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Scott Benner 0:00
We are all together again, friends for the next episode of The juicebox podcast.

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Janelle 2:42
Hi. My name is Janelle, and I'm the mom of a type one.

Scott Benner 2:45
Janelle,

Unknown Speaker 2:46
how old are you? 3939

Scott Benner 2:50
seems like a reasonable age. Let's see. They all seem like reasonable ages. Let's see. What else How old are those kids?

Janelle 2:56
So my type one, she's the baby. She's going to be 10 next month, and then I have a 14 year old and a 16 year old.

Scott Benner 3:04
Wow. And you were 39 and how old was your 10 year old when they were diagnosed? Eight, girl or boy?

Unknown Speaker 3:11
Girl, all right. Tell

Scott Benner 3:14
me about the diagnosis. How did you figure it out?

Janelle 3:17
Um, so it was a tell, you know, normal story, like everybody else, she did, go into deep Ka and that was pretty scary, although I'm pretty sure she had diabetes for a year leading leading up to diagnosis. So we got covid in January of 2022, and then about two months later, she started randomly vomiting at night, and it was like the worst vomit we had ever encountered. I mean, we have three kids, we used to vomit, and it just smelled so foul, like I don't even know how to explain it. We would like wrap up the blankets and throw them outside in the middle of the night, and then the next morning go and hose them off before we could even put them

Scott Benner 4:01
in the washer. The microphones touching your clothes. But I didn't want to stop you while you were saying that. Oh my god. I don't think that anybody's ever jumped into the podcast the way you just did. Like, damn it. Forget all the pleasantries. Worst vomit I ever spelled my entire life. I

Janelle 4:20
mean, it was so bad, I just don't even know how to describe it. We were like, What is going on? And she would vomit at one or 2am and then she would be perfectly fine and go back to sleep. And we were just like, what? Like, what's going on,

Scott Benner 4:34
you know, no indication of illness after the vomit, before, after,

Janelle 4:38
none. So that was, you know, that was the first symptom, and literally, two months after we had covid. So it went on for about two or three months, randomly, no rhyme or rhythm to it, when she would throw up, maybe once a month, maybe twice. Sadly, my at the time, my two daughters shared a room in a bunk bed, and she was on the top bunk. So my daughter in the bottom would get to vomit a lot. That was really hard.

Scott Benner 5:06
Your eight year old was randomly vomiting a couple of times every other week or so,

Janelle 5:12
um, like once or twice a month. Yeah.

Scott Benner 5:15
Okay, okay. And, and other than that, did you notice anything, even in, like, hindsight. Do you notice at that

Janelle 5:22
time? No at that time, no. But I did take her in for the vomiting, because my oldest daughter had what was called abdominal migraines that would cause her to vomit, which was like a year before, before she started her, you know, cycle. So I'm like, okay, maybe that's what's going on. But then it was, like, she's eight. My other daughter was, like, 11, you know, there's, like, a big age difference. So I did take her into the doctor and, you know, told them what was going on. And they were like, well, just track her diet. You know, maybe it could be that, we're not sure, just track her diet. So I started, you know, writing down what she was eating a little bit. And then I kind of concluded, like, Oh, she's vomiting when she has cereal that day, which we don't really buy cereal or eat cereal. The only cereal we would buy, used to buy was Cheerios, and she random. I mean, she rarely ate it. We just, she wasn't a big fan, so we rarely ate it. And I was like, Oh, she's allergic to milk. So I didn't even, you know, diabetes wasn't even on the, you know, spectrum of spots at all. It was like, Oh, she's allergic to dairy. And so we kind of went with that for a little bit. And then towards so that, you know, started in February, March, towards October, she just started getting really tired. I mean, like, just come home from school, lay on the couch, watch TV zombie. And that was not typical for her. She's like, my, you know, third child, so she's very outgoing, she's very active, and then she was just super grumpy. I mean, I couldn't I remember her coming home from school and having math homework, and one time she like, yelled at me, and she's like, I just can't remember. And I was like, What is going on with her? Like, she's having severe behavioral issues, you know? So then they started going down rabbit holes of that, trying to figure out, like, what is it the transition to third grade? Like, is it, you know, I know it's a lot more homework. Is this what's, you know, causing her to act this way?

Scott Benner 7:23
You're making me wonder how many people were burned at the stake as witches who were just going into DKA, because, you know what I mean, like that, yeah, yeah, the confusion, and then the variability in how you are, and then the malaise at all, like it just you're scared during that time, trying to figure it out, or is it not striking you like it might be a bigger issue,

Janelle 7:47
so it's not striking me again. She's my third child. We have, like, No, my kids have rarely go to the doctor. I mean, they only go if they're severely sick, and that's very rare, you know, so at the time, I'm not thinking anything severe. I do take her in for, like, her annual checkup around that time, and they did tell me she had, I guess, protein in her urine, like, pass it off as no big deal. Oh, bring her in tomorrow. She probably just didn't clean herself good enough when she wiped so I brought her in, like, the next day they retested, and they were like, Oh, it's fine again. No red flag for me, because the doctor's telling me it's fine. I don't even go home and Google it. I think everything is perfectly okay. Halloween rules around. She is severely sick. I mean, she has a double ear infection. She's just miserable. She misses Halloween. And I'm like, What is you know, again, I'm like, Why does she keep getting sick? This is where I have, like, a lot of extreme mom guilt, because I just bypassed them. Like, oh, she's a kid. She'll she'll be fine. Those

Scott Benner 8:55
things, they'll bounce back. Hey, can I say something before you move forward? Hold on to your mom guilt for a second. Yeah, because we're gonna get too far past this if I don't do this. Abdominal migraines are a type of migraine that primarily affects the stomach rather than the head. They are most common in children, especially those between ages of two and 10, but they can also occur in adults. The exact cause of abdominal migraines is not well understood, but they are believed to be related to the same factors that trigger classic migraines, such as changes in brain chemistry and genetics. Like, I thought this was, like a colloquial name for something, but it's literally is a headache that you feel in your stomach. Yes,

Janelle 9:31
I had no daughter doesn't have it anymore. It was literally just like the year leading up to her starting her cycle, and it was on a monthly basis, like in tune with her cycle. And now she's 16, and she has extremely painful and bad period. So I don't know if that was like a signal that that was gonna go that way for

Scott Benner 9:52
her. Is she been looked at for PCOS?

Janelle 9:55
No, but that's we're actually just I was just talking to her about it the other day. She bleeding into another subject. She kind of has, like, medical trauma since my youngest daughter's diagnosis, so she really doesn't want to go to the doctor. And I'm like, we need to go. You're down for two days. Like, this is not okay, you

Scott Benner 10:13
know, yeah, especially with the now you're seeing the autoimmune in the family, so PCOS is a reasonable concern. Yes, okay, I'm so sorry. Let's get back to your horrible guilt. Go ahead. Yeah. Did you know if just one person in your family has type one diabetes, you're up to 15 times more likely to get it too. So screen it like you mean it one blood test can spot type one diabetes early. Tap now, talk to a doctor or visit screened for type one.com. For more info. The contour next gen blood glucose meter is sponsoring this episode of The juicebox podcast, and it's entirely possible that it is less expensive in cash than you're paying right now for your meter through your insurance company. That's right. If you go to my link, contour next.com/juicebox you're going to find links to Walmart, Amazon, Walgreens, CVS, Rite, aid, Kroger and Meyer. You could be paying more right now through your insurance for your test strips in meter than you would pay through my link for the contour next gen and contour next test strips in cash. What am I saying? My link may be cheaper out of your pocket than you're paying right now, even with your insurance, and I don't know what meter you have right now. I can't say that, but what I can say for sure is that the contour next gen meter is accurate. It is reliable, and it is the meter that we've been using for years. Contour next.com/juice box. And if you already have a contour meter and you're buying test strips, doing so through the juicebox podcast link will help to support the show.

Janelle 11:56
So I you know Christmas passes by my daughter, actually, my older daughter returned, 15 she had a quinceanera youngest daughter, again, was just in a horrible mood, biting me. I'm not gonna wear a dress, you know, all these things. And I just was like, I'm just having so much trouble with this child. Like the mom and daughter, like, dynamic is just not going well, you know, she's just angry all the time. And then January rolls around, and I made a comment to my husband. I said, you know, she looks like she's lost a lot of weight. And I just, I don't know, I just feel like something's off. And he, like, kind of looked at her, and he was like, hey, you know? Well, she grew, she grew, she grew. She thinned out. All of our kids did that. We're tall people, so you know? He was like, she's getting taller. She thinks. I'm like, Okay. And then I even had like, a random friend that hadn't seen her in a few months saw her, and he did like a double take, and he's like, Arielle, and then he's like, wow, whoa. She's so thin and and even in that moment, I just was like, Oh yeah, she, you know, she got taller, but after diagnosis, I remember him being like, Oh, I'm so sorry. Like, I, like, was so shocked to see her, and then now, like, to know something was wrong with her, you know, like, he's like, I feel so bad. And I was like, No, it's, it's not a big deal. But so she still was throwing up, right? And she still, she would throw up, also randomly at school during lunch recess, and then they would send her home, and I would be like, well, she's fine. And they were like, well, she keeps throwing up. And I'm like, Well, I'm working with the doctor. We're tracking her food. We think she might have, you know, dominant migraines, which is not really getting anywhere. They she came home on a Monday, threw up after lunch recess, and normally, when she after she threw up, she'd, you know, be down for a few hours, and then she'd be fine. Well, she came home and she just looked like death, like I couldn't be honest, like I looked at her and I was like, You're sick. So she got in my bed. She slept in my bed that night. She threw up all night. I mean, I could not even get water down, nothing. So the next day, usually, after 24 hours, you know, they when your kids, like, have a, you know, viral or stomach bug, they start to perk up a little bit. And she didn't perk up. I mean, she was, like, sliding down a hill, like, getting worse. And I just that was, like, the major red flag, because, like, something's wrong. So I called the pediatrician, and I was like, hey, you know, I need to speak with a nurse. And they called me back, and I was like, she's been vomiting for 24 hours, like she can't even keep water down. I was like, so if anything, I know, she's 100% dehydrated. They were like, Oh, we can see her tomorrow. And I was like, Okay, make the appointment. So I made the appointment, hung up the phone, I got in the bed with her, and I was just like, No, this is no. I need to take her in. So I immediately took her to the ER, just something, I guess, like the mom in me was just like, No, she's not gonna make it till tomorrow. Like this. She's Janelle.

Scott Benner 14:56
Tell me right there. Did you think she was gonna die if you didn't take her for medical care?

Janelle 14:59
I didn't think she was gonna die, but just something was telling me that it just wasn't normal. I had three kids, and she just wasn't acting normal. She kept telling me her stomach, her whole stomach hurt. So I was thinking, like, appendicitis. But she wasn't like, oh, it's to the side. She was like, my whole stomach hurt,

Scott Benner 15:18
okay, you know, are you a big hand talker. What's happening with that microphone? Put your hands down at your sides while you're talking. Yeah, I have a question, because I heard something that I'm wondering if I got right or not. What's your background? Are you Mexican? I am not my husband. Is your husband is I heard the humble brag about the height, and I thought this could be a Mexican thing, and so was I close to right. Come on, help me.

Janelle 15:47
All my kids are super tall. It's not a humble bag. Actually hated being tall growing up. Really. How

Unknown Speaker 15:52
tall are you?

Janelle 15:54
I'm 510, 510,

Scott Benner 15:56
no kidding. Good for you. Tell me a second. Why did you not like being tall growing up?

Janelle 16:02
Um, well, I went to, I grew up in a really small town, and went to a really small school, you know, K through eight, and I was, like, the only tall kid. And so just, you know, I didn't fit in. I wasn't normal. I guess I find

Scott Benner 16:15
Tall women very attractive. I don't know why. I always feel bad when I see them, kind of like curling their shoulders over, kind of hiding their height and stuff like that. But it's just people are looking at you. Is that the issue?

Janelle 16:27
Oh, yeah. And I think just awkwardly as a teen, you know, or pre teen, you just, like, I had two best friends growing up, and they were the same height and they shared all the same clothes, and, like, I couldn't do that with them. All

Scott Benner 16:39
the stuff is different. Yeah, I see okay, all right, I'm sorry, emergency room go ahead. Yes, they

Janelle 16:46
take her into the emergency room right before I take her in, when I'm like, contemplating take her in, I start to Google all the symptoms, and I, you know, I forgot to say she was going to sleep with a water bottle leading up to this. And I just thought, yay, she's drinking more water. Like, had no clue that she was, like, so thirsty, you know, because and then she was peeing a lot excessively, too. And she kept telling me she was so I actually had first went to like, Oh, do you have a UTI? And she's like, No, because it doesn't. I was like, does it hurt when you go pee? No, no, no, you know. So I just kept finding excuses for, you know, all the symptoms. And actually, two weeks before the ER, she had bloodshot eye, really bad, and she was like, it really hurts. And I again, I look at it, and I'm like, Well, someone just had pink eye. Her teacher had just had pink eye, maybe a pink eye. So I had even, like, taken a picture of it and texted it to my friend, like, do you think this is Pink Guy? She's like, No. And again, I'm like, Oh, you'll be fine. Go to school. You don't have pink eye. You just, you'll be fine. And it, you know, it went away. But, like, those were all super strong signs that I just totally passed off. But I had no education, no like, the doctor never told me, like, oh, well, maybe she had this. So look out for, you know, her drinking a lot and urinating a lot on losing weight. Like nobody said anything. So I googled all these things right before I took her in, when I had the epiphany, like, I need to take her in. And it was like, diabetes. And I was like, huh, diabetes? What like? So I take her into the ER, and I'm like, I think she has diabetes. She lost, you know, 10 pounds in a month, and she is drinking a lot and peeing a lot, and she hasn't stopped vomiting in 24 hours. And they poked her finger, and it was like, close to 500 we were like in a little tent because they still have, like, a covid tent outside the hospital. I don't know why we're 20. It was 2023 but

Scott Benner 18:47
I'm stunned that the blood sugar was only 500 honestly, he's

Janelle 18:51
saying, but we don't. We're not like soda drinkers. We don't, you know. And she also hadn't ate anything, you know, eight or anything in 24 hours. But yeah, I'm also bedafled How it wasn't like, super high, because I hear all the diagnosis stories and, like, their blood sugars are like, 600 700 and this had been going on for literally a year. So I was, I really think, for a whole year she was honeymooning, and that saved her. They immediately Gail DKA and about like, three nurses came running. They put her in a wheelchair, they took her straight to a room. And my son has had a million injuries. We've been to the ER, for you know, sports injuries. And he I've never been attended to that fast. And it was in that moment that I knew that, like it was serious. Yeah,

Scott Benner 19:39
when they don't make you sit there for three hours and stare at the wall, yeah, oh my gosh.

Janelle 19:44
So they got her to the room, it was, is really surreal. You know, I was by myself with her. She's asking me, do I have cancer? Am I dying? And I'm like, I can't even answer the question, because I don't even know what's going on. You know, I don't even know what diabetes. These is, I, I have one recollection of diabetes, and that was, you know, growing up in a small town, and a an older girl had died in her sleep, and it just went around the school, like, yeah, she had diabetes. So, like, that's the one thing that I could cling to as she's being diagnosed. And that was super hard, because I had no like other education

Scott Benner 20:22
Janelle, I just, I just got the chills when, when she asked if she had cancer, if she was going to die, because it made me feel like for all this time, because tell people again, from the first time she threw up until that day, how long had it been, one year? Oh, sweetie. Yeah. I just kept thinking, I wonder how long your daughter was wondering how what was wrong with her, because

Janelle 20:46
she never said anything. And there was also another thing that I find really interesting. About three months before she was diagnosed, she stopped eating rice, and she loved rice again. My husband's Hispanic, so, you know, there's a lot of Mexican rice. She refused to eat rice, and I couldn't understand it. It was like, You love Rice, but I think it was making her feel so sick that her body knew it, and she refuses to eat rice to this day.

Scott Benner 21:11
Have you in hindsight, have you talked to her and asked her why she didn't maybe I can't believe I'm gonna say this like this, but why she didn't like advocate for herself a little bit.

Janelle 21:21
I think she didn't know. I honestly think she was eight. I don't think she knew why she was not feeling well, or even correlated that she wasn't feeling well. I don't think she put it together. And I think because she was honeymooning, she would, you know, have really good time, and she would feel better, and then she would feel sick again. So I just don't think she even realized it wasn't normal. And I think at some point, you know, she, I mean, her a 1c when diagnosed, she was 13.7 so I think that she was learning, had her body had learned to function on those, you know, 300 blood sugar sugars.

Scott Benner 22:00
I bring this up to maybe, to try to relieve you a little bit of this guilt, right? Because, like, it's such a human thing. We have a very short memory about stuff like this, you know what I mean, and that that's good. It's for survival reasons. You don't sit around worrying all the time if you're going to get sick again. And so if she didn't feel well, she's tough kids. She fights through it, then she feels better. It would not be common for you to sit there and think, Oh, I wonder when this is going to happen again, even when it's happening over and over again. I just find that that's kind of that hopeful nature of human beings, you know what I mean? And yeah, and so I get it, and she's young, and she doesn't know enough to put two and two together and and worry, and you had found reasons for things that you saw that seemed, you know, like they answered questions. And, you know, the, the only thing I would say is, like, the vomiting for that long,

Janelle 22:51
yeah, and it was just so sporadic, though, like, I like one time it would just be one once that month, so it wasn't, and I didn't dawn on me until about October, when i i plugged I Google searched in my text messages, like puking, and I realized, like, how much she had been puking. Because I would text my friend like, oh my god, Ariel was puking last night. We're all gonna get sick, you know, and then no one else got sick. We never, nobody else ever got sick. And I had told the doctor that, and I had taken her to the doctor, and I just, I go back to day one, you know, two months after the bottom meeting started, why did the doctor not prick her finger? Why, when she went to her routine checkup, did the doctor not they picked her finger to check her iron, but they never checked her sugars. And

Scott Benner 23:39
then, and she starts getting other infections, with the ear infections too, and everything. So I'm going to use a word here. I don't mean this word, but I'm just, I'm tired today. I can't come up with a better synonym. But if you look back on how you handled it, where'd you go wrong? What? What? Let it go like? What's the thing you you wish you could have you could take back now, is it listening to the doctor?

