#242 Diabetes Analytics with Sam Fuld
Scott Benner
Bold with Baseball…
Sam Fuld is the Philadelphia Phillies Major League Player Information Coordinator and former eight year MLB player who has been living with type 1 diabetes since he was ten years old.
Today Sam and Scott discuss the parallels between being bold with insulin and baseball.
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Scott Benner 0:00
Hello, everyone, and welcome to Episode 242 of the Juicebox Podcast. Today's show is sponsored by Omni pod Dexcom. And dancing for diabetes, you can find out more@dexcom.com forward slash juicebox dancing the number four diabetes.com and my Omni pod.com forward slash juice box. And about 200 episodes ago Sam fold came on the program for the first time, he and I had a conversation that I quite enjoyed. And we kept in touch a little bit afterwards. I've been saying to Sam for like a year, I want to have you back on the show. And I'm looking for the exact right situation to have you back. And then things sort of fell into place. So I hear a lot from women who wish their husbands would listen to the podcast, but they find it hard to talk them into listening to a type one diabetes podcast. Then one day just recently, I was thinking about something for my son and baseball. And as we were kind of thinking it through, I saw the parallels between the baseball size and the way we manage type one diabetes. And then I started looking at a lot of the things that I say on this podcast and started seeing a lot of connections between baseball in this and I thought maybe this is how guys might be introduced to the idea of, you know, bumping and nudging and being bold and that sort of stuff. So this one is going to be great for everybody. Don't get me wrong, it's not so baseball heavy that you'll be like, Oh, I don't like baseball. But if you've got a husband or a boyfriend or something like that, who likes the baseball, I think I figured out how to get them to listen. Please remember that nothing you hear on the Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice, medical or otherwise. And to always consult a physician before making any changes to your health care plan. I don't know how much time you have or if you need to be free when the game starts or anything like that. But I had this kind of weird moment. I was talking to my son about ball. He's home from school, and he's playing in a collegiate Summer League, you know, first three games, he's finding his legs. And we're talking and we're talking about, you know, hitting and he hasn't played in a little while. Yeah. And this dad next to me starts saying he starts with his baseball isms, right? He's like, he's like, Oh, he's finding a swing. And as I get a swing looks good to me. So the guy keeps watching. He says he's landing his foot late. I'm like as foots down in time. I'm like, he's just, I said, everything's fire. And it's like, he just kind of his body's not doing what his brain is telling it to do. No, no. Another way to say it at the moment, right? So I'm fighting through this guy's baseball isms. And we're talking and my son later talking on the ride home. And you would love to talk about baseball with him more than me, I imagine because he's just he thinks about it. I imagine the way you do. He plays defense the way you played it. And he thinks about baseball, a lot about like, what your job is, which is what I want to talk about today. Kind of how your job in baseball and diabetes, I see these amazing connections. Just a brief reminder to check out dancing for diabetes.com. It's dancing the number for diabetes.com. They're on Facebook, and Instagram. After you check out dancing for diabetes. You're going to hear Sam talks later about his baseball camp. If you want to learn more about that it's Sam fold T one D sports camp.org. Sam's next camp is coming up in February on the eighth and ninth. It's in Tampa at the USF campus for ages eight to 17. And Sam is there running the baseball session so they can have more information on that at the end of the show. So there we are, we're talking He's like, That's not the problem. It'll be alright. I just have to keep doing this. I'll find it. Sunday crushes a ball. It's, uh, you know, one step from going over the fence. And he's like, Okay, I'm good. And that's it. Yeah, you can't explain it. It makes no sense or anything like that. But if he got caught in those isms, you know, then he would have spiraled out of control. Because they don't mean anything. They're just things people say about baseball things they say about things they can't quantify. I always think right. And so you understand where they came from? Like, you know, I've been in Philly my whole life. I watched Charlie manual coach, I use an old guy sitting there going, you know, it's time to take him out. I saw his elbow drop, you know, like, like, something like that, like the way that baseball had to have been done in the past because no video replay. You're going off of this split second interpretation. You're having a baseball and the and the baseball minds who can see it real quick are the ones who are who get to make the decisions. Alright, so anyway, this dad standing in the stands, he's saying all this stuff. Three days later, Cole crushes the ball, and he looks at me and he goes, he found it. He was like, man had it the whole time. Like I don't know why you don't understand. Right?
Sam Fuld 4:52
Right. So he had his foot down now finally and if you told call his his swing, and all this
Scott Benner 5:00
As if and you look back at the video, you can leave five bats in a row, they look exactly the same, except the last one, he hit the ball. And so, right. So if you were to go to call and tell him, Hey, this guy said you didn't have your foot down in time, he'd be murderous, he would be like, this guy doesn't understand what he's talking about. That's not what this is like he would he would never want that. And, and so I know you don't probably listen to the podcast much, but we just did. Jenny Smith and I she's a CD who has type one. And we did this some the series we call diabetes pro tips, where we broke down the all the ideas that we talked about on the podcast, and put them into real like kind of digestible bits. And as I was doing that, and having these conversations with Cole and thinking about having you back on the podcast, I realized how much the things we talked about diabetes mimic your job. And I don't mean like as a baseball manager, I mean, like your job is specifically Are you still the only guy in the league? Who has this job?
Sam Fuld 5:55
As far as I know, at least? I'm the only one who has this. Idle the title? Maybe that says more about idle than anything. Like it's not the sexiest title out? There you are.
Scott Benner 6:05
Oh, hold on a second. You were the Philadelphia Phillies major league player information coordinator?
Unknown Speaker 6:09
Yes.
Scott Benner 6:10
How's that look on a business card?
Sam Fuld 6:12
There's not enough room on that. Whatever. However long the average business card is does not contain unless you want to go sighs negative font. Yeah, but I think it's still like, the responsibilities are still fairly unique to the game, I think there are more and more teams that are kind of picking up on it. And maybe they're titled differently. There's a lot of like, quality control coaches out there. I shouldn't say a lot, but there are a number of them. And I think part of that part of those duties might entail similar things to what I do. But as far as I know, player information is where we have a monopoly on. So if I were to oversimplify your, your job, it's that you can talk to a baseball player, like a baseball player and understand the analytics like a guy with a Stanford economics degree. Is that fair? Yeah, I think that's kind of perfectly put. Yeah, sort of a bridge or a translator Really? Okay.
