#999 Arden Returns

Arden returns for her third episode.

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Scott Benner 0:00
Hello friends, and welcome to episode 999 of the Juicebox Podcast

Well today's a special episode for a couple of reasons. First off, it's Arden's returned to the show. This is going to be her third episode. And more obviously, this is the 990/9 episode of The Juicebox Podcast, just a crazy milestone on Monday. For those of you kind of listening in real time, Episode 1000 goes up with the rerelease of the diabetes Pro Tip series, why am I re releasing the Pro Tip series? Well, it's been completely professionally, digitally remastered, the information in the Pro Tip series has always been rock solid. But there were some janky microphones being used back then. But now, through the magic of Wizardry, actually, through the magic of Rob, who is the editor for the podcast. I'll tell you more about Rob later. This stuff just sounds brand new. It's absolutely stunning. And I think you're gonna love it. diabetes Pro Tip series will now run from Episode 1000 to 1026 the entire series all in one place so that you can find it, listen and revisit without having to pick through a podcast that

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Arden Benner 2:59
it's back inspire me.

Scott Benner 3:00
Okay. So we're gonna talk right now that microphone, don't forget. How are you? Alright, yeah. This has become a bit of a tradition with us. Right before you go to college. We record a podcast. It's nice, right? It's very nice. Do you actually think it's nice? What do you think?

Arden Benner 3:27
It's time consuming?

Scott Benner 3:28
Oh, please. Were you busy? Yeah. Are you doing on a pack? That is true. You do have to pack? How come you don't pack sooner?

Arden Benner 3:40
This seems personal.

Scott Benner 3:43
Well, what makes you kind of wait till the end.

Arden Benner 3:46
I'm just stressed that I like I don't know, I just,

Scott Benner 3:49
I don't need the pressure.

Arden Benner 3:51
No, I don't need pressure to pack. But I don't want to pack all my stuff away before I leave. Because what if I need it? Which I know I don't but still.

Scott Benner 4:00
Okay. So the concern is if you pack something up, you'll need it and then you won't be able to get to it. But it's mostly clothing right

Arden Benner 4:08
now. I know. It makes no sense.

Scott Benner 4:12
hollows like I have to check something in some headphones. Want to make sure you sound good. My ears. talk again. Hello. Okay. Your voice. Your voice doesn't come up on the audiogram while we're recording. It's really too deep. I mean, my voice is pretty deep and it comes up but you're louder than me. Maybe I could turn your gain up a little and that would help. Try again. Oh. There it is perfect. Okay, so I've tried to have you on the podcast twice. To talk about things specific.

Arden Benner 4:50
I mean, tried. I was here we I don't

Scott Benner 4:53
think we ever got to the thing we were going to talk about no idea what it is we were talking about. No I know and I'm thinking that's fine. Are we going to happen again tonight, but I'm still going to try at the beginning to get a FaceTime call from cool. I'm gonna get a FaceTime call. Hold on a second, everybody, we'll be right back

and try to answer Okay, take two. We just got started, there was a call. Alright, so the first time you came on, what did we talk about? To remember? No, I don't either. Second time, I kind of remember we talked about. I tried to talk about going to school and what you thought was gonna happen at school with your diabetes. He didn't talk about that much. We talked a little bit about your prom, and then other chit chats. But can I ask a question? Like, I'm actually interviewing you? That's why I'm here. That's why you're here. Okay. So I actually think it's interesting to know. First, going away to college for the first time living by yourself for the first time, what was your experience with your insulin management? Like, what? Is your being serious? Like?

Arden Benner 6:13
No, I'm laughing because I honestly, like, I don't have recollection of this. You don't have recollection of when you went to college? But just like, I'm not, I don't know. I'm not like keeping stats or track of any of that.

Scott Benner 6:26
No, I don't mean that. I just mean, like, was it let me ask more general questions. We dropped you off the first night. Were you nervous to take care of?

Arden Benner 6:34
I do not remember being? I don't even remember sleeping there the first

Scott Benner 6:36
night? Okay. How about in the first couple of weeks, like when?

Arden Benner 6:40
I'm telling you? I don't I don't know. It's all just I just, like, if you ask me about it is I just I don't know, I just went to college.

Scott Benner 6:47
Okay. Well, that's good, though. That's an interesting to know, because you don't have any crazy remembrances or bad experiences.

Unknown Speaker 6:55
That's what I know. Okay.

Scott Benner 6:58
So I know, for us, like one of the concerns we had when you left, that's just not a concern, really. But just one of the moments where you're like, I wonder how this is going to be is that when you are here, and something needs to be done during sleeping hours? A low blood sugar to in the morning, that kind of stuff? You do not wake up for that? Yeah, cuz I know that you're here. And that creates like a comfort. No, it's not a comfort. It's like my brain just shuts off. Because I know, I want to take care of myself for like, a little short period of time. Okay. And but when you got to college, I have to say, from my perspective, I thought you were right on top of it.

Arden Benner 7:34
Yeah. Cuz I go to sleep knowing that no one's taking care of me.

Scott Benner 7:39
So do you sleep differently because of that?

Arden Benner 7:41
Yeah. Can you describe I don't sleep as heavy at school.

Scott Benner 7:45
You don't sleep as heavy at school? Yeah, he is. But that's not on purpose. It just happens. It's interesting. So we basically sent you with we basically set you with a five pound bag of gummy bears. And a bunch of juice boxes. Yeah. And did you use many of them? I don't know how you think you did?

Arden Benner 8:12
I know you were the only one I picked up did I?

Scott Benner 8:15
Yeah. I mean, honestly, I didn't think you went through as much of it as I thought you would. There was only a couple of times while you were gone that in the middle of the night. I had to like call you and wake you up. But for the most part, I thought it went really smoothly, honestly, like very, very smoothly. So you don't remember being nervous about it or concerned or anything like that just kind of integrated into what you were doing. Yeah. Okay. Well, that's good to know. Did you? Do you have any apprehension about telling three people you've never met before about how to help you like on like, day one, you're talking to these new roommates and explaining diabetes to them and glucagon and stuff like that? Did that bother you having to do that? No, not at all. Do you think they had any weirdness about it? Or do you think they dealt with it pretty well?

Arden Benner 9:10
Fine. I don't. I mean, I don't think there's any weirdness. And if there was, I wouldn't care.

Scott Benner 9:18
But, but nobody was like, Oh, this is weird. Or don't tell me about this.

Arden Benner 9:23
That's never happened to me my entire life. I don't think

Scott Benner 9:27
Do you think they really know what to do?

Arden Benner 9:31
I'm like, if I'm having a seizure, yeah. Yeah, they know what to do. They used to do. We just, we would do this thing where randomly, one of my roommates she would be like, she'd like, yell out, just like randomly went like, in the middle of the day or something. She'd be like, it's happening. And then they'd all run into my room and like, pretend I'm having a seizure, and I'd have to get on the ground or whatever. And they would like find the test thing and then like, do it We do it like once a month, like when they do like fire drills at school.

Scott Benner 10:04
It's a good idea. Was that their idea? Yeah.

Arden Benner 10:06
Well, I mean, they thought it was funny. So like, we would do it but also, like, ever. Like, each month a different person would get to like, put the thing like me.

Scott Benner 10:15
Oh, like be the lead person. Yeah. It's like, Did it help? Do you think for them to see that trainer pen for the genotype open?

Arden Benner 10:22
Yeah, probably until you sent me the wrong one. And then we didn't have it. So we were

Scott Benner 10:26
hilarious after the first time we did. You had like the wrong glucagon and one of your drawers. You were carrying hypo pen in your bag. But the needle was in your drawer. I think they would have ripped it open it figured it out.

Arden Benner 10:37
I mean, I'm sure I don't think they would have just stood there been like, oh, nevermind. That's how he taught me. So I guess we'll just leave. Do you

Scott Benner 10:45
think the fire drills will continue in your sophomore year?

Arden Benner 10:49
I don't know. Maybe when I don't have my own room. So it's gonna be different.

Scott Benner 10:55
Two of them, or all three of them value on Dexcom.

Arden Benner 11:01
Two of them because of the one who lives in the room. I feel like names are weird, but the one who lives like next to me would just hear what was happening. So she would just wake up

Scott Benner 11:11
on your phone. Did that happen? Did she ever be like on your phone is beeping?

Arden Benner 11:15
She was asleep? The two of you were better chances I would wake up and she would.

Scott Benner 11:21
Okay. And I don't want to use people's names either. But

Arden Benner 11:26
how do we describe them? Give them fake names.

Scott Benner 11:29
You're gonna give them fake names. Okay, so I'll be I'll bleep out their real names later. Who do you want? What do you want to call? Robin? Robin? Okay. So and what you want to call

Arden Benner 11:43
Jules?

Scott Benner 11:44
Robin angels. And is.

Arden Benner 11:49
M um she's, you pick one

Scott Benner 11:54
row, I get to pick. I'm gonna pick a name. I think she would hate Heather. Okay, so Robin, Jules and Heather. Heather doesn't have Dexcom she's in the room with you. Yeah. Robin just set at 55. Right. Her her. Her only alarm was 55.

Arden Benner 12:11
I didn't do the like, if my blood sugar was high alerts for them.

Scott Benner 12:15
Right. So they would So in an effort not to bother them in case you went to like 68 or something like that. You don't want their phones beeping? Yeah,

Arden Benner 12:23
it's just like emergency. Okay. Also.

Scott Benner 12:27
Jules Jones also had an a 55 alarm. Yes. Okay. Now that you're gonna be in a room by yourself, do you think you could get Heather to put an alarm on her phone too? Or do you think it still wouldn't wake her up?

Arden Benner 12:40
There's not even a point in that. So. I mean, she'll do it. But like, there's no point.

Scott Benner 12:45
She's not going to hear? No. Okay.

Arden Benner 12:47
No way. All right.

Scott Benner 12:51
When you first got the school we had, like, we went through all these. I was gonna say machinations. I'm not sure if you know that word. But we went through all these things to get set up. And one of the things we were like, well Arden's gonna, like, you know, your school spread out across the big kind of across the town. And we thought, well, what if Ardennes all the way across town, or pod expires, or errors or something? She's gonna have to go all the way home to get insulin. How's that going to happen? So we did work it out with the past, right? Like you could call security at any time.

Arden Benner 13:23
I never did that. You know what I did? I said, I gotta go. And they're like, why? And I'd be like, I got I got a medical problem. And they'd be like, Oh, don't worry about I mean, it. The whole college thing is a joke. If your professor is fine with it, just say I have a medical issue. And if they're a decent human being, they'll say, okay, no big deal. And you just walk out the door.

Scott Benner 13:46
Okay. But we but it's not wrong, right? You could have called a phone number and had security come get you take you to your room waiting for you to change your pump and come back. I mean, they said that, but I probably wouldn't have even tried it. I know you wouldn't have but we did have it set up. Is that right? Yeah. Okay,

Arden Benner 14:02
I started to just drive my car to class though, at a certain point. So I could have just left it right, but

Scott Benner 14:07
you're not trapped. My point is you're not traveling with insulin to class. You're not bringing extra pumps or Dexcom or anything like that with you to class. You'll just go back if you have a problem. Did that ever happen? Yeah, he just went back and changed your stuff. Yeah. Okay,

Arden Benner 14:25
actually have the hiccups. But I'm also we had a situation where my was it? My one of the devices had a battery in it. And the battery stopped working when I left class, or when I left my room. And so the whole thing is like you got to get on the bus. You have to leave about an hour before your class to get to class because it's like a city. So if I had class at three, I'd be like I leave my room at like to get on them. So 215 get there at 245 Class starts at three, my classes are like three hours, three and a half hours long. So I'm there for like, so long, and then get back home. Like you don't get back home like till like five hours after like you leave,

Scott Benner 15:16
right? Um, are you thinking, by the way, have the Reilly link,

Arden Benner 15:19
maybe something's not working and it needed batteries. So we have like, this whole thing set up and I, I could not miss this class. Like, it was like the end of the quarter or something. And I was like, I needed to be this class. Like, like, I actually had to be there for a grade, I couldn't go back. So I was like, What am I going to do? And it was my first quarter at school, too. So I was like, like, what am I going to do? So I called? I called Robin. And I was like, Are you at home? And she was like, Yeah, I'm here. Why? What's up? And I was like, you know, like, my battery sounds working for this and that, like, are they like, do I have any like, I didn't even know if I had them. And she was like, Yeah, you have some here. And Robin Anna, what's her name, Jules are together. And I was like, okay, like, maybe she can take it. But then I remembered that Heather also had class in the same building as me. And I was like, shooting again, on the same buses me as possible. She's still at home, and she can grab them or whatever. So I was like, I need you to like, run downstairs and see if she's still there and try to give her the batteries. But she was like, gone by then. So and I wasn't gonna make her turn around. Like, I'm not going to do that. Like, if anything, I'll just get on the bus and go back. So I'm trying to figure out what to do. New Character in our life. Justin, Justin is one of our friends. And he also has classes. But so I'm running through a list of people. Now I'm like, Who has class here? So Heather is my roommate. And we had just become roommates, like two weeks prior to this because we had a whole roommate situation. And she ended up moving in, but she's gone. I can't get her to do anything. Now. I'm like, Who else is in this building? I texted another friend who I had class with my new drove there. And I was like, Do you have batteries at home? And she's like, No. And I'm like, Oh, my God, so much. I forgot what to do. And then finally, Justin, the new character that we've just introduced. I was like, I texted him and I'm like, Are you at home? And he's like, yes. And I was like, please stay where you are like, what and he had already been like walking to the bus. And thank God Robin. Speedy, ran downstairs and call them as he was getting on the bus and through the through the back, like literally through them the batteries like in the bus. So he got to the building. I ran outside. I grabbed them from him. I was like, thank you so much. And I went into my room and everything. But that was Oh my god. I felt like I was working like on it like a movie. Like I was like trying to get everything. Yeah, it was crazy.

Scott Benner 17:50
I misspoke a moment ago. It's the orange. It was the orange link. It took two AAA batteries. Yes. And I know that's gone because you're not

Arden Benner 17:56
using it. Yeah, that by the way. That was like a week before you gave me something else. It was really helpful. No, it was awesome.

Scott Benner 18:02
Just try it. Yeah. Yeah. So okay, so So I think the point is, is that you had a problem, and you worked it out. That's it. Like,

Arden Benner 18:12
I was trying to tell a story because it's a podcast, but yes, that is,

Scott Benner 18:15
but I'm just for people listening.

Arden Benner 18:17
I'm not coming at you. I'm just saying I'm trying to get listeners. I liked the way you're talking.

Scott Benner 18:21
Don't worry. I'm just saying I'm re encapsulating what you said, because I think people worry that their kids are going to get somewhere and just be like, bummed Fazal, not know, I

Arden Benner 18:31
mean, some of your kids not me, but some of them. I know a couple

Scott Benner 18:37
but you were you were able to kind of like whip it together and do what you needed to do. And you incorporate other people. So speaking of Robin and Jules and Heather, we were able to keep you all together for next year for next year as a sophomore. So we basically had them designated as how would you put it? Like, what is when people Oh, help them? What

Arden Benner 19:02
are those called? Emotional like emotional support people? Yeah, we

Scott Benner 19:05
basically turn them into emotional support people instead of emotional support animals, so we've got them designated by the school as important to your diabetes care. Yeah. And then they were able to stay together with you when you guys move out of freshman housing into sophomore housing. You guys have a bigger apartment now everybody gets their own room. And that's pretty cool. They don't have to wear a vest with like a logo that says don't pat me or anything they do. Would that be great?

Arden Benner 19:28
Can you imagine I'm like actually she doesn't speak to people don't directly don't directly looked at her. Oh, look at her.

Scott Benner 19:36
She's just she's my emotional support person. But anyway, that was really nice to the school to like, do that. It was not a common thing. But one of the reasons we So you moved into an apartment, it's still it's still housing at the school, but it has its own kitchen which is very important. Because an IV I said this on the podcast a number of times, but I want you to talk about a little bit. I think the biggest surprise about you going away to college was how terrible the food was, and how much of an impact it had on your blood sugar and everything. So when we went on the tour, I remember touring the school and going into that cafeteria that freshman captains guys

Arden Benner 20:22
are sitting there and you talk to them. I remember that. Yeah. And I just

Scott Benner 20:25
never thought, Oh, finally, because Cole went to college and Whole Foods situation was bad. Yeah. And

Arden Benner 20:30
mine wasn't bad like that. But it was just unhealthy.

Scott Benner 20:33
Yeah, so it's one of those things where when you look at it, it's like new and clean, and there's a big selection. But when you really stop and eat it every day, it's just fried food and processed food and crappy food. And it took a lot of insulin.

Arden Benner 20:46
Yeah. And so after you eat, you don't feel like you've eaten anything.

Scott Benner 20:50
Because just empty carbs. Yeah, empty calories. Yeah. I can remember you're not gonna remember this. But you were only there a couple of days. And I sent you a text. I was like, aren't you gonna Bolus because your blood sugar was shooting up? And you were like that? I promise. Like, look, I put in so much insulin for this. I counted the carbs, right? Like this whole thing. And you really you had and I missed a massive amount of insulin. I didn't touch the food. And so you use. I mean, I would

Arden Benner 21:18
change my pods more frequently than they weren't making

Scott Benner 21:21
it three days now. Do you think

Arden Benner 21:25
I ate like, twice a day? Like I do three meals a day? There's days where I only eat once a day, because I was like, I don't even I don't even have time to go eat food right now.

Scott Benner 21:35
If you were like a low carb person, could you have eaten in that cafeteria?

Arden Benner 21:39
I don't even know what you would eat there.

Scott Benner 21:41
I don't know. If you were a low carb person. You don't know what you could? I don't even know. Yeah, I make that point to people sometimes. Like if you're gonna think you're gonna, like, raise somebody very low carbon sent him to college, and they're going to eat on campus, it's going to be hard to find items. But anyway, that was really,

Arden Benner 21:57
I don't even I don't know, I think there's one college I heard of that has, like a good dining hall. And it's UMD. Right? Yeah, apparently their food is like, amazing. And that's all I know. There's

Scott Benner 22:08
one in the Northeast Two that has like, great. Bow Dine, maybe. But I mean, it's like a school. I think it was like $80,000 here to go to. So you would think they'd give you a decent piece of fish. You know, in that situation. But I mean, that was tough, because there was a big adjustment. And I can tell you, like from my perspective, not being there was a little hard because I was like, she needs a lot more insulin. And I had to just trust that you were gonna figure it out.

Arden Benner 22:32
Yeah, like when you didn't trust me on the way home from class on time. You're like, Oh, you're

Unknown Speaker 22:36
gonna know you're getting low. You're really low.

Arden Benner 22:38
i Well, I'm well aware. I'm an adult.

Scott Benner 22:41
It's not so now you. I hope you understand. It's not that I don't trust you. It's not the point. Like Trust has nothing to do with it. You're walking home from class. It's like 730 at night. Your blood sugar's falling really fast. I know how it works. Yeah. And I can't get to you. Yeah, I got it. Like, even if I had to call the cops right, then I wouldn't know where to tell them. You are? Oh, yes, you

Arden Benner 23:02
would. You got you got my location. Oh, I couldn't.

