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Erica shares her journey navigating type 1 diabetes with her young son while managing her husband's possible LADA diagnosis.

• Raising a type 1 child while questioning her husband's diagnosis.

• How quick action saved her son from severe diabetic complications.

• The fight for clear answers when doctors won’t listen.

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Scott Benner 0:00
Here we are back together again, friends for another episode of The Juicebox Podcast.

Erica's five year old son has type one diabetes. She has two boys. Her husband just got a type two diagnosis, but it seems clear he's Lada, and we talked today about what it's like to raise a child with type one diabetes. Nothing you hear on the Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice medical or otherwise, always consult a physician before making any changes to your health care plan. Don't forget, if you're a US resident who has type one or is the caregiver of someone with type one, visit T 1d exchange.org/juice box right now and complete that survey. It will take you 10 minutes to complete the survey, and that effort alone will help to move type one diabetes research forward. It will cost you nothing to help. Don't forget to save 40% off of your entire order at cozy earth.com All you have to do is use the offer code Juicebox at checkout. That's Juicebox at checkout to save 40% at cozy earth.com if you or a loved one was just diagnosed with type one diabetes, and you're looking for some fresh perspective. The bold beginning series from the Juicebox Podcast is a terrific place to start. That series is with myself and Jenny Smith. Jenny is a CD CES, a registered dietitian and a type one for over 35 years. Having an easy to use, an accurate blood glucose meter is just one click away. Contour next.com/juicebox, that's right. Today's episode is sponsored by the contour next gen blood glucose meter. This episode of the juice box podcast is sponsored by the Dexcom g7 the same CGM that my daughter wears. Check it out now at dexcom.com/juice,

Erica 1:56
box. My name is Erica. I have a son who is five now, who is type one diabetic, um, he was diagnosed at three and a half, and we've just kind of been going along as we can, and I've learned a lot from this podcast, so I think more than at a doctor's office, unfortunately,

Scott Benner 2:14
oh, yeah, I know that's how it feels. It feels that way to me, even if you're if you're wondering, yeah, so wait, he's five. He was diagnosed. He's five, three and a half, three and a half, yep, so about a year and a half and yeah, other diabetes in your immediate family or your extended family, no,

Erica 2:31
real significant. I mean, some type two. My husband has some, some form of diabetes. It was very sudden after COVID, they have him treated as type two, but he's had some lab work done that they think it might be like late onset type one other than those two. No How about

Scott Benner 2:51
in his extended family? Do we see celiac, thyroid, vitiligo, bipolar disorder, anything inflammation related

Erica 3:01
some thyroid but that's really it,

Scott Benner 3:05
not him. No, not him. Okay, not that. I'm saying it's him. But the frequency in which I meet people who are like, No, I don't have a thyroid issue. They test it, though, they keep after it. I was like, oh, what's your TSH, like, What's five? But the doctor says it's okay. And I was like, How do you feel? And they're like, Well, I'm tired all the time. I have muscle aches and joint pain. My hair falls out, but it's not my thyroid, because that's in range. And I went, Yeah, okay, right? Every day, by the way, every day. And then I just sent a family friend to their doctor, because they have all these symptoms. TSH is, you know, five and a half. And the doctor, doctor goes, nah, it's not that, I was like, but you have five thyroid symptoms, and TSH is five and a half. And the doctor, okay, we're gonna, we're gonna. And, by the way, elevated liver enzymes, which are another thing that you can have happen if you have untreated thyroid and all anyway, it's just really funny how nobody I, I guess my point is, I don't know how many people are walking around with an unbalanced thyroid who think it is, I know,

Erica 4:09
and the people who even, I mean, there's a ton of people who have thyroid issues that you would think that they would more people have to have it. Why is that not?

Scott Benner 4:17
Yeah, or you have it and the doctor doesn't give you the correct medication or you don't take the medication, you know, it's, trust me, there's a lot of people dragging their ass that don't need to be, yeah, that's all. That was my point. Okay, so your husband probably has Lada, but they're telling you it's type two. Yeah,

Erica 4:34
they haven't labeled as type two. He's being treated as type two, but he wears a Dexcom just so that they can keep tabs on what happens with his blood sugar. He's lost like almost 100 pounds and still needs medication and trulicity to keep his blood sugars in range. So has

Scott Benner 4:48
he lost 100 pounds because he's been trying to lose 100 pounds? Or do you think he's been in and out of DKA? I don't know about

Erica 4:54
in and out of DK. He hasn't had any other symptoms, but since diagnosis, he had lost about 30. Pounds before he was diagnosed, just out of the blue, and then he started having similar symptoms to my son, with the urinating and the very thirsty. Then they diagnosed him with type two, I think just because he was over 30 and overweight. Then they ran some blood work, and his gad antibodies came back a little elevated. All the other ones seemed to be okay for now, but, I mean, they keep testing them, I don't know, especially now they're sons diagnosed. They're like, that's kind of weird. Yeah,

Scott Benner 5:26
I was gonna say, did that spark anybody's like, interest the

Erica 5:31
Endo, my son's endo at our Children's Hospital. Found it very interesting. And he was like, if I could test him and run things, I would his doctor. It was more, I find it kind of frustrating, honestly, because I have, we have to be the one to be like, listen, here, our son was diagnosed. I find that bizarre and completely out of the blue that now he's, you know, it was right after he was sick too. He was diagnosed. So it's been more us fighting almost. We had to ask them, Can you please rerun this blood work? And that was about a year ago. So every year we just kind of, I mean, I'll pay for it. But I would like to know I have another son who isn't right now type one, and I want to have him screened if I really do think that. I mean, if his dad has it and his brother has it, I would like to know that,

Scott Benner 6:12
can I just point you to a new sponsor screen for type one?

Erica 6:16
I just saw that yesterday that you had posted that I am gonna, I'm gonna look into that. Thank

Scott Benner 6:20
you. Feel free to use my links. Yeah. So listen, I'm not a doctor, so sometimes people think say things to me, and I'm only drawing off ever my personal experience or a conversation I've had on the podcast, right? So I did go to, uh, chat GPT 4.0 and I asked it, I said, chat GPT 4.0 what do elevated gad antibodies indicate? And it says type one diabetes, latent auto immune diabetes in adults, and that those are the two things that it indicates that goes farther into that. And I said, would that appear with type two diabetes? And it said gad antibodies are not typically associated with type two diabetes, so elevated gad antibodies typically indicate an autoimmune response against the insulin producing beta cells in the pancreas. So, yep, I don't understand, like the people not why they're questioning

Erica 7:11
it. Yeah, I don't know. And according to them, when he was first diagnosed, the cutoff is five, and his was at six. So and I, again, I'm not a doctor. I work in pharmacy, but I don't know anything, I mean, about get antibodies and all of that. I don't know if that goes up over time, if that level would go up, if that's what they're looking for. I don't know the reasoning behind Not, not thinking like, boom, yes, this is definitely type one, or if it's because, I mean, with, you know, my son, and probably most type ones, obviously, once your body stops making insulin, it's very evident where, my understanding the Lata is slower. So I don't know if it's because he's got a slower response than not making insulin, and that's why I have no idea it's well,

Scott Benner 7:55
Erica, can I? Can I tell you what the thing that some people think is going to end the world, and people think it's going to save it. Thanks. Yeah, it says the levels of Gad gad antibodies do not typically increase over time. Instead, their presence usually indicates an ongoing autoimmune process. Okay, so that's good to know, yeah. Also, I'm going to say I I've said this a couple times the podcast. I know some people probably think I'm crazy. Some of the best conversations I've had over the last couple of months have been with chat GPT 4.0 because, because everything I wonder. It's like, oh yeah, here this and here's why. I'm like, okay, cool. Like, Listen, I'm not jumping ahead. But there is some point in time in the future, where you will think a think, and your thinker will go to something else, and that thing will tell your thinker what you know, and now you'll know it. And it's just really like fascinating, how quickly and directly and completely it does this and then. And the reason I bring it up is because all I have is a web portal, and I pay $20 a month for this. And you'd think a doctor wouldn't go, Hmm, I don't know. Like they'd go, Hey, I bet you there's 1000 ways we could find out. Hold on one second. What are they managing your husband with? That was my question.

Erica 9:15
He takes Metformin daily, and then he's on trula city once weekly. And

Scott Benner 9:21
does he have excursions at meals with his blood sugar,

Erica 9:24
certain things he does when he got diagnosed, he was originally on Humalog Atlantis, so they were doing that, and then they ran all this blood work, and they're like, oh, no, you're actually, we're not finding anything to make sure you don't need to be on insulin every day, you know, like every meal, long term insulin every night, and then they switched him. But if he eats, I mean, let's say pizza or he has a huge breakfast with toast and potatoes for breakfast, it eats very evident. You can see his blood sugar spikes, probably higher than it should. To

Scott Benner 9:56
where do you have a number around 300 OH. Oh yeah. He needs insulin. That's Yes, yeah, yeah. That's not for Metformin to deal with.

Erica 10:05
I know, like, last night, we had pizza at my grandma's, and his blood sugar when we got home was, like, this was hours after 200 Yeah? Which, yeah, I'm not diabetic. My blood sugar wasn't 200 after pizza.

Scott Benner 10:17
No. He needs, you know, a doctor who can, like, think completely, yeah, yeah, agree. I wouldn't wait,

Erica 10:25
yeah, yeah, I know, yeah, yeah. We're gonna find a new endo in a different location. I hope I don't mean that bad, but, like, especially after my son being diagnosed and talking with his Endo, it's like, man, somebody's got to know, and I don't know if it's you know, you can't teach an old dog new tricks kind of thing, where they're so set in their ways, and there's been now so many like sub categories of diabetes that people are, oh, no, it's only type one or type two. And there's that, you know, that fine line, but I it's becoming and I was told this by we live in Michigan, like Helena boss Children's Hospital, that no, that fine line is getting more blurred. And I don't know if we just have to find an endo that knows that a

Scott Benner 11:00
lot of people talk and say things, yeah, people hear things. They don't completely understand them. They pass them on. They have experiences. They let it color their you know? It happens to me. It happens everybody, right? Like I see something, and I tend to believe that that's the case. You need somebody who's willing to step back and try to just see it fresh eyes, you know? And the truth is, is that there's no world where I don't care what he eats. His blood sugar shouldn't be going to 300 Nope. I don't care if it's pizza. That doesn't matter to me. You know, I had pizza the other night, and I was wearing a CGM, yeah, and pizza combined with a GLP medication and a person who doesn't have diabetes, my blood sugar never moved off of 89 ever

Erica 11:41
see exactly? Yes, thank you. Yeah. And, I mean, that's what trulicity should be doing, right? If you're not diabetic, and, I mean, you he was on ozempic, same kind of thing. I mean, it doesn't matter, yeah,

Scott Benner 11:52
you would think, because Trulicity is a GLP, right? It is just an older one, yeah, yeah. So you would think, if he's on what did they used to call it once weekly. Truly? Is that what they call it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And Metformin. And he's, they think he's type two ish. I don't care. Like, I guess it doesn't matter to me if he's type two or type one. I don't want his blood sugar to go to 300 and stay there for hours. That's all I'm saying.

Erica 12:18
I agree. I it's and I find this I get so heated talk because I get so frustrated, because here I am, you know, as a mom of a five year old, and it's like in every bone in my body to make sure he understands how to work his insulin so he can be a kid and eat those things, and somebody go to college and be an adult and live a long, happy life and not be running around the blood sugar if 200 300 you Know. And then I have my husband who, like, because he's not a kid. It's just seems like people are like, oh, you know, it's fine. Like, well, he's I still want him to, like, die at 50. I mean,

Scott Benner 12:48
he's still young. How old are you? 35 you've lived your life. It's fine. It's like, Come on,

Erica 12:55
kid learning from that too. It's just bizarre. It's just a lack of

Scott Benner 13:00
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Erica 15:51
exactly right, and they don't like to hear that. It might be something else that someone else said, you know, because, oh, no, then I'm not right. My, uh, we go to my son's endo tomorrow, and I'm gonna just ask, like, Who do you Where can I get this figured out with fresh like, Who do you think he would have someone to recommend? I would think, yeah, I really like how he thinks and what he says, right?

Scott Benner 16:09
So, yeah, can you find a guy from me for my husband who's not going to tell him he has type two diabetes and take Metformin because and then tell him what's happening, because the he'll recognize it as type one immediately. Yeah, when

Erica 16:20
my son got diagnosed, and we were actually in the hospital in the ICU, I was talking to him, he came in, and we had a very long conversation. And he even had never even met my husband at this point, and he was like, Oh, your husband's, for sure, type one. And I was like, Okay, so, like, he's even, I've only talked to him as much as I've talked to you, and he already was like, No, you're he's type one. If you look at my son's chart, they have my husband labeled as type one. Children's Hospital does just based on what I've told them. So it's just crazy. Of course, now

Scott Benner 16:49
you have a doctor and a podcaster agreeing with you, so you must be on the right

Erica 16:52
track. Yeah, we must be right.

Scott Benner 16:55
I've given myself over to it. Erica, by the way, I'm a podcaster. I used to say, like, Oh no, I'll do this, but I have a podcast. I'm like, I gotta give that up now. Like, I gotta give it up. Yeah, I gotta embrace this thing. Like, let's it's funny when I tell young people, they're like, really to get super, like, interested. Like, you don't see young people, like, laser focused very often, and they're like, hey, you know what is your like, you'll be together with a bunch of people. Or, like, my daughter brings somebody new home or something. And like, you know, the kids, they've been trained to try to act like humans. So they ask questions. They don't care the answer for you know, they're like, What do you do, sir? And I'm like, Oh, sir, this is nice. I like this. And I say, I make a podcast. And they then they're like, What? Really? Because they're like, in my home, you know what I mean? Like, they walked past the mailbox. You're like, this guy pays his bills with a podcast. And I was like, well, the lady makes money too, but, like, you know, yeah, yeah. And then they get super interested. If I tell somebody over the age of, like, honestly, like, 28 what I do, they're like, Oh, this guy is probably homeless, you know, like, he doesn't have I can't ask him for $1 he doesn't have it. He makes a podcast because they all have friends who think they're influencers. Yeah, that's yeah, oh, it's fantastic. Eric, I swear to God, I know no one will ever hear this that can, like, drill this down, but my daughter's high school graduation, all the kids are like, you know, I'm thinking of going to this college. I might go to this one. I've got a job. I'm gonna do this, this one kid. I said, Uh, hey, what do you? What do you? What do you got planned? He goes, I'm gonna become an influencer. I was like, you're just gonna become it. And he goes, Yeah. I said, How you gonna do that? He goes, I'm traveling overseas, and I'm going to, like, go on. I figured if he said it was an adventure or something like that. I was like, Oh, this kid's gonna get killed. He's like, I'm going overseas and blah blah, and I'm just gonna document everything and put it online and blah blah. My daughter comes to me, like, eight months later, and she goes, remember that kid? And I said, Yeah. She goes, here's a picture of him in a bar with men 25 years older than him. And I was like, Oh, he is definitely gonna end up dead, for sure. There were almost 20 people following him on his, uh, his account. So I think he's, he's really funny, wow, oh yeah, he's onto something. But Erica, all I could think was, why, when I was 17, did my parents not have enough money to let me travel abroad and pretend that I was starting a career?

Erica 19:18
Right? Where are these kids getting all this? It's nuts, unreal.

Scott Benner 19:21
You live in Michigan, yeah? You know about working? I know where you live, yeah, yeah. So military, right, working. This the area you're from, yeah,

Erica 19:30
very blue collar. Yeah. We're in like, Western Michigan. So Grand Rapids area. There's a lot of Yep,

Scott Benner 19:37
okay, no, no, no, it's a nice place. I know people live there, yeah. So let's talk about this, this kid of yours, three and a half year how many kids do you have? First of all, I have two. Yep, two boys. Are they? What? Ages seven and five. Okay, so the five year old a year and a half ago, what? Peeing, thirsty, that stuff,

Erica 19:56
his little daycare school program. I. On Thursday started just complaining about being really thirsty, wanting more water. Thursday night, he starts wetting the bed, which he never had an issue with after potty training. So at first, I was like, oh, that's, you know, kind of weird. But okay, Friday comes, we're supposed to be leaving that Saturday to go out of town for a wedding. Friday comes, and he's more thirsty at daycare. And then Friday night, we're in our backyard having a bonfire, and he and my husband are there, and he, I'm not even kidding you, in an hour, asked me for like, at least four bottles of water and chugged them, and he probably peed like eight times. And I looked right at my husband and I said, I know exactly what this is. I said, and I am not going out of town with this kid, because I will not end up somewhere that I don't know with my kid in the hospital, right? I mean, I work at a hospital in the pharmacy, so I took him, I said, my husband, I'm just going to take him in. And I got, you know, I knew we probably aren't coming home tonight, but I took him in. They poked his finger right then in triage, and it didn't register a number. So right then his blood sugar was like over 500 sent us all back, and we didn't have to wait. Obviously, they put us in and do a bunch of work, you know, blood work. And little bit later, they come in, and his blood sugar was 794 and he was starting to spill ketones he just had, like a bedtime snack, obviously, without insulin, because we didn't know at this time, this all happened at the same time. So I think his blood sugar was probably the eye because of what he had had, had, too. Doesn't matter. So then, right then they started them on an insulin drip and ambulanced us to the Children's Hospital, and we were in the ICU. What

Scott Benner 21:29
was this? Day? 1c 8.7 you caught it very fast.

Erica 21:34
Yes, we caught it very early. The endo was like, shocked. They were like, how did you do How did you know? And I it was honestly, because I watched my husband the exact same thing. Really, I was like, yeah, it was like, spinning in my my husband even had said to me, he's like, if this is what this was with me, he's like, you could keep giving that kid water and he will not punch his thirst in between. Like me, you know, me, watching him do what my husband did, and him saying that to me, I was like, Okay. Like, I just knew in my gut, yeah, how

Scott Benner 22:01
recently prior to your son's diagnosis, did your husband go through that like, how? You know what I mean, my

Erica 22:09
husband was diagnosed January of 2021 and then my son was October of 22 so about a year and a half ish, little bit more. Okay, okay,

Scott Benner 22:19
so you it was fresh enough in your head that you remembered, yeah, and you really acted on it too.

Erica 22:24
Yeah. I think if we wouldn't have been going out of town, I don't know I say that, but I still think in my gut I knew enough to be like, even if we weren't going out of town, I still would have taken him in that night. But I just remember telling my mom and my sister, who were supposed to go into the same wedding. I was like, I'm taking him in. And they're like, Okay, like, I think they thought I was crazy. And then I remember being in the hospital and giving them an update, being like, Oh yeah, we're being transferred to children's and the ICU. And my mom was like, Oh, like that, that moment, I think they were like, you're not crazy. But I just knew, you know, like, Mom got real. I think my boy stood by that. And then once I kind of put that with watching the same thing with my husband, I was like, yeah,

Scott Benner 23:03
yeah. I say this sometimes, but I find it interesting. The Egyptians, like ancient Egyptians, they recognized diabetes. They didn't understand, like, the pathology of it, but they called it the great drain, because they believed that you were like, You were urinating yourself to death, and it

Erica 23:23
literally looks like it's insane, like watching somebody with a blood sugar that high. I mean, I'm glad I didn't wait, because who knows what would have happened. I'm glad that I knew enough. Yeah, you know, with that and some of my medical background, because it literally does, like, how does somebody consume that much water, too? It's he was three and a half. He's tiny. I mean, there's no reason you should be that thirsty.