Scott Benner 7:07
Yeah, more so that I would say a translator, even more so than a bridge. We talked about on the podcast a lot, that you have to trust that what you know is going to happen is going to happen. And that idea sort of just means you can't, you can't have some food and think, oh, maybe I won't need insulin for it this time, right? Like you, you have to trust that that's going to happen now. Sometimes, you'll give yourself insulin for something, and you didn't need it. But I maintain that you need to take the insulin every time fight with the low once in a while when it happens to avoid this battle with these high blood sugar's constantly. And if that doesn't, to me, mimic the idea of I don't know taking a guy out, you know, one batter into the seventh inning, because statistically, he just can't make it through the second pattern, the seventh inning. I don't know what does, right, because you're trusting blindly something that appears to be going okay. But you're fairly confident it's gonna fall apart. I need you to tell me what that's like a little, because I want this episode to serve as a bridge for dads and guys who tell me that they love the podcast, but they wish it was a little more masculine. Huh? That's what this episode.
Unknown Speaker 8:21
Okay. All right.
Scott Benner 8:23
So, tell me a little bit about that idea.
Sam Fuld 8:25
I'm gonna have my beer first. Turn off. Yeah. I think that's an interesting point like so. You've got Aaron Nola out there. It's the bottom of the eighth. He's done nothing but deal the entire game. He's getting his spots, all that stuff is there, you know. And he's in his pitch counts getting up, let's say is that 105. And let's say all of our evidence for both him and for the league is that as your pitch comp pitch count approaches 105 110 say that your results start to suffer. Despite looking really good leading up to let's just say that that's the case. And there's some pretty significant research that shows that in addition to a lot of research showing that you know, the third time through the order.
Unknown Speaker 9:17
Guy See you
Sam Fuld 9:18
guys see it better. Batteries just generally have a lot better results third time through order than say first time through order. Okay. So let's just say that's the case. And I guess you can kind of make the analogy that like, your blood sugar right now is 105. Let's say you got a G six, like I have a Dexcom g six. And we all know that there's a bit of a lag there. But let's just say that even right now, despite the lag your 105 it will make an extra complicated because your blood sugar's one to five in here and all his pitch count is one.
Scott Benner 9:53
Sam only knows a couple of numbers. Yeah.
Sam Fuld 9:56
Let's let's say that you just had a meal right? Like, I guess that would be the analogy that, and let's not even call it a meal, let's just say that you have a granola bar, and it's got 28 grams of carbs in it. And history has shown that when you have 28 grams of carbs, your blood sugar will go up. Now there might like you said, there might be some instances where I don't know you've done enough exercise recently, or you haven't eaten barely anything at all. And you're just preventing a low by eating that you know, an oncoming low by eating that granola bar. But more often than not, history has shown that when you have 28 grams of carbohydrates, blood sugar is going to go up. And that would be the analogy, you leave Aaron Ola in in the eighth inning, and you get him up to 115 121 25. And you're starting to see guys either the third or fourth time around. That would be that would be why you would lean on history and evidence that can before things get out of hand.
Scott Benner 11:03
And those carbs can get on you before you know it just like you can go from 105 to 120 pitches in just one at bat with a guy fighting you off. And now and now you don't have somebody warm, you're behind. Right? He's still out there thinking I got this, I got this, I got this because he's he's a competitor, you want to think that your blood sugar is going to do what you think it's going to do. It's super. So if I, I wrote this down, because I want to say this exactly right. If I said to you, this takes practice and repetition, it's going to require failure so that you can accumulate enough data to make sense of your outcomes, then and only then can you find balance. Am I talking about baseball or diabetes?
Sam Fuld 11:40
Right? Yeah,
Unknown Speaker 11:42
absolutely the both
Scott Benner 11:43
it's exactly the both. And so I don't want to get you in trouble. Because a lot of people listen to this. But I'm baffled when I see people get the benefit of data, let's say in diabetes, and we can assume maybe in other walks of life, and they're so attached to how they feel before, they can't. They don't even they can't even give themselves over to the idea that maybe this data is valuable. And let me bring this into your world. Sometimes if you turn on sports talk radio right now, you guys are in it, you look amazing, you're 1000 times better than you were last year in first place up until a couple of days ago, you've got the wild card locked right now it's not even the it's not even the all star break yet. And if you listen to some people talk about it. It's a disaster, because it's not baseball the way they're accustomed to seeing it. And, and I don't, I don't know if you have any feelings about that, that you can share. But if you do, I'd love them.
Sam Fuld 12:38
I understand it, obviously, like, I am biased, and I am particularly interested in the data side of the game. So I think like disliking the current state of the game, because there's just more data involved. I can appreciate i don't i don't agree with it, I think like you can, you know, sort of pick and choose the way you consume the game. And I think there's plenty of like sort of traditional broadcasting available that still allows you to like, enjoy a game consume a game in the way that you would have, like 30 years ago, right? On the if you watch a game with, you know, say baseball savant up on your computer, and fangraphs up on your computer, and you're kind of consuming it in a more data oriented way. And you've got the ability to do that. And sort of quench your data, thirst if you might have that. So I think there's just like a lot of different ways that you can consume the game these days. So like, while I'm I can understand people being averse to just seeing numbers that are foreign. And I think I don't know, math is, numbers are tricky, like, in a lot of ways you kind of get it or you don't you like numbers, or you don't. And if you don't like numbers, like I can understand where you just like sort of want to turn a blind eye to it. And I totally respect that. Yeah. And one thing that I think I do particularly relate to is the state of the game or the way the game is played. Now, I can totally relate to it being like a little bit on the boring side and that you've got this like, the game has trended towards the three true outcome, the walk the strike out or the home run, being like, if you if you look at numbers on the whole, like the game is those three true outcomes are biking, right, like 20 years ago, I don't know what the numbers exactly were. But like, let's say that 35% were either 35% of outcomes were either spec out walk or home run. And now it's up in the mid 40s or high 40s. So it's like it's becoming a little bit you know, you've got deeper counts, you've got less action you got, you know, fewer balls in play, but I can understand where that's like a little bit less exciting to consume. Baseball.