Scott Benner 23:04
Yeah, I guess I could have figured that out. It's still scary. Can you see it's scary.

Arden Benner 23:07
I mean, I did it. But I mean, at some point, come on, like I've had, I've had the disease for enough unknown period of time. Like, I was gonna take care of we

Scott Benner 23:16
adjusted well, mom just sleeps through it. She doesn't if you go you go. But she, but I'm, I'm okay. Actually, I sleep well, when you're at school. I don't have any problems. I actually, I have to say I hear the alarms better when you're not here than I do when you're here. I don't know. Because it feels more important because of the distance. Like because now it's not just me getting up and walking down the hall. It's me having to get you on the phone. And that's, you know, that's scary. Because if I can't get to you, if I can't wake you up, then you got to go start bouncing around to the other girls, and try to wake one of them up to go do it. And that happened like one one time one of them. Like your dad called you have to drink this,

Arden Benner 23:57
I think but it was like, right, I had woken up right? Like they were walking in. But I would always get like text messages and it was like juice juice. I'm like, in the middle of just like class, and I'm doing like ding ding ding ding and my teachers like silence your phones and I'm like, What the heck's going on? Like it's like juice juice. I'm like, it's they're not even like trying to notify me they're just trying to like me. I'm like, like, I know, I know. I know.

Scott Benner 24:23
So your friends are like you're low let's go do something.

Arden Benner 24:26
If I looked up the juice box emoji and like my messages I'd probably have like seven detects.

Scott Benner 24:32
I actually am very hopeful because we just switched your algorithm. I don't think you're going to have as many lows and you didn't have I want to

Arden Benner 24:40
be clear seem to say that sentence quite a lot. I know right?

Scott Benner 24:43
But I don't think you first of all, you didn't have a ton of lows. It wasn't like it wasn't like you spent the whole semester like oh my god, I'm dying.

Arden Benner 24:50
Like what was our amazing when you're about to eat dinner? Why makes dinner better? Low blood sugar makes dinner better. It makes me hungry makes you better had just the food tastes better. No, actually, no, it just makes you more hungry. So it's like, because I'm not really I don't, I don't have like, I'm not like sitting there and I'm like craving eating something. Um, you're not less awesome, really great. I mean something. But I'm not like naturally I'm not like, Oh, I'm so excited to eat dinner. But then when your blood sugar is low, you're like, so excited to eat dinner. Yeah,

Scott Benner 25:22
I got that. So, okay, so overall, good experience. Did diabetes impact negatively your college experience?

Unknown Speaker 25:34
I don't think so.

Scott Benner 25:38
mean, if you're not sitting here thinking it was ruined?

Arden Benner 25:40
I mean, it could have been better without it. But no, not particularly.

Scott Benner 25:47
Okay, that's good. Can you please tell the story of I really hope you'd help. Please tell the story of the British teacher who sees your Omni pod?

Arden Benner 25:58
No, I know why? Because I gotta make a reputation for myself one day. So no, I'm not telling the story because you don't want to do it. Because what if I gotta go back to her and I need something from the source.

Scott Benner 26:10
I think it's lovely. I don't think it's a bad story.

Arden Benner 26:14
I don't think it's like, endearing.

Scott Benner 26:16
I don't know. I just thought it was interesting how I see now I can't tell it. If you should just be brief,

Arden Benner 26:23
then. There's no way to be brief. You just tell the story. You don't

Scott Benner 26:26
okay. But you're so good with her accent.

Arden Benner 26:28
I was I was not going to do we're not gonna do the accent. I was not. Alright.

Scott Benner 26:33
I just so to me the story was, I can talk about it. To me the story is that she sees your pomp. She doesn't know what it is. She inquires about it.

Arden Benner 26:44
No. By the way, after I tell her what it is, she tells me a 15 minute long story about a student she had last year, who was a type one diabetic who designed the whole fashion line for people who have an AMI pod. And I was like, Wait, what are we talking about right now,

Scott Benner 27:04
though, in my mind for humor. The whole story is the first sentence she speaks to you. When she looks at it. She asked me what was wrong with me. But in the accent, it's so much better.

Arden Benner 27:15
The I'm one of the like woman who does our eyebrows asked me that to where we make threaded a couple of weeks ago, she pointed to my arm and she was like, What's wrong with you? And I was like, okay, um, I mean, a couple of things. What were you talking about?

Scott Benner 27:34
By the way, the people who listen know that we get our eyebrows threaded together. Yeah. But you said I have to I have to lay off for a little bit. Yeah, just

Arden Benner 27:41
the person years out a little bit. They made happens to me too. You just have to let them grow in for like a month or two and then go back into shape again.

Scott Benner 27:49
Okay. I'll wait then.

Arden Benner 27:52
Not me. I can just wait like a week. And then I can get my hair grows very

Scott Benner 27:55
so. Very, very quickly. You just call it Arden just colored her hair. And in two days, you could see your roots.

Arden Benner 28:02
Yeah, I like bleach bleach blonde like platinum white. And not you. I don't even think it was two days later. I think it was like 36 hours.

Scott Benner 28:13
It looks like it looked like a little black and was hanging on to each hair on your head. It was that quick. It popped out? Yeah, that's really crazy.

Arden Benner 28:21
Just means we spend more money to get it done. Are you excited?

Scott Benner 28:26
I'm very excited to spend more money to make your hair platinum. Yeah. When you come home, you're here to relax. Like for sure, obviously. But you lose your rhythm on a number of different things. Like your

Arden Benner 28:42
I did two months in the winter to come home and just like, melt into a puddle sleeping bottle. Yeah. Right. And then I get three months in the summer to come home and melt again. So yeah, sorry, I don't have a rhythm.

Scott Benner 29:05
It's so I don't. I do understand because it's a thing that happens to everybody.

Arden Benner 29:10
Also, as I get older, I just don't have the energy to do anything anymore to take care of yourself. Yeah. Like this whole thing that we're doing right now, I bet if you listen to like an interview we did a year ago or two years ago, I was so much more like, upbeat and like, what was that back at you?

Scott Benner 29:33
I don't know. You're, I mean, you're maturing, but

Arden Benner 29:36
I've always been a chore but like I just I can't even so much energy goes into talking. So much energy goes into getting out of bed. So, so much energy goes into taking a shower. I can't do it all

Scott Benner 29:53
at all. So but my question is, is that once a week every time you've come home It's like, it's like you've had a pattern at school like I'm gonna take my tiersen and my T three at this time of night and you do it right.

Arden Benner 30:07
Yeah, every night. I don't think I've like missed the night ever very just like finals week is when I started. I sent you with everything I sent

Scott Benner 30:14
you with vitamins. You took them. I sent you with a basketball you took it I sent you with your terrorists and you TokiToki you die but everything we get home, and it's like you don't remember any of that exists.

Arden Benner 30:23
Oh, no, I know it exists. I know is the thing you're

Scott Benner 30:27
giving away to give yourself a break. Cuz you never you don't ignore your I've never seen you burn out on your diabetes. Like be like

Arden Benner 30:37
that's a life or death situation of vitamins that are gonna kill me. Like, maybe I'm just gonna kill myself today. But let me take my vitamin. So

Scott Benner 30:47
you say you actually do feel like even just you feel burned out from taking the vitamins as an example. Which is so much work. Yeah. But you've never turned that onto your diabetes. I've never seen you like, I'm not bolusing for this or you don't do that.

Arden Benner 31:03
Yeah, I feel like I just had this that's a life or death situation. Do I have to tell you

Scott Benner 31:07
the magnesium helps make poopy. Like, that's not a thing you want to happen down

Arden Benner 31:11
show and I can just not take a poop for today. Okay.

Scott Benner 31:16
But you do have any doubt that we're going to pack your stuff up, send you back and you're going to boom, just jump right back on and have a pattern that you you fall.

Arden Benner 31:24
That's the way things go. Okay. I mean, if I don't then Well, it's nice knowing you.

Scott Benner 31:32
So this is the first time so so far. Every time you've gone to school we've driven you or you've driven with somebody. But this is it like you're going back by yourself in a car by yourself driving all the way to where do I have to tell people you go to school? Remember you were on the podcast one time you're like, tell them I go to Chicago or something like that.

Arden Benner 31:54
Oh, did I let's change it.

Scott Benner 31:57
They know where you go. By the way. I mean, I get emails. I just got an email from a lady. I swear to you three days ago. Hey, I hear there's a storm coming. If Arden needs anything. I'm very close to her school.

Arden Benner 32:06
Yeah, because I go to school in Florida. Obviously, so

Scott Benner 32:12
you're gonna make about a 14 hour drive. Not 15 by yourself. Yeah. And so we're gonna, this is the I mean, you're a good driver. And you've driven distances before you drove from school to where Cole is to visit for hours. That's that's four hours of highway driving. You did fine.

Arden Benner 32:33
Yeah, put on my little, my little Arden bento station. yourself, right? It's for you. Yeah.

Scott Benner 32:40
And but what did you bring with you for, like, low blood sugars when you're driving and having to be like 30 minutes into the drive to so 30 minutes into your ride? You got low.

Arden Benner 32:49
I was like, Oh, what did you do? That's how I felt I opened a juice box. And I mean, it wasn't difficult,

Scott Benner 32:59
but it wasn't like some crazy low. You were just drifting? Well, yeah. Okay,

Arden Benner 33:02
so I took care of it. I went, it's a little dizzy up here. But I'm gonna keep driving, and I'll just start to juice. Is that as far? Whoa,

Scott Benner 33:13
do you think you should have pulled over? No. Safety first. But so this is a big one. Like you're gonna make about a six hour drive, you're gonna stop at a friend's house, a family friends, you're gonna spend the night then you're going to probably cleave off the next eight or so hours on another drive? Are you nervous about that at all?

Arden Benner 33:34
No, I'm actually very excited to make my first stop and get food. So you know, like when you go on a long drive, and you make your first stop, and then you get your like bag of food for the rest of the trip. And it's got like your chips and your candy. And sure some, like terrible muffin. I'm so excited to make that trip, but it's gonna be hard to do. Because how am I gonna like, I'm gonna need to put the chip bag in a good spot to place

Scott Benner 34:01
the car. Now we've I think we've highlighted basically the two big scary things about driving across the country by yourself.

Arden Benner 34:09
Right? I honestly I don't know, what are the two big scary things.

Scott Benner 34:12
I mean, the two worst things that we can imagine your blood sugar gets too low and you're by yourself in your car. That's the one thing we're trying to avoid

Arden Benner 34:19
blood sugar. Just don't let it get low and lock your door.

Scott Benner 34:23
Okay. And then the other things easy. We're worried about. I mean, I'm worried about is, you know, human trafficking, assault things like that. Yeah. Like you being by yourself. Should you have a plan like when you get out of a restaurant, you're going to try to look frumpy? You know, wear a hood?

Arden Benner 34:39
Googly googly. To try to look scary. No, you know really,

Speaker 1 34:43
really? Oh, you just really Googly at them. See if that runs them away.

Arden Benner 34:49
Yeah. It by the way. 100% works. I've had 100% success rate with that. tried it on every person I know at school. They all get stuck. And, and it's enough time to do whatever you got to do you want to punch him in the face. You want to run your I take him on the balls. You can do whatever you want Googly, Googly, literally. I mean, there's a, you don't just say the words verbally, verbally. You gotta do the hands and the voice, but it works.

Scott Benner 35:15
So what did we always joke privately? No one if you somebody tried to grab you to like human trafficking, you would just tell them.

Arden Benner 35:22
You're diabetic. But also, we realized that might be terrible, because what if they're like, Oh, perfect. You're gonna run out of insulin, and you'll just be dead. No time. I won't even have to kill you. Oh, enough to kill you. Yeah, wait. So

Scott Benner 35:33
we've gone back and forth on it. Like, do we just say, Hey, I'm going to be too much of a hassle. You don't want me? Or is that a downside? Yeah, we can't decide.

Arden Benner 35:43
I don't know what I would say. Like, do you do you tell them that you're? Do you tell them that like your dad's a sheriff? Or is that like, are you just automatically dead?

Scott Benner 35:54
Say my dad is Liam Neeson? If you take me,

Arden Benner 35:58
I'd be like, I'm like, who's your favorite celebrity? That is my father.

Scott Benner 36:02
Would you like an autograph? Let's go find the phone. I'll call him for you.

Arden Benner 36:06
Like you don't look Spanish. And I'd be like, Well, I'm adopted.

Scott Benner 36:11
I know. Antonio Banderas is my father.

Arden Benner 36:14
That's actually funny story. That's a funny story ever since my kids.

Scott Benner 36:20
I don't know if you know, but Robert Rodriguez. He directed that he originally made a low budget film called El Mariachi and just get real deep. He is my godfather. So I've been at his house multiple times whenever he makes his pizza from scratch. That's the thing I know Robert Rodriguez does. I don't know why I know that because you do it too. That's not why,

Arden Benner 36:40
by the way, haven't had the pizza from scratch in two years.

Scott Benner 36:44
We didn't do that the whole time. You were home didn't do that.

Arden Benner 36:46
I didn't get my lobster mac and cheese.

Scott Benner 36:49
I can make the pizza for you, though.

Arden Benner 36:52
I am here not the lobster mac and cheese. That's all I heard. And that was

Scott Benner 36:56
the thing you dropped on me two days ago. Can you make me lobster mac and cheese before I go?

Arden Benner 37:00
Okay, t minus four days before exit. You can't make lobster mac and cheese. Oh, I know. What are you super busy? I don't

Scott Benner 37:07
even know if first of all, I make a podcast. And I'm very excited. Sorry. It's a lot of work. It's a lot of work. So we did a thing a little late. We switched your algorithm to something else. But it's working well. And I'd like to stick with it. We can always switch back if you don't like it. Do you have enough comfort with it? Or do we need to go over a little just buttons? I'll figure it out. You'll figure it out. Great. Okay, so you have enough comfort with it that we can go along? The last time you so your your years broken up oddly different than other schools really? So you're gonna go back? Start early September? And then would you like

Arden Benner 37:46
me to tell it? Yeah. How

Unknown Speaker 37:47
does that go?

Arden Benner 37:48
Okay, I'll go back. I start classes on the 11th. And then I will come home like a week before maybe four or five days before Thanksgiving. And then I won't end up going back to school until January like sixth or seventh probably. And then I'll be there. And then we'll get a spring break in like March or April at some point, but it's going to be like not even a week long or 10 days, I guess. But it's like, based on how far I am. 10 days is like too much time to just sit in your dorm room but not enough time to go home. So you just don't end up going home you like find something near you. And then I don't end up going back home until June 1. So I'm there for like six months straight. So for

Scott Benner 38:40
the 10 day guy, we can fly you back.

Arden Benner 38:42
I don't know. We'd rather just drive myself back

Scott Benner 38:46
everything you'd lose three days. Three days

Arden Benner 38:48
a day each way. I can do it on one trip.

Unknown Speaker 38:53
I don't know if that's a good idea. Personally, I

Arden Benner 38:55
think it is. Okay. Also, I probably won't do that. I'll probably just stay Yeah,

Scott Benner 39:02
make friends.

Arden Benner 39:03
Well not

Scott Benner 39:07
just work get your work done. Maybe I'll maybe I'll melt into a puddle.

Arden Benner 39:10
Maybe Oh this is good. You know since I'm in Florida. You guys could go on a trip. Go south. Everyone call it power is gonna go home though.

Scott Benner 39:21
Yeah, well, we'll figure out what you could just fly home. It's a cheap there's a really cheap flight from where you are to here. Like like 100 bucks.

Arden Benner 39:30
I don't I just like planes. I don't the airport thing. I hate that little tiny airport. No, it's not the point. It's not planes. I'm fine on the plane. I hate going through security.

Scott Benner 39:43
Alright, this is a pretty small airport. It's still very slow that has nothing didn't we get here locally? You don't have to go to Newark.

Arden Benner 39:49
Why would we be in your Newark? We don't live near New Orleans.

Scott Benner 39:52
I'll tell people where we live. It's a pretty vague description Don't you think Newark Yeah, cuz

Arden Benner 39:58
we live in a Manhattan 100%

Scott Benner 40:04
not where you think. All right. So you're not concerned you're not worried. The first semester went fine. The biggest thing was the food. Now, one of the things we said we were going to do this summer that we 1,000,000% did not do recipes. Yes, like, pull some recipes together.

Arden Benner 40:21
I can find a recipe on the internet and just make something

Scott Benner 40:23
you'll be okay. Cooking for your son.

Arden Benner 40:25
I'm a I mean, you know, men are cool, but I'm a woman I can make myself. This is what we were made for.

Scott Benner 40:34
I was built because it's 1953. You it's different. Because it's all ingredients. You have to figure out the carbs a little differently. Oh,

Arden Benner 40:45
yeah, got it. I'll be fine. You'll be there's a harder thing to face. Okay, good in life.

Scott Benner 40:49
I like that. I think it's good. How are you enjoying school?

Arden Benner 40:53
Do you mean last year? Yeah. You know, it's it is what it is? And what is it? Here's the thing that you are will learn once you get older. Oh, you young uns out

Unknown Speaker 41:08
there definitely talking to people who are 20 like 62 years old god

Arden Benner 41:11
yeah. Anyways, um I Love Actually, my cousin said this earlier today. She was like, you're very much a person who likes to romanticize real life and make it like, seem more fun. And like big, because I like to do that. Like, my end goal was like to live in New York City and have a fashion company and like, how I mean, how realistic is I mean, it's going to be realistic. That's the goal. But like, How realistic is this whole thing? You know what I mean? But once you just like, I don't know, like, once you just like live on your own, you realize how simple everything is? Like, life is very boring. Right? Which is so sad. Yep. Wish you all the best. But life is so boring. Like it's just repetitive. And you do the same thing every day. And this and that. So I like to sit outside everyone smile for a couple of hours and just look at the trees. Yeah, but we don't know where I was. What did you ask me?

Scott Benner 42:07
I asked you how you're enjoying school? Oh, you said here's the thing.

Arden Benner 42:10
Oh, right. Right. Right. Yeah, let's get to that. Um, so school is fun. So like, you go to art school in Florida, and totally gonna make them think that and you think it's gonna be like this whole thing? Because like, you see all these videos and like what they show you and it is like that. But it's also like, school. Yeah. And so what

Scott Benner 42:33
social media does, they show you like a bite of the best part of it. And that's not nearly the whole thing. It's a couple of experiences you have over a few months,

Arden Benner 42:42
the best part of school or the I would say the best part of going to my school. It like I'm gonna have like the classes and everything, but it's like, finishing a project. But the feeling you get from that, because like, you don't think you're gonna die. Like you finish it and your whole body's like, Huh? And then just like hanging out with your friends. Not even like not going out with them not like going to places or doing anything just literally sitting in a room together and talking that and finishing projects are probably the best parts of college.

Scott Benner 43:14
But you met that handsome boyfriend though. They're playing movie.

Arden Benner 43:17
Miles Teller. Yes. I know when he heard my name, turned around, looked utterly confused and walked away. So you know, whatever

Scott Benner 43:27
famous people did you meet when you were there.

Arden Benner 43:29
I didn't really meet everyone but he was there. Janelle Monae was there. Jenna Ortega was there. Sydney sweet Sweeney was there. I believe you're sending me I don't know that. What do you do? You can look her up later. Okay. You know Jenna Ortega. That person. She's the Wednesday girl. Yeah, that I got you and you know, Janelle Monae.