Scott Benner 23:44
Also just can't afford it, to be honest. Like, once the fourth bottle of water comes out, you're like, Listen, I don't know what you think we got going on over here, but

Erica 23:51
it's at least two bucks, man,

Scott Benner 23:54
I'm doing the math, and we're going to be broke by Wednesday. Get you to the hospital, unless health insurance wants to start paying for bottled water, and then maybe we can keep going a little longer. Well, yeah, that is really cool that you caught it that quickly. Now, how does the hospital handle it? Because he's not that far along. Do they keep him for a while? Or how did they talk to you about it? So it was a Friday. Now you're stuck there for the weekend. Then, yeah, it was a weekend,

Erica 24:19
but they were actually really awesome. They his endo that came in. I don't know if you, I mean, I know on your website you have some lists of that, you know, Children's Hospital, but the I know that is actually his was on call that weekend. We just fucked up. He's the chief of the the department that is lucky, yeah. So he came in and we were kind of talking, and my husband had gotten brought up, and they had kind of, I mean, I work in pharmacy, and I have some medical backgrounds, so they actually only made us stay one stay one night. We met with a dietitian that day. They called one in for us, and kind of were like, here's his ratios to start with. Here's what you're going to do. And even though I knew I had the basis of it, I mean, it's he's still three and a half, it was still kind of nerve wracking to be like, oh God. Like, I'm in charge of this kid. Oh, you know, it's like the hospital with a brand new baby. We. You're like, Okay, I guess now I have to keep this kid alive. But like, more so, you know, 10 times more

Scott Benner 25:05
Erica, one of the like, enduring, horrible memories of my life is the moment it occurred to me in the hospital that I was a stay at home dad, because I like, it was such a blur. It was. We were days into it. And, you know, there's, they're giving you classes and everything, and, and I, and it hit me out of nowhere. I was like, oh my god, we're gonna go home. My wife's gonna go to work, yes, and I'm gonna be here with this two year old kid that has diabetes, and there's needles and, like, math. And I was that was overwhelming, like, I still remember how

Erica 25:40
in needles, but, like math, that's a guess. You know, they're guessing, like, okay, based on his age and his weight and how, you know, this is where you're starting with ratios. But like, my son, specifically with us, I mean, he was tiny, those little humolog Biles or, I mean, pens, you know, the doses they were he He's so sensitive to insulin that, like, we were either having to make him eat enough to make up for what insulin we're giving him, or we were just giving him food because he was it wouldn't work. So the math wasn't even nothing. You know, you're like, this math that they're giving us is not is not good enough. It was about

Scott Benner 26:15
when the nurse comes in and she says, Well, here's your blood glucose meter. And I was like, okay, she goes, we're gonna practice together. And I was like, Oh, we're practicing. That's nice. And so she's like, I'm gonna use my meter because I have to put it into charting, and you'll use your meter. And I thought, why can't you just use my meter to put it into charting? But okay. And so she tests Arden's blood sugar with her meter, and the number comes up, whatever it is. I forget the exact number, and then I test with the meter they gave us to go home with, and the number was like, 2530 points different. And I was like, well, which one's right? And I remember her saying, what? And I went, well, the meter you have said that, and the meter you gave me said this, and mine looks like it fell out of a bubble gum machine, and yours looks like it cost $20,000 so like, Is yours right and this one's wrong? Like, every time I test your blood sugar, should I just assume it's 20 points higher than this? Because that, you know what I mean, I'm like, and she's like, No, don't worry about that. And that was the end of that direction. And I was like, I still, it's funny, because still on the podcast today, when people ask me about that, I go, Yeah, I know doesn't end up being too much of a problem, like, just, it really

Erica 27:24
is so true in the beginning, you know, every little thing, it's like, I mean, we're almost two years in now, and I can kind of look at a meal, you know, and kind of, I used to be, I was counting every single carb, and I was measuring and weighing everything, because that's how in your brain, you realize, okay, I have to keep this good. But now it's like, after two years. I mean, what is 20 points difference really? Yeah, I get so, like, immune to it and comfortable, and now I can, like, Look at me. I'm like, oh, it's probably about that many carbs, and you just kind of catch a high or catch a low as you go. And, I mean, hope for the best. Kind of,

Scott Benner 27:56
I almost hate to say it, but I agree with you, if you didn't have diabetes and you were trying to, like, chart your blood sugar, and your blood sugar was really 89 and you thought it was 109 Well, that's a big problem, but if you have type one, and your blood sugar is somewhere between 89 and 109 I mean, you're just killing it. You know what? I mean, like, yeah,

Erica 28:14
all right, that'd be a risk, yeah. I mean, it is just funny how and then the doctors, I think if you don't live it, I mean, no, I and those, they're great dietitians. The diabetic educators, they all know, like book the books part of it, you know. And they've learned a lot, obviously. But I think unless one of the diabetic educators at my son's office is a type one, and like I would choose to pick her to talk to over if you live it, you just get it more, I think. Yeah. So that nurse being like, oh, that 20 bit, you know, at the beginning of a diagnosis, that's scary. When you don't know

Scott Benner 28:49
what anybody's talking about, you're like, I don't understand. Why does it not matter that these two numbers aren't

Erica 28:53
Yes, exactly, yeah, that's that's my point. Yep. And by

Scott Benner 28:57
the way, perfect world, it does matter. And it would be nice to follow the technology. And again, I want to point out Arden was dying. Arden was diagnosed when she was four, and she's going to be 20 next week, so this was 16 years ago. Yeah, I could not imagine that young nurse who told me that is 40 now, yeah, yep, because she looked like she started like the week before, and now she's literally, literally, probably 40 years old. Now I tried one time to reach out to the doctor at the diagnosis, she's like, I'm retired. And I was like, oh, oh yeah, I'm old. I forgot you get this information. I mean, I assume I don't. I'm gonna ask your situation at home. Are you a stay at home parent, or are you the one that's with your kids? Or how does it work? We

Erica 29:40
have a very weird dynamic. I work third shift at a hospital, and I do week on week off, so during the day I am home, and then on my week off, I'm home, and then the weeks I'm at work at night, my husband is home at night. So it's a very we do a very my husband I are a great team. We do a very good juggling act. I I could not do it without him. He. That do it without me. I would hope he would say, we're both home with him at all times, but

Scott Benner 30:05
we both work. So how do you do that? How do you work for a week and then not work for a week and then work for a week? Doesn't it make you mental every time you have to go back to work?

Erica 30:13
Yes, I get pissed every Wednesday. I'm like, I do Wednesday to Tuesday night, and I get very, very mad. I've actually been off for two weeks. I have one more week off because I took a week of PTO, and I am not going to want to go back next week, three weeks off. It's going to be like, you know,

Scott Benner 30:29
when Kelly and I were first married, we went on a vacation for like, two weeks, and we came back on like, Sunday afternoon, and we were sitting, you know, in the living room. We were, like, we were doing laundry that we brought back from the vacations. And we were really young, like, I want to be honest, like we were like, first of all, we were too young get married. And like, when we were really young, like, I was maybe, my God, I was maybe 24 and she was like, 22 you know what I mean, like, and we had just, like, taken off these two weeks. We're sitting there watching something on television on Sunday evening, and I spontaneously, and I mean, out of nowhere, start to cry. She's like, Oh my God, what's wrong? And I was like, I do not want to go back to work. And I wasn't kidding,

Erica 31:16
that'll be me. That'll be me. I sit there every, you know, Tuesday night before I go back and my husband, I watch TV because watched TV, kids go back, and I'm like, I don't want to go back to work. And he goes, You say this every Tuesday, I know, I know, but I feel the same every Tuesday you just

Scott Benner 31:31
feel like, which is why you're getting a very consistent response from me, right? Must be real. No, it just that just hit me. Like, once you're in the swing of it. It is what it is. But like, you stopping and starting, like, oh, I

Erica 31:44
have to just remind myself, like, between my husband and my son, they both have CGM, and my son wears an omnipot. And I'm very, very grateful where I work. I have very good insurance, so I have to work for the health insurance. I mean, yeah, it is what it is. So if I guess, if you put it in that way, like, I don't really have a choice, I have to go. I don't want to, but I have to, yeah, I've noticed

Scott Benner 32:05
things are easier when you don't have a choice, right? Yeah. Okay, so, like, is there a main caregiver of the diabetes, or are you guys, like, literally, a team on it?

Erica 32:14
As far as, like, home life, we very much are a team as now when it comes to, like, schools, because I'm home during the day, when he's in school, I am the one who trains the teachers usually, and the nurse and all of that. And when it comes to appointments, I bring him to appointments. But I mean my son or my husband, like, I have a weekend coming up where I'm going away for a bachelorette party, and I my husband will be just fine, like he he does very, very well. So we are very much 5050, he knows exactly what to do. Yeah, it which makes it a lot easier, I think, on a parent, because it's hard. It's hard being a parent of a type one and making sure everything's good. But yeah, when

Scott Benner 32:54
you signed up to come on, you didn't write a lot, but you said that there's a determination that's necessary to give your kids guidance and the drive that they need to succeed. And I was wondering, like, Is that why you wanted to come on? You want to talk about that?

Erica 33:06
Yeah, I I feel like when it's something that does make you realize, I mean, it smacks you in the face at first, you know, when you you are the parent of a kid diagnosed, and you know this, I'm sure it's your job to make sure that kid can grow up and be a full fledged adult and be able to manage their diabetes as I don't ever want my son to feel like he is only diabetes. You know, like Arden, she goes to college and she lives a very happy, healthy life. I I would assume they send a podcast doing good, and to be honest like you, with how you are with her has been such an inspiration to me that if me going on and talking about my kid and the determination that we have as a couple to make my son's life like that, I that is why I wanted to go on, really because it is possible. I mean, you have these people, and I think I'm blessed and lucky that my kid was diagnosed at three, because he doesn't remember life without diabetes, where you're diagnosed at 1415 it's probably a little harder to get your you know, they now realize, Oh, my life's a lot different.

Scott Benner 34:15
Um, that's one of those questions I don't know how to answer. I

Erica 34:18
mean, either people ask me that all the time, and I'm like, I don't know it's like, I can see it completely both ways, right?

Scott Benner 34:25
But I see the virtues. I mean, if you're gonna call them virtues, but I see the virtues of both, you know, the being young and not having this like feeling of, you know, like loss maybe. But I don't know that. It doesn't matter. When you get to a certain age, you can look around and see other people and feel like, oh, I don't have this thing they have, you know, like, like, a carefree nature, or like, you know, like, Arden and her friend got up the other morning at, like, three o'clock in the morning, and they drove to the beach to watch the sun rise right, which I thought was lovely and everything. And so she's, like, her alarms going off, and she's getting up and, you know. As she's leaving, I'm texting her, like, don't forget to take your supplies. Like, don't, you know. Like, it sucks because you know her friend's gonna roll out of bed and just like, you know, wander outside and get in the car and leave and and I'm telling Arden, like, don't forget, you know, bring a pod. You know, bring insulin. You know, don't forget to put the insulin ice. It's hot out. Like, yeah, so, I mean, I don't know that at some point you're not gonna even though you don't remember it. It's not like you can't see it in other people and go, Oh, I I'm missing something that they don't have. You know,

Erica 35:32
that sucks, and that pisses me off, actually, as a parent, because, I mean, I have nieces and nephews who like, Oh, you want a snack. Go to the pantry, get a snack. Oh, you want to go ride your bike around the campground. When we camp in the week, like, but it's always with my son. I'm like, Okay, we have to dose you for your snack. And, oh, make sure you bring your, you know, your phone with you so you hear your alarm go off and bring your fruit snacks. So if you you know, it's like, we always, yeah, we were camping with some friends a couple weeks ago, and one of them asked me. She was like, Do you ever just, like, get a break and you don't, you just don't. You literally don't. Yeah,

Scott Benner 36:03
no, you're like, I have it on my calendar. I'm planning on dying when I'm 86 right? That's gonna, I'm gonna, I'm taking the day off that day, for sure, you don't,

Erica 36:09
yeah, you don't get a break. And it made me think it's like, no, I guess you really don't. But, I mean, it just becomes second nature, I guess, yeah, back your mind. I always say I only ever really relax when my son is eating, and I know why time is Pre Bolus, right, or when he's sleeping at night, and I know that OmniPods got him all night, and we're just fine solo. Those are like, the only two times where you're not really like so in the back, it's always there, in the back of your mind.

Scott Benner 36:32
I'll tell you that I don't have that overwhelming feeling any longer, but I know what it was, and I lived with it for very long time. But I do have the it doesn't stop feeling like that for sure. I don't know. It's like a noise in your house you can't find. You know what I mean? Like, you're like, what is that buzzing?

Erica 36:50
And I do think, I mean, I couldn't be 60 years old and him be married with his own kids, and if I'm on his Dexcom, which he probably won't let me be, but, you know, I'll hear I'll probably be like, oh, you know, are you okay? How's your low you know, did you eat something? But I just think, as it's just always probably gonna be there. You're always gonna worry.

Scott Benner 37:06
I think if you could see my brain like, you know, when you open up the activity monitor on your computer and it shows you where all the memories being used? Yeah, I guarantee that there's a portion of my memory that is constantly being used for diabetes, whether I'm aware of it or not?

Erica 37:20
100% Yeah, 100% yep, I would agree. And I haven't been doing it near as long as you. So I feel like, I mean, if you're telling me I'm just going in because it's forever,

Scott Benner 37:31
like, it goes away more and more. But I try to think about people with type one my daughter and other people, and maybe when people say they're burned out and they're just like, I just like, I just stopped paying attention. Like, I wonder if that's not a defense mechanism. Almost like, Oh

Erica 37:45
yeah, you know, I want that. I wondered that, yeah, it sucks. I mean, it does suck. I can't imagine those kids. I mean, even the people that aren't kids that deal with it on a daily basis. I'm like, my kid is stronger than I would, I would probably be. I mean, if you have to be, you have to be. But just even the way that these kids take it in stride and do with life, it's amazing. It's a

Scott Benner 38:09
good lesson that maybe you could ask more of your children than we do sometimes as well. You know what I mean? Like, like, look, they're handling this. They could probably handle taking out the garbage. Or, for sure, yes, working a little harder at school, or being a little more whatever. Like, we can act like, oh, you know, they need to be kids, and they need to do this. And I don't even know what that means, honestly, like, what does they need to be kids? Mean? Like, they're kids, don't worry about it. They'll be alright, yeah. And it feels incumbent to say, if you let the lessons that come from diabetes really get to you without being just pissed about it, you will see there's like, a leveling up that happens in a lot of areas of your life. That's for the people who make it. You know what? I mean, like, that's an easy story to tell if you're doing great, but if you're at home and you can't pull your head out of your, you know, blankets, then, you know, being told that there's great lessons to be learned from diabetes is not a valuable statement. So, yeah, yeah. And that's the thing you think about a lot, like, where's my kid gonna end up with all this? Right?

Erica 39:14
Yeah. I mean, you could, we could go on all day about what it costs to be a diabetic, you know? And these kids didn't ask for that. I'm very lucky now that, like, I don't pay a lot for our things because I have very good health insurance at the hospital I work at. But, like, when he gets kicked off my insurance someday, you know, it's just things like that where it's you're always wondering Maureen, about things that most I feel like most parents don't ever have to worry about their health insurance when their kid's 26

Scott Benner 39:36
you know, yeah. But feels like a time bomb in my house. It

Erica 39:39
does. Yeah, it does, you know, compared to two years ago, it's been almost two years. I breathe a lot easier than I used to, and it's just another day. And some days are great, and we have an A 1c of six currently, like you put it into the grand scheme of things, it's just life, and we're doing what we gotta do, and he's having a healthy, healthy life. And if you ever do, sit back. Back and think about it. You're like, dang, you know, this is forever for this kid. People ask me about all the time because type one's still misunderstood too, you know, I had somebody ask me this pets weekend, so he'll have that forever? I'm like, Yeah, he'll have it forever, you know? And it's like, when you put it like that, like, dang, it's got a lot of years still, they

Scott Benner 40:15
have to Yeah. Like, even when you're saving for your retirement, like, I we find ourselves in this position all the time, like, there's this party that's like, oh, I would like to retire one day. You know what I mean? Like, I wonder if I could put some money together and do that. And then my wife will say, like, shouldn't we just leave it to the kids? Like, what if Arden can't get insurance when she's an adult? Yeah. And I'm like, Oh, God, is that what we have to do? Like, you know? And then some people hear that and say, they'll be all right, and Bye, bye. And she probably will be. But what if she's not? You know what I mean, like, like, what if I'm, like, drifting away, and one day I go, Oh, I did go on vacation five times when I was retired. Or I could have left art in that money, and maybe she could have bought insulin with it for a decade, or something like that. You know what I mean, so and maybe not that long. Honestly, I don't go on extravagant vacations. At least she could have something like, what if, like, I mean, God, we say this to each other all the time, like, what if she just, again, ends up being a near to well, and she just kind of can't pull it together. Or, what if she marries a guy who takes advantage of her and takes her money one day? Or, like, like, like, all the like, nobody else thinks about that because, like, you could fall on your ass 1000 times. But if you're on your ass and you can't afford insurance and you can't afford insulin, right, that's a different falling you know? I don't know it sucks, yep, well, try not to think about it, because I will tell you this worries a waste of imagination, and that'll probably not happen. Yeah,

Erica 41:39
no, I love that. Yeah, I'm always been like a worst case scenario, hope for the best, but you'd ever know kind of person? But, and back to the diabetes lesson thing. I feel like that's a lesson that we've all kind of learned. It's like, it is what it is it it will work out. Try not to worry about it. You know,

Scott Benner 41:56
it's nice to have an actual, physical representation in your life, of what doesn't kill you makes you stronger, right? But at the same time, there's that other side of you that's like, I would like to not know that lesson, yeah, yeah. I could use for some ignorance. Like, I'd like to walk around just pretending that, like life's just easy, like, that would be nice, you know. Anyway, yep, this is a bummer, Eric, did you know you were gonna be such a bummer? I

Erica 42:21
know what a Debbie Downer I am.

Scott Benner 42:24
Oh my gosh. So kid is on

Erica 42:27
a pump, right? Yes, he's on Omnipod five. Omnipod

Scott Benner 42:31
five, so he's using Dexcom g6 right now, yeah, okay, three and a half. He's always with one of you, or he goes to daycare. Well,

Erica 42:41
he goes to school now. So he was just in preschool this past year, and they did great. How'd that go?

Scott Benner 42:48
How did you get that set up? What did you do to set it up? I

Erica 42:50
started in the summer, reaching out to the school and just saying, you know, my son has type one, figuring out, is there a certain classroom he needs to be in? Which teacher Do you think he'd be best with once we kind of got all those ducks in a row. I've met with the teachers a couple times over the summer, and just kind of they met him, and we kind of went over the basis of this is what we'll do. I'll send him with I always send him like with his lunch and the carb count. They don't have to figure out the math. I try to make it as easy as possible. And it is easy with the Omnipod, you know, they just have to know how to work the controller and all of that. And then I made up folders with just some basis information, like, if this ever happens, here's this paper you can pull out, you know, pull out and talk to each other if you need to call me, text me. They had a group ride with my husband and I, so anytime they would have a question, we would just respond in a text message. But they did, what's

Scott Benner 43:42
that paper label? Does it say oh shit on the top of it?

Erica 43:47
It doesn't, I think, when you hand it to them, though, that's what they think. Oh yeah. People's faces, you know, they're like, Oh God, I have to keep this kid alive. This is a teacher. What? But, yeah, we're actually starting that process right now with kindergarten. He'll be switching schools and going to kindergarten in the fall, so I'm actually like, updating all his papers and going to the end of tomorrow to get papers signed, and I'm hoping it can go the same way. You know, kindergarten a little more freedom than preschool was. So yeah, it'll be an adjustment, but

Scott Benner 44:17
it's going to be like that every year. Yeah, even if it's just because he gets older, or even if it's because the structure of the day changes, or all of a sudden there's more recesses. Or, you know, wait till some time, wait till they put recess before lunch. And you think, this is terrible, and then the year later they put the recess after lunch. You're like, oh my god, yeah, this is worse we

Erica 44:41
just had. So that's to figure that in, okay, after, and then after, after recess is nap time, you know? So you're running, running, running, and then all of a sudden, now you're laying down. You're like, oh, pump

Scott Benner 44:52
them full of insulin, give them some to eat, run them around and let them take a nap. Yeah, yeah, exactly. But you figured out, like, what did you do? Like, gave them basically. And if this. Then that type of a list, yeah,

Erica 45:01
if this, then that, if this and that, if you still can't figure it out, call or text me if he was ever, you know, a couple days where his pump wasn't working right. It was a million degrees, or he didn't drink lot, whatever that list of things could be, why his pump wasn't working as well and his blood sugar was higher than normal. I went up to school and changed his pump a couple times and tucked them for ketones. And if he was fine, they were very good about it, like adjusting him. It was, I mean, we maintained a a 1c of, I think it was 6.2 at the start of the year, and 6.0 at the end. So you

Scott Benner 45:32
well done. Yeah. Is that you, or is that Omnipod five? Is it a balance of the things? Omnipod

Erica 45:37
five definitely helps, but that's the only pump we've had before we were MDI, so I, I guess that's all I have to know to compare it to dosing wise. I mean, the podcast actually has helped, because I am not afraid to kind of maybe over correct once in a while if I know a highs come in, which you don't know to do until you know to do it, but his his teachers only knew what I would tell them, you know, so and we had it written. I think this actually came from one of your podcasts. You know, have the endo in the papers, right? Parents have the say, the last final say. So it doesn't matter what this document says, If I'm telling you to do this, you better. You better do it as his mom,

Scott Benner 46:18
yeah, just an out clause at the very bottom, like, here are all the rules, unless lady or guy says something different than do what they say. Yeah,

Erica 46:25
so we did that, but the Omnipod, the Omnipod is, mean, very, very good. It can't keep up with all the highs sometimes. I mean, he's five, and we have birthday cake at school sometimes for birthdays. But I don't know, we're very vigilant about it, and maybe we're too vigilant at times, but whatever I gotta Why

Scott Benner 46:44
would you say that? Why would you say maybe it's too vigilant sometimes, I don't

Erica 46:47
know. I just think maybe sometimes we're too hyper focused on it, like I've had people say, Well, I think if you just again, and this is people who aren't parents of a type one, so maybe this is just me thinking that I'm over zealous about it, but, you know, you have people be like, can't you just, won't it just come down on its own? Won't it just the pump on its own? Do it? But it's if he's riding a little high. I mean, eventually that pump will bring him down, but those little micro boluses are going to bring him down a lot slower than me just giving him a half a unit or a unit here or there. You know, I

Scott Benner 47:20
think a person who doesn't understand diabetes, I understand why they would say that, if they, if they understood the impacts of the higher blood sugar, I think they wouldn't say that. But yes, I also see a lot of people who are willing to live like that. So maybe I agree, maybe, maybe not. It's just, it's just different. It's different perspectives that people have on levels of effort that they want to put into things. Yes, that's kind of all it is, really. And, you

Erica 47:49
know, I will say I don't even think it's just diabetes. I'm kind of like that in every aspect of my life, yeah, so maybe just my personality, and that's just what I do for everything. So it's just normal for me, and it doesn't feel like extra work to me, you know? And I feel like, as a mom, that's what I signed up for, you know, I'm going to do whatever I need to do for this kid, and if that's this, is that, then I hear you. I

Scott Benner 48:09
feel the same way. I have to tell you the I was so busy yesterday, I looked at today, and I thought, I'm going to record with Erica at 10am but I've been working since seven and and the truth is, is that right before we recorded, I thought to myself, I gotta eat something like, what am I doing? So like, I'm gonna take the time to eat after you and I are finished, I have to record new ads. Today. I have a new series that I'm doing with the Arden that I have to get the microphone set up for. I'm paying more attention to my social media now, because it occurs to me that I have a really strong social media presence that I don't do anything with. I was like, Maybe I should do that. I'm setting up some paperwork for something. I just set up new things with Dr Blevins to come back on and talk again about a couple of different topics. I want to get Jenny set up for, like, the next 25 things we're going to record together, and I'll do that all day, and I'll have to remind myself tonight to stop and like, I really will, like, I'll just keep working. Yeah, and I don't feel put off by that. Now, I'm not digging a hole. Listen, I've worked in a sheet metal shop before. I wouldn't be like, Oh, I was super excited to weld 100,000 tanks today. Like, I wouldn't have said that, you know what I mean, but I get that, but I don't know what people think life's supposed to be full of. You know what I mean? Like, I'm doing a thing that I'm really good at, and it's helping people. And like, I like that. It fills my time, and I think that about kids too. Like, what? And anything else I'm not doing, by the way, I'm gonna be doing something I helped Arden last night, she's filling out an application for something. I sat with her and helped her with that kind of stuff. And she needed some feedback on some stuff she had to put in with the application. I was happy to sit with her. My son and I watched four innings of a baseball game together, like, I don't know, like, I don't find myself bored, right? And I don't get that when people are bored. I guess there's so many fun things to do or things. That people can benefit from.

