#682 Charlotte Drury

Yea, that Charlotte Drury. The one who got type 1 diabetes a month before her Olympic trials.

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Scott Benner 0:00
Hello friends, and welcome to episode 682 of the Juicebox Podcast

I think we can all agree that there's never a great time to be diagnosed with diabetes, but one month before the Olympic trials, that's really bad timing. And that's exactly what happened to today's guest, Charlotte Drewery. I know you think I'm gonna have her on here and talk about all her Olympic hopes and trampoline and everything. And sure we'll get all that but I actually invited Charlotte on because of something I saw her going through on Instagram. While you're listening today, please remember that nothing you hear on the Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice, medical or otherwise, always consult a physician before making any changes to your health care plan, or becoming bold with insulin. A if you're a US resident Charlotte or with the Olympics us you know us if you're a US resident who has type one diabetes, or is the caregiver of someone with type one, please go to T one D exchange.org. Ford slash juice box right now and take the survey. When you do you'll be helping people with type one diabetes and supporting the Juicebox Podcast. I have to tell you, I thought Charlotte and I got along famously, I actually think we're friends now.

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Charlotte Drury 2:10
I am Charlotte. I obviously have type one diabetes, and I'm here today to just chat.

Scott Benner 2:16
Cool. Well, it's not that obvious. I talked to a lot of people who don't have diabetes, they end up being caregivers but I take your point. Let me tell you about how I spent the five minutes before you came on. I'm your name breaks my brain the way Charlotte is spelled versus I agree how I hear it my head. And I had never considered it before sitting down. I was like, her name is Charlotte, Charlotte lot. And then I got Lou and

Charlotte Drury 2:46
every Starbucks barista has had that exact same revelation.

Scott Benner 2:49
Well, then I got lost in it. And then I was looking at your last name. And I'm like, Oh my God, our last name is weird, too. So now I'm just sitting here, staring at the screen going Charlotte Drewery Drewery, Charlotte, and I was like, oh my god, I sounds like

Charlotte Drury 3:06
if you put my name and did Google Translate and you got like the exact pronunciation of each phonetic letter.

Scott Benner 3:12
Exactly. That's exactly right. Because when I think of it, your name Charlotte. And I don't consider how Drewery is, is spelled. And then the more I said Drewery I started saying it wrong. And then I freaked myself out. I stopped thinking about it. So

Charlotte Drury 3:29
then the entire word itself lost its meaning and then you question the meaning of life and yeah,

Scott Benner 3:34
where do you I fell down that sort of like bizarre psychedelic rabbit hole. I was like, her name doesn't make sense. But anyway, great. Marry a guy named Smith one day or something. I think you could really straight this whole problem out. Perfect. How old are you, Charlotte?

Charlotte Drury 3:52
I am 25. But I'll be 26 in two weeks. Oh, happy

Scott Benner 3:56
birthday. Thanks. And then you're gonna see me writing. I don't usually do video with most people. So now Charlotte's watching me to make the podcast and I'm suddenly aware of myself,

Charlotte Drury 4:05
making them very nervous. And in fact, that actually brought a magnifying glass. So I will be holding that up the whole time. I know you guys are listening. You can't tell but I'm just worried. I have I have this unlocked.

Scott Benner 4:15
I'm just thrilled. You don't know where my hairline used to be? You have nothing. You have no perspective. So you're 26 How old were you? 26 and two weeks. How old were you when you were diagnosed?

Charlotte Drury 4:28
I was 24. But it was about almost exactly a year ago.

Scott Benner 4:32
Okay, so you've only had diabetes for about a year. diagnosed. All right. Interesting. So when you first started thinking something was wrong, what were your symptoms?

Charlotte Drury 4:45
Um, well, I've been an athlete my whole life. And I was just kind of used to a certain level of performance. And over like the last or not the last year I guess starting two years ago, I kind of started noticing a decline in training and it was just So sudden and really hard to keep up and, you know, chalk it up to the pandemic and just stress in general. And then after about a year of that, noticing that I just felt couch lock fatigue, moody, unhappy. I didn't notice that like dry mouth having to go to the bathroom all the time, until looking back on it, because I just assumed that I was working out so much that I was really dehydrated. But yeah, those were really my main symptoms, and it was really just falling behind in sport.

Scott Benner 5:32
Okay. I guess when you perform at a higher level, was it obvious sooner than you think if it was just you, like, you know, not able to walk your 30 minutes on the treadmill, like after work like most of us attempt to do, but you know,

Charlotte Drury 5:47
I do. And I don't, I think it's kind of a double edged sword of, because I was working out so much and performing at such a high level, my body kind of kept this level of fitness, throughout the physical decline that diabetes was getting or untreated diabetes was causing. And then the other side of that is that I think I might have not noticed at all. Or notice the physical decline if I wasn't trying to push myself so hard. So it was like maybe I just was able to push myself harder for longer.

Scott Benner 6:18
Do you think your body was at a level where even though the decline was significant? You were able to kind of power past it? Yeah, and definitely. And that's the

Charlotte Drury 6:27
mentality of elite sport. I think it's like, Oh, you don't feel good. Try harder.

Scott Benner 6:33
Yeah, I know my son wants. He plays baseball in college. He wants twisted his ankle, it was purple, and twice the size it should be. And he says to me, I think if I wrap this I can play.

Charlotte Drury 6:44
Oh, yeah. I totally hear that. I broke my ankle. And I still tried to compete.

Scott Benner 6:50
Like I say, I said, I don't think we're going to do that as the one we're gonna we get this fixed up first. But it's yeah, it's also tough, because you spend so much time I think people probably think about it much. But you know, the performance of your sport, or the, you know, or the game, whatever it ends up being is such a small percentage of the actual time you spend working towards it. And, you know, it's hard to it's hard to give that away, when you've put nine months or a year into this idea that you're going to play in a nine inning baseball game. 50 Oh, my

Charlotte Drury 7:24
God. Yeah. Preaching to the choir. Like, my routines. So for trampoline, because I'm a trampoline. It's my routines are 20 seconds. And I trained from when I was three years old in gymnastics to make it to an Olympic Games, where you compete for 20 seconds,

Scott Benner 7:40
right? Did you ever think about it cognitively as it was coming up? Like what am I doing? Oh, yeah. Like, because if we put this in other context, you would not do this?

Charlotte Drury 7:53
Literally not? Absolutely not. Are you like, I mean, I have to like, look at myself in the mirror and be like, You're crazy. What what are you thinking?

Scott Benner 8:05
I'm going to ask you later about because I am interested in what drives you to make a decision like that and to stick with it. But okay, so you have this this. This kind of left down of your physical performance? Do you end up going to a doctor? Do you tell a parent a coach, how do you proceed?

Charlotte Drury 8:20
Yeah, I went to my doctor because we, I had attended a national team training camp. And it was like our first camp back since pandemic, it was supposed to like kick off the year leading into the Olympics. And I just was getting my ass kicked I junior athletes that were doing better than me and couldn't get through teams that could do anything. I was absolutely miserable. And on the way home, I was like this is beyond just being mentally burned out. This is beyond just falling behind and getting older and really hard sport. Something's wrong with me. Like I fully had that penny drop moment of something is wrong. I don't know what it is, but something's wrong. So as soon as I got home, I landed, I called my doctor. She ordered some bloodwork got it done right away. And then she called me that evening, and was like, surprised. Do you have diabetes?

Scott Benner 9:14
No, I don't. Because Wilford Brimley has diabetes, and I'm not like him at all. And I don't understand this unless you have it in your family.

Charlotte Drury 9:22
No, nobody, not a single person. My little sister does have celiac. So that is the autoimmune kind of similar, or like,

Scott Benner 9:31
yeah, no, I was gonna ask you in a second if there's any autoimmune in your family. So trust me. Yeah, that's the really the only thing Okay, no, thyroid, anywhere. Nope. Here's one. I liked it.

Charlotte Drury 9:42
Like, I think maybe like a cousin has a thyroid thing.

Scott Benner 9:47
That counts. Okay, cool. It counts. Yes. There's like an aunt like after Christmas dinner runs to the bathroom for like a half hour stomach gets upset anything like that? I don't think so. A lot of times, it's still There's people have celiac, they just don't know they do. Really? Yeah. And it's just they think they say things like, Ah, my stomach doesn't like me like, Okay, does that

Charlotte Drury 10:09
also doesn't like me, but that could have been the bagel and ice cream and pizza.

Scott Benner 10:14
Yeah. It's interesting. You said about getting older when you're young because you're you're 24. At that point, you're like, maybe I'm just getting older. Again, my son said to me, this spring is a spring training was getting going. He's the senior. I said, How's it going? He goes, I feel old. And I was like, yeah, he goes, he's like, like, the rust is breaking off, and I'll be okay. But he all he did was lift through the offseason and hit, you know, inside. And he just said, he's like, I just, I see some of these younger kids rolling around. And they just, they don't show up, like creaky the next day, like I do. And it took them a couple of weeks. And he sprung back. But he's like, I feel old. It was weird to hear a person say that to me.

Charlotte Drury 10:54
I mean, that was like, fully my mentality in that year of training, undiagnosed, was, Oh, I'm just past my peak. Oh, bummer. I'm just not that good anymore. And given a little bit more time being healthy, I think I totally would have gotten back to 100% been, like back to fighting for him. But by the time I was diagnosed, it was only a couple of weeks until Olympic trials and a couple of months until the Olympics, so it really wasn't enough time to kind of start up and build all that strength back that I had lost in the last year. It did my best, but definitely a lot of it came back, but not all of it, which is kind of a bummer. But

Scott Benner 11:38
I hear you. Yeah, listen, I just, it's hard. I just had to have knee surgery because I woke up one day and my knee hurts. So don't complain. I wasn't bouncing on anything. So you, you get this news from the doctor? Are you training somewhere alone? Are you living at home? Or are you near family or friends?

Charlotte Drury 11:58
No, I was actually just living with my partner. And my parents had left and moved out of state like two days before I was diagnosed. So it was really just me and my partner. And then obviously, my support system in the gym, which is my coach and teammates and stuff. But through the pandemic. I mean, I was training by myself. So it was just my coach and I. So my circle was really small.

Scott Benner 12:20
So what does your I mean, how do you know what your blood sugar was when that bloodwork went back?

Charlotte Drury 12:26
My agency was 14.6. I don't know exactly what my blood sugar was in that moment. But I do remember pricking my finger like right after I was diagnosed like a couple of times, and it being in the six hundreds.

Scott Benner 12:38
Yeah, that's crazy. You mentioned that it's possible that it was going on for longer than you knew. Looking back, what do you think was going on?

Charlotte Drury 12:47
So I had suffered a couple of injuries in the late months of 2019. And they were nothing major major. I mean, I guess one of them was pretty major had a really, really bad concussion that, you know, took me out of school to get a training. And that took a super long time to heal. The same thing is like I had a tear in one of the ligaments on the top of my foot. And it just was not healing, it was an injury that should have taken, you know, a month to kind of clear up. And it took three, four or five months before I felt like it was like anywhere near normal again. So I was healing really slow, which looking back. That was before I was even having a like tangible decline in performance and sport performance. But my body was just struggling, I think.

Scott Benner 13:39
Yeah, no, it's completely. I mean, there are people who, I mean, some people have Lada, you know, type one and a half, and it takes years and years and years of like this slow, slow decline. And, you know, it's not, it's not crazy. I mean, still a quick onset with type one is common, right? And quick, could be a couple of months or, you know, etc. But I hear you it happens so slow, and you don't see it happening, you know, what was the Yeah, and

Charlotte Drury 14:04
you just explain it away. You know, you just, you just come up with all the reasons of why you're fine. Like, it takes a lot to get to that tipping point to think oh, you know, maybe something's wrong.

Scott Benner 14:19
Well, my daughter was two and she was diagnosed. And she had just switched from bottles. So when she would have these incredibly heavy diapers, we'd be like, Wow, because because she's drinking so much with our cups, like we were, we were proud of her. Right. And thinking, oh God, where we like where she dehydrated before because look how much she's drinking now and you just, you're just not Yeah, exactly. You explain it away. Yeah. Because surely they think it would be a long unhappy life. If everything that happened your brain ran to you know, I probably have diabetes, or oh my god, right. You know what, this probably is arm cancer. You know, like, it's like, you know, like so like, I think it's a it's a protective measure. In some ways. It just ends up in this scenario becomes dangerous if you don't pay attention to it. What? What if any technology do you leave the diagnosis with?

Charlotte Drury 15:10
So I walked out of the doctor's office with a long acting insulin. That was it. Oh, no Anna and a finger prick her finger meter. I call it my finger picker. I don't think that's actually what

Scott Benner 15:21
it's called. Call whatever you want. I don't care. So you're just left with like a Basal insulin? Do they give you nice syringes?

Charlotte Drury 15:30
Or a pen? They gave me a pen and a sample of four needle heads.

Scott Benner 15:36
Okay. And let's just call it your picker. And but a meter, you gotta meter and test strips got a meter? And yeah, and a way to make a hole on your finger. Yep, actually got three things. You got test strips. That's the picker part is a picker, which I think is called a lance. Yeah,

Charlotte Drury 15:53
I agree. Since I was learning so much at the time.

Scott Benner 15:57
Charlotte agrees I've made it it's called Lance. Why thank you. How benevolent

Charlotte Drury 16:03
petition to change it to prickers. I just there was so much to remember at that time. And I think whenever I needed my picker, it was I was either low or really high, my brain wasn't working. And I would just point and be like, I mean, I need I need the pricking thing.

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it stuck well also, I mean, I guess not for nothing, not the diabetes doesn't invade everyone's life and put your real life on hold for a minute, but your real life was you thought you were going to be in the Olympics, right? Yeah. So it wasn't like you couldn't go to English. And you were like, Yeah, let's make that up next semester. So you have like, your big time constraint, lifelong pursuits. That somebody's like, hey, guess what? Those 20 seconds you've been praying for me? Yeah, maybe not. And so maybe not. Yeah. And that's in your head, too. Did you then what did they do give you you have to make an appoint with an endo. Because, I mean, you're just doing Basal. You weren't Bolus. Yeah, it

Charlotte Drury 21:06
was honestly like a disaster at the start, like so because I'd seen like, I saw my primary care and she's fantastic. I've seen her my like whole life. And she was like, You need to come into the office first thing in the morning. There's like an endos office connected to my primary care office. So I went into there, but the endo was like, you know, booked out for months, and you can't get an appointment. She literally just walked me into the office and the nurse educator or nurse practitioner or some somebody in the office was just like, oh, okay, like, well, here's some insulin, take 10 units prick your finger. By

Scott Benner 21:44
you've had it for a year. Now you realize that's plenty of information. You're fine. Yeah, no, I'm fine. I'm doing good. See what happens and listen, if you faint. Get your printer and get your progress your blood? How long? How long did you live like that?

Charlotte Drury 22:01
It was only it was a week. So I think that was maybe like a Monday. And then the office? And like, Go, Dr. PERIES. My primary care. She was like, No, you're gonna get her in this week. You are going to get her in. Yeah. And the office was like, well, we'll try. We'll try. And she. I was literally in the doctor's office that morning. Sobbing and then they brought her in because I was so emotionally distraught. And she was like, You're gonna be okay, it's gonna be fine. And she looks at the nurse in the room. And she goes, you're gonna get her in and just like death stares her. And then it's like, well, we'll try it. And she goes, No, you're gone. Get her

Scott Benner 22:42
to kill her on your side once. And I was like just just shriveled up in a corner. Like, yeah, yeah, no.

Charlotte Drury 22:54
I think I was like, snuck in on like, a Friday. So it was maybe like five days of me just try not to eat a carb, and learn as much as I can and reach out to anybody in the world that I know that has type one. Yeah. And yeah, I mean, that first week, those first two weeks and even after seeing the endo for the first time, he just upped my basil and actually still didn't prescribe me a fast second insulin. And it wasn't until I think the following week that I was doing like virtual appointments with the nurse educator in the office where they teach you everything. And she was like, you really need a fast acting insulin. I was like, I don't know a lot. But I know you're right. I heard that. So she called the doctor. And then then he prescribed it. And then I got it. And then I got started on it. And that's when I really started to feel better and

Scott Benner 23:41
get directions from them about how to use it, or were you figuring it out online? Or?

Charlotte Drury 23:46
Um, she did give me some directions, but I was so confused. Again, horrible, really horrible. Oh, my God, she doesn't

Scott Benner 23:57
know let's get better at your job. Have some pride

Charlotte Drury 24:01
honestly do better. Um, no, I was like, trying to figure it out online. But again, all those words are new, and everything's just so new. I really just needed somebody to very simply break it down for me. And she was the nurse educator was really cautious and telling me this or that or this or that? Because diabetes is so personal, which it absolutely is, once you have it figured out. But there are some like baseline rules. You just kind of need to know,

Scott Benner 24:32
Charlotte, I have a series that must be over 40s It's got to be over 40 episodes long. Now. There's basically five to 10 minute episodes that are called defining diabetes. It's every term that you hear. And it's not. It's not read to you like out of a definition. You know, like here it is from the it's Look, here's Bolus. This is what Bolus means. Here's what it means. Technically, here's what it's gonna mean in your life every day. It's a fun, you know, I pride myself on making the Very listenable diabetes content. And so it's a fun conversation where when you end it you go I know what Basal means now. I know what yeah, you know, the K means now like, because to your point people are yelling a bunch of words that you know, context for them whatsoever that and you're scared. Yeah. And your blood sugar's probably still vacillating all over the place, and your life is changed irreparably. And you're worried about your 20 seconds. And you know, like, like, every other thing that happens, I, if it makes you feel better when my daughter, my daughter was diagnosed, a nurse came in the room, fourth day, I think, and said that they were going to teach us how to count carbs. And then she started adding fractions, and I just, I just started crying. Like, like, just like crying, and my wife goes, you're gonna need to come back and she left the room and one of the only times Charlotte, your youngster, but one of the only times my wife's been nice to me, like the last 30 years, and she turned to me, she goes, you're okay, you know how to add fractions. And I said, I'm gonna kill her. That's what's gonna win. And I didn't mean the nurse. I met my daughter. I meant I'm gonna mess this math up. I'm gonna kill her. I know I am. That's what it felt like, in the moment. Yeah, I lost the ability to add fractions because of the pressure. And in some ways, this podcast exists because I don't count carbs. And I don't do things the way other people do. And, you know, inside of this podcast is how we my daughter's a one C is, you really don't know this podcast. I know. My daughter is a once he has been from five, two to six, two for eight years. Wow. Any diet restrictions. I know how to use insulin, and I know how to talk about it. I just don't know how to count carbs and add fractions when you need.

Charlotte Drury 26:49
Tough. I remember that day in fourth grade vividly. Yeah,

Scott Benner 26:52
was terrible. And Mr. Chabot? Let me be honest with you. While we're calling people out. Mr. Cicala, my fourth grade teacher was a horror, okay. He hated me. I know he did. I know you're allowed to hate children. You just don't talk about it. This man did not like me whatsoever. Thought I was sarcastic. I was probably a little fat kid, which, you know, in this in the seven days, and I kind of get any respect there. There's no like personal choice. But I've done. It's not like that's the body's comfortable in there like Scott, stop eating, you know, a shame the four year old for certain, right? And so every Friday, he'd give a math test. And it was 100 quick questions, where he you'd take a piece of paper was one to 100, a little pencil, and he'd go two times three, and you had to write six and move to line two, because he was already saying five times eight. And they were simple.

Charlotte Drury 27:40
I would get this is when you discovered what anxiety was,

Scott Benner 27:43
I would get most of them wrong. And then what would happen is you had to write each 110 times over the weekend. So my entire weekend was spent writing out 1000s of multiplication things over and over again, while my parents yelled at me. Like, how could you not understand three times five is like, well, I know it now that you're saying it, you know, and like and so I think he enjoyed torturing me. I don't even remember why we're talking about that anymore. But

Charlotte Drury 28:10
I would agree with that. We're unpacking childhood trauma. We're here we're here for at all

Scott Benner 28:14
can I tell you? He's probably dead. And I'm okay with it.

Unknown Speaker 28:20
C'est la vie.

Scott Benner 28:21
Were there were people who loved them. But he was very mean to me and I don't have any I have no remorse.

Charlotte Drury 28:26
You know what? He wronged you? And that's okay. You can you can feel what you feel

Scott Benner 28:30
sure you have no idea how bad I am with names. That I know that man's odd last name still means he really? He tortured me? Yeah,

Charlotte Drury 28:38
you're gonna remember it for the rest of your life.

Scott Benner 28:39
So anyway, so sorry, let us just segue away from that. Because you're on the podcast. I don't imagine you know why you're on the podcast. I know why you're on. And it's not because just to let people know to talk about me again in fourth grade when you all send me emails a year ago, you should get Charlotte Drury on the podcast. She just got diabetes. She's trying to be in the Olympics. You make me not want to do it when you do that. I don't like doing what everybody else is doing. It makes me uncomfortable. Because all I can think I everyone's going to interview this Charlotte girl. And I don't want to just be like it'll get lost in the mix. I'm like, No. So you weren't on a year ago because of the people who wrote me to ask to have you on. I know it's backwards. You're on today. I'll get a list of their names. Yeah, you will you should exact your retribution to as I've done just now with Mr. Cipolla. There's a strong possibility you're episode's going to be called Mr. Scola, by the way,

Charlotte Drury 29:36
support that through and through. In fact, I think we should trademark his name and started.

Scott Benner 29:42
Yeah, I want to make money off his ass. That's a good idea.

Charlotte Drury 29:46
So in your trauma dollars,

Scott Benner 29:48
the reason I reached out to you is because somebody tagged me in something on Instagram, and I got to watch you have a difficult moment in public. And I saw you You like every other person with diabetes and not like a bouncy girl? Or like, I don't mean to be like derivative. You know what I mean? I'm sure what you do is really cool. I do I do. But I wanted to talk to you about that. That's why I asked you on why it took me 25 minutes to get to it. There's no way to know because we took the witness a long road, we've been chatting, and I have not even asked you yet about what you think of those kids on tick tock, who bounce hundreds of feet in the air in their backyard trampolines. As I walk in and go, That kid's gonna die. That kid's gonna die. like maniacs they're gonna die, right? Yeah. Yeah, let's get away from that. Seriously, if no one's seen those videos, you have to find them. But that's not what I'm talking about. Like they literally I mean, am I wrong? Are they going 50 100 feet in the air?

Charlotte Drury 30:48
easily, easily. They're insane.

Scott Benner 30:51
And there's other spinning the entire time. Yeah, they do more

Charlotte Drury 30:55
flips and like one bounce than I do. And like for sometimes,

Scott Benner 30:59
I don't even understand how they're not dead when they just hit the trampoline. Because I

Charlotte Drury 31:04
also agree with that. I genuinely am baffled by those kids. They are maniacs. I think they were born with rubber bones. I and like, God bless them the day their prefrontal cortex fully develops, and they realize what they've been doing for the last 15 years has been insane.

Scott Benner 31:20
I blame the drugs, Charlotte, I don't know. I don't know how you would do. I mean, I'm being honest. Okay, so can you tell me a little bit about like, I think you did. I'm not the social media maven that maybe I should be. But I feel like you were just asking questions of people and having conversations through Instagram. But what led you to that that moment?

