#375 DEXCOM Calibration Practices

To calibrate or not to calibrate, that is the question

Jenny, Scott and the members of the Juicebox Facebook group compare their calibration ideas.

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Scott Benner 0:03
Hello friends and welcome to Episode 375 of the Juicebox Podcast. On today's show, Jenny Smith and I will discuss different ideas around calibrating continuous glucose monitors. My perspective, of course will come from the dexcom g six because that's what Arden uses. Jenny also wears the G six, but she has worn the Medtronic CGM. And many of you have added your thoughts to this episode through the private Facebook group. For the podcast. I asked this question Hey, calibrating your CGM? Yes or no. And we got a lot of answers. They're all woven into this episode. At the end, I will read directly to you from dex coms website. And of course, while you're listening, I'd love it if you'd remember that nothing you hear on the Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice, medical or otherwise, please always consult a physician before making changes to your health care plan. We're becoming bold with insulin. I also took a few minutes from the conversation while Jenny was setting up her microphone and everything and she was admitting to not being able to do something around her house and I put it at the end of the episode so you can enjoy it. Jenny is delightful. You want to know something else about Jenny. You can hire her just go to integrated diabetes.com Jenny Smith has been living with Type One Diabetes for 31 years. She holds a bachelor's degree in human nutrition and biology from the University of Wisconsin. She's a registered and licensed dietitian, a certified diabetes educator and certified trainer on most makes and models of insulin pumps, and continuous glucose monitors. She is also a very good friend of the podcast. So check her out. And while you're looking, check out the Contour Next One blood glucose meter go to Contour Next one.com Ford slash juice box to find what I believe to be the greatest blood glucose meter available. Second Chance test strips. super bright light for nighttime viewing. It fits easily in your hand, but doesn't slip away. Well, if that makes sense or not. But it's easy to hold. You don't drop it. I like the shape. I like how portable it is. I can find it in a bag at night without the lights on. I've never told you that before but it's easy to find in a bag. And it's testing ability is just first class. Contour next comm Ford slash juice box where the links in your show notes are the ones available at Juicebox podcast.com. If you have time, I'd also loved if you check out touched by type one.org and T one d exchange.org. forward slash juicebox. Touched by type one is my favorite diabetes organization. And T one D exchange. They're doing research to help people living with Type One Diabetes. And every one of you that completes the research. You just need to be from the United States have type one diabetes or be the guardian or parent of someone with Type One Diabetes. Anyway, when you finish the research, the podcast gets a little help. You know to me a little Cha Ching, and you're helping people live better with Type One Diabetes. It's a great organization 100% HIPAA compliant, absolutely anonymous. You can take your information out at any time, just tell them Look, I don't want to be a part of this anymore. If you want to write so there's no pressure, you'll never have to go to a doctor's office never have to go to a testing site. And once a year, they'll ask you a couple of questions to keep your information updated. And your answers help shape Type One Diabetes Care. It's pretty cool. Being Arden's parent, I was able to fill out the survey took me less than 10 minutes. And I did not find any of the questions to be like I was I was never like, oh god, why they asked me that was all very, pretty simple actually. was easy to do. I think we're going to record an episode today that has the opportunity to be very controversial. Oh, great, but not in a way that I think. I don't think it's gonna get us in too much trouble. So I this is gonna sound crazy, right? But I want to talk about how you manage your G six. As far as calibrating it or not calibrating it goes. And I asked online and got 77 replies. I just said to people,

Jennifer Smith, CDE 4:28
and are all they are they're all different.

Scott Benner 4:30
Oh my god, all of them are so different. So it says I said Dexcom calibration thread, share what works for you. And I did say your tips may be used in an upcoming episode of the podcast. So first, I guess we'll talk about what we do and then we'll dig through all of this now for clarity, right that I mean Dexcom. You know their I guess their public statement is that the Dexcom g six does not need to be calibrated.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 4:59
It doesn't need To be unless it's unless the system asks for a calibration. Okay, in my year and a half of use of G six now I've, I think I've seen it asked for a calibration maybe twice, but its own like, you know, like, this is not right, or I think one of them might have been, you're not right, I'm going to give you a calibration then the system was like, No, no, no, no, no, I'm going to ask for calibration again in like 30 minutes, something I think it what it kind of did. Um, so yeah, technically g six isn't supposed to require a calibration through the whole 10 days of life, right? Unless it requests one.

Scott Benner 5:44
Okay. All right. So there's a whole bunch of information on the website about it, I'll probably read it at the end, just so that it's in here. By the way, keep in mind, I did not tell Dexcom I was making this I don't do that. So I didn't, I wasn't like we're gonna do a calibration episode. It's just something people talk about all the time. And every time someone talks about it, it's like religion or politics. don't mean like, someone will come in and say, Well, here's what I do. And 30 people be like, that's wrong. Don't do that. I was like, wow, everyone has such feelings about this, you know? Yes. So obviously, I think whatever works for you is what works for you. But, Jenny, do you like do you have like a, like a way like, when you start a new sensors, or a thing you do? You just,

Jennifer Smith, CDE 6:30
I started a new sensor. I pop it in, I expect. It's funny. I I see a lot of people you know, work with a lot of people are like, it always kind of like you just said it is always low for a one hour for five hours, six hours after I started up, I know that it's just going to read me low. And whatever. I'm kind of, I think I'm sort of odd in that. Sometimes when it gets going. It is spot on. And I always do a finger stick because I always want to verify where it is. That's just my habit. Yeah. Sometimes it stays completely reliable. from the get go. It's great, right? Sometimes it's a little bit off. But then as it kind of keeps going. It gets right on with a finger stick. Yeah. And sometimes it has that weird. Low. a fun thing about that low is, it always seems to be if I have to change the sensor at night. It's gonna be low. And then I'm gonna be fighting the annoying alerts. All night.

Scott Benner 7:43
All right. Okay. So always the time that I can relate to what you're saying, I might take a detour for a second here. But before I do your, uh, your your spotty on your end. You plugged in the Ethernet, right?

Jennifer Smith, CDE 7:57
I did plug it in. Yeah.

Scott Benner 7:58
All right. Make that mic a little closer to you, please. So I better I yes, I do think that. What's that old cartoon with around head? And do you know what I mean? It's like, if something's gonna go wrong, it will and it's attributed. How is it possible? I can't remember Murphy's Law. Okay, was it a cartoon?

Jennifer Smith, CDE 8:21
cartoon? I think it's actually, I don't know that it's necessarily is maybe it is a cartoon. I don't know.

Scott Benner 8:27
What am I kidding? No, no, it's like rule of thumb. My thinking of I think I may have had a mini stroke just now because I don't think there's any cartoon associated with Murphy's Law. Okay, let's get away from that.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 8:38
I think that this might also be the issue between my voice. I, well, it came with the mic, okay. And I always try to be very protective of the mics and

Scott Benner 8:50
throw that away.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 8:51
I always put the little styrofoam thing back talking

Scott Benner 8:54
styrofoam between the microphone and our mouth. Well, you throw that out, please. No wonder you can't change that light bulb. Everything you said about the light bulbs thing in the episode now just so you know.

So yeah, so I said at the beginning, but just to reiterate, Arden cgms usually go on. And then they read perfectly. And then sometime in the first hour, it just decides that she's low, like, you know, way lower than she is. And if you let it ride out, it comes back up. Now,

Jennifer Smith, CDE 9:30
in a particular time, do you have like a defined time that usually

Scott Benner 9:34
Yeah, I think in like, if I don't see it in like three or four hours, then here I go. I calibrate it. If it's not that, okay, now I don't calibrate low to 90. Right. So we'll talk about that. Like you can confuse the CGM. If the reality is, if the reality is too far from where the CGM thinks it is. Right? You can't calibrate it because it just goes does not compute and you know, it If you fry, it's mine. And it takes forever for it to come back from that. But no if she's, if she's 100. And for clarity, too, I think this makes sense to say, obviously, we're using the Contour. Next One blood glucose meter. If you have a, like an old janky blood glucose meter, you know, the G six is probably way more reliable than your old meter is right? But I'm very comfortable that this meter is, is pretty spot on. And so if the meter tells me she's 100, but it says she's 60 Well, then that's too far apart, obviously. And so I'll calibrate it, but I'll tell it like she's 75 and kind of coax it up, and then test her again a little while later and coax it the rest of the way. So that's one of the ways I sort of, if it's too far apart, I calibrate but I don't you

Jennifer Smith, CDE 10:59
have no timeframe to calibration, coaxing kind of way, like you said, and if it gets up to par quicker, you probably don't calibrate again at all.

Scott Benner 11:09
Or at all he does.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 11:10
Then you'll calibrate again. But that's not like a defined time period after that initial coaxing.

Scott Benner 11:17
Yeah, yeah, I don't have like, I don't have like a magic number to it. Like, like everyone else does. Like, here's a person who said, over 50 points off, I wait an hour for blood sugar's to stabilize. And if it's still off, I pull it and get a replacement. Well, that seems aggressive. Mm hmm. And I wouldn't do that. Because last night, like I said, Arden's sensor went on. around seven, came online, around nine was great. said she was low, around 10. She was in the shower, but I don't think that has anything to do with it. She gets out. It's wrong for a while. And then it just is right again. And then it just shuts off for like, two hours. So last night was That was last night was an uncommon occurrence for us. We don't usually lose a signal during it. But as it came back on, I calibrated it probably two times overnight. And then it's now it's, it's beautiful. Like, if I use this person's theory, I would have pulled it off. And I knew not to pull it off last night. I was like, No, this one's going to come around. Right? You know, and it did. Tina says that I calibrate if it's way off after warm up. But only if it's a stable arrow. I didn't do it once and waited for it to catch up. And that sensor ended up being not good. So there's so much anecdotal conversation in this thread. Everybody knows, I bet you if Dexcom was here, they would just tell you like, Don't calibrate it. It'll it'll figure it out. Right. But what do you do when it doesn't figure it out?

Jennifer Smith, CDE 13:03
Yeah, that's when people get frustrated like this. They're like, well, it's clearly not doing what I want it to do. I haven't calibrated so either. I'm just frustrated enough to pull it off and start a new one up. Or they calibrate and then they calibrate and then they calibrate and then calibrate and you know, I think Dexcom in the first 24 hours tells you not to calibrate, leave it alone, and the system should write itself after that. If the system is off compared to fingerstick. Then if your glucose is less than 70, you can calibrate if there's more than a 30% difference between finger stick and CGM. If your glucose is more than 70, and finger stick to CGM is off by more than 30 points, then you can calibrate. Okay. So those are the rules of thumb that at least used to be a piece for Dexcom in terms of when they would say, okay, it's it's okay, now to go ahead and calibrate. Yes, the system technically doesn't require them. But if it's this much off, you could calibrate because clearly, it's not keeping you where your finger sticks are. And again, I you know, the fact of using an accurate blood glucose monitor. That's huge. Yeah,

Scott Benner 14:24
that's huge. You definitely can't use an old technology. No, there's a Listen, I'll make this argument all day long. If you've got a 10 year old meter, and you've got a dexcom g six, you trust the dexcom g six, not the meter. And you don't tell the dexcom who might really know that your blood sugar is 90 that Oh, no, no, it's not it's 120 this old busted up meter I have here says so. You know, because then then you're then you're literally telling the CGM. Well, you're really 120 and it's going No, we're not. We're 90. That causes confusion. You know, the next person here says Stacy goes, don't calibrate, install the sensor, when the BG is most stable like right before bed, stay hydrated, learn what the trends are for you or your child, because everyone is different. Thanks again for the pocket. Okay, I thought about that. But so her explanation is, she doesn't like to put on a new sensor in a time of blood sugar turmoil, correct up or down or anything like that. Is that also something that helps? Do you think

Jennifer Smith, CDE 15:28
I would expect that it would help? Yes. I mean, I don't. My personal do I pay attention to that? No. I mean, when my sensor dies, I replace it and I started up. But it for those who do have more issue with sensor accuracy from the get go, it could be a very good rule of thumb, because it used to be I mean, eons ago, when sensors first came out, that was the rule with the calibrations, make sure that you have a stable horizontal line or a horizontal arrow, or there's there's not a very large rate of change happening, so that the system can kind of get on par with what it's sensing in a more stable setting.

Scott Benner 16:12
That to me Makes sense. Because if you're rising quickly, and at the moment, you're 71, and you tell the thing, you're 71, it's aware that you're rising your meters not and so by the time you put the number in, you might be 80. And then that's also well, so. So it's interesting here, because the next Lisa comes in and says in these books, these two people are parents, it's interesting the difference between parents and maybe this is where we really give parents and people with type one a little extra because you know they're paying attention a little extra, right? Like I said, like I put my damn thing on whenever I need to. And that's the end of it. But Lisa said new sensor inserted and warm during stable time, she says the same thing. And then she says when it works for her stay hydrated, avoid rapid blood glucose changes during the warm up and the first hours. For example, it looks like they exercise physical exercise be suspicious of unexpected values in the first evening, I hundred percent believe in that I you know, first day of a dexcom. If I don't trust what I'm seeing I check, right. She says she gives a little rule of thumb here. If way off from a finger stick and a flat arrow. I calibrate a value in between but never more than too many malls. are 36 Oh, she's from? Oh, yeah, at least I think is Australian at a time. Normally given one the sensor gets a brain normally given one a sensor gets around. I don't know what she means by that. But so that's it for her right. It's way off from a finger stick. And you have a flat our calibrate a value in between but never more than than 36 points off for American. So I think what she's saying is, if the if the things that if the sensor says she's 100. And the meter says she's 136 she picks a midpoint and tells it Oh, I'm really 118 that's what I sounds like. Yeah, that sounds like what you're doing too. Well, yeah. coaxing it towards the truth. Right. Yeah. It's like the first hour of interrogation after you've been arrested. We don't go right. We don't go right for the for the idea that we start off with. So are you there?

Jennifer Smith, CDE 18:23
Right. I do have to say, you know, I guess I didn't, I guess I didn't really think about it in in terms. Maybe subconsciously. I was thinking about it. But in terms of like the comment about starting a new sensor before exercise. I don't do that. Okay. I will, I guess, again, subconscious level, I will start it when I'm not going to be moving so that things are moving quicker. I just do finger sticks. If I have a sensor that dies before I plan to go out and just do some finger sticks and go about my exercise plan.

Scott Benner 18:59
Yeah, well, we, you know, we've run into situations before where we're, you know, throwing on new equipment. Honestly, whether it's a pump or a CGM, and we're running out of the house or Arden's leaving, but we're gonna split up. And I think I must always say, hey, look, that's a new pump. So, you know, let's be extra careful. That's a new CGM. Pay attention to how you feel you should probably test in an hour. Right? You know, I think we all have feelings around technology, like, you know, a continuous glucose monitor, or even an insulin pump site isn't a television. It's not just like it works. This thing should do exactly what it's supposed to do every time this. There's also a dance it's doing with your physiology. And that's different for many, many of us, and not always repeatable in the same ways. So,

Jennifer Smith, CDE 19:52
right like I think there's some people to someone who is a very true listen To your podcasts, who I've been working with for a bit, and he actually wears two sensors, he wears g six, and he wears the libri. At the same time interesting. And, you know, a piece of it is the benefit with the pumping system that he uses when it's when he has a new sensor, he wants to be able to continue to feed glucose values to the system in order to keep it running right and doing what it's supposed to do. So he uses the libri data then to plug in the glucose values in order to not have to do finger sticks in that time period. But to be able to still give it glucose values, which I think is a you know, if you're not, if you don't really care about wearing more robotic parts, that's a great idea, you know, running those time periods to and I've had them g six for me has been kind of funny I have, I would say I have really good accuracy with it. But by about day eight on 90% of my sensors thus far, day eight, I start to get sensor error, wait three hours, and then it'll come back. I'll get a little data. And then they'll give me another sensor error, wait three hours. And at this point, if I get it twice, on day eight, I'm like, could put the air the sensors done, I take off, I call it in Dexcom is great. They've sent me new ones, but they always ask the same darn questions. I'm like, I don't know why it's dying on day eight for me, but it is so. But I mean, in terms of even just the time periods when you get those errors, having a backup, like wearing a Liebe Ray, which again, also doesn't require any calibration, right? Kind of can give you a back up in terms of your initial system a little overlap

Scott Benner 21:43
it You're right. It's a little overlap. No, no. And we do testing in that time. Like I I don't I agree with you, when when I see people who are like, Oh my god, the worst time of my life is the two hour warm up when I don't have Dexcom. Right. And I think those people must be newer to diabetes or to deck or in general, because I've never once thought oh my god, we've lost the CGM for two hours like this thing. Like last night it you know, it, it um, it lasted the full 10 days, like right up till the to the hard stop. And it wasn't a problem once during the thing. And then the next two hours, I just hold our nose like they get an hour just test. And if you need insulin, give it to yourself. Like you know, the way we did it for years and years and years before this technology exists.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 22:30
I feel like that's probably the case. And it's, I sort of have, I compare it to kind of being like, you're on the mothership, and all of a sudden you get like, spit out the back door, and now you're like Lost in Space is fast. Where am I traveling to? What's going

Scott Benner 22:48
on? I mean, quite honestly. fingerstick I mean, it's I know that and for many parents, I think it's hard when you've gotten so used to a system that you feel like you're saving your little ones fingers. Yeah, you know what? They're gonna be okay. It'll be hard. If you stick their finger, you know, they'll be okay. If you get information that's going to help in the short term, right? I'm helping a person right now. And I said, Hey, why don't you check with the meter, and they have the contour. So I was like, I'm pretty comfortable with this. And they responded back and we're like, we don't we never test. And I said, you probably should a little bit. And you know, and so And now's one of those touches. Why do you want me to test right now? I said, because we're about to do something. And I want to be 100% sure we're doing the right thing. And I don't know you. And you know, I don't know when you put the CGM on, I don't know how you've managed it. Like I just want. I want a little peace of mind here. Right? Don't take your peace of mind from an old meter. But you know, at the same time, Okay, ready? What do we have here? Dana's got some solid advice. I think I've probably calibrated every sensor a few times, but it has to be a flat arrow. I use decks comms for trends, and a finger pick a finger poke throughout the day. So if it's consistently off by 10, or 20 points, over two and three or two or three checks, then I'll calibrate. So if she's off by more like between 10 and 20 points, two or three times, then she brings the the CGM back. I have to admit, I would do that too. I don't know that that she's saying she does it consistently through every sensor. We don't do that. But if I saw that, I agree I would do it. You know. And Arden's a one see very closely matches her Dexcom data. Right so I'm comfortable that I'm doing the right thing.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 24:46
Yeah, mine does too. And that's a lot of people do some comparison. I mean, I'll usually get emails from people and they're like, well my my G ami from Dexcom was telling me this but my a one c came back at this. What's the What is the deal? You know, and I know that we've talked about that before on a couple of other episodes. But, I mean, you have to understand the difference, you know, blood glucose versus interstitial glucose, a little bit of variance there could be, I, myself also have very good comparison between the Dexcom average and my actual agency. They're, they're close. I think that the last one was within like, one point or point one. Um, well, that is,

Scott Benner 25:29
that is definitely how I, in the end, assess whether or not I'm managing that sensor well, right. And it's funny too, because, you know, back in the day, when people were rampid, for information back when information used to go really slow, like a new CGM, you know, the G five would come out and people right away, I get the notes, scotch doesn't work, review it, blah, blah, blah. I'm like, I'm not gonna know for three months. Like, why do you? What are you talking? You asked

Jennifer Smith, CDE 25:55
me two days after, right?

Scott Benner 25:57
Here's how we'll know three months from now I'll look at Arden's data. If somebody sent me an email and said, Please say data for me. So I'll look at Arden's data. And then I'll look at her a one C. And if they match, I'll say Huh, that CGM must have been pretty good. Because there's no other way to tell. And so I do think that this is kind of crazy, because it's user error. A lot of the times right and and not error, like oh, you screwed up. But I think Oh, you don't know how, which is why I want to put this this episode together. Because it just it is like sometimes this thing needs a little massaging. Chelsea said, we calibrate only if the arrow stable. Usually first thing in the morning, and before I go to bed, keep hydrated. Never calibrate when there is no arrow? Because she believes RAC that means the sensors confused in general, right?

Jennifer Smith, CDE 26:53
Correct. That means the sensor is it's still giving you data. But it's it's making sure like all of its little algorithm, whatever it's doing internally there, it's not giving you an error, an arrow of direction, because it's seeing a glucose value. But there's there's it makes sense for them. Yeah, it's kind of confused, I guess. Yeah.

Scott Benner 27:15
She goes on to say trying to calibrate when food or rapid insulins on board. And some people say this is hearse gleaming, I think what other people said to her that works to her, insert it, let it marinate overnight and then calibrate it in the morning. And in fairness, Jeanette came in and said this and put arrows to it. Like she was like, I completely agree with this one. Next person says we rarely calibrate. We know that the next con will oftentimes be off a bit in the first 12 hours. If you do calibrate, do so when numbers are stable and not dropping increasing quickly. Right? Yeah, see people are starting to hear anything idea

Jennifer Smith, CDE 27:56
is not, it's not I guess, proprietary to Dexcom. A lot of people with Medtronic do exactly that as well, because of I think their sensor has long term been a little bit more wonky, kind of in the get go kind of stage. So there are a lot of people who even with the older Medtronic sensors would let it do that, like marination, they'd sort of inserted at night, they'd start it up first thing in the morning, still get another two hours of wait time period, but it was enough that they got rid of that sink in period.

Scott Benner 28:31
Have you ever seen people put a sensor on but and then cover it? Yeah. And not not at all, like put a transmitter in it or anything like that. I've seen people do that.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 28:42
In fact, I've had a couple of parents who do that with their kids kind of this marinate idea. They'll use that whatever it's called caveman. It's like the the sticky wrap. It doesn't really stick stick.

Scott Benner 28:53
Like if you give blood now they wrap it around your cotton, right? Yeah,

Jennifer Smith, CDE 28:56
exactly. So that what they'll do is they'll put the Dexcom on not put anything in it like meaning like a transmitter. And then they just wrap that around let it sit and then they started up when the actual old the old sensor dies.

Scott Benner 29:10
Because index comms been on and in the past obviously a lot and they've they've know I've been told more than once. Right? There's this there's this wire that goes in and it needs time to I mean, let's say acclimate to the interstitial fluid. Yeah, what yeah, I think is what I so it's soaking in, right. I think the idea. It's like, I guess it's like, you know, it's like taking a log and dipping it in water and pulling it back out right away. The logs not wet in the middle from that, but if you throw it in there for a few hours, it'll soak through. Gabriella, I only calibrate within plus or minus 30% of Dexcom readings directionally towards my readings directionally towards my meter I don't get into calibration loops as a result. Have you ever seen a calibration loop personally, where it asks you to calibrate you calibrate and then tells you to calibrate again.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 30:02
I've not not with G six, I have had that with G five. Okay. But again not often either with that,

Scott Benner 30:08
I think I've seen it. I honestly have to say maybe twice. And we've gotten out of both of them by being persistent and, and doing it. Here's a question for you. Let's say you calibrate. And let's I'm gonna try to make up a number here. So let's just say your blood sugar is really 90. The Dexcom says you're 120 and you put in 90, and it says 110. You know, if you put in 90 again, it will agree with you, right?

Jennifer Smith, CDE 30:45
It did not done that.

Scott Benner 30:47
A double calibration on close numbers, forces it to agree. Now, the question in my head always is,

Jennifer Smith, CDE 30:57
does it stick then? Is that right?

