#1783 Charlotte Must Hate You - Part 2
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In Part 2, Jen shares her coming out story , her switch to the Trio algorithm , surviving a terrifying solo low , and using Zepbound for insulin resistance.
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Scott Bennner (0:0) Welcome back, friends, to another episode of the Juice Box podcast.
Jen (0:14) Well alright. (0:15) Well, hey, everybody. (0:16) I'm Jen, and I'm a type one. (0:19) I was diagnosed when I was 29, and I'm now 52.
Scott Bennner (0:25) This is part two of a two part episode. (0:27) Go look at the title. (0:28) If you don't recognize it, you haven't heard part one yet. (0:31) It's probably the episode right before this in your podcast player. (0:36) My diabetes pro tip series is about cutting through the clutter of diabetes management to give you the straightforward practical insights that truly make a difference.
Scott Bennner (0:45) This series is all about mastering the fundamentals, whether it's the basics of insulin, dosing adjustments, or everyday management strategies that will empower you to take control. (0:55) I'm joined by Jenny Smith, who is a diabetes educator with over thirty five years of personal experience, and we break down complex concepts into simple actionable tips. (1:05) The diabetes pro tip series runs between episode one thousand and one thousand twenty five in your podcast player, where you can listen to it at juiceboxpodcast.com by going up into the menu. (1:16) Please don't forget that nothing you hear on the juice box podcast should be considered advice, medical or otherwise. (1:22) Always consult a physician before making any changes to your health care plan or becoming bold with insulin.
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Jen (2:27) I have done the deed with the boys. (2:29) Yes. (2:29) I've done the deed with the boys, and I was just like was like, I don't really get the big, you know, what's the big to do with this. (2:37) I never really understood that. (2:39) And then when so just to, I guess, go and tell my coming out, like, when I so I get diagnosed in '29.
Jen (2:46) I don't come out to my myself. (2:48) Right? (2:48) It's not even to anybody. (2:49) It's to myself until I was 30 or 31, so a couple years later. (2:53) But it's a funny story.
Jen (2:55) I was okay. (2:56) So I was dating this guy. (2:58) I knew he this this would have been my third engagement ring. (3:01) And I'm like, I don't want another ring. (3:02) You know, I could feel it coming, and I'm like, I gotta break up with him.
Jen (3:05) So I know I sound horrible. (3:06) I hope I don't sound horrible, but I I was like, I I'm gonna break up with this guy. (3:09) I'm not in love with him. (3:10) He's a lovely person. (3:12) So I broke up with him.
Jen (3:13) And this is, like, in May. (3:16) And then I was already supposed to be in his sister's wedding
Scott Bennner (3:20) Oh, jeez.
Jen (3:21) In Saint John's, you know, The Caribbean. (3:23) And so when we broke up, his sister's like, well, I still want you to be in my wedding. (3:28) I'm like, oh, okay. (3:30) And my parents are gonna pay for everything. (3:32) I'm like, okay.
Jen (3:33) Because I was in school at the time. (3:34) I'd gone back to ultrasound school and anyway, the whole thing. (3:37) And I'm like, I don't have any money. (3:38) That sounds great. (3:39) And so go to the the, Saint John's wonderful trip in August, And I knew that the bride's best friend was also gonna be a bridesmaid, and she was gay.
Jen (3:52) She was out. (3:53) And I just thought, that's interesting. (3:54) But I didn't think anything about it. (3:55) But someone said, oh, you need to watch out for her. (3:57) She might hit on you because you're really cute.
Jen (3:59) I'm like, that's no. (4:00) She's not. (4:01) What are you talking about? (4:02) Well, she did. (4:03) And so long story short is this person that I ended up dating for eight and a half years flirted with me.
Jen (4:10) It was literally like a movie, like, where the two bridesmaids and have the hots for each other. (4:15) And the whole time I'm going, what is going on? (4:18) Like, this is crazy. (4:19) I've never been so attracted to someone. (4:21) I've never wanted to be around someone so much, and she's actually into me.
Jen (4:25) You know what I mean? (4:26) Like, it's not oh, you know? (4:28) And so we on on the so the the reception was on a I don't know. (4:34) Well, not a yacht, but, you know, one of those boats to go out for a sunset cruise kind of thing.
Scott Bennner (4:37) Mhmm.
Jen (4:38) And so they get married on the beach. (4:40) We go on the sunset cruise. (4:42) Again, I'm diabetic as we all know, not had much to eat all day because it was a wedding, whatever, and it's open bar. (4:50) And I'm not a big drinker, but when something's free, I'm like, whoo. (4:53) It's free.
Jen (4:54) So I was like, I'll have a drink.
Scott Bennner (4:56) You're like, I don't wanna be in your wedding, but free trip to Saint John. (5:00) Right on. (5:01) Yeah. (5:01) Yeah. (5:01) Yeah.
Jen (5:01) I sound horrible. (5:02) Anyway, so I I was very appreciative of the trip. (5:05) But so we're we're and and this one this girl cute girl who loves Sarah McLaughlin. (5:11) Talk about a generalization like I did. (5:13) Right?
Jen (5:14) Mhmm. (5:14) How did I not know I was a gay? (5:16) But, anyway, so, you know, we're talking about Sarah, and, you know, she's farting with me on this boat. (5:21) Well, the dude, right, the dude I used to date. (5:23) K?
Jen (5:24) I mean, he was trying to get back with me on this trip, and I'm, like, giving him the time of day. (5:29) Right? (5:30) I'm just going, yeah. (5:30) He's trying to buy me wine at the dinners. (5:32) Whatever.
Jen (5:32) I'm like, no. (5:33) I'm good. (5:33) And I'm talking to the to Erin who's the the the girl. (5:36) So, anyway, the at the reception, we're it's like me and Aaron. (5:41) It's like this movie, and we're just, like, connecting.
Jen (5:43) We're laughing. (5:44) We're having a good time. (5:45) We're drinking. (5:46) And I'm a lightweight. (5:47) Like, I've had two drinks, and I'm like, woo.
Jen (5:49) And I could see the guy circling, right, the boat. (5:54) I could see him like, oh, he could see us flirting, whatever. (5:58) And I'm going, oh, dear. (5:59) There's only, like, 30 people in this boat. (6:00) It's not big.
Jen (6:01) And so then Erin, the girl says, I dare you to go to the bathroom with me. (6:06) And I was like, okay. (6:08) So and so we go to the bathroom. (6:11) It's so romantic. (6:11) Go to the bathroom.
Jen (6:12) So romantic. (6:13) One on my It sounds it
Scott Bennner (6:14) sounds predatory, but go ahead. (6:17) It was sweet. (6:18) Understand. (6:18) I
Jen (6:19) know. (6:19) I know. (6:19) So I go to the bathroom, and so I don't know. (6:22) We're just standing there, and then she she's like, can I kiss you? (6:26) And I was like, sure.
Jen (6:28) And so she kisses me, and I went, oh my. (6:31) In that moment, I went, this is what everybody's been talking about. (6:33) I was like, oh my gosh. (6:35) How old are you?
Scott Bennner (6:35) 32?
Jen (6:37) I'm, like, 30 or 31, dude. (6:39) I'm clueless. (6:39) Yes. (6:40) God. (6:40) I'm so clueless.
Jen (6:41) Yeah. (6:42) This is, like, what, 2003 or something. (6:45) I don't know. (6:45) 2004. (6:46) I don't even know.
Scott Bennner (6:47) Wait. (6:47) Stop and explain this to me for a second. (6:49) You're 32. (6:49) How old were you the first time you had sex?
Jen (6:51) Dude, you're gonna make me sound so night so square. (6:54) I was 24.
Scott Bennner (6:57) Okay. (6:57) But you had been having sex for seven years.
Jen (7:00) It's not like I was having sex, like, all
Scott Bennner (7:02) the time, dude. (7:03) But No. (7:03) But you but I didn't say you were doing it every day. (7:05) But, like, you'd had sex for seven years with men. (7:09) And then you didn't have any of that, like, oh, this is awesome feeling.