Charlotte Drury 31:46
Yeah, I think. So I actually did talk about this a lot with some people that are really close in my life, and then with a bunch of people on social media have. I've been diagnosed for a year now. And in my head, that kind of feels like a long time. But with diabetes, you know, you're looking at the rest of your life. The year is such a, it's a fraction of the rest of your life. And it was really hitting me that I was having all of these like identity changes of oh my god, I've always classified myself as a healthy person. Am I a healthy person? Am I an able bodied person? Am I capable person? Am I an independent person, all these things that I valued. And for like a solid week, I just slowly started having this unraveling this like slow brewing meltdown. And then one night, it was like, maybe 10 o'clock at night, and I'm in bed, and I'm just like sobbing, and having this meltdown. And it all being diabetes related and diabetes focused, and not knowing who to talk to you about it. And then I was like, well, there's actually like, 1000s of people that I can talk to about it right now. And selfishly, I really need support. So I posted it on my story. And I was just asking for support. I said I was struggling, what helps you when you guys are struggling, and it was just a q&a. And I got 1000s of messages in reply that were so kind and thoughtful and helpful. And I felt seen, I felt validated. I had new ways of thinking and people were shifting my perspective. And because they were so insightful, and a couple of people in those questions had asked if I could also share them because they were also struggling. So I was like, what a great opportunity to now share these answers with everybody else that's also here in this community. And so I did and it was like a really cathartic experience. It took me a good 24 hours to be able to go through and read all the questions without just crying the whole time. Because again, I was really fragile in the moment. And they were really helpful. They were hitting the nerves that were raw. And it was nice, and I was everybody always talks about, you know, you need your community and you need the diabetes community to kind of prop you up when you're feeling a little weak or a little shaky. And they were right. I mean, I felt really not better. I felt better, not fixed. Obviously not completely through that like slump, I'm still definitely in it, but a lot better. And I think after that day, I started to kind of get out of that burnout, depressive, not depression, because it's not depression right now. But the depressive slip like slope.

Scott Benner 34:30
So I mean, it caught my attention because I mean, surely I don't have diabetes. I should knock on wood because I'm probably gonna die. I mean, it's gonna be iron. It's gonna have to follow me at some point, right? I'm gonna have to climb on here one day be like, okay, it happened. But for the moment I don't. I make this podcast because my daughter is who's 18 In a couple of weeks, has had it since she was two. I started writing a blog before blogs were a thing. It helped people and I liked that it help people. At some point, I recognize that it was all raw nerve blogging, I was just like something would happen. And I would write about it, and people would come in and go, that happens to me too. And then it would make them feel better that it happens to someone else. I saw the value in it. But there was just one day where I thought, like, my conscious thought was, it's nice to know you're not alone at 2am, right? Even though you're alone in your home, even though you're alone in your home, somewhere, countless people are up going, Oh, my blood sugar's low, and they're drinking a juice or they're worried or they're eating their kitchen or whatever, there's comfort in that. And I started thinking, it's not enough to just offer comfort, like, what if we could stop them from being low at 2am? Like, how would that be? And so I started to focus the blog more about that. It's how it kind of ended up translating into the podcast. But as much as I could see the value in it through the blog, the podcast is by magnitudes, much bigger than than the pot than the blog ever was. And now I'm actually speaking to people. And it always strikes me because in my heart, the podcast is about management. But it's, it's not really. And it's got these facets that some of them I'm less aware of, because I don't have diabetes. But when people start coming on and tell these great stories, and they're sharing their lives, and at some point, I kind of ham fisted ly go. So how does the podcast help you? Because you know, I need my moment. You understand? Yeah, I mean, after you land on the trampoline, you stand there for a second because you're like, Yeah, someone ought to clap right now. And but anyway, but seriously, I try to what I really am trying to do is connect their stories to how the podcast helped them. So hopefully, it'll help somebody else. But, but the Joking aside, so many people say that it's the community aspect of the podcast, that's the most valuable part for them coming on every day and listening to someone else tell a story about their life. And I always knew it was important. I never could connect it completely. And so you had this opportunity. I assume your Instagram following grew mightily when you got to type one. Yeah, truly, now there's crazy community around type one diabetes that almost doesn't exist and other disease states. And so do you think? Do you think you'd still be in that space? If you didn't have those people to talk to?

Charlotte Drury 37:26
That's a really good question. Um, no. However, that's only because I have been through a lot in my life in sport, and with this diagnosis, and I have been forced to figure things out on my own before. And I am confident in my ability to figure things out and to get through things. However, did I arrive there a lot quicker and a lot more comforted and comfortable, because of the community. Absolutely. But I thoroughly believe that every single one of us as individuals, because we have to, can figure it out. However, we don't have to do it alone. We don't have to. And the fact that we have community makes it so much easier. And because all those people reached out and shared their their tidbits of information and what they've learned when they've been in these tough spots, probably by themselves as well. It just made it that much easier. They just showed me the way out.

Scott Benner 38:35
My Week is lining up so strangely. So you're 26. Last night, I interviewed a 26 year old girl who talked about how she had a very has an had a very tough life, and was not raised to find her way out of it. And she's doing it anyway. Right? She's finding these tools. And she's not just she's not just saying this is hard. Somebody helped me. She's figuring out how to help herself. And then she's dragging herself forward. And then looking ahead and figuring out the next thing and dragging yourself forward again. And I just had Sorry, I was just having this conversation like 16 hours ago with her about this thing. And then you said the same thing in a completely different way. Like we all have the capacity somehow and I think I'm looping in her story, which will come out much later than your so people won't have a lot of context. So I don't know what you want from me, but I just want to just hold it to you now. So it because it would be easy to look at you and go Oh, sure. The Olympic girl can do it. But I'm not that. Like I I think that sometimes like there's no reason I don't have a ton of famous people, as many as I could. Athletes, as many as I could, because they look like Superman sometimes. And you're like Oh yeah, sure. Superman dedic Great, what am I gonna do, you don't even like I can't jump up in the air. So like and, and at the same time, I think there's an amazing value in hearing that you a person who knows how to work really hard for something over extended amounts of time, which is a real skill. And a person who doesn't have nearly any of your conveniences, like, like coming up, how you both came to the same conclusion, you're gonna you're gonna get there differently with different ideas. But, I mean, it's just a very human idea. Like, we all can do something you don't I mean, and then wait and see what happens next, there's more, and there's more, and you could just kind of keep going. It's, you know, I mean, I don't know, I don't think of life as like a work to get to a party, I think of it is. Do my best today. So I'm gonna do my best tomorrow, you know, kind of thing? Yeah. Can you talk a little bit about what some of those people said that you found helpful in the moment?

Charlotte Drury 40:57
A lot of it that has stuck with me, especially even today of like, reframing how you think about what you're grateful for. Because everybody's always like, oh, make your gratitude list, you know, list five things that you're grateful for. And it's like, well, yeah, I'm grateful for five things, but I'm also really ungrateful for a lot of other things.

Scott Benner 41:18
My Netflix, being free is not overpowering the diabetes thing.

Charlotte Drury 41:24
Spring is not fixing the fact that my pancreas is broken, right? But it was reframe what it is you're grateful for. So you can hate this disease, but you can be grateful for life. Okay, I can do that. I am grateful for like, I am grateful for living, and I hate this disease. Another person wrote, whenever I start to really resent my broken pancreas, I start making a list out loud. And I list all the body parts that are working, and are doing their jobs, and that allow me to live my life. And so I also started doing that. And I say, thank you skin from for protecting me from the sun today. Thank you brain for helping me read this book today. Thank you eyes for working so well. Thank you nose for not being stuffy today. Like we should really think our noses more often for not being stuffy when they're not stuffy. And like, that was really impactful advice for me and putting gratitude in a lens that I felt like I could reach it in that moment.

Scott Benner 42:26
Can I ask you before you move on before you move on? Yeah, I don't want you to lose your place. But did you grow up in such a way where things worked out for you? No, no, the things work? Can you take take training out of it for a second? Did things just work out? Like the sofa was clean? The house was nice. Like that kind of stuff? Yeah. Right. Yeah. Expect and then you grew up. I know, this sounds crazy. I am really old when I say this. But the internet and cell phones change people's expectations of getting what they want when they want it. Like that idea. Like I think the example I used the other day talking to somebody is when you watch a TV show and you like I don't know who that is in the background. You just pause it, you look it up and like, oh, it's Joe Montana. Joe Montana is a character actor. And you and you know all about Joe Montana, his life at that point. Yeah, that happened to me when I was 26. I'd have to go to work and be like, Hey, have any of you ever seen this TV show? No. It's on Tuesdays at eight. If you could watch it, I just want to know who they like, there's no, like, I'm used to not getting the answers to my questions. And I grew up incredibly broke. I was used to things not going well. And I do wonder sometimes how that how that informs how I feel and what I do next, when things go wrong, because I almost expect things to go wrong. You know, and so when I do, I'm like, Okay, well, now we'll take care of this, you know, and anyway, but you also see you have this duality, where you grew up reasonably well. And at the same time, put yourself into something incredibly difficult. That was probably constantly knocking you down. Yes, yeah. Okay, so these both at the

Charlotte Drury 44:03
end of the day, I did have, you know, a safe, clean, happy home to always return to, right. Granted, I was there at night and sleeping, the majority of my day was in the gym, and the majority of my identities in the gym, but I always had a soft place to land. Right? So there's, there's that and that has definitely been formative to me in kind of giving me that like, underlying assumption that I'm always going to be okay. I will always figure it out. But I'm not scared that you know, I'm going to be on the streets or I'm not scared that my family is not going to be there for me one day, you know, like, I have that sense of strength and stability in my life that I'm so grateful for. But when it comes to sport, like oh my God, not a single thing, everyone right and this has been a therapy topic.

Scott Benner 45:00
Hey, you know, you just named your autobiography. Unless it's unless it's a like a colloquialism that people use that I've never heard before you just named your autobiography,

Charlotte Drury 45:09
a soft land, a soft place to land,

Scott Benner 45:13
see how it works? plane and then life? And I mean, I'm just saying it's a metaphor. It's all right. Honestly, yeah, I'm not even. I'm not even taking that for the title. Because that's for you. Although I would like to thank you at the end of the book, that's all

Charlotte Drury 45:29
you can be in the dedication.

Scott Benner 45:30
Yeah, that would be nice. Tell me about that, about putting yourself in terribly difficult situations on purpose. And then those situations torturing you. And you could just look at them and go, Hey, you know what, I'm not doing this anymore. But instead, you show back up every day and let it punch in the face again, what what's, what's wrong with you? Let's talk about what's wrong inside of your brain that you would put yourself through?

Charlotte Drury 45:56
I don't really have a good answer for that. Because I'm also like, Why did I do that? When I looked in the mirror in the morning, I was like, I am miserable. I hate this. This is horrible. Let's go to it. I think I think it was so ingrained in my identity of this is who I am. I am somebody who shows up. I am somebody who does the sport. I am somebody who does hard things. I said I was going to do this, and I'm going to see it through. Because I am somebody that sees things through. However, I have recently learned the value of quitting. And I have taken away the negative connotation that quitting has. And I think everybody should quit something in their life. And it's only just started to kind of unravel a little bit so that I can live a little bit of a softer, kinder, not so intense life. Yeah, I don't know. If you have an answer for me of where that came from, that would probably save you $1,000 in therapy. Well,

Scott Benner 46:57
listen, I don't know your parents, but that's where I would start and the let's skip past them for a minute. Are you incredibly competitive? I was yeah, I totally was more with yourself, or with the thing you were doing? Did you care more about the score? Or about doing it? Right?

Charlotte Drury 47:14
Doing it? Right? Yeah, my son. The thing is, is if I didn't write the score was good.

Scott Benner 47:18
So my son can leave a game that they lose nine to nothing, and have three good at bats and make a catch. And he'll be like I was I did perfect today. Like, you know, and he's more competitive with himself than he is. I think there's a world where my son could lose every baseball game he's ever been in, and still be somewhat fulfilled by it, although it would become a drudgery at some point. Right. But I'm always interested in that if people are like they do they want to win, or do they want to be good?

Charlotte Drury 47:49
Yeah, so I. So I think it's only slightly different because this is an individual sport, and the success or failure hinges solely on me and what I do

Scott Benner 48:02
same thing, so

Charlotte Drury 48:04
yeah, if I. Yeah. Yeah. So there's been times where I would have you know, won a competition but been a little bit disappointed that one thing didn't go right. And I would get hung up on that one thing. So I do think that it's definitely me being my biggest competitor.

Scott Benner 48:25
Are you a completionist? In other places? Do you start? Yeah. Do you start a movie that you don't like and watch the rest of it anyway?

Charlotte Drury 48:33
Do you know I don't like movies. That's a weird fact about me.

Scott Benner 48:36
That's okay. Pick something different puzzle book.

Charlotte Drury 48:40
Yes, I'll finish a book I don't like okay.

Scott Benner 48:43
All right. Well, here's the tough question. How old were you when you realize you didn't like is it tumbling? I'm sorry. This is the this is the thing. Everyone's gonna like the people who listen are not going to be surprised by this. But I told you right when we started, I'm gonna say something to you. You might find shocking. I don't know what sport you do.

Charlotte Drury 49:00
That's fair. I think that's refreshing. Also, it's trampling nobody knows what sport I'm doing.

Scott Benner 49:06
I figured it out as you were talking, but the first time you said it, I went Oh, okay. Cool. So we call trampoline trampoline. It's not trampolining.

Charlotte Drury 49:16
Correct. Correct. Trampoline is both a noun and a verb.

Scott Benner 49:19
Okay. And so let me ask you then How old were you the first time you realize you were better at it than other people your age?

Charlotte Drury 49:28
I'm on it. Honestly, like it took a really long time. I so I did artistic gymnastics from three till 13 Quit artistic gymnastics nursery thinks they're so burned out and realized that I wasn't gonna go to the Olympics for it. And I was like, that's not worth it. If I'm going to be working out five to eight hours a day to not go to the Olympics, that doesn't sound Sure. So quit that and then started trampling for fun, like, solely because they needed something to do I always think I carried that kind of like chip on my shoulder from artistic gymnastics of I'm not actually that good. I'm just kind of doing it. I'm not the best. I've never been the best. And so even when I was like, winning senior league nationals, and I was like, Oh, well, I'm just not, I'm not the best. Like, I am not the best. Maybe I won this competition, but I am not the best. So it took me like a really long time to even knowledge, the fact that I was really good at the sport.

Scott Benner 50:30
That's what keeps you going. That's why people who are good at things are good at them, though. Because they don't they don't sit back and rest. They don't they don't say, Oh, look how good I am. This is as good as I need to be at this is always something else. And something more and a fine tune here. Or you get to somewhere where it feels like a pinnacle. And you go, it's Pentacles not high enough. I'm going to tear this down. I'm going to tear it down and rebuild it again and start over and better the next time. I've watched my son tried to hit a baseball since he was three years old. I know what you're talking about. So it's exhausting. Yeah. And it's actually funny, because right now he's talking about going to grad school to keep playing. And I'm trying to find the words to say, Are you sure you want to do that? Before before? And I don't want to dissuade him if he really does want to do it, but and I but I it's a weird position to be in, right? Because I don't want to be the person that steps in and says, Hey, Charlotte, stop bouncing up and down on that thing. You got other things you could write, right? Because then you might stop and three years from now by like, this guy knew. Yeah, yeah, me stop doing this. And so I don't want to do that to my son. And at the same time, I don't want him to wake up five years from now and be in your position where you're like, Why the hell was I doing that for so long? You know, and especially when the when the payoff at the end? Is so unlikely to begin with. And but you were on it, like you were you were you really weren't right, you were headed to it? Is that right? Yeah. Do you think? So? Tell me that. So let's go back for a second you get diabetes? How far off are the Olympics at that moment?

Charlotte Drury 52:07
timewise. They're three months away three months

Scott Benner 52:09
away? Have you qualified? Are you trying to qualify?

Charlotte Drury 52:13
We still had all of the qualifiers to go through. So we had country qualification. So we still needed to compete at a World Cup to get the US spot. There were still that uncertainty. And then I still had three Olympic trials to compete at.

Scott Benner 52:27
Do you have any confidence that it would have gone your way?

Charlotte Drury 52:31
Had I not had diabetes? Yeah. Yes.

Scott Benner 52:34
Yeah, absolutely. Thank you, it would have worked out.

Charlotte Drury 52:37
Totally. And I mean, I do have like, you know, the evidence to support that as well. Because in 2020, before pandemic, and that season started in end of January, I think it was in February competed a World Cup. And I competed at a at the first Olympic trial of 2020. And knock those both out of the water, like I was in fighting for him. And I felt really good. And I for as tumultuous as my entire elite career has been, that was the first time where I was kind of having that thought, again, in a very long time of, I think this might work out, I think I can do this, it, it's right there. And I really didn't believe that I was going to get to that point again. Because also, my God, there's so much I mean, this Olympic cycle was really hard. The last Olympic cycle was worse. It was It destroyed me as a human being, I mean, just wrecked me, I was training for the 2016 Olympics. And I ended up breaking my foot the day before the last Olympic trial. So I had made it all the way up until that point training from three years old, to I was 20. And I survived a lifetime of training, just to literally break my foot the day before I was going to reach my goal. And I also kind of came in with a younger mentality, you know, I was 20 years old. And all I knew was this. So losing that, you know, my life is over. Not only is that I just lose the Olympics, I definitely lost my entire identity. So coming into this Olympics and getting diabetes, and seeing that decline and thinking that my grasp on the Olympics is going to be loosening and slowing down and I guess I'm losing it again. I wasn't as distraught by it, because I came in with a lot of a different mentality than I did in 2016. Because I saw how bad that destroyed me not making it and I wasn't really gonna let myself get back to that point.

Scott Benner 54:44
Have you made Have you met Kate Hall yet? No. Do you know who she is? No. Okay. So Kate is a long jumper. Who has type one? Who if I'm not mistake and blew up something in her leg right before the Olympics last time.

Charlotte Drury 55:05
The club no one wants to be in. Yeah.

Scott Benner 55:07
Kate Hall 2043 on Instagram. Okay, you guys might look her up, you might have a lot in common.

Unknown Speaker 55:15
That'd be the most depressing dinner party.

Scott Benner 55:18
Hey, Kate. Remember when the sadness washed over you? I do Charlotte. I remember the sadness. Should we get wine? Probably. How do you Bolus for wine? I don't know. If I want to jump off a bridge? Sure. So

Charlotte Drury 55:35
it'd be a soft place to land? Probably.

Scott Benner 55:40
Maybe, right. I mean, you you're, you probably there's probably a trampoline. Do you still? Do you work out at this point? Like just for personal fitness? Or how do you? How do you go backwards that far.

Charlotte Drury 55:55
It's only recently that I've started to even incorporate like physical activity into my life again. I definitely after I mean after 2016 as well. And after this past games, do that, like full pendulum rebound of working out all day long to absolutely doing nothing. And refusing to step in a gym and I don't think I'll ever stepped foot in a gym. Gym, not a gymnastics gym. I would love to go back and play around on a trampoline because I do love trampoline. I love bouncing. But will I go lift weights again? Probably not. But I do like to like, go out for walks. Maybe I'll jog for a little bit of it. Maybe I'll rent a little bit. Love bike riding. I love the like, lifestyle. Fitness, like the ways that I can incorporate activity and movement into just my life. Instead of having to carve out hours of my day to work out.

Scott Benner 56:54
If you haven't felt like this. Don't let me lead you there. But do you ever feel like a pawn in someone else's game? Like your college? Right? And I'm assuming they probably paid for a lot of it because you were you know, an athlete for them? Do you ever stop and look back and think nobody cares about my education? I'm just here because I can do trampoline. And because they can take pictures of me and put it on their social media and bring other kids in and go look bouncy girl, she's gonna go to the Olympics. Don't you want to get an English degree from us? Like like that? Does that? Does that? Did that happen? Did you think about that?

Charlotte Drury 57:28
I, I felt like that in a slightly different way. Because I did go to college. But it had nothing to do with trampoline, there was no trampoline program in college. So I was going to school and doing trampoline for the national team completely as two separate things. So, you know, college was something that I chose to do outside of sport. But I did I do feel like a pawn or I really felt like a soldier for gymnastics, where I was doing the hardest job in the organization. But was told that I was replaceable and told that I wasn't important and that it's not about me. It's about what I can do. And and yeah, it feels I do remember having that like specific lightbulb moment. I could tell you exactly where I was standing when I was like, hang on. This is really backwards. This is really wrong. Like did you ever watch the good place? Yeah,

Scott Benner 58:25
I love that show.

Charlotte Drury 58:25
You know, when that moment where she's like, Oh my god, this is the bad place? Yeah, like I've had that moment of like, oh my god, this isn't right. This is not how human beings should be treated. Athletes should be treated. This is not how I want to be valued. This is not how I want my life to be built. I don't like feeling like this. I don't like feeling like I'm replaceable and not poor. And yeah, only as good as what my score is tell me I am.

Scott Benner 58:54
It's like somebody takes the the culmination of your life's work and a major part of your identity. And they've built another thing that's based on you doing that. And you realize that in this moment, while you're competing, you have all of these desires and focuses and the person maybe even coaching you doesn't really care about you. They care about coaching, something that wins with the person that pays them is happy and they keep their job and it's almost it becomes not about the sport anymore. It becomes about everybody sustaining each other's entity. And I've just I've had those feelings. I've looked over at some of my son's coaches, and I thought he does not even know my kid. He just knows he catches that ball. I keep this job. That's that's how it feels sometimes.

Charlotte Drury 59:45
Yeah, and I think at a certain level, it's totally like that. intrinsics of course, but the reason I was able to survive 2021 was because my coach cared about me as a person. 40 cared about me as an athlete. That's excellent. He absolutely was my number one supporter of me as Charlotte as the person. That second I told him that I got this diagnosis. He didn't ask me about coming to the gym. He didn't ask me when I was coming back what my plan was what I wanted to do. He said, Take all the time you need, I'm here to meet me. Like, that's good. He's my number one.

Scott Benner 1:00:25
And also, I'm going to be honest with you, I had an ulterior motive for asking the question, I wasn't sure where you're gonna come back, because I've had this other thought that I've wondered about, and you seem just honest enough to answer this question. So let's see it feel like when suddenly a bunch of diabetes media outlets approach you, because you're one person that got diabetes today, but you look like you're going to the Olympics. And now suddenly, you're in the middle of, um, you described it earlier, right? You're completely confused. You don't know what's going on. Your health is all over the place. You're worried about your life, everything seems like it's gone. And then someone's like, Hey, I just got the funniest text. I'm gonna tell you about a second. I did some. And they're like, Hey, we know who you are. You're wearing something that says USA on the front of it, and you got diabetes, we want to interview you. Now. You're just upon again, right? But now for a different situation. But you You did it. So like, I'm not taking it, I would have done it too. I'm just asking, like, are you aware while it's happening? Or no.

Charlotte Drury 1:01:28
I think looking back, I have a lot more clarity. Now that the dust has settled on this last year. Because again, everything happened so fast. And there is one thing that not bothers me, but something that that I am really aware of. And it's I don't know how to really put this in words, it's like, I guess I feel like an imposter. I feel like I'm not really the person. That should be, you know, the diabetes poster child for diabetics, sport. Like, I did have diabetes for the year, before leading into the games. And I was diagnosed three months before the games. But I didn't know what I was doing. Like, I was just trying to survive. I was relying on all of the training that I had my whole life. Just to get through these three months, and doing these interviews now and having this attention and being in people being so excited, and being so inspired by it. And I was done propelled forward by that support. But I also like, God, the people that are diagnosed at two years old, the people that are diagnosed at 6789 10. Like, you guys are truly something else. You guys are truly like, I don't think I could have done that. Like

Scott Benner 1:02:49
somebody in those people. Right? Yeah. So

Charlotte Drury 1:02:52
So earlier, I'm a platform because they're the real superstars of this. Yeah.

Scott Benner 1:02:56
So earlier, I joked, I was half joking and half not joking about not reaching out to you at first, because people told me that I don't like to be told what to do, which is my own problem, right. But the other part of it that I didn't mention was, I don't like it when that happens for you. I don't know you, I have no reason to feel protective of you. But when people were like, ask this girl, I was like, Can she just leave this girl alone? Like, she just got diabetes, like her whole life looks like it's falling apart, and you're making her like, stand up and smile and go, I have type one, and I'm okay. And I'm like, I mean, I know it's inspirational for people. But you could be just as inspirational a year later. It doesn't need to be right now. So there's something about that click Beatty nature of content. And I don't buy into it. Like if you go back and look at the I mean, this podcast might have almost 700 episodes at this point. Wow. And the way you finish things I'd like for you to start at the beginning because I feel like I could get 700 Good downloads out of you, but but she's like, I'm not giving up now. He was terrible in season three. No, I wasn't. But, but I like just talking to regular people. They don't hide things. They're not practiced. They don't think oh, I can't say that. or I shouldn't say this. They just tell their story. And and I think just what you think put them out front, I mean, some of the biggest names in this space. Some of these people I really like. And I know a number of them. I don't want them on the podcast. They're just gonna say the same thing. They say all the time when somebody asks them a question. Again, it's not their fault. They're their dogs almost like

Charlotte Drury 1:04:33
they're just like, they're so scared of saying something that will alienate anybody. And I get it. I have been there. I mean, I've been Yeah, like, you know, the Little Miss Perfect gymnast, like doing interviews and saying great things about everybody all the time. Like it's only like recently that I really wanted to be a lot more honest because that's what connects with people and selfishly That's how people connect with me. And I need that connection.

