eloise, they're telling me she has diabetes. (6:51) Oh my gosh. (6:53) He's like, what the hell are you talking about? (6:54) I was like, your guess is as good as mine.

Danielle (6:57) I I I really don't know. (6:58) I really don't know. (6:59) And so we're heading up there. (7:01) Her glucose in the ER was four sixty eight. (7:06) As a health care provider, I'm just like, how did I miss this?

Danielle (7:10) How did I not see this? (7:12) She was not in DKA. (7:13) Thank god. (7:14) We spent, two days in the hospital. (7:17) Yeah.

Danielle (7:18) But those two days, I'm sitting there, you know, feeding and nursing my newborn baby while also having to, like, relearn how to feed and care for my six year old. (7:30) It was really

Scott Benner (7:31) Jarring?

Danielle (7:32) A life altering conundrum.

Scott Benner (7:34) Imagine you have a a fair amount of, hormones running around inside you too.

Danielle (7:38) A thousand percent. (7:39) Yeah. (7:40) Yeah. (7:40) Not good. (7:41) Yeah.

Danielle (7:41) It just feels like a perfect storm between postpartum anxiety, postpartum depression, which are things that I've dealt with with all my pregnancies, and then medical trauma and the lack of sleep, and it was just like, all hitting at once. (7:57) It was it was something I don't ever wanna relive again. (8:00) No kidding. (8:01) That's for sure.

Scott Benner (8:01) No kidding. (8:02) I I wanted to point out how on top of things and observant the teacher must have been to catch it that early.

Danielle (8:09) Yes. (8:10) Yeah. (8:10) And I sing her praises day in and day out.

Scott Benner (8:15) I imagine.

Danielle (8:16) We have a phenomenal school nurse. (8:22) She is I mean, they're they're on top of it. (8:24) We my daughter goes to a small private school. (8:27) They're of the smaller number of kids that go to that school, there are four there's three other kids with type one there, all girls. (8:35) And our nurse, she is a rock star.

Danielle (8:39) We have a diet buddies group text with me, my husband, my daughter, the teacher, and our nurse, and we are

Scott Benner (8:47) in

Danielle (8:47) constant collaboration throughout the day. (8:51) I've I I I don't know that I could have been able to send her back to school without her teacher and without her, her nurse.

Scott Benner (8:57) Yeah. (8:58) I have to I I'd like to say to you too, like you said, I I don't know how I didn't see it, but it sounds like it was pretty early, and you were a little busy. (9:04) So

Danielle (9:05) Yeah.

Scott Benner (9:06) But she was at school.

Danielle (9:07) Gonna have four kids. (9:08) You it's okay to be busy, but you gotta notice if your kid's peeing constantly. (9:14) Right?

Scott Benner (9:14) What do you what do you feel do you feel badly about that?

Danielle (9:20) Yeah. (9:20) And I think it's because I am a health care professional. (9:23) Now granted, I work in the hospice arena. (9:26) I don't work with children most of the time. (9:28) And type one, embarrassingly enough, I just didn't have a lot of exposure to.

Danielle (9:34) Most of my training came, like, with many others, type two. (9:38) Type one is just kind of a, oh, that happens with kids and, you know, it is what it is. (9:43) I really never saw it. (9:44) Didn't have people in my in my circle. (9:47) Nothing.

Danielle (9:48) Nothing.

Scott Benner (9:48) I will act as the wizard for you, and I will grant you that you do not have to think about this anymore because I I don't think I don't I don't think it's worth giving yourself a little about.

Danielle (9:57) Carry the heavy guilt that I did early on. (10:00) I've I've made it past that. (10:02) But it is kinda you know, if anybody was gonna catch it, why wouldn't it have been me or her father who also has a

Scott Benner (10:09) Is it what's his name? (10:09) A doctor? (10:10) Yeah.

Danielle (10:11) He is. (10:12) He he he prescribes insulin to animals all the time.

Scott Benner (10:15) Tell people that's a good job. (10:16) Pays well. (10:17) Right? (10:17) Yeah.

Danielle (10:18) Ew. (10:18) Really? (10:19) Yes. (10:20) It does. (10:21) It does.

Danielle (10:22) But

Scott Benner (10:24) You got four kids.

Danielle (10:27) Yeah. (10:28) It it pays well enough.

Scott Benner (10:30) Well enough.

Danielle (10:30) But and let in in a perfect world, my husband would do strictly large animal. (10:35) The problem with that is people don't spend their money on their large animal. (10:39) If a cow gets sick, we'll throw this and that at them. (10:42) If it works, great. (10:43) If it doesn't, fine.

Danielle (10:44) The money is with folks and their small animals. (10:47) Oh. (10:48) They'll spend an arm and a leg on their foo foo dog. (10:52) You know? (10:54) Surely, the cat that that needs x, y, and z.

Danielle (10:58) You know? (10:58) People will spend more money on those type of animals. (11:01) So he does both, but I think he in a perfect world, he would he would strictly do large animal.

Scott Benner (11:07) Does he do any exotic animals? (11:09) No. (11:09) Oh, okay. (11:10) I can't use

Danielle (11:10) him now. (11:11) In the rural area that we're in, you we he wouldn't see that.

Scott Benner (11:15) Wouldn't see too much of

Danielle (11:16) often, I don't think.

Scott Benner (11:17) You guys don't keep reptiles in the Midwest?

Danielle (11:20) People have reptiles in the Midwest, but we're about an hour from any big city.

Scott Benner (11:26) Oh, you're rural rural.

Danielle (11:27) Yeah. (11:27) We're rural, rural. (11:30) Gotcha. (11:31) Yes.

Scott Benner (11:31) Someone showed me a house the other day that was, like, outside of the an area. (11:35) Was in a little rural spot. (11:37) It's like a brand new house at a very reasonable price on, like, 25 acres, and I thought, uh-huh. (11:41) Am I moving there?

Danielle (11:43) Yeah. (11:43) Yeah. (11:43) You're you're basically describing our our setup. (11:47) You know? (11:47) Yeah.

Danielle (11:48) A a decent sized house in a little piece of land, and it's quiet, and it's peaceful, and I'd recommend it to anybody.

Scott Benner (11:56) Is the is the Internet okay? (11:57) Can I can I make a podcast from there?

Danielle (11:59) I mean, can you hear me okay?

Scott Benner (12:01) You're making a fair point. (12:02) Okay.

Danielle (12:03) Yeah.

Scott Benner (12:03) I'm on my way. (12:04) Do I have to dodge a tornado, or am I good?

Danielle (12:06) You might. (12:07) You might. (12:08) It it had been weirdly warm here for December, January, and now we're finally getting winter weather. (12:16) But

Scott Benner (12:16) Does weirdly warm smell like tornadoes? (12:18) Is that what that means?

Danielle (12:19) Well, I mean, it could, but, I mean, 75 degrees in the Midwest on Christmas day is kind of

Scott Benner (12:26) Was it really?

Danielle (12:27) Unheard of. (12:28) Yeah.

Scott Benner (12:28) Can I say that I am not a weather scientist nor any other kind of scientist? (12:33) But I did find myself in a conversation recently with with a bunch of people who were like, is the weather pattern moving on the calendar significantly? (12:42) Do you know what I mean? (12:43) Like

Danielle (12:43) I don't know. (12:44) I mean, I always remember as a kid, there was always it was there was always snow on Christmas, and I can't remember the last time we've had a white Christmas here. (12:52) So

Scott Benner (12:52) No. (12:53) I'm telling you. (12:53) Knows. (12:54) I feel like it's gonna snow in June one day, but I won't be alive for it. (12:57) People will be like, oh, yeah.

Scott Benner (12:58) The weather's just circling the calendar. (13:00) Don't worry. (13:00) It's coming back. (13:01) Anyway Yeah. (13:02) I don't know anything about anything.

Scott Benner (13:04) I just wanna be clear. (13:05) That's how I ended up with the podcast. (13:07) Alright. (13:08) So when she's diagnosed Eloise, by the way. (13:11) Lovely name.

Danielle (13:12) Yes. (13:13) Thank you.

Scott Benner (13:13) Yeah. (13:13) Yeah. (13:13) Family name?

Danielle (13:14) No. (13:15) It just was a pretty name, and I feel like a lot of the older generation names have come back. (13:22) It was like we were it was Eloise. (13:24) It was Edith. (13:25) I really liked the name Edith.

Danielle (13:26) I liked the idea of baby Edie. (13:29) My husband was not about it at all. (13:33) He won. (13:34) We we settled on Eloise, and it fits her.

Scott Benner (13:37) It's lovely. (13:37) Fits her. (13:38) At her diagnosis, you have a little bit of a background in, you know, health care not directly with diabetes. (13:44) You're in the situation that you're in. (13:46) How do they treat you?

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Danielle (16:06) That's a good question. (16:07) I think there was a level of pity. (16:09) The diabetic educator, the main endocrinologist, and even the nurse that treated LOEs for a majority of the time were all type ones themselves.

Scott Benner (16:21) Oh.

Danielle (16:22) Yeah. (16:23) Which was really helpful in the sense, like, look at these folks. (16:28) They're living. (16:29) They're doing. (16:29) They're fine.

Danielle (16:30) They're you know, they're they've been able to accomplish so much and do so much. (16:34) But I think there was a level of pity as I'm sitting there breastfeeding this tiny baby with a big whiteboard in front of me of all the different things to to learn and do and know and calculate. (16:45) And I made it perfectly clear too. (16:47) Like, treat me like I know nothing because I really know nothing.

Scott Benner (16:50) Mhmm.

Danielle (16:50) Yes. (16:51) I have, you know, NP next to my name, but all of that goes out the window Yeah. (16:57) When it's your own kid.

