#518 Brownie

Shaun Brown is an adult living with type 1 diabetes.

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Scott Benner 0:00
Friends Hello, and welcome to Episode 519 of the Juicebox Podcast.

Today's episode I'll be speaking with Sean brown Sean's an adult living with Type One Diabetes. And he and I go on a journey together, we talk about a little bit of everything. If I remember correctly, I was sick when I recorded this one. So I'm not 100% certain what I said. So you can't hold me accountable. Please remember while you're listening that nothing you hear on the Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice, medical or otherwise, please always consult a physician before making any changes to your health care plan. We're becoming bold with insulin. Now, there are some things you can do without consulting your physician for instance, you can listen to the diabetes pro tip episodes of the podcast. They begin at Episode 210. And they're also available at diabetes pro tip.com. So what I did there was like a weird little. Anyway, I turned it into a thing for you have a little extra stuff here? Oh, yeah, Sean's on Instagram. I wanted to tell you that because I really like him. And I thought if you want to check him out, you could he Shawn brownie, sh a un, br o w n IE.

This show is sponsored today by the glucagon that my daughter carries. g vo cuyp open, Find out more at G Vogue glucagon.com forward slash juice box. We're also sponsored by the Contour Next One blood glucose meter. I'd very much like it if you would check it out at Contour Next one.com forward slash juicebox. There are links in the show notes of your podcast player and links at Juicebox Podcast comm to these and all of the sponsors. Check them out. This one's gonna be interesting. I don't feel well this is the closest you're going to come to having conversation with me when I'm drunk or high that you're ever going to find because my face feels like it's seven inches in front of my skull for some reason. That's not good. I don't know what's going on. Exactly. I don't have any the COVID symptoms. So I'm feeling pretty good about that part. I just got sick the other day. But I don't I don't have any symptoms other than my head feels a little dancey and I'm a little achy, but that's about it. So, bomber. Yeah, sorry. Sorry to hear that. It's okay. I'll get through it. I usually the fit. I usually get sick and I usually kick my illnesses in a day. And this one's cuts quick. Yeah, this one's Hold on to me a couple days. So this must be worse than usual. My immune system is probably what killed Arden's pancreas honestly, it's really strong. I just don't normally get second face, Eric.

Shaun Brown 3:02
My name is Shaun Brown, type one diabetic, just turned 40. And honestly didn't have anything prepared. I thought you're just going to ask me questions.

Scott Benner 3:14
Because I just need you to introduce yourself. That's all you listen to the show. Right, john? You know, I listened to it pretty frequently. Yeah, I think beginning of every episode, someone's like, Hey, I'm Sean. Like, Bob, you knew this was coming. Did you? Yeah, I honestly didn't premeditated it very deeply. So I'm kind of I'm good with that. I appreciate that. Actually.

Shaun Brown 3:33
Yeah. Um, yeah, I figured it out. I actually at first, I had written some stuff down that to kind of think about what I may need to say. And then I thought, That's absolutely pointless, because I already know how you do the show.

Scott Benner 3:45
We're not gonna ask a bunch of like, scripted questions. That won't be right. Well, listen, you You said you're 40 years old. I just turned 40. Yeah. Happy birthday. And you've had diabetes for quite some time. How old were you and you're diagnosed.

Shaun Brown 4:00
So here's the funny thing. Like, I don't ever I always have to kind of quantify it by the grade I was in because I I never deeply thought about, like, even the idea of when people call a diversity. Yeah, that's absolutely new to me. Like I've never even heard of such a thing until I kind of joined the ecosphere of Instagram and such.

Scott Benner 4:22
Yeah, that's a social that's a social media construct, I think.

Shaun Brown 4:25
Yeah, it must be because I'm like, What is that? And I honestly was completely foreign to me to celebrate it to it seems kind of weird, but I guess I get it. But so I was in sixth grade and are just starting sixth grade. So that puts me probably around 12.

Scott Benner 4:45
Okay, cool. Well, I and I completely have to say I completely understand you thinking about that. We've never had a celebration marking Arden's day that she was diagnosed. I don't know that I could. Well, I do know about myself that if I didn't have my vlog, I wouldn't know when Arden was diagnosed other than to know that it was after her birthday, which would put it in the later summer. But I do know it was in August. But even as I'm being pressed, I don't know the date. So, yeah, and you know, it's up to you, right? Whether you how you want to deal with it or not deal with it or, you know, I think it's one of those things. Maybe you see people do that. That has a lot of value for them. And if you don't need that, then then oh, no, I didn't. Yeah, I didn't mean to like, downplay it like that. You didn't. By the way, don't forget, I'm sick. So this is gonna go. This could go awkward. Like, I don't know, I've definitely recorded when I had a head cold like this.

Shaun Brown 5:43
I'm pretty sure I already said that foot because I was all nervous about how to introduce myself. I did. I did the hard work for me.

Scott Benner 5:52
No, no, I listen, I What I'm saying is I can see their side of it. I can see wanting to mark the occasion, and celebrated like, you know, look at me, I've gone another year with this thing. And, you know, I completely get that. It's just not something that is occurred to us to do.

Shaun Brown 6:06
Yeah, I mean, it just kind of happened. And then it became my life. So I didn't beyond that. Right? I never. But yeah, I vividly remember specifically because, you know, I was not diabetic until sixth grade. So

Scott Benner 6:21
maybe the sixth grade gave me diabetes.

Shaun Brown 6:24
I think it was Yeah, although it was nice getting to go to the nurse office. And and ivig class. I used it as a tool not gonna front.

Scott Benner 6:35
Hey, I'm a little what would you say you were to get out?

Shaun Brown 6:38
I would I feel so bad admitting this. I just would you know, because it was it was totally new to me. And I knew I could leave the class. If I said I didn't feel well. So I you know, went to the nurse office, which in retrospect is terrible. And and kind of, I don't know, it makes me a crappy person.

Scott Benner 6:59
You think so? I don't think a 12 year old can be a crappy person for Oh,

Shaun Brown 7:02
no, no. Well, I you know, what's, what's ironic too, is when I think about it, I would tell the nurse like I feel low and she always had these Donald Duck juice OJS in the fridge. And she would have me test my blood and I know for a fact and right in retrospect that wasn't always low but she was still give me the oj I'm always scratching my head when I think about that one because I'm like, she was the she gave me the juice even though I didn't need it. Which would you know, do worse arm in the end?

Scott Benner 7:35
Maybe Maybe it's it's, um, maybe it's more sinister than that. Maybe she just wanted to, you know, she's like, Look, I need to, I need this job. So I need to, I think she felt bad that she was trying to be consoling, probably making juice make you feel better? Well,

Shaun Brown 7:49
there's, you know, there's psychology wrapped around it, too. Like she probably was aware I was going through stuff. I was newly diagnosed. She was hanging with you. Yeah, I think she probably was humor me To be honest, even though it was a poor choice.

Scott Benner 8:03
I'm thinking of sixth grade. I, my God, it was as it was a long time ago, sixth grade, I had algebra. Now that's pretty common or not. Nowadays. I think they teach kids algebra in like preschool. But I did not understand algebra. I was not good at it. I couldn't follow it. Mixing letters with numbers was not a good idea for me. And I tried for a while I finally came up with it. I was like, I can't do this. I have to drop this class. So that I don't fail it. You know, I'll go back into some general math class, I went up to the teacher. And I don't remember any of my teachers names. But this man, his name was Ted combs. And I remember going up to him and saying, Mr. Combs, I gotta get out of this class. I don't understand algebra. And he laughed. He said, Yeah, I've seen your grades. We know you don't understand it. I was like, Okay, see, this guy's on board, you know. And he goes, but it's too late to drop this class. So you're just gonna have to try harder. And I was like, I don't think that's gonna work. So I tried for a little longer. And one day, I just went up to him. And I basically just made him a deal. And I said, Listen, I will sit in the back of this class. I won't bother you, I won't cause you a problem. I am going to fail this class. I'm not going to hand it homework. I'm not going to do assignments in class. I'm not taking the test, zeroes fail. I'll go to summer school. And he said, Okay. And that's what the education system used to be like. Just see, do you can you imagine now that happening? No,

Unknown Speaker 9:29
no,

Scott Benner 9:30
that was sixth grade, sixth grade. I was 12. I was very premeditated and forward to tell the teacher Oh, the only thing stopping me from ruling the world as an evil genius is I have a pretty big heart. Otherwise, I would just like it, which reminds me that two years later, my guidance counselor said Scott, we we don't talk much. But you should consider becoming an attorney. And I was like, Oh, no, no, no, I don't want to do that. And he said, Why? I said, Well, two reasons. I don't want to do the same thing every day for the rest of my life. Be it Be an attorney. And then I was like, I guess it's three things. And I said, I think I'd be bad at it. And he's like, No, I think you'd be good. And I'm like, No, no, you're misunderstanding me. I was like, I think I'd be bad at it. And like, you know, and he was like, Oh, I'm like, I feel like there's like a sinister part of me that could take over and I could just be, you know, like a bad guy in this story. I was like, I don't want to do that. So I just know that I, I just know that I could be a televangelist. If I had the right heart for it is what I'm saying, Shawn. I definitely didn't go that route. Yeah, I definitely think I could get up on television and be like, just send me some money and everything will be fine. But it work. Yeah, I can see that I broke for you that when I was younger, but when I was younger, I was broke. And I grew up kind of poorly. And I knew I was bright. And I always was afraid I'd I'd like, it's funny. I never had any thoughts about it. But I was always concerned for it not to happen to me. But anyway, there's a long way to go to say that I think your your nurse, I think you're right. She's probably somewhere between trying to be kind to you. And maybe not even understanding the whole thing completely. How long did it take you? Yeah, I think it was a mixture for sure. How long until you understood. Man, I'm embarrassingly still figuring it out. So I think that's good to admit, actually. Well, well, how did you manage back then? cuz I've you and I've emailed back and forth for a long time. Now. I feel like

Shaun Brown 11:22
yeah, I guess it's, it's been a while I'm one when I was diagnosed, it was like old school, I was put on mph and regular. You know, he had that he had the vial, you had to like roll in your hand gently before you drew out into the syringe. And it was it was a pretty like set schedule where it was just like, here's how much you take. And this is when you eat type of thing. Yeah. And man, looking back, but kids these days, I will say, You're so lucky. As far as information is concerned, because it's still scarce, ironically, but with the internet. And with, like communities, like on Instagram, where there's like a thriving community amazingly, yeah. Man, I wish I had something like that when I was younger. That's all I can say. Because information is like the vital component to put you on track. And, you know, obviously, you can get bad information too. But being able to actually interface with other people that live the same life also, and see how they deal with their problems and what works good, what doesn't work and things like that is highly beneficial. And I've never had any of that when I was, you know, younger. And I'm an old guy now.

Scott Benner 12:51
So. So for decades, you were just was it really wasn't that long, you were just shooting at certain times and eating at certain times. And that was it.

Shaun Brown 12:59
One so I wasn't I wasn't on mph irregular for like an eternity. That's what they started me on. But I remember moving into the rapids, like as soon as they became available. And so after that, it was pretty much lantis and homologue or lantis and novolog. And ironically, I'm still on the same type of insulin regimen, even though at this point, I'm so done with it to be honest.

Scott Benner 13:29
Well, okay, so um, I have here, I just did some quick googling. And it looks like humor blog came out in 1996. Hmm, that sounds about right. Sounds about right. So that would have made you How old? So 96 I was 16. Okay, so you did it the first way for about four years, then? Yeah, it wasn't forever, right? And then into the fast tracking stuff, but like you're saying with no real information about how it worked? And is it even more looking back? Is it even more confusing? To go from the just put it in and make sure you eat at the same time to this new insulin that basically works completely differently?

Shaun Brown 14:08
Are you referring to comparing, like mph and regular to novolog? and such?

Scott Benner 14:14
Yeah, like, what was that transition? Like?

Shaun Brown 14:16
It was pretty seamless. I remember just kind of it was the same type of thing. But the problem is, is that we I had always, like, I was never I never got an endo. Even I still to this day, don't have an endocrinologist you've

Scott Benner 14:31
never had.

Shaun Brown 14:32
Dude, I've been my own endo since day one. The day I was diagnosed, you know, I was pretty much like doing it myself. Which is insane. The more I think about it, and I did, I did definitely like once I ironically started to learn more from a health scare that kind of put me on a different track about a year ago. And I started really digging in and saying I you know, I can't Keep doing what I'm doing. I need to re examine what I'm doing. I got so angry at my past because I realized that this entire time, like, I had not been given the proper tools, you know, it's not like I'm a dummy. I'm a pretty smart dude. But I've never been given like the right tools to, to, you know, really succeed properly. Some honestly, it's in so many ways. lucky to be here. Lucky to you know, still be healthy. Yeah. As far as I understand, you know? And, yeah, that's one thing I can say is I'm I'm thankful that it didn't go a different route. For sure.

Scott Benner 15:45
So you basically live like 2025 27 years, with just winging it?

Shaun Brown 15:53
Yeah, it's like the ebb and flow of like, I don't feel good. Let me check it. I The thing was, is I was always, like, pre good about checking my blood. I've always been like, you know, if I don't feel right, I'll check. And if a tie, I deal with it, I don't like sit on it. And, you know, watch it go crazy. I admittedly, during my, you know, teen through younger college years, I was a little rambunctious and did not take it as seriously as I should. Like, I wanted to be in the moment more in certain events or occasions that would allow it to kind of go high when I shouldn't have. But most of the time, you know, I had always been pretty good about it, like, my age, I wish I could find out what my agencies were like when I was super young, because that information is gone now, and I can't get ahold of it. But like, the data, I do have a, I was always in, you know, high sixes to like, low or mid fives. And so I was always kind of managing it, obviously. But sorry,

Scott Benner 17:04
were you getting low a lot back then? Yeah, okay. I

Shaun Brown 17:08
definitely do. I had, I had a lot of experiences where, you know, I got used to waking up with paramedics around and it was just like, this is just diabetes. This is, you know, see what it's like to be diabetic.

Scott Benner 17:20
Sean, that's really interesting. So you had somebody told you lower a one see better, so the number was lower. So you felt like you were doing well, which had to have meant that passing out and then needing an ambulance was just part of it?

Shaun Brown 17:34
Well, I just was never, like, corrected, and I never had I never had proper guidance. Really? Yeah, is the thing. Yeah. And so, and sadly, you know, my, my parents always did everything they they knew they could do to I think but we were all uninformed. And, and, you know, like, I don't want to throw anybody under the bus. But like, I am frustrated that I love my folks. They love me to death. They're amazing, but I wish they had searched out like, you know, finding an endocrinologist I think they they understood that we were in good hands. And arguably we were to a degree but you know, my needs were specific and, and then rapturous, back and

Scott Benner 18:24
exploration, though, I was just saying, reflect if somebody sets expectations in a certain place, and it feels like you're meeting them, and your parents might not have any reason to want to look exactly

Shaun Brown 18:33
and that's what I wanted to kind of know is it's not like they weren't making sure I was it was okay. It's not like they were just like, you know, you're not caring about

Scott Benner 18:46
my well being Yeah, you weren't a dog bed at night, right? They didn't like like put on their plate on the floor and be like you're showing ads for you know, you were being well cared for by people who were given a certain set of things to do and they were doing them for you. And that was

Shaun Brown 19:01
Yeah, it was pretty much you know, like I one of your old shows, I remember you saying you know that Turner what he called it like the kind of don't die, toolbox or whatever.

Scott Benner 19:12
Yeah, I tell you give advice that I consider to be do not die advice. It's just enough to keep y'all that's exactly

Shaun Brown 19:18
what I was given. You know, I remember when I'm when I'm, you know, I might when I was diagnosed, we we basically kept my pediatrician till I think I was like 18 ironically, maybe 16

Scott Benner 19:37
it's actually common nowadays to keep them longer. If you really if you go into college, they'll kick me out, kicked you out.

Unknown Speaker 19:44
It's like yeah, Shawn, I

Unknown Speaker 19:45
don't let people come in here that can kick my ass. You gotta go. He was like, dude, you're so old. You gotta you gotta go to another doctor. You know? That's funny.

Scott Benner 19:56
But yeah, nowadays. Like my kids pediatrician will Be happy to keep them until they're done college. Night. Oh, wow. Yeah. Never heard of such a thing. Yeah. So you don't have to be looking for a doctor while you're going to college. So through college age?

Shaun Brown 20:13
Well, that's kind of good. I mean, if you can stick with somebody, the longer the better I figure.

Scott Benner 20:19
No, I think so too. I agree. Well, I want to dig a little farther into this. So you're doing what you're supposed to be doing. And you're just in that world. And by the way, you're not the nearly the first or the 100th person to tell me that I just feel like waking up with a paramedic overtop of me is part of having diabetes. And it usually does come from people have to say, who have had type one for a couple of decades, usually or longer, like, people who got that, that initial like, Hey, here's humalog You know, this is new and exciting. It's so much better than the stuff you've been using. And wow, look at your meter. You can carry it with you now and stuff I get like in that space and time of diabetes. A lot of the people with expectations like that come from that space, I find, but it's amazing. Yeah. So what what changed for you like what happened two years ago?

Shaun Brown 21:14
So I was progressively getting like stomach discomfort. And it wasn't like excusing it bump the wire here fine. So so I was getting kind of like a cramping but it wasn't like intense. And then it progressed into almost like, it moved into my chest area. And I was starting to freak out thinking like, Am I potentially having a heart attack and it kind of kept getting worse? One evening, I could not get it to go away with, you know, taking antacids or pepto or anything like that. And I just remember, nothing made it better. And it was so intense that, you know, I nervously submitted myself to the ER, to go see if I was having a heart attack. I wasn't apparently. And then I then I thought, well, maybe it's pancreatitis, and it wasn't that my bloodwork came out, okay. They did it like a rib scan. Everything was good. It's really strange. And so I stayed there till like 3am, I came home. And then I saw my doctor. And he he inferred that it was like, severe GERD or something. And so he put me on a proton pump inhibitor for a bit. And that actually made me worse. I felt terrible. I felt terrible on this. And I kept telling him, you know, I think I might not need this. And I don't think it's I'm reacting properly to it. And it was really bad. And then eventually, you know, I told him, I think I'm having an allergic reaction to this drug because it's it I'm feeling way worse. I was feeling like sick from it. And, and at first, I thought I felt better. But then it progressed into an area where I was just, I knew something was wrong, and it was the drugs. So I told him, I'm not taking this anymore. So you kind of partially bicker with me on at first, but then you decided that, you know, the patient knows best type of thing. And then, and then I quit taking it. And I felt immediately better. Well, you

Scott Benner 23:27
didn't have any stomach acid to help you with your food.

Shaun Brown 23:29
Yeah, it was it was intense. And so at that point, I kind of just I had like a wake up call where I'm like, I already was like for a while progressively for about 10 years, cutting things out on my diet that just were junk. You know, I grew up on a very standard American diet. And I, over the years kept pulling things away and being more meticulous about how he thinking about, you know, eating healthier foods as much as possible, removing processed food as much as possible. And at a certain point, I just figured I need to examine my diet even more. I also had been pretty, pretty consistently a drinker for a long time. So I was concerned maybe it had something to do with alcohol. I'm not like a binge drinker or anything, but like, I would definitely have at least a beard a night to take the edge off or whatever. I think in retrospect, I realize ironically, I was probably kind of self medicating with alcohol, not knowing it.

Scott Benner 24:43
So stuff self medicating,

Shaun Brown 24:46
dealing with the stressors of diabetes. I also am a you know a father to an amazing kid who's nine now but he he is on the autism spectrum. He also has Has Tourette's? And it's a full time job, you know? And so that kind of added to the equation when we had my son.

Scott Benner 25:13
Well, that's not. I have to say, I just wanted to take a detour for a second. Not sure off, but I see online. There are plenty of dads of kids with type one. And drinking does seem to be their major way to deal with it. If I'm Yeah, and it's, it's no good man. Wow. So yeah. So you come home at the end of the night, you're having a beer every day, you're having these pains, stomach chest, and it just generally makes you feel like, I need to do better for myself, because especially because they didn't come up with anything, right?

Shaun Brown 25:48
Yeah, the crazy thing is, is they could not find anything. And I was quite determined to figure it out. So I had them scheduled me for a full abdomen scan, they didn't find anything. The only thing that was left was like a what? When the scope you and I never got the scope done, because I changed my diet. And I improved dramatically after I changed my diet.

Scott Benner 26:11
I have to tell you that I've tried very hard over the last couple of years to remove processed foods, certain oils. And I thought that was hilarious, actually. And I feel much better. Last night as an example, like, everybody wanted something specific, and I made it. And then I had some and I just didn't. I was like, uh, later I was like, I'm not gonna eat that again. Like, I shouldn't have that you don't I mean, like it just it just wasn't worth it. And when you're younger man, your body just like your body can eat tin cans when you're younger. You don't I mean?

Shaun Brown 26:50
Yeah, absolutely. You get into the hat. That's the problem is you form habits. And yeah, I certainly formed a lot of bad ones when I was younger.

Scott Benner 26:57
Right? Well, so in the, in that process, then that taking care of your diabetes just came along with eating better. You just were like, Well, let me manage this more specifically as well.

Shaun Brown 27:09
Yeah, what so what's it's so weird, because I'm like a completely different diabetic now. I mean, very much the same, but totally different in that. You know, in the past, I was only testing on a meter. I finally acquired CGM that changed everything for me. Just having that data. And and then I found out about in pen, amazingly, through Instagram, and so ironic how Instagram has informed me. It's so it's so like, in retrospect, it's just silly to me, because I've learned more from this from social media and podcasts such as yours, than anything that my doctor could have given me,

Scott Benner 27:59
Sean, you're just old enough to understand when I tell you that. I'm incredibly proud of this podcast. I think it's one of the better things I've done with my life. And yet, when I stand in front of someone, and they're like, Hey, what do you do? I'm like, Well, I have a podcast. It feels stupid when I'm saying it. And you know, and if I was younger, I wouldn't if I was 25, or 30. And I think I have a podcast you know about AI? That would seem realistic to me, but I am older. And when I say it, I understand anyway, how you feel when you're like, I can't believe that Instagram is where I get good information from it just seems ridiculous now. Yeah, yeah, I totally understand. So you learned about in pen through there.

Shaun Brown 28:45
I think I think I stumbled on someone that was using it. And I was like, Oh my god, you can take half units. Sean, you're pretty far behind that. I know. I'm a dinosaur now. So I almost didn't want to do the podcast because I was like, I'm gonna embarrass myself so bad. I'm just gonna sound so I'm educated.

Scott Benner 29:05
No, no, I listen, I think that what you're doing is valuable because I believe that the other side of Instagram is that you're usually only see from people who are doing really well. And I think more people lived the way you did than you think. And they get no I think you're right. Yeah, they don't speak up as often so I'm glad for you to do this. Yes, sorry. So okay, see a diabetes for 27 years and you're like wow, half units, game changer.

Unknown Speaker 29:34
I mean, really

Shaun Brown 29:35
was I'm not gonna lie. So but the thing is, is if I can jump around a lot here, but I'm absolutely still totally sick of not having enough precision. And I never really even had you know, pump therapy pushed on me so much as just mentioned by my doctor like, Hey, you know, you could get a pump, right? And that was about it. Like I was never informed on like, Here's why you should get a pump. This is what a pump can do. When you have pumps, this is what you can benefit from, you know?

Scott Benner 30:19
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Shaun Brown 32:53
when I was younger, and it was kind of like, you know, the only thing I was told was don't mess up or you'll have problems. You know? No, I was just fearful of screwing up all the time. I just tried really hard to not screw up as much as possible. But I also didn't know like, you know, I honestly in retrospect, may have gone on a pump like much younger. I was really aware of the benefit. And I can see like how much I could improve control with one

only someone would have invented podcast 25 years ago, you would have been saved? Well, you just said that you were told to just not mess up, or else. Were they specific with you? Did you get the like, you want your legs to fall off and your eyes? The pop out was? Yeah, that type of thing. I was really yeah. Yeah. So first, my pediatrician was kind of on the same. The same thing. And then, you know, when I graduated out of him and went to a new doctor who was recommended to me, who was I was told was a specialist in diabetes, but not technically an endocrinologist, we only have like one endo in town, ironically. And I didn't know that at the time, but my parents were referred to him, you know, and we just went to him because he was highly recommended. And he's a great guy. I'm not gonna, you know, I don't want to throw him under the bus or anything. He's a really nice guy. And he's always helped me out with financial issues that I've had along the way too, right? He's always been like caring about, you know, making things affordable. And I've always appreciated that and he's always been, you know, available via email if I need them or something like that. And he gets back quick. So I can't complain, you know, but at the same time, it's, it's not like I was getting guidance, a whole lot either. You know, he definitely made sure you had the insulin and the syringes. He just didn't

that's about it. Yeah. I mean, I don't know. If he ever listened to this. I'm sorry. I'm not Trying to say you're a bad dude.

Scott Benner 35:03
You think is he still practicing? Yeah, I still see him. have bad blood with my doctor even though Can you imagine? That is an adult need, like Didn't he was like, oh, Sarah, you're here for prescriptions for me? Yeah, I suppose I overthink stuff. It'll be fine. Well, listen, I'm not gonna lie to you. A lot of doctors do listen to this podcast. But I was just interviewing someone yesterday who said they were in the office and doing much better, you know, than they had been doing. And the doctor looks at her and goes, are you being bold with insulin? And she goes, do you listen to and the guy goes, I do. So

Unknown Speaker 35:44
that's pretty cool. does

Scott Benner 35:45
happen. Yeah, I have to say, too, and I'm going to, I'll say it here. And I'll say it in a couple other places. If you are one of those doctors, and you're listening, who recommends the podcast, if you would come on the show anonymously, I'd love to interview you. So

Shaun Brown 36:01
they should do that. I really, I would be impressed if someone stepped up to the plate and did that.

Scott Benner 36:06
You don't have to say your name or anything where you're from, or anything like that. But I would love to, I would love to pick the brain of a person who is in that position and has said to another person. Hey, there's a podcast I think you should listen to. I think that's kind of fascinating to me. Actually. That'd be brilliant. Yeah, but yeah, you'll be alright. Listen, and here's a disclaimer for your guy. You're off the hook. Man. Sean thinks you're cool. Let it go. We're just trying to get out what happens when you're diagnosed A long time ago. And for reasons that, you know, I think we've picked apart now a little bit, your parents didn't look much farther into it a little that you just didn't know. And then you know, you have a kin, who's got a lot of responsibilities with your family. And, I mean, luckily, I guess your stomach started hurting. Seriously.

Shaun Brown 36:50
Yeah, you know, it's so ironic because I tell people now like that. I'm so glad it happened to me, because it really changed my life for the better. Like, you know, I'm still trying to get to where I want to be at. But man, I put me on the right track for sure. And I the irony, though, the irony about that is I've always very, very, very strongly not wanting to be that guy. I've always not wanted to be the guy that waits for you know, shit to hit the you know, yeah. You know what I mean? hands dirty to do something about it. Yeah, you know, I've seen that happen to too many people. And, you know, I I've always been adamant about not being one of those people. Which is ironically, I guess why? I don't I'm not blind yet or something. But, you know, at the same time, I'm not gonna pat myself on the back and Sam like him? Well, I think diabetic either

Scott Benner 37:45
No, it sounds to me like you were playing in the side of the pool that was more aggressive with the insulin. So while your issues were wrapped around lows, which might have helped you a little bit, stay away from the higher one so that you don't know you didn't have a CGM. You could have been 400. And then 50. Right, you have no idea. You

Shaun Brown 38:02
know, that's another thing I think about all the time. And I'm actually very, like, hyper aware. And so I probably because of going hypose so much in the back. I mean, here's a funny thing, like just as a side tangent, just to inform me on like how uninformed like I was for very long. Like when I would give myself insulin, I would just say I took insulin, I didn't even know the word Bolus.

Scott Benner 38:29
here that's not uncommon though. Shawn,

Shaun Brown 38:31
man like stuff like that. I had to I had to like cram for a test for like a year straight pretty much is how I've felt

Scott Benner 38:38
learning diabetes

Shaun Brown 38:39
since last October. Yeah, it's been an interesting. Yeah, because I like, I'd be like, Huh, Basil profile. I'm gonna search that now to like,

Scott Benner 38:53
do you find the defining diabetes episodes helpful?