Scott Benner 15:00
Yeah, it's funny because I obviously grew up that way. And I don't have your math background. So I have that feeling sometimes like, Oh my god, it's not fair. That guy got that ball through the gap. The shortstop should not be in shallow right field. And and he did better one and yet he lost, right. And at the same time because of my son, and the way he thinks about baseball, I've gotten to think about it a different way. Mike, Mike Cole would tell you, I'd rather strike out with my swing than hit the ball with that guy swing, because my swings going to create this, this and this winning works. And his is he's just going to ground out to the shortstop. And so and you know, and it's, at first I thought, you know, when he started talking to me about this, I was like, No, no, no man, like, I think hit the ball, right? And he's like, No, no, he goes, when I hit the ball, it goes in gaps. It drives, it climbs, it goes, he's like, those are doubles and triples, he goes, I get more basis, he talks about like baseball in terms of like, accumulating basis, you know, you know, and he's like, if I walk, it's great, I'll steal. He's like, and I have more basis. And he'll point to a guy and say, like, that kid hit the ball more than me today. I was more valuable to the game. And I'm like, wow, that's incredible. And it's funny, because I had always thought about it on the defensive side that way, but my brain never took it to offense. I always used to tell him, when he was younger, he used to be a little undersized. And I would always tell him, Look, you'll just you'll always hang on with your defense, like no one in their right mind is going to take you out of the game. And so you have time to bring the rest of it around, which actually ended up working out for him. But he's a kid who I used to have to explain he never watched hockey I had to tell him about plus minus and hockey so that he could understand that his presence in centerfield saved three runs today. Even though he didn't score any that guy knocked in three runs his error let in three runs. He's even your head. And I don't think I don't think I would have begun to think about baseball like that. If I hadn't gotten to watch him play baseball, no way. I think I'd be the guy yelling at the screen like a bums not hitting like Harvard, Harper's astonishing to me, like the man is like talking about a baseball ism. You hear people say the ball sounds different coming off his bat. It just does, right. But the guy doesn't get a hit for two games. And the world's like, he's in a slump. I'm like, he's not in a slump. He just needs three more bats my friend, you know, like, like, and and so I used to probably be one of those people who would look and think guy hasn't had a hit in two games. What a disaster. And now I just realize they're all going to come in a wash at some point. Yeah. and and the the goal is not perfection, the goal is to reach the playoffs. Yeah, right.
Sam Fuld 17:36
I actually think I think the goal, if you just look at it as an individual's like, overall value, it's traditionally it's just been way easier to quantify and record offensive value, right. And it's still it. But I think looking at it from a plus minus standpoint makes a lot of sense, right. And I think we're getting better and better at quantifying at least like, at the professional level, we're getting better and better at quantifying the value that somebody might bring on the defensive side or on the basis. Right, like, it doesn't really matter how you derive value, you could be the very like, freak show, the best centerfielder that's ever played the baseball game, and hit 200 with a 250 on bass and a 300. slug, and you might still be better than the guy who hits 300 with a 400 slug, if that guy can't play defensive leg, right? So it doesn't really matter how you how you see the value. It's just that it's a bottom line game, it's how many runs over the course of the season, are you are you providing and whether that's saving them on the defensive end, providing them with your legs on the basis or with your bath.
Scott Benner 18:48
And so to kind of tie that together with diabetes before before my daughter had a glucose monitor. I put her to bed at like this one at blood sugar and She'd wake up at 90. And people who listen have heard me say this before. And I thought I was a genius like I had worked the whole thing out. Then we put a glucose monitor in and found out I was putting a better one at she was dropping to 50 staying there for hours. Her liver was probably dumping you know, glucose and then she jumps back up to 90. It didn't matter how it looked. It mattered what it was. And and if that reminds me of, you know, when you've got a guy in a corner outfield position who really can't go more than about eight or nine steps from where he's standing, but sometimes he does it dives majestically somehow doesn't drop the ball. And 60,000 people stand up. They're like, that's amazing catch on. That's not an amazing catch. He should have been waiting for it sipping tea, a great day. He shouldn't be diving for it, but it's what it looks like. And so they judge it on what it looks like. I see it with my son all the time, but I don't want to make it about him. I'll use an example from last year. Dexter Fowler went on a run last year. That was insane. And he the ball went off the tip of his glove. And all day The news was Dexter Fowler's things and I was like he's the only guy got to be within 10 steps of that bell, like, how are you gonna? How are you gonna look at it that way? Right? But but it's it's fascinating that that's how it were so like what's in front of our face oriented like we we see what we see, we don't see how what happened prior is affecting right now and I was talking to I don't want to say her name but a girl who is in her mid 20s. And she's had diabetes for 20 years. And she she asked me for help. And so I looked at her basal rates, and I was like, Hey, your basal rates aren't high enough in a lot of places. She goes, No, no, I get low all the time. And I'm like, it's not because you're bazel. But she couldn't. It's not what she saw. You know. So I explained it all to her, we pushed her bazel up across 24 hours, which scared the heck out of her. And her blood sugar's got better. And she stopped getting low because she was getting high because her bazel was too low. And she was bolusing with no food in her stomach causing a low. And she didn't see that the low bezels were causing the high that was eventually resulting in the low. And I don't know, like there's just something.
Sam Fuld 21:04
Yeah, I mean, I think I think like, we'll keep the diabetes and baseball analogies going, we'll call it like that cast will dissolve this radar technology, and camera vision technology that allows the gives us like, you know, was installed in every major league ballpark, or gives us an incredible amount of information. Now, it's not just about what the ball does, but it's what about, it's what attracts movement of every fielder to replace john. So now, you know, I, you might make the analogy that like statcast is what a Dexcom is. And so we before, we had to just sort of assume that when the centerfielder ran into the gap and made a diving catch, that was a great play. We were able to see how much ground he covered exactly how much hang time the ball had, right how efficient his route was. We didn't have any of that information. It's kind of like going to bed at 150 and waking up at 120. And you go all eyes, I guess it was like this linear path there just stayed steady. But you know, now we know the weather. I know, with my G six and I'm fairly new to it. I've only had it for under a year now. And yeah, it's it's sort of enlightening, like that cast era has been enlightening. For baseball. It's like, Oh, I was actually I was up at 202 am. And then it was a crash down at 4am. And then my like, maybe Yeah, maybe my liver was secreting glucose. Get me back up to 120. Now it's now we can do the same thing. Maybe this got maybe we get to this guy's route efficiency was like 88%, which is not good. And the only reason he made that direct catches because he made a route like Magellan. And it was it was not actually
Scott Benner 22:50
exact run to the lesson. I'll tell you right off the bat. I don't mean your catch. Some of your catches from your career are astonishing, but I don't think you I don't think you count yourself as an incredibly fast runner. Right?