Scott Benner (16:59) What about your feelings then? (17:00) Like, I I'd like to maybe stick more in that for a little while. (17:04) What was your response? (17:06) Did you pop up like, I can do anything, or was it more no. (17:10) No?

Danielle (17:11) No. (17:12) You're good. (17:12) I

Scott Benner (17:13) I'm sorry. (17:14) No.

Danielle (17:14) I would love to say that I rose to the occasion and that I was strong and resilient and just took it in stride, but I did not. (17:25) I did not.

Scott Benner (17:26) What happened?

Danielle (17:26) There in the beginning, my husband did most of it. (17:29) He did the Dexcom changes. (17:31) He did the insulin shots. (17:32) I did have to prove that I could do that before I left the hospital, of course, but I kind of fell off a cliff, so to speak. (17:40) I was in a really depressed place.

Danielle (17:44) And like I'd said before, I am somebody who has dealt with postpartum depression and postpartum anxiety. (17:51) And so to add this other layer in that really vulnerable time was heavy. (17:57) It was really heavy. (17:58) And I will say the fortunate piece for me was that because of my history, I was already set up with a therapist who I know and love. (18:08) Mhmm.

Danielle (18:08) And I had already been seeing a psychiatrist to keep things on track. (18:14) So I already had those resources in place and available, which I think made all the difference. (18:21) I didn't sit in that low place for long.

Scott Benner (18:24) Yeah.

Danielle (18:24) I did come out of it, but it was because I had help already established that I didn't have to go out and seek and ask for.

Scott Benner (18:33) Right. (18:33) It Danielle, and you had that stuff in place because you anticipated problems after the birth and you were ready for that?

Danielle (18:39) Yes.

Scott Benner (18:40) So a preplanner you are?

Danielle (18:42) Yes.

Scott Benner (18:42) Good for you. (18:43) Yes. (18:43) How many postpartum struggles did you have before you realized that you would need that kind of help?

Danielle (18:50) Oh, after Eloise. (18:52) It it happened full throttle with my first.

Scott Benner (18:54) Gotcha. (18:55) And you've been at it since and is it a thing you continue through the year or you just yeah. (18:59) Honestly, four kids in seven years, maybe it's just continued all But

Danielle (19:02) couldn't have been that scared

Scott Benner (19:03) Yeah.

Danielle (19:04) Yeah. (19:04) To have more babies. (19:04) Exactly. (19:05) Continue to have more babies.

Scott Benner (19:06) Do you continue the mental health support in between, or do you just kinda launch back into it at the births?

Danielle (19:13) No. (19:14) No. (19:14) I have kept up with my therapist and intermittently with my psychiatrist to make sure that I am okay. (19:25) Because if we we as parents, if we're not okay, our kids certainly aren't gonna be okay.

Scott Benner (19:30) How do you characterize their value to you and what they provide and and how it helps you?

Danielle (19:35) They're an unbiased opinion. (19:38) They're an un you know, they don't know my child. (19:41) They don't know my husband. (19:42) They just know me. (19:44) And especially now being with these certain providers for a while now, they have been able to get to know me on a visceral level and help me establish tools to appreciate the feelings that I have and acknowledge them and then also let them go.

Scott Benner (20:04) K. (20:05) That's not and that's valuable for you. (20:07) That that really, like, lightens you or gives you better outlooks? (20:11) How does it what how do you feel when it's over?

Danielle (20:13) Yeah. (20:13) Because, I mean, I I get myself into these, like, rumination, these what if situations, these Mhmm. (20:21) Worst case scenario things. (20:22) And and three, four, five, six years ago, I would have sat with those feelings of worry and pain and anxiety. (20:30) And today, while those things still happen, they're more like blips on my radar and not all encompassing anymore.

Scott Benner (20:40) Were you anxious prior to your first baby?

Danielle (20:42) Yes. (20:43) Yeah. (20:44) I I've always been a a nervous person. (20:46) I've always had issues with, like, restlessness and my mood being labile and having this certain temperament of things didn't go my way, and I would immediately feel, like, either a failure or, just not worthy. (21:04) And then in the midst of Eloise's diagnosis and all of these children here as of, like, seven, eight months ago, I was given the diagnosis of ADHD.

Danielle (21:17) And at first I was like, that's a crock of shit. (21:20) That's a hoax. (21:22) You know, I can sit in a chair. (21:24) I don't I'm not somebody who can't have a conversation. (21:27) I'm not, you know, have all this outward energy.

Danielle (21:31) I was never the kid in school that couldn't sit in their chair and things. (21:35) But, apparently, from what I'm told, us millennial women are kind of the lost generation. (21:41) We were of girls who were more inattentive and not hyperactive. (21:48) And so I have since started medication for that, and it has been life changing. (21:55) How?

Danielle (21:56) I can have singular thoughts now. (21:58) I don't have racing thoughts of going over here, doing this, needing this, going there, doing this, whatever. (22:03) It's also helped with Eloise's management. (22:07) There were times early on where I would give her insulin and forget to remind her to come eat because we pretty early on, we got into the prebolising. (22:16) So I would bolus her, and then she would run off to go play because she's a six year old kid, and I would forget to tell her to come back and eat.

Danielle (22:25) And there were a couple funky moments where it got a little scary.

Scott Benner (22:29) Yeah. (22:29) Yeah. (22:29) Tell me something. (22:30) Is it, the racing thoughts is there's a thousand things to do? (22:34) You have to get to every one of them.

Scott Benner (22:35) I did one, do the next one, do the next one, like that feeling?

Danielle (22:38) Yes. (22:39) Yes. (22:39) Or, like, I'm doing the dishes, and then I'll see something on the counter. (22:42) I'm like, oh, I didn't put that away. (22:43) I better pick that up.

Danielle (22:44) And then I pick that up, and I go take it to the other room. (22:46) I'm like, why didn't this get done? (22:48) And so then I don't actually finish that project, and I go on to the next one. (22:53) And then I feel like I've been busy all damn day, and nothing actually got accomplished.

Scott Benner (22:58) Is the water still running three hours later from the dishes? (23:01) Or

Danielle (23:01) Yeah. (23:02) I mean, it truly, truly, that's happened before.

Scott Benner (23:05) Wow. (23:06) And that's been your whole life, but it is it Yeah. (23:08) Has it worsened as you've had kids?

Danielle (23:10) Yes. (23:11) Yeah. (23:11) Yes. (23:12) Oh my. (23:13) Oh, you Oh my.

Danielle (23:15) It's right.

Scott Benner (23:15) There's not a big hole dug out back, is there? (23:17) Because that's for you. (23:18) He's gonna push you right in it. (23:20) And and you go, oh, she fell. (23:21) Kids, new mommy's on her way.

Scott Benner (23:23) Don't worry about it. (23:25) But I'm glad to hear that what you figured out is helping a lot. (23:28) Tell me what that drug is called immediately so I can sprinkle it on my on my wife. (23:32) What's it called?

Danielle (23:35) You really wanna know?

Scott Benner (23:36) I mean, yeah. (23:36) Of course, I do.

Danielle (23:37) Yeah. (23:37) Well, I so it's the generic version of Concerta.

Scott Benner (23:41) Okay.

Danielle (23:41) It's a methylphenidate is the generic version of it.

Scott Benner (23:45) So it speeds you up to slow you down? (23:46) Is that the idea?

Danielle (23:47) Well, I think from what I understand, someone who takes some kind of stimulant like that who does not have ADHD would be sped up and, you know, hyper focused and things like that. (23:58) For me, the first time I took it, I fell asleep. (24:02) It it was like everything got calm. (24:06) Everything slowed down. (24:07) Oh, interesting.

Danielle (24:08) Just felt at ease. (24:11) And to the point where, like, my temperament even towards my kids, I was more patient. (24:16) And you can imagine with four kids running around seven and under, it's loud Yeah. (24:21) Around here. (24:22) There's a lot of external stimulation that can get to you as a parent.

Danielle (24:26) And, yeah, I just felt more I feel more patient and understanding, and I'm not over, like, exerted and overstimulus or just all over the place all the time.

Scott Benner (24:38) What's doctor Doolittle's feedback on that? (24:40) How has he noticed it?

Danielle (24:42) Oh, same thing. (24:43) Yeah. (24:43) I sleep. (24:44) I mean, I wasn't sleeping. (24:46) I there early on, I was I would sit with the Dexcom follow app on my phone and I just my thumb got quite the workout.

Danielle (24:53) Just refresh, refresh, refresh

Scott Benner (24:55) Jeez.

Danielle (24:56) Thinking she's gonna, you know,

Scott Benner (24:58) worst case scenario I die. (24:59) She's gonna die like this, like, over and over again.

Danielle (25:01) Oh my gosh. (25:01) That that rumination, that constant can't pull myself out.

Scott Benner (25:06) Is this a family trait? (25:07) Your mom, your dad, anybody else like that?

Danielle (25:09) No. (25:10) I was blessed with it all on my own.

Scott Benner (25:12) It's all mine, Scott.

Danielle (25:13) Yep. (25:14) It's all mine. (25:14) I wouldn't I mean, I am estranged from my father. (25:17) I haven't seen or heard from him since I was 19 by choice. (25:22) And so who knows what he's up to these days, but Okay.

Danielle (25:26) My mom does not deal with this kind of stuff. (25:28) Okay. (25:28) I think my and I have one brother. (25:31) He's a pretty laid back kinda guy too.

Scott Benner (25:33) So Yeah. (25:34) Who

Danielle (25:34) I don't know.

Scott Benner (25:35) Let me ask the big question here. (25:37) Autoimmune issues throughout your family line, husband's side, your side? (25:40) I'm looking for thyroid, celiac, anything like that. (25:45) Vitilago.