Scott Benner 43:49
Janelle Monae is that girl who I think of as being a very pretty kind of light skinned black girl who's got her hair pulled back very tight. Do I have her she wears

Arden Benner 43:57
cool hats. Okay,

Scott Benner 43:59
but I got her about right.

Arden Benner 44:00
You ever seen her at the Met Gala? Like she had about like polka dot looking at one time or something?

Scott Benner 44:06
tellers the the boy from the movie from top gun but also from the drumming

Arden Benner 44:11
whiplash but also from divergent but also not to keep going with that. But um, they were there and Machine Gun Kelly was there really? Yeah, I wasn't part of that. I was busy that does Miles

Scott Benner 44:24
Teller actually handsome in person.

Arden Benner 44:27
Yeah, he looks a little like, why am I hear? Not like, not like, I'm upset that he was here but like, but like he could have been in a hotel bed. You know, but he like went on. He was like telling a speech about apparently like our school was like the first school he like when he first got like, known he like went to our event. And it was like 13 years ago or something. And now he's like back here because he just did a movie with like Tom Cruise and he was like, it's pretty cool. Yeah, so Excellent. All right. He didn't want to acknowledge me hear anything

Scott Benner 45:00
somebody yelled out your name move down on my list. What did what did hold on I can do this what the jewels, the elder Miles Teller,

Arden Benner 45:07
she was like, just non stop, by the way, it just kept happening. And she goes, say, Oh, but I just it was so. And this point I was like I actually I don't want him to say it now. Like I don't even want him to hear it anymore like because one day I want to have a name for myself and he's gonna be like, it's that name that I heard in Georgia. That one's in Florida. And I'm and I don't know, I just he did end up hearing I have it on video, he turns back and he like looked at us and he like laughed, and then he walked away. And then jewels ran outside while he's getting into the car. And she was like, miles, I said and just kept going. And I was like, Oh well, what

Scott Benner 45:55
was? Was there a difficult part about being away from home? Like, did you ever feel homesick?

Arden Benner 46:04
Oh, I missed my room so much. That's doesn't have to do with anything, but I missed my room. That was that was honestly my biggest thing. Yeah, I miss my room. And I miss the ability to just go out whenever you want. And it's not like trouble because I'm in a city. So it's like, like trying to get like if you just want to go out one night at dinner like it is an hour and a half. Wait to just sit somewhere and then nowhere to park. You have to like walk. I mean, you can drive but then you got to pay. But then it's an impossible to find a spot so then you gotta walk within your legs hurt so then you can't wear cute shoes. So then what's the point of going out? And that's like a whole thing. So

Scott Benner 46:42
did you like it when we came and visited?

Arden Benner 46:44
No, I hated it. You mean, I

Scott Benner 46:48
meant was it a nice distraction? Like when we came in for a visit once or twice? I mean, yeah, yeah, it was good. Yeah, because you don't want work. We're not trying to you don't I mean?

Arden Benner 46:58
No, I honestly have no I tried to like, like,

Scott Benner 47:01
ruin your thing and make you feel like we you know, but it was we thought it was nice to come and visit. Although we were in that dirty hotel that one time I did not enjoy that. Yeah. Was like such a nice hotel. And our room was

Arden Benner 47:12
so dirty. And this flirt ends.

Scott Benner 47:14
I got that for free. Yeah, I know. Like my best moment.

Arden Benner 47:19
I know. You probably had a lot of fun doing that. I didn't enjoy it as much as you think it's upsetting. Fun yelling at the guy on the phone, though. But your hotel room?

Scott Benner 47:27
Oh my God. That's what I came down for. Okay, so we can talk about that. So you it was like the, towards the end of that five month stretch?

Arden Benner 47:36
Yeah, like, if I go home in June 1. It was like, probably end of April. Like a parents that or something like that. It was Parents Weekend. And by the way. Not one of my friends knew that was a thing, right? None of us knew Parents Weekend was a thing. And then someone said it. We were like Parents Weekend. So

Scott Benner 47:53
you were getting a little frazzled at the end.

Arden Benner 47:56
I hadn't been home in like five months. Yeah, it was

Scott Benner 47:59
the longest you've ever been away from home. And we were talking to you one night. And mom was like, Hey, you want to go down there and hang out with her for the weekend or something? Because she looks a little like, like electric. You look like somebody plugged you into the wall outlet didn't pull it out right away. Like you were just like, talking about school. And you're like, there's a lot going on about bicycle. I don't know. We just come down. I'll get a hotel room and we'll spend the weekend in a hotel and just chill out and have dinner and just relax and everything like that. Yeah. So we did that. And that was lovely. Except when we got I got there. So I flew down. Arden picked me up at the airport. And then we go to go to the hotel and the hotels like we don't have your reservation. That was upsetting.

Arden Benner 48:40
I thought they were gonna be like April Fool's was really we were sitting in the car just like, um,

Scott Benner 48:46
we've like parked in a parking garage we call them and

Arden Benner 48:49
it was my parking garage at school. Yeah. And everyone heard him yelling.

Scott Benner 48:53
Yes. I held on the phone a lot. Yeah, yeah. The people who listened might not know that I

Arden Benner 48:58
I think he's a terrible person.

Scott Benner 49:00
They might not know that I'm a terrible person. No, I don't yell really much at all anymore. When I was younger anymore. I enjoyed yelling a lot. Let

Arden Benner 49:09
me tell you a story about Scott. And

Scott Benner 49:10
so I whipped it out again on the phone. I was like, it just flew here like from across the country and you don't have a hotel room for me. And, and all you can say is we'd be happy to refund your money. And I was like, No, you're gonna refund my money. I think you helped me I'm sick. I'm gonna end up sleeping in this car. And

Arden Benner 49:30
so then I finessed and found a hotel room, which was so expensive. Oh my god. So it was like it was like when you visit this the spot that I had mysteriously go to school in, but you know, you know the family here. Let me let me just explain. You know, the man who this white man, this white man you see walking down the street and a very nice suit and a good watch. And he's a little ugly, but you know No, he's got money. And his wife is like, was very pretty in high school. And she's walked in next to him and like a pencil dress. And they're about to walk into a hotel and she has a clutch under her hand. That's the type of hotel I got us. And yes,

Scott Benner 50:15
it because it was the only thing left. Yes, it was there was literally one verb. I was in so much trouble. So

Arden Benner 50:22
my school like, moving weekend, Parents Weekend, and when you gotta leave, like you need to book in advance.

Scott Benner 50:31
Right? So I'm stuck. I have to take whatever I can get. I booked the hotel that was maybe like, I don't know, like $250 a night or something like that for for you. And I Yeah, and it was nice. And it was all good. But then we get there and it's not there. Now there's nothing left. We're calling around. We're looking on camera, anything artist like I found a room. But it was. What was it? Like? It was right like $1,000 a night or something? Yeah, something like that. Something absolutely insane. Yeah. And so we booked it because what the hell else was I going to do? And then I screamed at the guy from Expedia. And he paid the difference. So,

Arden Benner 51:07
so basically, you end up even paying really for it.

Scott Benner 51:10
I mean, I paid the original, like, whatever I was supposed to pay 250 300 Whatever that was, yeah, I paid that. But then I made them pay the balance of it. Yeah. But I everything works out. Good. Be honest. abusive to the man on the phone? Because he did not want it. Yeah, I

Arden Benner 51:26
mean, like, this is just the job he's got. You're like screaming at him on like a Tuesday afternoon. Yeah,

Scott Benner 51:32
so the best thing I can say, to make this ex because people listen to podcasts pretty much know me, I guess pretty well. That's nice. Are these all your friends? So I don't be there's no reason to be mean. They are my friends. And but I have a couple of like weird superpowers. One of them is I can yell really loud and still make sense. And that throws people off a little bit. I think. So I'm yelling, cursing and making sense. I'm a little ahead in the conversation. And I did badger him into doing it eventually. And he actually did it. I sent him a bill when they refunded me the money. I think we got water is after that. After we yelled at him. We got what arises. Yeah, it's nice. Do you and I say water differently?

Arden Benner 52:20
I say water. You say water water. Like an idiot.

Scott Benner 52:23
I'm trying to say water more. But it sounds weird when I

Arden Benner 52:27
say it like a Brit Wah. Yeah.

Scott Benner 52:29
So when I say what, you know,

Arden Benner 52:31
when British people find someone attractive, they say, Oh, you're fit? They say you're fit. Or I think apparently if you say like you're? You're smart. That's supposed to be like attractive to Okay.

Scott Benner 52:44
Well, when I say water, is that the correct way to say so?

Arden Benner 52:46
It's not that it's actually Water? Water? Yeah, it sounds

Scott Benner 52:50
weird when I say like that. I know it's not. I had a guy with a really thick British accent on this year. He was pretty good. But he was hard to understand. Like I it took me a couple minutes to like, soak him up and like be able to hear him. Yeah, so he also got a good

Arden Benner 53:05
or a bad Brit. Was he a bird that you can listen to? Or Brett you get a headache from No, he was he was terrific. Sometimes they give me headaches. Sometimes they give you actually think they're like the like that and like Australian people.

Scott Benner 53:19
i A lot of people from Australia. Listen to this. Go ahead. Okay,

Arden Benner 53:22
I was kind of compliment them. Go ahead. Alright, that's like my favorite accents. But there's like a certain pitch of British that makes my head ring.

Scott Benner 53:33
What's the difference?

Arden Benner 53:34
I don't know. Like, there's a certain pitch of British and I just like can't like if I'm watching a show. I just can't for too long.

Scott Benner 53:42
Can I call this episode pitch of British? Maybe? Do you know this is going to be the 990/9 episode of the podcast. This is episode 999.

Arden Benner 53:54
It's like the angel numbers as the kids say. Yeah, it's probably an angel number that means something I wouldn't know what it is but I don't think it means anything of your mind. Some people would

Scott Benner 54:07
Okay, let me go back I believe in Angel numbers and if you guys want to diffuse essential oils I think that's good too. You respect angel

Arden Benner 54:15
number and I respect you believe in something you don't believe in Don't be a faker.

Scott Benner 54:21
Whatever I make fun of essential oils, I think people are probably mad.

Arden Benner 54:25
Honestly, I put them on before bed and they do nothing one of them actually smells terrible. But it says it relaxes you but it makes me really upset. I'm like this is terrible. It's supposed to relax me.

Scott Benner 54:42
Alright, well, you seem like everything's okay. The one thing that we got messed up on, was I for sure thought I sent you enough insulin. And then nope, nope. That yeah, but I didn't know about the food. I know how bad it was gonna be So we worked it out, but it but we had to have

Arden Benner 55:06
words over there. But because you know you messed up

Scott Benner 55:09
I mean, I but I did send it if you were eating at home the sentence out it would have been enough if you're eating at home. But it down there it just didn't work out. Yeah, fat ass don't think it's gonna be okay. This time you real? So I guess my real question is do you really think you're gonna cook for yourself?

Arden Benner 55:27
I mean, how are you? Sure hope so. But who knows? It's all in God's hands. Is it? not religious, but this is in God's hands.

Scott Benner 55:39
So you're gonna have to have meals, like food for meals on hand. And at the same time, you might have to supplement it with some of the school's offerings here or there.

Arden Benner 55:49
I don't know what you just said. But I'll just make myself okay. I'm sure I'll figure it out. Maybe I'll go ahead and nice rice bowl, rice bowl. Mom says to me, she goes, we need to get you a steamer. And I was like that. Okay, calm down. I mean, I'm going to college not culinary school.

Scott Benner 56:11
Steam. Are you think of culinary? I think it's just, I mean, just the nice rice steamer.

Arden Benner 56:15
I mean, that seems nice. But it seems like it's over $55 so little too much.

Scott Benner 56:19
You're saying? Yeah. Well, if we sold some of your clothing.

Arden Benner 56:23
I'd rather never ever.

Scott Benner 56:26
I don't think mom's wrong. I think we could get a nice little rice maker be a good idea.

Arden Benner 56:29
I mean, sure. All right. It was gonna be a toaster. Yeah, you need toaster? Actually, I don't know. I don't I feel like jewels, man. I got a toaster. See how quickly I'm come up with these names? Again,

Scott Benner 56:38
I'm fascinated that you were able to give them fake names and use them correctly in these sentences. Yeah, I'm holding on tight,

Arden Benner 56:45
smart people were because that was me and Elon Musk. And Mark Zuckerberg and Bill Gates. Yeah. And Albert Einstein, you'd be able to do and we're in a room together. It's

Unknown Speaker 56:54
crazy. That's how you do it.

Arden Benner 56:57
circle, a circle. And we just talk and part of the devil about all of it. No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Scott Benner 57:04
Oh my gosh. Do you recognize how much of your insulin management is handled by an algorithm? Like, do you know that if you weren't running an algorithm, you'd be doing a lot more intensive work with your blood sugar? I mean, yeah, I lived with that one for a while. Yeah. So you, you do see the difference? Do you realize

Arden Benner 57:27
that I've had diabetes longer than you think? Not longer than I think you got it when you were two. I know that. But I'm saying at 17. I understood how it worked prior to this.

Scott Benner 57:37
What can I say something like heartfelt to you. I thought you did a really terrific job while you were there. I know. But I'm telling you now he's seen it. So the fans so other people can hear it. I was really pleased your agency crept up a tiny bit. But it was very respectable. And you were doing an amazing job. And I actually think it's going to come back down now. Because it's back down. Now that you're home. I know you don't know that. But

Arden Benner 58:02
it is. I mean, hope it's doing well. Yeah. You just you don't know, though, right? Send it a greeting card. Yeah, I don't know.

Scott Benner 58:11
How did you like dislike etc? What did you think of moving from a pediatric endocrinologist to an adult there? chronologist.

Arden Benner 58:21
If you didn't just say that to me, and I have no idea that happened. Remember, I have no recollection of this happening. And now I do. I understand. Because I said it. Yeah. But um, yeah, well. I mean, but this is prescriptions. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Awesome.

Scott Benner 58:42
But that's another lucky thing. That you I don't know how aware you are of it. Like a lot of people have trouble when they moved to an adult Endo. And you were able to go to Addy because, you know, she helps with

Arden Benner 58:53
others. They like people who think they know everything or something.

Scott Benner 58:56
There are a lot of bad adult endocrinologist.

Arden Benner 58:59
This is what you do. If you have one, they start talking you go wrong.

Scott Benner 59:03
But what if you're wrong? What if you're the person and you don't know? And they're giving you bad information? You have no idea? They drive your blood sugar's

Arden Benner 59:12
you listen to the Juicebox Podcast. That's right. You listen. You're welcome. Thank you give me a cut of this episode.

Scott Benner 59:21
A cut of the episode. Is that how you think of the episodes? It's just pieces of money? Yes, I don't think of it that way.

Arden Benner 59:27
All right. Well, i

Scott Benner 59:31
i But anyway, I mean, that was very smooth, but we were lucky because we had a really great doctor and she was very cool. She you know, she doesn't even manage type ones. She did this because she knew you already. Yes, I'm aware very nice of her actually. And how much nicer is that going to her and you sit in a nice chair and you chat and she's actually listening to you and they don't rush you out and all that stuff. And I find it

Arden Benner 59:56
really fun. They put a pad of paper and a pen next to you for notes. Right. She has a therapy but you don't actually talk about your feelings. Never been therapy. Can you imagine if after this is over like none like nothing I said picked up.

Scott Benner 1:00:14
I've done that twice so far recorded an episode and nothing did you bang

Arden Benner 1:00:19
your head against the wall.

Scott Benner 1:00:20
It's really infuriating. I also did one where 20 minutes into the conversation, I realized it wasn't recording. And I had to say to the person, stop, stop, stop, stop. Oh my god, I'm so sorry. And we just started over again. And that's weird, because then you have a 20 minute conversation after having a 20 minute conversation and you're trying to rebuild it, but it doesn't come out exactly the same. So it's confusing. And then once you get past the stuff that you talked about, then it starts to flow better. It's interesting how it works, but one time it was a famous person. Victor Garber, I did not

Arden Benner 1:00:58
only famous person I know it's been on this podcast, other than harbor from Wizards of Waverly Place, right, so we're tight. So yeah, yeah, I see you're on the TV a lot.

Scott Benner 1:01:09
Also, a couple of big like baseball players have been on here. Alright, dollar has been on a couple

Arden Benner 1:01:15
of times. Baby Daddy thing baby daddy guy.

Scott Benner 1:01:19
Chris Freeman's been on a bunch of Olympic athletes very cool. I Oh, no. Wait, I did the shoot. I really liked this girl and I just forgot her name. And now I feel bad.

Speaker 2 1:01:29
What was she when she did Charlotte? What? They that was really broad Charlotte

Scott Benner 1:01:35
jewelry. I don't know who that is. You know her girlfriend is. Remember I did the interview. And then I was like, hey, her after we got done talking her girlfriend came and said hi. And I was like, and I showed you a picture and she you were like, Oh my God. That's the girl from the Olympics that gymnast? You don't remember this?

Arden Benner 1:01:53
I'm sure if I saw another. I didn't remember. Okay, wait, no, it's actually a lot funnier. I didn't. So we scheduled a little insight on my life. I went to the OBGYN while I was home this summer. And we scheduled an appointment for me and my mom did it on the phone because she was also scheduling herself. One. She was just into her number. What is it two birds one stone?

Speaker 1 1:02:16
I thought you're gonna say two holes with one stone? Yeah,

Arden Benner 1:02:21
I mean, that's it. But um, so she's scheduling an appointment, and she keeps telling me that this doctor's name is um, she tells me the doctor's name. And then she was I don't remember. And then I was like, Who is this? Like, doctor? I'm trying to remember her. And she's like, the Indian woman. And I'm like, no way that woman was Indian. I'm like thinking about it. I'm like, she was no way like, I'm really missing something. So it turns out, we actually switched OB GYN like four years ago. And you didn't remember. This woman did surgery on me. I had no recollection. I was thinking of the woman from like, years ago.

Scott Benner 1:03:02
The with a curly kind of Yeah, yeah. No, that is not the number of

Arden Benner 1:03:07
officers a photo of her family in there. Yeah, I could see it in my head. And I was like, no way that woman is Indian. That woman

Scott Benner 1:03:13
is not Indian. She's like Jewish. I think she is for sure.

Arden Benner 1:03:17
Yeah. And I was like, I'm like thinking about it. And I'm like, Am I like really off on something here? Like, do I need to like study

Scott Benner 1:03:23
when you saw I almost Saturday, but when you saw or did you think oh, I know. This lady did that.

Arden Benner 1:03:31
She was in the room. I went oh, but I was also half naked. So I didn't say that. I was like, I know who you are. So I don't I that's. I mean, doctors. They're great. They do a lot and they go to school for a while. But I am not going to remember.

Scott Benner 1:03:47
How did you enjoy your first OB appointment?

Arden Benner 1:03:51
It wasn't fun. I don't recommend it.

Scott Benner 1:03:55
Was it upsetting? Was it unnerving to go to the for the first time?