Janelle 24:04
No, because the doctor didn't give me any solid advice. It would have been, I think, Googling her symptoms, just not bypassing again. I feel like if she was the first child, I would have been more attuned to what was going on, but because I had, at the time, you know, 14 year old and, or, sorry, 13 and 15 year old. I'm, like, I'm a seasoned mom. Like, they're just, it's a normal like, I just found excuses for everything. So I think just really not bypassing what, like, how she was feeling, advocating more, I guess, to the doctor I in my in, like, when I look back and like, I took her to the doctor. Why didn't they do this? Why didn't they do that? You know? And I think they see so many healthy kids that they just think it's a minor illness,

Scott Benner 24:49
right? Well, yeah, Janelle, you know, I think you're right. I put this into vision. Ai, I said, what do these symptoms point to? Thirsty, vomiting, lethargy, weight loss, vision. Says the symptoms you've described, thorough vomiting, lethargy and weight loss can be concerning and may be indicated indicate several possible health issues, including, but not limited to diabetes related conditions. In this in the context of type one diabetes, these symptoms could suggest a few critical scenarios. Diabetic Ketoacidosis, it describes it hyperglycemia, it describes it infection or illness. I think, do you think if you would have saw that, what would you have done? How many times have you thought it's time to change my CGM, I just changed it. And then you look and realize, my God, it's been 14 days already, a week, week and a half, feels like I just did this. Well, you'll never feel like that with the Eversense CGM, because Eversense is the only long term CGM with six months of real time glucose readings, giving you more convenience, confidence and flexibility. So if you're one of those people who has that thought that I just did this, didn't I why? Well, might have to do this again right now. If you don't like that feeling, give Eversense a try, because with Eversense, you'll replace the sensor just once every six months via a simple in office. Visit Eversense, cgm.com/juicebox, to learn more and get started. Today. Would you like to take a break? Take a shower? You can with Eversense without wasting a sensor. Don't want anybody to know. For your big day, take it off, no one has to know. Have your sensors been failing before 10 or 14 days? That won't happen with ever since? Have you ever had a sensor get torn off while you're pulling off your shirt? That won't happen with ever since? So no sensor to get knocked off. It's as discreet as you want it to be. It's incredibly accurate, and you only have to change it once every six months. Ever since cgm.com/juicebox,

Janelle 26:51
I would have took her immediately into the doctor and been like, I think she has this. I mean, I know about this advocacy. I I didn't mention this, but my son does have sensory processing disorder, and I advocated for him when he was a year old, because I knew something was off.

Unknown Speaker 27:07
Okay, he's your 14

Janelle 27:07
year old, yes, okay, yes. And he's very it's like a spectrum, like autism, and he's very low on the sensory spectrum, but he does have it, and he does, you know, have eating sensory issues. But as he's gotten older, it's gotten a lot easier to manage. So again, I pushed that when he was really young, because I saw the signs and the symptoms. But I think with her, just the chaos of life at the time, having two teenagers, my son played travel baseball. My daughter does ballet. You know, Arielle does horseback riding. I work full time. My husband has his own business. I just think you never, I guess I just after so many years of never having a major issue with any of my kids, as far as illness in my head, they were all healthy,

Scott Benner 27:56
and this was going, you see that hopefuls, those seasons of hope were happening for you as well. Yeah, yeah. You're like, Oh, she's vomiting. That's crazy, but she's good now. And then you get elevated again, and you kind of forget about it and and then, if it happens, spread out enough, maybe you just don't put the whole thing together. That's really sad.

Janelle 28:15
And the thirsty and the weight loss didn't happen until about, like, six months into the vomiting and the weight loss didn't happen until right before, you know, DKA, so it was just like, kind of on. The symptoms were piling up slowly. It wasn't like they all came out one, yeah,

Scott Benner 28:32
oh, it's really so let's have listen. You started off by saying it's a story like everybody else's, but then you told a story I don't think I've ever heard before. So geez, that's something. Are you I have another

Janelle 28:42
interesting piece too, which I don't I've tried to do the research to see if it's related, and I can't really find a link. But she was born two weeks early, and she was a little over eight pounds, and I remember getting really mad when she was born because they kept poking her foot. And I finally asked them why they were poking her foot, and they said, Well, we're testing her blood sugar because she's a big baby for being two weeks early. And I'm like, she's like, eight pounds, six ounces. Like, that's not really a big baby in my head, but I'm like, she's my third baby, and so of course, she's going to be a little bigger. They never told me if she had high blood sugar. But before we were going to, before I was going to come on here, I got her hospital records because I was just curious, you know, of all the details about when I took her into the ER, and of course, that is the same hospital where she was born, and she did have high blood sugars, and nobody ever said anything. And also when she was diagnosed, we live in a not a really big town. I mean, it's kind of big, but they sent her a children's hospital, which is an hour away, so she had to go by ambulance there. They tested her for the antibodies, and she tested for all. Five antibodies. So I just question if she had this even longer and we just had no clue, or she had no symptoms, or is it possible to have like, such a slow onset with young children? You know about

Scott Benner 30:14
that? Well, I just, I'm like, I'm all in on AI now. So are premature babies that are larger, more prone to type one later in life, the relationship between birth weight, prematurity and the development of type one diabetes later in life is the topic of ongoing research, and the findings are not entirely conclusive. However, several studies have explored various aspects of this relationship prematurity and type one Some research suggests that premature birth may be associated in increased risk of developing autoimmune diseases, including type one. The theory is that the immune system of premature infants might develop differently, potentially influencing autoimmune responses later in life. That crazy.

Janelle 30:56
Yeah, it is. And she wasn't considered preterm because she was, you know, close enough 38 weeks, yeah, yeah. But I just found it odd, yeah, even

Scott Benner 31:07
though the birth weight is not huge at that time, I guess the charts told them check her blood sugar, yeah.

Janelle 31:13
So when I pulled her files, they have like, this hand chart where they like, plotted it like a graph, and it was just a tiny bit above for the weeks. So it was like, check her blood sugar, and they never told me it was high. There was no information. Did it say how high it was when they checked? I don't have it off the top of my head. It's in my little files right here. But and also it when I looked, it wasn't, it wasn't the values that we use. So I was, I don't, I didn't have time to research, like, what, how that correlates? I don't know if they're using a different value system. Sorry, I'm

Scott Benner 31:46
not. Where was the hospital?

Janelle 31:49
It was here in California, but it said, like, 88 or something. But it said, Hi, I'm not. I could be wrong on the exact number, but it it showed, like, two times being normal and two times being high,

Scott Benner 32:03
but not enough for them to say something to you,

Janelle 32:06
I guess. I guess so. I mean, yeah, they never said anything. I mean, they didn't even tell me why they were poking her until I was like, Why do you keep poking her foot? This is my third baby. You've never poked my baby's foot. You know, even

Scott Benner 32:17
That's strange, though, because if it was in minimals, it would be 4.7 not 8888

Janelle 32:23
is well. And then I did read, so I got the hospital records, like a month ago, and I was like, digging into them. And I did it might, I may be wrong on the number, but I did read that for newborns, the sugar level is different. Ooh,

Scott Benner 32:35
okay. Oh, that makes sense. Then Okay, so I'm not sure of the exact you know. So yeah, high for what they expected, then yes, two hours old, normal level is just under two millimoles and more risk adult levels three or two days, within two to three days, and babies who need treatment for low blood glucose are at risk for low blood glucose. Low, yeah,

Janelle 32:59
when I Googled it, it just like, had a lot of information about low, but not high.

Scott Benner 33:03
Yeah, okay, all right. I don't know that we're gonna figure that out now, but that's super interesting. I appreciate you bringing it up. Yeah, all the people are listening now are like, were our kids premature by how much I wonder if they Yeah, that's something. It's

Janelle 33:16
just interesting that, like, again, I had no clue. But then when I pulled the records, it showed high. And I'm like, that's just odd to

Scott Benner 33:23
me. Well, apparently, not, apparently there's ongoing research about that. Yeah, so Okay, God, we're a half hour in. Why did you want to come on the podcast?

Janelle 33:33
So I love the podcast I listen all the time. Has just really helped me, one manage the emotions in the first couple months, there's just something about hearing other people's story and being able to you know, validate your story and make you feel you know, not alone, and then also for both aspects you know, and then also just their learning tools. So when she was diagnosed again, her a 1c, was, you know, close to 14, and immediately went on. MDI went home with a Dexcom, will went home with a Dexcom, but not on her. So we put it on, like three days later, yeah, and then she was MDI for three months, and got her her ANC was not coming down that fast. And again, they don't, they, you know, they don't tell you that they're bringing her down slowly. So that was a little frustrating for me, like, Why isn't this working? But after three months, got the OmniPod, I think so. I was introduced to you through a friend whose daughter had was diagnosed about a year before my daughter, but I had no clue, because we had lost contact during covid, and then somebody had told me on the way home from the hospital, well, you know, so and so's daughter as type one. And I'm like, What? No, that's like, my really good friend. That's not possible. And so I spoke with her on the way to the on the way home from the hospital, and our you know, diagnosis stories were a lot, like, super similar. And she was like, Hey, do you, you know, use Facebook? And I was like, yeah. A little bit here and there. She's like, Okay, I'm going to add you to this group. So since day one, she added me to, you know, your Facebook group, and I would, you know, follow along. But it wasn't until about like, two months after she was diagnosed that I actually started listening to the podcast, and then I started figuring out, like, oh, I can put in this work. I can do this, I can do that. And I got her a 1c down from, you know, the 13 on MDI to, um, 5.90

Scott Benner 35:31
wow. You know, that's amazing. Good for you. So there's, yeah, Jesus, that's, I'm stunned by a couple of things, but one that the hospital or your endo was comfortable with a 13, A, 1c, they weren't pushing harder. So

Janelle 35:47
it's a learning, teaching hospital. And I just, I don't you know, everything that they say, everything you guys talk about on the podcast, is super valid. There was just no real education. You know, you're, you're in this state of shock when you're diagnosed and and they, you know, give you this the day you're going to leave. They run you through this like eight hour course of how you're going to care for this child. And you haven't slept in three days, you know. And nobody said anything. Nobody said, Really, what? They gave me the ranges, but nobody said, Oh, she's we're bringing her down slowly, like she's going to be high for a while. And we actually had a planned trip to Disneyland the week after she was diagnosed, and I had told the doctor we can't go to Disneyland, you know, like I can't do this. Like I am totally freaking out. I don't I don't know how we're going to manage this. And she was like, oh, no, you have to go to Disneyland. She's like, you cannot let her so I will say I'm really happy with the doctor, because she was like, you cannot let her think that her life is going to be different because of diabetes. You cannot take away Disneyland. And I was like,

Scott Benner 36:58
what could you people say something that might help me? Yes,

Janelle 37:01
exactly. So we go to Disneyland. And now looking back, it was a miserable time. She was miserable. I mean, all the walking. But now looking back, she was still in the 200 and nobody told us like she's going to be tired. She's going to, you know, there was just this lack of information, and I don't know if it's because they don't want to overwhelm you, or there's just still, you know, a problem in the in the teaching Well, Janelle,

Scott Benner 37:29
I have my opinions. I think you know them as you're listening. So I think that they don't want to overwhelm you is the answer that doctors, who do know what they're talking about, give to stick up for everybody else when I think what's happening is when people have experiences like yours, I'm not saying everybody, and there are plenty of doctors who know what they're doing, and they're good at telling people how to manage things, and they're great support systems with good knowledge, etc. But for the ones who aren't, it's just a banal show of information. Don't let diabetes stop you. Great, but thanks. Like, you know what I mean? Like, like, yeah, so I'm gonna go to Disney. I'm gonna drag her ass out in the heat with high blood sugars, where she's probably got muscle cramping. She feels crappy, her head's foggy. We're running her around going, like, we're not gonna let diabetes stop us. I

Janelle 38:25
break our only insulin bottle in the bathroom and shatter it.

Scott Benner 38:30
Really, what ride was that it was,

Janelle 38:33
it was literally like the trip from hell, like I was like, why are we doing this? Did

Scott Benner 38:37
you curse when the vial hit the ground? Yeah, I

Janelle 38:40
did. And then, you know, but then I tried to stay calm for her. I, you know, I really did not want to, like, yeah, you know, rattle her. So I was super calm. I'm like, There's, this is no big deal. But I'm like, why didn't somebody tell me when I was leaving later? I'm like, Why didn't someone tell me when I was leaving the hospital? There's vial covers, you know, there's these plastic, little silicone things. Like, nobody said, go get one of those, or

Scott Benner 39:02
bring two. If I go somewhere, why would I need two? Yeah,

Janelle 39:05
I and I didn't bring two. My thinking was, you know, they have to be refrigerated. I don't want to deal with that. I'll keep one at home. We're only going to need one, you know, right? It's so I it was a mess. And I'm just like, why would you send me into that? Because I was already struggling so much with just accepting the diagnosis. And I'm a type A personality, so I wanted to, like, get everything down to the T and then you throw me, like I felt like, into war when I was already injured,

Scott Benner 39:35
getting Mickey Mouse. Am I right? Joe? It when the vial hit the ground, I might have gone. It's a world of laughter. It's a world of fears. I don't know, I don't remember the song, sweetie, but everything's gonna be fine. Don't worry about it. Let's go on Space Mountain now, yeah,

Janelle 39:50
we were actually by Space Mountain. We were like, in a bathroom right there, but yeah, and then she wanted to dose, you know, in the bathroom, which I know is like the horribles place. We're over that now. But. You know, it was the beginning, and I was letting her take the lead of what she was comfortable with. And like, that was, like, the worst decision ever. In the bathroom smelled like insulin. Oh, my God. I was like, oh, probably think I'm shooting up in the stall, but, you know, whatever. Yeah, listen,

Scott Benner 40:13
you guys are used to that vomit smell. Nothing bothers you. Yeah, yeah, you don't know. Like, I, by the way, I could do a 25 minute podcast episode on just you throwing the vomit sheets outside and then having to go collect them the next morning. I would have dug into that story like a lunatic if I didn't know that you had more to talk about. Because I am just, oh, I'm I'm just, I'm enlightened inside about the I just imagine you guys just picking up those sheets and being like, oh my god, this is horrible. Why did we have kids? Like the whole that's

Janelle 40:45
where we were at, my husband, my poor husband, you know, I go to work early in the morning, so he does more morning routine. So he was responsible for hosing them off. And he was just like, I'm done. I'm done parenting. I don't want to do this anymore. Like he was, you know, it was just, it was hard making

Scott Benner 41:03
these babies is so far in the rear view mirror. I don't really, I don't remember why we're doing this. No, I hear it. Oh, my God. Oh, so you, so you find through a friend, do you find the podcast? I want to get back this, because I run the risks, you know, all the time of acting like I'm pointing it to myself and going, look how great I am, and at the same time wanting to say your doctor's office was helping you manage a 13, A, 1c, and a podcast got you where

Janelle 41:32
5.9 and we are at 5.7 now I'm gonna

Scott Benner 41:36
go on Space Mountain 5.7 right now. That's wonderful. Good for you. What how does she manage now? What gear does she have?

Janelle 41:44
So we do have, we still have the, you know, Dexcom g6 and then we also have the OmniPod five. However, I do not run it in auto mode,

Scott Benner 41:52
so you're just using OmniPod basically. Yes, yeah, okay. Have you not tried it yet? Or did

Janelle 41:59
I have tried it a few times again, type A personality comes out, and I get really frustrated because I'm not in control, and it's just keeping her higher than I'd like. So after we went on the OmniPod, her a 1c went up to 6.1 from the 5.9 and I was like, that's it. We're not doing this anymore. We're going to manual mode, where I can control her basal and I have control.

Scott Benner 42:21
Oh, I'm not laughing at you, Janelle, but at least you know that you have control issues. That's good. But 661, would be amazing, by the way. But I take your point, if it's something you want to be involved in, then you know it's something you want to be involved in. I

Janelle 42:34
feel like it's less work than auto mode was for me because of your mindset, yeah, and because I just, there was a lot of correcting, you know, because I would just have her sitting, you know, in 160 for hours and not bring her down. It was really great for the lows. Don't get me wrong, but it's just, it's not aggressive enough. And I'm really hoping that, you know, within time they will lower that, you know, 110 to, like a 90, and then maybe she can set, you know, right above 100 but she was sitting at like 137 all night, and I just why when I could have her in the 80s or the 90s?

Scott Benner 43:12
Yeah, no. I mean, listen, I hope that all the pump companies continue to make their algorithms more aggressive to the point where they can manage the numbers that people are looking for if that's if that's what you want, you know, and it's fantastic and good for you for doing it. But you're not sleeping. What about at night? Can't you get her to 80 and then just go to bed and put it into auto it

Janelle 43:33
will, she'll slowly creep up to 130

Scott Benner 43:35
okay? And that's the target I am getting

Janelle 43:39
sleep because I have her basal so dialed in. She She rides between 80 and 100 at night. Janelle,

Scott Benner 43:45
are you trying to say that the information contained in this podcast is allowing you to do that 100%

Janelle 43:53
so before we got the OmniPod, I literally sat down and listened to all before I put it on her sat down and listened to all the Pro Tip series, had a notebook, took notes, learned vocabulary, because, you know, you're also shooting words in the beginning that we don't know. I'm like, What the heck is Basil? What the heck is you know this, so I'm, like, writing it in a notebook. I am like, going to school with your podcast.

Scott Benner 44:17
I'm Professor Scott, yes. Who's Jenny? Is she the lunch lady? No, no. She's like, Who is she? She's like, the principal. Probably, right, yeah,

Janelle 44:25
maybe the principal.