Danielle (25:46) Yeah. (25:47) So, personally, I was diagnosed with Graves' disease in my twenties. (25:53) I ended up in the ER with tremors and uncontrollable vomiting, and they checked my TSH. (26:00) And they're like, so how long have you had thyroid problems? (26:02) It's like, news to me, buddy.

Scott Benner (26:03) Like Ten seconds.

Danielle (26:05) Yeah. (26:05) As a I know as much as you do. (26:08) I hooked up with an endocrinologist, and this was before children and before marriage. (26:13) And so what was brought to me was that in order I was told it was easier to conceive and have children with hypothyroidism than hyperthyroidism. (26:25) The medication regimen was easier and that was what they recommended I do.

Danielle (26:30) So I underwent radioactive iodine treatment.

Scott Benner (26:35) Okay.

Danielle (26:35) Basically killed my overactive thyroid, so I don't really have thyroid function now.

Scott Benner (26:41) How old was this again? (26:42) I'm sorry.

Danielle (26:42) I was 27.

Scott Benner (26:45) Okay. (26:45) You were nervous Seven. (26:46) Prior to that?

Danielle (26:47) Yeah. (26:48) I I I've always been a hypervigilant kind of person.

Scott Benner (26:52) Yeah. (26:52) Because your like, thyroid's got a lot to do with your anxiety.

Danielle (26:55) Sure.

Scott Benner (26:55) Yeah. (26:56) Absolutely. (26:56) Right. (26:57) So

Danielle (26:57) Absolutely. (26:58) I took the radioactive iodine, killed off my thyroid, and have been on Synthroid or Levothyroxine ever since.

Scott Benner (27:05) Mhmm.

Danielle (27:07) Don't have celiac or I wouldn't know because I don't wanna do a colonoscopy right now or an endoscopy to to have the final say so. (27:15) But I have had lab work and stool tests that say that I have a gluten allergy, but the only way to really see if it's celiac is to have more procedures when, in my mind, the treatment is still the same. (27:29) So I don't eat gluten, and I feel better because of it.

Scott Benner (27:32) Oh, awesome. (27:33) Has that helped anything else besides your belly and your pooping?

Danielle (27:36) Yeah. (27:38) It's helped acne. (27:39) I feel like it's made it easier to lose baby weight.

Scott Benner (27:43) Okay. (27:43) Awesome. (27:44) There's a lot to learn here. (27:45) What else is wrong with you, Danielle?

Danielle (27:48) I don't think anything else. (27:50) I don't think so. (27:51) And then as far as autoimmune stuff, other than what I got going on, my mother-in-law has, hypothyroidism. (28:00) Mhmm. (28:01) But that

Scott Benner (28:02) That's about it.

Danielle (28:02) To my knowledge is about it.

Scott Benner (28:04) Alright. (28:04) Let's go past autoimmune. (28:05) You know, are you related to any people with bipolar disorder?

Danielle (28:08) Undiagnosed? (28:09) I would say my dad. (28:13) Okay. (28:13) Maybe he's gotten that diagnosis since I was 19. (28:16) Most

Scott Benner (28:17) people answer that question with, I do know some people with undiagnosed bipolar.

Danielle (28:21) Yeah. (28:21) Yeah. (28:21) I I think I know, yeah, one one person.

Scott Benner (28:25) I'm diagnosing them right now in case you're wondering.

Danielle (28:27) Yes. (28:28) Yes.

Scott Benner (28:29) The last person that said it to me was like, well, I'm not a mental health professional, so I shouldn't say this. (28:33) But I was like, well

Danielle (28:35) Well, I'm a health care professional, so I feel inclined to say it.

Scott Benner (28:39) Okay. (28:40) Alright. (28:41) Let's see. (28:42) Are we gonna have any of the kids tested to see if they have antibodies?

Danielle (28:47) We did do that. (28:48) And as of right now, they are all negative. (28:50) I'm negative for antibodies, and my husband is also negative for antibodies.

Scott Benner (28:55) Awesome. (28:55) Awesome. (28:55) That's good news.

Danielle (28:56) But part of me, I did not realize that that was something that they were gonna have to continue doing. (29:03) I just I I think it gives me a false sense of security. (29:06) Like, they don't have antibodies today, so they're not gonna be type one, but that's not the case. (29:11) It could still happen in the future, and I hate that feeling.

Scott Benner (29:14) Well, try try thinking about the other feeling where they didn't have any, and then just pretend that's how it works and just move on.

Danielle (29:21) So lie to myself.

Scott Benner (29:22) I mean, it does work.

Danielle (29:24) Like, especially Okay. (29:26) Okay.

Scott Benner (29:26) Especially for the uncontrollable stuff. (29:28) Right?

Danielle (29:28) Yeah. (29:29) Yeah. (29:30) You're right. (29:30) You're right. (29:30) Please.

Danielle (29:31) So my kids don't have type one, and my other kiddos don't, and they just probably never will. (29:36) We'll just we'll just go with that.

Scott Benner (29:37) Yeah. (29:38) Exactly. (29:38) There you go. (29:39) Yay.

Danielle (29:39) Let's go with it.

Scott Benner (29:40) Sick your head really far down in the sand. (29:42) Just all the way down. (29:43) Got it. (29:43) But till you just look like an ostriches. (29:46) Oh, what a great title for your episode.

Danielle (29:49) Ostrich?

Scott Benner (29:49) Ostrich.

Danielle (29:50) Love it.

Scott Benner (29:53) Oh, that can't end up being the title, but it could. (29:55) There's no way to know really. (29:57) Or I guess there is a way to know. (29:59) I'm the one that makes up the titles.

Danielle (30:00) I was gonna say, do I have any say in this?

Scott Benner (30:02) Not really. (30:02) No.

Danielle (30:03) Okay. (30:03) Okay. (30:04) Thanks for your honesty.

Scott Benner (30:05) Yeah. (30:05) Yeah. (30:05) The other day, I said something, and a woman just went, please don't call it that. (30:09) And I just giggled at her. (30:11) Was like

Danielle (30:12) Yeah. (30:12) You'll find out

Scott Benner (30:13) soon. (30:14) But we didn't. (30:15) I didn't. (30:15) It was I in fairness to her, I I felt the same way when I said it. (30:21) How have you found I mean, we're this is a year.

Scott Benner (30:24) Right? (30:24) You're just

Danielle (30:24) Yeah.

Scott Benner (30:25) A year into this.

Danielle (30:25) It'll be a year February 5.

Scott Benner (30:27) You're not even a year yet. (30:28) Okay. (30:29) So do you leave the hospital with CGM? (30:32) Does it take or do you have to get it? (30:34) Does she use a pump?

Danielle (30:36) So How do you manage? (30:36) So, initially, we were leaving the hospital with a prescription for a CGM, and I think our lovely nurse educator could just see in my eyes the fear of, like, not having knowing that that technology existed and not having it right then and there as I go home with all these other things going on in my life

Scott Benner (30:57) Yeah.

Danielle (30:58) That she happened to, quote, find an extra one in a storage closet somewhere.

Scott Benner (31:06) She's like, these four kids are gonna end up in the river if we don't give her a CGM.

Danielle (31:10) I don't

Scott Benner (31:10) help this woman out.

Danielle (31:12) So she ended up finding one in a random place, so to speak, and helped us hook it up, put it on her for the first time, get us set up with the Follow app, got us set up to be transferring all of her information to our now endocrinology team, and got all of that squared away before we left.

Scott Benner (31:34) No. (31:34) That's wonderful.

Danielle (31:35) And I am eternally grateful because from what I've heard and listened to, that is generally not the case.

Scott Benner (31:41) It can be tough depending on the institution and insurance and a lot of things, but I would prefer to

Danielle (31:47) We're about an hour away from, like, a a a top 20 endocrinology

Scott Benner (31:52) Yeah.

Danielle (31:53) Program, and so I think that that makes a difference too.

Scott Benner (31:57) So as overwhelming as all this has been, like, how well did you pick it up? (32:02) And because it's funny because I feel like you're trying to say you didn't do a great job with it. (32:07) You put it on your husband at first. (32:08) Maybe you checked out a little bit. (32:10) But at the same time, you're listening to podcasts.

Scott Benner (32:12) It's a year later, you're already talking about it. (32:14) And this is a little bit of a an inside thing that other people listening won't know. (32:18) But before you and I started recording, I asked everybody the same thing. (32:22) I like, is there any questions you wanna ask me now that, you know, you don't want recorded? (32:26) And some people have a question.

Scott Benner (32:28) Some people say no. (32:30) Some people have a little nervousness about how the process works. (32:33) And you you were kind of like, well, you'll prompt me along. (32:36) Right? (32:36) Like, I won't have to carry this conversation.

Scott Benner (32:38) But, Danielle, do you realize that if I just went, what's your name? (32:41) And then came back an hour from now, you'd still be talking? (32:45) Like, I don't need you you didn't need me at all.

Danielle (32:48) Well, that's that's reassuring. (32:50) I

Scott Benner (32:52) But wait. (32:52) Let me finish my thought. (32:53) No. (32:54) Yeah. (32:54) Yeah.

Scott Benner (32:54) But let me finish my thought. (32:55) So I'm wondering if that idea translates over to the diagnosis. (33:00) Did you start with, oh, gosh. (33:01) I don't know what I'm doing. (33:03) Help me along.

Scott Benner (33:04) But then you just, like, jumped in and took over and figured it out. (33:07) Is that what happened?

Danielle (33:07) Yeah. (33:08) Because as diabetic parents, I mean, you don't really have a choice. (33:12) You can't sit there.

Scott Benner (33:14) But, Danielle, it's your personality. (33:15) How do you not know that about yourself? (33:16) And I figured it out in thirty one minutes and four seconds.

Danielle (33:21) I I don't I don't know. (33:23) I I know I'm a resilient person.

Scott Benner (33:25) Mhmm.

