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Pam's daughter has type 1 diabetes and PCOS.
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Scott Benner 0:00
Welcome back, friends to another episode of The juicebox podcast.
Let me look at my notes here. Pam has four children. Two of them are adopted. One has type one diabetes. Her name is Emma. She's had type one for three years. She also has PCOS and insulin resistance. They try to ozempic, but, well, what did I say? But I'm gonna tell you all about it in the podcast episode. Not gonna ruin the whole thing here for you. Please don't forget that nothing you hear on the juicebox podcast should be considered advice medical or otherwise, always consult a physician before making any changes to your health care plan or becoming bold with insulin. When you place your first order for ag one, with my link, you'll get five free travel packs and a free year supply of vitamin D drink. Ag one.com/juice, box. Don't forget to save 40% off of your entire order@cozyearth.com All you have to do is use the offer code juicebox at checkout. That's juicebox at checkout to save 40 percent@cozyearth.com I know that Facebook has a bad reputation, but please give the private Facebook group for the juicebox podcast, a healthy once over juicebox podcast type one diabetes.
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Pam 2:47
I'm Pam. I am the mother of an 18 year old girl who was diagnosed with type one diabetes in April, actually, almost exactly three years ago, April 2021 we have four kids. We live in Montana. Two of our kids are adopted. Sort of a that's, that's the best of it. That's the
Scott Benner 3:10
Shakedown, isn't it? Pam, isn't it upsetting when you list your life out like that and you go, Oh, that's it, I guess.
Pam 3:18
Well, I mean, that's the tip of the iceberg. We could we'll definitely go deeper in all of that. I'm
Scott Benner 3:22
sure you know how, like, in your heart, you're like, I'm living this exciting life. You're like, I have four kids. I'm in Montana. A couple of them are adopted. One of them got diabetes. I mean, are we done? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Pam 3:32
exactly. Can we stop now?
Scott Benner 3:34
Yeah, this is enough. Happy podcast. It's over. This is why Scott, like, pivots 15 minutes into it and talks about something it has nothing to do with diabetes. To do with diabetes. For a while, your daughter has type one. Is that? Right?
Pam 3:45
Yes, is she the oldest? She is the third child. But our oldest is 25 he's biological. Had him the old fashioned way, and then we had always wanted to adopt, and we were not having any luck getting pregnant again. So we went through, you know, just made the decision to adopt. We went through the state actually, which is usually not recommended if you want to adopt a baby, because that's not really the state's job there. You know, becoming a licensed foster parent. The goal is always for the state to reunite children with their parents. But our son came into our life in a very interesting way. We live in, like I said, we live in Montana. It's pretty rural. He was surrendered under the Safe Haven law when he was two days old, which is a law that allows a birth mom to surrender her child to a police station, a
Scott Benner 4:42
police station or firehouse, right? Yep,
Pam 4:45
okay, and she can stay anonymous to the court. So I got a phone call on a Wednesday afternoon. We have a two day old newborn. He's perfectly healthy, highly probable he'll be adopted. Are you interested? I about dropped the phone. One, my four and a half year old was sitting on the couch watching cartoons, and I'm like, you're getting a baby brother today, like in a couple hours,
Scott Benner 5:07
I would have thought longer about this kids if you asked me for a cat, right? But here we go. Let's go get a baby. Oh, wow. So at that point, you have two kids. Yep, the 25 year old is the oldest. And what that's a boy.
Pam 5:22
There's a four and a half year age gap because we went through all that process of trying to get pregnant and then adoption. So our next oldest son is 20, soon to be 21 he's a sophomore in college. Then your first baseball actually,
Scott Benner 5:36
Oh, hold on, we'll get to that. And then, and then, and then your first adopted is this one you're telling the story about? Yeah,
Pam 5:43
so he's adopted, and then he was a couple years old. And was weird timing. Actually, I just lost my mom. It was 2005 but for some reason, we had the baby bug again, and called the state and said, put us back on the list. And so I think we waited a little bit longer that time with our son. It was pretty fast process, actually, from the time they licensed us to that phone call with like, a week. So that was kind of crazy. But well,
Scott Benner 6:10
yeah, they got they got you marked as sucker on the list. They're like, Well, actually
Pam 6:14
it was like, we were so specific, we want a baby highly probable to be adopted. And they're like, this is never going to happen. And then it happened right away. It was everybody was kind of shocked, because that had never happened. It was only the second time in our state that that had ever happened, the first time in our town. So
Scott Benner 6:32
amazing. How do you like Can I ask how you like living in Montana? Have you always lived there?
Pam 6:38
I was born here, yep, which is kind of a big deal to people, for some reason, if you're Native Montana, and that's kind of different than if you moved here from somewhere else. I grew up about two hours from where we live right now. Okay, it's I. I love Montana, so people will get mad at me for talking about it, because people who are native Montanans don't want people to know that it's an awesome place
Scott Benner 6:59
to live. Wyoming has that problem too, because the Yellowstone TV show, right?
Pam 7:03
Yeah, and that's true, right, right? Montana as well. Yeah, yeah. It's become popular, especially since covid and a lot of people have decided this is where they want to live. So it's driven the housing prices, especially the town we live in. We live in one of the more expensive towns, thankfully, we purchased our home in 1999 long before
Scott Benner 7:25
all this happened. Well, you'll be able to sell it to an overpaid white lady at some point. That'll be nice at some point. Yeah, good for you, by the way, if you make a lot of money. I'm not judging you. I'm just trying to be funny. I don't, yeah, no, not you. I mean, lucky. I mean the people listening, Pam, like, if they're, yeah, like, if you're, like, Listen, if you, if you're wealthy, like, right on. I mean, you should send me money. I'm all right with you completely. Yeah. But that's what happens, right? It's, it's sort of oddly gentrifying, even though it's probably an already reasonably gentrified place, and somebody comes in who's just much more well off than the people living there, and they drive up the prices, down everything, and then people who live there can't afford anything.
Pam 8:05
Yeah, there's been a lot of a lot of tension around that issue,
Scott Benner 8:09
all this so they can go skiing and and do their marijuana in the mountains, yeah,
Pam 8:16
or something like that. Ma'am, I said
Scott Benner 8:17
do their marijuana to be funny, and you just were like, Yeah, that's what they're doing. They're up here smoking and spending their money.
Pam 8:23
It's legal now, and I can smell it when I'm out on my walk, so I know it's happening. Oh,
Scott Benner 8:27
my god, yeah, yeah. There are places you go for a walk in, like cities, and you're like, I'm gonna get high trying to get to the CVS, right? No kidding. So one of your adopted kids got type one?
Pam 8:40
Yeah? Yeah. So, yeah. We called the state, we let them know we were wanting to get put back on the list, and within six months, we had another phone call, newborn baby boy or girl. She was still in the hospital. She'd just been born, and her they were removing her and putting her in foster care because her parents had four kids before her that had been placed in foster care several months before she was born, and they were failing on their treatment plan, and so they placed her in foster care because it didn't look good. Well, they're
Scott Benner 9:12
prolific, yeah. So
Pam 9:15
they did have a unlike with our son, that was almost like with him, it was almost free and clear, like, here's your baby, you get to name him. Basically, he's yours. The birth birth mom did have 60 days that she could have changed her mind, but I I knew in my heart, like she had made a decision about what she was doing. But in the case with our daughter, they were given, you know, six months to work, a treatment plan. We had to take her to visits. They were in parenting classes, you know, doing different things to get her back, and unfortunately, they they failed pretty, pretty quickly. When she was six months old, they left town, basically. So what's
Scott Benner 9:50
that like for you and your husband and your family to you take her right with the hope in your heart that you can adopt her, but yeah, you can't. Come at it from that perspective for six months, because, I mean, you'd be a monster, right, like if you were actively cheering against the parents. I'm also imagining that as you have these visits, you're learning, I don't think this is a good place for this baby to be. So how do you walk that line between not wanting those people to fail and thinking it's probably better for her if they do. This episode of The juicebox podcast is sponsored by the Eversense CGM. Eversense cgm.com/juicebox, the Eversense CGM is the only long term CGM with six months of real time glucose readings, giving you more convenience, confidence and flexibility, and you didn't hear me wrong? I didn't say 14 days. I said six months. So if you're tired of changing your CGM sensor every week, you're tired of it falling off, or the adhesive not lasting as long as it should, or the sensor failing before the time is up. If you're tired of all that, you really owe it to yourself to try the Eversense CGM. Eversense cgm.com/juicebox, I'm here to tell you that if the hassle of changing your sensors multiple times a month is just more than you want to deal with, if you're tired of things falling off and not sticking, or sticking too much, or having to carry around a whole bunch of extra supplies in case something does fall off, then taking a few minutes to check out Eversense. Cgm.com/juicebox, might be the right thing for you. When you use my link, you're supporting the production of the podcast and helping to keep it free and plentiful ever since cgm.com/juicebox from the very beginning, your kids mean everything to you. That means you do anything for them, especially if they're at risk. So when it comes to type one diabetes screen, it like you mean it. Now up to 90% of type one diagnosis have no family history, but if you have a family history, you are up to 15 times more likely to develop type one screen it like you mean it, because type one diabetes can develop at any age, and once you get results, you can get prepared for your child's future. So screen it like you mean it type one starts long before there are symptoms, but one blood test could help you spot it early before they need insulin, and could lower the risk of serious complications like diabetic ketoacidosis or DKA. Talk to your doctor about how to screen for type one diabetes, because the more you know, the more you can do. So don't wait tap now or visit screened for type one.com to learn more. Again, that's screenfortypeone.com and screen it like you mean it. Yeah,
Pam 12:58
that's exactly how you feel. You feel conflicted inside, because one part of you is grieving for these parents that have not lost their fifth child and they just can't seem to get it together, hold a job, have any kind of stability either. You know other things you've heard about, neglect that's happened with other kids and stuff like that. You just it was hard. It was very hard. I felt very protective of her right from the start. So I don't think I was a very good foster parent. I have friends that have done a lot of foster care, and they're really good at it, like, they're good at communicating with the birth parents. They're good at, you know, that process of reuniting. And I wasn't, honestly, like, really very good. I was, like, really concerned.
Scott Benner 13:40
Was it conscious? Pam, or was it just maybe subconscious, from your desire to have the right thing happen? I
Pam 13:47
think it was from my desire to have the right thing happen. I was, I was consciously very protective of her. Okay? It was hard. She when she was born, she was sick, like she had this congestion that wouldn't clear up. And when she was four months old, she had to go on my antibiotic, and that cleared it up. And we don't know what caused that, but she, right away, at like, five months old, started with wheezing and was diagnosed with asthma, actually. So even when she wasn't sick, she was wheezing and she had pretty severe asthma. So and then I don't all of her health issues, like, right off the bat, contributed to me being nervous about her going back into a neglect because I'm like, they were both smokers. She has really severe asthma, all these things going on. I just
Scott Benner 14:33
was the mother, like, high or drunk during the pregnancy. Do you think they said that?
Pam 14:39
They didn't think so, other than probably some prescription drug use, is what I was told from the social worker. So much alcohol or recreational drugs, but like prescription
Scott Benner 14:51
drugs. Okay, how old is she when she's diagnosed with type one? Just three years ago? Yeah, 15, three years ago, before we get. To that, I'd like to ask, how much of her birth parents reality Do you share with her, and do you spread it out over time? Do you drop it all like a novel? How do you do it?
Pam 15:12
Yeah, great question. So both of our adopted kids from before they could talk, we would talk to them and like at their age level, what we felt like they could understand like, you know, you were, you were in another mommy's tummy, and then, you know, whatever, like wherever their age level was, both of them, when they were around eight and 10 years old, had just this flood of questions that was coming out of both of them constantly, and I, I always answered them honestly with whatever question that they had. So we've we've always been pretty open about
Scott Benner 15:47
it. So it's fair to say, your daughter knows that her parents were like addicted and had given up a number of children. Has she ever gone to look for siblings? Yep, she just recently found them. Is that something you're comfortable talking about, or do you feel more like that's your story? Yeah. Those? Yeah,
Pam 16:03
I think it's really I think it's very interesting. It's interesting how they're different, yeah, how
Scott Benner 16:08
so? Well, like my
Pam 16:10
son, he had questions, and at one point he was like, Can I picture? You know, because at first, his birth mom was anonymous to the court, but then our local newspaper did a story about him when he was a year old, and then she wanted to meet us. So her and I do have kind, not like a close relationship, but we're friends on social media, like I know who she is, and we've met a few times, so it would be an easy thing for me to introduce him to her, but he's just had less curiosity other than, what does she look like? You know, just kind of more general questions. But for him, it hasn't been that like making I need to know. But with my daughter, I think she's had that her whole life, even like, you know, when she was 13, she went through the whole I'm gonna run away and go live with my birth family phase and all of that. But the week she turned 18, she was absolutely determined to figure it out, and she kind of did it on her own. She just got on social media and like found, found her older birth sibling on Facebook and sent her a message. She said, I think I'm your sister. And they started communicating, and she is her older birth sister, so that opened up the door to her, connecting with her, both her birth mom and dad, who are no longer married, but they're still living and then other siblings. So did
Scott Benner 17:30
they ever pull themselves together? They are divorced,
Pam 17:33
which, in my mind, is kind of actually positive for them, because from the sounds of it, he's abusive, okay, and so I do think that she's better. Like she had two more kids, the older one after my daughter is adopted, she ended up in foster care and being adopted by a family. But now she has, like, an eight year old that she's actually raising, and she's living with her mother. It sounds like she's got support, and she's sober and, yeah, wow. Long story, good to learn. Yeah, that's
Scott Benner 18:03
it's a long she had seven children before she kept one of them. Is that right? 4566,
Pam 18:10
before she kept one. Yeah,
Scott Benner 18:12
I got that right? Look at me. Yeah. People who say I don't pay attention, I listen. Actually. Nobody says I don't pay attention. I I'm worried that I'm not listening, like, well, I'm trying so hard to listen to you and to think about where I want to go with the conversation. At the same time, sometimes I'm worried I'm not listening. Okay, so you told her, because I've been I'm adopted. You might know that from Yeah, listening. I've known I'm adopted for as long as I can recall. I've never, not known. I have never once had a feeling of like, Oh, I gotta go find these people. My wife made me for like, you know, medical background stuff made me that doesn't sound right, but it's accurate. Okay? It doesn't sound right, but it's an accurate assessment of what happened. Yep, she made me do it. It's never what you're hoping it's never like, Oh, my birth mom probably just didn't have enough time between being like, you know, the Princess of Wales and her other philanthropic endeavors to take care of me like it doesn't usually work out like that, and mine certainly didn't either. Once I got the information that Kelly wanted, I was like, I am no interest in this. And as a matter of fact, I will frequently forget my mom, my birth mother's name, like I have trouble. I have trouble recalling it when I need it sometimes. Yeah, it just is. I couldn't possibly and I'm so sorry for her, even though she's passed, but it couldn't possibly make less. I don't know. I don't care. I it's, and it's not out of animosity or anything like that. I just, I feel like I've had a full life with the people who raised me and my brothers and, you know, and everything else. Yeah, I'm not looking for a hanger on or whatever it would end up being. So she gets type one. Do we have the ability to go to the family and say, Hey, is there any of this? Is in your family line, or you can't really reach out like that, right? The contour next gen blood glucose meter is the meter that we use here. Arden has one with her at all times. I have one downstairs in the kitchen, just in case I want to check my blood sugar. And Arden has them at school. They're everywhere that she is. Contour, next.com/juice, box, test strips and the meters themselves may be less expensive for you, in cash out of your pocket, than you're paying currently through your insurance. For another meter. You can find out about that and much more at my link. Contour next.com/juice, box. Contour makes a number of fantastic and accurate meters, and their second chance test strips are absolutely my favorite part. What does that mean, if you go to get some blood, and maybe you touch it, and, I don't know, stumble with your hand and, like, slip off and go back, it doesn't impact the quality or accuracy of the test so you can hit the blood, not get enough, come back, get the rest without impacting the accuracy of the test. That's right, you can touch the blood, come back and get the rest, and you're going to get an absolutely accurate test. I think that's important, because we all stumble and fumble at times. That's not a good reason to have to waste a test trip. And with the contour next gen, you won't have to contour next.com forward slash juice box, you're going to get a great reading without having to be perfect. Not
Pam 21:31
until recently. I mean, I had no idea how to find them. I guess I could have done the social media thing too, and I we actually did every once while we, you know, try to find them on social media, but not until she just found them. And she did ask, and it sounds like there was some on her birth father's side with his parents. I think one of them is type one. There was, like, a couple people on his side of the family
Scott Benner 21:58
that had that had one, had type one. So you got that at least, yeah, what was her diagnosis like? How did you begin to notice it and and what did you guys do?
Pam 22:08
So she was sick for about three months with the sinus infection that we just could not cure. She could not get over it. We'd go to the doctor. She'd take an antibiotic. A couple weeks later, we'd be back at the doctor again, and I kept thinking, what going on? Like, why can we not get rid of the sinus infection? And then her her doctor finally referred her to an ENT, and they did a CAT scan, and of course, her sinuses are all clogged up, and they said she needed to have sinus surgery. So the ENT prescribed a steroid, put her on prednisone, and another antibiotic, which at this point, I think, was the fifth antibiotic that she'd been on. And I told her, I warned her, she's got ADHD as well. I've been on prednisone, and it usually, like, really gets you wired, like you can't sleep. You've got all this energy. And so I was telling her, you're probably going to be like, full of energy, and she's texting me from school, I can't stay awake. I'm falling asleep. And so one night, we were just sitting around the dinner table, and it was actually kind of fun, because my son and his wife just stopped in, which is not something they do very often, usually when we get together, like planned, and they just been out for a bike ride and stopped by and and my daughter's laying on the couch, and she's like, little tears are just coming down her cheek, and her lips are kind of turning blue, and I'm like, she couldn't, like, she didn't have a lot of air coming out, like, she couldn't really talk. And I thought, oh my gosh, she's having an anaphylactic reaction to this antibiotic. So I called 911, I think, or the nurse, I can't remember which I think I called the nurse first, and she said, can she say your name really clearly? Can she say mom with air? And I said, No, she's really not able to do that. She said, Hang up. Call 911, call the EMTs with
Scott Benner 23:54
that. I just said, Geez, it made me sad for a second. What you said? Yeah, it just hit me, I'm sorry,
Pam 23:59
yeah, yeah. Yeah. So the EMTs come in, they check her out. She kind of started to perk up, like she she was okay. Your oxygen was okay. So they said, It's all right. If you take her, you know, you can take her up to the emergency room. She doesn't need to go in the ambulance. So I took her up. They treated her for anaphylaxis, although I would say that your doctor, he was a little stump. He said, I think it probably is an effect, like, I don't know what else it could be. So she's getting pumped full of epinephrine, more steroids. We didn't leave the ER until two o'clock in the morning, and that might, and probably maybe for a few days prior, I did notice she was drinking a lot of water. And normally I have to bug her about drinking water, and she kept handing me her mug to go fill up with ice and more water. And I'm like, Man, she's really been dropping weight. And got discharged at two o'clock in the morning. Went to the only pharmacy that was still open at that time, we had 124 hour pharmacy, and picked up a EpiPen. Got home, and they said, follow up with your primary care. Pediatrician tomorrow, right? I called to make that appointment. I was actually kind of waffling, like I'm so tired, we've just been up all night, like, could we wait a couple days? But I had like, that nagging feeling like we need to go in today and follow up with this. And I jokingly said to my daughter before we left the house, I said, I'm going to get you tested for diabetes, cystic fibrosis. Something is wrong here. This isn't just
Scott Benner 25:22
you picked all the crazy things you could think of to, like, blur out. Like, yeah,
Unknown Speaker 25:27
yeah. And poor child,
Scott Benner 25:30
maybe she thought you knew something. Later she's like, Oh, that lady was onto something, yeah.
Pam 25:34
Now she credits me for her diagnosis over the doctor, which I do appreciate, because I just think I'm I was more like the instigator of it.
Scott Benner 25:41
So did you just wander in there and just randomly say a bunch of stuff out loud?
Pam 25:47
Well, we were talking about the allergic reaction she had to this antibiotic, and, you know, do we need to see an allergist? And blah, blah, blah, but I said at the start of the appointment, I said, I have noticed she's been drinking a lot of water and dropping weight. And the doctor looked at her chart, she's like, Oh, she's lost 20 pounds in like, the last two months, right? And so she said, we'll do a finger prick before you leave. So the pediatrician leaves, sends in the nurse to do the finger prick, and she does her finger prick, and her jaw just drops open. And I go, what is it? And she said, it's 595 with their blood sugar.