Arden Benner 1:04:01
Oh, no, you just take your pants off. And you sit there and she goes scoot scoot because you're asked is never allowed enough on the seat. Skirt skirt. She says at least 10 times. And then you finally scoot to the right spot. And then what we'll do you know, some random woman's fingers are in your vagina.

Scott Benner 1:04:20
stuff at random.

Arden Benner 1:04:21
I mean, we don't know each other like that. Right? So yeah.

Scott Benner 1:04:24
Can you tell the story about the about the Oh, the tick tock tick tock aquarium thing.

Arden Benner 1:04:32
So I was on tick tock math and I'm on a lot or anything but I was just you know, stumbled across it one day. And this video came up of a woman and she was like, What is the worst like ad you've ever seen or whatever that like, I don't know, any ad you've ever seen. That's like just kind of terrible. And this woman was saying I'm sure all these people have seen this video because it went viral. But she was saying how there was a billboard put up in her town because an aquarium was coming up So I don't know if anyone has ever been to aquarium but sometimes they do like the little shark tanks with like the small sharks and you do the two finger touch where like you put your to like what is your middle finger in your in your was a pointer pointer finger in the middle and then you put that out and yeah and you just to finger touch the fill your

Scott Benner 1:05:18
thumb in Yeah, like this. You're making a little gun. Yeah, right.

Arden Benner 1:05:22
Well, other things too. And you just to finger touch the fish, very lightly slimy little fish, and whatever. That's it, but the billboard was just showing you that how to do the two finger touch. And it said, Guess what's coming? And we all guessed no one just the sharks. I

Scott Benner 1:05:44
think it's hilarious because it's, it's literally a full size hybrid is so big with this lady's hand. With the two fingers up, it takes up a third

Arden Benner 1:05:55
and then under it was like the aquariums name. And it said something like, let's get wet.

Unknown Speaker 1:06:00
Yes, yeah. It's got to be fake. Don't you think?

Arden Benner 1:06:04
Either someone's a genius or someone is actually an idiot. But either way, genius marketing. Last two weeks ago,

Scott Benner 1:06:11
we've been basically like, saying just what's gone? What's coming and making the two finger thing in the house. Oh, tick tock. It's not just China taking over. It's actually fun.

Arden Benner 1:06:25
Yeah, I love the tick tock. You know, what I love is that after we're done with this, I'm so prepared to eat something. Yeah, get ready for but I don't know what I want.

Scott Benner 1:06:35
This is a bit of problem since you were a child. You deciding what to eat? I don't crave food. It's one of the most annoying parts about you?

Arden Benner 1:06:45
Oh, well. Okay, well, we're gonna start naming all those. I have a couple. Um, let's see, where should we start with you?

Scott Benner 1:06:52
I mean, I don't know where you would even begin. I know where I'd begin. I think being serious. When you so it's really sad when you leave. Like it's it's incredibly that felt so fast. I know. We really should have seen his face when he called. Don't lie to them. It's and Cole has been gone for like nine months now. He's coming back. And yeah, we're all fine here. And you're in at that. It's really sad. And then you're leaving. It's sad. But there's like this little part of my brain that's like, Oh, God, you won't have to do her laundry anymore.

Arden Benner 1:07:23
Like, my laundry is a terrible thing to do. Because I do it now. Not when I'm home because obviously it like turned into a little princess when I'm home. And I just feel like ah, and mild me Jews do my laundry when I need you to feed me and rub me and do my laundry. But also leave me alone. But no, because you know, I have to do my laundry for like nine months of the year too. And it is vicious. I like because there's a lot of stuff. I have to like hang to dry. My whole dorm is like full of my clothes hanging everywhere. And everyone is not like happy with it. But I'm like, hey, just give me 24 hours. Sorry. But now I'll have like a bigger space. So maybe I won't get yelled at it is

Scott Benner 1:08:10
it's the only thing I'm excited about you leaving. That's nice. Because when you were gone, and Cole wasn't here, like mom and I were keeping up with our laundry and putting it away. And it was really like I was like, Oh my God.

Arden Benner 1:08:20
What if it's not that bad? And you're just getting old? Well,

Scott Benner 1:08:22
that's possible too. Because I move slower. You know, I have to wear shoes. When I fold the laundry. I can't stand barefoot. It hurts my heels.

Arden Benner 1:08:29
Actually, that happens to me too. Yeah, but I think oh, no, actually, sometimes wearing shoes hurts my feet more than not wearing shoes.

Scott Benner 1:08:36
I have to wear those ugly slides that you don't like that. I have. Yeah, my bird Crusher slides that are really comfortable by the way. So other ideas before we wrap up? We've talked about doing a we should do a new girl podcast, because the actors are doing it but it's not good. We could do a better job.

Arden Benner 1:08:57
Why would you what if we meet them one day and now they've heard this?

Scott Benner 1:09:00
Well, if they hear this, I want you to know I want to like your podcast but it's just not good. I can't listen to it. And I want to I've never

Arden Benner 1:09:10
I've never listened actually if we're talking about this I want to know as though additional is married, man. Why do you think the builder guy the home renovator was the twin? What makes you wonder about it? It makes me wonder like I mean, she's Zoe Dacian out like maybe she loves him. Oh, well. You could love I mean, I don't think that people have one true love. Okay, so she could find a person. I don't know something about him is off. I definitely know he's committed a weird crime.

Scott Benner 1:09:41
Wait, you can't say that on here. We don't definitely know that he's committed a crime. Oh,

Arden Benner 1:09:45
I we're gonna have to cut that out. Do we know that for sure. No, I don't know that. The look in his eyes.

Scott Benner 1:09:50
So hold on one second. So you're saying By the look in his eyes. You assume he's committed a crime? Yeah, well, yes, that's it. You don't know that he had

Arden Benner 1:09:58
no, no knowledge You should just cut this out for legal purposes.

Scott Benner 1:10:02
I don't know. I think we've cleared it up. Now you're saying that he gives you a crime II vibe.

Arden Benner 1:10:06
A lot of people do and he is one of them. Okay. Well, I mean, to be fair, she could be a sidekick. Like, I could see her doing something like a little devious.

Scott Benner 1:10:16
I mean, what are we talking about the level of like stealing a person or robbing a bank or

Arden Benner 1:10:21
I don't know what it is, but they've done something

Scott Benner 1:10:24
illicit? I don't like to talk about it, but I'm not happy with her plastic surgery.

Arden Benner 1:10:28
What about the golf boys? Cece, though?

Scott Benner 1:10:31
She's still very pretty.

Arden Benner 1:10:32
I wish good things for her. Yes, I do, too. Does Winston do it was them?

Scott Benner 1:10:37
Yeah. Yeah. He's on that podcast, though. It's the three of them. I don't know. It meanders. I apologize. I know I make them just probably people listen to my podcast and think I meander so whatever. But I wanted to like it. I didn't like it. But I never listened. But a rewatch podcasts. I don't like podcasts. A rewatch podcast for new girl would be genius. Like a really good one.

Arden Benner 1:11:02
They did that for One Tree Hill. And by the way, people love it. The three girls they do it. It's called trauma.

Scott Benner 1:11:08
Also, I want to point out that the new girl podcast with those three people is very popular. Yes, I'm not I'm apparently

Arden Benner 1:11:16
so we had this whole conversation because you didn't like I didn't enjoy it. Yes. Who didn't you enjoy on it?

Scott Benner 1:11:21
I don't know. I don't like I don't have a lot of big voice talking. You know what I mean by that she's

Arden Benner 1:11:30
acting while talking.

Scott Benner 1:11:33
Like, if I don't I don't want to be I love new girls so much. And I those people, I am such a fan of that show. I'm not speaking poorly about anybody. But it feels like a bunch of high school cheerleaders know that they're being recorded. And they talk in big voices and they're happy and like, I don't know, I don't it doesn't seem completely real to me.

Arden Benner 1:11:55
Yeah, I don't have a voice to you. You have a you put on a voice when you do a podcast you think I put on a voice you're 100% Put on voice when you do the voice Am I putting on? Like it's like, oh,

Scott Benner 1:12:08
the opens and the closes?

Arden Benner 1:12:10
And the all the way? throughs I don't talk you don't think this is how I talk. This is not how you talk. How do I talk? You don't talk like this? How do I speak? He's a bunch more charismatic with a certain

Scott Benner 1:12:22
word. I'm more charismatic here. That's word that makes sense.

Arden Benner 1:12:25
Um, yeah, but like, Okay, actually, this is a good story. If

Scott Benner 1:12:30
I was like this downstairs, you'd be like, you're not making the podcast right now. Yeah. Okay.

Arden Benner 1:12:34
So anyways, let me tell my story. Just go ahead. Tell your Are you leaving? No, I'm

Scott Benner 1:12:40
just sitting. Okay.

Arden Benner 1:12:41
Um, me and my mother always say how? I'll ask him a question. Like when I finally do ask him a diabetes related question. He will like explain it like, like that. Like, that's, that's what I hear. And then, and then five seconds later, he gets a phone call from someone who's like, needs help with something. And he's like, Oh, yes. Let me tell you step one is to do this. Step two, he's like, written manual about it. And I asked him a question. He's like, Oh, you should know the answer. I don't think you should. 100% you do that to me in mind. So you guys actually, you all say to me like, You're so lucky. Your dad is this guy. No, no, no, no, he does not. He does not treat me the way he treats you lovely people.

Scott Benner 1:13:30
I am definitely nicer to the people that come on the blog. I

Arden Benner 1:13:32
know. I know. I know.

Scott Benner 1:13:37
I was just gonna I didn't know you were gonna tell a story. But I was just gonna tell you that so far the best television show rewatch podcast that I've ever heard. Is West Wing Weekly. I'm sure it is because I'm looking at a poster right now. Well, it's done really well. So anyway, that's neither here nor there.

Arden Benner 1:13:53
See, I can only watch the West Wing because what's his name is attractive. Martin Sheen. No. The attractive one. And not the one you're thinking about Rob Lowe? No. I actually don't find him that attractive. Richard Schiff. Now what? Come on, come

Scott Benner 1:14:09
on Bradley Whitford. Yes. Okay. Yeah, he's great now. Yes, I've

Arden Benner 1:14:13
seen him recently. And he was on that show where he like, I don't like was like that for five seconds at heart.

Scott Benner 1:14:19
Oh, he was he got a nice little NBC sitcom.

Arden Benner 1:14:22
Didn't last Yeah, he's also the dad and Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants. He's in that horribly

Scott Benner 1:14:27
depressing show that lady's like

Arden Benner 1:14:30
Handmaid's Tale. All right. And it seemed like a bad guy in it. I didn't watch Handmaid's Tale, so I don't but, uh, he unpopular opinion he's more attractive than Rob Lowe than Rob Lowe. Yes. Interesting. unpopular opinion. Michelle is more attractive than Schmidt.

Scott Benner 1:14:48
You think? Yes. Okay. We talked about this all the time, about the actors for that show.

Arden Benner 1:14:55
Yeah. Also, I just want to put it out there that there are different types of attractiveness in The World Go ahead. And a lot of people are medium ugly. But no, there's no flat who's medium. Jake Johnson is medium ugly,

Scott Benner 1:15:11
but he's more attractive. But in the more handsome guy, more classically handsome guy.

Arden Benner 1:15:15
I'm sure if he wasn't on a television show, he wouldn't be like, I'm sure I'd see him on the street. And I'd be like, Oh, wow, okay. Yeah, keep walking. I'm sure he'd say the same thing, by the way. But it's like the people who are like, they're like, not ugly, but they're not super attractive. But something about them or their personality is attractive. So you find them more attractive. Like I would say that people probably think Tom Holland is medium ugly. I find him very attractive. The people probably think he's medium ugly. Okay. Joe Curie from Stranger Things medium ugly, but I find him attractive. Who's Timothy? Shalini medium ugly. Don't find him attractive.

Scott Benner 1:15:53
Okay. What about that kid who went crazy? And they let him be in a superhero movie and then he went nuts.

Arden Benner 1:15:59
Is he a transfer? Miller? Yes. I don't find him attractive. Okay. So, actually, nevermind.

Scott Benner 1:16:06
Who's the most attractive, famous person for you?

Arden Benner 1:16:09
Though? That's very difficult. I'll just name all them. Okay. Tom Holland, Andrew Garfield, Chad, Michael Murray, Jesse Williams. I mean, let's just Grey's Anatomy tasks. Like I mean, Mark Sloan and Derek Shepherd gotten them all but Jesse Williams top of the list. James Lafferty along with along with Chad Michael Murray. Help me dad. Who else? Oh, Chris Evans. Chris Hemsworth.

Scott Benner 1:16:37
These are very attractive men.

Arden Benner 1:16:39
These are incredibly attractive. Who you don't find attractive when O'Brien very attractive. Okay,

Scott Benner 1:16:45
and there's two guys you don't think are attractive that everybody thinks are attractive. Or they're go ahead made fun of me about one of them the other night?

Arden Benner 1:16:54
George Clooney George Clooney. I don't think George Clooney. Also he's a lot older than me. Right?

Scott Benner 1:16:59
But what if you look at a younger photo of him? No. Oh, Leonardo DiCaprio. Yeah,

Arden Benner 1:17:03
don't find him attractive at all. Never have even young Leo. Everyone's like, ooh, young Leo. I'm like oh,

Scott Benner 1:17:10
but you don't think Brad Pitt's attractive either?

Arden Benner 1:17:12
I don't think he's ugly. But given the chance. No, thanks.

Scott Benner 1:17:16
Interesting. Who's more attractive? The airplane boy?

Arden Benner 1:17:21
Miles taller Miles Teller or bro? He's medium ugly.

Scott Benner 1:17:24
He's medium ugly.

Arden Benner 1:17:25
Yeah. Or who?

Scott Benner 1:17:26
Brad Pitt are miles taller.

Arden Benner 1:17:27
If you have to take one. I'm gonna take my on Stellar. Okay.

Scott Benner 1:17:30
Is there a world where George Clooney beats anybody?

Arden Benner 1:17:33
No. Oh, sure. Yeah. Oh, you know who else I find attractive. Adam Brody do know who that is. Yes. Yeah. Big kind of. Oh, another on Adam Brody pen Bagley Badgley if you know ever, you know I'm talking about and Nate Archibald character Chase crop chance Crawford. He's a what's his name? And he's the deep.

Scott Benner 1:17:56
The deep. Yeah. Oh, on that, boys. Yeah.

Arden Benner 1:17:59
That's how you would know how Yes, but he was in gosl grow when he was like in his 20s.

Scott Benner 1:18:04
Do you think you'd find guys attractive? Who when you were like 14 1516 you saw on television? No, that's not it? No. Okay. Because there's a lot of One Tree Hill people in here. And I don't know how many people even know who those people are.

Arden Benner 1:18:18
Oh, Dad. The whole world knows. Thanks. So yes, I don't think so. If it

Scott Benner 1:18:22
wasn't for you, I wouldn't know that One Tree Hill exists. Yes, you would know what the closest I would know is that the guy from Walking Dead's wife was in One Tree Hill.

Arden Benner 1:18:31
Jeffrey, Dean Morgan and Halliburton. Please use their names there. But okay, yeah, it's okay.

Scott Benner 1:18:38
So you know, when you come home, and mom says, Did you miss me and you say I missed my room. You break her heart when you say that, right?

Arden Benner 1:18:44
No. First things first. I did miss my room. Second. I have okay. I have this thing. When I'm gone. I don't like I'm not sitting there thinking and not in a bad way. But I'm not sitting there like, Oh, I miss my mom. I miss my dad. I miss my brother. I just miss the essence of being home. Okay, I'm not the type of person who's like longing for someone else's like company. Because I'm very much fine. Just like being alone. Like I don't I really don't need to be with another person. Am

Scott Benner 1:19:19
I the only sentimental person in our family?

Arden Benner 1:19:22
I'm very sentimental guy. Go ahead, but

Scott Benner 1:19:26
you can get your nose. It's fine.

Arden Benner 1:19:27
I mean, I know it's a free conjuring

Scott Benner 1:19:31
just I just burped. You didn't have to say it because Rob would have cut it out. But now people know it's there. So he has to leave it because Rob

Arden Benner 1:19:38
I was Rob long. Oh, my suppose is Rob.

Scott Benner 1:19:43
You're so close. But I don't think we I don't think Rob Rob. Rob wrong. Yeah, Rob. Take your name out if you don't want it. So yeah, yeah, sorry, my bad he's doing the edit. I

Arden Benner 1:19:54
always see your text messages. Always in my car. I get. I mean, I don't do a textbook. I'm there. And then he's like texting you back and I'm like, drive the car and he's like, Ah, well, this matter is really great. And I'm like, Alright, come on, come on, we gotta go to dinner.

Scott Benner 1:20:11
Well, while we're on Rob, let's push his daughter and his wife while they got COVID. They were laid off for a little bit, so we hope they're feeling better. Guess where we're at, though? Oh, about the sentimental thing you said your sentimental, sentimental

Arden Benner 1:20:24
house. So, you know, quietly. Yeah. I don't like to express my feelings. You know that. It's very obvious. Yeah. I'm very much close off

Scott Benner 1:20:35
but you in Kohler like Mom, in that regard? Yeah. But you have my sense of humor. I have my sense of humor. You and I share a similar sense of humor. I mean,

Arden Benner 1:20:47
funny. Um, like to other people in our family.

Scott Benner 1:20:51
The other two are not funny. No, no, they are to some people. Like I'm always like, when close girlfriends like he's so funny. I always think

Arden Benner 1:20:58
oh my god, I think Is she okay. I think that she's been held at gunpoint.

Scott Benner 1:21:03
We just have two very different kinds of funny, like, like, ideas of it. But when we all went together to see John Mulaney,

Arden Benner 1:21:10
we will because he's all the Froot Loops story. And that was hilarious.

Scott Benner 1:21:14
But all of us were thought it was hilarious.

Arden Benner 1:21:16
That no, you know what, there were parts of it. I was like, Ha ha funny. When he told the Froot Loops story at the end. I was like, That is hilarious. What was it like he was super high. And they called him to do like a interview and he drops the drops the spoon. He goes, I'm sorry. I'm eating Froot Loops.

Scott Benner 1:21:34
He went back later and read the interview. And it was like, Oh my God, it was like,

Arden Benner 1:21:37
it was like spoon HITS FLOOR.

Scott Benner 1:21:42
He's that's in this special is that in this specialty? They keep it in, in the Netflix. Did

Arden Benner 1:21:46
you watch it didn't watch. I mean, I saw it and watch it. Okay, so

Scott Benner 1:21:49
anyway, it's good. We saw that live with what, uh, what is his Netflix special now? Which I don't have any above but it was very funny. Okay, so you're sentimental, but you're not overly expressive with your feelings? Not

Unknown Speaker 1:22:00
at all. Okay.

Scott Benner 1:22:02
Do you think that's changing? As you get older?

Arden Benner 1:22:03
No, I actually think that I'm more reserved as I get older.

Scott Benner 1:22:07
Does it bother you? Are you comfortable with it?

Arden Benner 1:22:10
I feel like I should be a little bit more able to talk about my feelings. But that doesn't seem like a podcast episode.

Scott Benner 1:22:17
It's something you're gonna work on your no personal? No, I'm good. Do you want to help? We'll have to talk about it now.

Arden Benner 1:22:24
Like, give me like better help.