Danielle (33:26) I know I'm a I'm definitely a plan ber. (33:30) If the things don't work out initially, I'll find a way to make it to to accomplish it.

Scott Benner (33:36) Oh, I was gonna say you're definitely not a plan b person because you have four kids. (33:40) But you meant a different

Danielle (33:41) out. (33:42) I I'll find plan b, c, d, e, f.

Scott Benner (33:44) You are a 100% not following you are a 100% not following my joke about that that day after pill. (33:49) But but but no. (33:53) No. (33:53) No. (33:53) So okay.

Scott Benner (33:54) So if first you don't succeed, Danielle tries again?

Danielle (33:58) Yeah. (33:59) Okay. (33:59) Yeah. (33:59) I mean and and looking at my daughter, she's doing it, so I can do it.

Scott Benner (34:04) Okay. (34:05) But why didn't you know that's how you were gonna be when it happened?

Danielle (34:08) I think hormones play a lot into that. (34:11) You know? (34:12) You're you're a different person postpartum than you are, you know, a few months out or a few few weeks further out than then. (34:20) Mhmm. (34:20) And it you're still just in a state of shock.

Danielle (34:22) Like, I didn't wanna believe it. (34:24) Like, if I didn't start doing things, maybe it would just not be true of living in this kind of, like, fantasy time. (34:31) Oh. (34:32) Oh, couldn't be true. (34:33) This is no way my healthy six year old who's active and smart and the kindest person in the world.

Danielle (34:41) There's no way this is actually happening.

Scott Benner (34:43) So if I don't dive into it, it's not real.

Danielle (34:45) Yeah. (34:46) Yeah. (34:46) See. (34:46) I think so.

Scott Benner (34:47) Other things in your life, you dive in, conquer, move on?

Danielle (34:51) Yeah. (34:52) Pretty much.

Scott Benner (34:53) Yeah. (34:53) Yeah. (34:54) Yeah.

Danielle (34:54) Yeah. (34:54) I I try that is the whole reason for me doing the podcast or wanting to be a guest on here is to get out of my comfort zone. (35:01) This isn't necessarily something I would normally do, but I wanna face a fear, try something new. (35:08) I think us in our thirties and forties and fifties, we don't do that as often as we get older, do things we're not comfortable with, do things that are not in our wheelhouse. (35:18) And I I think

Scott Benner (35:19) I didn't know being on the podcast was a bucket list thing for people.

Danielle (35:22) That's cool. (35:23) Kind of.

Scott Benner (35:23) I do it every day, so I don't, like it doesn't strike me that way. (35:27) Like, the idea of, like, saying I mean, you've probably heard some recent episodes where I've said stuff about my own, like, health, and it just doesn't even, like almost doesn't occur to me to be I don't even really think about the fact that other people are listening to it to me.

Danielle (35:40) Yeah. (35:41) She's at it for a long time. (35:42) Kinda surreal when this comes out and I hear my own voice coming across Spotify.

Scott Benner (35:47) Yeah.

Danielle (35:47) It's gonna be a really bizarre feeling, I'm sure.

Scott Benner (35:50) By the way, you are my first recording of my twelfth year of doing this.

Danielle (35:54) Fantastic. (35:55) I feel special.

Scott Benner (35:56) Thank you. (35:56) I you you certainly are. (35:57) I can't believe it's still happening. (35:59) The people who do business with me or work with me, I constantly are laughing at me because every time we're on a call, I say, listen. (36:06) Obviously, this is almost over.

Scott Benner (36:10) Crumble and fall apart any day now. (36:12) You know? (36:13) I'm doing my best to keep it going, blah blah blah. (36:15) And they're just like, yeah. (36:16) Every year, Scott.

Scott Benner (36:17) Every year you say this to me. (36:18) And I'm like, I I know, but and I wonder if that's not how I keep myself moving and motivated by feeling like someone's about to take it from me. (36:26) You know?

Danielle (36:26) Yeah. (36:27) For sure. (36:27) Yeah. (36:28) I we were fortunately, I mean, we got the same advice from endocrinology that I think most people get where the first idea was have her eat and dose her insulin within thirty minutes. (36:43) You know?

Danielle (36:44) And then you'd see that big rise to three hundreds, and sometimes it would come down, and sometimes it wouldn't. (36:49) That brought about anxiety. (36:52) And I think that too was a motivator. (36:54) Like, there's gotta be a better way. (36:55) There's no way that I'm gonna allow my kid to live with these 300 blood sugars and watch her mood change and think about all the the negativity that could come from this long term.

Danielle (37:10) And so I was talking to another first grade mom or kindergarten mom at the time, and she got me in contact with a basically, friend of a friend who had been listening to your podcast. (37:23) So I was exposed to Juice Box probably three weeks in three or four weeks into diagnosis.

Scott Benner (37:28) Quickly.

Danielle (37:29) It started with bold beginnings and hearing the the contradiction between what we were getting from endocrinology and what other folks were doing. (37:41) And so then I was like, hey, husband. (37:43) Listen to this. (37:44) What do you think? (37:45) We were still MDI then, doing our best.

Danielle (37:49) She got on, tandem Moby in April. (37:53) So she was in February diagnosed, and by April, we were on a pump.

Scott Benner (37:57) Okay.

Danielle (37:57) And that was that was a a crucial helping point too.

Scott Benner (38:03) Where'd you get the confidence to listen to a podcast and take it seriously? (38:07) Was it by giving it to your husband and having him fact check it?

Danielle (38:10) Yeah. (38:11) Or or or just hearing all these other people find so much wins. (38:18) I mean, they were they were seeing that other people could bring a one c's down from the highest of highs down to sixes and fives. (38:25) I mean, I want that for my daughter too.

Scott Benner (38:27) Right.

Danielle (38:28) There's gotta be there's gotta be some truth to this if if multiple people are finding success with it.

Scott Benner (38:35) Good. (38:35) Did you find the Facebook group, or did you not?

Danielle (38:38) Like many people, I lurk on there. (38:41) I don't personally have Facebook because of my profession. (38:45) I used to work in family medicine, and I was having I was having patients try to add me on Facebook and ask for scripts via DM. (38:58) So unprofessional. (38:59) And then I got to thinking, you know, I don't want these people to know what my children look like.

Scott Benner (39:05) Oh, oh, I see.

Danielle (39:06) Just this is this is this is not okay. (39:09) So I don't have social media.

Scott Benner (39:12) I gotcha.

Danielle (39:12) My husband does. (39:13) And so I had him get in on groups

Scott Benner (39:15) and stuff. (39:16) So go in through his account?

Danielle (39:18) Yeah. (39:18) We lurk together the time where we posted about insulin. (39:24) Our daughter had to change from Humalog to NovoLog, and it has been really crazy because we've had to use less insulin and less pre bolus with NovoLog. (39:34) It's been a real game changer for her, and I was just curious if other people had found that to be true as well. (39:41) Trying a different insulin, they react better or worse to them.

Danielle (39:45) Mhmm. (39:46) So that was kind of our big question. (39:48) But

Scott Benner (39:48) Very nice.

Danielle (39:49) Other than that, I just lurk and listen and

Scott Benner (39:51) I like that you're coupled you're coupled up lurking.

Danielle (39:54) Yeah. (39:55) Exactly. (39:55) Very nice.

Scott Benner (39:57) So does he listen as well, or do you? (40:00) Just you?

Danielle (40:01) At this point, after we had listened to, like, the tips and tricks and bold beginnings and all the things about pre bolusing and fat and protein and kinda got a grasp on that Mhmm. (40:14) That's kinda where he has stopped. (40:16) I still listen to people's experiences. (40:21) It's been helpful to listen to the ones where you talk about how you would look in bolus for certain foods.

Scott Benner (40:29) Oh, good. (40:29) Good. (40:30) Yeah. (40:30) I'm getting a lot of good feedback about those.

Danielle (40:32) I do enjoy that. (40:33) Good. (40:33) I do enjoy that because as Eloise grows, there's gonna be more and more variables to think about. (40:40) I mean, she's she's very active, and so we're still learning how to like soccer. (40:46) She's a soccer superstar.

Danielle (40:48) But with soccer, she'll drop low, she'll go high, and we're trying to find a way to keep her in the games longer. (40:56) You know?

Scott Benner (40:57) My idea with the bolus four episodes, if talking about diabetes, the big picture about it, slowly helped people understand it and got them to a point where they were just like, oh, you know, I kinda know what I'm doing now. (41:08) Everything feels comfortable when stuff happens. (41:10) You know, I I tend to make good decisions and my outcomes are, you know, are are matching up. (41:16) I thought, what if we had like, what if we did that about bolusing? (41:19) Like, just had conversations just about bolusing.

Scott Benner (41:22) I wonder if that would rub off on people and then eventually, they just bump into the different foods and be, you know, just kind of not not thinking about the the steps and the and, you know Yeah. (41:32) The the complexity of it.

Danielle (41:34) In the beginning, I mean, it's like, I'll never forget. (41:37) We're driving home from the hospital after her diagnosis, and she wanted a bag of Teddy Grahams. (41:41) And I've are poison. (41:43) Well, I've been told how many ways in the last two days don't restrict. (41:49) Right?

Danielle (41:49) Let them eat what they wanna eat. (41:51) Don't I'm like, okay. (41:52) Yeah. (41:53) Eat these teddygrams. (41:54) So what do I do?

Danielle (41:55) I give her the half unit that was required for the amount of carbs for these tenigrams, and I watch her blood sugar go up to 400. (42:05) And I'm like, well, hey now, Toles. (42:08) You just told me

Scott Benner (42:10) I know.

Danielle (42:10) That if I do the insulin and count the carbs, that this kind of crap's not gonna happen. (42:16) Just the the naivety of it all.