Shaun Brown 38:56
Yeah, I do. Ironic stuff like Pre-Bolus ng I, it's not like I was unaware of what Pre-Bolus was, but it helped put the idea of it a lot more front and center in a way that was way more expansive than I ever thought about it. Because I was always just told, you know, wait 15 minutes. Yeah, right, you know, and that it doesn't work that way, especially depending on activity level. And I've learned all this like, in a very short span of time, ironically. Now, how much hydration you have, what how sensitive you are at the moment, like all these things change, and I would have never known you know, in the past

Scott Benner 39:40
Yeah. I don't know. I don't get deep into a lot of things. Then and you know, I'm, I'm a, basically a person who enjoys like living like I like being around people I care about. I like having a little bit of entertainment. I like being rested. I like You know, I like watching my kids do things like I'm not a person who picks something and, like, digs super deeply into it all the time I have the interest, I'd never have the motivation, but it wasn't hard to want to pick into the diabetes. Once I noticed that, but even in the beginning for me the first couple of years, I was just you, like, you know, you 18 months ago was me when Arden first had diabetes, I was just like, I don't know what any of this means. I don't know why this is happening. The guy said, 15 minutes, the lady said, half an hour, you know, like you I was doing everything like that. Yeah. And it wasn't until one day where I just, I don't know, I just started picking through it. And I found one little like, it feels like, if diabetes me feels like I'm picking paint off a wall. Like I just I saw a little chip and I pulled it off. I was like, Oh, I wonder what else is under there. And I just kind of kept pulling and pulling until I stood back in it, you know, look like that wall for a memento. And I was like, Oh, I understand all this. And, and I know why this is important. Like, and I and maybe one part of my personality that helped was I don't like platitudes. They make me upset, like so saying something just to say it bothers me outside of diabetes as well. And so that statement, oh, that's just diabetes, which you said here earlier, which was part of your life? And was an answer that I would get back all the time or find online, by the way, because as valuable as online is right now, up until a handful of years ago. Nobody was really being that helpful. It was always very, like aspirational stuff, which I I'm not, I'm not shitting on I think is really valuable. But I mean, it never went farther that nobody was ever like, Hey, you know, here, here's a Pre-Bolus broken down into why and how I no one was telling you that except in maybe a couple of books like I might have to give. You'd have to give john Walsh credit for pumping insulin. That book, like where he broke things down there. I've never read it. But I hear from everybody how amazing it is. And he's and he's been around for a while. Oh, certainly a long while. I think he wrote that book with his wife got I think she's his wife anyway, maybe not. JOHN, come on the show. That'd be nice. But um, but that digging through it. Once I dug through it, and it made sense to me, then it felt really wrong not to tell somebody, like, you know what I mean? Like I thought like, well, now I know, somebody else needs to know toe, I'll just start writing, I'll start telling people that that really, to me is how, you know, I'm not taking credit for the entirety of the space. I'm certainly not saying that. But people doing that is how you ended up. Moving forward. You know what I mean? And had no one ever done that you probably would have just written this, you know, this dumpster fire out to the end and been like, hey, and

Shaun Brown 42:55
I would argue No, no, really, I don't mean I don't I don't, I don't think I would have, I still don't think I would have gotten see I'm like, I'm the type of person where I will read a book. If I have if it's really going to have some nuggets of info information that'll help me out. I really just want to get right to the meat and potatoes of what's going to help me get on track fast. And then I can dig into the the you know, details later. And that's what your podcast offers, in my opinion. It's, it's like it's like, well, I don't I don't I hope I'm not, you know, glossing over all the other great things that it does offer. But But for me, in my experience, it kind of just narrowed it like you know, gave put a bull's eye on what I needed to hear. Right when I needed to hear it instead of having to weed through a ton of other nonsense.

Scott Benner 43:45
I'm glad. And you also said the most masculine thing I've ever heard in my life, which is I'll read a book if I have to. I do read, I actually enjoy reading something I would say by the way. I don't mean it like that. I know. It's funny. No, but I hear what you're saying. Like I got what, like, I'm ready to hear it. Give it to me Don't

Shaun Brown 44:06
Yeah, yeah. Well, you know, I, I find a lot of authors like to really kind of, it's almost like they need to fill the pages or something.

Scott Benner 44:17
So people asked me to write a book about diabetes that happens every once in a while. I'll give publishers will come and say Hey, could you turn your podcast into a book? Or would you do this? And I'm always like, I don't know, man, like diabetes keeps changing, you know, make a book and then amended and amended and amended, and then people have to read it. And what if they read one page and not the other? Yeah, I don't know. You'd almost have to only live in the digital realm where you could just have it on online space where I could constantly change and it would still be a never ending battle and not for nothing, but don't people read books a lot on tape. And so isn't that what this is? And then why do I need to be published about it? Like it just seems? I mean, also, I've been published before, I guess so this excitement of that, isn't it? know what that is, you know what I mean? Like it was, it is really nice, but I don't need to do it again, kind of a feeling. But at the same time I going back to what you said, I agree with you. Less is more. And often it is be direct, right? So tell them what they need to know, don't like you write a book a lot of times it's a lot of filler. And I mean, I could I could write an amazing book about managing your diabetes right now probably about like, 35 pages long. Like is, you know, that's a pasture not a book. Yeah. So and, and I don't and the other thing, too, Shawn, no lie is just had this conversation with somebody on over the weekend. I, I don't like the idea of you or anyone else listening having to pay for this? Like, I don't like that. So I don't think you should have to pay somebody 1995 to know how to Pre-Bolus I don't feel like I should I am not a person who would put up a program online and be like, for just $60 a month, you can understand what I know about that, like that stuff. I don't like that at all. I'm trying not to be harsh about it. Because I know people who do this as a business model. And I don't think that all of them are. I don't think they're bad people. But it rubs me the wrong way. Like

Shaun Brown 46:20
I could I couldn't understand why I mean, you're connected to it in such an intimate way to you know, being that your daughter's diabetic, I mean, you're giving something back to the community. That's, you know,

Scott Benner 46:31
it's such a, it's such a very strong feeling for me that that money should not be the the the the access point to you understanding how protein affects your blood sugar, you know, and so that's why I'm like, while there are some people run around and like, get on people, like you take ads and like take ads, I'm actively looking for ads. I'm like, I want the podcast to get made so that someone can find it. Like Sean, you found that a year ago. And it's done for you what it's done, which is great. But the podcast has been alive for five years prior to that, too. It helped other people who are long gone now. And I need to keep making the podcast to the next you finds the podcast, has these experiences and moves on to a healthier situation. And I just don't know, I'm an American, Shawn, like, this is how things work. I build something popular. You buy an ad on it, I use your money to get my thing to people. Like that's basically what I do I take advertisers money to make a podcast, and you use that podcast for what you use it for. Hopefully it works for you. If it does, you tell somebody else about it, that keeps the podcast moving forward, it's very transparent, and I make some money so that I can spend the time doing this, like you and I are talking right now. I feel like I'm going to die. Just so you know, like, like, I really don't feel good. And, but but this is my job now. So I do this today. And I will edit the show later today so that you have a podcast to listen to on Monday. And like, you know, like, and that takes money. Because if I if I didn't have money from the advertisers, I you know, I'm still I'm a stay at home dad, yes. But I still have to make some money, I'd have to go get a job. At the very least I can't sit up here at this desk for five or six hours every day, which at this point is about what the podcast takes to run. And then what go down to my wife and say, Oh, don't worry, I'm helping people. You know, it's just, I don't know what people think. But that's not how the world works. So you know, but and and I don't want to take money from listeners. I trust me there are people who come along all the time. And they're like, hey, how many downloads do you have? And I tell them and they're like, why don't you charge 89 cents for a download? You'd be wealthy? And I'm like, Huh, seems wrong. really does like seems wrong to me. So you'll know if that ever happens that all the all the advertisers are gone. If all of a sudden you're like, I don't know, back in 2021. He said, he didn't want to do this. But now suddenly the podcast costs money, you'll know that I couldn't get an advertiser for that. And by the way, if I can't get an advertiser, it means no one's listening to the show. So you should probably move on anyway. Seriously, you know, like, think about it. It's just common sense, right? I really am a little woozy. Sean. My head's dancing around a little bit. Hang in there. Hang in there, Scott. Don't worry. I have clear instructions for people for how to release all of the recorded episodes if I should die prematurely. So this could be the end of it right here like and Shawn was the last one ever talked to him? He said he doesn't read and he's he just learned about diabetes after having it for 30 or 30 years. Wow. Can you imagine if you were the last one you'd like come on. Just one more cup out after this terrible summary of who Sean is.

Unknown Speaker 49:56
Yeah, no,

Scott Benner 49:56
you're not obviously you're not in this. You know, I like to really In this last quarter of the show, like really summarize who you are, you're a person who a year ago, figured out a ton of new stuff. And I want to hear about your life now.

Shaun Brown 50:12
Yeah, okay, well, now I eat completely different. And I approach food differently. Also, I also work out every day now, which is completely new to me. I, you know, in the past, it was never a part of the culture of my house, even like, you know, getting exercise and that type of way we play ball, we played, I played baseball, I played on soccer teams, I skateboarded growing up, like, intensively, right, a lot. And after that, you know, I just kind of stopped doing active stuff, but I never, there was never like this idea of like, you know, do this to take care of your diabetes also, but also do this because it'll just, you know, keep your body in tune. It just wasn't a thing that my family did. And I, that's another area where I wish it was part of my routine. And early on, because it would have, I think, just that even alone would have set me up for a lot more success.

Scott Benner 51:20
I'm gonna find out more about that. So how did you change your eating first.

Shaun Brown 51:24
So I had already been like toying with the idea of, you know, cutting me out of my diet for a while, because I would always notice, I just didn't feel very awesome when I would eat it. And I enjoyed it. I it's not like I didn't like eating it. But I, I always found like, it just, I would kind of feel sluggish, I would feel good gross afterwards. And it wasn't like a blood sugar thing. That was the concern so much. It was more just like, I didn't enjoy how I felt. You know? And so I it kind of weirdly graduated me to going completely vegan, weirdly, I just, I was like, Well, here's another thing I don't really want to have in my diet anymore. Let me see if I pull this out if this will help. And and then I kind of was like, Well, I'm already pulling this out. Let me see. You go down rabbit rabbit hole real easy once you start kind of just researching, you know, different new ways to proceed with you know, diet, and I stumbled upon the mastering diabetes guys, by complete happenstance, it wasn't I the name of their, their organization, or if the anonymous they are organization, but the team of two guys who who are like real hardcore about, you know, teaching about what causes insulin resistance and informing you on how to how to reduce your insulin resistance via diet and exercise, essentially. But I didn't mean to go to them for diet advice or diabetes advice. I was actually googling online, how to figure out my insulin to carb ratio, and it came up. So I was like, oh, check this out, too. You know, because, for me, like, it's even the idea of the math of doing like, insulin dosing was never something I really did until recently. And so I and I had periodically asked my doctor over the years, like, well, like, how do I figure this out? And he just be like, you know, that's something you just get it changes, like, he would always kind of give me a wishy washy answer. And then I think he honestly didn't know what to tell me. Yeah. And, and so he would, he would write at the time, we did have one endo in his practice, but I didn't see any purpose of going to one because I was always told I was on the right track. And my agency was in range and doing good, you know, so I just thought, like, what is the purpose of Siena, endo? At that point. And so but I also needed advice on like, how did I figure these things out and like, have like a starting point. And so I would periodically Google these things over the years, not not just up until a year ago. Now, I would always feel kind of dumbfounded because I wouldn't just find like, exactly what I was looking for. So just keep doing what I was doing, which was go by the ebb and flow of how my blood sugars were, and just, you know, correct as needed. And I finally found like one website that actually really did summarize how to get your insulin to carb ratio and your ISF. And, I mean, I'm assuming it's accurate, because I've been using this information for years like now Come

Scott Benner 54:53
to think of it. I just did find it on the internet. It was a What is it? Should I not name a website right on your show, it doesn't matter to me. Okay.

Shaun Brown 55:02
Yeah, it was, um, I'm trying to remember it was like I you know, I don't remember anymore. It's a popular it's, it's it's something it's like diabetes info dotnet or something like that I can't honestly can't remember what it was now, even just

Scott Benner 55:18
like anyhow, probably just sent everybody to a porn site. So yeah,

Shaun Brown 55:20
sorry, guys. So anyhow, what I did was I started, you know, doing the math with that the best I could. And I started kind of, like getting me at least started with, like having a truer idea of, you know, how it was really dosing. And, and eventually I even like found a really cool app that lets you take an Excel spreadsheet that that you can, like, you know, put math into, and then you can make the Excel into an app. And so I have a little app on my phone that I built, essentially, that uses that math that I call ratios, I just it's like right next to my and pen app, and I'll adjust it on the fly. Like I'll, I'll assess my seven day, report in in pen. And I'll go off of that. And I'll kind of keep changing my baseline is on the carbon ISF from that. And then I'm still too much of a dummy to like know, how to, like, mathematically quantify what what my daytime and nighttime icy and ISF are. But I know just from the feel of how things go like in the morning, I usually need to have to a unit more on top of recommendation. And at lunch, I'm about recommendation. And that dinner, I'm like a half unit to unit less than recommendation often interesting what whatever that quantifies to so like in, in this little, you know, app thing and I made based on the information I found on that website, I set one field to my way, another field to my Bolus, my total Bolus amount, another field to my total base basil amount, and that gives me my, you know, total daily dose. And then after that it spits out the insulin to carb ratio. But you know, it's like their formula was like 2.6, you know, times your weight divided by your your total daily dose type of thing. And that's, that's what I'm going off of. So that's correct.

Scott Benner 57:31
If it's working for you, it's great. Yeah, it can be working.

Shaun Brown 57:34
But I still feel like it always needs a little fine tuning like, I feel like so then there's the ISF and I kind of built this into the app to where you kind of play with the rule, the standard rule was always like 18 100. But then I learned on that same website that I guess if you're, if you're a real 5050 split, this is my understanding anyways, like if you're, if your your basil is about 50, your Bolus is about 50, then you kind of apparently, and please don't quote me on this because I could be absolutely wrong. But that's more when you use 1800. But if your basil is less, and your Bolus is a little more, you kind of play with the rule and move it down to like, you know, 1750 or 1700. So I because of my ratio, excuse me, I have mine at like 1700. And then that kind of you know, helps me calculate out my ISF.

Scott Benner 58:34
So I think Jenny just explained the 1800 rule on the podcast the other day, it's interesting that you're bringing it up right now about how endos find those your insulin sensitivity factor, but by the way, just so people know, whatever. I just checked the the URL you said and it is not where you

Shaun Brown 58:53
Yeah, you know what here don't go you're done cuz I got my boots, that's all. But now that I know that was wrong, it's diabetes net. Let me see diabetes net calm.

Scott Benner 59:05
Sorry about that. Okay, so yeah, the other one is just like a link farm. Sorry. It's just it's one of those somebody grabbed it because I thought it was a good URL that people might type in. It's funny. I've never heard the one handed there, man. No, you're good. I appreciate you talking about I it's funny. I've never seen this website before in my life.

Shaun Brown 59:26
I only found it because it was like the only place that that really dug into insolent action times. And also, what else? Just like, you know, figuring out your insulin to carb and all that, like in an understandable way that, you know, my simple brain can figure out

Scott Benner 59:43
I'm glad you found something. Give me that cisors I've never seen this website my life. That's interesting. Yeah, look, it almost looks fake. You're not exactly selling it. Just enough. Yeah, so I'm

Unknown Speaker 1:00:03
cracking up for a second,

Shaun Brown 1:00:05
though. That's really dope on those guys as well. guys actually helped me out. I just wanted to let you know,

Scott Benner 1:00:12
for your trouble, I wanted to let you know that your site looks fake. No, um, I think that's cool that you figured stuff out like that, that you were just like, I need to know how to do this. No one's telling me but she wanted at this point, like, how can we haven't just found an endo that you really like? You just don't think it's necessary.

Shaun Brown 1:00:30
So I never was really, I was always reassured I was doing a good job. And I was always put the whole like, sorry,

Scott Benner 1:00:40
do you think you were Do you think somebody was just telling you that he didn't know what they were talking about?

Shaun Brown 1:00:44
Well, naively at the time, I really did think I was doing well. And I guess I knew like, you know, I definitely knew for sure, you know, I need to cut back on my drinking at the time. I always knew that was like, a big No, no. But like, you know, I knew I needed to lose some weight at the time, I was pretty, I was getting heavier. And I knew I needed to get more activity. But beyond stuff like that, you know, I just thought like, Well, every time I would always be super nervous to get my labs and then my labs would come back and I wouldn't have red flags, or anything look good. You know, eventually, I began to have really high cholesterol. And that was one of the that was another one of the main reasons I changed my diet, which I totally forgot to mention was for about maybe five years straight. I had really bad cholesterol, and I completely annihilated that going off and plant base.

Scott Benner 1:01:40
I have to ask you a question. It's gonna sound like I'm joking, but I'm not. What you wake up. There's three paramedics standing over top of you. You think this is okay. Doctor said I'm doing good. No, no, no, absolutely

Shaun Brown 1:01:51
not. I never thought it was okay. Or, you know, it always just made me feel like well, you know, I really, I really messed up and I see Okay, let me try not to repeat what got me there the last time.

Scott Benner 1:02:04
So it felt like a fumble. Like I'm playing a great game. I just dropped the ball for a second.

Shaun Brown 1:02:09
Yeah, gotcha. Yeah. You know, and I guess you can say got it just got normalized because it happened throughout my life, not like a ton, but enough to to the point where it was just part of my life. You know, like, I remember in high school, which was probably the first time it happened. I passed out on the quad. Like on my way from one class to another, I had just gotten Oh, yeah. And I and I didn't realize it, I passed out. I woke up with paramedics. I was told I even seized

Scott Benner 1:02:42
HD my whole goal was to see everything I just said my whole goal used to be just that Arden was never the kid who passed out at school. That was like the first way I used to think of it but then that led me to you know, her blood sugar higher than I wanted it to be. And then soon my goal morphed into how can I keep her blood sugar down but stable in a way where it won't just randomly drop anywhere? And then you know, he just kept picking through things and picking through things and until the the insulin made more and more sense to me about how to use it where to put it where to take it away you know when to be more aggressive and less aggressive and all that stuff. But yeah, it all started with that like oh god I just don't want Arden to like I don't want the story to be that girl passed out at school. You know, it was like my first thought when she was a little you testing your blood sugar now.

Shaun Brown 1:03:40
I'm actually given a Bolus because I am blue it when I I kind of heavy handed my breakfast and I ended up kind of going low right before the the podcast and I was like, Well, I don't want to go on go low. During the podcast,

Scott Benner 1:04:00
I find myself wondering how often people are like, I really have to do a good job with my blood sugar water.

Shaun Brown 1:04:06
Pressure, like I actually kind of blew it. So I ate a whole persimmon which persimmons are kind of that's like 20 grams,

Scott Benner 1:04:13
then you went up? Yeah, just a little too much. So I did an interesting interview with an older person the other day. Who has gastro precice on top of you know, other stuff. And she got low during the show. And we kept going was really interesting like she treadle allow it didn't come up, but she traded it again. Her diabetes alert dog started bothering her. It was really like we can stop and she's like, No, no, it's okay. She's like, Yeah, and I was like, okay, so we kept going and it was it was interesting. It really it really was. I felt like I was watching it happen to my daughter but through headphones, kind of a kind of a thing.

Shaun Brown 1:04:53
I often wonder if that's something that it may be linked to the stomach issues that I was having, because I didn't know about Either and I had just learned about that recently, the Gasser purchases?

Scott Benner 1:05:03
Well, I think if I mean the very basic, I'm obviously not a doctor, but if your food is digesting the way you expect it to, you're not having any other neuropathy issues or nerve issues.

Shaun Brown 1:05:17
So that was another reason that I definitely was like, I need to get my act together was I was, you know, when I didn't go to sleep, I started getting to the point where I was worried I was beginning to experience neuropathy, and I wouldn't I would tell my dog like, Hey, is this neuropathy? I think I might have it, you know, me and he would kind of quiz me on it and then tell me no, no, that's not really neuropathy. So I don't know if he's just, dude, where are you gonna sleep here?

Scott Benner 1:05:45
What public state you live in? You're in California, aren't you? Yeah, I mean, California. That seems like a place where they have doctors. We got them exist. Let me just give you the neuropathy quiz real quick. Batman or Superman, Shawn? Oh, yeah, you're fine. Don't worry about it. Let's get out of your crazy kid. How many times have the ambulance come to here twice? Doing great buddy. Yeah.

Shaun Brown 1:06:13
I mean, I don't know. I honestly, I debate if I do I if I do. It's extremely minor. But like, to give you an example, I hate the weight of the sheets on my toes. If my toes are, like being pulled down by this by though, like the weight of the conference or too much. But I don't know if that really like qualifies as neuropathy. To be honest, have

Scott Benner 1:06:41
you had that your whole life or just more recently,

Shaun Brown 1:06:44
more into like my, into my 30s? Yeah. And so I always like that was what started me being all paranoid about it.

Scott Benner 1:06:52
Do you have any other tactile issues, the things you don't like touching you? Or sounds or tastes like things textures in your mouth? anything weird like that? case, really, just like stuff that throws your way off or you don't like the feeling of something in your mouth? Or you can't talk No,

Shaun Brown 1:07:09
not like that. No, no, no. Okay, but like, I like if I get a high blood sugar, and I think this is more a symptom of hyperglycemia. But like, I will experience like, in my sciences, my sciences will feel like dry and almost like I'm smelling metal sometimes. And that drives me nuts. Like, I will almost think like that's odd, you know, just because my sciences always seemed a little off.

Scott Benner 1:07:44
Or your is your blood sugar a certain way when you smell metal high?

Shaun Brown 1:07:50
No, it could be like, so for me, like I here's, here's a tidbit. Like just when No, it's not like that high. Like if it's just maybe going up. But like, if if I'm even like above 130 these days, I hate it. Like I can't stand it. Like I have to make sure that like it's one of the things that I think in general always kind of kept me taking care of myself pretty well. Is I absolutely despise the way it feels like to be terribly out of range anyways, even though I admittedly I was worse, but I was younger.

Scott Benner 1:08:24
Well, I think that's, listen, I I'm sorry, if you don't feel well, but I think it's great that you've because that what that tells me is that you've gotten your blood sugar so stable, and in a good range that you can tell now when when things aren't the way they're supposed to be?

Shaun Brown 1:08:41
Yeah, I would, I would definitely say that time and range was completely foreign to me. When, you know, not very long ago. I mean, I knew what time and range was, but I never understood the emphasis of it. I never understood like, how vital that is compared to other things ironically, because like now, you know, I can probably say like, you my standard deviation, which I also had no idea what what what that was, you know, ranges anywhere from, like, 20 to, you know, 28 often on an average basis as long as I have my basil locked down, which I'm really proud of, because I can only imagine it wants to be in complete garbage in the past, you know?

Scott Benner 1:09:22
Yeah, dude, I can't imagine either because you said you lost your data, but I had I was thinking that the way you were going especially from such a young age on your own like you're a one sees must have been pretty bonkers at some points,

Shaun Brown 1:09:34
I would think Yeah, and I mean, we ate like typical, you know, regular stuff, you know, go to pizza. I'd have like three slices type of thing. So

Scott Benner 1:09:44
think about that. Now, like if you had three slices of pizza now, how much insulin would that take?

Shaun Brown 1:09:49
Well, so here's the weird thing is since going vegan, my insulin needs dramatically dropped like so, so much. And also what I've learned is Removing or reducing fats as much as possible dramatically improves my sensitivity, like your measure to the point where I will have problems with hypose quite frequently, if I get a lot of activity Plus, I mean, I've eaten very lean that day.

Scott Benner 1:10:16
Yeah, right. Well, keeping the fat out of your diet helps the food to digest more quickly and get through you. And, and not Yeah,

Shaun Brown 1:10:22
it builds insulin resistance, which I never understood until now, you know, so

Scott Benner 1:10:29
the fat Yeah, the fat in your diet builds insulin resistance, I would think of it as the fat in your diet is slowing digestion down, which keeps the food in your system longer impacting your blood sugar. I don't know that I call that a resistance to insulin. It's an it seems like a need for insulin to me. But it might just be semantics. I'm not sure exactly how you're thinking

Shaun Brown 1:10:48
No, well, that that's correct. And like the immediate I think, but when when you're say consuming ample amounts of like, you know, animal protein that also is bundled with cholesterol, and, you know, saturated fats even, or you're also eating processed foods that have saturated fats or dairy products that have a ton, which dairy typically has a lot of saturated fat. And you're eating that consistently in the immediate Yes, it's like slowing your digestion and, and changing your insulin needs and kind of stretching them out and awkward, more dynamic ways. But

Scott Benner 1:11:27
I'm sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off. No worries. I was just gonna say it's really kind of fascinating, because I've been talking to people about how they eat more recently. Excuse me. And that same argument made by I hear made by a vegan, or by somebody eating carnivore, they're making the same, the same claim about eating a certain way. And I know I've heard that and each person's argument is poo pooed. By the other side, it's very interesting like this, you know, I'm not trying to Oh, no, no, no, don't do No, I understand. Go on. Sorry, I just I weren't, I wasn't saying you were starting some, like turf war about eating. I just, I'm like, I'm just kind of, it's fascinating, that it can work really well, for one person. Like eating the way you're eating, obviously, is doing a great thing for you. And it's really fantastic. And then I've had people on here, like, I just eat meat, and they have the exact same outcomes. I just, I always wonder why. I always wonder why they have opinions about the opposite, the opposite way of eating. That's the part I'm always confused about. I'm like, why does it matter to you? If this is working for you? And that's working for them? Yeah, who cares? You know, but

Shaun Brown 1:12:41
I don't personally, I care more about just, you know, my, I mean, people can eat however they want to eat. But when it comes to how I consume food, with anything, really, I want to know, you know, is it back? Is there science backing these days? Anyways, when I approach eating food, I want to know, is there like, you know, sound science backing the way that I'm choosing to eat? And does it make sense at all? Aside from pleasure, you know, like, does it make sense that I'm cutting this out of my diet? or putting this back in? And there's a lot of, like, evidence supporting, at least to my understanding, you know, removing animal products and dairy because of, you know, how they because like, one of the number one things that diabetics die from, is, you know, heart attack, or basically, cardiovascular related issues. Yeah. Right. And that's, like, it's one of the number one things and when you, you know, consume a lot of high saturated fat foods, you're contributing to that, essentially.

Scott Benner 1:13:51
So I have two separate thoughts here. I'm gonna lose one of them if I don't get it out of my head. I think I am really woozy. What was the first thing I was gonna say? Dammit, dammit. Dammit. Dammit, dammit. Oh, I loved what you said earlier about this. The way I'm eating now fits me. Like in the end. Like, that's my opinion of eating like, everyone's body is going to be different to some degree. Yeah, totally. You gotta eat something that works for you. You know, I don't think it would matter what it is it needs to work for you on all levels. And the other thing I want to say is, while I'm not making the point that being unhealthy is good for your heart. I am saying that a lot of people with diabetes die from cardiovascular issues because they're uncontrolled blood sugars, cause rips and tears in arteries that then repair themselves and eventually clog arteries and stop blood flow and give them a heart attack. So not that not that having a healthy heart otherwise isn't really important. But I don't but I don't want to leave anybody with the idea that if you just eat a bunch of stuff that's bad for your heart, that you're automatically going to have a heart attack because you have diabetes. Is it in my understanding that is got a lot to do with your, your blood sugar management, you're keeping a good time and range, you know, not fluctuating up and down all the time. That sort of stuff is is Yeah,

Shaun Brown 1:15:14
absolutely. I mean, no matter how how you eat if you're if you're not, I mean as as a type one if you're not controlling it at the same time. I mean that,

Scott Benner 1:15:26
yeah, you don't ask for complicated you don't want to compound it by doing two things at the same time. Right? Right. It's just, it's really, it's, I don't know, I find the whole thing kind of fascinating. I feel way better when I eat more meat, and less carbs. So like that, that works better for me. You know, a lot of my eggs, Turkey, chicken, some beef. Like that whole, like, like, leaning in that direction. leads me to a better day. It's fascinating. And I that's why when you said earlier like that, that really wasn't good for you. I was like, Oh, that's really interesting. How people are so different. You know? It's really cool, actually.

Shaun Brown 1:16:10
Yeah, I mean, I'm really just trying to kind of plan out being able to be here, man, I just want to stick around. And so you know, when I when I it's it's like, it's this it for me, it's the same thing is like cutting toxins out of out of, you know, the things that I consume, or whatever it is, you've been

Scott Benner 1:16:29
out of your body that your body doesn't want their and longevity, by the way. I'm glad you said that. Because in the end, that's really what we're all talking about. It's about Yeah, yeah, it's about staying here.

Shaun Brown 1:16:39
Yeah, absolutely. And so, um, you know, it just makes sense to me. I mean, if you guys if there's people out there that want to eat nothing but slim gems, and they have standard deviation and 15 or something awesome, dude. I mean, I hope that works out for you. And then but

Scott Benner 1:16:58
I gotta say, I don't think Slim Jims is exactly what we're talking about. Let's go with slim Jen. Yeah, I think I think that guy was on a little while ago. And I think he you know, he made the point at some point that when I'm talking when he said I'm talking about eating meat, like he wasn't talking about, like hotdogs, and you know, like, like, that doesn't count. It was a bad sorry. No, no, bad. No, no, I don't think it's a bad thing. Because I do think people can get confused. And think, Oh, I'm very, like, you know, I do this this way. I yesterday I had ring Bologna. Yeah, that's not the same thing. As as a, you know, maybe a well prepared, I don't know, well raised piece of meat, like, you know, I don't think they're, I don't think they're commiserate in the same because you're still processing with food, then when you're making hotdogs or making stuff like that, just because there's no carbs in them doesn't make them not processed. Anyway, I

Shaun Brown 1:17:51
had no idea what I what I found with food is that people are very attached to the way that they eat. And so I mean, most people will, very vehemently argue whatever it is, in the way that they you know, you know,

Scott Benner 1:18:04
it's funny, I take your point, because I've seen it too. But I sort of think of it as more of it's more of an internet thing. I don't I don't it to become that for sure. Yeah. Meaning if you put 10 people in a room and gave him you know, and we were all sitting around talk and somebody said, Hey, I'm eating vegan, that's been really good for me. I don't think someone across the room would stand up and go, you're wrong. I think people would just be like, oh, wow, Sean's a vegan. That's cool. And let it go. I think it becomes something you attach your it's not like an identity component. Yeah, it's not unlike other things you see online where people are virtue signaling, right? They want to make sure that you know that they are on the right side of this argument. Whenever I forget food from it, whatever the argument is, I know better. And I want to make sure everyone knows that I know better for I don't know what psychological reason that is that. I don't know how that helps you. But it seems very important to people.