Scott Benner 1:05:03
Everyone needs a trial it it's the it's the obvious elephant in the room that everyone ignores. They would rather say, Hey, today we're going to interview this person whose name you might have heard who also has diabetes, instead of saying, I don't know, I could pull up a list of 1000 names, right? Instead of saying, Look, this is an and had some kids, one of them got sick. Here's what happened. You know what I mean? And that's because we're all in. And we're all Charlotte. We're not all Olympians. And I listen, I've come out and say it. I've had people on the show before who were famous. And I tried to ask them about their diabetes. They don't know the first thing about, like, you know, and you're just and then people listen to the show. And they're like, Hey, I've been waiting for so long for this person. And they came on, and they were not valuable. And I'm like, yeah. Welcome to the life of someone who has a trainer, you know what I mean? Or who's somebody who's a meal ticket for somebody and no one's gonna let their blood sugar get out of control? Because they know how to catch a ball or do a thing. Make money for other people? Yeah,

Charlotte Drury 1:06:08
it's just a different life. And that might be really relatable for a very small demographic of people who are also in that in that circle. You know, the majority, it's probably

Scott Benner 1:06:18
not, you know, I once had on Mark Andrews Mom, he's the tight end for the the Baltimore Ravens, it'd be so much for telling me that it would be. It would be cool if he was on, but it's way cooler to talk to his mom. Like she raised them with diabetes, you know, like, it's just I'm not saying he wouldn't. I mean, maybe I don't know the guy probably come on here be terrific. And shut me right up. But but you know, like, it's, I just want to talk smack about it. He's like, I heard you thought I wasn't gonna be interesting. Let's learn, I'm gonna be interesting. So by the way, if Mark Andrews hears this, of course, you can come on. That's not the point. The point is that is that real people's stories, not that Mark Andrews isn't a real person or that you're not a real person. It's just that you're not that real people aren't practiced. And they're not worried about saying something. And as you and I were talking, I started feeling like this person, you, you're in the middle of a metamorphosis right now, like you are really shifting, you know what I mean? And feels like you want to be whoever you think you're supposed to be. And not the person you spent a lot of time being. Am I right about that?

Charlotte Drury 1:07:27
I think if you'd asked me six months ago, I'd be like, yeah, absolutely. That's exactly what is happening. I'd also probably be crying. If you actually recognize,

Scott Benner 1:07:35
if you want to cry, Charlotte, that'd be terrific. It really helps the podcast.

Charlotte Drury 1:07:39
ratings go sky.

Scott Benner 1:07:41
Love it when you're crying. No, I'm just kidding.

Charlotte Drury 1:07:44
But no, I do agree. I think I think I have gone through a lot in the last year. I feel like I've got a lot gone through a lot in the last eight years, I am only recently finding peace and what I've been through. And I really feel like the common theme that has now woven through the last couple of months is peace is that I found that I can be where my feet are, and that I can be happy with that. And that I don't have to pretend that I'm doing okay. And I don't have to pretend that everything's great and easy and wonderful, because that's the story that everybody wants to hear. Yeah, like I get to be a little bit more honest. And this is this community is very receiving I don't really feel like I have to perform on social media whatsoever I do. Fully just like to be me on it. It's not a friend or anything like that. But my therapist also said something. She was like you're we're are kind of caught between paradoxes right now, like your whole life is a little bit of a paradox because you are simultaneously so grateful to be out of sport. But I also really want to be back in it. Like there's a part of me that craves to be there again. And I'm, how is that possible? And I'm also simultaneously the happiest that I've ever been, but struggling with this really big thing. And so it's really confusing. I'm confused all the time.

Scott Benner 1:09:09
I'm always worried about performers. And if you're an art if you're a sports person, or an artist or something, you're a performer, like I have to some degree with this, like, what happens when your thing goes away? Where do you get your jolt? Where do you get your Jolt from? The the name that I always fall on recently is a former New York met and Philadelphia Philly Lenny Dykstra who slife just complete like prison drugs like tech something like I mean, a lot, a lot of you like, and I always looked at him and I felt bad, because I was like, That guy is just looking for that jolt that he felt when he hit that baseball or when he ran a ball down in a corner and 60,000 people scream like where do you get that from every day? You know what I mean? Like, yeah, so you've got this unnatural level of feedback, and then suddenly it's gone and listen I mean, I talked to a lot of people, I don't know one of them, really. But I can tell you that a lot of people are going to hear the conversation you and I are having. And if you suddenly told me, I didn't have an outlet for my thoughts anymore, I don't know that I wouldn't feel like you feel right now. You know, like, because this is a thing I do that I enjoy. And if you just took it from me right away, it would be hard to transfer to I think the transition? I really do. Absolutely, yeah. So I mean,

Charlotte Drury 1:10:29
as much as it is, as we all want to be human beings, no matter what, we are going to be a little bit of human doings. Like, who what we do, greatly influences who we are, that is inescapable, there's no way to get around that. But I have recently found a balance, and I don't want to be like preaching this. But the balance of finding things that you can do that are consistent, that won't be taken away from me. So the things that truly make me happy, it's really traveling, it's been in nature, it's connecting with people, those are things that I'm always going to be able to do. And whether or not it's, you know, trampoline and the success and the daily wins, or the daily losses that I get from that, that drives me forward. Like that. That always translatable to something else. But kind of, I guess I've stacked my identity with so many things now. But if you take any one thing out, towers not gonna fall.

Scott Benner 1:11:28
That's excellent. I am, I'm older than you by a lot. And recently, my wife and I are just trying to make sure that you know, our retirement looks like it's coming together. And the person who's helping us with that said, Well, what do you want to do when you retire? And I joked my way through it, and then later told my wife and told him, he's a friend. I said, that's the worst thing anybody's asked me in two years. I said, because I just see myself as a tool. I see myself in a couple of ways. I see myself as a tool that makes money. So the people I love are okay. And I see myself as a tool who makes diabetes content, so people with diabetes can be happier and healthier. If you take those things from me and told me I'm retired, I honestly don't know what would make me happy. And yeah, and I'm really lucky because the feeling of calm, that you're doing something valuable. I get out of this podcast, like the idea that I pay a bill, help people and enjoy what I'm doing, I think is magical. Like, I don't know how I got that lucky. And I also think while you're talking, how crazy is it that most people just want a little bit of that jolt and can't find it day to day? And then the people who get it get an unnatural amount of it. Right? Yeah, you've got a middle ground. Yeah, like why couldn't like why can't Lenny Dykstra or you share your pie with 100 other people so that people aren't driving home 1000 miles an hour screaming at each other out windows and yelling at people online, just trying to find some excitement, you know what I mean, like somewhere, and meanwhile, you've got more than anybody needs in the whole world. It's just

Charlotte Drury 1:13:08
I think it's funny that also that, that's kind of the perception that people have of me. I might just be because trampling is a very obscure sport that doesn't have like this massive fan base. It's not like it's basketball, or even artistic gymnastics. Like, I really don't feel like I've ever had this much attention, or, like, you know, a stadium of people clapping for me,

Scott Benner 1:13:35
like, coming from your parents. Were they proud of you? Did you not want to let them down any of that stuff?

Charlotte Drury 1:13:45
To be honest, I really think that my head was down. And I was working so hard that I wasn't really looking. I mean, obviously, their approval and their support meant so much to me, and I'll probably unpack that in the next couple of years. Of like, how much that meant to me. But I think it was important that I was proving to myself that I was good enough. And I think that's truly what my driver was, because if we're really gonna get into it, I myself, my biggest thing is that I've never been good enough. And that's really what's driven me forward through a lot of things is, oh, I will be good enough when I reach this goal, or I will be good enough when I do this, or worthy, like whatever word you want to put in there that connects with you. It's it's, it's always that sense of incompleteness. And I just don't know that I ever received that from sport, even making an Olympic team. I don't feel any more complete than I did before making the team and I don't feel any less complete, but I feel like exactly the same person. And the things that truly fill me up. Have nothing to do with sport anymore.

Scott Benner 1:14:51
Are you having any trouble with those feelings? And then are you applying them to diabetes like are you feeling competitive about or health in an unhealthy way or anything like that.

Charlotte Drury 1:15:03
I definitely was, especially while I was still training, it was, I'm going to be the perfect diabetic, I'm going to be the best diabetic you've ever seen. Because I have three months to figure this out. And I need to was my excuse. But the truth was, I was just terrified. And I was I was just scared, I just wanted to be perfect with that management. And that's also something that's kind of unraveled in the last couple of months, and kind of led to that meltdown a couple of weeks ago, of, I can't be perfect, I'm too tired. I'm, I'm too tired dealing with this every single moment of every single day. And so I took my my glucose monitor off, and I just kind of said, Screw it, like, let's just relax for a week, I'm obviously going to still be safe and take care of myself to the best of my intuitive ability. But I can't I can't do this constant perfectionist mentality of everything needs to be perfect.

Scott Benner 1:15:55
Yeah, you need to find a way to put your head where Rhiness like, I want it to be good. And when it's not, I just move on. I don't I don't, I used to torture myself when my daughter's blood sugar got out of hand. Like I really would torture myself about it. And I just mean, like, sit there and think like, oh, you messed this up, or blah, blah. And then one day I was like, I can't like how is this sustainable? You know, like, I have to stop doing this. I thought a little bit about when my son was little. Before he went to play baseball, I would hug him because I'd been a stay at home dad for a really long time. So I'd hug him, I tell him, I love you. None of this matters. Go have fun. And then send them out. And as he got older, that changed into I love you. You're only playing baseball to get better at baseball, today's outcome is not important. Go have fun. And there was one time he was recruiting for college. And we were in a car and we were about to get out of it. I looked at him. I said, Hey, man, it actually really matters today. Like go out there. Like it really matters because I think this is this is where decisions get made today, you know? And he was like, Okay, I said, still have fun. But go for it, you know, just really go for it. And he did. And I do think today he is he is still who he is. And it applies to sport the way it does, it also applies to other things in his life. But he's not completely connected to it. And I want to hope that that is in some way from me saying this doesn't matter. grand scheme of things. You're not You're not a baseball player your call like go, you know, and? And I don't know, like, because you're gonna have to disconnect from all of that. I mean, you're wired a certain way, obviously, it is not going to be good. If you apply that to diabetes management over a lifetime, you're gonna be bad for you, right? I mean, that's the kind of thinking that leads to, I mean, eating disorders and, and all kinds of stuff, which I'm not saying you're here, I'm just saying that's not a path you want to go down, obviously.

Charlotte Drury 1:18:02
Oh, for sure. And just to kind of like, touch again on what you were saying to call of like, when that moment came of after, you know, his lifetime of training. And you said this moment does matter. And he didn't choke in that moment. And he was able to perform, and he was able to do it. Because he had a lifetime of preparation that said, I am Cole I am not baseball. And he just was able to go and have fun in the sport for a lifetime up to it. That's why he could perform in that moment. You know, when the pressure was on, he could draw on all of that experience. But if you put that pressure on a kid who's nine years old, and you said you need to win this game, or you need to win this meet, it's gonna freak out.

Scott Benner 1:18:47
I don't understand why people believe that that's the way to talk to anybody, let alone children. But like now do it now we're all gonna die. Well, you know, right there. I think we're in trouble. Because right, yeah, you're panicking the hell out of me. I think

Charlotte Drury 1:18:59
I think I remember getting told before an Olympic qualifier. And I think it was like, in good heart. But it was what you because it was just me competing at this meeting. If I didn't do well, at this beat, there was no spot for the United States and the Olympic Games. And it was like you need to perform so that everybody else for the rest of their life can say that they competed in US Olympic trials.

Scott Benner 1:19:30
Okay, I'm in charge everybody. Great. So just everybody's happiness, though. Is that all I'm in charge of right now. Yeah,

Charlotte Drury 1:19:39
exactly. I'm in charge of everybody's rest of life.

Scott Benner 1:19:42
Great. How old were you then by the way?

Charlotte Drury 1:19:45
I was 19. Yeah, it's

Scott Benner 1:19:46
perfect timing. That's a great time to be put in charge of everybody's life. You're really your finger on the pulse at that point. No, I fit but see, I think of everything that way. I mentioned recently on the podcast. If you liked the way that I talked about diabetes and it helps you it's really just the way I think about life translated to diabetes, you know, and, and I agree so much with what you just said, like when people the way it the way I think of it now is when people always say to me is my daughter's growing up? Will sure you're good at it, but how are you going to explain it to her. And I would always say, I'm not going to just explain it to her, she's going to live it. And through me, I'm going to shoulder most of it, she's going to see it happen. And she'll take from it what she needs. And one day, she's just going to know. And to your point, one day, my son's just gonna be able to walk out in front of I mean, I'm telling you 300 college coaches on a field the size of like, it was, like, massive, and everyone's holding a clipboard and looking at you, and it's baseball. So it's one at a time, your turn now, go catch the ball, you better do it better than the other kid, don't mess up Don't trip, when you get the ball in your hand, throw it to the right place. If you look bad for half a second, you actually see people look down and write and you can see lines, or you can see writing lines or writing on clipboards. And you can't be thinking about it in that moment. And I think diabetes is the same way. I think at the moment, you're thinking about it too much. And I swear to you, this is not a sales pitch. I don't listen, you and I are never gonna see each other after this. I agree. I've had a lovely time talking to you. But you know, but if shit goes sideways for you, Charlotte, what am I going to do? You don't I mean, but I could lay a list of episodes on you that I think would make your management easier. Cool. I think it would put you where you want it to be. And I think it would in a month or so's time. You would start doing things without thinking about them. And I think that's something a lot of people drive with. But you especially because I imagine that you just land on your feet on that trampling you don't. I guess when you think about it, you're in trouble. Right? Like you need to feel it. Exactly. Yeah. I think you need to feel diabetes. That's how I that's how I do it. And a lot of people listen to the show do it. Same way. I think it would work really well for you. I think I could maybe get two pages in that autobiography one day one. Yeah, well, I get one real estate. I mean, listen, I'm gonna save your life. And then the book. I deserve a little bit of a spot. You know what I mean? Like Jesus, you get really grumpy all the sudden, it's just an extra page, Charlotte, just tell them just tell the publisher, Look, I told this guy would do this. negotiable. I'm not going to charge your money for it. I just would like to see it happen. I wrote a book Charlotte and let me tell you something, it takes a lot of time. I wish they'd do it. It's just it takes so much time. And then you have to like pump it and pump it to get people to buy it. And then they buy it. And then it's it's gone. It's like an Instagram post that gets 1000s of likes. And then a week later, you look back and it has only gotten one more in six weeks. Like why just the world still not know about my amazing Instagram post. The book did this thing. It was like on fire and then it was gone. What did

Charlotte Drury 1:23:00
you here's, here's my question for you. Did you write the book to write the book? Or did you write the book to publish the book?

Scott Benner 1:23:07
Oh, that's interesting. I wrote the book. So I was offered a blurb in someone else's book. I've never told the story. Exactly, honestly, because I think it hurts somebody's feelings.

Charlotte Drury 1:23:18
That's okay. They probably will hear it. You think

Scott Benner 1:23:21
they're lovely people. And I don't mean it this way. So. So I was asked to write a blurb. I wrote a blurb. I think there's about 1000 words. Their publisher called me one day and said, Hey, do you have any ideas for books? And I said, What? And she goes, your 1000 words are probably the best 1000 words in that book. Do you want to write a book? And I was like, Yeah, because I want to write a book because I barely graduated from high school. And I was like, seriously, me? Sure. Why not? And so we're talking and she wanted it to be about diabetes. And I said, No, no, I'm not going to do that. I said, I'm not ready to talk to people about how to manage their diabetes. And for it to be somewhere forever static. I said that I am a stay at home dad, I think I have great stories about that. I could write about that. And she's like, alright, you have a week to send me an outline. So I wrote the outline in like 10 minutes. And then I sat on it for six days to make it look like I worked really hard on it. Of course, thank you. And I sent it to them, and they're like done, we'll send you this much money now. And in six months, you send us the manuscript, and we'll send you the other half. And I was like, Cool. I remember exactly my house where I called my wife while she was at work. I was like, I'm gonna write a book, it's gonna get published. And she's like, can you write a book? I swear to God, this is my wife. So again, if she's been nice to me, like four times, can you write a book? She says, and I go, I don't know. But I'm gonna find out. Yeah, exactly. That's the worst thing that happens is like giving back the advance. And I don't read a book. I'm like, I'm going to try you know. So, I will tell you that it's cool to be published. I don't look down on people who are self published, but when I see people self publish things there There's a small part of me that goes, somebody paid me to do it, but okay, and they're absolutely. So I have a little that I am very, I'm going to be honest with you. I'm incredibly competitive. Like, I love this podcast. Oh my god, I love that people love this podcast. But I love also that it's like the most popular one.

Charlotte Drury 1:25:20
Of course, nobody wants to be average at what they do.

Scott Benner 1:25:23
It does make me feel good. A little bit like I don't run around like, like, I'm not like, Listen, you know, listen,

Charlotte Drury 1:25:32
egos, Freud can go, you guys are a good thing. egos are good. To an extent. They, if you can get your ego filled in a healthy way from a certain outlet, it allows you to not have an ego in other places. It allows you to be a humble father, when you succeed at work. It allows you to be a failure of a writer or failure of a photographer, if you can succeed at something else, because you have the cushion to try because you said well, I know I can succeed at something.

Scott Benner 1:26:09
It also helps me stay motivated. Like I record this week, as an example, I recorded this podcast five times this week. So I've had probably five, six, I've probably had seven and a half hours of conversations this week. And a lot of talking Yeah. And in that time, I'm also editing the show and putting it off and supporting it online. It's a full like it's about a 75 an hour. Yeah, probably 75 hours a week, I put out a podcast. And if it was just mundane for me. I know it would it would wane but there's part of me that likes waking up in the morning and going like forget other like diabetes podcast forget health podcast. This This show is in the 96th percentile. All podcasts on Apple. Well, that I that's cool. Yeah. If I ever get tired, I think about that. I sit right down. And I'm like, so you're depressed and you have diabetes? Let's talk. You know, like, interesting. Yeah, I can I can, I can do it. Because I also listen to all that aside. I know how much it helps people. And it's amazing. You know what I mean? Like this the best the best thing I've ever done in my life, like aside on my children in my family, like making this for people's really cool. Yeah, the scopes important? Because I'm sure other people make great content that I'm unaware of. But if no one's listening to it.

Charlotte Drury 1:27:27
Listen. Yeah, exactly. You can't be a fan of something that you've never heard of.

Scott Benner 1:27:32
Right. So someone's got to see it bouncing up and down on that trampoline. Or what's the point? You know, exactly, then it's just anyway, all right.

Charlotte Drury 1:27:41
Yeah. Well, I have a question. I got one more question. Do you know your Enneagram number? Because I feel like I know your Enneagram number.

Scott Benner 1:27:47
My what number? Your Enneagram Oh, God. Two years old Charlotte, have you not just been impressed that I've kept up with this conversation and you're 26 You want me to start knowing things that younger people understand

Charlotte Drury 1:28:02
that? Okay, here's Okay, here's your homework.

Scott Benner 1:28:04
I got the internet. Go take

Charlotte Drury 1:28:05
the Enneagram test. It's not a quick thing. You can't do it right now.

Scott Benner 1:28:09
I gotta find it or I'm never gonna remember it. i My brain is not like, it's like,

Charlotte Drury 1:28:15
okay, okay. Once you do it, we'll circle back for part two. And we're going to we're going to dive into your Enneagram

Scott Benner 1:28:22
the Enneagram Institute.

Charlotte Drury 1:28:25
You can do it. The reading you take the test in a lot of different places. It's

Scott Benner 1:28:29
called a reading test. Rizzo Hudson. Enneagram. Trudy Trudy Yeah, Jesus very specific. What are we married, right? You're doing it wrong. Go to Trudy an idiot. Understand who you really are. Oh, God, this seems very scary.

Charlotte Drury 1:28:50
You're gonna love it. It's gonna be great.

Scott Benner 1:28:51
Right? You say? Yep. I have a hunch. Good.

Charlotte Drury 1:28:56
I have a hunch I should I spill it or should I'm going to hold I don't want to influence your results

Scott Benner 1:29:02
can influence my results. There's no way I'll remember I recorded like five of these a week. I just I'm getting

Charlotte Drury 1:29:09
I'm getting strong too with a one wing

Scott Benner 1:29:12
here to with a one way I won't remember that. So I'll just write it down. Okay, write it down. We'll circle back. I had a person on Tuesday who recorded a beautiful after dark episode when they about her life struggles young mom. She has type one her son cancer at a young age terrible story is one of my favorite episodes. And I asked her to come back on and she comes on we're talking for six minutes before I go oh, I know who you are. I am the worst. I don't. I know people. It's very it's very popular to say you don't prep for your content. Right because it makes you seem like all like I honestly I'm relatable. I swear to God when you started talking. I was like gymnastics. I don't know. it'll it'll come out, you know, and I really, I don't I don't know I don't prep for this at all.

Charlotte Drury 1:30:10
That's why today was so fun. It was so refreshing.

Scott Benner 1:30:13
I'm glad best best interview you've done since you have diabetes. Yeah. Oh,

Charlotte Drury 1:30:18
all right. How about anybody else that's interviewed me though?

Scott Benner 1:30:22
No. Well, those people obviously did the best for you. They obviously did the garbage. That's no reason to be upset. That's not fun at all. Just very good at this. It's not their fault. You know what I mean? So no drugs. By the way, no one has been here. What's the pressure like for that? In doing drugs? Yeah, like for enhancing drugs in the Olympics? I never tested but I mean, people gotta get away with it. Right.

Charlotte Drury 1:30:51
I feel like in other sports, it's like, the pressures way bigger, like cycling and weightlifting, when it's like, it would make a difference. But in trampoline, it really wouldn't make a difference. Like I guess maybe you could be a little bit stronger. But

Scott Benner 1:31:04
rehab faster. Still not an issue, though.

Charlotte Drury 1:31:07
I mean, I mean, I guess it's just never crossed my mind. But I don't know what can make you flip better. Or like be better. In the air.

Scott Benner 1:31:17
You know, is the flipping all, like, muscle memory practice? And then letting go? Yeah, yeah.

Charlotte Drury 1:31:24
My best routines that I've competed, I'll finish. And I'll be like, I don't remember any of that. Was it good? I wasn't there for it.

Scott Benner 1:31:34
Yeah, my you know, it's so funny. You say that, because I'll go downstairs and my wife will be like, how was it? I'll be like, great. Good. What are you talking about? Like, I don't know. What's going on? I'm like, she's like, how do you know what's going on? Like, I don't know. I feel like it went well. And there are times I walked downstairs. I'm like, I don't know if I did very well today, or I was tired or something. Yeah. And then I'll listen back or I'll get a note. People are like, I love that episode. I'm like, oh, so it doesn't always have to be the way I want it to be it you know, other people can find it differently. Charlotte, you and I get along very well. This was delightful. This it? Oh, I say delightful all the time. That you said it and I didn't the people listening now we're gonna be like, feel stolen? No, it's Mecca. People are people are like, Oh, my God, Scott made her feel delightful without telling her that I'm telling you right now there are people just fanning themselves everywhere that like it happened. Do you want to hear about that? Do you want me to say something really tell you about the text that I said, Oh my God, I'll tell you about this. I do. I do. I do. So someone's gonna judge my daughter over this, but just let it go. My daughter and I are in the car the other day. And she's you know, she's getting ready to graduate from high school. And she's like, you know, we had such a calm year at school. She's like, there haven't been any big fights. There's no teen pregnancies. Like it's just been such a boring year. I got a text while you and I were talking. It says My wish came true. We got a teen pregnancy in school.