Scott Benner (42:18) Yeah. (42:18) Here here's a message for all your hospital staff. (42:21) Why do you give people graham crackers? (42:23) What is wrong with you?

Danielle (42:25) Right.

Scott Benner (42:26) And and by the way, JDRF, formerly JDRF whatever in Philadelphia, why do you fresh soft pretzels at the wok? (42:33) Like, is it just to be cruel? (42:35) Are you like, hey. (42:36) Here's a bunch of newly diagnosed people. (42:37) Let's give them a fucking soft pretzel.

Scott Benner (42:41) Look at them.

Danielle (42:42) Wow. (42:43) Wow. (42:44) Now go walk off that Yeah.

Scott Benner (42:46) Excess of

Danielle (42:47) that blood sugar.

Scott Benner (42:47) Go for a walk and see if you don't end up with a 400 blood sugar anyway because you don't know what you're doing and you're in a panic exercising. (42:53) I mean, seriously, there's a couple of graham crackers at hospitals and soft pretzels at walks. (42:59) Like, what is I mean, there ought to be a table that says, do you know what you're doing? (43:04) If so, look behind the curtain, and behind the curtain is a pretzel. (43:07) Right?

Scott Benner (43:08) Because every if you're not from around here, you don't know. (43:11) Those soft pretzels are they're perfect. (43:13) I mean, they hit they hit you right in the core of your whatever the part of your brain is that makes you feel like you're having an orgasm while you're eating. (43:19) A hot soft pretzel with a little salt on top, little yellow mustard. (43:24) Are you kidding me?

Scott Benner (43:25) And now the places around here, do you know they sell cinnamon sugar to dip them in?

Danielle (43:30) Good. (43:30) Awesome.

Scott Benner (43:31) And cream. (43:32) I don't get any of that, by the way. (43:34) Even I don't understand a chocolate pretzel if I'm being honest. (43:37) Nah. (43:37) Yeah.

Scott Benner (43:38) Pretzel needs not it needs mustard. (43:39) It doesn't need anything else. (43:41) Yellow. (43:41) You have

Danielle (43:42) a cheese dip even?

Scott Benner (43:43) No. (43:43) What am I? (43:44) A monster? (43:44) It's a pretzel. (43:45) It's already perfect.

Scott Benner (43:47) Okay? (43:47) As a matter of fact, if I talk about it for three more seconds, I'm gonna end up with one today. (43:51) So we have to stop right now because I'm going out. (43:54) I'll be driving past the place. (43:55) You guys should move here.

Danielle (43:57) You can eat a pretzel and get a massage at the same time.

Scott Benner (44:00) These people don't know I'm getting a massage today, Danielle, but you just, like, told them.

Danielle (44:05) I forgot I wasn't recording If

Scott Benner (44:07) I ate a pretzel while being massaged, you don't think the person doing it would call the police? (44:13) They'd be like, there's a lunatic in here eating a he's asking for mustard. (44:17) Please come help me. (44:19) And not brown mustard. (44:21) He said that's disgusting.

Scott Benner (44:22) Oh. (44:23) Oh my god.

Danielle (44:24) Sorry about that.

Scott Benner (44:25) No. (44:25) Alright. (44:25) Hey, everybody. (44:26) Guess what? (44:27) I'm getting a massage today.

Scott Benner (44:28) Okay? (44:28) I got it as a

Danielle (44:29) treating himself.

Scott Benner (44:29) I got it as a gift two Christmases ago and waited so long to do it that it was expired when I called the place, and they were nice enough to settle up for me anyway. (44:38) My wife wanted am I sharing this part? (44:42) Whatever. (44:43) My wife was like, I got this massage at this place specifically because there's a person there who does a great deep tissue massage, and I know that's what you want. (44:51) I said, awesome.

Scott Benner (44:52) Thank you. (44:53) She read reviews, blah blah blah. (44:55) I go I call. (44:56) I set the whole thing up. (44:57) They offer me one of two people to do the massage, and I just very casually just chose the female name when it was thrown at me.

Scott Benner (45:05) And I didn't think anything of it. (45:07) I get downstairs. (45:08) My wife's like, did you get it set up? (45:10) And I was like, yeah. (45:11) Yeah.

Scott Benner (45:11) It's great. (45:11) I'm I'm gonna go. (45:12) And she goes I said, thank you again. (45:14) Sorry. (45:14) It took me so long to do it.

Scott Benner (45:15) I was very, very cordial. (45:17) And then she said, you did it with this person? (45:21) And I went, oh, no. (45:22) I did it with the other one. (45:23) And she goes, why?

Scott Benner (45:24) And I said, I was faced with a male name and a female name, and I picked the female name. (45:29) And she goes, but that's not the person that does the great deep tissue. (45:32) I said the lady on the phone said she did a great deep tissue massage. (45:35) And my wife's like, but I I read the reviews and the guy, and I was like, ah, I ain't looking for that. (45:40) So and by the way, for no real reason, I don't even care.

Scott Benner (45:46) I wouldn't care. (45:47) I really wouldn't. (45:49) But I was like but when you when you asked me, and I was like, no. (45:52) Lady name. (45:52) I'll take lady name.

Scott Benner (45:53) Thank you. (45:54) So, anyway, judge me if you will. (45:56) I don't care.

Danielle (45:56) I'm not judging you.

Scott Benner (45:57) I'm just getting a massage. (45:59) Alright. (45:59) So how are things going a year later?

Danielle (46:02) I feel I definitely feel steadier. (46:05) I feel more empowered. (46:08) I feel less guilt, less need for perfection. (46:14) Mhmm. (46:15) I think so her so her a one c was 10.8 on diagnosis, and her first follow-up a one c was 6.1.

Scott Benner (46:26) Okay.

Danielle (46:27) And so putting that in perspective, I knew that she still had highs through that, and we were still able to achieve a really good solid a one c first go around.

Scott Benner (46:40) Right.

Danielle (46:40) And so then it was like, okay. (46:43) She doesn't have it doesn't have to be perfect to see better results.

Scott Benner (46:47) Okay.

Danielle (46:47) And so, yes, we still pre bolus, and, yes, we you know, she had pancakes for breakfast this morning. (46:54) And, yes, technically, they were only 40 carbs. (46:56) She got way more insulin than just 40 carbs because now we know.

Scott Benner (47:01) Mhmm.

Danielle (47:01) And and that's empowering to feel like we we have a better grasp on it. (47:06) And don't get me wrong. (47:07) There's still you think you do everything right, and you still see those double arrows up. (47:12) It's been a while since we've had them, but they still happen.

Scott Benner (47:15) Sure. (47:15) Sure.

Danielle (47:15) I don't beat myself up anymore about it because what do I do? (47:21) Just give more insulin and it's going to come down.

Scott Benner (47:23) Where on that timeline does the, what was the medication you said you were taking?

Danielle (47:29) I started that medication just about two months ago because I was leery about it.

Scott Benner (47:34) Okay. (47:35) So you you started it two months ago. (47:37) Has your outlook on the diabetes changed as well?

Danielle (47:41) Yeah. (47:41) I'm just I'm just a calmer individual in general.

Scott Benner (47:46) Alright. (47:46) Well, I'm not usually for all this, but for all you people out there who when you hear me tell somebody to calm down, you think, oh, I should probably calm down too. (47:55) Tell them again the name of the medication.

Danielle (47:58) Methylphenidate. (48:00) Yeah.

Scott Benner (48:00) I mean, listen, kids. (48:02) Give up.

Danielle (48:02) If you truly if you truly have ADHD and and a licensed professionals telling you that you tick the the correct boxes, I wouldn't be afraid to try a medication.

Scott Benner (48:14) Right. (48:14) I mean, otherwise, you're a meth head. (48:15) Right? (48:16) Because

Danielle (48:17) the Yeah. (48:17) Otherwise otherwise, yeah, you are a stimulant junkie. (48:21) Yeah. (48:21) And yeah. (48:22) If it's hard for you to remember to take your medicine, it's like you know, for me, if I remember to take it, that's the problem too.

Danielle (48:30) You take your thyroid medicine. (48:32) You have to wait so many minutes before, and by then, the day has started. (48:36) So then you're coming back, oh, yeah. (48:38) I forgot to take my medicine. (48:39) I could tell because I'm bouncing off the walls and not staying on task.

Danielle (48:45) So if you're forgetting to take the medication, you likely have ADHD. (48:49) If you're striving to want to take it, you probably don't.

Scott Benner (48:53) You probably have a habit. (48:54) Danielle's like, listen. (48:55) You can get, like, checked over by a doctor and they check you out, but here's the criteria, really. (48:59) If you want it, you don't need it. (49:01) If you can't remember it, it's definitely for you.

Danielle (49:03) It's probably necessary. (49:05) Yes.

Scott Benner (49:06) That's some homespun wisdom right there. (49:08) That's awesome. (49:09) That's funny. (49:10) Oh my god. (49:12) Can we call this episode missus Doolittle?

Scott Benner (49:14) It's still yeah. (49:15) That you'd be okay with.

Danielle (49:16) I don't I don't I honestly, I don't care.

Scott Benner (49:19) I don't care.

Danielle (49:20) My methylphenidate today. (49:22) You call it whatever you wanna call it.

Scott Benner (49:23) I love it. (49:24) You're like, hey, baby. (49:25) Everything's good. (49:26) Wait. (49:26) Did you try weed?

Scott Benner (49:27) Did weed not work?

Danielle (49:29) I have in the past. (49:31) Mhmm. (49:32) It's been a long time, and I know I don't like that feeling of, like, loosey goosey sort of lost control kinda feeling. (49:41) And I know there's different strains and different different ones do different things, but I just it wasn't for me, I don't think.

Scott Benner (49:49) Did you, what was my question there? (49:53) Did you have a a lessening of anxiety with the weed?

Danielle (49:56) Not no.