Sam Fuld 23:02
Yeah, that's right. And that's, that's, that's another thing like I'm yeah, I think I was I moved my legs quickly. And I was little and I wasn't. Yeah, I was. Yeah, I would say it was probably like a slightly above average runner, compared to like your average Major League outfielder, but certainly not a burner. Like a lot of people may have assumed I was just because they looked like I was going fast. But yeah, no, I don't think I would have been I think I've provided my defense in other ways, like jumps and route efficiency and just having instance. Yeah,
Scott Benner 23:36
I think you and I talked about this the first time you're wrong years ago, but if you see my kid catch a baseball, I've had people turn to me. He goes What's he wanted like a six 560 I was like, oh god no. But but really watch him he's moving before the guy swings the bat, like he seen more about this than you're thinking about. So he makes it look easy. And he looks like he's flying because because he's there so much sooner than the ball sometimes, you know, and it's, it's interesting, but if you get there too soon, then then all of the, I don't know, like all of the I don't mean, the respect maybe you should get out of that just doesn't happen from a lot of people. They're like, it's it's amazing to watch, you know,
Sam Fuld 24:14
a lot of the best outfielders out there just almost never have to leave their feet. Because they just they put themselves in the right position. They get great jobs, they're just catching the ball on the run, but not having to leave their feet because of either how fast they are or how good their routes are, could get their jumps off.
Scott Benner 24:29
How did you talk yourself into not being afraid to die for balls? And I don't mean the collision with the ground. I mean, the idea that if you miss it, it gets past you. Like it was that like a like I'm gonna just go for it feeling and you found like a vibe or? That's interesting to me.
Unknown Speaker 24:44
Yeah.
Sam Fuld 24:46
I think I just had this sort of, I had confidence from the very beginning. I don't know where I got that confidence. I think it was sort of like this lack of fear and almost recklessness and Just maybe I just trusted that net net, my aggressiveness was going to be a positive, and the sort of the missed balls where you have to do the run of shame back to the wall
Scott Benner 25:13
and show off that your arms not great.
Sam Fuld 25:17
Especially when you're picking it up at a standstill and just swinging in, and open the shortstops around about 100 feet up there to help. Those were like inevitable and you just kind of had to come to grips with that. And you can't be afraid to make mistakes in baseball, like, like you talked about with with coal, like, you can't be afraid to swing and miss and you have to trust it, your swing in the long run is gonna be what's best for you. And I think the same goes for for defensive play that by being aggressive and leaving your feet. As long as you don't do it like completely asinine. Lee like you're, you're, you're gonna ultimately provide a lot more value by being aggressive than if you play things conservatively.
Scott Benner 26:02
Let's take a second everyone. Let's take a second to talk about Dexcom and Omnipod. We'll start with
Unknown Speaker 26:09
Dexcom.
Scott Benner 26:11
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Sam Fuld 29:33
You're, you're gonna ultimately provide a lot more value by being aggressive than if you play things conservatively.
Scott Benner 29:41
Right and so there's a difference between seeing a 300 blood sugar and just randomly dumping a bunch of insulin and hoping for the best and making aggressive decisions that are thoughtful and and so we talk about that here a lot. And I very much hate the term that's just diabetes. I don't like it when people say I got low or I got high, that's just diabetes, I'm always like, no, something happened, you may not see it, but it's there and it exists. And if we figure out what that thing is, then this isn't going to happen as much. And that's how you can get away from the fear part, like so. It's my, after doing this podcast for now, I don't even know how long it's like five years, I believe that what stops people first is fear of insulin, right? Your fear of fear of diving for the ball, having it bounce up, hit you in the face and roll past you or something like that, right? They're free to be insulin, I understand why because there's so many unknowns. But we try to give them I try to give them these kinds of ideas, these tenants that will stop that from being such a problem, and allow them to be aggressive in ways that are thoughtful. So I just I don't know, I see again, I see a lot of a lot of connection to that.