Shaun Brown 1:19:02
I think it's I guess it's what like a kind of a dominance thing, potentially. I don't know.

Scott Benner 1:19:09
I always thought it was just currency. Well, yeah, I would, I would probably say that more. Yeah, it's Yeah. And then you get a group to accept you. And then you have, then you have community. Right, because you're against it. Again, yeah, adoration for the way that you think you could do it with politics. You can do it with food, you can do it with a lot of different things like, Oh, I'm on the side of this, because good reasons. Like I've, you know, it's I've never heard anybody argue one side of anything, and not come forward with a ton of good, you know, good, reasonable ideas. like nobody says, You don't mean like no, one side doesn't say I'm for good eating. And this is what good eating looks like and the other side's like, eight paper and weeds I find in the yard, and I smoke black tar heroin, and I'm helping out And I want to make my argument about being healthy now like nobody ever does that, like everybody thinks they're you. Because probably because they're doing it in a way that's obviously working for them. And so then you get that feeling of like, I need to tell other people like I just talked about it earlier, right? Like, I learned how to use insulin. And I wanted to tell other people because I saw how it saved my daughter.

Shaun Brown 1:20:20
Yeah, I absolutely agree with that. Yeah. And I think when you feel like you're on the right track, you do want to inform people and like, Hey, man, this is this is doing a big thing for me. Yeah, you should try it out to type of thing. I mean, I think in that sense, is quite harmless. If you're just trying to help people, it's when it becomes you know, like your those are the kind of you get on a soapbox, and you kind of have to tell people like this is the way that I think when when you get to that degree, then you've kind of crossed the line. Yeah, potential.

Scott Benner 1:20:51
Oh, no, no, yeah, there are fringes to everything. So you know, you're, I think most people are pretty, you know, I'm gonna use a word that sounds political, but it's not but I think most people are moderate and they're thinking about most things. Right. And there's some people don't lean in different directions. I'm not saying left or right. I'm saying like, you know, a little more vegan, I'm a little more beefy, I'm a little more about, I don't eat processed foods. And some people are like, screw you. I'm gonna have a Twinkie but I learned how to Bolus for like, everybody's got their own kind of like, vibe. It the people who scream and yell I always think of as being on the as far away from the centers as possible. Like they're they're

Shaun Brown 1:21:30
probably the most undecided in the end to ironically, I would think that's interesting. Yeah,

Scott Benner 1:21:35
I just know that.

Shaun Brown 1:21:36
Maybe that that confident in themselves after all, and I feel like they need to be louder about it. But who knows?

Scott Benner 1:21:42
I have no idea in the in In the meantime, and super sincerely. I think that's fine. If you're out on the fringe, and you don't really relate to anything anyone saying and you feel passionately about it. You young I've never looked at one of those people and thought, oh my god, they have no right to be you know, I don't care. Like I think it's great if everybody says what they think so yeah, should go with me. That's all. Sean, this was good. I probably used up every ounce of energy I have today to talk to you. And I think it was well worth it. But it's possible. I'm gonna stop this recording and crash. Not not wake up for a couple of hours. Did we not get to anything you want to talk about? Um,

Shaun Brown 1:22:26
there's so much more I can say. But you know, I'm gonna let you go, man. Sounds like you're not doing well.

Scott Benner 1:22:30
No, no, listen, I'm just you know, I'm a little euphoric at this point. Like, things are coming back around. I'm seeing colors. And now I'm just kidding. No, but seriously, is it? Did you have anything you want to talk about that? We didn't get to tell me if we did? I wouldn't ask if I didn't wanna know. You know, not really. It was a good chat, though. Scott had a good time. Did you really have fun? Yeah, man, I'm glad you had me on. I was thrilled that I was glad to hear from you. I think it's amazing as an adult, for you to have found. I mean, you move to so far from where you started, in a year, like your first emails were like, they had panic in them almost. It was, it was like someone showed you a completely different world that you didn't know existed, and you were excited to find out about it. And absolutely, yeah, it's really cool to see how much you've like absorbed on the way do you think you're gonna get a pump?

Shaun Brown 1:23:25
So I actually tried to like six months ago. And then it was a weird thing where I was told by the doctor's office that my insurance had slowed it down. But then I left it alone, because I was bummed about it. And I didn't I figured, well, I'm not going to get it then. And then I think, I don't know if it was like three months ago or so I had called my insurance to check in again, just to see like, you know, how much is it going to cut? Am I going to be covered on these? And they they are apparently going to cover it? So I don't know if there was a miscommunication or what, but I guess I could have already been online like six months ago.

Scott Benner 1:24:06
Oh, no kidding. Well, I hope you get what you want.

Shaun Brown 1:24:08
I have to tell you that you I'm a little terrified of trying to figure out how to make the I'm so used to like low tech, so I do need guidance on it. That's the only thing is I really want to feel like I'm making at least an informed starting point with one well, you know

Scott Benner 1:24:25
your settings, right? Like you do know how much how much do you use in a day. So here let me look at set your pump up right now. You know,

Shaun Brown 1:24:38
my bad I don't even need to look that up. So I take right currently I'm taking nine units of lantis. Which, just as a side note, man, I absolutely love lantis these days, like it was working for me quite well. And then as I leaned out and lost weight and became more sensitive and needed almost like half units which I can't administer with Those solo stars. It's just a pain in the butt.

Scott Benner 1:25:05
Okay.

Shaun Brown 1:25:06
Well, it has a terrible peak to like Jenny noted in one of the podcasts. Yeah, it has, it has a terrible peak that it will always wake me up at like two in the morning. It drives me insane. And the thing is, is if I'm like, it's a very like, like hair trigger type of insulin. So if you take if I take, like seven units at night, and two in the morning, I get an even keel through the day. And in my mind, blood sugar's look amazing. And my graph looks quite flat overall. But if I but I'll go hypo at night, which I don't want, obviously. So then if I back off on my lantis, split dose, and I go to six, and then I swap that unit over into the day, right? And so I'm doing like six and three. All my night will look better. But then it just, it completely takes a dump of my day, like to the point where I no longer have any coverage for Dom phenomenon at all. My am cortisol spike like is like a sledgehammer. I need like immense amounts of Bolus insulin throughout the day for every meal

Scott Benner 1:26:14
shown here. It's love a pump.

Shaun Brown 1:26:17
It's tough man. And so I'm just sick of that. And I'm honestly, one thing I'm worried about with the pump is I'm so damn thin now. I'm like, I'm worried about like trying to put one on my legs. Yeah,

Scott Benner 1:26:30
now I'm sure you'd be able to find place I've seen thinner people than you wear them less and less, your basil is gonna start at around point 375 point three, five, like somewhere around there an hour, you probably need a little more It sounds like you know, in the in the morning, then you'll need you know, overnight, and you'll just you'll make a couple of GDC I think the way you're thinking about all this really would lend to digging deeper and and

Shaun Brown 1:26:56
I honestly want to loop like I would love to start looping that sounds amazing. Do my iMac is like seriously antiquated and I in it. From my research. I don't think I can build the app or whatever you might have with my computer. And I'm doing we're scraping by right now. So I can't really get a new computer.

Scott Benner 1:27:17
What I'm what I'm pumped Are you thinking about

Shaun Brown 1:27:20
I was I really never was interested in palms when I was younger, primarily because of the tubing. And so when I saw when I saw Omnipod hit the market before I even knew about your podcast, I thought it was intriguing, but I didn't learn much about it. It's kind of the same thing with like, the Dexcom what I was watching it, I was always watching diabetes tech, but I was always unimpressed. To be honest. Like I I remember seeing like the the earlier Dexcom and just being like, ooh, the applicator does not look fun, you know. And then when the six came out, I was like, I can mess with that, you know. So then the more I listened to the podcast and heard you guys kind of pitching it to I thought well, actually doesn't sound that bad. I saw a lot of people on it using it. And I actually looked quite painless. And I that was one of the best things I ever did for myself was getting the Dexcom Yeah, to

Scott Benner 1:28:10
be honest, I have to be honest, either applicator works fine. Like the auto one with the G six is great, but I didn't have any trouble putting it on but the G five and before I get that it looked more

Shaun Brown 1:28:20
it was intimidating for sure. Coming from you know, an old head like me,

Scott Benner 1:28:25
you're not the only one who thought about that way either. I don't think that they made that applicator for fun. I think they made it because it was a it was a an impediment for a lot of people to try.

Shaun Brown 1:28:33
Yeah, it looked like a science experiment, but

Scott Benner 1:28:36
just pulled up on the ring and pushed down to the thing at the same time. I remember, oh my God, I've done so many of them.

Shaun Brown 1:28:43
Yeah, so any Anyhow, I would very likely if I'm gonna go pump it all going on the pod just because to my knowledge is the only one of its kind.

Scott Benner 1:28:53
So your play in my opinion, that is you wait until 2021. And you try the on the pod five the horizon? And is that one that drops? That's Yeah, it'll, it'll be in the, from what I understand it should be in the first half of 2021 you won't need a computer. And the really cool thing about it is that the algorithm will be burned, right, like baked right into the right itself. So you don't even need to be near your phone for it to work.

Shaun Brown 1:29:21
I'm definitely very interested in that. I'm just more wary of like, like making user error with programming. Because I want to feel like I'm starting on a on a like a safe starting point with it. Well, you know, I'm a smart Dude, I can figure it out from there on out but like, you know, I do feel like I I need a little guidance in that department. I understand. I definitely don't think I'm gonna get it from my doctors.

Scott Benner 1:29:46
Well, I agree with you. I think that algorithms in general as they're coming into the market, are the I think one of the problems they're having is the support of how to set them up. But really, you're just looking to get your basil right your you know, your sensitivity Close and then you'll see what happens. You can move it around a little bit till you find it.

Shaun Brown 1:30:04
You're trying to go but humor me real quick joking. You can program your basil to like, build around your knees through the day, correct? Yeah,

Scott Benner 1:30:15
man, you could have point three to five overnight for a couple of hours and then say you're gonna wake up every day at seven. And you get some feet on the floor some kind of a rise around seven 730. You can have your Misal go up the point for born four or five at 6am. So that it's build up for when you wake up in the morning. Oh, yeah, yeah,

Shaun Brown 1:30:34
I know exactly. When that happens. Now, too, I would have never known it without, you know, seeing my data from the CGM?

Scott Benner 1:30:40
No, no 100 per day, you can absolutely do that. And if you like, you know, look, if you you know, if you get low every day, blah, blah, blah, you can change if you have a meal that you eat, and you know, you get higher from this meal, but it doesn't happen with any other meal, you could like do a Temp Basal increase like you can, I don't I don't know

Shaun Brown 1:30:57
this stuff is that's so foreign to me. That's why I'd be like a little intimidated, those only thing, just think of it this way.

Scott Benner 1:31:03
Think of it having your lantis on a dimmer switch like a light. And you being able to like Turn it up or turn it down when your needs and you can automate the light. So it happens at certain times. That's awesome. A weaker, that's all it is. It's having control over your Basal insulin. I think that's still the biggest deal about a pump. And that's the side of algorithms because in algorithms, you there won't be Temp Basal increases and decreases, because the algorithm is going to do that kind of stuff for you. But But yeah, I mean, just on a regular if you just got a regular old on the pot right now you'd have, you'd have, you know, control over all that stuff.

Shaun Brown 1:31:42
That's what I was going to get. And then I kind of I don't know, got lost in the ether, and I just didn't get it.

Scott Benner 1:31:48
Yeah, I think if you um, I mean, it's November now. I mean, I don't really know when it's going to come out come out. But if you've got the okay to do it, try the Omni pod now learn how to use it kind of more manually, the way it is set up now and then make your decision. If you want to go to the algorithm when it's available. What

Shaun Brown 1:32:04
is the minimum amount of insulin that you put it into the pot at?

Unknown Speaker 1:32:09
I think 70 or 80? I haven't used that a minimum amount in a while. But you'll use,

Shaun Brown 1:32:15
like, good. I'm just doing the math real quick, because I use it about and that'll be about right. Yeah. Although I'm assuming that we weigh less actually, because you're only using one insulin?

Scott Benner 1:32:28
Well, because Wouldn't it be or Wouldn't it be more because you're you're going to use so you're going to use point, but I just say

Shaun Brown 1:32:37
well, I was looking at my total daily dose, like you know, Basil plus Bolus type of thing. And at the moment, I'm at 24.40, you're

Scott Benner 1:32:45
not need more than 80 then because you're going to use Yeah, I'm gonna use 27 units at a minimum, I would think for just your basil. And then 24 times 372 plus 27, you're gonna probably use about 100 units every three days.

Shaun Brown 1:33:00
Okay, cuz that my concern too was like, I don't want to waste insulin. Sure. Just but I'm very naive to it, because I don't know like how much it actually be using. And I just know I'm using a dramatic Li less amount than I used to use.

Scott Benner 1:33:15
Yeah, I'm looking at now the pot holds 200 units. at its maximum, it holds a minimum of 85 you won't waste that you're going to use more than 85 every three days. You know what what rapid do you guys do? Arden uses a Peter.

Shaun Brown 1:33:29
See, I've never experimented with any other analogues beyond novolog and Himalayan, which are essentially the same thing.

Scott Benner 1:33:36
Yeah, we've used novolog. I found it to peak like too harshly for Arden. And she'd crash a lot afterwards. And try it and

Shaun Brown 1:33:47
I experienced that myself, which is which is kind of that was what I want to ask.

Scott Benner 1:33:51
Yeah. So then we tried to Peter I find a feature to work very predictably and smoothly. Like I know how a pizza works after using it for so many years, and I'm good at using it. But Arden tried fiasco recently. And that was really good. And yeah, I caught that episode. He said it stung. Yeah, but it didn't work for her. Her physiology but the way it worked specifically was good. Like, we didn't have to Pre-Bolus as long we could be she could like have food that was I don't know how to put it like like stronger carb food. Because it was working more quickly. We weren't seeing as many like spikes her but I think if I could have kept her on it for a long time. I actually think I could have brought her a one c down a little farther. And I think that I think that her stable times would have been more stable. It worked really well. It just burned and Brewster and she just couldn't use it. Yeah.

Shaun Brown 1:34:45
So it does a Peter have the same type of action or is it different?

Scott Benner 1:34:50
a pizza doesn't I? The way I used to explain a pizza to people is that I haven't seen double arrows up or down and I don't really see single out arrows up or down ever on a pizza? Huh? So it can be very user, like driven but I am good at it. I'm not saying that but I'm saying Yeah, I just I was good at it when I had no vlog and it didn't matter. Like, I wasn't as good with no vlog as I am with a pager. And that's interesting. Yeah. So it's, it's, it's got like a different slope, then. I don't know, dude, I don't know what it is. But no vlog felt like it went in, took forever to work and then worked really, really intensely and then stopped. And

Shaun Brown 1:35:32
that's Yeah, that's my experience. That's I mean, I pretty much use novolog my entire life. I'm just kind of used to it. It can definitely be a pain in the butt.

Scott Benner 1:35:41
fiasco times started working right away, and felt like it was out of our system

Shaun Brown 1:35:46
sooner. Really, in a Piedra, say I wish we talked about it. And instead of me talking about my my mess ups all the time when we talk about this stuff before we are talking about it. Don't worry, I don't want to keep you man. I

Scott Benner 1:36:00
know. I still haven't thanked you. You do this thing that I don't know that you realize is the thing for me. But when you really like an episode, you share it on Instagram. And oh, yeah, I'm happy to share him. No, but it's not because that's not what I'm saying. I'm happy to share them too. But you're one of the people that when I see you share it. I feel like oh, because you don't blindly share everything. So I know when I did a good job because you share the episode. Like that's one of the ways I tell how I'm doing.

Shaun Brown 1:36:28
I would not use Shawn as a barometer. But I appreciate that. Shawn is not a good barometer. No. Is that the title that I do? I'll take the pat on the back. I dig it.

Scott Benner 1:36:39
You're just one of my little metrics I use so and you know, one day you'll be gone. I hate to say it like this one day you won't. And and then I'll find somebody else. But you're a person that I identified as, like Shawn doesn't just like throw kudos at me. You know, like, I'm at a wedding and he's got a bag of rice. Like so like he's very you're you're you're stingy with your praise. Yeah, I am a little bit yeah, no, dude, I it's interesting that you would notice that damn right. I did. How do you think I make this podcast popular? I know. Yeah, no, but you're one of my people. Like I'm like when I when when you're like, this was a good episode of My Damn, that must have been good.

Shaun Brown 1:37:18
See, I'm the same way with music. I'm absolutely the same with music. Like I won't. I won't just like Pat artists on the back just because, you know, they want the adoration. I actually come from a music background and I think a lot of young kids that wanted to make music with me thought either I was amazing, because they looked up to me or they probably thought I was a big app.

Scott Benner 1:37:44
I lately over the last year or two I can't tell people enough about Gary Clark Jr. Oh, he's amazing. Yeah, but I don't spend a lot of time on big fan actually. Yeah, I don't tell a lot of people about my my music likes i'm not i'm not i don't really share my music. interest. But if I go if the world ever gets right again, I want to see Gary Clark play live. And and the last I think he'd be amazing to see live man. Yeah, the last person I made the effort to see live was yo yo Ma. I don't don't go to a lot of live music. But I want to see Gary Clark play live somewhere. And I haven't been to a show for way too long. I used to go all the time. You got old man. Tell him I know. It's so sad. I told my daughter the other day. I said the best live show from just performance I was ever at was Guns and Roses. I said oh, that would be fun. Axl Rose ran and you're thinking you had to think of Axl roses. You know, like, not the not the old man. He is now but he ran around that stage for three hours. 100 miles an hour and sang the entire time. It was the most impressive thing I've ever seen. He was really impressive. I thought Metallica was really great live. I could never get into Metallica. But I know everyone seems to love Metallica or love they were very good live. You know who else was really good live thing of all things staying that Oh, you saw staying dude. Yeah, he was really good live. I saw him at an outdoor concert with Kelly when we were really young. actually want to sing songs. A remake he does is my wedding song. So but yeah, he was really good, but I've seen some max out do Hoover's great life, the Black Crowes. Really, I sat through a heart concert to watch the Black Crowes open for heart. I don't mean to insult anybody who likes heart but that Barracuda song gives me what the kids called douche chills. It's really bad music. And for me at least, but yeah, I lived through an entire heart a concert so I can see the blackrose open for them. But, you know, and and Alyssa told me I should come to Germany and hear her play. She was on the other day. So I was that where she was. She's actually in Germany. I think she was talking about this one concert hall that I think she said it was in Germany that she said, it's just amazing to see her play. She was a really, really cool episode. I like that one. I appreciate that. Thank you. I love the cello. So by the time this comes out, I should have another I can tell you now cuz nobody will hear it. I think I got the Hey, everyone jumping in for a second here. I'm sorry, I can't tell you who I got yet. still working on it. It's taken a long time. And then somebody just like during the broadcast, or like he has type one diabetes. So I've been trying to get him on the podcast since then. I can never get any traction on getting him on. And I did something for I did something for a charity the other day. And when we got done, the person was like, hey, this was great. Thank you. If you ever need anything, let me know. And who was playing at the charity event? I said, Give me up Give me the address the email address of his manager all were even. She's like, All right, here it is. So I think I got him. Excited. I love I think that's a I don't know why very strange mix of

Shaun Brown 1:41:19
No, you know, that's, that's pretty cool. And I think it's, it's interesting when you you learn how music touches people. And music is such a, like, amazing component of our lives, even if we don't realize it. Yeah. And I mean, I've been surrounded by it since I was a kid. And I can't imagine a life without music,

Scott Benner 1:41:41
music or play when you were playing. Went out? Well, I'm sorry. I played Yeah. Or that I was just around. No, I thought you said you were playing. You've had played music for years. Oh, so I

Shaun Brown 1:41:54
come from more of a like hip hop. Production background. Okay. Engineering, mixing. And I ironically, have a bachelor's in Recording Arts even though I learned everything on my own. It's more just a fancy piece of paper on the wall. But um, I just I've always loved being able to, like create something from scratch with friends. And I've kind of lived and breathed hip hop since I was a little kid. I had like, you know, fat boys on cassette. So it's just always been a part of my life. My dad actually managed Tower Records for 30 plus years. No kidding. Yeah. And so I grew up, I get it. I grew up in a record store. It was it was amazing.

Scott Benner 1:42:45
Well, let me measure my, my, my rap likes, and then we can get out of here. I like Dave East a lot. Do you know him?

Shaun Brown 1:42:54
So yeah, I'm, I'm kind of an old school head. Even though I do listen, I try to tune in to newer stuff, right? I'm gonna, I'm probably gonna kind of square myself out a bit. But I can't really dig a lot of the new stuff these days, even though some of it I kind of see where they're going with it. Yeah. So I'm not familiar with that guy. But they're there. What happened to me, in my opinion, along the ways, I started just noticing too much redundancy and music. And it made me kind of like, not care about a lot of the new stuff coming out. It just it felt so predictable, during the 90s. And I hate to you know, pitch up the 90s, like a lot of people do and say it was the golden era or whatever. But there there was a lot of push to be like a unique version of yourself, at least in hip hop. But I think across the board, really. And there was the dynamic between record labels was different. I think it's all for the better these days, to be honest, because there's more, even though there's saturation, and there's too much out there. There's a lot more organic stuff being created these days, which is also great.

Scott Benner 1:44:07
At least the artists have control of their stuff for the most.

Shaun Brown 1:44:10
Yeah, totally. I mean, it just goes to show he really didn't need those labels in the first place. And they were just kind of milking. Yeah. But at the same time, they did become sort of like a vessel to put people into more people, you know, ears. And I think that that was one thing that you can't deny about certain record labels. There was there was good labels along the way to that they really grew artists. Yeah,

Scott Benner 1:44:36
well, they had distribution channels, too, that exist until the internet

Shaun Brown 1:44:41
Exactly. And distribution is vital. Like if you don't have a distribution, you're back when it was hard copy. You know, you weren't you weren't going to get into anybody's household. So that was a big deal. And I think that's part of what played into being a very original version of yourself. With music back then. Was It was like, there wasn't, there was way more push to create something that was highly unique in that not just the way it sounded, but like, you know everything about you even, like, from the way that you even your style was a component. Ironically, it's

Scott Benner 1:45:19
interesting because I probably have a mix of that because I brought up Davies because I like his voice. And when my son listens to him, and I'm like, this guy's got a great voice. I don't think he cares. Like my son hears like the beat underneath of it and all that other stuff like that. And I don't care about that as much I I even like, I like pop spokes voice. Like I hear voices more, but I don't. It doesn't open up a doorway for me to talk about it with younger people who like rap music. That's interesting, because most people do gravitate to the beat more. Yeah, yeah. I don't really care about the beat so much. I'm like, this guy's voice is really neat. And and my son's like, What is wrong with you? And I'm like, you don't hear? I'm like you're listening to the same thing I'm listening to you don't hear that. He's like, Nah, that's not the part I care about. My God sent you this very interesting. So Alright, I'll let you go after you tell me what's the best rap app ever?

Unknown Speaker 1:46:06
Who you love

Scott Benner 1:46:07
the Best Rap? What act Who's Who? Who? Did it right in the 90s.

Shaun Brown 1:46:11
Okay, so, man, that's completely like so you know? Yeah, of course, your opinion. I can't honestly like I've been influenced by so many artists. But like a top one for me would be Pete Rock and CL smooth. Those guys were phenomenal. They were kind of like, for me personally Anyways, what made me want to be part of the culture what made me want to make my own version of whatever that is. and contribute in my own way. You know, their their music kind of really set a fire under me. But so many because I I've had I've had I really do like all kinds of music like I really enjoy almost everything. Mine is I suppose country and I can listen to like older country, like Johnny Cash type stuff. I can't I can't listen to modern country that makes me cringe. But I love the blues. I will listen to the blues any day. Yeah. You know, I listened to all kinds of stuff like Afro beat, whatever. I really enjoy a variety. I you know, it's kind of boring. I only listen to one thing.

Scott Benner 1:47:23
I heard the you know what i heard recently that threw me off as I started watching justified. It's available now on Hulu. And the theme song is a bluegrass rap mix. And I can't tell if I I really liked the show. But in the beginning when I think the like I wanted to watch another episode to hear the theme song again. I was like, Well, that's it. A mixture I've never heard before in my life. Yeah, it almost sounds confusing. We'll have to hear it to get an idea. You find the justified theme when you get off of here and tell me it's not a little catchy? But Cool. All right. Well, Shawn, now we've gone from an hour an hour 45 minutes. Okay, but but I really I had a really good time talking to you. I'm really glad you did this. I'm super happy that you found your way and, and you're, you know you're making so many positive changes for yourself. It's fantastic. Yeah, thanks, Scott. I enjoyed chatting with you, man. Me too.

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Scott Benner 0:00
Hello friends. Welcome to Episode 517 of the Juicebox Podcast.

In August of 2006, our two year old daughter Arden was diagnosed with Type One Diabetes. Much like all of you, this took us completely by surprise. We didn't know anything about autoimmune issues, even though now with hindsight, we can see different ones. In my wife's family. I'm adopted, of course, so I don't have any medical knowledge of things like that. But we were blindsided on vacation at the beach, at a big family gathering. Our daughter was just wasting away and dying. And suddenly we know what was happening. I don't think that our life has ever really been the same since then. It's much better in some ways, and there are obvious deficits. Anyway, I'll tell you a little more in a second. But remember, while you're listening that nothing you hear on the Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice, medical or otherwise, please always consult a physician before making any changes to your health care plan, or becoming bold with insulin. This episode of The Juicebox Podcast is sponsored by the Dexcom g six continuous glucose monitor. It is also sponsored by Omni pod makers of the Omni pod dash. You can find out more about the Dexcom and get started@dexcom.com forward slash juice box or to learn about the Omni pod promise. And see if you're eligible for a free 30 day trial of the Omni pod dash go to Omni pod.com forward slash juice box. Before we get started, I want to remind you that Arden has just turned 17 that she's never been on a podcast before. And that I asked her before we started for one thing I just said please just be honest, be yourself. The goal here with this episode was for you to get to know Arden a little bit. Before we got started with a series where I'm going to talk to her about things that I'm hoping she'll do for herself and her health. As she gets older and goes off to college. I didn't want you just to not know who she was because Arden has a very sarcastic sense of humor. She's dry, she doesn't have a filter. I know some of you may have expectations of who Arden is. But by the time this is over, you'll know for sure. Hope you enjoy this episode. I really enjoyed sitting with my daughter and making it I have to say that this podcast has afforded me a lot of wonderful things. And to sit down across from my daughter and talk like this is one of them. I hope you enjoy getting to know Arden I really love talking to her. If I'm being honest, I don't think she ever but here we go. Alright, you recording now ask your question again. No, snap for that and just keep going. I'm going to ask, I'm going to answer you now.

Arden Benner 3:29
No, I don't know. I don't want this used.

Scott Benner 3:36
So if you want to curse, you can curse and it gets beeped out. But that's stupid. Why would I curse then? People can still tell what you say. They don't I just so the reason I don't have cursing on the podcast is because children listen. No, they don't. They do. And because it would preclude me from being in certain countries on iTunes. So those are the two reasons. Do you want to introduce yourself?

Arden Benner 4:02
No. Y'all know who I am? We can proceed. You can drag it out there with the water cuz I need hours.

Scott Benner 4:14
Alright, so first, let's be honest with people tell them while you're doing the podcast,

Arden Benner 4:19
I need a parking spot at my school and I have no community service hours. And and I you know I should get community service for being alive. But that's not enough. So I'm here.

Scott Benner 4:29
Okay, so we went to Your what? We went to the school and we asked them if being on the podcast would count. And they said yes.

Arden Benner 4:37
Yeah, a little bit. Yeah. They said that's fine. Yeah, that was very nice of them. didn't have to do that. Yeah. I mean, Paul didn't have to get community service for being related to me, but that happened.

Scott Benner 4:45
So you're saying when Cole was in high school, he got some community service because his sister had diabetes.

Arden Benner 4:50
Yeah. Which seems you know, horrible. But

Unknown Speaker 4:52
whatever. I think maybe his his guidance counselor was just trying to help him out but you think why are you talking to me like I'm full

Scott Benner 5:00
I'm not talking to you like your, this is gonna be so strange. So two things. First of all, I've never interviewed somebody face to face before. So it's a little weird for me. Hey, look at the wall. I don't know what you're doing here. But of all the people in our family you and I talk the most though. Right? We're the chatty is that before? Yeah, right. Okay. So like when we get in the car, we drive somewhere we talk the whole time. No, but all right. We talked last night, we took Samson at home in the rain.