Scott Benner 26:21
You knew what that meant. Yeah. Okay, yeah.
Pam 26:25
I looked at my daughter, and I said, it's not your fault. Like I just felt like you just needed to know that right away, isn't your fault. I texted my husband, I said, I think Emma's got diabetes. They just tested her blood sugar, and so the PD Christian came, came back in, and she just opens the door and she goes, you have diabetes. She was like, almost laughing, like, I know it wasn't funny to her, but she knew everything we just been through for the last three months of like she was scheduled. This was a day, was, I think it was a Thursday. She was scheduled for sinus surgery on Tuesday, so we were just a few days out from having sinus surgery,
Scott Benner 27:01
completely unnecessary surgery, correct? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So
Pam 27:05
the pediatrician goes cancel surgery. That isn't the issue. This has been the problem all along. This is why she hasn't been able to clear this infection. You know, you're going to be admitted. We've got to send you back to the ER, and that that made my daughter freak out, because she had just been in the ER the night before till two o'clock in the morning, IVs and all this stuff. And she just did not want to have to go back to the ER again, second day in a row.
Scott Benner 27:29
So your doctor, the doctor, was just like, probably happy to find the answer, but yeah, but it came off a little bit like, hey, oh my god, guys, guess what?
Pam 27:39
Right? Yeah, she's a wonderful doctor. My thought My daughter loves her, but yeah, I was kind of, she was like, some kind of an adrenaline right from that, I think, like, you had diabetes, yeah.
Scott Benner 27:50
Also, what a bummer about the steroids not given. I've never felt better in my life than I when I'm on prednisone. I know I feel like super But although I say that to my wife, and she's like, I don't feel like that in the times I've taken it, huh? But, my God, it makes me feel like I could, like, walk through a wall. Yeah, it really does. Yeah. I
Pam 28:08
mean me too. Yeah. Not okay.
Scott Benner 28:11
So once you get her to the hospital and things get straightened out and everything, it's only three years ago, how do they start her care?
Pam 28:18
So they kept her overnight and just, you know, fully brought her blood sugar down. And then they discharged her that morning we had and then we had to get to another town, which is two hours from where we live, right away to do orientation, because that, well, I think it was a Friday, but then that doctor was going out of town or something, to include the only pediatric endocrinologist like in our area, so they really wanted to get her out of the hospital. We get on the road. So we had a pretty another pretty sleepless night, and then hit the road early in the morning, got to Billings, and spent a whole day with the team and billings doing that orientation, which was fantastic. Honestly, it was really good, especially from listening to the podcast and hearing other people's experiences. I'm really grateful, like, we got really good information right off the bat.
Scott Benner 29:05
How much of this story is about things not being close to where you're going? Like, because there's a lot of driving to get from place to place. Initially,
Pam 29:14
she was the only pediatric endo in our area for I think we did two or three endo visits there that were, you know, at her every three month visit. And then we did get an endocrinologist in our town. Now, okay, which is really nice, so we don't have to travel anymore. I
Scott Benner 29:30
have to tell you, this will be a bit of a left turn for a second, but I've been approached about doing an event out there next year.
Pam 29:37
Yeah, yeah, I
Scott Benner 29:38
saw that. I'm super I really hope it happens like and I want to say that I think it will. And the person that approached me is a rock solid person, so I think it could happen. But if things go well, maybe six months after this comes out, or maybe the summer after your episode comes out, there's going to be like a juicebox podcast event, like a few. Day event out in the Montana area, where, if all goes to my planning, it'll be myself, Jenny Erica, maybe, you know, and we're gonna put on an event for people with diabetes that last couple days. It'll be great. You'll love it, yeah, love it here. And then I'll stay and ruin the place like everybody else who comes and poaches your wonderful land actually, let me be clear, the minute it snows, I'd run out of there like a baby. So that will happen, yeah, unless I'm in the financial position to be a snowbird. I'm not living in Montana, because I'd have to get the hell out of there very quickly.
Pam 30:38
That is the safeguard that we have. It definitely keeps some people away, for sure. Well,
Scott Benner 30:42
it keep me away, don't you worry. It would have kept me it would have kept me away, if you if any number of reasons, like, Are there snakes?
Pam 30:47
Oh yeah, yeah,
Scott Benner 30:48
are there rattlesnakes?
Pam 30:50
There's rattlesnakes? Oh
Scott Benner 30:51
yeah, I don't live there town, but yeah, how do you know I don't live there? Then that's that. Okay. There
Pam 30:56
was a black bear that wandered through my son's High School. It's freshman year in the morning before school started, through
Scott Benner 31:01
the building. Yeah, yeah. See, you don't gotta worry about me. I'm good. I'd much rather be killed by urban blight than a black bear. In case you're wondering,
Pam 31:13
I could tell you all the amazing things too. Oh, my people live here at the other side of that. Yeah,
Scott Benner 31:19
go ahead and tell me that, and then say rattlesnake afterwards and see if I don't just leave. So I'll just watch Yellowstone. Thank you. Unless Kevin Costner ruins it.
Pam 31:29
Have you read that's no what? Oh,
Scott Benner 31:33
he got into a fight with the Creator or something. I think they're gonna ruin the whole show over it. Oh, that's not so great. Come on, Costner, we're all having fun here. You know what I mean? Oh, it's a lot. I know he's old, but it can't be that goddamn hard to make Yellowstone. Can it like he just sits on a porch, it looks like, and says under a gravelly voice every once in a while, and they're paying him like I'll do that if he can't. I don't think I'd be as good at it. I'm not quite as handsome as Kevin Costner is, but not the point. If he ruins this show, I'm gonna be really pissed. Yeah, yeah, I'm enjoying it. He's
Unknown Speaker 32:07
interesting. He's
Scott Benner 32:07
interesting. He's I don't know who he is. All I know is he got all, like, uppity, and then they got uppity back with him. The next thing you know, two rich people are pissing at each other, and I'm like, just make the goddamn TV show so I can watch it and stop trying to live my life over here. I can't be worried about Kevin Costner's problems, but here, but I was for days. For days, I'm walking around telling people is cost they're gonna mess this TV show up for me. And I don't know, I got very upset. Obviously, you should tell but my plan is to come out, do the event, and then spend a few days and actually go see the park and stuff like that. Oh, do yeah for sure. Yeah. I'm gonna try to make a thing out of it and then get the hell out of there before it gets too hot. Yeah? As most lovely places are either too hot or too cold, yours gets both things. Is that correct?
Pam 32:55
Yeah, yeah. This winter was pretty mild compared to last year. Actually, it really wasn't well for my scale. It wasn't too bad,
Scott Benner 33:04
just a few feet as well.
Pam 33:07
I don't think we had that much, I mean, over the whole winter, yeah, but we never had like, these big dumps like we did last year. In the summer. Is where we live. It does get warm, but we're in the mountain, so it really cools off at night, like we don't have air conditioning. We live in a condo. We don't need air
Scott Benner 33:23
you don't have air conditioning now is this, you don't have air conditioning, like those hippies in Vermont who need air conditioning but don't have it, or you actually don't need it.
Pam 33:32
We don't need it. There's usually about a week or two in the summer where I'm like, I wish we had air conditioning, but we got some fans, and that's about it. Yeah. I mean, it cools off to the 40s,
Scott Benner 33:43
okay. Oh, okay, all right, that's fine. You people in Vermont are out of your minds. I don't know what hippy dippy you're doing over there, but it's hot there, and you need air conditioning, and none of them have it. It's very upsetting. I went to Vermont once. It'll never happen again. Yeah, that's right, well, at least not in the Well, who am I to lie in time? I wouldn't go in the winter because the snow. I can't go in the summer because there's no air conditioning. I mean, there's probably two months in the spring I could deal with Vermont, which was, by the way, lovely, except for its lack of ability to condition the air. This is neither here nor there. I'm sorry I've gotten this off of track. Interesting. Pam likes the podcast, so I'm comfortable rambling to her, because I know she enjoys it. Yeah, when your daughter, Emma, right? Yeah, when she's diagnosed, is she rocked? Does she bounce back quickly? Like, what's, what are those first few months? Like,
Pam 34:35
she bounced back really fast. She had a great attitude right out the gate. You know, she just understood insulin is a life saver and I need it. She had no no shame, like, no embarrassment at all. Going to school. We were MDI for a few months from our choice, like, just took us a while to decide on a pump and all of that. She really had a fantastic attitude. Me for the first few months, and then, and I knew it, you know, I'm like, one of these days, this is gonna really hit her, actually, and it's a lifelong condition, and it's not going away. So, yeah,
Scott Benner 35:13
so after that, initial like, I got this feeling, goes away. Then what happened? What happened after that? Oh, I
Pam 35:21
don't know. It's been three years. I mean, the first year was rough. We were on the dash. I was listening to the podcast, you know, being bold with insulin. And which was good. She had a she had a pretty long honeymoon period too, which was actually both kind of nice and also a pain in the butt. You just don't know your insulin needs, yeah, off the bat, but just just diabetes, you know, just highs and lows and losing sleep and pumps failing and CGMS failing, and it's exhausting. It's just an exhausting disease. And I think with her ADHD as well, you know, just brought on a lot of mental fatigue and and stuff like that. I don't know if it was in the first year the second I think it was the second year. Last year she she really did have some, like, real mental health issues. She's doing a lot better now. She struggled last year a lot. She started having a lot of anxiety, which we were like, is this something to do with her ADHD and the medication she's on? Can can have the side effect of having anxiety? So she got prescribed antidepressant, which made her completely suicidal.
Scott Benner 36:36
Did she have, like, did she have actual ideation
Pam 36:40
only for a day, and thankfully, she was texting me. I mean, she was completely like, not hiding it at all, like, I just want overdose on insulin. You know, it was like this one day where she was like, I just want to kill myself. Okay? And I thought, I don't think this medication,
Scott Benner 36:55
we might want to stop this one, yeah, I don't think this
Pam 36:58
is good. So we called the doctor who then called a psychiatrist for some consult and then let us know, oh, turns out that this particular antidepressant mixed with her ADHD medication can make Heidel
Scott Benner 37:12
like, really, no one brought that up. Yeah,
Pam 37:16
too bad we didn't know that before. We just Well, isn't that?
Scott Benner 37:20
I believe that's what pharmacists are supposed to do. They're supposed to look for like drug interactions. That
Pam 37:26
would have been nice. I don't know. It just, it just got missed under the radar. So so we were in that process for a few months. At this point now, she's she's not on any antidepressants. We just lowered her dose of her her five answers, what she takes for ADHD, and that has created like she's fine, like she's not having overwhelming anxiety. And the other thing we did this is her senior year. Right now, she's going to graduate here in like 42 days. My husband's been counting out the days we the first semester of the school year, we really limited how many hours she could work. She was working a lot last year as well. I think that was contributing to some of the mental fatigue of school, working a job, diabetes. Yeah, it was just all too much. So we kind of put up a little bit more of a boundary this year for her, and she's really bounced back, and she's doing pretty good. Not
Scott Benner 38:22
that there's anything wrong with this, but why was she working so much? She's saving for something, or she's kind
Pam 38:27
of a workaholic. Maybe, I don't know she's she's just a worker, and I've known that her whole life. I think that's part of how our ADHD manifests. She just likes to be busy. She likes to have something to do. She likes to make money. So it was, some of it was just her drive, and then, like, everywhere, everybody's short staffed, so she wouldn't be scheduled, but then she'd get called in, and then she's picking up extra shifts, and just kind of snowballed. So we kind of had to, she had to quit that job, actually, because that wasn't going to get any better.
Scott Benner 38:59
Okay, now, like, beyond all that, like, today, where would you say she's at, like, with her management, her outcomes, her how she feels about the whole thing.
Pam 39:07
I mean, she still has some maturing and some growth. For sure, she's not, I don't, I'm not concerned, like, I don't feel like she's in a really unhealthy place. But she definitely is still, you know, she'll jokingly say pretty often, like, I quit. You know, the other day she tried handing me her teeth slim. She's like, you can just throw this in the garbage, you know,
Scott Benner 39:25
I'm done. I'm done with the kidding, yeah, it's good. It's over.
Pam 39:30
Yeah. She was recently to also diagnosed with PCOS, and that's a pain in the butt, because that's like having insulin resistance and type one, and
Scott Benner 39:41
that's it. Martin's managing that with um, with the GLP medication,
Pam 39:46
yeah. So we just had our third shot of ozempic, oh, a week ago, and she was in the ER this week. I don't think it's gonna work. Why? What happened? Got really sick. Just. Really bad nausea and stomach pain and vomiting, and how
Scott Benner 40:04
much omic Was she taking? The lowest dose, point two, five, did they talk to you about trying manjarno instead?
Pam 40:14
Not yet. I just sent the endoa an email yesterday and said, We're stopping this. It's not it's not working.
Scott Benner 40:21
A lot of the side effects from ozempic don't seem to exist as much with manjarno. Oh,
Pam 40:26
that's good to know.
Scott Benner 40:27
Yeah, I'm sorry that that was she seeing, like, less insulin need.
Pam 40:32
Yeah? Definitely. I mean, we were having some kind of serious hypos, actually, but we were kind of prepared for that. Yeah, we had a way cut down even just in three weeks. We cut down her insulin quite a bit, but she was also nauseous and not really eating.
Scott Benner 40:46
So as soon as she shot it, she felt nauseous, but then nausea didn't pass.
Pam 40:51
It did not pass. Okay, yeah, yeah. And this last week was worse, like it's supposed to kind of level off and kind of get better. And it got worse. We were in the ER Friday for fluids because she just was so sick. Oh,
Scott Benner 41:03
I'm sorry. No, that sucks. Yeah, no. I mean, listen, I don't know if Manjaro would be better. Manjaro, Manjaro, there's no N in there, right? Manjaro. I don't know who care, who cares, but I have heard, I mean, my doctor even said, you know, there's fewer side effects that I'm seeing with my patients with this to that that's good to know. Yeah, I don't know if she's up for trying it one more time or not, but maybe after she feels a little better, because you could she has a break. Yeah? So who knows, but I'm sorry, because it's can be so valuable for the insulin resistance that comes with PCOS and some of the other side effects.
Pam 41:40
Yeah, I was really hopeful, because she's not big on, like, like, with metformin. She just, she doesn't like to take pills every day. You know, that also kind of made her nauseous. She she did put on some weight in the last year. So there's just a lot of things. I thought, Man, this OmniPod could be like the magic ticket here. It's only one shot a week. Yeah,
Scott Benner 41:59
well, I don't know, it still maybe just might have had the wrong one. I'm so sorry, teller, I'm sorry. I wish that would have gone better, because it's working for so so many different people, honestly, you know, that sucks, yeah, because the Metformin also could be an answer, and you need to find an answer, because the PCOS will be like, it's a lifelong struggle. You know, it's finding something that battles with it would be really valuable for Yeah, so she took it, she felt nauseous, and then she ate, and she'd vomit, yep,
Pam 42:35
she'd throw up what she ate, or she just wouldn't eat. And then, of course, she wouldn't drink a lot because she was so nauseous. She felt like, if I drink, I'm gonna puke. I had a couple scary lows. One of them, I was actually out of town. It was quite frightening. She got really low in the middle of the night. And the job that she has right now, we've been kind of trying to figure out her management with that, because she started a job as a caretaker. So she's doing like, 15,000 steps at work, and she was having these adrenaline highs, and then these crashes in the middle of the night, and we've switched to activity mode, and that seems to work, if we haven't been having as many severe loads at night, thankfully. But this one night we were we were gone out of town for a wedding, and she was home, and I was on the phone with her, of course, through the whole thing, but she was having a really hard time getting the carbs to get back up with how nauseous she was. And she said, I need to go the bathroom. Just I'm gonna leave the phone here and I'll be right back. And it took a while for her to come back. I was starting to get nervous, and she came back and she said, I just puked. And I was like, Oh man, yeah,
Scott Benner 43:45
we need the carbs in, not out. Yeah, we gotta get
Pam 43:49
we gotta take care of this. So a friend came over. A friend came over. It was two in the morning. That's her boyfriend, actually, but he saved her life, I think, because she needed help at that point, I think you got her bowl ice cream, and I don't know, oh no, I know what it was. I said, Go fill a bowl with some sugar, just straight sugar, and have her lick her finger and rub the sugar on her cheek. Yeah, just, it just needs the sugar. And that's what they did. So
Scott Benner 44:16
wow, my gosh, yeah, I would stop using those epic too. That that's not, yeah, that's enough of that. Yeah, oh gosh, I don't know, like I said, I don't know if the other one would be more valuable for or not. But if not, I'm sorry, and I hope something else. There's other stuff being developed. There's pills, they're, they're, they're working on, and, like, all different kinds of ideas around this. You know, the impacts that you're getting from GLP. So hopefully they'll find a way to help people who are, you know, reacting poorly to the injection at this point.
Pam 44:48
Gotta get better. Yeah? Because even when we went to the ER, they weren't too surprised. And I almost felt like both the doctor and the nurse were kind of like, Are you sure you want her on this drug right now? Like we're. Seeing a lot of this here in the ER. And,
Scott Benner 45:01
you know, it sucks, because obviously, I wouldn't want that to happen to you or anybody else, or her, but at the same time, you know, we're seeing a lot of this in the ER, right now, yeah, of course you are. You're the ER. So that's where people who are having trouble go, right? Are you seeing any of the people who are thriving on it? No, oh, yeah, interesting. Like, it's, it's, it's almost like, when they like, oh, there's been, I actually heard, I heard somebody say the other day, we had to, like, had to fact check her online. But she said something like, you know, 42% of people who got covid got type one diabetes. And I was like, that's not right at all. You made that up. The person goes, no, no, a doctor told me. And I'm like, Well, maybe a doctor said 42% of the people that they, I don't know, that have diabetes, have had covid. Like half the people who got covid Didn't get type one diabetes. Or there'd be, right, there'd be hundreds of millions of people running, yeah, like, you know, you know, there's like, 1.8 million people with type one diabetes in America. And, I mean, between me and you, I don't know how many people had covid, but I bet you it was more than 4 million.
Pam 46:13
I'm not great at math.
Scott Benner 46:16
My thinker, don't think about math great. But that sounds wrong. Yeah. It just, it's funny how people respond to, well, I'm seeing a lot of and I'm like, Oh yeah, you do see a lot of trash. You're the trash man. Like, like, it's, you know, interesting. People are throwing this stuff away constantly. Okay? Like, anyway,
Pam 46:35
yeah, she's, she's definitely gonna need something, her insulin needs before this were tremendous. And she had, she did just have knee surgery as well, before we started the ozempic, and after the knee surgery, she was going through 200 units of insulin a day.
Scott Benner 46:50
Holy hell. So aside from the problem she had, what was her decrease like on the ozempic? I know it didn't work for it, but what insulin decrease did she see?
Pam 46:59
Well, she's on T slim So, and I still have not yet quite figured out how to get in there and look at what's happening with her basal rates and all of that. But we did have to switch her pretty much 24/7 into activity mode. Otherwise she was really going low. And then,
Scott Benner 47:18
yeah, so you think you haven't learned how to get into the T slim settings yet, but
Pam 47:23
we she has been been running it in activity mode most of the time since starting the ozempic, just to not have those hypos. And then we did finally get in there and edit it a few days ago, and I think she said she was at three units an hour, and we bumped it down to 1.5 See,
Scott Benner 47:39
that's so significant. So that's a lot, yeah, and it would have been more as she moved on with it, too. Very likely, does she have weight to lose? Yeah, yeah. So her weight would have come down, her needs would have dropped farther. Hey, listen again. I know she's been through a thing, and I it very well might not be the answer, but I don't know if it was my kid and this happened to her, I'd be like, take a breath. Then we're gonna try, like, something else. Manjarno, if it doesn't work, fair enough, but like, let's give it a whirl, because look at what it's I mean, honestly, like, three units an hour is, I mean, she's going to end up in a situation where, you know, at the very least, that's it just looks like she has insulin resistance, probably from the PCOS. Oh, for sure, yeah. You just want that alleviated. It's going to be a lifetime of of a hassle, if not. So I'm sorry. Why can't everything be easy? I know, but you're probably getting your unfair share of beauty in Montana, and therefore the world is trying to take back from you. Yeah, to balance things out a little bit.