Jen (7:13) No. (7:14) I just thought there was something wrong with me. (7:15) Of that's what I do. (7:16) Right. (7:17) Something wrong with me.
Scott Bennner (7:17) Uh-huh. (7:18) Okay. (7:18) And then Mhmm. (7:19) And then this this girl, she's hunting you like a like a big cat. (7:24) You know what I mean?
Scott Bennner (7:24) Like like, she sounds like she sounds like she's you're in the Serengeti, and she's trying to, like and she gets you in the bathroom. (7:30) And by the way, the poor guy, you know, he's he's circling the ship. (7:34) You know, at one point, he was like, oh my god. (7:36) I'm gonna have a threesome. (7:37) Like, you know, he thought that for a half.
Jen (7:38) He's always like, oh, this is gonna be
Scott Bennner (7:40) awesome night. (7:40) Yeah. (7:41) And then he didn't realize. (7:43) And then Exactly. (7:44) So she gives you a kiss, and you feel something you've never felt
Jen (7:48) before? (7:49) Never in my whole life. (7:50) Right.
Scott Bennner (7:51) I'm gonna say something uncomfortable.
Jen (7:53) Oh, lord.
Scott Bennner (7:54) Had you orgasmed with a guy?
Jen (7:56) Yes.
Scott Bennner (7:57) Okay. (7:57) And not like you weren't just, like, nothing.
Jen (7:59) But it just right.
Scott Bennner (8:01) Functional.
Jen (8:01) It's just like, oh, that felt that felt good.
Scott Bennner (8:03) Okay.
Jen (8:04) But it was very yeah.
Scott Bennner (8:05) Just No. (8:06) No. (8:06) No. (8:06) I'm
Jen (8:07) that's what the body does kinda thing. (8:09) Yeah. (8:09) It's just not having that emotional. (8:12) I don't even know how to explain it.
Scott Bennner (8:13) That No. (8:13) No. (8:13) No.
Jen (8:13) Connection. (8:15) Just like, oh, wow.
Scott Bennner (8:16) And then you'd be different. (8:17) Girl for eight years.
Jen (8:18) Eight and a half years. (8:20) Yes. (8:20) That's where
Scott Bennner (8:21) that U Haul joke comes from.
Jen (8:22) Dude, I mean, we we would have moved in, but she was getting her master's degree two hours away. (8:29) And so I mean, oh, I not that we need to talk about this the whole time, but, I mean, literally so no. (8:35) I'm a tell you. (8:35) I will finish this part. (8:36) So we Good.
Jen (8:37) Make out we're making out in this bathroom for a long freaking time because, apparently, all of a sudden, they start banging on the door. (8:44) They're like, we're back. (8:46) We're at the dock, and we're like, fuck. (8:48) Shit. (8:49) And I was like, oh my god.
Scott Bennner (8:50) We're about to Erin said too.
Jen (8:52) Yeah. (8:52) We're about to dock too. (8:53) And then I said I said to Erin, I said, oh my god. (8:56) Blame it on my diabetes. (8:58) Like, tell them I've been sick.
Jen (8:59) Right? (9:00) And so and so she's like, okay. (9:02) Got it. (9:03) So we come out, and I'm, like, trying to look sick, but I'm looking like, you know, this is the best day of my life, but I'm trying to look sick. (9:09) And and she's like, yeah.
Jen (9:11) Jen got got sick. (9:12) And they're like, sure. (9:14) You know? (9:14) Like, oh, yeah. (9:15) Y'all look like you.
Jen (9:15) You know, our hair's on the whatever. (9:17) So that's so then
Scott Bennner (9:18) Does everyone in your life think you're gay except you?
Jen (9:22) No. (9:22) No.
Scott Bennner (9:22) It's not like that.
Jen (9:24) It wasn't that, dude. (9:25) I'm telling you. (9:26) I I don't like, if you were to see me, you wouldn't go, oh, wow. (9:29) She's gay.
Scott Bennner (9:29) You make sure I'm gay. (9:30) Listen. (9:31) I'll generalize about a lot, but I don't know what that means. (9:33) Why can I get Yeah?
Jen (9:34) You can tell when someone looks a little gay, but, you know, like, lesbian. (9:38) You know, you can tell.
Scott Bennner (9:39) A little lesbian. (9:40) TV band.
Jen (9:41) A little lesbian. (9:42) But look. (9:43) I'm more of a athletic tomboy, but I'm cute at this you know what I'm saying? (9:46) Like,
Scott Bennner (9:47) just I approve you.
Jen (9:47) Yeah. (9:48) Like, a little mix. (9:48) Just something. (9:50) And Aaron didn't look like a lesbian, so, you know, we're just like I don't know. (9:54) We're lipstick lesbians is is what they call them.
Jen (9:56) But, anyway so but the horrible thing was the next morning. (10:02) K? (10:02) So maybe Aaron and I may have slept in the same bed that night. (10:05) Okay. (10:05) And we may have been staying in the same house as my ex and his family.
Jen (10:10) And we may have been in a room because it's Saint John's that is open air. (10:16) Like, it's a screen. (10:17) And people may have seen that we were in the bed that morning because we were hungover. (10:23) I was awful. (10:23) And so the next morning, guess who's dehydrated?
Jen (10:26) Guess who feels like
Scott Bennner (10:27) I'm gonna think Jesus it's Jesus from crying. (10:30) Is that what it was? (10:31) Blood sugar. (10:32) Yeah.
Jen (10:32) I mean, exactly. (10:33) And my blood sugar is tanking because I've had no food.
Scott Bennner (10:35) Oh. (10:36) Oh.
Jen (10:36) I'm like, oh my because it was just appetizers on this boat last night. (10:39) Right? (10:39) And I hadn't had any food. (10:40) And I'm like and and I go and I'm like, I have to walk of shame up the stairs.
Scott Bennner (10:44) To get food where it's low.
Jen (10:46) Either mom's packing up. (10:47) We're leaving today. (10:48) Mom's packing up the kitchen. (10:50) Adam, ex, is sitting on the couch, like, arms crossed mad as can be. (10:55) Yeah.
Jen (10:55) And here I am, little Jen woken up about to pass out going, excuse me.
Scott Bennner (11:01) I need a juice.
Jen (11:02) Can I can I have some crackers and a juice? (11:05) You know? (11:06) And his mom's like, here. (11:08) Yeah. (11:08) And, like, and I was like, oh my god.
Jen (11:10) Everybody knows. (11:11) And, you know, because Aaron and thought, oh, we're no one knows. (11:13) We were so clueless.
Scott Bennner (11:14) Mhmm.
Jen (11:15) And and so, yeah, it was horrible. (11:17) It was like She wasn't saying anything.
Scott Bennner (11:19) She didn't say something like, well, that box lunch didn't keep your blood sugar up. (11:22) That would have been fun. (11:23) No. (11:23) No. (11:24) Thought it was funny.
Scott Bennner (11:24) Yeah.
Jen (11:24) So she was not happy with me.
Scott Bennner (11:26) No. (11:26) No. (11:26) No. (11:26) I mean, listen. (11:27) You are painting a hell of a picture.
Scott Bennner (11:29) You have a coming out party in a bathroom on a boat while the boys while while her son by by the way, on a free vacation while hers that she paid for. (11:38) While her son who thought he was gonna marry you is dejected off in the center thinking, did I make this girl gay?
Jen (11:45) Totally.
Scott Bennner (11:46) Oh, yeah. (11:46) No. (11:46) There's nothing good about this story for him at all.
Jen (11:48) Nothing good about this story about him at all. (11:50) Oh, no. (11:50) And guess who guess what? (11:52) But this is the thing, Scott.
Scott Bennner (11:53) Yeah.
Jen (11:53) I found this out later. (11:54) He was talking to someone, k, who ends up being his wife, and they're still married right now before this trip happened. (12:00) So between me breaking up with him and this trip in August, he was talking to this girl, and now they're married. (12:07) So I'm just saying. (12:09) I get people red.