Scott Benner 44:27
I'm thrilled that it helped you. Like, genuinely, I feel proud. To be perfectly honest with you, I actually had a moment this morning. I know, if people use my Facebook group, a lot of people celebrate their wins in there, and it's really terrific. Like, but I don't ever do that. I never, like, go in and be like, hey, like, you know, you should see Arden's bolus that we, you know, or whatever. Like, I just don't do that, you know. I got a note from a friend today that said, Hey, if you haven't listened to your episode, like, listen to it like a fan, not like you're editing it or something. Like that. If you haven't listened to your episode called after dark prison, you should go back and listen to it. I just listened to it. Oh, did you? And so I turned it on this morning while I was taking a shower and screwing with the dogs and stuff like that, and dealing with the baby birds that we saved outside and, oh my God, and all that stuff. And I have to tell you, I got done, I went to the group, and I put up a post, and I was like, I actually said, I'm like, can I celebrate something with you guys for a second? Because

Janelle 45:25
I just read that right before we got on that episode. It is, it is a really good episode. Yeah. I mean, I loved it, and you deserve it. You do. I honestly think that you saved my life, my daughter's life, and my marriage.

Scott Benner 45:40
Oh, wow, I'll take a card at Christmas. Look at me glossing over the what you just said, which was so nice, like, I realized, like, you don't know how fast this goes, like, I record every day with somebody, and then those episodes go into a folder. They get magically through the internet, whisked completely across the country, where an editor takes care of, like, you know, the stuff you don't even know is happening, like gaps and noises and everything. It makes it infinitely more listenable and and sound better all that stuff. And and then I don't see it again until it comes back into another folder. And then the next time I see it, the truth is, is that I just kind of, like, I do the like, Hello friends and welcome to episode. Like, I do that, and then I like, drop in ads that people have bought, and, you know, I put them in where they go, and I packed the whole thing together, and I stuff it online, but I don't ever really listen back through it again, so I only have the conversation. I don't usually listen to them. But as I was listening to it, I was like, when I push record with with Stephanie in 1202, all I knew was she had type one diabetes and she had been to prison and nothing else. And you listened to that episode, that episode could be on NPR. It could be, yeah, you know what I mean. It could be a two hour interview with Howard Stern with somebody famous, like, it's really, you know

Janelle 46:56
how to ask the right question, I feel like. And you guide the you guide all your lists, or, sorry, your speakers through.

Scott Benner 47:05
Yeah, I don't think about myself that way, but I did today, and I was just generally speaking, I was proud of myself, and then an hour later, I'm very proud of what the management stuff did for you. You know what I mean? Like, it's, I'm thrilled for you, but you have to understand, like, I just started a podcast. I didn't think that 10 years later a lady named Janelle would come on and say, Hey, you might have saved my marriage and my sanity. And like, blah, blah, blah. Like, I didn't think that was gonna happen. Like, you know what I mean? Like, it's weird. Yeah, it's a weird position to ban. But anyway, today I am allowing myself to feel proud. Because normally, despite what you might think, when I'm joking around on the podcast, I generally walk around thinking, I'm not good at this. I have to do better. It's not helping enough people. Like those are usually the ways I think about the podcast. So I'm celebrating today. You should.

Janelle 47:53
Yeah, you deserve it. You should. You are part of myself. I hear all the time like, how can we reach more people? And I see that I you know, I know somebody else whose daughter has type one, and I just know that they're not getting the help that they need, and the family's just not capable of doing it on their own. And I'm just so frustrated that the hospital and the doctors aren't stepping in. Can

Scott Benner 48:22
I ask you a question you might be uniquely qualified to answer? If I could rerelease like bold beginnings or the Pro Tip series in Spanish, do you think that would help people? Yes, okay, because immensely it would not be in a human voice, I'm sorry to say, but I'm working on it right now, again, through AI, but here I think I can on a second, if

Janelle 48:50
they can find the podcast. Yes, I think then 100% because, like my mother in law, had a really hard time understanding the diagnosis. And I wish there was something that I could give her to listen to. Listen

Scott Benner 49:05
to this for a second. Let me see if you can hear this.

Speaker 1 49:07
Hola amigos y bienvenidos a la serie de consejos profesionales sobre diabetes del podcast juicebox. Estos episodio San sido remasterizados para una mejor calidad de sonido por Rob and wrong way, recording cuando necesitas que se haga bien Elise wrong way. Wrong

Scott Benner 49:29
is that reasonable?

Janelle 49:32
I think so. Although so all of my kids are in like a dual immersion school, so they've learned Spanish since kindergarten. So like my, you know, 17 year old is fully bilingual, and she will say, like, book Spanish. And that kind of Spanish is a little bit harder to understand because the general public, especially here in California, they don't speak book Spanish. They speak, you know, street Spanish. It's a little different. So

Scott Benner 49:59
the only. The only option I have at the moment right is to take a transcript from the episode, feed it through AI, let AI spit it back out in Spanish, then feed that back into the AI, and have it send out an mp three with like, that's not a real person speaking, that's a computer. And so that's my only option right now. There's no other way for me to do it. Do you think it's a waste of time, or do you think I should try an episode or two and see if it works? I think

Janelle 50:27
you should try it. Okay, I really do. If you can reach any other, you know, population that's not being reached, then I think it's valuable. Okay, all right.

Scott Benner 50:35
And then what I would probably do is I would probably launch a new podcast that was just juicebox podcast in Spanish, yeah, and then only probably do, like, bowl beginnings, pro tips, like, more management stuff inside of that. Because I don't, I don't think, I can't imagine that, like, my conversation with the lady in prison would, like, translate well, like, do you know they mean, like, back and forth conversation like I

Janelle 51:01
think. So I think at least having the Pro Tip series, having the definitions in there, I think because something that I also don't think the doctors realize is that they're using words that we don't know either, I didn't know what you know pre bolus was, I didn't know what your basal was. They're telling you fast acting and short acting insulin, but then they're not telling you all those things. But then when you go in the office, they're using those words. So I think even if somebody can hear those Pro Tips series in Spanish, then they're having they're being able to understand even their doctors better. I feel like,

Scott Benner 51:36
yeah, no, I agree. I The defining diabetes series, I think is really important, actually, yes. And for the exact same reasons that you said, like, they just start talking, and you just, your brain does its best to, like, fill in, but you're not going to fill in what basal means. On day one, they'll say basal, and then somebody else will come in the room and call it, like, long acting insulin, right? Or they'll call

Janelle 52:00
then you're thinking that they're talking about two different things. You know, that's what I'm saying, that you're just like, what's going on here?

Scott Benner 52:05
Yeah, when, when you talk to three different people, and one person says Nova log, one person says mealtime, insulin, and one person says rapid acting insulin, you don't know those three things are the same thing? No, yeah, no. It's, it's really, it's really a problem, actually. And, and this is the, to me, the quickest way to do it, like short episodes. Hey, hey, Jenny. We're here to talk about Basil. Basil is this blah, blah, blah. Here's a, you know, here's a contextual conversation about it for a few minutes. Nothing overwhelming. And, you know, not too long, then you move on. I want to give a lot of credit to somebody this, this lady named Laura kolojeski, she worked at sanafi diabetes years ago, and one of the things she did was she built an online dictionary for diabetes. And it's, it's, of course, the funk now it doesn't exist. Then, you know, their website's gone, etc. But that idea stuck with me for a long time about what a value that was, and that's why I made that defining diabetes series. That

Janelle 53:05
was a, that's a huge that series is was huge for me. So again, in the beginning, I was just added to the Facebook group, and even the things people were saying, I was like, What are they talking about? Like, and I was like, Googling in the search of the Facebook group, like the words, like, trying to figure out, you know what it was. I was like, What is looping? What is you know, I'm like, this is like a foreign language when you're first diagnosed. Do

Scott Benner 53:26
you ever see Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back? Janelle, no. At the end of the movie, they fly around the country and go door to door to all the people that made fun of them online and beat them up. It's kind of stupid and funny. I have this, like, daydream of me going door to door and making everybody listen to the bold beginning series.

Janelle 53:46
Yeah, I think, I think that would be, I mean, that's the first step again. When I first started the podcast, I kind of started listening randomly. And then I was like, I think I heard you say in one of the episodes about, you know, the um, old beginnings. And so I went back again with my little notebook. Now I'm, like, so seasoned, I can run why I'm listening to you and take mental notes. But in the beginning, I had to sit there with my notebook and, you know, like I said, write down all the words and go over them, and then that that a that abled me to listen to your other episodes and take information without being super confused. Yeah,

Scott Benner 54:23
no. There's no perfect way to disseminate everything like you want to. There's like part of you that wants to say, well, episode one should be defining, and then those first 50 should be defining, and then it should go into both beginnings, then pro tips and etc. But there's no way to organize it that way, and

Janelle 54:40
not even that. I learned something from every episode, even if it's not, if it's just someone talking I mean, it's super valuable for everything in my life, like even the prison episode they were just talking about. I was running yesterday listening to it, and I'm thinking, like, okay, my daughter's gonna be okay, just because I know. You know, she's okay, and she made through this, and she made it through that. So it's just, I able to relate to almost every single episode some way in my life. Oh, I'm

Scott Benner 55:10
glad that's one. I also like, you know, look, and I've talked about this before, but if I put it all out in order, nobody would listen to it that way either. It'd be overwhelming and it would be boring. You'd be like, Oh, my God, let's have 50 of these in a row, so you have to spread them around. But you know that when you do that, you're you're gonna stop somebody from finding it, or they'll miss a week and they won't see something like there's just no perfect way to do it. And the other, the other truth is, is that I didn't start with a with a blueprint for what I was gonna do with the podcast like this, I made this podcast as it came to me, like, I'm like, oh, now I'm gonna define words. And then I'm like, maybe I'm gonna make a Pro Tip series. And then after the Pro Tip series, someone said to me, would be nice if there was a series that's not quite as in depth as the Pro Tip series, like, oh, we'll do a bold beginning series. And like, I'm looking at my whiteboard now, and there's like, endless content ideas up there, and I do them when they make sense to me, and that's, you know, the only thing I have, like, and I only have so much time, and I gotta keep making a podcast in between, like, having conversations with people, because people are expecting content. If they don't get it, they'll go find it somewhere else, or they'll go listen to, you know something else, or watch a Netflix show, or something like it's there's a lot going on here. You know what I mean for me? Yeah,

Janelle 56:26
so I think you did an amazing job. I think it's awesome. Thank you. I, like I said, I listened to it almost daily. It's like my little therapy session when I'm running.

Scott Benner 56:35
I'm glad that's wonderful. Okay, Janelle, is there anything we haven't talked about that we should have?

Janelle 56:40
I just think I wanted to mention I don't know, I don't know how to say without going in too long, but

Scott Benner 56:45
you don't have a time limit. Go ahead. Okay,

Janelle 56:48
so I just recently found out that I thought my older kids were, you know, taking the diagnosis like a champ, and it wasn't really affecting them, but it just came to light that they were both very affected by the diagnosis in their own ways, and were struggling with it. And it was, you know, coming out in school and other, you know, behavioral things. And it finally came to light, and I was like, Oh, wow, this is, like, a family diagnosis. It's just not mom dad in type one, you know, it's the whole family, and it's, I just want to, like, tell the other parents out there like that are newly diagnosed, just make sure you're checking in on your other kids.

Scott Benner 57:30
Yeah. No, it is. It is really important. How did it come to light? What did they say something? Or did you kind of figure something out?

Janelle 57:38
Well, with my son, he was just struggling in a lot of aspects of his life. So I saw it there, and then my daughter literally told me what I have, I have medical anxiety from Ariel's diagnosis, and she wasn't in the hospital with us. She didn't come, you know, to the Children's Hospital. She didn't see her. But they were home alone. They were home alone by themselves, you know, with and I think maybe didn't know 100% what was going on or if their sister was going to survive. So I think that really affected them. And then we come home and we're, we're zombie parents for three months, you know, because we're trying to learn how to manage this disease, and we're so emotional and we're so tired that they were not getting the parenting that they needed. And so, yeah, it just really did affect them. And like I said, in different ways. And my son, I can just see it. I could see it. And my daughter actually told me, you know,

Scott Benner 58:34
do you think they're worried they're going to get diabetes or that just something bad is going to happen in general? Something

Janelle 58:40
bad is going to happen. In general, I think they both were, did the trial net and myself, and neither of them have any antibodies, not to say that. You know, it can't happen in the future. They I don't think they're worried they're going to get diabetes. I think they just are worried about what it entails. And then I think just seeing us so stressed and so run down during those first, you know, three to six months, I think just really affected them.

Scott Benner 59:10
I see, yeah, no, I can imagine. I'm sure my son tells me sometimes, like he's 24 and he's like, it wasn't easy. And I was like, okay, yeah, yeah. So, I mean, as a boy, he doesn't talk too much about it, but you know, to say that it like didn't bother him is wouldn't be fair. And at the same time, while it was happening, I didn't really think anything was happening, like he seemed okay to me. And we put a ton, we put a ton of effort into making sure there was as much equality as possible, but he still feels like it wasn't equal. And there's the thing, and that would happen in kids with, with or without diabetes. They're all, you know, go talk to big families. Every kid thinks that one of the other kids was a favorite. You know what? I mean? Yes. So, so it's kind of common there, too, but I'm glad you brought that up. That's a sincerely something to be paying attention to. And. Be working against if you have kids with type one, that's for sure. Yeah. Oh, Janelle, I appreciate you doing this very much. This was great. Did you cry more or less than you expected to bless good for you. That's

Unknown Speaker 1:00:12
excellent.

Scott Benner 1:00:14
How are you guys right now? You and your husband? Are things better?

Janelle 1:00:18
Yeah, I think things are better. I mean, I think we've just, I really think the diagnosis has helped us grow as people, individually, and then also in our marriage. I mean, the first again, the first three months were crazy and we hated each other and we wanted to murder each other because we had no sleep and, you know, we were, we felt like we were miserably failing. But I think now that we have a sense of like, okay, we can do this. You know, she hasn't a somewhat normal a 1c and I just think learning to live day by day and in the moment and not stress over the big things has just, yeah, I think it's really helped. Good.

Scott Benner 1:00:56
Well, I'm glad that's wonderful. I think there's opportunity, obviously, to grow in any situation, but it's hard to see it sometimes, and even harder to embrace it at times as well.

Janelle 1:01:06
Yes, yeah, really, especially when you're, you know, having no sleep, please,

Scott Benner 1:01:10
very little sleep and and all that guilt, right? Have you gotten rid of any of it yet? Or is it still with you? I've

Janelle 1:01:16
really been working on it, and I think I have gotten rid of a lot of it. It still pops up here and there, but the first six months, I would cry almost daily. I mean, I would just be driving, and I would just break down crying because I just felt so guilty. But I really embraced the fact that I did save her life. I did take her to the emergency room. I didn't wait till the next day to take her to the doctor. So my mom, you know, vibes, did come in, and I did do what she needed. That's

Scott Benner 1:01:50
excellent. Good for you. Yeah, don't, don't let go of the good stuff that you did. Seriously, like, I've been having a couple of conversations with people where this has come up recently, and you can't choose to just look at the part that went wrong. That's, you know, just not good for you. Okay. Well, I really appreciate you doing this with me. Thank you so much. Can you hold on for a second? Yes, thank you. I

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#1333 IDU: Being Judgmental

Scott and Arden discuss roman numerals, green screens and being judgemental.

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Unknown Speaker 2:19
Not gonna believe it, but I don't know.

Scott Benner 2:24
All right, I don't understand. Wait, you're

Arden Benner 2:26
not gonna believe this. Police allegedly discovered mushrooms and marijuana on 1000 pound sisters Amy slattin After she was bitten by camel.

Scott Benner 2:37
Is she from like, one of those TV shows? Yeah. Like the, like, the 1000 pounds, my 1000 pound wife, yeah,

Arden Benner 2:48
her and her sister are, like, super famous, I

Scott Benner 2:51
think, okay, Amy and Tammy. Yeah, that's their names. Okay, hold on a second. I've never seen it. What is this about a camel? She got to buy a camel, apparently, and

Unknown Speaker 3:06
she also has mushrooms and marijuana.

Scott Benner 3:07
So if I google my 1000 pound life camel, oh, here it is. Okay. Why 1000 pound sister star Amy Slayton was arrested at the zoo, according to a Facebook post made by a Crockett County Sheriff's Department on Monday, police responded to an unusual incident at the Tennessee safari park in Alamo, where a camel reportedly bit someone in slaton's party. However, when deputies arrived at the scene, they were met with strong, suspicious odors coming from her vehicle, prompting a further investigation. Her companion Brian and she were subsequently arrested after police found illegal substances in the vehicle, charging them with illegal possession of a schedule one, illegal possession of a schedule, oh, I'm not good at um, Roman numerals. What's VI is that six or five four minus one or five plus? Is it five? Do you know Roman numerals? When we start the episode, I don't understand Roman numerals. Okay, that's what we're doing. Hold on a second, um. Do you understand Roman numerals? No, which

Arden Benner 4:16
is why we shouldn't do it,

Scott Benner 4:18
because neither of us understand it.

Unknown Speaker 4:20
Hold on. If you don't know,

Scott Benner 4:23
I don't understand Roman numerals, let's see if it can get explained to me, Roman numerals are numeral. Uh, numeral, numer. Wait, numerals are numeral. Why would it say? Says Roman numerals are a numeral system used in ancient Rome. They are still used today in various contexts. Okay, so an i is one, a V is five, an X is 10, L is 50, C, 6100, D, but isn't v1 Oh, that's six. I. I guess it's five plus one. Oh, that's so stupid. And IV is five minus one, but that doesn't make sense. I mean, it does, but no, it doesn't right, like if v, if V, what if V, I is V, is five, I is one. Then I understand the five plus one because it's in order VI, but if you go IV, it's still five in the why? Why isn't it? I don't why would they do this? Uh, C is 100 D is 500 m is 1000 so if I said so, if x is 10 and I is one, what is x x, I x, I didn't hear anything. You just said, if x is 10 and I is one, what is x x i x, 31 Yeah, you would think so, because VI is six, but x, x, i, x is 10 plus 10 plus 10 minus one, so it's 29 is it possible that Rome fell because of their stupid counting system? Let's see what chat GPT says about that. Oh, it says it's a funny thought, but the fall of the room was because of their wasn't because their counting system, political instability, economic decline, military changes, challenges, social and cultural changes, huh? That sounds like everything else, doesn't it, power struggles and corruption in politics, heavy taxation, reliance on slave labor and inflation as far as economics go, repeated invasions by barbarian tribes like the Visigoths and the vandals. Oh, vandals. I guess that's where that comes from, internal conflicts and the Emperors over extension, the Empires over extension, erosion of Roman values, population decline due to plagues and the division of the empire into eastern and western halves, huh? Is that where we get the word vandal from let's do a little entomology on the word vandal. Oh, I was right.