Scott Benner 30:59
To do? Or is it just making me feel better? And and all I can say is that when I do that, things go okay afterwards. But I don't know if that's right or wrong. This is probably right, where I'm thinking right now people are listening. And they're just like they're pulling their hair out and punching the dashboard of their car. And they're like such bad information. Let's keep this in mind. I'm just telling you what I've done in the past. I'm not telling you to rule. I'm certainly not saying Dexcom says to do it. We're having a little conversation here about what other people do because it's such a varied thing. Don't do it if you don't like it, like you know, or try it once and see what happens. I don't know. But I don't even know if the outcomes right or not. I do know that it makes me comfortable. You've done it a couple of times. So it's Yeah,

Jennifer Smith, CDE 31:43
seems like it works when you've done it. Well I've done

Scott Benner 31:47
it enough to say it out loud and let my voice would be recorded while I'm doing it. Yeah, I willy nilly on here yelling about diabetes stuff. Right?

Jennifer Smith, CDE 31:54
Right. Yeah, I I've never tried that. I guess the next time that I feel like it warrants a give it a whirl.

Scott Benner 32:01
See what happens.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 32:03
Mike, give that a whirl and see how that works out especially at two o'clock in the morning. I'm like, I'm not low.

Scott Benner 32:11
Elena says I don't calibrate I find that calibrating leads to far more inaccuracy than just letting it go. With that said, I do think the first 24 hours or so of a new sensor can be rough. And it eventually works itself out. Tara, we check on the first day. If it is 20 points off. we calibrate. And if it helps, and if it helps it not to be so wonky that day. Any other time we spot check it it's right on. that'll stop it. She's saying okay. Molly, I have never had to calibrate and when I test as long as my arrow is stable on my Dexcom they match within three to eight points.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 32:51
Wow. That's crazy. Oh, God, I think you know, and I think a big piece of this too, which has now been commented a couple of times. Yeah, I people is hydration. That is a and I know we've talked about it before I've mentioned it before that is just enormously important. And I think especially for for kids, little kids who you kind of have to coax them to drink more, right? And remind them I mean, kids without diabetes, I don't even think parents pay attention honestly, to how much their kid is drinking through the course of the day. But kids with diabetes, certainly especially with the fluxes that they have in their blood sugar. Hydration is huge. And then you've got kids who are very into sport I mean they might be doing something for four hours, you know, four times a week. Make sure they're drinking Yeah, absolutely. So but for sensors specific though hydration is

Scott Benner 33:51
so important well you know your point is well taken because today in the in the private Facebook group for the podcast it somebody asked about their creatine been been created or something like that, like yeah,

Jennifer Smith, CDE 34:03
they're creating and been is Yeah, blood urea nitrogen is what it stands. Thank

Scott Benner 34:07
you, Jenny. And everyone who came in who had any kind of a medical background was like, Look, if I was you, I would just make sure I'm hydrated. You know, Natasha says we used to try to calibrate after the first 24 hours if dex was still over 20% off for the last sensor change. We did a pre soak no see that the new sensor, they soak their sensor overnight, and then snapped in the transmitter in the morning. And it worked without calibrating. dex was very close to the Contour. Next One, thank you for the plug. Once the 24 hours passed, no sex was also less jumpy during the 24 hours. And

Jennifer Smith, CDE 34:45
I've seen that too. That's actually an interesting comment. You know, with G six, the the system has smoothed the data, right so you get this smoother trend line with SJ good? Yeah. But a lot of people have questioned in that first, like, let's even say 12 hours. Some people do get that like that little up gel where you can see that the numbers, those little dots every five minutes, they are more Up, down, up down versus this nice smooth into yeah each other. So that's interesting that somebody kind of commented on that.

Scott Benner 35:25
Well, someone comes in and asks, Do you can you explain pre soaking and she Natasha went on and said before the current sensor expires, apply the new sensor but not but do not move the transmitter. So the type so the type one will still be wearing two sensors one active one inactive for a period of time, this gives the new sensor a chance to acclimate for longer than the standard to our warmup period. If you do this, be sure to cover the new sensor to protect the delicate electronics. We use a band aid

Jennifer Smith, CDE 35:52
Oh, band aid. Yeah, this is completely

Scott Benner 35:54
off label. Obviously, most of our based on the podcast is off label, right?

Jennifer Smith, CDE 35:59
I would expect that a band aid that's one of those like larger band aids would probably be the better option just to protect that internal part of the sensor. Because you know, the funny thing about g six, and I didn't realize it initially after I started to wear it, but g six has this like sticky stuff. Like inside. And when you remove your transmitter, you can see it on there. And that's why you have to clean the transmitter off every time you take it off.

Scott Benner 36:27
Doesn't it remind you of like petroleum jelly or something? Does I don't know what it is, though.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 36:31
Yeah, it's like carmax or like, you know? Yeah, like petroleum jelly gynae.

Scott Benner 36:37
I, I definitely know what you're talking about. Yeah, it um, listen, Linda, we never calibrate. And I have to say to their sensors for weeks in a row that we don't calibrate. Like, I don't need most like, this is interesting to do. But I'm not a person who's in a position of saying, oh, wow, we really need to figure out what works because what works for us is, you know,

Jennifer Smith, CDE 37:02
like, do what works for you. And you might have censored a sensor that one. One, I guess, idea of what to do with this particular issue. It could be different three months down the road when you've got another sensor. Oh, sorry. I thought I had it turned off. But yeah, it might be three months down the road, that it's a completely different calibration need, right that you do something completely different this time versus the last time that you needed to calibrate.

Scott Benner 37:34
Yeah, there's three people here, Irene, Jeanette and Jolie. And they all say the same thing. Like once in a while, like I put it on, and it works great. But sometimes I get it where it asks me to calibrate twice after a warm up, even though it's not supposed to like, have you seen that.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 37:48
And if I have and I didn't see that until Gosh, a cup maybe it was the beginning of this summer that I put a sensor on. I gave it the code and accepted the code. And after the two hours, it was like, you need to calibrate with a with two finger sticks. Now it's like put I fed you a coat and then it I believe it's every 24 hours then if it didn't, for some reason register the code even though it told you you did right, you'll get the two hour warm up two finger stick and after that once a day, you'll get a request for another calibration every 24 hours with a new sensor. Okay,

Scott Benner 38:23
how amazing is all this by the way for it? Listen, for those of you who have walked into diabetes during the time of glucose monitoring, you're probably thinking, you know, Oh, that sounds like a problem. And for anyone, Jenny or me with Arden, who were around before this, I think this is all like astonishingly amazing. And just as magical. You know, Danielle, we rarely check with a finger poke. We only check when we are surprised by what Dexcom is telling us. I think that's important to remember. That is exactly how I feel about it. It's that like when I don't know how to I don't know how I know. But when I don't trust it, I don't trust it. And right, you get that over time. I think

Jennifer Smith, CDE 39:04
it's kind of like with the ones that as you said they start up and it just reads like ello w Yeah, your low your blood sugar's like 39 I'm like, Yeah, I don't feel 39. I know. I mean, I have, you know, symptoms, thankfully for low blood sugar, still. And I would know a 39. I mean, I really would. And so I can be like yeah, that's totally wrong. I'm going to do a finger stick and it's going to come back at like 78 or like maybe 90 or something you know. So symptoms are another piece to it as well if you are feeling very differently than what the CGM is telling you. Even if you haven't done a finger stick in three months. Yep. Figure out where your glucometer is.

Scott Benner 39:45
Go find that. Megan says I don't calibrate if it's inaccurate we go off finger sticks. Excuse me, why can't I say finger sticks until Dexcom becomes accurate. My daughter has been wearing Dexcom for two years. I only calibrate if it's off by more than 50 points, which is rare. And I only calibrate when the arrow is level. Lizzie says I've never calibrated the dexcom CGM. Wow. Yeah.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 40:14
That's amazing. Yeah, it must have been must be somebody Then who's never been on G five because that required cat needed

Scott Benner 40:20
calibration. Right? Yeah.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 40:22
Although, interestingly, I have had people who've worn g five who said

Scott Benner 40:29
they want it back calibrated.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 40:30
I just don't calibrate it. I've just let it and honestly the system will, it will keep running. Unlike g4, and the previous if you didn't calibrate it, it would just stop giving you information. g five would keep giving you data. Okay, it would keep asking for calibrations,

Scott Benner 40:47
but it wouldn't.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 40:48
It wouldn't stop giving you data. Well, you're right.

Scott Benner 40:51
You're 100%, right. Oh, I remember that, too. Yeah. Okay, Sara in the morning with no carbs or insulin on board with a level arrow. So we're starting to see some similarities with people's answers that are that are repeating over I

Jennifer Smith, CDE 41:06
mean, I think if you could put it together in a simple, it would probably be one be hydrated. Yep. To make sure that the glucose value is stable, or that you're in a stable time period, meaning you haven't eaten like the whole basket of like chicken fries, and like ice cream, and now you're waiting for your sensor to give you good data. Right? Well,

Scott Benner 41:24
I'll tell you what, there's a couple of there's a couple of statements in here that really does shine a light on what anecdotal information is. Because there's a person and they're even putting a laughy face in it, who says, I usually only need it during the first sensor session with a new transmitter. I feel like the new transmitter needs a few days to learn me. The transmitter has nothing to do with the measurement of your blood sugar. It's just sending the signal right to but even so that's it right like it you see something over and over again. And if you misconstrue it, all of a sudden you feel like it's a rule. You know? It's like when people's like Murphy's Law. Oh, that thing. Always I love it. When people say this about diabetes, this stuff always goes wrong at the worst times. And to that I always respond, what would a good time be for it to go wrong? Right. Every time feels like a bad time.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 42:19
Right? Exactly.

Scott Benner 42:20
Yeah. Going along and live in your life. And then all of a sudden, something you're counting on stops working. There's a good time for that.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 42:27
Yeah. Always stinks. Yeah, no matter if it's two o'clock in the morning, or when you're on the beach vacation or your whatever, in the middle of a basketball tournament. It's never a good time. Jeff,

Scott Benner 42:40
Brent and Jay, I don't calibrate.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 42:45
If I'm curious for those who are not calibrating

Scott Benner 42:48
how close they're a once the matches there.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 42:51
I'd be curious about that. But I'd also be curious if they're also people that may not be doing finger sticks. So they may not really know if their sensor is really off. Yeah, it. I mean, because, you know, having had diabetes as long as I have. I didn't have sensors for a good majority of my life with diabetes. I didn't. And I mean, my first sensor was in 2006. That's when I first started using them. And so I was always, I still am. I still do finger sticks during the day, even if it's not to check my CGM. It's because it's time to eat. And I'm so

Scott Benner 43:35
programmed.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 43:36
I'm just programmed to do a finger stick. I do a finger stick when I wake up in the morning. I do a finger stick at lunchtime. I do a finger stick at dinnertime. I always do it before I go to bed. And I'll even do more than that during the day with exercise. Right? And I just it's just a routine. It's like brushing my teeth. It's not something I think about anymore. So I think that I'm also a little bit more in tune then with Oh, my CGM is reading this. My finger stick was this. You know, and for those who pomp especially if you're relying on the CGM, but you've not really been doing finger sticks, and you're kind of wondering why Will my GM from Dexcom is telling me this is my average. But every time I get my a one c done, gosh, it looks like I'm a lot higher. Yeah,

Scott Benner 44:21
well,

Jennifer Smith, CDE 44:22
it. It could just be that CGM just isn't reading you as

Scott Benner 44:26
accurately. Do you remember a long time ago in the original Omni pod? PDM there was the meter and that the meter wasn't it wasn't great. And so that's how I figured it out. Right. So how did I figure out the meter wasn't great, because Arden's a one seat kept coming back higher than it should and it didn't matter. This is before CGM, and it didn't match what the finger sticks. were telling me. And that's when

Jennifer Smith, CDE 44:54
we'll figure out how to play with the Kalam

Scott Benner 44:56
Yeah, then you change the calibration code and the meter works better. And so I used to it was 17 or 18, right? All the all the test strips for the Omni pod PDM or code 1616 and some people change the meter to code 17 and some people change the meter to code 18 depending on which ends up being more accurate for them, we were 18 I know a lot of people were 17

Jennifer Smith, CDE 45:19
Yes, I was 18

Scott Benner 45:20
Yes. And then Arden's a once he started matching my expectations, just like that. So you can be mad about it if you want. But at this point, now that meters a decade old, right, and you know, and so the people were like, I can't believe that the new dash doesn't have a meter in it. You don't want a meter in your technology, because the meter keeps getting older. All of our new technology now is updatable, right? It's like your iPhone, you want to put a new operating system on it, you can a new app. But if you stick a physical piece of equipment into it like a meter, now suddenly you are stuck with that meter forever. And that's that's I don't think that's a good play. And I think that's why if I had to guess why Omni pod took it out? I think that's one of the reasons. It could be. Yeah, I

Jennifer Smith, CDE 46:03
mean, it's also the reason I think that they've decided, you know, now when you get on the pod, the dash system, you get the Contour. Next One,

Scott Benner 46:11
right. And the PDM is now really just sort of like a lockdown Android device. Right? Right, exactly. But it's, but the point is, is that I saw that as far as moving on, I kept thinking like, Oh, my God, this meters old, old, old, and I felt tied to it at that point. You know, I am. I hate to say this, but I am so much more happy with the Contour. Next One, then I was with the PDM meter. Back in the day, I'm thrilled with it. And I think that two people listening probably were like, Oh, my God, Scott's taking a meter ad. We know he uses Dexcom, he probably doesn't even use a meter, we use a meter every time we need a meter. And it's a lot more than you think it is. And it's not because Dexcom is not great. It's for the reasons Jenny just said. So I was

Jennifer Smith, CDE 46:55
actually kind of curious, you know, I my insurance doesn't cover the Contour. Next One, I wish it did. It covers the Accu check guide me, which is another very similar to the contour its accuracy. That kind of parallels, right. But the interesting thing is I do have a Contour Next One. And I had like the sample bottle of test strips that kind of comes with it. So I played once I got my Accu check. I was like, I'm just curious. And they were pretty spot on with each other, quite honestly, which was nice to see. But also then went back to my old school PDM and my freestyle light test strips and and I figured out that actually that code 18 is the one if it was the code 18 it was within like two to five points of the contour next in the accucheck. Yep. So that's old school as it is.

Scott Benner 47:45
Code. I know. I know. That doesn't make sense to a lot of people. But code 18 for code 16 strips in the old PDM perfect for Arden was the way to go. You know what's interesting here, here I have three people in a row who I know are not old school diabetes people but been added a long time right people whose comments that I'll pay attention to when I see them roll by Jen, a big note of calibration, Shawn, personally, I would never use the G six without calibrating. And then the third person reads as we calibrate if readings are off by more than 20%. But it doesn't happen that often. These are three people whose opinion I think are probably pretty good. And they said three different things.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 48:26
And they all do it differently. And I think it's also kind of as I commented earlier about mice a good number of my sensors like just being done on day eight. I think it goes back to the the truth in that the sensor filament interacts with everybody's body system, body tissue, interstitial fluid, whatever you're going to call it a bit differently. I think that's the reason some sensor systems work beautifully for some people, and not so beautiful for others. I've got friends who love their Medtronic sensors get really awesome accuracy finger stick CGM. It's always on they don't have any problems with their systems. I could not get that thing to work for me. For the life of me and I wore both my sensors I wore Medtronic and Dexcom and it just

Scott Benner 49:18
never want to work. Good. But you know, here's another name that I Kristen who I know. And she says I've never calibrated I do not believe my blood. Here's why. I do not believe my blood glucose meter to be more accurate than my dexcom. So she just doesn't have probably Chica confidence in her meter. And some people don't think about that. They're just like, yeah, I checked it. So the meter the meter is like God, you know, the meter said so the meters right? Well, you know, some of those meters. If you've seen the testing, I brought it up recently on an episode. There's I think the last one was like 2018, right and it kind of ranked them only like six meters even ranked in like I would use this. If I was You all the other ones were like, Don't buy this meter.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 50:03
Right? The variance was way off. Yeah,

Scott Benner 50:05
right. Well, okay, we're out of time, aren't we? Because we're also at the end of the list. I only had an hour today. So I actually got down to the list. There's people's I'm sorry, I skipped some that obviously were repetitive. But yeah, like Jenny said in the middle, I think that what works for you is important that checking with a quality meter is important. And it seems that you know, the consensus seems to be if you're going to calibrate, make sure you're hydrated at a stable blood sugar before exercise, no active insulin, that kind of stuff. So the thing has a chance to, clearly,

Jennifer Smith, CDE 50:44
correctly from the beginning.

Scott Benner 50:46
Yeah, that's it. I wonder if we'll get yelled at about this? I don't think so. I think we were very clear.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 50:51
Yeah, I don't think I mean, it's not like we're saying, This is what you should definitely be doing. 100% to make. I mean, that's not this is not medical advice. This is just discussion. Jennifer,

Scott Benner 51:01
this is a woke culture. Okay, if you say something out loud that somebody doesn't agree with. You're trying to ruin the world. Don't you understand?

Jennifer Smith, CDE 51:08
I do understand.

Scott Benner 51:10
All right. Listen, I want to wish you a lot of luck changing your light bulb. And I really wish I knew your husband, because I would go behind your back and tell him that you don't change the look.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 51:20
Like I will, he will laugh at me. He'll be like who don't you see this little like thing on the side? This is very, like, pull it off. And so I'm like, scouring.

Scott Benner 51:28
Well, listen, I'm gonna help you for a little bit before you go. He's get up on a ladder and look around the ridge at the ceiling to see if there's little set screws that are holding the whole thing or not. No, that's good.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 51:39
There are no screws, there's nothing.

Scott Benner 51:41
So then it's got to be. Did you twist it for? I don't want you to twist it out of the ceiling.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 51:47
Yeah, I twisted the glass part of it, which is would be the next option. Because I've seen the glass bulbs that just twist off, right? This one is either really screwed in unbelievably tight, which I guess might be the case. Or maybe I'm just too worried to try to unscrew it or like, heavier because I don't want it to crack in my hand.

Scott Benner 52:06
Here are my two thoughts. When you're trying to turn it is the base the metal base turning with it? No. Okay. So maybe you have I don't think you have to turn the base. But what I am thinking is, is it possible that it's a reverse thread?

Jennifer Smith, CDE 52:22
Oh, counterclockwise.

Scott Benner 52:23
If you have to turn it the other way opposite. I wish you had enough time I would like to make you go up right now and turn it and see if it comes off. But instead I will just wait for your text message later. And

Jennifer Smith, CDE 52:32
I will let you know whether I required help to change the light bulb or not. I hundred

Scott Benner 52:37
percent agree you shouldn't tell anybody about this. That's all. Thanks. Yeah. All right. Well, thanks for doing this. I really appreciate it. Yeah,

Unknown Speaker 52:44
absolutely. Have a good weekend. Bye. Okay, bye.

Scott Benner 52:48
Hey, everybody, Jenny's gone. I'm still here. We're going to do everybody's favorite podcast thing I'm going to read to you for a second this is from dexcom.com. In their frequently asked questions. The question is, is my dexcom sensor accurate heading Dexcom g six continuous glucose monitoring system reading and meter value. Whether you're new to Dexcom, or experience, Review Product instructions before using the Dexcom g six. Keep using your blood glucose meter to make treatment decisions until you know how Dexcom works for you. Your meter gives you one number if you test twice, using the same or even different meter, it gives you another number and your Dexcom g six gives you a third. What do you do with all those numbers? Next heading is the test. The test your doctor does is considered a more accurate glucose number than any products you use at home. Both meters and Dexcom g six are compared to that doctors test to measure accuracy in clinical studies. They aren't compared to each other. Because of this, the dexcom g sex reading and meter value are unlikely to be exactly the same number, but they should be close. Compare the meter and your Dexcom g six to see how closely the numbers match each other. If your G six reading and meter value are within what we call the 20 rule, also known as the 20% 20 rule. They match closely. Here's the rule. To use the 20 rule follow the steps using the table below my gosh there's a table lookup your meter value in the green middle column. The left g six column shows the low range for G six reading that okay, you're gonna have to go look at this yourself. I'll put a link in the show notes for this 2020 rule goes on to talk about good fingerstick practices. When you're using your meter. Make sure your test strips are stored as directed and not expired. Your hands are clean for finger sticks. Wash your hands thoroughly with soap and water, not hand gel and dry them then test. There are times when the numbers temporarily don't match, but are likely to become closer over time. For example, the sensors first day with newly inserted sensors the difference between your meter value and Your g six reading may be greater. Generally the match gets closer over the first 24 hours. Glucose changes quickly. When your glucose is changing quickly, it is more difficult to compare numbers. The meter and Dexcom g six measure glucose from different sources. They are blood and interstitial fluid and blood glucose changes a little before interstitial fluid. The match gets closer and easier to compare. When your glucose stabilizes pressure on the sensor. When something is pressing on your sensor, it can affect your G six readings, the match should get closer after the pressure is relieved. That of course is what people call a compression low. So everything they're saying here matches pretty much everything that we found. Talking to Jenny, you know my experiences and what everybody in the Facebook page was saying. To determine what to do watch your G six readings over several hours. If the readings are always higher or always lower than your meter values, and always outside of the 20 rule, consider calibrating. Also consider calibrating if your Dexcom g six meter numbers don't match and your expectations or symptoms fit the meter value, not the G six reading calibration. calibrating your G six with your meter is never required. It can make the dexcom g six more accurate or less accurate compared to lab results, but it should bring the G six reading closer to the meter. When calibrating make sure you enter the calibration within five minutes of taking the finger stick. You don't calibrate during a sensor error. If you like you can calculate the 20 rule on your own. The dexcom g six reading must be within 20% of the meter value when the meter value is 80 mg dl or higher 20 mg dl of the meter value when the meter value is under 80. Please note that the information listed here is applicable to the dexcom CGM user within the US only. I cannot just read you this link. Because it is it looks very maybe I can hold on one second. So it's dexcom.com forward slash FAQ s forward slash is dash my dash Dexcom dash sensor dash accurate. Like I said I'll put a link in the show notes.

Huge thanks to the Contour Next One blood glucose meter for sponsoring this episode. Go to Contour Next one.com Ford slash juice box to learn more. And thanks to touch by type one.org for being such a wonderful long term friend of the show. Check them out touched by type one.org. Of course if you'd like to get a dexcom CGM dexcom.com forward slash juice box you can get a free no obligation demo of the Omni pod tubeless insulin pump that my Omni pod.com forward slash juice box take the survey at T one d exchange.org forward slash juice box guys ready to hear Jenny admitted not being able to do something that I think she's kind of embarrassed about and some other chitter chatter if you're looking for bonus material, I got you covered.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 58:18
I'm fed children I've gotten them changed I've wiped but

Scott Benner 58:23
I had

Jennifer Smith, CDE 58:25
washed my hands and then I picked my tomato isn't hi peppers from my garden and chili was how did you get up?

Scott Benner 58:32
Six o'clock. Oh, so last night.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 58:35
That was seven o'clock your time.