Pam 48:51
Yeah. A few months ago, my sister, who I love, she's 14 years older than me, she was visiting us, and she's looking she goes, You guys have had such a charmed life. And at first I thought, we can't we have, you know, like, that's, that's the nice thought. And then the more I think about it, like, I don't think she's seen the whole picture here, actually. I mean, it's not horrible, but like, there's been some rough things, like some really hard
Scott Benner 49:19
stuff. Yeah, I think everybody has stuff, and then other people's stuff always looks like easier than your stuff. So you're like, Oh, you've got it easy. I like, what is your like? If you thought about it, if you asked your sister to line up her complaints, do you know what they would I'm not asking you what they are, but do you know what they would be? Well, I don't think
Pam 49:40
they'd be complaints necessarily. I think they'd be more like things that she sees as you know, we've had this we live in this nice town, we've got these nice kids, we've got a good marriage, I don't know, maybe something along those lines, yeah, and
Scott Benner 49:54
she's and her stuff doesn't match up with the things that are working out for you. Maybe not. You. You don't know her kids robbing banks or anything like that.
Pam 50:03
No,
Scott Benner 50:04
not you probably pretty good kid. If I tried to rob a bank in Montana, I'd get shot, right? Oh,
Pam 50:11
yeah, probably somebody else in the bank, carry
Scott Benner 50:16
someone in the bank, would definitely shoot me. They'd be like, Oh, finally, I'm gonna get to use this gun.
Pam 50:20
We're not carrying it. It's out in there, in the parking lot, in their truck. So I'm gonna
Scott Benner 50:25
have a person look at me and go wait here. I've been waiting for this. Just please keep robbing the bank. I'll be right back.
Pam 50:32
Yep, I gotcha definitely
Scott Benner 50:36
at Mr. Time. Hold on a second. I've got I don't even know which gun to pull out. I have somebody in my truck. Give me a second. Do you go hunting? Do you have you ever, like, targeted a deer for extinction? Yep, yeah, sure how. I've never, I never. It sounds like so
Pam 50:54
cold. It's exhilarating. I hope I don't get much. Eight emails now.
Scott Benner 50:58
Oh, tell me why. What's exhilarating about, like, hunting down something and snuffing out its life, or what do
Pam 51:03
you Yeah, I don't know. There's just something I don't know, like you're foraging your own food. I don't know. It's a thrill. It's different than going the grocery store and picking up a pound of hamburger. You know, if you went out and you you, you had to hunt it like you had to sneak up on it. You had to aim correctly. I've I've shot three deer. That's how many I've harvested. My friend that I used to hunt with moved out of state, and I really haven't had time to figure out how to do it without her, but I really enjoyed the times I got to do it.
Scott Benner 51:34
Just you two ladies out there looking for deer together. Yep, yeah, nice. Did you teach your kids how to hunt.
Pam 51:40
We tried. We took him through hunter safety. The interest hasn't been too high. My youngest son, he came out to the truck and saw the deer, the last deer I shot, and he burst into tears. He's just a soft hearted animal loving you know he's not, he's not gonna hunt. There's no way he's not hunting. My college then he likes to fish, and his friends are hunters. He's got a roommate that bird hunts a lot, but I don't know.
Scott Benner 52:07
Have you heard that story ever? My son, when he was recruiting for college baseball, one of the teams tried to, like, entice him by saying, we all go on a hunting trip together. And my kid got off the phone. He's like, I gotta shoot something to play baseball. I'm not doing it. I'm like, okay, he's not his school. He's like, That's not for me. And I was like, gotcha. He goes, Can you believe he tried to, like, make that out, like it was, like, a selling point. And I was like, Well, to some people, it probably would be, where does your son play ball? Community
Pam 52:31
College in Washington. Walla. Walla, community college. I
Scott Benner 52:35
know that one, actually. And what year is he enjoying it? Yeah,
Pam 52:39
he's a sophomore, so he's had an interesting journey as well. He broke his hook a hammy his senior year, playing, but we didn't know it was broken. They did X ray and didn't see it, so he played on a broken handle his senior year, and that was when he got recruited and all of that. And then right before he left for college, we found out he needed surgery. Had already signed and everything with the school. So the coach was very understanding, and he healed up and was, you know, training during the winter, getting ready for spring. And he's a butchered and he's like, I don't know if I'm a hypochondriac, but my left hand is starting to feel the same way my right hand felt when I broke my hook of handmade bone. Sure enough, he had broken the left one.
Scott Benner 53:21
Oh, Pam, that's a terrible baseball injury to have. Yeah, the hammer bones are really bad injury to have. And he did heal from the first one, but now he had to have one in the other hand. Yeah.
Pam 53:32
So he medical red shirted his freshman year, completely came home last summer, worked hard. We've got a nice facility or he could train at, and got back to school, was so excited to be able to play this year. He has, he's seen some innings. It's very competitive, as you know, even at the GPO level, like he's fighting for third base with, you know, five other kids, and he didn't perform great in a couple games. And he's kind of invention. Now he's having some weird health issue,
Scott Benner 54:04
really? Oh yeah, that kid gets diabetes. I'd give up if I was you, yeah, and I would call my sister and be like, I want an apology right now for what you said to me. What health issues is he experiencing?
Pam 54:18
Well, I don't know if it's all connected. He's had chronic hives for, like, a couple years, and we've seen an allergist for that, and he said it just happened. Take an allergy pill every day. Eventually it'll go away, and I think we need to go back and and see that doctor again, because it's not
Scott Benner 54:33
you heard how that happened to my son, right? No, no, it ended up being thyroid. Okay?
Pam 54:39
He had chronic hives, like his skin, like, if he scratches the skinny gets well, and then they just stay there.
Scott Benner 54:46
Coal would break out if his body warmed up.
Pam 54:48
Oh, I do remember hearing Yeah,
Scott Benner 54:51
and then we it ended up being a thyroid.
Pam 54:55
So this is all day long, every day, like, not no matter what or whatever, but it's. Who knows? I think there's some mystery thing. But the last couple weeks, he's been throwing that bile, which is quite odd. So he he went to urgent care. They ran a bunch of tests, everything came back negative. And so now we're like, we need to progress and see a doctor. So the trainer is trying to get him in with the team doctor, who apparently sees every athlete in Walla, walla for two schools, and it's been, like, three days we haven't heard from him. So I texted him last night because I think you just need to go back to urgent care today, and
Scott Benner 55:28
if they pull blood again for me, ask for a like, a thyroid panel. Yeah, not a big deal. Just tell them you heard it somewhere, and it's not a big deal. Just run it, just because if his TSH is high, you might have an answer there. The Chronic queue to carry is tough, like, you know, because every doctor says the same thing. We don't know why that happens. Take a couple of over the counter, you know, meds, and it'll be okay. But there are people online, if you follow them, like they're bedridden from it, you know, like, really, they can really significantly be, could be, it could be nerves. It could be, I mean, maybe he's just upset about baseball. Baseball is very upsetting. You shouldn't do it. It's much
Pam 56:07
pressure, so hard. He's a good student, too. I mean, he's 30 student. He works a job, a lot of pressure, not a lot. Yeah, honestly,
Scott Benner 56:18
yeah. People might not really. I mean, I guess you could imagine, but like playing baseball in colleges is insane. It's a lot of a lot of time and effort and pressure, and, you know, it just, and the truth is, if you could probably let any of those kids play, and they'd be good if you just left them alone and let them do it. And right instead, there's four kids, and you're trying to pretend One of them's better than the other. It's, you know, yeah, ridiculous. They're all pretty freaking good, especially at JUCO. By the way, JUCO is good baseball, you know, had he played his whole life?
Pam 56:52
Yep. Is he big? Pretty much. He got good size. Yeah, he's okay. He's okay. He's poor Yankees fan. Admit that to you here.
Scott Benner 57:03
I know you're Philly fans. My son's going the Yankees game today, so you're not admitting anything to me. Don't worry about
Pam 57:08
it. Sure. We'll be, we'll be watching it later. We don't miss too many we've, I've never been to a game, actually, in person, because I live in Montana. They don't play here. He's about the same size as Anthony Volpe. Like, every time I see Volpe up to that, I'm like, That's Andrew, even kind of bad. Like, we'll see a little bit I am
Scott Benner 57:24
going to tell you something, Pam, that is going to make your pants fall to the ground and bounce back up again. Okay, my son played college baseball with the kid who played second base in high school for Anthony Volpe while he was playing shortstop. Really fun. Yeah, they're going to the Yankees game today to say hey to Anthony and watch the game. Oh,
Pam 57:45
man, that's awesome. Sorry, he's a great kid. I love watching him play. Yeah,
Scott Benner 57:51
he's undersized too. Like, for, you know, yeah, for, for what he's accomplishing, he's leading off of
Pam 57:56
the Yankees. Yeah, I think he and my son are almost the exact same size, 511, 190 pounds. Like, yeah,
Scott Benner 58:02
it's interesting. Yeah. Oh, anyway, Cole's friend Pat is very good friends with Anthony, and that's cool. They're heading small world. Yeah, I just couldn't believe you said as you were saying it. I was like, she's No way. She's gonna say Anthony's name right now and again. We were literally talking about him last night in the kitchen because Cole's like, I'm gonna go to the game tomorrow with Pat and we're gonna say hey to Anthony and then watch the game. And I was like, Oh, it sounds nice. He goes, I've never met him before. Like, what should I say to him? And I was like, I don't know. I said you should tell him. I can't believe these guys are your friends, terrible friends and but yeah, they just played baseball in high school together, and then he was drafted out of high school. I think, I
Pam 58:41
think so, yeah, yeah, he's young. He's, I don't think He's much older than my son. I don't think, no,
Scott Benner 58:46
I mean, Cole's 24 so he's probably right around that age. Yeah, yeah. I don't know. Listen, baseball is great, yeah, until you get caught up in the system, then it's like everything else, and it's unpleasant. I was maybe you have this experience, maybe you haven't. I kept waiting for it to stop, like when they were little, and it was like, Daddy ball. I thought, oh, when they get out of Little League, that'll stop. And then they got into travel ball, and I thought, didn't stop here. That's okay. And then they got to college. I was like, what's obviously going to stop now? Didn't stop. Then I was like, Oh, my God, this is fascinating. Just the the the impactors changed in college, it was, you know, my dad made a donation that paid for a building, and so I play like that, you know. And in when they were 12, it was my dad's the coach. So I play. And it just was fascinating. Cole, at one point, played for a guy who I know for sure, didn't matter if they won, if his son wasn't on the field. Interesting, he did like, he's like, I don't care if we have success. If my son's not part of that success, then this isn't worth it. And then, of course, his son never continued to play baseball, yeah, as he ruined it's kind
Pam 59:57
of interesting. It's been an interesting journey. Ernie, for sure, we've been kind of insulated from a lot of that drama and politics and stuff. I don't know how we managed to get around it, but most like, I can't think of a year where that was an issue actually good
Scott Benner 1:00:13
for you my whole goddamn life.
Pam 1:00:16
You are good coaches.
Scott Benner 1:00:18
Well, your sister's Right,
Pam 1:00:21
yeah. I guess we've had a charm life. Now,
Scott Benner 1:00:26
I agree with your sister, because you're a son of a bitch to me now, because I watched, I watched people fight and argue and claw for years, it's just It was exhausting. That's a lot, absolutely exhausted,
Pam 1:00:39
really, pretty much a really positive experience from coaches that weren't the best, probably, but that's about as bad as I got, I think. So I should have moved
Scott Benner 1:00:49
to Montana years ago. You should have, yeah, all right, how much do I need to buy a reasonable house in Montana? Now I'm getting older, so it can be one story. Doesn't need to be two stories. Let's say a couple 1000 square feet. I'd like a place to park my car inside a little bit of land. What's it gonna run me? Okay,
Pam 1:01:08
the town we live in, the median price of homes right now is 800,000
Scott Benner 1:01:13
in our town, the median price so I can find one for like, 1.8 there too. Oh, yeah, and what am I living in for half a million a trailer with a gas bottle out
Pam 1:01:26
my son and his wife just it's not a trailer. It's a 900 square foot house, condus house slash condo. It does have its own walls, but
Scott Benner 1:01:38
walls, what do you mean? Like sharing walls, like our
Pam 1:01:41
condos, we share walls with other people, but they have like, a little tiny yard around their little condo, and they paid 350 I think, for that. But it's not in our town. It's like 10 miles.
Scott Benner 1:01:55
Are they near a meth problem? Or is it a nice place? It's just stuff's cheaper,
Pam 1:02:00
it's nice, okay, yeah, it's a nice little neighborhood. I
Scott Benner 1:02:03
don't want to fight off a medpat.
Pam 1:02:05
Do you understand that's the best deal you could get, but that's under 1000 square feet, 350
Scott Benner 1:02:09
but I get my own walls, so that's fancy. Yeah? Now I know what you meant, by the way, but it was just the way you said. It was hilarious, but I knew what you meant. I was like, oh, a house with walls. Do tell? All right, so somewhere between 350 and a couple of million and yeah, how are the state taxes? Am I going to get killed? I don't make a lot off this podcast. How much of it am I going to lose?
Pam 1:02:31
Yeah, we don't have a sales tax, which everybody really likes, but we do have pretty high property taxes, and those keep going up, so people are pretty unhappy right now about property taxes. So I'm
Scott Benner 1:02:43
not going to Montana. Probably not. But
Pam 1:02:45
you know, the town I grew up in, which is two hours from here, I look at their real estate all the time, and I'm like, we could sell our condo and buy a house in that town
Scott Benner 1:02:54
for cash, live like a king there. You're saying, yeah,
Pam 1:02:57
yeah, and it's only two hours away. It's a nice city, so
Scott Benner 1:03:01
Okay, you'll tell me the name of that privately, privately. You'll tell me. Yeah, okay, sure, I would like to live like a king somewhere. Once, me too. Yeah, me too. But am I going to be talking to like a guy named Bubba if I is it that far into the mountains, or what are we talking about? Oh,
Pam 1:03:17
it's not in the mountains. It's more urban. It's more of a city spillings. I'm not good. I mean, it's Montana. You'll probably fly, I don't know if you'll fly into there, if you'll fly into the town I live in, because I think I thought where you're going, all right, I'll look around. But, yeah, people complain about the crime there, though they do. So, I mean, I grew up there. My dad lives there. My mother in law lives 15 miles from there.
Scott Benner 1:03:42
I don't know. Am I gonna need a shotgun? I'm not up for that. Yeah, I don't know. All right, if I get an electric if I get an electric car, they're gonna make
Pam 1:03:51
fun of me. No, there's a lot of electric cars here that'll tell the outer Staters move in with their electric cars. So you're good. I
Scott Benner 1:03:56
see, okay, all right. I'm just trying to understand the landscape that's all All right. Pam, is there anything we haven't talked about that we should have?
Pam 1:04:04
I was also just going to mention, as far as Emma's journey with her, her diabetes, another challenge that we ran into this last year was some allergies to some of the insulin that she was really using, that that was also extremely frustrating and kind of difficult to navigate through that. Yeah, with her her teeth, limb, she was really having difficulty with her sights. And like she said, that it hurt, it felt painful. It was itchy. So she had been on Nova log, so we switched to hemolog, and that was good for a couple months. Everything was working fine. The absorption was good, and then that started to get irritated again, like we're going to run out of insulin pretty soon. And so the her pediatrician put her on a Pedra, which you're familiar with, yep, but didn't tell us that a Pedro doesn't work in a T slim, like it just doesn't work. And she kind of goes back and forth sometimes. Anyways, if. Between tslem and OmniPod five depending on her mood, sort of so we did have to switch back to OmniPod five for a while, and then she decided she wanted to go back on T slim and try the hemolog again. And she did, and it's for some reason now it's working. I don't understand it all, but it's been
Scott Benner 1:05:17
a Petra has not been FDA approved to work in any pump, I'm pretty sure, but I think you're right. Yeah, Arden's been using it in an OmniPod for like, a decade.
Pam 1:05:25
So, yeah, yeah, yeah, we didn't have issues with that. But, like, what
Scott Benner 1:05:30
was happening? Like, itching sore sites, yeah, she
Pam 1:05:34
literally said she could feel the insulin and that it felt she actually used the word painful, like it felt painful to her
Scott Benner 1:05:42
sore once she took off a pump site. Yeah. Arden experienced that with fiasp and loom Jeff, but I just figured it was something about the whatever they used to make it work faster. But then you've heard the interviews with people who have, like, honest to God, insulin allergies, right? Um, I think so. Yeah, okay, all right, some of them go on to, like, use, uh, aphraza and an injected basal. That works out well for them, yeah? But, yeah, I hope it doesn't get to that. Do you think she's just having, like, it's funny, your son's having a weird allergic reaction to something your daughter is they're not related by blood, right? Yeah, hmm, is it Montana? No, I'm just kidding, yeah, maybe, are they allergic to Montana?
Pam 1:06:29
Maybe, maybe that's what it is. So
Scott Benner 1:06:31
is that settled? Now, you think humalogs working?
Pam 1:06:34
It's working fine, right now, yeah, and I think decreasing the infant amount also helps, for sure, like having to use so much, but just keeping my fingers crossed, holding my breath, she just been through a lot of stuff. I
Scott Benner 1:06:47
was gonna say it's unfair. She's got a lot of stuff going on, for sure. That's, that's kind of how she feels. I would imagine, yeah, tell her I'd feel the same way. Yeah, that'll be of no, she'll be like, great. Who was that you're talking about? That guy that told me to use the ozempic, and I threw up great. Is that really? Is that my fault? By the way, the OmniPod? I mean, I brought them up, right? No, no,
Pam 1:07:07
but I did. I mean, I definitely, yeah. I mean, the more positive stories that you hear, for sure, and more like this, we need to try this. And they just turned 18, and our insurance covers it, and like, let's give this a shot. So
Scott Benner 1:07:19
okay, well, again, I hope, I hope you try the other one and that it works better, or that she finds another answer. I was thinking of calling this episode Kevin Costner. What do you think something
Pam 1:07:30
like that? Yeah, for sure, Kevin Costner should be in there. I
Scott Benner 1:07:34
don't think I'm allowed to curse in the titles. I think Apple would like, I could put, like, an asterisk in it, maybe, or something like that.
Pam 1:07:40
Make it an eggs. How disappointed
Scott Benner 1:07:42
Do you think people would be if they, if they like, saw Kevin Costner the title, and they listened to this whole thing, and they were like, This doesn't seem to be on anything about Kevin Costner at all. That's hilarious. I was just reminded today about one of my favorite episode titles. It's, uh, Mama needs her happy, or something like that, or something, honestly, somebody said that to me, and all I thought was, what a great episode title. It's funny. I don't even remember what it's about. I just remember liking the title, but nevertheless, I don't know what to say. Like, she's got a couple of speed bumps there.
Pam 1:08:16
They suck, yeah, they do. Yeah.
Scott Benner 1:08:19
Are you okay? Like, dealing now? No, all right, what's happening to you? I mean, it's well, I
Pam 1:08:27
mean, I have kind of a stressful job the year that Emma got diagnosed with a really hard year, so I think in some ways we're sort of still just recovering from all of that. I lost my best friend to cancer in September, and then Emma was diagnosed type one in April, and then my father in law passed away in August, and then another close friend passed away just within days of my father in law. Oh, my God, 2021. Was horrible. So, I mean, I do feel like, you know, we're three years out from all of that. Now we're, you know, we're definitely better than we were, but I have kind of a stressful job that I started in working here in 2019 I'm five years into this and definitely getting easier. But yeah, I'm in therapy
Scott Benner 1:09:11
and Pam, you might be a mush. You know what that means? What's that like a mush? Like, like your bad your bad luck. Maybe you're the common thread between all these horrible things. Yeah, I'm just teasing. But no, seriously, you went to therapy, yeah,
Pam 1:09:28
I'm in therapy. Is it helping? Yeah? Yeah, it's great. I love my therapist. She's just good at listening and good at asking questions and good at, you know, helping me kind of navigate through.
Scott Benner 1:09:38
Oh my gosh, maybe it's Kevin Costner's fault.
Pam 1:09:43
Maybe it's Kevin Costner.