Unknown Speaker 7:27
I don't know what we're talking about. I

Scott Benner 7:29
don't either we were talking about, I haven't talked my daughter is 20 years old. I can't even believe it. She was diagnosed with type one diabetes when she was two, and she put her first insulin pump on when she was four. That insulin pump was an OmniPod, and it's been an OmniPod every day since then. That's 16 straight years of wearing OmniPod. It's been a friend to us, and I believe it could be a friend to you, omnipod.com/juicebox whether you get the OmniPod dash, or the automation that's available with the OmniPod five, you are going to enjoy tubeless insulin pumping. You're going to be able to jump into a shower or a pool or a bathtub without taking off your pump. That's right, you will not have to disconnect to bathe with an OmniPod. You also won't have to disconnect to play a sport or to do anything where a regular tube pump has to come off. Arden has been wearing an OmniPod for 16 years. She knows other people that wear different pumps, and she has never once asked the question, should I be trying a different pump? Never once omnipod.com/juicebox get a pump that you'll be happy with forever. Oh, why don't you talk? What do you want to go over today in our episode? We have our whole

Unknown Speaker 8:46
list. Is not this is not grabbing me. All

Scott Benner 8:49
right, you look a little low energy, so I gotta get something that's gonna light you up. I'm

Unknown Speaker 8:53
so tired.

Scott Benner 8:55
Are you tired because you didn't sleep?

Unknown Speaker 8:58
I didn't sleep that much. I was doing homework last night.

Scott Benner 9:01
Is that because you spent all afternoon not doing homework when you were supposed to do it, then you had to stay up late to do it.

Arden Benner 9:07
I mean, like, kind of but not really. I was doing other things I had to do so you

Scott Benner 9:11
were not procrastinating. No,

Arden Benner 9:13
also, I, like, this is irrelevant. Just continue.

Scott Benner 9:17
I'm gonna put procrastination on our list of things I don't understand. But can I understand it completely? I don't know if you do. Maybe there's, like, a psychological reason, like, uh,

Arden Benner 9:27
it was actually what we talked about my first day of Psych class. So I understand it. You understood.

Scott Benner 9:31
Okay, we'll save it for another time. Let's do something you can get excited about today. Do we want to talk about where weight goes when you lose weight. Do we want to talk about gaslighting black holes, or why there are no more staple foods? All right, so pick one. We'll do one episode, and we're out how weed vaporizing works. Who decided when the. First Monday would happen? How did we get to the two party political system? Can dogs love

Arden Benner 10:12
all I can think about is How to Get Away with Murder, because that's what I've been watching.

Scott Benner 10:16
You don't understand how people get away with murder? Let's I'm no,

Arden Benner 10:20
I'm literally just saying, all I can think about is the show. Do you have

Scott Benner 10:25
a green screen behind you? No, wait, then how does your cup just Oh, because the green screen is, like, turned on in the settings. Oh, and I have a green cup, so it disappeared in my hand. That's weird, isn't it? How do green screens work? Like, seriously, I'm holding a green cup, and you can see the shape and the the silver rim, but the rest of it just looks invisible. That's, yeah, wait, I have this thing that everything's written on in green. Can you see the words? You can.

Arden Benner 11:01
I mean, they're like, a little green screen,

Scott Benner 11:04
a little dicey. How does a green How about the cap of this pen?

Unknown Speaker 11:07
Yeah,

Scott Benner 11:08
but like, your plants aren't in the background, yeah, I don't understand. Can we do you want to find out how a green screen works, since we're talking about it, how do you imagine it works?

Arden Benner 11:19
I imagine they just input into the system to identify that certain shade of green, and then the

Scott Benner 11:27
system. What's

Unknown Speaker 11:31
I don't know the system,

Scott Benner 11:32
the matrix. I

Arden Benner 11:35
don't know my I'm in that intro to computer programming class right now, and if there's one thing I know, it's I will never have a career in this because I cannot even figure out how to open the lab.

Scott Benner 11:48
So what is it a programming class?

Arden Benner 11:51
I mean, I guess, but I don't know, because I can't figure it out at all. There is nothing about it that I like what I don't even understand how to open the project that we're doing. What's the

Scott Benner 12:03
class called Intro to Computer Programming. Intro to Computer programming. So it's about computer languages. So then they give you a module or something that you need to do the work for. And you can't get that. Don't ask me, Is it? What language? It's a Java, Java, okay, how would I open JavaScript? No, no.

Arden Benner 12:26
I don't want to do this right now, because I have to think about it later. So don't even okay. It's literally been on my mind the whole week. I've asked four people who know how to use Java, and they also cannot help me. It's insane. You

Scott Benner 12:38
got to do a screen share with them so they can, just because they could probably just click, click right through it, I did. All right, listen, let's go back to green screening. All right, there are, let's see. First of all, you want to know why it's a green screen and not like, why is it not a blue screen or a red screen or a black screen?

Unknown Speaker 12:59
Are you asking me to guess? Yeah,

Scott Benner 13:03
because it's

Arden Benner 13:05
a color that's most infrequently worn by people so they can use it more often.

Scott Benner 13:11
Green is used because digital cameras are more sensitive to green, allowing for a cleaner removal with less noise. It also stands out better against most subjects as green is not a common clothing or skin color. Pardon? You got some of that one that's exciting. I can I be honest with you when you made that answer, I thought, what an idiot. There's no way that's right. All right, sorry about that. Blue screens are used sometimes, particularly when the subject is wearing green, or if there's a lot of green in the scene, like filming in a forest, for example. So blue and green seems to be how it goes the process a green screen works by using a technique called chroma keying, which allows video producers. She already heard of that before. You know what this is, I think. So it allows video producers to remove a specific color, usually green or blue, from a video or image, and replace it with another background or scene. Here's how it works, huh? Well, I think we know how it works, right? You stand in front of a screen and then, like I've used to use it in Photoshop, because if you take a picture in front of a green screen, you can just do the select, all the green, cut it out, then clean up the edge, and boom, you have it. But I guess it's doing that digitally. Now for video, also, I know that lighting is really important, because I do have a green screen, and when I put it up behind me, if I don't bottom light the screen, I get a green glow around me sometimes, which is not healthy looking. What? Not healthy looking? Yeah, I look like, it looks weird. Like my hair looks like, like in between my hair follicles looks green. If I'm not well lit, didn't you didn't use the right word, yeah, I apologize. Proper lighting is crucial to ensure that the green screen is evenly lit with no shadows or variations color. This makes it easier for the software to identify and remove the green color. All right, the color is keyed out, meaning it's made transparent. Okay? So during post production, video editing, software analyzes the footage, identifies the green screen, the green color in the background, it's keyed out, which means that it's made transparent, effectively removing it from the image. The software then replaces the green areas with the new background, which could be anything from a different location to an entirely computer generated screen. Huh? There are limitations to it, etc. But you said, what? Again, the system does it. That's what I just said, Yes. Do you ever worry that you don't understand how anything works? Yeah,

Arden Benner 15:45
and then I look at people who are complete idiots, and they understand a lot less than I do, and I think I'm completely fine.

Scott Benner 15:51
So I don't know how a green screen works, but this person doesn't understand what anything so. So I'm so you're not trying to be the best. You're just trying to beat the ones you can beat easily, not trying to beat anyone. I'm just feeling comfortable with it,

Arden Benner 16:09
all right. And there are some things that I am better at than other people. Oh, for certain

Scott Benner 16:14
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Arden Benner 17:19
No, I don't know what they are, but there's some stuff. Do

Scott Benner 17:24
you ever have that feeling when, like, you do something like, Oh, I'm really good at this.

Arden Benner 17:28
Sometimes when I talk to people, I'm just, like, thinking. I'm like, Oh, I can. I don't know if they can think.

Scott Benner 17:35
What tells you that about them, like, what makes you question somebody's brainpower, like, thinking ability,

Arden Benner 17:41
everything you know what quote I most definitely agree with, I disagree with. Don't judge a book by its cover because I, in fact, judge a book by its cover

Scott Benner 17:49
constantly. How often are you right?

Arden Benner 17:52
I like, I like, not like 70% of the time, but like i i always judge a book by its cover. How do I how do I phrase this? None of this makes me sound good.

Scott Benner 18:08
Oh, cancel me. I'll say something that doesn't make me sound good, if you want but finish your thought first.

Arden Benner 18:15
I don't even know how I can finish my thought, but

Scott Benner 18:17
like, how about you just now i You're gonna make fun of me here. I reject the idea that seeing people and assessing them means you're being judgmental.

Arden Benner 18:33
I don't think that means you're being judgmental, but you are judgmental, but I don't think I am. There's a certain way that you can go about seeing someone and like analyzing them and not being judgey, but you do not have that like you will be judgmental every single time. Okay,

Scott Benner 18:53
hold on a second. If you make a snap judgment based on someone's appearance, background or other superficial characteristics, it can be unfair and judgmental. Do I do that snap decisions based on their appearance, background or other super superficial characteristics? You see me doing that

Arden Benner 19:10
every single time, okay, all right, but

Scott Benner 19:14
is it not important what you do with it? Then what do I mean? If I look up and I see something happening, I make an assessment about it. I think because I'm trying to protect myself or understand my surroundings or whatever, it's not like I would look at someone make a judgment and then walk up to them and go, Hello, I've judged you as this. I just wanted to let you know, and if I had to deal with that person in a real life situation for whatever reason, and I don't mean deal in like a pejorative way. I just meant if I had an interaction with them, I would not treat them poorly based on my assessment, that I know for sure. So am I judging them? Yeah,

Arden Benner 19:53
I'm not saying that you would treat them poorly, but you definitely treat them differently than other people. You

Scott Benner 19:58
think 100% I don't feel like that. I feel like maybe we talk like that privately, special.

Arden Benner 20:03
You're not special. That's everyone is like that. I'm like that. Everyone who's listening to this is like that. They will treat someone differently, and they don't even mean to do it. It's just how our brains work.

Scott Benner 20:14
Okay, this is the point I'm trying to get to. So it also says when it's unkind or dismissive, assessing people becomes judgmental when it turns into criticism, mockery or disdain. I don't disdain. I don't have this criticism to who though to them?

Arden Benner 20:28
Yeah, Dad, you're judgmental. You think everyone is? Yeah, everyone's a little judgmental.

Scott Benner 20:33
Because I was talking to somebody about this the other day, and they said, I think it's just a human condition, like, I don't think it's I don't think it's necessarily bad. I just think it's, oh, here it is. Is everyone judgmental? Yes, to some extent, everyone is judgmental because it's a natural part of being human.

Arden Benner 20:49
All right, stop using chat GTP, and use your brain for a second. How about that? Okay, try that out.

Scott Benner 20:54
Well, I think that. I mean, I guess that's what I think, what I said at the beginning, which is, like, you assess everything that's going on, and you have to slot it into where it fits, commiserate to your past experiences, right? So I don't know

Arden Benner 21:10
what you're saying right now. What I'm saying is that you're judgmental. I'm judgmental. Everyone is judgmental, but you are more so judgmental than other people. You are more critical, more this, more that.

Scott Benner 21:23
Have you ever seen me say something to a person? No, right? Yes, people we know or like strangers, no strangers. I've approached a stranger and been judgmental to them when all the

Arden Benner 21:38
time you're not your internet personality. Wait, no, no, I

Scott Benner 21:40
don't even understand what you're saying. Hold on a second. Hold on a second. I feel like you've made this up. So please, crazy, give me a time when I've approached a

Arden Benner 21:49
I don't think you want me to give a time. You

Scott Benner 21:54
actually can think of one. I can think of a handful. Give me just like a smattering around the edges so I can hear it and think of like, what it is. No,

Unknown Speaker 22:03
I'm not gonna say that on here, really. Yeah. Okay.

Scott Benner 22:08
So for my dollar, for my money, I think you're right. I think that everybody makes assessments right, and you are judging things, meaning that you assess something and then you slot it into your experiences. So I don't like something like, how green is something right? Like, it doesn't even have to be a person like, oh, that's the greenest thing I've ever seen. It's lighter, like, I've seen greener than that. You are making a judgment every time you see something that I understand. So if you do that about another person, if you look at somebody, go, Oh, you look dirty. Let's just say that, right? Like, you just look like you have not had a shower in a while. That assessment comes from how clean I've seen people and how dirty I've seen people in life. You're a dirty person. You look dirty. I see you five days in a row. You're always dirty. Okay,

Arden Benner 22:53
to me, to me being judgmental is if you said to that person, oh, you're dirty, and then after that, you treat that person differently because you just you think that they're dirty.

Scott Benner 23:08
I reject again that I would ever say to that person, stop saying.

Unknown Speaker 23:12
I reject, not in court. I

Scott Benner 23:13
reject your assertion that I would ever say, Oh, you look dirty, that I would go up to a person I didn't know and say, Oh, my God, you look dirty? I wouldn't do that. You've said that to me

Arden Benner 23:23
before.

Scott Benner 23:24
I know you. I'm trying to help you. This is ridiculous. Okay, no, I think this is about I think I think people hear this and I agree. Go ahead.

Arden Benner 23:33
You are not judgmental. You're the least judgy person. I don't think I'm

Scott Benner 23:36
the least judgy person of anybody. I do. I listen. I will say this. I pay attention to everything around me, and it's to a degree that I don't even understand.

Arden Benner 23:45
I actually have a theory that I pay more attention than you do.

Scott Benner 23:49
Oh yeah, go ahead.

Arden Benner 23:50
I'm like, I think in our family, I'm the most observant person.

Scott Benner 23:54
Are you the most judgmental?

Arden Benner 23:55
I'm up there. But I don't think I am. I think you are. It's not mom. Mom is only judgmental to certain groups of people. She's mean when she's judgmental too. Yeah, she's she's a mean, judgmental person. Cole's not even judgmental. He's just

Scott Benner 24:13
Cole's assessing everything constantly, but like so here's an example. When you and I drive down the street together, like a highway. Would you say that you as many people as you physically can? Do you look at their face when you're driving by them?

Arden Benner 24:29
I used to when I was younger, and I don't anymore. Don't

Scott Benner 24:32
anymore. I don't do it as much as I used to, but I used to like see every person that I drove. You do

Arden Benner 24:37
it. You do it all the time. Still, it's not conscious. You will lean over in your seat to see the person next to you, but Yeah, and look at that. No, I'm telling the truth. Okay, this is like, what? Like, what are we even fighting about here? Like,

Scott Benner 24:56
I'm just correct. I'm just trying to understand. Like, I don't understand. Like, okay. Okay, like, so use this as an example. We're driving. I don't know why I do it. We're driving, and I make icon like, I know I look at everybody because I want to assess, like, what's happening. No? Because you're competitive on the road, you think I feel like I'm beating them,

Arden Benner 25:19
yeah? You feel like you're beating every single person you pass on the road. I

Scott Benner 25:23
feel like I'm making a composite of like, when I see how a car's driving, I kind of look at how the car drives. Is it erratic? Is it fast? Is it whatever? Is it to one side? What kind of car is it? And then Who Do I See driving it, and then I feel like the next time I see a car doing that, I look to see if the person looks like the person I expect them to look like. Okay, well, back to chatgpt for a second. There are reasons why people make judgments, survival instincts, social navigation and decision making. We constantly assess and judge to make choices, from small ones like which movie to watch, to bigger ones, like who to befriend or trust. We often judge people's expressions, tones, behaviors, to understand their emotions and tensions, or if they're trustworthy. This helps us form relationships, cooperations and to build trust. And our ancestors needed to make quick judgments about their surroundings to survive. Is this person a threat? Is it safe to eat? And that instinct persists today. So what I'm hearing is, you are safer because you're with me, and I'm paying attention to a lot of stuff also, as you're trying to, like, put point this at me, you and I notice the same thing about everything we do. We have different

Arden Benner 26:40
reasons for looking what we do with that information is different. I'll

Scott Benner 26:44
do anything with the information. What do you think I'm doing? Like I'm making a list.

Unknown Speaker 26:47
I think you're judging.

Scott Benner 26:49
Well, what are you doing? Then, if I'm judging, what are you doing?

Arden Benner 26:53
I think I'm more So analyzing a person. So I'm, like, aware of my surroundings, and I know what's going on, but you also do that, but you, your main focus is like to judge a person.

Scott Benner 27:06
You are so full of shit right now, you don't even understand. So you think when you do it, it's for good, when I do it, it's for bad. I

Arden Benner 27:12
didn't say it was for good or for bad assets, for different reasons,

Scott Benner 27:15
but your reasons better than mine. If that's what you think, I don't think that. I think that's what you're saying. Well, if

Arden Benner 27:22
you don't think that, then it's not true. You don't have to agree with me. See, you're you're competitive right now I'm gonna crack my

Scott Benner 27:27
back. Could not hear it on the microphone. What a letdown. It says here that a judgment is a neutral or constructive assessment based on observation, evidence and experience. Being judgmental is negative bias or unfair evaluations often based on superficial factors, stereotypes and limited information. I gotta be honest. I think everyone's judgmental, and I think everyone doesn't think they're judgmental. Here's how you can make judgments without being judgmental. Stay open minded. I am open minded. Why would you laugh like that? I'm incredibly open minded. I seek understanding. I'm always asking questions. Check my biases, practice empathy. I am empathetic. Now, I asked it a new question. This is about you. Why would one person see themselves as less judgmental than others? And it has some opinions about you. I mean, the question, hold on a second.

Arden Benner 28:19
I think it's it's so telling that you can't come up with these answers using your own brain. That's what I think. And I'm judging you. Some people have a self perception how i i openly say it.

Scott Benner 28:34
Some people have a self perception bias, which is a thing that happens more with younger people than older people too.