Scott Benner 1:22:27
Better help.com forward slash juice box, get 10% off your first month, when you use my link. I have to say of all this. So I have I'm looking at the list of advertisers, I have a big word did that for you. I was gonna give you credit. I'll say this big whiteboard in here that I keep a ton of information on about the podcasts, it kind of helps my brain I walk past every day. And I look at it. And it keeps me focused on like, you know, like, we just crossed off the MythBusters series that I did with Jenny and Jenny and I are going to do Grand Rounds next. And it keeps me all like really kind of focused tells me to pay my taxes. Learn how to backup servers better, like all the weird stuff I do here. But I have a list of advertisers. They're pretty thoughtfully curated. Like I didn't just say yes to everybody, some of these advertisers, I went out and got myself because I knew they'd be good for the podcast, people listening, I knew we use the stuff. So I was comfortable with it. Better help is online therapy. And I thought this is like, I think this might actually be good for people and help them. So I went on to the Facebook group and I said, Should I take advertising from BetterHelp? Would you guys use it? overwhelming amount of people are like, Oh my god, I guess I need to do that. I absolutely would. So I take the advertiser, get the whole thing set up. I sit through their trainings, and I learned how to talk about it. So I don't get in trouble with their lawyers and all this stuff. And then I put it out there. And like six people use it. And I was like, wearing all the people who said they wanted this. So I called the company. I'm like, I feel like I'm failing you and they're like, No, we're doing you're doing fine. I'm like, This is not fine. What are you talking about? They said it's really hard to get people to start going to therapy. And I was like, really? And she said yeah, that's not a thing people want to do. I was like, oh, okay, so anyway betterhelp.com forward slash juicebox save 10% off your first month of therapy when you use my link. Is that the voice that we're talking about?

Speaker 2 1:24:19
Yeah, while we're here, I really need to crack my back up to crack you up.

Speaker 1 1:24:24
Should we do it while people are like I just need to crack Oh, we should do while people are listening.

Arden Benner 1:24:28
Well I need to cut my back right now.

Scott Benner 1:24:29
Okay, hold on. Can we get come over to my microphone? No, I

Arden Benner 1:24:32
need to do it in the chair. Okay,

Scott Benner 1:24:33
everybody because it makes sense.

Arden Benner 1:24:38
I don't actually don't even know if I need to crack that was like nothing

Scott Benner 1:24:45
was their neck. People like hearing people cracking toes

Arden Benner 1:24:57
I don't know. I'm just like really sore. How was more activity I did today?

Scott Benner 1:25:03
Meaning going and sitting next to another school. It was. Well, you're not doing your thing right now.

Arden Benner 1:25:11
Here we go. You're not this is my day, every single day I wake up, and he's like, Oh, see you didn't take your bills last night. Yeah, I was asleep. I supposed to take them on asleep

Scott Benner 1:25:25
or awake during the day? No. Yes. Well, I just love you. And I'm worried about you. majeeda, that?

Arden Benner 1:25:34
sip of my drink?

Scott Benner 1:25:35
So the next time we do this, it'll be like, what, three months from now? No, here when you come back next time, this is how we do it. Oh, yeah.

Arden Benner 1:25:44
I'm gonna do it again next year.

Scott Benner 1:25:46
It'll be next year when we do it. It'll be January No. A year from today? No, we need to do it sooner that you have to have the most popular episodes of the podcast.

Arden Benner 1:25:56
Yes. Quarterback.

Scott Benner 1:26:00
But when that mean, you should come on more often?

Arden Benner 1:26:02
Well for you. But personally, I'm good. I don't need my stats to go

Scott Benner 1:26:08
down. Or you just want to leave them wanting more?

Arden Benner 1:26:11
Yeah. What if your listeners are getting less funny? And then all of a sudden, they don't want to listen to this anymore?

Scott Benner 1:26:16
Do you have any questions for me?

Arden Benner 1:26:18
No, not at all. No. No, I have a question. That's not related to diabetes. That's fine. So I had this idea or this thought, would you note no consequences, you're not going to be hurt in the long run. But you can get shot. You can get shot once and experience what it's like to get shot. You're gonna be fine. After no long term, like problems, you're gonna recover completely fine. Like everything is gonna be fine. But you can experience getting shot.

Scott Benner 1:26:49
Is the question if I could experience being shot, but know that I would have no long term deficits from it. Would I do that? Yes, the answer is 100%. No, I think I would. Well, you're still gonna get shot is scenario. But

Arden Benner 1:27:05
you know, I want to, I want to just experience it seems cool. No, what if someone's like, and if you're gonna experience no long term problems, I keep the bullet, but you're still gonna have pain? No, no, no, you'll be good.

Scott Benner 1:27:21
No, wait when you get shot?

Unknown Speaker 1:27:25
Yeah, no hurt. But

Scott Benner 1:27:27
I mean, I don't think that's I don't need that. No,

Arden Benner 1:27:30
I mean, I don't need it. I also also, I don't actually want it. But if I could experience it, what would that bring? Good story. You only live once.

Scott Benner 1:27:42
You could go to? I don't know. I don't need that story. I see that I see the the idea desire, I understand the question and the whole thing, but I am not interested in that.

Arden Benner 1:27:52
Like, if there's one thing you could do no consequences, but it's like not really that great. Would you do it? Like what is it? Yeah, what is it?

Scott Benner 1:28:02
I mean, the thing just popped into my head. And I have it's funny. It's not a thing that I can I don't think about this at all. Like meaning like, it's not a thing I wonder about or anything like that. But if you told me I could flat out do anything, and I wouldn't have any weird consequences from it. I might try heroin.

Arden Benner 1:28:22
Okay. I don't know what I would do. I don't think get shot would be number one. Um,

Scott Benner 1:28:31
do you think a lot of people are thinking gay sex right now?

Arden Benner 1:28:34
No, actually didn't think that. No, because? Not about you. I

Scott Benner 1:28:37
mean, do you think they're in their car right now gone? I get along with a lady once if I knew nobody. Like, I would try that.

Arden Benner 1:28:44
I mean, I think people would do that. Like, all right, no problem. I have a killer person. You could offer me some money. And I sleep with a woman.

Scott Benner 1:28:52
What about like, kill the person? Like they weren't dead when it was over. But you got to have the whole

Arden Benner 1:28:56
and then they just come back to life? I do that. But how would you tell someone? I have no idea. I'd poison them. Really? Yes.

Scott Benner 1:29:07
How did you come up with that so

Speaker 1 1:29:08
quickly? It's like not messy. Oh, and you wouldn't have to touch them? Yeah,

Scott Benner 1:29:13
I don't think I could touch a person.

Arden Benner 1:29:14
Now when you kill them. Do you call the cops? Or do you take care of the body? I call the cops.

Scott Benner 1:29:19
Why are you getting away? They're gonna stand back up. This is a magical situation. They'll be fine.

Arden Benner 1:29:23
Oh, yes. Right. I forgot that that happens. Now if they're not going to come back to life.

Scott Benner 1:29:28
I call the cops on yourself. Yes. Why?

Arden Benner 1:29:31
I plan it out so that I cannot be caught. Like I would really plan this out. I call the cops because I'd be like, Oh my God, I don't know what happened to them.

Scott Benner 1:29:39
I think that's a mistake. And every TV show when you're too involved, they know it's you. Just like when a woman disappears, it is most often their husband.

Unknown Speaker 1:29:47
It kills them. Well, yeah.

Scott Benner 1:29:51
So you don't want to be too involved in it. I don't know i So

Arden Benner 1:29:55
what if I do this? What if I like there's a third party and I set them up? To be the one to actually hand on the poison.

Scott Benner 1:30:03
I don't know. I wouldn't want to be involved in this. I also this is not a thing I would actually do.

Arden Benner 1:30:07
Yeah, I'm not planning on doing it. But I know this is like I think about this like when I played the game like clue, because you gotta like someone died with the candlestick. Yeah, it's always the candle. So everybody thinks that in the boardroom, and it's always a mustard, mustard. Those are actually the only three things I remember from that game. So that's why I said it. So I

Scott Benner 1:30:28
as I'm trying to imagine, I don't think I could put my hands on somebody and hurt them. I'd have to do it from a desk.

Arden Benner 1:30:33
I don't Yeah, I don't think I could do it either. I

Scott Benner 1:30:34
also don't think I could point it. I've never held a gun. So I don't know that I could point a gun at somebody either. I definitely couldn't stab somebody. I couldn't choke them.

Arden Benner 1:30:45
In the heat of a moment or

Scott Benner 1:30:46
moments. I thought I could choke mom.

Arden Benner 1:30:51
In the heat of the moment, all right.

Scott Benner 1:30:52
I guess you're making a point. If I got upset I could probably

Arden Benner 1:30:57
I don't think I could hurt someone like because I have like a vicious. I could hurt someone out of protecting me. Here's

Scott Benner 1:31:03
a question. You know, in the movies, when someone's being attacked, and they can't get away, and they're losing, and eventually they go to sticking their thumb in their

Arden Benner 1:31:12
eyes. No, I don't think I could do it. I'd be like,

Scott Benner 1:31:14
save your life.

Arden Benner 1:31:16
I don't know what I just got my nails done.

Scott Benner 1:31:19
I every time I see that, I think well, that's game over right there. If that happens,

Arden Benner 1:31:23
I want to learn the pressure point that you put like touch someone to make them.

Scott Benner 1:31:27
Finally try right now. We'll look it up. I'll try to make it if I'm just out.

Arden Benner 1:31:32
Can you still make me food for when I wake up? Yeah, sure. We'll make sure you have it. I need a shower.

Scott Benner 1:31:39
And I said do you know it's not? I know, podcasts I was listening to recently one of the hosts got another host chloroform as a gift. Like that stuff you put on your face and

Arden Benner 1:31:54
pass out from Oh, yeah. Would you do that? Would you try?

Scott Benner 1:31:57
So if Okay, so if you told me I definitely would be okay. I have to tell you that I've been I've just done bed. I've been put out with the Jackson juice a couple of times for some small surgeries. And it's amazing. So I guess maybe, but like they're talking to you. They're like, yeah, so we're gonna do the surgery, and then blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then you just open your eyes. And you're in the you're out in the other room. It's It's amazing. It's very restful.

Arden Benner 1:32:26
I don't disagree. No, I

Scott Benner 1:32:27
felt restful afterwards.

Arden Benner 1:32:28
I don't feel restful. After was I feel like I need to take a shower.

Scott Benner 1:32:32
You do feel a little dirty after? Yeah. So let's finish up here. I have a couple of college questions for you. Did, did you get offered drugs?

Arden Benner 1:32:45
So I get offered drugs? Yeah,

Scott Benner 1:32:49
like hard drugs? No. What about the one boy? It was like his date. It was his dating pitch. Remember the kid who wanted to? Oh, yes,

Arden Benner 1:32:58
I did get offered drugs. You're so right. Yes, I was coming back from class. So I was in class and this kid next to me to ask me all these questions. And then he asked me if I could. I had like, I had a like an article or whatever. And he was like, Hey, could you touch that to me? And I was like, Yeah, sure. So I texted him the article. This was a plant. I don't think she wanted the article was hitting on you. He was 100%. I mean, I figured this out after I realized she didn't want article, because then he tried to swim. He said, so when we when you're going to ask me to dinner, that's what he said. And I, I was literally sitting next to him in class. And I turned the phone to him. And I was like, huh, because if you know me, I'm not putting up with that. So he like tried to talk to me after class and I kind of put my I'd like to put my headphones in and walk home. And so I did such a thing. And he came up behind me and sweet kid, like no bad intentions. But then I was like, it's fine. Like, I'll just walk home with this kid from class. It's like a 15 minute walk. It's not a big deal. And we're talking and then he starts telling me about all these drugs. He does. And I'm like, Oh, it

Scott Benner 1:33:59
was the sales pitch. Right? I don't think so. It didn't just tell you how to like get a brown bag. No, no, you just made a story. I don't know. I felt like he was like, Hey, I've got drugs. You should go out with me.

Arden Benner 1:34:09
No. Well, he was just telling me about the drugs. He does. Okay. I was like, Well, that's very nice. But nothing. But I never never offered them to me. He just was I think he thought it was cool. Yeah, he's just trying to come off as cool. Yeah. And I was like, you know, it's super cool if I think at dinner and bring it up to my room, so I kind of drugs was he talking about? Well, I don't remember. I remember one of them being LSD. But I can't there were four other ones and I don't remember what they were. But LSD is like a fun LSD. Like it sounds cool to say that's that's why you think you remember Yeah, because it just reminds me of LED. That's why Oh, like lighting like lighting those lights right there LED? Yeah, exactly. But like, I have never been offered hard drugs. Okay. Nobody was like and you have never even seen someone do hard drugs.

Scott Benner 1:35:00
And you use some of your friends with your club a couple of times. You didn't enjoy that idea you went out

Arden Benner 1:35:05
to hit a club. I hate it like that a lot. No. Gotcha. All right. Awesome. I did not see any drugs. Okay,

Scott Benner 1:35:11
fair enough. Did you try drinking while you were gone?

Arden Benner 1:35:16
I tried to sip of wine. Um, my, actually, I feel like I should not tell this story on here because it should get us in severe trouble it who

Scott Benner 1:35:25
is of your trouble. Oh, Robin and where it happened? Yeah. Okay. You don't have to tell them.

Arden Benner 1:35:31
But I did try a sip of wine. And all I could think of was why then like, like, why don't you do this? I'll try to sip a vodka cranberry. Two and a half bad? Yeah. Like, I understand if you're drunk that you can drink it. Not make sense to me. But yeah, to get drunk first. And I Oh, also, yes, I did try. I tried some sort of liquor. Like a shot a shot of something. And wow, well, we'll never do that again. Also, I did it. Like, I did it out of like to end an argument. Because someone wanted the last shot. And they were fighting over it. So I just took it. By the way, I don't drink alcohol. That is probably the second time my tongue has like, even tasted like, like a dribble of alcohol. And I just took a whole shot. And I was like, oh, okay, let's go. Let's stop fighting. Let's leave. I did that whole thing. So an argument would hit you hard? No, actually, my stomach hurt. Like burn? No, just like my stomach. But okay, you didn't feel drunk afterwards? No, I don't think one shot while so like, five, seven. And like,

Scott Benner 1:36:44
I don't know, I done a shot like, three times in my life. So I don't even know.

Arden Benner 1:36:49
In one night.

Scott Benner 1:36:51
I don't remember. This is a really long time ago. It was like well over 30 years ago, so I don't know. Really. Okay, so, Episode 999. Mike, so my my last last question for you is people used to ask all the time, does your daughter mind that you're making this podcast? Does it bother you at all?

Arden Benner 1:37:15
That you make the podcast? Yeah. Why would I don't understand how that would affect me. Okay, so because I keep myself out of this like this right now what I'm doing. I am forced into this because he is paying for my knowledge.

Scott Benner 1:37:29
You feel forced to make this episode peace

Arden Benner 1:37:31
and love. I don't want to be doing this. But are we having a good time? Yeah, but we could also do this without a microphone in front of our face.

Scott Benner 1:37:37
I know. Yeah. Don't you think our podcasts would be good, though, if we just made a podcast? Oh, my God,

Arden Benner 1:37:41
any podcast I'm a part of would do absolutely incredible. But you don't want to be involved? Yeah. Also, oh my God, I feel like I should say this now. Because I've hit rock bottom here. I officially GIVE UP WITH YOU Instagram people, you will never just not request me. Okay, you're just gonna keep coming to me and requesting me. And you know what it is what it is. And I'm here to say whatever you're giving me followers now. But it is what it is. You're gonna let them follow you. Yeah. And so now if you follow me, you must and I mean, you must buy from my clothing company at some point in my life. That's that this is like, this is where we're at?

Scott Benner 1:38:20
Well, you could design T shirts for the podcast. I won't be

Arden Benner 1:38:23
doing that. I don't want that reputation. But um, yeah, I made my account like public a couple years ago when I posted a photo of Tom Holland because I really was like, wishing he would see it. He didn't. But I just never changed it. And now you all find me. But I mean, whatever it is just up in my status. I guess

Scott Benner 1:38:41
I have way more Instagram followers than you? Well, yeah.

Arden Benner 1:38:45
I hope so.

Scott Benner 1:38:46
I hope so. I know. Right? But so you don't care that the podcast exists. It's not a thing that bothers you? No. All right. Do you like that? It helps people. I think as you get older, it changes for you.

Arden Benner 1:38:59
Wait, here's what I'll say. I don't dislike it. Um,

Scott Benner 1:39:06
hey, it's Scott. I'm jumping in to let you know that the podcast is gonna stop in a second. I know it's abrupt but Arden's blood sugar got low very quickly. She had a higher blood sugar earlier in the day that we adjusted pretty aggressively. And while we were sitting here, neither of us kind of saw it coming. She said she could feel it coming for a while. But she didn't expect it to be this harsh. So you're going to hear her say she's low. We finish up the show, and we're out. But there were a few minutes of the podcast that we're cutting because she just wasn't herself and it's not a good representation of her.

Arden Benner 1:39:42
My blood sugar is getting urgently low. I'm so irritable. Are you really low? Yes. And I can feel it and I'm sweating and I'm so excited to eat after this. Okay, I literally have a bathing suit on and I'm sweating.

Scott Benner 1:39:56
Oh, how can we then how can we didn't say anything?

Arden Benner 1:39:58
Because I was excited to get to a point where I just speak. Oh, okay.

Scott Benner 1:40:02
It was interesting what happened like you got aggressive with your pleasure got louder. I

Arden Benner 1:40:05
know. It was interesting. I did that today earlier today too, because that was around the time I started reading my syllabus.

Scott Benner 1:40:13
Oh, and that's when you started getting agitated. really upset. That's super interesting. Okay, well, let's get you something to go and we'll say goodbye then. Right? Do you want to say goodbye? No, it's just over now.

Arden Benner 1:40:26
I mean, like maybe that's my blood sugar was 40 points higher we could do. Okay, I want to eat

Scott Benner 1:40:31
Okay, well, we're gonna go then

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Scott Benner 0:00
Hello friends and welcome to episode 998 of the Juicebox Podcast.

Today on the Juicebox Podcast Jenny Smith returns for another myth episode today's is like super sized compared to some of the other myth episodes. Maybe that's because we're tackling the myth that your doctor knows best. If after this is over, you'd like to hire Jenny Smith. She works at integrated diabetes.com. Please remember that nothing you hear on the Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice, medical or otherwise, always consult a physician before making any changes to your health care plan. We're becoming bold with insulin. If you're looking for an omni pod, check out Omni pod.com forward slash juice box. If you'd like to start drinking ag one you can get five free travel packs in the year supply of vitamin D with your first order at AG one.com forward slash juice box. And you can wear the same joggers I do sleep on the same sheets Well, not exactly the same. They all come from cozy earth.com is what I mean I guess. Anyway, you can get those sheets and joggers and bath towels and everything else for 40% off when you use the offer code juicebox at checkout at cozy earth.com.