Scott Benner 58:38
Last night. Last night as Arden's pump was winding down. I was like it'll make it overnight, then her and her CGM me, right. And we change your CGM around seven o'clock it was done. It lasted the entire you know 10 days. It was working great right when I shut off and we hit like a little bit of a bleeder I was like God that'll probably be okay. So it comes on in two hours. And Ardennes. CGM starts are all exactly the same. It comes on nosorh blood sugar perfectly. And within an hour tells me she's low when she's not. And then we we coax it along and get it going and it's fine. So this happens. Around midnight I go to sleep. And at 2am Kelly wakes me up and she goes, Hey, I need help we changed Arden's pump, because our blood sugar was going up. And her CGM has lost its signal. And I was like, Okay, no problem. I'll take care of it. You go back to sleep. And I did take care of it, Jenny. And then I went back to sleep at 6am I was up for four hours in the middle of the night. And no and it just It would come back and it would go away and it would come back and it would go away. But I'm, I know, it's gonna be all right. And if this would have happened in the middle of the day, I want to be clear that this doesn't happen often. Does it just happen this time at a really bad time? But since it did happen, I know what I want to talk about today.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 1:00:18
Oh, great. And while we're waiting that I'm going to actually I've got like, I have so many chords. What's going on? What is the deal with chords? Right? The room

Scott Benner 1:00:29
is cleaned up, though. It's different.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 1:00:32
Oh, oh, because we are putting in new floors. Oh, this room. Okay, this. This is the bigger of, they put in new floors in our living room. They're like, we are purging our home of carpet.

Scott Benner 1:00:47
Okay,

Unknown Speaker 1:00:48
blah.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 1:00:50
So living room got done. Now we're moving on to the space that has been my office which interestingly has been, it's the bigger of the two bedrooms, right. Okay.

Unknown Speaker 1:01:03
And

Jennifer Smith, CDE 1:01:04
we're going to put new floors in here. And then we're going to put new floors in what is now the room that the boys technically share. Okay, we're gonna then transition rooms. I'm gonna take that room, which is actually the smaller they're gonna we're gonna move their stuff in this room and this is the bigger of soap.

Scott Benner 1:01:24
You're under. Well, listen, we are on stop. It's amazing. I know. There's nothing like being an adult is there? We just ordered a floor for Arden's room. And she very Arden just picked this floor that wasn't very expensive. So we were like, okay, yeah, you can have she's like, Can I do this? And when she picked that one, we're like, yes, you can. And you absolutely can. But we're replacing we. It's funny, you said this we wanted to replace, we've hardwood through most of our house. So kids bedrooms, and this room, amen. Is carpeted. And then our living room is carpeted. But everything else has Tyler or wood. And we wanted to make the living room, tile or wood or something. We weren't really sure what. Because the one one of the bonehead mistakes we made when we put the house together was we bought this carpeting and didn't realize and dog owners will know right away, you don't buy looped carpeting with a dog right. And we didn't know that our carpet cats or I think the over under on poles that I fixed in that carpet have to be in the thousands, you know, or sometimes the dog's leash or something gets called on a runs away and just Yanks out like six inches of carpet and I actually get back down on my hands and knees with a hot glue gun and toothpicks and put each one back in again. Right. Hi, God,

Jennifer Smith, CDE 1:02:51
you have so much more time than me. Oh my god.

Scott Benner 1:02:55
The other option was the other option would have been to burn the house down. It was like right in the middle of the room. You know, like I said, we got to get out of here. It was just really bad. And so we can't afford to put wood down or what we wanted to put down in there right now. So we just went out and bought like a really inexpensive piece of carpet and it's being delivered in a couple of days. I can't believe we're doing flooring at the same time

Jennifer Smith, CDE 1:03:16
at same time. Yeah, I don't think I've ever seen the floor in that room. Usually there's like a nice couch behind you. And that's all I see besides like,

Scott Benner 1:03:25
Yeah, well my son stole the couch, just so you know. So that's gone now. He's like, I'm gonna take this sofa into my room because and he's home forever. So we're like, Alright, he's, you know, my gonna take the couch, you know? He's got that. And I have all of Arden's junk in here because we're waiting for the flooring to be put in her room. So it's a bit of a disaster. Anyway,

Jennifer Smith, CDE 1:03:47
but I was gonna say I'm gonna get yet another core do totally

forgot to plug the cord for the computer like Direct Connect in so give me a sec.

Scott Benner 1:03:55
Yeah, sure.

I make Jenny plug her I don't let her use Wi Fi while we're doing this. She's dragging an ethernet cable across.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 1:04:10
Oh, and I also realized that I I have no clue how to change the lights.

Scott Benner 1:04:17
What do you want to change in there? What do you mean what

Unknown Speaker 1:04:19
I

Jennifer Smith, CDE 1:04:20
want light bulbs in the ceiling died. You don't i

don't i cannot figure out how to

get like you talking about let me say I don't know how to get it off. I have no idea is there

Scott Benner 1:04:35
no screw in the middle of it.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 1:04:37
There's no screws. I've tried to turn in the glass.

It doesn't unscrew. I don't know what to do. So I have a big ol like floor lamp in here now so that I actually have Why have you

Scott Benner 1:04:53
brought anyone else into? Try to figure it out?

Jennifer Smith, CDE 1:04:58
No. I should If I knew I should ask my husband, do you

Scott Benner 1:05:02
not want to tell your husband? You can't figure out how to change the light bulbs, right?

Jennifer Smith, CDE 1:05:08
Like, I'm not this dumb, like, I don't know what the deal is. Oh,

Scott Benner 1:05:12
you're not wrong. It's is it glass? It's a dome, right?

Jennifer Smith, CDE 1:05:16
And it's glass. Right? So it's

like the wrong move. Like, I just I think I also need to get like a taller.

Scott Benner 1:05:23
Are you reaching? Yes. Yeah.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 1:05:25
Because I've got just the basic Let's switch. This stool has worked fine for all of the other like ceiling things. Right.

Scott Benner 1:05:31
So why wouldn't it work for this? How long has the light bulb in that light been working for you? This is the first time you try to change

Jennifer Smith, CDE 1:05:39
it is we moved in.

It'll be October 1 will be two years in this house. And we've not changed the light bulbs in this light. It's obvious.

Scott Benner 1:05:52
That's good. Wrong. I'm doing all right.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 1:05:54
Good lights, I guess you know, but also don't get used that very that often. And because I'm really on this in this room during the daytime. Okay, and so unless it's really dark in here, I typically don't usually use them. But anyway,

Scott Benner 1:06:13
yeah, cool. All right. Listen, let's try to bring your yes your bring your microphone a little closer. Do

Jennifer Smith, CDE 1:06:18
no sir to me. Is that better? Try get

better. Yes. That's okay. There's this guy.

Scott Benner 1:06:25
It's been. So hopefully we've answered some of your questions today about how to calibrate or not calibrate your Dexcom g six and the other burning question. How many people does it take to change a light bulb in Jenny's house? As of now we know the answer to be more than one. If Jenny's involved and it's in her office. Thanks so much for listening to the Juicebox Podcast. Please take the time to share the show with a friend and leave a wonderful five star review on Apple podcasts. If you're so inclined.

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#374 Back to School

Kristin is a teacher and the mother of a child with type 1 diabetes

She's here to talk about her life experiences and we even talk about going to school in the time of Covid-19.

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Scott Benner 0:06
Hello, everyone, and welcome to Episode 374 of the Juicebox Podcast. Today, my guest is Kristin. Kristin is the mother of a child with Type One Diabetes. She's also an educator. So we get to talk a little bit about how she does things with her son. And a little bit about how she's feeling what she's expecting that she goes back to school in the midst of COVID-19. This one's got a little something for everybody. Please remember, as you're listening that nothing you hear on the Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice, medical or otherwise, always consult a physician before making changes to your health care plan, or becoming bold with insulin. If Juicebox Podcast has been valuable in your life, please consider taking a moment to share it with someone else. You could do that any way you want. And I would be grateful. Are you looking for a way to share the pro tip episodes from the podcast with someone else? diabetes pro tip.com. Need a great endocrinologist or have one to share juicebox docs.com.

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Kristin 1:54
My name is Kristen and I live in Virginia.

Scott Benner 1:59
I guess we'll start by saying that in your email. I guess I must have said something on the podcast at some point that made you realize that Arden was diagnosed at the same hospital that your child was is that right? Yeah. Uh huh. Ah, that's interesting, because I don't I'm sorry. I said that's interesting, because, you know, I don't live in Virginia, and I never have.

Kristin 2:20
So what I was gleaming from when I listened to one of your first podcasts or was reading on the site was that you guys were on vacation? And then the nearest Children's Hospital was? I think you guys you said you all were in the Outer Banks or something. And then the closest Children's Hospital was kings. I don't know if I'm allowed to say the name or not is daughter right? Is that? Is it the name? Yes. Uh huh. Yep. Ch Katie, a long time ago. And then you were talking about some of the doctors and then want to, um, one of the names came up? Um, are you still there? I am.

Scott Benner 2:59
I'm listening.

Kristin 3:01
My brain did something weird.

I just want to make sure

Scott Benner 3:05
I just figured maybe a lot of kids and you're not accustomed to being listened to. You're like, there's so much quiet. What's happening

Kristin 3:11
that well that you mentioned something about one of the doctors last names and it was in the same group. A doctor that's been there forever. Yeah. And, and I was like, Oh my gosh, that's the same people that that we used and so yeah, but we love them love them. And I think the can't remember. Me only have we've Dr. Joe Briscoe is the doc the main doctor that we see. Okay. And then the the diabetes educator, her name is Debbie miles. Those were the main two that we worked with. But I know there was like a rice Schneider or something. And then there was a couple other doctors in there that we've you know, heard of, or had like a you know, a wave down the hallway or something like that when my son got diagnosed.

Scott Benner 4:03
You we were we were in Virginia Beach on like a little vacation with family. And we were driving towards like the first hospital that my navigation system told us about and keep in mind with that means there's a navigation system in my car in 2006 which is not like not like Apple Maps popping up and being like you want to stop it while while on your way like it you know, it wasn't quite that fancy. But we're driving to the to the hospital. And I called Adam who some people might recognize as the doctor who came on and talked about Coronavirus a couple of times who's you know, Arden's pediatrician and my son's pediatrician. And I was like, I'm going to this hospital. Arden has diabetes. And you know, it's like 132 o'clock in the morning. I'm sure he was like, You're out of your mind. Like, you know, I'm sure what he was thinking. But I started really describing it to him. And of course, we had done a finger stick. And so he's like, Oh, yeah, you gotta go and I was like, right and then he jumped online and And he's like, I think you should reroute to this other hospital. So we just changed course and went there. Okay. And that's how we ended up there. And, you know, obviously, it really good Diabetes Center within that hospital. Yes. But you know, as as to whether or not it's funny, I asked people all the time about their diagnosis, like, how was it in the hospital? Like, you know, what was your experience? And if I thought about my experience, my experience was I cried, and I was confused.

Unknown Speaker 5:29
You know? Yep.

Kristin 5:32
I get to do that, again, I apologize.

Scott Benner 5:35
at work. Are you a teacher?

Kristin 5:37
I am a teacher. Yeah, we were in our pre service days. So the days that we hang out and get ready. Right now,

Unknown Speaker 5:46
though, there's their students in the dorm.

Kristin 5:49
There are no students here yet, we will start the day after Labor Day. But we're not even going to have kids, then I'm a fourth grade teacher. And the way our cities rolling everything out is kindergarten through third grade will start on a hybrid schedule. So like every other day, flip flop things. Next week, and fourth and fifth grade and up, will gradually be released back into the schools on hybrid schedules later, they want to see how it goes number cases and all that good stuff, how it goes so so people won't hear

Scott Benner 6:23
this right away. So make your prediction, like, how's this gonna go?

Kristin 6:28
Oh, my gosh. So, we've been talking, there's eight teachers on our grade level. So we, we've all been talking about how things are gonna work out. And

I personally

think it's probably going to at least be the first nine weeks first quarter. So probably November, we're really teeny little town. I'm, I mean, I don't mind sharing where I am, I'm in person. And so it's a little small town. There's only like, 12,000 people, and we've only had like 50 cases the entire time. So it's either they're all going to get together and schools gonna start and the cases are gonna go crazy. And then they'll have to, you know, lock it down, and we're all virtual, or we'll have to, or we'll start, and the kids will continue to be asymptomatic and nobody will know. And they'll start releasing them in so I can't

Scott Benner 7:21
wait, I think one person to get tested positive, everyone's gonna freak out. And that'll be the end of it.

Kristin 7:27
Pretty much we've been told if somebody gets tested then or if they test positive, then it's like, between two and five days of sanitizing the school and you know, then you got to look at who's in the room and who's part of the classes. So yeah, it's definitely gonna be very interesting.

Scott Benner 7:46
Yeah. That is something there's, um, my wife's a big proponent of the idea of putting people together in smaller groups and keeping them together. I think those are minis a word and get it wrong. Like I feel like it's called a cohort. But But she's just she's like, She's such a big proponent of that being a way to do things like this. So I don't know, I guess you're gonna find out. I'm just, I all I can tell you is that this summer, Cole played in, like a collegiate baseball league. Was it a game one day, and he hit home run, which is very fun. And I and I walked in, I got the ball. So um, I picked the ball up and I I stuck it in my pocket. And I got back to where I was sitting and I threw it. I think I like threw it on top of my cooler or something like that. Like four days later, he said, Hey, our game got canceled today. I said, Why? He goes off some kid we played last, you know, week has Corona. And he's like, so they're, they're canceling our game and the other team that we played, and I was like, Oh, do you know what kitty is? I'll find out. So he comes back. He goes, he remember that homerun? I hit I said he goes it was the pitcher. And I'm like, so are you telling me that this Corona boy was touching this baseball. Threw it towards you. You struck it and 400 feet later I picked it up and that's that's it? He goes yeah, I said I don't seem to have coronavirus I said I guess we're okay but but I brought it freaks me out for a second because I brought the ball home. And as I was coming through the house, I stuck it back in one of my in a bag and it ended up in my bedroom and I literally like stuck it on top of the tissue box next to my bed. So for everyone who's wondering how things spread, I took Corona baseball and jam that on tissues that I later rubbed all over my face.

Kristin 9:39
Ah, everybody let everybody have it in gold today. Right

Scott Benner 9:42
Kristen? I'll tell you right now if you asked me if I was being careful, I would have said absolutely I was.

Kristin 9:49
You're outside of course you can't get

Scott Benner 9:51
outside. I was nowhere near anybody. asked when I went into the restroom. I was completely careful except when I touched the corona baseball and then jammed it on my tissues Other than that, I was completely safe. So just everyone remember that when you're like, I'm being careful if you're an idiot, so am I, and we all are and nobody's being careful, you're being as careful as you can be, you know, that's really interesting. Well is your child school age for your school?

Kristin 10:15
He is actually. Um, so his name is Caleb, and he will be starting kindergarten this year, what are your start kindergarten. And he will, we chose the hybrid option for him. So there was two options, you could do hybrid where you go to school every other day, or you could do virtual, where you just stay home and hang out on a computer. And he is five years old and crazy and loves people and loves being out and about, and he really, really needs school. So he will start, we don't know, he'll be in school two days a week. And so he'll go to the local primary school here and hang out with other kindergarteners other little, you know, German kids. And then and then he'll be hanging out with mom at work for three days a week, while I do virtual teaching, and he does virtual online. Okay,

Scott Benner 11:11
so two things. One, I just decided I'm pulling this up now, because of the relevance and timing and and to show by the way, you just jumped ahead of like 30 recordings, people are gonna be very angry at you. But But unless you really botched the rest of this, and I'm just like, Oh, she fell apart at the end. But Mike, my question is, is what's the last two questions, actually, I guess, what's the idea of limited days is it he's there two days, and a group of other kids is there two other days?

Kristin 11:43
Yes, that's all about the size of the classrooms. Um, so we have, again, our towns really small. And so we only have, we have four schools total, we have one primary one, elementary one, middle one high school. And so what they can do by having, they'll have a days and B days. So eight days go, like Mondays and Thursdays and then be days go Tuesdays Fridays, and that way they can sanitize in between. And then we get Wednesdays, as a teacher work day just to collaborate really get a good sanitizing in there. And then the kids that way, the kids aren't missing super extended amount of days without school. And that way, they can have no more than 12 kids in a room at a time, they figured out that 12 kids is like the max number that they can have in a room space six feet apart, and in their own little desk bubble in the classroom.

Scott Benner 12:43
What are the chances as an educator in your opinion that five year olds will stay spaced apart?

Kristin 12:49
Um, I fully expect that if he doesn't, um, I mean, he's really good about wearing a mask. And that is a rule is the kids are supposed to be wearing masks, but I mean, recess, forget it, they're gonna they're gonna do their thing. They are eating lunch in the classrooms, and so they are going to be stuck at their desks eating lunch. Same thing throughout any other classroom that's in. And so I think they're gonna try their best, but I think recess is where they're gonna fall apart. Um, that's not as regulated as PE. But we don't even know what recess looks like yet. So let me suggest.

Scott Benner 13:30
But let me suggest you take two ropes and a six foot long stick now here you go. You tie one into the stick to one rope, but the other and just stick to another opportunity to tie the ropes around the kid's waist. So they can run about but they can't quite get close to each other and then continue to do that, like a honeycomb pattern and set all the kids in that situation, then they can just kind of move like a like a bird. Birds, what is it called a flock, they can move. I can't move. I couldn't pick a flock, I was in the middle of a absolute ridiculous idea. And then I lost flock and ruined my flow. That was flocking difficult. So you just move it around like that, and then they'd be fine. I don't know who's gonna untie them or tie them back up. That person will probably have to be, I don't know, euthanized, I guess right after they

Unknown Speaker 14:11
know the kids.

Scott Benner 14:12
So I'm not making light of it. Because I don't believe in being safe. I'm just trying to say that I think that the nature of man is going to take over at some point. And I think the opposite of someone's going to get sick and everybody panics is no one gets sick. And inside of two weeks, everybody's like, ask screw these rules. Yep, yeah. So this is gonna be quite a little experiment. How do you feel about Caleb and his type one being in this experiment?

Kristin 14:45
Oh, um, we will. I will say we really trust our doctors, his pediatrician, his endocrinologist, everybody we've spoken to I mean, listening to your podcasts and reading and stuff. Everybody has said they're no more susceptible than any other kid. We, my husband and I are kind of old school, we're, I mean, we say this unless something major happens, but we're kind of under the, the idea that you got to live life, he's got to get out there, he has not been able to go and he doesn't get to go play over other kids houses and you know, mommy just drop him off and drive away because of his situation. And so he needs that interaction. And it's a safe place. He's got a nurse, and I'm right down the road. And so we kind of feel like the benefits of being in school and around other kids outweigh the chances of him getting sick. And my husband and I are really particular. On watching numbers. He's got the Omni pod, he's got the Dexcom all that good stuff, we have an excellent nurse. And so we're, we're hoping that we can be a good team and just rally around him and he's gonna do whatever he's gonna do, because he's gonna love life and enjoy his time. And he's so excited about school, and all the adults will do all the worrying in the background kind of prep.

Scott Benner 16:06
Whoever's knocking, I'm recording, it's very likely my son who wants me to make him breakfast. I guarantee that's what that was 20 years old. He's like, Can you give me some eggs together? He's in between classes. Right now. He's in his bedroom. Getting a quantitative economics degree in my, in my house.

So that's exciting. And Tuesdays, which today are his, uh, his, like, he's got like three classes pretty much stacked on each other in the middle of the day here.

Unknown Speaker 16:37
I don't know. Yeah.

Scott Benner 16:40
So it's funny, because everything you just said, I can I can easily find myself agreeing with, right. Like about going back to school? I absolutely can't I'm not even like, it's not like a you said one thing that I completely disagree with it. I'm just being you know, amenable. I really can find myself agreeing with everything you just said. And at the same time, we have the ability, because right now Kelly is working from home because of Cronin. They're not making her go back anytime soon. And I obviously do what I do, you know, from my house. And so when the option came up for the school, you know, would you like to go back? Or would you like to stay home? And we said to Arden let's first I guess figure out what she wants to do. So we got her aside, and he said, hey, look, they're giving you the option? What do you think? You know, we like to give her the, like the illusion that we're like taking her opinion into account. letting her like if she said something crazy, we would just be like, Oh, well, if that's what you think, sure. We just shut that down in two seconds. But we're like, you know, what do you think? And she didn't hesitate. She said, I could stay home again. And I was like, Yeah, she goes home doing that. I was like, why she was so much easier. I get to sleep later. I don't have to get dressed in the morning. And she's like, this makes a ton of sense to me. Plus, you know, just it's better for me. And I was like, how's it better? She's like, I don't have to get up early. And I was like, gotcha, that was really I think the the real crux of her decision making process. And I said, so we said, well, what about people? And she goes,

Unknown Speaker 18:13
Oh, no, I don't need people. Yeah,

Scott Benner 18:16
it'd be alright, she goes. And she has a circle of friends. That is interesting, because they don't particularly have a second circle. So it's not like these six girls leave each other. And then each of them has five other friends. You know what I mean? Like, it's just they just stay together really. And so they've had some interactions and, like gone, like they're all starting to get their permits now. So they're driving, you know, and picking each other up for things and you know, stupid stuff. Like I'm going for a lot of rides with little girls is basically what I'm doing. It sounds terrible. I know I met it. Yeah. And it's just me and a bunch of little girls in a car usually. And but but don't worry, I let them drive. And you know, and it's very simplified. They'll come over to the house a little bit, a couple of them. They'll sit outside, light a fire at night or watch movie outside or something like that. And it's there. None of them are going back to school. They all were just like no, no, thanks. Like we'll just stay here so everybody makes this decision. Two weeks pass and the school pops up and goes you know what, we're not gonna let the kids go back to school and so all that Oh, yeah. All that for nothing. Right? Just like they just they did a 182 seconds. They're like, can I forget it? I think they're letting like the really little kids go back. I

Kristin 19:35
guess how ours?

Scott Benner 19:36
Yeah, I think they're more expendable a little kids apparently. I don't know what Just kidding. Easier to replay. Well, they're smaller. And so when you bury them, you don't need as much of a whole like so I think that's how they're probably thinking about it. But no, I mean, I obviously don't know the idea behind why it's okay for a little kids but not older kids. None of it makes sense to me. I actually think we're all in a situation. that none of it makes sense, like everything you try to do doesn't make sense. Like, in my opinion, you either have to say it's over, by end by over meaning, we're just gonna all go back and do what we used to do, and people are gonna get sick. Or you got to keep, you got to keep doing what you're doing. I don't see where the the middle ground confuses the hell out of me. Like you don't I mean, it's like, it's like, Christian, it's like starting with a condom and halfway through going, I had it on for over half the time. Yeah, the rest of this is probably gonna be fine. You know, like, and by the way, if you're only gonna wear it half the time. Don't take my advice on this, but I'd wear at the second half not the first day.

Kristin 20:45
I would agree.

Scott Benner 20:46
Well, that's the part where the magic really happens. And so at least, you know, in, in the confines of the condom, and I don't I didn't mean that until I said it now, I love the pun. But

Unknown Speaker 20:58
but so I just really don't.

Scott Benner 21:01
I don't know, like I get I I wear a mask everywhere I stay distant from people, I still, you know, I clean my hands. Very, very carefully. When I go out, you know, you're in the grocery store. And somebody's like, intersection, you stop, like, go ahead. You know, like, like, there's all that still going on. I think if there was a fight in the grocery store right now, which, obviously now you all know, the secret that I only ever go to the grocery store. But because this is my only examples. But, but if there was a fight, and like somebody was like, gonna be like, how that kid's beaten up that kid, that's not fair. I'd like Oh, well. And I'd walked away, you know, but like six months ago, I would have just grabbed one of them and like, what are you doing? You like? So? There's that kind of stuff? And having said that, like? I don't know, like, I mean, if anybody claims to know anything about this, I think you're hoping more than understanding. So it's either gonna be terrible, or it's not. Some places might be okay, and some might not. And I don't know how the hell you think you're gonna guess which is which? So I'm super interested, like, I love using your kid as a test case. So let's get them in there.