Unknown Speaker 28:42
If anyone has that, it's

Scott Benner 28:43
you. I think we all have that. I wouldn't say I don't have that,

Arden Benner 28:47
but you have it to the highest degree. Can we get? Can we phone mom?

Scott Benner 28:52
No, that lady should not be allowed to talk about that. She's you know? Why? Because she's gonna agree with me. Very judgmental.

Unknown Speaker 29:00
Miss Cole home. No,

Scott Benner 29:03
I don't. I'm not. I only have two microphones, so, uh, so he so he's in his room, is what I'm hearing. So there's a self serving bias, there's personal values and beliefs. If someone strongly values fairness, compassion or not, non judgment, they may actively strive to avoid being judgmental. I don't avoid being judgmental. I don't think you definitely don't avoid it. So this is the also, by the way, social comparisons, cognitive blind spots, different definitions of being judgmental, experience and empathy, mindfulness and self reflection. This is where I think most people differ on this. I'm being serious now, different definitions of being judgmental. I'm gonna tell you that I 1,000,000% genuinely do not think I'm judgmental in the way that it's meant when you say you're judgmental. Yes, I look at people, events, situations, everything, and I'm constantly slotting it in my mind based on what I've seen before. And. I do make a lot of decisions based on that, but I do not and would not hold somebody back, treat somebody poorly, say something to someone's face based on any of that stuff. You know what? You're definitely not self aware. Self aware so but I've had this conversation recently in a group of people, and I have to tell you that, generally speaking, in that conversation, men, what

Unknown Speaker 30:27
were you in a research I do,

Scott Benner 30:29
I do research. I get in groups and I talk men, I find don't see this as judgmental. Women see it more as being judgmental. And what if that's because I'm in my heart not being judgmental, and in your heart you are being judgmental. So you put it on me. This isn't what Jesus meant to happen. What did Jesus mention? What do you think Jesus meant to happen? I've never met him, but he didn't. He didn't want us to talk about being judgmental. I

Arden Benner 31:00
just hear here's how we'll sum this up. You're wrong, and I'm you're like, not wrong about anything other than the fact that you are judgmental. And I openly say I'm judgmental,

Scott Benner 31:12
but I'm saying I think everyone is like, I think everyone's doing what you're describing you.

Arden Benner 31:16
You are the type of person to see someone, and as soon as you judge them, the words come

Scott Benner 31:21
out of your mouth. I'm just doing a podcast out loud for just the people who are around me. No, that's not true. No, I believe it is. And I think this is where the difference lies in the interpretation I actually make a I have a list of things that I talk about with a therapist on the podcast, and I'm gonna add this to that list. Actually, hold on a second. Let me find my Erica list right now. Add a couple days of this to that list. Sometimes we do serious about them. Wait. You publish them online the list. No, your therapist

Unknown Speaker 31:51
sessions.

Scott Benner 31:53
It's not she's not my therapist. She's a therapist that comes on the show and you talk to her about what's wrong with you. No, we talk about big ideas, and I'm open during those conversations, much like I'm being with you right now.

Arden Benner 32:05
Well, you should go to her privately.

Scott Benner 32:06
I don't think she I don't think she can see me as a therapist and do my podcast with me. Is that true? I don't know. I can ask her, but probably not. I mean, she probably wouldn't want to. Also, I'd have to see her remotely. And I don't think she can see people from New Jersey for insurance reasons. This is not the point. The point is this. I think what this conversation comes down to is the definition of what being judge judged means. And if I'm talking about somebody in the privacy of my car and they cannot hear me, I am not making a judgment about them. A judgment completely disagree judgment happens when they become aware of it.

Arden Benner 32:43
I completely disagree with you. Okay,

Unknown Speaker 32:46
I respect that.

Scott Benner 32:47
I know that I'm on one side of the other of that argument. I think a lot of people would say that, yeah, I'm not being judgmental, and they don't even know what I'm saying. It's almost like, this is I really don't think anyone would wait. I almost like, I think I'm gonna get myself in trouble, but like, I think of that like it's the same way I think of online bullying. If no one sees you saying it, you're not being bullied. So if someone comes online, and trust me, this happens to me. So if someone comes online,

Arden Benner 33:13
there's a complete difference between bullying and being judgmental, because you are still bullying a person online, they have not been bullied. If they don't see what you said about them, right? You are still judging a person. They just don't know that they have been judged. So

Scott Benner 33:36
for what I'm telling you is, is that I think it's an assessment. It would become a judgment if I made them aware of it. That's my thought process on this. Okay? Arden, one. Scott, zero. It's an assessment. If you make it privately, or if you share it with like close family or something like that, I'm assessing the situation. I'm not being judgmental of them, unless I put it on them, and my intention is to change them, shame them, make them feel bad or make them feel judged. That's how I think of it. I'm being serious, like I know my heart, like I don't feel poorly towards people. I am not a person who runs around like, being like, Oh, what a scumbag. Or I can't believe they did that they should, you know, whatever, I don't have feelings like that about people, and I think that a lot of people I do, but I think a lot of people get into situations that have nothing like that aren't their fault, but it's still their situation, and to discuss it honestly isn't being judgmental. That's all. That's where I'm at on this one. Look at we started slow, but we finished well, it's excellent. Thank you. Are you having fun? Are you glad I bought you a nice microphone to take to college?

Arden Benner 34:51
No, I don't. This is just space taken. Yeah,

Scott Benner 34:55
you sound terrific, though. This is going to be great. Rob appreciates it when he's editing, for sure. Yeah, we know what I've been really into. Go ahead, we have time, planters, cocktail peanuts.

Unknown Speaker 35:13
Why have you been really into planters

Scott Benner 35:14
cocktail peanuts?

Arden Benner 35:17
I think it's just because they've been on my desk. So when I'm hungry and I don't want to get up. That's the only option I have.

Scott Benner 35:23
Other carbs and peanuts, there's not right, just fat. Is that fat joke? No, it's a question about if you could, you turn those around and tell me if there's a carb count in that, that's a joke. In 35

Unknown Speaker 35:37
pieces, there's five carbs.

Scott Benner 35:39
Oh my gosh. To me, that that means, no, yeah. Does that mean to me? I'm not bolusing for that. So let's move on to the next topic. Do you think it like, Is it touching your blood sugar that I literally don't care what else they're high in calories due to their fat content, portion control is key if you're trying to manage your weight. A typical serving size is about one ounce, and that is 28 grams. Did you know that their heart their heart healthy, niacin, magnesium, antioxidants, and regular consumption of peanuts has been associated with the reduced risk of heart disease,

Arden Benner 36:21
yeah. So that's why i That's why I take them.

Scott Benner 36:26
Are you sure? But so how did that happen? You're just like, have a hankering for a peanut one day, and then the next thing, you know, you just bought a big jug of them.

Arden Benner 36:34
No, I was just sitting here, you know, like when you're hungry, and you're like, I'm hungry, but I don't want to feel fat when I eat,

Scott Benner 36:40
so I picked them those up. Nice to get them at the target.

Unknown Speaker 36:45
Yeah, nice. Actually, they have a package

Scott Benner 36:48
in the mail waiting for me. Yes, you you ordered snacks through Amazon. Do you want to know what they are? They're popcorn, Indiana movie theater, butter. Oh, so good. I've been waiting for that Nissan top ramen bowl noodles. Yes, that's what's down there waiting for you right now. It looks like you're waiting on, oh, also you have arriving today, Nature Valley, s'mores, Chewy, dipped granola bars. That's good because

Arden Benner 37:17
my other granola bars are running out. I need them for my morning classes, so I leave before the dining halls open.

Scott Benner 37:23
Also, it looks like Keebler fudge stripe cookies minis have arrived. Oh, my

Unknown Speaker 37:29
God,

Scott Benner 37:33
you got on the fudge stripe bandwagon when we were on vacation. Oh, no, those were the other Keebler cookies. Yeah, but they don't sell them on Amazon. You can't get those. Which ones? What are they called? El fudge. El fudge. Can't get el fudge on Amazon. What a bummer.

Unknown Speaker 37:51
Don't worry, I checked, tried

Scott Benner 37:53
all the spellings, did you because I just found on Amazon right now. No, you didn't. I did el fudge while they're insanely overpriced, but they're here. If you buy them on Amazon, I'll be upset. They're like, it's a shakedown price. Maybe

Arden Benner 38:08
that's why I couldn't find them. Maybe the the internet was like, definitely don't this is

Scott Benner 38:13
a no. This is from the Keebler store. Two packages of El fudge, double stuffed sandwich cookies. So 12 to 12 ounce packages. How much? Guess $24.16, I would never I mean, isn't that like, I think $4

Arden Benner 38:33
I don't think so. Or, like, seven bucks, I

Scott Benner 38:35
think, Wait, what's happening? Are you sure? Here's one? El fudge originals, 15 ounce packages, six packages, six packages of them, $45 who's eating all those cookies? Me,

Unknown Speaker 38:54
why do you love the yellow percent? Me, why

Scott Benner 38:56
do you love the El fudge? So much. So good.

Unknown Speaker 39:00
It's so good.

Scott Benner 39:01
It has one review. It says yummy.

Unknown Speaker 39:05
Correct. That's all it needs.

Scott Benner 39:09
Oh my gosh. So how do you think this one? This is our first time ever recording

Unknown Speaker 39:13
remotely like this. I don't know. Do you hear my AC again?

Scott Benner 39:16
I don't you're a little far from the microphone, though you're killing me with that. Hello. Thank you. This was nice, man, I got to see you. I don't you should get to see you like this, well lit.

Unknown Speaker 39:26
I literally call you all the

Scott Benner 39:28
time, I know, but the FaceTime doesn't feel as clean as this does. I think you look like you're in a more stable image when you're sitting here. Are you alright? What's going on you uncomfortable? Is your is your lady time coming? No, but it won't come. It won't arrive. And I have shin splints. You've shin splints from walking around campus. Had

Arden Benner 39:51
it so bad. But I'm not like, I'm not on athletics, just like everyone gets them walking up these hills. You

Scott Benner 39:58
say that people are going to figure out. We are. No, they're not. If I get an email, it says, I know where your daughter is, because she said she had to walk up a hill. I'm going to be stunned, but it could happen. All right, well, I think this is good. So we have three of these recorded already. This is our fourth one. We're going to record every week. We are going to go through our list though. All right, our I don't understand list, oh yes, because we love our list, expansive foam, processed food. How stocks work. Are laughter and yawning contagious? You don't think we should do two party political system? The election's coming up.

Arden Benner 40:40
How to crickets? Anything I just said I was sleepy.

Scott Benner 40:43
Booming. Why? No, we got to get you when you're not sleeping. Is there a better time that we could get this set up when you wouldn't be asleeping? Being serious, we did it at three o'clock. Should we have done it at a different time? I don't know, but here's the thing, unrelated, I'm gonna

Arden Benner 40:58
get my eyebrows on when I come home this weekend. I'm so excited. I

Scott Benner 41:01
can't believe you're actually coming home just for a birthday party. Well, it's also

Arden Benner 41:05
the last time. This is what I was trying to tell you before you hung up on me. San on Friday night, Sanj will still be home, and then I'm gonna grab Nadia on the way home, and then Liv will be home, and it's the last time that all of us can see each other before Christmas. Okay.

Scott Benner 41:20
Well, that's a nice that's why. Yeah, so you come home, you got you guys can all see each other, and then, because

Arden Benner 41:24
the last time I saw Liv, or the last time all of us were together, was like a week before we left for vacation,

Scott Benner 41:34
yeah, okay, so you're gonna make the drive so everybody can can get together one more time. Yeah, nice. All right, I think we've done good here. Thank you very you very much. You feel good. Is there anything you want to finish with? Anything you need to add? Does anyone on here

Arden Benner 41:50
understand computer programming? If so, please contact me. I will give you my information. You're

Scott Benner 41:55
looking for someone who understands JavaScript. I'm looking

Arden Benner 42:00
for someone who wants to make a

Scott Benner 42:04
couple bucks a day doing your computer programming homework,

Arden Benner 42:07
yeah, it has absolutely nothing to do with what I want to do with my life, and I just, I need someone to get me out of this. Thank you. I

Scott Benner 42:14
still don't understand why you got put in it.

Unknown Speaker 42:15
I don't have to take a class like that. Apparently,

Scott Benner 42:18
I think you're gonna figure it out.

Arden Benner 42:19
I'm very confused, because it says that we have a recitation in a lab, but I'm only signed up for a recitation. So am I supposed to be signed

Scott Benner 42:29
up for another class? You should find out. So you might not. I won't be doing that. You won't be finding out. I tried to get your parking permit fixed today. I pinged the guy again, just so you know, all right. And he said a lot. He said, he said, Nope, not today. Said, Hi, Scott, I forwarded your message to my senior manager to see if this is possible. Please note, we're still extremely busy with arriving students, he'll reach out to you shortly. So fingers crossed, maybe it'll maybe they'll have a spot.

Arden Benner 43:05
I put up the funniest post today on my private story on Snapchat, but no one laughed about it. Do you want

Scott Benner 43:10
to tell people what you did when you tried to put up a private post and made it public?

Arden Benner 43:16
No, but today on Snapchat, I had an airhead, and the flavor that I picked out, it was, it's called White mystery. And I put it up, and I said my stripper name, and no one laughed at it.

Scott Benner 43:29
No one thought that was funny. Absolutely no one, oh, that's your friends, yeah, and they didn't comment. Maybe they're busy. They're not they're not busy. You so can I? I'm gonna tell I'm gonna tell your story. Arden, so you tried to send a private Tiktok? No,

Arden Benner 43:47
I didn't try to do private anything. I just never gotten a single view on anything I've ever posted online in my entire life. And all of a sudden, 98,200

Scott Benner 43:58
views so far. Yeah, Courtney,

Arden Benner 44:01
how about the do you see the comment I sent you today,

Scott Benner 44:04
yes, from the person who was hooked on Yeah, that was

Arden Benner 44:08
me. That was me just trying to eat breakfast. After a philosophy class, I

Scott Benner 44:14
opened my phone, and that's there you shared with that person, and they were sharing back with you, yeah?

Arden Benner 44:18
Just, I don't really know what they want me to do with that information, but I

Scott Benner 44:22
don't awesome. Arden's just like, it's hard to like, I'm older now and I'm a transfer student, so it's like, harder like, am I supposed to, like, be friendly with people who are much younger than me? And it just it blew up. Like, she's got like, 100,000 views on it. But what was the Can I read the message that you got from the person. Go right ahead. It says, Hold on. Picture the bear. There's a bear in our neighborhood. I'm 22 going back to school after abusing fentanyl and going to prison.

Arden Benner 44:58
No, she said something before that, too. To like, make

Scott Benner 45:00
me feel worse. Oh, so it's pretty hard to relate. Yeah, someone's like, okay, all right, artists just like, am I supposed to make friends with younger people? So it's pretty hard to relate. I'm

Arden Benner 45:14
Oh, I see everyone in the comments is absolutely sht all over me. I don't know what I've done to make them upset, but it is insanity. Do you think

Scott Benner 45:23
it's possible that 18 year olds feel that you're judging them? Apparently,

Arden Benner 45:27
also, I was in my psych class today, and it's mostly freshmen, and she said something like, So where were you guys? 2020, when covid happened? And you know what? They all went eighth grade. And I was like, Uh oh. What I looked at? Sitting next to me. I was like, You're in eighth grade. And she was like, yeah. I was like, oh my god,

Scott Benner 45:50
i By the way, I wish this person luck. Sounds like they've kicked the offense and all and and they're back out. Like, among the, among those of us who are not incarcerated, I think good for them. I think maybe they can, you know, make a difference for themselves this time. I don't know why they're telling a stranger on Tiktok, but yeah, well,

Arden Benner 46:08
they seem mad at me that I didn't have a fentanyl problem. So I was like, All right, it's interesting that you've taken care of it, but

Scott Benner 46:16
so this is interesting. We'll end on this. People speaking of judging. I do think people slot their experiences just like we've been talking about it, and you see it a lot in diabetes, people will say, like, I don't want to hear you complain about this, because I have that right. So ridiculous and stupid always like, my things worse than your thing. Also,

Arden Benner 46:37
I wasn't complaining at all. No, I

Scott Benner 46:40
didn't think you are. I was just like, oh, like, Is it weird as

Arden Benner 46:45
a, like, a adult, because your mindset is completely different when you're, like, newly 18 entering college, versus been in college for like, three years, yeah, no, I know. And I'm like, what these is? This is who I'm surrounded by. Like, is this odd? Like, what should I be doing? And everyone's like, I had a fentanyl problem. You'll be okay. And I'm like, Okay.

Scott Benner 47:06
Well, even when you see people do the like, you know, you think they're babies. You're a baby. I'm 24

Unknown Speaker 47:15
and I saw like, Oh my God, I don't care, but,

Scott Benner 47:17
but first of all, you weren't saying they were like, you weren't. You were just saying, like, we have differences now. But that's my point. Is that everybody comes in, makes an assessment, slots it in a line, and then decides, are you being like? They use how they feel to decide what you're saying. I

Arden Benner 47:32
love the people who are like. The fact that you have to ask this question shows your maturity level and your social skills, and I'm like, what

Scott Benner 47:41
I 100% have made

Arden Benner 47:43
friends with some of these people. I'm completely capable of doing it. I'm asking you, is this a little weird? Because it feels a

Scott Benner 47:50
little weird because they're so much younger, they feel a lot younger than you Yeah, they're

Arden Benner 47:54
like, you know, experiencing going to parties and this and that, and like, living on their own for the first time, and I'm just like, oh God, all right. I was talking to my friends, and I was like, guys, I don't think I can, like, go out past 8pm anymore, and every single one of them was like, I know, because the

Scott Benner 48:14
kids are crazy, the younger ones are crazy, and you feel old, or you just

Arden Benner 48:18
feel them being crazy. I just feel I'm just like, my like, I'm so tired by that point, I'm like, in the dining hall grabbing food and getting ready

Scott Benner 48:27
for bed, getting ready for bed, and they're like, 10 hours from now I'm gonna go out. Yeah, I'm like, Oh my God. All right, so here's what's gonna happen. We're gonna say goodbye, and then I have one more thing to ask you that's private that we don't want these people to hear. So hold on. You want to say goodbye? I don't

Arden Benner 48:46
understand the point of saying goodbye, if they'll see me again in the next episode.