Charlotte Drury 1:33:01
Oh, this is like the equivalent of like reality TV in our society. Yeah,

Scott Benner 1:33:04
she like has my personality, but she's in like a smaller female person who's younger.

Charlotte Drury 1:33:09
So that's funny, though. That's funny. She should have a podcast.

Scott Benner 1:33:13
She trusts me. She was on one episode of this. And I get notes pretty much daily. Can Arden come back on the podcast? She's like, she's like, she's like, I don't care about all this, like, people I had sent questions for. And she's like, I don't I don't want to know I don't like she's like, this is your thing. I don't. Because I told her one day I was listening. I was like, the podcast is really popular. It's like you sure you don't want to come on at once in a while, maybe take it over when I get older. And she's like, No, like, Alright, fine. I felt like girl. I felt like I was a plumber. And I said to my son like, I can teach you how to better take over the family business. Yeah. And he was like, I want to go to college. I'm like, but we got trucks in the shop and everything. Who am I gonna give it to? You know? Anyway. You were really terrific. And I would say delightful. But you beat me to it. I stole it. Hey, do you know 1234567 It looks like you and I said seven. Well now eight times. But that's okay. I have a clean shows I just edited out they'll be like this little blip. I don't want to lose the show. Believe it or not. I can't run the show in India if I curse on it, and a couple of other places. Yeah, and it's popular.

Charlotte Drury 1:34:27
How much of an international audience do you get information on your demographics? Do they give you that?

Scott Benner 1:34:31
Do you want to do this right now? Do you think people care like we can stop recording but I can tell you

Charlotte Drury 1:34:36
they could they could duck out whenever they want. Yeah, I'll

Scott Benner 1:34:38
tell you what nerd out first again. Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna do is thank the sponsors that the guys so I mean, I really do need the sponsors. Like you're not getting this podcast about the sponsor, unless you all want to start paying for the show. And I'm pretty sure no one wants that. So just just you know, get a Jif of hypo pen or whatever today's thing just Same Yeah, yeah. Do you

Charlotte Drury 1:35:01
can you tell when people do like to fast forward 15 seconds through the sponsored

Scott Benner 1:35:07
more people? Yes. I mean, some people do jump through the ads, but I try very hard to make the ad something you want to listen to. Ah, okay. And sometimes I do that by recording them very late at night. So that I'm a little like loopy.

Charlotte Drury 1:35:24
So that your like actual, like excellent content in the ads.

Scott Benner 1:35:29
The ads feel like content anyway. Like I can't get some of these people are gonna end up making a better podcast and like keep giving away all my secrets. Are here's the top like, Alright, here's the top countries, US first than Canada. The show is huge in Australia, United Kingdom, Ireland, Germany, Sweden, the United Arab Emirates, New Zealand and Saudi Arabia.

Charlotte Drury 1:35:52
Hey, what what percentage of your people are from Arab Emirates?

Scott Benner 1:35:57
It's it's I don't have it as a percentage. The smaller number there on the list. Yeah. And I'm only looking at Cool. Yeah, I'm only looking at the last month. But from there, Israel, South Africa, France, Switzerland, Norway, Japan, Hong Kong, India, the Netherlands, Spain, Kuwait, Puerto Rico. Denmark, Egypt, Ukraine, Bahamas, Mexico. Singapore, Thailand. Panama, Finland. Cayman Islands. I'm huge in the Cayman Islands. I'm not kidding. Qatar, Taiwan, Slovakia, Chile, China, Italy, Romania, Belgium. These are all places in the last 30 days. Virgin Islands. While there's a place I don't know. Hold on. We'll come back to that. Poland. Austria. No. Say you have to say it out with your brain. Philippines. Portugal. Are you ready? Yeah. Libby, Libyan Libyan Arab. jamaa Haria.

Charlotte Drury 1:36:55
Okay, no, also have never heard of that. Now. I was an international studies major. I'm not sure that place exists. According to my knowledge. Oh, wait a minute.

Scott Benner 1:37:06
I'm googling. Yeah, that's a good place.

Charlotte Drury 1:37:09
It's earlier in the conversation. We can do that now.

Scott Benner 1:37:12
Oh, yeah. The internet's right here. It's in Libya. I guess history of

Charlotte Drury 1:37:18
lives like an independent territory inside of Libya,

Scott Benner 1:37:21
the Libyan Arab Juma the Libby Alright, hold on. Libyan Arab Gemma harissa is a country in Northern Africa that is slightly larger than the state of Alaska and shares borders with Tanzania, Algeria. Niger. It's a place and people

Charlotte Drury 1:37:43
haven't seen it the UN is it like I've never heard of this country.

Scott Benner 1:37:47
Right. Let's see United Nations. This is what you want to know about. Do they have a seat at the Yeah,

Charlotte Drury 1:37:52
I think I think that people are gonna agree with me. This is curious stuff.

Scott Benner 1:37:57
All right. Hold on. I got a un thing here from 2016. Libya political deal not open for renegotiation Libyan Arab Jim, I don't know the recent political chord paving the way for unity government. Libya is not open. It sounds like it's a split off thing around Libya. Best I can guess.

Charlotte Drury 1:38:19
You I just know that the rest of my day is going to be researching this.

Scott Benner 1:38:22
Well. I hope you do. Oh, here we go. Dominican Republic, Malaysia, Pakistan, Brazil, Czech Republic, Hungary, Russian Federation, Nepal, Malta, Nigeria. These are all places where people have listened with reasonable frequency in the list. That's really cool. Yeah, that's crazy, right? So everybody who has diabetes who speaks English at some point or another, finds out about the podcast. And it's because of the Pro Tip series, which I will tell you about as soon as we hang up here. Okay. Yeah, I knew that. That I can't believe you made me do that. Because it seems like I'm bragging. And I was

Charlotte Drury 1:38:58
I just listen, I allowed you to do that. I know you wanted to. Oh, my God.

Scott Benner 1:39:03
Are you kidding? If it was up to me, the whole podcast would just be about that. And then I'd be like, Oh, and here's bouncing it off though.

Charlotte Drury 1:39:09
You should end the podcast with I would just like to thank my listeners in and then name every single country.

Scott Benner 1:39:16
That wouldn't be too boring. Charlotte, let's say your name your your name really quick three times fast and see if we get lost. Ready?

Charlotte Drury 1:39:25
I have a lifetime of experience everything. My whole name do it. Charlie Gray, Charlotte Gray, Charlotte gray.

Scott Benner 1:39:30
It just falls apart. They're not even letters and sounds anymore.

Charlotte Drury 1:39:34
It's like saying word overnight or real name. That's all. That's it's in fact, it's it's quite a real name. And I like it.

Scott Benner 1:39:44
I do too. Is there anything we didn't talk about that we should have?

Charlotte Drury 1:39:49
I don't know. I can't remember what we talked about.

Scott Benner 1:39:51
Perfect way to end Hold on one second.

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#680 Zach and Nancy

Zach has type 1 diabetes, Nancy is his mom.

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Scott Benner 0:00
Hello friends, and welcome to episode 680 of the Juicebox Podcast.

Nancy is the mother to Zach. Zach has type one diabetes, and they're both here on the podcast today to chit chat with me. While you're listening, please remember that nothing you hear on the Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice, medical or otherwise, always consult a physician before making any changes to your healthcare plan, or becoming bold with insulin. This episode came within a hair's breadth of being called golden doodle.

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Nancy 2:17
I will. I guess Go ahead. All right. Hi, I'm Nancy. I am the mom of Zack and about five years into T Wendy and just happy to talk to you.

Scott Benner 2:32
How old are you Zack?

Zach 2:34
I'm 14.

Scott Benner 2:36
You were diagnosed that nine.

Zach 2:39
I was diagnosed that eight eight.

Scott Benner 2:40
Okay. Just turned 14.

Zach 2:43
You Yeah, yes. This year.

Scott Benner 2:44
Happy birthday. Of course. Alright, well, let's go like this for a second. Zack, do you remember anything about being diagnosed?

Zach 2:56
I remember, whenever my mom found out about this, we were watching a movie. And I was going to the bathroom so much. And my mom was taking like this class on type two, and they gave the symptoms of type one. And so I was going up to the bathroom a lot. And then she No. She noticed that. And so right when we got home after the movie, we checked my blood sugar. I was 400 something. And that's that's it? Basically, I was just going to the bathroom a lot. Nothing serious. I didn't know at

Scott Benner 3:37
the time, Nancy, what made you Why are you looking into type two?

Nancy 3:40
Well, my mom had been diagnosed with type two for many years and just decided to take a class on her diet and how to possibly reverse some of it, you know, and and so I just went with her to support her and yeah, they were just talking about the signs and symptoms. And that week, which is the week before I my husband had also been diagnosed with type two and so I was like, You know what, I think we need to have a meter in the house since his doctor had never recommended he have one. So I bought one and just started recognizing some of the symptoms.

Scott Benner 4:29
What Nancy what movie were you watching? Zachary

Zach 4:34
what was it? Batman vs. Superman? Yeah.

Scott Benner 4:39
Do you remember the movie at all?

Zach 4:42
Fate like some parts? I don't remember because I had to get

Scott Benner 4:46
up. Also wasn't a great movie. Yeah. At least it didn't ruin their wisdom. When Arden was diagnosed. My daughter was diagnosed a long time ago. Zach she was two and that was 2006 And back then to watch a movie when you weren't in your home or at a movie theater, you had to have like a little portable DVD player. So we had one of those. And my daughter watched, hold on, excuse me, I apologize. My daughter watched sky high over and over and over again. And it took years afterwards, if it would come on TV, it would make my wife really sad. And so because it was on in the hospital, like, you know, as my daughter was hooked up all the tubes and everything, and, and just recently, they watched it together again. And I thought it was a big triumph for my wife. Actually, I don't think you're gonna have the same problem with Superman versus whatever.

Nancy 5:42
He probably will not watch it again.

Scott Benner 5:45
That was why I thought you wouldn't have a problem because I don't think you're gonna watch it again. How could they make those Marvel movies? So well, Zack, and nobody at DC figure out how to make a movie.

Zach 5:56
I have no idea.

Scott Benner 5:58
I don't either. It's fascinating. It's just like, like, they're right there. I know. You don't want to copy them. But like, you could, like, can you glean something from it? Like, I don't know how you ruin a Superman movie? I don't know. They did. So anyway. All right, Nancy. So everybody in your life gets diabetes of one form or another all at the same time? And did you guys think? Like, like, did you? Was it like a, like a horror movie? Was everybody looking around going like, Oh, I wonder who's next? Or you were focused on at that point?

Nancy 6:30
Yeah, I was focused on Zack, you know, I mean, we're overweight. Kind of, you know, my husband and I, and not that my kids were really severely overweight. But, of course, I was thinking, man, what did I do? You know, I cuz I didn't know at the beginning if it was type one or type two, or, or what you know, and, and so it was, at first a lot of guilt until, you know, the next day when they said, Oh, no, this is type one. This has nothing to do with anything you did. And and then it was just focusing on learning about that.

Scott Benner 7:09
Did you have trouble believing that Zack? Like did you think it was something you did? Or how did you feel about it?

Zach 7:16
Um, I didn't feel I didn't think about it very much. I just I didn't know what was going on at the time. I just the the question that I asked right when we got like two that there. And then they said I had type one. I didn't know it was like a permanent thing. And so I'm like, Wait, so how long do I have to deal with this? That's probably the only thing. I I was just curious. Like, how I had to deal with it, how long I had to deal with it.

Scott Benner 7:48
I'm always interested about this. I don't get to talk to enough younger kids that have recollection. So did someone explain it to you? Or did you figure it out through the conversations?

Zach 7:59
Um, so they had this separate room in the hospital for us to learn stuff about type one, like, what foods have carbs what foods don't have carbs? The fat and protein? And we, we were like learning carb counting? Kinda. Yeah. And then we didn't really use it in the hospital, though, because we were just on shots. But it was probably just for the future. Yeah.

Scott Benner 8:27
What isn't that something Nancy that that? Did you have any record any knowledge that he didn't understand what was happening to that level?

Nancy 8:36
Um, you know, at eight, and he's a pretty happy the lucky kids still is kind of and, but he never voiced. Not understanding that it was forever until we got home. And it was a couple of days later. And I that broke my heart. You know, whenever I had to tell him no, this this is going to be forever this until there's a cure. But I do not remember him saying anything. At the hospital

Scott Benner 9:14
that had to be more upsetting than paying for Batman versus Superman.

Nancy 9:21
Definitely, yeah.

Scott Benner 9:22
Terrible. Okay. Yeah, yeah. Wow. That's, uh, I mean, do you hear it, Zach as we're talking about it, how bizarre that is, like, like, not unexpected and nothing you did wrong, obviously. But your mom and the doctors all imagine they make this assumption that people understand you don't mean that. Oh, I know what type one diabetes is they? I don't have to explain it granularly to this kid, but this is never gonna go away is a it's an impactful thing. Do you remember that conversation at all? Zach when your mom told you that? This is forever.

Zach 9:56
Um, I don't fully remember it. But I do. Remember Remember, she told me like, yeah, it is going to be forever. We just need to manage, like, how we deal with it. And that's basically all I remember, I don't have a lot of that conversation.

Scott Benner 10:14
Yeah, I have to tell you that very recently, I had a conversation with my son who's 21, where I still found it upsetting when I, we were just talking about health in general. And I said, you know, I forget how we were in the car, and he was struggling with something I said, you know, you're lucky that there's, you know, a medication for this thing I said, because a number of years ago, there wouldn't have been, you know, this would have just been a burden you would have carried forever. And I said something like, couple 100 years ago, you know, the, the group would have been asking you if you wanted to be put down, or if you want to just be left behind as we moved on to the next encampment, or wherever we went. I was like, you've no idea how, how far things have come. And that conversation led to us just saying, like, you know, there was a point in time in, in modern, you know, not so long ago, history where even if you broke your leg, you were probably dead. You know, like, just like, what are you gonna do? It's, it's just, it's crazy how far we've come in such a short amount of time, but how much, especially when we're younger, we just think that the body we got is, it's just gonna be like this forever, and nothing's ever gonna happen to it. So I'm comforted to know that Zack doesn't really remember the conversation that much.

Nancy 11:32
Right? Thank you.

Scott Benner 11:35
Zack, how would you describe yourself now five years in? Are you? Are you comfortable with diabetes? Is that a problem for you? How do you think

Zach 11:46
I it's not a big problem. Sometimes, like if my blood sugar's below, I just I can't think straight like, say I'm at school and I'm doing a test and my blood sugar's low, I need to do something. But like, at home, it's pretty normal. It's just like one click away on my phone. And we do need to do carb stuff, though. But it's pretty easy.

Scott Benner 12:11
amongst your friends, is it talked about? Or is it just sort of a thing that exists?

Zach 12:16
It's not really talked about in my friend groups. You know,

Scott Benner 12:19
if you got incredibly low amongst friends, do you think they'd have any idea how to help you?

Zach 12:26
Um, a few of them, maybe, but because I've mentioned it once, but we don't talk about it. They know that I have it. And I think I've told them, how to how I deal with it. But I'm not too sure if they fully know.

Scott Benner 12:45
Gotcha. And Nancy leaving the hospital, what kind of technology do they have for you?

Nancy 12:52
We, we did not get Dexcom until he was about six months in I think, and of course, MDI. I think we even we didn't even start with pins. We started with syringes and vials and my husband, he's an IT guy. So he had he made a an app for an Android phone at the time, just so we could put in his carb ratios and stuff. And so it was a very simple thing. Only we used it really and you know, so we use that and the grandparents would use that, you know, to help when watching him but we got Dex Dexcom about six months and Omni pod. Was that a year end? Zack? I can't remember.

Zach 13:47
Yeah, I'm pretty sure it was a year and

Scott Benner 13:50
how do you like using a pump Zach versus injecting?

Zach 13:54
Oh, it is way better? It like getting the shots over and over again. It's it's, it's it's extremely like, what's the word? Tedious, or? Oh, yeah. It just happened.

Scott Benner 14:12
We're on the same wavelength. I was thinking I was thinking you were gonna say tiresome. So basically, you and I have synced up already in only 12 minutes. I know how you're thinking. Excellent. So just repetitive and cumbersome. Yeah,

Zach 14:29
but the pump like it just replaced it was replaced three days. Well, before it was replaced three days. It was like one day and then we had to change it because of the insulin we were using. But now we have like u 200. And we are now changing it three days, which is way better.

Scott Benner 14:49
Oh, you're using a how do they how do they Nancy How did they categorize that? They call it stronger like potency. How do they talk about those insolence.

Nancy 15:02
I, I just always thought about it is that one is a double strength? You know, I don't. And I asked for it. I don't they didn't really bring it up. So I don't know if there's a particular way they, you know, really talk about

Scott Benner 15:17
how you think about it, though. So for people who don't, I mean, we never really talked about this right? There's you 200. There's you 402. Is that right?

Nancy 15:27
I think maybe you 500 I'm not sure. Maybe I'm wrong. But yeah, Zachary was, he's always used a lot of insulin and had high Basal rates. And we were going through pods, like before, 48 hours was even up,

Scott Benner 15:47
because and because the pod holds 200 units, that just wasn't enough for you. Right?

Nancy 15:51
Right. Right, he was about 100 units a day total. And after we started looping a couple of years ago, and about a year in, or maybe a little less, we were seeing a new doctor, because the other one didn't really want to cooperate with my requests. So I, we were seeing a new doctor, and I think he understood that we had a very good handle on diabetes and how we were managing. And so he went ahead and let us have the u 200. And it has made a world of difference and just how you don't think of changing a pot every two days as being cumbersome, but it's it's just allowed more freedom and, and less thinking about diabetes. So it's been really good for Zach, I think,

Scott Benner 16:48
Nancy, can you give me some context on why Zack needs more insulin? Or do you not know?

Nancy 16:54
Um, you know, I'm not really sure. We, if he's been always involved in some sort of sport, usually, you know, he used to play baseball. But not very competitively. It wasn't like a all the time practicing kind of thing, but possibly because of his inactivity, or I really just don't, I have no idea. But that's just the way it's always been for him. If they

Scott Benner 17:29
ask you. Do you get judgment from the doctor? When you ask for it? Or you don't? I mean, like, is there an underlying inference of like, you're taking in too many carbs?

Nancy 17:41
Well, you know, I with the previous doctor he's all he was more concerned with, well, why do we want to change anything because Zach's a once he had been coming down at that time, before looping, we had been doing we listen, we started listening to your podcast, and I read sugar surfing around the same time and, and his agency was coming down and I want to stay at a few years ago, his a one CD was maybe six point a, you know, something like that. And then whenever we would ask the doctor about it, it was about changing the insulin. First I asked for FY ASP, and he's like, Oh, no, we're not doing FY ASP, even though it had already been approved for the pod. And but he never mentioned anything about oh, he's using too much insulin and Zach's never been a very heavy carb eater

Scott Benner 18:55
yet. I want to say like, I'm not saying that I that that was my fault, either. I'm just trying to see like where this conversation might end up going if you start having it cold in the doctor's office. So can you like for context that do you know about how many carbs you eat in the course of a day

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Zach 22:49
Versus the day like on a regular day, I'd probably eat maybe 80 to 100 carbs.

Scott Benner 23:05
See that's not crazy, right? Like there's nothing crazy about that like and I'm going to do some math for a second. That's always fun. When I do math apart. Let's just say it's 100 carbs. We'll just say that for fun. Do you know what your insulin to carb ratio is? One unit covers. However, let me check. I'm interested Nancy Do you know don't say if you know

Nancy 23:34
well, if if he was on you? 100 right, it would be 123 or one to four. Okay. And and I like looking at Nightscout I know that his regular average intake of carbs is about 150 a day. Okay, still not very high. I don't think

Scott Benner 23:52
Arden's one that four and a half I think. So, if we divided by just for for fun, then 25 units for 100 carbs, fees taking in 150 a day. What is that? 3540 ish, and that is Basal. What's your Basal rate sec.

Zach 24:16
Basal rate is 17.8 units for the day.

Nancy 24:26
A day. Yeah. Okay, that's a view 200 though. So if you know we're doubling now.

Zach 24:33
Yeah, so 34 35.6 35 divided

Scott Benner 24:37
by 24. So your Basal would be like 145. There's nothing crazy about any of this. Like

Nancy 24:43
Well, I do have to say though, he started playing tennis over the summer. And we have seen some amazing reduction. It was crazy the amount of reading Shouldn't we've had to make over the last several months? Yeah. So maybe it was the inactivity.

Scott Benner 25:08
What's crazy is that I can't hit a tennis ball saved my life. You can do it

Zach 25:19
decently Yes. Yeah,

Scott Benner 25:21
I can't do it at all. I've I've fairly good hand eye coordination. And if you hit a tennis ball at me with a tennis racket, I just don't I don't hit it with. I don't, I can't find it. Just the ugly and horrible. So, okay, so you, do you think? Do you think he needs that you 200 Still not that you're not getting rid of it helps anything. But do you think he could get away with 100 at this point?

Nancy 25:51
He might. But some of the things that I've noticed, that I really like is, you know, it takes half as long to get a Bolus in with Omni pod. You know, if we were talking about let's say it's a large meal, and it's a 20 unit. Bolus, have you 100. It's gonna take, what 1618 minutes or something like that to get the Bolus in using you 200 It's half the time. Yeah.

Scott Benner 26:25
So the pod delivers the insulin more slowly, I think so that it has time to disperse once it's under, under the skin, right? Because at times, so you don't get tunneling. And it doesn't it doesn't come flying back at it. So that's a great point. So just mass mass of liquid or volume, volume of liquid isn't half. Oh, cool. All right, that makes sense. I like that idea. I've never considered this before. Like, it's funny. Like, I mean, Arden's Basil is probably like one right now an hour and and she's one to four and a half. So I don't think her insulin usage is really that much. Like her needs are that much different than than Zach's really. But you're making a lot of good points. That's cool. All right. I didn't want to. I don't want to belabor the point. I think it's interesting. Yeah. Zack, did you notice your needs change? As you got more active? Or did someone have to tell you did you put two and two together?

Zach 27:24
Um, I'm pretty sure I put two and two together. i No one like specifically told me but like people did hint. Well, my blood sugar inted at like, me, like needing less insulin, because I kept going low and playing tennis. And so I guess that meant like I needed less insulin before. Like, before meals. Wait. So I'd need less insulin on the meals before activity. So I don't drop.

Scott Benner 28:04
Okay. All right. And you're looping, right, Zack, do you have to make any overrides for tennis? Or is the loop handling it with your current settings?

Zach 28:15
Yeah, we have a tennis override, or the very active override, but it varies. One has less insulin, but it depends on what my blood sugar is going into it. So

Scott Benner 28:29
how long before your activity? Do you set the override?

Zach 28:34
Maybe 10 to 15 minutes prior

Scott Benner 28:38
you set off when you're done? Or do you like it to end before you're finished?

Zach 28:42
We set a timer on the override for two hours. So that it will just turn off automatically. How long status? About two or one and a half hours?

Scott Benner 28:56
Okay. All right. Excellent. You figure that out on your own? Or did your mom help you?

Zach 29:01
My mom helped me.

Scott Benner 29:02
How much did this does your mom still do day to day? And do you like that? Or do you like what do you want to have happen as far as control of your insulin?

Zach 29:14
I'm uncomfortable with her helping me because I I'm not too sure about like, if my blood sugar is low. What if like, my blood sugar is on like I don't fully know, like what my blood sugar is going to do at times. Like sometimes when there's a meal. We use like three hour and then four hour, but we split the carbs up so sometimes I think it's all taco but there's fat and protein which we need to account for which mom?

Scott Benner 29:52
Yeah. Oh, that's excellent. And you're happy for your mom to be helping? Yeah, okay. I wouldn't be too bad. otherwise, I would not like don't. If I was you I'd let her do it as long as she wants. You're kind of young still. But do you think about college?

Zach 30:11
Ah, not yet. Not really. The one thing I've been thinking about is that night time, whenever I'm by myself, it's going to be hard to control my blood sugar.