Jen (12:10) So all the boys that I was engaged to Mhmm. (12:13) And I broke up with them, they got married to the next person in
Scott Bennner (12:15) the day. (12:15) Still married.
Jen (12:16) And they're still married for as long as
Scott Bennner (12:18) I am. (12:18) Well, they learned how to try with you.
Jen (12:20) They understood what not to do. (12:22) Yeah. (12:23) They were ready. (12:24) Then finally, a woman loved them. (12:25) They're like, oh, god.
Scott Bennner (12:26) Is great. (12:27) This so much better.
Jen (12:28) This is so much better. (12:29) She wants to be around me.
Scott Bennner (12:32) I got married to a lady who doesn't go, ew, when I get near her. (12:35) Ew. (12:35) Exactly.
Jen (12:36) Like, oh, my god. (12:37) You're so gross. (12:38) Or you have so much hair. (12:39) Your stubble is so hard.
Scott Bennner (12:41) So wait. (12:42) So you stayed with this girl for eight years? (12:43) So you were Yeah. (12:45) Oh, and then once you get married to the next girl, you bumped into?
Jen (12:49) Well well, I did. (12:50) Yeah. (12:50) Jen was the next one I bumped into. (12:52) So
Scott Bennner (12:52) I understand how this works.
Jen (12:53) Don't worry. (12:54) Yeah.
Scott Bennner (12:54) Yeah. (12:54) Yeah. (12:54) We can have fun, and I can still understand at the same time.
Jen (12:57) Yes. (12:57) Yes. (12:58) Yes. (12:58) For sure.
Scott Bennner (12:59) So you dated that girl for eight years when you had diabetes. (13:01) How much about your type one did you share with her?
Jen (13:04) Trying to remember. (13:05) I am pretty sure that I definitely shared it. (13:08) I didn't hide it
Scott Bennner (13:09) Okay.
Jen (13:09) From her. (13:10) And I'm pretty sure when I dated her, I was on the Animas pump, the Animas ping Mhmm. (13:15) Back then. (13:16) And she yeah. (13:18) She tried she was vegetarian.
Jen (13:20) Well, not that that matters, but but because I didn't know how to cook. (13:23) Like, my cooking was a healthy choice pizza or you know what I mean? (13:27) Like, I didn't cook. (13:28) So it was really bad. (13:29) And so she taught me how to cook, which was a great thing that she taught me.
Scott Bennner (13:33) Right.
Jen (13:33) Of course, it was vegetarian, but she would cook meat for me. (13:36) She didn't you know, she she she knew that. (13:38) It was fine. (13:38) But, yeah, she was definitely involved. (13:42) But you can only be be so involved because what back then?
Jen (13:45) Was there the g four? (13:47) I don't even remember. (13:47) There was no follow. (13:48) There was no you know?
Scott Bennner (13:49) Right.
Jen (13:50) So but yeah. (13:51) I mean, anyone I've ever dated
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Jen (16:29) No. (16:29) No. (16:30) No. (16:30) I definitely the person dating me is gonna understand it. (16:32) Okay.
Jen (16:32) So oh, yeah. (16:33) Yeah. (16:33) Yeah. (16:33) I teach them. (16:35) Yeah.
Jen (16:35) Yeah. (16:35) So I would teach and talk about carb counting and exercise. (16:39) Oh, I can't go for a walk right now. (16:41) We need to wait an hour because I gotta do this, and I gotta have snacks with me all the time. (16:46) You know, like, I definitely would educate.
Scott Bennner (16:49) We haven't talked about this. (16:50) How much do you understand it?
Jen (16:53) I think I understand it pretty well now.
Scott Bennner (16:55) You do? (16:55) You you you're where's your a one c and your variability at at the at the moment?
Jen (17:00) Dude, it's really good. (17:01) I had it done. (17:02) I can't wait to tell you. (17:03) Yeah. (17:04) Last a one c was 5.1
Scott Bennner (17:06) Awesome.
Jen (17:07) On the Trio.
Scott Bennner (17:08) Okay.
Jen (17:08) And I've been on Trio for I wanna talk about Trio a little bit, but, yeah, five months on Trio.
Scott Bennner (17:11) Yeah, please. (17:12) So you tried just inhaled? (17:15) So were you doing basal injected and inhaled and nothing else?
Jen (17:19) So yeah. (17:20) So when I in 2017 is when I started Afrezza, and it was because my a one c got up to 7.9. (17:28) I went back and looked. (17:29) I'm like, oh my god. (17:30) That's so high.
Jen (17:31) And I was 44. (17:33) I'm pretty sure about in my mid forties. (17:35) I remember going to my female endo telling her, I think my hormones are affecting my blood sugar.
Scott Bennner (17:41) Mhmm.
Jen (17:41) And I said, I just I'm exercising. (17:44) I'm eating well. (17:45) I'm doing what I know to do, and I'm giving myself insulin. (17:48) I cannot control these two double arrows up and two double arrows down. (17:52) And she's like, it's just a part of life.
Jen (17:54) You're fine. (17:55) And I've been researching hormone replacement therapy. (17:58) She's like, no. (17:58) I don't believe in that. (17:59) And I'm going, okay.
Jen (18:00) Well, you know, at the time, I'm like, okay. (18:03) Mhmm. (18:03) I said, well, what about Afrezza? (18:05) You know? (18:05) Because, again, Kelly, had been on Afrezza for maybe three or four months before me, and she was like, oh my god.
Jen (18:11) Jen, it's great. (18:12) You gotta try it. (18:13) And I was like, if you help me, I'll try it.
Scott Bennner (18:15) Okay.
Jen (18:16) So I went on to I was already before I started Afrezza, I was in I went back from Olfa pump to MDI. (18:22) So was like a NovoLog pen and Tresiba. (18:25) So I was already on Tresiba, I liked it. (18:27) And then everybody's like, oh, Tresiba, Afrezza is a great pairing. (18:30) I'm like, okay.
Jen (18:31) I'll try Afrezza. (18:32) And I literally Scott went from NovoLog. (18:35) I stopped NovoLog entirely and went straight to Afrezza. (18:38) And then my a one c dropped from September 2017. (18:42) It was 7.9.
Jen (18:44) March '18, it was 5.9.
Scott Bennner (18:46) Okay. (18:47) And be prior to prior to that, you were doing what? (18:49) MDI?
Jen (18:51) Yes.
Scott Bennner (18:51) Okay.
Jen (18:51) Yes. (18:52) I was doing MDI because I was playing roller derby at the time. (18:56) I used play roller derby, and it's very
Scott Bennner (18:57) Why would you
Jen (18:58) say that?
Scott Bennner (18:58) Why Totally. (18:59) I know. (19:00) I know. (19:00) I know. (19:00) See, I want a
Jen (19:01) part two, so I don't want a part two. (19:02) So I played roller derby, bank track roller derby, hardcore, and I was tired of the putting my pump in my bra or worried about this and that or taking it off and not having insulin in my body, and that's why I went to MDI for a little bit. (19:16) And then I went to so I was on Afrezza from '17 until August '25. (19:24) So what? (19:24) That's eight years.
Scott Bennner (19:25) Why'd you stop?
Jen (19:26) So yep. (19:27) So then I stopped Afrezza and went straight to Trio without doing any other thing because I have another friend who does Trio, and she's been pushing it for, like, a year. (19:38) And Afrezza, I still had really good a one c's with it. (19:43) Mhmm. (19:43) In good my standard deviation is usually around thirty, thirty five, just to answer that question.
Jen (19:48) But on Afrezza, I was doing well, but I what I didn't like about Afrezza is I would have to do it correctly, I would put it into my Dexcom app. (19:59) I would put, like, how much insulin I took because it's in and out of me in about an hour. (20:03) And so I didn't wanna I wanted you know, so I'd put it in my app every time I took a you know, and then I'd have to okay. (20:09) I took four units, and now, you know, like, I'm going up. (20:12) Do I need more?
Jen (20:13) Is this a protein rise? (20:14) Whatever.
Scott Bennner (20:15) Felt like a lot of tracking work?
Jen (20:16) It's a lot of tracking. (20:18) Yep.