Arden Benner 5:29
That was a, you know, different scenario. But all right, what scenario was it? You know, breaking laws? Oh,

Scott Benner 5:35
you just driving through some floodwater? It was fine. Okay, so I'm gonna, here's my plan for this. It's a very loose plan. We're gonna get to know you in this one. Okay, around diabetes. And then we'll talk in future episodes. And I will be you and I will be talking together about the idea of sort of transfer of power, like diabetes power from me. And Mom, to you. Right. And that process? Okay,

Unknown Speaker 6:10
yep. Sounds good. Okay.

Scott Benner 6:11
And on a scale of one to 10? How excited are you to do this

Arden Benner 6:14
about a three? Okay, not at all? Easy. That was way higher than I'm actually thinking.

Scott Benner 6:21
So let me ask you about that first, then. Is this just something in general, you wouldn't do? Like if someone else asked you to be on their podcast? You'd be like, I don't want to do that.

Arden Benner 6:30
Yeah, I don't see the point in this. You don't think anything? I have no knowledge about anything. I'm just the name.

Scott Benner 6:37
So this is very interesting. Okay, because everyone who comes on this podcast, I'm seriously everyone later will say to me, hey, if you don't want to use that episode, I understand. I know, we didn't talk about anything. But I've used every episode that I've ever recorded, with the exception of a couple because of like other personal reasons for people. But the point is, is that everyone share something that's really helpful to other people. So you might not know that you have some good information, or something to share. That'll be valuable, but you do. Okay. Yep. All right. So, first serious question. Do you What's the earliest you remember having diabetes?

Unknown Speaker 7:22
What's your question? Is that I don't know. What's your first memory of it? I don't know. Do you remember having it when you were two?

Unknown Speaker 7:31
I don't even know

Scott Benner 7:32
what I would think. No, I'm just asking the question.

Arden Benner 7:34
Yeah, I don't know. I remember yesterday, like, I don't understand what type of question this is.

Scott Benner 7:38
Do you remember when you were five? Like, that's kindergarten? Do you remember having diabetes in kindergarten? I don't think about it like that. I know. That's what we're trying to get to. I think that you consider diabetes in a much different way than a lot of people do. So that's what we're trying to get to. Okay. You understand what I'm saying? All right. You're combative witness here. You don't have to be combative. Just answer the questions. If you don't know, say, I don't know, it's fine. Here's the question for you that will answer at the end of this episode. Try to think of on this podcast. What word has most frequently came after the word artists? It's art and and then second word? It those two, these two words are used most frequently together? One of them being your name? Yeah, I know what it is. What is period? You got to quickly

Unknown Speaker 8:32
you have someone right now. You have your period right now, you wouldn't ask me that. I wouldn't know my period right now.

Scott Benner 8:40
Okay. All right. So let's not ask you about how far back you remember, diabetes instead. Let's, let's talk about the way you think about it. So in the course of a regular day, when's the first time you think about diabetes?

Arden Benner 8:56
I don't, I don't think about it. Ever, literally ever. I don't think about

Scott Benner 9:01
it. If I asked you to do word association, and I said, Arden is you would never say diabetic, right? No, but you know, you have diabetes, obviously. Yeah, no, no, I have no idea. But you just don't. You don't see yourself that way. No, I don't see myself that way. So it's not a weird question. Because a lot of people do. or more importantly, a lot of parents are afraid that that's how their kids are going to see them. All right. So did you know when you were a little kid, and you would come home from school? The first thing I would say to you is what's your blood sugar? No, I have no idea. You don't remember that. So that's a really impactful thing for me. Because it It took me a little while, but I realized that I wasn't even looking at you. I was just worried about the diabetes. And so I consciously stopped myself from asking about it when you got home even when there were times when I thought thought your blood sugar might be low or that you could be in some sort of trouble or something like that I would stop myself. I'm sure I wasn't listening to a word you said when I got it. I think this is important for people to hear. Cuz I had a lot of anxiety around it at the time. And you now are how old 17? And you have no memory of it whatsoever. Yeah, memory, a lot of stuff that happens. So do you remember anything in your life? Like, I don't remember very far back in my life, I'd never have been able to fit some pieces. I don't know. Yeah, but you have a very good memory for like, present day stuff.

Arden Benner 10:33
Joe, losses, tests and quizzes.

Scott Benner 10:38
Because, like, you'll get up in the morning and have had like a really weird dream or something. And you'll tell me about it in really like specific detail. Yeah, that's probably a psychological thing. Like, I'm just, I don't have any problems like that. Yeah, yeah. You seem like you're gonna be okay. So far. We've been looking at this timer. Don't look at it. Don't watch that. We're just talking. Trust me, that takes people 15 minutes just to relax. Okay. So, back to my original question. So when's the first time you think about insulin or diabetes? Or do you not even think of it as diabetes? Just think of it as I'm going to eat? Yeah, I don't think diabetes. Okay. Yeah. How frequently do you think you use the word? Literally, never. I don't think I do either. Like outside of this podcast. I don't think I say diabetes in my personal life. Yeah, such a long word. They could have named it something better. Don't you think the beats that would you would call it No, no.

Arden Benner 11:43
But wait, what? If you're diabetic and you have a fat ass, you're diabesity

Unknown Speaker 11:49
that's what love tells me. Your friend tells you that if I ever,

Arden Benner 11:53
you know, get sick, I'm a diabetes now, okay. In the winter, you know, like when you put on weight?

Unknown Speaker 12:00
Like so? Like, like a bear? You're gonna go into a cave and Hibernate for a while. Everyone gets bigger in the winter. Okay,

Scott Benner 12:07
so what so you brought up your friends? You brought up live? How much do your friends know about? Uh, do you think?

Arden Benner 12:16
I know nothing? Nothing? I don't know. They? I honestly have no idea. I cannot tell you. I don't even know if they know I'm diabetic.

Scott Benner 12:25
I know that they don't appear to have any even general knowledge about it. Yeah. So I think parents listening would then wonder how that happens. Because their concern is that other people might see their children as only like a person with diabetes. But you have a close group of friends. And they don't. They don't even understand anything about it. Right? Yeah. Have you ever said to them like, this is my chivo hypo pan. This is how it works. You know what that means? So you so you have no idea what the hell? Okay, so you know, you're carrying glucagon?

Unknown Speaker 12:56
Yeah, it's in my purse, right? Yeah, I throw pasta purse. But you don't know what it's called? The in the package, right? Yes. Yeah. I don't even know how to use that. Okay. Well, now's a good time. They're not gonna think you're a great dad outside of this. Well,

Scott Benner 13:10
I it's a hypo pen. It's this. Alright, you don't need to teach me right away. Fine. But in front of everybody. This is important. You know, I've showed this to you. Right?

Arden Benner 13:19
Yeah. I just have no recollection of how to use it. Okay, because I won't get in that situation.

Scott Benner 13:24
Well, this is super okay. You don't think it'll ever come up? No. You don't think you could have like a mistake or a problem or something could happen now? I'm completely fine. You're completely fine.

Arden Benner 13:33
Yeah. I've gotten to 20 before and, you know, strong brain I have. I can keep myself awake. Your brain. Your brain holds up? Yeah.

Scott Benner 13:43
Okay, so But seriously, for people listening. I've showed this to you. Yeah, I can't get up off.

Arden Benner 13:49
I'm aware. You showed that to me.

Scott Benner 13:51
Okay. But you didn't remember? No. So this is so this is? I'm very glad you're honest. Okay. I seriously, um, because I think that that's could be one of those things that people right now are like, Oh, my God. You mean, my kid might not remember this. I explained this to them. It's super important. If

Arden Benner 14:08
your kid is older than 15 when they walk out the door, they're not listening to you. Just so you're aware. I I went on my first drive after I got my license mom screaming stuff in my ear. And I was like, Yeah, that sounds good. Okay. You don't know. I was out the door. I don't even know what she was talking about. She told me not to drive into a tornado. And I was like,

Scott Benner 14:29
so it's interesting, because mom doesn't want you to die generalized. She's just like, Don't crash into anything. That's her worry. And I really am more concerned that you're what a lot. What's the only thing I said to you when you left?

Unknown Speaker 14:42
Check your blood sugar. Yeah, and make sure you're I always do that.

Scott Benner 14:45
Yeah. And make sure your Dexcom is not silenced. Right.

Unknown Speaker 14:48
Yeah, well, I mean, it's connected to the car. It's not it's gonna laugh at me. So I was really loud when it's on CarPlay

Scott Benner 14:54
now that was a lie. But um, but I but I do. It makes no sound at all. Which is it because your phone is muted. Now my phone's not muted. Well, it must be because so this is another interesting thing that we go through all the time. You kids in general, you don't like your phones to make notification sounds. Yeah, cuz of school. Right. But then it stops the Dexcom for making notification sounds to

Unknown Speaker 15:20
it was making them all day in Buffalo Wild Wings in Buffalo Wild Wings. Yeah. Because, like, so loud.

Scott Benner 15:26
So I think it's important for to, especially while you're driving.

Arden Benner 15:31
Yeah, I'm completely I'll check. I mean, you know, I'm not supposed to go on my phone while drive but like, I track it.

Scott Benner 15:38
So you understand, but you understand why though, right? Yeah,

Unknown Speaker 15:41
I'm aware. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Being like interrogated. We're just talking Really? Okay. It's not It's not an eye contact with me.

Unknown Speaker 15:53
There's a lot of eye contact. Yeah, it's weird. Let me drink some water. He was saying no. He was such a pretty singing voice though. Okay.

Scott Benner 16:05
Okay, so you don't really identify at all with diabetes, but you're not embarrassed that you have it.

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Arden Benner 19:45
I i don't i don't think about it like at all. Yeah, I don't care.

Scott Benner 19:50
Like if somebody at school said no one at school says anything. Right? But if they did, you'd have no trouble being like yeah, I have diabetes.

Arden Benner 19:58
Yeah, no one I can say that like, I'm aware people at my school are intimidated by me. Um, so I've been told, so no one really approaches me. And if they do, I'm actually very nice person. They're very nice. Yeah,

Unknown Speaker 20:16
yeah, I should probably be given metal for that. But, you know, why would these people think you're not approachable?

Arden Benner 20:22
At my school? Yeah, I'm very quiet. You're quiet? Yeah. No, you know, like, I don't talk unless I want to talk. Once when class is over. my headphones are in and I'm out the door. Okay.

Scott Benner 20:31
Are you like serial killer? Quiet? Do you think they don't talk to you? Because they're afraid of you. Now? Oh, maybe I'm not maybe that's good. Okay, but hypothetically, if someone came up to you in school and was like, mocked you or tried to make fun of you,

Arden Benner 20:46
I cannot see that happening. Okay. I'm taller than half of the guys at my school. No one's doing that to me.

Scott Benner 20:51
I say. What if a nine foot person amen? Would you? Would you just be like, yeah, I have diabetes. Leave me alone. I don't care what you think.

Arden Benner 20:58
I wouldn't. I would walk past them. Okay. Yeah, I wouldn't say anything. Okay. mock me. Do you

Scott Benner 21:04
think? Yeah, like, what if somebody tried to so there was a woman on here once, who shared with me that during the AIDS epidemic, she was younger. And like her, like, there were kids at school that would call her like, diet aids or something like that, like make, like, really try to come out or about diabetes through like the AIDS thing. But like, if that happened, you wouldn't would you not be upset?

Unknown Speaker 21:28
I put you would think it was kind of funny. I really diet AIDS. That's horrible. I'm gonna do name.

Scott Benner 21:34
I know. I thought so I forget exactly what she said. But when she told me I did think that's like such a bad thing. Like who came up with that? Alright, so do you know your laid back? What? Are you aware that you're a laid back person?

Arden Benner 21:48
Oh, I think there's crazy people in the world. And there's not crazy people in the world. And I don't think I'm crazy.

Scott Benner 21:52
You just think you're not a crazy person. Yeah. Okay. But you don't see that in general that your attitude is relaxed. No, I just I feel normal. Well, yeah, you're you. Yeah. Here's a different way to think of it. When you look at me and you look at Mom, do you see that your personality might be more like mine. And like mom's? No, you don't think of it that way?

Unknown Speaker 22:13
No, I think I work more like mom. You work like mom. Yeah. What about your sense of humor? I'm my own person, dad. Yeah. Thank you very much. You

Scott Benner 22:21
don't want to identify with me at all in this conversation? Oh,

Arden Benner 22:25
I know, as you get older, I don't really want to say that my sense of humor is like yours because it's getting worse.

Scott Benner 22:29
You see, you think my sense of humor is getting worse? Yeah,

Unknown Speaker 22:32
I think ranking in the family. I'm now above you. You're above me. And I think me and the dogs are only one of the dogs. But mom and Cole are nowhere near

Arden Benner 22:41
Yeah. Wow. It's like, you guys never want them on this. Ever. Your mama put her gas station voice on. She'd be super sweet. It'd be really sweet and nice. Yeah, yeah. And then we'd finish and she'd be like, Oh, my guys, cable.

Unknown Speaker 23:00
And she wouldn't say that. Not really what I should be talking about you about me? Okay, great. Very

Arden Benner 23:06
nice. People. I mean, you. You have a lot of leaping to do on this just kind of comes out to me. I understand.

Scott Benner 23:11
Yeah, I can see you getting more relaxed. So that's good. Okay. All right. Well, I find what you're talking about interesting, because I've spoken to so many people who don't feel this way. And yet, I think that you are tackling it from a common sense approach. As far as I can tell. I don't see why. Why you should identify yourself as a problem, or an issue or a size or height or hair color, anything like that. So hair color. Yeah. Like if somebody your hair changes color sometimes. Yeah, it's gonna say. But you don't mean like, I don't think that ain't mean if somebody called you, Blondie and you had blonde hair. I don't know how you could get your feelings hurt by that, like, so I don't understand. So there's a I'm with you. I don't understand either. But I do know that there are plenty of people who feel that way. And it's very real for them. And it's an issue for them. So I was just wondering about you. So people listening might assume that because you were diagnosed so early in your life, that you really don't have any knowledge of not having diabetes.

Arden Benner 24:16
I literally I don't, I could not tell you. I literally have no knowledge of anything. I don't know. Like, I just don't think about life like that.

Scott Benner 24:25
Yeah, at all. Okay, no, I understand. I hear you. So of the things that you do know, let me ask you this question. If I if I if I just disappeared, right? I just pooped off the powwow. Right? Like the snap happens. I'm gone. Mom's gone. I'm gone. But they keep sending the diabetes supplies to the house is called gone. Doesn't matter for this scenario. I think it does. You think you can take care of yourself. Okay. Yeah, probably. I'll be fine. Yeah. I'm thinking about going On the way to college, what parts of it?

Arden Benner 25:02
Oh, the only part that I'm gonna up is alarms when I'm sleeping. That's it. That's, that's my only problem. Okay. I do not hear anything at all. I have a problem if I do hear, I just keeps. So even if you work so even if you weren't here like last night, I was like mid sleep and it was like Barbara robot and I was like, oh, someone will get it. Someone will get it. Yeah, I didn't feel good. I went to bed. Yeah.

Scott Benner 25:28
So you're sure your blood sugar was like too low last night for a couple hours?

Arden Benner 25:31
Yeah, I hear a beep in my room. And then I hear a beep in your room. And I think Whose turn is it? Dad's?

Scott Benner 25:39
Have you ever once gotten up and done something?

Arden Benner 25:41
Oh, yeah. Yeah. Well, that I haven't gotten up. I just haven't gone to sleep yet.

Scott Benner 25:46
Okay, so if you think I'm asleep, and you're still awake, yeah, then you'll do something

Arden Benner 25:51
all last summer. Like when we were like COVID like we cannot leave the house I used to call doesn't know this. But I used to like really late at night. I'd be up to like three in the morning and I was like binge watching the Percy Jackson movies. And I would text called be like call my blood sugar solo. Please get me a drumstick. And some toast Tito's like I really don't feel good, this whole thing. And he'd like run downstairs and get them in my blood sugar was completely fine. That's horrible. Yeah, don't talk. I am so bad. He doesn't listen to this. Because I want to try that again. No, don't do that. Dad. Come on.

Scott Benner 26:25
I don't know. It seems efficiency, efficiency for me. Bye. But to my original question. You'll hear

Arden Benner 26:33
me the first couple of times it was low.

Scott Benner 26:36
Right? Oh, and then I was like, Oh, looks like it's working. Okay. All right. So but wrapped around that idea? I mean, you're thinking of going to college? Right? Yeah, if I can get in? Yeah. So you're not thinking of going to college somewhere locally? Where you live here? No. So what are you going to do?

Arden Benner 26:58
I don't understand what your question is. What am I under? About? What?

Scott Benner 27:01
What are you going to do if your blood sugar gets like dangerously low?

Arden Benner 27:05
Take care of it. I don't. This isn't a worry. Like, I don't understand what the big deal is about this.

Scott Benner 27:11
It's interesting. So you don't remember having a seizure? So you're gonna say no, but not. You've been using an algorithm for a while now. That stops your blood sugar from getting super low. You don't remember?

Arden Benner 27:25
I do remember what it was like without it? Yeah, didn't haven't had it that long. Okay. Yeah, I'll be fine.

Scott Benner 27:30
Yeah. Wait, are we still gonna? Cause? Well, so there's a good question, right? What if the, what if that just what if the loop just disappears?

Arden Benner 27:41
That, you know, it doesn't seem like it's gonna happen? Okay, why? Wait? There's a lot of reasons it could happen. Oh, I think you're wrong about that.

Scott Benner 27:50
It's just people on the internet making a thing. Okay. And it needs like other stuff to work? What if this? What if the company's not making the stuff? That was

Arden Benner 27:58
that company making money? They're not making that. Okay, so you're not worried about losing the algorithm? Everything? I I'm such a mellow person, whatever, go with the flow, you'll be okay. We'll be fine.

Scott Benner 28:11
Are you? Do you know that I'm, I'm thinking that you should try the Omnipod five when it comes out. I have no idea what that is. Okay, so on the pod is gonna have their own algorithm that's gonna come out. And I was thinking we should try that. Because that would take away the orange link. Okay. You just want it to work.

Arden Benner 28:32
I really don't care about any of this, like all this, that this that like, if people who listen to this understand what they're doing and listen to this for like, like the knowledge of diabetes, I don't understand why. You're not gonna I could never do that. Okay.

Scott Benner 28:48
Well, but what? So the question is, then, you realize, I forget in the moment, but do you realize that one day, you're going to need to understand that? How this works? Yeah.

Arden Benner 29:03
I think I understand this better than half of these people.

Scott Benner 29:07
know any of these people? I

Arden Benner 29:08
know. I don't know them. But you know, but well, but you gotta listen for a reason. I know, some people just listen because they like, I don't think that's true.

Scott Benner 29:16
You believe that no one could possibly be listening to us because they enjoy it. Do you think they're just getting answers? And that's it? Yeah, I think that's not right. I think you're not right. So let me tell you what they tell me. Okay. All right, is that there? There can be this loneliness that happens for some people, okay. There can be loneliness that happens where they don't know another person that has type diabetes, like no one else. So if they have a problem, or a fear or something like that, there's no one to talk to, and no one to to get answers from. So this can actually serve as like a community for them here because people come on and talk about their diabetes. That's the Last thing I want to talk about, you don't want to talk about that. That's fine. If that's not what you want to talk about. But is it nice to think that if one day you did that there'd be somewhere you could go to find? You know, because

Arden Benner 30:09
I, I genuinely don't think I would ever do that in my entire life.

Scott Benner 30:13
We don't think you'd want to talk to other people. Like

Arden Benner 30:14
you could all be really nice people. I The last thing I want to talk to you about is diabetes.

Scott Benner 30:19
Okay. So you just want to if you met some of these people, you would just talk about something different.

Arden Benner 30:23
Yeah, I am not a diabetic or you're like anyone else. Like, no, no, no.

Scott Benner 30:28
So so you don't I? So listen, first of all, I find this very interesting. I know this about you. But I mean, we've never said it back and forth to each other. I'm, I mean, I was gonna say proud, but I don't even think there's anything to be proud of, I think you're just acting like yourself. Like, I think this is how your personality adapts to this situation. I think if, if, if if I had diabetes, I would react differently than you do, and just as everybody else would. But it's it's, I don't know, it's very interesting, because the algorithm, as an example, is not easy to get set up. Which is one of the reasons why I would like you to go in on the pod five, and I'm hoping I fingers crossed that it's going to work well for you. Because I don't think you're going to be the kind of person who's going to want to sit down and make an app and upload it on your phone for the rest of your life. And when you do, though, don't you have make an app? You certainly sat here with me while we've put the loop app onto your phone through that computer? Yeah, I

Unknown Speaker 31:31
go to sleep on the ground. Like, I'm not part of that you just lay on the floor with a turn. So you're unaware, I don't even

Arden Benner 31:36
know what your turn means. I don't know what I do to contribute to that. I think I put my passcode in. And I don't even know my passcode

Scott Benner 31:47
I'm trying to decide how people listening are feeling right now. If they're if they're like, Wow, my clay might hate me. Well, they might I don't think they're gonna hate you. But So listen, if I had to guess I think most adults with type one will hear you and think this is a very relaxed attitude that will take you a very long way with diabetes. And I think some of the parents might be thinking, wow, this is cool, you know, to see that she's not burdened by that is probably their biggest worries that their kids are burdened. You know what I mean? Because some people really are. And there's nothing wrong with that. It's just It's how I mean, you're lucky that you don't have like, an anxiety disorder, for instance, because you would feel completely different. Maybe. So,

Arden Benner 32:25
yeah, I can't I don't know. I can't speak for them. First of all, idea.

Scott Benner 32:29
No, I know. I understand. Alright, well,

Arden Benner 32:32
they gave me two other disorders. You know, I'm good. What else you got going on over there? A bunch of stuff. That's why Cole said to me, he goes, you're not wearing your mask anymore. And I was like unvaccinated and the chances that I get COVID vaccinated with three other autoimmune diseases. I was like, I don't believe in God, but like, he's not doing that.

Scott Benner 32:53
You think you think that you've had your share of tough luck? And yeah, nothing else could happen. Yeah, you know, that's not how COVID works, right?

Arden Benner 33:00
No, I'm aware of, I'm not an idiot, but I am vaccinated. Okay, you should all get vaccinated. So

Scott Benner 33:05
you're vaccinated. And you have

Arden Benner 33:08
one of the celebrities that they like pay to like be vaccinated. I don't think they pay them. Most definitely pay those people.

Scott Benner 33:17
See what else you have hypothyroidism? Yeah. And what else? He said three things.

Arden Benner 33:23
Yeah, I do some I don't even know I have something else. And I don't know what it is. Oh, iron deficiency, iron.

Scott Benner 33:29
Well, no, but we think that's not that. I don't even know what's wrong with me. Right?

Unknown Speaker 33:34
Yeah, it's cuz it's so hard to keep up with a lot of blood comes out of me.

Scott Benner 33:41
So I think what we've, what we've kind of landed on for you is that your iron was getting very low. Because your your period was really

Unknown Speaker 33:51
why are you giggling? It's because I say

Scott Benner 33:53
Ardennes period a lot. I've never said it in front of you before. If you have not while someone else was

Unknown Speaker 33:59
recording to us right now. Alright, so fine. Let's feature them. Okay.

Scott Benner 34:03
So you're, you're sort of, I guess people will know this anyway. But you were bleeding for like a really long time every month. Yeah, I still believe but but. But not for 11 or 12 days at a time anymore. No.

Arden Benner 34:17
Yeah, I forgot to take birth control, by the way.

Scott Benner 34:20
You forgot it today. Yeah. Oh, today. Yeah. Oops, whatever. So Arden's taking like a low dose of birth control now, which regulated our periods and allowed your iron to come back up.

Arden Benner 34:31
This is time for all the men to just skip the portion like oh my god, no,

Scott Benner 34:35
it's important because because iron issues with people with type one are kind of common, as are like thyroid, celiac stuff like that. So

Arden Benner 34:45
yeah, I know, like 100 people who have iron deficiency, do you really live has it? Okay. Yeah. I'm just told that if you stand up and you're like seeing whatever, you have iron deficiency, and that's like half of my grade apparently.

Scott Benner 34:59
So how After your grade stands up and gets woozy are there drug addicts? I don't really. I'm not sure if they could be drug. So either this generation are doing you think either their iron is low where they're on the smack Is that right? Okay. Yeah, whatever floats their boat is heroin big in the high schools? I actually don't know. It's good. Don't do any drugs.

Arden Benner 35:20
I don't do any drugs. I'm drug free other than whatever have insulin I take and all that super interesting.

Scott Benner 35:27
Do you know what your your insulin is called? No, I don't know. But you have to

Arden Benner 35:32
know cuz you switch it on me and then you try to mess with my head. But

Scott Benner 35:35
the one so we tried fiasco. Yeah, I hate that you don't like because it burns? Yeah, but it works really? Well.

Unknown Speaker 35:41
I disagree. Okay. What's the other one called? I don't know. Pick your best guess. I don't

Scott Benner 35:48
know. I'll tell you. It begins with an a dad. I don't know. You really don't know the brand name. I have no idea what it's called. Alright. So your insolence called a pietra?

Arden Benner 35:59
I also wasn't aware that it was an omni pod until like two years ago, I thought was ami

Scott Benner 36:05
he thought it was ami pod? Yeah.

Arden Benner 36:08
I don't care. Like I'm not looking at the logo on it like this the last thing? Yeah. So apparently, I've been telling everyone I'm wearing the wrong thing. But

Scott Benner 36:16
whenever you didn't know there was an end in it.

Arden Benner 36:18
No, I know. I was Oh, am I? I don't even know what Omni means. I think it means one. Yeah, well, they don't teach us at school. So.

Scott Benner 36:30
Okay. Do you know what version of the Dexcom you're using? Nope. Come on. I don't know. I literally have no idea. G and then a number. Okay, great. Doesn't matter. Yes. No, just pick a number. No. I'm gonna see I don't want to be part of this. Whatever game we're playing, I'm it's not a game. I'm interesting. I'm trying to find out what you what you know, and what you don't know. So you have a Dexcom

Unknown Speaker 36:56
don't seem to know anything.

Scott Benner 36:57
You know more than you think. So you have a Dexcom g six. Okay, great. Yeah, he's an omni pod. Omni Omni pod. Right?

Arden Benner 37:06
So I didn't I heard you say at once. And I was like, What the hell is he saying?

Scott Benner 37:11
Oh, you thought I was saying

Arden Benner 37:12
I thought you were saying it wrong. Because you say a lot of things wrong. But like, like water is water apparently.

Unknown Speaker 37:19
Where do you say water? Water? Water? No. Say to go? Water. Water? No. All right, I'm gonna try to copy it this time. Grab Water, water. I do it play sounds. Okay. It sounds wrong when I do it. Everything sounds wrong.

Scott Benner 37:34
Okay. Omnipod and sompom? Dexcom. g six. All right. The the glucagon is called the G vo hypo pan

Arden Benner 37:42
i would i i'm looking at the time I think we talked about that, like 20 something minutes ago. I have no recollection of that. Okay,

Scott Benner 37:49
this is good for people to know. Alright. I don't know what your meter that's called. You know what your meter is called? The meter? It's called the meter? Yeah. Okay.

Arden Benner 37:58
It's not called anything. It's called hand me that. And if I need someone who doesn't know what it is, we'll be like kameena. Like the longer black thing like this and like, no.

Scott Benner 38:09
So that meter is super accurate. It's the best one you've ever had. But you don't know that. That's fine. I'm not judging you. I'm asking questions. Alright, let's think of all the other stuff that you don't know. All right. Tell people more stuff. Could you give yourself an injection with a needle if you had to?

Arden Benner 38:27
I could write I will. I choose not to?

Scott Benner 38:30
Yeah, you don't want to? Okay. You're okay. You know how to put your army pod on? No problem. Yeah, yeah. And you can put a Dexcom on.

Arden Benner 38:40
I'm not flexible like that. I don't know if I can turn

Scott Benner 38:43
because of where you put yours. Yeah, but if you put it somewhere where you could see you would have no trouble diet. Yeah, maybe? Who knows? Yeah. You put one on me, right. Did I don't like kitchen? Yeah. You know,

Arden Benner 38:54
I don't know. Like, I literally when that stuff happens, I erase it from my memory. And then I'm off and I go watch television.

Scott Benner 39:00
Okay, so is. So being clear. Like I'm trying to find a is is the are the things you do around diabetes? More like wiping your butt? Like, I have no idea what that means? Like it stuff you do during the day, but you don't think about it or retain it. No, I think about it when I went my ass. No, I don't mean like you're just stabbing around hoping to get to the last part. I'm just saying like later if I said to you, Hey, did you wipe your butt today? You go I don't know. Right? I wouldn't know. I'd say yeah, I think I went my ass. So do you know that your pods getting low on insulin right now?

Arden Benner 39:38
Yeah, I do know that. Okay, why do you know? Because it popped up on the thing like it was off insulin. Okay, and what I did nothing. Okay.

Scott Benner 39:51
Do you know how long a Dexcom lasts for

Arden Benner 39:53
a week? I think 10 days. Oh, yeah. Well, close enough. Whatever. who's counting?

Scott Benner 40:01
Well, I am, because that's how we know when to put the new Dexcom on.

Arden Benner 40:05
Don't just be that you like? Yeah, I guess that's how I know to put the new Dexcom on. Okay,

Scott Benner 40:10
so let's say for a minute that it's important for you to have a deeper understanding of some of this stuff. I disagree, because that's what this conversation is going to be about. So I didn't know what you were going to say today. I'd absolutely not one idea in the whole world I there. I really didn't even think about it. I didn't try to wonder I just thought I'll let you say whatever you're gonna say. I didn't know you're gonna malign all the sponsors at once. But that's fine.