Scott Benner 30:24
Okay, so that's a concern of yours. Yeah, yeah. My daughter has been messing with learning some boluses this week. And I said to my wife was like, it's gonna kill me. Because she goes to bed. She's like, I did it, then I'm up for like, another two hours fixing what she screwed up, which is, which isn't too bad. She's good. She's figuring it out. And then I just kind of go back to her later. And I'm like, Hey, right here. Can I kind of point to our graph a little bit. I was like, you just needed to do this or it's Halloween now give coming up. And there seems to be these little bite sized Milky Way dark bars in a little candy dish. She's been like, doing flybys on those once in a while, you know? She's like, I Bolus for them. Like when she's like, you know, when I ate it. I was like, alright, well, if your Pre-Bolus that he can sleep? Do you have trouble with Pre-Bolus thing at all, Zach, or do you see the benefits?

Zach 31:23
Um, so I see why we need to Pre-Bolus but it does sometimes get on my nerves, because like, I really want to eat something like I'm hungry. And but then I have to Pre-Bolus because it needs the insulin needs to go in. So that the carbs so the carbs and insulin are like, meeting at the same point, instead of the carbs going first.

Scott Benner 31:50
Zack, do you know that? And not don't get me wrong. Okay, like, I'm not weepy. But I just got like a little happy sadness inside of me, because you're using my words that I'm assuming you got through your mom. Is that how that'll happen? Nancy?

Nancy 32:04
I don't know. You know, actually, we met you one time. When you were in Atlanta for a JDRF thing. Summit.

Scott Benner 32:13
May I say real quickly. I was fantastic that day. Am I wrong?

Nancy 32:18
Excellent. Excellent. But so I'm not sure if he's, I mean, of course, I have mentioned it also. But maybe he's remembering when you went and talk to the youth there that day. Oh,

Scott Benner 32:32
Zack, you were in that room?

Zach 32:35
Yes, I was. And that those are the words that I remember you like talking about you had this board with the graphs. And you're saying like, Oh, we need to make the carbs meet the insulin, because if the carbs going first, then the insulin won't have enough time to like, get rid of all the carbs.

Scott Benner 32:52
Exactly that that that's stuck with you all this time. That was before COVID. Right? That was right before COVID? Yeah. Zack, I'm like a hero, aren't I? Yeah, just teasing. You. know, I really enjoyed that. This is one of my favorite things about going and giving talks is that I like I like saying it to the parents and then saying it to the children separately. Because it was act this is helpful that you can answer a question for me. The reason I the reason I do that, is because it's my expectation that when you get home, if I don't talk to you, like if you're just off in a room coloring, and I realize you're 14, but you know what I mean? Like if they stick in some kid's room, right? And then your mom, your mom's off listening to me. And I'm all like bold with insulin tug of war, and I'm saying stuff like that, then you get home. And you haven't heard me that when she starts saying it. You probably think this lady with her ideas about my insulin again. But I Yeah, right. But my idea was if I tell the kids to that when the parents are talking about it, there'll be some common starting ground. And did that actually work?

Zach 34:02
Ah, yeah, I think so. Right? Right after the entire like Summit, we got in the car. We talked about what we learned. And I'm pretty sure my mom brought up your thing, but I knew what she was talking about. Because you were you were talking about it with my group. And so, yeah, that sparked conversation. And we talked about that.

Scott Benner 34:26
So happy. Really, mainly, I'm just amazed at something I thought of actually worked, but because, Zack, listen, when you do things differently than other people, here's a life lesson for you. I know it's great when older people tell you stuff like this the first time I don't know if you've ever heard the words fake it till you make it. I think it's an AE reference. So I'm hoping you haven't heard it yet. But it just it just means like, you know, be confident about things and until you are the person you want to be. Say you're that person And the first time that I spoke somewhere, I said, Well, I would like to. So I don't know how common this is. Most people like go into something and they speak for like a half an hour and they leave. Isaak, I'm not getting on an airplane, let alone a car to talk somewhere for a half an hour, because I'm chatty. And so I need more time, right? So I tell me, so when I set up the speaking events, I do a morning talk, I do a mid afternoon talk, at afternoon talk, that's a q&a. And then I go talk to the kids, I speak four times during the course of the day. That's not because somebody told me that was the right way to do it, or because I even knew that was the right way to do it. It's what I imagined was the right way. Go in talk to people in the morning, give them like a kind of like a general overview of the ideas and a couple of samples. So they can think like, oh, cool, I would like to do that. Maybe I'll find this guy again, speak again at lunch, because you've got everybody captive, right? And then you know, and then you go over, like the finer details. So that they can think like, oh, well, that guy did it. Maybe I could do it, and then do a q&a later. So that once they've had time to kind of ruminate, they can come back and ask questions. And then my last idea, talk to the kids that when they get home, there's no I mean, less resistance. It's always my assumption that if you're coming to hear somebody talk about diabetes, you're not there because things are going great. You know what I mean? Like, you know, people with like, five, five a one sees aren't like running around asking people how insulin works and stuff like that. And so when I thought of that, zack, zack, you ever curse? I don't want to get you in trouble. Rarely, yeah, I just pulled that out of my ass. You know what I mean, man, like I was on the phone with somebody. And they're like, What do you want to do? And I made don't tell anybody that I made all that up. It was on the phone. It isn't something like I masterminded in a lab. I said it out loud to somebody. And as I was saying, and I thought, Oh, that makes sense. And then I paused like, I wonder if she's gonna let me do this. And then she did. And I was like, oh, and then I went and did and I'm like, Oh, I think that worked. And then I did it again. And again. And again. Yours is the last time I ever did it because of COVID. And I'm just really, like, I'm thrilled it worked out for you. What is your agency's EQ?

Zach 37:29
Was it 5.6? Last time?

Nancy 37:31
Yeah. Yeah,

Scott Benner 37:32
that's legit. Congratulations. Seriously, man, good job. It's not easy. Like I know, it can start feeling like oh, this is how it goes. And it's normal. But there are a lot of people walking around with they'd murder you for that a one sees that? You know, maybe mentor people would be people would still, they'd at least break into your house for like, that's a really, that's a legit thing. That's well done. Yeah, that's you and your mom. Are you guys a team?

Zach 38:03
I think my entire family other than my, my one sibling. But yeah.

Scott Benner 38:09
Real quick. So some siblings are helpful, and one of them isn't?

Zach 38:14
Well, I only have one sibling. Oh, they kind of help but

Scott Benner 38:21
I just, I was just hoping to get you to badmouth a sibling, but since that's not what's gonna happen, we can move on. That's fine.

Nancy 38:27
His his brother is two years older than him. And he's six, almost 16. So not too involved in being helpful about this diabetes?

Scott Benner 38:41
I don't know. I mean, do you really expect your brother to be helpful?

Zach 38:45
No, not really.

Scott Benner 38:46
I wouldn't either. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'm with you. Like, do you need help?

Zach 38:54
In certain areas, yes. Like the carb counting, and like splitting the carbs up with like, the long absorption time and the shortened function time. But other than that part,

Scott Benner 39:05
no, you don't need help. Like, like from like, like you're buying me. What would your brother help you with?

Zach 39:11
I don't know. He would probably just be staring at my phone. Wait, why are you doing taco? Yeah, that's three hour absorption time.

Scott Benner 39:21
Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Nancy 39:23
You're not eating tacos.

Scott Benner 39:26
He probably wouldn't be three tacos.

How? How are you overnight? Is there stability with the loop overnight, Nancy?

Nancy 39:35
Yeah, you know, um, my husband takes the night shift. I'm going to be honest, and he's just a night owl and I at 10 o'clock I'm out. And but, you know, he was having some lows. Like when I was talking about we've had to reduce his insulin Basal rate a pretty good bit and he was having some lows, but overall, yeah, he's pretty stable overnight.

Scott Benner 40:04
Huh? Cool. That's excellent. As far as you know, but you're asleep.

Nancy 40:08
Well, I, I, I know. Believe me.

Scott Benner 40:14
Nancy, how would you work that out? Is it something you can say in front of your son or No?

Nancy 40:22
Listen, this is how it all just happily worked out. So

Scott Benner 40:26
I think you're full of crap. But okay, that's fine.

Okay. That's hilarious. Zach, I'm going to ask you like a ham fisted question that I don't usually ask on the podcast, because I don't like to say I don't. I don't like my podcast to sound like everybody else's. But for a half a second, if, if you if somebody asked you to describe what it's like to have diabetes, what would you tell them?

Zach 40:59
That's a difficult question. Um, I would say it's your, your it's basically life, but just a little more numbers. And you have to manage your life life a little more? Well, okay. I'm like, it is a difficult question. Alright. Take your time. Ah I, I'd say. I mean, for the first year, a few years, I mean, it's difficult to like comprehend, like, the like what you guys need to do because like, first there's carbs, then there's the Basal rates, like for how much you need throughout the entire day, even without the carbs and you need to add the carbs with the Bolus. And then you have to figure out the Bolus from the carbs. But after you get past that stage, it's pretty easy. All you need to do there is just like, add the carbs out. But it's, it's not that hard to live with. It's, it's, it gives me some perks to

Scott Benner 42:24
go ahead. What.

Zach 42:26
Okay, I'm perks like meeting you. Or

Scott Benner 42:33
I start your sign. You don't have to you don't think kiss my ass. Zack just is there anything good about having diabetes? Are you just trying to be polite? What's going

Zach 42:42
on? I mean, it's true. Yeah.

Scott Benner 42:46
It opened for people. Like it sounds weird. They don't know how great I am. You know, made me. Yeah, yeah. You met me in person. You know, it's, it's an amazing, it's experience. Did you hear angels singing when you saw me or no? Did that not happen?

Zach 42:59
Yeah, there were in the background, like in the corners of the room. And then like, there was just like spotlight on you in the middle of the room.

Scott Benner 43:06
A lot of people report that that's why I asked. So yeah. How did you like Jenny? Nancy, how did you

Nancy 43:14
like? Yeah, yeah, I enjoyed listening to her. Definitely.

Scott Benner 43:18
Oh, not as much excitement for me.

Nancy 43:21
We were, you know, we were already doing really well, with agency and managing and everything. And so I don't know if I could take away as much as other people. And maybe that's making me sound like I'm full of myself. I don't know. But, you know, but definitely, I enjoyed, you know, listening to her. Cool.

Scott Benner 43:49
I have to admit, that one blew my mind a little bit. The Atlanta one because there were there were a lot of people there that traveled a great distance to get there. And it flipped me out a little bit. So, you know, I was like, wow, like they repeat their bag. Remember before one of the talks, people we were talking before, before we got going and people were saying how far they had come and some people drove like, from different states and wow, multiple hours. And I was like, Oh, that's awesome. Now, you think that but it's a lot of pressure. You're like God, they really, I better say something important. Right? Imagine if I freeze up, Zach. And all of a sudden, like people are like, Hey, I drove here from Tennessee. What are you doing? Let's say something. But there were a number of people there that were there to meet me, which that was the first time I experienced that on on such a significant level. Like that. So many people told me I just came here so we could say hello. And that's when I recognized. It's one of the times I recognized how impactful the podcast had been that people would do that was kind of staggering to me actually. And I wasn't worrying Zack. Now, excellent.

Zach 45:03
You were talking about an insulin cell and a carb cell like doing a tug of war?

Scott Benner 45:10
I am entertaining. I hear what you're saying. Yeah. Oh my gosh. Alright, so. So Nancy, then most of what you learned, you learned through the podcast,

Nancy 45:24
that and surfing and shiver surfing, I kind of they're very similar, you know, and just the way you think about it. And yeah, I, I do have to say, I'm pretty disappointed with the education that you get from, like, the endocrinologist and, you know, I mean, at the hospital, they give you the don't die advice. But you know, I felt like there had to be more because it was such a roller coaster with their instruction. And so at like, a year and a half in, I just started seeking out whatever, I could find information on how to do it and found your podcast. And that just I joined a bunch of Facebook groups and and

Scott Benner 46:22
yeah, Was that helpful, like meeting other people online?

Nancy 46:27
Sometimes helpful, and there are some some groups that are helpful, and some that are more people just asking for help, you know? And

Scott Benner 46:39
they don't always have the answers. You're saying?

Nancy 46:43
Not not all groups are the same? No, there are some really great ones. And I do feel like the podcast juicebox group is it's been great. I tried to reach out and help people whenever they need it. I'm, you know, of course, we're part of the looped group on Facebook. And I used to be a mentor on there. And I'm still mentoring several people, but just kind of was overwhelmed with how many requests so I don't know how you do it. But yeah, so I just, I try to help people mainly now on there, but I did learn some on there, too.

Scott Benner 47:25
That's interesting. Tell me a little more about that, like the, you see, you're trying to help people online. So I'm assuming you amassed this knowledge, and you suddenly realized that Well, I can explain this to other people, and this would be helpful to them. And that's something you wanted to do.

Nancy 47:41
Yeah, I just I felt like I, I would feel bad hearing about people's roller coasters or, you know, just struggles and knowing that there's a way to avoid it. I wanted to share and help them and you know, of course, with looped in with DIY loop and kind of being responsible for making your own setting changes anyway, because most endos won't really help with that yet. Just helping them you know, following their kids Nightscout. And being in regular communication about that I just, I just feel a responsibility to help people.

Scott Benner 48:29
How did it become overwhelming?

Nancy 48:32
Well, you know, because when I mentor someone, I can't just look at their Nightscout once a day, I would be looking at every meal and communicating with the parent most of the time, you know, Hey, what did you have to eat? Well, how did you enter the absorption and when you have when you're doing that, for five or six people at a time, every day, it can get overwhelming. And last, right before Christmas last year, I just decided I needed to remove my name from the mentorship tab and just kind of continue helping who I was already helping. And so that's every once in a while, if I see somebody asking questions, and I feel led to help them I'll send them a message but I don't get more requests.

Scott Benner 49:32
Gotcha. Yeah. Did you find that people wanted to stay with you longer than you felt like they needed you?

Nancy 49:40
Sometimes, and I think it's been a learning process for me, of how to impart more of my knowledge about it. And let them take over more, you know, instead of just continually just helping them or telling them how to make the adjustments,

Scott Benner 50:05
I find that after you're at it for a while, it's very it's more impactful to ask them questions that you know will lead to the answers you were going to give them so that they can find the answer on their own or at least feel like they did. And then they can start it, it's easier for them to wire together, they start putting two and two together easier. Like I do it on the Facebook group to like, there's sometimes people ask questions, and I know the answer. And instead of telling them the answer, I asked them a question that leads them to the answer. And then you're not just teaching them you're teaching the other people that are watching as well. But how do I do it? I mean, I don't say yes to everybody. Right? There are people who email me that I'll get like, I sometimes answer an email six weeks after I receive it. And the the trick to that is to you have to let go your guilt. Yeah. Did you feel real driven by guilt when people ask questions? Like you had to get back to them? Or it was unfair, if you didn't like that kind of stuff for no.

Nancy 51:15
There is no not getting back to them. For me, yeah, so definitely, you know, I just I feel led to help them, you know, and so, yeah, I guess there was guilt if other things were going on, and I couldn't, you know,

Scott Benner 51:37
Zack, can I ask you, and you can be honest, your mom won't be upset if you're honest. Did it bother you that she was helping other people? Or did you like it? Or do you not even really not even aware of it?

Zach 51:49
So I was aware of what I was aware of it. I just, I didn't I thought it was fine. I thought it was good that she was helping other people.

Scott Benner 51:59
Yeah, yeah, you just you did. But you didn't have like a, like, Why isn't she helping me?

Zach 52:06
No, she she helped me as well. Yeah. But she just had other people to help as well.

Scott Benner 52:12
Did it wasn't noticeable. Like, it sounds like she was spread a little thin. Did you feel like that? Like was she like, at eight o'clock at night instead of where she normally is? Was she helping someone or on the phone with a person or something like that?

Zach 52:26
Sometimes, but so sometimes whenever, like, late at night, whenever she was dealing with a one family. Sometimes she just like, tells me like what's been going on with them. And my she kind of complained or not complain, but like, tells me what their problem is. Right. And I think it's kind of funny, but I mean, it's not funny. They do have a problem. But

Scott Benner 52:57
what do you think, Nancy?

Nancy 52:59
No, I was just thinking I was venting. Like, oh, why aren't they getting this? You know? Yeah,

Scott Benner 53:07
yeah, it's, um, I would say that one of the things I'm more proud of is, is you're being attacked. Zach, get out of the bed and lock the door. Oh, boy.

Unknown Speaker 53:21
Oh my gosh, excuse me. Hold

Scott Benner 53:22
off. Are you in Canada? Zack? What's going on? Zack, you're not Canadian. Are you? No, no. All right. Where do you get to? Where do you get a wolf from? What is that kind of dog? Is that

Zach 53:37
golden doodle? My dog is crazy. He is runs around slamming into like, the the couches, the table. Anything he can see. They don't

Scott Benner 53:53
tell you. The dog. Nope. What do they say? It's a hypoallergenic. Yeah, that's what they said doesn't shed.

Zach 54:03
That's exactly why we got it. My brother is allergic to dogs and cats.

Scott Benner 54:07
Oh, so Nancy, you get a dog that doesn't shed and is hypoallergenic but it runs into the furniture. What is it? What actually the dog was that? Zach said the dog runs into everything. It's crazy.

Nancy 54:22
Man's into everything. He does shed. The Shed. Yeah, well, we thought so too. But we paid a lot of money for a shedding dog.

Scott Benner 54:37
And it's got a stupid name. No offense. Other people have won. I mean, golden doodle. How do you say that with a straight face to people? It was that dog? Oh, it's a golden doodle. And he's black. Really? Yeah. Was he supposed to be another color? Did you did you I'm about to say did you buy him when he was black? I know he's alive. I'm supposed to say get him but did you? Did you? I don't know.

Nancy 54:59
Yeah. We picked him he was black, but his, the poodle in him is more black. So he just carried that trait but he's still golden retriever and poodle mix.

Scott Benner 55:14
My mom's poodle tried to bite me when I was a baby. She got rid of it right away. She's on my, on my team. You know that dog went right to the moon. I don't even know if they they put it in the trunk of a car and drove into a lake or something. It was. Oh, boy. It was the 70s Zach. You don't even you can kill people in the 70s didn't even matter. You're allowed to smoke in a restaurant in the 70s. Zach. Exactly. How many people do you know that smoke cigarettes?

Zach 55:41
Um, not many. Right? Not Not a lot,

Scott Benner 55:45
right? When I was your age, everyone I knew smoke cigarettes. adults, children, babies. Puppies didn't matter. Everyone had cigarettes. Now they don't. Can you imagine? Yeah. Sitting in a restaurant with like four people smoking at a table.

Nancy 56:03
Now they vape. So

Scott Benner 56:05
they do it interesting. They do it indoors? Well, no.

Nancy 56:09
I can't remember if vaping is illegal indoors to or not.

Scott Benner 56:15
Exactly. vaping. Or, you know, sec, what if I asked you a string of embarrassing questions in front of your mom right now? I won't do it. Don't worry. It's not a big deal. Thank you. Yeah, no problem. You got your eye on any ladies. Anything going on there? No, nothing? Not yet. No, you're thinking of the future? How you how you think it is? I'm sorry? I didn't mean to be presumptuous. In any guys. Anything like that? No, no. All right. Well, let me know if something pops up.

Zach 56:49
Okay, I'll email you.

Scott Benner 56:50
I think Yeah, send a note. That's a good idea. Because what I need is the government coming and finding an email from a 15 year old that tells me that he is interested in somebody, right? Because that won't look anything. Don't never email me. Zack, what are you talking about stopping?

Zach 57:05
Being sarcastic. I'm not going to email you about my relationship status.

Scott Benner 57:11
If you do, I'm calling your mom and I'm telling you there's something wrong with you. Okay. Nancy, is there any other autoimmune in your family?

Nancy 57:22
My husband has hypo thyroid.

Scott Benner 57:25
That's a yes. What else? We got? Hashimotos?

Nancy 57:29
I don't think so. No. I had like, my mother has hypo thyroid. And both of her parents had it. But no, nothing else that I can think of

Scott Benner 57:46
Zack, your thyroid works. Okay. Yes. Are you pretty sure.

Nancy 57:53
We just haven't checked? It's good.

Scott Benner 57:55
Sorry. Pretty sure. Is your you said brother, right. Brother is he does he think you believe Nancy? That he's concerned about diabetes or anything like that?

Nancy 58:10
No, I don't believe so. There have been over the course of five years, maybe once or twice that he's exhibited some sort of symptom. And I checked his blood sugar and he was completely fine. Also, we've done trial net several years ago, and he didn't have any of the markers. So I think he's, he's not worried about it.

Scott Benner 58:44
Any anger, there's act that it's you and not him?

Zach 58:51
Well, not really. I mean, I got some benefit from it that he didn't, but like, yeah, no, I, I don't really think that he deserved it. I don't think either of us deserved. Yeah,

Scott Benner 59:09
I did that stuck with me. I didn't expect you were gonna say yes. That actually if you just said yes, I would have signaled to your mom that you needed psychiatric care. But I just, I just wanted to get the answer from you. i i have the bigger ideas that that it's not a right, exactly. And I tell you a secret. I'm hoping I'm hoping that the people listening can hear that it's not such a big deal to you and that you're okay. Yeah, you know what I mean? And so that's why I'm asking you questions like that. Not so that you're not so that you'll but but if you have some deep dark secret, like, I mean, probably tell somebody you don't I mean, if you can't tell your mom tell another professional something like that. They used to be when I was a kid, tell them other adult but I gotta be honest with you. I've met a lot of adults. I don't think I would do that. Tell a teacher but then every day I turn on the news. There's a teacher like to have had sex with a kid and I'm like, I don't know. Like, how do I know it's not one of them when I'm telling them? You know what I mean? So, yeah, that many teachers do that. I'm not saying that. I'm saying hello, qualified professional if you have any problems, doctor, something like that. All right, Zach, you promise? Yeah. I think Zack and I are both sarcasm each other into a hole. What do you think of that?

Nancy 1:00:26
I think it's true. Yeah.

Scott Benner 1:00:28
Where do you where do you get this sarcasm from? Zack, I don't even know if people can read it. Yours is so tight and quiet. But is it from? Is it from your mom or your dad?

Zach 1:00:39
Ah, I'd say from my brother. But that's not true. Because it can't. But it's probably from my dad's side.

Nancy 1:00:47
You think Nancy is definitely definitely

Scott Benner 1:00:50
hard to be married to a sarcastic person. And so yes or no.

Nancy 1:00:54
At times, yes.

Scott Benner 1:00:57
Do you ever wonder sometimes, like, why is he joking about everything?

Nancy 1:01:01
Oh, it's so annoying at times.

Scott Benner 1:01:07
My wife's like, this isn't funny. I was like, well to you, because it's happening to you. But to the rest of us. It's hilarious. So just like you're ganging up on me, I'm like, You're the one that dropped the food on your shirt. Like, I don't know what you want us to do? Should we just sit here and pretend it didn't happen? You know what I mean? It's like, that's what you gotta do? Sack you bust your parents balls? Or how are you with that stuff?

Zach 1:01:29
Um, no, I? If, well, what? In what scenarios? All of like,

Scott Benner 1:01:38
oh, I don't know. I've raised my children to be so free with themselves. Like, I mean, other times when kids don't say anything. That'd be great. Maybe I should have done that instead.

Zach 1:01:47
Not not? Well, most of the time. I don't say anything. You just buy? Sometimes. Like if they like get on my nerves like my dad, if he makes us a really, really, really, really bad joke. Or like, it it just sometimes, but not, not really not really.

Scott Benner 1:02:08
Do you know it took my wife two years to stop doing this thing. My kids would come up to her with a video and say Mom, check this out. And my wife's first question was Who is that? And my kids would go Mom, I don't know everybody on the internet. And that was always how it went. I think they were trying to like but she always assumed that she was being shown a video of somebody that they knew is literally took her like two years to stop asking. And they were unmerciful on her about it like just there were times where I would see the phone go in her face. And they'd be like, Mom, check this out. And she'd go Who is that? And Arden will take the phone away and say never mind. Like you're not allowed. You're not allowed to look at it now. Like you like you blow you're not allowed to have it. Are you that harsh to your arm or no? No, no, he's not. He's not harsh. Gotcha. No. Well, that's you keep being a good boy. Zack, you understand me? Zack, let me ask you another question. If Lucy their exact disappear. Oh, wait. We killed Oh, I get it back sorry. Know what happened? You okay?