Scott Bennner (20:19) What was your a one c on the Afrezza?
Jen (20:21) It was in the fives. (20:22) Okay. (20:23) Anywhere from well, I I I would say it was anywhere from 5.3 to 6.1.
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Jen (21:38) I do. (21:38) Oh, you do? (21:39) Okay. (21:39) Yeah. (21:39) That's what I like about the Trio app is that you can put in external insulin.
Jen (21:43) Yeah. (21:44) And I don't think a lot of algorithms always do that. (21:46) So if I miss if I don't pre bolus or whatever, something happens and my sugar's really high, and I know this is gonna take a long time to come down or longer than I want, longer than an hour, then I'll take the smallest dose of Afrezza. (21:59) I'll put it into the algorithm so it knows I have that insulin on board, and then it'll bring me right down. (22:03) Wow.
Jen (22:04) And then I kinda have the soft landing. (22:06) So I still use both. (22:07) If I'm out and about and and I don't have time to pre bolus and I I really wanna eat, I'll use Afrezza
Scott Bennner (22:15) Okay.
Jen (22:15) Instead of the
Scott Bennner (22:17) Using the pump?
Jen (22:18) The Humalog. (22:19) Yeah. (22:19) Instead of the pump. (22:20) Yeah. (22:21) So I do both, but I'm mainly doing the trio.
Scott Bennner (22:24) Okay. (22:25) Yeah. (22:25) Alright. (22:26) Yeah. (22:27) What was I gonna say there?
Scott Bennner (22:28) Shoot. (22:30) I lost my train of thought. (22:31) Damn it.
Jen (22:32) Damn it.
Scott Bennner (22:33) Damn. (22:33) Damn. (22:33) Damn. (22:34) Damn. (22:34) Damn.
Scott Bennner (22:34) Damn.
Jen (22:36) It's okay. (22:37) He'll edit this out.
Scott Bennner (22:37) No. (22:38) I probably won't. (22:40) No. (22:40) I mean, that's that that's but oh, I I have it now. (22:43) I'm sorry.
Scott Bennner (22:44) So Mhmm. (22:45) Did having listened to the pro tip series eventually help you, or did you end up having to go back
Jen (22:50) You totally helped me.
Scott Bennner (22:51) Okay.
Jen (22:52) And I'm sorry I'm calling you dude all the time. (22:53) I say that a lot,
Scott Bennner (22:54) but whatever you want. (22:55) I don't care.
Jen (22:56) Okay. (22:56) Good. (22:56) Okay. (22:56) Cool. (22:57) Yeah.
Jen (22:57) But yes. (22:58) So once I went oh, well, before I went on Trio, that's when I I, like, I put it on Facebook or I'd I'd message you. (23:05) I'm like, hey, dude. (23:06) You ever gonna talk about Trio? (23:07) Mhmm.
Jen (23:07) And you're like, yeah. (23:08) Eventually. (23:09) And I'm like, well, hurry up. (23:10) Well, you, you know, you you can't do things. (23:12) You you have your schedule.
Jen (23:13) Right? (23:13) So I'm like, okay. (23:14) So I went back, and I listened to the Pro Series for sure, like, religiously. (23:19) And then I listened to the Loop, even though I know Loop's very different from Trio, but it's not that different. (23:25) I listened to all the Loop.
Jen (23:27) I'm like, okay. (23:28) I wanna understand algorithms. (23:29) I wanna under you know what I mean? (23:31) And then I got on the Trio Facebook group, and I'm talking to my friend. (23:34) And I finally said, what and so the the the the thing about Afrezza, what's great about it, is it's quick in and quick out.
Jen (23:43) So I never had to worry about really, really dropping during exercise. (23:47) You know, I as long as I eat an hour before, it's out of my system. (23:50) I can go exercise, go run, go play pickleball. (23:53) I'm not gonna drop. (23:54) Right?
Jen (23:55) And so I was hesitant to go onto an algorithm because of, you know, insulin being acting like it does. (24:02) And so it's been a big shift. (24:04) Like, I have to because at first, I did pre bolus. (24:06) I would literally go, this is how much I'm eating, and I would take it as soon as I started eating or sometimes after
Scott Bennner (24:12) Okay.
Jen (24:12) I ate, and it would still cover the rise or whatever. (24:15) And so it's a whole different mindset to go from Afrezza, I think, to an algorithm. (24:22) But I only did it because I had a friend who really knows the Trio app and was helped me with my settings, helped me with everything.
Scott Bennner (24:29) Made sense to you to try it.
Jen (24:31) Yeah. (24:31) Yeah. (24:31) Yeah. (24:31) So that's that's why. (24:33) But Afrezza's great, and it I love it as a complimentary now, but it definitely you have to be willing to track it.
Jen (24:41) Because if you don't if let's say you take you'd inhale it right now, and then in thirty minutes, you know, you go, oh, I'm rising. (24:49) When did I take it? (24:50) Was it fifteen minutes ago, was it an hour? (24:52) You know? (24:53) And because if it's just fifteen minutes, you'd probably need to wait.
Jen (24:55) It probably hasn't hit you really yet. (24:57) You know? (24:57) So that's why I would track it and and stay. (25:00) And then you'd always have to follow-up. (25:02) So, like, you take it for the initial rise, then you have to take a follow-up dose for the protein, then another dose for the fat.
Jen (25:08) You know what I'm saying? (25:09) So there you it was like a constant having to take it.
Scott Bennner (25:11) You're involved. (25:12) You felt involved too much.
Jen (25:14) Yeah. (25:14) I did. (25:15) And then, like, Tresiba was not doing a great job. (25:18) I was a little in denial, but at night I I was trying to I'm trying to figure this out. (25:22) But at night, almost every time when I lay my head down, my sugar goes high.
Jen (25:26) No matter what time I go to bed, it, like, starts going up. (25:29) And and I so I try to adjust the Tresiba, and it it would make me low, you know, like, maybe twelve hours later. (25:37) You know, it just I couldn't figure out the Tresiba. (25:39) But because Afrezza worked so well the rest of the time, I was like, it's worth it.
Scott Bennner (25:44) Okay.
Jen (25:44) And so but then, again, I got tired of tracking it. (25:48) I wanted to see if this algorithm could help me with my nighttime blood sugars. (25:51) And And that's why I'm at a 5.1. (25:53) Oh. (25:53) I mean, that's the only way I got to a 5.1 because my blood sugars overnight are so beautiful.
Jen (25:58) I'm like, this is so great. (25:59) Yeah. (25:59) But what I do have to do is when I get get ready for bed, I usually read before bed, and I'll I gotta remember my override. (26:06) Go, okay. (26:07) Nighttime override, and it's, like, 40% increased basil for two hours, and then it tends to cover the bump at night.
Jen (26:15) So that's what I do.
Scott Bennner (26:17) If I made you choose between the two, you'd pick Trio over Afrezza?
Jen (26:20) For sure. (26:21) Mhmm. (26:22) Yes. (26:23) I love it. (26:23) Yeah.
Jen (26:23) It's really great. (26:25) I mean, I still don't like that I have to get ready for exercise and the whole thing. (26:28) I but I just I just you just have to. (26:31) I wish insulin was quicker like Afrezza. (26:33) Yeah.
Jen (26:34) If we had quick liquid insulin, it would be amazing. (26:37) I think for now, I would stick with Trio.
Scott Bennner (26:41) Okay. (26:41) Fair enough.
Jen (26:42) Just because I don't have to worry about the in between as much.
Scott Bennner (26:45) Yeah.
Jen (26:45) Because I know the algorithm's taking care of me in between eating and whatnot.
Scott Bennner (26:49) Yeah. (26:50) Arden's been we all got sick last week, and Arden was, like, the last one. (26:54) But pretty interesting after she did eventually get sick, but she kicked it in, a couple of days, which I think we think is because she got her tonsils and adenoids out that she wasn't sick forever like she used to be when she was sick. (27:07) Mhmm. (27:07) But, nevertheless, she's sick for a few days, and she didn't really eat.