Erica 50:01
Yeah, and I do think like you, how you don't get bored of the podcast, and it doesn't, it probably doesn't feel like work to you, no, because you you know it's enjoyable. You're good at it. People learn a lot from you. You have life experience. And I think you know me coming on and talking. I mean, it's not nearly as what involved is what you do. But it doesn't feel like I'm sitting here, like it doesn't feel like I'm trying to fill my time, like I'm enjoying doing it, and I feel hopefully it helps people too, but that's what I kind of feel like taking care of my son. It's like I don't it's just, what else am I going to be doing, really, with my life? I mean, those days I don't work, I might as well I'm not just going to sit on my TV and my couch watch TV all day. You know, what else is there to do? Yeah,

Scott Benner 50:45
I hear that like, people are like, well, I, you know, I don't know what to do, or I don't I'm like, Yeah, I don't know. What did you think this was? Like, I always wonder that. Like, you know, especially now, kids grow up with so much stuff to do as kids, yeah, when they stop being kids, and their times not overly managed, and they're not in 17 sports or something. They're like, what is life? I'm like, Oh, this is life. The thing you were doing before we were like, like, just holding up shiny objects in front of you. Yeah, exactly. Now, run to soccer. Now, run to this. Now, do your homework. Now do like, you know, I don't know I like tasks. I like but I don't think of them that way. And I just know I don't either. Yeah, I enjoy having things to do. That's my point. I don't know. And there's no reason why diabetes can't be one of the things you just do without feeling like, oh, this is so unfair that I have to do this. I reserve this is unfair that I have to do this for the laundry. Yeah, right, that I'm happy to be pissed at. Like, do you know I recorded an episode yesterday, like, and I I, like, two minutes before I recorded, I ran, I put a load of laundry in, and I set up a timer so that it would turn on and and be done right when I was done recording the podcast, so that I could put it the dryer and, like, even that I enjoyed. I'm like, oh, people need clean clothes. Like, I'm I'm like, yeah, like, but it's the folding. It, the folding it makes me mental. Oh, I'll fold

Erica 52:15
it, but I don't want to put it away. Oh,

Scott Benner 52:18
putting away. Do you leave it stuck Do you leave it piled around everywhere? Currently

Erica 52:22
have a pile on my dryer and in the clothes basket, and I'm hoping that we can just wear it all, and I can just and I don't have to put it away.

Scott Benner 52:30
Is there a better feeling than putting on a pair of underwear that you didn't put in a drawer? You're like, no wasted time here, baby service. Well, yeah, well, we're all living the same life. It's crazy. When you said the podcast was helpful to you, can you explain to me how you found it and what it was that you found helpful? Yes,

Erica 52:54
so actually, my the endo office told me they were like, You should really listen this podcast, you know? And then they closet where it's like, you know, it's not medical advice, you know, how they Yeah, they do that. Which I was like, No, that's okay. But for me, it was having you as a dad and the experience, and then listening to, like, Jenny talk, you know, she has diabetes, so listening to her first hand experience, and just the be bull with insulin, to me was like, it just hit home. Because I, I think it goes back to me saying, when you're when you're first the parent of a kid diagnosed, I mean, it can kill you, you it scares you. Yeah, you know, like, don't give too much, because that can kill you. But if you don't give enough, you're going to have long term offense, and that can kill you too. And it's, I think it feels like such a fine line, but for me, the podcast, it made that line, like easier to understand. You know, yeah, you can be bold and insulin if you can understand how to catch the low that's probably going to come after you're bold. But for me, like that was less scary than always having to make sure I'm counting right, or not giving my kid pizza or not letting him have birthday cake, or right? You know, we'll just figure it out. So helpful in the way that it taught me not to be afraid, really, of I mean, it is insulin, and it can be scary, but it doesn't have to be, Oh,

Scott Benner 54:12
that's interesting. I'm glad to know that I really don't know. Like, I'm just, obviously, I make a lot of content, but so I'm of the mind of just like, I know a lot of things, I'll just keep saying them, you know what I mean, and people will hear them, and hopefully they'll help. But I never, I never quite understand, because different people find different parts of it valuable, yeah, so it's interesting to hear that part, yeah? Like, so you're almost like, I'm almost like a baseball coach to you. I'm like, you can do it. Get out there, hit the ball.

Erica 54:42
Yeah, no. 100% Yes, yep. It's interesting.

Scott Benner 54:46
I didn't know all this before I started, seriously, like, before I started, I was like, here's what's going to happen. I'm going to do this, and they're going to react like that. And it like, very quickly. I was like, Oh, I guess that's not how it works. I guess I. Don't just, I don't just control what everybody thinks. It's actually freeing once you recognize that not everybody's going to take the same thing from it, because then you just, you realize, like, I'm like, I'll just dump what I know out into the world, and people can pick from it. It's like a garage for me,

Erica 55:15
like, you know, first being diagnosed when that, you know, the doctor said, oh, you should have said this podcast, you know, the the beginning series was so helpful. Then when I then I knew about the podcast. So then when we went from MDI to omnipot, I was like, Oh, well, I'm gonna listen to the omnipotent I listen to all that before we went to the training, you know. So then I, but then my favorite episodes are the ones where parents come on and just talk about their kids, and just hearing like how other people do things and how other kids are getting through life, and it I just, I've learned. I've learned a lot. I've

Scott Benner 55:46
Excellent. Well, it's working then, which is really all that matters, like, like, at some point sounds so, trust me, it sounds so stupid, and I know it does. I think of this almost, like, as an artistic endeavor, like I painted it. It's up to you to tell me what it is. Like, I don't get to tell you how the painting's supposed to make you feel, yeah, like, once I was able to let go of it like that, and then to hear it back from somebody like you, this is really excellent because, because, in the end, all I should be doing, like, there are people close to me that, you know, help me with kind of the emotional support it takes to make this thing and, oh, I can Yeah. And, like, I get from a friend, and it's a person you guys know, but it's a private thing for me, so I'm just gonna keep who it is to me. But you know, she'll say to me, like, just keep doing what you think is right. Yeah, like, it's working. And I'm like, because I'm like, Well, I don't understand. Like, what did we do here? What should we have done? Like, what am I missing? And she's like, it doesn't matter. She's like, just do what you just keep doing what you're doing. And she's like, people, people jive with what you say. Just keep talking. And I'm like, okay, because I can get caught up in like, what is it I'm doing and what am I supposed to be doing? And she's like, just whatever comes to mind, just do it. And I'm like, okay, great. So I make lists and I stare at them until I go, that's the next thing I'm going to do, and then I do it, and it generally works out well, so I should knock on

Erica 57:13
No, yeah, I kudos to you for doing what you do. And I She's right. I hope you do keep doing it, because it is very helpful as I mean, I haven't even been doing it that long, and I feel like, compared to even a year ago, like when we were six months in, I feel like I know even more. I learned more, and I don't think I even try to, you know, I think just listening and it you're you're relatable. So I think you just talking and being relatable is what makes it like, Oh, if he can do that, I can do that.

Scott Benner 57:40
That's exactly my that's exactly how I feel about it. I'm like, I'm obviously an idiot. So they must be like, he's doing it. Well, hell, you know, like, um, but, but you said something that I actually find to be true. Like, it's something I tell people all the time when they're newly diagnosed. I'm like, you know, the biggest takeaway you should have today is that a year from now, you will look back on yourself and not recognize yourself like you will, you will be so much better at this a year from now. If you just listen to the podcast and they're like, Well, what episodes? I'm like, almost like, I don't know. Like, just listen. It'll get to you. Yeah, then keep going. Yeah, right, yeah. It is that learning through it just seeps in. It's not, it's not learning the way people it doesn't

Erica 58:20
feel like learning. It's not like you're sitting school and you're taking down notes, which is, I think, what it felt like, and feels like when you're just diagnosed, you know, they hand you this binder, and they're like, here are all the foods you should eat, and here's but then when you listen to the podcast, then you I listen to an episode about the glycemic index, and then you're like, Well, I want to know more about that. You know, it's like, just listening, I think makes you want to learn more. Yeah, as somebody living with it or taking care of somebody with it. So it's yeah, keep doing it. It's I thank

Scott Benner 58:49
you. I appreciate it. I had a business call yesterday with like, a long term sponsor who's like, these, you know, a lot of these companies use, like, outside PR departments to help them, like, figure things out and stuff. And this one company wanted me to sit down with, like, like a consultant that they have, and they wanted to know what it is like. They're like, Well, what do you do? Like, basically, like, they they buy ads from you, but what is it you do? And I and I sat down, and I was like, okay, so I get on this call with this person I don't know, and she goes, What? What do you do? And I said, I trick people into taking better care of themselves. And she goes, what? And I said, and I just told her about the interview from that day. And I was like, I interviewed a lady today. This was her story that, you know, like you would think we would have went in this direction, but instead, we talked about this. And, you know, she's like, Well, none of that has anything to do with diabetes, like I know I said, But interject it into that conversation. I would take excursions into diabetes stuff, and you'll listen, because her story is insane. You won't realize that three or four times along the hour you heard stuff very specific about diabetes that helped you, and it'll stick. To you. And I was like, Yeah, right. And I was like, and that's my that's my model. It's not just, by the way, it's not a model. Like, I sat down and I thought, hey, Erica, what's going to work best here the way I make this, but this is just how it comes out of me and like, and to call it my model is reverse engineering. I'm looking back to see what it actually is. And I said to her, I'm like, I'm sure there are other people putting good diabetes thoughts into the world. I'm like, but it's so goddamn boring. Like, who would want to listen to that? No, that's for sure. Yeah, no one wants that. And I don't mean them. Like, if a person who's making a podcast right now, and it's very like, very like, every word they say is about diabetes is like, oh god, he's probably right. It's very boring, or you're mad at me, or whatever. Like, don't take it personally. I'm not talking about you. I'm talking about like, In what world do I want to live Erica's life and then sit down once a week and listen to an hour straight talk about diabetes? Horrible. I need it. I don't want it, right? That's how I think about it. So I'm like, so entertain people, or tell them bigger stories or whatever, and then slip it in, you know what I mean? So yeah,

Erica 1:01:02
and I think then too, it will go back to, if I have to sit down every week and know that I have to learn this information, it's going to feel like a chore, which, in turn, I don't want my diabetes to be like a chore, yeah, because you'll resent the whole thing, right? So let's that's why I think your podcast is up, because it just makes it it makes it easy to want to try new things. It makes it exciting, because if it works, then you're like, holy cow. Like, yeah, I can do that. I can let my five year old have pizza and ice cream and mac and cheese and keep an A 1c of six.

Scott Benner 1:01:30
You know, you push the button dummy says something, it's funny, you laugh. And then and you buy mistake. You understand how to Pre Bolus when it's over, whatever. Like, how, you know, like, I swear, the the I won't bore you with it. Well, it wouldn't boring, it wouldn't bore you, but it's probably going to come out around the same time as your episode. So I don't want to just tell I don't want people to go, Yeah, I just heard that one yesterday when I'm explaining it. But the woman I spoke to yesterday had a really interesting personal story, and it had all to do with diabetes, like, just like nothing, you know, but we still talked about our diabetes interspersed into it, and that's all I got

Erica 1:02:08
that works interesting, and I think that's what's relatable. And, yeah, nuts about the podcast. Years ago,

Scott Benner 1:02:14
my son said, How long do you really think you can make a podcast about diabetes? And I said, I don't even think about it, like it's about diabetes, and he's like, what is it? And I was like, it's about people, they happen to have diabetes. That's how I think of it. Like, I'm not talking to you because your kid has type one. I want to hear your whole story. Yep, you know you're the one I'm talking to because, yeah, because your kid has type one. But I would talk to you anyway. You know what I mean? Yeah, no, of course. Well, you're from Michigan. You know what to do? Yeah, we're gonna be counting on you. People with those Canadians ever come over the border? You're our first line of defense, yeah, yeah, our partner. Can you fight them off? They're gonna come with penguins. Are you gonna be ready? Yeah, seriously, they're gonna throw penguins at you. I just want you to be ready for

Erica 1:03:02
that. I'm ready. I'm ready for anything. You guys have

Scott Benner 1:03:05
four wheel drive trucks and shotguns, right? Yes, yeah, okay. All right, you'll be fine then, all right, because we're counting on you, because if they get to us, well, then we're all in trouble. Yeah? You think, listen Erica, when they get to the podcasters, I don't know how we're gonna fight back.

Erica 1:03:23
We got lots of noodles.

Scott Benner 1:03:27
I got Texas in the south and I got you in the north. That's it. When they get to the middle in Texas.

Erica 1:03:31
So we're covered all directions. Perfect. This is perfect, yeah? Because

Scott Benner 1:03:36
whenever an invader gets to me, I'm gonna be like, Would you like to be interviewed about how you feel about something, and they're gonna kill me. Meanwhile, I don't believe that the Canadians are coming, but everybody seems pretty happy with where they live for the most part. Yeah, okay, what is there anything we didn't talk about that we should have? I don't think

Erica 1:03:56
so. I feel like I've covered my story. I don't know

Scott Benner 1:04:01
good. You think I'm going to call this episode Canadian invaders? Oh, my

Erica 1:04:05
God, that would be funny, like maybe many listeners would you get?

Scott Benner 1:04:11
I think calling it the Michigan militia is going to be weird, but I think as it's as Canadian invaders sounds like Space Invaders to

Erica 1:04:19
me, it does. Are you too young for that? No, what a fun game. Do you know Space Invaders? Yeah. I mean, my mom probably knows it more, um, but my grandma had a that

Scott Benner 1:04:31
was unheard full Erica. There's no reason to say that to me, Jesus Christ.

Erica 1:04:36
We were kids. My grandma had this little, I don't even know if you can call it a video game. It was literally, that's what it was. It was a Space Invaders game, but it was my mom's years ago, yeah, but we used to play it when we were kids.

Scott Benner 1:04:46
I guess Space Invaders is basically Tetris that you shoot at, right?

Erica 1:04:50
Yes, yeah, that's how I remember it from what a great she still has that. I'm gonna look for it.

Scott Benner 1:04:56
Well, I used to play it in an arcade. I. Whole fun. You don't know what an arcade is. Stop it. I know

Erica 1:05:04
what an arcade is from, like,

Scott Benner 1:05:05
from a movie, yeah, because you saw strangers. Yeah, no, oh my god. There was an arcade in the little mall by my house, and we'd go there and with quarters and play video games and space for a quarter. Anyway, anymore, nothing. Listen, don't get me started. I will start bitching about how people treat $20 in a second, if you like, talk to me. I'm mad. I had a long angry conversation with a stranger in a Wawa parking lot because I was like, you guys, don't He's a young guy. And I was like, I said, it must sound like such an old man. I'm like, but you got I'm like, You don't understand. You just walked out of there with 216 ounce bottles of soda that you paid $5 for. And because it was two for five, you think you got a deal? I was like, there's 18 cents worth of soda in your hand. I was like, and you just paid $5 for it, and you did it gleefully. And he's like, what? I'm like, it shouldn't cost that much. And I was like, and your sandwich was $10 you just spent $15 for a glass of poison and a sandwich.

Erica 1:06:09
Now it's, that's so true. You know, I'm 32 almost, but it's almost like, even if you look at five years ago, like, I went to the store the other day and I was gonna buy, we were going camping, so I was gonna buy, like, Diet Coke in a can, and I, like, could not bring myself to buy it because of what it costs. Good for you, I could used to buy four of these for $12 and I'm gonna buy one. You're no, not a chance. Good for you

Scott Benner 1:06:30
saying, I swear to you, I went out to dinner like my kid came home, and then, you know, his girlfriend came over, and then Arden came home from college, and she brought a friend. And next thing you know, there's six of us sitting in a restaurant, and the bill came, and I looked at the bill, and Kelly goes, What's wrong? And I was like, Is this $180 she goes, yeah. And I'm like, yeah. I'm like, You're not in charge of the money. Obviously, I was like, but I was like, this doesn't this? Like, physically, doesn't make any sense. And she goes, Well, there's six of us. And I was like, so I was like, a

Erica 1:07:04
lot of money a person,

Scott Benner 1:07:06
$30 a person. I think we've only been here for 45 minutes, and my stomach already hurts from the thing I ate. Like, I don't understand what we're doing. So

Erica 1:07:15
crazy. No,

Scott Benner 1:07:16
no, it's a very, it's very, very, very, very upsetting.

Erica 1:07:19
That's why the idiots aren't coming over either? Oh, yeah, the

Scott Benner 1:07:21
Canadians, they don't want any part of this. Like, so, yeah, they'll just filet a polar bear and eat that they can cook them on the oil fields that they work on, from what I understand from the interviews that I've done. Like, that's all that's awesome. I still, I still don't believe when people tell me they're from a city in Canada. Like, there are no cities in Canada. People tell me Toronto looks exactly like New York City. Really. I don't believe it. How can they on top of all that ice? What are they doing? Yeah, I don't see how it's possible. All right? Erica, thank you very much for doing this. Yes, thank you for having me. It's my pleasure. Hold on one second. You. Today's episode of The Juicebox Podcast is sponsored by the contour next gen blood glucose meter. This is the meter that my daughter has on her person right now. It is incredibly accurate and waiting for you at contour next.com/juice box, I'd like to thank Dexcom for sponsoring this episode of The Juicebox Podcast, and at the same time, I want to remind you that seeing your blood glucose levels in real time, not only the number, but the speed in the direction, is going to help you in ways that you maybe can't imagine right now, You should definitely check it out at dexcom.com/juice box. You Juicebox.

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#1399 Glucagon Story: Different Sarah

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Scott Benner 0:00
Hello friends and welcome back to another episode of The Juicebox Podcast.