Sam Fuld 30:51
Really, yeah, I think it's when you don't know a lot about something, you tend to be risk averse. And I think I think, you know, we talk about that a lot. The importance of strength training has really obviously evolved, not just within baseball, but of course, in all sports. And I think you could make the analogy there at strength training, like, if you don't know really what's going to cause injury, then you tend to be really risk averse, and you don't do certain exercises that look scary, and you don't do certain exercises that have a lot of load, right a lot of weight to it. So but the more we know about it, like the more we know, it's okay to lift heavy, using the right technique and doing the right exercise and understanding that individual's body. So maybe you can deadlift 400 pounds in the season, knowing that you're doing that taking the necessary precautions, and you have all the relevant information that leads you to believe that it's not going to lead to any injury. And instead, it's going to lead to more lower body strength, and, you know, a cleaner arm action and your delivery and all that. And it'll be a net victory by lifting that that way and that heavily. So I think the same, the same thing goes for. Yeah, for insulin, it's like if you know, taking taking five units of novolog is scary. But if you know that that's what it was gonna take what it'll take to get from 330, back down to 100. And then that's what you have to do,
Scott Benner 32:17
you need to do it. So it's funny when Mike, my son came to me one day when he was I don't know, like 14 years old, and he's like, I'm gonna start long tossing because I want to get my arm stronger. And I was like, Okay, sounds good to me. Now, Sam, we're looking at each other's back. I'm not the dad that you know. I mean, seriously, look at me, we've met in person, right? Right. Like, I'm not the guy you come to for baseball knowledge, you wouldn't think looking at me. But but so it made sense to me what he said. But my first thought was, Oh, God, don't hurt yourself. Like, that's just what I thought initially. And now if you go watch him, he has this whole process that he goes to like, you know, he puts us 10 yards apart, and he starts doing something weird with his arm. And then eventually he's flipping his arm and, and he's got this process, he knows it by like the back of his hand. and a half an hour later, I'm at the back of an end zone on a football field with a bucket. And he's at the back of the endzone on the other side, throwing a ball to me 323 30 yards. And he didn't even start using his legs till he got the 90 yards. And it's because he went through this process over yours. Like, it wasn't like, it wasn't like a long toss today, and my arm will get strong. It took him for ever. And then once he had it, he taught himself how to control it in a game, which is a different animal. Right? Like, like, it's easy to toss the ball really hard. But can you do it when people are screaming when a guy's running, you know, like, all that other stuff is happening. And so I just I wish people understood that. Things don't come easy, like all the time, like, right, like, you don't just get to make a decision, I'm going to do something, it's going to pay me back right away. Something you do today may not pay you back in a way that you can see it for a very long time. Yeah, but I, you know, I, I need people when they're listening to believe that insulin does what it does, right? That if your kids going through puberty, I heard somebody the other day, say my daughter's in puberty, I just give up until this is over. And I'm like, No, but you can't just give up for four years. Like Like, you know, like, like, it's not that hard. And so I got them, you know, personally, and I said, it's just more and she's like, What do you mean, I'm like, diabetes is telling you it needs more from you give it to it, like meet the need, you know, and so it's scary but meeting I had I'm in the first month or two that Arden started getting her period. I'm sure she thrilled to talk about this in the podcast, but I she ate a meal that I knew flat out was 11 units of insulin that I gave her 20 units of insulin for. I mean, it was insane. She weighed 130 pounds. It was nuts. But it's what she needed that day in that scenario at work, right? Yeah, I don't give her that insulin. What's her blood sugar gonna be? 500 all day long. Yeah, you know, same thing. Yeah, I
Sam Fuld 34:58
mean, same thing when I'm sick. If I've got, but I had the flu this spring, and I just knew that it was I was going to almost have to double down my insulin dosage, and I haven't taken I'm pretty insulin sensitive. And I haven't taken more than, say, six units and one injection and 15 years, but I knew at the moment that wasn't my, my, my flew that I would just have to take more. Remember taking like eight or nine units and going Holy cow, this is right. But you trust it that that, that diabetes demanded more out of them. And that's just what you
Scott Benner 35:34
asked me to do. Instead of sitting around and watching, I watch people talk themselves out of the right thing to do so frequently, it's sometimes it's depressing. You know, just the idea of, I say more insulin a lot. Like, I think I'm gonna make it into a T shirt. Because Because somebody will come like, look at all this and they start talking about all these, I'm like, none of this matters. I'm like, you don't have enough insulin, like, just use more insulin. And and it's the simplest answer. It's very frequently correct. And it's the most difficult leap to make. Yeah, because you're afraid. And I understand it. Like, don't get me wrong, like, I you're looking to the guy who, early on, I gave my daughter two different seizures. You know, like, just being like, this is right. And you know, it was with a meter before CGM and all that other stuff. But I just felt like I can't give up. Like, I know that these ideas make sense together.
Sam Fuld 36:27
Yeah. And I will say, you know, it is difficult. You know, lows, lows, think, yeah, those are not fun. And they don't feel good. And so I think whether it's conscious or not, like, we would all as type ones much rather be at 180. Then at 60 in terms of how we feel in the moment, right. So it's, it's, it's human nature to sort of, like, optimize for the short term and go I can I feel fine. It's, you know, either like, let's, let's do it. Yeah. I don't want to be down at 60. Or, like, I don't and I'm guilty of the same. I'm guilty of it myself, especially overnight. Like, I value sleep. I have four young kids and then if I have like, a six hour block to sleep,
Scott Benner 37:11
better believe I don't want to wake up at 3am with the low I want to I want to get every every like minute that I can get and so I understand like the adversity towards lows because it's there's no no other feeling in the world like it. I obviously have an M perspective. I don't have you have diabetes. I'm managing someone that has been it's interesting in that moment. It means so much you we switch spots, you became the angry fan. And I became the guy like trust the numbers. It'll be right here like Screw you, man. I need to sleep.
Sam Fuld 37:45
Spray plastic. Yeah, no, I think Yeah, feeling low might not equate to like, feeling like a disgruntled baseball fan, but I can see. It's still a
Scott Benner 37:53
way you don't want to feel right. That's amazing. Arden's right now, I'm looking at our blood sugar right now. She got a half day from school my son picked up my son wanted to say hi to you, but I I made him pick up Arden from school and take that and so she's eating now and I can see she's getting ready to eat and like where she's putting her insulin and and everything. And it's like the technology is crazy. You know, it's made such a big difference. So you are you're not pumping
Sam Fuld 38:18
right now pumping. No, I've, I've stuck with my lantis and no log program. I've tinkered around with the with a pump a handful years ago, while I was still playing, and I just didn't love it. And I mean, it was it was tandems first a slam there. And, you know, I think it was more about just having like, moving on me it just felt cumbersome. And it just didn't. I wasn't afraid. I mean, I wasn't ready to take that sort of like, step outside my comfort zone and where one while playing. But I just kind of put it on the back burner and I just love it. I am comfortable with the novolog and the lantis right now but I'm also eagerly awaiting like the closed loop system and I think like that the moves that is probably pretty inevitable for me.
Scott Benner 39:12
Yeah, when we're done talking, I'll tell you about something that I've seen. That is pretty amazing. So So I was thinking I tell people all the time to kind of bump and nudge their blood sugar's it's a little wouldn't be difficult for you, I'm sure you don't mind injecting but you know, when we see a 120 diagonal up, we stopped the arrow like we think of it as stopped, they are like to bring it back. It's easier to use a small amount of insulin now to return a 120 to 90 than it is to get higher, you know and fight with it later. It's another reason why I would tell you, if you want to have like crazy success with your Dexcom bumping nudge and move your high alarm down. The lower you move the high alarm, the more you know positive things you're doing instead of like you don't hear the alarm and think Oh God, something went wrong. You hear the alarm and think oh, well I'm about to avoid a problem. I actually have heard from people who said that they used to Have alarm aversions until they started thinking about the way we talked about in the podcast, then they kind of like, Oh, this is an opportunity to do something good. Instead of an opportunity to find out I screwed something. Right? And so and because there's randomness, and there's variability, right, like, there's things that happen that you, you can't plan for them in a way that stops them from happening, but you can have a plan for what to do when they occur, I guess. And it's just it's very, it's very cool to see. But I think of the bumping in the nudging, almost like a field shift. It just, you know, sort of like, Look, if the guy always hits the ball here, why don't we just get ahead of it? Like, why don't we be there. And if he beats us, he beats us. But we put ourselves in the best position. And and I want to ask you, if you agree with me about this. So when infield shifts happen in Major League Baseball, people go out of their minds about it, like you're breaking some sort of a rule that that exists. But outfielders have been shifting forever, and no one ever complained about at one time. Am I right about that?