Scott Benner 1:09:44
I mean, seriously, they could have made that show anywhere. Why did it have to be there? You know what I mean. So to
Pam 1:09:51
tell you the truth, I am not a Yellowstone fan. I do not love that show. I love all the spin offs of Yellowstone, like 18, 2319,
Scott Benner 1:09:59
i. Yeah, all them, right, yeah, but those are good. What about Yellowstone? Don't you like? Well,
Pam 1:10:05
I guess when you live here, it just totally hits you wrong, because it's such a soap opera, you know, like there's just all this drama and fighting over land, and it's so unrealistic. The show I really like that. I think frames the West a little bit better is Longmire. Have you watched Longmire? Oh,
Scott Benner 1:10:20
listen to me, don't. Don't act like I haven't seen Longmire. I was the best i covid watched the Longmire. No problem. I was disappointed when it was over. Let me think
Pam 1:10:31
about Yeah, I think I've watched it like three times all the way through, but Yellowstone, I'd watched it because I felt like I had to understand what people we're
Scott Benner 1:10:40
talking about? Yeah, I watched Longmire and then watched other Katie sack off TV shows because of that, the blonde girl, you know who I mean,
Pam 1:10:49
yeah, yeah. I don't know what else she's been in, oh,
Scott Benner 1:10:53
Battlestar Galactica, all kinds of stuff, my goodness. Okay, yeah, I, I'm gonna go out on a limb and tell you, I don't know that Longmire is a good TV show, but I loved it. I
Pam 1:11:03
love it. Yeah, really, the writing and I love the scenery. And, yes,
Scott Benner 1:11:07
no, I enjoyed the hell out of it. I really did. So, so you're saying Yellowstone? You're trying to tell me that rich people in Montana aren't murdering each other in office buildings.
Pam 1:11:18
I don't think so. Yeah, not, not on the daily.
Scott Benner 1:11:21
No, they're not throwing rattlesnakes at people in rivers to kill them.
Unknown Speaker 1:11:26
No,
Scott Benner 1:11:27
wait, this is crazy. Hold on a second.
Pam 1:11:32
You're gonna be so disappointed. Come out here. There's
Scott Benner 1:11:34
not a road in Montana where you throw dead bodies off of
Pam 1:11:40
I don't know there could be, God,
Scott Benner 1:11:42
imagine if all this is true, and you're just like, finding out right now, you know what? I mean, that's terrible. Yeah, no, I didn't expect any of that was true, but I do all the spin offs are terrific. They're really good. Yeah, very good. So, all right, well, all right, then, yeah, this is Kevin Costner's fault, for sure. We'll blame him. Actually. Have you ever watched the movie that the guy who made Yellowstone made hell or high water? I don't think so. Try that one. You might like that. Okay, all right, my dog is barking, which means this is over.
Pam 1:12:13
Okay, sounds good. It's really nice to talk to you. Yeah, you
Scott Benner 1:12:17
too. Pam, hold on one second for me. Okay, okay. Thanks.
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#1309 IDU: How Do Fingernails Grow
Arden and Scott try to figure out how fingernails grow.
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Scott Benner 0:00
OmniPod, Hello friends and welcome back to another episode of The juicebox podcast.
I got a lot of great feedback from the first one, so let's do another I don't understand with my daughter, Arden. Today's topic is that we don't know where fingernails grow from. You're gonna fall into one of two categories, either you don't know, either, and you'll come along for the ride, or you do know, and you're about to think, oh my God, what's wrong with these people? Nothing you hear on the juicebox podcast should be considered advice medical or otherwise, always consult a physician before making any changes to your health care plan. If you have type one diabetes, or are the caregiver of someone with type one and you're a US resident, and I guess you want to help with type one diabetes research, I'm asking you politely and kindly to go to T 1d exchange.org/juicebox, join the registry and complete the survey. That's it. The survey will take you about 10 minutes. This whole thing shouldn't take you that long at all, and it's super easy. They ask you questions. You know the answers to the questions. It's not like they ask you where fingernails grow from. They're just going to ask you questions about diabetes. You're going to answer them. It's going to be very quick and bickety, bam, just like that, you've helped T 1d exchange.org/juice, box.
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Arden Benner 2:18
Hello.
Scott Benner 2:19
We're gonna do another episode of I don't understand
Unknown Speaker 2:24
today. We've decided, I'm sorry. I'm
Arden Benner 2:26
sorry, mom. Like, throw the dog's food. Let
Scott Benner 2:28
me just say something. You have no idea how many times I'm up here, like, recording bumpers for the podcast or something, and I start talking like, hello friends. And then just hear like, from downstairs. I'm like, oh,
Arden Benner 2:40
it's always mom. It's always mom. It's her getting ice or like,
Scott Benner 2:44
oh my god, her digging around in that ice tray.
Arden Benner 2:47
She the way she digs for ice is the way that she tries to pick up popcorn. Like, one of those, she goes like, she's like, fluffing it up. Like, that's gonna change the way it tastes. Every time she does that, I'm just like, why are you fingering the popcorn? There's absolutely no reason you have to be doing that right
Scott Benner 3:07
now. I always make her uncomfortable with that when she whenever she touches something, even if it's like, my wallet on the table, I'm like, don't finger my wallet. She's like, Oh, she
Arden Benner 3:16
but that's, that's her. She's taking it the wrong way, because people can always say, like, why are you fingering my food? Why? It's just, it's just a thing. Yeah,
Scott Benner 3:24
she's dirty in her mouth. Yeah, I gotcha. Yeah.
Arden Benner 3:26
She's like, a little teenage boy.
Scott Benner 3:27
Anyway, when I say, like, Oh, I'm sorry about the noise, people on the other end always say, like, I didn't hear it. But no, I didn't
Arden Benner 3:33
think they would hear it. I just thought it was funny because it sounded like she was dumb with the dog.
Scott Benner 3:37
Like, it's like, it's like, she put food in his bowl, but she dropped it from 40 feet. Yeah, that's what it sounded like. She just like her. I don't that'll make it in there. My shoulder hurts, shoulder. Oh, her. That's probably, yeah, we should make fun of her. She's in pain with her shoulder. She might hear this one day, and it'll hurt her feelings. I think she'll listen. She does not listen to my podcast.
Arden Benner 3:58
No, she will because I'm on it. That's what I'm thinking. Maybe because she loves me more. I
Scott Benner 4:03
came downstairs today, I was like, Kelly, I put out a great episode today. I think you would find it really interesting. Do you think you'll listen to it? She's like, No, no,
Unknown Speaker 4:11
I don't listen to your podcast. You know, I
Scott Benner 4:13
made that podcast just for you, right?
Arden Benner 4:15
I know you did. Hopefully one day I can listen to it. Do you
Scott Benner 4:19
think you'll listen to it after my passing,
Arden Benner 4:20
if you pass before me,
Scott Benner 4:24
all right, what is it today that we don't understand you? Tell me you have the list in front of you. Well, it's your list, but all it says is fingernails. What is that I don't I mean, what is your question? Even?
Arden Benner 4:37
Where are they coming from? Someone? Tell
Unknown Speaker 4:39
me where? Oh,
Scott Benner 4:41
so you're saying they're getting longer, but if I feel behind my cuticle, it's not like they're back there and coming out. Like, well,
Arden Benner 4:49
technically, I do know it's true that, like, back behind your cuticle, a little bit your fingernails, lies there, and it's growing from there. It's growing out.
Speaker 1 4:58
It's growing. Going from there or from the tip? No, it's growing from back more the tip is dead,
Scott Benner 5:05
yeah, deader. Wait right here. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1 5:09
not dead, honey. It's not growing from here. No, it's growing from back here. Okay, figure out grows that way, right?
Scott Benner 5:18
Yes, please don't make fun of me while we're making
Arden Benner 5:21
this. Well, that was crazy.
Scott Benner 5:24
Okay, okay,
Arden Benner 5:26
so it's growing, Jesus Christ, it's growing. It's
Scott Benner 5:31
growing from the back, but my finger side, yes, but, but behind the cuticle and under the skin.
Arden Benner 5:37
I do know that to be true.
Scott Benner 5:38
But how do you know that?
Speaker 1 5:41
I mean no is a strong word. US smart people know things your assumption. No, I know that's true. So it's a thing you heard, yeah, okay, and I know that is true, right? That's fair enough. So, like, when I think of this question, I think of Wolverine,
Scott Benner 5:56
you know, X Men, yeah,
Arden Benner 5:59
but if you cut his claws, they would just like, they're a
Scott Benner 6:03
certain length. You know, his claws are made out of the same metals Captain America's shield. I do know such a thing, okay, so, but my point is that they're inside of his arm and they jut out, yeah. So the growth in my mind is like that, like it's pushing out from inside, yeah, but, yeah, yeah, so, but it's building the nail somewhere, like a 3d like a 3d printer.
Arden Benner 6:26
Well, also same to be said with, like, your hair, yeah?
Unknown Speaker 6:30
Because there's not hair inside my brain,
Arden Benner 6:33
like the follicles are on top and then they grow or whatnot. For some reason that makes more sense to me than the fingernail thing.
Scott Benner 6:39
It seems like the same exact thing to me. I
Arden Benner 6:41
don't know. It feels weird because they're like, hard.
Scott Benner 6:46
That's not what I meant. I meant because it's growing from the base, and there's nothing I know, but it
Arden Benner 6:50
just feels unrealistic, because it's like, when I feel that under my skin, like it's like,
Scott Benner 6:55
you can but like now, so like, when you put us, you put a seed in the ground, and it eventually turns into a plant. Where does even that come from? It's got to be the same process in my fingernails, doesn't it? No, I think you're wrong. There's materials that turn into something else
Arden Benner 7:14
and well, obviously that's how it works, but I just don't understand.
Scott Benner 7:18
Okay, so what is it? We have to find out. What is your question? Where do fingernails grow from? Okay, should we ask?
Arden Benner 7:29
You know, what else? What I think is really interesting, how your teeth are bones,
Scott Benner 7:35
yeah, and they grow too, but if you break a bone, it
Arden Benner 7:38
doesn't grow back. Well, yeah, neither do your teeth.
Scott Benner 7:40
How come a gecko can drop its tail and grow it back again? I know that's like some spider man question. When you think of Wolverine, do you think of mall rats? I don't know what mall rats are. More rats a movie with Kevin Smith, where, at some point in the movie, J Muse pretends to be, they're, they're talking about this blueprint of a robbery. They're a robbery, or they're going to take the hat of a secure I forget exactly, but at some point he at the end, he goes and bickety, bam. And then when I think of Wolverine, I think of the words bickety, bam. No,
Arden Benner 8:16
why would I think of that? Wolverine reminds me of Mickey Mouse.
Unknown Speaker 8:18
Wolverine reminds you have Mickey Mouse the same, like hair.
Arden Benner 8:22
Mickey Mouse doesn't have hair his ears, the way his ears are, like Wolverine's little like this, like his hair, because they have, like, his Wolverines like hair supposed to be, I think, like, like a wolf's ears. I'm pretty sure.
Unknown Speaker 8:33
Okay, it's
Arden Benner 8:34
style. Mickey Mouse
Unknown Speaker 8:35
does not have hair. It has he has ears. What is the top of his head? Though it
Scott Benner 8:39
looks plasticky, it's ears. Wait, hold on. I almost forgot what we were talking about. Okay, I'm good. Now, where do, how do what's the question?
Arden Benner 8:50
Where do fingernails grow from? Do
Scott Benner 8:52
you think chat GPT right now is like calling the NSA and they're like, there's a guy in New Jersey, and he seems really dumb. I think you should go get him. Where do human fingernails grow from? Yeah, my daughter is 20 years old. I can't even believe it. She was diagnosed with type one diabetes when she was two, and she put her first insulin pump on when she was four. That insulin pump was an OmniPod, and it's been an OmniPod every day since then. That's 16 straight years of wearing OmniPod. It's been a friend to us, and I believe it could be a friend to you. Omnipod.com/juicebox, whether you get the OmniPod dash or the automation that's available with the OmniPod five, you are going to enjoy tubeless insulin pumping. You're going to be able to jump into a shower or a pool or a bathtub without taking off your pump. That's right, you will not have to disconnect to bathe with an OmniPod. You also won't have to disconnect to play a sport or to do anything where a regular tube pump has to come off. Arden has been wearing an OmniPod. For 16 years. She knows other people that wear different pumps, and she has never once asked the question, should I be trying a different pump? Never once omnipod.com/juice box, get a pump that you'll be happy with forever. The podcast is sponsored today by the place where I get my oh gosh, my sheets, my towels, some of my clothing, a lot of the things that I stay warm or comfortable with. Cozy earth.com I'm wearing a pair of cozy Earth joggers right now. I've recently gotten another pair in a different color. I sleep on cozy Earth sheets. They are so comfortable and soft and temperate, temperate meaning I'm never hot or cold, which is really saying something, because my wife loves to turn that giant fan on, but they keep me nice and warm without making me, like, sweaty or moist. You know what I mean? You don't want to be moist while you're sleeping. And then, of course, the waffle towels I use every day to dry off my bits and parts after I've showered. Cozyearth.com use the offer code juice box at checkout to save 40% off of your entire order. I'm not saying 40% off of one item. I'm saying 40% off of everything you put in the cart. Cozyearth.com use the offer code juice box at checkout. They grow from the nail matrix, which is located under the skin at the base of the nail. The nail matrix is the tissue or root. Oh, root under the what? Why'd you say?
Unknown Speaker 11:33
I said seed earlier.
Arden Benner 11:35
All right, keep going under
Scott Benner 11:37
the cuticle at the base of the nail, it is responsible for producing new cells that become the nail plate. As these new cells are produced, they push older cells forward, which causes the nail to grow outward. Nail plate is the hard, visible part of the nail. Okay, so this, it's made up of layers of Do you know calcium? Keratin, a protein keratin
Arden Benner 12:03
like that you put in your hair to make it silky. Yes,
Scott Benner 12:06
just like in the shampoo commercials, what is in the shampoo? It's not ground up fingernails, right?
Arden Benner 12:12
Ew, why would you say that? What's
Scott Benner 12:14
got to be something?
Arden Benner 12:17
Why would it? What would make you think that is true?
Scott Benner 12:20
Because at one point, wasn't soap Well,
Unknown Speaker 12:23
fat or something,
Scott Benner 12:24
I don't know. All right, hold on.
Arden Benner 12:28
Hold on to that thought. Your thought, you hold on to it. Cuticle is
Scott Benner 12:31
the thin layer of skin at the base of the nail, protecting the matrix from infection. When you get a I hate to say this out loud when you get a manicure? Does it hurt when they trim your cuticles? If they cut them? I find it painful, even if they Oh, my God, listen to me now explain to people that I've had a manicure like when they soak them really well it helps, because
Arden Benner 12:58
it like makes them soft. Yes, yeah.
Scott Benner 13:02
Have you ever noticed how weird My nails are?
Arden Benner 13:04
I don't look at your nails.
Scott Benner 13:06
You really don't know. I'm so self conscious about them. You're not aware of how odd My nails are. So weird hands. My hands are weird. They're
Arden Benner 13:12
so sausagey.
Scott Benner 13:14
I do have really big hands. Yeah, okay, my hands are huge, but that's not what we're talking about. I'm talking about that my nails have a white tip. I'm
Arden Benner 13:23
just telling you you have other things you should be insecure about, and your fingernails are not one of them.
Speaker 1 13:31
I look like I have a French manicure. That's what everyone's nails look like. Wait, everyone has a French manicure? Yeah. Why am I? Why are mine so white? Though I think that's healthy.
Scott Benner 13:41
Wait, this is a good thing. Yeah, I think so. We're gonna find out, because I've been worried about this my whole life. No, I
Unknown Speaker 13:47
think that's bothered me since I was a child. Yeah, I
Arden Benner 13:50
think it's been decent parents.
Scott Benner 13:51
I'm gonna explain it to me. The nail bed is the skin underneath the nail plate. So the plates, the hard part on the top, the cuticle, is the thing that protects you from infection, and the bed is that soft skin stuff underneath, it's not really that soft. Oh my gosh. Hold on, it supplies nutrients and support to the nail plate as it grows. How do it do that?
Unknown Speaker 14:13
You lost me a little bit.
Scott Benner 14:14
The nail bed underneath of your nail is adding is giving nutrients to the plate as it's being built. Right cuticle plate bed. You got it so far.
Arden Benner 14:25
We're in a dark room. I don't know what you're doing.
Scott Benner 14:28
Stop it now. There's also something. There's something called a lunilla, the Lula. Oh, is the whitest? The whitish? How I describe myself, the whitish, crescent shaped area at the base of the nail, visible under the nail plate. So it's kind of the fleshier colored part of the like, right in here of the plate, in by the cuticle. Okay,
Arden Benner 14:53
I didn't know, because, isn't it like, if a nail is like, say it's a square like, it's like that, and then it's like that. It
Unknown Speaker 14:59
has. Like it's dark in here. I can't see what you're doing. Shut up. It's it is just
Arden Benner 15:04
flipped me off. He just flipped me off. By the way. Case you were all wondering,
Scott Benner 15:08
it is part of the nail matrix and is sometimes more visible on certain fingers than others. I have seen people whose lungulas are larger than other people's. Why
Arden Benner 15:17
are you looking at this?
Scott Benner 15:19
You don't ever notice that on people's fingers? No, I
Arden Benner 15:21
don't look at people's hands
Scott Benner 15:22
ever. No, you and I have a similar problem with our finger. Don't
Arden Benner 15:29
tell them.
Scott Benner 15:30
I think they know. They know about mine. I
Unknown Speaker 15:32
don't know if they know about yours. Mine's worse than yours.
Scott Benner 15:35
You think your finger, your pointer finger, is bent further
Arden Benner 15:37
than mine is all of my fingers are bent more than yours.
Scott Benner 15:40
Mine, my left. Wait, this is my right, my right. My right pointer finger bends to the right, like towards the middle finger, pretty drastically, but it also twists that way at the same time,
Unknown Speaker 15:56
so it's twisted and bent.
Arden Benner 15:58
Yeah, let's not start with me. Actually. Do you know that I went to the nail salon when I was little, and the woman who worked there told me that I would be a great hand model. And then I told her. I was like, my fingers are a little crooked. She was like, let me see. And she held them up. She goes, Oh, yeah, you couldn't
Unknown Speaker 16:14
do it. Tell people what they said the last time you went to get your nails done.
Scott Benner 16:19
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Arden Benner 17:18
Okay, so I've been at college. Obviously, I go there for like, five months straight. I don't come home, don't see anyone, and I've been taking, what am I taking? It's switched like four times. I feel but in gerano, yeah, okay, which obviously makes you skinny Mini and I come back and I've lost some weight, and it's not like, I like, I hope I wasn't that when I left, but I come back, and I know all the people at the nail salon we live in, like, a pretty small town, and I walk in there, they say hi to me, everything. And there's this guy who works there. I know him very well, because I've been going there since I was a little kid. And he comes over and he always does the nail polish for me, and he's doing it, and he looks at me, he's like, are you okay? Are you healthy? And I was like, yeah, yeah, I'm good. And I was like, That's That was a weird question to ask. Like, he's never asked me, but he's being nice, making sure I'm good at school. And he's like, Are you sure? And I was like, yeah, why? And he was like, you lost a lot of weight. And I was like, Oh, God. And this is where he gets me. He goes, What did he say? He goes at least 20 or 30 pounds. And I thought, all right, well, shut the up. Like I wasn't. I wasn't wearing tight fitting clothing, nothing. I was just like there was wearing just pants and a shirt, and He, God, made me feel like a little fatty pig. I
Scott Benner 18:38
was buying a plant at a, like, a, what do you call that? Like a nursery, and I'm paying and I'm talking to the guy who I've known for years. And we are good. 20 seconds into our, like, back and forth, and he goes, Oh, hey, it's you. What's up? I went, what? Like, we were already been talking, you know what I mean? And he goes, You look so different. And I said, Oh, thank you. I've lost weight. I just preempted him. But thank you, in case he was because, you know, sometimes people are like, do you have have you Are you sick? Like, you know what I mean? Like, that's why I was being asked. Everyone thinks you have cancer when you lose weight, yeah, yeah. So I'm like, I'm like, No, you know, I and I tell people right away. I'm like, I used that drug you might have been hearing about, I've lost like, 50 pounds. He goes, Oh, you look terrific. And I was like, thank you. And he goes, he lost 50 pounds. And I said, he goes, That's not possible. How could you have lost that much weight? And I said, Well, this is my starting weight. And he goes, Oh, my God, you weighed that much. And I said, Yeah. And he goes, I don't see any loose skin on you. And then I realized he's, like, really looking at me, and he goes, Yeah, like, under your arms look good. And he goes, in your double Chin's gone. And I'm like, I thought I didn't need to lose weight. What happened? He was he was so double Chin's gone. It's not bad for a person who lost weight. No, I'm
Arden Benner 19:57
not saying, it's like, I'm just saying, Did
Unknown Speaker 19:59
he actually say? He said that, I swear to God, Oh, I
Arden Benner 20:01
love that. You know me so well. You thought I was still saying it was there. Yeah,
Scott Benner 20:05
I thought, I thought you were making fun of me, for sure.