Scott Bennner (27:12) And really didn't matter. (27:14) Like, that thing
Jen (27:15) just Perfect. (27:15) Right? (27:15) If I didn't have to eat, Trejo would be I'd have to be a a 4.8. (27:19) Yeah. (27:20) I mean, like, it's just perfect.
Scott Bennner (27:21) Really kept her super steady while she was Yeah.
Jen (27:24) Going great.
Scott Bennner (27:24) Yes. (27:25) Sleeping and ill and, like, all that stuff.
Jen (27:28) Yeah. (27:28) So are you gonna do are you gonna talk about I know we're talking about it now, but are you hoping to it would just be great if you and Jenny would talk about trio.
Scott Bennner (27:37) So that's the thing is you have to find somebody who really understands the the
Jen (27:41) Yeah. (27:42) The algorithm.
Scott Bennner (27:43) Well, yeah. (27:44) I mean, how is it working and what are what are all these settings doing and how do you go through the different menus and make sense of them? (27:49) And I'm not that person.
Jen (27:51) Me either. (27:52) I know.
Scott Bennner (27:52) And so I really I enjoy the people very much who work on the algorithm, but sometimes they're not that person either. (28:00) Like, they're not as I love those guys, and a couple of them have been on the show, like but they Yeah. (28:05) They're better at the part that makes the algorithm than they are about the part that talks about it.
Jen (28:11) Yes. (28:11) Yes.
Scott Bennner (28:12) And it's tough. (28:12) So you're looking for someone conversational who like, it's a tough mix. (28:17) Like, you have to have a technical understanding of it and be conversational about at the same time. (28:21) Because otherwise, someone's just gonna come on and read a manual to you, and that doesn't really help you and you don't care to begin with.
Jen (28:26) Right.
Scott Bennner (28:26) And if someone just comes on and, like, you know, just talks about, like, oh, it's great because of this and that, like, that's not very directional. (28:34) And Mhmm. (28:35) I don't know. (28:35) It's tough. (28:36) Like, I just don't think that person has become obvious to me yet.
Jen (28:41) But is Jenny using trio?
Scott Bennner (28:43) She does. (28:44) Yeah. (28:44) But, I mean So
Jen (28:45) could she talk about it? (28:46) I don't
Scott Bennner (28:46) know how deeply I don't know if I've ever asked her.
Jen (28:48) I don't
Scott Bennner (28:48) know how deeply she can talk about it.
Jen (28:50) Scott, you gotta ask Jenny.
Scott Bennner (28:52) Well, Jenny Jenny's busy. (28:53) Also, making, like, bolus four episodes, and she has a life and all the kids and a job and stuff like that.
Jen (28:59) So You could at least look. (29:00) If I can talk to my sisters, you can ask Jenny.
Scott Bennner (29:03) I mean, it's not that I can't it's not that I can't ask her. (29:05) I just like I know. (29:06) I don't know what I I don't know that she's the right person. (29:09) Not that she doesn't understand it, but, like, the conversationally. (29:12) Like, I just did an interview with somebody else, and they I loved the way they thought about things.
Scott Bennner (29:18) I loved their their understanding of it. (29:20) And then when I got done with them, I was like, it didn't go great. (29:24) And, like, there's just there's a there's an x factor about people who can just kinda, like, bounce through it and talk about it, and it's you don't know who it is right away.
Jen (29:31) Right. (29:32) You need a Kenny Fox for Trio.
Scott Bennner (29:34) Well and listen. (29:35) I love Kenny, but Kenny also talks way too technically about it.
Jen (29:38) Well, that's true. (29:39) It's very technical. (29:39) I know. (29:40) I know.
Scott Bennner (29:40) I'm the one that dumbs Kenny down.
Jen (29:42) I know. (29:43) You're right. (29:43) Yeah. (29:43) You do have to dumb him down.
Scott Bennner (29:44) That. (29:45) I can't smart it up. (29:47) Like, I can dumb it down, but I can't smart it up. (29:49) Does that make sense?
Jen (29:50) Well, don't you think the main thing about Trio is that it has dynamic ISF, which means, right, the ISF, you put it in there, but then it will change as needed.
Scott Bennner (30:00) Oh, sure.
Jen (30:00) Which I think is amazing.
Scott Bennner (30:01) Need to talk about that on a podcast for. (30:03) Just use the damn thing.
Jen (30:04) Well yeah.
Scott Bennner (30:05) You put your settings in, and it it'll help. (30:08) You know? (30:08) Generally speaking for Arden, I think it adjusts well with her changes.
Jen (30:13) But listen. (30:14) But when you talk about an extended bolus with other algorithms, this doesn't have an extended bolus. (30:19) Right? (30:20) Alright. (30:20) So, you know, like, it so
Scott Bennner (30:22) Yeah. (30:22) We just put in fat and protein in the and let it do the thing that way.
Jen (30:26) That's what I'm saying. (30:27) Right? (30:27) You let it do the thing. (30:28) So I just wanted to clarify with you. (30:29) When you say extended bolus, I don't need to do anything because I'm on trio is all I wanna know.
Jen (30:35) You know what I mean? (30:35) Like, that kind of stuff.
Scott Bennner (30:36) If you're putting together, like, a high fat meal. (30:39) Right? (30:39) Right. (30:40) And it's got 16, you know, 18 carbs in it, then and you put that in your in the bolus calculator when you make your when you make your your meal bolus, it's gonna spread out more boluses into the future to cover that fat. (30:55) Right.
Scott Bennner (30:55) But that is an extended bolus. (30:56) It's just being extended by the algorithm.
Jen (30:59) That's what I mean. (30:59) I don't have to go in and do it. (31:01) So my point is my wife will come to me now that she's listened to the pro series, and I've known her for thirteen years, by way. (31:06) But, anyway, so she just listened to it. (31:07) She was, babe, you need to do it.
Jen (31:09) Extend the bolus. (31:10) I'm like, babe. (31:11) No. (31:11) I don't. (31:12) You know, because Trio's doing it for me.
Jen (31:14) I'm pretty sure.
Scott Bennner (31:14) Yeah. (31:15) But but if, I mean, but if you are getting a rise, you know, after a fatty meal, then maybe the FPU calculation in Trio doesn't work for you or for that meal.
Jen (31:25) Right.
Scott Bennner (31:26) You know? (31:26) And I don't know if I I don't wanna be clear. (31:28) See, this is why I don't talk about it. (31:29) I don't know if the Trio app is using the Warsaw calculator or not to figure out fat. (31:34) I don't know how it does it.
Jen (31:35) It is. (31:36) It is. (31:36) Yep. (31:37) If you look at the info, it yeah. (31:39) It's using that method.
Jen (31:40) But I'm not gonna look at
Scott Bennner (31:41) the infield. (31:41) That sounds like a lot
Jen (31:42) of work. (31:42) I know you're I know it's so much work. (31:44) But that's fair. (31:45) That's fair. (31:46) I just wanted to make sure that because I you know, we're kinda on cutting edge.
Jen (31:50) I feel good about that that I'm like, with this algorithm. (31:53) But that when I'm listening to you and Jenny speak, then I'm like, okay. (31:57) But I think the algorithm's doing that for me. (31:59) You know, that's the only thing I I sometimes question. (32:02) So
Scott Bennner (32:03) I think that not dissimilarly to when people say, oh, that pro tip series, I'm MDI. (32:09) That's not for me. (32:10) That pro tip series is exactly for you if you're MDI.
Jen (32:12) Totally. (32:13) Totally. (32:14) Yes.
Scott Bennner (32:14) Just because it's just about putting in insulin in certain places. (32:18) Like, can do that with a syringe. (32:20) Right? (32:20) You can do that. (32:21) You can do that.
Scott Bennner (32:22) But some people have that knee jerk reaction like, oh, this isn't exactly what I'm doing. (32:27) You can adapt it. (32:28) And I think the same thing for, you know, conceptually where insulin goes in and how and, you know, how you time it, how much of it is, you know, timing and amount. (32:38) If you're using Trio, those ideas still work there. (32:41) Like, it's automating stuff for you.