Sam Fuld 41:01
Yeah, I think it's like, maybe less
Scott Benner 41:03
drastic,
Sam Fuld 41:04
like less aggressive. Yeah, I think like outfielders have always shaded a handful of steps, maybe up to 10 steps in one direction or the other. But I think visually it's not as like jarring as seeing the entire left side of the infield open. Right. So I think it's Yes, while I'll it's existed for a long time, maybe something as kind of, like crazy visually hasn't. And so I can understand why people go like what this is not baseball, but I think as long as like the rulebook states that you can position your players however, want like, how can you not do that? Do that like the same thing? You know what, like the same thing. I like making the football analogy, and I'm not a football expert. But like, if you've got a got an elite wide receiver that you're playing, it's like why not double team every time and leave the other side of the field? To man to man coverage, right? Like you're you're essentially like changing defensive alignment based off of tendencies are basically based off of skill in football. There's no rule that says you have to keep your DVDs in the same spot at all times. Like, why wouldn't you do the same in baseball? Why is baseball any different?
Scott Benner 42:21
If you see a quarterback fold under a blitz situation? Maybe you Blitz the guy because that's what he does it? Yeah, I so I can't wrap my head around it fully. I am going to keep trying because I'm so I'm fascinated by it, like part of me thinks it's a generation of people. And it's funny too, because I'll argue the other way. Like, I would never want you to take an umpire out of a game. Like I don't want a computer to call balls and strikes to me that would like ruin what baseball is. isn't funny. I see that that way. But I don't see I don't see the founding ship that way. So I guess everyone's got their attachment to some idea about what what the game is.
Sam Fuld 42:58
And that's fine. And I like I said earlier, I think that's I I can appreciate all of it. I really can't. I have my own personal opinions. But I can appreciate people who just want to see what, what they've seen. And then that's kind of what baseball is right? Like it's traditional sport. It's that's part of what makes it so awesome is that it's basically the same sport that was you know, we were playing in the late 19th century. And that's pretty cool. Like, there's no other sport in America like that. And I think that certainly the traditional ism of baseball is something we should try to maintain. You know, without, you know, without creating a game, nobody can watch your limits. And yeah, creating a boring game. I think like we should be willing to adapt, but also appreciate that baseball is popular, in part because been around the longest exist. What a cool, yeah, it's really cool that a sport is persistent for so long.
Scott Benner 43:55
It's funny because as I say that, I think my son would say, let a computer called the balls and strikes because if he calls something off the plate, now I'm out of my head thinking it's gonna he's gonna call it again. And now I'm swinging all over the place trying to cover the hump instead of the plate. And so I see the other side of that, too. I listen, I love here's, there's this thing about baseball that I love more than anything. It's because it takes up the time it takes that you have to give yourself over to it. It's like the idea of putting your phone down, right? Like just put your phone down. You go to the game you sit down. I love that somebody can say to me, even at my own kids game, what inning is and I go, I have no idea. But I'm having a great time. You don't mean like we're here where relax, it's going well, are they winning? I don't know. Maybe, you know, like, it feels like I'm just there's something about being there. And I guess if you don't appreciate the small thing, because I've said this a million times if you don't appreciate the unseen things about baseball even in its classic form, it would be easy not to love baseball. And so I think that if you look at how the world progresses and you look at how my son at 19 years old thinks about baseball, there will be a whole generation of people who are going to come up and talk about that. It's great that Dexter Fowler only missed that ball by a step. And, and that he's going to tell his son that and so on and so forth. And, you know, one day, it'll just be this big tapestry of how we got to where we are, I guess.
Sam Fuld 45:18
Yeah, no, I and, you know, I, in a lot of ways, it's like soccer, and I happen to be a big soccer fan, I grew up playing and played through high school. And obviously, like, soccer gets knocked all the time because of its lack of goals. Right. And I my counter to that is that it's art, its art. Just because one, one ball was put in the back of the net over the course of 90 minutes doesn't mean that every minute of those of that action wasn't interesting, because it is art form in it. But it takes a certain level of knowledge to appreciate that. And I think the same goes for baseball, like, you might have a bunch of swings and misses and a bunch of walks and very little action on the field. But like, maybe you're not picking up on the shortstop, like leaning one way because he knew a breaking ball was coming to a left handed hitter, right? Or maybe you're not appreciating the sequencing that a pitcher made when he went with a fastball up the bell, and then follow that up with a, like a 12, six, curveball down, right, like so. You definitely have to understand sort of ins and outs and the nuances of the game to appreciate a swing and miss heavy game. But that's Yeah, that's why like, I think, you know, that's what makes baseball really interesting.
Scott Benner 46:38
I think, too, you need to know, you need to have you have need to love the game enough to understand where the line is like the other day, and you might remember this, I don't remember, I think it was a college game. But some kids throwing a no hitter, and a guy breaks it up by bunting, which to me seems incredibly wrong. And right like, to me, it feels like look, he's beating you. If you can't stop him from beating you by swinging that bat, then he deserves the beat you which also doesn't make any real sense.
Sam Fuld 47:07
But you have some interesting lines that you draw. It's like, you're hard to predict, man.
Scott Benner 47:14
I swear to god Cole goes, Hey, do you see this no hitter guy broke up by a button. I was like, what a son of a bitch. I was like, who would do something like that? Right? And colegas a guy who doesn't want to get no hit and I was like a you know, make it a point. But it just it struck that strikes me like that.