Arden Benner 20:07
Should have I didn't.
Scott Benner 20:09
Okay, hold on a second. So what are we talking about? Cell production, cells. I don't want to get back into this. This is your question. You asked about this cells in the nail matrix, divide and multiply. These new cells produce keratin and become part of the nail plate, and then the outward growth pushes it forward. And now here's growth rate. Fingernails typically grow about how much per month. Uh, oh, per month. Um, what are you thinking about? Centimeters?
Oh, wow. Three millimeters. 1.2 inches. Excuse me, point one. Two inches per month. Nail growth can be influenced by factors such as age, health, nutrition and even the season. And nails tend to grow faster in the summer, also for people listening because it is a diabetes podcast that they might be listening inside of your nails can get weird if your thyroid is messed up. And you can get these pit this pitting in your nails if your iron is low. Don't do that. People need to know stuff like that. You can get these. Do you ever see people with ridges in their nails,
Arden Benner 21:17
like little I don't look at people's hands like that. Well,
Unknown Speaker 21:19
it's a way to figure out your health. I
Scott Benner 21:23
understand why you're upset with me. You don't want to help people get helped by stuff like that. They'll be listening back. I was listening to this guy and his dumb daughter doesn't know anything, and they were talking about fingernails, and I learned that my
Arden Benner 21:37
iron to this beautiful girl and her freaky dad, who looks at people's hands, so however she
Scott Benner 21:41
ends up saying it like you might end up helping her. But here's the real deal, we need to know, where does keratin in shampoo come from?
Arden Benner 21:53
What?
Unknown Speaker 21:54
Why are we looking this up? Oh, because, oh, are
Scott Benner 21:56
you afraid it's gonna ruin shampoo for you? No. Oh, I think it's going to stop. Oh, look at this. Yeah, you're not gonna like this at all. Okay, but
Arden Benner 22:06
tell me, animal
Speaker 1 22:07
derived keratin, sheep wool, that's fine. Kerington is often extracted from you're saying it right?
Scott Benner 22:15
Keratin? I think it's,
Arden Benner 22:16
is it keratin? I think it's cured keratin, not keratin. No. Keratin. No. Keratin. Keratin. That's not what you're saying. You're singing like a you from Philly.
Scott Benner 22:25
It sounds the way it sounds. I don't know what you want from not an excuse I got you out of Philly. Now you have some bastardized northeast version of talking a keratin is often extra. I also can't say the name Carrie. Carrie. Yeah. Can I say it? It sounds different to me when you say it than what I see curry. I think I'm you're saying
Arden Benner 22:46
curry, curry. Yeah, you're saying curry. Like, see you are like, Steph Curry. But
Scott Benner 22:50
when you say say it, Carrie, that sounds like Carrie to me. Carry Yeah,
Arden Benner 22:55
no, your E's and your A's are so wrong. It's unbelievable. You should be humiliated.
Scott Benner 23:02
I am a little humiliated. It's extracted from sheep wool, which is a rich and sustainable source. The wool is processed to break down the keratin protein into a form that can be used into cosmetic products. Now here's another way they get it, from bird feathers.
Arden Benner 23:18
I don't have a problem with any of these
Scott Benner 23:20
chickens are another common source of keratin. They are processed similarly to wool extract, and they it's extracted, okay, cattle hooves and horns. No problem with that. Keratin can also be extracted from the hooves, and I don't care about the explanation, just
Unknown Speaker 23:36
give me them. That was it.
Scott Benner 23:42
There's also plant based keratin. Scientists have developed synthetic keratin, like proteins using biotechnology, which just sounds like you get in scalp cancer. But let's take a look. These alternatives mimic the properties of natural keratin are used in vegan and cruelty free products. Oh, the ones you said you were in no trouble with were cruel, hmm, says they're cruel. I mean, where do you think the hooves from the you think that they just trim the nails to the cows dead? I don't know. After they kill the cow for meat, they lop off the feet and make
Arden Benner 24:13
shampoo with it. Okay, well, it's already dead.
Scott Benner 24:17
Like that's the argument of the animal side. But, okay, also soy, wheat, corn. Plant proteins from sources like soy, wheat and corn can be hydrolyzed, broken down into smaller molecules to create carton like proteins. These hydrolyzed plant proteins are then used in shampoos and vegan alternatives to animal derived carton. The production process is the carton is extracted from animal byproducts through a process of hydrolysis, hydrolysis, hydraulic hydrolysis. Done. Hydrolysis, hydrolysis.
Arden Benner 24:48
I've heard that word one
Scott Benner 24:49
more time, okay, where the protein is broken down into smaller peptides, amino acids. GLP, one's a peptide.
Unknown Speaker 24:56
Were you trying to say amino acids? Did I not say amino.
Scott Benner 25:01
And because I just having another thought at the same time,
Arden Benner 25:03
the extracted characters that you're like talking so much right now,
Unknown Speaker 25:07
do you want to read? No, I
Arden Benner 25:09
just fear that this is too much reading and we have to talk. Okay,
Scott Benner 25:13
so, so enough of what keratin is. Yeah. I say,
Arden Benner 25:18
like they can wikiHow this. Well, if
Scott Benner 25:21
they can do that, then what do they need? The podcast. For?
Arden Benner 25:23
That's the whole point. Is, we're supposed to talk. We're supposed to be the entertainers. How
Scott Benner 25:26
would I tell a child how fingernails grow?
Arden Benner 25:32
Are you serious? Right now, I
Scott Benner 25:33
want to see if it dumbs it down, because there's part of me that doesn't understand what the matrix is. Oh, it calls it the nail factory, the matrix. I didn't like that. Explain the MIT, the nail matrix in more detail. I know this is going to be I think, I hope somebody finds this interesting, because I kind of do just so hot in here. I Yeah, you gotta take off your sweatshirt? No, okay. Oh my god. We're almost done with this anyway. Let's just tell people that Nell matrix is found beneath the Q. We know that the primary function, we know that the matrix so you
Arden Benner 26:12
know what I'm realizing, yeah, that it didn't dig any deeper. No, not even not that there's not that like, you don't actually have to dig that deep for anything. Nothing's that deep.
Scott Benner 26:24
I see what your point is. You know, like, there's no more to be told about, but, yeah, like, that's
Arden Benner 26:28
just what it is. Well, there is, I mean, I'm sure there's more to it, but that's like, science, that's like, that's getting, like, gets into like, molecules and stuff like that, not just the explanation, yeah, yeah. But for explanations, there's only so much that you can say,
Scott Benner 26:41
Okay, I do have a question. Why is nail fungus so hard to get rid of?
Arden Benner 26:49
Why do you have so much trouble with this?
Scott Benner 26:52
I don't have so I want to just first say, I do not have nail fungus, but I've heard people get it, and it's really difficult to get rid of, like toenail fungus and stuff tough pro so it says that dense keratin, keratin, I don't know how to keratin. You've messed me up now on that.
Arden Benner 27:10
No, you were already messing it up
Scott Benner 27:13
there, protein that is difficult for medications to penetrate. It makes it hard for the antifungal treatments. Oh, it makes sense. Pause,
Arden Benner 27:20
don't me and Cole have too much keratin in our skin, and that's why we get those weird patches.
Scott Benner 27:25
Do I have that too? Is that what, like, old, like, I have some age marks? Is that what age marks are?
Arden Benner 27:30
No, I think you're just old.
Scott Benner 27:34
Wait, wait, can? What's the question? Can too much?
Arden Benner 27:38
It's not a question. It's just like, is that true what I just said,
Scott Benner 27:42
Where do you think you have patches? What is it you've heard?
Arden Benner 27:47
Like, you know, like me and Cole, like, sometimes, like, on our stomachs, we'll get like, darker patches, and we're like, what is that? And then we have to use, like, that special whatever to wipe it off in your belly
Scott Benner 27:56
button. Yeah? Oh, my god, yeah. What is that?
Arden Benner 28:00
It's, I think it's keratin. Probably it's like a build up of keratin.
Scott Benner 28:05
Oh, and like dark spots on their skin though, too. That's
Arden Benner 28:08
probably the same thing, um,
Scott Benner 28:12
small, rough bumps to appear on the skin. Yours isn't rough, arms, thighs, cheeks or buttocks. You ever get on your buttocks? I
Arden Benner 28:18
don't think so. I can't see back there, though.
Scott Benner 28:20
So this isn't that. That's not that. No, I
Arden Benner 28:23
swear it is. Oh, wait,
Scott Benner 28:24
and then there's so it also talks about psoriasis ichthyosis, a group of genetic skin disorders characterized by dry, scaly skin. Yours isn't scaly, so a buildup of keratin can make these things. No, I think I'm right, and psoriasis is an autoimmune condition that accelerates the growth cycle of skin cells. Psoriasis.
Arden Benner 28:44
Kim Kardashian, she's always like, my psoriasis is acting up. Does
Unknown Speaker 28:49
she say that? Yeah,
Arden Benner 28:50
oh my god. Like every episode of the Kardashians, there
Speaker 1 28:53
was a commercial, psoriasis isn't a problem, right, right? But, Kim Kardashian,
Scott Benner 28:59
there was a commercial when I was a kid for something called Gold Bond. And it was like a cream and it would say, Do you know the the like it would, it would, oh, my god. How do they put it? Are
Unknown Speaker 29:12
you gonna mask this thing,
Scott Benner 29:14
Gold Bond? Use your brain. Do you know the dad?
Arden Benner 29:19
I think that chat GGP is going to be the reason that you stop using your brain. It could be, and that's not because it knows everything, no, but it actually doesn't, because it cannot help me with my math homework.
Scott Benner 29:29
I think your problem with your math homework was your teacher. Yeah, right. That was upsetting.
Arden Benner 29:37
That's just, that's just the education system. I'm telling you. That's why I don't understand money.
Scott Benner 29:42
That's in another episode, okay, I think we're done. You understand how nails grow? No, but it's fine. No, the matrix makes the cells and they double and build and they get it.
Arden Benner 29:55
You don't do you do understand? I
Scott Benner 29:57
was proud of myself because I think I understand this. Point? No, I
Arden Benner 30:00
get it. It's just not as deep as I wanted it to be. What
Unknown Speaker 30:02
did you expect was happening? It's like, you know, you
Arden Benner 30:04
know how we're talking about, like, when you travel somewhere and you think it's going to be so much different from where you already are, and it's like, actually not that different at all. That's just how the world works. I think, yeah, disappointing, isn't it? The world is kind of a little disappointing, okay, because it's like, it's so interesting. Like, you every day, like, you're supposed to talk to people and make conversation, but you can only make conversation of what you've done that day. But they're like, I don't want to, like, hear about this over and over and over again, but then it's like, well, that's all I got. Like, that is what we have to talk about. Like, I don't know what to tell you,
Scott Benner 30:37
that's my day. I can talk about this or nothing, yeah. Well, how come people, you know, I woke up this morning because in my dream I was so I had a dream last night that I was trapped in a house with some people that I grew up with, and I forget why we couldn't get out like as I look back on it, now, I know it was this incredibly detailed dream, but I forget almost all the details. So
Arden Benner 30:58
who was in my dream last night? Go ahead. Homelander from the boys. Yeah,
Scott Benner 31:03
was he mean, or did he like you? He actually
Arden Benner 31:05
liked me, which made me feel like I might be a terrible person, but we can get to that in a cycle. Okay,
Scott Benner 31:10
so I woke up because I finally gotten out of the house, right? Like we've been trapped in this house for so long, it felt like we were never gonna get out like we were prisoners. And then there it was. The door was open and I could leave. And I said, Hey,
Speaker 1 31:27
I gotta pee before we go. All right? And I walked back in the house to pee, okay? And then I woke up and I had to pee. Are you acting like that is crazy. I don't think it's crazy. Not crazy at all. That happens to people all the time. How come we don't tell people about that in
Scott Benner 31:39
the middle of the day when they ask how you're doing? And I said, I say,
Arden Benner 31:42
I would tell people about that, but the problem is, if I tell that to mom or call, they're gonna be like, Okay, that's stupid.
Scott Benner 31:47
But we have a weird division in our house, though, because you and I think alike and they think alike. Yeah, yeah. So wait, what was this about homelander?
Arden Benner 31:57
Oh, I had a dream last night that homelander was in and I think some of the boys cast was in it, but I remember him being there because I don't know where we were, we were not we were not at home, but I feel like we were definitely like northeast, but as more like city, like, not like New York, kind of like suburbs, I don't know, But I'm in someone's house, and then he just, like, showed up, and I was like, Well, I know, like, he's gonna kill us. And for some reason, like, he thought I had information that I did not have, and I had to be like, I do not have this information. And he, like, fully believed me, because I did not have it, and I, like, was not afraid to tell him that. I was like, I don't have the information you're looking for. And I was like, but I know someone who might so then I took him somewhere. It was like, to a shop or something. I don't know why. And then after we were there, like, we had to fight some bad people. Makes me wonder if they were bad, because I was with homelander. And then after it was over, he like, I was just a normal person, but he like, really, he thought I was really smart, and he trusted me, because I was like, I'm not gonna get killed by you. Like, I'm getting out of this. Situation, because I'm not a part of it. And then we were kind of like,
Scott Benner 33:06
buddies after that. Do you think that in that dream, homelander was college, and you were working your way through it, and it didn't kill you? No, not at all. I think you just made that up. Okay, I
Arden Benner 33:15
was just wondering. I think you might have been in like, I actually think I saved your life. Oh, I
Scott Benner 33:18
was hoping I was gonna be a superhero. But no, no,
Arden Benner 33:20
none of us were superheroes. That hurts. Yeah, and I didn't see him, like laser, anyone or anything, did I?
Unknown Speaker 33:27
I don't know. I think everybody's watching
Scott Benner 33:30
this show that knows what you're talking about. Me should watch it. If they have Amazon Prime to watch it. Well, they should watch it. How weird is it that if you have Amazon Prime, your packages get there sooner, and you get to watch the boys.
Arden Benner 33:43
Yeah, interesting. And upload
Speaker 1 33:45
and upload. Oh, people don't do people know upload. I don't think people know upload. Good
Scott Benner 33:50
show, good show, Amazon Prime, made by the guy who produced the American office.
Speaker 1 33:56
Oh, really, yeah, I didn't know that. What's his name? Greg,
Scott Benner 34:01
something maybe hold on a second.
Arden Benner 34:04
How about Steve Carell gets better looking as time goes on.
Scott Benner 34:09
He does. Let's talk about that. Yeah, is he gray? Now? Yeah, he's gray. Greg Daniels is the guy's name, by the way. He's worked on the US version of the office parks and rec, King of the Hill, and, of course, upload, which is a great show on Amazon Prime, only three seasons. Yeah, I think there's another one coming. There's been two, and there's one more coming, and there's three, and there's another,
Arden Benner 34:35
there's one more coming, or there might be more than that, but it's like, definitely, I think they're making it, for sure. I'm a fan. Yeah, it's really good. And the main guy with Robbie something, chef's kiss. You like him? He's the main character in the duff too, not the main character, but he's the main guy. I've liked him since I was little. Wait. And his cousin is the green arrow,
Speaker 1 34:57
Steven Amel. Amel, oh, it's Robbie Amel. Rob. You know, and when you said chef's kiss, was
Scott Benner 35:02
he in a show called chef's kiss? No, just were you giving him a chef's kiss? I thought that's what you're doing. I thought you were offering it. But then I was like, maybe it's a TV show on the CW, I don't know.
Arden Benner 35:10
No, but you're welcome for the bear, for that recommendation. Oh,
Scott Benner 35:13
the bear. Excellent. We'll have to, like, find a way to talk about television in some of these episodes, if we can. What am I hearing? Is it like scratching? Yeah,
Arden Benner 35:22
something's moving.
Scott Benner 35:24
It's one of the it's one of the chameleons, bugs. They can't get out of where they are. No, it's fine. They're fine. They can't get to you don't
Arden Benner 35:32
know that. It's like, it's it's really loud. It's just moving
Scott Benner 35:35
around. It's fine. It'll stop. They can't get out of there.
Speaker 1 35:39
Come on, you're okay. The chameleons have to eat. No, they don't Sure they do. How are they gonna get big and strong?
Arden Benner 35:46
You'll feed them whenever. But I text you, and I'm like, Hey, can you make breakfast? And you're like, Oh,
Unknown Speaker 35:50
do you think? Oh, my God. Do
Scott Benner 35:52
you think it's a good idea to record yourself telling people that at 20 years old you're texting me, yeah, a couple more days at 19 years old, you're texting me to make you breakfast. I
Arden Benner 36:00
think that makes perfect sense. You only get me in this house for so long.
Speaker 1 36:04
I've had you for 20 years already. No, I go to college. It feels like long enough, and then I come home and I expect you expect for me to make you breakfast every day, but you're also making yourself breakfast and not at the same time. You get up later than me. You should get up later when you asked me to make you breakfast this morning, I had been up for five hours already,
Arden Benner 36:25
Dad, I don't want to talk about it. I had a bad night. I did not feel good. I had cramps.
Scott Benner 36:30
I know I'm sorry. Okay, we're done with this one. I think this was good. Thank you. Goodbye.
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Cheyenne was diagnosed with T1D in 2022 and she has experienced workplace discrimination.
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Scott Benner 0:00
Hello friends and welcome back to another episode of The juicebox podcast.
Cheyenne is here. She has type one diabetes since 2022 she's in her 30s. Cheyenne is on the show today to talk about discrimination that she met at her job at a weed dispenser, and she's going to tell us about having her gallbladder removed. I'm pretty sure this is the only podcast where you're getting those two stories in the same episode. Nothing you hear on the juicebox podcast should be considered advice medical or otherwise, always consult a physician before making any changes to your healthcare plan. Don't forget to save 40% off of your entire order@cozyearth.com All you have to do is use the offer code juicebox at checkout. That's juicebox at checkout to save 40 percent@cozyearth.com when you place your first order for AG, one, with my link, you'll get five free travel packs and a free year supply of vitamin D drink. AG, one.com/juicebox. Lots of people with autoimmune seem to have trouble with their thyroid, and that's why I've made the defining thyroid series, juicebox podcast.com. Click on defining thyroid the menu to find out more.
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Cheyenne 2:39
And here to basically, kind of go over some things about discrimination and what it's like to be diabetic and working with, you know, discriminatory practices
Scott Benner 2:53
well. So let me get a couple things from you. Okay, so yeah, when were you diagnosed with type one? How old are you now? So
Cheyenne 2:59
I was diagnosed with type one in 2022 and let's see, I am 31 now. So I was 29 when I was diagnosed. And basically I the trajectory of how that worked was, I had a gallbladder removal surgery in June. I started working at this dispensary in August, and we were not due to open to the public until December of that year, so we were pretty much meeting virtually up until then, and I got diagnosed with diabetes, pretty much, actually, strangely, by my primary. You know, it was the typical symptoms of thirsty. I mean, I was going through like two gallons of you could find me with a gallon of water consistently. I was peeing every 20 minutes. Losing a lot of weight. I looked like, it's like, Why do I feel like this? What's going on? But hey, I look amazing. So I was like, hell yeah, but no, I really look terrible. But either way, I got diagnosed by my primary, who was like, Hey, I think you might have type one diabetes. And I'm like, I don't know what that is, because I'm like, the only one in my immediate family. We had no prior knowledge to diabetes at all. I was like, diet, what? Super confused. And he was like, Yeah, you know, you might have diabetes. So between him thinking I have diabetes and having to confirm that with insurance to get cleared for insulin, I ended up in DKA pretty severely, and I was in the ICU for about five days. I went in, you know, it was Thanksgiving, and I was like, why am I so sick? You know, what's going on? I was projectile vomiting all over the place. Went into the hospital, and they were like, full blown. DK, oh, full blown. I mean, literally, like, I got very lucky in the fact that, because I'm a pukey guy. I puke literally, like, over everything, all the time. So at the time, we were like, Am I just puking because I'm having a stomach issue? Am I puking because I have the flu? And we were like, all right, something's wrong here. Our doctor was like, Hey, you might have diabetes. Maybe these two things are connected. So
Scott Benner 5:17
I have to tell you, Cheyenne, I know we're going to talk about, like, job discrimination at some point, but I'm gonna be hard pressed not to call this episode A pukey gal.