Zach 1:03:24
Yeah, my phone has this time limit thing on my apps. And it's

Scott Benner 1:03:31
Nancy. Zack, let's talk about that for a second. They have a time limit on your apps. They're limiting your usage. Yeah. Tell her how you feel about that.

Zach 1:03:44
Okay, mom? Yeah. I have something to tell you. Okay. He told me to say this.

Scott Benner 1:03:55
No, I did. Just tell her how you feel. I'm not putting words.

Zach 1:04:00
Okay, so it's kind of annoying that when everyone listening because

Scott Benner 1:04:11
the app cut him off again. That's hilarious. Oh, my gosh. That's hilarious. I think we should leave him off now. He's being punished and we should get now Nancy, tell me all the things you hate about that kid. Go ahead.

Nancy 1:04:25
Oh, my goodness. That's all the stuff is trying to protect my kid.

Scott Benner 1:04:29
What are you tried to keep them from the porn? What do you do in Exactly? Oh, hours enough time.

Nancy 1:04:37
Right. I'm just trying to get them to do some homework and not be on zoom all the time.

Scott Benner 1:04:43
I see. Oh, God, I think Arden would burn the house down if I did that. Oh gosh. Yeah. Would that be great if she was chatting with some boy or something or a friend and her phone just shut off? Oh my gosh, she'd come in a room with a stick and hit me. I just have to

Nancy 1:04:59
go Do you Do you want me to? He's in the room here now see that? Yeah. Let me see.

Scott Benner 1:05:06
Zack This is Can he hear me? No. Can you hear me for the headphones? Zack put these headphones on while your mouse clicks she can't hear us now while she's fixing your phone. Can you hear me? Okay? Yeah, I can hear you. Listen to me. This is insulting. You have to do something about this. Alright. You seem. You seem like a reasonable kid. I don't think you're using your phone for harm. This needs to be fixed. You got to get out off. Okay. I'm going to try to help you when we get back on Okay.

Zach 1:05:39
Okay. All right. All right. Thank

Scott Benner 1:05:40
you for the heads up. Or you fell off. He didn't hear that part. Okay. Sorry about that. You're doing the right thing. You're a good mom. Stop him from using the phone. But what? What age are we going to let him use it for longer?

Nancy 1:05:59
How long is it coming soon? I'm sure. Yeah.

Scott Benner 1:06:02
Well, now at what time? Is your phone cut you off?

Nancy 1:06:06
Well, definitely, you know, he's still in middle school. So he might get some more freedom when high school comes like his brother. And we'll see definitely before college.

Zach 1:06:27
Alright, shall I continue?

Scott Benner 1:06:29
Zach, tell your mom Hi. This makes you feel good.

Zach 1:06:32
Okay, kind of annoys me that like, right when I'm online or like I'm doing something like say I was playing a game. It just cuts me off. At any time. Sometimes I don't even know when. But like, I it just cuts me off. Like say I was in a call like now. I I'm just in the middle of a sentence I get cut off. Then I need to ask for time. But then, whenever I asked for time, it's I have to do something first. Okay, I'll do the thing. And then I get I get a little bit more time.

Scott Benner 1:07:09
Okay, you're not so I'm trying to do your friends mock you on mercifully about this. They treat you like lesser than because this happens to sometimes. Zack, have you ever been bullied about this? No, no. I'm glad you have.

Nancy 1:07:23
Yes. He has way more freedom than a lot of his friends. So I don't even want to hear it. Do

Scott Benner 1:07:29
you feel like that's true, Zach? No, no. Okay. Do you think that your mom's trying to protect you? Or do you think she's being over protective?

Zach 1:07:38
Both? Well, yeah. Both?

Scott Benner 1:07:41
What would you do with more time?

Zach 1:07:44
What would I do with more time?

Scott Benner 1:07:46
If you have more on your phone? What would you do with it? Oh,

Zach 1:07:49
if I had more time on my phone I mean, I wouldn't really do much. I if I had an hour. If I was on a call. At least it wouldn't cut me off.

Scott Benner 1:08:04
So it's more about freedom. You wouldn't start doing more things or extra stuff. You just would have some more freedom.

Zach 1:08:09
I mean, not really. No. Yeah. It's just a little more freedom. Yeah.

Scott Benner 1:08:13
What apps are you on? Are you on Instagram?

Zach 1:08:16
No, I don't have any social media. You don't have to

Scott Benner 1:08:19
tick tock? No. Oh, Zack. Is it because you don't want it? You're not allowed. Not allowed. It's a pretty big trend on tick tock right now, Zack. Here is I think you would like it. Oh, no. Just saying. Anyway, I don't think I can tell you about it. But a lot of people seem to be dancing without undergarments at this point. So yeah, it's crazy, man. This is what you're missing.

Nancy 1:08:52
That's just what we need more of

Scott Benner 1:08:56
think. No, I have to be honest with you. I'm at the point. Now I'm at the age where I'm like, I like my kids are like scrolling and I'm like, does anyone wear a bra at this point? And I told her is like not right now. And I was like, what she goes it's a it's a massive trend right now. And I was like, Oh my God. Wow. Like what are we doing Zach? Right. We don't want to see we wouldn't you know, you know I'm saying?

Zach 1:09:20
Yeah, now Tik Tok is off the list. Yeah.

Scott Benner 1:09:24
At all. Is there an app you wish you had that? that you think would be reasonable for you to have?

Zach 1:09:32
I get these two confused, but which one is the one where it doesn't have videos, but like, you can, like message your friends? What's it like?

Scott Benner 1:09:42
Is that WhatsApp?

Zach 1:09:45
It's the one between Instagram or Snapchat?

Scott Benner 1:09:48
It's Snapchat. Yeah. Who wants that?

Zach 1:09:53
Yeah, just that I wouldn't want like tick tock or Instagram.

Scott Benner 1:09:56
Nancy. Why can't he have Snapchat?

Nancy 1:09:59
I don't know. Okay, I'm going to figure out why he can't.

Scott Benner 1:10:02
When you look when you look into it, or will you just come up with a reason why it's a no,

Nancy 1:10:06
no, I mean, sure, I would look into it if I feel like he could be safe or I could secure it somehow, then I would consider it.

Scott Benner 1:10:18
And Zach, you just want to like have streaks with your friends, right? Yeah, yeah, Nancy, they just want to listen. They just want to hold their phone up to their face, take a picture of their forehead and send it to each other and see how many days in a row they can do it. That is exactly what they

Nancy 1:10:31
do. Cool. Oh my gosh. That sounds like so much fun. I'm keeping him from.

Scott Benner 1:10:38
You're stopping him from having a full life. Nancy of Santa Fe as far ahead pictures to his other stupid friends so they can send their forehead pictures back. I see how you're ruining everything.

Nancy 1:10:49
We have allowed. Zach what's Oh, Deviant Art. He Zack is an artist. Okay. And so he is allowed to post his art on this. I don't. I guess it's social media, because you're sharing your art. But yeah.

Scott Benner 1:11:10
All right. Well, Zach, what do you do you draw or paint? Or what do you do?

Zach 1:11:16
Yeah, I do illustrations. I usually do. Only pencil. But sometimes I do. Pen and I'm getting into digital art.

Scott Benner 1:11:26
Wow. That's very cool. Maybe your mom can send me something. So I can say it. Would that be alright, pick out one. Cool. And I have one more question before I ask you the kind of closing question which is how did you break your arm? Why are you in a cast?

Zach 1:11:42
Oh, um, so I was playing tennis with my dad and one of his work friends when they pushed you down? Yes, my dad was extremely mean and like, because we lost he pushed me down. Unbelievable. Now, so what happened was, the person we were playing against was, uh, he hit the ball to me. And I was supposed to hit it with a backhand. If you know what that is. It's where you're using your left hand.

Scott Benner 1:12:12
Don't stop me, Zack. I understand what a backhand is. Go ahead. Go ahead. Okay. Okay.

Zach 1:12:15
So I was supposed to hit a backhand back with, but I am really good with my right arm. So I'd wanted to do a forehand. So I was backing up extremely fast. And I tripped on my feet. And I fell backwards onto my hands. And right when I got up it like my hand was dangling in a really bad position. And my mom, right when she saw it, she knew it was broken because she saw like, white on this skin. Or like,

Scott Benner 1:12:50
was pressing. Yes. Yeah. Fun times how that feels.

Zach 1:12:55
Yeah, I felt like I was about to pass out, like get hurt a lot.

Scott Benner 1:12:59
They see his blood sugar shoot up immediately.

Nancy 1:13:02
Yeah, he got pretty hot. Well, he got into the 180s, which is unusual for him. And you know, we immediately went to urgent care. And then we had to go to the hospital. But he ended up having to get pins in his wrist because of the the way it broke. So still in the healing process, but it was really only that day that we had issues with his blood sugar.

Scott Benner 1:13:32
I came back after that. Okay. Yeah. Well, I hope that heals well, for you, Nancy, I'm gonna ask you, is there anything that we haven't talked about that you wish we would have?

Nancy 1:13:41
I don't think so. We did. Okay.

Scott Benner 1:13:42
Yeah, exactly. Do you have a good time?

Zach 1:13:46
Yes. Excellent. Other than the time cutting off, but like, yeah,

Scott Benner 1:13:51
that was hilarious. You have no idea. The second time it happened. Zack, you were in the middle of sticking up for yourself. You were like, here's why. We're just gone. I was like, that's perfect. i The part of me toyed with ending the podcast right there. Like how great would it be? If you started complaining, and then the podcast just ended and it was over?

Zach 1:14:10
That'd be great. That's

Scott Benner 1:14:11
what I shouldn't be perfect. But I kept talking to you. No, well, no, I screwed up. It's my it's my mistake. All right. I really appreciate you guys coming on and doing this. I'm thrilled that you're doing so well. And it sounds like you know, you guys are really kicking butt. It's fantastic. Thank you. Congratulations, man.

Nancy 1:14:31
I definitely appreciate you and I think it's awesome how many people you're helping and just keep keep doing it.

Scott Benner 1:14:39
Thank you. I will I my secret. You said you don't know how I do it earlier. My secret is I just promise ads to companies then I take their money and then I am I absolutely have to make a podcast then afterwards. It's No, I don't mean it like that. I mean, it's that it's a responsibility is helpful. You know what I mean? Like if it right, if it was just random, or I put one up once in a while or, you know, even once a week, you could probably get away with being lazy about it. But when it's a job, it's it's kind of good. It keeps you moving. So right, because everybody has days, they don't want to do something, but I don't I don't get that opportunity. So, right. I appreciate it very much.

Nancy 1:15:22
Okay. All right. So I do have to ask you, and maybe the opposite is gonna be personal. Oh, no, no. Well, it's about the World Series. So I don't know if you want to. Who are you reading for?

Scott Benner 1:15:34
Well, I mean, I'm a Phillies fan. So I'm absolutely mortified that the the Braves are in the World Series. Terrible. And if only they would spontaneously combust is the only way I could be. So wow, have the Braves winning the World Series, which by the way, it looks like they're going to do

Nancy 1:15:55
that was a pretty good game last night. Well, for

Scott Benner 1:15:57
you if you're a Braves fan. It was if you're an Astros fan. I have to be honest, if I'm really breaking down this World Series, which people are going to hear about six months after it happened. I'm a Phillies fan. Lifelong. I don't like seeing that, that anybody else in the division do well besides us, obviously. It's very cool to watch Adam Duvall play because he has type one. And I still think the Astros cheated and I want them to lose. So okay, I'm happy to see them.

Nancy 1:16:30
That you're rooting for them to lose, but not the Braves to win. I see.

Scott Benner 1:16:34
Honestly, I'm just watching them because they're baseball games. I love baseball. And these are the last potentially seven games of the year. So yeah, you know, but it was cool to see Duvall hit that homerun. He's having a really like a hell of a season. So yeah. So while I ask you, Zack, before you go, does that do anything for you to watch someone with type one on television accomplishing something at a high level?

Zach 1:16:57
Um, I mean, I so I don't watch the baseball games a lot. Because I'm not like a big sports watcher.

Scott Benner 1:17:07
Using the describe baseball, go ahead. The baseball game but any game in sports? I I put that aside, like Do you get any bump from that at all? Like, oh, that I heard last night a guy hit a homerun in the World Series. He has type one does it? Because here's my theory, Nancy. I think it means a lot to parents. Because I think they want to point to it for their kids. Like Look, baby, you meanwhile, Adam Duvall is one of 3000 professional baseball players in the world. None of us can do what he's doing. It's an absolute, like, just a randomness. You don't I mean, that he has diabetes is really cool. But I think it's a thing, generally speaking that parents use, and I understand why like to kind of give them their kids a little bolster. I don't know if their parents care. I don't know if the kids care. Like,

Nancy 1:17:59
I, I agree with you, you know, last night or not that last night, but they were watching one of the division games, and I mentioned it to Zach. And he was like, and, you know, yeah, so I but I kind of feel like it maybe has to do with the age of the kid? I don't know or how far they are into diagnosis. I'm not really sure. Yeah,

Scott Benner 1:18:22
I'm sure it's listen, I'm sure. For some people. It's really meaningful. I'm not I'm not saying that. I'm just saying that overwhelmingly online. You know, you see, parents are always asking, like, can you get on an athlete that has diabetes? Can you get on a famous person that has diabetes? Can I'm always like, Oh, no, like I rather I like talking to regular people better? Honestly, like sometimes. I mean, there's people I've jived with in the past. Sam folds been on a couple of times, and he's a former MLB player. And I just like Sam, I don't think it matters to me that he played baseball. And like, there's everybody's like, can you get them to all on the podcast? Like I be people cannot possibly ask me one more time about that. And there's part of me that's like, I could but I'm just gonna become like a baseball fan and talk to him about baseball for an hour. And you're gonna and you'll be surprised. I bet you you say to him, like, hey, how do you manage your diabetes? You'll be like, I just want my pump. It's not going to be some grand secret that he has that the rest of you don't have, you know, right. So, all right. Well, I appreciate you saying that. And I'm thank you for making me come out against the Braves on in a recording. It's fine. If I'm an adult, Zach, to be honest with you. I don't give a crap who wins the World Series? I just want to watch baseball, you know?

Zach 1:19:38
Yeah, I don't either. But I'll watch it.

Scott Benner 1:19:42
Yeah, I actually to be honest. Most of my life, like that's not how stuff occurs to me. You know, if I sit and watch a football game, you know, and the Eagles win. I'm like, Oh, the Eagles won. And if the Eagles lose, I go oh, the Eagles lost. I don't like it. I don't understand when sports that Other people are playing impacts you so greatly that you're upset by it or, like I was excited when the Eagles won the Super Bowl for like an hour. And then I was an adult, and then it was over. I was like, oh, yeah, well, that was fun. Anyway,

Nancy 1:20:13
yeah. I'm definitely getting into the series because we're from Atlanta, and I want to support the home team. But of course, everybody in this house is, Mom, why are you getting so into this game? You know, that sort of thing? But I'm usually I don't have to watch every game or anything like that.

Scott Benner 1:20:37
Oh, well, I'll let you make a prediction as a non like, God, who's gonna win the series and how many games to what?

Nancy 1:20:44
Of course, the Braves? Maybe four to one.

Scott Benner 1:20:51
Let's say it's not gonna happen.

Nancy 1:20:54
I'll cross my fingers

Scott Benner 1:20:55
World Series between two good teams. It'll least go six games. Really? Yep. And and 100%. This could. I mean, this could go seven. It really could if you know, I think you just got you got stuck last night where the Braves starting pitcher Charlie Morton came out and just was on fire and he shut the he shot the Astros down. The Braves put up a couple of points and you just it swings the wrong way. You got really good took a big hit because Charlie Morton broke his leg last night.

Nancy 1:21:27
I know, I saw that he was able to pitch like, I don't know.

Scott Benner 1:21:32
Couple more. And then he realized Yeah, terrible. Yeah. Pretty amazing work. So and he's an old guy. So he's gonna need every day to come back next year. Alright guys, thank you very much for doing this. Hold on one second. Okay. Okay.

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#679 I Choose Leah

Amy's daughter Leah has type 1 diabetes.

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Scott Benner 0:00
Hello friends, and welcome to episode 679 of the Juicebox Podcast.

On today's show I'll be speaking with Amy, she is the mother of Leah. Leah is the one with type one diabetes, and so many different things. I almost call this episode spicy child panic room. But in the end, I chose Lia. Please remember while you're listening, that nothing you hear on the Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice, medical or otherwise, always consult a physician before making any changes to your healthcare plan. We're becoming bold with insulin. If you're a US resident who has type one diabetes, or is the caregiver of someone with type one, please go to T one D exchange.org. Forward slash juicebox now and fill out the survey, the survey will take you fewer than 10 minutes and you will be helping people with type one diabetes. T one D exchange.org. Forward slash juice box. Spicy child there were a lot of good options in this one you'll see.

This show is sponsored today by the glucagon that my daughter carries. G voc hypo Penn. Find out more at G voc glucagon.com. Forward slash Juicebox Podcast is also sponsored today by us med you can get your diabetes supplies at US med us med always provides 90 days worth of supplies and fast free shipping. To find out more and get your free benefits check. Go to us med.com Ford slash juice box or call 888721151 For me, I didn't start the recording because we had to shut the thing down and start it back up again. I'm shooting Oh my God. All right. Oh, no.

Amy 2:19
Okay, or we can start over this

Scott Benner 2:21
does not happen often. You were doing so it's recording now. I am mortified. Hold on. No. No. Are you kidding? What if I wouldn't have looked up in the first couple of minutes? What if like an hour from now we were like, Oh my God. What did that mean? You're like, well, that's how your face ended up on the Washington. Yeah,

Amy 2:41
I'm not I'm not gonna call my child the demons seeds. So.

Scott Benner 2:47
Now this part has to stay in, so I'll beat that out. Don't worry. Okay, Amy, I'm trying to think of the best way to do this. I don't want to make you restyle

Amy 2:58
it's fine. I can shorten it a little bit. You know,

Scott Benner 3:00
I just I don't want to put you in a weird position where you're like, Oh, God, I just had this three seconds ago. Give me a second now. I'm I'm old. I my adrenaline's pumping. I just broke out like one of those little flop sweats. I was like, guys so disappointed in myself. Hold on. It's totally. I stare at this screen four to five times a week, and I watch it go past me and I'm looking at it and I'm like, What's it not doing that? It usually does? Oh, yeah. Recording. Okay, real quick. So I'm so embarrassed. Introduce yourself again.

Amy 3:35
I'm sorry. Okay, you ready?

Scott Benner 3:37
I am. Sarcasm maybe? No, no.

Amy 3:41
Not at all. All right. Okay. Hi. I'm Amy, and I'm a mom of three kids. I have a 16 year old daughter, 13 year old son, and a 10 year old daughter and she is my type one.

Scott Benner 3:57
Okay. Boy, I'm so irritated with myself right now. I gotta let it go. Let me shake my network. Let it go. Let it fall. Good. Do this one time. She looked very relaxed when it was over. But so it's probably easier for her to forget things. Don't you think? A billion dollars you can just shrug things off a little easier.

Amy 4:17
100%.

Scott Benner 4:18
So Leah was diagnosed last year during the summer? Yes. Is that correct? I do want to hear the part that you told me before. So you shared that since she's been a little kid. What did you tell me? Her teachers told you?

Amy 4:35
Yeah. So when Leah was in preschool, her first year of preschool, her three year old class went to pick her up one day and her teacher was like, I'm really worried about Leah. She's thirsty all the time. She's going to the bathroom all the time. That's a sign of diabetes. And I was like, Okay, and so I took her to the doctor. She's like, you know, you should get her checked. So I took her to the doctor and I said her preschool teacher thinks she has diabetes. So What do we need to do? And I had no clue. You know, I knew nothing about type one. And so, you know, my dad has type two, but I just wasn't, you know, anyway, so I knew it wasn't that. But so I took her to the doctor and they checked her urine and they're like, Nope, there's no glucose in her urine. She's fine. Everything's good. And then the next year and her four year old class, the other preschool teacher said, Leah's drinking and going to the bathroom all the time. And I was like, Well,

Scott Benner 5:31
last year, same preschool as the

Amy 5:34
Yeah, same preschool. Yeah. And so I took her to the doctor again, and they checked her urine, again, no glucose in the urine. They said she's fine. And then I want to say, at least one or two more times after that, I brought it up that she pees a lot and she drinks a lot, and she wets the bed a lot. And the doctor just kind of shrugged it off. And he was like, it's probably just behaviorally. Like she's too lazy to go to the bathroom. Like, I wasn't really and I just kind of accepted it. You know? I'm like, well, they they checked what they needed to check and I just kind of moved on. They never checked her blood, which in retrospect, I would have had them do. Um, well, then. Go ahead. Sorry,

Scott Benner 6:16
a behavioral thing, like so we're gonna get to it in a second. But Leah, streak in her. We're gonna call it for now. Right? She's,

Amy 6:24
she does. Yeah, I mean, I will say like, before she was diagnosed my husband and I would joke like, every day that she's alive, we lose a day of our life. We put her to bed at night. We're like, Oh, I just lost a day off the end. Because she, she's really before then. Before she was diagnosed, she was really, really difficult. And we had no idea why. But just really extreme mood swings, fighting with her siblings all the time. Like my first two kids. Like, I will honestly say, I cannot even remember them ever having to fight ever. Like they get along so well. And they're really easy to parent, great kids. And so I was just like, wow, we really the bed. I'm sorry, my lunch,

Scott Benner 7:17
if you want Sure.

Amy 7:19
And, you know, that's just kind of how I felt. I'm like, What did I do wrong? You know? And, yeah, so she's just always been really, really, I'll just say spicy, challenging, difficult.

Scott Benner 7:31
down to little things. Like if you said, Hey, can you throw me the remote? She'd be like, go to hell.

Amy 7:36
She would throw it out. No, she. I mean, she started like, you know, I mean, my older daughter has never said a cuss word never flipped me off. Never. But this one. I'd been I think she was like two or three. She would tell people she hated them. Sticking up her middle finger the wrong way. She would do it wrong. I was like, I'm gonna do it. How

Scott Benner 8:00
do you how do you do it wrong? She would like

Amy 8:02
hold her hands straight out and just stick out her middle finger straight out at me.

Scott Benner 8:07
Oh. Like she was the casting a spell on you. Like

Amy 8:11
that's what their middle finger? Yes. And so I was like, What did I do?

Scott Benner 8:21
You know, you went to a wedding and you drank too much apparently.

Amy 8:25
Well, you know what, what it was we had just moved into our house that we live in now. And it was like a three bedroom two bath. We're like oh my gosh, this house is so perfect. We have two kids three bedrooms.

Scott Benner 8:36
Bedroom got you or your husband? Did he do that thing? We should Chris in all the rooms in the house.

Amy 8:42
We didn't have cable for like two weeks. So that's what I blame it on. There was nothing else to do

Scott Benner 8:49
$200 and lost your sanity congratulate.

Amy 8:52
Oh my gosh. Oh, yeah. We've had to add on to our house like everything we had to get a bigger car because once you go to three kids it just you know you need a bigger car. You need a bigger house you need you know, and

Scott Benner 9:05
did the add on to the house for like a timeout room or a panic room we it goes off and everyone just runs to the panic room.

Amy 9:18
Yes, yes. Seriously? Oh my gosh.

Scott Benner 9:22
Even when she was like a little kid,

Amy 9:23
huh? You know, I will say she was the easiest baby like this sweetest, easiest baby. Super easy toddler. It was just once she hit three. So in my mind, I'm like wondering if and I don't even and of course the doctor is like, no way but I'm a touchy. I've had diabetes back then. And maybe just

Scott Benner 9:42
it's like, maybe like her blood. Yeah. Isn't fall.