Scott Bennner (32:43) Fair enough. (32:44) But Uh-huh. (32:45) But, nevertheless, like, the idea, like, the the the foundation of what you're doing, which is timing and amount and understanding the impacts of different foods, that that's still the same.
Jen (32:54) Right.
Scott Bennner (32:55) Yeah. (32:55) Okay. (32:55) So I would say don't overthink it. (32:57) Like, take your general knowledge and apply it to the thing you're doing.
Jen (33:01) Yes. (33:01) Yeah. (33:01) That's fair.
Scott Bennner (33:02) That's how I think
Jen (33:03) of it. (33:03) I could do that.
Scott Bennner (33:03) Yeah.
Jen (33:04) Well, can I just talk you tell me if I'm all over the place? (33:06) You already said I am. (33:07) But I wanted to mention this one thing about Lowe's, if I can, just in case there's other people that have had this experience. (33:13) So I was on an algorithm, I don't wanna say which one, two years ago, for, like, three months. (33:21) And this algorithm is very conservative, and I was used to a really tight control.
Jen (33:27) But, again, I tried this algorithm, not trio, another one, because of that nighttime rise. (33:32) I thought, well, maybe an algorithm will catch it. (33:33) Mhmm. (33:34) Well, it didn't, by the way. (33:35) It did not help me in that way.
Jen (33:37) But what happened was, I think, because it was so conservative and I was high like, to me, high is over two like, over one fifty is high, but 200, I'm I'm mad. (33:46) Right? (33:47) I'm upset. (33:47) And with being on Afrezza before that, I wasn't used to being high for very long.
Scott Bennner (33:51) Right.
Jen (33:51) So if I was high for three hours, I was like, this is not cool. (33:54) So I kept giving myself insulin, giving myself insulin. (33:57) And then at this point, two years ago, I was alone. (34:01) My wife was working in South Dakota on an Indian reservation. (34:05) That's a whole another story, but she's gone.
Jen (34:07) Right? (34:07) And and all of a sudden, I remember, like and the other funny part as I was talking to this pumps rep on the phone, she was trying to help me with the algorithm. (34:18) I get off the phone with her, like, 05:30 at night. (34:21) I wasn't very impressed with her. (34:22) Like, she didn't help me at all.
Jen (34:24) And then all of a sudden, I'm I'm starting to make, like, a dinner or whatever, and then I'm like, oh, dear. (34:29) Like, I could feel, like, oh god. (34:31) I'm really dropping. (34:32) And I look, and the two hours are going down. (34:34) The Dexcom's alarming me.
Jen (34:35) I'm freaking out. (34:37) And I just remember, like, oh my god. (34:39) And I remember pacing in my kitchen slash living room. (34:43) And I have two little dogs. (34:44) I remember that their heads were distorted.
Jen (34:46) Their eyes looked big, and they're licking me because I'm sweaty. (34:50) And I know I'm supposed to do something. (34:52) And I'm like, what am I supposed to do? (34:53) I don't know what I'm supposed to do right now. (34:55) I'm supposed to do something, and I just kept pacing and pacing.
Jen (34:58) And we have a Ring camera, and my wife, of course, is following me. (35:01) So she's in South Dakota, and she's going, oh my god. (35:04) My wife is, you know I could see her pacing. (35:07) I could see her not drinking juice, and I can't get so she's texting me. (35:11) And I remember looking at my phone going, what's that?
Jen (35:13) Didn't know what a text was. (35:14) Mhmm. (35:15) I'm like, oh my god. (35:16) What is I don't what who's tech I was like, what is this? (35:18) And then all of a sudden, the TV, I went, oh, oh my god.
Jen (35:21) The TV's trying to talk to me because it was black, and then all of sudden, it had a sentence on it. (35:26) And I went, what the hell? (35:27) And I'm like, what is the TV's trying to do to me? (35:30) She was apparently trying to talk to I'm not gonna say her name because she'll start talking, but Alicia, you know Mhmm. (35:36) You know, Alexa.
Jen (35:37) She's trying to get Alexa to make an announcement. (35:41) Jen, drink juice. (35:43) And that's what they said on the TV. (35:44) And so she's trying to help me, calling me. (35:46) I don't I don't understand how to answer a phone.
Jen (35:48) I mean, I was that bad.
Scott Bennner (35:49) Yeah.
Jen (35:50) And then eventually, I I I grabbed some Wheat Thins. (35:54) Why? (35:54) Because they were on the cat on the counter. (35:56) I'm eating Wheat Thins, which is the worst thing to eat. (35:58) Because how dry is that?
Jen (35:59) I mean, I'm eating these Wheat Thins. (36:01) And and I just remember and I sat on the couch, all of sudden, you know, you come too. (36:05) And I went, oh my god. (36:08) Like and I look, and there's crumbs everywhere on the counter, and I'm just, like, freaking out. (36:12) And I text my wife, and I'm like, babe, I'm so sorry.
Jen (36:15) I'm okay. (36:15) And, you know, the whole thing.
Scott Bennner (36:17) But thank god you didn't put the wheat thins away because you know she's the one that left them out. (36:21) Right?
Jen (36:22) Right. (36:22) Yeah. (36:23) Seriously. (36:24) Yeah. (36:24) And so but what's what's really you know, and my heart was pounding.
Jen (36:28) I had all the symptoms of of a really bad low, But not only was that a bad low, but maybe a week later, I I think I had almost like PTSD. (36:38) So as soon as I saw two arrows going down, no matter what I was, I my heart would start pounding. (36:44) Take your knees. (36:45) I'd start sweating, and I'm going, oh my god. (36:48) Maybe the Dexcom's off.
Jen (36:49) Oh my god. (36:49) Maybe I'm having a low. (36:50) And I was so and I was like, I was foggy brained, and I literally gave myself a a whatchamacallit? (36:57) A Gvo pin in the in the leg, And I don't even know if I was low. (37:02) But my wife told me later, she said, sweetie, I think you're having a panic attack.
Jen (37:07) Oh. (37:07) And I went, what? (37:08) I've never had a panic attack. (37:10) She goes, pretty sure you're having a panic attack. (37:12) What you're telling me was happening, you know, is more of a panic attack than a low blood sugar.
Jen (37:18) So, anyway, I I had to change the Dexcom alarm. (37:22) I couldn't stand the sound. (37:23) I'm like, I hate the sound. (37:25) You know? (37:26) And and I did that.
Jen (37:27) And then and that was the other reason with the Fresa. (37:30) Fresa's great, but it it it it'll drop you quick. (37:33) You know what I mean? (37:34) And that it was you would see two arrows coming down all the time, but then it would come in in a soft landing. (37:39) Right?
Jen (37:40) Because it's in and out in an hour for me. (37:42) And but it's still that trigger of, oh god. (37:44) Oh god. (37:45) Oh god. (37:45) You know, I'm dropping really quick.
Jen (37:47) And I'm just now two hour two years later, you know, not as worried about having but it still happened before where it's almost like I'm causing these symptoms mentally, and it's really scary because they're very similar to to a low blood sugar.
Scott Bennner (38:04) Some
Jen (38:04) of those triggers
Scott Bennner (38:04) kinda make you panicky.
Jen (38:07) Yes.
Scott Bennner (38:07) Yeah. (38:08) Wow. (38:08) No. (38:09) I I can't I can't blame you. (38:10) That that's gotta be frightening.
Scott Bennner (38:12) Also, the TV's talking to you, like, right out of Pluribus. (38:15) You watch that?
Jen (38:16) I mean, sir say that again?
Scott Bennner (38:17) Have you watched the Pluribus show on Apple Plus?
Jen (38:20) No. (38:21) Oh, it's pretty good. (38:21) Was a severance. (38:22) Did you say severance?
Scott Bennner (38:23) No. (38:23) No. (38:24) Is it not Pluribus with, like, a one in it or something like that? (38:27) I haven't figured the one out yet.
Jen (38:29) Oh, I haven't watched that one. (38:30) No. (38:31) I don't know.