Cheyenne 5:26
Please do like, Yes, I'm for it.
Scott Benner 5:30
So let me make sure I understand the timeline a little bit. You've started a new job, you have your gallbladder removed, yeah, okay, yep. And then a couple of months later, you start vomiting, and you're losing weight, you're excessively drinking that kind of stuff. Is that all
Cheyenne 5:46
right? Definitely. Yeah. So Thanksgiving, I'm in the hospital, and it's pretty bad. When you go in there, the ER is full. They take you immediately, and they take me back. They took my blood sugar and said, Oh my god, oh my God. And that must have been the scientific word for what was going on, because that's all anybody could ever say. Was holy and oh my god. And they immediately admitted me. And from what I understand, my a 1c going in there was almost 18, which was the hot, yeah, that was apparently the highest I just thought that I couldn't see because I couldn't see either, like, my vision was blurry. I was just like, weak. I get pictures actually, from when I was first admitted. And I was like, This is what this looks like. How
Scott Benner 6:31
long? Hey, Shane, how long do you think you had been type one and not known? It probably about
Cheyenne 6:39
six to eight weeks, okay? And it was, it wasn't, it wasn't too long, but it was long enough, for sure, to where my body was like, Well, this is wrong something, something's really wrong here. Yeah, so I'm in there, and they're like, Yeah, this is definitely wrong. This. There's something going on. And they finally, they didn't give me, I think, my first insulin shot until, like, the after 24 hours or so, but as soon as they did, it's like my whole body woke up. I was like, oh, oh, I feel better now. I can see I stopped throwing up, and I'm like, oh, that's, that's what I need. Was insulin.
Scott Benner 7:13
So, so hey, why did you have your gallbladder out?
Cheyenne 7:16
So I was actually having, I was having stomach issues to the point where I was, like, constantly puking, and like, I still have, like, I have suspicions that I have, like, something called Barrett's esophagus. I've got some pretty I've had, like, two upper GIS, and I've, I can't It's a weird, strange thing about me. I physically cannot burp. I've never been able to burp. It's like, air comes up my throat and then returns down to my stomach, so it's always caused me stomach issues. And they were like, Here, let's get your gallbladder out. And I was like, Can I have a piece of what's in my gallbladder? And the doctor was like, Yeah, sure, if I can get you one. And he vacuums it out and says it was like, grains of sand in there. And then let
Scott Benner 7:58
me ask you a weird question, yeah? So you have stomach acid, you have acid reflux, oh,
Cheyenne 8:03
horribly. I cannot miss a single dose of like, an antacid a day, or I am in trouble and I don't drink. I'm a person who doesn't drink anything but water or coffee.
Scott Benner 8:14
Do you think you have low iron?
Cheyenne 8:16
Have you ever been definitely, definitely, because I take iron. I take, yeah, okay,
Scott Benner 8:21
because the proton pump inhibitors that you're taking for the acid blocks iron uptake. And this is going to sound crazy, I have Barrett's okay. I don't know how badly I have it or not, but they said they saw like the beginnings of it when they scoped me. I think I'm supposed to go back again, I guess I should do that, and my iron is always low, like to the point where I needed infusions, like I was shutting off, but I went on a GLP medication a year ago for weight loss. It's actually been like 13 months ago now, and I've lost 50 pounds. So that's nice, but the GLP slows down your digestion, right? So when my digestion slowed down, my acid reflux started to go away, and I just had my blood work done yesterday, and my ferritin level is 180 and I haven't had an infusion in over a year. That's crazy. Yeah, by now, my iron, my ferritin level, would have been in the teens without the GLP medication. So I'm not saying you need a GLP, but I'm saying I feels like you and I have similar issues. This episode is sponsored by Medtronic diabetes. Medtronic diabetes.com/juicebox and now we're going to hear from Medtronic champion, Jalen. I
Speaker 1 9:39
was going straight into high school. So it was a summer. Heading into high school was that particularly difficult, unimaginable. You know, I missed my entire summer, so I went to I was going to a brand new school. I was around a bunch of new people that I had not been going to school with. So it was hard trying to balance that while also explaining to people what type one diabetes was. My hometown did not have an endocrinologist, so I was traveling over an hour to the nearest endocrinologist for children. So you know, outside of that, I didn't have any type of support in my hometown.
Scott Benner 10:12
Did you try to explain to people, or did you find it easier just to stay private?
Speaker 1 10:17
I honestly, I just held back. I didn't really like talking about it. It was just, it felt like it was just a repeating record where I was saying things and people weren't understanding it, and I also was still in the process of learning it, so I just kept it to myself. Didn't really talk about it. Did
Scott Benner 10:32
you eventually find people in real life that you could confide in? I never
Speaker 1 10:37
really got the experience until after getting to college, and then once I graduated college, it's all I see. You know, you can easily search Medtronic champions. You see people that pop up, and you're like, wow, look at all this content. And I think that's something that motivates me. Started embracing more. You know how I'm live with type one diabetes,
Scott Benner 10:57
Medtronic diabetes.com/juicebox, to hear more stories from the Medtronic champion community.
Cheyenne 11:05
Oh yeah, for sure, I've had these stomach and crazy issues pretty much ever since I've had a stomach like,
Scott Benner 11:12
I'm sorry. I'm asking you this, and I've No, you're good, and because we got we started in video, I've seen you, and you're like, younger than me, and I feel weird about this, but how do you poop? Is it good or not good?
Cheyenne 11:24
Oh, not. Okay. So here's the other thing too. So I, let's say this, I have not consumed more than about 500 to 800 calories in over
Scott Benner 11:35
15 years because you're afraid of what happens on the other side.
Cheyenne 11:38
Yes and no. It's for multiple reasons, for eating disorder, reasons for mental health reasons and for environmental reasons. Okay, pretty much so many factors that when they were like, diabetes, we were like, Huh, what like? Well, where did that come from? Because
Scott Benner 11:58
people think type two. They think weight, you're not heavy, like, that whole
Cheyenne 12:03
thing actually under. I would be considered somebody who's underweight. I went in that hospital at almost 92 pounds, and I am a, I think I'm like, 120 normal 122 right now, yeah, I'm
Scott Benner 12:16
just gonna ask, like, does the poop come out nice and like, the way you want it to be. Is it, like, reasonably firm, or is it squishy, or is it thin? Nah,
Cheyenne 12:24
it's like, squishy and floaty and like, Fatty, like, almost like celiac. But I've been tested for celiac and I don't have celiac. I'm
Scott Benner 12:30
gonna say something sideways crazy to you. Yeah, no, go for it. So I have an episode that'll be coming out later this year, with which I don't know if it'll probably be out before yours, I got together with like, a gut doctor, right? And he's not even a doctor. He's like a gut guru kind of guy, and I spend a half an hour, you'll hear it in the episode, explaining to him basically how my digestion works, you know, start to finish, and I get done, and he says, I'd like you to take slippery elm bark or slippery elm root. Oh, my God, let me look it up. I take it every day. Okay? I should probably know what it is, right?
Cheyenne 13:07
I know what that is, actually, yeah. Do you really? Yeah? I do. I do.
Scott Benner 13:11
Okay, so I slippery elm and I take these two tablets every time I eat. And in a day and a half, I was shooting like a king.
Cheyenne 13:24
I'm literally like, writing that down right now. It's going in my in my shopping cart.
Scott Benner 13:29
I'm gonna go into Amazon for you and actually find it for you, right? And so, like, you know? So then he said he also gave me a digestive enzyme to take along with it that actually had HCl in it, which is hydrochloric acid. I think, yeah, yeah. He goes, I know that seems counterintuitive, because, of course, you have, you feel like you have extra stomach acid. And I was like, right. He goes, but just like, you know, Humor me. And I was like, All right, man, like, whatever. So, all right, I'm gonna give it to you here. I'm taking Horbach slippery elm bark capsules. Oh, it's 4000 milligrams. They're like, $9 like, for, for, like, I don't know how many of them, 90 of them, or something like that, right? And, um, and I'm my stools come out the way you want them to.
Cheyenne 14:22
That's good, because I swear it's been a problem my whole life. I
Scott Benner 14:25
saw me too and and then I did. I added the the HCl like he asked me to. But I want to get that one for you. It's a digestive enzyme with an HCl. See if I can just search HCl. Oh, look at that. I bought Thorn beta team HCl and pepsin digestive enzymes for protein breakdown and absorption. 225 capsules. This was expenses. $42 for the 225 capsules. I'm taking one of them when I eat, along with two of the slippery ELMS and. It literally changed my life. Yeah, that's that's going in my shopping, right? And then, and then my son, who has, like, the same exact issue as me, I was like, try these, and he's now taking them without me asking him to, oh, wow, which says something. And so now that, here's the thing, is that this is masking a problem. It isn't fixing a problem, right, right? And so I am in the middle of doing like, a urinalysis for him, for the guy, and then he says that once he gets my urine analysis back, he'll be able to tell me what to do to hopefully heal this like and so we don't have to be masking it. So I don't know how that's actually going to go or not, but even if I just mask it for the rest of my life, it's way better than it was.
Cheyenne 15:41
Yeah, that's good to know, definitely, because I tell my primary a lot. I would like to just, instead of mask the issue, I would like to get to the root of the cause and attack the cause.
Scott Benner 15:52
If you take slippery elm and send me an email a week from now and you're like, I can't believe I'm going to the bathroom better. That's crazy. I would love to hear, I'd love to hear if it did or didn't work like but I'm gonna get past
Cheyenne 16:03
that. I'm gonna send you a poop diary. Oh, my God,
Scott Benner 16:05
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Cheyenne 17:31
funny. I'm putting I'm doing it right now. It's, like, already ordered and, like,
Scott Benner 17:36
I'm like, let me find out if this, like, if it's gonna help other people, then, like, let's do it. You know what I mean. Anyway, okay, I'm sorry. So you're in the hospital. DKA. I mean, you your, they said your ANC was like 18. What was your blood sugar? It had to be over 1000 Oh, god,
Cheyenne 17:49
yeah, it was like 1280, and so, so prior to that, I was still I was taking my blood sugar with like a meter. But to be honest, at that time, because I had no education in it, I didn't really know what I was looking for, yeah. So often the numbers I was seeing was between 360 and then just straight high, and I'd be looking at it like, yeah, hey, hi to you too. But can you tell me, like, what the number is? Because I don't know what I'm I don't know what I'm doing here, but I'm pretty sure that high needs bad and
Scott Benner 18:18
so remind me your GP. Put you on to the idea of diabetes, but really wasn't. But then you were in a fight about insulin with insurance. Is that right? Yes,
Cheyenne 18:26
yes. Because I was on Medicaid, and they were like, well, that's weird. We need to have, they wanted, like, two to three rounds of labs. And because I was, like, still working, I didn't really have the time between two weeks. Okay, yeah, it just kind of, it was a bad timeline. They were like, well, we need labs. And I was like, Okay, I'll get that done somehow, while I also have to work. And then between that time, I was like, ended up in the hospital.
Scott Benner 18:51
So now, how does all go? How does all of this impact your employment, right?
Cheyenne 18:56
So, because we were still meeting virtually, I get into the hospital, and I was there for about five days, I had communicated with my bosses pretty much primarily through text message and email, which we will learn that was a big mistake on their part. Okay, they primarily communicated with me this way. They said, hey, no big deal. We understand. Let us know when you get out of the hospital we will go from there. So the time, I'm like, Okay, sounds great. I also didn't have any sort of clue as to approach like an emergency FMLA or anything like that, which I did learn is a thing in some states, not for everybody and not for every employer, but it was an option for me. I just didn't know it at the time. Okay, so I get out of the hospital and I start. They wanted me for insurance. I think what it was is they wanted me to do a diabetes education class to get on they wanted me on the pump immediately. They wanted me on a CGM immediately. Basically, they wanted me to have everything pretty much right away. I didn't wait six months any of that. So I went to a diabetes education class, which proved to be pretty much, I don't want to say useless, but it was useless because not only was I the only, the only type one in there. But no, I I didn't learn anything. Truthfully, all they did was really talk about how to how to portion and work with food. And as somebody who was pretty much obsessed with everything I put in my body for like, a long time, I already kind of knew how that worked, so I didn't really need to be there. And I took that class. Was still trying to meet virtually with work. They told me to just stay home. Don't worry about it. By this time it is December, we were supposed to open up, but we didn't, so we were still meeting virtually, plus also meeting twice a week in person. While we were doing these meetings, we were essentially just just like bullshitting. There really wasn't much working. To be honest. It was just hanging out on Zoom and bulging.
Scott Benner 21:06
So you're saying that working for a cannabis dispensary was not like taxing work.
Cheyenne 21:11
It really was not for this company, not for this one. It's not like that everywhere, but for this particular one, because it was such a weird situation, because we weren't open yet, right? It was just wild. So, yeah, so we were not open still, and we were just meeting virtually, plus two days a week. And between all that, I was still taking classes, and let's see, what else did they have me do? Oh, yeah, I do meet with nutritionists. That's right, I had to meet with another nutritionist, and she sat me down twice a week for, I think, like, two to three weeks. And was like, you know, can you put together a plate of food for me? And then was like, Okay, you need to be here. So I was like, Well, I'm not learning anything from anyone, and that's what prompted me to kind of study on my own, honestly, and that's actually how I found this podcast was looking on my own. I was like, Oh, this makes sense. And now I'm being, I'm currently being treated by my primary, but also I'm being treated by a nurse practitioner who specializes in type one, so she's wonderful. And so I've currently got a great care team, but it took me some cherry picking to really get to where I'm at with that. I
Scott Benner 22:20
see? Yeah, I mean, it takes time. It sounds like you got the pretty classic, you're an adult, like, we're not going to give you any kind of guidance here. Did they even set up your insulin for you? Did somebody help you with like, initial settings a little
Cheyenne 22:36
bit in the hospital? I do vaguely remember, like, as I was so hungry, that was one thing I do remember in the hospital being so hungry, and they would not feed me, and they were restricting me from everything. And one side I'm gonna, I'm gonna Sideswipe here to this hilarious story of me eating 100 milligrams of cannabis while I was in the hospital, thinking it was no big deal, and I tried to sneak out of my room to the vending machine twice, and they were like, Cheyenne, where are you going? And I was like, the vending machine. And then they would come take my blood sugar. Was like, why is it so high? What did you eat? And I said, I didn't eat anything. And Cheyenne, Why are your eyes so red? I don't know. And
Scott Benner 23:21
so let's discuss for a second prior to all of this. And I imagine, like, what's your weed usage look like?
Cheyenne 23:31
Oh, I mean, I'm a classic user. I definitely cannabis every day,
Scott Benner 23:35
right? You wake and bake or you,
Cheyenne 23:39
I wouldn't say, like, not really on before, like, work days and stuff, but on the weekends, definitely,
Scott Benner 23:45
you smoke the flour. Do you vape it? Do I
Cheyenne 23:49
just primarily enjoy flour and definitely edibles.
Scott Benner 23:52
Gotcha so you're in the hospital, and you think I should probably be high.
Cheyenne 23:58
I was so hungry and I was so bored, and it was Thanksgiving, and I was so angry about everything, and frustrated, and like, all I wanted were mashed potatoes, and I didn't get any. So I had somebody
Scott Benner 24:13
like, I just, I just want to do something just like the pilgrims. You thought maybe a couple of gummies would really straighten the whole thing up. Yeah,
Cheyenne 24:21
it's no big deal. And but I wasn't thinking the fact that I hadn't, like, consumed any cannabis for like, several days before that. And so I was like, Yeah, that was a brilliant idea. So
Scott Benner 24:33
you was not so it rocked you, it rocked you, and then you started snacking. Yeah?
Cheyenne 24:38
I tried to sneak out, like, to the vending machine multiple times. I did not have money. I don't know what I thought I was doing.
Scott Benner 24:48
Mr. Zagnut, come out, come out.
Cheyenne 24:53
I don't know what what I thought I was doing or what the goal was there, but it wasn't I.
Scott Benner 24:59
Did you tell them? Did you say, Look, I'm
Cheyenne 25:01
high No, to be honest, I think they probably had some idea. They figured it out. They probably had some sort of idea. Yeah,
Scott Benner 25:11
you started talking about Mr. Mystic suplex, and you're like, yeah. You're like, okay, so you're, you're higher than, like, than you're accustomed to being, because you hadn't done it in a little bit, and then you
Cheyenne 25:22
hit it hard, yeah, yeah. And then I was so hungry, and they just gave me insulin, so I was, like, feeling better, and I just was, I just was, like, I just want to go home. And like,
Scott Benner 25:34
yeah, okay, all right, yeah. So
Cheyenne 25:35
we're now in, like, January. We are now the store is open and I'm going, I'm I'm still working from home, because they're telling me to over text message and email. I'm regularly checking in with them, and they're like, Hey, we have an idea for you. How about you stay home and do this work from home, gig where you can do product descriptions. So if you've ever looked on like Leafly. I heart Jane product descriptions, just like picking stuff, if you ever click on a cannabis menu, you click on a product, there's a description. That's what I used to do, is write those descriptions. Oh,
Scott Benner 26:11
this flowers nutty, and is a mellow high. And that kind of is that at all
Cheyenne 26:16
the way that cannabis is so it's such an interesting plant in the way that, like, I feel like the names generally don't mean anything. It really just boils down to the lab work. And what's present in the plant, you can say indicosity, the hybrid, or, you know, Scrum, DeLeon, just chronic OG fire Cush, and it could be whatever, but it's really just boils down to what's present in the lab works.
Scott Benner 26:44
So the THC levels,
Cheyenne 26:47
right? THC levels. THC A your, you know, all that stuff. So all the cannabinoids that are present in there and stuff.
Scott Benner 26:55
What about the way you decide to burn it? Like, like, what's the difference between, like, smoking it versus putting it in a bong, versus maybe putting it in one of those, like, high heat, you know, the vapes that don't actually do, yeah? What are they called? Like,
Cheyenne 27:09
like, a vaporizer, yeah, okay, yeah. Sorry about Higa. Hi a high temp. I got a, I got, like, a dry flower vape, and I like that thing a lot. It's pretty cool. But, uh,
Scott Benner 27:18
is there a difference? Like, can you put the same flower in three different places and get definitely different impacts?
Cheyenne 27:25
I wouldn't say different impacts. I would just say maybe different ways of entering your body, like smoking, no matter what is going to be the fastest way that it enters and also leaves your body, so versus, like edibles, where it's still going to have to go through that digestive process,
Scott Benner 27:45
it has to get metabolized and go through, like everything, and that takes longer.
Cheyenne 27:49
Uh huh,
Scott Benner 27:50
what about the drive ape? Why? How is that different than smoking?
Cheyenne 27:53
I wouldn't say it's necessarily different other than the way that it is heated. I believe it's got, I can't necessarily remember off the top of my head, but
Scott Benner 28:05
you're just not, you're not taking in smoke, but it's hitting you kind of similarly. Yeah,
Cheyenne 28:10
it's like this. It's like the same, because it's still like a you're still inhaling something. It's still got, like a risk of a carcinogen, no matter what, sure, but it's definitely a little bit healthier in the fact that it's vaporizing, just, I believe the THC portion, not the rest of the because I know for sure, like, you can take dry flour out of your dry herb vape and you can reuse that, and it will be still flour. It's just not going to be as potent. You could still use it to bake and use edibles. Okay, yeah, there's
Scott Benner 28:42
something still left there. Yeah.