Sarah is here today to tell her glucagon stories, and she has more than one. This is only the sixth glucagon story episode, and somehow I have a repeat name, so that's why this one's called glucagon story different. Sarah, sorry, I didn't know what else to do. The other Sarah is at Episode 1029 please don't forget that nothing you hear on the Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice medical or otherwise, always consult a physician before making any changes to your health care plan or becoming bold with insulin. Don't forget to save 40% off of your entire order at cozy earth.com. All you have to do is use the offer code Juicebox at checkout. That's Juicebox at checkout to save 40% at cozy earth.com. I know that Facebook has a bad reputation, but please give the private Facebook group for the Juicebox Podcast, a healthy once over Juicebox Podcast type one diabetes. The group now has 47,000 members in it. It gets 150 new members a day. It is completely free, and at the very least, you can watch other people talk about diabetes. And everybody is welcome, type one, type two, gestational loved ones. Everyone is welcome. This episode of The Juicebox Podcast is sponsored by touched by type one. This is my favorite diabetes organization, and I'm just asking you to check them out at touch by type one.org, on Facebook and Instagram. The episode you're listening to is sponsored by us Med, usmed.com/juice, box, or call 888-721-1514, you can get your diabetes testing supplies the same way we do from us. Med,

Sarah 2:04
Hi, my name is Sarah. I'm 31 years old, and I believe I'm here to talk about glucagon today. Sarah,

Scott Benner 2:11
the last recording I did was with a 31 year old. Any chance you were diagnosed when you were 29 because then I don't

Sarah 2:16
have to erase this. No, no chance. I am sorry. How old were you? I was 14. I'll give you a minute to do the math. I

Scott Benner 2:24
don't really need a minute because, like, 10 more is 24 and then six gets you to 30. So it's 17 years ago. Good work, Scott. See we got Do you think other people like count like an idiot? Like I do. Yeah. It makes me feel better, actually. Okay, so tell me a bit about your diagnosis.

Sarah 2:44
Oh, man, how much time do you have? I was 14 freshman year of high school and running cross country, so probably the first time in my life where I was running that many miles that consistently, and I was losing weight. And, you know, being a 14 year old girl in the early 2000 you're like, cool, losing weight. But then I got super tired. I started drinking a lot of water, peeing every half an hour. It got to the point where I was drinking probably 1632 ounce n, l gene, bottles of water every single day. Wow. So it's crazy gallons. That's gallons of water. And I didn't think anything of it. You

Scott Benner 3:31
just thought, Wow, I'm running a lot, I'm losing weight, I'm doing all the right things. This is what my body needs.

Sarah 3:36
And it was a really hot September for up here, so I was like, Well, you know, dehydrated, drink a lot of water. It's fine,

Scott Benner 3:45
okay, all right, sick, wait a minute. 32 times 16. A second, 1218, 19, to carry the 1420,

my God, you think you

were drinking five over 500 ounces of water a day.

Sarah 4:03
It was like, four gallons daily. Wow,

Scott Benner 4:08
no one said anything. Your parents weren't like, hey, nothing

Sarah 4:12
got I have six siblings. Oh, okay,

Scott Benner 4:16
you weren't committing a crime. So they were okay with whatever was happening, and I'm in the middle of them. So you think they forgot about you years ago, years before that? Well, the

Sarah 4:25
thing is, I was kind of like the perfectionist child that really didn't need a whole lot of attention, and, you know, very easy to entertain myself, take care of myself, and they didn't worry about Sarah. So

Scott Benner 4:39
I'm gonna go down a weird road with you. Does that bother you? No, no, because I've heard from people who are like, look, I was like, the one that was good at math or I was good at homeworks, but nobody ever helped me with my homework. And there were times I sat there while other people were being helped and thought I'd like some attention from my family too, but that you didn't have that. Feeling,

Sarah 5:00
no, not really, okay. And, I mean, I feel like my parents in general were a little bit inept at parenting,

Scott Benner 5:08
okay, um, they were good at the other part.

Sarah 5:11
Oh, yeah, excellent at fairing.

Scott Benner 5:15
So you're, I'm looking at you today. You're fair skin. You seem to have a reddish hair. Are you Irish? I am 100% Finn Finn. Okay, all right. And six kids, was it like their job to make kids? Is that a religious thing?

Sarah 5:32
Well, we grew up apostolic Lutheran, which I don't know that they like, straight up, don't believe in birth control, but, like, they're very family oriented. Gotcha.

Scott Benner 5:43
So, you know, so make a lot of kids, why a family of seven is small? What do you I mean, if you don't want to talk about this, we can just keep going. But why would you say your parents weren't great at

Sarah 5:54
parenting? They're not good at communicating at all. And, you know, my dad worked swings, so eight hour shifts of days and then nights, and then afternoons and days and nights and afternoons and so he was just wrecked all the time. I gotcha. So he was a little, I would say, impaired, being able to very well communicate and orientate with his family. Being exhausted. Yeah, exhausted. Okay. And honestly, it seems like a lot of bins in general just aren't good at communication. And so if you don't want to get a little bit personal or have those deep, close conversations with anybody, you're not having them with your kids either. Gotcha?

Scott Benner 6:42
Are you? Do you have any children? Not yet? No, we're hoping you're thinking, you're you're working towards that. Okay, how was your communication?

Sarah 6:51
I made intentional efforts to work on it, and so I feel that I'm a very good communicator. And you know, my husband, I always said when I was younger that I would never marry a Finn, just because of the communication issues I saw growing up. And my husband's like 75% Finn as well. And fortunately, he's a good communicator too.

Scott Benner 7:14
You guys live in a logging community somewhere in the northeast, pretty close. Yeah, my goodness, okay. I used to hate ordering my daughter's diabetes supplies. I never had a good experience, and it was frustrating. But it hasn't been that way for a while, actually, for about three years now, because that's how long we've been using us Med, US med.com/juice, box, or call, 888721151, 887211514, us. Med is the number one distributor for FreeStyle Libre systems nationwide. They are the number one specialty distributor for Omnipod, the number one fastest growing tandem distributor nationwide, the number one rated distributor in Dexcom customer satisfaction surveys, they have served over 1 million people with diabetes since 1996 and they always provide 90 days worth of supplies and fast and free shipping us med carries everything from insulin pumps and diabetes testing supplies to the latest CGM like The libre three and Dexcom g7 they accept Medicare nationwide, and over 800 private insurers find out why us med has an A plus rating with a better business bureau at US med.com/juice, box, or just call them at 888-721-1514, get started right now, and you'll be getting your supplies the same way we do. 14 years old, six siblings, dads working. Your mom's got six kids. Was she involved at all? Or was it just like, Sarah do the thing and you did it?

Sarah 8:55
Yes and no. So we all kind of did our own thing. We didn't have a lot of oversight from our parents, like when we tell stories to our parents about things we did as we were kids, they had no idea, right? And, you know, they tried, certainly, but trying to keep up with seven children, and, you know, pay attention closely to each of them, and if one's a little more of a troublemaker than the other ones, then they're more likely to be the focus, which for me was fine around

Scott Benner 9:27
diabetes specifically, though, did your mom like? Well, what was your care like? I guess. What do you remember having to do when you were first diagnosed? When

Sarah 9:35
I was initially diagnosed, I was hospitalized for five days, and then they put me on Atlantis and Humalog, and probably started with a sliding scale, but then they pretty quickly connected me with a traveling endocrinologist, because we don't have endocrinology where we. Live. Okay? So a guy from eight hours away would come up here every three months and check in with the kids and say, Okay, we'll change this. We'll change this, and send you on your way. Yeah, so it was human log in Lantis, MDI for a good year. And you know, that went okay, but I really didn't have very good guidance or teaching, so we didn't really know what we were doing. And my parents, you know, their extent was, what's your blood sugar? Take your insulin, right? That was it. But, yeah, not super involved. And I've actually found out in retrospect, in the recent years how freaked out they were about it, because things weren't working well for me, I'd be high, I'd be low, I'd be high, I'd be low, and like, now I know why, yeah, back then, now, but my parents, yeah, they were just freaked out. I actually work as a diabetes educator now, and I had a patient telling me who used to work with my dad. He's like, Oh, you're the daughter with diabetes. He was telling me about you, and he thought you were gonna die, really, yeah, wait,

Scott Benner 11:16
16 years ago, like in 2000 and wait, when was like 2000 8007, yeah, okay. Your dad thought you were, you were a goner. The

Sarah 11:30
reason I'm here to talk about glucagon is I have a few stories. Oh,

Scott Benner 11:33
okay, all right, but, but his idea of this was that it was unmanageable and would shorten your life.

Sarah 11:41
Well, my endocrinologist told my parents that I was a brittle diabetic, and that's just the way it's gonna be.

Scott Benner 11:47
Ah, got it? My

Sarah 11:50
mom, she got so stressed about it she saw this book for on a magazine cover or something, the diabetes detour diet, obviously aimed towards type two diabetes, but she's like, maybe it'll help. Maybe it'll help. Let's do this. And so we did the diabetes detour diet didn't help at all, I would imagine.

Scott Benner 12:11
I mean,

Sarah 12:12
she lost like 30 pounds. It was fantastic. It was

Scott Benner 12:15
for it. Hey, Sarah is still gonna die, but I'm gonna look great at the funeral, like, I feel good. Okay,

Sarah 12:22
so, yeah, I was just in rough shape. And honestly, through my teenage years, I myself, did not expect to see 30. No kidding, because they face, they

Scott Benner 12:32
mimicked it back to you, or because you were getting low so often, you just thought, I'm not. One of these is going to get me.

Sarah 12:37
Yeah, I figured, you know, with the severe highs and the severe lows and close calls, I figured I'm not gonna make it. And honestly, because of how horrible I felt, I was okay with that, because I didn't want to live past 30 feeling the way that I did, like crap

Scott Benner 12:54
all the time. Do you know, like, my rough math just now told me that, like, 1% of the finished population has type one diabetes. Like, that's a big number. Like, how would you not know more about it? You know what I mean? Also, I have to say the podcast is shockingly not listened to in that part of the world, which freaks me out, because they're English speaking, and you would think they'd be able to, like, listen and it's, I mean, of all the countries that it's listened in, some of those kind of, I guess Nordic countries that, like, are like, have high populations of type ones. They don't seem to listen to the podcast there as much. I'm fascinated by that, too. Yeah, has been for a while. Okay, all right, so your mom's not that involved. Everyone just thinks, like, Sarah's like, a ticking time bomb. You start thinking that you don't feel good to begin with. When's the first time you have a seizure?

Sarah 13:47
Probably when I was 15, maybe a year and a half after diagnosis. How

Scott Benner 13:52
many do you think you've had over the years?

Sarah 13:55
At least eight, at least eight, and probably more that I'm not aware of. Like while you

Scott Benner 14:01
were sleeping, you think, yeah, okay. And how about low blood sugars, where you needed help? But, oh, countless, countless, dozens more more. No kidding, you were bouncing constantly. Okay? So No, CGM, obviously, no. When? When did you get one eventually?

Sarah 14:23
So a year after I was diagnosed, my endocrinology office told me, Hey, you can go on a pump now. And they gave me the different pump options. They showed me what I think was probably an animus pump, the Medtronic pump, probably a mini med back then, and the Omnipod. And because I was a swimmer at the time, I'm like, Oh, I either want this pump that's, you know, big and clunky but it's waterproof, or I want that Omnipod. And in hindsight, I think my endocrinology. This must have been contracted with Medtronic, because they told me, Oh yeah. I mean, you might not like them as much, and your insurance probably won't cover it. Either of those. They'll probably cover the Medtronic, though. And for where we live, we have, I had, the best insurance you could get. So, like, I know they would have covered that omnipot, and I really wanted it, but they hardcore pushed me to a Medtronic pump. And then eventually it got, like, that really old, just terrible sensor that connected with it, yeah, and was a horrible experience, but I got on that pump. I'm

Scott Benner 15:40
just gonna say this is crazy, but you, you grew up somewhere around Minnesota, right? Yeah, close, yeah, because that's where, that's the area that Medtronic is. The major part of the company is located there. And I've you just always see that people in that part of the world, part of the country, seem to get told Medtronic, Medtronic, Medtronic, a lot in old stories. It's really interesting. I want to say it Medtronic is currently an advertiser on the podcast for their Medtronic community. It is what it is. They probably had great sales people. You know what? I mean. I'm sure they did. Yeah. So, wow. Okay, so you get put on a pump. I got put

Sarah 16:18
on this pump. Yeah, that is not waterproof, and so me, being a swimmer, I swam multiple hours every day after school, and I, of course, had to take my pump off, and I didn't have anything about having to take a little bit of insulin here and there during practice. So every day after practice, blood sugar over 400 right, every single day, correct? Brings it probably way too far down overnight. And then, you know, waking up in the middle of the night treat the low sweating like the whole thing, right? Just a constant roller coaster. So then what I suspect happened the first time I had a seizure was maybe after like, a swim meet, which is longer than typical swimming practice, and my blood sugar is probably extremely high from being disconnected from my insulin pump, also the adrenaline, the cortisol going on while you're swimming and competing, and so being extremely high after practice, And you know, or after this meet, take my insulin to correct, take my insulin for whatever food I was having, and I probably didn't need most of that correction insulin. So then, in the middle of the night, I'm sleeping, and because I have six siblings, we shared a room, and my sister probably, luckily, she had the bunk beneath me, so we had bunk beds, and she said she could hear me just kind of like, thrashing around, making kind of weird noises, and then, like, really, just flipping out. So she she's like, Sarah, Sarah, and she looks up at me, and I'm convulsing. I'm foaming blood out of my mouth. You bite your tongue, maybe, yeah, get my tongue, get my cheek. So between the foaming spit the blood, it just looks traumatizing for my poor little sister. She screeches, run on, runs out of the room to get my mom. And of course, my dad's on midnight shift this night. He's

Scott Benner 18:24
not home. Your sister's yelling about the Lutheran devil is in her room.

Sarah 18:30
And so she goes to get my mom. My mom comes running in. She flips out. She doesn't handle stress well in general, and it's just chaos. And you know, another sister shows up, probably some of my brothers too. I think it's my older sister who figured out how to give me my glucagon, okay, and then, you know, call EMS, and they hauled me off to the emergency room to get me stabilized. And that was that you're about 15, I went to school

Scott Benner 19:00
the next day. Yeah? And that glucagon would have been the red box, right? Yes, yeah, you have the red Lily kit. Yeah. So, okay, so they somebody, did your sister give you the shot? Because the big, it was a big needle on that glucagon thing. It is gnarly, yeah? So your mom not helpful. You're dead. If it's just you and your mom in that situation, she calls 911, if you make it to the ambulance, that God bless but she ain't gonna be able to

Sarah 19:25
help you. Wow, there was another time. Okay, go ahead. There's been a few times. So that happened at least twice while I was in high school, probably from the swimming situation. Okay? Years later, years later, I had gone to school for engineering, I moved out to Washington, and I kind of wandered around for a while, and then eventually I'm like, You know what? I kind of want to go home, repair my relationship with my parents, spend time with them. And so I was living at home, and I think two of my brothers were also living at home, two. Two. I was in this phase where I would work out at night and similar sort of thing. The stress, the cortisol, doing heavy weight lifting, adrenaline, blood sugar gets super high. And I was trying to figure, I was trying to figure out diabetes at this point in time, yeah, thinking, you know, I think I'm going to make it to 30. I might as well. As well figure it out. So

Scott Benner 20:23
how about how old are you at that point?

Sarah 20:27
Oh, gosh, let's see this would have been. I'm gonna go home and talk to my 17, 2017,

Scott Benner 20:34
Oh, Jesus, not long ago, really. No, not that long ago. Okay, so you're like, in your mid 20s, mid 20s, and you've now had diabetes for a decade or more, and you're starting to think maybe I should figure out how this works. Yeah, okay, all right, I got it,

Sarah 20:51
yeah. So late night workout. Do my thing. Blood sugar's high. No surprise. Take some correction insulin. Have a shower, go to bed, didn't think anything of it. My bedroom and my brother's bedroom were right next to each other, and our beds were against the shared wall, right? He said that he was laying in bed, and two o'clock in the morning he's just getting super frustrated because he cannot sleep, and then he hears this death moan from my bedroom. Just well, what it is is when you start a seizure, your diaphragm contracts and all the air from your lungs is pushed out, and you let out this, yeah, so he hears that, and it freaked him out enough that he came running into my room, except I sleep naked until I had my door locked. And so he's trying to get into the room. He finds the key to unlock it, and he walks in, and he sees me just completely naked, seizing all over the bed, freaking out, but he's a little bit more level minded, and so he his first thought is, turn her on her side. Okay, so he comes to turn me on my side, and I start fighting him, right? And my eyes are open, and he said, the look in my eyes was just terror, and he couldn't tell, like, if I was with it, or if I was, like, trying to tell him something, but couldn't speak. But I'm just fighting him. He runs and gets my mom, and again, my dad is working midnight. Yeah, sure, of course, not there to help. Why not? So he runs and get my gets my mom, and they didn't know where my glucagon kit was, and honestly, it was probably expired. Anyways, still would work, but

Scott Benner 22:38
yeah, so

Sarah 22:40
what they decided to do was they got corn syrup and poured it in my mouth. Oh, and then called EMS, and they're like, we'll let them do the glucagon if they have it. So I kind of come out of that the

Scott Benner 22:59
corn syrup got you What's that? The corn syrup brought you out of it. I don't

Sarah 23:04
know if EMS showed up and gave me glucam automatically, or if they let the corn syrup

Scott Benner 23:10
because we don't want you choking to death before the seizure can kill you, right? But, but I get their I get their thought, like, what are we gonna do? Right? Like, we need to do something. Okay, all right, go ahead. I'm sorry.

Sarah 23:22
So I kind of come to and first thing I notice is there's a towel over my shoulder. I'm sitting in my bed naked with a wet towel on my shoulder, and I am sticky. Yeah, I'm like, What the heck? And I see strangers in my room, my older brother, my little brother, my mom, standing around, what? And I tried to speak, and I could not speak. And my first thought was, oh, my gosh, I had a seizure, and now I have brain damage.

Scott Benner 23:56
Oh, you had that thought. I was

Sarah 23:59
terrified, and it's, yeah, that post ictal phase, you're cloudy, yeah. I immediately thought, I must have brain damage. I can't speak. But then I realized my tongue, my cheeks, were just ground meat by that point, right? Wow, they're telling me what's what happened, and I like motion for a sticky note and a pen, and I write down my blood sugar was over 400 before bed, and that was the last thing I had remembered. And they're like, Well, yeah, that makes sense. And they gave me the option of going to the ER or not. I'm like, why? At this point, this

Scott Benner 24:42
is old hat. Now I'm good. Why don't I just take a shower instead? Since, yeah, two weeks

Sarah 24:47
afterwards, though, I that post Ital phase lasted and I was just cloudy. Couldn't concentrate. I genuinely thought I had brain damage for a good two weeks after. Words, okay, did

Scott Benner 25:00
you tell anybody? Oh, yeah, yeah. You're like, I definitely have brain damage. So when you look back at it now, are these all avoidable? Like, if you knew how to use insulin better, yeah, yeah, absolutely, they just probably don't happen, right?

Sarah 25:17
Yeah? Like, looking back at all of the episodes that I've had, I can understand why they've all happened, except for one, okay, there's one time where I'm just like, don't know where that came from, don't know why. Seems

Scott Benner 25:33
crazy that that one happened. Yeah, okay. You carry glucagon now. Oh, yeah, yeah. You do Which one do you carry? The nasal or the Chivo.

Sarah 25:41
My insurance company covers Dexcom. Me the nasal, so you have

Scott Benner 25:45
the nasal, the powder, okay, yeah, everyone knows how to use it. In your life. You're married, right? I am married. Does the boy know how to use it? Oh, he knows how to use it, yeah, okay. Has he ever had to Oh, yeah. Okay. So how long have you been married? We've been married five years. Okay, you've had a seizure in the last five years. When's the last one you had? Though,

Sarah 26:06
I've had a seizure in the last two weeks have you really? Yeah,

Scott Benner 26:10
tell me how the one that happened two weeks ago happened. So

Sarah 26:14
this was actually Easter Sunday, okay? And I use, well, I was using IPS at that point, and my build had just expired, so I had to build the new one, and I messed up the build, so it actually ended up being the one that we're not supposed to be using the 3.4 point zero instead of the 2.33 right? So I don't know if you, if you're aware of what's going on with the Iaps. I know

Scott Benner 26:44
a little bit, yeah, I know a little bit with drama going

Sarah 26:47
on there. Yeah. So I built the 3.4 point, oh, which is buggy, and crashes a lot. And so it was that day, I believe it was that I started using it and like, Well, we'll see how it goes for this pod, and I'll probably switch over to loop until I'm able to build the 2.33 but instead,

Scott Benner 27:12
but so this one was at least not you Right? Like, well,

Sarah 27:16
it wasn't, it wasn't. If I paid a little bit more closer attention, I would have realized that going to bed, you know how when you're having a blood sugar rise with IPS, it's aggressive, and then it backs off. So I've had some really noisy dexcoms lately, and so it'll be like 80 190

Scott Benner 27:40
110 100 so you got a bad reading. It Bolus, and then the reading went back again.