Unknown Speaker 40:37
That's kind of what my line was. I mean, I did the word I don't know.

Scott Benner 40:45
I don't know what that thing in my bag is I just move it from purse the purse. I thought it was an arm. Yeah, well, thanks for saving my life. But like, that's enough. But But as you're talking, I started to really feel like just let you say whatever you're going to say, first of all, which I was always my intention, but then it might be really important for people to hear this. Because I'm now wondering how many adults out there like, I don't know what version of the Dexcom I'm using either. Scott. Like, I wonder how many people just have your feeling about it. And I don't not understand it. You don't even see diabetes is like a dire medical issue, right?

Arden Benner 41:26
Yeah. I don't I don't see a lot of stuff as a dire medical, as you know, what I saw as a medical issue most thrown up in the car. That was a medical issue that needs to get away from me.

Scott Benner 41:34
Do you want to tell people about that? That was hard. It's never been on the podcast before.

Arden Benner 41:38
It was horrible. All I know, is I was going 75 and a 25. And I still had my permit. And I was like, Oh, God, that wasn't the worst part. The worst part was that she she threw up. Right? She turned her head towards me. Like that was the way to do it. I tried to put the window down.

Scott Benner 41:58
Shouldn't like that. Nicole and I were in Seattle. Yeah. And Ma and you texted you texted me. It felt like it was like two in the morning. My time.

Arden Benner 42:08
It was 3am. And she was when she woke me up from my my perfectly nice sleep, by the way. Okay,

Scott Benner 42:14
so maybe it was more so it was 3am here. So it was more like midnight where I was. Yeah. And you texted me and you said I think I'm taking mom to the hospital.

Arden Benner 42:23
My mom texted you first. I listened. I didn't know we were going to the hospital till I was like up in the car. Okay. I didn't know it was what I thought she was messing with me. When she woke up to she woke me up and Netflix was still on the TV. So I thought I'd fall asleep for like 15 minutes or something. Okay. And then she was like, we're going to the hospital and I was like, the hell are you talking? But no, we're not. And then I looked at what time it was. And I was like, Oh, okay. All right. So then I just got my wisdom teeth out. So that was horrible. Tastes like throw up in my mouth. Like, Oh,

Scott Benner 42:55
my God. And you did not have a driver's license that No I did not. And mom was retching and paint. What was it a kidney stone? I don't know. Yeah, it was a stone of some sort. Yeah, she had a kidney stone, apparently. But she didn't know that at the time.

Arden Benner 43:08
Yeah, I thought her appendix was about to burst. That's Yeah, yeah. She's like, I'm in trouble. And I was like, yeah, it's really nice getting yelled at when you're trying to help someone wishing you? Well, I, I was told to go over the speed limit, which I did. And when we hit a bump, she was like, Oh, my God, what are you doing? And I was like, What? What? What?

Scott Benner 43:32
So I think, you listen, it's hard for people to see themselves. I've interviewed a ton of people when I'm done talking to them. And they're like, I don't think I said anything valuable. I'm thinking how do you not realize how valuable what you just said wasn't? And similarly here with you? I think that if you wake a lot of 16 year olds at the time, right, you were 16 you're 17 now Happy birthday. Yeah, a lot of 16 year olds up out of a dead sleep in the middle of the night and yell Hey, you're driving me to the hospital. And then that, but you so here's the part like you've been teasing along and we've been joking a lot and everything but I haven't been I know you. When you left for the hospital. tell people what you brought with you.

Arden Benner 44:15
Well, first, I got myself a toothbrush. That was the first thing I got. It was on toothpaste. A charger I got I don't know what I got. I was carrying a lot of stuff. I like threw a toothbrush to please charge your phone. You know other things that keep you alive and I went downstairs to pack some insulin pod blah, blah, blah, blah. Because I had no way of getting home legally. does not mean I wouldn't have driven home legally. But like, I had no way of getting home so that I brought all that

Scott Benner 44:47
so you brought all of your diabetes supplies with you? Yeah, and extra stuff in case you needed it. I think I brought insulin. Yeah, you brought pods. Yeah, you bring a Dexcom transmitter or sensor

Arden Benner 45:00
Probably I don't know. I don't know. I was home later that night asleep. So

Scott Benner 45:04
then in a panic situation in the middle of the night, you pulled yourself together and remember to take care of yourself. Yeah. Okay. And make sure you didn't have bad wisdom teeth breath.

Arden Benner 45:15
Yeah. She was still throwing up and I was like, Where's the bathroom?

Scott Benner 45:20
brush my teeth. You even brought a bag for the car for mom to throw up it right?

Arden Benner 45:23
I brought two and she dropped the first ones. Thank God, I brought a second one. Oh, my God, that would have been horrible. Because I was not gonna come I was gonna make hard clean. Get back out there. Go ahead.

Scott Benner 45:32
So you thought to bring two bags? Because she thought she might throw up? Yeah. Okay,

Arden Benner 45:38
and I don't do throw up. Right. I will not be a nurse. Oh, also, if you're under the age of 18. Just guilt trip nurses.

Unknown Speaker 45:47
So easy. How did you get mom help tell them

Arden Benner 45:51
diabetes, and I have two dogs and my dad's not here. I don't know what to do. I just only why it's so easy. And then just you know, you're fine after

Scott Benner 45:58
because they wouldn't come in and help mom right? It was Yeah, too long. Yeah. You guys should probably fix the system. I don't think the people listening are in charge of the system. One of them's gonna be a nurse if one of these people made the matrix or something. I mean, maybe. Would that be odd? You just gotta be like a billionaire. I'm coming for your song. I think there's a billionaire listening.

Arden Benner 46:24
Maybe what? Well, I don't know how you feel. Listen, at least a millionaire. A Millionaire listening to this. All right. You're the one who can follow me on Instagram, the rest of your data in your declined?

Unknown Speaker 46:35
Do you decline a lot of diabetes people who try to follow you

Arden Benner 46:38
if I don't? It's only because it says you follow my dad. If it does not say you follow my dad when it pops up. Goodbye. Now you're gone.

Scott Benner 46:47
Do you remember but you okay, but one of your very good friends. You met because of diabetes? I don't know how I met her. I thought back then you told me you thought she thought that you were me?

Arden Benner 47:03
I don't actually know. I don't remember All I know is that like I have her. I know her. I don't remember how we got in touch with each other.

Scott Benner 47:13
How long have you known each other?

Arden Benner 47:15
I can check. Okay, good. Good luck. I can check on Snapchat. I have no idea how long I've known her. I added her or she added me or something on Snapchat February 25 2017.

Scott Benner 47:30
That's like four years ago, plus maybe four and a half. But you met like it's been longer than that though. Like it's because I think you met on Instagram. You haven't had Snapchat for as long as you've had Instagram. I don't I do want to say hi to her. She's almost into this. How do you know?

Arden Benner 47:47
I'm well aware she's not listening to this. Okay. I mean, I don't actually know. But like, I know her. I don't think she knows. Just in case she's listening. Now she's not.

Scott Benner 48:01
You know, a lot of people listen to this, right? Yeah, I'm aware. Okay. wasting your time. clean the dishes. They can clean the dishes and listen to them.

Arden Benner 48:11
I don't think people are really great at multitasking. So they are not these people. I'm just kidding. I don't know most of you. But some of you gotta be bad at it. What?

Scott Benner 48:19
You just think a general portion of the population can't multitask.

Arden Benner 48:22
Yeah, for sure. Especially men. All right. No, I take it back. Women to some girls are really stupid. You should probably edit all of this out.

Scott Benner 48:32
You think I should just be about anything you say this controversial?

Arden Benner 48:34
Yeah, like a minute straight. It's just like i'm not i'm not cursing. I just, you know? Yeah. pretty blunt.

Scott Benner 48:42
So on online, you're not? There's no identification around diabetes for you. Yeah, no, it's just because you have a very uncommon first name. Probably the people can find you.

Arden Benner 48:52
which apparently I don't there's a girl who goes to a school near her girls My name so follow her.

Scott Benner 48:57
Do you know there's a girl? I think her mom listens. Who has your first name and your last name? And has diabetes. That's crazy, right?

Arden Benner 49:08
Is she younger than me? I think so. Hmm. So we copier on my hands? Trying to be like me fix you.

Scott Benner 49:16
Do you think she got diabetes on purpose? Yeah, I see what's happening here. Well know that

Arden Benner 49:21
why don't you get this juice box tattooed on you with my face on it. This? I'm coming to your house and erasing it.

Scott Benner 49:28
Well, we took your face off of it a long time ago when you ask Do you remember asking? Yeah, I don't want my face out there. Yeah. Remember the thing you said to me? No, I don't want to look like a baby on the internet. Yeah, that's very valid. I didn't think it was invalid. As soon as you told me I took care of it. Well, kind of I fast as I could.

Arden Benner 49:46
It was a drawing but you know,

Scott Benner 49:48
I moved to a draw and now it's gone. We don't use it for anything anymore. Interesting. It was a very nice picture of you when you were a baby.

Arden Benner 49:55
I bet there's a lot of nice pictures of me.

Scott Benner 49:57
Oh yeah. You're very photogenic. No. Okay, so you were not, so you're not identified online at all through that we can get even in your crack my neck once you get closer to them like

Unknown Speaker 50:11
okay, proceed, okay, you're very cranky. Yeah, that's another problem I have we found out would result in early death. It can result in early

Scott Benner 50:20
people have a sense of humor. Yeah, they do, you're gonna have to figure out that you're joking. Yeah. We did learn that your cortisol level is higher. I have no idea what that means either. Which is why you're taking magnesium now. Sure. So, you're telling me that you think that most kids have this level of understanding?

Arden Benner 50:41
I don't know what they understand what am i their mother? Well, generally, you should all understand what your kids under. I'm sure they do my job. But you

Scott Benner 50:48
so it's funny, you're coming off about the way I expected. Like I you're not surprising me at all. Which is partly why these next recordings are going to be like valuable because we are actually going to talk about how to take care of you in the coming recordings. So it'll almost be like diabetes school. That'd be fun, right?

Arden Benner 51:08
I don't know how we're gonna do another one of these. Another one. We're gonna do a few more. Okay. Actually, at least three because that'll get me up to 15 hours. So

Scott Benner 51:19
well, whether you whether you mean to or not, what you're doing is gonna help people.

Arden Benner 51:23
Yeah, I bet I have a very soothing voice. You have a soothing voice. I'm just canes very manly.

Scott Benner 51:29
You think you have a manly voice? I do have a very deep voice for a girl get closer to the microphone and try to get the I'm not getting get deep voice so wrong. It doesn't just feel like say something like with a really deep voice.

Arden Benner 51:40
Know what? What? No, I don't want to be the next internet joke. Think you're gonna be an internet show one of those people that needs to know how to edit.

Scott Benner 51:51
What is your favorite social media app? You don't really care. You

Arden Benner 51:58
know? I'm okay. If you told me I had to delete all social media right now. Never use it again. I'd be like, okay, that's whatever. That's fine.

Scott Benner 52:05
Do you have friends that couldn't do that? They couldn't do that. Um, do you think they'd all be okay, well, I

Arden Benner 52:13
think that I'll be fine. Without it. I think you would be bored. I'm on board with it.

Scott Benner 52:22
Yeah. Were you bored before COVID? Or has?

Arden Benner 52:26
Yeah, life is very boring in New Jersey. I see why it's a joke in movies to live here.

Scott Benner 52:33
What do you what would you like to be doing? I'd like to be in the city. Doing why making money. Oh, you want to be an adult? You want to get a job? Oh, yeah. Let's get out of here. Get going? Yeah. What are you gonna do with your money?

Arden Benner 52:46
I think I'm just too intelligent for this town. You think so? too bright for the people here? Oh, my God, especially people who drive here at the speed limit is 40 don't go 30. Like, come on. You live in Jersey.

Scott Benner 52:57
You don't think that that people basically drive the same everywhere? No, I do. Know. I think it's some places.

Arden Benner 53:06
I had to merge today. And I was like, Oh, God. But you were in New Jersey. Right? Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It was like, everyone's like a maniac. Wait, have

Scott Benner 53:14
you not merged before?

Arden Benner 53:16
No, I have. But every time I emerge, I think, Okay. I saw something online. That was like a lot of people were like, when I'm married. I just close my eyes, which is, you know, probably you probably shouldn't have your license. But I mean, I feel that way. But I don't close my eyes. You said you went to Wild Wings.

Scott Benner 53:31
Yeah, you go to the one out on Route one. Yeah. Oh, that is kind of dangerous.

Arden Benner 53:36
Yeah, yeah. I did that. Yeah. I'm very special driver. You're special driver. Yeah.

Scott Benner 53:43
We should get a sticker that says that. Okay, well, then I'll get bullied at school. That's how you get bullied at school. Everyone.

Unknown Speaker 53:51
tell people you're a special driver. Don't be like, hey, especially if you can't park your car. My God. Imagine that and they'll be all over you. Yeah. All right. Okay, here's another question for me. Yeah, I

Scott Benner 54:02
think we're doing pretty well. Next year. Any questions for me? Nope. So that's what I wanted to tell you. Someone on line said, I'd like to hear art and ask Scott questions. And I said, I don't think Arden thinks about me enough to have a question to ask

Arden Benner 54:19
us. What's for dinner? And I but the answer is I haven't thought about it yet. Or mashed potatoes and chicken. Which I don't want by the way. Yeah, you're not gonna get that.

Scott Benner 54:28
No, you tell people that you had like a weird thing for a while where you couldn't eat meat. That I don't think they care about that. I think people care about that a lot.

Arden Benner 54:35
I made hotdogs yesterday. I was like, Oh, that's horrible. So you're still like sent me to? I couldn't do

Scott Benner 54:41
it. You're still having a weird aversion to some meat. Yeah. We had to get you some low rent Chinese food the other day? Because

Arden Benner 54:47
because it didn't actually tastes like chicken.

Scott Benner 54:53
Like I can eat this chicken because it doesn't taste like chicken. But that just started happening a couple months ago, right?

Arden Benner 54:59
Yeah. Yeah, I've lost like, a couple pounds because of that.

Scott Benner 55:03
You just can't you have no taste for me, right?

Arden Benner 55:05
Yeah, it's horrible. Just taste like disgusting.

Scott Benner 55:08
And at the beginning of this, you weren't hungry at all for a little while.

Arden Benner 55:11
Yeah, right. I'm still really don't get that hungry. You're not getting that hungry. Yeah, like when I went to eat today, I was like, I don't really like if you told me like, you can eat but you don't know. I just probably wouldn't eat. But I mean, probably good. You know?

Scott Benner 55:26
You don't want to starve. Well, some carrots. So there's really a great thing that you wouldn't know, right? If you weren't using if you weren't using an algorithm end or if we didn't really know how to handle insulin. You couldn't go for long stretches of time like that without eating. You would have you have ended up having to eat so there have been times you've gotten up in the morning that I'm not hungry, and you haven't eaten till like two or three in the afternoon. Yeah, intermittent fasting, everyone, it is intermittent fasting. I lose a couple of pounds, but not on purpose. Really? Yeah, no, that's all. But you understand that keeping your blood sugar stable without eating is something that a lot of people aren't able to do. Right. All right. I don't know. I don't think about that. You don't know that? Yeah, no, I know. That's interesting. So you have if you asked me to step back and and see this from a third party perspective,

Arden Benner 56:18
I'm not asking you to do that. But go ahead.

Scott Benner 56:21
wasn't talking about you specifically, it was sort of like the Royal way. Like, let's say now I was moving the conversation. Okay, perceive that. You have to cut me off that if you're

Arden Benner 56:30
cutting you off. I tell conversation works is it? That's what you told me? It is when we had a fight? Yeah. We have to go back and forth. Yeah. Cuz I was like, let me finish my sentence. And he was like, that's not how compensation works. Yeah, you guys should be here. That's fun. She's not always sweet. Oh, I don't think I'm I don't think oh, yeah, but here's a secret. I'm going to give all the secrets out about you. I'm not gonna ask you a question. I'm gonna tell them the truth. After he gets off the phone with all of you and answers us, He's so nice to all you and gives you all the information you need or whatever. I'll ask the same exact question. He's like, Are you serious? You'll know that you do. Pre-Bolus Oh, my God. So.

Scott Benner 57:09
Okay, so I don't talk to you like that. For the last 15 minutes, you've laid out that you don't really know what you're doing anyway.

Arden Benner 57:18
If I know sometimes, Okay, listen, I'm a child, if I forget to Pre-Bolus or let's, let's make it even better. If there's a bag of chips in front of me. I'm gonna eat them. Okay. So don't yell at me.

Do you think you get all that? Yeah, you don't think I'm just like are you get upset when they call you in? Pre-Bolus? Oh my god. I'm like a diabetic. God has never said that. Nor have I ever thought that you should start calling yourself that. I call myself lady Jesus at school.

Scott Benner 57:44
I should start calling myself out because you call yourself lady Jesus. Do Is this catching on lady Jesus? No, no one says we should get that sticker for the car. Lady Jesus. Yeah,

Arden Benner 57:56
if they Oh my god, imagine if they love this color in our parking spots at school. My will just say reserved for lady Jesus.

Scott Benner 58:03
I don't think they're gonna let you do that. I know. But they should. Anyway, that the Pre-Bolus thing is really, really important. Okay, so that's when we talk in future episodes. That's what we're going to talk about. Oh, that seems so boring. I know. But we're going to do

Arden Benner 58:20
I don't know how the talk like you're not gonna. It's gonna be you talking not me.

Scott Benner 58:25
Well, you could just be interactive. That's what I do. Uh huh. Well, you could also I'll think of questions while we're talking and you'll answer them.

Arden Benner 58:35
Why don't you have any questions written down? It seems like you're unprepared. I don't use

Scott Benner 58:39
that's not how I prepare very

Arden Benner 58:41
messy desk. desk. You

Scott Benner 58:42
have my desk is really messy. Yeah. Wow. You want to see some people's questions? What? Some people have questions? Yeah, I don't want to see them. Well, now you're talking. And you're gonna see them?

Arden Benner 58:53
No, I'm okay. We're almost out one hour, I need to seven minutes left everyone.

Scott Benner 59:01
So we're gonna ask, we'll see what people's questions were. And then we will

Arden Benner 59:05
let's go a little bit over one hour and use me to edit some of this out. Okay, I really need this community service. I really want a parking spot. Well, do

Scott Benner 59:12
you think that anything you've done right now will be of service to the community? Now that who needs to know that? So? I don't think that by the way. I think that what you've talked about for the last hour is really interesting. And I think that a lot of parents will find what you said. enlightening.

Arden Benner 59:32
I think the dumbest question you've asked me was what my favorite social media app is. Really? Yeah, that was horrible. That was a horrible question to ask me my favorite color next time.

Unknown Speaker 59:40
With nothing to do with anything that you didn't like? No, I didn't like you also didn't answer it. Why don't have a favorite favorite.

Scott Benner 59:47
What's your favorite TV show right now?

Arden Benner 59:50
You know, I'm watching Teen Wolf at the moment. And let me just it's a horrible show. I've never seen such horrible acting in my life. But Dylan O'Brien is a good looking man. So I'm gonna keep watching it. Um, and but One Tree Hill is a good show my favorite of all time. I could watch any Marvel movie religiously. Like if you guys are, you know on Family Feud and they asked that question or Jeopardy or whatever phone a friend, it's me, it's you. That's the one time you get to request me on Instagram. And then what else do I like? I'm a very dystopian lover. Like the hunger. This is a lot of bloody Dexcom.

Scott Benner 1:00:28
So I'm looking at what's going on here and I'm scrolling through the pictures that are on the Facebook page right now looking for a picture that I attached to her to her thing and there have been a couple of people who put bleeders up on there.

Arden Benner 1:00:39
Some of you need to get some better angles on their pictures.

Unknown Speaker 1:00:42
Yeah. You think you're critiquing people's photography? Yeah, that's horrible. I like babies. Aren't those kids cute? Those that post is the most part of their names. Oh, bad interviewer No, you don't know dad. They even write their twin girls their twin girls, but I

Scott Benner 1:01:09
asked that they name if they named the babies after me. No, there'll be a horrible name. They did not. But the mom the mother. So let me find where I sat it.

Arden Benner 1:01:20
I'll tell you what I think if the names. Oh, okay. I'm just kidding. I won't do that. I'm sure this will go horribly. If I say anything.

Scott Benner 1:01:27
I'm sure they're lovely names. I just don't remember. I'm scrolling. Whether you guys love this post so much. I can't find my Oh, here it is. Hannah and Nicole.

Arden Benner 1:01:43
Wait, no, it's his hand and Nicole is in pink.

Unknown Speaker 1:01:46
Yes. I don't know how to say that other name. Hadassah. Hadassah Grady.

Arden Benner 1:01:50
I like that. I like that one better. Katie. Yeah, I like that better than Hannah. Okay, I mean, no offense to Hannah or anything but like I'm more of a heavy person. I don't think she can take offense. For four minutes hold. Which one do you think it is? I think Hannah is

Scott Benner 1:02:06
well that's interesting. Wait, don't answer I'm gonna guess so one babies and pink one babies and purple. And your Oh wait, actually

Arden Benner 1:02:12
that What? I didn't even look over here. But I did now and now I know who it is. And that's what I was gonna say. Okay, Haiti looks more badass than Hannah. Thanks. So that's my picture.

Scott Benner 1:02:22
She's looking more at the camera has kind of got her hand over her face. Like Yeah, she's shy. Why are you? Yeah, don't please don't? What did their shirts say? worth? were you telling your children what they're worth? No, I don't think that's what it says. worth something worth to. I don't know. I don't know. I know. I'm gonna be honest. You don't need to tell me. I'm gonna move on with my life. Now. You don't want anybody? Okay, can we get back? Let me find the thing. That does not like good food. Something you need to learn how to cook. You're critiquing people's food. Yeah. Is that a selfie you took that's horrible that alright. I was thinking people for something. Where is this picture at? Guys post so much stuff on this board, which is very cool. But I'm having trouble finding what I'm looking for because of that. Reading. who's reading? People read your reading? What are you reading right now for school? Oh, I didn't start any of that. What are you supposed to read for school? I don't know what it's called.

Unknown Speaker 1:03:23
Do you have the book? Yes. You have a book? two books. Your two books? Yeah. ap literature.

Arden Benner 1:03:30
Let's hope that goes well. I took AP Lang I made it. I was also online the whole year. If that means anything,

Scott Benner 1:03:38
tell, listen, while I'm scrolling tell all the parents. If their kids got a good education when they were online, they

Arden Benner 1:03:45
did not. They got really good at cheating. And they're gonna go back to school and take that exam they have to take on the first day of school and an AP class. And they're gonna come home with a zero, and you're just gonna sit down and eat dinner, because everyone else got a 02 except for that one girl who's a kiss ass who didn't cheat the whole year. Like, like no one cheated that year. So you're saying a lot of people were cheating while they were on one. Yeah, everyone was cheating online. Which is very weird because when I'm in school, I do not cheat. I feel very guilty if I do that. Okay, but I had given up I was like, this is a joke, right? I was like, What? Come on? How were the teachers sent me? No, that looked just like me.

Unknown Speaker 1:04:31
Back when I was little. You have a little girl pretending to kiss the fish. Yeah, your child looks like me. Yeah, when you were little How about that? Right? That looks just like me. Thanks. So to let me look and see if we have a name. That does look like me when I was little. She does look a lot like you. Maybe but if that was hard and better,

Scott Benner 1:04:47
that'd be really weird. The other girl the other Arden better. This person didn't put her name up. But her mom's name is Megan. She's my aunt's name. She is your aunt's name.

Arden Benner 1:04:57
Maria connected. I don't know how it's spelled. Yeah, I mean We're not very connected. She does look a lot like me. Yeah. Okay, we have the same head shape. That's actually what stood out to me was her head.

Scott Benner 1:05:08
What shape is your head? I don't know. Whatever that is. You're aware that when you see your head shape on someone else, you know what your head shape? Yeah, but you're not aware she did look like Oh, no. No, no, not here. I'm agreeing with you.

Unknown Speaker 1:05:24
Look at this kid thrown up. Deuces. Yes. Sorry. pyside. Everybody. Is that a gang sign? That's peace. This is can you find this post? I know. I'm gonna have to leave because we're you know, we have a couple seconds left dad.

Scott Benner 1:05:35
Oh, you're staying till we're done. Oh, relax. Hold on.

Arden Benner 1:05:39
Oh my God. He's sitting as water. I'm

Scott Benner 1:05:41
thirsty. Let me do a search for it instead.

Arden Benner 1:05:44
Oh, you could have done that the whole entire time? I

Scott Benner 1:05:46
don't know. I'm not great with the internet.

Oh, it popped right up. That's embarrassing. Okay, guess I could have just done that. Alright, let's see if people had questions. Let me pull up all the comments.

Arden Benner 1:06:02
Let's not answer the bad questions. Okay. Don't say them out loud. Because then they'll know their questions bad.

Scott Benner 1:06:11
They're gonna think we're making hand signals each other right now, which we're not. No, I'll make a hand signal. No, you won't make people think you're speaking behind their back. That's not behind their back. I hope it's her the interviews. You

Arden Benner 1:06:24
know what I said? Heather? No, no, no. That's not gonna happen. Hold on. Oh, pay her. Yeah, I'm not getting any money for this apparently. Because it's community service. I feel like I should get paid under the counter. But whatever. It's under the table and whatever. I don't work with drugs. So I don't know

Scott Benner 1:06:47
you. But when you have a job and you're not paying taxes called under the table, not under the counter,

Arden Benner 1:06:52
whatever. Alright, anyways, Aaron, no money.

Scott Benner 1:06:55
This person wondered. Had you ever been on? Okay, this person asked. Do you know that you're practically a celebrity? Me? Yeah.

Arden Benner 1:07:03
I'm not a celebrity until I'm on the red carpet with Anne Hathaway. I'm not a celebrity.

Scott Benner 1:07:07
Why Anne Hathaway because she's in the best movie ever. Devil Wears Prada ever worse problem. Such a good movie? Yeah, great movie.

Arden Benner 1:07:15
I just feel like Anne Hathaway is like, you've made it if you're on the red carpet with her

Scott Benner 1:07:20
with her. Yeah, but but this person's point is that to the people listening to this, you that that that you may be not a celebrity? I don't think that I'm not saying you are Yeah,

Arden Benner 1:07:32
most people don't know my name in this town. So trust me, I'm not a celebrity.

Scott Benner 1:07:38
Okay, now, here's a super serious question. Do you realize the impact that you've had on the diabetes community in general and people's health?

Arden Benner 1:07:46
I don't think I've done anything. I think this is all you.

Scott Benner 1:07:49
But do you see that? His point? Is that is that without you? I don't have to figure out diabetes

Arden Benner 1:07:56
to her. Now let's have him. I'm trying to read the national woman with a middle name of Seth. Why are you assuming? I mean, there's a man and a woman in the picture. So wait, let me see what the job is. I can figure it out by that.

Unknown Speaker 1:08:12
They don't give women good jobs. They don't give women good jobs. Not in this generation.

Scott Benner 1:08:17
Manager part. Manager, this is a man. Okay, but be so wait a second, like, let's stop on this one for a second and be super serious. If? Who cares? What if you were the reason that I don't know, I made a widget. Right? We have a little, a little device that helps people something. So let's say you were born. And you had, let's make something up specific. Let's say you were born, and you had really fat fingers. So you couldn't pick your nose. And I may, what the hell and I made a little thing for you to pick your nose with. And then it turned out there were a lot of people with fat fingers that couldn't pick their nose. And we started selling them and help everybody get the boogers out of their nose. Would you be able to see that because of you? These people didn't have boogers in their nose anymore. I don't think that would be because of me. They do.

Unknown Speaker 1:09:14
Okay, well, then we have different views and they're grateful for it. Okay, yeah. All right.

Scott Benner 1:09:19
I think they're also grateful that you don't limit me from talking about you.

Arden Benner 1:09:26
I'm not his mom, I can't do anything about that. So you

Scott Benner 1:09:29
could you could say Please don't say my period. But it ends up being really important. You're

Arden Benner 1:09:34
too late, because he's already said and I didn't know so.

Scott Benner 1:09:38
But you've never come to me and said Please don't say that.

Arden Benner 1:09:41
Yeah, I don't really whatever is happening here. It's just not my world. So whatever. Right?

Scott Benner 1:09:45
I've tried to make that clear to people, but I think some people don't understand. Okay. All right. Let's scroll.

Arden Benner 1:09:55
I can tell who's older based on the words they use.

Scott Benner 1:09:58
Really? Yeah, give me Don't say me. His name give me a word that tells me somebody older.

Arden Benner 1:10:03
Well, no, I can see that. They're gonna know it's them.

Scott Benner 1:10:06
everyone listening Well, no, only the person that did okay, whoa, Ray. Ray. Yeah. Ray says you older or younger than 35? Older. Okay. Do you see any young words?

Arden Benner 1:10:19
I'm not a very fast reader. So hold on. Um, no, not yet.

Scott Benner 1:10:25
Can you verify that you are not sitting in the new chair?

Arden Benner 1:10:30
Yeah, I was I tried to sit in that he told me don't move it. So. Yeah, no, trust me. I'm not sending it.