Cheyenne 28:45
But you can't, like, do the same thing where, like, if you put it in a bowl and smoke the whole bowl and there's nothing left, like,
Scott Benner 28:51
so, yeah, so you, you couldn't go through a dry, like, a high heat dry vape and then take the what's left, which is probably pretty, like, I would say there's, there's no moisture left, and it's almost burned, right? If you tried to smoke that, you wouldn't get anything out of
Cheyenne 29:06
that. Probably, you might get a little bit, but it would, wouldn't be nearly the same. All right, I'm following, okay, I
Scott Benner 29:11
learned a lot of this podcast, yeah, yeah. So now they're like, Hey, do this. Stay at home, job. Write the descriptions for the for the website, and you're doing that, and that's going fine,
Cheyenne 29:22
yeah, so I'm doing that up until let's see. It turns out that I started doing this. Let's see we're open now. So January, February, March, I did that for about three months. And during that time, I started learning very, very, very much about the CGM, about the pump. I was pretty well good to go. So I'm on the pump. I have the OP five, and I've got the Dexcom g6 so I've got my phone, plus I've got that OmniPod, you know, the receiver. And so out of the blue, I receive a text message one night that says, hey, you need to come and work full time into the store. Or or you're basically going to lose your job. And I'm like, alarmed considering I received this text message, this text message at 11pm like the night before, and I'm like, well, that's odd. So I responded and said, Why? Basically, like, what's about,
Scott Benner 30:18
Bill, what changed since you told me you wanted me to work, since you told me you wanted me to work from home,
Cheyenne 30:23
right? Exactly? I said, Well, I don't have a problem with that, but I just want to know why. And they basically were like, you know, we're not being rude. We've been more than lenient enough with you. No other job would hire you under these conditions. They said all kinds of things they're not supposed to say.
Scott Benner 30:41
So Cheyenne, so your, your understanding was that, hey, they offered me something to do that was from home, and I accepted it. Now you're kind of seeing all the sudden, they were giving me this because I was in the hospital, like I was having these problems, and they were trying, like, so they they're it feels like what they were trying to accomplish isn't what you felt like on your side and then. And so they're basically sitting over there thinking, like, how long are we going to put up with this? And you're over that your house, thinking, this is my job. This is exactly what they want from me, right? Yeah. Okay. I
Cheyenne 31:18
think they thought this was going to be a very quick over and just be done. So I start going to the store. It's now March, going April and May. I'm trying to work full time, and so this was like a 45 minute drive. I'm doing this for 40 hours a week. If I was even one minute late, I was getting wrote up. They just basically really had it out for me. And I also have a printed schedule where they cut my hours only mine, cut mine in half, and in that same day, they hired on somebody of their own relation, which was against company policy. So they replayed. They were slowly replacing me with somebody, right? That was like a family member or something like that. Okay, so I'm trying to work in store while this is going on. I'm having things like highs, I'm having things like lows. I'm having to take insulin and things like this. During this time, they would often say that I was either making things beep or like, I want them to go off as much as they're going off,
Scott Benner 32:27
or they complained about the alarms on your devices. Yes,
Cheyenne 32:31
they would say I was doing it on purpose, because the person that was reporting to not because I shouldn't say it's a cause. However, he would often compare me to his wife, who was type two, and I'm learning now how different those are. But at the time, I really didn't know exactly how different. I just knew they were very different. Okay, he often would say, like, I just need to eat better, or I just need to do this. I'm just not trying hard enough, and I'm doing this on purpose.
Scott Benner 33:02
Oh, so now 55 Yeah, so now this at a snack, yeah, because I see so the now there's a person you're working for directly making
Cheyenne 33:11
me do things in bathroom. Okay, okay, so the same person offered me the work from home is, yeah, now saying, come in here, so I'm working in store with him, and give me these bits. And then took them away without any sort of warning. And then was like, Hey, you're gonna come do this. Also, we're gonna cut your hours in half. Also, you have to take your insulin outside. Also, if your thing goes off and you pull your phone out, we're gonna write you up all Cisco. You know, it was just like, one thing after another. Do
Scott Benner 33:43
you think you were doing a good job? Like, were you accomplishing the work and the time frame that was reasonable and doing like, well, at it? Yeah,
Cheyenne 33:50
yeah. Because, well, my role changed once I got into the store. Once I was in the store, I was just performing in store work with everyone else, which was including just stocking, counting, taking inventory, because that's all I ever did, was inventory. Okay, so it was very the same work that everyone else was doing, and
Scott Benner 34:09
you were also also, you were, you were working for somebody who commingled type one diabetes with type two diabetes. So now if your alarms going off, he's he or she is saying you're not, you're just not eating well, or you're not trying hard enough. And then probably were they communicating that back to the company, like Cheyenne, you know, it's beeping all the time, but if she just did this better, it wouldn't be like, do you think you were being painted in that light by somebody? So
Cheyenne 34:38
as it turns out, so we'll get there. So here, here goes, here goes it. So May and June rolls around, and I went out to visit my mom, who lives in Vegas. I go out to visit her. I get in touch with HR, who is in Arizona. I stopped by. And introduced myself and said, Hey, I feel like there's something going on here. I'm starting to feel discriminated towards it's there was also a lot of other things going on that led up to this, but this was really the big push was I had another co worker who was type two. It was just the constant I just feel like that something was wrong. So I go to talk to HR, they told me they did not know who I was. They did not know I was working from home. No one should have done no one should have offered me that. And what should have happened was I should have applied for emergency FMLA. I should have emailed HR once I was in the hospital, which when I emailed my boss, I CC to HR, but nobody responded to me. In that email,
Scott Benner 35:49
the whole thing's kind of bungled, like a long way. Okay, they
Cheyenne 35:53
had no idea that I was even what it turns out was, is that the position and the role that I was performing at home was actually part of my boss's responsibilities and duties for the company. I was doing part of his job that he did not himself want to do. So he basically passed it on to me, and then, once it no longer became an option, he said, I want you to come work in store. And I think what they thought is that I was going to say no, and they were trying to get ready No, right? Yeah, so they thought I was going to say no, and they hired the relative, right, and cut my hours, replace my hours with theirs. I got this all in email and text message, because from then on out, I started emailing HR every time something was going on. Once I returned back home, one day it was this, I believe it was, let's see. So this is almost about a year later, so let's see it is now, okay, so it's like July, so they call me in there, into this room and put me at a table with him and his assistant manager. And this man is full blown screaming at me, and he is telling me that I am making this up. I don't know what I'm doing. I just need to leave. Basically, you know, if I don't, like, what's going down, there's the door and get
Scott Benner 37:24
out. And what did he say? You were making up that
Cheyenne 37:27
the whole thing that I'm just not, quote, unquote, this sick. I didn't do any of this. And I just, I'm doing this all on purpose for for show, like, for an act. And I'm like, Yeah, because I'm totally spending money on devices and carrying them around for, for what reason? Like, it's just bizarre. Yeah, absolutely bizarre. And it was really what it boiled down to, was nobody wanted me there. They didn't like me. They wanted me to leave. That's really just what it boiled down to, because for I just it was a mess. So I'm shaking at this point because I'm sitting in a room with a man who's screaming at me, and I'm like, this is this is nuts. So I was like, okay, may I please be excused. And he said, yeah, if you don't like the door, get out. So you know. So I just get out and I go downstairs. I grabbed my stuff, I walked outside, and I called HR, and they told me to leave. So when I left, they sent me a text message and basically told me not to come back. So wait, who told you not to come back? The my boss. My boss is this company.
Scott Benner 38:32
I don't want you to tell me what company is, but it is it big enough that human like, is it in a corporation and there's like a big Human Resources thing, or is this a small company, and there's like one person who's HR, there was
Cheyenne 38:45
like one person in HR, and that person apparently, like, I guess HR, changed positions and roles so many times that nobody even knew anything. Okay, nobody knew anything. So
Scott Benner 38:58
this is a startup company, right? Like it's, it's not like an offshoot of another company, or it is,
Cheyenne 39:05
actually, it's an offshoot of a bigger company. It is the LLC that owns, I believe, like real estate properties, and I think they're, they're headquartered in, I think, yeah, they're headquartered in Arizona, so, but the LLC does not exist anymore, from what I understand and
Scott Benner 39:24
and the LLC was the weed like the weed company, yeah, they owned a
Cheyenne 39:28
couple dispensaries and some grow ops in that area. They owned one other dispensary in Maryland that coincidentally was shut down over another lawsuit. Then they had this particular one in Missouri that no longer exists. So
Scott Benner 39:40
what are we talking about? Like, a bigger company that had some cash and decided to try to get into being in dispensaries too? Yeah,
Cheyenne 39:46
I think that's pretty much what it was. Okay, I think that's what it was, is they just tried to open a dispensary in Missouri, and it did not. They hire
Scott Benner 39:53
a bunch of people, get the thing up off the ground, and it has a lot of business problems because. Maybe these aren't business people. Maybe they're more weed people than business people, or something like that,
Cheyenne 40:03
right? Okay, 100% Yeah. They just, they didn't know what they were doing, and
Scott Benner 40:07
they think you're faking this whole thing or, or it doesn't even matter now, because, like, there's been this kind of like attitude that's been fomenting. So basically they just, they just see you as, like, a liar or dirty or not, something that they want around. So now they're just, like, on, like, unarmed, fully, just trying to push you out the door.
Cheyenne 40:27
Yep, essentially, okay, so they pushed me out the door. I was like, well, that's the end of my job. And I basically, I mourned this for probably a while, because I was just frustrated at the fact, like, is this going to happen to me at every job? Is this something that I can do anything about, like, what's going on? So I filed for unemployment that October, yeah, that October, and I got it so that told me that they fired me. So from then on, I kind of did a little research, and I paid a couple of lawyers for some consultation and sent some emails off, and I couldn't afford for any of them to take my case. But what I couldn't afford was the consultation, and each one was like, honestly, you have you have something, you have something here, and I'm like, Okay, well, I'm gonna keep going with that. So what I did was, is I filed with EEOC, and that takes months. That takes months they have to review your case. I assign you a worker, and I went over pretty much this entire thing with them, sent them all the emails, all the text messages. They also deemed that I was being discriminated against and that I was fired, and it definitely looks like they gave me benefits and then took them away, which was pretty much the primary reason that I won this lawsuit. Okay, because, okay, it's not illegal to be an asshole. You can be an asshole all day and night, but it is illegal to separate somebody from the company based on a disability, which is pretty much what they did. And
Scott Benner 42:11
you said a minute ago, like you spent a lot of time worrying about this, because in your mind, you weren't around diabetes ever. So now suddenly you have it, and the first experience you have is an employer being like, Oh my God, you have diabetes. I gotta get you out of here. And now you think, this is gonna be my life, everywhere I go, how am I gonna get a job anywhere?
Cheyenne 42:29
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I was terrified. I was sad because I enjoyed cannabis, and that was like something I wanted to do. So I was like, well, now I feel like I'm there goes everything I worked for. There goes all my studying. There goes there goes everything and yeah, plus the employee discount. Yeah, no kidding, right? Which is not that great. Honestly. I was like, Well, yeah, so the end of that.
Scott Benner 42:55
So do you hire an attorney? Does an attorney finally say, like in these, like your your consultations, does one finally say, Look, I'll do that. I'll do this for a piece of the settlement. Is that how you were able to do it? Or no, you have to pay for it.
Cheyenne 43:09
I actually, yeah, you got to pay for all of that. So what ended up happening was, I represented myself and I had, I did. I had all my notes in front of me. I sounded a lot more organized than I do this morning, and I had everything to go and this mediator. They're not, they don't really. They're not there to take sides. They're just there to referee essentially, yeah, but they saw everything. They went through everything, and I don't want to say they took my side, or they kind of took my side, and the company even what happens then. So during this mediation, they immediately opened with saying that I tried to quit because I left the building. The mediator immediately interrupted that and said that is not a topic of discussion because I received unemployment, which deems that I was fired. So immediately they backtracked that, and they said they were like, Okay, well, what is it that you want? Basically, and so the mediator and I, they separate lines, so like you and the mediator get to talk separately. It goes back into the meeting, and then they talk separate again. And it's very different than it would be if you were, like, going to court, because this was all virtual. Most of this is actually done virtually. Is
Scott Benner 44:35
what you ended up with, health insurance and free weed. Is that what you asked for?
Cheyenne 44:41
I can wish. I can wish
Scott Benner 44:45
so. So when you get into that that that separate space with a mediator, what do you tell them that you'd like? So
Cheyenne 44:52
she actually, they were great. They said, I don't want to tell you this, but ask for 10 times more than your. They get. And so what I asked them for was 50k that's so wild, right? It's a wild number. It does not, it's that's not what I got, right? I ended up with 10k okay, and that cover, and to be honest, that covered my unemployment because unemployment only paid me like 3160 and because of a bunch of hullaboo with Missouri not spelling my name right, I didn't get my unemployment until like, six months later. So
Scott Benner 45:29
the money just helps you bridge the gap and until you can find another job. Yeah, doesn't make you rich. It doesn't like, set you up or anything like that. It's not like, not out of a movie. It's enough money to keep your rolling so you can find more work. Yep,
Cheyenne 45:43
absolutely. So basically, it helped me pay my car it helped me pay some of my family members back. It helped me definitely get through that period 100% it was a very long and daunting process, because in total, it probably took me about a year and a half. Oh, my God. As far as filing for unemployment, filing with EEOC, meeting with three different lawyers for consultation. What kind
Scott Benner 46:12
of work do you do now? Did you find you found what
Cheyenne 46:14
I do now? Yeah, so I got very, very lucky, and I am incredibly lucky, and this is what I want to end with, is on a great note, because the job I have now is fantastic. And I mean, absolutely wonderful. I get to work with AI, I get to work with large language models. The company that I work for is scale AI, they are a wonderful company. And not only that, but they my first day there, when I talked to them about diabetes, they said, Is there anything we can do to make your job easier here? And I had to go in the bathroom and just ball because I couldn't believe that cared enough that they wanted to help. Not only that, I have my I got my own cabinet there that has my own juice, my own snacks that Nobody's allowed to touch. It's cheyenne's cabinet because, because they give a sht, and it's so nice because I went from somebody basically telling me to get the out, I'm faking it to this company who not only cares, but they know I'm doing this right now, and they are like, wanting the link to this immediately. They were like, we can't wait to hear it. And I'm just, I couldn't be any more grateful. Take
Scott Benner 47:38
you seriously and give you some support so you can do your job.
Cheyenne 47:41
Yeah, like,
Scott Benner 47:43
I do you need that much more grateful giant, really, I
Cheyenne 47:46
know I don't. I don't. I just want God, I just wanted somebody to not treat me like garbage, to be honest. Like
Scott Benner 47:54
it does sound like you were stuck in a situation with people who would have maybe distrusted anything that they didn't understand, and then went right to, went right to get away. Like, just get away from us. You're this is, this is more than we bargained for. We don't want to be involved, like, you know, like, I don't want to know about your diabetes. I want to hear the beeping, and I don't want to, I don't want to hear you had to go to the hospital, like these people just were not interested in any way, shape or form, and and then handle it absolutely, and then handled it really poorly,
Cheyenne 48:27
absolutely, yeah, and that is what we that is what we all agreed upon, like, like they basically said, You can be an asshole day and night. That's not the the part that got me that settlement, what the illegal part was, was providing me that work from home, benefit, ripping it away for no reason, and then also further, saying things like, you're lucky to have a job here. No other job is going to hire you, calling me names. That was definitely one, locking me in a closed room, plus they were done. They didn't even know that I was in conversation with HR on a separate note. And had, I think, had they known that maybe things would have went a little bit differently. Well,
Scott Benner 49:13
also, Missouri is a work at will state. Oh,
Cheyenne 49:16
absolutely, yeah. So they could fire you if they don't like the color of your shirt.
Speaker 2 49:19
They could have just fired you if they did it right exactly, and there wouldn't have been any recourse whatsoever for it for you, because it's they could have just said, I mean, anything. They could have said you were late one time you're fired. They could have said you counted something wrong you're fired. They could have, and I'm sure you made a mistake here and there. They could have fired you for any reason at all like work, it will like, honestly, United States labor law workable employment is an employer's ability to dismiss an employee for any reason and without warning, as long as the reason is not illegal. They literally picked the wrong reason. You know, they
Cheyenne 49:55
did this to themselves. Yeah, 100% and. As it's all set when it's all said and done. To be honest, I'm the one that ended up with a better job. That man is now retired, quote, unquote, he
Scott Benner 50:08
got away from him, you know. I mean, that's good for you. Yeah, he apparently,
Cheyenne 50:12
well, soon after this all went down, not soon after, but a couple months after, I had gotten word that the entire team got fired. After that, they just ended up closing the dispensary. They
Scott Benner 50:23
lost the will to work too, huh? Somebody else was like, I'm getting rid of Well, I'm gonna guess after they had to pay $10,000 to you, somebody took a hard look at them, and then that's what happened afterwards. They got rid of
Cheyenne 50:37
it. I have no idea what really prompted all of that, but I can certainly say with confidence that the people that put me in a locked room were fired after me and
Scott Benner 50:51
made me feel good. Yeah, tell me the locked room story. I don't think you mentioned that before, but
Cheyenne 50:55
I had gotten comfortable with my receiver. I was getting ready to kind of talk to them about, hey, this is what's going on with this. These are what these beeps mean, blah, blah, blah. And they're putting me in a room, and they said, This man is starting to scream at me. And he's like, you, you are making this up. My wife has type two. All you got to do is just eat better this, you know? And then he said, our co worker down there, she has type two. There's it's just diabetes. Cheyenne, it's just diabetes. It's not this big of a deal. And had done all this, and then was like, if you don't like it, there's the fcking door. And so I was just kind of baffled at first, because I couldn't believe he was full on screaming at me like that. But then as soon as I said, Soon it was done, I'm sitting there shaking, basically. And I had said, you know, because I know better now, and because of previous ways that I have behaved in workplace settings when things like this have happened, I know better now. And so I said, May I please be excused, and I'm proud of me for that. And I got up and I got my stuff, and I walked outside, and I immediately called HR, and that was the best thing that I could have done, instead of losing my cool, instead of getting angry, instead of lashing out, instead of anything, I just let him, let him go off and said, May I please be excused? And that was the hit. But
Speaker 2 52:24
was that? What does that have to do with a locked room? Did they bring you in that room, lock the door and yell at you? Yep. Oh, so talk about that for a second, like, I got to see you a little bit before we started like you're a, you're a, you're a lean girl, like you're not. I mean, how tall are you?
Cheyenne 52:40
I'm about five four. Yeah, I've always been known as a little bit of a smaller kind of person. I'm little.
Scott Benner 52:48
You're a small 2930 year old person in a room with a guy probably 20 years older than you, who locked the door and then started screaming at you, Yep,
Cheyenne 52:57
yeah, along with another his all his assistant was in there too, and she was, um, typing this whole interaction down, recording, supposedly just
Scott Benner 53:08
from your from, listen, not obviously, you can't prove anything, but your perspective was she horrified?
Cheyenne 53:14
No, she didn't care. She was just kind of, like, going, she just didn't care.
Scott Benner 53:19
Were you scared? Like, like, physically scared. It wasn't
Cheyenne 53:23
that I was physically scared, but I was certainly alarmed that he was full blown screaming at me, especially in a room that is being recorded. I was, like, looking around at the cameras, like, are you serious? And do you have
Scott Benner 53:36
any fear that he would like come towards you, or anything like that? Or it wasn't like that.
Cheyenne 53:39
Ah, nah. He was just sitting in a chair like yelling at me, Jesus. I mean, he was really doing something. I guess I don't know. He was really intimidating you. Yeah, he was 100% trying to intimidate me without it being physical. And that's
Scott Benner 53:56
pretty physical, though. Like, I mean, restricting your movement with a listen, say what you want bring someone to a room and locking the door is, is a, it's a move. You're, you're saying something when you do that, right? And then, like, this is very official. This person over here is going to be taking down notes from what happens here. You're, you're meant to feel scared at that point. And then they
Cheyenne 54:18
presented me with these, what they did was, is they presented me with these write ups that were never signed by me, that I've never seen in my life. They tried to say things like I was using my phone and I asked for proof, and then he started screaming and saying, bitch, I don't need to give you any proof if you don't like it. Yeah. And he's like, you don't like it, there's
Scott Benner 54:40
the door so and things and bitch. Yeah,
Cheyenne 54:43
yeah. And this is what I was like, looking around at the camera. I was like, Are you? Are you hitting me right now? Like, and I'm telling HR, like, in these emails on the phone, like, I implore you to listen to the feedback please. Like, I'm sure
Scott Benner 54:57
they were thrilled. I'm sure they were thrilled only after. Give you $10,000 to be perfectly honest, like that's, yeah,
Cheyenne 55:03
I don't know, because neither they did not know who I these people that I had talked to, they didn't know who I was. They didn't know anything about it. Yeah, they didn't know who
Scott Benner 55:12
they were. That whole locations being run poorly, top to bottom, basically, yeah, it's
Cheyenne 55:16
done. Now. It's gone. Yeah, I want
Scott Benner 55:20
to say this, if you can't make money selling weed, you're an idiot. Yeah, Jesus Christ. It's
Cheyenne 55:28
a whole, it is. It's the whole market is absolutely just bonkers without pre state. But my God, Missouri and here in Illinois, man, they just No. I mean, they're ruining it.