Kristin 22:07
All right, thanks. I like the HKT. But I don't know if I want to visit them at all.

Scott Benner 22:12
No, I mean, listen, I think at this point for children, the idea that, you know, they can be asymptomatic and fine or fight it off pretty quickly, or obviously have not been a big part of people who have been, you know, Elon and really, really impacted by it is pretty obvious from the data. But I do wonder about that next step, like you know, is, you know, I'm not wishing this on you, but like, is Caleb gonna grow like horns? And when he's 35, you know, out of the side of his head or something like that. And they'll be like, Oh, those are those Corona horns. Yeah. All the kids that went back to school in 2020. got those.

Kristin 22:50
We'd be doing because we get a preschooler, too. So Oh, yeah.

Scott Benner 22:53
Well, they'll kill each other when they have you ever seen Rams run into each other? It's vicious.

Kristin 22:56
Oh, net? Well, they already tried to do that without the horn. So

Scott Benner 23:01
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Kristin 27:14
He was three years old. So we've we've passed two years, and we noticed him gone, you know, peeing a lot. He was wetting the bed and he had already, you know, he was doing really well with potty training and stuff, especially at night. And so we just chalked it up to he's just sleeping too hard. He can't wake up. And he was drinking a ton of water, like just dying of thirst. And so we call the doctor and we spoken to one of the nurses This was on a Saturday and they're like, well just we'll schedule a time for him to come in come in on Tuesday. This was an April 2018. And so we we go in just kind of like be bopping along, it's the end of the day where the last appointment and they do a finger prick. And then they did a urine test and his blood sugar was like 224 and which in the realm of things compared to other kids. I found that is not too awful, right. And he, the doctor called the endocrinologist at ch Katie and spoke with them. And they It was a lot of information real quick is very, very end of the day. It's the doctor and us in the office and he said kills pediatrician. And he's like so I spoke to this doctor and y'all need to go ahead and pack your stuff. Somebody's gonna need to stay with him the night at ch Katie and they'll fill you in on what's going on. It's looking like he's got diabetes. And that was it. And my husband and I are just completely in shock killed. still mad that he you know, got a finger prick and that her and and then he had no idea what was about to come for him.

We actually

got all packed up. And I we got him in the car. We went to chick fil a and got him we still laugh about it. We got him a chocolate milkshake on the way to the hospital. And we had no idea what chocolate milkshakes do some blood sugars or anything. And we were trying to make them happy. We didn't understand what's going on, got to the hospital. They got them in they did all the blood work and everything that was probably one of the most traumatizing things for him and for me to sit and deal with. And they told us like officially the next day. We spoke with the diabetes educator Debbie miles who was amazing and she just threw a ton of information at us. And we had trainings all day that Wednesday Caleb hung out With a friend of ours, actually, that came in and sat with him and like, the playroom they have upstairs. And I spent the night with him. And we started trying to learn how to do the whole dosing with insulin. And he was so teeny that he had to get the diluted insulin. And so they were trying the teeny tiny little syringes. And my husband and I are like, you know, what the heck is this? How does this work? I didn't understand the calorie, the carb counting and the ratios or anything like that. And I just remember, every two seconds crying, because, you know, I thought I had done this to my kid. And then we got a little more big, we got a little more education that Thursday. And they actually pulled us because he was so small. They were like, you know what, you need to try a pump. And I know a lot of people say that their doctors make them have, you know, diabetes for so long. And you have to get used to do on insulin, you know, injections and stuff. But Dr. Dre risko was wonderful. And he's like, no, let's just try a pump. He's got such small amounts anyway. I mean, he was getting my new amounts of insulin at first. And so we started in Medtronic. And they told us about the CGM and everything, we got a loaner. And we learned how to use the pump. We went home with a loaner that Thursday, my husband and I probably called the emergency number, like three times from Thursday to like the following Monday, when we went back to get just because, you know, he, his range was 101 80 was his safe range at the time. And then if he was over 250, you know, check ketones and do all these other things. And, and I remember he'd hit like, 252 and we'd be like, Oh my gosh, he's gonna die. What do we do? And so we'd call them the doctor on call, and they're like, it's okay. Just give him some water give the insulin time we were still learning. You know, we had to bolus him after he ate because he was picky. And we were still trying to figure out what foods he would eat and what was safe and, and he eats anything you want, but at the time, how much you eat. And so and then we got set up later the next week with his CGM, and with the Medtronic, and the The Guardian, and then his own pump and everything. And he, I ended up I had to quit work, because I was the full time caretaker and he was in preschool at the time, and he was not allowed to be at preschool. without somebody they weren't licensed or anything to help take care of them. And so I went every every other day to preschool with him, and I would hang out for three hours while he did his classes and stuff. And I would bolus him first food and snacks and stuff. And, and that was our whole spring. And then he was and that was it. And then the next year, his preschool was wonderful. And they actually got licensed on giving him his his insulin doses, they learned how to use this pump and everything. That's great. And so we kind of sign you know, son his life away that we trusted them to do it. And he finished out two years. Well, one and a half years of preschool. And when we we traded to the Omni pod and the Dexcom because my husband listened to your podcast a long time about it. And we were tired of the tubes and just the site changes took forever. And it was just a whole lot. And we weren't happy with how accurate the CGM was at the time and he was just we're just annoyed with it. So we tried the Omnipod and the Dexcom absolutely love the way that we do everything now so much easier. And he even Caleb has said he likes it there's no there's no to was he's not getting caught on anything. And he he helps out with his site changes and, and everything and got a little routine down. And yeah,

Scott Benner 34:04
do me a favor. Just just take one pause right here. Yeah, this is where I'm gonna put the ads around the pod index calm. Okay, and then we'll start back up again. Okay, so

Kristin 34:17
good timing.

Scott Benner 34:19
I didn't know you're gonna say that. But not only did you say it You said it right where I was gonna put the ad and I was just like, my gosh, this is easy. Should I just do the ad live with Kristen right now? Can you that'd be so funny kid. Yeah. Do I say it enough that you could probably say

Kristin 34:36
what is it? I'm dead? Well, I know I was thinking about the contour next test strips that actually like strips you know, if you put a dab of blood and it doesn't get it all you can do it again. And And so yeah, every time I pick up this contour next, because we have that do your ads are working real well. We I think about that,

Scott Benner 34:59
so yeah. That's so funny, I could slip into it. In two seconds, the episode or two ago, I did the I did two ads. And I didn't pause. And I just did the whole thing. And I was done. And when I got done, I actually left it in the episode. I was like, I can't believe I just did that. That was amazing. Even I was, like, I got through that whole thing. I didn't make a mistake. I didn't say anything stupid. I was like, sometimes I'll just wander off into just absolute, like odd things later on. Like, I should probably just trim that up a little bit there. I get, I get a little pilot, but I'm glad it's working. And by the way, if you're an advertiser, you know, you're a Christian saying, Yeah, it's not too early to talk about 2021 give me a call. Anyway, well, I guess I should ask like, you didn't just get bullied into something by a guy on a podcast, what made you change from the Medtronic to the the Omni pod in the Dexcom.

Kristin 36:00
So I'm actually, um, I had a student two years ago, and he had the Dexcom. And so this is my first year teaching here in my little town, and killed still had the Medtronic and everything. And I remember seeing his decks Come on, like, What is this thing? There's, you know, you don't have to finger stick No way. And just, I mean, he just be bought along. He only had an Dexcom he was still doing the injections and everything. But I remember seeing that. And then with listening to your podcast, and then my husband was, was talking with me about it. And we asked Caleb, like, Hey, would you like to try this? What do you think about this thing? We got the little test Omni pod to try that out. And so he wore that around for like a day. And he's, I mean, he's five. He's more worried about plan and what kind of video games he can play and what friends are coming over then he is what kind of pump he's wearing. Because that's just not his. He deals with that when he has to. That's not his world right now. Yeah. So we said, let's try this out and Scott's wrong, then we'll just not listen to the podcast anymore, and we won't use them anymore. We'll just go back to what we've been doing. Because it's, you know, the worst. Worse than that would be the shots and we don't want to deal with that

Scott Benner 37:21
person. Let's just clarify. If you don't like the pump, that's the advertise. You can still listen to the show. You don't have to like, you know, you don't get people ideas are like, wow, if I don't agree with them once I can stop listening. No, you're not even allowed to stop listening. stay subscribed, listen to every episode. These are the rules. I've Yeah, don't give people those thoughts. Not allowed to stop. None of you were allowed to stop listening. Okay, Chris, and now keep your thoughts going is, you know, you see how easy it is to to get a thought in someone's head.

Unknown Speaker 37:53
choke him out. Geez.

Kristin 37:55
So we ended up we love it.

And it really has been great. It, I was kind of nervous about the Omni pod because of his size. I mean, he's teeny, he's like 45 pounds, you know. And he's just, he's always been on the smaller side. And I'm thinking he's got this big old block stuck to him, he's gonna knock it off. how's that gonna work. And it's been great, the changing sites is so much easier. We have the sticky patches that we put around that and he just does this thing I like that we can rotate sites more because with the pump, it was kind of harder to you know, yet have like double tubes stuck into places and trying to find the right spot and everything. So with the pod, we can put it in more spots and try things out that he likes and and we like the PDM setup, it's so much easier to use the the little, you know, phone thing that they that came with it. And then we have a phone that we use for his Dexcom. And he just keeps it in a little. A little fanny pack that he wears on his back one of the spy belts that are running and stuff and he he you would never know. That's cool. We get compliments all the time on it.

Scott Benner 39:16
I have to ask you so you to go back just a second. Like you said you went into the preschool. And for that first that first time he was he three then? Yes. Okay. And you kind of just do sat off to the side. I used to sit outside Did you sit outside or what did you do?

Kristin 39:34
It's at a church and so they just let me sit. I would hang out like in the front foyer. I end up getting bored and so they let me help with the volunteers. Like setting stuff up cutting things out and just just being around so that when the time came for lunch or snack or whatever that I was there to be able to go home.

Scott Benner 39:56
I see I would have fallen asleep and one of the pews I think I would have I used to car, listen to the radio and just chill out

Kristin 40:05
on high alert at this time. Yeah,

Scott Benner 40:07
but Oh, don't worry, I was running back and forth like in like a moron, get it, you know, like there was no CGM back then. So I was like, it's time to test again. And oh my god, I just I do not. I don't I do not remember that time as fondly as I'm making it sound I don't think I'm saying I don't think I'm making it sound that fond and I'm still like, oh, but you quit your job to do it. Like that's pretty bad ass like you just were like this kid like you never thought like, oh he's little we don't even know him that well like nothing like

Kristin 40:38
um, no I so I was a teacher and another local city and, and it was April and so at that time my husband and I were talking, I mean he's diagnosed on a Tuesday and so that whole week, you know, in the hospital and stuff I'm dealing with that my thing about work. And I have seen teacher at the time. So that actually helped out a lot with my room, I had somebody who's kind of in charge, and they just had a sub, kind of sit there and, you know, just be a warm body in there. And so my students were still taking care of I knew that and then I remembered

Unknown Speaker 41:13
a picture of education.

Unknown Speaker 41:16
I know,

Scott Benner 41:17
we were legally covered. Don't worry, we were legally covered. It's fine. I don't know what those kids like, learned or anything occurred to me, you're the teacher who like I like the kids come home and go, yo, guess what? My English teacher just flaked out and quit. Yeah, I don't know. Kid got something and she's gone. Like, it's just that. Yeah, that's the other side of it. Wow, that's really cool. It's interesting to hear the side of it is what I mean? Like it's a, it's because I'm used to, I'm used to the other side, like, Hey, I'm used to art and coming home and going, Hey, my math teacher got pregnant, so should be gone pretty soon.

Kristin 41:53
Yeah, no, um, we. So I ended up having to quit, and my boss completely understood, she was awesome about it. And I actually went in and visited my students at the time. And the cool thing was, this was actually a group that I linked up with. And so I had known them for two years. And so we had a really good relationship. And I just explained, you know, Caleb got sick, and this is what's going on, and I'm crying and they're crying. And so they, but I would come and visit, like Field Day, things like that, when we still had that fun stuff in school. And then I was able to get a job. We decided we were ready for me to go back because we could only do so long. Like, unfortunately, I could not be a stay at home parent. So when his preschool agreed that they would, because we knew he had two more years, he's in that weird birthday time. His birthday is Halloween. So he's, he's the older kid in class. And so when the preschool agreed to actually let him come and they get trained in everything, we said, okay, we can make it work. And so we were able to set up our daily routine. And I worked. I mean, I still work. I'm sitting in my building right now, five minutes away from his preschool. So if there was an emergency, I could go and help. And we trained him on everything. And we just had a really good texting system set up. And we had like a text group among the teachers and the, the administrators there and my husband and, and me, and we just did that

Scott Benner 43:28
said, Would any would anybody feel comfortable popping into the text chain? Or was there somebody that was kind of leading the charge, like you or your husband? or How did that work?

Kristin 43:38
So the cool thing was, my husband would, he's really good about remembering, like with lunchtime and stuff, so he would say like, hey, when we got more brave about giving him insulin beforehand, we would text the group and say, Hey, you know, lunch is coming up at 1130. I know it's 1115. Go ahead and give him 20 carbs. And then let's see what he does. And then give them the rest after lunch kind of thing. By the time he had and he was getting finger sticks. And so he they would always tell us what his number was and whatnot, and we would correct or, or Bolus after he ate when he was still on the pump. But with Omni pod in the Dexcom they would just look at his number and say, Hey, this is what his number says. Do you want us do anything else? Unfortunately, because we are still working on getting his ratios down, he always ran a little high. We kind of let him do that for safety reasons because he's so active. So when he drops he drops like a bombshell and he'll just he'll go low real quick. And so they were normally correcting right before lunch and Pre-Bolus saying if there was ever anything like we have all the bells and alarm setup, where things can go off for lows and highs and stuff. But my husband was always the one to text and kind of just tell them hey, do this for lunchtime.

Scott Benner 45:00
What is it different now the management style because it's funny you said something that I find that people say very commonly, you know, blood sugar's just dropped out of nowhere all the time. And then as time passes, I think people come to realize that their, their boluses are probably like pretty severely Miss timed, and it's creating an unbalance of, you know, the insulin action against the, you know, the impact of the carbs. And then they they're crashing, because the foods getting out of their system and the insulin still behind, and then they feed that and then they don't bolus and they jump up again, that goes back and forth. Have you? Have you gotten better with that yet? Or is that still sort of your, your reality?

Kristin 45:45
We have, we've had some days, from actually from listening to you is where we've made the big decision, like, we've got to start getting his numbers under control. You know, if Arden can have a one to five, whatever, and Caleb's is eight, something, we got to work on getting it down. And so we're getting better about timing and Pre-Bolus saying and, and correcting with giving him with bolusing for his number, we still rely on the on the pod and let the pod make the decision for the number. We don't, I've heard you talk about, you know, I'm gonna give are the equivalent of a juice box, you know, in carbs, we still just kind of rely on our ratios right now and getting those together. But the last six months, he's been hanging out with just me, him and his sister have been bored at home with mom. And so we've really been able to hone in on his numbers because I'm around all the time. If there is an emergency, we're not having to go run off somewhere and hope that the school nurse gets him in time.

Unknown Speaker 46:51
We're getting there.

Scott Benner 46:52
Yeah, using this time for but to make those adjustments. That's really cool. I just I'm watching this person right now their blood sugar's and I have, you know, helped them a little. And it's funny to see somebody. Not funny, but it's interesting. Excuse me. It's interesting to see somebody have a problem. Be kind of told, oh, look, you know, this is the fix. And then you help them with it. hold their hand with it for a day. And they're like, Oh my god, this is amazing. Look at how stable these blood sugars are. I'm like, Yeah, right. So just do those things. Then the next day, they're like, they just fall right back into it again, like, Well, I was scared to give the insulin I was like, Oh, yeah, but we did it yesterday. And you saw it was fine. And you know, like, you know, like, but I don't understand what happened. I'm like, do not understand or like, what is it? Exactly? And then they'll kind of pare back well, I guess we should have done this and I'm like, Yeah, right. Like so do that you know and then the but the fears real like it's it's like it's it's just like they've been indoctrinated to believe like this blood sugar is going to get low right here. And I'm and I said but it didn't the day we were together I showed you like look, Basil's right now put the insulin in the right place for the meals. Didn't get too high. Didn't get too low. Do it again. And then they're like, well, I don't understand like the last 12 hours have been a mess. And I'm like, Well, no, you do understand like, look here. You didn't Pre-Bolus this meal, it led to a high, then you overcorrected, which led to a crashing low, which led to it which led to you eating too much food and then not putting it insulin for you got high, and then you corrected. And now all of a sudden, it's 12 hours later. And I said, so you're 12 hours later, trying to say like, I don't know what happened. I know what happened 12 hours ago, you didn't Pre-Bolus lunch. That's what happened, you know. So anyway, this person is going to get it. They're real bright, and they want to do it. And they're going to and it's just it's interesting to watch that resistance in the beginning to Yep, you know, what you think is going to happen and being so wrong. I've come to explaining it to people. I don't know if I've ever said on the podcast before. But I said, I said, Look, you know, first we're going to get your bazel. Right. And then you're going to see that everything that happened before wasn't what you thought. I said one time this I feel so bad about this. I said one time to a person who I didn't know on the phone. I said imagine you've been married for like 20 years. And it's been this happy marriage and everything's fine. Yeah, little house and your picket fence and a couple of kids and the dogs cute. And one day you find out your husband's got three other families. Right? Like what? And I'm against three other family I think I'm being like, like, fantastical when I'm making this really big, crazy story. It's got three other families. One's in another state two are up the street. You know, everything you thought about your life isn't real. And I said so all of your memories and your feelings and the way that it none of its true anymore. And the next thing I was going to say was and so you know when your Basal is really wrong like that you're living sort of in a lie. You're seeing things happen that aren't really what's going on but Now we're going to make your appraisal right. And then you're going to, you're going to be able to not only get things more predictive, but you'll actually be able to trust what you're seeing. And you're going to have to give away some notions that you have that really are based on these lies. And then she starts crying. Oh, I'm like, wait, what's going on? Husband just left her. Like, Oh, my God, I'm so sorry. Actually, that person's listening. I still feel bad. But, but it was just like, I guess I have to think of another explanation, because that's the one that that's the one that really like resonates with me, like, you know, because people think they're so certain What's going on? And then you fix their bazel. And they're like, No, I don't understand. Like, this is what's happening. I'm like, No, no, no, no, he wasn't out volunteering. He was he was staying with his family on j street right over there. Anyway, probably too much of a word picture. So I'm working on paring it. I really do feel bad about that. But she she rebounded, though. And so you know, I mean, listen. Well, what was what was the other option? We were halfway through the conversation? She couldn't leave then right. But anyway, so are you gonna take this system from preschool, into kindergarten.

Kristin 51:22
So we have already had his, um, his IEP has been about individualized health plan, meeting and 504, like all in one with his, the nurse and you know, everybody else that needs to be involved at the primary school. And so we're pretty much gonna have the same kind of system on a texting basis with the nurse. We have sugar mate for like numbers, if, and that's something I have to talk to her about if she wants to have like sugar made up where she can watch that on the computer at school. I mean, my husband and I always have the Dexcom follow stuff. And so we've always got alarms going off and send other busy, they're dealing with a lot of stuff right now. And so we, I mean, part of me just kind of feels like where he and I are just going to watch numbers, and we're going to see if the nurses interested in having his Dexcom follow up on her phone. And because he is the only diabetic right now? No, there's, I think he's one of two at the school right now for this year. And so it's, it's not, you know, like 10 different kids and all sorts of alarms going off for all of them. We're a small town. And so we watch out for each other here. And so we're gonna try the same system. We're hoping we don't always teacher is yet so we're hoping that she'll be really willing to talk with us and either email back and forth with me, or our big thing is just communication. Because he's, he's not at the point he can't read. So I can't text him and tell him you know, hey, give yourself this much or anything, I have to do that with the adults. But we're hoping that they'll be willing to work with us enough and understand, like, Hey, we can make your world really easy if you'll just send us a text here and there or respond to them. And your world can be really rough. If you don't, because then you're gonna have a kid that's like passed out on your floor. If you're not careful. And you don't listen to us, do you? Do you think

Scott Benner 53:20
you'll get a little more? Like, does it grease the wheels that you work there?

Unknown Speaker 53:25
A little bit?

Kristin 53:26
So I'm not at that school, but

Scott Benner 53:29
they know where you are though. Right? Like you guys are, like, get away? Yeah, like do you get like some professional courtesy or something like that? I guess is what I'm saying.

Kristin 53:37
Um, I think the big thing unfortunately, I can be the

I can definitely be the squeaky wheel because I can direct call, like work extensions kind of thing. But, um, I it does make me a lot more vocal for any diabetics at all in the system. Yeah, just because it's it's so near and dear to me. And like I actually just got trained yesterday to be one of the people to help with diabetic students at my school. And so I can help with other children that I mean already know what I'm doing anyway. But you know, now official. So yeah, I think I had it's a fine line because my husband and I are, I mean, that's our kid we're gonna take care of him and we're gonna mama bear and Papa Bear we're gonna come out but you also don't want to alienate anybody or make yourself look bad because you do have to work where they do. Yeah,

Scott Benner 54:30
it's um, and it sticks to you that whole like, yeah, Christians unreasonable, but you know, like that thing. It's hard to get rid of that. Yeah, but no, I think I mean, obviously, I think you'll be fine. I was just wondering if it if it's any easier, I guess just being able to get to people is the easy part. Having like, closer contact, but even that, I guess you're you're not being treated. He doesn't feel like you're being treated any differently than anybody else would be.

Kristin 54:53
No, they're I mean, they're really good about it. Luckily, with the five of four practice, our district requires any case with allergies, any anything special asthma, they all have five oh fours.

Scott Benner 55:05
I'm excited. I'm actually sitting here. But while you're talking about this, I'm looking at this I have a sample hypo pen, the G voke glucagon hypo pen and I keep thinking like, the one reason I was excited for Arden to go back to school was I could look up the nurse go look at this here, you don't have to mix it anymore. You just like this. And like just click, it's all done. And meanwhile, artists never used glucagon once at school, but I still am like, wow, that's such a leap to put it into, you know, like this pre mix thing that you just kind of, I don't know if I'm saying in a way that people understand but very similarly to like everything like an epi pen. You just like pop the cap off and just go. Yep, it's done. It's very cool.

Unknown Speaker 55:44
So we have the powder for him. Yeah.

Scott Benner 55:47
Okay. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, listen, whatever works for you is I'm just I'm excited about this one. I think this one's interesting. So anyway,

Unknown Speaker 55:56
I

Scott Benner 55:57
so you seem okay. Like you're like, Alright, now let me paint a picture for you. Caleb's in kindergarten, and you hear through the grapevine little girl in third grade, had a fever today. She went home. And they're testing her for COVID. Caleb don't have school tomorrow.

Kristin 56:19
Um, I have a feeling that this school wouldn't let us just because I think they're, I mean, the schools open. Yes. And I'll tell you why in a second. But if the school if they follow whatever procedures they've said right now, I have a feeling they'd be waiting for the results before they would open it back up. It'd be that like two to five days. Yeah. Um, but Caleb, I've always said there's two types of diabetics, there's the really sickly ones that seem to catch everything and they're always you know, in the hospital or they're always at home or and then numbers are all over the place. Or there's the ones whose bodies are like on superhero status and their pancreas is dead because our immune system so good that it's like killed off the pancreas, and it just continues to kill everything that comes at it. And Caleb, I say this and hopefully I'm not, you know, shoot myself in the foot.