Scott Benner 48:49
All right, then we won't say it.

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#1332 Sausage on a Stick

Andy had to figure out diabetes on her own.

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Scott Benner 0:00
Welcome back, friends to the juicebox podcast.

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Andy 2:24
Hey, y'all. My name is Andy. We're from North Texas. My daughter, Lorelai has type one diabetes and celiac

Scott Benner 2:29
disease. Have we rescheduled this a number of times? No, we haven't. Your name reminds me of someone else's name then

Andy 2:38
you called us on Christmas.

Scott Benner 2:41
Oh, that's part of the reason, not the complete reason. Though I feel like it's been on my schedule forever. How long have we had this booked

Andy 2:47
for? I think I booked it in September of last year. Oh, wait,

Scott Benner 2:53
October, November, December, January, February, March, April. That was eight months ago. Jeez, I'm embarrassed for you know what? I'm not it's an embarrassment of riches. Let's call it that, that it takes so long to get on the show. Where do you find out it takes six more months for it to come

Andy 3:08
out? Oh, yeah, I know my husband thought this was live. He was like, Oh, are we gonna get to watch this? When I get home from work tonight, like, No, dude, you're gonna be lucky if it comes out in six months. Yeah.

Scott Benner 3:17
You gotta stay alive and healthy if you want to see this. This is like a Star Wars movie. You gotta willfully be alive for the next one. Okay. Andy, it's funny. So you have, let's see a child with type one diabetes. Yes. Lorelei, yes. And she is how old

Andy 3:35
she is about to be six. She will be six in June.

Scott Benner 3:38
Okay, how old was she when she was diagnosed, it was

Andy 3:41
just she was two. She was like, a week before her second birthday.

Scott Benner 3:45
Okay, the name is from the TV show or no, yes, and tell people

Andy 3:53
about six months after she was born. My husband's best friend sent me a Facebook message with a link to a song called Lorelei from the band clutch with a message attached. I think it's awesome that you named your daughter man eater. There's the PSA to everybody. Make sure you know what you're naming your children before you name them. Because Lorelei sounds like a beautiful name, but if you look up the the meaning behind it and the folklore or the Rhine River in Germany. It's not as, uh, pretty. It's

Scott Benner 4:24
not as much fun. But what TV show Am I thinking of? It's Gilmore Girls. I

Andy 4:28
make Gilmore Girls junkie.

Scott Benner 4:30
That's fine. I know a lot of ladies who are, don't worry, and a few guys, if I'm being honest, hey, that's awesome. Those guys are usually drug into it by a lady. But nevertheless, it's fine. I've avoided it. That's one I've that's one I've dodged. I dodged those and singing competitions.

Andy 4:47
Oh yeah, my mom and my sister into the singing competitions and like, the tattoo competition shows. I don't really watch those.

Scott Benner 4:53
I did love the glass blowing one on Netflix. I watched. Like, a full two, like, I feel like I watched two seasons of it, then it came out again. I turned it back on. I was like, Oh, I'm done with this. And I just completely didn't care after that, I

Andy 5:08
think we watched some of that. My husband does blacksmithing stuff as a hobby. He's a he's been a pharmacy tech for God, 21 years with a big box retail store. He took that up just as just something fun to do, and we watched that. What? It's a show. It's like fire and something that they do a blacksmithing competition.

Scott Benner 5:29
I think I've heard of it. Yeah, forged in fire. Oh, yeah, you're Yeah, you're exactly right. So he is a, what does he do for a living? He's

Andy 5:38
a pharmacy technician. He's a manager of the store that he works at,

Scott Benner 5:42
and it is free time. He makes horseshoes and other things like that. No,

Andy 5:46
he makes knives and swords, and he's an avid hunter. He does draw hunts. Him and his best friend and their family sign up for draw hunts in the state of Texas, and if you get picked, you go on random hunts. And he's been to the Lubbock area to hunt mule deer, and he was just down, I know I'm gonna say it wrong. It's down by the Mexican border to hunt Gator for manage, like wildlife management. And he just brought home an 11 foot, 348 pound alligator. What

Scott Benner 6:19
will you be doing with that eating a day. Imagine, yes, okay, yep, it's,

Andy 6:23
it's all processed in our freezer. And, you know, lorela has celiac, so there's a lot of things that we can't just go eat, because most restaurants don't, don't make that stuff gluten free. So when he gets a hold of an animal like this, like we'll have a big Gator fry, we'll do gator tail, and she'll have her own little gluten free plate.

Scott Benner 6:42
Well, it's lovely. I've had Gator nuggets. Yeah, before. They were not bad. They weren't exactly like people are like, it's like chicken. And then I bit, I was like, have you had chicken? This isn't exactly like chicken, but, but I didn't dislike them. Has he ever done or applied to be in one of those hog hunts? Because there aren't wild hogs like a real problem in Texas. Yeah,

Andy 7:05
pretty much if you have a lease or you have somebody that gives you permission to go on their property, I think hogs are year round because they're so overrun. It's just like coyotes, they're so overrun, and they they mess with livestock too. So interesting. That's those are kind of free game

Scott Benner 7:21
interesting. Okay, well, does he sell his knives?

Andy 7:24
No, it's just kind of hobby. He's made stuff for friends, like we run around with two of our friends that are married, and for their wedding, he made them His and Her knives, and he's made spears and stuff to do do some of his hunts. Let's

Scott Benner 7:40
hope they don't use those, his and her knives on each other when things get tough. I'm gonna make them listen to this now, what a story that would be like. Remember that lovely gift I gave them at their wedding? Well, one night, they got into a fight about 16 years later. Oh, they're not Canadian, though they're not Canadian, they won't stab each other. They'll, uh, Dear God, Canadians love to step Oh, that's just something I've heard. Alright, so I've spoken to you on the phone before. Yeah, briefly.

Andy 8:06
You posted something on Facebook. I think it's Christmas Eve 2023 post, post your information here, and I'll give you a call. I think we talked for like five minutes New Year's Eve. Maybe it's, yeah, New Year's, Oh,

Scott Benner 8:18
yeah. I get very bored on New Year's Eve. I hate it. It's like it feels New Year's Eve feels like a wasted day to me for some reason, because I don't drink and I don't care to sit up and watch Dolly Parton sing with someone else at midnight or whatever ends up happening, and so, but there's nothing to do because the world kind of closes down. Yeah. So I was like, I'm gonna call people from the podcast. Oh, I did that. How was I? Was I Okay, yeah,

Andy 8:47
it was great. Oh, well,

Scott Benner 8:48
you have to say great. But I just mean it wasn't like you didn't hang up the phone and then think, what a waste of time. We should not have done that. No. Oh, very nice. Okay, well, what makes you want to come on the podcast there, Andy, if you take insulin or Sulfonyl ureas, you are at risk for your blood sugar going too low. You need a safety net when it matters most, be ready with G Vogue hypopen. My daughter carries G voc hypo pen everywhere she goes, because it's a ready to use rescue pen for treating very low blood sugar in people with diabetes, ages two and above that, I trust low blood sugar. Emergencies can happen unexpectedly and they demand quick action. Luckily, jivo kypopen can be administered in two simple steps, even by yourself in certain situations. Show those around you where you store GEVO kypoped and how to use it. They need to know how to use GVO kypo pen before an emergency situation happens. Learn more about why GEVO kypo Pen is in Arden's diabetes toolkit at gvoke, glucagon.com/juicebox, gvoke shouldn't be used if you have a tumor in the gland on the top of your kidneys or. Called a pheochromocytoma, or if you have a tumor in your pancreas called an insulinoma, visit gvoke, glucagon.com/risk, for safety information. Really,

Andy 10:11
I just we're about 40, almost four years in, so June 17 of this year will make four years type one diabetes, and I feel like we've just moved so fast through all the information and all the technology, and just kind of sharing our experience with it, and also just, you know, no matter where you are in this journey, just maybe hearing that you can keep going, and kind of also reiterating the fact that groups like the juicebox podcast, that's where the hope lies. I think, our diagnosis, our story, my daughter's diagnosis story, it wasn't that traumatic. I don't think, I mean, it sucked, don't get me wrong. But it wasn't like she was moments from a coma or anything. But the overall, I guess, idea at the hospital is this is, is as good as it gets. Don't ask for more. I don't know if you've seen the movie, Forgetting Sarah Marshall, where Paul Rudd is telling Jason Siegel to pop up on the board, and then he does, and he's like, No, you're doing too much. Get down and he pop up on the board. He does it again, or he just sits there and he's like, No, you're not doing enough. Pop up on the board. That's what our hospital experience felt like. And I just, I've gained so much information and have been able to implement it that if I can, in turn, give back to at least one person with even just my voice, I'd love the opportunity to do it. Well,

Scott Benner 11:36
let's do that then. So you said you moved through technology very quickly. What does that mean?

Andy 11:42
So we did MDI for a year, about 13 months, six months into it is around the time that I found the podcast, and then simultaneously below carb group. And so I was using pre bolusing with lower carb foods, which allowed me it gave us a break. I feel like her sugars stayed notoriously in the four hundreds for the first six months. I mean, there was no there was just no break from it. And then we were just kind of damned if we do, damned if we don't, with long, lasting insulin, and that if I gave it to her at night, she'd tank if I gave it to her, if I didn't give it to her. Her blood sugar was 300 when she woke up. And so implementing a lot of the strategies from the Pro Tip series, bold beginnings and variables, and then the low carb community, it kind of gave me that time to practice with everything without it being intense. And then I was able to find I port because of the podcast Nice. So I jumped on that bandwagon. We actually got a call from Medtronic when Texas was in that apocalyptic freeze in 2021 I remember that. And I had a two year old new a two year old diabetic and a two month old newborn. My son, Eli, and we were at our neighbor's house because we were up without power for seven days. Oh, and Medtronic gave me a call, and they're like, Hey, we're ready to ship out your I port order. And I'm like, yes, yes, we need that. So going through using I port for about six, seven months, I was able to take some more information from the podcast and give the basal insulin in the morning, maybe an hour before we did her breakfast insulin, I was able to correct more and get her down to like an A 1c of 5.6 5.7 look at you. And then we moved to a pump. Had the same problems with the arrows pods that we did with MDI. She'd go to bed, go low. And it was probably two months of doing that that I jumped on the bandwagon with another person in the low carb community who has been a really big cheerleader for us to start DIY looping. And she helped us get started on that. From there, I haven't looked back. We we did the virtual machine, turning the windows computer into a max system. My husband did all of that, bless his heart. Then in 2023 they came out with browser build. And so then I painstakingly taught myself how to do that. It only took me four hours the first time.

Scott Benner 14:13
It's not bad, actually, I can't even take credit for doing it myself. I still lean on other people, I have to be perfectly honest. Yeah, I

Andy 14:21
messed it up so bad, and when we were building the caregiver app, because that was the one thing that I wanted for my daughter to go to kindergarten this year, was I'm not going to deal with the doctor's orders. You know? I know the doctors have to have some kind of system in place, and they can't have diabetics over here doing something and diabetics over here doing something else, and it can create chaos. I understand that, but their orders are conservative on the DMP, they don't want her corrected unless she's over 240 and they only want one correction every four hours. And I'm just like, man, nope. So we got help through the loop community. There's a. Moderator named Dan. I'm gonna give him a shout out, because he put up with me while we were trying to build the caregiver app. He was very gracious and kind. He's from Germany, and made time to to FaceTime me to actually get it all figured out. Well,

Scott Benner 15:13
when you say put up with you. Do you think, like, if he heard this right now, he'd be like, Oh, Andy, she was a pain in the ass, like, that kind of thing. Or no, no. He was

Andy 15:21
really, really nice. He was like, everybody thinks I'm like, a grumpy old man. He's like, he's really young. I think he's in his 20s. But if he doesn't have children, it's probably my fault, because both of my children decided to scream like banshees while I was on FaceTime with him, and it was nuts. Like, you want birth control call my house, because my two kids, as soon as I get on the phone, if they're here, it's like World War Three colors.

Scott Benner 15:45
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Andy 18:54
yeah, hold on one second. The nurse is texting me almost what? Almost lunchtime. Read

Scott Benner 19:00
the read the text out loud, if you will. Okay,

Andy 19:02
her blood sugar's 83 and the nurse is asking, I'll just give half of the insulin, right?

Scott Benner 19:08
What do you think

Andy 19:10
I'm telling her, Yes, give half. Okay, I have a series of alarms on my phone throughout the day. By the way. I'm not working home with my children, so for anybody that's working and it's like, God, how do you do all of this? Well, I I'm not. I don't have a job. I'm a bum. So her first alarm goes off at 1015 that lets me know lunch is coming up. 1045 that lets me know that, hey, if we've done a split bolus, I need to go back in and give her the rest of the insulin. 1145 that's just hey, check for fat and protein, and recess is coming up. See what her blood sugar is. We may need to turn her pump down. 1250 is, hey, we're going off to PE let's double check make sure pump is turned down, unless she doesn't need that. And then 145 is, Hey, make sure she's getting to the nurse for insulin, for snack. But as far as the low cost. Community, I was full force, low carb when it first, when I first started doing it, and it was just one meal at a time, one meal at a time. Practice it, see how it works. And the biggest difference for me was, if my kid isn't going to eat it, I'm not going to make her eat it. Okay, so we'll, we'll try it. But if it's something that she just won't eat, she's got to eat food I'm not going to, not going to break my neck trying to get her to eat something that she thinks tastes bad. So we started with like breakfast, like birch benders, waffles and sugar free syrup and things like that. And just really getting practicing the meal and getting the insulin dosing down and the timing down, and that works really great for probably six to eight months. And I mean, gosh, her her lowest, a 1c. Been a 5.2 but where it started changing flipping script on us was when she needed coverage for the fat and protein. And I didn't know how to do it. I attempted using the R insulin, the regular insulin that's just over the counter at the pharmacy, but there was really no method. And I say that loosely, because if you follow the low carb communities, you can figure out how to use it if you want to. But we had so many problems with basal insulin that the our insulin was kind of acting like that as well. She was going low, small body weight, right, right? Right. Yeah. She was 19 pounds when she was diagnosed. So by the time I started using insulin, she might have, or the R insulin, she might have been 23 pounds.

Scott Benner 21:27
Was there also a honeymoon in there. There was,

Andy 21:31
but again, it, it was very strange, because I felt like she just like, went full force into diabetes, to the point where a half unit of levemir was enough to put her in the 50s at night, but if you didn't give it, then she was three 400 when she woke up. Yeah, yeah, it's a tough time. We were just stuck between a rock and a hard place on MDI. Young

Scott Benner 21:52
kid still MDI, too much basil, one way, not enough basil the other way. But you're balancing a more lower carb lifestyle with the things you're hearing about on the podcast, and where does that lead to? So

Andy 22:07
that led us to finding out how to actually bolus for fat and protein without using our insulin, just because our insulin was just hard on her, just like the basal was. So we moved over to I just went back to the podcast, and I went to the search, the little search icon typed in fat and protein, and that led me to the episode, waltzing the dragon. And I, I listened to it. I'm like, Yes, this is exactly what I needed. This is what I was looking for. And I found that that protein calculator, and at first I started doing about 50% so like, I would type it all in, get that, what that carb count would be for the fat and protein, and then I would start giving her half, just to see how she would react to it. And then if I felt like she needed more, I would give that. But if I knew she was going to be super active, I'd only do the half, like the 50% once I got comfortable with insulin, just in and of itself, really just starting to say, You know what, hey, why don't we just try pre bolusing for dipping dots? Why don't we try pre bolusing for that little piece of cake or whatever? And it's taken a couple of years to really get me there. But fast forward to now. We went to her kindergarten field trip, and she had a low carb lunch. It was pre bolus for she did a lot of walking. Once we signed the kids out, me and my friend signed our daughters out. We went to the dipping dot stand. She got two units. We stood in line for 10 minutes. She sat down to eat her ice cream. She got three more units, and we walked out of the park and her blood sugar was 83 Yeah, well, you're good at this. Some days still suck, but that's just part of it. Yeah, no, it

Scott Benner 23:49
certainly is. And do you find that when it sucks, it's more of a learning experience than just a bad experience,

Andy 23:54
right? This whole week, she's been sick. She's had croup, so she's been out. I just got her back to school today. So sugar's been all over the place, and she thank god she's not been throwing up. Also, I'll take that. But as far as like, the fever, the cough that she's had, our diabetes week has been pretty hard. I think her average blood sugar's been like between 140 and 160 just trying to to keep everything together. And then she went to school this morning and threw a curve ball at me and didn't want to eat breakfast and ended up in the nurse's office with a blood sugar of 58 so we had to fix it

Scott Benner 24:29
so you bolus. And then she's like, No thank you. Yeah,

Andy 24:34
pretty much. I gave her a few grapes, and then we've kindergarten has turned into a one sees about a 5.9 right now, but she gets a lot of adrenaline the minute we walk out the door. And I know you've talked about this too, with Arden, we do a low carb breakfast, so ratio keto yogurt, but it's 15 grams of fat and 15 grams of protein that that converts into about two units for her. So I'll do the six, six carbs worth in the morning, pre bolus her that by about 15 minutes. Soon as she's done eating, I go ahead and hit her with the fat and protein. Okay, and then it really just depends on where her sugar's hitting. Sometimes, most of the time, she will go up and be 161 80 when we walk out the door, if I don't give her that adrenaline dose. So I kind of have to time that, essentially three units just to get us out the door in the morning, settings on loop or low carb. So we do kind of fight with that as well. I have to know how to dose for those higher carb foods with settings that are lower carb. But when we're at school, or it's a school day, breakfast, lunch, or typically low carb, and then at night, it's not a free for all when we come home. But if we're doing stir fry, she'll have rice. If we're doing pizza, we'll we'll make sure she's got pizza that she can eat that's gluten free. I'm just not going to send her to school with gluten free bread, like a gluten free peanut butter and jelly, because we have to dose two to three times more insulin for something that's gluten free than we do, than we would have if it was wheat.