Scott Bennner (38:31) Yeah. (38:31) It's Plur is it yeah. (38:33) It's Pluribus.
Jen (38:35) Oh, yeah. (38:36) Yeah. (38:36) I've heard of it, but I haven't watched it yet.
Scott Bennner (38:38) Watch that. (38:38) It'll freak you out when the TV starts talking to her.
Jen (38:40) Awesome. (38:41) Great.
Scott Bennner (38:41) You'll probably you'll probably give yourself glucagon when it
Jen (38:43) happens. (38:46) Exactly.
Scott Bennner (38:47) My gosh.
Jen (38:48) So do I.
Scott Bennner (38:48) Well, that's frightening. (38:49) I mean and not you know? (38:52) Gosh. (38:53) I just think that we probably don't talk enough about adults by themselves Yeah. (39:00) And what that must feel like.
Scott Bennner (39:01) You know?
Jen (39:02) It's really scary. (39:03) I told her. (39:03) I said, you have got to quit that job. (39:05) Was like, I hate being by myself. (39:07) Was so afraid to be alone.
Jen (39:08) Damn it. (39:10) Sit and stare at me like Scott stares at Arden. (39:12) Okay? (39:13) And do someone to stare at me and tell me if I'm okay.
Scott Bennner (39:15) Funny. (39:16) Haven't laid eyes on Arden in, like, thirty six hours too.
Jen (39:19) Yeah. (39:19) Yeah. (39:19) I know. (39:19) Know you have. (39:20) I mean, wish she was little.
Jen (39:21) I know.
Scott Bennner (39:21) But Yeah.
Jen (39:22) Yeah. (39:23) But so I yeah. (39:24) I was like but I was, and my wife was like, okay. (39:27) We have to have a neighbor's like, we gotta give them the garage code, a key. (39:32) I'm like, babe.
Jen (39:33) I'm like, I don't wanna have to walk in. (39:35) I'm naked because I'm, you know, I'm so hot and sweaty that I've taken all my clothes off. (39:39) She's like, they'll be okay. (39:40) Yeah. (39:41) Better
Scott Bennner (39:41) naked. (39:41) Better naked naked. (39:43) Yeah.
Jen (39:44) I know. (39:44) I know.
Scott Bennner (39:44) And then one time she felt trying to send messages through the Alexa
Jen (39:48) so helpless. (39:49) I know. (39:49) I was like, I felt so bad for her because she said, I could see you circling. (39:53) And she says, oh my god, babe. (39:54) She knew it was bad because of the number plus my behavior.
Jen (39:58) Because normally, I can feel it if I'm at 70 or 60 or whatever and, you know, and I know what to do, but it was like I was so depleted of sugar in my brain
Scott Bennner (40:07) Yeah. (40:07) Yeah.
Jen (40:08) That I didn't know what to do. (40:09) It was so scary. (40:10) Is she
Scott Bennner (40:11) watching you on a camera?
Jen (40:12) Yes. (40:12) It was a Ring camera that was in the living room, and so she could see me pacing. (40:18) And she could see the dogs following me, and and, yeah, she felt helpless because she called me, and I didn't answer. (40:25) She texted me. (40:25) I didn't respond, and she tried to talk to Alexa, and I didn't respond because I I literally was so low.
Jen (40:32) I didn't know what a text was.
Scott Bennner (40:33) No. (40:34) Of course.
Jen (40:34) I mean, that's crazy.
Scott Bennner (40:35) Did she get to the point where she called 911?
Jen (40:38) No. (40:39) Because say why? (40:41) She oh, she was close. (40:42) I mean, I think she was, like I was about to call 911, and then she I think she saw me starting to eat the wheat thins because they were in the kitchen.
Scott Bennner (40:50) Okay.
Jen (40:50) So she saw me start eating. (40:52) I'm pretty sure it's what happened. (40:53) And I think I finally as soon as I started eating, I was able to go, I'm I'm I'm, you know, I'm not okay, but I'm gonna be okay. (41:00) You know? (41:00) Sort of like I'm still coming up.
Scott Bennner (41:01) But Don't worry about me. (41:03) Worry about the dogs. (41:04) Something's wrong with their eyes.
Jen (41:06) Their eyes are popping out of their head. (41:08) Yeah. (41:08) Something else like that.
Scott Bennner (41:09) Something really wrong with the dogs.
Jen (41:10) Totally. (41:11) Their heads are distorted. (41:12) They're so big. (41:13) I don't understand what's happening. (41:14) Yeah.
Jen (41:14) But I could just see their concern. (41:16) It was like Mhmm. (41:17) Yeah. (41:17) It was weird how everything was so distorted. (41:19) It was so scary.
Scott Bennner (41:20) Do you think they were just waiting for you to die so they could eat you?
Jen (41:23) Probably. (41:24) Yeah. (41:24) I mean, they love to lick the salt from the sweat. (41:26) So They're like,
Scott Bennner (41:27) oh my god. (41:28) She's gonna taste great when she passes out.
Jen (41:32) Exactly. (41:32) So, anyway, I do wanna mention that that was horrible, and I hope no one else has that. (41:37) But but I've never had a seizure, which I'm very grateful for. (41:41) And that's the other thing about being having the trio. (41:44) I feel a little more safe, I guess, with it with lows.
Jen (41:49) I mean, I still can have a bad low if something weird happens or the Dex comes off or whatever, but I still feel so much safer Mhmm. (41:57) Than I ever have before, and so I'm very grateful for that.
Scott Bennner (42:00) There's something to be said for a thing that is taking away insulin when it thinks you're gonna get low. (42:05) That's pretty damn valuable.
Jen (42:06) It's really important. (42:08) And I'll say I'm also on Zepbound, so that helps with, I think, algorithms and things, you know, used in less insulin and stuff. (42:16) But because going back to the hormone thing, like, I eventually went to a hormone specialist. (42:22) I was at 47, was actually in menopause. (42:25) I went to menopause very early.
Scott Bennner (42:26) Mhmm.
Jen (42:27) And as soon as I got on the estrogen and progesterone, my blood sugar stopped going from two hours up to two hours down for no reason, and now it was just more normal again. (42:36) So that really helped. (42:37) But even though I've always exercised, I've been a runner, I work out, I eat healthy, I take care of myself, I had gained, like, 30 pounds. (42:45) I couldn't lose it. (42:46) And I'm like, what the heck?
Jen (42:47) And so an ex endo, I don't see her anymore, but she mentioned, you know, Ozempic or whatever. (42:55) I can't remember what it was, but I think it was Ozempic. (42:57) And she goes, it's not approved for type ones, but off label, I can prescribe it. (43:03) We could see if insurance will cover it. (43:04) And so I started off with the sample pens for, like, three months.
Jen (43:07) I kept that going as long as I could Mhmm. (43:09) And lost weight, and now I'm at my normal weight. (43:12) And the amount of Afrezza, I was using probably a hundred units a day, which is really, like, fifty units of normal insulin. (43:20) And, normally, I was using fifty. (43:21) So I was using twice as much insulin.
Jen (43:23) And then as soon as I got on the GLP one, I went back down to about 45 to 50 units. (43:28) And now today, I use about 30 to 35, including basil on the yep. (43:35) And so I'm willing to pay the $4.99 a month. (43:39) I hate that I pay that much, but that's what I'm doing is that Lilly Direct plan Mhmm. (43:44) To be able to get it because it's worth it to me.
Jen (43:47) And I and I split it. (43:48) So I I take it, like, on a Saturday and then a Wednesday. (43:52) So I have it set up on my phone to remind me, but I split the dose because the dose doesn't last the whole time for me. (43:58) Yeah. (43:58) And when I would just do one dose, by day six, I was my sugars would be crazy again.
Scott Bennner (44:03) Yeah.
Jen (44:04) I'm like, this sucks. (44:05) I don't wanna have to deal you know what I mean? (44:06) It's a
Scott Bennner (44:07) Did you find that you you didn't need it all to begin with?
Jen (44:09) I think it was so, like, I'm on on Zepbound. (44:12) I'm on twelve point five, so it's a higher dose.