Sam Fuld 47:30
I think if you bought with a note, if you if the intent of the bond is to win the baseball game, then I have no problem with it. Right? If the intent of the blunt is it's 11 nothing and all you're trying to do is break up the no hitter then i think that's that's right.
Scott Benner 47:45
Yeah, it is interesting, right? Yeah. Just with a little more information it becomes clear. Yeah, you can't I just don't like you can't do that to the guys out there killing himself for this you know, and and I have no affinity to pitchers at all like my son doesn't pitch you know like I know some people have like a real like their heartstrings are tied to it. But I don't know I'm I recognize that without good pitching baseball becomes something else. It's not quite baseball anymore.
Sam Fuld 48:12
Yeah. What would you What would your diabetes equivalent of the button?
Scott Benner 48:17
What would my diabetes equivalent of the buffet. Alright, so something's going great. And somebody comes in and screws it. Okay, I got it. All right. So I have this happen to me all the time. People listen to the podcast, they get their agencies to come down appreciably without without crazy lows, right. And then they go to the doctor, and the doctor tells them they're wrong, and starts admonishing them for it. And so this person's having this giant success that they deserve. And then someone comes in for reasons that don't make any sense to me and ruins it for them. It's not an apples to apples comparison. But you got to admit that in 20 seconds, it was pretty impressive. And so and so that happens a lot Sam like people, I get notes. Constantly. I went to the doctor, I was super excited. You know, we got my son's a one c down to like 6.8 it was eight. I go in there and immediately the guy assumes I'm doing something wrong. And yells literally yells at me to stop like you're killing him and and even when sometimes they hold up their Dexcom charts and go No, no, look, the doctor is so lost in his own ideas of how you get an A one see that low. They can't even believe you've done it even when they're showing it. It's it's pretty sad actually. Yeah,
Sam Fuld 49:29
that's too bad. My equivalent would be and I got the advantage of at least 60 more seconds Think about it. But I'm thinking about so in my camp that I do in Tampa. I get to spend a lot of time with parents we hold part of the camp includes a parents seminar. And one of the things that comes up every year as a major source of stress and our major complaint is just coaches. or sort of unfamiliar with C, one D, and how they're how they treat the kid.
Unknown Speaker 50:07
And I think
Sam Fuld 50:09
so my equivalent would be a kid who is out there, let's say he's playing soccer. And he's had a great, you know, first half plane is bought off. And he's got a minor low at halftime and he's 75. And he quickly corrects juicebox, whatever it may be, and he's ready to go. But that coach doesn't let him go out there for the second half, because he's scared or whatever it is, he doesn't have enough knowledge of the disease to under understand that and takes those sort of risk averse approach and keeps the kid on the bench, even though he's just played a really, really strong first half. And but he's got to go sort of adjust and make it make a change. Do you see any correlation between so you played in a few for a few major league teams, but
Scott Benner 50:57
you also played for Madden who thinks about the game differently? And and you tell me if I'm wrong, but did you play for Bob Melvin to dirt, and Bob's daughter has type one diabetes, right? So you play with people who you played for people who don't think that way? They don't think that way about baseball, and they don't think that way about diabetes. Do you think there's Do you think that's randomness that that happened? Or do you think that because you said I saw an old interview with somebody didn't draft you because of your type one, right?
Unknown Speaker 51:30
Yeah, yeah.
Sam Fuld 51:31
I yeah, I tell the story a lot because it's like, probably the only time where I got something tangible. That was like, we didn't do this because of your TV. And it was, yeah, it was some Baltimore Orioles scout who told me in my senior year of college that it wasn't drafted as a junior. They didn't draft me. Um, because of concerns of my diabetes. So yeah. And yeah, I don't know. I would think that like playing for Joe, who is a very smart, understanding, open minded individual and for playing with Bob, whose daughter's type one, I think that's still coincidence. Like, I don't think they were. I don't think Bob was like, we need to acquire the type one.
Scott Benner 52:16
But no, yeah. No, I don't mean that. But do you think they didn't see the type one as an impediment? Because he had perspective on it?
Sam Fuld 52:22
Yes. No doubt about that. Yeah. No doubt about that. And, ironically, Lupin ello is my first manager with the cubs. And Lou was typed today.
Scott Benner 52:35
You can argue this all you want, Sam, but the numbers say that you only play for people who understand how a baby's born or different ideas about baseball.
Sam Fuld 52:41
Oh, boy. Yeah. Who else did I have? I had Ron Gardenhire. Maybe he might have type two diabetes? I don't know. Well, Ron, if you don't, we're sorry.
Scott Benner 52:50
And you and you were in Minnesota for a hot second. Right.
Sam Fuld 52:53
Right. So that's when I had guardians. My man is right.
Scott Benner 52:55
And there. And that also, it's interesting. Because after I think after you was Ben Rivera, there after you,
Sam Fuld 53:03
I think before he had just
Scott Benner 53:05
left. Yeah. So he's you guys are similar players yet to some degree, right. And so there's a type they know, worked for them. And they were saying, Sam, I know better than you do at this point. Okay, so. So, I'm gonna ask you a little baseball stuff here. I don't know how much you can say or not say, but here's some stuff I've been noticing. Has Scott kingery taken a leap? Giant one he has right, I believe? Yes. And is that just time in the simulator? Is it just the sentence I, I, you got to go, you got to fail. You got to see it. So you can do it again. So that, you know, is it just time? Or is it I think already?
Sam Fuld 53:43
Yeah, I think there's a lot going on. I mean, I think, you know, what we saw from Scott last year was, we all knew was not the sort of true version of him. I think, for the first time in his career. He was playing with expectations. You know, he signed that big lead the long term big league deal before he had ever stepped foot in a major league ballpark. And I think for the first time in his career, he was playing with pressure and a significant amount of it. Right. So he was sort of, he's that undersized. kid who's had to sort of overachieve. He wasn't recruited by his hometown College of Arizona state. And instead he had to, you know, he was like, recruited walk on university, Arizona, right. And has always sort of played with a chip on his shoulder. And I can certainly relate to that. And I know what it's like to just in a lot of ways, it's easy to play as an underdog. And all of a sudden last year, he was not an underdog anymore. And there were expectations. And so I think it was, in part just dealing with that daily basis. And once he struggled, at the beginning of last year, it was like he was trying to dig out of this hole that he just couldn't get out of, and this year, that seems to have gone away. I think just having the offseason to like refresh And get his mind right, really helped. And he's back to being who he is, which is this kind of almost cocky little grinder baseball player that we love. We absolutely loved that
Scott Benner 55:13
I really enjoy watching him play. Let me ask you a question because you just said a bunch of things that said that mean in baseball or in sports terms he was pressing, right. Yeah, that's a real thing. But, but it's quantitated. That's quantified by all of the sort of those little other things that you just said. Like if I said define pressing to you. It's not that simple, right?