Scott Benner 1:10:39
See, this person is interested in your perspective, which you've been very free with it. I think that's excellent. All right. Okay.

Arden Benner 1:10:48
He's not famous continue.

Scott Benner 1:10:52
Okay, so I'm not famous, and I agree with you.

Arden Benner 1:10:54
What is he thinks he's so cool, because he showed up on that one app when you look up his name. Oh, what was that? I don't know what it's called. It was like it was like a morphing app. Yeah,

Scott Benner 1:11:03
yeah. Oh, like there who? No kidding. There was an app where you could pull up famous people more for your face with them. Yeah. And I was on there as famous person. Yeah, that was stupid. Yeah. But it was also kind of scary. That my face was there. Yeah. I thought so. It took me by surprise.

Arden Benner 1:11:21
Yeah, I should be there. Apparently. I'm the good one here. I should be getting the money. Actually, technically, I do get the money. A lot of clothes.

Scott Benner 1:11:30
Yeah, we you guys support the sponsors? You are you're definitely paying for artists clothing. Yeah, for sure. So but take her question. How did you convince me? No, wait, but take this question. Okay, but take the word famous out of it.

Unknown Speaker 1:11:42
Does it have a dad everyone loves? Well, everyone doesn't love me. But how does? She just said that what she said but my new school and pass it? I can't read it feel uncomfortable?

Arden Benner 1:11:52
uncomfortable? What do you 12? Let me read it. I don't know how to answer this question. Like,

Scott Benner 1:11:59
it doesn't feel different to you that I don't really care if other people like you or not. Okay. Yeah. What's a good answer? Okay, here's Next, I think which so you would say for clarity, you've never walked around and thought, it's cool. My dad has a podcast that people

Arden Benner 1:12:12
know. I actually think it's kind of embarrassing to say it. Okay. Yeah. I don't tell people that you have a podcast if people ask what my parents job is. I tell people that mom works for a company. You don't mention me. Uh, you know, everyone kind of knows you have a podcast, right? Okay. So it doesn't come it doesn't like no one ever, you know, ask that question either.

Scott Benner 1:12:37
Okay, I'm reading sorry. Some I have to be honest, some of you the way you're right. I don't understand what you're talking about. This woman's gonna let her daughter listen. Do you think that's a mistake? What do you think that her daughter will turn to her and be like, I don't know what that glucagon is called either.

Arden Benner 1:12:56
I don't know what her daughter you're asking me questions I clearly cannot answer. You're interesting. You're from

Scott Benner 1:13:00
you're definitely from a generation that will not generalize about some things.

Arden Benner 1:13:04
I don't believe I connected my generation whatsoever. What

Scott Benner 1:13:08
generation do you connect to? Oh,

Arden Benner 1:13:09
I don't know. But not this one. Because I hate every child in this not your children. But everyone I know at my school I'm not fond of what is that?

Scott Benner 1:13:19
What bothers you about the in

Arden Benner 1:13:21
they just they worried about the dumbest things. Okay. Like, apparently, let's I'll put this out there. Apparently, no one else thought it was funny to make your Instagram account named Ashton Kutcher. Like, cooter Come on. Ashton Kutcher, Ashton Kutcher. That's hilarious, right? I have like five people save. It's funny. And everyone else was like, that's so weird. I was like, you have no personality. But then it changed back because I was like, oh, colleges, look at your social media. And I don't want to be Ashton Kutcher. So

Scott Benner 1:13:53
So in general, you're not happy that people didn't understand the actual Ashton Kutcher. Yeah,

Arden Benner 1:13:57
no one appreciated my periods.

Scott Benner 1:14:00
Well, last night, we're not going to tell people but I made a joke last night in front of your friends that only you got. And none of them. Yeah, they didn't get it. Right. This is sweet. This person says that.

Arden Benner 1:14:11
I read that one already. I'm a faster reader, apparently, because you're taking forever. I

Scott Benner 1:14:15
had read it before as well. I'm bringing it back up now. So we can speak about that.

Arden Benner 1:14:18
She calls those crazy. Yeah, do what? Matt is correct, Matt. Matt is correct. I don't think you're crazy. I just think that it's crazy that you're listening to this.

Scott Benner 1:14:28
You so you've so far as we scrolled through. Agreed mostly with Matt. Yes. That's very interesting. That's from Australia. He's got a wave.

Arden Benner 1:14:39
That's my dream accent. Okay. Yeah. You know how everyone asked if you could change one thing about your body? What would it be? Mine was not anything physical. Like, I want a different accent. I do not like, you know, being American.

Scott Benner 1:14:54
Here. Well, my point wasn't about the accent. It was that Matt's got a different sensibility about them. There's an Australian sensibility, more Matter of fact, like you, so maybe you're more Australian than you think.

Arden Benner 1:15:06
Oh, are you saying that maybe Chris Hemsworth would like me?

Scott Benner 1:15:10
Yes. Maybe Chris Hemsworth will like, Okay. All right, people looking forward to Okay, here you go. How How accurate is this one? That's a lot of reading. I imagine her to be very chill and laid back. Or you chill

Arden Benner 1:15:24
my hands. I don't know how to answer questions about myself. It's interesting, isn't it? Um, I heard it.

reading, reading, relaxing the diabetes and Scott keeps an exterior cool. Oh, he does not keep his cool. Basal. Yeah, that's, that's gonna be our next episode. Basically makes it look easy. ninja skills. Yeah, I believe I'm a ninja. You believe you're a ninja. Basically, I imagined her as a pretty cool girl. I'm with Jessica.

Unknown Speaker 1:15:52
Yeah. You believe in Jessica. Yeah. All right. I think she's younger. You think Kate is younger? Because of how she wrote?

Scott Benner 1:16:01
Oh, my God. Yeah. I don't think she's young. I think she's younger. It's interesting. Kate is the person who put your name in general hospital. Oh, really? Yeah.

Arden Benner 1:16:14
Maybe she's just like in the writing? No.

Scott Benner 1:16:17
Do you want to thank her? No. Okay. Next, okay. What about Tommy's idea? This might be really interesting. Would you answer questions

Arden Benner 1:16:35
from children? I don't think I could put up with children. No, I don't that's I've actually been told that the one job I should not have is a teacher or a nurse.

Scott Benner 1:16:45
We wouldn't bring the children on the panel. Oh, wait, what? Yeah, they would just write their questions.

Arden Benner 1:16:50
Oh, yeah. I can't just i, this can't be a live talk with children. Like, I'll be like, Listen, shut up.

Scott Benner 1:16:57
No, but if so if their kids send questions in would you answer them? But would you answer them? Like if they said, Hey,

Arden Benner 1:17:04
I don't think kids would understand what I'm saying. like little children. Wait, how old? Are we talking? I don't know. Because anyone like under the age of 12. I don't think their brains developed yet. Like where it needs to be to understand what I'm saying. So even 13 year olds, they still have braces. So I don't think do you

Scott Benner 1:17:20
think some people are going to be disappointed after hearing your talk?

Arden Benner 1:17:24
A lot of people were disappointed after they hear me talk about the rest of that even says she's using abbreviations.

Scott Benner 1:17:31
Alright, this person is just very excited. Okay, and says, Do you think she asked me if I think you're gonna roll your eyes at me while we're doing it. You didn't roll your eyes at me?

Arden Benner 1:17:39
Oh, my eyes on people. Yeah, I just tell them they're being stupid. Okay. All right. Well, I feel that these people have me all wrong. Well,

Scott Benner 1:17:50
no, yeah, they you're, you're a one dimensional person to them. Oh, no, that means that's not what I'm talking about. What do you mean? How do you not know what that means? You You love One Tree Hill. I bet you they say that all the time in that show. What do you want to tell people that you went to a One Tree Hill convention?

Arden Benner 1:18:06
We went to two of them. Thank you very much. Um, the first time I didn't get to meet Sophia Bush, because the tickets were sold out. But I met James Lafferty, James Lafferty, if your wife is listening to this because I speak Let's all talk about this for a second. Go ahead. James Lafferty decided to marry a diabetic. I'm a diabetic. So if he was looking for a diabetic why not make

Unknown Speaker 1:18:30
literally one more year till everything's legal? Oh, my God. He could have waited. Well, you didn't put it in your Instagram bio. So how would he know?

Arden Benner 1:18:36
You know, Chad Michael Murray did like my photo though. He did. Yeah. And I don't you know, I don't think he's like the famous enough type to have someone else run it for him. So I think he liked the photo. Cool. What's his wife's name? I don't like a row. I don't really know. It's I don't think she's American. I think she has some foreign name. You don't know her name? No, she's not she I know. She's type one. No, it's no, it's not Tom Michael Murray's wife. It's James Lafferty, his wife. Oh, James Lafferty. His

Scott Benner 1:19:05
wife has type she's more famous than john Michael Murray. His wife. What's What's her name?

Arden Benner 1:19:09
I don't know. Look up James. I pretty much have James Lafferty fiance they just got engaged. I know everything. Oh, speaking of Wait, we should all we should all start a club. That now I'm in with you guys if we start a club, too. Oh, yeah, that's her. Alexandra Park. could have been me anyways. If we all started club to get me on the one she held podcast with Bethany joy Lenz, Halliburton and Sophia Bush, then I'm in that you could that I'll do for no community surf service hours.

Scott Benner 1:19:43
Would you really be able to dig in and talk about that show? Oh, I know everything about that show. That's probably not good. What what? What's your second favorite show? I don't know.

Arden Benner 1:19:54
I'm a Gossip Girl fan. I like you. I can't wait for the season three to come out of you. That's something you probably should let your children watch. Okay? Yeah, I started watching that on a road trip in the car, and I realized that I probably shouldn't watch that in the car with you guys. But I didn't anyways, um what else do I like? Well, what

Scott Benner 1:20:13
shows have you turned me on to?

Arden Benner 1:20:15
New Girl? That's a good show. I'm if you don't like New Girl, I believe you don't have a sense of humor. Anybody on here who decides new girls not a good show? Stop listening. You don't deserve to listen.

Scott Benner 1:20:27
First of all, you can still listen to No, I don't think you can. But tell them what we do to mom. I don't understand what do we we have tried twice for

Arden Benner 1:20:39
three times three times. I've started out show over three times for her.

Scott Benner 1:20:43
And it's hilarious. And she never laughs Yeah. Mommy likes TV shows with like the word Chicago in it.

Arden Benner 1:20:52
Even the episode if anyone knows what I'm talking about the episode when Jess Nick and the like janitor or whatever. In the apartment, like he tries to have a threesome with them. You probably can't put this up now. I can. Okay, when that happens. It is hilarious. And they start playing that song from Matilda. She did not even crack a smile. I was like what

Unknown Speaker 1:21:14
my mom says humorous, weird. And just starts playing the drums in the air. Yeah.

Arden Benner 1:21:18
Oh my god. Come on. Yeah, anyways, that's they're, they're engaged.

Scott Benner 1:21:22
I see that. Alright, so Alexandra Park has type one diabetes. Yeah, she can come on the show. She wants to.

Arden Benner 1:21:28
I don't think she she made a book about that song. She's got she's got money.

Scott Benner 1:21:32
Let me ask the question. If that girl came on this podcast, would you co host that episode with me?

Unknown Speaker 1:21:37
No, I wouldn't do that. And you can tell her I like her husband a lot. And that actually, no, don't don't make it creepy. We want to get lunch with them or something. We don't we don't want to make it creepy. Yeah. Okay. Let's just hope she doesn't listen to this. He looks a lot older than you. Yeah, he is. He's almost 40. Now he's in his 30s. He's 35. It says, Yeah,

Unknown Speaker 1:21:58
I can tell. You can tell. Yeah, he's he's in his 30s. All right. Well,

Scott Benner 1:22:02
maybe this will get back to him. That'd be crazy, wouldn't it? Yeah. Okay, wait, here's something interesting. I think New Girl is terrific. You introduced it to me during COVID. Yeah. When we were just like, literally trapped in our house. Yeah, it's amazing. I'm getting hot again. But you don't like to have last? Oh,

Arden Benner 1:22:21
no, I mostly because I think soccer is the worst sport to exist. And I just I can't anything that involves soccer. needs to be shut off.

Scott Benner 1:22:29
Yeah, you know,

Arden Benner 1:22:30
I cannot do soccer. If your kid play soccer, like good for them. I don't know if I can be friends with them.

Scott Benner 1:22:37
What about what about when I introduced you to pulp fiction? You didn't like that?

Arden Benner 1:22:41
No, I didn't like that. I think all those movies like Pulp Fiction Kill Bill. Wait, is that is it Kill Bill? Is what it is with the with that girl? Yeah. Okay, all of those movies. Everyone's like, Oh, it's a cinematic masterpiece. It's so slow. Which like I can appreciate to an extent. But like, you got to like, Come on. Let's go. There's too much dialogue. There's no there's like not enough dialogue or something. There's like too much nothing happening.

Scott Benner 1:23:07
So blackwidow way better than Pulp Fiction.

Arden Benner 1:23:12
Yeah, I also very big black widow fan. I really liked the movie. I would not put that top five though. top

Scott Benner 1:23:19
five in your in your mind Marvel category or even your Marvel category? Yeah, what are your top five Marvel? Oh,

Arden Benner 1:23:24
wait, we can't do this right now. This will take me a while. Why? Cuz? I don't know. I think this is so hard. I'm a very big fan of the first Avengers movie. Okay, Thor Ragnarok. Winter Soldier. endgame. I'm actually a lot of people like Infinity War better than endgame but I'm more of an endgame person. Okay, um, I really like Iron Man. Three. I think that's the best one. If you disagree. I don't know. But I think we should make it clear that Captain America is the worst of the six Avengers. You really don't like Captain him. I don't dislike him. But he's so cheesy.

Scott Benner 1:24:01
Right? And you didn't like Black Panther? Very much. No. Oh,

Unknown Speaker 1:24:04
I feel like I'm gonna get a lot. No, I don't think you would. You didn't like a lot of people. for that. I don't know why we're not liking Black Panther. Yeah, I mean, you don't hate it. No, I

Arden Benner 1:24:12
don't hate it. But I think it's overhyped for sure.

Scott Benner 1:24:14
What about the TV shows? Have they been good? so far?

Arden Benner 1:24:17
I I liked one division a lot. Loki like slowed down at some point. And they made it like too much. Like, like topless or something. I don't know. The Winter Soldier Falcon. I was really lost and what the villain was like, Yeah, what was that? Like? Like? Was she like Irish? I don't know. What was one girl with a curly hair the curly hair the like the red hair and freckles? Yeah, I don't. I don't understand what like where she come from.

Scott Benner 1:24:47
I don't know. So so far. I agree. wandavision was pretty good. This is the best one. Yeah, Falcon and Winter Soldier. That's my least favorite. I wasn't sure what was happening and Loki

Arden Benner 1:24:56
got started good and then got worse. But I think Because it's supposed to be longer the season supposed to be longer in the middle kind of slow down I think it was gonna pick back up there was a scene towards the end of the last time we should become like a you know those like nerds who do this for fun we could do this. Oh my god yeah,

Scott Benner 1:25:12
we already have microphones so at the end of Loki this isn't even diabetic related everything your diabetes, okay, whatever at the end of Loki there was a scene before they went into the house where they were outside of the whatever. I don't want to give it away for people. You know what I mean, though? Yeah,

Arden Benner 1:25:29
I don't know what they're doing. Like that guy has so many powers and they're doing nothing with him.

Scott Benner 1:25:33
I kept thinking, did they mean to edit some of this out and they forgot. Like, why is this taking so long? Yeah, it was not. It was a I didn't like it.

Arden Benner 1:25:41
I actually can't wait for Hawkeye. If you dislike Hawkeye. You just don't understand. Watch Voltron again. He was great. Yeah, yeah, he's legit. Yeah, he's got a nice bond with a black widow. Yeah, exactly. And if you Okay, this is this is this is where I stand. blackwidow is my favorite avenger of all time. But she still should have died. I think we should all he had a family. And yeah, I know she had she was family with the Avengers. And she had her bow. She didn't have a kid. So you know, she can go she's my favorite. And she can still jump off that cliff.

Scott Benner 1:26:14
Okay. You know, she's suing Disney. Yeah, I heard about that. She should. They're doing that thing where they're, they're giving

Arden Benner 1:26:21
five G's on her side. He's helping her.

Scott Benner 1:26:23
Yeah, they gave him contracts where they get pieces of the box office, and then they're releasing the show the movie online where there's no box office, so they don't get paid for that part. Yeah, yeah, they're stealing from them. I think

Arden Benner 1:26:35
that's her last movie just over the money.

Scott Benner 1:26:37
Yeah. Plus, she made that guy with a big head. Yeah. So she's gonna need money to buy hats. Yeah.

Arden Benner 1:26:41
Well, it's all just hope and pray they get divorced. And she ends up with Chris Evans. Why? Because they're meant to be hurt or something.

Scott Benner 1:26:49
You think Chris Evans and Scarlett Scarlett Johansson should be together?

Arden Benner 1:26:53
Yeah, that's something definitely went on when they were younger. You think so? Yeah.

Scott Benner 1:26:59
Interesting. You liked him in knives out? Right?

Arden Benner 1:27:02
Yeah. I think he's a good actor. I just his character. Like, I want to punch him across the face.

Scott Benner 1:27:08
You don't like Captain America is too earnest for you? Yeah. Okay.

Arden Benner 1:27:14
All right. That's actually I had to take a quiz at school. That was like your, they give you like, 30 I don't be called like 30. Less the word 30. Like, I don't know, just like things about you. They put them in order. My last one was spirituality. But my second last one was kindness.

Scott Benner 1:27:32
Kindness fell pretty far. With

Arden Benner 1:27:34
my first one. It was like I had like sarcasm like humor. bravery. I'm like, something like, I don't know, like trust, like all that was at the top. Also at the bottom was, um, was like, work like teamwork.

Scott Benner 1:27:51
So, we're gonna wrap this up. Okay. Okay. Let me ask you a question. How much of what you said today was sarcastic. I don't I'm not trying to be sarcastic. No, I don't think you're trying to do anything. I think you're being yourself.

Arden Benner 1:28:04
Yeah. So I don't know. I, I guess 100 not 100 an hour and 22 minutes of it.

Scott Benner 1:28:12
Think you think you're generally sarcastic?

Arden Benner 1:28:14
Yeah, I'm not a very. I'm a serious person. But like, emotions are my thing. I think you should deal with that. And I'll deal with mine. Okay. Yeah. Like if you're crying, it's not on my shoulder.

Scott Benner 1:28:28
That's a T shirt. If you're crying. It's not on my shoulder. Should copyright that. That's a great idea.

Arden Benner 1:28:33
Yeah, like if my friends are upset. I'm not the person to go to if someone is upset. Don't text me

Unknown Speaker 1:28:39
know. You get very like analytical about it. Yeah, just like suck it up.

Scott Benner 1:28:44
You're like this happened. And then she did this. And then that happened. that's reasonable that she's upset now. Let's get past it.

Arden Benner 1:28:49
Yeah, exactly. That's how everyone should think you

Scott Benner 1:28:51
think everyone should think like you? Yeah. Again, what your insulin pumps called?

Arden Benner 1:28:56
It doesn't it doesn't matter. You see what I mean? Doesn't matter.

Scott Benner 1:28:59
My phone will not stop beeping. Oh my god. It's the dentist office that wants to know how close hygiene experience was today. to the dentist all lievable

Arden Benner 1:29:10
close tiptoeing outside the door right now is he or him?

Scott Benner 1:29:13
You can hear him outside? Yeah. Alright, so we're gonna get back together and do this again. Oh, great. Okay, um, but we're going to talk specifically about using your insulin. Understanding the Dexcom understanding the GMO understanding the Omni pod, understanding your meter understanding all of it. Okay? Because Listen to me. Don't get distracted. Now. You're doing great. I got distracted. All right. I'm like a squirrel. I'm good. What we're gonna do is we're gonna have these talks, they might not be this long. Okay, like, we might break them up into little sections. And we're going to talk about each thing individually. And I'm going to do my best to tell you everything that I think you need to know. If you were going to just leave right now and take care of yourself. Okay,

Arden Benner 1:29:58
I could leave right now. Until care of myself.

Scott Benner 1:30:00
Do you think your agency would be in the mid fives? Whatever. Do you understand why that's important?

Arden Benner 1:30:10
Yeah, no, I yeah, that's important. Sorry. I was not thinking I was reading this. Okay. I we really need to get her on the show reading about James Lafferty. So yeah, so I just get this off the screen so you don't get confused by it. That is not a real sight that they have. They're not famous enough to be on tmz.com I, you know, don't get them on this because they're gonna hear how poorly and talking and they're not gonna like me, or they're really great people and they're gonna be like, you know what? She's right. I'm Agila celebrity. It's fun. Whatever.

Scott Benner 1:30:39
I had five minutes of fame. They're still you're like some of your favorite celebrities, though. I don't know who that woman is. Oh, you don't know who is? She's in a show. Alexandra Park. Yeah, she's in the Royals. Do whatever that is. I think that's FX. Is that even famous? That's what I'm saying. I might be more famous than her. Oh.

Arden Benner 1:31:05
Oh, she gets one of these on the side. You're not more famous.

Scott Benner 1:31:07
She's from Australia. Oh my god. Your net. See? She got it. She got him with the accent. I told you. You blew it. I told you guys all you had to do. She's been in one TV show and what appears to be a very bad shark movie. If I'm guessing 12 feet deep. What is 12 feet deep about?

Arden Benner 1:31:29
I'm guessing a shark debt. Oh, she's also in his new show.

Scott Benner 1:31:33
What's his new show?

Arden Benner 1:31:34
He made a show with another guy from One Tree Hill called everyone is doing great on Hulu. Everyone's just doing great. I think I heard a good wait. Click on it. Let's see if that's a lie.

Scott Benner 1:31:42
I believe you mean, I heard it did well,

Arden Benner 1:31:44
whatever. They don't teach me anything. Um I pray to God that the guidance counselor's don't have to listen to this. Can you

Scott Benner 1:31:53
imagine that? Like we are not giving her? We're not giving her community service for telling us that the kids at school are? What did you say earlier? Oh, that's a drag. All right. Anyway.

Arden Benner 1:32:09
You should also get Harper from Wizards of Waverly Place. She's also a diabetic.

Scott Benner 1:32:14
Yeah. What's her name?

Arden Benner 1:32:16
I'm sure a lot of these celebrities are going to be diabetic in like three years.

Scott Benner 1:32:19
I think people are just getting more diabetes. Because this is type one. Yeah, I know. But she's type one. Isn't she Alexandra? Yeah,

Arden Benner 1:32:26
she she just got she pulled out a book about it. She put out sugar. I think that's it sugar high sugar high.

Unknown Speaker 1:32:33
Have any of you read it The Unexpected Journey

Unknown Speaker 1:32:35
of an inexperienced type one does he get her on experience her? Let me see something. Check into this book for a second. Where's Amazon when you need it? burp. burp into the thing? I didn't I turned. Hey,

Scott Benner 1:32:56
she just put this book out. Yeah. Get her on. Maybe I could.

Arden Benner 1:33:02
I think I could totally do it. I can get them on

Scott Benner 1:33:05
the queue here. Come on.

Arden Benner 1:33:06
Now. That was a total lie. But I could try.

Scott Benner 1:33:10
We're gonna hit her up on Instagram.

Arden Benner 1:33:11
I feel like you could use the whole thing. Like we gave you all that money for a photo op. Just be on the podcast?

Scott Benner 1:33:17
Because you paid to take a picture with her boyfriend who's gonna be your husband?

Arden Benner 1:33:20
Yeah, exactly. Alright, so it seems pretty okay to me. Okay. Though. A lot of money for that photo up.

Scott Benner 1:33:28
The show is pretty popular in Australia. Maybe she knows that. It really is. What show my Oh, this is not a show. I guess it is no, that's not what makes this different than anything else.

Arden Benner 1:33:41
Like everything. We're doing this in a room that's painted a horrible color.

Unknown Speaker 1:33:46
On who picked it? It's mom, it's the spare bedroom color. Yeah, mom's really not good at this stuff. A color picking? Yeah.

Scott Benner 1:33:53
Okay, so. All right. I really do want to stop. I want you to tell me. No, yeah, you're gonna tell me something. Okay. So look at me in the face.

Unknown Speaker 1:34:03
Stop looking at that. I can't look at you in the face real quick. Otherwise,

Scott Benner 1:34:05
I'm gonna look at the painting. Okay, look at the painting and listen to me. Okay. What do you think the most important part of managing insulin is? Be serious. Like,

Arden Benner 1:34:18
if you're asking me questions I genuinely don't have an answer to

Scott Benner 1:34:21
okay then why do you think you'd be okay taking care of yourself? Because it's not that big of a deal. What if you eat french fries? What happens if you eat french fries?

Unknown Speaker 1:34:31
I do myself. But then what happens later? You must actually close your loop. close the loop. you close the loop. You're near your phone. Now you're closer to it. I

Scott Benner 1:34:43
can't bend right now. You're gonna make me get the phone.

Unknown Speaker 1:34:45
Yeah, don't get the phone now. You're gonna come off poorly. If you don't get the phone. Now you get the phone. Get the phone. Come on. Your Pants will match your shirt. You get the phone. My pants don't match my shirt. Yeah,

Scott Benner 1:34:55
I'm being punished

Arden Benner 1:34:56
collar crime. Get the phone. A white collar crime. That sounds horrible.

Unknown Speaker 1:35:00
No it doesn't. Yeah does sounds like a crime if I put on there colors that don't go together here they don't hurt while you were in your Outer Banks pants.

Scott Benner 1:35:12
So if I have shorts on that look like they're for the beach. They're my Outer Banks pants.

Arden Benner 1:35:18
Yeah, that's the only beach. I remember going to when I was little. You don't remember

Scott Benner 1:35:22
St. JOHN. Yeah, that's completely different. That's like an island. Oh, islands. Just the giant beach you know?

Arden Benner 1:35:28
Yeah, but it's different. The Outer Banks is not like St. JOHN. No, it's not. Yeah. That's what I did. I not what,

Scott Benner 1:35:36
but they're still both beaches. They are Okay, so what do you think the most important thing is, buddy? You're sweaty? Yeah. Probably shouldn't say that microphone. I don't really edit this. Anyone have a good deodorant brand? He needed new deodorant? Yeah, here's doesn't work.

Arden Benner 1:35:52
No, not for like natural, like smelling purposes, but like sweating purposes,

Scott Benner 1:35:57
you need an antiperspirant? Yeah. Maybe people will send in suggestions. Now, don't do that. I'm not gonna read them. Okay, so when we talk, coming up in these other these other episodes, here's what I feel like we're gonna talk about, you're ready. We're going to talk about your Basal, and how to get it right and how to change it if you need to. We're gonna talk about Pre-Bolus in your meals. We're going to talk about how different foods need different amounts of insulin. We're going to talk about how to handle fat and protein when it makes your blood sugar go up later. Okay, and we're going to talk about other things like how you can help yourself if you're in a real bad situation, I'm not gonna be in a bad situation, just in case you are, it would be nice to know how to handle it. Right?

Unknown Speaker 1:36:45
I can handle it. Well, but if you passed out right now, so you're an ICU.

Scott Benner 1:36:50
So your blood say your blood sugar is so safe. You're asking

Arden Benner 1:36:52
me question, if I pass out, I can't help myself. So it's over.

Scott Benner 1:36:56
What if you knew it was going up? What if you could look at your CGM and say to yourself, my blood sugar's falling? I can't stop it. I could do something. Now to stop myself from passing I'll drink a juice or something. Right? What if that doesn't work? So you have no context for that? Because it just doesn't happen to you. Yeah. Do you know why it doesn't happen to you? Because I have a diabetic guard next to me. No, that's not why. It's because your basil is really well set. You do a really consistently decent job of Pre-Bolus and your meals.

Arden Benner 1:37:28
I don't think we can do another one of these. I can't listen to that for another house.

Scott Benner 1:37:31
Your settings are right. And that's the stuff we're going to go through next. Okay, are you excited talking to the microphone? No, I'm not excited at all. Actually, that part you're not gonna like, Alright, but we're gonna do it anyway. Yeah. I really want to thank you for doing this with me today. Would you like to say goodbye to everybody? I would

Arden Benner 1:37:47
just like to say Haiti grows up to be like, more badass than Hannah. I called it. I believe it's Hattie. No, I think it's Haiti.

Scott Benner 1:37:54
Do you think they're calling their kid to Haiti? Yeah, I believe it's Hattie. I think it's Haiti. Why would you think it's Haiti? Ha TT right. Wasn't it is DD it was DD. Yeah, that sounds more like happy. No, it's a Haiti to me. Haiti is H a TI. It sounds like Haiti. To me. Haiti is a country you know that right? Yeah, I'm aware. Okay. Hold on. Let's see. So, I can't believe this is what we got on this is what we're talking about. Hannah Nicole. We're not arguing about how that's pronounced. Yeah, I know how it's pronounced. Hadassah grace. Is it Hadassah? Yeah, but it's Hattie. Why would someone called her kid Haiti?

Unknown Speaker 1:38:37
I think it's a cool name. Hate IE. Haiti. Yeah, that's a cool name. Well, that's not what they're calling the kid. And you should try it. You want them to change the baby's name? No, I don't like change. They just try it out. for like a week. Yeah. She's she responds to it. So I'm gonna tell you I think it's happy.