Scott Benner 57:10
be emailing three weeks now. Can you take that part out about kale never getting sick? He's got the bubonic plague.

Unknown Speaker 57:17
Yeah, exactly. And a

Kristin 57:20
Yeah. But he's, um, he's always been a really healthy kid. I guess sister's the one that's like, you know, got ear infections and fevers and stuff all the time. But, um, she's not in type one. But, uh, my husband and I are kind of convinced that he his immune system is just so hardcore that it's like, you know, take that COVID. And he's only been, he's been to the hospital one time for his blood sugars. And it was because he had a three day stomach virus. And we just could not he couldn't keep anything in. And we hadn't learned the whole glucagon, you know, many doses or anything yet. Yeah. So we got to hang out with endocrinologist that ch Katie again for three days, because he couldn't keep food down and his numbers, he just kept staying low. We couldn't get him up. Yeah. So I'm certainly

Scott Benner 58:06
not trying to talk you out of it. I'm just I, you know, I think it's first of all, it's a personal choice. And, and, you know, it sounds like yours is well thought out as anyone elses. I just, you know, I'm wondering, I can't wait to find out what happens. I hope it's all great. I want to get back to life. You know, what I mean? Like, I'm not looking to stay in my house. And, and, and do all this forever. So if, you know, if there's a path back, I'd like to be on it. That's for certain. Yeah. You know? And I don't know, like, do you think you'd give him a vaccine if one came out? Or do you think you would take it yourself? Or

Kristin 58:44
so being a teacher? I've been told that I'm, I'm not an essential worker, but I am because I'm, you know,

Scott Benner 58:52
wait a second, teachers aren't essential workers.

Kristin 58:55
Were not the nurse, if you want to call it like nurses kind

Scott Benner 58:59
of thing. We're not that kind of seeing what the problem is.

Kristin 59:03
But we are essential workers in schools. I mean, where it's kind of hard to fill the spot if people are sick.

Scott Benner 59:09
Yeah, we know the guy that drives my garbage truck is an essential worker in that garbage truck. And I think in life, like I think everybody's essential at their job, which is it's such an I understand the difference. I just I was what I was wondering was like, Are you really not a designated essential worker? As a teacher?

Kristin 59:26
I do not like, I don't want to comment on snow days. We can put it that way. But I'm in the realm of like vaccines and the first people to get them. Yeah, yes. I think they haven't talked about it yet. It's not like they haven't mentioned here, like everybody will get it if it comes out. But I mean, we're always the first to get flu vaccines, things like that. My husband and I, personally are huge proponents. I'm the type if there was a pill that's going to fix the problem. Where is it? If there's a shot that's going to make me not feel like this, then you know, come on, let's do it. So yeah, we we would I'm also a teacher. So I'm all about learning and trying. And so we definitely have our family lined up. Let's do it. Cool.

Scott Benner 1:00:07
Are there are you hearing about any teachers who fall into categories that may make them susceptible who are skipping, going coming in?

Kristin 1:00:18
So we have some, we have some teachers that are pregnant, but they're in the older grades. So they don't have students right now. So they're just continuing on and they're able to teach from the rooms without still without kids there. We do have older teachers, I think we only have like, four in our district that have actually said like, Hey, I'm not, I'm not going to trust it. Sorry, but I'm out. But I think in that case, it's like I FMLA thing. I'm not sure. Right. Everybody in my school, we're here.

Scott Benner 1:00:48
Ready to go. I you have now absolutely encapsulated my thinking. I'm trying to imagine myself in 11th or 12th. grade, my teacher nine months pregnant, run a zoom call her water breaks. Oh, through zoom, the class coaches are through the birth because the the ambulance can't get to her. This is my this is the scenario I'm making up in my mind. How great would that be? Oh, how great would it be if somebody actually yelled Mrs. Patton's Mrs. Patton, you got to move the camera. We can't see her vagina, right. We don't know what to say. Like, I don't know if the heads out or not. It's breech call your cat you need help. Seriously, there are going to be so many great videos of kids going to school. Online. They're already I don't know if you've already Christian, I'm gonna bleep this out. Okay. But there's, there's a video online. And it's, it's, there's it's a classroom, right? It's like, it's like a high school classroom. And I swear to you, you start hearing, kind of like heavy breathing, and then a little commotion. And a female voice says, Oh, my God, you're so big.

Unknown Speaker 1:02:03
Oh, my

Unknown Speaker 1:02:05
God.

Scott Benner 1:02:07
I believe that out for everybody. And it was I it was absolutely. I'm like, wait, what is this my son's like, you're gonna want to listen to this again. And I'm like, okay. So it's just even in my son's own school. So I know, people aren't making this up. He's in a class. And this very complicated thing is being described. And there's this boy in the class who's not on mute. And he thinks he is. And so that, you know, the professor's like, so Does everyone understand? Oh, and the kid just goes, No, Kathy, actually, I don't understand. I'm completely confused and worried that I've chosen the wrong major. And there's a pause and she goes, john, I don't think your mic is muted. And he just goes, he bought, he almost breaks down, because I'm so sorry. I'm just really stressed out. And I already went into this whole thing. And I was like, these are fascinating. I want all of these videos to be pulled together on one website where I can spend a year of my life watching people say things that they don't realize other people can.

Kristin 1:03:15
What is it like zoom fails? or something? I don't know.

Scott Benner 1:03:17
But I mean, honestly, what are we doing? We shouldn't be filming this. But we shouldn't be doing this podcast, I should be online registering a URL right now. I mean, really, there should be a YouTube just for this. Because this is not gonna stop. And I don't know if you've seen, you haven't seen the other side. But I have, like, I've seen Arden shutter camera off, mute what's going on and start a text chain with the kids in class where they're talking behind the teachers back. So it's and it's just like, Dude, what did she just say? I don't understand. And sometimes it's that easy. Like, it's just the kids talking without, like, you know about the class. But sometimes, you know, teachers or people, and they sometimes do silly stuff, and then the kids are just like it. I don't know, are you gonna allow yourself? You have to you have to be on video as a teacher.

Kristin 1:04:09
So we do, um, we were hoping I mean, us personally as teachers. I mean, since they can't be with us, we would like to have it required where the kids have to be on video because I mean, fourth graders, if they if they lock it out, and they get rid of their script, their video and their audio, like they're in the next room playing fortnight or whatever, they're not sitting there listening.

Scott Benner 1:04:34
Have you seen that guy who figured out how to make a he made a video of himself appearing to listen to a zoom?

Unknown Speaker 1:04:40
And no one's playing

Scott Benner 1:04:41
it in front of the camera like on another device? You can't tell?

Kristin 1:04:45
Oh, God cannot tell. Don't move ideas out like that. Please.

Scott Benner 1:04:50
Do you think these kids need your help with this? They know what they're doing. They know what they're doing. They're making money on Tick Tock. They know how to they know how to manipulate this whole thing. There's kids With careers from little booty dances, he understands they don't they don't need me to figure this is anything I can figure out. They figured out three months ago.

Unknown Speaker 1:05:10
But no, so yeah.

Scott Benner 1:05:12
Sorry, I was gonna say Do you have any, like concerned about kids recording you?

Kristin 1:05:17
Um, I will not really, um, I mean, that I don't do anything or say anything that's great enough or dumb enough to afford. I mean, I might like look kind of funny. But we're also in the work setting. So I'm not like at home, you know, rolling out of bed with a cup of coffee in my PJs or anything. I'm at work in my classroom. Like, I've had to get ready for the day. And so hopefully, they see a very, you know, put together teacher sitting at her desk talking to them. You know, the, the what I look like in the spring like the mom rolling out in my leggings and T shirt. There's a homeless lady trying

Scott Benner 1:05:57
to teach us about social studies right now. And she looks like she's about to murder somebody. Yeah, that's how I would look normally. Yeah, but let me help you here if I can a little LED light at just the right angle? Uh huh. washes out all the wrinkles, make sure double chin go away. It's fantastic. Yeah, absolutely have to invest in just a small little light, then you want those kids to click on and be like, you know, our teacher looks like a movie star over there, like, you know, but now I figure there's going to be screen grabs, and they're going to be right on your face with mustaches. And, you know, yeah, I feel like that's what I would be doing, if I was

Kristin 1:06:33
whatever they you know, whatever they do, as long as my thing is as long as they they get?

Yeah, I mean,

Scott Benner 1:06:42
how do you test remotely in a way that makes you feel like they're not cheating.

Kristin 1:06:48
So we actually have some platforms. Google is awesome, because you can do Google forums, and you can have quizzes through there. So it like automatically grades it for you. And then we have a system that we use, called power test. And it's like, you put all these tests, sort of like our sLl is here in Virginia, and you put everything in on there, and the kids log in, and then the kid it automatically grades it shoots out their data to you. And it's but it's like locked out like their screens locked out when they're in it. They can't try to like go on Wikipedia and look up the answer really quick or anything. But at home, we we kind of have a benefit of the doubt or trusting that they're doing what they're supposed to do, and that there's an adult around making sure that they don't have the textbook open while they're doing the test. So but, I mean, you can't be 100% certain, we're just, we're just little by little chugging along, seeing how it'll work.

Scott Benner 1:07:50
No, I hear you. It's it's gonna be interesting. I, I want to be clear, I would cheat my absolute head off if I was in that situation. And I just I remember who I was back then. And I would absolutely cheat like in just in a vicious way. I, I mean, listen, you're doing everything you can obviously everyone's doing everything they can. But this is I have to say, too. I do think that an unintended good thing from kids having text is that when they get home, I see them, like they'll get confused. And they'll start a text chain. They'll be like, Listen, I don't understand your problem number six, and there are some kids who just want the answer. But there's always like, one kid is like, No, you could understand this, I could explain it to you, like children are going to be really good at working in groups. I think it's an unintended unintended, you know, benefit of this kind of concept of them being able to quote unquote, cheap. And it really is interesting like to watch how, how things are changing. And at the same time, they're not as they're not as good as we hope in some places, and they're not as bad as we think in some places, too. It's a really, it really is something else. You know, I have I have a lot of hope so. Oh, there's also a video online by the way. I don't I think it's a South American country. I can't think of where exactly, and they're having like a political meeting of you know, like the people who run the town. And one one lady just rolls out of the shower. And her cameras on and she doesn't realize that Her phone's propped up and she thinks she's listening but it's the videos on and she just butt naked just walks out of the shower. Absolutely fantastic. I just I'm telling you like this is this is the year of videos that you're gonna look at online and go oh my god, this is fascinating. So, but yeah, absolutely great. stuff. Well Listen, good luck, first of all, seriously, in figuring out a pathway. Is there any concern that this doesn't end? Or do you guys feel like in the spring? What's that? What is the long term like outlook for how long you'll be doing? This? I guess, is my question.

Kristin 1:10:18
So our students are locked in for the first semester. So they had to make their decision on hybrid or virtual through the end of January. And so they, what we've been told is that we're going to reassess and they did like parent surveys to figure out what parents were willing to do and wanted to do. And so we were told that they'll do surveys, I guess, right before Christmas, right after something, and they'll see, you know, where the cases have been blown up, and they're crazy now? Or are we at like, 52, compared to 50, or something, where we are now, and they'll go from there. So I have been told that you're gonna have families that can keep virtual the whole time. And then I'm pretty sure if we've gotten into hybrid, and we're actually in school every other day, and our groups flip flopping, then they'll continue that. My hope is, it'd be amazing if this vaccine, you know, a vaccine came out, and everybody starts getting it, and everybody's like, Alright, let's do this school, and everything opens back up. And it's, you know, like Disney World. And magically, everything is just amazing. And we're back and spring is normal. But, um, we just got our time. See?

Scott Benner 1:11:35
No, that's really interesting. I have to say that. I think that all schools and industries, and everyone is doing a reasonable job of being like, Look, we're really hopeful, like we'll see in a week, we'll see in two weeks, we're gonna keep going. Everyone is staying very flexible, which is, which I think is interesting, although I think it doesn't look flexible from the outside, I think sometimes feel like they promised this and they knew they weren't going to do I don't think anybody knows anything. You know, I think whatever they think today very well could be bad information in a week or two. And yeah, you know, I it's ball. Listen, it's obviously socks, and it would be very nice to go back to school and into work into all the other things. So yeah, my fingers crossed. I hope it I hope it goes well. But you know, yeah, yeah. Right. I hope it goes well, for you specifically. And for all of us, actually. Is there anything we didn't say that you were hoping to talk about? I took you on, like a very twisty windy road. But I actually feel like we got everything out that you that you were hoping to talk about. But am I wrong?

Kristin 1:12:42
Oh, no, um, I think the biggest thing that I wish that parents out there, I'm on a lot of parent boards on Facebook, and all the parents are like, what are you doing with your kid and your kid going to school and all these parents are, you know, like, no, my child's not going to school, and you know, this disease is bad enough. And they everything is blamed on diabetes. And I feel like when you start doing that, you're the kid kind of feels like, well, we couldn't go on vacation because of my diabetes, or, you know, we couldn't have cake at grandma's birthday. Because my diabetes, like parents got to remember their their kid, there is a child first. And you don't always have to involve, you know, kids or kids. And you don't always have to let them be privy to adult discussions. And so if you decide as a family, hey, we're not going to go to school, we're going to do virtual, then don't just say, Well, you know, because little Johnny's got diabetes, and even though he's well managed, and he, you know, been sick twice in his life, he's not going to go. Don't always try to you kind of make the kid feel like they're at blame. Yeah. If you're not careful.

Scott Benner 1:13:57
So your point, your point is, is that do whatever you're gonna do, but whether it's around Corona or anything else, don't turn to you don't turn to your kid and go, Well, you know, we saved up we were gonna go to Turks and Caicos but we don't know how to keep your insulin cool. So we can't go like it's you know, like, don't get don't put it on that even if that is your reason, although that'd be a strange reason, because there's a lot of easy ways to keep insulin cool. But, but, but even if that is your reason, don't let the kids think that's the reason and and and kind of be cool about it. You got to be an adult in those scenarios. I'll tell you. It's funny because as you're talking, I'm making your point just now. I think that the one caveat for me, that's, that's bigger. Like I think it fits in All of the explanations you use. And and I can see where it doesn't fit in the in the COVID explanation because there really is. There is an unknown that you're just not like you live in a place where you said like you said there's like 50 cases, but I live in a place where There were a lot of cases. And and you know, there are people who were in New York City or Florida or other places where, you know, California still getting over run, I think whether it's a situation is different. So it's situational to, and, and I think nobody, what you're seeing online with people just like what are you doing, they're just dying for someone to give them some direction. You know, like anybody just say something that that I can that I can believe in and and, you know, kind of hook my wagon to. And I think I honestly believe that there's no, there's no way to know how this is gonna go this could end up being nothing for somebody and you know, and it could end up being the end of someone's life and and then you get caught in that weird conversation where if you know, how many kids dying is okay with us like that, that you know, like in and, you know, where's the line? Like, where do you draw a line who gets to draw the line? And so I think that's why it's America and you get to decide, you know, so it's a there's personal freedom. And, you know, if you're not if, if your personal freedom is not completely, you know, is not hurting someone else, then you're good. But you know, whether it's Corona or anything else. Your personal freedom doesn't get to outweigh my personal freedom, I guess is the it's is the way I think about all the time aside of this as well, just, you know, I have free speech, but you can't yell something that, you know, you know, the old adage can't yell fire in a theater and then I get trampled. That's, that's not free speech. Yeah, that that's just not nice. So be nice. Just be nice. There. It is, it's a weird thing to feel like you're protecting someone else. Like that's not a position we find ourselves in very often, like I'm wearing a mask, so you don't get sick. Not so I don't like as much it's a I think that's a an easy idea for people to wrap their heads around in some. And for some people, it's just not we were somewhere recently in a store. And there were 30 people in this kind of large warehouse space. It's you know, nobody was anywhere near each other. Everyone had a mask on with the exception of this one person who had the mask, but just was wearing it around his neck. And it It wasn't by mistake he didn't forget. Like he walked in as soon as he got past the people who were running the store. he purposely pulled this mask down over his neck. I don't know the guy said it, you know, situation. But it started to feel like, go ahead. Somebody say something to me. I dare you. They started having that vibe about it. I'm like, I was finding myself thinking like, Look, man. I don't know. I mean, I don't know how much this mask is helping anybody or not helping anybody. But just what are you doing? Like, why are you making everybody It was almost like he walked in with a zipper down and was just like I had someone say something to me about it. I dare you to and it was it was very strange. And he was just it was a weird feeling to be around. And I don't even know how to put it into context for our conversation honestly, other than it just felt strange. And I don't know, I don't know if he's right, or I'm right. Or, you know, it. Could we all have been in there without a mask? I don't think so. But I don't know. And I don't know how long this is gonna last either. I think that say like, we put a lot of arbitrary stops on things like it'll be right by this fall. It'll be alright, by the summer, it'll be alright. But the spring like, it gets all right, when it's all right. And, you know, I agree. I don't know what the hell that is. whole thing's confusing, is gonna curse. Really? So do you think my last question, I'll let you go? Do you think that kids are going to come out of this year of school? With the same level of understanding that they would have if they were in person? Is there a way to do that?

Kristin 1:18:56
Um, I think it depends on the kid. There are kids learn all sorts of different ways. And some kids, you know, they, they walk by a book, and they learn everything that's in it. I mean, you're gonna have the kids that are really into the virtual and that's just where they shine. And they, you know, they little sponges, and they soak it all up. You have kids that are in the classroom, we're going a lot slower, our pace has to be slower because it's we're trying to keep pace between virtual and our, you know, in class at the same time. And you year, it just, I think the big thing is, is there I heard somebody talked about it, it's like, everybody's trying to say, you know, all these kids are, you know, they're not going to know everything. Well guess what? Everybody's going to be in that boat. It's, it's not like if you're one kid who worked out in the fields for a year and didn't go to school at all, and everybody else went to school. Now they're behind. It's not like that. Everybody's in the same boat, unless you're homeschooling. And that's you You know, you're doing your own thing. So all the kids are on the same, the same kind of playing field. And they, we just got to trust that they have parents at home that are willing to support them if they're virtual and hanging out, and that they're making sure they do their work and listen and not text in with a group of friends while the teachers talking. And then you're going to have kids that in the classroom that are doing awesome, because they're glad to be in school, and they're able to interact with the teacher, even if they have stay six feet apart. And that they're just happy to be here, though. They'll soak up anything. And they want to listen to anything that the teacher says, because it's a different adult than, you know, mom and dad that they've seen all all summer. And so everybody's everybody's in the same boat right now. Yes,

Scott Benner 1:20:50
that idea of incremental growth. He was what I took from what you just said, is really interesting. Like there's, I think, I think it's easy to feel like there's a grouping of information I learned in fifth grade and a grouping of information. I live in sixth grade. And if I if I miss one of them, I fallen behind and, and now Oh gosh, like it reminds me of like preschool is a great example. Like, you know, at some point, it became okay to learn how to read in kindergarten, you know, but, but at some point, people are like, well, I could probably teach my kid when they're four to read. And then the first four year old who knew how to read made everybody else go, Oh, my God, I gotta get my kid to learn how to read by the time he's four, because it'll be behind like, as if that would make a difference. And I guess this really is the same idea. Like we're like, you know, everybody's going through the same thing. There are going to be some people who shine and some people who would have shined who might not and vice versa. But that's just natural selection for the moment. Really? That's so interesting to think of it that way. See, I was

Kristin 1:21:53
way outside of this, too. Yeah.

Scott Benner 1:21:55
Yes. Some people are surging, I'll tell you seriously. This podcast is a great example of that. In February, February, let me take a look real quick, I'll make the point to you. So I have to pull it up real fast.

Unknown Speaker 1:22:16
In

Scott Benner 1:22:18
I can look at the whole year real quick, just to look. So I run the numbers for the year and then look at it by the month, right. So as January started, I had the best month I ever had. And in February, it did better. And in March, it did better still. And I was like, Ooh, I'm experiencing some growth, then Corona. And April dropped down, like something like I think was 14% at the time, like total downloads. And I was like, oh god like is that if the podcast not work anymore? You don't even like like, like what's going on? And and then I saw some reporting from from reputable podcast hosting that said that podcast listening was down almost like 18%, I think. And I thought, Oh, well, at least I'm not 18% you know. And then the next month, it was right back to where it was in March. And then the growth continued June, July, August. And I thought, Okay, this is cool. But then I checked back in with the, you know, the people who keep track of stuff like this. And a lot of podcasts are still really faltering and they're failing. And so even that's random, like, my topic, apparently, is something people are still willing to listen to, even though life has changed. But there were other topics where people were like, no, I only listened to that when I commute, or I only listened to that. And they just stopped. It just it's not for them. And so some people grow and some people don't. And just I guess it's not something you can really control. Like, it's just there's going to be some luck of the draw in this.

Unknown Speaker 1:23:49
Interesting, huh?

Scott Benner 1:23:52
All right, there's a lot to consider here, Kristen. We're not going to fix the world today. I appreciate you coming on and telling Caleb's story and, and and sharing how you handled you know, preschool and and I love it. Like it's just I love that interaction. The one thing I didn't ask you was, have you seen a decrease in a one seeing an increase in stability over the couple of years?

Kristin 1:24:17
We're getting there. Yeah. His his body you know, diabetes, yay. Those for a loop every once in a while and he'll have it just depends on how active he is we're finding out okay, if he's active, his numbers seem to be great. And his ratios really good. And he has this good flatline. And then if he has days where he's like vegging out on the couch or just, you know, kind of hanging out, then he'll be higher. And so we're we're still just trying to get that figured out. We're really hoping that just him being in the school environment and and up and active and doing things will that his ratios and his bazel rates and stuff are perfect for that country. Today

Scott Benner 1:25:00
Yeah, no, I, I had the same thing when Arden stopped going into school. I her insulin needs changed pretty drastically in different ways than you're describing. But yeah, yeah, it's interesting, like, you almost need a sitting around basal rate and up and moving base or you know,

Kristin 1:25:18
and we have that we have weekend versus weekday and we've found his, his body is kind of different, like he doesn't really drop while he's active, like if he's running out at the beach or something, he's fine. It's like the hours after is where he'll start to drop, and we have to change his we have to decreases bazel after the activity. And I know some kids like during the activity or something but or for him. We've had days where if he's really active One day, the next day, his numbers will be lower. And it's like his body's just got to have a chance to catch up.

Scott Benner 1:25:54
Have you have you know, tried taking bazel away prior to activity and getting into what I guess some people would call like a neutral? Like no bazel during the activity situation. Have you messed with that at all? It's hard. I know, because the activity sometimes does not present itself as like, we're gonna be active in an hour,

Unknown Speaker 1:26:15
you know? Yeah.

Kristin 1:26:18
Yeah, for example, like we would have, wow, that's a cool days and just hanging out in the backyard, and my kids are playing this little kiddie pool and they go crazy for like two hours. And I would have days where I would try to get as bazel down before he started, I really would never take it away. I would just decrease it quite a bit. And still, he would either ride high afterward and his body like Haha, yeah, right. You know, you felt you're doing something right. And then we would have days where he I would not mess that at all and see what happens. And then all of a sudden, we're like, Don't juice boxes at him three hours after he got out of the pool or? Yeah. So he, his I don't know his body is it's like it's on a lag. Sometimes.