Today's episode of The Juicebox Podcast is sponsored by touched by type one, they'd like you to check them out on Facebook and Instagram and it touched by type one.org. The podcast is also sponsored by Dexcom, makers of the Dexcom G seven ng six continuous glucose monitoring system. My daughter is currently wearing the G seven and it's terrific small, easy to wear. You almost don't notice it's there. That's a rhyme dexcom.com forward slash Juicebox Podcast is also sponsored today by us med. That's the place where Arden gets her G sevens from and her on the pods and a lot of other stuff. U S med.com forward slash juicebox head over there now. Get your free benefits check and get started today. If you don't like you don't like using the internet. You can always use the phone 888-721-1514 Get started with us med tech. Yay. All right, I hit record. Hey, Jenny, welcome back to the diabetes myth series. Yay. Are you

Jennifer Smith, CDE 2:39
I'm fine. How are you?

Scott Benner 2:40
Good. Oh, I'm good. It's Friday. So it is a good day. Yeah, yes. Yes. Friday is a good day. So we're gonna tackle this one today. Your healthcare professional knows best.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 2:52
That's Oh, that's a fun one. Yeah.

Scott Benner 2:55
And it is supported here by so much feedback from people. And now didn't come the way I expected. So you're basically in this episode going to hear a lot of people's stories about interactions they've had with medical professionals. And then you and I will banter about voila. While we move from story to story. That makes sense. Fabulous. Yes. All right.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 3:19
This should be fun. Well, yeah. Okay. Coffee today.

Scott Benner 3:24
I'm drinking water with what did you tell me to put my water? Oh, the electrolyte? I did that.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 3:30
Oh, good job. Do you like them?

Scott Benner 3:32
Yeah, they're terrific. Actually can put a little flavor in the water makes everything better? It does with the new which one? Did you go

Jennifer Smith, CDE 3:39
in there? And you you and yes, I did.

Scott Benner 3:41
Yeah. So put the water and I drop in a tablet? Fizzy and go. Fabulous. Okay, so I'm going to point out some obvious ones here based on the feedback. Apparently, a lot of our dentists and I doctors fancy themselves diabetes professionals. So the endless things here. My eye doctor asked my daughter has she checked her blood sugar today. Because Jenny's laughing already. I was like wait, well, first of all, we have a CGM. And she checks her blood sugar all the time. She has type one diabetes. And that that was it. He didn't know what they were talking about. Just write her diabetes and said Did you check your blood sugar today? Yes, that's

Jennifer Smith, CDE 4:36
I, I feel like where it kind of stems from is the fact that they know they they have questions that they have to ask. Right. And they're on a typical intake form. This being one of them that coincides with a diagnosis that is on their medical history right And so they have to ask a question about which they really don't have good education at all. Because they are in a dentist or an eye doctor, or even potentially like a podiatrist, they're in a field that is very narrow. And so they know a lot, thankfully about what you're there for. Right? But on a baseline, they know that with diabetes, you should check your blood sugar. They may not even know very much about the medication that you take. I mean, I've had doctors, which I've only gone to once and I've been like, you're fired? Did you take your insulin today? We're really did I take my insulin today? That's

Scott Benner 5:47
the one Yeah, like so that's just so I think that's the obvious. Tell, I'm talking to a person who doesn't know what they're talking about. But another person makes the point that while I'm at a an appointment, and the doctor, the nurse, the somebody has no clear idea what they're talking about. My kid keeps looking at me like, you like, why are we here? Like, yeah, like, you know, why are we listening to this person who doesn't understand all of this stuff that I know, a lady said that, um, they were in the ER, and people started flooding in and treating the kid like a sideshow to look at his decks calm and look at his pump. And they're like, Oh, look at this. Like they had never seen it before. It was magical to them. And then the kids response was, he shouldn't these be the people who know what this stuff is. But no, and it's not like one story, Jenny, it like goes on and on and on. I can't tell you how many comments sound like this. My dentist, firmly lectured my three year old and told her to never drink juice because it's bad for her teeth. And he knew she was diabetic. Well, first of all, you can't really lecture a three year old.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 7:08
No weird decision.

Scott Benner 7:11
But But then, like, clearly the

Jennifer Smith, CDE 7:13
dentist also does not know Child Development very well, either. Yes.

Scott Benner 7:17
So then they describe look, the kids got diabetes, sometimes her blood sugar gets low. And we have to drink juice because they get in a dangerous situation. But then blank stares, because then there's no next thing to say like they're programmed. Don't drink juice. Don't use gummy bears, like like, these are the things my dentist will tell you the same thing over and over again, don't don't chew like potato chips, because they're dry and they get stuck in your teeth. Like bright gummy bears. sugar all over your teeth, it gets stuck, blah, blah. Yep. But then once you say, well, I need that stuff, then they don't know what to say. After that.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 7:51
They're more comments. And I think that's that's the frustration really is that they have a comment to share. Because they know from again, they're very narrow, narrow field of focus, that extra food or excess food, especially sugary types of foods or carbohydrate rich types of foods that gets stuck and may not get brushed off. Sure. Yeah. Can that create dental problems? Absolutely, it can. But to go the distance that dentists then should be able to say, Okay, if you need to treat this way, I recommend doing this. If at night, you have to treat with sugar. Try to treat with juice and have your child take a drink of water and swish it around in their mouth if possible at night, right? That's

Scott Benner 8:40
what there should be steps you don't think they should say, Oh, you have to give sugar to stop low blood sugars. Isn't his diabetes under control? Oh, you don't think that's what they should have said? Because that's the next one. Right? This dentist told the person stop using Skittles. Give your daughter something healthy. And she's like, so what am I supposed to do at three o'clock in the morning? Exactly. Yeah, what am I what am I what am I supposed to do?

Jennifer Smith, CDE 9:12
I think what it honestly boils down to is again, the general public including people who we think of as being well educated right have advanced degrees have advanced medical type of degree is it boils down to the even them not having a basic idea whether it's type one or type two, from a dental perspective. At some point someone may need to use sugar. Right? So they should have an understanding that if they know the impact of sugar on the teeth for this population of people, why do you should have an extra explanation to what to do?

Scott Benner 9:53
Well, this person was told the dentist told me my old dentist told me you're an adult And you should know better than to have a snack or drink juice at night. And then went on to say that diabetics don't actually have to monitor their glucose at night. Because, because and this is a quote, that's not a thing. Well,

Jennifer Smith, CDE 10:17
clearly that was their old dentist. Now, I don't know if they mean old as an age. We got rid of this.

Scott Benner 10:25
Yeah, after we stopped going to that dentist, but the being serious. The responses here about dentists and eye doctors go on and on and on. And I do listen, my expectation is this eye doctors especially. They're thinking type two, they've been trained to look for problems in your eyes, right? Yes. And their expectation a lot like when I talked to emergency room workers, is that a lot of the people that they see, don't have great agencies and stability. And so it, it's always the, the example I always use is that my friend is a police officer. And through the course of his day, most of the people he meets are trying to get over on him one way or the other. And that he noticed that was slipping into the way he was thinking in his private life and had to like stop himself, because he just expected everyone was lying to him. And I think that's what happens. I think they expect that. Instead of saying, Well, I work in a hospital. So I'm going to see sick people. You know, they say, well, these people are here because they have diabetes, not because their diabetes isn't managed, well managed. Yeah. But because they have it in general. So let me jump to the to this one. Hold on a second. Where is it? Sorry, there's so much here.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 11:45
But this was this one must have like yellow highlighting around? Well, I'm

Scott Benner 11:49
jumping over hang out for you. I'm literally jumping over all the repetitions, my seven year old was yelled at by her dentist. And then I was told that you need to call her doctor and regulate her numbers.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 12:03
And that's a way to get you to come back to the dentist.

Scott Benner 12:06
Well, that's where that leads into all of these comments from people that the amount of people who have been asked, Are you stable? Are you regulated? Are you that that language right there in all different kinds of settings?

Jennifer Smith, CDE 12:21
And we can even go back to some of the other myths where that was also stated, whether it's how do you deal with comments coming from people that are just outright they're stupid? I'm sorry, I hate that word. But they are stupid comments, right? So it kind of goes back to the idea that at some point, you should know enough to be able to have this quote unquote, regulated or stabilized. And I don't know how to break that. I don't know how to break that idea that at some point, it'll all just work itself out. And you won't have to deal with lows or high blood sugars, or, you know, any of the stuff that clearly these medical professionals think is possible. Yeah.

Scott Benner 13:08
No, it's tough. I mean, this is going to lead really well. People don't know who are listening. But when you and I are done recording the myth series, we're going to move on to some stuff for for doctors. And so I think this is I might hold on to something he's actually so we can go back around that would be fabulous. Yeah, it just, it really is interesting to see this feedback from people. And the older, what I'm seeing here is the older people are, the longer they've lived with diabetes, the more of these experiences they've had. And the it just doesn't stop. Like you're too old to have type one. You're too thin to have type one. Like all of that stuff just keeps happening. You don't have type one diabetes, you were diagnosed in your 50s.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 13:53
Or it's been a dentist told somebody Oh,

Scott Benner 13:55
no, this is now we're getting into doctors. Oh, yeah. This woman was told that the worst thing that she said ever happened to her was the doctor told her that she has a progressive disease and it will get worse. Like she's going to deteriorate is what she was told. And that's not that long ago, by the way. This was told to her. Yeah.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 14:19
And this is where I feel like as an educator, I truly feel so sad. That that I wish that I could just announce like a big announcement that every single person could hear. Let's take Can you please keep your comments and really do your learning before you make a comment about something right. It's where I wish that I could go to conferences and speak to you know, medical groups or dental boards or these these groups of medical professionals who clearly are not getting it right and then are coming with comments to those who are actually living the day to day grind of life with diabetes again, regardless of what type it is, I'd like to be able to just stand up and be like, Look, can you please get your information, right? Don't use, don't flap your lips, unless you actually know what you're gonna say.

Scott Benner 15:23
Listen, I was invited to talk at one of those things. And when I told them, what I wanted to talk about was how I've been able to communicate with people about diabetes, and help them they told me that I wasn't a doctor, and I couldn't talk about that. So if you didn't have the credentials, I could come in and be like a, like a famous person and just say, blah, blah, blah, blah, and fill a room for them. But they didn't want me to say anything real. So I didn't go. So great. Yeah, I so I don't know how you get there, the gatekeepers? They are Yeah, so they're absolutely even if you could get in there and he started talking, you might get a tomato in the face, and you'd be out of there in five seconds. Anyway, get down, I

Jennifer Smith, CDE 16:00
wouldn't take honestly, I would be happy to take tomatoes as long as I could stay on the stage and just talk and be real. And say, you need to learn, you need to learn from real examples of what the people coming to you for help are talking to you about. And again, especially for the practitioners who are more the very centered type of, you know, practice, like, again, a dentist or an eye doctor where you may know enough that diabetes can have impact on this part of your body. But before you ask questions that are just coming from a form that you have to read off and checkboxes on Ask them in a way that actually makes

Scott Benner 16:51
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here's a very specific answer. This woman is a 35 year plus type one. She said she goes to a regular doctor or to a dentist. She has gingivitis the doctor with no access to her medical records, no knowledge of her time and range or agency or anything else says, Well, you know take control of your diabetes can prevent this. It just that's the only thing they said to him. So she went to another physician kind of figured out once the doctor said that didn't have access. Like they just kind of talking about this. So she went to a woman's health provider and it turns out she gets something called menstrual gingivitis. Oh, and okay, who would even know, right? You know what I mean? But but the first guy told her do better. And this won't happen. And if she would have left with that in her head, then she would have spent the rest of her life torturing yourself all by the way, already with a great agency and time and rich everything would have tortured herself, not gotten this issue, figured out and spent her whole life like flailing with this I I very much like take that too. When my wife went to endocrinologist for years with what was clearly hypothyroid, seven months and they would look at her tests and go you don't have that because your TSH isn't high enough. It's in range, they would say. And then seven years she struggles until finally we learned enough to push a doctor to do something. Right.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 23:12
Right. And if this was a I mean, just obviously singling out this one particular example, this dentist then clearly didn't know enough even in his own practice setting to be able to say, Well, sure you have diabetes. But again, another question. How are you managing and then this person could have come back and said, I manage really well. My agency is here. I mean, my dentist actually asked me what my ear one a one C is which is great, right? But she could have come back and said it's here. I do really well. I manage my diabetes really well and then the dentist could have said his knowledge base should have been to understand that menstrual gingivitis could have been an issue.

Scott Benner 23:59
Well, maybe it's you will so we do the same thing like I lead with Arden's a one says this she is it's been like this for years she's incredibly well managed, like get past that because a lot of these things are like every doctor I go to blames my diabetes for no matter what it is the you know, and this here's an interesting one friend of mine has type one for years. She moves needs new Endo, gets the new Endo. The endo insists that she has type two and not type one diabetes and tries to like manhandle her into getting off of insulin. I don't even know how not to laugh, like so she's the type one for years. And someone you've just met goes looks at a piece of paper No, you don't have type one diabetes and didn't want to give her scripts I don't know what this is

Jennifer Smith, CDE 24:56
it the ones that you like run out of the room like oh my Gotta like I gotta go, almost announcing to the waiting room full of people do not see this person, right. That's how you honestly feel I had one example of that when we first moved to the DC area, I went to see a primary care just to get new prescriptions before I could get into my Endo. Like two months later or something, right? This primary care doctor had to look in, like a pharmacy manual to figure out how to write the script for my insulin. And then was still confused. And I ended up telling them how to write my prescription. This is, I mean, in general, even primary care. should know the basics of insulin prescribing.

Scott Benner 25:48
Yeah, I Arden's first. Oh, God, she really is gonna listen back to this one day and be like, What the hell, but her first ever OB appointment I was at. And like the intake nurse. We couldn't. We couldn't find a way to describe to her that insulin wasn't a thing she took, like once a day. Like I just I'm like, listen, there's Basal insulin. And there's no it just was a she. I just I stopped. I was like, write down whatever you want. I don't even care. Because we're not

Jennifer Smith, CDE 26:20
here for this. We're only here for hormonal menstruation needs gynecology. That's what we're here.

Scott Benner 26:27
And then you know, what ends up happening later is that a person who actually understands looks at it, if you get lucky, and they go, why is it like this? And I just said it lady, the lady that was talking to me earlier, she just wasn't getting it. So I let it go. You know, what am I supposed to do? A lot of the you need to regulate her numbers has has he leveled out yet. That's a big one. My daughter was in the emergency room waiting to be discharged. So they're in there for a non diabetes thing. And I asked the nurse, can I get a juice because my daughter's getting low. The nurse laughed, laughed, and then said quote, no juice for you. You're diabetic. So the lady has to then explain to an ER nurse. Yes, she's diabetic, she has insulin, she's had too much of it, her blood sugar is getting low, I need the juice to save her. And that that had to be explained before it can be brought in. Again, a lot of this also

Jennifer Smith, CDE 27:23
is it makes me think of the reason that a lot of people with diabetes and or a medic, another medical condition that isn't necessarily well understood. In general. It sometimes feels like you have to put on a coat of armor, to like stand up and be able to stand up for yourself. Right? And to address these comments that are so hurtful isn't the right word, but they are it's like you have to defend yourself against stupidity.

Scott Benner 28:03
I think it's exhausting. I think it's hurtful. It's hurtful in that it's exhausting. Like you're just like, oh again, is this gonna happen again? Like okay, and then you gotta rally and you be like, okay, so juice and you know, but the whole time you have to be thinking you are a nurse in an EMR. Like, you can't possibly not understand what I'm saying, like I get when my mother in law brings the wrong thing. When I say Arden is low, I don't understand what a nurse says you can't have juice because you have diabetes. All right here, this one is from a doctor. They kept telling this person it's okay. If your son's blood sugar spikes to 400 as long as it comes back down.

Unknown Speaker 28:46
I've heard this many times. Yeah.

Scott Benner 28:50
Now she's having a remembrance of this time the kids blood sugar goes to 432. And because they gave him like pizza and stuff that they didn't even understand how to manage yet. The kid flies up over 400 She's upset. So she's calling the nurse. And the nurse is you know, at the the the Windows Office is telling her like you don't do anything. Just wait. And hours and hours and hours go by and they're waiting and waiting. And she's no she's doing the wrong thing. And it's making her upset. And the doctor's office is telling them no. Like, yeah, just No, you don't don't Bolus again, you have to wait. You put the insulin and it's going to work, right? I mean, some of the bread and butter this podcast is talking about bolusing for fat and protein. Like people love those episodes, because it is obviously a thing that nobody tells you about work. I mean, in this example, they just don't even understand. A school nurse told this woman her child did not need to Pre-Bolus because another child in the school has diabetes, and they don't Pre-Bolus

Jennifer Smith, CDE 29:54
Because and that's the only example that this person that this nurse in the school has and says, Well, it works for this person, this must be the standard of care. So this is what we're going to use.

Scott Benner 30:06
More importantly, had she met the Pre-Bolus ng family first, then when the non Pre-Bolus ng family would have said we don't Pre-Bolus She would have been Oh, no, you have to? Because the other person I know already does it. Like that's literally, that's just stupidity, that's not being able to work. Well, that's also

Jennifer Smith, CDE 30:23
like saying, Well, you have this condition, you should be using this medication. Right? It's not a person to person, we very much obviously know that it's very different. So person to person, even with type one diabetes in a school child, this child might be using this type of a system in which this type of strategy is necessary. This child might be completely different. So strategies need to be very individualized.

Scott Benner 30:56
Well, I went through this with Arden in school. When I I called the nurse's office one day and I said, Hey, art, and she was she was still really young. And I was like, Arden needs to come down and get insulin. You know, I texted her, and she told me what her blood sugar was. It's too high. It's like 200. And I needed you to push it down. And she goes, We're not going to do that. And I said, why not? She goes, there's like four or five kids in the school. We don't do that for any of them. And I so where I am, I don't know what's wrong with me why I'm wired the way I am. But I was like, Listen, I don't give a crap what those other families are okay, with. It's meaningless to me if they want their kids to walk around with high blood sugars, that God bless, like, that's fine. My daughter does this not doing a thing? Because other people are doing it? Are you out of your mind? Like what kind of like, there's no common sense, whatsoever. But But even after, but to their credit, after I explained it, she's like, okay, but like, why was that the first thing she said? Like, why can't people think is is my problem? Like? Like, I already heard this from somewhere else. So that's the rule, because you heard it first. Like, I don't I don't get that. I really don't. There's a comment here that's not attached to a story that I just want to read. I wonder if the people who tell us these lies, would follow those rules if they had type one diabetes themselves?

Jennifer Smith, CDE 32:20
Well, and that's a it's a great because quite honestly, even if they learned a little bit about type one diabetes, they would change their tune very, very quickly. I think it also makes people I know myself, as I think about it, in going into any new health care provider, someone I've not seen before, as I said before, I sort of on a subconscious level, I know that there's going to be explanation that I have to bring in that I feel really frustrated about that I have to provide this almost this education session in just like a two minute conversation, to get them to understand that. Please, please don't offer me information. I don't need your information, like I'm here for this. Please give me this. I will tell you this about myself, I will answer it for you. And we will go on our merry way as

Scott Benner 33:21
well. And look how sad that is. So you know how to take care of your diabetes, so you don't need them. But other people need them. And what they're getting from them is not just wrong, sometimes. But awesome. Opposite here. Here's an opposite. I was having a hospital stay. The resident told me, I will need less insulin because I'm bedridden. So less activity. Not that's opposite. They're likely going to need more insulin for being. Right. I mean, maybe not exactly. But the idea that it's definitely going to be less because you're not moving around is countered.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 33:57
And the fact that they're there for a hospital stay is probably a stressor, right? It's not like you're bedridden at Disneyworld, and like enjoying Mickey Mouse breakfast, right?