Scott Benner (49:57) Not like this?

Danielle (49:58) I was I was more kind of the opposite. (50:01) I couldn't sit still and I was like, why am I feeling like this? (50:04) Time's slowing down. (50:05) Oh my god. (50:05) What is happening?

Danielle (50:06) What is happening?

Scott Benner (50:08) Have you ever tried pulling mushrooms out of the cow patties? (50:10) That might help.

Danielle (50:11) No. (50:12) No. (50:13) I did experience dabble in college with some extra nonprescription things.

Scott Benner (50:20) Mhmm.

Danielle (50:20) Yeah. (50:21) That wasn't good for me either. (50:23) That was more reckless than anything.

Scott Benner (50:24) I wanna say with air quotes, there's a doctor that's been emailing me like crazy to come on the podcast to talk about their ketamine facility. (50:33) And I'm like

Danielle (50:34) Interesting. (50:35) Are you gonna do it?

Scott Benner (50:35) I mean, the website looks like it was made by a nine year old. (50:38) It's throwing me off. (50:39) You know?

Danielle (50:41) So when this doctor hears this episode

Scott Benner (50:44) Yeah. (50:44) I mean, listen. (50:45) Do a better job with your website and email me back Maybe

Danielle (50:47) you can come on here. (50:48) Yeah.

Scott Benner (50:49) Stop making it feel like three hippie friends, starting a business together. (50:53) Yeah. (50:54) And and I'll I'll look a little closer at it. (50:58) I don't know. (50:58) Also, you know what throws me off is that comedian, Whitney Cummings.

Danielle (51:02) Uh-huh.

Scott Benner (51:02) She was, like, a few years ago pretty heavy into the into the ketamine, and it looked like it was making her crazy. (51:07) So I don't know if maybe that was being

Danielle (51:08) If she's the poster child for it, then I didn't know if that was I'll go a different direction.

Scott Benner (51:13) Done incorrectly maybe or whatnot. (51:15) But I I'll tell you, like, what I would do is anybody who's in those trials for psilocybin and that therapy that they're doing, I would I would love to talk to anybody who's done that. (51:28) I think that would be great.

Danielle (51:29) Yeah.

Scott Benner (51:30) Because there's Wouldn't

Danielle (51:31) be me.

Scott Benner (51:31) Wouldn't be you? (51:32) Would you do if that was legal let me ask a question. (51:35) If it was legal to go into a a center right now and they give you a little bit of a I don't know the technicalities around. (51:41) They give you a little, little psilocybin, a little trip, and then they do that therapy through because it's like a guided therapeutic thing.

Danielle (51:47) Yeah. (51:48) Where you take, like, the psychedelics and

Scott Benner (51:50) Yeah. (51:50) I I mean, I think they're listen. (51:52) There's studies going on at Hopkins and a a number of other places right now about it. (51:56) Right? (51:56) Like, so if that were if that was the thing and they said, you look, we're gonna dig out your trauma.

Scott Benner (52:01) We'll get rid of this anxiety. (52:02) Would you try something like that?

Danielle (52:04) Maybe. (52:08) Maybe.

Scott Benner (52:09) I think I would. (52:13) I think I would. (52:14) And I and I've never done that.

Danielle (52:15) Maybe if it were a sure thing.

Scott Benner (52:17) Sure. (52:18) Well, listen. (52:18) You want a sure thing.

Danielle (52:19) Thing in life is a sure thing, but but that would be helpful.

Scott Benner (52:24) Yeah. (52:24) The only thing I'm

Danielle (52:24) sure about that, like, there's no chance you could get any worse.

Scott Benner (52:32) What a lovely way to put that. (52:35) You're like, listen. (52:36) If I'm

Danielle (52:36) gonna sit Maybe it won't get like, you don't have to reassure me that I will be cured of all of these mental health woes.

Scott Benner (52:43) But don't wanna be out of your mind when it's done.

Danielle (52:45) Can it also can you guarantee that it won't make it worse?

Scott Benner (52:48) I believe this is a very low dose. (52:50) Now having said that, I don't know that you I I have no idea. (52:53) I'm sure it's I'm certainly not telling you to go do it. (52:55) Nothing you hear in the Juice Box podcast should be considered by medical or otherwise. (52:58) Always consult a physician before making any change to your health care plan or using mushrooms.

Danielle (53:02) So Good call.

Scott Benner (53:02) Yeah. (53:03) Thank you. (53:03) Thank you. (53:04) I think I would do it though. (53:05) And I don't even know what my I mean, I I'm aware of what my trauma is.

Scott Benner (53:08) I don't I feel like I've done a good job with it. (53:10) I feel like I can exist pretty well the rest of my life, but I would like to know what it would be like if it just didn't exist anymore.

Danielle (53:16) That's I I think that's a fair point. (53:18) Yeah. (53:19) Absolutely.

Scott Benner (53:19) I think I think if somebody could dig into my into my head and take out that the person who gave birth to me and the person that adopted me abandoned me, I think that'd be good for me if I could get rid of that. (53:30) Yeah. (53:30) You know what I mean? (53:31) I'd like to keep a little bit of that fear of being having my ass kicked as a kid. (53:35) I think that keeps me

Danielle (53:36) Oh. (53:36) That

Scott Benner (53:36) keeps me motivated a little bit.

Danielle (53:38) I am I am this is all resonating.

Scott Benner (53:41) Oh, is that is that how they told Danielle to be quiet? (53:43) Yeah. (53:44) Wait. (53:44) How old are you?

Danielle (53:45) I am 35.

Scott Benner (53:47) Well, I didn't know we were allowed to hit kids in the nineties. (53:49) I thought I was in the seventies.

Danielle (53:51) Oh, I still got good old fashioned spankings.

Scott Benner (53:54) Did you get a belt?

Danielle (53:55) No. (53:56) I didn't get a belt. (53:57) No. (53:57) It was it was more it was more hands.

Scott Benner (53:59) From the dad?

Danielle (54:00) Than anything. (54:01) Yeah. (54:01) Yeah. (54:02) Uh-huh. (54:02) Well, an emotional trauma from my dad.

Danielle (54:04) He was one of those people that from the outside looking in, he was dad of the year. (54:11) Mhmm. (54:12) Right? (54:12) He coached me in basketball and was at all my games and felt like a really present father. (54:19) And then behind closed doors, he was hateful, manipulative, and just a really sour person.

Scott Benner (54:27) Oh, I'm sorry. (54:28) I'm sorry.

Danielle (54:28) Yeah. (54:28) You know?

Scott Benner (54:29) After a baseball practice one day, I watched one of Cole's teammates, like, get run into like, in the car by their dad. (54:38) And you even though you couldn't hear it, like, you could see it.

Danielle (54:42) You know exactly what's going on in there.

Scott Benner (54:43) Like, the face and the screaming and the pointing and the kid shrinking and everything. (54:47) And the kid grew up to be a shrunk person too. (54:50) Then and and got out of it eventually, which I was always happy to see. (54:53) But my god. (54:54) Like, I I don't know what that guy thought he was I don't know what he thought they were they were 12.

Scott Benner (55:00) Yeah. (55:00) You know what I mean? (55:00) Like

Danielle (55:01) I mean, work I mean, because like I said before, therapy is I'm not I've been in and out of therapy, and I'm a huge advocate for it.

Scott Benner (55:09) Mhmm.

Danielle (55:09) I've worked through that. (55:11) I mean, can you imagine? (55:13) That man coached me in basketball from second grade through high school.

Scott Benner (55:20) Yeah.

Danielle (55:20) It is so hard to be the coach's kid

Scott Benner (55:24) Yeah.

Danielle (55:24) Yeah. (55:24) Especially with somebody who had a personality like him

Scott Benner (55:29) Yeah.

Danielle (55:30) That, you know, nothing was good enough. (55:32) I was supposed to be this I mean, he was living I mean, in hindsight, he was living vicariously through me.

Scott Benner (55:37) Yeah.

Danielle (55:37) I was a reflection of what he never did as, you know, a teenager or an athlete, and he wanted me to fulfill those prophecies, those those dreams of his.

Scott Benner (55:48) How tall are you?

Danielle (55:49) I mean, I'm five seven.

Scott Benner (55:51) Oh my god. (55:51) Stop.

Danielle (55:52) I'm not I'm not tall, but I'm scrappy. (55:54) Scrappy. (55:55) Scrappy, and I have a three point shot that would knock your socks off. (55:59) I've broken some records. (56:00) I was all state in Illinois.

Danielle (56:02) I mean, I wasn't I mean, I was I was decent. (56:05) Yeah. (56:05) But he kinda ruined it for me. (56:08) And I I didn't play in college just to be an asshole.

Scott Benner (56:11) Oh, really? (56:12) You could have, and you were like

Danielle (56:13) I could have played in college, not d one, but d two, d three, and I purposely didn't.

Scott Benner (56:20) Yeah. (56:20) I don't wanna because you don't wanna be involved with him anymore. (56:22) Just the fuck. (56:23) Listen. (56:24) I've made, some good decisions in my life and some really bad ones, but one of them was at one point, my wife said, maybe you should be a coach on one of these baseball teams because I think it would be Cole would get a more fair shake.

Scott Benner (56:37) And I said, I think that's a bad idea. (56:40) Mhmm. (56:40) Yeah. (56:40) I don't think that I'm looking at these other guys, and they're ruining their relationships with their kids.

Danielle (56:46) A 100%. (56:47) I will never coach my kids. (56:48) I will always be their cheerleader. (56:50) If they decide to play basketball, for instance, and they want tips, tricks, they you know, I'm here if you want it, and otherwise, I'm rah rah sis boom bah on the sidelines Yeah. (57:00) Just Yeah.

Danielle (57:02) Being your biggest fan.