Sarah 27:46
Well, I got a bad reading of 131 with a straight arrow up as I'm going to bed. And so I just clicked on the little Bolus button to see what it was recommending. And it was recommending 3.5 units, which for me is a ton. I'm like, I'm not gonna do that. I'll do like, 1.7 not realizing that, while I'm deciding about this, it initiated its own micro Bolus of point eight, and

Scott Benner 28:10
then you gave it 1.7 and

Sarah 28:12
then I gave 1.7 and not even an hour later, I had a seizure. Unfortunately, my husband was home, which he's not always, because He works nights. Okay, like we knew right away that my blood sugar was starting to drop. I'm like, Ah, cute. It over Bolus. So I drank a juice box, ate a roll of Smarties, and I'm like, that should cover it. And I just laid down and went to sleep, and then all of a sudden, my next awareness is, I'm holding my phone and like trying to do something on it, but I can't figure out what I'm trying to do, and it's not working whatever I'm trying to do. So I just lay my phone down and my husband's looking at me like, What are you doing now? And I'm like, I'm fidgeting with something, and I feel like I might do something that I'm not supposed to because I'm not completely aware right now, so I'm just not going to do anything. He goes, okay, yeah, well, you had a seizure.

Scott Benner 29:21
He's like, I know you're just getting back in the game, but here's what's been going on here while you were gone, right? Oh, wow. He took a video

Sarah 29:27
for me this time at least, so I could see, like, what was going on, right? And he said, as he was giving me another juice box, I had the seizure. And he's like, Well, let's see what the juice box does, maybe that'll be it. And you know, I'm starting to come back up again, and then half an hour later, I start crashing again, and it's another juice box. And now you start coming back up, and then I'm crashing again. And at this point, you know, my iob, according to Iaps, was. Was negative. And he's like, Why do you keep crashing? You shouldn't be continuing to crash if you don't have any insulin on board. We can't figure out why, but I was so nauseous and just sick feeling. I'm like, I cannot drink any more juice. And he's like, you have to you keep dropping. And I'm like, why don't you just give me some Dexcom me.

Scott Benner 30:21
And then we went for that, and that helped. Yeah, we

Sarah 30:25
had a conversation about, he's like, Are you sure you really want this? I'm like, I'm pretty sure if I drink more juice, I'm gonna throw up, and then we're gonna I ended up throwing up anyways, yeah? So I'm like, yeah, just give me the back semi and juice

Scott Benner 30:38
sick is a real thing that overly sweet, like stomach that it could give you, it's not good, yeah. How come you didn't just eat something at some point?

Sarah 30:47
I don't think I was aware enough to think of that. How about him?

Scott Benner 30:50
Where was he with? Here's a piece of bread like nothing. We don't even keep bread in the house. Would you like a cracker? Look like nothing, like that. So you've just been at this for so long, you did the things you thought were gonna work, and they just didn't work that time, like with the first the juice box of Smarties, that kind of a thing like, that'll be okay, and it just wasn't. But is it reasonable for two units of insulin to make you that low when

Sarah 31:16
I was on ozempic? Yes, okay. I have since stopped ozempic. And honestly, just like the month and a half has been a struggle out of kind of nowhere. I think we were all sick. We probably had the flu, we probably had COVID, so I wasn't as active as I normally am. So in general, I'm pretty doggone in sensitive to insulin. But just this last month and a half, it's been a struggle to have a consistent insulin sensitivity. I guess.

Scott Benner 31:47
What did someone give you ozempic for? Because you sound like you're not in you sound insulin sensitive already. I

Sarah 31:54
am okay, and I'm very fit. I'm healthy, yeah, PC, OS, no, no. I approached my provider and said, Look, I am starving constantly. I can't stop thinking about eating. I eat a full meal, and half an hour later I'm looking for something else, yeah, and this is maddening. And I told her, Look, it's because I don't make Amylin. So, yeah, I could take an Amylin replacement. I could take sim line, but that's a three times a day injection at least. Or I could take a once a week injection of ozempic and have the exact same effect. How much were you injecting? I was at one milligram when I stopped. Did you need

Scott Benner 32:37
it? Could you have not gotten away with less? I probably

Sarah 32:39
could have, but I liked how I felt at one milligram. Okay, so

Scott Benner 32:43
you had found, but So why'd you stop taking it then? Because we want to have babies soon. Oh, they're doing, listen, I am certainly not a researcher. I want to say that up front, but they're starting to do studies on pregnant women on glps, and I think they're going well. So

Sarah 33:00
yeah, I really want to see the research on of course, I really miss the ozempic. But you know, reading the insert is specifically says, If you're planning on getting pregnant, yeah, stop this medication at least once in advance. I

Scott Benner 33:13
think what the insert says is, we haven't tested on pregnant people yet, so, yeah, yeah, which is a shame, but yeah, but hopefully they'll get to it. They are. I don't know who they is, but I've seen some GLP studies with pregnancy happening and they they're going positively. I feel the best I've ever felt my life. And I'm using zepbound. I just got my blood work back today. My blood work is fantastic. You guys know, if you listen like I'm always have forever having to get, like, iron infusions a couple times a year, because my ferritin crashes. My Fert is 180 I haven't had an iron infusion over a year, yeah, just from, like, my digestion, working, like properly, actually absorbing the nutrients that I'm taking in, right? What about the GLP made you feel good? Do you think because you're not taking it for weight. You're insulin sensitive already. This was just about hunger for you. So,

Sarah 34:04
yeah, it was maddening to just constant hunger, constant food noise in my mind. When can I eat? What am I going to eat? And so taking that away gave me so much more mental space. Honestly,

Scott Benner 34:18
did it happen for you? The way my wife describes it. She says she would open her eyes in the morning, and the first thing she would think is, I wonder what I'm gonna have for breakfast. And then she would think about it, and she's like and by the time I finished breakfast, I started wondering about what I was gonna have for lunch, and she's like, that all went away on a GLP, I guess

Sarah 34:36
I wouldn't say that I was instantly thinking about food right when I would wake up. But when I was a kid, my dad called me a bottomless pit. I could eat and eat and eat and I would eat just about anybody, and always have room for more. This

Scott Benner 34:54
is since, since your diagnosis, not prior to it, right? Yeah, I know that people don't. I. Understand that a lot of type ones have that insatiable feeling, and I know people just think it's, I don't even think they think twice about it, that it could possibly be connected to diabetes. But turns out it is. Well, knock this baby out, and then we'll get back on ozone book. How come your insurance is covering that?

Sarah 35:19
So I've had really, really good insurances, right? And I specifically became a nurse so that I would continue to have really good insurance after I got off my dad's

Scott Benner 35:31
insurance. You thought about that a lot when you were younger. Oh yeah, for the very first time last week, Arden talked to us about it. So in one of her college classes, they're talking about, like, health health care. And she called, like, not in a panic, but she was like, Hey, I have to get a job with good health care because I'm going to get kicked off your insurance when I'm 26 and like, she's going on and on, and I'm like, first of all, we've already told this to her, like, I don't know why she wasn't paying attention the first time, she took it super seriously all of a sudden. And she's like, this stuff's expensive that I use. And I'm like, Yeah, I know I'm paying for it. Like, I know people probably think, like, I get everything for free, but that's not how that works. I don't get any of this. Like, our insurance pays for all of our supplies. And, you know, the companies actually can't give me, it's not legal for them to give me that stuff, and so it's not available. It's never been offered, like I we pay for everything. But she suddenly was, like, thinking about it. So it's interesting that you thought about it too. You became a nurse, partly so that you'd have good health care,

Sarah 36:34
I would say mostly so I would have good health care. Wow, that's interesting. When I was a teenager, I didn't really know what I wanted to do, and I am a really good massage therapist, okay, that's what I'm passionate about. I love doing it, but you don't get insurance doing that. So I went to school for biomedical engineering out of high school, okay, but I hated the whole sitting behind a computer, not interacting with humans, sort of thing. So I'm like, you know, I'm just gonna massage and milk out this time that I'm on my dad's insurance until I'm 26 and then I realized Cobra would allow me to keep it for another three years. So I paid an exorbitant amount of money for three years to keep my dad's insurance benefits and get that really good coverage. It's

Scott Benner 37:25
a lot. It's a hey, do you side hustle massage now? Do you nurse? Yeah, gonna say that's what I would do. Did people come to you or do you go to them?

Sarah 37:35
Depends on the situation. Okay, interesting. It's a

Scott Benner 37:38
cost to get a nice rub down for an hour.

Sarah 37:42
Depends on where you are, okay, and it's certainly changed in the last few years. I worked for a chiropractor for good five years, and because it was usually covered by insurance plans, they could only charge like $1 a minute, which is what the insurance Yeah, that's pretty cheap now compared to what people are wanting when I massaged, when I lived out in Seattle, it was like 90 to $100 an hour, if, depending on where you're working. I worked in a hotel spa that charged, I think, it was 165 an for a 50 minute massage, which I thought was insane. It's

Scott Benner 38:25
interesting. But prior to me losing weight, I was one of those people. I would watch a YouTube video of like, a chiropractor, and I would have like, actual, like, daydreams about going there and having that done for me, like I'd be I used to say I just wish a car could just drive over me, flat me out, and then I could come back to life like a Bugs Bunny cartoon. I think that's what I need, and I don't think about it anymore. Now that I've lost weight,

Sarah 38:50
it's interesting nation probably, well, yeah,

Scott Benner 38:53
I think so. I just I'm not creaky and achy and everything like I used to be. I don't crack my neck anymore. I do still, if I work too much, I do still lean, like, lean over a counter and stretch my back kind of that way. But it's not the way it used to be, like, I used to be all beat up. I felt all beat up all the time. I've had, like, conscious thoughts where I'm like, I'm gonna drive to South Carolina where that guy puts that thing around your neck and yanks your head up. I definitely feel like I need that. Meanwhile, I don't think that's a good idea at all, probably, but nevertheless, scariest seizure you ever had. And why was it scary? Which one pops in your head? Were they amalgam? Probably the scariest

Sarah 39:32
one I had was again, living at my parents, and at that point, I was living in the attic, okay, because more people were living at their house at that point in time, and the attic was the only place that was open. So I made myself a little room up there. And this was really like at the start of when I consciously decided i. Going to start to figure this out. And so it just involved a lot of experimenting, which very often didn't go well. But so what happened is, I think in the middle, in the early, early morning hours, my Omnipod emptied out, and I was not with it enough to address that. So I'm like, Well, okay, I'll just, uh, take a small injection of insulin until I get up and address this. Okay, that small injection of insulin, I don't think was actually that small of an injection of insulin. And so I I you know, go to sleep, and then I wake up, and I'm just delirious and soaking wet, and my body's trembling. I feel like I'm gonna throw up, and I know that I'm three floors away from everybody else, right in the attic, yeah, and so everything inside of me, I'm just willing myself get out of bed, get downstairs, get help, and I'm just very gingerly but weekly, because after you have a seizure, your muscles take a little bit of time to figure out how to function again. It's like your legs will give out from under you. So I'm like holding on to the handrails as I'm trying to go down the stairs, and I'm looking down at this very narrow stairway. It's steep, and I'm looking at my legs and my feet, and I see them, and they look mangled to me. It looks like my legs are on backwards as I'm going down the stairs, and it's just a disturbing image in my mind of my body is messed up, which obviously my legs were on straight.

Scott Benner 41:48
Oh, they weren't backwards. No, I'm just kidding, shockingly, but I was hoping that was your interpretation of it. Yeah, yeah,

Sarah 41:55
I'm hallucinating as I'm trying to get downstairs. And so I go down these stairs, I get to the second floor, and then it's a long hallway to the other end where the next set of stairs are, and I'm just hanging on to the walls as I'm working my way down the hallway. And I get to the top of the next set of stairs, and I sit down, and I just start sliding myself down those stairs. And then when I get halfway down the stairs, I'm just help, help. Just weak voice. Don't really have much in me, and I'm just trying to call out for help. And I know my I can hear that my parents are in the kitchen on the bottom floor on the other side of the house, and I'm just calling out. And eventually my dad heard me, and he comes in to see me, and he's like, what's going on? What's going on? I'm like, I need sugar. I need sugar. I need sugar. I think I had a seizure. And he basically carries me into the kitchen, and my mom starts freaking out, what do you need? And you're naked,

Scott Benner 42:55
by the way, right? Not at this Oh, look at you, because I remember how I had clothes. Okay? Because I'm like, you sleep, by the way, the worst part when you said I woke up soaking wet, I was like, Ooh, naked. Suck to the sheets. That's what I actually thought like. But so you okay? So your your mom freaks out, your dad helps you,

Sarah 43:12
and they give me some orange juice and and set me down at the table and just give me a little bit of time, and they're asking me questions. And I'm like, I don't know. I don't know. I can't have a conversation right now. I don't know what's going on. Do

Scott Benner 43:26
you ever have the feeling Arden described to me that it felt like she was jumping, and when she clarified it, what she meant was there was another person in the room. When this happened, and when she could see them, they were 20 feet away, and then the next time she was conscious, they were 10 feet away. And then the next time she was conscious, they were in front of her. And she described it as feeling like she was jumping through time. But really she was like, seeing, not seeing, seeing, not seeing. Has that happened to you? Yeah, yeah. Is that is that strikingly like frightening or,

Sarah 44:01
Oh, definitely the first few times it happens. But I'm unusually able to be objective about what's going on with my body. And like, if get your way through freaking out, I'm focused, right? So, like, emotion gets brushed aside. I just focus on what's the problem? Let's fix it. Almost

Scott Benner 44:24
feel like you're trapped in a, in a, in a body that can't move talk, but you feel like you know everything is happening around you. Do have that, that experience? Yeah, yeah. That's how Arden described it, too. Okay, so now I have to, like it's an incumbent upon me to ask you this, you're a nurse. What kind of NURSE Are you?

Sarah 44:47
I am an RN, and I did a very brief stint on the cardiac unit, and then, by a weird chain of events, I was approached by a. Diabetes educator who wanted to retire, and she said, Please take my job so I can retire.

Scott Benner 45:06
So you're a CD CES. Now

Sarah 45:08
I'm not eligible to test for my CD ces until the fall, because you have to be licensed and working hours.

Scott Benner 45:16
Okay, so you're that close to that. So I'm going to ask you a question. I don't mean this harshly. Why can't you figure this out?

Sarah 45:23
Well, Scott, I do feel like I have figured it okay. I just have a lot of crap situation.

Scott Benner 45:30
But you know that, like, I'm just the mouthpiece for the people listening. Everyone's wondering, like everyone's listening and going, I don't get it, like she said at the beginning. She's like, you know, like, because I'm worried that what they're thinking is, oh, Sarah, can't figure it out. How the hell am I supposed to figure it out? Because you're not, listen, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna make a statement. I'm gonna ask you a question. Do you think you're a brittle diabetic? No, there's

Sarah 45:52
no such thing as a brittle diabetic. It just means you don't know what the heck you're doing, right? And that

Scott Benner 45:56
was gonna be my next question. Do we even think that's a real thing? You're pretty sensitive to the insulin. What's your insulin

Sarah 46:02
sensitivity in your pump right now, it's at 105

Scott Benner 46:06
that's pretty. That's pretty. Are you stature wise? How tall are you by five? By five you and you said you're fit. So five, five would be like 135 pounds.

Sarah 46:19
I'm at 150 but I'm very muscular. Okay, all

Scott Benner 46:22
right, so then you're a muscular 551, 50. Your sensitivity is, you're right, that's 105 is crazy. So what's your insulin to carb ratio? One to 20?

Sarah 46:33
Like one to 22 and of course, it changes based on time of the month, right?

Scott Benner 46:39
And your basal is what like point four an hour.

Sarah 46:44
When I was on ozempic, it was point four to point five. Okay, and now it's more. I think I've got it up to like point 6.7 Yeah.

Scott Benner 46:53
So what is it? Do you do you pre bullish your meals? I do okay. And what's the spike for you when you eat? How much? What's the number where you're like, Oh, I spiked

Sarah 47:07
while I was on ozempic and doing my usual, usual care. A spike, I would be upset being above 140 okay? You know, waking up in the 70s and 80s, very typical for me, right? Very minimal variation. Very comfortable in the 60s. Very rarely would I be hit in two hundreds, except for this last month and a half being sick and who knows what going on. But it seems like in the last couple of days, it settled down quite a bit. So

Scott Benner 47:38
on ozempic, was your A, 1c, like, like, 5657,

Sarah 47:44
no. Typical was less than 5.5 5.5

Scott Benner 47:46
okay, all right, how long did you do ozempic for three years? How many seizures did you have in those three years?

Sarah 47:54
One, okay, hey,

Scott Benner 47:58
do you want to know why Scott do but that's great, but why?

Sarah 48:02
So it was my first day working as a brand new nurse on the cardiac unit. And, you know, 12 hour shifts, you know, going through the orientation, all the new stuff, which, sure, it's stressful. And I was looping at that point, my blood sugar is just creeping up, creeping up all day long. I'm like, it's, it's the stress, it's the cortisol, adrenaline, yeah. So I set an override, and I want to say it was probably like a 50% override, and once I set that, the remainder of the day, blood sugar, beautiful. Back down below 100 nice and steady, minimal variation. I'm like, Okay, fine. So I went home from work, and I am fried.

Scott Benner 48:49
Long day, lot happened. Long

Sarah 48:51
day we had a dead body. I'm just like, I want to go to bed because I have to work again tomorrow morning, right? I got home, my husband had made dinner for me, you know, just wants to get the pre run down. How did everything go? And then so I ate and took my insulin like had my shower, go to bed. I forgot to cancel the override. Oh, and I am far more sensitive to insulin when I sleep. Yeah,

Scott Benner 49:21
how much was the override 50% Oh, you were getting one and a half times the insulin you needed. And then you and you were exhausted and you fell asleep, yeah,

Sarah 49:29
I was just crashed, yeah, way too much insulin. And so probably

Scott Benner 49:37
was the override arm when you Bolus, yeah, oh, so not just your basal and your Yeah,

Sarah 49:43
also that Bolus. And it's all within a short amount of time that I did that and then go to sleep. Yeah. Fortunately, my husband was home. He again, works nights, and so he was going to be up for a while, and he's out in the other room, and he hears the. Death moan, right? And comes running in and finds me seizing, and straight away gives me, I don't think it was back semi then it must have been that the lily box, the lily kit, yeah, so he gives that to me, and it's taken a really long time for me to come out of it. And so he found another one and gave that to me, which that one definitely was expired, but whatever. Yeah, he calls EMS, and he actually is a registered nurse at the local emergency department, so he's got a pretty good relationship with the EMS workers. And so they come in and they're they're just watching me, seeing how things are going. And they said it was probably an hour of me sitting there in bed, and just like not with it at all, they're staring at me, trying to assess my mental faculties. What year is it? And I'm like, it's 2016 who's the President Trump,

Scott Benner 51:01
Milford Fillmore,

Sarah 51:05
they asked me, Do you know where you are? I'm like, Oh yeah, I'm at the hospital in Marquette, and obviously I'm not my husband asked me, Do you know who I am? I'm like, You're my nurse. And he goes, No, Sarah, I'm your husband. And I just go, No way.

Scott Benner 51:23
I got married to a boy and he's hot. I did it. I told you, you start talking to voices. I told you we'd get a guy. My god, that's crazy. That went on for an hour,

Sarah 51:37
yeah. So after about an hour of just me not coming around, they're like, yeah, maybe you should bring her in, right? And you know, being EMS workers that my husband knows, they're like, you're probably fine to just driver, we'll save you on the ambulance bill, right? And he gets me in the car, and he keeps, he keeps telling me, you had a seizure. We're going to the ER, I gave you glucagon. You're okay. We're just going to get you checked out. I'm like, Yeah, okay. And he keeps telling me I'm your husband. I'm like, You're my husband. Okay, you're my husband. Yeah, you're my husband.

Scott Benner 52:17
You didn't know somebody was related to you and you were being told you were wouldn't you be scared or, or, you know what I mean, or I guess you don't. You're not. You don't have the wherewithal to be scared.

Sarah 52:28
I'm pretty docile. Honestly, pretty docile.

Scott Benner 52:32
You could kidnap me, easy, Scott. I just want to say, I'll go along. Oh, you're my mom's friend. Sure. Let's go. But

Sarah 52:41
if you give me problems, we're gonna fight, yeah,

Scott Benner 52:43
but I will smack the out of you if you come for me with that glucose, that's for sure. Oh, my God. Seriously

Sarah 52:49
though he got me to the ER, and they put me in a bed, and he's telling his co workers what happened and what he's wanting, yeah. And so they hook me up to dextrose, and they get a sandwich. And of course, the plan is, pump me full of dextrose, get that blood sugar up. Even though at that point, my blood sugar already was up, my brain just wasn't catching up to it. Yeah, and he tells the nurse who's assigned to me, he goes, she's not gonna like it if you start pumping that dextrose in her, she's probably going to get mad, actually,

Scott Benner 53:24
because her blood sugar doesn't look like it needs it. So yeah, and

Sarah 53:28
yeah, dextrose would be unnecessary.