Scott Benner 55:39
Well, that would, that would be like, going out of business selling lemonade in the desert, I don't know. Like, what are you doing? Oh, my God, that's crazy. I appreciate you coming on and sharing all this with me. It really is absolutely, really something else,
Cheyenne 55:58
absolutely insane, but it can be done basically just, it's not illegal for someone to treat you like, unfortunately, but what it is illegal is for them to discriminate based on the fact that it's diabetes like and there are jobs out there, there are jobs out there that will appreciate you, there are jobs out there that will work around your diabetes. You know, it's, it is out there, it's it is. Mean,
Scott Benner 56:27
listen, you might get discriminated against, but I'm going to assume most people are going to be smart enough not to tell you they're doing it.
Cheyenne 56:33
Yeah, absolutely. They, really, man, they, they, they said this like through email, through text message. It could not have been handled any worse than it was.
Scott Benner 56:44
They wrote it down for you, too. I don't think, listen, forget work for a second. I don't get when people, like, write anything down that's like, sketchy. Like, what are you doing? Like, yeah, so everybody gets caught. Like, do not watch the news. Like, don't text that to somebody fascinating. I
Cheyenne 57:00
couldn't believe it, yeah, just wow. I could not believe it. It was insane.
Scott Benner 57:04
How do you feel? Like, how far removed Are you from this? How long ago was it? Let's
Cheyenne 57:08
see, I think it officially closed itself out of like, a year ago. So I've been with this company for, let's see, about a year and a month now,
Scott Benner 57:17
okay, but it's almost two years since this guy yelled at you in a room, yeah, yeah, for sure. Do you think about it ever, or is it? Is it something you're past? Um,
Cheyenne 57:25
I'm definitely past it. Sometimes I think about the fact that the man that yelled at me is also a retired police officer. So I I think about that sometimes, and I'm like, huh, yeah. Then I remember, you know what, that man is miserable, and I'm not. I got a better job than both of them, and good for you. I make probably more money than both of them, and I'm gonna do better than both of them. So they're
Scott Benner 57:50
definitely not gonna have success treating people the way they treated you. That's for sure. Yeah, that's that's not
Cheyenne 57:55
gonna work, yeah? And, wow, I don't care. Like, like, no, type of diabetes is easy, but to sit there and compare like the way that they did consistently was so, so wrong, so wrong. No, I
Scott Benner 58:09
mean, they thought they knew something, by the way, that's where most people go wrong. They, you know, they thought, thought he knew something, and he was smarter than you, and you were just dumb and didn't understand or willfully making problems or whatever. That's just such a small way of of considering things like maybe just not a bright person, not able to take in all the all the factors and really weigh them properly, and just went with the first gut reaction that he had. My, you know, my wife's got this. You're not eating, right? Okay. Well, thanks, thanks, Doctor. Yeah, great, yeah. He
Cheyenne 58:46
was like, at one point, he's like, just take your Metformin. And I was like, sir, I took Metformin for four days and still ended up in the ICU. It was like, spitting at a tornado. Yeah, it did nothing.
Scott Benner 58:56
That's not really for type one diabetes. I have a different type. I don't know if you can hear one and two and how they sound different, exactly.
Cheyenne 59:03
Yeah, it's just that area, the area the city, in this area of low IQ, is absolutely, I
Scott Benner 59:12
was gonna say, dumbfounding. What you're really doing is you're telling me a story of an interaction you had with a stupid person. Yes,
Cheyenne 59:19
that is, I don't know how to say this, but they were all idiots.
Scott Benner 59:23
Well, that's a pretty clear way to say it.
Cheyenne 59:26
Yeah, that's, that's, that'll pretty much cover it. Yeah, it was a bunch of idiots. And I made out, okay, yeah.
Scott Benner 59:32
By the way, Missouri, New York, I don't care where they're idiots, everywhere,
Cheyenne 59:36
absolutely. But the highest concentration is right here, from the corn, you
Scott Benner 59:41
think the corn promise shine? Are you to tell me that corn makes you stupid? Is that what this is,
Cheyenne 59:47
you know? What? I don't know. I don't want to say causation here, but there might be a correlation, okay, a correlate. You, if you you know,
Scott Benner 59:57
I won't give you the whole story, because I just like. I just, I just blurted it out in an episode the other day. But I went to get tires. I had to order tires for my car, right? And they gave me a time to come get them fixed. Then I got there and they pull my car and take off the jack the car up, take off the wheel, pull the tire off the wheel, then go in the back to see if the tires had arrived. And then they come back out and go, Hey, your tires aren't here. And all I could think was, why wouldn't you look for them first? I don't understand, like, such an odd thing to do, like you wouldn't go look to see if you have the tire before you go through all of this. And he actually says, this happens a lot, so it happens a lot, and you still didn't go look, and I'm just, like, I just sitting there thinking, like, how could you have such a misunderstanding of your job? Like, that's really what struck me. Like, you know what I mean? Like, yeah,
Cheyenne 1:00:51
that's accurate. Yeah. It just and it constantly.
Scott Benner 1:00:55
Can I tell you a story I don't think I've told here, because it absolutely doesn't, it doesn't look good for me. And then we'll start. I'm just gonna absolutely, I lost my goddamn mind in the post office recently. So, oh, I
Cheyenne 1:01:09
love this. Okay, thank
Scott Benner 1:01:10
you so super simple. But I ordered silk worms for my chameleon, and yeah, by mistake, they were held at the post office. Like, I just wanted them to come to my house, but there was a hold put on the delivery. And so it gets held at the post office where you go pick them up. So I'm out that day, like doing stuff, and my wife says, Hey, we just got a phone call from the post office. There's a package there for you. It's marked live animals. I think this is probably your silkworms. You should go get them. And I was like, Okay, great. So I swing through the post office, and I go up to the counter and I say, Hey, how are you? I'm here to pick up a package. I got a phone call that said it was here. And the guy looks at me and goes, we don't call people. And I went, I mean, I don't know what to tell you, I have a phone call from this post office that I have a package to be picked up. And he goes, we can barely get the lights on in this place. You think we're calling people to let them know the package is here. And I said, Sarah, I don't know. All I can tell you is that I received a phone call that I have just here. Here's my name, like, this is my address, like, this whole thing, and he's mumbling to himself and mad and like Bob back and forth, and like, you know, and now I'm showing him the the email with the the fcking, like tracking number. Just type the goddamn tracking number in here and go get the box, you know what I mean. But I'm being nice, and I'm like, a cordial and like, I'm joking with him, like, you know, I don't I'm not looking to fix the world. I just want my box. I got to keep going, right? So he types it all in blah, blah, blah. And he goes, it ain't here. And I'm like, well,
Cheyenne 1:02:51
oh my god,
Scott Benner 1:02:53
where, where is it? He goes, it's across the street at the distribution center. I said, Am I supposed to go there for it? Like, thinking, like, maybe I went to the wrong place, right? And he goes, No, you people aren't allowed in there. And I went, Okay. I'm like, but you guys called my house like, an hour ago and said it was here, like, specifically here? No, we didn't. And I'm like, No man. I'm like, definitely did, you know? And now I'm like, Well, I didn't take the phone call my wife did. Like, maybe she's wrong. Like, you know what I mean? So like, it's like, I'm standing there with him and, like, it's get very contentious, and I don't understand what's happening. And I'm like, what what I said, I appreciate it very much. I said, what's gonna happen? He goes, it'll get delivered to your house tomorrow. And I went, you know what? I'm not in a hurry for them. Like, that's fine. Like, okay. So I walk all the way to the door, which is like, 30 feet from him, and it just hits me. I'm like, my wife's pretty bright. I don't imagine she was confused about who she spoke to and what they said. So I called her on the phone and not loudly, like, off in the corner, like, privately, and I'm like, Hey Kelly. And she's like, Yeah. I'm like, who called this morning? And she goes the post office. And I was like, like, was it this location that I'm at right now? And she goes, Yeah, because I checked, because I'll tell you, there was an anthrax scare at my post office, like 20 years ago, and the place was actually shut down for a year while it was remediated like it was really bad. So my wife said to me, when I was on the phone, when I was on the phone with them, I said, Hey, is this the anthrax post office? I want to make sure I send them to the right place. And the person said, Yes, you have the right location. So we're really sure about what location it is, right by the way, somebody was trying to sell it, send to anthrax, to like, a sender, or something like that. And it got stopped at my post office. And like, anyways, it was a big news story decades ago, not the point. The point is, my wife was fcking sure what goddamn post office it was. And I was like, and I was like, and what did you say? What did they say to you? They said, there's a box here, and it's marked live animals, and it's on hold, and you have to come get it. I'm like, Okay, so anyway, I'm finishing up with her on the phone, and I look up to realize that he's eyeballing me from across the room. And as I hang up. The phone, he yells across the room, what you don't believe me. And I all my brain did was, I'm like, what is happening? What is happening. So finally he yelled at me, and there were people in there. There were like, four people in line, and three other people working. And I go, Hey, Bob, fuck you. I said, I said, I believed you. I was checking with my wife, and, by the way, she says, You're wrong. And and I was like, so I'm gonna ask this guy to check on it. And so I start looking at the the other guy, who's like, this tall, young guy, and he's looking at me like, he's looking at me like, what's happening? And I'm like, I don't know, man, I said, but you just found the 25 year old me, and he ain't having this so, like, I started talking. So I just started explaining it to him. I'm like, Hey, man, listen, I don't know what's going on over there with this guy, but here's what happened. Could you just check on and now the guy starts yelling at me, the original guy, oh my God. He is yelling across the post office at me, which brings the manager out from the back, and she goes, What's going on here? And he actually says, I'm telling you, he's a grown man. He goes, That guy doesn't believe me, and I don't know how he was raised or what happened to him, and I don't care. And I just went over, and she goes, What's the problem here? And I said, my best assessment assessment is, Bob's a fcking idiot. And then, like, now I'm speaking at the top of my voice, and like, and she's like, whoa, what? So I went over it again. I said, I don't know why I came in here, and right away he's arguing with me. I said, Hey, you guys called me. And he's immediately shoots back at me, we don't call people. And he starts randomly talking about how inept the post office is, and why they even like, and I'm like, I don't, I don't want to be involved in all this. Like, I'm like, so, like, it's going back and forth. Well, he now he's in full blown, like, he's just attacking me now. And instead of backing down, I just keep going back at him, and I cursed at him, and he goes nice language. And I went, Okay, Bob, well, go yourself. And he goes, you. And I went way to stick to your rule about bad language, Bob, you gave that up pretty quickly. And he goes, You're an asshole. And I said, Bob, I gotta tell you something. I might be an asshole, but I'm 100% sure you're a fcking idiot.
Speaker 3 1:07:20
So exactly like, oh my god, man. And then
Scott Benner 1:07:24
I turned to these lovely people in line, and I go, I'm so sorry. I was like, I don't know what's happening. And this is not how I would normally do this. I was like, I really apologize. You guys must be scared out of your minds right now. I'm like, I really am so sorry. And then the manager, like, grabs me and Bob. She finally shoes Bob into the background, and she goes, What can we do to make this better? And I said, if I was you, I'd fire Bob. But beyond that, I don't have any opinion. Okay? I said, he, at least shouldn't be allowed to talk to people and like, you know, and she, and she's looking at me, and I'm like, I recognize I didn't handle this well, I said, but when he I have to be honest with you, when he attacked me, I forgot everything I had learned in the last two decades of being an adult, and I went right back to being in my mid 20s. And I was like, fuck me, fuck you, and like, and that was just kind of where it went after that. And I just, I escalated it. Then I walked out with a box of goddamn worms.
Cheyenne 1:08:25
Things you went through for those worms, though
Scott Benner 1:08:28
ridiculous, but here, in the end, I'm going to tell you something I and I'm sorry if I sound coarse. I was dealing with a stupid person. Yeah, no,
Cheyenne 1:08:37
I get it. That's what happened
Scott Benner 1:08:38
to me. Listen, I'm not proud of that story. I'm telling it to you because I hope you find it a little amusing, but I'm embarrassed, like, genuinely, like, I could have just gone to the next and asked again, and when he yelled at me, I could have continued to ignore him and I, and I should have, I shouldn't, probably have done that. That's what I should have done. But I had just, it had been a long string of things that happened that a friend of mine once recently said to me, I'm starting to think I'm being tested by the universe. And I was like, and she's like, What do you mean? She goes all this dumb stuff keeps happening. And I feel like I'm being told to smile through it and to like, accept it as like, this is just how it is. And I feel like that happened to you, Cheyenne, like, I feel like you were just involved with a dumb person who, you know, treated you poorly, didn't know what they were doing, and the entire time, thought they were right. I can't tell you how much the guy at the post office believed he was
Cheyenne 1:09:33
right. Yeah, I get that. Yeah, definitely get it here.
Scott Benner 1:09:37
I'm gonna give you one more. The other day, I put out my recycling, and then the truck goes by, and I go out to get the cans, but they only took, like, part of the recycling. And I'm like, what is happening? So I went inside, I called the township I live in. I said, Hey, I don't know what happened, but like, half my recycling was picked up and half of it wasn't. And the woman says, What color? Her cans. Were they in? Was it in? And I went, I go, I don't know. And she's like, we only pick up stuff in green cans. And I went, since when? And she goes, it's a new rule. And I said, Well, how would I know about the new rule? And I swear to God, she said, we put it on our Facebook page and our website. And I said, You think I go to the Facebook page and website for the recycling department of my community? And I was like, I don't do that. I said, Did you send a letter? No. Did you call us? No, so you just hoped I would see your Facebook post about it. And I was insane, insane. I'm like, I'm like, Are you gonna come get it? And she goes, No. And I said, But you only collect the recycling every two weeks. What am I supposed to do with my recycling? And do you want to know what she said? Cheyenne, I'm gonna give you a couple of guesses. Go ahead.
Cheyenne 1:10:51
Oh my god, she probably, she probably wanted to know. Let's see what color, what shape, no. What supposed
Scott Benner 1:10:59
to do with it now that they wouldn't come get it for two more weeks, and I don't have any place to put it. They
Unknown Speaker 1:11:04
told you to throw it away. They
Scott Benner 1:11:06
told me to throw it away.
Cheyenne 1:11:07
Yeah? Like I told you, yeah. You know why? Because it all ends up in the same place. Anyway, I've seen it happen. I have literally seen it happen. I've seen it physically happen. And I have watched the recycling truck go into the landfill and dump it. And I'm like, wait a minute. What are we doing? Why are we doing this? If
Speaker 2 1:11:24
you have nowhere to store it, you can throw it away. I said, well, then what's the goddamn point of any of this? Yes. So she says, Well, you can get two free cans from us. I'm like, I have two of your green cans. I have to get two more. And she goes, yeah. I said, But you only pick it up every two weeks. There'll be times where that's not enough. I'm like, how much of my property should be littered with green can? And I was like, I have one can that it all fits in. Why can't I just put it in that? And she said, the thing
Cheyenne 1:11:50
is, you have to have two cans for them to pick up. One cans full. And then that's, that's how it goes. You need four cans for them to pick up, two cans worth of well,
Speaker 2 1:11:58
I asked her, I'm like, what? What's the big rule change? Because, by the way, I've been putting my recycling out in regular cans like for ever, and she says some of the people are getting injured picking up the trash cans. And I said, you've hired people to pick up recycling who are not strong enough to pick up recycling, and now I can't use a can unless it's green. I was like, may I suggest not solving a problem by making a bigger problem?
Cheyenne 1:12:27
Oh my gosh.
Scott Benner 1:12:28
I said, What if you just hired people that are like, sturdier? Would that not fix it? And she's like, well, we we don't even pick up our own recycling anymore. Now we're like, we're contracting it to someone. I'm like, Oh my God, you're paying someone to pick up your recycling, and they're not doing it for you, and they told you that you have to go back to us, our residents make our lives harder so that you can pay them to pick it up. I was like, you don't feel like you're being taken advantage of a little bit.
Cheyenne 1:12:59
This is it. This is all a conspiracy by big trash to throw away more trash. They're just like, here, you throw this away. No, you throw this away. No, you throw this away.
Scott Benner 1:13:08
Very nice to her. First of all, I said, I said to her, I'm like, I know this is not you. You're not the decision maker in this situation. I was like, but I would like it if you'd pass on to somebody two things. A, I don't appreciate having to have 1000 little cans all over my property. I was like, B, for what I pay in property taxes, maybe you could come get the goddamn stuff more frequently than every 14 days. And C, hire stronger people to pick up the recycling. I think that's your fix. Like, not like. So basically, someone said, this hurts my back, and they change the way the entire thing's done.
Cheyenne 1:13:41
And I was like, Oh, sure, that simple for everything
Speaker 2 1:13:45
else, but, but my point is, is that the post office, the tires and the recycling have all happened in the last three weeks. I get that. And I'm like, I get that. So my friend who said to me, like, I think everyone's trying to make me crazy, I might be agreeing at this point, like, like, every time I leave my house, I'm bombarded with the dumbest thing handled in the worst way, and I'm supposed to just go, Okay, thanks.
Cheyenne 1:14:12
I have a theory that I was probably either Mussolini or Hitler with past life getting paid based on what has happened to me, and everyone around me who is around me for more than 10 minutes at a time will agree. Like, my first day of work at this new company, I got stuck in an elevator,
Scott Benner 1:14:33
elevator. That's so funny. Stuck
Cheyenne 1:14:36
in the elevator. Who does that happen to oh, I don't know me like I just you have diabetes. Oh, by the way, you're also stuck in an elevator. Hope you don't have to pee.
Scott Benner 1:14:48
Well, there's, I don't have all the details, so I can't really go into it, but I don't know if you've seen recently that Boeing has like sounded the alarm, that they think their Dreamliner 787, may come across in flight a. Part in flight because of structural flaws. And, you know, that
Cheyenne 1:15:03
doesn't surprise me. I my first boyfriend was an aircraft mechanic, and he would tell me, and this was like, 15 years ago, and I remember going into the hangars with him and the like, this was a frequent topic of discussion that, like, stuff was held together by like, duct tape. And like, it was just a constant topic of discussion that the planes were not put together.
Scott Benner 1:15:25
Well, this is the New York Times yesterday. FAA investigates claims by Boeing whistleblower about flaws in 787, Dreamliner, the whistleblower and engineer says that sections of the plane's body are being assembled in a way that could weaken the aircraft over time. Yeah, Boeing says there's no safety issue, okay? But then other people are coming out and saying that, in general, engineers are not nearly as well trained as they were a generation ago, and like so it's like, it's the whistleblowing is like tumbling. And my point is, I don't know if that's true or not, but I believe it, because it's impossible to hire a guy who changes tires, who knows to look for the tires before you take the tire off the car. So if rolls downhill, then I believe maybe that the engineers don't know what they're doing with the planes. And I'm scared now, is what I'm saying. Yes,
Cheyenne 1:16:15
you know, I have stopped flying for multiple reasons, but that is definitely one. Oh, and then the last time we flew as a family of my younger sister, her eardrum bursted on the plate again, literally, like I just I keep going.
Scott Benner 1:16:33
I think my bigger point is, is that I believe that someone should be able to competently manage a cannabis distribution set area without treating a person the way you were treated. Yeah, absolutely like that should be possible. And if we can't find people to do these small things, I think we have to reevaluate something, and I don't know what that something is, but I've now basically laid out you've laid out one thing. I've laid out three more. These things should not be difficult. No,
Cheyenne 1:17:02
definitely not. Yeah, should not be a difficult thing. And right? It was not only a difficult but a long, ridiculous process. But it did end Well, glad I got what I got. I mostly, actually, I'm I'm lucky, and I still have, like, a good 3k left over,
Scott Benner 1:17:18
and good, I'm glad, and you got a nice job that you're happy
Cheyenne 1:17:21
I'm doing pretty well. Yeah, I got a great job. Ended up with a lot more tattoos than I should. Ended up with a lot more things. So it's
Scott Benner 1:17:29
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