Amy 9:46
Yeah. And maybe her she wasn't totally because even when she was diagnosed, she was she wasn't in DKA her agency was eight, you know? And she had she was not in DKA they sent me home you know Like after two hours, they sent us home. And then we had to go back the next day for training. But yeah, I mean, I just wonder if her pancreas has been kind of, you know, going in and out for years? I don't know. Yeah, it just makes me wonder.

Scott Benner 10:15
So in the spot where I wasn't recording, you told a great story about taking her to the doctor to get. Yes. So you didn't you didn't see you didn't sniff out diabetes. First, you sniffed out celiac first, you said because you have a friend whose children had celiac and it made you think about it. So they Yes. Tell me about that for a second.

Amy 10:36
Right. So you know, I was just noticing things about her where she was just after she would eat, she would say her stomach her. And she kind of looked like she was losing weight. And I would catch her eating like spoonfuls of sugar. And I was like, What is going on? And so to me, my mind went like, oh, like nutrient deficiency, which happens when you have celiac. And so my friend's daughter had been recently diagnosed. And we, like I said, we always follow the same pattern. Like she had a daughter, I had a daughter, she had a son, I listen, she had the third surprise, baby, I had the third surprise baby. So I'm like, Oh, your daughter got an autoimmune disease. Mine probably does, too. The only pattern we haven't followed is that her husband is gay now. I mean,

Unknown Speaker 11:24
hey, it ain't over yet.

Amy 11:29
We my kids joke. They're like, lose dad coming out.

Scott Benner 11:34
Get your friend, a lottery or something that would really by

Amy 11:36
No, I know. I'm like, I'm done copying you. Okay. Like,

Scott Benner 11:42
I want to immediately hang up with you and call her instead and talk to her all about that. I would love to hear about.

Amy 11:47
Oh, yes. Very interesting. But they're our best friends. And so yeah, we joke all the time. And, and she's like, Oh, it's never gonna come out with with, with Eric. It's not coming out even if he is

Scott Benner 12:00
your husband. Yes. She believes that even if your husband was gay, he wouldn't tell anyone. Right. I don't know. I hope he does. By the way. I mean, I don't. I don't hope he comes out. But I hope if he's living in a closeted life that he he

Amy 12:15
I would be I think I would be supportive. I don't know. No, I wouldn't

Scott Benner 12:20
be like, hey, what am I gonna do with all my life that I used up here? Yes. Yeah.

Amy 12:24
These 18 years exactly. Forget the gay part

Scott Benner 12:27
like any of it like I would. I'd be upset if Kelly walked and I'll tell you what Kelly said something to me one time broke my heart. She's broken my heart a number of times, but this one specifically. We're living you know, in a house

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Amy 15:39
Yeah, ya know, for sure. Especially like all your good years, you know?

Scott Benner 15:45
I don't know if it's wasted. Well, no, that's a tough call isn't wasted time. I don't know. Listen, we're gonna go down the wrong rabbit

Amy 15:53
hole. Yeah, that's another podcast. Speaking wrong,

Scott Benner 15:56
but I appreciate it when the humor hits immediately. Okay, so we should absorb that one for just another second. That was funny. Take the kids to the doctor's office for celiac. But you say yes. Good,

Amy 16:18
right. So I was like I told my, you know, my husband had been in the middle of working like two weeks straight, like 12 hour shifts. And I said, like, you have to come I know you're tired. But like, you have to come with me because it's going to take two of us to get blood from Leah. You know? And it it turned out it took four so we we get there and I just know from past it's like when she would go to get shots. She would like hide under the table under the chairs. It was she

Scott Benner 16:47
was always does she does she get like this she start boxing or does she just like

Amy 16:53
she's more like a like a curled up rigid body. Like drag her out? Yes, she does a little rigor mortis. And, yeah, and it's crazy. I'm like, you're small. But when you go rigor mortis, it's really hard to lift them up on a table. So I just knew with her and especially just where her behavior was at that time. I mean, obviously she was feeling horrible. I didn't know why. And so it took me my husband, my 16 year old and the nurse we all had to like hold different limbs and body parts. Just to get the blood from her first during that. I think she cursed at us after in the car.

Scott Benner 17:40
She wouldn't in the public. Yeah, she didn't wanna do it in public, right?

Amy 17:43
No, no, she would never do it in front of people. But yeah, I'm pretty sure in the car. She threw some stuff at

Scott Benner 17:49
me. By the way to know where to do it.

Amy 17:53
Yeah, it's just like I said, I really? Wow. I don't know. So

Scott Benner 18:01
she noticed about herself. And back then do you think?

Amy 18:07
Yeah, like I think she she knows she was difficult. Yeah. And I think she realizes it was mostly because she just didn't feel good because I will say she's she's still Leah, but it's way better than it was back then. She's still she's still this there are still some similar things. It's just not as extreme you know. And my oh my kids laugh because on the Dexcom app I have a sweet Leah and they just think that's hilarious.

Scott Benner 18:37
Picked sweet because of the sugar aspect of you.

Amy 18:41
Yes. Definitely. And maybe I'm like maybe it'll just come true one day.

Scott Benner 18:49
Willard, but would you I'm in a will will are into it. But the other so the other two kids are kind of more mellow or do you think they just appear mellow next Alia?

Amy 18:58
Um, no, they're really good. I mean, I have no no complaints. My daughter My other daughter was hard when she was little. pretty challenging until she was about like nine and so we kept waiting. We're like, okay, when's Lea gonna grow out of this, you know? And, ya know, so the other two are way more and like I said, they never fight there, you know, but it's like Leah just kind of brings the house down. We know she fights with everybody. She's

Scott Benner 19:26
when I when I was younger. I used to say one day Arden's gonna make some lucky guy very unhappy.

Amy 19:33
Yes. That'll Delia to yes. But if you ask my husband, he'll be he'll always say like, mother like daughter.

Scott Benner 19:44
So okay, let's dig into that for a second. I mean, were you

Amy 19:48
I mean, you know, I'm feisty. I can be feisty for sure. And my husband's very laid back. So yeah, we're good. Good combo.

Scott Benner 19:59
When should pops off. Do you ever think like, oh, I said that when I was little too.

Amy 20:04
You know, I wasn't like that when I was little was more like teenage you know? Yes. No, I was a pretty, pretty sweet kid. I think, you know, my we had teen parents and there were four of us. My mom had four kids by the time she was 22 Holy hell. Yeah. So it was it was crazy. So there was really no room for me to be like that, who was gonna listen to me? You know, kind of put up with my,

Scott Benner 20:29
I don't want to go down this. I just need to know was that for Jesus or by mistake?

Amy 20:33
That I'm totally by mistake, like, yeah, it just kept coming. I couldn't

Scott Benner 20:39
figure out how her vagina worked for I. I was like, um, every time I use it, a baby comes out of it.

Amy 20:50
I don't know what is happening. Yeah. That was funny, you know, because with our third, we weren't trying. And the doctor was like, oh, like, how long have you guys been trying? I'm like, Well, no, we weren't. And he was like, Well, no, you know how babies are made? You were trying? I was like, Well, okay, I guess I would make a baby. Yeah,

Scott Benner 21:09
maybe you were more like not trying not to have a baby.

Amy 21:11
Right. Exactly. Okay. Exactly.

Scott Benner 21:15
To the kid you find with the pipeline in the middle of COVID. Right? Yes. Yeah. So do you think that changes how the hospital approaches you? Or what happened during Well, I

Amy 21:25
mean, okay, so I, you know, they did blood work on all three kids, but they didn't do a finger stick on her. So it was like bloodwork that they sent to the lab. And the doctor called me the next morning, and I was on my way to work. And he was like, everything's fine. Like, the kids don't have celiac. But Leah's blood sugar was really high. And I was like, Oh, okay. And I like what does that mean? Oh, my gosh, did what did she eat yesterday? You know, what I'm thinking in my head. I'm like, well, she did have a few spoonfuls of sugar for breakfast. I don't do it. I don't. So then he's like, you know, you need to bring her back in. So I was like, on my way to work, and then so, but while I'm on my way to work, then my dad calls me and my dad's a type two diabetic, he's in an assisted living facility. And he sounds really funny on the phone. And he's like, I remember, my face was swollen. It was like, and I'm like, okay, and I had just, you know, got off the phone with Leah's doctor. And so now I'm like, Okay, I go, Well, what do you mean, he's like, my mouth is swollen, and I have like a rash on my face. And I was like, what? And I'm like, okay, and I haven't been able to see my depth because of COVID. And, you know, we would go drop off stuff to him and see him through the window. And that was about it. And so I was like, Okay, I'm like, I pull over. I'm like, Dad, FaceTime me. Let me see. So we FaceTime and it was like, horrible. Like he had, like this weird rash on his face that was turning black. His face was completely swollen. And I'm like, what, like, I can't. Now I'm like, I'm like, Oh, my goodness. So then I was like, Okay, Dad, you need to go to the doctor. I'm going to call you back. So I like hang up with my dad. I call my sister and I'm like, and I think in my heart, I knew high blood sugar meant she has diabetes. You know, I'm like, I just knew it. And I called my sister and she lives up about six hours north of us. We live in Los Angeles. And I'm like, Angela, Leah's blood sugar is really high. Dad's face is falling off. Like, I need help. Like, I don't know what to do. So she was like, Oh, my God, okay, I'm coming. So she got in her car and just drove down. And she was like, I'll deal with Dad, you take care of Leah. So I got to work. And I told my co workers what was going on, and I'm like, I need to go. I told her the doctor, but Okay, bye. So I leave, I come home, pick my daughter up. And my husband was home. He was kind of like napping. But the other kids were here. And so I grabbed Leah, and I say, hey, like, you know, we gotta go back to the doctor. And, you know, they just kind of found something that they want to recheck. I didn't want to scare her, you know. And I was a little worried about going by myself, but thankfully, it was just a finger prick. And they took her blood again, and it was, you know, like 289. And, and they were like, what did she have for breakfast? And I was like, well, she had a smoothie and a spoonful of sugar or two pancreas. Yeah. And so he was very calm. And he was just like, you know, I think we're, we're catching something here, but it's early. So you're gonna have to just, you know, go to Children's Hospital, and I was like, oh, like, make an appointment. He's like, no, like, you need to go right now. And I'll call them let them know you're coming. And I was like, what?

Scott Benner 24:46
Don't want to do that because there's an impending zombie apocalypse my father.

Amy 24:52
Yeah. Okay, so then I go home and I wake up my husband and I knew what's COVID They're not gonna let him come with me. Ah, you know, and he had to go to work anyway. So it just woke him up and told them what was going on. And yeah, I mean, it was crazy. Like we went in there, there was nobody in the waiting room. They took us right back. And pretty much they didn't say it. Like she has type one diabetes, but, you know, it was it was pretty obvious, you know? So yeah, we were just there for two hours. And they sent us home and they said, Don't feed her any carbs tonight and come back tomorrow morning for training. So

Scott Benner 25:28
you know, of all the things I want to ask a question about you said your parents were young parents and your father was in an assisted living place. Why should How old is your dad?

Amy 25:36
He's really young. So he, he's 66. Now but he had a stroke when he was 47. He because he was a type two diabetic and he never took care of himself.

Scott Benner 25:47
I thought you're gonna everything early.

Amy 25:51
So and my mom and dad are divorced, obviously. Five. Yeah. Yeah. That didn't work out. Really? Shocker. Fascinating

Scott Benner 26:01
boiler alert.

Amy 26:02
Spoiler alert. They're not together anymore. But yeah, so he, he didn't take care of themselves. So he had a stroke at 47. So he's paralyzed on his website. And yeah, that's okay. And so he's just been in like nursing homes assisted living off and on. You know, since that happened, and yeah, so it turned out he had, he had shingles and the shingles rash, he scratched it and then got infected. And he also had an abscess tooth. So that's, that's what he had going on.

Scott Benner 26:39
I was gonna tell you that if your husband or when your husband comes out, if you're looking for a guy, I find you delightful. You should hunt me down. We'll see if Kelly's still here. But then I heard the rest of the story. And I was like, No. No. I don't need to help your dad with shingles.

Amy 26:59
And you don't want to be Leo stepdad either. I don't know.

Scott Benner 27:03
It'd be hilarious. I would just, I would team up with her and just pointed at you.

Amy 27:10
She, yeah. So my sister. Yeah. So she took care of him and ended up you know, he, he got on meds and they fixed. They pulled his tooth and He's okay. He's okay. Yeah.

Scott Benner 27:28
Okay. All right. So so how much of this? Did we ever have? COVID prior to this?

Amy 27:34
No, no, we never got it. I don't know how we were able to, you know, especially if my husband's job he got exposed a bunch of times that went around his office. And no, we were lucky. There was like one time where he did have like a direct exposure. And so I was like, I'm like, okay, and this was, I can't remember if it was before, after she got diagnosed, but I was, oh, it was after. And I said, Well, you better just stay in a hotel for a couple of days. And like, as I'm saying it he's already like booking his hotel and like, hey, wait a minute.

Scott Benner 28:06
I've been looking for an excuse to get the hell out of here.

Amy 28:10
I was like, Wait, why are you booking it? Like, wait a second.

Scott Benner 28:14
You want me to leave? And you're not going to be? Oh, sure. I gotta go. What was like,

Amy 28:21
oh, yeah, no, so she did not have COVID. Me. I

Scott Benner 28:24
just realized that before when we were talking. And I, you know, didn't record it. You mentioned your husband was in law enforcement. I just wanted to because he was asleep in the middle of the day, too. So yeah, we work shift work. And I think everyone else was like, Oh, God, guys just laying around the house.

Amy 28:40
No. Yeah. No, he was working a lot during that time. It was in the middle of the George Floyd protests and riots. So he was he was working 12 hours for two weeks straight. So yeah.

Scott Benner 28:53
Okay. So move. What do I want to say here? Oh, you did mention prior that there's a line of autoimmune stuff on your husband side. I just want to go over it. Celiac Hashimoto, motos, anything else?

Amy 29:07
I think that's an well type one now.

Scott Benner 29:10
Okay. Nothing on your side.

Amy 29:13
Now, we just have a lot of exciting. Yeah, we have a lot of type two diabetes, like on my dad's side of the family. So that's just always been my connection to diabetes, as you know, seeing my dad. And yeah, so we went to, you know, the next day after we were in the ER, they we went to Children's Hospital for training. And I think we were there for maybe five hours, but it was just like this total crash course you know, and they gave us like a bag of needles and a meter and some insulin and they were like, do this, this and this and then they wanted to have us give her a shot before we left but her blood sugar was in range. And so my first shot I had was like in the parking lot at Subway, and I totally made her bleed and hurt her and pretty sure she threw some things at me. Yeah, it was not good. And I just was like, Are you sure we can leave with her? Like I couldn't. I just was like,

Scott Benner 30:15
I was really on the edge to begin with. So now you're giving me another thing. And that is a, you know, a reasonable question to ask, right? I mean, if she was, if she was challenging, that's the right word. Right? Like if she was challenging to begin with. Did you? I mean, how many times did you think, Oh, it's this one. This one gets?

Amy 30:38
I was just gonna say that. I was just gonna say that. That was like, why her? Why that one?

Scott Benner 30:43
You know that you wished it was them?

Amy 30:47
I mean, you know, I kind of joked about it. It was just like, the three, it had to be this one. Okay.

Scott Benner 30:55
Okay, so Alright, let's really dig into the diabetes stuff. Yes. So after, you know, you settle a little bit. What did they send you home with? What did you have your needles and a meter? Yeah.

Amy 31:08
Um, pen needle, like a pen? And pen needles, a meter? Some Lantis? And some homologue? Okay. Yeah.

Scott Benner 31:17
How did you find learning about diabetes?

Amy 31:21
I mean, I was so overwhelmed. And so I had reached out, you know, like, I think a lot of my friends had heard, so everybody was like, Oh, I know somebody who has a kid. And so I called like, four different moms who all had kids with type one, and got some good advice, and maybe a couple not very good. But it was good. Like it, you know, so it just kind of made me feel a little more confident. And, you know, Children's Hospital was great, like keeping in touch and keeping in contact. But I think, you know, like you've said before, their whole advice was just like the the don't die advice. And not necessarily like, how is Leah going to be the healthiest? How is she going to feel the best? You know, it was just the, you know, the don't die don't. And so I think, and they said nothing about a pump or a glucose monitor or anything. I didn't know anything about that. And so I think my husband had heard from someone I don't know, he knew something about a glucose monitor. And they were like, oh, yeah, you can ask for that at your next appointment. Well, then I found your podcast. And I was like, oh, no, this is what she needs. So about, like two or three weeks in, I think I found your podcast. And I called right away. And I said, we want the Dexcom. And, and we had it within about like five or six weeks. And I was horrified. You know, seeing how high her blood sugar was going every time she ate. And you know, I called the nurse and they were like, yeah, like, that's what happens. I'm like, but how do we stop that from happening? She's like, you're just getting more information now. You know? And

Scott Benner 33:04
so you'd like So okay, so their, their reaction to you finally being able to see what was happening was, oh, yeah, it's always been a mess like this. But yeah, but nothing to do about it.

Amy 33:15
No, no, she's they were just again, it was that whole, like, we don't want her to go low. We don't want her. And I did a parent. So my friend who had the daughter with celiac, she had come to visit, they had a visit plan, like a week after she was diagnosed. And I was almost like, No, you guys can't come like I'm too overwhelmed. And then we decided, you know, it's fine, you know. And so they came. And so she had a friend who had a daughter who was an adult with type one. And I called her because it was just a situation where there's all these kids or six kids here, and they're just like, eating non stop. And they told me like, No, you can't give her insulin more than every two hours. And so of course, like we're watching a movie, they want popcorn, they want smores they want candy, and is just all the stuff was happening. And I'm like, No, I can't get a stack insulin. I can't, she has to wait two hours. And so I called her and she just was like, Well, you know, the way you have to see it as like a high blood sugar is not going to send you to the hospital. It's a low blood sugar. You know, so then I kind of got that in my head where it was like, Okay, let's keep her on a higher end, you know, but, like I said, I learned pretty quickly that that that wasn't right. And once we got her Dexcom and, and as I started listening to the podcast, I've been having to, you know, advocate for her with, you know, and it's like, I don't want to discount like the help that the nurses gave in the hospital and everything. But at the same time, it just was like she doesn't feel good, you know? Yeah. And well, you know, go ahead, sorry,

Scott Benner 34:53
Dorie, you're fine, you just you're very chatty, and I'm taking advantage of you and letting you talk. You give me be a very fun hour, and I don't have to do very much. It's great. Thank you. I feel like I should send you some of the ad money from this one. But I'm sure I won't do that me just I just wanted to okay, I feel like it, but it's not gonna happen. So I do want to know if, you know, when you get caught in that situation where you feel like, oh, gosh, they're, they're lovely people. And they're, they're really trying, but they're, they're wrong. But I don't want to tell them they're wrong. But I don't want to let my daughter continue on like this.

Amy 35:30
It's a tough spot. Yeah. How do you make sure to do I mean, I choose Leah, you know, I, and so I just started like, you know, giving her more insulin, but I was really afraid of it. At first, I was really afraid to make her go low. And she did honeymoon for a whole year. But we were able to get her agency down by her first appointment, her three month checkup to 6.1 on MDI, you know? Yeah, and this just kind of stayed there. We just so I just was like, no, like, I, I have to figure this out. Like, I can't let her sit at these high numbers. I've seen what high numbers can do to somebody, you know, like my dad. Yeah. And, you know,

Scott Benner 36:13
I let that happen again, no, and

Amy 36:15
I'm like, I'm not gonna kick the can down the road. And trade my fear, you know, for her health. You know, I just, I just couldn't do it. You know, I so I just, I just started making decisions on my own and increasing. You know, we and my husband was always on board, thankfully. And so, uh, he, he's more he was even more than me, like, Oh, he's like, I think we need to have her long acting. And, you know, so we just started kind of doing it on our own. And we would just tell them that we did it.

Scott Benner 36:45
Hey, yeah, microphones hitting your hair or your shirt.

Amy 36:48
Oh, sorry. Yeah, it's my hair. Sorry about that. Yeah, so we just started, you know, just kind of following, you know, stuff on the podcast and stuff on the Facebook page. And we, you know, she just started really, like her levels have just been really good. We just switched. She just got to Omni pod about five weeks ago, which is great. But we're still I'm still trying to figure that out. Now. Now. I feel kinda like I'm starting over. So it's been a little rough. And again, it's the same little battle with where they don't want to let me make adjustments. And so,

Scott Benner 37:27
so we started off with their advice. Went to yours, it got better switched. And then we back to their advice again.

Amy 37:35
Yeah, so now I am, you know, it's like for me, because it's a new thing. I'm trying to still figure it out. And, but I have, go ahead.

Scott Benner 37:43
So how was it?

Amy 37:46
Five weeks, or about five weeks? And yeah, so

Scott Benner 37:51
let me ask question. You were your husband, he, I know why you went to that hotel room so quick. He's like, I'm gonna go have a conversation with myself and see if I can get into yes, no, by the way, I'm teasing you. You are super chatty. It's just, it's perfect. I just need to jump in once a while we're not looking. We're not looking at each other. So it's harder to do. Now, now all that I'm gonna forget my freakin statement. Oh, okay. What what are you finding different about being on a pump versus on MDI?

Amy 38:25
I mean, I guess I Well, the things I love about it is being able to adjust the basals for the different times of day, but they were very conservative with it. And so, you know, they want me to wait, like three days before I make changes to anything. And, you know, and I just I know, better, you know, so, I'm start but at the same time, I also, I don't know all the functions of the pump yet. So I'm still trying to figure it out. And that's so it's hard. I'm,

Scott Benner 38:54
yeah, that's what I wanted to talk to you about, like, because there's nothing really different about it, like I know. I mean, it's, it's, you go into the Bazelon zone first. You either inject it once a day or twice a day, some people split, right. But you're just putting the insulin in. And so that's all the pumps doing, it's just putting it in, it's just putting it in in a different way. But you just go into the basil program and just, I mean, it's as simple as how much like what what, what basil was she using prior to the pump? Let's go for this.

Amy 39:25
Like the type? Yeah, what brand TriCity back. Okay.

Scott Benner 39:29
And how many units? Was

Amy 39:30
she getting a day? Um, we had her up to 10 when she was diagnosed, they had her at six and then we went all the way down to one because she was going low so much she honeymooned for a long time. Right? Then she, yeah, she was up to 10 units a day. So how many she getting through the pump? Like less than nine? So that's where I feel like I need to.

Scott Benner 39:52
I was gonna say is that is that like when she's stable and steady, like overnight, where she's sitting.

Amy 39:59
You know, she He's not state she's going high every night. And so we keep upping it from the night to three. And she's I think she's growing. She's going through puberty right now. So I feel like I almost need to double it because she's every night from midnight to three, she's going into the two hundreds.

Scott Benner 40:14
Okay, well, well, yeah. Well, let's try something.

Amy 40:17
I'm gonna try it.

Scott Benner 40:19
Yeah. But I'm trying to like dig into this one specific thought, like, you're a person who was doing it on their own. And you're making decisions. Not only were you making decisions, but you broke away from the idea of like, oh, this is what they're saying. It's hard to go against them. So you did it. What about moving to a pump? Made you go back to who you were in the beginning?

Amy 40:39
I think because I'm not familiar with it yet. Okay, you know, so I'm not 100% Confident. So and the I think that's it. So I just, I feel a little bit nervous about messing with things. Yeah. Because it's new,

Scott Benner 40:52
try just thinking of the pump as Basal insulin. And you can control the timeframes. So yeah, you know what I mean? And don't even worry about the, the number as much as like the strength like if, if she needs more certain time also, by the way, is she going up at midnight? Or is she going up? When is she going up?

Amy 41:11
Like literally at midnight? Every night, you need to start the Basal increase

Scott Benner 41:16
sooner then. Okay, so I will start at 11. And then then see, because you can't it's the same thing as a Bolus, right? Like, I mean, you know, you listen to the podcast. So yeah, you can't Bolus a meal and start eating at the same time. And you definitely can't change a Basal program. And at the exact moment when the impact is coming, right, because you need to pre Basal the impact, basically. And so Basal insulin, not only is, you know, it's a smaller amount, it's not going in all at once. So she's getting point six an hour. You know, and, like, right now, there's a little bit of insulin going in through her pump for her Basal, right, that, that bit that goes in right now is not impacting her right now. It's impacting her in, you know, 2030 4050 minutes from now, because they're little tiny bits. So you want to jack that basil up? I mean, I'm gonna say an hour to start, I bet you Jenny would say 90 minutes.