Scott Benner 53:31
Sarah, have you ever seen a I don't know what the word is I'm looking for. Why can I come up with the word I want? Have you ever had your brain scan to make sure you're okay after all these seizures. No, no. Do you think about that ever?

Sarah 53:45
No, because I can still do calculus pretty comfortably. Because,

Scott Benner 53:48
you know what a quadrilogical Something triangle is like? I don't know it obviously I think

Speaker 1 53:54
critical thinking skills. I'm still very logical. I can think through problems, and, you know, I don't feel like I have any

Scott Benner 54:02
actual deficit, but the light hearted conversation aside that we're having, I you don't want to be having these seizures, obviously, so and one in three years after having so many to the algorithm. You think is, had you not, I didn't mean to say screwed up, but had you not screwed it up? Yeah, had you not screwed up the override? You wouldn't have had one except for this weird one you had recently that you can't figure out what happened, right? The more recent one, oh, no. The more recent one was when you put on the wrong DIY app.

Speaker 1 54:34
Yeah, yeah, yeah. The one that I can't figure out happened was actually a year after the year after, I don't know. You

Scott Benner 54:44
can't say you don't know right after you said, cognitively, I'm okay. There's so many. Scott, no, I know you're just trying to keep them all straight as all. What would you say to people about, like, being safe? Like, you know, like, obviously you're. A different story, and most people are not going to have nearly as many as you did. But I mean, is it? Just have glucagon on hand. Make sure people know how to use it. Try not to be alone. Like, what do you do if you're alone? You know what? I mean,

Speaker 1 55:14
I'm a lot more conservative. I guess I would say I do a lot of experimenting, honestly, yeah, sometimes it doesn't work

Scott Benner 55:22
out. Well, what are you experimenting for? Like, what is it you're trying to get to?

Speaker 1 55:27
I just like to understand how things work. And, you know, see how different things make me feel. Like, I experimented with a Fresa. Sometimes I use it here and there, yeah, you know, experimenting with the ozempic. Now I'm experimenting with SIM line, Metformin, yeah, the different insulins, the different algorithms. I just want to find what works well, and to be able to tell people, This is my experience with this medication or this algorithm or this system. Yeah, this is what you could feasibly expect. Don't mess it up.

Scott Benner 56:01
Is the sim line helping you with the hunger problem? Or no,

Speaker 1 56:06
it does, but it's very tricky. With figuring out Bolus timing, it's literally

Scott Benner 56:12
three times a day you have to shoot it. Yeah, that's tough. I have to be honest that. GLP, I haven't thought about food in forever, like I actually got busy last weekend, and I had that feeling at like, four o'clock in the afternoon. I was like, What's wrong with me? And I was like, something's wrong. And then I was like, Oh, I haven't eaten today. Like, I got up, I got involved with the dogs. Then a thing happened. Then this project I wanted to get to I started, and then before I knew it, I was like, what is wrong? And then I was like, Oh, I haven't eaten today. And I was not hungry, like, not hungry at all. It's wonderful stuff. I have to, I have to say that Arden's using a half of ozempic right now. She started at a quarter. She's at a half now, her insulin sensitivity went from one, I I've said it like 42 or 43 but in that range to like one to like 93 now, and her basal is down. Her insulin to carb ratio is weaker, like, just everything. Like, she's using a lot less insulin. It did impact her eating. And I haven't, you know, I'd have to get her on here to have her really talk about it. And she's, there's times where she's like, I can't eat, and there's times where she's like, I can eat fine. Like, you know, I just not as I don't eat as much. But her decrease in insulin isn't just because she lost a little weight, but a tiny like, on her, it probably looks like a lot, but it's probably 10 pounds, you know what I mean. But her insulin usage is not directly related to the food. It's it's something about that, the GLP and how it slows down your digestion. It's just fantastic. So I think at some point it'll be offered to every type one, if I hope so. Yeah, once insurance comes around on it, you know, I think it's more about the they got to figure out how to make enough of it first. Like, I actually think, like, 10 years from now, like the whole society might overall look differently because of it. It's really impactful. So you're shaking your head, yes, you know, because you've used it. So I probably just sound like, I'm, I'm being paid by a GLP company, which I'm not.

Unknown Speaker 58:23
I prescribe it all the time. Yeah, do

Scott Benner 58:25
you good? Yeah, I I am not being paid. But I want to be clear, I would accept money because I genuinely have had such an insane experience with it, like my wife and I, both our lives are like completely different artists too, just, you know, and so because we found a doctor who was willing to, like, kind of deal with things the way you were talking about, this is very nice of you and brave of you to do because you because somebody's gonna judge you over this, just so you know, like, Oh, I'm sure I get crap online once in a while, because I've shared, like, Arden came on here and talked about having a seizure after her senior prom. And you know, if you dig around in the right corners of the internet, you'll hear some horrible people like say, see his daughter eats carbs, and look what happened to her. So I've actually seen that if those people are listening, I hope you fall on a sharp stick. I don't care like and she doesn't care either. That's what happened to her. She had a very similar experience. She had a big day. She was very active. Her blood sugars were fantastic. All day long, nothing. I was watching it like, you know, remotely she was paying attention to there was nothing that you would have thought like nothing you would have thought that was strange. And then she had, like, they had some weird meal at like, three or four o'clock in the morning, and she didn't even Bolus for all of it. It's like she knew, and she still Bolus less, and still, you know, an hour and a half later, you know, she's having a seizure, and her friends are helping her out of it. And so I talk about it because I. Don't want people to be scared, but I don't think you should be ignorant of the fact that it can happen, because you do need to be ready for it, you know what? I mean? Yeah,

Speaker 1 1:00:07
so, and it's frustrating how infrequently glucagon is prescribed, yeah, even to type one diabetics, yeah, they

Scott Benner 1:00:18
should have it. Arden has one with her constantly. There's one in her bedside. There's one in the bag she carries around. I have them in my house, like they're everywhere. Do you want the injectable? Or are you happy with the like, if you had your druthers, would you pick chief oak? Or do you are you happy with the vaccine?

Speaker 1 1:00:34
I probably would pick G, VO, just because, you know, this last time that I had the vaccine he administered. I was actually conscious and aware for that, and it hurt so bad. Not

Scott Benner 1:00:47
fun. It was horrible. Yeah, squirting a powder up your nose wasn't pleasurable. Getting

Speaker 1 1:00:52
punched in the face right through your back to the end of your occipital bone felt

Scott Benner 1:00:57
like it went right through your brain. Yeah, you were just like, whoo. Here we go, like that burned, right? Yeah, yeah. So I glucagon burns in general, though, right? The injections burn too, don't they,

Speaker 1 1:01:08
yeah. I mean, that could be, is it the glucagon, or is it because it's an im injection, right? Which doesn't feel good,

Scott Benner 1:01:15
but not in your head, yeah? So I, so what I actually have, a, I have a trainer pen here, a G vo trainer pen. And what I love about it is it's like, it's, it's just like, it's cap, click, done. It's over, like, you know what? I mean, it's the self injectors are, like, they're pretty great. I had this experience with a few of the sponsors to the podcast, but GEVO is a sponsor because Arden uses it. And I was like, Hey, if you want to sponsor the show, my daughter uses this. And she uses it because it was the first glucagon form factor that actually allowed her to carry it with her, because we didn't carry the lily kits anywhere. Like, what do you no one's gonna figure that out. Yeah. What are you hoping for that a Rando is comes along and goes, Oh, I bet, like, your mom couldn't get it together. Like, did it? Yeah, you know what I mean. Like, so, yeah, it just never seemed reasonable to me, and it was very hard at a school level to talk a nurse into even training to do it. But this one, nobody has a problem with. They're like, yeah, sure, because it looks like

Speaker 1 1:02:18
it's pretty dummy proof, although I have had patients who have had loved ones screwed up, really?

Scott Benner 1:02:24
Boy, it's pretty simple. But anyway, that's, uh, sorry. Is there anything we didn't talk about that we

Speaker 1 1:02:33
should have? I mean, I could probably just tell you a lot, a lot of stories about glucagon or anything in general, but

Scott Benner 1:02:38
you might have to come back one day, and we'll talk not about glucagon. I like you. You're fun. So Thanks, Scott. You know. I appreciate it. How do you know about the podcast? Probably a

Speaker 1 1:02:47
year and a half ago, deer season, I needed something to entertain me while I was cleaning and gotten and processing my deer, and so I'm like diabetes podcast that sounds interesting, and I didn't like it at first, to be perfectly honest.

Scott Benner 1:03:03
Yes, I'm very coarse. People don't like me, generally speaking, no, not at all.

Speaker 1 1:03:06
I'm like, this guy doesn't even have diabetes. Listening and like, he might know something. Oh, he actually knows what he's talking about. I can, I can deal with this. I

Scott Benner 1:03:17
get that he doesn't have diabetes. Anger. I mean, I understand it like, I probably would be like, wait what? This is ridiculous, but I'm glad you stuck with it, and it's really cool to know that I'm with you while you're cleaning deer. Yeah, I wonder, where else? I wonder, what else people are doing while they're listening?

Speaker 1 1:03:34
Oh, you probably don't want to know, Scott, that's

Scott Benner 1:03:38
Oh, my god, yeah. Maybe I don't shooting deer. I never would have thought somebody would have said I was gutting and cleaning a deer while I listened to your podcast. People don't. Oh, now I'm gonna wonder forever what you're all doing. Seriously. All right, that's good. Leave me on that one. That's good. Let me. Let me think about that for the rest of the afternoon. Hold on one second. For

Unknown Speaker 1:04:02
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#1398 IDU: Why Laughter And Yawning Are Contagious

Are laughter and yawning contagious, exploring empathy and mirror neurons.

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John Mulaney's humorous GQ interview and its impact on live audiences.

Behavioral mimicry: coughing, smiling, and other shared human behaviors.

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Scott Benner 0:00
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Arden Benner 3:02
the yawning thing, I think we were actually talking about in my class, and there is no evidence of why that's contagious at all.

Scott Benner 3:11
Why is laughter and yawning contagious? That's what we're talking about today. You're saying that there's no evidence

Arden Benner 3:16
of it at all. Well, laughter is not contagious. It's just like someone laughs, like it makes you laugh, like you think it's like funny, or like you have a reaction to it, but yawning is like, there's no evidence that, like anything is happening now, because you said yawning, I know I feel like I'm gonna yawn too. That's why I think this is a bad idea to do that one we're already

Scott Benner 3:37
a minute ago. We're sticking with it. Let's start with laughter. So the the phrase laughter is contagious. I don't think it's meant like, you laugh and then I uncontrollably laugh.

Arden Benner 3:48
Well, then that's just a stupid thing to talk about. Like, yeah, like, obviously, if someone laughs and like, you're gonna have a reaction to it, and it's gonna be laughter.

Scott Benner 3:56
But maybe not, though, because remember, tell everyone you don't enjoy stand up comedy, not your thing. I don't think, I don't think it's a real skill. Okay, so Arden's not a stand up comedian loving person. I just don't

Arden Benner 4:11
like stand up comedy where they have to write their script out in advance, because then you're not really a comedian. You're just a writer. We also performing it, yeah, but I don't think those are funny. But

Scott Benner 4:22
this is not the point. The point is, if we put stand up comedy on television, which is very popular nowadays, right, you stare right through it. It doesn't grab your attention, you don't laugh. And then was it last summer, two summers ago, for my birthday, we saw John Mulaney live,

Arden Benner 4:37
oh, I was laughing when he told his serial story. You

Scott Benner 4:42
were the person we took that we were like, Oh, this is just a waste of a seat. She's not gonna like this, but you laughed throughout his performance.

Arden Benner 4:48
I giggled, for sure, but like I didn't. There are some stand up comedians that I just don't think are funny at all. I think John mulini has a funny essence about. Him so, like He's just funny to look at, and that makes him funny. And he's literally voices a pig and Spider Man, like He's just funny. Wait, why is he funny to look at? He's a funny looking guy. Is he? You don't think he's funny looking He is literally a cartoon character. I've never

Scott Benner 5:21
really thought about it. Now I have to look also, he's married to a very pretty lady. Yeah,

Arden Benner 5:26
exactly. It makes it even funnier. What makes that funnier? Like? How did that like? What you just feel like? What he looks like a cartoon character? Yeah.

Scott Benner 5:37
Well, I was gonna say he looks like a puffier. Jason Bateman, he looks like, if you like,

Arden Benner 5:44
if like a board game character could walk

Scott Benner 5:48
in his face. Yeah, he kind

Arden Benner 5:49
of reminds me of, like, fix it. Felix, from wreck it. Ralph, you know who that? I gotta

Scott Benner 5:53
look this up. I don't know, fix it. Fix it. Felix, yeah, oh yeah. How about that, Bobby, damn. Yeah, that's pretty good call. Yes,

Arden Benner 6:05
he just has a cartoony vibe about him, so that that automatically just makes you funny. Like, some people have that, like comedian essence, and he has that. There's some people you listen to who are comedians who I literally, I just, I don't find them funny at all, like, I just don't find them funny. But when he told that serial story, I was crying out, but also like he didn't. It's not like he wrote the joke like he was reading an article,

Scott Benner 6:33
I know, but we've now seen him do it like. So this was interesting, because you felt like, Oh, he's not really performing this. But then a friend of yours,

Arden Benner 6:43
oh, I didn't, I didn't say he wasn't performing it. I just there's something about the fact that comedians will write their scripts in advance and then, like, try to perform it for you and try to be funny about it that I don't find to be funny. Yeah, I know you have a very strong feeling about this. I think, like comedians who do like audience work or whatever, whatever it's called, like he's the audience. I think they're naturally funny because they're coming up with stuff on the spot. And I think it like his delivery of reading that article was funny, and also a lot of what he told was stories that had happened to him. I think storytelling can be funny, but I don't think like comedians who like make up literal jokes are funny. Like every time I watch America Scott talent and a comedian goes on automatically, I want someone to press the red buzzer.

Scott Benner 7:32
I think they're just bad comedians generally, though. Yeah, they are. So are there stand up comics that you can think of who you enjoy their and you laugh at their storytelling.

Arden Benner 7:42
Oh, who's that guy on tick tock? He know it. He doesn't really make me laugh, but he also has one of the he's a little funny looking, and sometimes he'll do stuff that makes me laugh, and I'm like,

Scott Benner 7:55
Haha, you're not talking reminds you're not talking about you're

Arden Benner 7:59
gonna speak over. Okay, cool, because we can see each other talking. He reminds me of, like a geeky version of, um Seth Cohen, like a geekier version. You know who Seth Cohen is? No, from the OC.

Scott Benner 8:13
I thought you're gonna say Matt rife, that handsome boy that does the tick tock. Oh, I don't, I don't think he's funny. I have to tell you what his tick tocks are funny, but I tried to stand up, and no offense to him, but it was bad. So

Arden Benner 8:24
what is this guy's name? I'll find it.

Scott Benner 8:27
I just want to say too that John mulaney's ex wife has like an edge to her, which you wouldn't expect, and she's writing a memoir, but not mentioning him in it. Why am I reading an Anne Marie? Oh, go ahead. His name is Jeff Arcuri. Okay, I think, yeah, this guy you think is funny? No,

Arden Benner 8:50
I don't think that he is funny. I think that when the crowd interacts with him, it's funny. He's good at

Scott Benner 8:56
what they call crowd work. What's that podcast? You love that I and he's funny looking, oh, the basement yard. Is that it?

Arden Benner 9:05
I love the basement yard. They also, like, aren't even funny. They're just really dumb. They're just really dumb. And I think, like, if you met them and told them, like, I don't know if you guys are even super funny, you're just you really don't know a lot about life, they would like, be like, yeah, and then agree with you. You don't think

Scott Benner 9:25
they're putting that dumb thing on. No, I don't think. What do I call it? Every time I ask you about it, I'm like, What's that? I call it? Like dumpster podcast. Why do I think that? Yeah, let's go backwards for a second. Anne Marie Tendler, married to John Mulaney for years before. I believe he maybe went, what they call off the wagon and she left him, or something like that. But who is she? Like? Why does she get to write a book that doesn't Oh, she's already a writer. I

Arden Benner 9:51
remember watching comedians and Cars Getting Coffee, and John Mulaney being on an episode, and. In having to go rug shopping for her, and that's it. That's the only time I've ever heard of her. She's

Scott Benner 10:04
written three books, the daily face pin it, 20 fabulous somethings, and men have called her crazy. So she's a writer, and now they're letting her write a, I guess, a more personal book, but I don't understand why. I mean, if you're not going to mention John millennium, do I care? Known professionally is Anne Marie tenler is an American multimedia artist known for her work in photography, makeup, hairstyle, textile crafts, and notably, and notable specialty is make handmade lampshades. You can be famous for making lampshades. Oh, my God, that's upsetting. But then he married Olivia mun who's out of his league, right? Yeah, like, visually. I know we're not supposed to talk about people that way, but Right? Well, yeah, I don't know how you guys order your diabetes supplies, like CGM pumps and testing equipment, but at our house, we use us Med, and I'm gonna walk you through the entire process right now. I'm looking at the email from us Med, it says it's time to refill your prescription, dear Arden, please click the button below to place your next order. Then you click the button that was it. Two days later, I got this email, thank you for your order from us. Med, we wanted to let you know that your order and it gives you an order number was shipped via UPS ground. You can track your package at any time using the link below, and then there was a link, and then it showed up at our house. Now I'm going to walk you through the entire chain of events. On the 29th which was the Saturday I clicked on the email. On that Monday, the first I got an email that said the order had been sent. Four days later on the fifth the package arrived. If you can do it easier than that, you go get it. But if you can't us, med.com/juice, box or call 888-721-1514, get started today with us. Med, get your diabetes supplies the same way we do the Dexcom g7 is sponsoring this episode of The Juicebox Podcast, and it features a lightning fast 30 minute warm up time that's right from the time you put on the Dexcom g7 till the time you're getting readings. 30 minutes. That's pretty great. It also has a 12 hour grace period so you can swap your sensor when it's convenient for you, all that, on top of it being small, accurate, incredibly wearable and light, these things, in my opinion, make the Dexcom g7 a no brainer. The Dexcom g7 comes with way more than just this, up to 10 people can follow you. You can use it with type one, type two, or gestational diabetes. It's covered by all sorts of insurances. And this might be the best part. It might be the best part alerts and alarms that are customizable, so that you can be alerted at the levels that make sense to you. Dexcom.com/juice, box, links in the show notes, links at Juicebox podcast.com, to Dexcom and all the sponsors. When you use my links, you're supporting the production of the podcast and helping to keep it free and plentiful. Yeah. I mean, like, she's,

Arden Benner 13:09
she's, she's pretty, yeah, she has a sort of pretty that's like, she's

Scott Benner 13:15
both pretty

Arden Benner 13:17
on a screen. But also, if she was walking down the street, like, I would be like, she's pretty too. Yeah, she's got that vibe. And it's not, it's not like, overwhelming at all. It's just like, Oh, she's very pretty. He

Scott Benner 13:28
out kicked his coverage. Why did they use that as a saying? I don't even know what that means.

Arden Benner 13:33
It's like, I really think that you should explain the serial portion of what I'm talking about so that people understand what I mean. Well,

Scott Benner 13:40
how am I gonna explain that? Fine, I'll do it. You can remember it.

Arden Benner 13:46
I do remember it because I was seeing my pants. Also, for some reason, we had seats, and I was the only one who wasn't sitting with our family. I was sitting behind all of you guys, and then I was sitting next to a random family, and I was, like, trying to stay quiet, but like, I just physically, like, I couldn't, like,

Scott Benner 14:05
I was crying, yeah, you were cracking up. And honestly, yes, at that certain part, did you not remember? Yeah, but we think we all thought you were, well, first, can I read you this? And then what? And you tell me why it's funny. Laughter is actually contagious. It's not just the saying. When people hear someone laugh, their brains can automatically respond, creating a desire to laugh along, even without fully understanding the reason behind the laughter. It happens because of mirror neurons, specialized brain Oh, I

Arden Benner 14:33
just learned about mirror neurons. It's what it's when you do what the opposite person is doing, yeah, like your neurons act like they're neurons.

Scott Benner 14:40
That really happens, specialized brain cells that activate when we see or hear others perform in action, is why I cry when people cry,

Arden Benner 14:46
yeah, probably, yeah. I just had a whole test on I had an exam on this a couple of weeks ago. Oh,

Scott Benner 14:50
here. These neurons play a big role in empathy and mimicry. Laughter is also a social bonding tool in group settings. Laughter can help create a. Sense of connection. I mean, these are things we know, but that's

Arden Benner 15:01
why I think that this like connects to, like, you know, like, when you people go to, like a zoo and they like talk to, like, apes and gorillas and stuff, and they'll like, do what you're doing, it's because they whatsoever, they have, like, a they have a conscious like, their consciousness is there, yeah, like, they pass the mirror test, or something called the mirror test. So, like, there's certain animals that can, like, they look in a mirror and they know that they're there. They don't think it's another animal. You brought up the mirror test in another episode. Yeah, exactly. So the commuter neurons so that they're, like, doing what we're doing.