Scott Benner 1:27:06
Yeah, almost sounds like in that scenario, you need to have like a much lower basal rate, like as the activity ends into the many hours afterwards. That's interesting. Yeah. Well, good luck. I hope you figure it out. That is, but does not sound like fun at all. In any way, just so in case you're wondering, nothing fun about what you just said. I really do appreciate you doing this. I really want to wish Kristen Good luck as she heads back to school. And for all of us. Honestly, I hope that whatever you're doing or have to do or need to do is safe for you. And something that you're comfortable with. I realized it's a really difficult time. And it's genuinely hard to know what the right thing to do is so good luck to everybody. Thanks so much on the pod index comm for sponsoring this episode of the podcast. Please go to my Omni pod.com Ford slash juice box, and dexcom.com Ford slash juicebox. To learn more about those sponsors. And of course, T one d exchange.org. forward slash fusebox. Oh, geez, I almost forgot you wanna hear something bizarre. So I just put up the episode how to eat vegan cat with Jordan. If you haven't heard it. It's fun. And later that night, like the same day, I put it up right later that night, I get a notification from the website. I used to run my giveaways. And they're like, Hey, your giveaways over choose a winner. So I'm like, All right. So I go to the website, and I take my mouse and I click and I say hey, pick a winner. And it goes blue does it ever does. And boom. You know who wins? Jordan? Isn't that not crazy? Here's why. I recorded that episode with Jordan six months ago. Put the episode up with her that day. The giveaway ends the magic machine picked Jordans name. Crazy is what it is. blew my mind. I was like I just sat here I was like what mysticism is this? Anyway, Jordan God, what did Jordan get? I might forget what Jordan Jordan got a sweatshirt from the podcast the know the signs sweatshirt when it's got the list of you know all the signs of symptoms with Type One Diabetes on the back. She got a bunch of Dexcom swag, a bunch of Omni pod swag. A really cool Dexcom t shirt was in there and on the pod shirt that I think for dash like a pretty read artist has a very soft she has one. She got a bunch of stuff from touched by type one. They're gonna be sending her stuff. Lily's chocolate gift pack, and I understand Jordan, that lilies might have put a little extra chocolate and that gift back. So look for that coming up. Jordan one, a 30 minute consultation with Jenny Smith. And I mean, just the, you know, just the good feeling of winning I guess she got to. Anyway, thanks to everyone almost 3000 entries. Thanks to everyone for helping me to celebrate the 2 million download of the Juicebox Podcast. I don't know what we'll do with 3 million. But if what I'm seeing is any indication, we won't have to wait a year to find out. Which I guess really should make me say thank you so much for sharing the podcast with people because it is growing exponentially. And I have all of you to thank for that. Every time you share the podcast on Instagram or Facebook or tell a friend about it, the show just gains more and more listeners and people seem to enjoy it and they stick around and listen, so I really appreciate it. Thank you so much. I can't I don't know what else to say other than Thank you, but 2 million is crazy. Can't wait to get the 5 million, 5 million. I think we can get the 5 million pretty easy. Let's see if we can't do that. I'm betting weekend.

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Scott Benner 0:00
Hello, everyone, and welcome to Episode 373 of the Juicebox Podcast. You may disagree, and you can let me know if you do. But for my money, this is the best episode of the podcast that I've ever recorded, and it gave me a great idea. I'll tell you more in a second. Please remember that nothing you hear on the Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice, medical or otherwise, always consult a physician before making changes to your health care plan. On today's show, I'll be speaking with Jordan, she's a type one who originally wanted to come on the show to talk about how she

Unknown Speaker 0:35
eats.

Scott Benner 0:38
But through some confusion, I didn't do the recording the first time and it just it was a mess sock spending theme in the episode. Anyway, Jordan gets on. And she was nervous. So I was trying to make her feel not nervous. And I by mistake, I think I recorded what it might be very well the funniest episode of this podcast ever. But we then eventually do get to how Jordan eats. And later I found myself thinking, I'd like to know how everyone eats. So this is the first in a series called how we eat. This one's not really an official how we eat, because it will you'll see it goes in a lot of directions. But future how we eat will be more focused on different people's diets. Jordan happens to be a vegan. And that's why this episode is called how we eat vegan cat. Well, that's not completely why it's called that. But you'll see this episode of The Juicebox Podcast is sponsored by the Contour Next One blood glucose meter and touched by type one, you can go to touched by type one.org to find out about all the wonderful things they're doing for people living with Type One Diabetes touched by type one.org. And the Contour Next One blood glucose meter is my daughter's meter. It is a fantastic meter. It is the gold standard in meters. It has amazing test strips that you can like, you know, touch blood, get it wrong, go back and touch it again without wasting the test strip and still get an accurate reading. It's small and easy to hold and has a beautiful bright light for those nighttime blood sugar checks. And in general, I just really love it. Contour Next one.com forward slash juice box. Go check it out. I'm going to tell you two things. And then we'll get started. Okay. Okay. The first thing is after I ghosted you last time we were supposed to do this. I thought I wonder if she'll do it back to me just to be funny.

Jordan 2:54
The thought crossed my mind. But

Scott Benner 2:56
so that's what did it actually did you think I'm gonna do it back to him?

Jordan 3:00
No.

Unknown Speaker 3:02
Well, I thought

Jordan 3:05
last night when I was driving home, I remembered that I had this today. And I was like, Oh, I wonder what would happen if I just had forgotten.

Scott Benner 3:14
But what would I have said Really? I mean, there wouldn't have been anything I could do. Right? So are we gonna say your name? Yeah. Okay. So Jordan. Jordan was supposed to be on the show, you know, a couple weeks ago. And I, we can't but was it it was a holiday right was Martin Luther King Day? Yeah. So that day threw me off. And I just was a day behind in my head. So while Jordan was up, I'm guessing pretty early in the morning. Where are you at? Washington State. So it's nine o'clock here right now. It's six where you are? Yes. So while Jordan was up very early in the morning to record a podcast, I was cleaning my house and doing laundry. Completely able to record a podcast if I wanted to just there was no reason to because I thought it was a different day that it was. So when she was logging on this morning. I thought wow, what a nice person she actually is here. very well may have just been like ups. Now, here's the second thing. It's all gonna make you feel worthwhile.

Unknown Speaker 4:21
What?

Scott Benner 4:21
During the time you were supposed to record I had a piece of software do an automatic update that I didn't realize it did. And it changed a setting like deep down setting that you would not have noticed on top okay. Because of that. I recorded three episodes that were not usable.

Unknown Speaker 4:46
Oh, no.

Scott Benner 4:48
And had I not ghosted you by mistake. You would have been the fourth.

Jordan 4:54
Well, it all worked out. I guess. That's how I'm trying to look at this.

Scott Benner 4:59
Now We can get rolling and then you have to go off to your job where you let me think I remember because here's the funny thing after this happened, I just I was like Jordan call me so he must have spent like 20 minutes on the phone with me just like very ham fisted Lee trying to make you laugh and apologizing. I just was like, let me give her something for the day. I probably just wasted your time. You're like, yeah, wish you could have just left me alone, but I don't know what happened. How did you feel after I? Okay, well, anyway, let's start with this. What's your name?

Jordan 5:28
My name is Jordan. Do you

Scott Benner 5:31
have diabetes? Jordan?

Jordan 5:32
I do. Yes.

Scott Benner 5:34
And did I leave you hanging to record the podcast on your birthday?

Unknown Speaker 5:38
You absolutely did. I won't. Wouldn't you have been on the day? We were recording?

Jordan 5:43
26

Scott Benner 5:44
Happy birthday. Thank you very well. Okay. How old were you when you're diagnosed? I was

Jordan 5:51
eight.

Scott Benner 5:52
Okay. I got some quick math going. I feel what is going on here. Mother. I know what this is. wife's at home working? Oh, it's not my. My quick master. That was 18 years ago. But then I had to check myself 1922 and I'm right on.

Jordan 6:12
Here. It'll be teen years in August.

Scott Benner 6:15
Do you think like your diabetes as an adult now? Maybe it'll go off on its own and take care of itself?

Jordan 6:19
Maybe I'm excited for it to turn 21. So I can take it out for a beer and have a little chat?

Scott Benner 6:25
What will you tell it when you take it out for that beer?

Jordan 6:29
Well, we'll reminisce a little bit on some good and bad times. But Alright, let's just talk about things.

Scott Benner 6:36
I think that's fair. Why don't we practice? Wait, first of all, are you on for any reason? Is there something you want to say?

Jordan 6:45
Eventually, maybe we'll talk about that diet a little bit. Ah, gosh, I'm kind of and open to talk about whatever. Alright, well,

Scott Benner 6:53
let's do this. Since we hadn't planned for it. If your diabetes was a person, what would you sit down and tell it?

Unknown Speaker 7:02
Did it ruin your childhood? Did it

Scott Benner 7:04
drive away a potential dating prospect? Has it made your room smell weird? But is it done?

Jordan 7:12
it? Honestly I think it's kind of made me who I am today. I I I don't know my life without diabetes. But I feel like I'm more health conscious. And just

I don't know, the person I am. Because of it.

Scott Benner 7:29
It helped to shape you. Yeah, in good ways, bad ways or in a collection of ways.

Jordan 7:35
Probably both.

Scott Benner 7:38
Has anything good and bad? Well, we'll start with a good because you're a positive person. And you're in that upper Midwest, Upper West Coast kind of an area. So I'm thinking I mean, I'd six in the morning, but you're high as a kite right now. Is that right? Jordan? You've been smoking for 1020 hours at this point. Is that right?

Jordan 7:58
Well think that Yeah,

Scott Benner 8:00
you don't you don't have to lie, Jordan. I'm trying to point out to people that you're like, one of the nicer people I've ever met. I don't imagine that's true of you. Not that you couldn't be a nice person and be completely blazed. I'm just saying that I don't think you are. And you're not right. What's this? What's the riskiest thing you've done in your entire life?

Jordan 8:21
riskiest, yeah,

Unknown Speaker 8:22
like something with no idea.

Jordan 8:26
I'm pretty boring.

Scott Benner 8:28
Probably don't admit that upfront in the podcast. Okay. Because people are be like, well, Jordan said she was boring. So I just like I bailed after a couple of minutes.

Jordan 8:36
Not listening anymore. Up gave up already.

Scott Benner 8:42
Looks like I'm talking to Arden about how to Bolus for a muffin. 40 more.

Unknown Speaker 8:51
There. Sorry.

Scott Benner 8:54
She doesn't feel well today. She's got like a, there's like sort of, I don't know about like six o'clock last night. And she suddenly like for a half a second like spiked like this tiny little fever like 99 for like, is that right? 99 is a fever. Do I mean nine? I think that's what I mean. She had a tiny feet, which is like up one point. And and then she's just as like, My throat is scratchy. And and we were like, Alright, and we let her sleep like we let her lay in our bed last night to try to get comfortable. And then she fell asleep. And I said to Kelly I'm like, how are we going to get her out of here? Jake we couldn't wake her up. She's like a lead weight at this point. She's like a real person. Now you know what I mean? So like, like we could wake up I'm like, okay, so I spent my evening overnight sleeping in the eight and a half inches between the edge of the bed and that and on my side. And then Kelly did the same thing while Arden was like all spread out in the middle of

Jordan 9:52
it bring back some memories

Scott Benner 9:54
brought back memories of my back not feeling well. And so. So she gets up in the morning. She's like, I've got to go School. She's such an oddly, she's an interesting person when it comes to school because that happened to me as a child, I would have just said, Well, this is an obviously appropriate reason for me not to go to school today. Kelly would have gone to school. If you know somebody had recently shot an arrow into her skull, and she was still functioning and Arden's like a weird mix between the two Arden toxic a game about not caring about school. But then everything she does indicates that she cares about it a lot. It's a it's it's interesting. She's got my like, she's got the way I talk about it and the way Kelly feels about it. It's very interesting because they don't go together in any way.

Jordan 10:41
Yeah,

Scott Benner 10:42
imagine the person ranting and raving that they hate bologna sandwiches while they have a bologna sandwich in each hand and are eating it voraciously. That's are they talking about? Alright, have I loosened you up yet? Are you nervous? What's going on here?

Jordan 10:56
I'm a little nervous, but I'll get over it. Okay,

Scott Benner 10:58
so let's we'll let's talk about that for a second. Are you just nervous about this specifically? Or would you be nervous in any scenario like this?

Jordan 11:07
Any scenario? Okay.

Scott Benner 11:09
All right. So let's find out a little more about yourself. Then, when you were diagnosed at what I'm calling eight years old, whether it's true or not. Let's just go with it. Were your parents coupled in a traditional way

Unknown Speaker 11:19
at that moment? Yes. Did

Scott Benner 11:22
the did your care fall to one of them or to you? Or was it a group effort?

Jordan 11:27
And it was a group effort. My dad worked and my mom was at home more. So she did more the immediate caretaking, but my dad would take me to a lot of my appointments and stuff. But I pretty early on, I decided that I wanted to start doing my own injections. And I think it was only like, maybe six months in before I was like, Okay, I want to do this on my own. Cool. And and you started with injections.

Scott Benner 11:55
Yes. How long did you do MDI?

Jordan 11:59
until I was

12? I think I was in middle school. Before I decided I wanted a pump

Scott Benner 12:07
kind of pump. So what kind of pump was available then? Which ones were on the market? Do you remember which ones you joined up with?

Jordan 12:15
I had the Animus

Unknown Speaker 12:17
the ping?

Scott Benner 12:19
Is that right? It was called the Animus ping?

Jordan 12:21
I don't think it was the ping back then. No, not even the packet? No, I think it was before that.

Scott Benner 12:27
Any chance they call it the Pong? Probably not right. It's so what made you want to go to a pump back then.

Jordan 12:36
I think

just hearing about it. And people kept saying it was the way to go. And the best way to manage so I decided to give it a try. But leading up to that I was like, I don't want anything on my body. I don't want to deal with that. So, um,

Scott Benner 12:52
as Jerry Seinfeld would say, Who are these people? Were they teachers, other people you knew had type one your doctors who was kind of directing you,

Jordan 13:02
doctors and my parents a little bit. I know they wanted me to just kind of do what I wanted to do and was comfortable doing but deep down, they knew that I would be better with a pump.

Scott Benner 13:14
That's a parenting secret for anybody who is younger, doesn't have kids yet you know exactly what you need your kids to do. And then you some people act like it's up to them. And then they behind the scenes are puppet mastering everything. And some people just come out and say it and some people just hope that the kids figure it out. But you figured it out. So that's actually or like not that not to say that a pump is a necessary thing. Just that it came to you that you would like to do it. Are you wearing a glucose monitor right now?

Jordan 13:44
I am Yes. Which do you have? The dexcom?

Scott Benner 13:48
Is it the G six? It is? Is it the one that's available@dexcom.com forward slash Juicebox. Podcast? I just say about No, I'm just kidding. So when did you go to a glucose monitor?

Jordan 14:02
Oh, man, I have had one off and on but really consistently for the last like year and a half.

Scott Benner 14:08
Okay, so did you start with the G for the G five?

Jordan 14:13
thing think? Yeah, I started with the chief for that at one point. I had a Medtronic pump. So I had that GM

Scott Benner 14:22
is that when you get a Medtronic pump they kind of I don't want to say force but they force their CGM audio, right. Like it's

Jordan 14:29
Yeah,

Scott Benner 14:30
it's like here. It's a package ticket like that. Okay, so but you went to, uh, how long were you with Medtronic?

Jordan 14:41
Three or four years? I've been all over the place. I've also had Omni pod. Look at

Scott Benner 14:45
you for a shy person. You're not that shy about things are you know, so you've used every conceivable insulin pump. Which one are you using right now?

Jordan 14:54
I'm not using one right now.

Unknown Speaker 14:57
I don't know why I asked. I should have just assumed that. All right.

Scott Benner 15:01
What was your favorite pump that used?

Jordan 15:05
Probably, honestly, Medtronic, okay, because I didn't have the best experience with Omni pod. Okay? It was like five or six years ago, and it just kept alarming on me. It was in malfunctioning, so I got off of it when you're

Unknown Speaker 15:24
getting like occlusions

Jordan 15:27
Yeah, I would just I would put one on and like, within a few hours, it would start alarming, and it was just on my abdomen. So it wasn't even like I was putting it in weird places. So I was in college at the time, and I got to the point where I just get so anxious about it going to class or something that it would start alarming and middle class and I would thought it was gonna have to change it and, and so listen, and want to be stuck without insulin

Scott Benner 15:54
course. And then so those are the Medtronic, just soldiered on for you.

Jordan 16:00
Yeah, it just worked and was pretty much hassle free.

Scott Benner 16:05
And then, but now you're not using a pump at all? What led you back to MDI

Jordan 16:12
and just being annoyed having something on me? So I pretty much came full circle.

Scott Benner 16:20
Jordan, Are you married?

Jordan 16:21
Hey, poor guy.

Scott Benner 16:22
I see what's happening here.

Jordan 16:26
Yeah, he's a trooper. Yeah,

Unknown Speaker 16:27
I would imagine this.

Scott Benner 16:32
Has the word fickle ever been used about you in your presence?

Jordan 16:37
Not that I know. No. So you don't like maybe behind my back, Jordan, tell me

Scott Benner 16:41
why it is. You're 26. But you're talking about life like you're 53.

Jordan 16:48
Maybe diabetes maybe grew up fast.

Scott Benner 16:52
But no, seriously, you're just very like measured. And you're like, I tried that. I didn't like it. I tried that. It gave me a problem. This one didn't give me a problem. But I'm not using it anymore. Anyway. And you just you're rolling through things, are you? So you, you know, we talked earlier about for a brief second about Arden being inconsistent with how she does things, but you are too. You're like, like, on your face. You're like I'm you know, I'm kind of quiet and a little shy. And everything except you're not shy about switching pumps or the ways you get insulin, or jumping around from your cgms. Do you see that? These two things seem incongruent.

Jordan 17:33
Yeah, I guess, okay. I'm also here to talk about that stuff. I don't just like bring it up with strangers and start talking about it. Know,

Scott Benner 17:41
when that'd be something I didn't think you did. But no, I meant like just just that you're, maybe I'm wrong. But when I think of someone who's sort of quiet reserved, I think of them as getting something it works. And they just stick with it. And, and they're trying to keep things simple, and from being a problem. And maybe that's me projecting. And also, not being a quiet person. I'm guessing a little bit too, but it just it struck me as it's like when I'm interviewing people, there's a little voice in the back of my head that kind of knows where things are going. Don't me like people don't surprise me that often when they speak. And and but it's only because I've been doing this for a while but you have never so far in 17 minutes. You haven't said one thing after another thing that I was like, I knew she was gonna say that. So

Jordan 18:31
I was trying to keep it interesting.

Scott Benner 18:33
I fit part of me feels like you're lying. Just Just like to think of what I feel like. And I'm going to say the opposite. And then I'll go back to me and then I'll but I know you're not but it's just very Okay, so how long

Jordan 18:45
you've been married? Three years. Interesting. Now.

Scott Benner 18:51
College person yourself. You said yes. Right. Yes. And you have a degree and I know you're out in the world doing something. Do you talk about what you do? Or is that something you're keeping private?

Jordan 18:59
Yeah, I can talk about it.

I work in cardiac and pulmonary rehab.

Scott Benner 19:05
So you force unhealthy people to run on a treadmill. Is that right? Jordan?

Jordan 19:10
Yes.

Scott Benner 19:12
Yes, you're a sadist?

Jordan 19:14
I don't make them come from. What

Scott Benner 19:16
do they do they just kind of hop up go for a little walk. You walk and you do what?

Jordan 19:21
Help them? Well, I prescribe exercise intensities, basically. So we'll do the treadmill or seated machines and some strength training. You

Scott Benner 19:32
ever go too far and kill one of them? Just tell you don't have to say but just tap on the microphone once if it's happened. No, I haven't. You have not excellent Good for you, by the way and if you have good for you not admitting it. So you're just Are you trying to get people back? I guess some people back to healthy some people. You're just trying to find a, I guess a balance of life style for them. And they're all they're all rehabbing from some sort of a heart issue.

Jordan 20:00
In cardiac rehab they are and just giving them lifestyle changes they can make to decrease the risk of furthering their heart disease. And then for pulmonary rehab, it's just disease management and trying to help them breathe a little bit easier. How do

Scott Benner 20:21
you find that work? Do you enjoy it?

Jordan 20:23
I do. Yeah. Built a lot of relationships through it. Nice.

Scott Benner 20:27
What did you take in college that led you to this?

Jordan 20:30
my undergrad degree is in kinesiology. Just basically just movement of the body. And then my graduate degree is in clinical exercise physiology.

Scott Benner 20:44
No kidding. This pay pretty well. This is why this guy latched on to you at an early age.

Jordan 20:51
He's not at

Scott Benner 20:52
home play video games while you're helping people or is he

Jordan 20:55
know he is in school right now himself?

Scott Benner 20:58
getting a good degree, I'd like to see a little equal share of the burden coming up, you know, yeah,

Jordan 21:03
yeah. Oh, yeah.

Scott Benner 21:04
How long are you gonna let this go until he's, you know, pulling his own weight?

Jordan 21:09
Oh, well, we got four years of school left. So

Scott Benner 21:11
four years, becoming a lawyer, Doctor.

Jordan 21:18
Doctor of naturopathic medicine.

Scott Benner 21:22
Not that I don't find that interesting. But I just realized that there should be a Netflix comedy called lawyer doctor.

Unknown Speaker 21:29
During the day,

Scott Benner 21:30
yeah. Right. And he does. So while he's fixing you, he's also setting up a lawsuit against himself. Right? On the weekends, he's a volunteer fireman. What do you think of this?

Jordan 21:43
It could work. But

Scott Benner 21:45
You're damn right. It could. I think it's a limited run situation, though. I think maybe after four hours, you would get tired of it. But I think for a couple of hours, it would be right there. If that ever comes up on any television show. I'm using this recording as a reason to sue somebody.

Jordan 22:02
You can ask the lawyer doctor to help you. I couldn't

Scott Benner 22:05
be either of those things. The idea of going to school for that long baffles my mind. But I do know my wife right now, if I said to her, hey, we've got all the money in the world. You don't have to work anymore. she'd take a day and a half off. And then she find some degree to go get. She would love to go she loves being in school. It's very strange. Did you enjoy it? Does your husband let's call them making air quotes because I think he might just be a squatter. But is your Does your husband enjoy it? Oh,

Jordan 22:34
he does. Yeah, he's a good student.

Scott Benner 22:37
Alright, so are you guys. Do you like that part of the country? You think you'll stay there?

Jordan 22:41
Yeah, definitely.

Scott Benner 22:43
I think you there's probably only a few places where an energy as laid back as yours, Jordan Bulwark. I feel like have you ever been to like a place that's moving like 1000 miles an hour? Like you've ever driven on the highway in Los Angeles or walked across? Yeah, you're

Jordan 22:57
terrifying. It's kind of cool. Cuz everyone's got it's bumper to bumper traffic, but everyone's going like 80 miles an hour.

Scott Benner 23:05
Makes you feel like you're in a NASCAR race. Yeah, you're like, I wonder which one of these people

Unknown Speaker 23:09
is gonna stop?

Scott Benner 23:13
Now, when that happens, do you get a little excited? Like, like, what happens to you when you get flipped out? Is it just this measure Jordan that I'm talking to you now? Or do you have like another gear?

Jordan 23:28
I get excited. But not. I don't start screaming or like it.

Scott Benner 23:34
I wish you guys hear anything. I wish everyone listening could see. Like, I can see a picture of Jordan right here. And Jordan, you're a beautiful person, you know, way does your picture match your like your speech pattern? I don't know another way to put it. Like, it's just very interesting. I don't know. I don't even know how to explain it to anybody. Just the person I'm looking at. It's not the person I'm talking to in my mind. Were you always a quiet child?