Scott Benner (57:03) Anyway, I'm never gonna forget watching that guy yell at that kid. (57:05) So Mm-mm. (57:06) I don't know. (57:06) I I swear I'd I would have loved to have said to him, like, what do you think is about to happen? (57:10) Like, are you gonna yell it in?

Scott Benner (57:11) You're gonna yell it into him? (57:12) He doesn't the kid doesn't have whatever it is you want him to have, he does currently does not possess it.

Danielle (57:20) No. (57:20) And you're you're basically just stealing the joy and the fun of it from that child and the the yeah. (57:27) Yeah. (57:27) Exactly.

Scott Benner (57:28) And it's it's there's no shade on the kid either, by the way. (57:30) It just wasn't really his thing. (57:32) You you know? (57:33) And they and I think it was because his body style fit it that they were trying to force it into happening. (57:37) That makes sense.

Danielle (57:38) Yeah. (57:39) That's terrible.

Scott Benner (57:40) He just didn't have a love for it. (57:42) So I don't know. (57:43) And the and the kid's vomiting all the time, like, upset. (57:46) And, I mean, look what you're doing. (57:47) And then they'd say that there's something wrong with the kid.

Scott Benner (57:49) I'm like, there's it's just here. (57:50) You're yelling at him all the time.

Danielle (57:51) I I yeah. (57:53) Yeah. (57:54) That's asinine.

Scott Benner (57:55) Yeah. (57:55) Everybody's an idiot. (57:56) Not me, though. (57:57) Trigger. (57:57) Not me and you, Danielle.

Scott Benner (57:58) We're smart. (57:59) We know.

Danielle (58:00) Yes. (58:00) Uh-huh. (58:01) Uh-huh. (58:02) Take it from me.

Scott Benner (58:02) Yeah. (58:03) Well, listen, you lived through it. (58:05) I did. (58:05) Yeah. (58:05) Nobody expected anything out of me.

Scott Benner (58:07) I just got my ass kicked for being a smart ass. (58:10) You know, I I think it is maybe appropriate to mention the first recording of my twelfth year, not twelfth season, twelfth year of making a podcast. (58:17) By the way, I don't wanna brag, Danielle, but did you know that fewer than 200 of the four and a half million podcasts that exist have as many episodes as mine?

Danielle (58:25) I saw your post about

Scott Benner (58:27) that Nice.

Danielle (58:28) All the statistics.

Scott Benner (58:29) If you say it there, I made a post about it, then it seems like I do wanna brag. (58:33) So just just say, oh, no. (58:34) That's crazy.

Danielle (58:35) Well, no. (58:35) It's it's educational.

Scott Benner (58:38) Yeah. (58:39) I'm very proud

Danielle (58:40) of Continue to support so he yeah. (58:42) I can continue to do this.

Scott Benner (58:43) Thank you. (58:43) No. (58:43) No.

Danielle (58:43) Look at how many people failed, you know, or weren't able to to produce with me or prior to me.

Scott Benner (58:50) And I don't even mean just, like, in diabetes or, like, in the space in general. (58:54) Like, there's four and a half million podcasts. (58:57) Only fewer than 200 of them have produced 1,700 episodes. (59:01) That alone is crazy. (59:03) The the show is entering its ninth year of being in the top 20, top 30 of The US medicine category, which is, like, unheard.

Scott Benner (59:10) If you go look at that category, it's a lot of podcasts made by companies and corporations and, like, little old me with my independent podcast, which is which is pretty great and also, I think, speaks volumes about the support that I get from people listening.

Danielle (59:26) Sure.

Scott Benner (59:27) But yeah.

Danielle (59:27) But I'm

Scott Benner (59:27) not I'm excited about that.

Danielle (59:29) Full disclosure. (59:30) Before coming on here, I had gone on to chat GPT, and I was like, hey. (59:37) I'm gonna be a guest on the juice box podcast. (59:40) Any tips or ideas or information that I need to know going into this? (59:45) And and Chad GPT, knew who you were, knew the your style of interviewing.

Danielle (59:52) It it was actually pretty helpful. (59:53) I have to send you what my response was.

Scott Benner (59:56) Oh, would you show that to me? (59:57) That's awesome.

Danielle (59:58) Yeah. (59:58) I can email it to you.

Scott Benner (59:59) Hey. (59:59) What's up, OpenAI? (1:00:00) I see you.

Danielle (1:00:01) Yeah. (1:00:01) Yay. (1:00:02) They did. (1:00:02) They were like, he will carry the conversation. (1:00:04) He will lead you along.

Danielle (1:00:06) He likes to talk about different personal experiences, not just about diagnosis, but digging deeper into different aspects and and what have you. (1:00:16) So yeah. (1:00:18) I mean, it was spot on.

Scott Benner (1:00:19) I swear to you, I find that invigorating and a little violating all at the same time.

Danielle (1:00:23) Yeah. (1:00:23) True. (1:00:23) Yeah. (1:00:24) True. (1:00:24) I I can imagine.

Scott Benner (1:00:25) Well, I mean, it's it's my fault. (1:00:26) I'm I'm the one having the conversations. (1:00:29) Boy, isn't that something? (1:00:30) Yeah. (1:00:31) Yeah.

Scott Benner (1:00:31) I'll I'll I'll tell you you can I tell you one thing I did with with an an AI model recently?

Danielle (1:00:37) Please.

Scott Benner (1:00:38) Beyond stuff for the podcast, which is I'm putting a bunch of stuff together that I think you guys are gonna like. (1:00:43) I am, I'm not good at figuring out social media. (1:00:46) So I I don't understand the Facebook algorithm the way I'm, I don't know, made. (1:00:54) I'm not the target audience for a Facebook post that's popular. (1:00:58) But I wrote one recently, and I was like and it really was popular.

Scott Benner (1:01:02) And I was like, oh. (1:01:03) I'm like, I must I don't know how to do it again. (1:01:06) So, like, I read it and I thought, okay. (1:01:08) Like, I'm just trying to get people to the content. (1:01:11) Right?

Scott Benner (1:01:11) I don't know what to do. (1:01:12) So I took the content. (1:01:14) I said, look. (1:01:14) I wrote this Facebook post. (1:01:16) It was really popular.

Scott Benner (1:01:17) Can you please break down why it might have been popular and help me to, like, mimic that in my future writings because I don't understand how to engage people on Facebook. (1:01:29) And that's a it's frustrating because I do a great job of engaging people in audio. (1:01:35) Right? (1:01:35) Like, if you hear me and and you don't hate me, you're gonna really like this.

Danielle (1:01:39) What kind of feedback did you get?

Scott Benner (1:01:41) It actually gave me back, a report on it, and I haven't read it yet. (1:01:46) It gave me a report. (1:01:47) It gave me an AI model to in case it said in case I don't wanna write them, I could just drop the the text from the episodes into a into a prompt, and it could help me write them. (1:01:57) And it's given me a five a six minute audio overview where it's gonna explain to me what it learned. (1:02:02) So I haven't listened to that yet.

Danielle (1:02:04) Interesting.

Scott Benner (1:02:05) But that's, I mean, that's the thing I mean, that's just a a tiny look at how people are are using AI in ways that you wouldn't expect. (1:02:13) I just don't know how to I can sit and wonder, but I can't keep up with it. (1:02:18) And I'm too busy to, like, make it my job. (1:02:20) I can't afford to hire somebody to tell me, like, how do I and I also don't wanna be a person who's like, you just write something engaging. (1:02:27) I don't I don't wanna do that.

Scott Benner (1:02:28) Like, I wanna understand why people were engaged by it. (1:02:32) What is it about because I did write it. (1:02:34) Like, so what about that post made it interesting to people? (1:02:37) Because I I'm writing to you. (1:02:39) I'm not writing to me.

Scott Benner (1:02:41) Sure. (1:02:41) Like, if I was the audience, my posts would be like, hey. (1:02:45) This episode's about Danielle. (1:02:47) Here's what happened to her. (1:02:48) Go listen to it.

Scott Benner (1:02:49) And I would hear that and go, goddamn right. (1:02:51) Let me go listen. (1:02:51) But that's not how most people work. (1:02:53) Like, so and maybe that'll help me get other people to management stuff. (1:02:57) Like, maybe this is gonna lead it to because that's one of the bigger problems that we have with the podcast is that it's difficult to get people out of the Facebook group into the series like bold beginnings and stuff that.

Scott Benner (1:03:10) So I wonder how I could maybe like, hearing your success and other people's success with it, I wonder how I could entice people out of that red written world into an audio world and give them the experience that you had. (1:03:22) That's what

Danielle (1:03:22) I'm So you're saying that there are people that get into the private Juice Box podcast group, but then don't actually listen to the podcast itself?

Scott Benner (1:03:33) Oh, Danielle. (1:03:33) There are people who, like, comment on things and go, what's this podcast you're all talking about? (1:03:39) So so the Facebook group has become

Danielle (1:03:43) Like a support group, but they don't know why it's called Juice Box?

Scott Benner (1:03:47) Yes. (1:03:48) It's its own entity. (1:03:49) It's so valuable for people that it attracts people outside of people who listen. (1:03:54) It started as a place for listeners to talk about the podcast, but I build it up to a thing that just it's just not that anymore.

Danielle (1:04:02) Gotcha.

Scott Benner (1:04:02) Yeah. (1:04:03) And there are probably plenty of people listening to this who are like, I wouldn't log on to Facebook if you paid me money. (1:04:08) But I'll tell you what, that's a great support group. (1:04:10) Yeah. (1:04:11) If you got Facebook just to be in that group and you had diabetes in your life, I think it would be valuable for you.

Scott Benner (1:04:16) Yep. (1:04:17) So, anyway, what have we missed? (1:04:19) What have we not talked about anything at all?