Scott Benner 15:34
Gorillas are intelligent animals whose cognitive abilities are often compared to those of young human children.

Arden Benner 15:42
Like toddler, toddlers, or something like that. I

Scott Benner 15:44
mean, I've met some kids that were older. I would be like, That kid's not as smart as a monkey like so maybe, yeah, okay. So

Arden Benner 15:52
I sent mom a video of a monkey doing, wait, a monkey's doing. What? A setup, okay? And I thought it was so funny, and she did not respond to it. I just got left onto the window. You want to see it. She's

Scott Benner 16:06
just never I would like to see the thing, and I have the full GQ article that John reads from in the bit that you wait. Ready? Are you ready? Yes.

Arden Benner 16:20
I said it to her, and she didn't respond to me. Oh, listen

Scott Benner 16:23
to me tell people how much you love little monkeys and

Arden Benner 16:28
that you would definitely I love. Yeah, I want to pet monkeys so bad. I know they say that they attack people, but part of me thinks that me and monkeys think very similarly, and that those who I want to attack the monkey would want to attack so I am not a danger. You

Scott Benner 16:41
think you and the monkey would vibe, and therefore it would be okay.

Arden Benner 16:46
Oh, completely Wait, a monkey. The

Scott Benner 16:49
ones people keep the little capuchin monkeys. Capuchin

Arden Benner 16:52
like, who doesn't want something called a Capuchin monkey? Well, let's see. The

Scott Benner 16:56
pros are. They're intelligent, known for their problem solving skills. Maybe they could help you with your coding test. And the cons are they can be aggressive, if not properly trained and socialized. They also live the 40 years old requiring a long term commitment that's gonna live longer than me. What's your longest relationship so far? Like, romantic? Yeah, 11 months, because you got to make it. I'm only 20. If we get you a monkey right now, you'll be 60 when it passes away. It's crazy. They're also marmosets. People keep but they're like wild animals. The care is very specific. Tamarinds specialized diet care requirements. Can live 15 to 20 years. Squirrel monkeys, they require social interaction.

Arden Benner 17:39
Squirrel Why would you name something a different animal, squirrel, monkey. It's like, it's like, spider monkey. Isn't that a thing? It's the next one on

Scott Benner 17:46
the list. Spider Monkeys. They're intelligent. Yeah. Their intelligence means they can be quite destructive, if bored. They can live 30 plus years. So me, there's so many, hi, many places keeping monkeys as a pet is illegal. That one lady had that Chimp, that chimpanzee in it, like that, oh, attack that woman, yeah, like her friend, like, I think really hurt her. Okay, so I have here, John Mulaney, GQ, article, what Article? Yeah, that does she send it to me? No, hold on. I'll send it to you, and then you're gonna tell people why it was so funny. All right, it's so funny.

Arden Benner 18:18
It's important to say, Well, some people have probably seen this, but it's on Netflix, but it's important to say that the whole what were we at, the whole stand up act, right? Is about how he had just gotten out of rehab. Yes, correct, yes. Okay, right. So it's like, kind of serious, because he just got out of rehab, but it's also comedy, and this is his ending. This is, this was his closing thing. I remember it because I thought, Oh, my God, I'm gonna pee my pants. I gotta get out of here. We're just looking at it out and thank you. Laugh. I'm just reading it again. So wait, what happened? He someone called him to do a GQ, cause him to do an interview,

Scott Benner 18:59
an interview, but he's whacked out of his mind. Oh yeah, he is on heavy drugs.

Arden Benner 19:08
I feel like we have to read the whole interview. Who do you want to be? I don't even know. What

Scott Benner 19:13
do you want? Do you want to be John, or do you want to be the interviewer? How am I gonna get through it? By the way, John Mulaney has spoken about being, uh, addicted to alcohol, cocaine. I love that he can joke about that, and Vicodin, are some things that he's talked about. And this, this whole like, good. Do you see the first question? Hold on a second. The original story is below. It's like bolt bolded the first questions, bold Did you see any ghosts today? Um,

Arden Benner 19:45
already asked. I don't I'm confused why she asked him that I'm trying to figure it out. Who do you want me to be? John? Sure.

I'll ask the questions. You be John Mulaney, okay, okay, okay, all right, go ahead. Did you see any ghosts today? I haven't, but I walked out. What is supposedly the most haunted building in New York City. Oh, where is that? It's a vacuum on

14th, between Fifth and Sixth, and it used to be a boarding house. My, oh, my, apparently, just incredibly haunted, like alter guys taunted.

Scott Benner 20:17
What about vacuum cleaner? Store made you laugh immediately,

Arden Benner 20:20
because what the hell is he talking about? Oh, get

Scott Benner 20:24
up on that microphone when you're reading. Did you get a chill or a bad vibe? It doesn't

Arden Benner 20:29
give me a bad vibe anymore. I think when I first walked past it, I knew what it was, so maybe I faked the bad vibes. Although I walked by a house that was haunted in Los Angeles, and I didn't know it was haunted. It was just kind of like, Oh, what's this house? And then slowly I was like, I don't like this place. I'm going to walk away from here with my dog. And it was called The Murder House of Las Felice, and it had a terrible history. That's the only time I've really had a creeping sense of ghouls and ghosts out of nowhere, and then,

Scott Benner 21:04
what is he talking about? Why don't you ask the next question? I'll do that answer. I

Arden Benner 21:09
feel like there's a horror comedy in your head begging to come out at some point.

Scott Benner 21:13
Well, I'm trying to think I'm not good with hard devices like twists and things like that, but I could write a comedy about someone who's just haunted and scary. I do have an idea. I used to watch this show, ghost kids, children of the paranormal, and it was about real life, six sense kids. And it was very compelling. And I believed these kids, and I always thought that would be fun, like Bad News Bears type movie, where either one of the players sees ghosts, or maybe it's kind of like a dawn, like a down and out team, because they all see ghosts, and that's their thing, as opposed to being like the team without much money, they're the team, but this is like a co grant, if I've ever heard one, they're the team that sees ghosts, so that's why they're last in the league. And if you think I'm not just making that up. I'm not just making that movie up on my feet. You're absolutely wrong. I'm coming up with it as we speak. All right, hold on. Would you watch? But I don't want to add to your plate, which is already pretty full. Look at that. Look at the interview. Trying to be nice to him. Maybe like bringing them back a little bit, you have this Marvel Contest of Champions thing you're doing, which is a continuation of your spider ham roll. Actually, we're coincidentally talking on the anniversary of spider verse. It turns to today.

Arden Benner 22:32
It does turn to, yeah, I remember two years ago going, Oh, into the spider verses out. I'm not just kidding. I do recall it. You know why? It was the first movie I was ever in, so it was a big deal. Then it

Scott Benner 22:45
went on to critical and popular acclaim. That's always good. Yes,

Arden Benner 22:49
which Peter Ramsey and borrow proschetti. Proschetti and Rodney Rothman, they made such an incredible film that I definitely felt a part of it. It felt like watching a perfect meal being served, and I knew I chopped the garlic, I felt in all of it. And then people go, congratulations. I'd be like, on what? And then they'd be like, the movie. And I was like, Oh yeah, that's other people. And they're like, No, you're in it. And I'm like, Okay, fine, if you want to give me credit, I'll take it.

Scott Benner 23:15
You got his cadence there a little bit, I

Arden Benner 23:17
know, because that's how he was saying. I'll ask the next Okay, good. Well, how does it feel to be reprising the character again? Now for this campaign that you're doing, it's so

Scott Benner 23:26
natural. It's crazy. The thing that was fun about doing this character was that I spoke in my voice the way I talk with slight volume raises. But it took until someone offered me a spider man, pig character before I could say, like, oh, they just want me to be me. I feel like Cary Grant got a I feel like Carrie grant got a lot of those offers where he's like, where he's like, I see they just want the Cary Grant shoot in my first wreck, in my first records. I was like, What are you looking for? And they were like, talk the way you would.

Arden Benner 24:05
This also coincides with the new season of big math. It seems like you gravitate towards voiceover work a lot more often than some of your peers. What is that you like about it? Oh, I

Scott Benner 24:15
really like it. First off, it's something about the acting. It's performative. Fully. If you watch someone do an animated voiceover, you're throwing the action into it. You're trying as much as possible to recreate the loss of breath or the fact that they're struggling to get over something, and other than breathing on the mic too harshly, you're able to kind of act in that space can't breathe. I find it really fun. Also, it's an easier way to do, like, five takes in a row. You can be like, actually, let me do five blammos. And there's no, there's not camera rolling and 100 grips and lighting guys. So you can just go, let me do five blammos. It says here in the article, he proceeds to read, blame, oh, five different ways. Blammo. Blammo. Oh, blamo, blamo, blamo. And that's acting, what I just did. So you can really play around. So you can really play around, even more so than you can on set. What's interesting is when you first get into the voiceover booth, normally, I'm coming off the subway, and I haven't been in talking and yelling. So everyone comes into voiceover. It's not that they're rusty, it's just more like they're just used to speaking in an inside voice. So the first takes of any animated thing be at big mouth, or this new Chip and Dale project or spider like how he throws in his Chip and Dale project or spider verse, the first takes are always like, Hi. This is Peter porker. I'm here. I'm a reporter. I want to help too. And they're like, Okay, great. Now do it with energy and as if you were definitely Peter porker and not someone who was just on the subway. Hold on. I'll reach you the next one. Awesome. He's awesome. He must have been about to get to the best part. Okay, well, the whole thing's the best part. I don't care what people think you have. The Chip and Dale thing with Sandberg, I'm sensing a theme of voiceover characters here. I love

Arden Benner 26:07
how you said that I chose them. I must admit, I, for a very long time, much, very much wanted voiceover work. And then big mouth, then spider verse came along, and I was like, yes, yes. So I don't want to say I just accepted these films, because I would take anything, but more, like I was really open to it, and then they offered it, so I took it.

Scott Benner 26:26
What about the spider ham roll specifically? Do you enjoy tapping into especially now that you're getting to do more of this time around? I like

Arden Benner 26:34
that. He takes his day job seriously. He has an air of he's always pushing the reporter thing first, I like that he, I don't know if he maybe compared to some of the other spider verse spider creatures. He might have the highest EQ seems very sensitive about himself and others. But I mainly like that he talks in an old timey voice and says stuff like blam Oh. And I think also can't help himself with hand puns. Anyone who goes for jokes constantly, even though they know that they're completely hack and stupid, is always a hero. All right, let's take a breath. Wait, Dad, this is the best one. I want to be here.

Scott Benner 27:12
I want to talk about how this year has been for you creatively, because around this time last year, you were coming off sack Lunch Bunch, which was arguably one of your biggest creative risks, and it really paid off. How has your creative process been impacted by this year? If

Arden Benner 27:28
you heard that spoon, it's because I'm eating a bowl of fruit loops working in this new reality. At first, I thought, okay, now's your chance. Literally, you'll be alone without any collaborators. You create anything you want. There's no clock. And what I realized was I really like working with other people, which was not hard. Once people really dove into working over zoom at first, when I heard about that, I was like, There's no way people are going to work this way. I don't know why I was so skeptical, but I was and I definitely was thrilled once I started being in touch with friends again and collaborating on the new sack lunch bunches and did the oh hello podcast, the life and death of Princess Diana. Once I was back, even virtually, with the people I love collaborating with, like Nick roller, Marika Sawyer, I felt much more at home the idea of sitting alone waiting maybe someday I'll have my ADHD under control and we'll be able to do it. I'm probably on stage with an audience or with other people writing documentary now, or recording big mouth or those movies. I'm not Philip Roth. And I know you'll think I'm Phillip Roth Frazier, but I'm not.

Scott Benner 28:25
Oh, man, you just popped the bubble. I know I'll

Arden Benner 28:29
ask the next question, wait, has working on late night, Late Night with Seth Meyers giving you that structure you were seeking

Scott Benner 28:37
laughs. So I guess he laughs. It's really fun, and it's really fun to go into an office and work with friends. It's not simply a case of structure, but yes, it is nice to have an office, where office to go to, where it's super safe after doing Saturday Night Live, I thought I really miss going into a workplace when I realized I had very lucky opportunity to go into Seth's show, I was stoked, because I realized not a lot of people get to recreate that or have that interaction right now, so I'm extremely lucky to be able to watching

Arden Benner 29:07
your segments. Made me wonder, would you ever build up to having your own talk show just John Mulaney and guests? Well,

Scott Benner 29:14
it's interesting you say that from my segments. I don't know if the persona I'm playing in those segments would get his own talk show, but I always wanted to do a talk show where the guest is always someone from a job that I don't understand. I'd love to interview a dog catcher and be like, what's that like? How do you feel about yourself? I'm not judging, but I am a little How do you feel? Rounding up dogs and taking them to the pound. I had two ideas for a talk show ones. And by ideas, I mean I thought about them in the privacy of my own room. One would be just interviewing people who do anything that interests me, and I don't mean like on the ground and I'm watching them do their job. It would be like a talk show set, and they'd come out, and there'd be a band and so forth. In case you were confused. City. He meant go to work with them. The other thing was just to have only elderly people on which I obviously would not do to the risks. But I just thought it would what are the risks of

Arden Benner 30:12
having elderly I think this was during COVID. Oh, okay, all right.

Scott Benner 30:16
But I just thought it would be great to talk to old people, especially if they were comfortable talking about being at the end of their lives and just go, did you like it? Did you not ideally? Maybe like a four year old and an 84 year old, or a 40 year old and a 94 year old, that would be our ideal lineup.

Arden Benner 30:34
Okay, I think we should skip to the bottom, okay, where she says to him, this goes on forever. Everyone should read this, by the way, where she says to him, I think what we've established in this conversation is that there are a ton of different ideas rattling around in your head that you should definitely make happen.

Scott Benner 30:49
If that's what people took away from this, I'd be thrilled.

Arden Benner 30:54
She says, I don't want to take too much of your time away from the Fruit Loops. They're

Scott Benner 30:59
done. They're long gone. Frasier was he eating the fruit lips the whole time? I believe so, because he she heard this at one point, and

Arden Benner 31:07
it ends and she says, we're a year away from sack lunch now. One of the key segments, and that was talking about fears after the year that we've all had. I wanted to know if your fears change with 2020

Scott Benner 31:17
Well, I think a lot of people have noticed what isolation is actually like it's not good for you. I think people have adopted a great deal more compassion in some regards for their fellow man. Isolation certainly is, I don't know if it's a fear so much as now appreciate how scary it is that other people pretty much make life worth living, but my major fear remains the same, which is the Russian mafia. So now in the stand up, what his what does he end up? By the way, Frazier Tharp is the editor at GQ specialized in dictating entertainment coverage. I believe Frazier is the writer of this, this piece. They are. I mean, kudos, Frazier. It's wonderful. But what does he say then in the stand up afterwards? Like did? He was just, no, it ends the stand up. He just reads that at the end of it, yeah, okay.

Arden Benner 32:10
He's like, Thank you for having me, whatever. But it was, it's the way that he does the fruit lifts part. And I just, I can't take it. I think he might have had like a spoon with him that he dropped on stage. No, yeah, I don't think so. Something happened. I feel like he makes the sound or something. You

Scott Benner 32:31
were just so into it at that point, though, and he

Arden Benner 32:34
was and he says the whole like, if you heard that noise,

Scott Benner 32:40
I dropped my spoon. You should watch this. Do you know what it's called, that up at the John Malini, but do you think you were laughing because you were in a big group of people like do you think if you would have seen that at home, you wouldn't have laughed like that?

Arden Benner 32:58
Maybe, I don't know it's possible, but God, the Fruit Loops killed me. I was long gone after that one. Is it? Baby? J,

Scott Benner 33:06
no, I don't think so. It is. Is it? It is because that's his latest one from 2023 it's called Baby. J, I'm sorry I couldn't hear that great because Netflix was playing in my ears when I was looking so when you're around your friends, oh, it is okay. When you're around your friends, you guys giggle like crazy.

Arden Benner 33:24
Yeah, they they have a lot to say. But do you think? Well, I've also, I've also known them their whole lives. So you know, I know every detail about them. What makes things funny? What makes what's not funny? Okay, I don't know the whole yawning thing, though. I can't, I can't help you with that. What do you can't help me with that. There's no evidence to

Scott Benner 33:43
that. Why do you mean there's no that happens to everybody, doesn't it? Yep,

Arden Benner 33:47
there's no evidence to why that happens. Is what I'm trying to tell you. It

Scott Benner 33:50
says there is Hold on a second. No, there isn't. It brings up mirror neurons again. In fact, it is so contagious that you don't ever have to see another person yawn, to yawn yourself. Sometimes all it takes is hearing a yawn or thinking about one. You may be yawning right now, talking about this,

Arden Benner 34:07
trying so hard not to do it.

Scott Benner 34:09
Well, it's like, Oh, I did it right away. You

Arden Benner 34:14
wouldn't know this because you never went to college. But like when I go to, like, my big lecture classes, as soon as one person coughs for the first time, it doesn't stop. The whole class. Okay,

Scott Benner 34:30
so this is really interesting to me.

Arden Benner 34:32
The whole class, it does not stop. And I know they don't have to cough

Scott Benner 34:37
the first time it happened to me. I'm gonna sound I don't know what I'm gonna sound like right now, but I'm a big fan of classical music, so mom and I saw Yo Yo Ma in New York when we were younger.

Arden Benner 34:48
And it was like, it was like five years ago,

Scott Benner 34:53
Mom and I have seen Yo Yo Ma number of times live, not just once. What?

Arden Benner 34:56
Yeah, was I alive? Probably. You don't even know.

Scott Benner 35:00
I mean, the last time we saw him was 2018 God is it 2024 so six years ago, saw him in Washington, DC. But the time before that, I don't remember, we were in New York, and he'd play for a while. And throughout the playing, there's just, there's this smattering of like, like throughout the crowd, right? He'd stop playing, and then it was silent, like during the intermission, silent in the place. Then the little bell would ding. Gives you the idea, like, you know, in a couple of minutes, gonna start playing again. And as soon as the pressure hit some people that they had to be quiet, they started like, they start coughing, coughing, yeah, yeah. It's ridiculous. I know it's so annoying that pressure it's annoying, is what it is, okay. Why, in a moment when quiet is required, do some people cough? This the thing I'm noticing and no one else is noticing, or is it going to heightened awareness of silence? This is what I think it is nervousness or anxiety intense situations, such as during exams, important meetings or performances. It can make people anxious or nervous, and anxiety can lead to physical responses like dry mouth throat, which triggers a cough. It's a kind of nervous tic that releases some of their tension, tension to respiratory sensations, psychological influence. There's an also an element of suggestion. When one person coughs in a quiet room, they might become more aware of their own throats and then feel compelled to cough. Yeah. It's really annoying. It's fascinating. Like, as soon as you need to be quiet, someone's like,

Arden Benner 36:43
that's why. Like, you know that movie a quiet place? Yes, everybody did. No one would survive that. Everybody be done in 10 minutes. That's right. Who wrote that? John Krasinski from the office. I love him. You didn't get that part right. How do you feel about him? And Emily Blunt, hmm,

Scott Benner 36:59
she seems fancier than him,

Arden Benner 37:02
right? But also, I find him to be more attractive than her.