Amy 42:17
And but like, how much do I go up? Because they're only having to go up like point five, you know,

Scott Benner 42:23
how's that gonna help anything you should know? 200, right,

Amy 42:28
like, over 200, and I'm up, like, constantly correcting and then sometimes I'll just, like, give her like a Bolus, you know, just to try to get it down how much you Bolus thing in that timeframe? Um, I mean, it's like, I'm just up all night, trying to get it down.

Scott Benner 42:45
I mean, as much as mount, like, units, oh,

Amy 42:49
oh, in units. I'm just doing corrections. So whatever the correction will let me do and sometimes that won't let me so then I'll just put in, I'll just, I kind of do go back to what I know before. Like, okay, if she was 250, and we were on shots, I would give her two units. You know,

Scott Benner 43:05
this is, this isn't an algorithm. It's just the pump, right? So don't worry, ready? Nothing you hear the Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice, medical or otherwise, always consult a physician. Don't don't Yes. Don't worry about the insulin on board. Do what? Okay, but it says do what you know is right. Because insulin on board is a dumb. It's a dumb number, it's calculated. And if you're if it's set up incorrectly, it's not going to be right to begin with. And if you count the carbs incorrectly, it's not going to count. It's not going to work and getting a hormone impact. It's not going to work, but barebones. Somewhere in your pump, you've got setting set for how long insulin works in her body. And so if they I don't know, maybe they set that to six hours. It's two hours. Okay, so that's pretty. That's pretty short. That's so that. So it is set up to be a little more aggressive. So okay, yeah. All right. But to finish the thought, just for people listening, if the insulinoma if the insulin action time, I think that's what they call it on the pod, if that was set at six hours, that it makes this assumption that the insolence alive for six hours, if they set it for three hours, then it makes the assumption that it's alive for three hours, meaning that two hours into a meal, if it's set at three hours, it assumes it has less insulin on board. If it's set at six hours, it assumes it has more insulin on board, and then that impacts how much it wants you do to correct if they if it even thinks or corrections necessary. But yeah, okay, I would just and it sounds crazy, but I would use the pump, like injections in your mind. Like okay, don't worry about everything else, like just do what you know is right. And so my point is going to be if you're if you're correcting over those three hours with two units of insulin, first of all, are those two units bringing her back down and leveling her out? Yeah. Okay, so then I would just try to break the two units up into the Basal over the impact time of the hormones.

Amy 45:08
Okay. And I have done that like where I've done like an extended Bolus and just kind of done exactly what you said, but I want to do it. So it's automatic, you know?

Scott Benner 45:17
Yeah. Yeah. So she's getting point six now. You're gonna make me sit up. I'm so relaxed talking to you. I'm way back in my chair. The chair you guys bought me? Thank you so much. Oh, yeah. put a picture up on the Facebook page. And I said, I'm talking to Amy, I tagged you. And I was like, I'm having such a good time. To units, let's just divide it by you think you think the impact is ends around? Like three in the morning?

Amy 45:48
I feel like it's like three or four in the morning. And then she finally comes down. Yeah.

Scott Benner 45:51
So then what if you just, you take the two units, break it out over four hours, give her an extra half a unit for those four hours and see what happens. Okay, now, you might try it, you might have to end it sooner, like so just like we had to start it sooner, you may end up seeing the ended sooner. So, okay, you want to start the Bayes little 11? You know, we're going to try that for an impact at 12. And so if the impact disappears at two, or three, excuse me, you may want to stop the basil at two. Okay, so that by the time three o'clock comes around, and the impact is gone, we don't have a basil. That's too heavy. Okay, that makes sense. Yes.

Amy 46:33
Yeah, it does. Thank you. And I'm just,

Scott Benner 46:34
I'm just using your your number from your correction, like trying to get the correction into the base. Yeah.

Amy 46:39
No, that's, that makes sense that those corrections need to be part of her Basal. Yeah, you should try. I know. I just it's funny because like, once, I felt like I had it down with MDI. I was like, Okay, I'm going broke. I'm doing what I want to do. And I just think switching to the new technology. I was like, Oh, I don't know what I'm doing. I have to listen to everything. They say, I am a little bit, you know, like a people pleaser. So, I mean, not with my husband. I'll fight him on everything.

Scott Benner 47:08
No reason for him to be happy. But everyone else

Amy 47:11
know everybody else. I know. My husband will tell me he'll be like, talk to me. Like you're talking to one of your friends. We eats

Scott Benner 47:19
wheat? Or like, could you talk to us with your gas station voice please?

Amy 47:25
Yeah. Hi, I

Scott Benner 47:27
want to just fill this with AD seven. Oh, why? Nice to him? Never gonna see again. Never. Yeah,

Amy 47:34
I'm only 100. Yeah, that's about right. He's probably

Scott Benner 47:37
taking an impression of our credit card to buy furniture in Mongolia right now. And you you're being nice to him. And you've been to me in 10 years. That's great. Yes.

Amy 47:48
Yeah, so I just I do so I think I just because I'm not confident with it yet. It's just it's taking me a little bit of time to get that courage to just take it matters into my own hands. But yeah, when I see her not feeling well, not wanting to go to school, obviously, it makes me want to be a little more aggressive. So

Scott Benner 48:05
you know, you named the episode earlier. I did. I think it's gonna be called I choose Leah.

Amy 48:13
Oh, I do. Yeah. And, and I just And that's the thing. When I see her, her numbers steadier, her personality is completely different. And I think that's always like my motivation. Like, I want her to be the LEA. She's meant to be, you know, and so yes, I will. I will always choose her over what anybody is going to tell me.

Scott Benner 48:35
Yeah. So you're, you're, you're gonna figure this out and your actions will help her be happier, and probably save your life. If the earlier stories are accurate at all?

Amy 48:45
Yes, yeah. Maybe I'll give some days back to my plate. But yeah, I mean, it's just it's kind of crazy. Because everything I've learned with her, I'm now able to help my dad, even though he's type two. You know, we just recently I just recently I take care of my dad to like, if he has to go to the doctor, I take him and any kind of his appointments, I take him to everything. And his last doctor's appointment, his agency's kind of been sitting in the sevens and eights for a while, which, you know, I'd love to see it lower, but it jumped up to 10.8. And I was like, Okay, I've been in the fog of like taking care of Lea. And so now I'm like, Okay, I know, I know. I know what this means you need more insulin, right? He's an insulin dependent type two. And so I took him to the endocrinologist, they adjusted all his insulin. And while I was there, you know, my dad's on Medicare. I said, Hey, can he get a Dexcom? So they he got one, it was fully covered. And he's on the Dexcom now, and now my dad is seeing in real time when he eats a cookie, what happens to his blood sugar, you know? So his projected agency now since he's been on the Dexcom, is 6.5.

Scott Benner 49:53
Wow. So are you taking what you've learned from the podcast and it's helping him as well?

Amy 49:58
100% Yes. Oh, yes, absolutely. Because, yeah, I mean, it's like you're helping a type two and a type one.

Scott Benner 50:06
Oh, no, I that's really wonderful. I was Yeah, super excited. I mean, you know, I say things. I don't know if people listen. But, you know, like, even like, I slip it in the ad sometimes I'm like, if you're using insulin to get

Amy 50:19
Yeah. Well, and that, yeah. And that's the thing. So I went to his, his facility. And I was like, Well, how, you know, they, they printed out his blood sugar. They don't only check it three times a day. And he's taking probably close to 100 units of insulin a day. Wow. And I'm like, that's not enough. You know. And so I asked the doctor for a Dexcom. And you'd see his numbers. He's in the three and four hundreds all the time. And already now he's just oh my gosh, his line is so straight. I'm like, I'm so jealous. That's such a straight line. But he still has a somewhat working pancreas. But and he's done a couple of times. What's our

Scott Benner 50:56
view on any Basal insulin?

Amy 50:58
Yeah, so he takes, he takes 35 units of basil twice a day, and then he gets insulin, a fast acting for his meals. Wow. Okay. And, yeah, so but the last week, he went low, he was in the 40s. And I called him and I'm like, Dad, are you feeling okay? And he was like, what I go, your blood sugar is really low right now. Are you okay? And he was like, Oh, I didn't eat my lunch. I'm like, but they gave you insulin, right? And he's like, yeah, man, get going. I said, You need to have a good tea, don't eat a cookie, go eat some candy. And so it's happened a couple of times where I've seen his blood sugar dip low. Because he'll just he doesn't eat but it's good. Because he's changed what he eats for breakfast. He's completely changed because he's seen what it does on Sunday. He ate a cookie, his blood sugar went to like 300. And he called me he's like, I'm sorry, I ate a cookie. It's okay.

Scott Benner 51:54
So it's changing his habits to

Amy 51:57
it is because he's seeing it in real time. What's happening? And it's great. Yeah. And I mean, it's just, you know, it sucks that Leah has diabetes. And, you know, it sucks that he has type two, but I'm just so glad I'm able to help both of them. Me too. You know? Yeah,

Scott Benner 52:13
yeah. Wonderful. Wow. Good for you. That's actually you weren't? Well, I take it back. Maybe now. When your husband comes out, I will call you because, yeah, that was really lovely. Plus, I need somebody to help me with my mom. So I'm

Amy 52:25
sure Okay, I am a caretaker. That is my, you know, I do I like to take care of people for sure.

Scott Benner 52:31
has, as the diagnosis caused you, like you said, you kind of lost track your Dad, is it hard with the other two kids?

Amy 52:42
Um, you know, they're so great. Like, they're so supportive. And, and we do, like, my husband and I, like, our kids are everything. And so we do. Like my husband, coaches, my son's baseball team. So they spend a lot of time together. And my older daughter, I, you know, try to spend so we do try to like, balance it all out. But it was hard, especially when Leah was being so challenging. And so we actually worked with Erica for a little bit. And because we're in California, so we were able to, to have some sessions with Erica and that was really helpful as a family and then individually with Leah. So

Scott Benner 53:21
while this podcast is pretty damn helpful.

Amy 53:24
Yeah. And yeah, so

Scott Benner 53:27
I have Erica, like I've ever got on my, my calendar next week.

Amy 53:31
Yeah, she's amazing. And it was great. Like, we did one as a family. And, you know, I think my husband in the beginning was, it is just like, my husband's a type of guy. Like he, like, he'll

watch a Disney movie, he cries, you know, and when Leah got diagnosed, I mean, I cried for a month. You know, I was just,

I was devastated. You know, because my kids have always been healthy. I've always had healthy kids. And, you know, I've always kind of almost been like, proud of that, like, I have some kind of superior genetics or something. I don't know

Unknown Speaker 54:01
what I've done. But what

Amy 54:04
I remember my daughter had a friend she had a couple friends that were allergic to dogs and we have dogs and I'm like, can you stop making friends that have allergies please?

Scott Benner 54:12
Let's say I'm bringing these weak kids into the house. I know

Amy 54:15
that these weak immune systems Yeah, and so I just kind of it so it really you know, nothing humbles you more than being put through something like this and having you know, now I'm just so sensitive to like, celiac and peanut allergies and everything where I think you know, before I just didn't really think about it much and I would kind of be annoyed by it. And it really it really humbled me quite a bit and you know, I just Anyway, are you gonna cry? No.

Scott Benner 54:52
She need help her she crying

Amy 54:56
but it didn't know I do. I feel a little emotional about it. But um, It really did humbled me for sure. And I forgot what I was going to say. But

Scott Benner 55:06
you probably want to apologize for making fun of people with allergies is what I was.

Amy 55:10
Yeah, I mean, for sure. And yeah, and oh, what I was gonna say was that, you know, so when that happened, I was really upset. And then my husband just like, never cried. And I was like, What's wrong with you? Like, why aren't you sad about this? And he was, he did try to kind of be like, Oh, you're so good at it, you do everything. And I was like, No, I can't be the only one who knows how to take care of her because we have other kids. And, you know, I like I need to spend time with other kids and or take them to do things. And so you need to be able to take care of her too. And so he didn't, he was afraid it was hard for him to put a needle in his child and, but he did it and he helps a lot. Now he's very involved. And it was, but anyway, we had a session with Erica and and again, I just think like it, it was hard, because I felt like he didn't, he didn't feel it the same way I did. And we had our session with her and she kind of like went around and asked everybody, you know, how they felt when Leah was diagnosed, and then he, he totally cried, and then we all started crying. We were all on different computers in the house, you know, and, and all of us is just like, so it was good. And it was good to hear how my kids felt about it. You know, the other kids and how they took it in? And what's

Scott Benner 56:24
different for each of them?

Amy 56:27
Um, yeah, I think, you know, like my son, he was so sweet. He was just like, you know, oh, I just only knew my grandpa had type two diabetes, and I, I really didn't understand it. And he's like, I just feel I feel really bad for her. And, you know, he's 12 At the time, and he's like, I just want to learn how to, like, give her shots and take care of her. And he was so cute. And, and he was like, you know, sometimes we ride our bikes home from school, like, I want to be able to go like, get food with her and be able to give her a shot. And, and Erica was just like, I'm so touched hearing that, Charles. Like, that's so sweet. And then she's like, Leah, how does it make you feel to hear your brother say that? And she's like,

Scott Benner 57:04
I guess what she said? Yeah, can I guess what she said? What did she say? Yeah, that kids?

Amy 57:12
Pretty much. Um, yeah, I mean, I guess that's nice. You know, cuz sometimes I'm hungry on the way home from school. It's just like this touching moment. And she was like, Yeah, I don't care. Yes. And she's really mean. What? One of our sessions with Erica, it was just me, Eric and Leah. And she was in her room on her device. And my husband, you know, he hasn't mastered the zoom. Okay. This zoom, kind of had it on a bad angle. You know, he kind of had a double chin, you know, on display. And she just sent him a text message that said, nice chin therapy. Tech says message that says nice chin. Yeah, she's She's charming. Charming, ya know, so it's been so helpful. And I just I feel like I owe you so much. Because, yeah, I mean, our whole family is better because of it. You know, including my dad.

Scott Benner 58:21
Happy to hear that. Thank you for telling me. That's wonderful. Yeah.

Amy 58:23
Yeah, for sure. I,

Scott Benner 58:26
I don't know what to say usually. So I'm going to try not to say something silly, and just say thank you. But you're welcome. Very. It's a humbling like, I try not to say things that I think people think sound just cliched. But you want to try sitting over here and having someone tell you that story. And then thank you at the end of it. It's, it's hard to absorb. So

Amy 58:49
yeah, well absorb it. Cuz I just I don't I just I'm like, what would I Where would we be? Had I not found your podcast? I don't even want to know. Do you know, I don't even want to know.

Scott Benner 59:01
Do you know that this week, has my mom's having a health issue. And I didn't feel like that she was getting the care she needed through the doctor that she basically landed on when she was at the hospital. So I looked at our our options for how to get her a second opinion. And they were all you know, like call the cold call and office and tell a story and hope a doctor was interested. And then I was telling my neighbor about it. And her son had grown up to be a surgeon. And she's like, why don't you call him and see, you know if he knows anybody. So I texted him. And it turns out he went to medical school with a doctor who is the exact kind of doctor that my mom would meet. So she he texted his friend, his friend then called a mentor. And yesterday, the mentors office reached out and treated us so much better than my mom has been treated so far. You know, which sucks. I'm not gonna lie like it sucks. It's like the you need to know somebody to get treated. Yeah, you know, but yeah, but it's, it's happening, right? And I text him to thank him. And I sent him a very thoughtful text and it, you know, I'm telling him how much of an impact he's made. And I'm thanking him. And he responds, it's no trouble. So I was happy to do it. And I was immediately like, No, man, you don't understand. Like, you can't just say no trouble. I'm happy to do it. This is a really big deal. My mom's been, you know, my mom's happy for the first time and months. My family feels relief for the first time in a long time like this is I'm so I'm now trying to explain to him what a big deal is. And as I'm explaining it to him, I'm thinking, Oh, this is what I do to people. They tell me, they tell me something. And they thank me and I go, it's no trouble. Don't worry about Yeah. Damn, I got mad at myself. I was like, I gotta stop doing that. But I don't know

Amy 1:01:07
what Yeah, it's hard. Yeah, I know, it's hard, because you still want to remain humble. But at the same time, you know, it's

Scott Benner 1:01:16
not even that it's, it's, I mean, I made the thing it's recorded. So we keeps helping people. It's not like, I have to do it over and over again to help them. Do you know what I mean? Like, I talked to you once, if something valuable gets set in this hour, which is 100%. Sure, we did. But maybe we didn't talk about the diesel thing overnight. So that might be okay. But you know, somebody takes something from this episode. And it helps them it'll, then and this episode gets downloaded, you know, a lot. And then it helps all those other people. My effort only happen once. You know what I mean? And so it's hard to feel like, I don't know, you know, if 10s of 1000s of people tell you something, but you only did something once for them to all get that reaction. It doesn't feel like are my effort is equal to their. To their thanks. I don't know, to their appreciation. Yeah. And, um, I know, it's a weird thing, but I really do like hearing it. And I appreciate knowing

Amy 1:02:20
ya know, we're I just like I said, because a lot of the advice I got was the, like you've said before the don't die advice, which is great. And I don't want that to happen. But I would have never been able to help her the way I have. Had I not found it. Yeah. And not only her health but emotionally because then we found Erica, so Right.

Scott Benner 1:02:44
No, and yeah, and their behavior to like, I know, yes. Still, like spirited, but she says, yeah, she's not like flipping you off anymore.

Amy 1:02:53
I mean, oh, yes. When we got her her pump, I put a picture of it on the page. But when she got her pump, I was like, oh, Leah, let me take a picture of you with your pump and I'll send it to grandma.

Scott Benner 1:03:03
Oh, she's the one that flipped you off in the pie. Remember that picture?

Amy 1:03:05
Yes. Yeah, she flipped me off. But that was just like, yeah, that was more fun. But yeah. Oh, and she's told me like, she does not identify where her diabetes. You know what I mean? Like, she's fine with talking about it. But she's not like, I'm a type one where you're like, that is so not her personality at all. And she told me if I ever were a type one where your mom t shirt that she would set it on fire while I'm wearing it. So

Scott Benner 1:03:34
that kid's gonna kill you.

Amy 1:03:35
She is yes. Somehow. Slowly, slowly over time, or yet or just one day? Yeah.

Scott Benner 1:03:43
Kelly, why don't you just smother me with a pillow? Wouldn't it be quicker? Why are you torture me like this? Just we just get this done, please. It's just the this this water torture thing is taking forever. Like

Amy 1:04:01
I know My poor husband, too. He's got all these feisty girls in the house. There's three of us. So He said that once. We're all like synced up with our cycles that he and my son are going to leave town every month during that time. So

Scott Benner 1:04:15
I've never been so delighted as how you describe him running to the to the hotel when you were like

Amy 1:04:22
it was like as I was saying it was already booked. I'm like, Oh,

Scott Benner 1:04:26
should I use Travelocity or the one with the

Amy 1:04:30
oh my gosh, it was so funny. To look

Scott Benner 1:04:33
at the sun and go see a sucker.

Amy 1:04:35
I know. Sorry. Don't want to give you COVID

Scott Benner 1:04:39
Oh, it's a shame you're gonna have to say I gotta go goodbye. Three days he's probably

Amy 1:04:46
Oh yeah, eating cookie dough. Yeah, see what

Scott Benner 1:04:51
Well, it means there anything that we haven't talked about that we should have?

Amy 1:04:55
No, I'm just thank you for helping me with the competence again. cuz I just I felt like I did I have lost a little confidence since switching to the pump. So I'm trying to, to get that back, but I love it. You know, I mean, it's amazing. We were giving her, you know, 12 shots a day sometimes. So wow, this is an especially with a difficult child like her there was some running around pinning her down, you know? So but I'm like, I will not like up high

Scott Benner 1:05:28
like flopped on top of Ronda. So Oh, yeah.

Amy 1:05:32
Very accurate. And it's the same with like, you know, the Dexcom, you know, and some of the advice that I've been given by people is like, Oh, well set a timer. And, you know, and then tell her Okay, it's time now. And I'm like, that's not going to work. Like, I'll set the timer for five minutes, and she's still not gonna let me do it. So,

Scott Benner 1:05:50
to do these things, like sneaking up on a wild animal, you just throw it back over her head?

Amy 1:05:54
Yes. Yeah, seriously. And so it's just like that. Dexcom you know how, you know, you stick it on? And then that sometimes she'll be like, no, wait, wait, wait. And I'm like, No, I'm not waiting. And I'll just, I'll just do it. And I know, maybe that's not in the parenting books and or whatever. But I'm like, no, she will literally walk around with that thing hanging on her arm. She will do the long game, she will walk around for days, and never let me inject it. So I just know. I just have

Scott Benner 1:06:23
to do it. So I think the waiting just builds the anxiety. Honestly, it does. Yeah,

Amy 1:06:27
it does. And I just do it. And she might, you know, get a little combative. But you know, then it's done. And you know, we move

Scott Benner 1:06:34
on? I'm I have to I have to tell you be honest. I'm a proponent of do it quick.

Amy 1:06:40
Yeah, yeah, I just know her, you know,

Scott Benner 1:06:44
but even when people take off their devices, and sometimes I see them and like soaking them and stuff. Like why like to get it nice and wet. You know, I know some people have skin issues where pulling it off quickly really does mess with them. But Arden we just like peel up a corner and I'm like, you're ready. She goes. Yeah. And I hold her skin down with one hand like, I just Oh, wow. It doesn't feel great. But it's over and then it stops hurting. And that's it. Yeah. You know, I mean, I don't know. Like if you want to soak, you know, you want to soak your pod for an hour before you pull it off. Like it's cool with me like I don't I don't have time for that. I don't care that we do it. We're just like ripping go.

Amy 1:07:22
Yeah, I also did a little bit but now we we don't wait more than a couple of minutes. I'm like, Nope. Okay, it's coming off now. So I just I just don't and I know her and it doesn't matter how patient I am. She's never going to be ready. You know, she's never going to be like, okay, Mom, you can take money. You can inject it now or you can take it off. Now. You just have to. You just have to get it done.

Scott Benner 1:07:43
And one more second. One more. So hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, why are we waiting? Just wait one second like that. It just goes on forever.

Amy 1:07:49
Right? Yeah. Oh, totally. Yeah. 100%.

Scott Benner 1:07:53
I've lived through that once or twice. Okay. My son was taking a pill when he was a little kid. Holy crap. I still my wife and I are traumatized by one time. We just were hours in the kitchen. Like just swallow the pill. Oh, my father, like retired, like you'll feel better if you just he was little, you know, and he says I don't want to do it and I shut up and to swallow the pill. And he fought for ever. And then finally did it like an hour later. He's like, my head feels better than we were likely. Gonna Majan that. Okay. Thanks. All right. All right, Amy. I'm gonna let you go. And I'm gonna delete out all the cursing that we did.

Amy 1:08:32
Yes, I'm sorry. Everybody knows.

Scott Benner 1:08:35
I curse the biggest curse. Don't worry about all right. Do not remember.

Amy 1:08:40
I you know I? I said I think yes, that's right. That's right. Yes. That's

Scott Benner 1:08:45
got to come out. That has to come out. Yeah. Well, I imagine. I can imagine your daughter saying it. So

Amy 1:08:52
she calls him a little bit all the time. She tells him he's a little and she tells him he's never gonna move out. She's been and he's so nice to her

Scott Benner 1:09:05
because she gets older and she started saying stuff like girls aren't gonna go out with you and

Amy 1:09:09
oh, she's Yeah, she's very mean. But he's thankfully he. He's pretty good about ignoring it.

Scott Benner 1:09:17
Alright, listen, if your friend ever wants to come on and talk about her husband coming out, I don't care that it doesn't

Amy 1:09:24
it's an interesting story for sure. And I'll let you know if my husband ever does. I'll keep you posted for

Scott Benner 1:09:29
when I hear you. Okay. Hold on. Let's take care you to

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