Jordan 24:04
I think so. I'm the youngest. So

Scott Benner 24:07
Oh, you were just lucky to be alive.

Jordan 24:10
I see. No, my parents paid a lot of attention to me because of diabetes.

Scott Benner 24:17
Okay, so all right. Let's dig in here a little bit. Maybe we'll find it here. psychologically. Do you think that's the only reason your parents paid attention to? Yeah, no. So you think they love you for other reasons? Absolutely. Are there any of those other reasons that you're the best of the siblings?

Jordan 24:35
I wouldn't say Oh, do you

Scott Benner 24:36
remember when a girl came on and did say that? How much fun that was? Do you have any idea how many emails I got?

Jordan 24:42
I do remember that. For any of the emails from her siblings?

Scott Benner 24:46
No. Although that would have been terrific. They were just one other people like Yo, I love that girl when she said that she was the best kid. Anyway, how many siblings do you have? So there's three of you total. Yes, my math is late today. I don't know if you've noticed or not. I have had plenty of sleep plenty of sleep. Although my sleep was on eight inches of a mattress, I still did get my hours. And two, how much older Are they the new?

Jordan 25:17
My brother is about a little less than a year and a half older. And my sister is nine years older than me.

Scott Benner 25:23
Oh, there's a story here.

Jordan 25:26
She's, she's my half sister, but we grew up together. So

Scott Benner 25:30
they would find her on the street. One of them made them now let's guess. half sister dad side. Yes. Mm hmm. See how I know people?

Unknown Speaker 25:39
It's okay.

Scott Benner 25:41
All right. So

Jordan 25:42
the only predictable thing you'll

Scott Benner 25:45
feel naturally I forgotten one thing, right yet. I'm just like, Alright, so, dad, your dad made a baby with some lady. And then we don't know what happened to her. It's not important. And then he bumped into your mom, I'm gonna say the disk attack in the 60s. Right. Right. And then they became fast friends, because of their love of Molly. And then they got married. And then they wait a minute, how old was your, your oldest sister when your parents got married? You know?

Jordan 26:20
Let's say like,

Scott Benner 26:21
five, five. And then they had to wait four more years until they made the brother. Yeah, then he wasn't too much of a trouble. three more years. Sorry.

Jordan 26:30
While you're

Scott Benner 26:33
cooking, you're adding in the cooking time for the baby, which I can't do on the fly. Just so you know. And then they didn't dislike him very much. And so they made another one. Yeah, and now we're done. And it's that you think he's gonna stay with your mom or you think you'll run out and like go roll up again on some other lady and start over?

Jordan 26:53
I think they're in it for the long haul.

Scott Benner 26:56
How old are your parents? Like just if they're in their 50s? Or 60s 50s 50s was trying to imagine like a 65 year old guy like I'm out of here. gonna talk to Betsy? She seems sweet. Do it again. God, all right. Um, you on their insurance, though? Because you have a job. You have your own. Were you on their insurance right up until you started working? Making old people walk on treadmills.

Jordan 27:24
I was on it until this last year, because I turned 26. So you, you thought like cool

Scott Benner 27:30
advantage of that? Yeah. Can you talk about how helpful that was while you were in college?

Jordan 27:39
Well, I mean, it was really helpful. I don't I don't know how helpful it would have. What am I trying to say? If I just I don't know any different?

Unknown Speaker 27:52
What would have happened if you try.

Jordan 27:55
If I was in college, and I wasn't on their insurance, I would have had to pay for my insurance somehow and probably wouldn't have gotten as good of coverage and not being able to have a pump for CGM or anything. So do you think you help me with that?

Scott Benner 28:09
Yeah. Do you think you would have had to turn yourself out? If that happened? Is that a phrase you don't know? Would you have had to hook is what I'm saying? Do you think you would? Would you had to become some sort of a part time prostitute? Just before it's

Jordan 28:24
possible? I mean that diabetes is expensive. So

Scott Benner 28:28
do you think that happens on college campuses?

Jordan 28:31
I'm sure it does. Yeah, I

Scott Benner 28:34
think the younger girls are probably not as a hardened at that age. Right? That can't be how it goes. But that would be a sad story. By the way, if, if you were on here to tell us that you hooked your way through college to pay for your insulin pump. But by the way, if let me just say this for a second, if anyone listening hooked their way through college to pay for their diabetes supplies, please immediately send me a note and asked to be on the podcast. Thank you very much. Jordan, I at this point want to ask you with all sincerity. Has your heart rate ever gone over 85? If you put yourself on that treadmill, could you get your heart rate up?

Jordan 29:14
I can Yeah.

Scott Benner 29:16
You're still nervous, aren't you? A little bit. I have tried really hard for you. Service. I don't know what to do at this point.

Unknown Speaker 29:24
Well, what would make you just keep going?

Unknown Speaker 29:29
I just thought of something to say I'm not gonna say

Scott Benner 29:39
I apologize. Excuse me. Okay. All right, Jordan, let's so you had no real affinity for any of your insulin pumps. You switch back to MDI because you're tired of being attached to stuff. Although you don't seem to be worried about being attached to this guy, he's not paying any bills. That seems to be okay with you. I'm just joking. I'm sure he's a lovely person. I'm so sorry. Yes, if you talk, I will

Jordan 30:05
be sad. He feels bad. I

Unknown Speaker 30:08
will be sad.

Scott Benner 30:10
What's his name? Tyler Tyler, listen to me. I have been a stay at home dad for 20 years, 20 years of me going up to my wife at gift giving occasions and saying, look, I got you this happy whatever day and her looking at it and going, I don't want this. And then me knowing in my heart, she's thinking, I just paid for something with my own money that I don't want. So jever it's not a good feeling like so. But I've learned to live with a Tyler so just suck it up. Okay, you're gonna be alright. You just put your head down and plow through, it'll be fine. And one day, you'll make a couple of dollars. And hopefully this beautiful girl won't kick you out of the house and you'll get to make it up to her. But if her dad's any

Unknown Speaker 30:55
indication, you're not long for this world.

Scott Benner 31:02
By the way, if you ever get divorced, it's not my fault.

Unknown Speaker 31:04
I just did. I'm just joking.

Jordan 31:08
send you a message like a year from now and be like Scott, you ruined everything.

Scott Benner 31:13
I had to leave with my five year old but don't worry, I found another guy who it'll be fine. No, seriously, probably you shouldn't feel bad about this man. It's a it's a nice thing that you guys found each other. And you're willing to support each other in this situation. It really is wonderful. I am you know, I'm, I'm saying a lot of stupid things. I don't mean 85% of them. But the 15% that I do mean, I drastically mean them. But, but you'll have to figure out what the percentages are and how that breaks down later when you're listening back. I just know. I think it's nice. Um, it is uncommon for in my eyes for somebody your age, to be married. And have come from a decent home. Yeah, yeah. I mean, like we were married young, but we were raised like animals. Like, like, honestly, my parents will never hear this. Neither were Kelly's. But let me just say, not a parenting instinct between the group of them. You know what I mean? Like, really? Not? If I got diabetes, when I was a kid, there's no way I'd be alive. That I mean, people would have just been like, good luck. And then that would have been it. You know, Kelly's parents probably would have sold her for I don't know fabric and yarn or something like that. So it so you were raised like these people took really good care of you. Let's look into that for a second. You said you switched over to kind of your own management pretty quickly. Do you remember what your goals were? And if you were meeting them I guess back then really a one C was the only measurement people gave you right?

Jordan 32:42
Yeah, I I can't remember when I was younger what my a onesies were but up until a few years ago, I didn't. I didn't really have set goals. Yes, I I would always shoot for in the sevens for my agency, but I never actually got there until a few years ago.

Scott Benner 33:07
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What changed a few years ago,

Jordan 36:58
I started just doing more research about what helps and I got my CGM and started doing just taking more responsibility. I graduated from college. So I, I don't know I think I just started taking life more seriously. And I got married and was thinking about kids and stuff. So knowing that I had to get my stuff together if I was ever going to have a family and

Scott Benner 37:27
that said just felt like the only path to it. Yeah, yeah, it's funny. First of all, you have to give me a ton of credit here because I stopped myself during your really thoughtful answer from saying that you realize that you're gonna have to take care of Tyler's that you need to

Unknown Speaker 37:40
be healthy.

Scott Benner 37:44
I'm so sorry, teller. I'm still just joking. But, but no, I mean, that's a really. I mean, I think that's a moment that a lot of people come to right. Like you're in the sevens and thinking, well, this is where you really like in honesty really like good enough. Is that how you felt about it?

Jordan 38:02
No, I wasn't in the seven. I was in the eights and nines. Oh, you're shooting

Scott Benner 38:08
for the sevens but we're landing in eights and nines.

Jordan 38:11
Ah,

oh, God, I think I think back on it. I'm just like, I don't know how I made it this far without having some major emergency or being in decay or having a serious low or anything. But as far as emergency situations, everything was pretty mellow. But I just don't remember thinking about my diabetes as much as I do now.

Scott Benner 38:36
See, You surprised me again? Like you really I'm genuinely I'm being genuine like you. Like everything about you made me feel like when I eventually asked you how you are managing and how it was going that you were gonna say Oh, Scott, I I vary between a five six and a five nine. You know? Yeah, I thought you were I thought you were gonna be one of those people like, I I can't imagine like it just did. You're challenging everything I think about everything.

Jordan 39:06
Now my agency is what's 5.8 most recently so I'm there now so I'm personally you think I am now?

Scott Benner 39:17
So the person I thought you were that you weren't? You are now. Yes exactly. But Tyler still not paying the electric bill. I gotcha. You guys live so far for me. That's the only reason I'm comfortable doing this. There's no way Tyler can lose his mind to come completely across the country like even if he did by the time he flew over like Wyoming he'd be like this wasn't worth it. I should go home.

Jordan 39:39
forget why he went there in the first you

Scott Benner 39:41
would think by Minnesota he just be like, why am I on this point? What what changes so interesting for people? What changes did you make like concrete changes? Did you make the go from an A one C and the nines two. Are you in the fives now? Yeah. Wow. That's by the way. It's amazing how many years did that take, though.

Jordan 40:03
And I remember my first day when seeing the sevens about almost coming up on three years ago. And then I've been in that. And then I was in the sixes. And I've been in the fives now for a little over a year, I think,

Scott Benner 40:21
what was the first change? You made?

Jordan 40:24
my diet?

Scott Benner 40:26
What was your diet previously? Was it just pizza, whatever you found on the floor of your dorm room, or?

Jordan 40:32
No, that's the thing. When I was in college, I thought I was. I mean, I felt like I was eating healthy. I wasn't eating fast food every day, or, I mean, I was eating what I consider to be a healthy diet, and but I was still just all over the place with my blood sugars. So I was always really frustrated with them. And I think I just kind of gave up at one point, I was just like, they're just gonna do what they want anyway. But I hadn't listened to this podcast either. Which helps.

Scott Benner 41:06
Wait a minute. Now we're getting to me. I'm getting very interested. What I'm, there's a certain segment of people who thought I was serious. But that's when did you start listening to this show? And And where was your a once you when you started listening?

Jordan 41:21
I started listening about a year ago, I think so I was I was pretty well controlled already. But it just helped me view things a little bit differently and help to I don't know, I for a while I had my high alert off on my CGM. So I could be high and just not even know. And now I have it set at 120. So I just try to catch things sooner. And even things out a little bit.

Scott Benner 41:50
made me smile when you said 120. I hope you know. I was that was nice. And so you're is that really what's going on? Well, let me ask this first, when you say you change your diet, did you change your diet to like, did you go low carb or

Jordan 42:06
quite the opposite? Actually? Good.

So I eat pretty much all like fruits, veggies and whole grains. I don't eat any animal products or anything. But there's a lot of research out there that talks about insulin resistance and how fat causes insulin resistance. And I know you and Jenny did an episode recently right on insulin resistance. But from my understanding, and everything I've learned, like true insulin resistance is caused by fat in your body, whether you're overweight or not. Making it so that carbohydrates can't get into the cells that they need to get into. That's easily because there's fat blocking the way basically. And so when I changed my diet and started just focusing on like, Whole Foods and not eating, I don't eat a bunch of processed foods anymore, either, but just cutting out a lot of the high fat foods, my insulin sensitivity, like shot up, like my I know you don't use a insulin to carb ratio. But I went from one unit for every nine carbs to one unit for every 30 carbs. Wow, just by

Scott Benner 43:39
going to a cleaner diet.

Jordan 43:41
Yeah, no kidding.

Scott Benner 43:42
And so in that gives you more consistently,

it stays pretty consistently. And that gives you more control. Because you're not using as much was it hard to want to use so much insulin when you were doing something? Did that scare you ever? When you like prior to this, like the bigger boluses scare you or?

Jordan 44:03
No, not really, I just I didn't know any different and I just did as much insulin as I needed to do and I would my insulin sensitivity kept, like getting worse and worse because I my ratio kept getting lower and lower. Like it would be one for every 15 and then eventually it was one for every 12 carbs. And then my lowest I remember is like 148 or one per nine.

Scott Benner 44:34
Were you gaining weight through that time or no?

Jordan 44:37
No, no, it just

Scott Benner 44:39
the diet.

Jordan 44:41
Yeah, and I know people. I mean, even people without diabetes, if they have a diet that's high in fat, I imagine their pancreas is are just pumping out more and more insulin to try to compensate for that.

Don't show up. But I

Scott Benner 45:02
feel like that's happening underneath anyway. Well, I will say that my body, excuse me, my body is not a temple of great eating. But I'm also not unaware that, you know, the more you put, the more challenge you give to your body, the more it is challenged, you know, if I, I'm looking at a piece of paper, if I eat it, my body will find a way to process it, you know, and you put stuff in there that it has a harder time with, or that maybe, you know, maybe your body is really not meant to, to have in it. And, you know, you're you're going to use up services, you're going to use up resources, and it's going to work harder to get less accomplished. It's, it's like anything else. Honestly, I have no nutritional background whatsoever. But that's just common sense. Right? You know, I don't whatever keeps the Twinkie fresh for 35 million years is probably not good for you. All right, my guess, you know, don't know hundred percent not sure people from Twinkie might disagree. I'm not saying I know anything. Just saying that. It seems to me that that's not a that's not reasonable. And you know, not that you couldn't throw one in every once in a while. But like you said, if they become if that processed food becomes a staple in your life, then you know, that you end up or you end up and that turnaround that you had your insulin to carb ratio going, like one to nine to one to 30 is, is significant, really significant. You know,

Jordan 46:33
I didn't even know it was possible until it happened. I'm just like, okay, there's a few days where I just, I kept going low. And I was like, Man, this is getting frustrating. But I just kept cutting my insulin back. And I mean, I eat between 300 and 500 grams of carbs a day. But they're all from home. good and healthy foods. It's that. But

Scott Benner 46:59
hold on a second. It was cool. What you just said, Hold on. I really did. It did take you a while to warm up. But you're there now. Okay, so hold on a second. So at a one to nine. If I took 500 divided by nine, it please trust me. I'm not 100% sure I've just done the right thing. But it seems like that's 55 units of insulin at a one to nine. But at a one to 30 I would take the 500 divided by 30. It's 16 units of insulin. Mm hmm. So prior, so if you would have eaten 500 cart, wow. 500 or you're nine feet tall, 500 carbs of, of, you know, pizza and chips and that kind of stuff, you would have needed 55 units of insulin. And I'm gonna guess that might not have been enough. And so, but if you have little asparagus and an apple and a couple of things like that, keeping the I guess you're keeping out you're vegan, right? Yeah, you keep out that stuff. You're down to 16 units of insulin a day for 500 carbs worth of food. Yeah. And you're not gaining weight. Right. So it's healthy for your body. Yeah. All right. So what do I do now? Let's just go over this. I might start doing this Jordan. What do I eat? What do I What do I gotta do?

Jordan 48:19
So Well, before I even so I have over the past. Probably year, I've also lost about 30 pounds, but my insulin sensitivity had had gone way up before I even lost any weight. So okay, so even

Scott Benner 48:40
weight loss. You had that experience? Okay. No, no, no, I'm, I'm, it's Listen, we're from two different coasts. You're speaking at one speed and I'm speaking another and I'm trying my hardest. And so but you don't hear you want to hear a secret? Usually when people speak very slowly. You I don't mean usually. I mean, in the past, my there'd be a little voice in my head that I could hear yelling at me like speed up go faster. Like right, like they're like, tell him to hurry. But this podcast has actually helped me. Like, not feel like that anymore. Like you spin Yeah, you speak slower than I do. And I'm not anxious about it. But I used to be. I used to feel there's an episode of this podcast where a guy spoke so slowly that when I edited it, I had to take out all the pauses. It took me like hours to edit it out. But he just

Unknown Speaker 49:38
couldn't

Unknown Speaker 49:41
talk

Scott Benner 49:44
fast. It's like, oh my god. No one's gonna listen to that. They'll fall asleep in between the words. So I like I compound it down that still made it seem normal, and I still get notes about it about how slowly he speaks in that episode. Well That's okay. It's fine. He was thinking about every word. Except skin. Yeah, I mean, is it and you just say a couple things that don't make sense. People like that was funny. And then it ends you know it's over to get going. Okay, so your what's a normal day for you get up and have breakfast? What does it

Jordan 50:22
mean usually have some berries with oats and bananas and dates.

Scott Benner 50:28
And Bambi doesn't try to take it from me or Thumper or anybody?

Unknown Speaker 50:33
No, no.

Scott Benner 50:34
Okay. And then you're starving and you eat again in five minutes. Now, just kidding.

Jordan 50:39
That is such a big breakfast. Do you snack

Unknown Speaker 50:41
in between meals?

Jordan 50:43
No, I don't.

Scott Benner 50:44
Okay, at lunchtime.

Jordan 50:48
It varies, but, I mean, we make curry or chili or pasta or? No, sometimes, sometimes we'll have salad but not very often.

Scott Benner 51:02
That salad see a couple people every year you ever noticed that ever just pops up? You never see a lettuce that kills people, like every couple of minutes? Not a lot. But it's like a handful of people every year like that. They eat a bad head of lettuce. They're dead. Yeah, they poo for three days and died. Like

Jordan 51:19
sounds like a terrible way to go.

Scott Benner 51:22
It. It really does, doesn't it? I am a strong, strong possibility for the title of this episode. Two for three days. And I don't know today's episode. Did you see today? You didn't because you're on different coasts. But I put an episode up today that finally made my wife go, how do you name the podcast? I called it waxing waning and Hulk Hogan's dragon. And she's like, what's that about? I was like, it's all there, baby. She's like, it doesn't make any sense. And I was like, I said the episode was about so much. I didn't know what to call it. And these words were mentioned in the episode. So go listen to it. Find out what it's about. Meanwhile, she wouldn't do that. I bet you she's never listened to the podcast. I don't ask her.

Jordan 52:16
But you're afraid? Are you afraid that

Scott Benner 52:18
I'm afraid to ask that like, like Tyler's afraid to mention

Unknown Speaker 52:23
the rent.

Scott Benner 52:31
Anyway, Tyler, nice going, man, I'll tell you right now, when young men come up to me and they say, what should I be looking for? In a woman I always say, earning potentials first and then after. You want to go getter? The girl. It's not gonna be like, you know, happy to take a day off in the middle of the week. Just go go go a worker.

Jordan 52:52
Oh, I'm still happy to take the day off. And

Scott Benner 52:56
wait, you're saying that in an Armageddon situation. You're not willing to pull a plow.

Jordan 53:02
That's, that's not my situation.

Scott Benner 53:06
Can you imagine that? There was a time in the world where you would literally put your wife on the front of a handheld plow and be like, yo, pull this through the turret. I was it not the guy pulling the plow? You know that this is a true thing I'm saying right.

Jordan 53:20
Yeah, yeah, maybe. Maybe the women were more capable? I don't know. Listen,

Scott Benner 53:25
if my life is any indication, women are way more capable. And I think Tyler's gonna have to say the same. So I don't see how he can get out of this. You know what I'm doing for you right now. Right? It's like, I've set this man on a path where he's gonna just make a ton of money and take care of you now just to get rid of this pain. And you will call him thank me later. Now, you'll be like, Wow, he really got to it after college. And I was like, say Meanwhile, this is very sexist. Women can do this. Right? How would you feel if you went to all this trouble to get your eight one c nice and low, right? Let's paint a picture. Tyler comes home from a long hard day of listening to other people talk in a room. And you guys are amorous. And by mistake, a little baby Jordan comes out like in nine months. And then Tyler's like I'll stay home with the baby. How would you be with that?

Jordan 54:20
I don't know. Probably not very happy but

Unknown Speaker 54:26
so would you want to

Jordan 54:27
be like No, no.

It's time for you to go away.

Scott Benner 54:32
It's enough for you buddy. I'm just saying trying to set up Tyler's expectations here. So now would you you want to stay home with the baby? Are you looking to be a working person so

Jordan 54:44
I want to stay home at least for a little while but I don't know. How long would you take it? Yeah.

Scott Benner 54:51
I took our new an appointment yesterday. I'm not I'm This is no lie. I can't believe this is coming up. And the woman working behind the counter says something thing like to me like it was like 230 in the afternoon was right after school. How are you able to be here with her? And I said, I must stay at home dad. I've been a stay at home dad for 20 years. And she's like, Oh, I tried that. couldn't take it. Now, this was a younger person. So I'm like, I try. I said, how old your your babies? She was. I just have one, two. I'm like, wait, one, two. And she was Yeah, he's two years old. Like you couldn't take it for two years. I was like, Where is he now? And she's like, basically, I forget exactly what she said the kids in some sort of a human kennel. Now you don't I mean, like, and so she, she's like, I couldn't take it. He was too much.

Unknown Speaker 55:35
I was like, What was

Scott Benner 55:36
so ordered, I go to the she goes to the appointment, we come out, we get in the car. Look at each other. We really are like two peas in a pod. And she goes, what was that woman expecting when she had a baby? I was like, I have no idea. I was like, but there are a lot of work. And I said they basically just poulan things and don't do anything else. Like they're fairly useless. You know, like, you can't they're like weights that you have to keep alive. Like, imagine if you were in charge of keeping your broom alive. Like there's like it's it doesn't do much, you know? And she said, Arden was like baffled by that. And I was too so you're thinking about having a baby, right?

Unknown Speaker 56:13
Yes, sooner than later.

Jordan 56:17
Well, I mean, we got four more years.

Unknown Speaker 56:21
You're, you're on a countdown

Scott Benner 56:22
clock. What happens in four years do you think? Do you think your eggs are gonna expire? or something? Or what do you

Jordan 56:28
know Tyler graduates from school?

Scott Benner 56:31
Oh, you have to wait. Four more years.

Jordan 56:32
It's at least four more years. Yeah.

Scott Benner 56:35
Interesting. Now, you know, my marriage advice is don't marry till 30. Right.

Jordan 56:41
I have heard that. Yeah.

Scott Benner 56:42
Okay. And but but don't have a baby till 30. Okay, so let's say let's say Tyler graduates, then we got to hang back a little bit. Make sure you can get a job you understand? I'm saying and then he gets hooked up with some some employment you're like, Alright, this seems to be going okay. I will now allow you over here to make a baby. And then that happens. And then you're 31 is taller your age?

Jordan 57:05
Yes.

Scott Benner 57:06
Okay. Thank god cuz I thought you're gonna say was younger, and I don't know why that would have bothered me. And for no real reason. But so you're both 31 little baby Tyler Jordan is here. Tyler Jordan sounds like a title of a movie. But anyway, that's nothing that's neither here nor there. He's here. You look at him for a while or she? and two years later, you realize you can't take this kid anymore.