Scott Benner 34:09
Also, by the way, there could be there's always variables, here's one that jumps in my head. If you're a person who's not well hydrated, and you use a lot more insulin cuz you're not well hydrated, then I sit you in a bed and I put an IV in your arm and hydrate the hell out of you. Your insulin might work better. And you might have a different so maybe that's what there's who knows, but it's just that person knew that's not right.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 34:29
But there, I think there was no explanation. And so I think that's another piece behind all of this is that there's no explanation for some of the silly comments that end up coming out. And you are the person with diabetes or the caregiver, you know, a child or somebody you're left thinking, how could they think this like what am I supposed to do with this nonsense information that you're talking about?

Scott Benner 34:56
Or isn't it even more shocking to hear than a person Somebody's told you have to have type two diabetes, because you're older, but that person who told him that is a neurologist, like, isn't there? I mean, am I? Am I the only one who hears neurologists and thinks you must be a pretty bright person? You don't I mean, would like the capacity to remember a lot of things and correct? Yes. This person says, I hate having a lazy Doctor Who decides that anything else wrong with me, has to be my diabetes. And then the response is, if you lower your agency, this is This one's interesting. If you lower your agency, your osteo, arthritis in your hand will go away. You had a abscess in your tooth, because your diabetes is uncontrolled. That's why you need a root canal and antibiotics because your diabetes is not managed well. Then this one is fascinating. And by the way, the amount of people who then said this happened to them was mind numbing. They had rotator cuff problem, okay. But because they had diabetes, they told them, they had frozen shoulder, okay. And then they put them through vigorous exercise, frozen shoulder exercises, on their chewed up rotator cuff that had nothing to do with frozen shoulder. The amount of people in one sub thread that talked about this happening to them is mine.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 36:25
So literally, they didn't have frozen shoulder, which is no potential complication of that it is yes. But they actually didn't have frozen shoulder. They were told that they did. When it was really more of another issue.

Scott Benner 36:38
They all had rotator cuff tears, and it was nothing. But there's four people here saying that they all had rotator cuff tears. Their doctor said, Oh, you have diabetes, this is frozen shoulder. And then they get I don't know how people know, like they they want to break up the chair that the What am I thinking? Right? Yeah. And so they they're they do these, like, if you've ever had a torn rotator cough, which I have had. So I have thankfully, I have a good feeling about this. It's incredibly painful. And moving your arm makes it a lot worse. So this one lady did it for a year. A year. And then finally the doctor was like, oh, let's take an image. Oh, you're

Jennifer Smith, CDE 37:24
doing image to be good, like fright? I don't know. Yes. Yeah, I would think so. Like if you're gonna die or anything. I mean, you don't write

Scott Benner 37:34
I guess you. But that's this is what people talk about over and over again. And they see the diabetes first. And then they have mind runs to that those ideas that I always like, you know, you see people online talk all the time. The phrase, are you like real person sick? Like, like, I don't feel well? Are you real person sick? Do you have a cold? Or is this your diabetes? Like, like, you know, like, that's the thing people say. And I think that's an example of the doctor just skipping over a real person's stick and going right to Will you have diabetes, so this must be that. That's it. My this, this conversation about the shoulder thing goes on forever. Oh, here, here, in the same vein, I went to the ER with sepsis. This is a serious thing. But they told me to go away control my glucose levels, and I'll be better. So they, so they didn't, she had sepsis. They didn't take time to realize she was septic. They just tested her blood sugar and told her that was the problem. And it was probably high because she had sepsis. Well, she said, I do believe that it's because I had sepsis that my blood sugar was high. And then she ran into a woman in the waiting room. And that person said, I just saw someone die of this last year on

Jennifer Smith, CDE 38:57
something you put one that's

Scott Benner 39:00
yeah. I'm not laughing at this absence. Everyone knows.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 39:05
I wish what I honestly wish I could honestly which clearly it would be so illegal to do. All these people are like, don't go to this establishment. This doctor did this. Clearly we can't do that. But I mean, really, wouldn't you want a list of all the all the people that clearly are not good to go?

Scott Benner 39:25
You're saying like the way you can google sex offenders. They come up on a Mac? Yeah, yeah, I get what you're saying. Oh, sorry. No, no, no, I did. Yeah. Okay. Please don't post your dash. Yeah, I don't think we're supposed to do that. Like I'm not calling. A nurse in a hospital said would you like some honey in your tea? I know you have diabetes, so you can't have sugar. But since honey is natural, it won't affect your blood sugar.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 39:54
That's another good one. What kind of actually makes me think of the Skittles comment that you said earlier like Can't you find something healthier than Skittles? Okay, sure. How about I try raisins. They're just as sticky and gluey as a Skittle is right. sugar is sugar on the teeth. So whether it's a healthier option, or a completely like, created product in some food lab, some place, sugar that's gonna stick to your teeth that you're not going to brush away is still sugars Good.

Scott Benner 40:27
Well, this, this is another one that got a lot of responses, the honey thing happens to people a lot. Like, oh, just use honey, it's natural. That thing. This person said, I was going through the grocery store line. And my bagger kept complimenting me on my health, healthy food choices, but then got to my Truvia and told me I have to put this back and get honey. Because that would be better for me. And she's like, well, I have diabetes, so I'm right. Not and they're like, give it this is a chemical. And yeah, no, I don't is

Jennifer Smith, CDE 41:05
the amount of people I think that again, want to give what they think is going to be helpful information. Because out of the goodness of their heart. They just Oh, I know, I know this thing. I totally want to share this thing with you with no knowledge of what you or somebody else is living with or dealing with. They just, they just want to spew there.

Scott Benner 41:34
Yeah, yeah. All right. I already I already told you this one. Here's one. This is this is more generalized. How many people are told that, quote unquote, tight management is not possible without it being a huge mental load? I think that's, yeah, that happens a lot. Right? Like so. So people are told, don't take that good care of yourself. Because it must be upsetting to you to have to focus on it like that. So is that? Are they trying to say? Trade, mental health, for

Jennifer Smith, CDE 42:08
physical health? What it sounds like, overall,

Scott Benner 42:12
so I'll be happier as I'm dying. It No, that won't happen. When you're dying, you definitely won't be happy. So. So hold on. So I get the ISO, I guess I get the high level idea. Yes. Like don't tax yourself too much. But if, but when I see this, sent to me, it's very frequently by people who will later tell you I'm not taxed by it. Like I figured it out. I'm doing well. Maybe once these the five, and then they go to a doctor's office. And they're told, stop. Like, I want your agency higher. Those words come out of people's mouths a lot. Yes.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 42:47
Yeah. And I think there is, I mean, the mental component of managing? Absolutely. Could it become overwhelming if you really are over the top in, like, consistently, like, click, click, click, click, click, I gotta see, I have to see I have to look, I have to do this, I have to adjust this, I have to do this, blah, blah, blah. And you never really do learn how to get to that. I don't want to use the word stable. But that place of just knowing for the most part where

Scott Benner 43:16
your decisions, your decisions lead to stuff that doesn't read, constantly bumped around.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 43:21
Yeah, so the mental load can definitely be considerable. But for somebody to say trade, the mental part of it for happiness with less management, by no means is going to make you happier.

Scott Benner 43:37
Also, wouldn't you start off by asking, do you find this too taxing Right? Right. Yeah. Because maybe the person will go yes, actually, it is. But but for the people go, No, I'm good. Like, thanks. Like, you just are assuming that because my numbers are lower than other people's, that I must be putting a ton of effort into it. Oh, that is what it is. Okay. Yeah. Let's see how it was that one. And that, that leads into my my spouse also thinks that I'm micromanaging things. And then they call me a control freak. And but the person says, But I'm less stressed now than I was before. Right? Because I'm seeing blood sugar's mainly between 80 and 130. My mom told me that I was being too hyper about this. My son's endo is good because he has type one himself, but still, the nurses are not helpful. Isn't isn't that interesting? Right, like you, the doctor knows. And somehow the staff doesn't know.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 44:41
And I think there's a different level of understanding there. To a degree. I've also always thought that nurses or the other support clinical staff within an endocrinology practice, they really should be well schooled. In that particular medical condition, right. And so I think that's where a little bit of that lack might come in. Maybe you do have a really awesome Endo, or nurse practitioner or PA who does get the diabetes part of it the way that they should. But the support staff may not. And it's frustrating. I know.

Scott Benner 45:27
My neighbor is a nurse and told me quote, at least you'll never be fat. Oh. Is that? I don't know. Is it easy to be a nurse? What is happening? i It seems like something that would be difficult to accomplish.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 45:43
And easy. I mean, no, there's a lot of schooling that goes into being a nurse. I,

Scott Benner 45:49
yes. I don't even want to dig into that. Because I don't even understand what that means, like type ones. Oh, she just means type twos.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 45:58
I don't know even what that means. Oh, God,

Scott Benner 46:00
I don't even know how to pick that one apart. I went to pick up my prescription and the pharmacist told me, No one needs to check their blood sugar eight to 10 times a day for test strips, and then went on to say I doubt your insurance companies even going to approve such a crazy amount of test strips. Crazy amount. You're crazy.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 46:20
I had, I actually had this as a personal experience at my pharmacy. I did. And I really did. I wrote a letter to that I wrote a letter to the company. I was so angry. I was I had gotten to pick up my test strips. And my order is for a good number of test strips, right? Even though I have a CGM, right, who knows about the zombie apocalypse? Right? Standing kind of outside of the area where they're filling, and there's an open window and like the pharmacy techs and the pharmacist can have discussion. And this pharmacy tech was looking at my order. I know it was my order, because I was the only one there. And the specifics of the order for the number of tests a day. She actually said something to the degree of what this comment is that knowing that I was there and that I could hear she was like, what kind of person why would you even need to check your blood sugar this many times a day. That just seems outrageous. And I was to Yuming I was so angry and I was like, keep it together Jenny. I was like this is going to their corporate office. I was so so angry about just the comment. And so I wrote a letter and I got a really good I got a really nice letter back. And whether it's that this person doesn't work the same shifts or whatever, I've never seen this person there again. Whether it's got let go or had significant discussion or whatever it was, but I was I was fuming mad.

Scott Benner 48:06
Do you think the nurse was let go Who told someone their three year old didn't need a snack because the pump was going to stop the load from happening. The adults said there was a lot of insulin on board left. They told me that I was over managing him didn't know what I was talking about and the pump take care that pump takes care of everything. So

Jennifer Smith, CDE 48:27
literally this person was refusing to provide a treatment to hell.

Scott Benner 48:32
Yeah, we're, we're gonna end up here with some after this one, we're gonna end up with some school nurse stuff. So but you have to hear this one. My son had his first seizure from diabetes from a low when he was nine years old. To complicate things we had been doing karate the night before. And I was afraid that maybe he had his head too hard being thrown. They live in a rural area, and they went to the emergency room after giving him glucagon during the seizure. The ER doc had already been eyeing me because I'm a large bodied person, and I was getting judgmental looks. Then the CT scans came back. And I guess they were clear that they were they were clear. And the doctor said the CT scans are clear. And then quote if you guys just stay clear of the MooMoo burgers this won't happen again. Oh. And then while he was saying that, he was tracing Oh my god. I don't usually get thrown off by

Speaker 2 49:30
oh my gosh, I just thrown off Uber

Scott Benner 49:33
well while the ER doctor said if you guys just stay clear of the moo moo burgers this won't happen again. He was using his finger to trace her form in front of her oh wow, that threw me off. He walked out before I could muster up how to explain to him that one obesity doesn't cause type one diabetes and children. That to my child is actually adopted. And that fast food doesn't cause seizures. Oh, yeah, he still works at the hospital. She said she had to go back and wood and refuse to Sam. Oh my god. And she did she did write a letter to. Anyway, I actually made me upset

Jennifer Smith, CDE 50:18
makes I'm so sorry to that person. If I know I always tell people like when I'm working with, you know, people on Zoom, obviously. And sometimes there's a very, like emotional conversation. Sometimes people just get teary eyed and like, I wish I could give you a hug.

Scott Benner 50:34
I'm so sorry. That one threw me off except that like, I get that pins in my chest. I think I got I think I was mad. That was really something. Okay, so the school nurse, either get a good one or you don't? I don't know another way to say really are some really great ones. And oh, my god, there are Yeah, no, no, there, there absolutely are we and we ended up having good ones. I've heard of school nurses who have bought iPads with their own money to follow tax comps, things like that. But this person points out, you're going to get told by the school that the school nurse is trained to handle the problem. And that really might not be the case. So advocate, I don't

Jennifer Smith, CDE 51:17
think might is that marry, it may very well not be the case, you will very likely have to go in and educate in your individual nature of need. Because even if the school nurse has had experience with a type one, like you said before, in that example, which astounds me, no one will need the same management.

Scott Benner 51:44
And you might get this one who called the mom to say her sixth grader was on a trip with a school and they had a low blood sugar. But don't worry, they made sure he did not have any candy because they know diabetics cannot have sugar.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 51:58
Oh, I'd be in the car. Drive to wherever my child, my child. Oh, wait, hold by gets scarier especially like a child who really is old enough and knows better. would likely have something on their person and would likely know well enough to be like, Look, I'm going to treat this, I don't care what you're saying, I'm going to do what I need to do. But for a very small child, or one that doesn't really know quite yet what to do on their own. You are leaving it to the power of this nurse to help.

Scott Benner 52:34
Yeah, no, I mean, listen, there's a bigger conversation here, you have to educate them, you have to go to a meeting before school starts, you really have to lay the whole thing out, you know, put your intentions upfront how you want to manage it, what your expectations are of them. It's a it's a very delicate,

Jennifer Smith, CDE 52:51
I think I've seen often too, especially since school is really coming up for a lot of people, I see the discussion about five oh fours and all of the different plans and, and everything in what I've seen work the best, quite honestly, is a what I call a decision matrix. It's like an if this then this type of scenario. Very well bulleted, very easy to read in the moment in the need. So that you really can drive those points forward in an easy way. And then they

Scott Benner 53:23
will learn well, it won't take long to learn it after that. This one's a random one. I was diagnosed with type one and couldn't see an endo for the first year. But the doctor I was seeing kept giving me advice about how I could eat so that I could get off of insulin.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 53:37
Oh, thank goodness for that doctor. Yes, I'd like to talk to that doctor. Maybe he can teach me how to eat so I can

Scott Benner 53:45
Yeah, maybe you could get rid of why? Why is she bogarting this doctor who has all the great information. This is a long one I'm going to kind of synopsize a little bit because I think it makes a point. This person said that they were diagnosed for less than 90 days. And they got no note nothing like no information because happens to adults all the time. I know people like to say all the time, it's so hard for a kid to be diagnosed, it's hard for an adult to be diagnosed because they're like, here's insulin, good luck. And you know that that's it, this person found the podcast and this is not me just like trying to say something nice about possible but taught themselves what to do. And then use that information moving forward to shape how they were being managed by the doctor. Like by having like, information and knowing what you want. She was able to say look what I've accomplished. This is how I accomplished it. I'd like to keep doing it like this. And then what you don't know will happen but I trust me I know what's going to happen is the doctor is going to be relieved that they don't because I mean you've just heard these stories forever. They're gonna be like finally one of them I'm not going to mess up and like and then they can they're going to be thrilled to help correct

Jennifer Smith, CDE 54:57
so and help and me Maybe if you really get to have a good doctor there, maybe there will be very willing to ask you questions so that they can also learn more and help someone else who doesn't have the knowledge that you brought in, right? Maybe if they're really good doctor, you know, I also think that the doctors are like, thank goodness, this one's gonna help my ratings go up.

Scott Benner 55:24
Somebody's gonna look like me. They're gonna

Jennifer Smith, CDE 55:26
show that I actually know what I'm talking.

Scott Benner 55:30
So do you have a couple of minutes to just rapid fire through some miscellaneous ones at the end? Yeah, I've got about five minutes. I don't know what this one means. My 10 year old was getting her annual labs for celiac and thyroid, the phlebotomist said, at least you know, she won't grow up to be a junkie. Don't know what that means. Listen, I don't know. I was told by my doctor not to feed my son too much rice, because that will make him get diabetes.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 55:57
And this person already had diabetes.

Scott Benner 56:02
I don't know. I. So this is the stuff that people said that they hear. It's just diabetes. It happens because of diabetes. You need to get off of that stuff. Referring to insulin, insulin. All of my health thought problems are blamed on being diabetic. At one point, this person had a brain bleed. And they were telling them that this their blood sugar is why they have a headache. That on this made me curse. I am sorry, that was I know that they have to label me as uncontrolled for insurance reasons. But I worked so hard. And it really feels like a slap in the face. Yeah. So this person sees their chart and they say uncontrol Also, we didn't get into this. But I think a lot of this maybe we should find a place to get into this in the podcast, but the ADA still say and seven right for an agency. I think that's part of the problem, too. Let's see. I've been told that I can't do things because I have diabetes. Oh, you're a one C so good. Are you sure you even have diabetes? Oh, no, not

Jennifer Smith, CDE 57:15
it's all gone. Now that I got my a one C at this 5.2 level? Clearly I no longer have to do anything. Any. Hallelujah. I fixed it. Yeah.

Scott Benner 57:27
This person said they had a video of their kid online and they had on a pump. And a conspiracy theorist told them that they were turning the child into an antenna. That was interesting. I don't like hearing the word diabeetus. Cuz I don't think it's funny. I was once told I had asked if I had cancer because I saw my pod. That's actually I guess people would know that I know this because of my mom. There's a chemo drug Yes. That you're supposed to get for like 24 hours after. And they put it in and on the pod. It's not. I mean, on the pod insolate makes them you know,

Jennifer Smith, CDE 58:04
I've seen the commercials. With the rare amount of television. I see. Okay, once I saw, I was like, really? They're using the pods for something else. That's amazing. Yeah.

Scott Benner 58:16
I was called a drain on the healthcare system by a doctor. Yeah, wow. I don't know. I can't do much more of this. This is like this goes on and on and on forever. Like this. This is pages and pages of responses from people. This is just

Jennifer Smith, CDE 58:34
I mean, it goes back. I think it was probably within the first one or two of the myths that we did something about comments. You know what not and I said, you even my kindergartener has learned the whole Zipit locket put it in your stomach. Come on, just don't speak. If you're going to come out with something that's absurd. Just leave think first.

Scott Benner 59:02
Yeah, being I've been told I'm a helicopter mom for taking good care of my child's health. Okay, and I'm going to end on this one. Because this

Unknown Speaker 59:09
one, this is the end all of them.