Scott Benner 37:07
What say you? Why is this? I don't know. He's a man who's gotten much more attractive as he's gotten older. Am I

Arden Benner 37:13
right? She's gotten more manly. I would say, really, I thought

Scott Benner 37:16
it was weird that he was gonna play like it's fantastic. Four No, no, no, no. He's in an Amazon series. It was pretty good. Jack Ryan, oh, yeah, I never watched that, yeah, and he was believable in it. But, like, see how his face is, like, build up and gotten no, I can't see what you're looking at his face. You think about his face, he looks more rugged. Oh, I thought you meant in the show, he looks rugged now, like he filled in. Yeah,

Arden Benner 37:40
more manly. He seems more manly now. And he's very strong. I'm pretty sure,

Scott Benner 37:44
yeah, that's from being rich and being able to, like, lift all that stuff all the time. But I don't know, like you think he's the better looking person in their relationship. I

Arden Benner 37:55
think so. I also think that Emily Blunt looked much better with her red hair than her blonde hair. Really, I think the blonde hair makes her look older. And I also think that she's one of those people that's like, she was cast in like, a couple good movies, and now she can, she's just casting, like, some terrible stuff. But people would just be like, Oh, it's

Scott Benner 38:13
definitely blunt. You think she had such an opportunity after, um, your favorite movie? Yeah,

Arden Benner 38:20
is that your favorite also, wait, is that your favorite movie? It's one of my favorites. Devil Wears Prada. Yeah, it's a great movie. I can watch it. But I took my, um, when I was in like, sophomore year high school, junior yeah, I forgot. And I took like, those college classes for film. I put that down as one of my favorite movies. And I remember the professor being like, that's one of the best choices that, like I've seen so far. And I was like, Do

Scott Benner 38:44
you know what year that movie came out? Yeah, 2006 How do you know that? Because I love that. You just know that? My god, that was awesome. Yeah, she's very famous, but she hasn't been in a lot of good movies. Am I wrong? I mean, yeah, she has Yeah, Gulliver's Travels, The Wolf Man, this is stuff nobody's seen. Arthur Newman, Edge of Tomorrow was awesome with Tom Foos. That was great. Were they like, it's Groundhog Day. Do you know the movie I've never seen, I've never seen Edge of Tomorrow is really good. You should watch. Oh, I finished that movie I was telling you about yesterday. Oh, let me say she was in looper. I enjoyed looper. Oh, and Sicario. You ever see Sicario? No, that's a good movie. But

Arden Benner 39:31
I'm talking about, like, now, like, she was in Oppenheimer. I know that, yeah,

Scott Benner 39:35
but, but right before that, the movie she did before that, was Jungle Cruise with, like,

Arden Benner 39:39
Judge, I was gonna say it's with the rocker, yeah? Like, what is that? And that

Scott Benner 39:44
last thing, fall guy, I put it on on the cable, but let me just tell you, it's not good. You know what I mean? So, all right, go ahead. I'm sorry. We're gonna also, you

Arden Benner 39:53
know what? I feel terrible about that the woman who plays Pam is not close to as famous as Jon, Christopher. Ski. You think she should be more famous? Uh, I don't know that she should be more famous, but, I mean, he really leveled up compared to

Scott Benner 40:07
her. Pam Beasley, what's her name? Pam Beasley, no, her the actress, Jenna something, oh, played by Jenna Fisher. I'm sorry. Yeah, yeah. God, sorry, sorry, jeez, I'm sorry. I don't know her name. You're coming at me today. I'm sorry I didn't know her name. Yeah, I mean, she's making a podcast. I mean, can you imagine, yeah,

Arden Benner 40:27
with what's the Angela woman? Right? What a lovely profession. Yeah,

Scott Benner 40:31
no, I see he really did, like, let's, let's go through them, right? Most of them didn't do much rain. Wilson's just, like, professionally rain. They must be also wealthy. That's what I keep thinking. Like rain will especially

Arden Benner 40:44
because what it's still on all those platforms, it's still like, you go to a hotel, the office is playing

Scott Benner 40:51
always, Steve Carl's gotta be always. Steve Carl's gotta have, like, amount of money, right? Yeah.

Arden Benner 40:56
He's also been in so many movies. He's in one of the best rom coms of all time. Crazy Rich love, everyone should watch that. What is it? Crazy Rich, love, Dad, you've seen it. Come on, have I really

Scott Benner 41:07
crazy? That's great movie. Whoa. I know we shouldn't believe this stuff online, because whatever, but his estimated worth is $80 million so yeah, maybe that's why she's making a a podcast. Maybe she's just doing it because she's what's, what's her estimated worth? Hold on, a second. What's her name? Again, Jenna Fisher. She was in

Arden Benner 41:28
a she was in a sitcom for like, five minutes, and then that ended too, being divorced or something.

Scott Benner 41:33
I mean, the inner web has her at 12 million bucks. You can make it with that. That'll get you through. Don't you think, yeah, I'll take 12 million. I read somewhere that Jenna Fisher made 30 to 40,000 an episode for the first three seasons of the office. And after that, this is like Reddit. And after that, what I don't know but these pot I'll tell you what the podcast skip her. You know, they just sold that smart list podcast for a big pile of money. Again, like they sold it once, like three years ago, and then they sold it again to Sirius XM. So that

Arden Benner 42:06
would be 800 around $840,000 a season for the first three seasons, so times three. So she makes 2.5 million for the first three seasons. Then she's got to get a raise from there, right? Yeah, because that's a lot of money. But think about it. It's not that much money. It's not

Scott Benner 42:22
live the rest of your life money. It'll especially if you're spending it living like in California and stuff like that, it's gonna go away, right? Yeah, they don't even pay people like this anymore. I don't think at one point she was raised to $100,000 an episode. Is that back when they were doing 24 episodes a year?

Arden Benner 42:39
Yeah. So that's what, 2.4 million a year. Give that, like, four seasons, that's 9.6 million. She's got, hopefully still, but still it ends. And then what? Well,

Scott Benner 42:51
yeah. I mean, you could make it through your whole life with 10 million but, I mean, really have to try,

Arden Benner 42:56
yeah, but not if she's not, if she started spending, like, Oh, I'm making money now I'm saying, like,

Scott Benner 43:01
she'd have to try meetings. She'd have to live like a regular person. Yeah, maybe she does. It's

Arden Benner 43:07
not, it's not like, so interesting. How quickly money goes. Yeah.

Scott Benner 43:11
It's horrifying, actually. Yeah. So the coughing thing. So how many other things are we doing because the people around us laughing, yawning, coughing. So hold on laughing, yawning. I'm gonna yawn again, by the way. I wonder if we blink when other people blink. I just yawned again. I seriously, all right. So I asked, what else do we do? Because other people have done it.

Arden Benner 43:38
Let's see, maybe, like, touch our face a certain way, move our hair. Phenomenon

Scott Benner 43:42
is often referred to as social contagion, or behavioral mimicry. Smiling, well, that's nice to know clapping. Think you smiled when I said it was nice to know that about smiling, I laughed at you, oh, oh, because you were like, because I was being like, Oh, I really think that's nice to know because you could smile and other people would smile too. I smiled at a lady in the parking lot today at the grocery store, and she smiled back at me. Well, that's

Arden Benner 44:05
great. It was really nice. No, it was. But I have a thought in my head right now. Go ahead. I remember hearing watching a show or something, and they were talking about, like, oh, like, how do you know if it's like a young girl, she's in high school, and she was like, I want to know if my crush is looking at me, but I, like, can't tell, and they did, like, a yawning test. Oh, so she started to, like fake yawn every time that she looked away from him, or something like that, to like fake, you know, because if he saw her doing it, because it's all about if you have to see the person doing it, right? So,

Scott Benner 44:38
yeah, it's every time you say it, I yawn, go ahead. So she

Arden Benner 44:43
like, turned away, and she was like, every time I felt like he was looking I would yawn, and then I would kind of like, turn my head back to that area. And she was like, and finally, like, I saw him starting to yawn whenever I did, that's a good tip. That's

Scott Benner 44:54
a pro tip, a flirting pro tip. So do you want to know what else we do around each other? Smiling? Clapping, a standing ovation. If you stand up and start clapping, is that why we have to stand up at like, sporting events and concerts? Because once somebody stands up, everybody does it. No, I thought that was just kind of respect standing I never understand standing ovation. I'm at a baseball game. I can't sit and watch it. One guy stands up. Everybody stands up now. We're all standing for nine eggs, which I don't mind, because I'm used to standing at your games. But like also, here's one crossing your arms or crossing your legs. Oh,

Arden Benner 45:30
I saw I was I walk. I was walking like that yesterday because I was cold, because it's getting cold here now, and someone walking towards me, I saw them look at me and do the same thing. Their arms, cross their arms, yeah, almost like, oh yeah, it is cold out. I'm gonna cross my arms. Now. You've reminded me that it is cold and yeah,

Scott Benner 45:51
in a modern phenomenon, if one person in a group checks their phone often, other people's will very reflexively, yeah. Well, that makes sense. That makes perfect sense. Giggling, similar to laughing, giggling can be contagious, especially in awkward or quiet situations. Looking in a certain direction, you can look off and get other people to look off in that direction as well. Eating.

Arden Benner 46:12
Well, yeah, but that makes sense, because people will be like, What are you

Scott Benner 46:15
looking at? Yeah, I know. But also you could just not look that way. Eating, nodding. Start nodding. People nod along with you, right, uh, scratching or touching your face. That's what I said, touching your face probably. And in group settings, like a meeting, if one person stands up to leave, others may start to stand up too, almost like the like they think, like, oh, it's winding down or on board, and it's now okay to leave because someone else has thought it,

Arden Benner 46:43
yeah, it's like, one person closes their laptop in class, and suddenly the class is over. Yeah, very interesting. And I always sit there, like, do we not have like, 10 minutes left? Like, what are we doing? Like, what one person? That's like, one person gets out to go, and there's like, seven minutes left to class, the professor will be like, Okay, guess that's it for you guys. Goodbye. Like you can't control them anymore. It's insane. It's crazy,

Scott Benner 47:07
wild. Heard of like people leaving, yeah, and

Arden Benner 47:10
I always sit there and I'm like, no respect. That's crazy. I

Scott Benner 47:15
think you and I have done a public service here today with us. You agree it'd

Arden Benner 47:20
be a public service if any of these people could take my exam for me. So

Scott Benner 47:24
far, we've done inner monolog, money, fingernails. What blind people see? Why don't people get what about

Arden Benner 47:29
being itchy? Like, like lice? Like, when you say lice and people think their heads are itchy, okay,

Scott Benner 47:35
when or when you think a bug is falling on you? I said, What about when someone talks about having lice? When someone talks about having lice, many people immediately start to feel itchy and may begin to scratch their heads. This is a psychosomatic reaction where just hearing or thinking about something triggers physical sensations in the body, even though there's no real cause, like actually having lice, your awareness is heightened. You have you can get a sympathy itch, or even the like hypnosis, like the power of suggestion causes your brain and triggered a physical reaction. Does your head feel that? You know that we're talking about it? Yeah, on the left side, I have one in there. I feel like in the middle for a second, just I also kind of need to take a shower. So I'm not really sure what's going on. What was I just gonna say? Have you ever seen the a close up look at the bugs that live on your skin? Yeah, I don't. I'm good. You don't wanna do that. No, I'm fine. I'll be good without that, I think. But just personally, you know what I mean. So how's school going?

Arden Benner 48:35
It's fine. I have a lot of work to get done this week before I come home, so I'm not doing it all at home. But other than that, what do you

Scott Benner 48:42
ever What are you and I? You and I doing together when you come home? We have any plans? You should not tell the internet about that. Why? Because I need to get my Oh, the other thing, what were you talking Well, you've been gone for a while. So my eyebrows are a wreck.

Arden Benner 48:57
My eyebrows are too. I plucked a little bit right in here and right here, but it's just, it's never the same. I to get my nails done too.

Scott Benner 49:03
Mine are struggling. No, I had to. I had to, like, do some, like, weed whacking up there on my own. But my eyebrows suck, right? Yeah, mine are great. You do have great eyebrows. Mine are terrible. I don't like them at all. But, oh, we're gonna tan together, Dad, don't tell the internet that. Why don't do that. Don't tell them, you know, don't tell them about UV

Arden Benner 49:26
No, just as a man, don't tell them that you're getting

Scott Benner 49:29
I just came, we came back from vacation, and I know I understand. I completely get it feel like I looked better with a little bit of a tan, and now it's starting to fade, and I kind of want to punch it back. Everyone looks better with a little bit of a tan. I'm gonna punch it back up a little bit. Is there anything wrong with that? No, I'm just, am I the crazy one? What was that? It's an impression, something from a thing. Yeah, that you wouldn't know about one second. Sending you a picture, I think you need to see. Okay? I mean, sure, let me know when you say it stop. Don't send me that just a little bug that's on your skin, that's Is there a bug in the bug? Is there a bug in the bug? No, that's a picture of the bug. That's its mouth, all the little feelers and the pinchers and everything on it. It's crazy that that thing exists. You don't know it's there, and it's probably right now, like, in your butt hole, or between your teeth or on your toes or something like that. You picked probably the three worst places. And it's, well, yeah, I'm thinking of where, like, Where would I if I was a bug? Or would I really want to be in the dirty spots? You know, so like, but that you don't feel it moving,

Arden Benner 50:34
yeah, I don't understand. It's like, where their own little universe? That's

Scott Benner 50:38
right, you're, you're the universe, one of those little bugs. It's like, when does it end again? The are there bugs living on those bugs? Because I'm, I'm the earth version of this. Yeah, you're a little bug living on the Earth. Yeah, crazy. There can't be bugs living on the bugs, right? Because we'd see it with the microscope, wouldn't

Arden Benner 50:58
we? No, it's probably not strong enough. There probably is bugs living on the bugs. Wait, are there bugs? It just, it's just, literally, it never stops. But if you got reincarnated as this bug,

Scott Benner 51:10
I mean, it might be relaxing. Oh no. I was listening to an interview today about somebody making French fries, and I was like, That, sounds like a nice, relaxing job. Okay, so can I said, Are there bugs living on the little bugs that live on humans? Yes, there can be bugs that live on the bugs that live on humans. This is part of the concept known as hyper para Wait, hyper parasitism, where parasites themselves have parasites, in the context of

Arden Benner 51:40
Yeah, and so on and so forth. And this never ends well, this is why it's like, what like, we know about our universe, but what about other universe? Like, it's not crazy to think that there's like, other stuff, viruses

Scott Benner 51:53
are alive, right? Yeah. Or what about like, how, like, the coral reef is alive, or whatever. It feels like a apartment complex of people who just needed a place to stay to me, and they just jump on like, right? Because the corporal reef is just living things that live on a rock, and then they die and leave their ex ex, those skeletons. Is that what it is? Man, I don't know. Okay, some people, by the way, argue that viruses are alive, but some people say they're not. They don't have cellular structure. They can't reproduce on their own. They have no metabolism. But the the argument for them is they can reproduce with help. There seems to be evolution, and they interact. Sounds like me, what sounds like you? They can reproduce with a little health, with a little help, no metabolism. Your metabolism is pretty good, don't you think, yeah, it's average. A coral reef is primarily made up of living corals and calcium carbonate, which is like limestone structures that they produce. But where do they start from? Like, where do they start

Arden Benner 52:52
from? Where does anything start from? That has been my question since I can remember, there's living organisms, like coral. That's why like, even like, I'll hear about other people is like, like, all these different religions or whatever that people believe. And I'm like, This is great. This might be true, I don't know. But where does your thing start from? How did that come about? And then we just kind of look at each other, and we don't have the answer, yeah, because I know it didn't just pop out of thin air. That's not how that works.

Scott Benner 53:23
Well, there's, I mean, what are the I

Arden Benner 53:27
just don't understand how anything was made. Anything at all. I don't get it.

Scott Benner 53:32
So what are we looking for common thoughts about, like, how the planet began?

Arden Benner 53:36
No, don't even look that up. It's so deep. It's just because, like, think about it like this, like, we're made, okay? Our parents make us. We're all these different cells put together. But before humans existed, or whatever, there's like plants, but then plants are made from something. Something's made from something else. Everything's made from something, right? Everything's made up of something. But how does the first thing get made? How does anything exist? Yeah, how is how does space exist? Because space is made up of things too. What come first the chicken or the egg? Yeah. So how does space exist? But then, if there is no space, what is there? Because even when there is nothing, nothing is something. Because I was

Scott Benner 54:18
going to say, maybe it's even like the way the coral reef started, right? Like, stuff just congregates in one place, then keeps building. But where did that come that stuff get there, right? Yeah, you should see the extensive, like, amount of information that's coming back from my question, yeah, because

Arden Benner 54:33
it's probably, like, the greatest question in the world. Like, how, how do

Scott Benner 54:38
we? There are several widely accepted scientific theories and concepts about the beginning of planet Earth and the formation of the solar system, the solar nebula hypothesis, the formation of Earth, the cooling and solidification of Earth, the Haden effect. Hayden eon, the first few 100 million years of Earth's existence are known as the Hayden eon. On a period marked by extreme heat, widespread volcanic activity, frequent collisions with other space debris. It was chaotic. It's fine, but where did all that come from? Well, then I, at the very end of all this, I asked the other the follow up question, where did the material for that come from? It says, And it said, Man, I don't know. The material that formed Earth and the rest of the solar system came from the remnants of earlier cosmic events, particularly from the death of pre previous generations of stars. But

Arden Benner 55:26
where do the stars come from? But where did that come from? Like we could just keep going forever, right? Doesn't make any sense. Well,

Scott Benner 55:33
I mean, it does make sense. It just you don't know where it came from. Don't you want to know? So bad. I mean, I'd like to know. Oh, that is my biggest question. So the big bang theory is the beginning of the observable universe 13 point 8, billion years ago. So I think the idea is that what we're able to know is how far back we're able to look, and that's based on how strong our telescopes are. Yeah, because, what's happening to us right now is the end of some reaction or action that happened at the beginning. So wherever the beginning was, there was a beginning that it all just kind of moved out in 360 degrees. When

Arden Benner 56:14
you look into space, you can, you can see like in the past, or you can see, like, what's going to happen in the future, or something, right?

Scott Benner 56:20
You can see what's coming. Yeah, so crazy. That makes no sense at all. Singularity. That's

Arden Benner 56:26
why, when people ask the question, if you could have they're like, Oh, you can have dinner with one person, dead or alive. I always say, like, whoever it is that, like, knows where everything started. Whoever that person is, that's the person you're looking for. That is the person I want to talk to. So there are obviously limits to our current knowledge about this, but this is pretty awesome. You should go to chat GPT and ask this question. Do you know in second grade, we had to write, we're supposed to write an essay on anything we wanted. And I asked my teacher if I could write it on like that. I was like, I don't understand where we come from. And she's like, let's take a new topic.

Scott Benner 56:59
How about cats? Do you like kittens? They're very Yeah,

Arden Benner 57:03
actually, I ended up, I ended up writing a story about how a dog got hit by a car. Did you that's

Scott Benner 57:07
what you went to? Yeah, you are now, think we're getting the answer to this one. I know it's so annoying. It's my it's my biggest mystery, interesting. I think some people are just gonna say, like, like, I think that if

Arden Benner 57:19
you were in a situation where you were murdered, and I didn't know who murdered you, and I was someone said, I can either tell you who murdered your father, or I can tell you how everything was created. I I'm sorry, but

Scott Benner 57:30
you're already dead. So yeah, so you know, whatever, even if you were to say, I think God made all of this, that's cool. Where did he? Where did he come or she? Where did they come from? Then? Yeah, exactly. I see your point. You can't just like God, like no God, have little bugs living on his skin.

Arden Benner 57:52
If I was God, I would make sure no bugs lives on my skin. All right, let's stop there. Be like, you know what? Let's not, let's not have that.

Scott Benner 58:01
All right, well, let's stop there. I think we've done a great job today. I hope people stuck the John Mulaney reading, because it was definitely worth it. I appreciate doing this with you. I like getting together once a week while you're away at school. I think this is pretty awesome. I'm getting nice feedback about the podcast from

Arden Benner 58:16
people. Whoever gives you the bad feedback, give me their number. I'll talk to Yeah. What are you gonna say to them recently, it was, it's for when I have to talk to them. Oh, I just logged wait. Recently there was bad feedback. No, recently

Scott Benner 58:27
there was great feedback about the money episode.

Arden Benner 58:31
A money episode, yeah, we talked honestly. I can't lie. I don't know what you're talking

Scott Benner 58:35
about. Oh, that's awesome. Do you know when Isabelle and I just talked about this last night? She's like, do you think you'll ever I literally do

Arden Benner 58:42
so much stuff here, like, I don't know what we've talked about. I know we talked about Bridget Mendler, and I know that's where my knowledge ends.

Scott Benner 58:49
We've talked about internal monolog, money, fingernails, what blind people see? Why don't people get sarcasm? Bridget Mendler, and today we did. Why is laughter, yawning, coughing, etc, contagious? I remember

Arden Benner 59:03
the what blind people see thing pretty well. I remember a little bit of the fingernails, because I just, like, wished you would stop using big words, but that's about

Scott Benner 59:11
it. I just logged online to see where I don't see it here, but what popped up in front of me is there's a person in the private Facebook group that's celebrating their five, five, a, 1c, they're super excited. So that's awesome. But there were people who were who liked the money episode a lot that you and I talked

Arden Benner 59:28
about, I wish I remembered it. I couldn't. I can't tell you you didn't listen. What was

I don't listen to those

anyway, that brought supposed to listen to myself. Yeah, I had the conversation, I know.

Scott Benner 59:40
But people come to me and they ask me about what happened on episodes, and I'm like, I say the same thing. I'm like, I don't know. Like, I talk about it, and then I ship this off to an editor. So I don't I used to at least do the editing myself, so I would get to hear the conversation again six months later. And then when it went up, when it went up, then people. Asked me a question. I'm like, Oh, I just heard this last week, because I was you

Arden Benner 1:00:03
asked me what I learned in class today, and it took me a while to, like, I only retrieved like, one thing of what I learned. Like, I don't know. Yeah, that's a lot to ask. You. Think

Scott Benner 1:00:11
people learn while they're sleeping? Like, is that possible? We'll figure that out a later date. Nevermind. All right, and we and that's, I have to pee so bad. Go P we're done. Okay, bye. Anyway,

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