Unknown Speaker 57:30
You go back to work.

Scott Benner 57:32
Is that your Do you have a plan?

Jordan 57:35
No.

Scott Benner 57:37
Have you ever had a

Jordan 57:38
ball up in the air right now? Gotcha.

Scott Benner 57:41
You have what is one thing you've planned this worked out the way you expect it to?

Jordan 57:47
Go into school. Nice.

Scott Benner 57:49
That's a good one. Was that hard to do? was our server point during college that you thought like this isn't for me? Or were you really like locked into it?

Jordan 57:59
More so I think just thinking What have I done? What did I get myself into? But no, I I wanted to see it through

Scott Benner 58:10
give massive loans that you will never be able to pay off.

Jordan 58:15
They're up there but they're not

absurd. Good. They're pretty average. I think as far as student loans go,

Scott Benner 58:22
That's excellent. Good. It's a it's a scary proposition. Yeah, and this Tyler I mean, come on. He's gonna be a couple hundred grand in the hole by the time this is over. Yeah, I mean,

Jordan 58:34
yeah, it's a different story. That guys maybe should wait till you're not paying on those yet. So I

Scott Benner 58:40
think you should wait till Tyler graduates and and get a cat. Maybe you have a cat. So there was one thing I was sure of while we were talking. And that it was you owned a cat? That's because they're quiet and slower. And I feel like that would make you

Jordan 58:59
we have to

Scott Benner 59:00
do they fight with each other? Sometimes? Mm hm. Whose cats? Are they? Tyler's are yours.

Jordan 59:08
We got them together. I didn't say that. I said

Scott Benner 59:10
who's really in charge of the cat? Like, who cares? Like who would be like, oh God, the cat died and be upset and who would be like, ah, did the cat die? which one is which?

Jordan 59:21
I would think we would both be sad. Was that he? He worries about them more when we're not really? I guess.

Scott Benner 59:32
Yeah, Tyler's a nice person. He

Unknown Speaker 59:36
is he he?

Scott Benner 59:37
He's a sweet guy. I worry about our dogs when we leave the house. I'm always like, we have to go home. And then I complain. Why did we get a dog? Oh my god. I'm arguing with the bologna sandwich thing. I guess that's not surprising to me. But I love the dogs and I want the very best for them and like if we have to go out like for a long afternoon, I feel badly about that. But it immediately makes me say to my wife, I told you not to get a dog. But the dog is ruining our life. That cat can't ruin your life though, because you can leave a cat home for I mean until it runs out of water. It's just gonna be okay. Right?

Jordan 1:00:15
arc. Cats are pretty needy, needy cats. I know. One of them has a food allergy and the other one will eat all the food.

So we can't just leave food out.

Unknown Speaker 1:00:35
I don't know if anybody cares about this episode, but I'm having such a good time. You have a

Unknown Speaker 1:00:41
cat with a food allergy?

Jordan 1:00:43
Yes.

Unknown Speaker 1:00:45
You can't make it a vegan. You know, it'll kill it. I know. Chip receipt, people I've

Unknown Speaker 1:00:52
seen people have eaten cats.

Jordan 1:00:55
I've heard about it.

And that's

Unknown Speaker 1:01:04
your one cat your cat eat?

Unknown Speaker 1:01:07
I can't stop laughing.

Jordan 1:01:12
I don't I don't know what it is. Exactly. It's I think that he's allergic to some form of protein. But

what about Scott? you're

Unknown Speaker 1:01:28
allergic the protein.

Jordan 1:01:45
They're allergic to like chicken or turkey or some?

Unknown Speaker 1:01:51
I don't know.

Unknown Speaker 1:01:53
It's just you in the other category. It's Tyler the cat, the kitty.

Unknown Speaker 1:02:02
Oh, holy.

Unknown Speaker 1:02:12
This is either the best or worst episode that I've ever done. I won't know until later. Okay, all right. Hold on. We're coming up on an hour. Let me pull myself together here. Okay.

Scott Benner 1:02:26
You did say some really important stuff about the diet, I want to make sure that we we underscored for a second you changed your diet, you took out processed foods became vegan. You're a one season the fives now and you're using to my math, a quarter of the insulin that you're using prior is all about correct. Yeah. How do you feel overall with your health compared to back then?

Jordan 1:02:51
Much better. Yeah, I yeah. Before I just kind of was in this state of mind where I felt like I was gonna get complications or have complications from diabetes. And it was just kind of a matter of when they would come on. And now I feel like I can just live a normal life and not really have to worry about the complications, not that they will never happen, but I'm much less worried about them now than I was before. That's

Scott Benner 1:03:25
excellent. Yeah, I would wait, I would worry way more about the lead weight that is Tyler than I would about diabetes. And I really appreciate Tyler as being the comic foil of this episode. Please. Pass on my regards. Actually, you should tell him that this didn't happen. Probably just be like, I don't know. It just didn't work out. Or we're gonna try again later.

Jordan 1:03:49
Yeah, I was gonna have to listen to it before I let tell anyone else about it.

Scott Benner 1:03:53
Oh, I 100%. Don't think you should let him hear this.

Unknown Speaker 1:03:59
Because I'm kidding. Fair warning.

Scott Benner 1:04:01
Yeah, I've been kidding the whole time. But I'm looking back now. And there's like three things I don't think he wants to hear. But no, seriously, I it's really cool. what you guys are doing the way you're like, you know, let's be serious for a second, you're in your mid 20s. Both of you are becoming educated. And you're supporting each other. You're, you know, you're a couple, you're married, you're taking care of each other. You're taking care of your diabetes in an amazing way. This is really a success story. Your life really is like it's easy to joke about but just because you're younger and you talk slower and you're kind of quiet, your cat can't eat protein. But I mean, other than that, though, you really do have your stuff together. So I mean, you should really be congratulated you by yourself pretty much in your mid 20s. Got your a one C from nine to five. And that's no joke. That's Yeah, as well done, you know, do you ever stop and just, you know, pat yourself on the back? I would. Seriously Have you ever do. What I was gonna say have you ever really stopped and thought about what in the comments This is

Jordan 1:05:01
Yeah, I have. And Tyler talks about all the time. Like, if I have a randomly, not random, I'll know what happens. But if I have a high number, Tyler will bring up the fact that when I when we first met and I would check my blood sugar, like two or 300 would be a normal number that we would see. And now it's very rare. So it's cool to look back and see,

Scott Benner 1:05:28
you know what I'm what I'm interested about about your transformation with food too is that you weren't addicted to food, right? Like it was easy for you to change. Because it seems like you just made a decision to eat healthier, and you just did it. Whereas if you said to me, Scott, you need to eat, you know, a certain way all the time. I don't know that I could, like so seamlessly do it. Was it seamless? How long did it take you to make the transition? We just like one day, you're like, I'm not gonna be like this anymore. That was it, or have you faltered back and forth, or

Jordan 1:05:59
the first change was just to a vegan diet. And we would still eat, like processed foods and still some higher fat foods. And I didn't see a huge change in the diet. And then when I switched to eating like just like Whole Foods, and not any processed or not a bunch of added fat or anything. I mean, you can have vegan pizza and also make your blood sugar go crazy if it has a bunch of fat in it. But once that happened, then it was the biggest change. But it was it was pretty much overnight.

Scott Benner 1:06:40
The change.

Jordan 1:06:42
Yeah, the transition, but I mean, eating, it's such a, like everyone has their habits with eating, and they have their favorite meals that they make all the time. And it's just about finding meals that you like, and what works for you. And eventually, just making those changes you can make a transition with maybe not even really realizing what a big transition you've made. Oh,

Scott Benner 1:07:08
it's really inspirational, honestly, I mean, as a person who I mean, my weight fluctuates constantly, it doesn't make any sense. Like one day, I'll look in the mirror and I look like one person. And three days later, I look like a different person. I'm like, What happened? But I think it's I don't think it's a secret what happened. Like, I really do believe that it's like processed foods and stuff like that, that makes your body begin to like, retain water and you know, and all kinds of stuff. So I agree with you. I just don't not 100% sure I could eat. Like, I'm never hungry is my problem. Is that as weird as it sounds like the food you talked about eating sounded like a lot? To me.

Jordan 1:07:47
It is a lot. Yeah. It's a lot of food. Yeah. And then I know nutrition is a controversial topic, especially right now. Because in low carb is a big craze right now. And high carb low fat is a big craze. So there's a lot of confusion out there. But I think if someone wants to make a change, definitely doing research and kind of looking into it before. It's important. But

Scott Benner 1:08:17
what I found interesting about what you said is that the transformation happens so quickly. So it makes me feel like the right answers what works. You know, like, whether it's one or the other, like wherever you're seeing, like real impact. Like like that would indicate to me that your body likes what's happening.

Jordan 1:08:36
Yeah,

Scott Benner 1:08:37
you don't I mean, I really would like it. My wife is asking me if I'm still recording. So I'm telling her Yes. I don't know why. She's asking me she has not usually this interested in my life. So weird.

Jordan 1:08:54
So cuz she is working from home.

Scott Benner 1:08:56
I'm wondering if she's gonna burn the house down with me and that's really my main concern. Because then she gets, you know, a small there's a small insurance policy on me. But the house and me plus then she gets like the, you know, the town will feel bad for they'll probably make her casseroles for like a year. And then the kids will really be stuck just the only loving her. I think this is what she's gonna go for here. Let me wait for the return text. Probably gonna be like you smell smoke. I'm gonna go check. That's her cover for the cops. You know, they mean I tried to help him but he was upstairs. He couldn't hear because of the headphones and I miss them. Like that kind of a thing. Like she's probably working or acting right now down there. She's gonna kill me one

Jordan 1:09:39
mile. So she walks when

Scott Benner 1:09:40
there are days when I think it will happen eventually. I always imagined she'll get me with a pillow while I'm sleeping. Classic, you know, they mean no reason to be flashy. Just, I don't know. I think he had sleep apnea.

Jordan 1:09:56
kept telling him to go to the doctor,

Scott Benner 1:09:57
my guest that's how I'll tell you what I bet That's how Tyler goes. I just had to take one more. So I get Tyler, who I'm sure is a lovely person that I've never met. Before, I guess. Listen, I would imagine is because you seem like a very grounded reasonable person. I don't think you would couple up with a jackass. So I think Tyler's property terrific. You really are wonderful. You know that, right? Like, I screwed you over a couple of weeks ago by mistake. And you were just like, that's cool. And now today, You're up early again doing this. And we are just it is six o'clock in the morning. And I am saying that your I called your husband a lead weight, I inferred that you would make a baby with him and then leave him like your father did to your first wife. We have said every ridiculous thing about your life that is possible. And the only reason this happened is because you were nervous, and I had to fill the time. You cause this yourself, Jordan. That's what I'm trying to say.

Jordan 1:10:58
I do appreciate you actually calling me today.

Scott Benner 1:11:00
Oh, look at you take it a swing back at me with some sarcasm. That's lovely. I like that. Jordan, you're terrific. If I was 25 years younger, and Tyler hadn't gotten there first, I would absolutely bother you at college. I'd be like, This girl is gonna make a great berry breakfast one day, I can tell. And she's gonna walk these people to death on a thing. And she looks real earning potentials there's I can tell. So that would check the first box right there. There you go. I don't really tell Well, wait, I was gonna say I don't really say that to people. But I have in the past joked about it. Like, you know, but it's sort of not a joke to at the same time. Like, I know someone who obviously I want out who is married to a person who is in my estimation, oh, lazy. Just like this person just doesn't. I know about their details. They're not motivated. They don't have health issues. There's nothing keeping them back. They just aren't really like looking to kill it in life. Do you know what I mean? Like, they're just like, yeah, you know, I'm awake. This is good enough. Like that kind of thing. And I didn't want a life like that for myself, like I wanted. I wanted to try a little bit. You don't mean like, I'm not trying to be wealthy? I don't, that doesn't motivate me. I'm not looking to you know, I'm not looking to be the king of something. But I would like to be able to, like turn around and say I need $20. And for it to be there. You know, and for that to be comfortable. Yeah. So it was important to me that actually, all the Joking aside. And I'm going to ask you a question in a second about Tyler that series. My daughter and her friend. My daughter has a friend who enjoys my company. I don't know why it's weird. But we got a text early in the week. And she's lovely. They she's one of my daughter's friends who I really, I think is one of my favorite ones of my daughter's friends. And so her name is Bella and Bella said, I want to go out for Friday night for chicken with your dad take us out to dinner. So my wife got sick Friday, which is a shame because she was going to come out. And so Bella and Arden and I went out to get Bella chicken, which is really what was happening and 100% I'm still not sure how it happened. So we're driving back to the house. And the kids start, you know, like sometimes kids to ask like bigger life questions. They started asking like, what kind of a person do you see me with like when I get older, because we were people watching in the restaurant. And I was pointing out to them, like, Look, you can see how people end up together. And we were doing kind of that like social math. Like this guy is handsome, but he's not as tall. So he ended up with this girl who's this but she's like, like, you know what I mean? Like, it's it's such a horrible thing to say, but we all fit somewhere. So we were just kind of talking about how people fit together. This made them really wonder who they fit with. And I was like, Look, I'm you know, there's no way to know, I was like, before we started talking about Bob and Bella says, you know, how did you and your wife end up together and I said, hundred percent. The most important thing to me is that my wife is bright, and articulate, and I can talk to her. I said 100% that's what attracted me to my wife. First. She's a thoughtful person, you can have a deep conversation with, you know, everything's not surface. She's not easily confused by things. You know, they mean like, You know how sometimes you can just make some, like half assed argument to somebody and you change their mind and like in the back of your head, you're like that was it like I swayed you? You know what I mean? Like, like you didn't want to, like work toward or anything. She's reasonable. But she's thorough. She's a hard working person. Her job means something to her. She takes pride in the things she does, and I always knew when I was dating her that she'd be a good mother. Like I could really tell and she absolutely 100 percent is all those things and more. And so I told the kids that and they were like, oh, and I'm like, Yeah, I know. That was the truth. Now let's get back to the fun stuff where we talk about the short guy not being able to get a tall girl, here we go. But yet, for a minute, we were like being real with each other. It was lovely. And so I'm wondering, see, thank you if you're comfortable. And to save his soul, in case he ever listens to this, how did you? How did you decide Tyler was the right one.

Jordan 1:15:32
Um, he is very smart, and very sweet. And he's been super supportive with my diabetes, which has been really just really helpful. My mom was saying the other day that she always thought that I would have to end up with someone else who has type one. Because, like, it's such a hard thing for other people to understand. If you don't really live with it, and know it. But she was talking about how grateful she is for Tyler and how much she's supported me. So yeah, just all around a good guy.

Scott Benner 1:16:13
That's lovely. Very nice. Well, Tyler, you're an all around good guy. And that is a really amazing thing to be seriously. I don't think people think sometimes that other things are, are thought of over just being a decent person, and having good, you know, intentions for people. And I is a person who, you know, I joke around here a lot. But you know, I'm sort of like that. And I found it to be undervalued by others in life. And it's a shame, like, I haven't bent from it. But it's definitely not something that the outside world looks at and goes, Oh, this guy's been a really good father for 20 years. That's not a point thing for most people. You know what I mean? they're just, they're like a, he didn't have a job, or he didn't do this or that, you know, all the things I joked about with Tyler through the hour. So anyway, I think joking aside, I, I find that to be the most important thing. I believe you guys will be married for a bazillion years, and have a bunch of cats that can't tolerate all kinds of different foods together.

Jordan 1:17:20
Hopefully a kids someday

Scott Benner 1:17:21
Well, let's hope the kids can eat tuna while though what would you make? Would you make a baby and make a vegan? Do you think he would write? copy? no reason not

Jordan 1:17:30
to play? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Nice.

Scott Benner 1:17:34
All right. Yeah. Well, I want to know how that goes.

Jordan 1:17:39
I'll keep you updated.

Scott Benner 1:17:40
Well, you won't stop it. So wait. So here's the question. You're an animal, right?

Jordan 1:17:47
Yes.

Scott Benner 1:17:48
So could a vegan baby drink your breast milk?

Unknown Speaker 1:17:51
Oh, go ahead and answer the question.

Jordan 1:17:56
Yes.

Scott Benner 1:17:59
You don't want to be controversial about that at all. Jordan. Nothing. Okay, but you wouldn't get you don't drink cow's milk.

Jordan 1:18:07
And I'm not gonna stick my baby on the cows that are?

Scott Benner 1:18:12
Well, you'd wipe it off first. They're dirty because they walk around. They lay in the room. But yeah, oh, that gets sick. very dirty animals. Very, very dirty animals. But the insides are clean. That's why the milk is okay. You would, but you wouldn't give cow's milk to yourself, right? No, that's vegan. Vegans like nothing that comes from an animal at all? Yeah, okay. So your shoes are like, what? Yeah, like plastic shoes on like the whole thing, right? It's like sandwich bags wrapped around your feet or something. Or what do you got?

Jordan 1:18:46
Just go barefoot everywhere. Gotcha. All right.

Scott Benner 1:18:49
I'm leaving you with a. I'm leaving you with this. For a second story. My friend Mike who is no longer with us, dated a vegan when we were kids. And try to imagine that this was in the early 90s it was not exactly the epicenter of veganism. And we were shopping one day walking through a mall. We were all together. And we walked past a shoe store that had just, I there must have been 1000 pairs of leather shoes in the shoe store. And I'm not gonna lie. You could smell the leather as you walked past the shoe store. And we're all just strolling down the mall. And she just gasps and yells

Unknown Speaker 1:19:30
and yells against smell the leather. She ran away.

Unknown Speaker 1:19:40
And I put my hand on my shoulder. I was like,

Unknown Speaker 1:19:43
how do you handle this one?

Unknown Speaker 1:19:47
He says swear to God, it was like November. And he goes I think she got me a pretty good Christmas present and the sex is great. So I'm gonna hang on a little longer.

Unknown Speaker 1:20:02
I don't know where that girl is now.

Unknown Speaker 1:20:05
But a

Unknown Speaker 1:20:07
bless her she was really thrown by that she

Scott Benner 1:20:12
is one of like the I have two memories of that girl. This next one if your kids are listening, the podcast is over now shut it off. Okay. But my other memory of them is that we all went to the zoo together, which now that I look at it, I'm not sure that she should have been okay with it as a vegan. And, and we were really young, right? So we are and it's another time I want you to remember another time when I tell you the story. So the entire drive to the zoo she's talking about she's just had her nipple pierced. I told you to shut it off and you're listening with your kids, right? And we're all kind of amazed by that. And it wasn't really a vibe of people that we had hung around and we get out of the car. And she's taught she keeps talking about my nipple pierced my nipple pierced and like she's like, you can see it right through my shirt. And I don't know what possessed me and as an adult, I would not do this. But I reached out with the very tip of my finger and I touched it. I was like, Is this it? And there's this long pause and she goes, No, that's my nipple.

Unknown Speaker 1:21:12
And I pulled my hair back slowly. I went. I apologize. We wish

Scott Benner 1:21:18
everyone laughed. It was fine. But um, those are my only two memories of that girl. I don't know her name. I can picture her in my head running away from a shoe store but that's pretty much it. I don't I don't remember anything else about it. I do have a lot of fun memories of Mike but uh, but of her Those are my only two. Anyway, I don't get one so not bad, right. I don't know what he got for Christmas from her. But I hope it was worth waiting. Yeah. All right, Jordan, you were really lovely.

Unknown Speaker 1:21:45
Thank you. No, thank you for doing this. I appreciate it.

Scott Benner 1:21:49
When you email me an hour from now and tell me I'm never allowed to play this or people will completely understand so just

Jordan 1:21:56
know, you might have a angry mob of my family coming after you but

Scott Benner 1:22:00
I would or we could run it where everything said about your by the way everyone said in jest because I don't know any of these people about your father his first marriage. And Tyler you imagine if there was just like 1000 beeps over this episode. That was just you and I like four words went fine. There's like a beep beep beep beep and then went on maybe I put that up. Alright.

Unknown Speaker 1:22:19
Thank you so

Scott Benner 1:22:20
much. I hope you have a great day at work running people into the ground on the treadmill. Thank you seriously go save some lives you What are you doing here?

Jordan 1:22:29
I'll do my best. Huge thanks

Scott Benner 1:22:34
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Unknown Speaker 1:26:56
Brum, Brum,

Scott Benner 1:26:58
having trouble making thoughts maybe I should sing an old 20 song. What's a good 20th song? Hold on a second. Famous 1920 murders movies mobsters, musicians music There we go. Whoo. Ain't misbehaving was huge in the 20s. dark was the night downtown Hartford blues in the jailhouse. Now making whoopee by Bing Crosby. My man

Unknown Speaker 1:27:35
huh?

Scott Benner 1:27:37
West and blues Louis Armstrong. Do not wonder what the words to make an whoopee we're cuz.

Unknown Speaker 1:27:46
Now I'm wondering.

Scott Benner 1:27:48
Every time I hear that dear old Wedding March. I feel rather glad I have broken. Wait, I have a broken arch. I have heard a lot of people talk. And I know that marriage is a long long walk. To most people weddings mean romance, but I prefer a picnic or a dance of the bride and groom and other sunny honeymoon. Another season another reason for making Whoopie Is this the back end later the wedding. The chorus sings Here comes the bride and other victim is by her side. This is misogynistic. He's lost his reason? Cause it's the season for making Whoopi. down through the countless ages. You'll find it everywhere. Somebody makes good wages. Somebody wants her share. Jesus. This is harsh. She calls him toodles and rolls her eyes. She makes him strudels and bakes him pies. What is it all for? This is like a bad Cat in the Hat. It's so helpful for making whoopee. Wait, you got to trick me into those sex. Another year or maybe less? What's this? I hear? Well, can you guess she feels neglected? So he suspected of making whoopee. Are you following this? I think the inference here is men don't want to be married to the 20s. But that's the only way they're going to get laid. And so you give him a pie if you're a lady, and then he marries you. I'm not clear on what you get out of this yet. And the ladies I'm saying and then soon enough, he's going to get tired of your pie from what I'm guessing here. And then he's going to go make the Wolfie with somebody else. Or is he making the copy? Or do you just feel neglected because he's ignoring you and therefore you think he's making the copy? Let's read on it. We'll find out. She sits alone most every night. Oh, no, he's out. He doesn't phone or even right. He's gone. He says he's busy. But she says is he not easy peasy. Why? Like, is he from Grey's Anatomy is he? He's making whoopee. He doesn't make much money $5,000 per year. skies a slacker even by 1920 standards, some judges who think he's funny some judge who thinks he's funny says you'll pay six to her. Oh, I see. He only makes five grand but he's got to give six to the lady. I mean, how many pies did she make? He says now judge suppose I failed the judge says budge right into jail. We are up to this guy going from not wanting to go to a wedding because his foot doesn't hurt. He can't dance. To now he's gonna get locked up for not making his alimony you better keeper you'll find it's cheaper than making won't be. Oh, not cheating is cheaper than giving away your money. So dark song written by two men Gus Kahn and Walter Donaldson. A lot of people recorded this song Doris Day. Eddie Cantor, Ella Fitzgerald in Crosby Huh?

Unknown Speaker 1:31:01
What do you know?

Scott Benner 1:31:04
My ADHD led us to reading the lyrics of making won't be at the end of an hour and 30 minute long podcasts where all we really did was make fun of Jordan's husband Tyler for no reason that is discernible. I guess that makes sense.

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