Scott Benner 26:16
Yeah, the gluten a lot of gluten free foods just they hit harder, right? Their glycemic load is heavier, right? And so what you're saying is that for most of the time when you're doing low carb meals, you have a ratio set up in your system. You have a basal set up in your system. It all works well with low carb but if you start adding carbs, or some of that gluten free food that that is harder to hit you basically do what a conversion in your head. Or do you just, like, do eyeball it. How do you do it? Um,

Andy 26:49
so if she eats an Applegate corn dog, those are 22 carbs. And I've learned this from the podcast just doing a search too, just on the Facebook page about just high glycemic like rice flour. And all the all the celiacs on there going, Oh yeah, you have to double dose. Sometimes triple dose. And some of the celiacs are like, I don't understand. That doesn't hit me that way. And I'm like, oh, what? You're lucky. But so for a corn dog, I will, I will look at her blood sugar. Say her blood sugar is anywhere between 90 and 130 I will throw the corn dog in the air fryer. It's 10 minutes. I'll go ahead and dose her the two units for the corn dog. Then I'll pull it out, let it cool down. She's eating, excuse me, within 15 minutes, and when she sits down to eat, depending upon where her sugar is, I'll go ahead and hit her with 22 carbs, two more units. And then I'll put her pump. I have little settings. One of them is just called rice flour, and it's like 50% more. It just turns bloop up by 50% okay? And I'll hit that for an hour, and then she starts eating. And typically she falls anywhere between 121, 50 by the time she's eating it. Andy,

Scott Benner 27:59
you figured this stuff out with the podcast, the Facebook group and what else. Where did you get all this information from to pull together and to help you make your decisions? So the

Andy 28:09
juicebox podcast, let me be 83 there's one that was recommended to me via the juicebox podcast, and it's parent, I think it's called parents with celiac and type one. Let me look at the Facebook page real

Scott Benner 28:19
quick. That's amazing. That's fantastic. Actually, taking like references from different places and blending them together to do a thing that works for you. It's

Andy 28:28
called empowering parents of children with celiac disease and type one diabetes. What

Scott Benner 28:33
a title. I don't want to be. Jeez. Who named that one?

Andy 28:38
I don't know. I go there. Well, okay, so here's the deal. She was diagnosed with celiac through blood work a year after type one diabetes, so still the middle of covid, and they couldn't get her in to do a scope until, like October. They get her in, they do the scope, they see the damage. They're like, yes, go gluten free. So we go gluten free or so, I thought I see somebody post on that celiac page. What kind of meat sticks should I eat that are gluten free? This is, like, a year after the celiac diagnosis, and I'm going wait, what the the person that helped us with, you know, watch out for toothpaste. Watch out for shampoo. You know, you're going to have to start really reading labels to watch out for Sealy or to watch out for gluten. Gluten. Uh, nobody said anything about processed meats having gluten in them. And so for a year after we got the diagnosis of celiac, I was giving her Slim Jims as a snack. Oh,

Scott Benner 29:37
so you thought you were doing it, but you kind of still weren't, because there were some foods that you didn't realize had gluten in it, right?

Andy 29:44
And somebody posted on that celiac group, and it just popped up in my feed on Facebook, and I was sitting there laughing, and my husband goes, What's wrong? And I'm like, mother, ever God dang it. So it's always some. Thing. But yeah, it's just all the information I found. I just encourage anybody. I'm not going to tell you what to eat. When I first started the low carb journey with my daughter, I was all for it. Gung ho. Oh yes, you should do this. Why don't they teach us this in the hospital? I will say that the low carb community can be a bit like Mean Girls. On Wednesdays, they wear pink, and you definitely need to know how to use the insulin the the hospital's failure is in that they can't be there to babysit you or to teach you all of these little things. And so they just teach everybody the same thing, stay alive. And then I think the low carb community can kind of take it too far, and it gets a little bit where they're like proselytizing, how you say the word, yeah, that's the word. We all have to make our own decisions. There's, there's a ton of crap food out there, obviously. And you just take all the information for what it is, and it's totally okay to take something from one place and use it, and take something from another place and use it. I'm, I toe the line, so I'm not going to tell anybody what to do. Good for you. Just use the influence.

Scott Benner 31:07
I'm very impressed with your ability to not pick a side. Like to look and say, hey, there was good information in a lot of different places. Like, why do I have to put on a jersey for one of these teams and root against the other team,

Andy 31:20
all the, all the literature that's out there too. Dr Bernstein's diabetic solution. I mean, at the time he was diagnosed with type one diabetes, he was like 12 in the 40s. He did what he had to do to live better than what the doctors were telling him he he would be able to Yeah, 1,000,000% Yeah. I mean, there's a lot of you like, like, what you've done here in building the podcast. You walked so that people like me could run for my kid. Oh, that's nice of you to say. I mean, that's the ultimate gift, and that's we just had a fourth grader at my daughter's school diagnosed with type one diabetes, and I wrote the juicebox podcast down on a sticky note, and I slipped it over to the nurse. And I'm like, I know you probably won't, but you should give this to the parents.

Scott Benner 32:04
Oh, that's, that's very it's very nice you to say and, and I'm just again, I want to say I'm very impressed with your ability to blend ideas, especially in a culture now that, I mean, honestly, like, the way we get our I don't want to sound like a broken record here, because people say this all the time, even though I don't think I've ever said this year, but the way people get their news is obviously very algorithm centric, like you get fed things that you are going to agree with, right? And and so that's kind of part of that's a little bit of the problem. The other bit of the problem is, I do think people like to be on teams, right? They like to root for their side, root against another side. That happens as well. I have no problem in the world with people eating low carb. Like I've never once had a thought in my mind, like no one should do that. There are days and that go into more days that art needs low carb for reasons of just, you know, taste and flavor and what she decides she wants to eat one day. I wouldn't think twice about it, but I got, by some people, I think I got labeled as like a carb pusher, because I was saying, and will continue to say, you know, you need to meet the need. There's an amount of insulin that that your body needs. You need to use that amount of it at the right time. And for my money, that was me saying, I would rather people understand how insulin works and be able to apply it to what they're eating, than to spend my time trying to talk people into eating a certain way. Because I just don't think that's a tenable idea. I don't think that I or anyone else could talk everybody into eating us. Like, like, let's, I guess, let's say that there was an actual right way to eat. Like, I don't know, Jesus knows that he shares it all with us, or she, or whatever. I don't care. And like, so like, this, this absolutely, this, absolute right. These are the right things to eat. Eat this on Monday, this on Tuesday, this on Wednesday. You're gonna, you're gonna be as healthy as possible, like that was the right way to eat, even if it was that, I don't know that you could make everyone do it. I actually don't think you could. And so in the interim, let's not see people running around with 350 400 blood sugars because they make less than valuable choices with their food choice choices, right? And I'm not saying that it had to be, it has to be low carb. You can eat a, you know, a diet that has 50, 6070, carbs a day in it, and be eating healthier foods, but you still need to know how to bolus for it. You need to know how to bolus for a Twinkie the same way you need to know how to bolus for a sweet potato, you know what I mean? Or, you know, you have to understand that there's carbs and carrots like stuff like that, or that you might eat meat and having completely low carb lifestyle, but still see some sort of a bump from the protein later, right? All these things are going to happen. You should know how to use the insulin for them. Now after that, if you want to move on to another person or an idea or a book or a podcast and figure out a healthier way for you to eat, then God bless, you'll know how to use the insulin for that too. You know that that's it for me, having said that, I haven't had as much problem with it over the last couple of years as that I've as I've had in the past, it almost seems like people have calmed down a little bit, if that makes sense. So I don't know if maybe, I obviously don't know the other side of it. I'm not in anybody else's Facebook group. I don't pay attention to what they're doing in the world. I don't actually know what they're doing, but just everybody seems a little calmer at the moment. I don't know if that's me being wishful thinking or if that's actually true, but one way or the other, I'm impressed with how you handled it

Andy 35:44
well. Thank you. I just think that the catalyst for all of this was really me, just I was listening to the doctor. I was being dutiful. I was doing everything they were telling me to do, and it was a dumpster fire every day for six months. On top of having a toddler with type one diabetes, I was pregnant with my son, and the the turning point was a sausage on a stick. Gave her the sausage on the stick. I dosed like the doctor told me to within 20 minutes, her blood sugar was 400 and she stayed that way for like eight hours, and it was the most miserable day and experience we've had the sport far with type one diabetes, and she's had stays in the hospital due to stomach viruses since then, but that was the moment I decided I wanted more, and I wanted more for her. We couldn't keep living like this. The doctors were just not giving us the information, other than just teaching us how to survive. And my mother in law was pushing me to find some kind of group, and I was just very I was against the idea of a group where everybody does the same thing and everybody has high blood sugars and there's no real growth. I just assumed that if the doctors didn't know any better, how could anybody else know any better? And she had probably said to me for the millionth time, Andy, find a diabetes support group. And I said, Fine, I'll just look one up on Facebook. And I just typed in diabetes group, and here comes the juicebox podcast. And I'm looking through everything and reading, and I'm like, What can this guy know?

Scott Benner 37:18
Huh? I know, right. Seems like an idiot, but go ahead, yeah. But I started

Andy 37:23
listening. And you know, the dynamic between you and Jenny, you as a caretaker, her as living with it and and taking care and helping people who who live with it, it's just such a great dynamic. And the information is so easy to understand. You just have to take the time to actually, you have to devote some of your time to it. And I've listened to a lot of the podcast, not all of it, by any means what.

Scott Benner 37:49
I'm sorry this interview is over.

Andy 37:51
Okay, you've got a lot of episodes. You push an episode out every day. I'm trying to keep up, buddy. Hey, I'm

Scott Benner 37:58
trying to keep up too. Don't

Andy 37:59
worry. No, you're fine. So one of the first things I heard you say on one of the I cannot remember what the episode is, I'm not Nico. I don't remember everything.

Scott Benner 38:09
Do you think Nico's freaked out? They used her name on the podcast?

Andy 38:12
I don't know.

Scott Benner 38:14
Actually, can I let's hold your thought for one second. Sure. I keep thinking while you're talking, why are you not a group expert in my Facebook group?

Andy 38:25
I have no idea. Think about

Scott Benner 38:27
that. If that's the thing you'd like to do, I'd like you to do it, but go ahead. So go ahead. You're not Nico. You don't know every episode, but I said this thing, what'd I say? You

Andy 38:36
said it's easier to ask for forgiveness than it is for permission. And I had forgot that before I had children, that was my motto. I lived by that. It was just I was a manager at Walmart for a few years in the optical department, and I lived by that with dealing with my market directors and trying to appease them all the time. I heard you, we were in the swimming pool, and I was listening to this episode, and I go, Oh, light bulb. I forgot. I can be an asshole. I forgot I can fight bag. I

Scott Benner 39:06
want to be clear. I don't see that as being an asshole, but I take your point that, yeah. I mean, the truth is, you're you get so busy trying to make everybody happy, you can't really accomplish anything. You know, your, your new job is, is the doctor happy? Is the school nurse happy? You know, is my is my spouse happy? Is this person happy? Am I doing everything that everybody expects from me? I How about just do what's right? And then, like, you know, if, if you get called out later, just go up, sorry, you know, like, just, it's just, it's it's obvious to me, you get put in this situation where, if I took you to four different doctors and asked them all the same question, you very likely would get four different answers. So now there, that means that there are four different groups of people out there living their lives the way their doctor spoke to them. And it doesn't say that any of them are completely right or completely wrong, but I think that there's a blend of right and wrong mixed through those four doctors and a Facebook group and ideas about eating low carb and how to use insulin and every you need to take all that stuff together and just turn it into your own, you know, into your own salad, and then use what works for you.

Andy 40:26
You know, a lot of the days just kind of run together as you start going through life. And you know, you have memories that stick out good and bad. And that day it was, it was lay down and just take it as it is, or do something it. It really was a hard day, and I'll never forget that

Scott Benner 40:43
it's so good that you just were like, I'm not doing this anymore. And this isn't good for this isn't good for her. Like, like, that's how I I mean, listen, when my kid was little, that's how it struck me. I was like, I How could I be doing what I'm being told? And my daughter's a 1c is in the eights, but a person who doesn't have diabetes a one season the high fours like, you know? And that doesn't make any sense. It just doesn't. It seemed like such a give up to me, and I just, I just wasn't willing to give up like that. I mean, try to amount like right now, Arden's at school. She's halfway She's almost done her sophomore year of college, and she's literally thriving and doing just everything that she thought she would do. But I mean, what level of illness would she have right now if I left her a 1c in the eights for the last for the last 16 year, 18 years,

Andy 41:38
as I started learning stuff, that was the biggest pushback from the endocrinologist. Mind you, we use Cook Children's out in Fort Worth Texas. The hospital group is amazing. I mean, we I had called the pediatrician the morning I suspected the diabetes. They didn't laugh in my face. They just said, Okay, you're not crazy, till we prove you crazy. Come in, we're going to check your sugar. They threw us straight onto Cook Children's Hospital. So we drove 35 minutes into downtown, but as soon as we got back to triage, the first thing that was ever said to me by a nurse, and I don't think she meant it in the way that it came out, we were all wearing masks, so it's not like we could read facial expressions. She looked at me and said, Don't worry, mom, she's not that sick. And now I understand that. You know, my kid wasn't in DKA, so she really wasn't that sick. But my response to her because I knew enough about diabetes growing up, because I have a cousin with type one diabetes, oh, it was forever. And so my response to her was, yeah, but it's a life sentence. And she just kind of cocked her head at me, and collectively our our experience with our endocrinologist and the physician assistant that works with her, they trust me more now than when we first started. But every every visit, every three months, I would come in with something, pre bolusing, the next step, the next appointment, I would say, How about low carb? And it was, you shouldn't pre bolus because you don't know how much she's going to eat, and what happens if the food at the restaurant comes out too late and she goes low. We would much prefer her blood sugar to be 400 for the sake of experience.

Scott Benner 43:20
I love people that always assume the wrong thing's gonna happen, and it's the only thing they can imagine. I'm gonna, like, listen, you're gonna pre blast and be like, great if they if the food doesn't come out in time, have juice with you. Yeah, all fixed. You know, you know, how is instead of a small fix like that, to an idea, how is the idea next? Just let her blood sugar jump up into the threes, the fours, and stay there for hours instead of just being ready if something should happen. I don't like people who plan for failure, you know? Yeah, that is a lot. What that feels like to me is just planning for failure. You know, I wanted to say because we're gonna get past it. Your idea that, like, look, it's a life sentence. That's a very realistic and honest statement, but again, there's more to say after that. Like, yeah, it's a thing we have for our whole life. But you know what? I think we could mitigate a lot of the problems I'm seeing with this instead of just making the first blanket statement that comes to mind and then just accepting that as reality from here forward. Like, I don't understand why people don't think they can impact something. You know what? I mean, like, like, and I don't begrudge you having an honest emotion and saying, my kid just got this thing, it's never going to go away. Like, that's a real, honest emotion you have to work through. It doesn't mean there's not more you can do, right? And it doesn't mean you've given up because you're being honest about the situation.

Andy 44:51
Am I right about that? No, exactly. We don't get to pick the cards we're dealt in life. I know that sounds maybe gimmicky, but. But it's true. I you can look at a situation and let it kill you, or you can get back up and keep going, but I refuse to take subpar care in it as well.

Scott Benner 45:12
Yeah, listen, Andy, there are people who have actual life sentences, like they get put in prison for the rest of their lives, and you can watch documentaries about some of them, they find a way to live the best life possible, locked in a cage. Yep, diabetes certainly is an incarceration like that. And you know, like everything, God, it does sound like you're like it does sound like you're in San Francisco, and everything smells like patchouli oil when you say something like this, but like your life is really what you make of it. Yeah, yeah. And everyone's not promised a rose garden. So some of us don't get roses, and some of us get roses with weeds in them, and some of us don't even get a garden. Some of us don't have a house. And everyone's gonna have so many different versions of their reality. But within most of those things, you can build a happy life now. Don't give me, you know, and I want to say I'm not, I'm not trying to say that if you're living under a bridge right now and into a paper cup that, like, you know, like some good feelings are going to pull you out of it, I do think, and this is a, you know, a fairly existential conversation at this point, but I do think there's a way to be a happy homeless person if you're absolutely stuck in it, maybe not happy, but happier than someone else who just says, This is my life and lays in a pile like so no matter what version of life you get, I think there's a spectrum of happiness to be had within that version of life. Does that make sense? I think that's as clear as I can say it.

Andy 46:43
You think about the pain scale at like a hospital, or like zero to 10, and I feel like, when you look at somebody's life, like the trauma, or the level of hard, this level of heart might be a six for somebody and a 10 for somebody else. But within those feelings, those that feeling is valid, but it's what you do in spite of that, and how you keep going. Yeah,

Scott Benner 47:05
it's not a loss till you give up, right? That's pretty much it.

Andy 47:10
I'm no I'm no stranger to to life kicking me in the ass. My mom was 19 when she had me, and we grew up in the Bible Belt, so, I mean, she was damned if she did and damned if she didn't. You know, if you wanted to be right for the hereafter, you better have that kid. But oh my god, you had that kid as a teenager, and you're a piece of trash that kind of trickled down, and she struggled with drug addiction throughout her life. She's full of tenacity and and grit, and that's definitely rubbed off on me. And

Scott Benner 47:44
I thought you were gonna say meth. I thought you're gonna say she's full of tenacity and meth,

Andy 47:50
she's gonna kill me when she hears this. Now, no,

Scott Benner 47:52
you know what? She's not. Because the thing you just said was really thoughtful, like being put into a situation when you're 19 and being told by everybody. Hey, you got yourself pregnant. Now, do the right thing and have the baby, and then the minute the baby comes out, they look at you, go, Oh, look at this hooker having a baby at 19 years old. You know what I mean? Yeah, exactly like they

Andy 48:14
are rocking a hard place, rocking a hard place, but I think I've learned a lot from her over the years, and she's definitely done so much to better her life. And even through all the pain she was she was in a really bad accident a year after my stepdad passed, where and my little sister is 10 years younger than me, and she was taking the death of her biological father really hard, and was in in the hospital trying to get help for some mental issues. My mom worked for a meat plant down south in South Texas, and was in a really bad accident, and lost her hand, lost her hand up to her forearm. Holy hell. And then in that time I did, I thought this was the hardest thing that I've ever dealt with. I was at work. Somehow my mom managed to call my husband at work and told him to go get me in the middle of her, you know, trying not to bleed to death. And I was stuck with fight or flight. Tyler called me, and I'm just standing in the middle of the Vision Center like I don't know what to do. I do. I go down to Brian, where my sister's in the hospital, and ask for a bunk bed so we can have more room for activities. Or do I try to make it to the hospital? I hope my mom's not going to die like at 25 years old, like I had no idea what to do. You know my dad, the only dad I knew, had passed away at 42 years old. And here's my mom's my mom's probably not going to make it. My sister's falling apart. What do I do? Yeah,

Scott Benner 49:47
no kidding. Hey, was this a workplace accident she had?