Scott Bennner (44:14) Oh, okay.
Jen (44:15) But, I'm supposed to the dose is fifty units because I get them in little vials, like little insulin vials. (44:20) That's how they ship it to. (44:21) It's not pens. (44:22) Yeah. (44:23) So if you use a syringe with it so I can dose it.
Jen (44:25) Right? (44:25) So I use 20, so forty units a week. (44:29) So twenty, you know, on a Wednesday and twenty on a, on a Saturday.
Scott Bennner (44:33) Mhmm.
Jen (44:33) And by splitting it up, I use, I mean, I don't have a weird day without GLP one in me.
Scott Bennner (44:42) I yeah. (44:42) I I feel like that a a microdosing of it is probably really valuable for people. (44:47) Did you you needed to lose some weight, but you lost it. (44:50) It's gone now?
Jen (44:51) Oh, yeah. (44:51) I totally need to lose weight.
Scott Bennner (44:52) Okay.
Jen (44:53) Because I promise you, I've always exercised. (44:55) I've always eaten healthy, and I could not lose weight. (44:58) I'm like, I'm running three miles a day. (45:00) I'm lifting weights. (45:01) I'm eating really healthy.
Jen (45:03) I'm taking care of my blood sugar. (45:04) I'm on hormones, and I think it was just hormones. (45:07) And then I think I'm GLP one deficient. (45:10) I mean, that's the only thing I can figure out. (45:12) And now I'm at a very healthy weight, and now I basically use it.
Jen (45:17) Because I still get really hungry because I still work out a lot. (45:20) I do orange theory. (45:21) So when I work out and lift weights, I'm hungry. (45:24) So I still have hunger, but I used to wake up every morning famished, and now I don't. (45:30) Yeah.
Jen (45:30) And I used to just snack all the time, I don't snack as much as I used to. (45:35) It was more of a I think my body needed it. (45:39) And, I mean, my my endo is like, I think you have some insulin resistance. (45:43) And so let's, you know, let's put you on this GOP. (45:47) Mhmm.
Jen (45:47) And that's how it started. (45:49) So
Scott Bennner (45:49) Yeah. (45:49) Oh, good for you. (45:50) I think it's really valuable. (45:52) I I still maintain that it's been keeping Larden needs down by, like, 30. (45:58) So Totally.
Jen (45:58) Yeah. (45:59) Yeah. (45:59) It really dropped mine.
Scott Bennner (46:00) It stops the you know, any kind of post meal spikes that maybe, you know, come from, you know, a bad bolus or a bad side or something like that are lesser, fewer low blood sugars, more stability, you know, a lot comes with it.
Jen (46:17) So I definitely recommend it. (46:19) For sure. (46:20) It's made my life a lot easier.
Scott Bennner (46:22) So I'm glad. (46:23) That's awesome. (46:24) Yeah. (46:24) And I really appreciate you doing this with me. (46:26) Thank you very much.
Scott Bennner (46:27) This was You're
Jen (46:27) so welcome.
Scott Bennner (46:28) You did a great job, and this was awesome. (46:30) I had a great time talking with you.
Jen (46:32) Yeah.
Scott Bennner (46:32) Yeah. (46:33) Yeah. (46:33) I did I never even noticed your accent.
Jen (46:34) Oh, I don't believe that. (46:35) That's right.
Scott Bennner (46:36) I am lying about that completely.
Jen (46:37) You're so lying about that, Scott. (46:39) What do
Scott Bennner (46:39) we call this episode?
Jen (46:40) Dude, that was what I was I know. (46:42) I told Kelly, I'm like, I want a part one and part two, and then I want I wonder what he's gonna call it.
Scott Bennner (46:48) Well, I gotta figure out what's Listen. (46:50) Call it, but I'll I do wanna say one thing. (46:52) Do wanna tell you one thing. (46:54) Saint John's is a small island off of Canada. (46:57) Saint John is in the Virgin Islands.
Scott Bennner (46:59) There's no evidence. (47:00) No You're call me
Jen (47:01) out for that. (47:01) No. (47:01) I was. (47:02) You're right. (47:02) You're right.
Jen (47:03) I know.
Scott Bennner (47:03) I'm right.
Jen (47:03) So I was in Saint John.
Scott Bennner (47:05) I the entire time you said it.
Jen (47:07) Are you serious?
Scott Bennner (47:08) Yeah. (47:08) But out
Jen (47:08) of respect. (47:09) You wait. (47:09) No. (47:10) No. (47:10) No.
Jen (47:10) You should have told me.
Scott Bennner (47:11) No. (47:11) No. (47:11) Let people understand now.
Jen (47:13) Okay. (47:14) Got it.
Scott Bennner (47:14) Saint John. (47:15) By the way, my brother got married on Saint John.
Jen (47:18) Really? (47:18) That's cool. (47:19) Yeah.
Scott Bennner (47:19) Yep. (47:20) I vacationed there on a couple of times. (47:21) There's actually I don't think I'm I should say this, but a fairly popular diabetes doctor, I think their daughter runs a charter boat on Saint John.
Jen (47:32) No way.
Scott Bennner (47:32) I just like I won't say who that is out of, like, you
Jen (47:35) know Yeah. (47:35) Yeah. (47:35) Yeah. (47:35) That's awesome.
Scott Bennner (47:36) Beautiful little island, like, flying to Saint Thomas, take the ferry over.
Jen (47:41) Mhmm. (47:41) The ferry. (47:42) Oh, yeah. (47:43) It's great.
Scott Bennner (47:43) Maybe maybe rent a Jeep if you're gonna move around. (47:45) If not, like, plop yourself into a house and just wander in
Jen (47:48) the beach. (47:49) Totally gotta have a Jeep because it's so hilly.
Scott Bennner (47:51) But Great island.
Jen (47:52) Yeah. (47:52) Twenty years ago when I was there, it was not touristy. (47:55) It was just really pretty, really nice.
Scott Bennner (47:58) I I mean, I haven't been there for a handful of years, but it's still it's just too small to be touristy. (48:02) And you have to,
Jen (48:03) like Is that what it is?
Scott Bennner (48:04) Yes. (48:04) Ends It's the effort. (48:05) You have to you have to I mean, you have to put your butt on a ferry and go across, and it's just not a thing people like, people get to Saint Thomas. (48:12) They're like, this is good. (48:13) I'll stay here.
Jen (48:13) This is good enough.
Scott Bennner (48:14) Right? (48:15) Yeah. (48:15) But, man Yeah. (48:16) Just really awesome. (48:17) I am going back to the Virgin Islands.
Scott Bennner (48:19) The cruise I'm doing in June makes a stop and I think sync hits. (48:24) I'm excited to go back.
Jen (48:25) No. (48:25) I'm going. (48:26) We're going on the cruise.
Scott Bennner (48:27) Oh, wait. (48:27) You're on the you're yeah. (48:28) You'll be there. (48:28) True. (48:29) Yeah.
Scott Bennner (48:29) Yeah.
Jen (48:29) Yeah. (48:29) I'm totally on the cruise. (48:30) Yep. (48:30) We're excited.
Scott Bennner (48:31) Well, then I'll see you then.
Jen (48:32) Yeah. (48:33) You'll get to meet the gens.
Scott Bennner (48:34) Yeah. (48:34) That's that's that that'll be awesome. (48:35) Oh, look at us.
Jen (48:36) Yeah. (48:36) See? (48:37) I know.
Scott Bennner (48:37) Oh, you're bring this full circle.
Jen (48:40) Yep. (48:40) So we are excited. (48:41) That'd be fun.
Scott Bennner (48:42) Good. (48:42) I am too. (48:43) Alright. (48:43) Great. (48:43) Well, if anybody wants to come along and meet the gens, juice cruise twenty twenty six is at juiceboxpodcast.com/juicecruise.
Scott Bennner (48:52) So Yes. (48:53) Alright. (48:53) Cool. (48:53) Thank you. (48:53) Hold on one second for me.
Jen (48:55) Okay. (48:55) Thanks, Scott.
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