Sam Fuld 55:33
There are things that lead to pressing i but i think in Scotts This is just my opinion, obviously. But in Scott situation, it's a pretty obvious change in Dynamics and changing environment where you go from a kid who's trying to, like climb the ladder in the minor leagues, and all of a sudden, you've been given this $24 million contract or whatever it may be. That's a pretty significant life change. And that, like, a lot comes with that. And that includes some expectations. So what is it? How does it manifest itself on the field, like, you're probably gripping the bat a little bit tighter, your muscles are tenser. It's really, really subtle, but it's enough to just put yourself in a rut and not be not be who you are. So and, you know, along the same lines, I do think he made some changes to his swing, too. I don't think it was just like a mental thing. I think he made some physical changes as well that it helped him. You know, he struggled with velocity last year he struggled with with fastball up in the zone. And he made some really good adjustments with a swing that has allowed him to get on top of the baseball and hit velocity.
Scott Benner 56:44
It's so funny, because being you know, we started at the beginning, I said Cole was slightly behind. At one point, he says me, What do you say, and I was like your he time he finds time with his bat. And he's got a leg lift. Cole sees his swing as something he's working on forever. My son plays baseball, because he loves it. But he plays baseball to keep playing baseball. And he doesn't want to just succeed in college with a collegiate swing, he wants to if he can't succeed with a swing, that someone could look at one day and go, Hey, that swing still works, then to him, and the type a part of his brain, none of it matters. And so like, so he's got his leg lift. So he starts talking about shoving my knees together instead of my knee up. And I was like, man, I just think your bats just, I think you got one too many in there. And he completely disagrees with me. And just monitors me at that at the fence like in baseball has changed. Like I am now a guy who holds up an iPhone in front of a fence so he can scrub through a swing real quick, which helps him immensely. I know that people a couple of years ago used to think it was I don't know what they thought, but they didn't like it. But I'll tell you that that kid wants to see himself hit and then he deletes it. But he needs to see it for a second. So I noticed that he took like, one bounce out from his bat off his shoulder. And he but he doesn't notice he did it. So I just didn't say anything about it. I just like he just you know, we talked about it. And then he told me I you know, I don't know what I'm talking about. And then some point he did it. No,
Sam Fuld 58:07
it's just a father son relationship. Not letting you know. He agrees. Yeah, I believe me, we get that when players do it. You know, we get pushback from players. Um, maybe it's because of their surroundings. They don't want anyone else to know that they're actually listening to us, but but sometimes I think they are and they're just not, you know, acknowledging so funny. A couple weeks ago, he
Scott Benner 58:29
had a double header and he's like, Oh my god, it's so hot out which I don't know where we live anymore but it gets incredibly hot and then cold and then it rains for six days but but it's incredibly hot out and he choked, man, it's so hot today I said go into the dugout and say guys listen, instead of two sevens. Why don't we just play a nine and somebody can take two wins you know, we'll get out of here. And he he literally looked at me like I was an idiot. And then two weeks later, I overheard him told my wife that he said that to somebody I was like creepy into your boy he would just never tell me that he thought it was amusing. Oh my god. Well Sam we're getting up on an hour. I really can't help thank you enough for doing this. You're literally talking to me as the Phillies are about to take the field in about a half an hour. I am going to put this out right at the all star break. Because I just that's my favorite time of the season. Like I I love to break I don't know why.
Sam Fuld 59:18
But I think it's a great time we do believe me that three or four days stretch feels like three or four weeks and it's something we all look forward to in this industry. I can't get enough All Star breaks. Yeah,
Scott Benner 59:29
I just love the idea that it feels like it's a reset and you get to see who comes out. Like really sprinting to the end like that that about watching baseball and really enjoy. Huge thanks to Sam fold for coming back on the show. And Omni pod Dexcom and dancing for diabetes for continuing to be such great sponsors. If you want to check out Sam's baseball camps you're looking for Sam fold T one D sports camp.org the next camp is February 8, and ninth in Tampa, at the USF campus, age ranges for the camp, eight years old to 17 years old. Sam will be there at the baseball sessions hanging out
Sam Fuld 1:00:14
and running the camps.
Scott Benner 1:00:16
He's a great guy. It's been living with Type One Diabetes for my God. Since he was 10 years old. He understands. I hear from a lot of parents who are looking for professional athletes to show to their children. You know, they can say look, anything is possible. Look at this guy, he's a bla bla bla Major League Baseball, he's this guy does this and samza he Sam's the right guy, smart, he's well educated, understands this type one. He's been living with it for a very long time. He's a great attitude about it. No better person to start with and Sam fold if you're looking for someone to show your kids as an example. And if you want to check out Omnipod Dexcom dancing for diabetes, or Sam's camp and you forgot all the links I told you over and over again, they're right there in your podcast player in the show notes, or at Juicebox podcast.com. Don't forget this Friday and every Friday defining diabetes. Jenny Smith and I give you a couple of quick moments where we define a phrase or word that impacts your life with type one. Sometimes you think you know what a word means, but until you hear Jenny explaining to you. You don't really understand defining diabetes is every Friday on the Juicebox Podcast. Speaking of Jenny, she'll be back very soon with another episode of diabetes pro tip. Wow, you guys love the diabetes pro tips I know you do. If you haven't found them yet. They begin at Episode 210 of the podcast with an episode called diabetes pro tip newly diagnosed or starting over. The feedback I get from you guys is astounding. They've been out long enough now that I'm hearing back from people whose a onesies are falling because of the pro tip episodes. So if you want to say a one See you later, check out the diabetes pro tip series beginning an episode
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