Arden Benner 1:38:54
I don't know. We're gonna have to ask Chelsea. Is that her name? Her name is Chelsea. Chelsea. Sounds like a character's name.

Scott Benner 1:39:01
I don't know that. She wants her last name. Oh. Yeah, see? All right. Well, I'll cut I bet it's fine. That's you're putting it online? That's a private Facebook group. Only the people who are members in there.

Arden Benner 1:39:16
Oh, well, then why don't they just join? Like I'm getting you more people. Now if you join you can see children.

Scott Benner 1:39:23
You get to see the babies. Yeah, it is a really good fit and we can all fight if it's Haiti or whatever. How it's clearly not Haiti. It should be heavy. I think they should try it. But you see now that it's not. I don't know. I'm still against it. What do you think we should call this episode? Hey, be rowdy. No, hey, it's gonna be called conversation with art and part one. Oh, no, that's boring. Don't do that. What should we call it? Call it a? I don't know. It's think. Do you believe that people have gotten to know you're doing this? A little bit better?

Arden Benner 1:39:59
No. I Think people who don't understand my sense of humor. Think of more real brat right now.

Scott Benner 1:40:03
You think they think you're a brat? Yeah. Yeah, I would think I would tell you that. I think you

Arden Benner 1:40:10
a lot of people think that I treat you poorly, like my parents poorly. Oh, I

Scott Benner 1:40:15
don't feel like that. Yeah.

Arden Benner 1:40:16
I don't know. Being White is completely different. That's what I've learned being white. Yeah. Because none of my friends all my friends are like foreign of some sort. Okay, and their houses are so much different.

Scott Benner 1:40:27
Okay, hold on a second. Let's go through this one at a time. So you know, you have a lot of Indian friends. Yeah. kylian. They all treat their parents differently. Oh, yeah. Yeah, they're much more like Reverend of them. Yeah. Especially Filipino. Right. Which, I don't know, which one of your friends would be would dare to be harsh against their parents? Don't you don't say their name. I know who say their background. Is that Italian? Okay. That's the that's the besides you.

Arden Benner 1:40:59
So when you she's also the closest to like, She's like, closest to like, I don't know, like, I like more Americanized.

Scott Benner 1:41:07
But then people from other countries who are more recent immigrants know, like,

Arden Benner 1:41:13
what I'm saying is I have friends, I will openly curse and come home and say what I think I do not hold back what I believe like, I will tell you what I think. And I've had friends who were like, Oh, I can never say that to my parents.

Scott Benner 1:41:27
But do you think that has anything to do with our background? And not being white? Yeah, yeah. 110%. You think of that? Yeah. It's not that mom and I are just open minded. We let you say what you want. No, wait. You can move your chair. You sticking to things? Yeah, I have a skirt on and I'm sticking. Alright. Wait, I need it. I have shorts on. I mean, it's okay. Okay, get back on the mic. So you don't think it's because mom and I like consciously raise you to say what you think

Arden Benner 1:41:55
that's part of it? Yeah. We actually actually talked about this last night with Liv and Tom. What did you guys thought about cursing? We're talking about cursing. We're saying how, like, when we were younger, like a lot of like houses would like to be like, oh, there's a baby in the house like don't curse. And I was like it was minimum really do that. Like we grew up like cursing. It's just part of life. Just do it. And then we're just talking about it. Yeah,

Scott Benner 1:42:17
yeah. So I don't so I think you want to hear something? I think seriously, I think you should be allowed to speak the way you want to speak, I think you should be able to say what you want to say. I think there have been times in your life where your opinion is not fully formed. But it doesn't mean that it's not your opinion at that moment. It is difficult as a parent sometimes to be have something thrown in your face. It's hard when you're wrong. And you say something, but I still let you have your opinion. And it's often your right or wrong. Often you're right about it. And it's difficult for me because I'm faced with the idea that I was wrong. And I think some parents don't want to hear that they're wrong. So that's where the you can't say, yeah,

Arden Benner 1:42:58
a lot of you are wrong. Well, I'm wrong a lot, right. Unless your kids just, you know, really wrong, you know, all the time unless they're going down a bad path. Yeah, you're probably right.

Scott Benner 1:43:12
So you think in general, like day to day stuff. That doesn't involve you becoming a meth dealer. Parents are not understanding what's happening with kids here. Oh, I don't know. You will not generalize. No, you're funny. Don't care won't generalize. But you do generalize. You're like I'm not generalizing about people. But white people are definitely like that. Yeah, for sure. And,

Unknown Speaker 1:43:34
like, well, I'm white, so I can definitely say that. You can say that. Well, I okay. I'm not stopping you from saying,

Arden Benner 1:43:39
let's be honest here. The worst, like group of people is white boys. Not white men, but white boys.

Scott Benner 1:43:47
Those are the worst group of people.

Arden Benner 1:43:48
They're like the most like, Oh my god, just like if you punch them in the face once I think they'd be okay. I think they just need a slap in the head.

Scott Benner 1:43:55
Do you think white boys need to be slapped in the head? Why is that? You're from a very diverse place. Like we live in a fairly diverse place.

Arden Benner 1:44:04
Yeah, a lot of white boys who live here look like they have rocks in their head. Like I think if you just slap them across the face once they might be okay,

Scott Benner 1:44:12
maybe just make the rocks into a brain. Yeah. Okay. You think that has something to do with their background? Yeah. Why would that be?

Arden Benner 1:44:21
I don't know. Maybe they just have more stupid look on their face like I don't know. Maybe they're more unattractive? Who knows Dad?

Scott Benner 1:44:28
Do you think that other backgrounds have it more together? Yeah, really? Yeah. Okay, because they maybe it's because their parents then let them curse and say what they thought. I mean, maybe you know what? I don't know. I know. You don't know. I don't know how you start talking about this. Oh, no. Do I actually we were talking about we're talking about a happy Yeah. Wait, how did we get here? I don't know someone comment down below. I'm just kidding. This isn't YouTube. Is it? Yes, it's not YouTube. Okay, that's interesting. So when should we get back together and record the other stuff? When would be good for you keeping anytime before September 2. So we're gonna need to get on the calendar and do this a bunch of times. Yeah. All right. Well, why don't we say goodbye to everybody and then we'll pick some other days. Wait, I can't do it on his birthday. You can't do it. Take that out of here. You can't say Paul's name a friend.

Arden Benner 1:45:26
But we take that out. That was a that was a joke too. So take that out. Okay, please.

Scott Benner 1:45:33
Alright, so we'll um, we'll pick um,

Arden Benner 1:45:36
I definitely can't do it when cause an eye appointment.

Scott Benner 1:45:39
God will stop very busy that day. We could do tomorrow. We get it tomorrow is not that that's his birthday. But we could do tomorrow and Sunday and then we and that we could do tomorrow and Sunday and then maybe finish up next weekend and we'd be done. just burped I did off to edit that out. Yeah. Disgusting. What do you think? We're gonna do it like that? We'll do a little more tomorrow a little more Sunday. I don't think I can do this again. Tomorrow. You can speaking for today. We're not gonna talk nearly as long.

Unknown Speaker 1:46:08
Oh, yeah. what's what's the weather like tomorrow? I think it's supposed to be on TV. Tomorrow, okay, well, I am going out tomorrow with mom. Okay, well, we only need an hour

Arden Benner 1:46:18
Yeah. If any of you know how to so I will pay you to do my portfolio what you

Scott Benner 1:46:24
that you want to cheat to get into college? No,

Arden Benner 1:46:26
I'm not cheating. Again. The colleges need little help. little push.

Scott Benner 1:46:29
So tell what's finished with that. That what do you want to do in college? Oh. What are you interested in?

Arden Benner 1:46:39
I don't need them to know my whole life story. Okay, that's okay. Can you hear me? Yeah. Okay. All right. This is where it gets personal. Yeah, you guys can hear all about my bloody hoo ha. But not what you're generally interested in. Yeah. I don't want you guys know anything else about my life.

Scott Benner 1:46:56
Alright, well, that will stop it right here. Thank you for doing this.

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#516 How We Eat: Intermittent Fasting

Author and podcaster Gin Stephens explains Intermittent Fasting.

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Scott Benner 0:00
Hello friends, and welcome to Episode 516 of the Juicebox Podcast.

On this episode of the podcast I'm joined by fellow podcaster and author Gin Stephens. Jen is the host of intermittent fasting stories, and the intermittent fasting podcast. She's also the author of a number of intermittent fasting books. her newest one clean ish, eat mostly clean, live mainly clean and unlock your body's natural ability to self clean comes out in January of 2022. I've been looking for someone to come on for quite some time to explain intermittent fasting to me, Jen does not have type one or type two diabetes. But she is a person who is very well versed in talking about it. And I've had some interesting run ins with the fasting idea, and I wanted to understand more about it. Maybe this will help you with your life with type one. Or maybe you're the parent of a child with type one who's looking for a new way to eat one way or the other. This is the next in my series of how we episodes. While you're listening, please remember that nothing you hear on the Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice, medical or otherwise, always consult a physician before making any changes to your health care plan or becoming bold with insulin. It is incredibly difficult to compile the data needed to help people living with Type One Diabetes. That's why the T one D exchange has asked me to ask you to consider joining the T one D exchange. All you have to do is answer a simple survey that only lasts it's a number of minutes. If it took you more than 10 minutes, I'd be surprised it took me like seven when I filled it out. You need to be a US resident who has type one, or a US resident who is the caregiver or person with type one. That's all you need to be. And you go to P one d exchange.org. Ford slash juice box. When you get there, everything is 100% HIPAA compliant. It is completely completely completely anonymous. And the questions aren't that difficult. They're not deep probing personal questions. They're kind of simple overview questions. But when they get answers from enough people, that data becomes important for people with type one. I'm going to tell you a little more about it later. But please consider going to T one d exchange.org. forward slash juice box. You'll be helping people living with type one diabetes, and you'll be supporting the podcast. I'll tell you more about it later. For now, I'd like you to meet Jim.

Gin Stephens 2:50
Well, hi, I'm so glad to be here. My name is Gin Stephens and I was an elementary teacher for 28 years. So I retired from that. Just before I retired, I wrote a little book called delayed on deny about living an intermittent fasting lifestyle and ran some Facebook groups and it turned into a full time career. So I love teaching and now just manage intermittent fasting support groups, and wrote another book that came out in June of 2020 called Bad speech repeat, which was a New York Times bestseller. So I am loving my intermittent fasting lifestyle and have maintained an over right right around 80 pounds loss since I first lost the weight in 2014 to 2015. So intermittent fasting has turned into my lifestyle and my career. And I just love it. Wow,

Scott Benner 3:44
I have to say I've been looking for someone to talk about this specific subject for a while. And it took me a lot of picking around because you'll reach out to people who were like I do intermittent fasting and I have this or that you think okay, well, they must be used to talking about it. And then you reach out to them like nah, I'd rather not like cheese, how can this be your thing and you don't want to talk about it. But I am so happy to have found you. What's the name of your podcast?

Gin Stephens 4:08
Well, I actually have three podcasts. Okay, the podcast are now you're gonna think I'm crazy. Well, that's a lot of podcasts. Right?

Scott Benner 4:15
You know what, then let's go backwards first, for a second. We'll get to the internet people a listener, like right away, this guy's gonna start talking is that asking about intermittent fasting? But so I want to understand first, you're a teacher. Right? And are you a teacher who's looking to change their lifestyle and finds this thing and then opens up the support group?

Gin Stephens 4:37
Yep, that's exactly what happened. I was even like many of your listeners, I'm sure. I was a chronic dilator I mean, I started dieting in high school before I even needed the diet, right? Because my mother was a dance teacher. And so I was always obsessed with issues counting calories like out in my 11th grade year. This was back in gosh 1984 85 This is how long ago it was I took a computer programming class with words learning basic, that was the name of the programming language. And I programmed a calorie counter program. So I've always had my head and diets. But over the years, you know, as I went to college graduated from college, my weight continued to yo yo, up and down, you know, the yo yos got higher, you know, would go up more than I would go down more. And so it started to look like a big roller coaster over time. And eventually, in 2014, I found myself at 210 pounds, which was officially obese. You know, I had a doctorate and gifted and talented education, and you have a master's degree in natural sciences. And I thought, you know, I'm smart, Why can I not figure out really how to lose the weight and keep it off? And so I just always was in search of that. Thank goodness, intermittent fasting has been the answer, because I have maintained in my goal range since 2015. Even as I've gone through menopause, I'm now on the other side of that, and still maintaining, but you know, it's what I was looking for all those years. And I just didn't know it. Okay,

Scott Benner 6:02
so I have I'm just for context, how tall are you? I'm five, five. Okay, and now you weigh more like 130 ish.

Gin Stephens 6:12
Yeah, right around there. I haven't weighed myself in years, because I just go by the fit of my clothes now. Right? So you must be close to fit.

Scott Benner 6:21
Is that? Is that a freeing idea to not step on a scale?

Gin Stephens 6:24
Yes, it really, really is. Like, in context, I'm coming from the beach. I'm at the beach right now. And I've been here for two weeks, I'm going home tomorrow. And you know, I know my weight would be up. If I were weighing the scale, just because I've eaten differently. You know, it's been a week, your family, I ate out a lot. And so you know what it got to me. But all this lifetime of dieting, you know, I would get on the scale and see that the number was up intellectually, I know, well, it's because they ate differently. I didn't gain, you know, fat, all this fat over the course of two weeks at the beach. And it goes down over the next few days. But then you start having those diety thoughts, like, Oh, I better go on a diet. And what I learned with intermittent fasting is it all takes care of itself, you know, you live the lifestyle. It just all works out, like I said, so I've been maintaining my weight since 2015. You know, if my honest GPS get a little tight, then I just realized that our time to maybe tighten up those eating windows a little bit, and it all works out? Well, it's so much more freeing, and I lose that diet thought that I was so trapped in before,

Scott Benner 7:25
how much of being a teacher helps you organize a support group

Gin Stephens 7:30
100%, I'm gonna tell you the very best preparation for working with a large group of adults, as well as being an elementary school teacher, because you learn classroom management and how to deal with, with people, you know, little people are, you know, grow up to be big people, and they have the same personalities. And so, you know, my skills is managing groups of people really has helped me with running the Facebook groups. I've since left Facebook, I'm no longer there. But which is a whole different story. But it really is very helpful. And also, I realized, being an elementary teacher, it helps me write books. You know, people are like, Wow, you've written this in a way that I really understand it. And one of my friends said, Gosh, I think all books should be written by teachers. And I think, yeah, that's what we're trying to do. We're trying to deliver content to people in a way that makes sense. That's my whole background, you

Scott Benner 8:26
and I talk in pictures. And I think that's why this podcast is positive for people. Because I'm explaining how to how I use insulin for my daughter and a number of other things. And what I hear back more often from people than not is that I really understand it when you explain it. It's very easy to grasp. It's not very technical. It's in my head. Yeah, it's just your boy.

Gin Stephens 8:50
Yeah, I was had an endocrinologist. I mean, think about this. I'm an elementary teacher, I had an endocrinologist, email me and say, Wow, your explanation of I don't I don't even know what probably I was talking about insulin and the type two diabetes and fasting this of course, very different from type one diabetes, as you know, but he said, it really helped me understand in a way I'd never understood it before. I'm like, well, that's just wacky.

Scott Benner 9:16
Yeah, I just had an endo. I just recorded with an endo last week who came on to tell me that the podcast changed how they talk to their patients. Wow, is very cool. But it's it just goes to show that some people are good at delivering a message and some people aren't. And I suspected maybe the teaching part helped you? Yeah, I'm just gonna stay here for one more second before we get to the fasting thing. You said you're not on Facebook anymore. Did you create your own group off online somewhere else? It's not through Facebook.

Gin Stephens 9:42
You know, I did. I did. And it's it's small. I had gotten up to almost 500,000 group members across my combined Facebook groups. But you know, Facebook started making a lot of mistakes with their artificial intelligence. In fact, just this morning, and I haven't been on Facebook since March, I left March 29 is the day I walked away. You know, recording this, gosh, three months later, almost Well, almost to the day. But just today when I left one of my Facebook groups still active, but run by moderators, but I haven't been there just today I got a deem by Facebook me. Obviously, it's something I posted months and months ago. But they said that I posted something that went against cybersecurity. I mean, I have not been posting on Facebook, like I said, since March, that's been over three months. And today, and because I'm the quote, admin of the group that goes against group studying against the group, if we get too many of those, they shut down the group, right. And, you know, we're intermittent fasting support group. And so my fear was, in the fall, they started cracking down on health groups. And, you know, we all know, you know, the spread of quote, misinformation is something they're trying to go against, but they were shutting down, like essential oil groups and things like that, like a friend of mine had a cooking group, and it got shut down overnight while she was asleep. And she didn't know why. And she was also, you know, off of Facebook, like she had her account had been deactivated. And then her group of 10,000 had been shut down. So I started thinking, you know, I did all of my work on Facebook, and with one click, they could shut me down,

Scott Benner 11:17
right? From an algorithm.

Gin Stephens 11:19
Yeah, yeah, based on I mean, I don't what did I do months ago, or even I may put it in a post I made years ago, I,

Scott Benner 11:26
someone in my group was once reported for bullying by the algorithm. And I looked, and they were just sarcastically saying something to someone that everyone involved in the conversation completely understood.

Gin Stephens 11:36
Oh, we got a Dang. And on the group, I'm one of the moderators, and it counts more when it's a moderator and admin, that's what gets your group shut down. But one of the moderators got a ding for saying, it was it was called bullying. And she had said this to a group member, she's like, well, don't worry, once you're fat adapted, fasting gets much easier. Okay, well, the AI saw your fat that's in contact, your fat adapted? Yeah, I mean, that's a perfectly good contact. And then she appealed it, and she got like a Facebook Jail for like a week. And it counted against the group. Because she was a moderator. And we're like, wait a minute, this is crazy. So I, you know, I started feeling the threat of I could really lose everything I've built, you know, you don't have email addresses of the group numbers. So I walked away, and it feels great

Scott Benner 12:25
for you. That's excellent. So and I agree, I that my Facebook page, I mean, I don't have 500,000. But there's 13,000 people in there, I only started at maybe a year and a half ago, and much more niche group of people, obviously. But, uh, I have that thought sometimes like, what if I like, what if this just gets taken from me by an algorithm? Or by something like that it's helping all these people? How do I find them to say, I don't even know what to do. So maybe I'll have to, in the back of my mind, start figuring out what you learned. So people can have a safer place. But nevertheless, I asked you on the show, because I am probably I am not a good eater in general, meaning that if it's green, or natural, or in any way reasonably good for you, I probably never had it before or eating it under protest that when I was 12. And I, my body retains water, like I'm in the seventh month of a pregnancy. So if I, if I eat too much of anything, I can wake up in the morning, four pounds heavier. It's absolutely right. It's It's crazy. So I'm always and forever and the people know listening, I'm always in forever just like messing with one thing or another, but I never do anything specifically. And then one day I run into intermittent fasting. And I have not kept up with it for I guess reasons that have nothing to do with how well it worked. But I went to a schedule of like eating from, I guess 11 to seven maybe 11am to 7pm. And I started with like a I don't I think I might have started with like a 36 hour water fast. And I went right into intermittent and then I must have lost 15 pounds in like a week. Wow. waterway 100%. And but as I was going and then I kept moving. I started testing the theory, I started acting like a like a scientist, I was like, I'm gonna eat everything in between this gap of time. And it was stuff that I don't even normally eat stuff that I would not consider Good for you. And I couldn't gain weight. Right? And so I don't understand that. And then here's the other side of it. My daughter's had type one diabetes, and she's two she's 17. Now this podcast reaches a lot of people who use insulin and have type one and type two diabetes. When my daughter wakes up in the morning, and overnight her blood sugars are absolutely fantastic because there's no fast acting insulin in her and there's no food, that kind of stuff. And it hit me one day. Arden fasts my daughter Just not on the schedule you would think of she basically goes to bed at 10pm and doesn't really wake up and start eating till nine or 10am. She's basically a 1212 eater, right. And her blood sugars are super stable in that time and no lows, like just very stable. So I'm looking for somebody to really explain the nuts and bolts of intermittent fasting, how it works. And I think you might be the person so whatever it is, you tell people about it, I'd love it if you could tell my listeners now.

Gin Stephens 15:30
Well, you know, you've seen it in action and your daughter her blood sugar is very stable because she's not taking in any any fuel wants to sleeping. And our bodies just running right along. You know, our bodies can can be fueled by what we're taking in. you're consuming or our bodies can be fueled from within, right. So within, like, let's say your fasting, there are two places your body can get your fuel one would be glycogen stores. I mean, how basic Do I need to get into this?

Scott Benner 16:05
Like in your liver, your liver, your liver holds glycogen

Gin Stephens 16:08
up? Yeah, your liver, your liver holds glycogen, your muscles hold glycogen, right? So you know, if nothing's coming in, that's the first place your body's going to turn. And it's gonna you know, it days since to save the glycogen in your muscles for for activity, but it'll it'll dip into that liver glycogen. And it's still nothing is coming in. Oh, and by the way, that's why you may see during a fad that you may see blood sugar go up. And you might think, well, how is this possible, I haven't eaten anything was my blood sugar up? Well, that's because your liver is releasing the glycogen. And it's going in your bloodstream. So you have to be aware of that your blood sugar can go up while you're fasting because the it's coming from within your body. So once your liver gets depleted of glycogen, to a certain degree, your body's like, Alright, dude, we got to do something else, we got to get some more fuel. And that's when it starts tapping into your fat stores for fuel for fuel. Sorry, you drink some coffee, I'm drinking my black coffee right now. So you start tapping in your fat stores for fuel and your body really has a lot of fat stores on board. And it can keep you going for a long time. And it can also make ketones out of your fat stores that fuels your brain very well. This is not the same as you know, diabetic ketoacidosis, obviously, which is something you'll have to watch out for. But you you feel great. So your brain has a steady source of fuel from the the ketones that are being produced. And you know, a lot of people think that you only make ketones if you're on the keto diet, and that's not true. Fasting is very ketogenic. And so, you know, I carbs my eating window every day. But during the fast, I find myself, you know, dipping into ketosis, you know, as I get into the later part of the fast, you know, before my eating window opens. So I have great mental clarity, and great sustained energy during the day, you know, for whatever I need. So I really think our bodies are meant to be metabolically flexible like this, if you think about the standard way that we've been really told to eat for the past few decades, you know, breakfast is, quote, the most important meal of the day, and you need to eat to boost your metabolism. And all these things, we've been told that people are eating like six times a day snacks in between, we're constantly putting sources of energy into our body. And so we never have to tap into our stored fat for fuel.

Scott Benner 18:33
Right, you're just always staying on, you're always keeping the gas tank full. So you don't know

Gin Stephens 18:37
exactly, we're always in the Fed state. And so we never, we never have a chance to even you know, to dip into our fat stores. Really, and you know, we're meant to be metabolically flexible, which means we're able to, you know, change our fuel source as needed, once your body adjusts to intermittent fasting courses doesn't happen on day one. But once you adjust, your body can just do what it needs to do and you don't feel terrible.

Scott Benner 19:03
You feel great in the fasted state, your body just makes that shift naturally like it's supposed to do. It's funny, as I was doing it, it occurred to me, I've been talking about this a lot lately that because of the internet, you have to name things because if they don't have a name, you can't look for it. Right? But if if you would have eaten like this 30 years ago, what somebody would have said, like, how do you eat, you would have said, Oh, I skipped breakfast and I don't eat when the sun goes down. That might be all you'd say. Yeah, you know, and that really is what you're doing right? And you're creating this, this thing that you're describing this time where your body can kind of just say, Alright, now I'm going to work on your fat. I'm going to take the storage and then at some point, I guess you get the storage depleted down where physically you appear more of the way you're hoping to. And then you eat during the eating schedule, which puts it back in and then you stop eating during the fasting schedule and then your body He pulls it back out again. And then you're in this kind of nice back and forth

Gin Stephens 20:03
all this. Absolutely, that's what happens. And another name for intermittent fasting, that's a little more sciency time restricted eating, you know that that sounds a little bit better to some people, you know, oh, I follow time restricted eating, which means you just eat within the window of time. And you know, the cats out of the bag, a lot of people are like, I'm not gonna call intermittent fasting, you can call it whatever you want that I mean, it is called fasting, you know, in the general landscape, but time restricted eating just maybe sounds a little better to some people. But even though it's the same thing,

Scott Benner 20:32
and I gotta tell you, I don't care what it sounds like, I there's, there's a whole series inside of the podcast mind called how we eat and somebody with Type One Diabetes comes on, and talks about their eating style, so that people can see that people eat in all different ways. My theory, my theory being everyone with type ones using insulin, they just need to understand how to use it for their style. And so I just couldn't find a type one who intermittent fast. And it seemed more technical than just explaining how they did it. So that's why I asked you to come on. And I presume

Gin Stephens 21:05
Have you ever read the book mastering diabetes? Have you seen that one?

Scott Benner 21:08
I don't read as a general rule, because I'm a boy. No, because I'm very busy. And I and I have seen people on the Facebook page talk about that. But to the extent that I understand what it is, I think it's they eat like a lot of fruit and vegetables and the

Gin Stephens 21:24
type one that that that's what's what's why I brought it up their type one. And they are I don't know if they're completely vegan, but they're very plant based, low fat plant based. But they talk about, you know, why that works so well, in for type one, and also, but the intermittent fasting, so they do intermittent fasting and like that plant base,

Scott Benner 21:44
my my thought around eating is that it's sort of like my thought around everything, but you can't, there might be a perfect solution. But I don't think you can make everybody do it. So I prefer to just say, look, here are all the options. Maybe one of these fits you.

Gin Stephens 22:01
Well, we're all different when it comes to what foods work for our bodies. And science is actually telling us this more and more. You know, the whole field of personalized nutrition is popping up. They're doing a lot of really interesting research on it. A lot of it comes from our gut microbiome. And like we've found, you know, I get like, let's just say glycaemic index, you know, we've all heard of the glycemic index and glycemic response, probably your audience more than most. But it blew my mind when I realized when I finally understood that we all have individual glycaemic responses, like the way I respond to a potato might be different from the way you respond to a potato. And, you know, it, there's not a universal glycaemic response to any food.

Scott Benner 22:41
Yeah. You know, if I, if I completely cut sugar out of my life, my gi system doesn't work as well. Really, I don't need a ton of it, but I need a little bit of sugar and then the entire process start to finish goes better. That was a really I

Gin Stephens 22:58
need to eat starchy, starchy carbs, I feel better when I eat starchy carbs, you know, I tried to do keto, back in the day before intermittent fasting the whole summer of 2014. I was like, I'm gonna lose weight with keto because then I'll never have to quote diet again. I'm just gonna eat this. I'm just forever by lose any weight. And I felt awful. And I never felt satisfied. I never felt full even though I was eating so much fat, so much food. And then that was when I said, Forget it. I'm just gonna do intermittent fasting. And I'd heard about it, I knew about it. I dabbled in it, but I couldn't make it stick as a lifestyle. Then finally, in 2014, when I switched from keto to intermittent fasting, I reintroduced carbs. And I finally started losing weight. And I felt so much better. And I'm like, Hmm, I really do need to eat carbs. And you know, when I try to try to avoid them, I do not feel satisfied. So I believe that we're really are all different. goes back to what lives in your gut microbiome.

Scott Benner 23:56
Well, let me ask you this when you're not eating when you're in the fasting part of the intermittent fasting, so the intermittent is I'm intermittently eating and the fast thing is, I'm also intermittently fasting when I'm in the fasting part. What if forget, type ones for a second? Okay, type twos and people who don't have diabetes is is fasting lessening your need for insulin?

Gin Stephens 24:20
Well, it would Yes, because you're our bodies know people whose bodies produce insulin are in our bodies when we release the insulin in response to food in our blood sugar going up and so with those of us who have have a working pancreas, insulin is coming out. Like if I were to drink a diet soda right now, for example, my brain says Oh, we got something sweet coming in. That means sugar because our brains don't understand Oh no, this is made in the lab. This is artificially sweet because all throughout history, everything that came in that tasted sweet was fruit or honey or sugar or you know it was going to give us a blood sugar was going to go up. Doesn't happen with with the diet sodas. So our bodies release insulin in response with this valic phase insulin response. And so high levels of insulin are actually anti lipolytic, which means keep us from tapping into store fat. So, like if I just drink diet soda all day long and had no food coming in, I would not be tapping into my fat stores very well, because my insulin would stay up even though my foods coming in because I'm sending that food signal. You know, we don't want to send food signals to our body when we're not really eating.