Danielle (1:04:22) No. (1:04:22) I think my big takeaway for people was just I wanted to advocate for parents to take their own mental health seriously when having a child with diabetes because there are as we know, there's no days off. (1:04:41) I just think that everybody in this this vicinity can benefit from some kind of mental health rejuvenation, so to speak. (1:04:52) Because, you know, I hope I'm not alone in this that it didn't just affect my relationship with myself. (1:04:59) You know?

Danielle (1:05:00) It affects your relationship with your spouse. (1:05:02) You know, never feeling like we get a day off, having resentment grow between us sometimes. (1:05:08) Like, we're not fighting each other necessarily. (1:05:11) We're fighting because we're never off duty. (1:05:13) Right?

Scott Benner (1:05:13) Mhmm.

Danielle (1:05:14) And I just I just wanted to give other type one parents permission to prioritize themselves a little more because we do. (1:05:23) We prioritize the health and safety of our kids well that we don't do the same for ourselves.

Scott Benner (1:05:29) Yeah. (1:05:29) No. (1:05:30) That's a great message.

Danielle (1:05:31) I would I just wanna empower more parents to take care of themselves too.

Scott Benner (1:05:36) Awesome. (1:05:36) That's a that's a great message. (1:05:37) Everybody should take her seriously. (1:05:38) You don't have to get medicated. (1:05:40) But

Danielle (1:05:40) No. (1:05:41) It doesn't have to start with medication. (1:05:43) It has to start with just owning your own and and wanting to do better for yourself so you can do better for your kids.

Scott Benner (1:05:50) I would also say if medication is the answer, you're not gonna get any shade from me about it. (1:05:53) Like, whatever Or

Danielle (1:05:54) me either. (1:05:55) I am medicated. (1:05:56) No big deal.

Scott Benner (1:05:57) Arden looked me right in the face last night and she goes, do you remember the time we went to Atlanta to visit Cole? (1:06:02) And I was like, And she goes, and we went to the to the aquarium? (1:06:05) And I was like, yeah. (1:06:06) She goes, I saw a picture of that the other day. (1:06:07) And I was like, yeah.

Scott Benner (1:06:08) And she goes, wow. (1:06:09) You were really fat. (1:06:10) And I went, oh, awesome. (1:06:13) And and when she said it, I wasn't insulted. (1:06:15) Like, she was, you know, joking, and I was I was happy to joke with her.

Scott Benner (1:06:19) But my my quiet thought in my head was, I am so glad I tried that GLP medication. (1:06:24) It really has changed my life. (1:06:26) I wonder yeah. (1:06:27) I just think life's too short to fight with something over and over again and lose the same battle. (1:06:33) You know?

Danielle (1:06:33) Exactly.

Scott Benner (1:06:34) So, yeah, in mental health, I think of the same way. (1:06:36) Like, if you if there's a way around it, I don't know why you're trying to go through it all the time. (1:06:41) You know?

Danielle (1:06:42) And you're not and and as much as we feel like we're masking it, we're not.

Scott Benner (1:06:47) Of course not.

Danielle (1:06:49) I think for for type one parents, good diabetes control is masking anxiety. (1:06:57) Right? (1:06:58) Hypervigilance for a lot of people. (1:07:00) You know, you think these parents are fine and their kids are doing so great and they're actually just suffering in silence.

Scott Benner (1:07:06) Mhmm. (1:07:07) Yeah.

Danielle (1:07:07) So

Scott Benner (1:07:07) No. (1:07:08) I hear you. (1:07:08) It is anyway, I think whatever works works, and you should try to lessen your load and act and not just mask it, but to actually, like, do something to alleviate the stress because it is not your fault that your father screamed at you about basketball or that you got kicked under a coffee table like I did or you were sitting in a car being screamed at on a baseball field or, you know, or whatever else happened to you. (1:07:33) Yeah. (1:07:34) You know, like, it's it it doesn't mean you need to live like that forever.

Scott Benner (1:07:37) It's not it's not a Mhmm. (1:07:38) Self fulfilling prophecy. (1:07:39) If there's a way out, take it.

Danielle (1:07:41) Yep. (1:07:41) That's all. (1:07:42) 100%.

Scott Benner (1:07:42) Yeah. (1:07:43) Awesome. (1:07:43) You are awesome. (1:07:44) This is a great first episode of my twelfth season of the Juice Box podcast. (1:07:49) 12.

Scott Benner (1:07:50) Ding. (1:07:51) Woo hoo. (1:07:51) Puts me in some pretty limited categories about how long the podcast has been going, about how many downloads it has, about how many episodes it has. (1:08:00) I feel really I feel a little prolific, actually.

Danielle (1:08:03) Yeah. (1:08:03) I'm proud of you, Scott.

Scott Benner (1:08:05) Hey. (1:08:06) Danielle, thank you so

Danielle (1:08:07) much. (1:08:07) I'm proud of you.

Scott Benner (1:08:09) Oh my god. (1:08:09) That's awesome. (1:08:10) How many times have you seen a cow give birth?

Danielle (1:08:12) Personally, I choose not to see cows.

Scott Benner (1:08:14) But you could, though. (1:08:15) Right?

Danielle (1:08:16) I could. (1:08:17) I could.

Scott Benner (1:08:17) Does the husband go

Danielle (1:08:18) help? (1:08:18) Along for some out calls.

Scott Benner (1:08:20) Yeah.

Danielle (1:08:21) But then that would mean who's watching our children. (1:08:24) Our village is rather small. (1:08:28) Actually, my husband and I are going on our first date night in a year, basically. (1:08:36) We have finally found the courage to let somebody else watch our kiddos while we step out for the night. (1:08:42) So slow and steady, steady and slow.

Scott Benner (1:08:45) I hope that night doesn't end with you in the car and your husband shoulder deep in a cow.

Danielle (1:08:49) So Or pregnant.

Scott Benner (1:08:51) Oh. (1:08:52) Oh, no. (1:08:52) I

Danielle (1:08:52) Absolutely. (1:08:53) I'm kidding. (1:08:53) I'm kidding. (1:08:54) Our family is so complete. (1:08:56) We have four beautiful children, and that is where it ends.

Scott Benner (1:08:59) Oh, Danielle. (1:08:59) I just assumed you sewed your vagina shut. (1:09:01) Is there, like

Danielle (1:09:03) There wasn't

Scott Benner (1:09:04) That could still happen?

Danielle (1:09:06) I mean, it's it's on my husband to do the old snip a roony.

Scott Benner (1:09:10) Oh, sweetheart. (1:09:11) No. (1:09:11) No. (1:09:11) Don't no. (1:09:12) No.

Scott Benner (1:09:12) This is you're gonna have five kids. (1:09:13) You gotta be very careful.

Danielle (1:09:14) I I have never been one to handle birth control very well. (1:09:19) I've tried multiple different types, and they've all made me, cuckoo for Coco Puffs. (1:09:27) And so so it is on my husband to make this permanent.

Scott Benner (1:09:34) I would say that when he starts making that face, you yell how much money's in the checking account, and that should stop him. (1:09:39) Okay?

Danielle (1:09:39) Right. (1:09:40) Right.

Scott Benner (1:09:40) You tell him how much college costs during sex. (1:09:43) Think

Danielle (1:09:43) that'll everything else. (1:09:44) Diabetes supplies.

Scott Benner (1:09:46) When you're making love yell, college cost the blah blah blah blah blah. (1:09:52) We have four

Danielle (1:09:52) That's sexy.

Scott Benner (1:09:53) Start taking the numbers, times it get by four, talking about, you know, inflation.

Danielle (1:10:01) Hot and bothered. (1:10:02) Let me tell you.

Scott Benner (1:10:03) That'll slow the whole thing right down. (1:10:04) It would stop me, I'll tell you, right in my tracks. (1:10:06) Anyway, alright. (1:10:07) Hold on one second.

Danielle (1:10:08) Okay.

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Scott Benner (1:12:08) Would you like a Christmas card? (1:12:11) Hey. (1:12:12) I'm dropping in to tell you about a small change being made to the Juice Cruise 2026 schedule. (1:12:17) This adjustment was made by Celebrity Cruise Lines, not by me. (1:12:20) Anyway, we're still going out on the Celebrity Beyond cruise ship, which is awesome.

Scott Benner (1:12:24) Check out the walkthrough video at juiceboxpodcast.com/juicecruise. (1:12:29) The ship is awesome. (1:12:31) Still a seven night cruise. (1:12:33) It still leaves out of Miami on June 21. (1:12:36) Actually, most of this is the same.

Scott Benner (1:12:37) We leave Miami June 21, head to Coco Cay in The Bahamas, but then we're going to San Juan, Puerto Rico instead of Saint Thomas. (1:12:45) After that, Bastille, I think I'm saying that wrong, Saint Kitts And Nevis. (1:12:49) This place is gorgeous. (1:12:51) Google it. (1:12:52) I mean, you're probably gonna have to go to my link to get the correct spelling because my pronunciation is so bad.

Scott Benner (1:12:55) But once you get the Saint Kitts and you Google it, you're gonna look and see a photo that says to you, oh, I wanna go there. (1:13:02) Come meet other people living with type one diabetes from caregivers to children to adults. (1:13:09) Last year, we had a 100 people on our cruise and it was fabulous. (1:13:14) You can see pictures to get at my link juiceboxpodcast.com/juicecruise. (1:13:19) You can see those pictures from last year there.

Scott Benner (1:13:21) The link also gives you an opportunity to register for the cruise or to contact Suzanne from Cruise Planners. (1:13:27) She takes care of all the logistics. (1:13:29) I'm just excited that I might see you there. (1:13:31) It's a beautiful event for families, for singles, a wonderful opportunity to meet people, swap stories, make friendships, and learn. (1:13:41) If you have a podcast and you need a fantastic editor, you want Rob from Wrong Way Recording.

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