Unknown Speaker 49:51
Yes, so it was.

Scott Benner 49:52
So there's some meat that didn't get used that day. Is that what I'm hearing

Andy 49:57
my uncle got in the hospital. She when she came to you know, they had a nerve blocker, so when she woke up from surgery, you know, she wasn't in pain at that moment because she couldn't feel anything. And my uncle's sitting in the air in the in the room with us, and he goes, Well, you know, that batch just went to the trash can. And she's like, What the heck is that supposed to mean, and he's like, it's too fatty. The con the fat contents way too high.

Scott Benner 50:24
That's terrible. I love people who deal with pain with humor. My, um, my best friend's father passed away when we were younger. He he had cancer and and died pretty quickly the day he passed away. I mean, we knew it was coming, and the day he passed away, I rushed to my friend's side, and he's just as shocked as you could be. And at the same time, his mother was going through menopause, and I said, Is it possible your dad, like, cut himself and rubbed the cigarettes in the cut to get away from your mom?

Andy 50:54
Oh, my god, yeah, they're running. He just broke up

Scott Benner 50:58
laughing. And there was just one little moment of, like, levity in probably one of the worst days of his life. You know, I love your uncle doing that, like, oh, we had to throw away a bunch of hamburger today. Well, that's, did she get pulled into a machine?

Andy 51:14
She did. That's horrible. She got pulled into a machine. So the plate, like on a meat grinder, the plate has three holes, and part of the plate was actually broken. Is So the the worm that, like, rotates the meat through, and I'm sorry to anybody that's doing this that you know, go ahead, you're fine.

Unknown Speaker 51:32
I'm holding on to the chair, but go ahead,

Andy 51:34
trigger a warning, because I have all the pictures like, because we took pictures for legal reasons and things like that. The the machine itself that it's a circle with three holes. So the worm pulled her fingers in, and as it was twisting everything, the bottom part of the plate was open, and it just fed her hand through. Oh, my God,

Scott Benner 51:55
is she wealthy? Now, no, what? What's a what's a hand and an arm worth

Andy 52:03
so small company. She speak legal advice, and it just,

Scott Benner 52:07
oh, my god, don't tell me this. I thought your mom was the queen of Texas at this point. Like, no,

Andy 52:13
no, she's doing all right. She fell, I think it was the beginning in 2023 she fell getting out of the shower and landed on her elbow. And my sister's, my sister's 24 and still lives with her. And she came running because she hears my mom screaming, and my mom's butt naked in the floor, and there's blood everywhere, and my mom's broke her elbow, and the bone is sticking through, and this is on the nub that you know, you know, seven, eight years prior, she fed to a machine. So I am. I love my mom to death. She's a pain in my ass, and she just found out that she's type two diabetic, and I've been telling her this for, like, the last year and a half, and we just finally got her on Metformin. And she's lucky that she lives an hour away, and the doctor's not within my vicinity, because they've just been letting her sit at an A 1c of 6.4 and I feel like I'm having to pull eldest daughter tactics out on her, trying to get her to take care of herself, because I want her to stay here. Yeah.

Scott Benner 53:15
What do they have her doing? Metformin?

Andy 53:18
Uh, she just started Metformin, and I told her, you know, because you have one hand, you need to push for a CGM. I don't care if it's freestyle. I don't care you need something. And my mom has lost some of her attitude, I think, in her old age, She's nicer when it comes to the doctors, and the doctors like, well, your sugar's just kind of bouncing around, and I don't think a CGM would be good for your mental health right now. Or however, she worried,

Scott Benner 53:46
God, every again, the wrong answer to the to a reasonable question, Does your mom have any weight issues? Uh, yes, uh, yeah. Tell her to ask for a GLP that might really help.

Andy 53:57
And that's what I told her, too. I'm like, you know, I hear, I hear good things about metformin and not so good things about metformin and with the glps as well, with stomach issues. And I told her, I was like, you know, start the medicine, try it out. I was like, but for the love, if you start having issues, you call the doctor and tell them you want something else.

Scott Benner 54:18
Yeah. I mean, the GLP could easily lower her a 1c and help her

Andy 54:22
with her weight, right? And we have a history of type two diabetes in the in our family, one of my my step uncle, he's not blood, but my step uncle and my mom's brother, blood uncle, about the age of 3334 they both had massive heart attacks and ended up type two so and it was back to back on both of them. Jeez.

Scott Benner 54:42
I Yeah. I mean, I, first of all, this, the ladies got one hand a CGM is an obvious answer,

Andy 54:49
right? That's what I asked her. I'm like, what do they want you to do? Prick your toes? I'm like, Okay, do you like having your feet? Because maybe they should just give you a CGM.

Scott Benner 54:58
I mean, it would be fine to. Check your blood sugar in her feet. But, like, think about the like, she still has to take her shoes off, and she still has one arm. Like, it just, there's a lot. Why are you adding a level of difficulty to something when she could once every however many days? Gee, she could get the ever since CGM, and it's implantable for six months. I don't know if that's, uh, eligible for type twos or not, probably nothing's eligible for type two. So probably, right? And that's, you know, like, at least you put on a Dexcom for 10 days. One, you can easily put a Dexcom on with one hand, right?

Andy 55:30
Yeah, that doesn't I've been preaching it for a year and a half. I'm gonna get my way. I'm going to get my way with this. So she's going to be wearing a CGM, whether she likes it or

Scott Benner 55:39
not. You know, I hear stories like this and and I sit here, and there's part of me that thinks I can't possibly be that much smarter than everybody else. Like, it. Like, what is how does this happen? Like, how does someone say you don't need the stress of that? Like, you idiot. What a dumb thing. Whoever said that to her, You're a moron. Like, like, my god, you're a moron, and I don't know. Like, I don't know. I just sit here and I think, like, I know I'm not that smart of a person. Like, is like, How is this possible that other people can't keep up with these simple ideas? She

Andy 56:12
has heart issues. I don't remember what it's called, but when I was pregnant with Lorelei, she had to go in and have, like, the the sack of her heart, like the electrical component there was, there was too much misfiring going on, and so they had to burn part of it, an ablation, yeah, like an ablation type thing. And, I mean, it was, I mean, it was a big deal, but not, not a super big deal. They were able to fix it, right? But in her time of going to the cardiologist and seeing the doctor and them doing blood work hurt historically, her a 1c been at like a 6.2

Scott Benner 56:47
for oh, and nobody said anything. The whole time,

Andy 56:49
nobody said anything. And then she goes to this PCP, and they're like, oh, you're a one sees a 6.4 and when she told me her a 1c was a 6.4 I laid into her not about her diet and her eating habits, but about, okay, we need to start medication. We need to get you on a CGM. We need to start monitoring this so it doesn't get worse, because you can live the rest of your life on the medication and understanding maybe some some diet changes, but just knowing the trend of your blood sugar when you eat certain things. This is doable. This is so doable. And she went to the primary care and they're like, well, you're pre diabetic. You're not diabetic. So it took her a 1c getting to a 6.9 before they'd be like, Okay, well, here's some Metformin.

Scott Benner 57:36
Oh, that's a common story for type twos. They sit or I just the number of people I've been talking to who are point one away from getting a GLP, and their doctors are telling them, well, you just first, you got to get type two diabetes, then we'll give it to you. And they're like, you know, I'm this point four, and this point five would have made me a type two. And they go, no, sorry, so that's an insurance thing. Yeah, most definitely. But that's still, like, it's a system. It's set up. It says, Look, we could stop you from getting sick, but we're gonna wait till you're sick, and then we're gonna see if we can't get it backwards for you. Like, it's just fascinating. It really is. Everything is fascinating. Uh, is there anything we haven't talked about that we should have?

Andy 58:19
No, you didn't ask me if there was any history in my family. Oh, hold

Scott Benner 58:23
on a second. Is there any history of type one diabetes in your extended family?

Andy 58:28
Yeah, that and other autoimmune diseases.

Scott Benner 58:31
Please do tell me about that. Andy,

Andy 58:34
my cousin, was diagnosed in 99 I was nine. He was like 17, and shortly after, he was diagnosed with Crohn's disease, and then PSA to anybody playing with Ancestry DNA tests, if you don't want to clean skeletons out of your closet, so don't take them, because I found out who my dad was at 29 years old, and he had lupus and sarcoid it alone.

Scott Benner 58:56
Sarcoidosis. Yep, another sarcoidosis. Wait, what were you doing on, like, ancestry.com were you just trying to find out if you were, like, you know, Persian or something, or what were you doing? I

Andy 59:08
was trying to see, like, what kind of European mutt I was. I took it just out of fascination, and then I did. I did both. I did the ancestry and the 23andme and I found first cousins with so there was, I was told growing up, and I grew up with dad a being my biological father, and he was not the best. We'll leave it at that. And then I overheard a conversation at 12 about Dad B. So I always knew that there was a possibility, but nobody would ever give me that validation, and so I took the test. I found some first cousins. I reached out to them. They were able to tell me how we were related. It did lead me to Dad B. I was able to reach out to my brother and sister that I didn't know I had.

Scott Benner 59:56
Jeez, why is everyone's life so confusing? Listen, can I get. Some advice here. Complete a sentence. Don't just say, Oh, well, what if they don't eat? Then you've pre bolus. Like, actually think it through and tell people the truth that really should fix most of everyone's problems. Like, like, I mean, how is it possible that so many people have your story? Because your story is not uncommon. That story is not uncommon at all. I've heard about it, and somebody talked about it, but nobody would really tell me, and I had a feeling, but no one would say and holy hell, everybody's making this all a lot more difficult than it needs to be.

Andy 1:00:33
No My mom did jump in and help. We found my grandfather, and I did a lab core grandparent test kit with him, and it came back positive. And then I did Ancestry DNA. It took my sister and my grandmother about a year and a half after we reached out to him to actually reach back out to me. They were grieving the loss of their son and their dad. And, you know, there was a lot of Skeptic like, you know, speculation is Andy telling the truth? Does she just want money? And I'm like, Y'all ain't got no money. I just want to know where I came from.

Scott Benner 1:01:08
I want 23 of those. $45 I know you've got your pocket,

Andy 1:01:14
but I talked to my sister. So side note, I have a sister named Katie, and then my brother's name is Johnny. And then my my mom's other daughter is named Caitlyn, and she goes by Katie, perfect. So I have two sisters named Katie, and they're both blood, you know, they're bullet related. Once my dad's kid wants my mom's kid, every

Scott Benner 1:01:33
one of my wife's side of the family is named Mike. Oh, dear God, my niece just started dating a guy, and it seems like it's probably going okay for the moment. So I bothered to ask what his name was. I said, Hey, what's this guy's name? You're dating? She just started laughing. I was like, Oh my God, is it Mike? You guys got to travel outside of, like, the sphere you live in, and look for other people. I don't want to kid you. My father in law, his name is Mike. His son's name is Mike. They had a baby and named him Mike. He's got a daughter who who married a guy named Mike, and then they had a baby and named it Mike. Oh my god.

Andy 1:02:11
Our neighbor's name is Mike on the right. Our neighbor's name is Mike on the left. And then my best friend, who moved to Minnesota, her husband's name is

Scott Benner 1:02:19
Mike. I don't understand it's not listen, it's not a bad name. But what are we doing? There's others. I

Andy 1:02:25
didn't appreciate it when I was little, because my name is Adrian Estelle, and I was nicknamed Andy. So I didn't even know my name was Adrian until I started school that growing up, I was always called Andy Rooney by my family or who Andy, where's Opie. And then, you know, starting school. And then high school, I started getting the Adrian from Rocky, but I appreciate it now, because at least it's not, you know, Brittany or Ashley or something like that. Oh, my God,

Scott Benner 1:02:58
your life is a CW TV show. That's why you love Gilmore Girls so much.

Andy 1:03:04
Hey, most days are pretty mundane. I mean, just hanging out with a three year old and trying to keep the five year old alive in kindergarten. Well, it sounds

Scott Benner 1:03:11
like you're doing a very good job of that. Seriously, yeah. Well,

Andy 1:03:14
it's, it's not without the group that you've put together and all the people that have come together. It's

Scott Benner 1:03:21
yeah. I mean, I didn't want to say and I did it, but I mean, you're Yeah, no, no,

Andy 1:03:26
there's, there's thanks to be had for you for putting this all together, and then for all the people that have come on the podcast or just interact on the Facebook page. I mean, even if it's just one person that you help it, you don't realize that the catalyst that like, the trickle down effect that happens from one person to the next, if you really, if you really put in the work to get to this point, it's amazing. Well, you

Scott Benner 1:03:50
know what? I do deserve the credit because I, it really is me that started it, but, but, like, I don't, I don't deserve the ongoing credit in the same way as I do for starting it, if that makes sense. Oh,

Andy 1:04:01
yeah, no, that where credits do. It's just like, like I was talking about before all the literature that's out there. You Dr Bernstein, you know, think like a pancreas sugar surfing, all of those ideas, while maybe there's differences in them, it's created a voice for the type one community that without we would just be left with what the doctors have to say. And that's something against a doctor. I've, I've had doctors tell me that they felt like the juice box was Doctor bashing. And I'm like, but you're looking at it from your from your side of the street. Yeah, you need to come over here. You need to come over here, put my shoes on, and then listen to it, and maybe you'll your mind might be changed a little bit. Yeah,

Scott Benner 1:04:42
no, I agree. Listen, I also give a lot of credit to all the doctors who hear it and don't get their panties in a twist and then say, hey, it is possible that I'm doing some of the things that they just said. So you know, how can I make this better for other people? Yeah? I have, I have an episode called listen to the doctor with an endo who had the courage to come on here and say, I heard your podcast. And I thought, This is Doctor bashing. And then I kept listening. And then she said, I thought, I am doing some of this stuff. And now, because of the podcast, I give better care to people. And, you know, I I'd love you to listen to the episode, but one of the things she said into it was, you know, I spread this out through the staff, and a lot of the staff came back and said, I don't want to listen to this. He's saying we're doing the wrong thing. Like it doesn't feel good for me to hear this. But I would say to you, if it doesn't feel good to you to hear it, then maybe you should be examining why it is you feel that way, not what I'm saying. So, you know, all I'm saying is teach people how to take care of themselves, and don't let them sit around, you know, contented with a seven, A, 1c and eight, A, 1c try to actually help them. And if you're not willing to help them, then send them somewhere else and see if they can get the help somewhere else. But don't just capture them in your little in your little bubble and, you know, Doctor them into a into a grave, you know,

Andy 1:06:07
yeah, for sure. No, that's, that's the goal. We're gonna get my mom a CGM, whether she likes or not that doctor, whether that doctor likes it or not. Oh, she'll

Scott Benner 1:06:16
find it illuminating. My brother has type two, and he said, You know what you've heard so many other people say about wearing a CGM, but man, it tell it teaches you what you want to eat and what you don't want to eat, almost like, God, that's not even worth it. Like, if my blood sugar is going to go up like that, I don't want to eat that. He had a lot of moments like that wearing one, and it's been really valuable for him. And a GLP, by the way, his a 1c went down two full points on a GLP. Oh, nice. Yeah. Type Two. He's in the fives now. It's gonna fundamentally change his life. Yeah.

Andy 1:06:48
And then I've been listening to the episode like you had an episode about the teenager that's on the GLP and a chef's kiss. I mean, I if it goes the right way, I can definitely see this being something that a GLP being used in management for teenagers, because that's that's one thing that I heard being in the hospital with like Lorelei would get get sick, and we couldn't control it at home. So she'd go to the ER, get admitted to the endo floor. We had a round of Doctor around with a doctor, and then the nurses coming in, and they're so desensitized to everything, and the one thing that kept coming out of their mouths were, we're just used to bad diabetics. We're used to teenagers that don't take care of themselves. And I'm like, man, let me stop you. There is it that they're not taking care of themselves, or they don't know

Scott Benner 1:07:33
how? Yeah, because they're putting some effort in somewhere, and it's obviously not in the right direction. I fundamentally reject the idea that people don't care about their their health. I think that they that there's levels of effort you'll get out of people, but it also comes with levels of understanding and levels of direction. You can't just wake up every day and run into the same wall and expect that they're going to keep doing that. Eventually they're going to sit down and say, I'm going to stop running into this wall now. And if you don't show them where the door is, then that that's what giving up looks like. It's not because they didn't give up because they wanted to give up. They gave up because the effort they put out every day didn't return anything, right?

Andy 1:08:13
Yeah, and I, I could definitely see the GLP ones being used for teenagers, especially in in that heightened growth period where they're just so resistant to insulin, I'm

Scott Benner 1:08:24
telling you, I can see it being used for a great many people with diabetes. Oh yeah, type one or type two. So I have more people coming on. I actually have a doctor coming on to talk about, like, kind of really lay out what glps are. I have more episodes with people who have been using them and talking about the experiences they're having with them. So you know, I'm gonna keep talking about it awesome. Yeah, all right. Well, Andy, you were terrific. I really appreciate this. Thank you so very much. I don't know what to say. This is a fantastic conversation. I really enjoyed it. Awesome. I

Andy 1:09:00
did too. Thank you. Yeah, of course. Hold

Scott Benner 1:09:01
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