Scott Benner 25:42
Interesting. Okay,

Gin Stephens 25:43
it is very interesting. I learned all of this from reading Dr. Jason funks. work. I didn't understand that before. You know, we all have been taught that oven has zero calories. It's diet, it's good for you. And when I read the obesity code, I was like, Oh, no wonder we all have all these problems. Yeah, type two diabetes is really a disease that starts with too much insulin. You were were insulin resistant, it follows you know, a pattern of insulin resistance. Insulin is too high, our body becomes more resistant. It all just breaks down over time. And leading to insulin dependent type two diabetics, you know, my dad is in that situation. But I actually read a great article. I think it was written by a nurse practitioner, I can't remember but it was when I was researching for fasciae strappy that talked about hyperinsulinemia and our fasting insulin levels. And again, this is not going to be the same thing for someone with Type One Diabetes, but for someone on the way to type two diabetes. And basically she said we're testing the wrong thing. You know, we track your a one C, and blood sugars, but really, fasted insulin starts to go up even before your a one c starts to go up. So that would be the thing to actually track your tracking unit. She said the wrong thing. If everyone knows what their fasted insulin is doing, you could actually take care of that and maybe prevent your one C from from going up prevent the the progression to type two diabetes, my mom and I'm not a doctor. So yeah, listen,

Scott Benner 27:17
people listening to this know this. They're not getting medical advice here from me. Yeah, bad for me. Yeah, don't worry. There's a big disclaimer at the beginning. So you just didn't hear it. I so my mom is 78 years old, and I'm adopted. So she's not biologically my mom. But she started about a year ago, seeing her a one seat rise, and her father had type two diabetes. And I said to her, like, we're in the middle of a pandemic. And I'm like, Mom, listen, here's what I want you to do. was like, I put her on an intermittent schedule, and a lower carb than she does maybe not more than maybe 30 carbs a day. And her a once he came. I mean, she's 78 and she wasn't being active and ra once he dropped down like a point, awesome.

Gin Stephens 28:01
Intermittent fasting does that. Also, you know, you got to make sure that during the fast you're not doing anything that would make your body think foods coming in so you avoid anything with any kind of sweetener. No matter what they tell you. They're like, Oh, no glycemic response. Well, not right now. Avoid any kind of sweetener or food flavor. Don't put lemon in your water. Don't put cucumber in your water, avoid, you know, fruity herbal teas like Apple Cinnamon delight, that kind of thing. You don't want your body to think foods coming in.

Scott Benner 28:29
Can we talk about this on another episode where a CD who's on named Jenny said that when a person who doesn't have diabetes, smells food, or even believes they're about to eat that their insulin starts to work? Yeah, to help keep your blood sugar levels true.

Gin Stephens 28:46
Yeah, it's true. It's your body sensing these food cues. And that cephalic phase insulin response, you know, your body's like, Alright, food is coming in. So you know, we don't want to worry about things we can't control. Like if you're walking through the mall and you smell Cinnabon, you don't need to freak out but

Scott Benner 29:04
I just pictured someone throwing themselves off the second floor into the planter,

Gin Stephens 29:09
where the clothes pan on their nose. You don't need to do all that right? Just you know, don't put anything in you can control what you're drinking, you can control that very easily.

Scott Benner 29:17
Yeah. So if I'm intermittent fasting, I don't even want to have tea before my my eating time starts

Gin Stephens 29:25
you can have you can have black tea, plain tea, green tea, anything that's made of actual tea,

Scott Benner 29:30
that I put sugar into it or something like that. Boom, I'm done. Yeah,

Gin Stephens 29:34
I don't want to add anything to it. So a bitter flavor profile like it's found in black coffee because I'm drinking my black coffee right now. I had to learn to love it because I used to be a heavy stevia user I would put vanilla cream stevia and cinnamon in my coffee and it was a delicious treat. My brain thought it was a delicious treat to but switching to black coffees made all the difference because the bitter flavor profile is not associated with, you know, calories are coming in. So your brain does not see that as a food cue.

Scott Benner 30:04
Does, can the schedule move about? Like, can I, I can do 10 to six one day or noon to eight, like if I'm gonna go out to dinner later like it does that work?

Gin Stephens 30:13
Absolutely. And, you know, you can, you're talking about an eight hour eating window and an eight hour eating window is a great schedule for someone who is not trying to lose weight. Someone who just wants my husband, for example, he never needed to lose weight. He's a PhD organic chemist, and he does a loose 16 eight, he eats lunch, he eats dinner, that's it. And on the weekends, sometimes you might shift a little earlier and have like a really like a brunch kind of lunch, if it's gonna be doing a lot of yard work or something. And it's flexible for him. Now, if you're a woman like me, or if you're trying to lose weight, you may need a shorter eating window, you know, five hour eating window was my weight loss sweet spot. And waiting till later in the day to open my eating window worked better for me, but it's really your your study of one, you've got to figure out what feels like a lifestyle to you. Because intermittent fasting is not something that you want to start and stop, start and stop. You know, your metabolic flexibility can be affected. If you go long stretches without doing any intermittent fasting, you'll have to go through the adjustment period again. And that's the hardest part. So you want to you want to find a lifestyle that is the right amount of fasting for what feels good to you, and allows you to meet whatever the goals are the path,

Scott Benner 31:31
that adjustment period. I am obviously it's probably different for other people, but is there an average on how many weeks until you're not you don't feel hungry, and it feels normal to you.

Gin Stephens 31:41
It really does vary from person to person. So if anyone is starting intermittent fasting, I would encourage them to read or Scott, listen to my book fast, please repeat. It's on Audible. And I actually read it to you, I have something in there called the 28 day Fast Start, and that is your adjustment period. And so that's kind of an average. Now, if you're, you know, pretty metabolically healthy, you might adjust more quickly. Or if you've dabbled in intermittent fasting before, if you're eating, you know, a low carb diet that would also help your body probably make the transition more quickly. versus if you're someone who has been battling your weight for a long time you know, your type two diabetic, you've been obese for a while, it might take your body a couple of months, and maybe 28 days is not going to be enough, you may need to tweak what you're eating as well. Over time, it's really going to be different for everybody, you need to ease in as much as you need to. But understand the goal, you know, you fast clean, which you avoiding any of those food cues, you stick to plain water, no flavors added. You can have sparkling water as long as it's unflavored black coffee, plain tea, stick to the clean fast. And then even your eating window, close reading window, do it again tomorrow. And you just really learn to listen to your body. If you ever feel shaky or nauseous during the during the adjustment period, or really anytime that that may be a sign that your blood sugar is too low now that your audience would be testing their blood sugar so they would know you know in that case, go ahead and eat Don't be a hero. Don't push them through something that your body's telling you eat and you eat.

Scott Benner 33:20
I also have a fairly big caregiver audience too. So a lot of people who don't have type one that you know our parents and you know, might need the information as well like this. This is a an interesting episode for me kind of crosses a lot of different different audience members that I don't normally do. What what are their you said the fast clean What about when you're eating?

Gin Stephens 33:50
When you're eating you know, you eat what what you how you want to eat. You know, as I already said, there's no one way of eating that works for everyone. You know, they're there for I'll use two books for example. One is mastering diabetes that I already mentioned, written by two guys are type one they eat. Like I said, it might even be vegan like that vegan, and that's what they recommend. Well, then on the on the flip side, we've got the diabetes code written by Dr. Jason Fung and he represents our he recommends that you use a high fat low carb approach. And both approaches they're like 180 from each other, but they're working for different people. But what both have in common is the fasting. You know, so that's that's a commonality between both books. You have intermittent fasting in there. And then during the eating window, you find a way that works well for you. I mean, I eat all the foods. I'm also metabolically healthy, I don't have diabetes, and I never was diagnosed with pre diabetes or anything. Although I was probably on my way at 210 pounds. I had a lot of abdominal fat. And you know, that's a big sign of metabolic syndrome. So I'm pretty sure I wasn't you know, especially Looking at my dad, I was on that path. But you know, I eat all the foods. I feel better when I eat real foods and avoid ultra processed foods, although I still eat ultra processed foods every day. Like I love crackers and chips. I just do fit them in around my whole foods instead of making them the centerpiece.

Scott Benner 35:18
Yeah, so you're not having a bag of chips? Oh, gosh, no. So what if I'm gonna go down the other side of the spectrum for a second? What if you're a person is like, I can eat on a schedule, but I'm not going to eat well? Will there be any benefit for them? If they're, like, literally at McDonald's during their eating window?

Gin Stephens 35:37
Well, you know, yes, I like to say the magic happens during the clean fast, although what you eat is important. You're gonna be, you're gonna be better, you know, we need to nourish our bodies, because that's really what makes them work well, but they did a study with rats, I believe. And so I'm just talking about at the top of my head here. I don't have the details in front of me, but they fed different groups of rats different ways. And they also did intermittent fasting with the rats and the ones who continue to eat. I think they called it the cafeteria diet. It was, you know, ultra processed foods. Those rats had health benefits from the fasting even though they they ate the junky food.

Scott Benner 36:18
I made it I go, you stumbled and you use two different colloquialisms and you blinded them. You started I said, I'm talking out of my head, which I believe is I'm talking out of my ass and talking off the top of my head put the

Gin Stephens 36:29
guy did. I'm also in the south. And we don't say we don't say bad word. I know. Of course, we're trying to women not to do that. Also, I taught school for 28 years so often and changing what I'm saying.

Scott Benner 36:44
I like I said, we don't say that you just don't say that more people can hear you.

Gin Stephens 36:47
Well, we say around our trusted people. And really, things have changed over time to almost 52. So it's hard to unlearn those habits. And again, you have to be super careful in a classroom full of kids.

Scott Benner 36:57
It was delightful. When I heard the two colloquialisms get blended together and you rolled right through it. I was like, that's so interesting. Am I not asking you anything? I should be asking you because I really don't know enough about this?

Gin Stephens 37:09
Well, you know, the one thing I guess you might want to ask is, is it different? Or I'm just gonna tell you, I'm gonna just answer it, you know, the different for you, whether you're type one or type two? And the answer is yes, obviously, you know, you're going to if you're type one, you're going to really need to possibly work with your endocrinologist. Hopefully, your endocrinologist is is knowledgeable about intermittent fasting more and more of them are. But you may need a different plan than someone who's type two, of course,

Scott Benner 37:40
right? Well, I just going off of that and telling you something you might never need to know, but might find interesting. So my daughter uses less Basal insulin overnight than she does during the day. Right? And so I'm imagining that if people want to try this with type one, they're gonna run into a similar situation, but it might not be as Stark and helpful as they think. Because there's still other things at play that when you have the pancreas where any

Gin Stephens 38:10
factors? Yeah, I mean, right. And be aware that your blood sugar might go up, you know, like after the workout, for example, if you're fasting, and you work out, you might see your blood sugar pop up, because your muscles are dumping that glycogen, you know, and so you still have to be on top of that, even though no food has come in, you do have to keep your eye on it.

Scott Benner 38:34
I just recorded a variable Episode The other day that may or may not be up by the time this goes up that discusses the difference for type ones between anaerobic exercise and aerobic exercise and what happens to your blood sugar in both situations. And when you tax your muscles lift heavy weights, you are most definitely going to see a blood sugar rise afterwards. Yeah, right. I'm even talking about growth hormone for kids. Hormones from you know, menstrual cycles. Like all this stuff is not going to be completely squelched by as far as I can tell through my daughter through a fasting schedule. But what I can tell you is that, that during my daughter's eating schedule, she eats about like every other 17 year old kid on the planet. Yeah, some days it's a salad and she looks like a dainty lady and Downton Abbey. And other days. She's like, I need nachos and cheese. And I was like, Okay, and then you end up at some like fast food place and she's dipping nachos into a giant vat of what I don't even know what it is. They say it's case. Oh, but I mean, come on. What does that even mean? But, but so she eats sort of, you know, off and on like that, but her weight is very stable. That's good. Yeah. And a lot of times her age as she gets older. No, no, I know. But but but I'm just saying that. I also know children her age that don't eat on a fasting schedule and mix stuff like that in and they don't have the amount of success. She also exercises and You know, you know she, I don't want to paint her as a babysitter. She's a, I would call her an American eater, right. But if there's a more healthy side to that she's, she's off to that side a little bit. That's gonna show snack on carrots.

Gin Stephens 40:15
Right? Oh, that's good. Yeah, getting getting in the vegetables. That's important. You know, I, I was raised, you know, during the time when we just thought if you just took a vitamin, it'd be fine. You know, who needs to eat vegetables, take your vitamins. And so I've had to learn a lot about food. I have a new book coming out, called clean ish. It's coming out on January of 2020. It's available for pre order now. But it really you know, it's I was doing research for that book. It really helped me see, oh, gosh, we need more than just that vitamin pill. You know, we need to nourish our bodies with the, you know, fruits and vegetables. And so I'm making even more of an effort than I was before I eat the rainbow. Not the Skittles, but a real rainbow Rainbow.

Scott Benner 41:02
Well, I tell people all the time that you know, you can, you can figure out how to use insulin for almost anything. But just because you know how to Bolus for Fruity Pebbles doesn't mean you should have them every day. Right? You know, right. And that eating less processed food. Also, I bring it up here a lot, Jen, I cut out oils. And it made a big difference in my life.

Gin Stephens 41:25
Oh, yeah. Those inflammatory oils? Really. I mean, I have a co host on the intermittent fasting podcast. And she's been talking about those for a long time. And I was like, Yeah, yeah, blah, blah, blah. I don't want to hear about that. But when I started really digging into the science, she was right that 70 of those seed oils that are the modern oils are just not good for us. So I picked the olive oil at home. You know, an avocado oil is also a better choice.

Scott Benner 41:55
All I have is I only use cold pressed, not processed olive oil. That's the only thing it's in the house with the exception if I want to be honest for a second, there is a small can of canola oil, which is not I found not good. But I needed to pop popcorn. And other than that it has no use in our life. I can't drink. Yeah. So and popcorn is a thing around here. So and I make it like it's 1948 in a pot with a lid, you know? Yeah, and put real butter on it. Oh, you're gonna have popcorn? I don't understand going halfway.

Gin Stephens 42:30
No butter and salt. That's delicious. But But yeah, ultra processed foods are a problem. You know, I really think if we could, if we could do cheap things for the world, everyone stopped eating ultra processed foods. And when we stopped drinking all these garbage beverages, which really actually, point one would take care of because, you know, you go to the beverage aisle of any grocery store mega Mart, Costco anywhere, be that right? There is so many of our health problems, everything. We've got artificial flavors, sweeteners. It's just It's terrible. But if we all just started eating real food,

Scott Benner 43:05
I think the health of the world would just be changed, just boom like that. So the people who listened to the show mostly probably know that a number of weeks ago, I had to go, you'll probably enjoy this as a person as a podcast. My son had to go from the east coast to the west coast. And he had to stay there for five weeks to work out. He's training for a baseball thing. And the first week he was going to be there. We didn't have lodging for him. And I was going to be with him the first week and we just couldn't set up lodging. And a listener of the show put us up in their house for a week. Which I know even probably sounds crazy to you. But I had

Gin Stephens 43:45
no it does not sound crazy to me because I've had events with my community we've on cruises, and so Yeah, no kidding. It's free. Free COVID

Scott Benner 43:54
so the reason I'm telling you this is because my son and I lived with this, this beautiful family for a week. But they don't drink anything but water. Yeah, and by the time we were there five or six days, I started looking in the mirror and thinking like I'm losing weight. Yeah, but they eat more than I do. And so I was eating on their schedule not like times a day but like they have big they have a big meal every night for dinner like kind of thing like their nights I don't eat very much and things like that. And I was like losing weight really quickly. Right so I got home and I said to my wife I was like can we make one small change? There's always Snapple in the house diet snap, I was like, Can we stop buying that? Oh,

Gin Stephens 44:35
yeah, that's that. Yep. I would absolutely not drink that. Just drink water. Really? I really think if every person whether you're fasting or not only drank plain water with no flavors added black coffee, plain tea, don't add anything to it. I think the health of the world would just blossom he amazing. Yeah.

Scott Benner 44:53
Well, so then I got a little I got a little sneaky. And I was like well let me like try to make this a little better for the people in the house and I brought in like a bubbly water, but it has a flavor in it. Yeah. And I'm not losing weight the way I did when I was at those people's houses,

Gin Stephens 45:06
I promise you stick to the stick to the unflavored. The plain like I have, you know, the lucky boy in the blue can. That's unflavored. Okay, I'll drink that. I also like sanpellegrino mineral water in a flavor added. You know, I like the bubbles. How about that?

Scott Benner 45:22
I just all occurred to me as you were talking, honestly, over the last 15 minutes. I was like, Oh, I cut out the Snapple. Yeah, didn't replace it with just pure water. How about that? Yeah.

Gin Stephens 45:32
And even you know, forget about what I talked about before with the Alec pays insulin response, you know, then the diet sweetener, or the artificial sweeteners affect our gut microbiome in a negative way. We're learning more about that. And so much of our health stems from the gut, you know, even like what your glycaemic responses, it's related to what lives in your gut. So, you know, we want to encourage a healthy population in our gut and they thrive on the real foods, and the ultra processed foods cultivate an entirely different gut microbiome, that it's going to lead you towards, you know, unhealthy outcomes. Will you see that over and over and over? Every study confirms that there's never been a study that shows that ultra processed foods lead to better health outcome. Over time, two things

Scott Benner 46:21
come to mind at once. I had a really beautiful doctor on and she talked about just thyroid stuff, because right, autoimmune things kind of travel in packs. So if you have type one, you might have a thyroid, you might have celiac, like there's other things that would pop up and they'd at least be in the family. So I add them into the show. And she was talking about gut health. And she's like, it's one of those things we can't really quantify yet the way we want to. But there's something there. And it's really important.

Gin Stephens 46:51
It really is. I'm following a researcher. His name is Dr. Tim Spector. He's out of UK, the UK and he is doing a lot of work with personalized nutrition right now. And you know, he's studied identical twins and a lot of genetic research, but he's really focused on the gut now. And it's just astonishing how important it is.

Scott Benner 47:11
Well, I don't know how much this connects. But I told you, I stopped I took all the other oils out of my life, which means now I won't eat something that's deep fried, you know, you know, that kind of stuff. But we ended up in a, you know, one of our like, kind of local bar restaurants recently. And I just stayed away from things that were fried. But then someone didn't finish their chicken wings. And I had a couple of them. And I recognize that I'm sorry if this is too much information for people, but I recognized after I ate them, I am now on a countdown to need to be near a bathroom. Because my stomach is not accustomed to the oil anymore.

Gin Stephens 47:50
That's true. I went You know, you're at the beach with my family. We went to my dad really wanted to go to a seafood buffet. And I was like, Okay, well fine. Keep the dad happy. And so we had the whole family and we went and you know everything there was fraud, pretty much and the crab legs dipping them in that fake butter. It was you know, not the kind of food I would normally eat. But you're right. The next day I was in the bathroom more than normal. Yeah, it was that food and then I was so puffy, I felt inflamed. But you know, I'm, as I talked about in my new book title, clean ish, I'm clean ish. I'm not, you know, obsessive, like gonna sit there with my family and refuse to eat because this is not what I normally eat. Or, you know, go munching just, you know, Iceberg lettuce off the salad bar. I was like, Okay, this is not what I do normally, but I'm going to, I'm going to eat this food and it'll be okay.

Scott Benner 48:39
I'm learning a lot from you. Because you and I are really similar except I didn't stick to the intermittent fasting. I I'm, I'm ish around it like I'm not your intermittent fasting ish. I'm not Yeah, I'm not eating after dark kind of things. But I am eating earlier in the day than I should be. But I was gonna say about the ish part this weekend coming up, July 4, right. And we're getting together at my mother in law's house for the first time in a long time. And I said, Well, I'm gonna bring a pizza oven. I'll make pizzas but I'm gonna make the dough from hand like like actually from scratch. I'll use double zero, like finely milled flour, which believe it or not, impacts me differently than buying like flowers that are milled the American way. I do believe that. Yeah. super interesting. And so when you come down to it with this one that being is the flour the dough is going to be nothing more than flour, salt, Eastern water, and then I will spend a little extra money to put a higher quality cheese on it. Right and and you know, a couple of toppings they'll be like mushrooms they have some might be a little sausage for somebody that's really going to be it and my body will process that pizza. No problem.

Gin Stephens 49:47
Absolutely. You're so right that I actually know my own wheat into flour on occasion and, and bake from Super scratch and it's just such a different experience that really makes a huge difference. You know when people are like a pizza is so bad for you? Well, not not if you're making it like this, right? I mean, if I ordered like a Pizza Hut pizza with Lord knows what they even put on that right? I

Scott Benner 50:10
know exactly what I'm thinking like I thinking of that pizza right now building it in my head. And I know every base ingredient that's in there and I mean down to the fact that it's only that thing that's in there, there's nothing right involved in it. And it's easier on my system.

Gin Stephens 50:25
100% it really is astonishing. So, you know, that's the thing you can eat all the foods you love. I mean, I eat potatoes all the time. But you know, when I when I make them at home, I'll cut a potato up, toss it in olive oil, throw it in the oven, roast it, and it's like Kevin frost, but you know, roasted in my oven. Yeah. And I don't feel bad. However, the first night I was at the beach when I drove here. I went over to the little beach bar because I always like to go there one time and I had a burger and fries and I felt like garbage. Yeah, there's got to be my stomach. Like why did I need these fries with me? My stomach hurt? Why did I do it?

Scott Benner 51:01
Jim, do you? Do you ever talk about that on the on your show? Do you ever think about it your personal life? Like I know everything you've said today makes 100% sense to me. I've seen it happen in my own life. Why will later today I walk past the candy dish and put a gumdrop in my mouth? Like Why? What happened to me when I was little Jen?

Gin Stephens 51:22
Because we're humans, and you know, we, we were not living the life of perfection, right? It's not easy to do that. And it doesn't feel good. And but you do start like I've gotten better at the, you know, thinking about how will I feel later if I have that? Do I really want to go through that like like I've gone through recently, and we're going through menopause. alcohol affects me more dramatically now than it used to. So you're used to every night at the beach? Definitely, I would have at least a couple glasses of wine. But I don't sleep as well when I drink alcohol. So now I'm like you're at the beach not drinking anything. Yeah. Because I want to feel I want to sleep well. And I want to wake up and feel refreshed. So you know, we just start to prioritize wanting to feel good. I feel

Scott Benner 52:06
like I'm gonna mature right when I die. And then it's gonna be late. Like, you know, like, what my wife said the other day, like, they were out shopping my wife and my daughter, and they found this little restaurant and they were like, come over. So I came, and I'm eating and I'm all the entire time eating all I can think is this isn't gonna work out. I then I couldn't sleep that night. Yeah, I was up at like four in the morning awake. And like, I still felt like I was processing my dinner that I had nine hours before that. And it just was I all I could think when I was laying there is like, you're pretty bright guy. Like, when are you going to like, stop?

Gin Stephens 52:40
Well, yeah, we can be slow learners, because, you know, food is a sensory experience. And there's so much more to it than just what you're putting in your mouth. If you're there with your family, and you have these feelings associated with it. And, you know, like, like me and that beach bar, you know, I come to the beach, the first thing I do is head over to the beach bar and have a burger. My wife will say, you know, if I didn't have the fries, I would have felt Okay, I just know that. Yeah, in the next time,

Scott Benner 53:06
I won't order the fries. So it really is about some like real like memories that just the food like relates to an obviously foods relatable to memories. It's when it's when it happens too frequently, that it ends up being unhealthy for you like my wife, say, if I'm at a movie, and there's not popcorn, I might as well not be at the movie. And I don't understand that. But obviously there's a way she grew up that that just that makes a movie for her. Yeah, again. Oh, yeah. That's interesting. It really is. I really I genuinely appreciate you doing this. But I don't want to miss anything. And like I said, I feel like a bit of a neophyte here. But do you think we covered? Did you if if somebody listened back to this? Will they understand intermittent fasting enough to understand if they wanted to know more about it?

Gin Stephens 53:50
I think so you really It's not scary. It just sounds scary. And there's there's a saying I didn't make it up. I don't even know where it originated. But your diets are easy and contemplation and hard and execution. We all know that from diets we tried before. Well, intermittent fasting is the exact opposite. It's hard and contemplation, but easy and execution. You know, you're it sounds like it's going to be so hard and you're going to you know, be starving and hangry. But once your body adjusts, it is so much easier than trying to diet all the time or eat frequent small meals. It frees up your mind to do other things. You have great sustained energy. And you're like, you know, why have I not always eaten this way? In fact, one of the things I hear from people all the time, is that, you know, this is how I used to eat when I was a teenager or when I went to college, but then everybody said you got to eat breakfast. It's the most important meal of the day. So I forced myself to eat it. So I would be quite healthy. And that's when my problems all started that a lot of people really look back to that and they're like or you know, I had a grandma and she just would sit for coffee all morning and then She had a tiny little lunch and a dinner with Grandpa and she was healthy until she died at age 95. And so, you know, everybody's got, you know, stories like that.

Scott Benner 55:09
You make me think that of something I said to my wife was like, we were healthier when we had less money. And I, yeah, and the money is about being able to afford food and end up in this context and being able to have something around always that you mean to have, like having options in your refrigerator.

Gin Stephens 55:28
Well, yeah. And we've also had been trained to fear hunger, like, you better have a snack in your purse in case you're like out shopping and you need to eat something real quick.

Scott Benner 55:36
I have to agree with what you just said before. And I'll tell you, I'm motivated to do this and stick to it better because I, after a couple of days, had to almost remind myself to start eating at noon. Right. And, and I did feel terrific. I will be honest, my back.

Gin Stephens 55:53
Start eating at noon. You know, are Would you like to lose a few pounds or you feel like you're exactly where you'd like today?

Scott Benner 55:58
Oh, you're delightful. No, I should lose a few pounds.

Gin Stephens 56:05
If you would like to lose a few pounds, and maybe you don't open your window till three. You know you have a little snack and then later a great dinner.

Scott Benner 56:14
Okay, listen, I'm up for doing something. I'm 50 gin in a couple of weeks. And I do have that underlying fear that I'm going to tip over some edge that I can't crawl back over again. Well, when is your birthday? July 12. Damn July 23. Happy birthday. My daughter's the 22nd. Okay, yeah. Awesome. Almost birthday twin. Yeah, we're so close. Close enough. Well, I let me first say I really appreciate this. And I will absolutely put links to your books in the show notes. And and when I do an intro, I'll I'll I'll do a nice, awesome buttoning

Gin Stephens 56:50
here. And I think you'll you'll enjoy clean ish. I know that you said you don't read but listen to I'll be recording the audio eventually. It'll be out at the same time. It'll be out in January as well. I just haven't recorded it yet. But you listen to parts of fast paced repeat on audio. And when clean ish comes out. It really I learned so many things. You I thought I knew a lot. But as I was researching, I learned so much more. And it really just inspired me the subtitle is eat mostly clean, live mainly clean, and unlock your body's natural ability to self clean, and you know, talk all about our toxic load and even the things we're putting on our bodies and how that affects us. We're just in a different kind of world now than you know, 100 200 years ago.

Scott Benner 57:33
Now I agree. You just said I'm gonna let you go about put on your body's meaning of like hand creams and stuff like oh, yeah, effect. Yeah.

Gin Stephens 57:39
Yeah, it all you know, goes through the skin, we know that it does, you know, because everybody's seen someone use a therapeutic patch for something or other. It's a great medication delivery system. So if if medications can be delivered through patches than what you put on your skin is delivered in the exact same way. So you know, our toxic loads are just crazy these days, and babies are born with toxins in their cord blood. Then we go down this rabbit hole forever. But it really what I learned was shocking to me, even though I thought I knew a lot. And it really inspired me to make a difference with you know, like I said, I'm clean ish, but I make changes where it wherever I can. So I can still live a life where if I want to go to the beach bar and have fries I can and still be healthy. The fasting helps with that with the clean and self cleaning that happens during the fasted state. But there's other things but fruits and vegetables help our bodies self clean to Well,

Scott Benner 58:37
I've really enjoyed this.

First, let me thank Jen for coming on the show and sharing all of her knowledge about intermittent fasting. For anyone who cares on the day this episode comes out and I don't know what the date is, you're gonna have to look at the calendar. Actually, that won't help you because if you look at it the day after it comes out. Anyway, I think it's about like the end of July 2021. I'm going to start an intermittent fasting lifestyle. I'm going to start it back up again. And I'm going to stick with it for at least 30 days. So if you're on the private Facebook group, I'll be reporting there about it. So I'm using this to hold myself accountable. The first 30 days goes well, I'll extend it

Oh, you might not know where the private Facebook group is. It's called Juicebox Podcast type one diabetes. I think there's a link in the show notes if there's not definitely you can get to it through Juicebox Podcast comm or just searching Juicebox Podcast Type One Diabetes on Facebook. Don't forget to check Jen out. She's got like she said three podcasts I said to at the beginning but I think it's three. She's got a ton of great books. They're all available on I'm on what they call the amazon.com. You can head over there and just type in her name Jin Stevens it's with a Ph. I could do it with you real quick. You people are so needy Hold on a second. I know no one asked ci g i n s t e p h e n s and then when you hit enter, it's all your keyboard. pops right up all of her books, fast feast repeat. She wasn't wrong. It's the best seller and others don't delay living in intermittent fasting lifestyle clean ish. Wow. She's prolific this Jen Stevens. Now if you go to Juicebox Podcast calm and do a little scrolling down. You'll see all of the how we eat series right there. Vegan carnivore plant based gluten free. Low Carb Bernstein fodmap keto flexitarian. Today, intermittent fasting, and there are more coming. People have all different kinds of ways they eat. And I find each and every one of them interesting. Thank you so much for listening to this episode of the Juicebox Podcast. Thank you for sharing the show with friends, doctors, thank you for sharing it with your patients patients. Thank you for sharing it with your doctors. You guys are terrific. I couldn't do this without you. All the great ratings and reviews and emails and messages. They mean the world to me. I'll be back very soon with another episode of the Juicebox Podcast.

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