Scott Benner 59:12
I mean, in my mind, it kinda is. And honestly, I can't keep scrolling like it goes on for freaking ever. Although Hold on. When you're nine years old, and you have a low blood sugar and your Dad Hey into a course to fix it. Oh, hold on. Here's what I'm ending on. A nurse told me a nurse who has diabetes. Type one told me another diabetes person. I run better on high octane. I leave my blood sugar high. Okay, there you go. Good luck, everybody.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 59:56
Oh, I don't even I don't know a comment for that. Other than that. I clearly should not be hopefully a diabetes nurse specialist because that's,

Scott Benner 1:00:07
yeah, this one wasn't a doctor, but I once told a friend I was pregnant and they said, I didn't think diabetics were allowed to get pregnant.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 1:00:14
Yeah, I've heard that more often than I need to, especially with the year that we are in currently and all the technology we have and what we know about that.

Scott Benner 1:00:24
Yep. Okay, Jenny, we've done it.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 1:00:28
I wish you know, I was like, smiling and happy and beginning.

Scott Benner 1:00:33
I know, we were all like, it's Friday. All right, I think it's obligatory to say, not every doctor doesn't know what they're talking about.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 1:00:42
100% There are really good physicians are really good nurses. They're really good health practitioners out there that really do what they are aiming to do for the benefit of the people that they're working with. Absolutely. But this clearly demonstrates

Scott Benner 1:01:00
that it exists in and there's more than a little bit of it and it's my intention to present it to you to say that if this any of this stuff or something like this has happened to you, you have to go get a better doctor. Yeah, absolutely. That's really why I'm putting this here. So I hope everybody enjoyed people's stories of ridiculousness, but thank you have a good

Jennifer Smith, CDE 1:01:21
weekend. You too.

Scott Benner 1:01:30
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Scott Benner 0:00
Hello friends, and welcome to episode 997 of the Juicebox Podcast.

Today I'll be speaking with Rasheem. She is the mother of a child with type one diabetes and celiac, they are from Canada. And my note to myself says that I go on some sort of a rant during this episode about people not doing their job. So that'll be fun. While you're listening, please remember that nothing you hear on the Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice, medical or otherwise, always consult a physician before making any changes to your health care plan or becoming bold with insulin. You can drink ag one with my link drink ag one.com forward slash juice box. First time orders through the link get five free travel packs and a year's worth of vitamin D with their first order. You can save 40% off at cosy earth.com With my offer code juicebox that's off of everything. And of course if you're looking for Dexcom on the pod us med G Bo Capo pan are all the sponsors. The links in the show notes are a great way to support the podcast links in the show notes links at juicebox podcast.com. And don't forget to check out the private Facebook group it's absolutely free has 41,000 members Juicebox Podcast type one diabetes links also in the show notes this episode of The Juicebox Podcast is sponsored. You hear that thunder? Can you hear that? Hold on. Oh, Scotty is in trouble. I better do this quick. This episode of The Juicebox Podcast is sponsored by Omni pod makers of the Omni pod five and the Omni pod dash. Learn more Get started today at Omni pod.com forward slash juice box when you use my link, you're supporting the show. The podcast is also sponsored today by the Contour Next One blood glucose meter contour next.com forward slash juice box. The meters are available right there on the website actually the test strips as well. The reason you might care about that is because the contour brand of meters and strips may very well be cheaper in cash, like over the counter out of your pocket than they are through your insurance. Check it out at contour next one.com forward slash juicebox.

Roisin 2:32
My name is Ray machine. And I live in Canada. And I have two kids who are six and eight and my eight year old. I'll use his first name David. He has type one diabetes and celiac disease. He got the celiac diagnosis in February 2020, like a couple of weeks before the world shut down for COVID. And then he got the T one D diagnosis literally a year and three days ago. So January 2022.

Scott Benner 3:03
Thank God you said your name. Because yes, I know. Not spelled like that at all. No,

Roisin 3:09
that's that's that's Gaelic for you.

Scott Benner 3:12
Say it one more time for me. Rasheem got it? Yeah, I'm never going to look at where it's typed out in front of me. I'm just confused here. I mean, what's the most common mispronunciation rows? I

Roisin 3:28
get Roizen reason a lot. And I also answer to reason. Because if you change the O to an A is that that was a fun thing to grow up with in Canada.

Scott Benner 3:41
I'm just a pair of reading glasses away from calling you rays. And aren't I? There you go. Yeah. And in Canada. And you were born and raised?

Roisin 3:52
No, I was born in Ireland. But I moved here when I was six years old. So I'm Canadian at this point, essentially.

Scott Benner 3:58
Well, I was gonna say you're you don't have almost nothing accent. Yeah, yeah. So I thought maybe just that you were born there. But I mean, six is pretty young. So yeah. Okay, well, that explains all the autoimmune stuff. And

Roisin 4:13
yeah, exactly. Exactly.

Scott Benner 4:16
I don't know if we can move the sun towards that part of the world or something. But I

Roisin 4:20
think I don't know. We need some help. I don't know. If we could

Scott Benner 4:23
maybe in a couple of centuries. Wouldn't be going like this. Maybe. Okay, so how about in your family line? Any other autoimmune stuff? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. We

Roisin 4:33
got a few. So on my dad's side is aunt we believe she had celiac disease. But like this was a million years ago and I don't know what they would have even called it celiac disease. But she lived on a farm in rural Ireland and had to like ship special flour in to bake with because she couldn't eat regular flour. So we think that was celiac. And then his uncle had type one diabetes, but he died in the 80s before I was born, so I don't know how he managed it. And then my mom has celiac disease, but she wasn't diagnosed until her 40s When I was about 20. And I never knew of the connection to type one diabetes. But then when my son started having some like abdominal problems when he was five, my brain just kind of went, Oh, celiac, I should get them tested for that. And I called up the doctor and she was like, oh, it's probably not like, you're probably being a hypochondriac, but fine, fine, we'll test them. And then she called me back a few days later, and she was like, his numbers are off the charts. It's definitely celiac. You got to go gluten free right away. So that's, that's how that went?

Scott Benner 5:51
Well, I mean, honestly, good job. figuring it out so quickly, and not ignoring things that were obvious which a lot of us do.

Roisin 6:00
Yeah, well, if my mom wasn't celiac, I never would have. I never would have thought of it or known about it or whatever. So

Scott Benner 6:07
well, yeah, I know. But I've spoken to enough people whose like, siblings have diabetes. They're like, I didn't realize I had diabetes for Yeah, yeah. So it's interesting how your, your mind will want to lead you away from things you don't want to happen, you know? So

Roisin 6:22
absolutely. Yeah. And actually, I only found out recently, I had something when I was a kid called hen. Hanok shanling Pure pura. And I always knew I'd had it when I was a toddler. My parents have told me that it was in the hospital and stuff. I only found out recently that that is autoimmune. So I had something autoimmune, but I didn't realize until literally two or three weeks ago that it was autoimmune.

Scott Benner 6:47
So you made that up, right? What is that again?

Roisin 6:50
No, I know. It's that called hanok. It's h e n o c h and then Sean Lean is SDHONL e i n. Pure pura I got it. P U RP. You are You got it? Yeah, it's a IGA vasculitis. So it's an auto immune response. I had the mumps when I was just just before it turned two. And that was my auto immune response. But I didn't know my parents didn't know like I told them recently that that was autoimmune. And they were like, Oh, gee, nobody told us that. So don't even knew maybe they didn't know back then it was autoimmune because this this would have been like 1984 or something. You know,

Scott Benner 7:30
did they ever call it spring fever? I've never heard that. No, a disorder causing inflammation and bleeding in the small blood vessels. I don't even want to try to hanok I mean, what's the word the middle there's two dots over now affects the small blood vessels of the skin, joints, intestines and kidneys. It's most common before age seven, but can affect anyone symptoms include reddish purple spots on the lower extremities, swollen and sore joints, abdominal pain, and bloody urine. It's often often treated with steroids. Do you remember having it?

Roisin 8:07
No, it was like it was before my second birthday. Before I turned to

Scott Benner 8:12
my parents. Do you remember that? Yeah,

Roisin 8:14
exactly. My parents said basically, one morning like I was the kind of kid who used to come and wake them up at 5am every day. And one morning, they woke up and it was like seven and I hadn't woken them up yet. And they came to my room and I was just sitting there and they're like, What are you okay, like, what's wrong with you? And I was just like, oh, I can't walk. Like I can't walk anymore. And it because it causes it can cause like arthritis and stuff. Yeah. So I basically hurt too much to walk. But you know, being too I was just kind of like, oh, I guess I guess I can't walk today.

Scott Benner 8:43
Yeah, you guys can't spell and I can't walk. So there we go. Oh my gosh, how long was that lasts for?

Roisin 8:52
I think it was in the hospital a couple of weeks. No kidding. Yeah. I mean, back then they kept people in the hospital way longer to so. I don't know. But, you know, once it resolved, it was done and I never thought about it. You know, nobody ever really thought about it again. It's just like a funny family story. That time rushing couldn't walk for a few weeks

Scott Benner 9:12
is everyone remember the hilarious time the baby couldn't stand up? And it's your second and it's autoimmune?

Roisin 9:22
Yeah. About that. Yeah. Okay. I literally found that out. Like since Christmas. I found that out. And it blew my mind because I always figured the auto immune had skipped me and gone to my son. And then I found that it was like, oh, no, it's it's a direct link. There we go.

Scott Benner 9:38
Well, we're gonna add that to the list. I'm doing a series of a master list. Yes, we're doing a short series of other autoimmune issues. Nice. Just that an explanation. They literally might be, you know, 10 minute conversation, right. But yeah, just you know, as people come on, the more common ones are or become obvious like I used to hear like mobile thyroid and type one. And that's it. And then, you know, through the podcast, it was celiac as well. And then, you know, like, now I'm starting to hear more people talk about like, depression, bipolar stuff like that. And right, just thought like, I wonder what else people have that they would never relate back to this inflammation and autoimmune correctly anyway. Well, in you've had never had any other issues. No, about that. No. All right. So your son, David, he's diagnosed celiac first? Yes. And it's two years before stomach stomach pain, you recognize that take him to the doctor. That's that? And do you think after that, oh, he's gonna get more autoimmune stuff? Or does your brain not work that way?

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Roisin 15:09
No, I had no idea the links, but I have to like I had we had an amazing gastroenterologist. We spent a year sort of on the program at our local kids hospital with gastroenterology, you know, when we went every few months and checked his levels and made sure we were managing the gluten free diet and that kind of thing. And then literally like a year later, we did really well his numbers were off the charts. At at first is number they give you like a value greater than value. So his numbers were at 4975, like greater than huge. And then a year later, his numbers were at 21. And basically, they want you to get it to 20 or lower. So we were doing great. But the last thing she said to us before she sort of discharged us to self care. She was like, Oh, by the way, there's a link to type one diabetes. So if you ever noticed a, b and c, make sure you check on that. And I just kind of went oh yeah, whatever. Okay.

Scott Benner 16:07
Just beat celiac disease. So I'm just gonna leave. Yeah, in triumph if you don't mind. Yeah,

Roisin 16:11
exactly. Exactly. Yeah, all

Scott Benner 16:15
this was handled with just diet, right? Like you got from that big number to that smaller number through diet. How difficult or not difficult was it for David to make those adjustments.

Roisin 16:26
So he was only five, which I think helped I, you know, I hear about people getting diagnosed celiac when they're like 14 or 15. And they've had a life of eating, you know, Domino's Pizza, or whatever. And I think that's different, that five years still sort of micromanaging their diet. And also that was like, That was literally a few weeks before the big COVID locked down. So we and where we live, we had some of the strictest lockdown policies anywhere. We basically spent the next two years like preparing all his food. Yeah, so that kind of really helped. He was a pretty he's a superstar about it. Like, once we found the few staples for him, we found you know, some breads that he liked some cookies that he likes some cereal that he liked. We all just um, I like to cook and stuff anyway. So I was always, you know, making meals from scratch and that kind of thing anyway, other than eating out? I didn't find it. I don't find it much of a challenge.

Scott Benner 17:20
Okay. Did the whole family adjust, or

Roisin 17:25
we're kind of I would say we're probably 80 to 90% Gluten Free at home. I changed. We don't we only have gluten free pasta. We only buy gluten free snack foods. We eat a lot of Whole Foods anyway, like just fruit, vegetables, cheese, meat, that kind of thing. He has his own bread and his own toaster. We do have gluten bread in the house, just because I have six and eight year old boys who never stop eating bread. And his loaves of bread are $6 plus a loaf. You know, there's a few little things like that, that we do have gluten in but for the most part, we're pretty gluten free. I would say

Scott Benner 18:01
Yeah. How's the healthcare system in? I don't know, like, just generally speaking, but part of Canada, you were in Ontario. Okay. There's so interesting. Like, there be some people in some parts of Canada who are like, you know, I needed to go to the doctor and it took nine months for me to get an appointment. And then there are some people who have stories like yours, like, oh, the doctor, bah, bah, bang, bang, bang, you know, like, it's, it's super interesting, but it's by province, right? Like, that's how the

Roisin 18:29
province and even even region like Ontario is kind of, we're kind of a weird province because we have some of the most populous cities in Canada. But then the northern parts of Ontario are like very rural and very sort of, you won't have the same access to services and stuff. So I'm lucky I live in a major city. You know, the children's hospitals a half hour drive for us. And I'm lucky that we have a family doctor have a long standing family doctor. Now there's like a big doctor shortage. So if you don't have one, it's really hard to get on a caseload somewhere.

Scott Benner 19:01
Yeah, yeah, we took away the we took away the possibilities for doctors to be rich and a lot of greedy people were like, I don't want to be doctors anymore.

Roisin 19:10
Yeah, and I think the pandemic is just burned out a lot of them too. And they've gotten out of out of the practice or gone to places where they can make more money.

Scott Benner 19:19
Fascinating isn't like, I don't have a job where I can just go like, I'll just go me to go do something else now. I wonder what that's like, I don't wanna do this anymore. Like not that maybe they didn't have a good reason. I'm just saying like, Oh, yeah, an amazing ability to be able to like, I'm just gonna go do something else now. Like,

Roisin 19:35
I'm gonna pick up and leave now. Yeah,

Scott Benner 19:37
I had somebody asked me the other day like, you know, if the podcast like just collapsed, would you start another one? I was like, you know, I was like, This is a once in a lifetime thing that this work delegate just you don't just go make another one. And people are like, Oh, okay, well, we'll make that one to your next one. We'll make that one popular too. I'm like, it doesn't work that way, you know, but yeah, like that. It does sound nice. Though like, I don't want to be a doctor anymore, I'm gonna do something else. Anyway, the reason I asked about that is because once David's diagnosed with type one, I'm wondering if they went right into fast acting, you know, insulin with?

Roisin 20:15
Yeah, no, that's like I have that on my list of things I want to talk about.

Scott Benner 20:20
So what's the first sign of type one? And when you saw it, did you think oh, that nurse jinxed us?

Roisin 20:27
Yeah, maybe. No he. So school was shut down for COVID at the time when his symptoms started coming up, which, like, in a way was a blessing because I was with him 24/7. And so I really got to, I saw the progression, you know, he was doing online school at the time, and I'm a stay at home parents. So like I was supervising him and my other kid, they were, you know, in different rooms on their iPad, and I was making sure they had snacks and drinks and they were paying attention to their teachers and all of that. And he started like, going to the bathroom all the time, and refilling his water bottle all the time. And my husband and I were just like, David, get back to class. Like, we know virtual class is boring, but like, you have to do it, just do it. So stop, stop trying to get out of it every five minutes for a drink of water or a bathroom break. And that's all we thought it was at first. And then he was also just eating like, ridiculous amounts. And he's always been a big eater. But like, I started taking pictures of his plates and sending them to my friends and being like, Haha, growing boys, look what he can eat. He's only seven. And then you know, a couple little things started clicking. And I remember that conversation, I'd had it discharged with the celiac. And I was like, oh, no, like, this can't No, this can't be it. And then I actually I have one of my best friends. Her daughter has type one, her daughter who's the same age as my son. But she was diagnosed at four. And I was texting her and I was like, I don't know, what do you think? And she was like, why don't you just come over and use my glucometer? And you know, like, It's probably nothing. But we'll check. And then you'll know. And I was like, yeah, yeah, let's do that. So I brought him over one Saturday morning. He just had pancakes and maple syrup. And we practice finger and it just read Hi. And my friend and her husband, they both kind of got tears in their eyes and just looked at me and we're like, yeah, we gotta go to the hospital. And that was that. Yeah,

Scott Benner 22:27
to get that maple syrup right out of a tree or to buy in a store?

Roisin 22:30
No, I am not very handy that way. I'm straight from the grocery store.

Scott Benner 22:37
Oh my gosh, it's it's hard to hear that. Or I guess. Like I put myself in your position. But it it must have been difficult to see them get upset.

Roisin 22:48
It was Yeah. Yeah, they both. Yeah, they both tear it up right away. And I was just like, oh, gosh, I know. You know, I'd seen my friend go through it. So I knew it was hard. But you don't know how hard until it's you?

Scott Benner 23:02
Yeah, I was just gonna say that. I was gonna ask the question like, did you? Do you look back now and have more context for the sadness that they had? Or did you? Oh, my

Roisin 23:10
God, like, a couple of weeks later, I messaged her. And I was like, I'm so sorry. I wasn't there for you more like, I'm so sorry. I didn't come and like, I don't know what I could have done, like cleaned your whole house and done all your laundry and taking care of your other child. I'm so sorry. I didn't do that for you. Because now. Now I get it.

Scott Benner 23:28
Yeah. Well now. Because now you're looking at your laundry. And you're

Roisin 23:33
like, I need someone to come do this for me because I was up all night with a low blood sugar. You know,

Scott Benner 23:37
I remember. I remember the moment. I'm so much older now. But I remember the moment when you make that decision in your head. You're like, okay, laundry is not always going to go from the hamper, through the system and right back into drawers. And we're all going to be okay with that. Yeah, exactly. We're all just gonna be okay with that. My wife have enough clothes. My wife fought the longest. She's like, they can't lay around like this. I was like, Oh, I don't know what's gonna happen to happen. Yeah, come up here and do it yourself if you want, but that's about it. Exactly. So David getting a second diagnosis him differently than the first one.

Roisin 24:17
You know, in a way, I think having two years of knowing he had celiac and something that was different than most people in his life, that it almost like laid the groundwork for diabetes. Like he said something in the hospital ER that just like it broke my heart. It was the cutest thing. The doctor sort of said something to him like, like when he was being diagnosed with type one. Like, oh, are you okay? David? Like how do you feel about this? He's like, Well, now now I have to find a cure for celiac and type one diabetes. I was just like, like my heart broke, you know to hear him say that but it was very cute.

Scott Benner 24:56
Does he wants to do something scientific.

Roisin 24:59
Oh, I don't think you know, I think he could do what he wanted he just played Roblox and Minecraft all day but he's got lots of interest yeah

Scott Benner 25:08
don't worry I watched my 22 year old son break up with baseball in his head this year and it was took a while yeah so just between you and me he'll never hear this does he have a scientific mind so far you don't think so?

Roisin 25:21
Oh yeah no he's He's pretty good at science and math and stuff I think if we want if he wanted to go that way probably good all right,

Scott Benner 25:28
well then let's put him on it I don't know what we're busy with this Roblox is that what it's called Roblox? ROBLOX Yeah, we did I make something else up or no did actually exist? Yeah,

Roisin 25:40
it's it. Don't Don't even bother. It's you don't need to know. Consider yourself lucky that you're not exposed to the world of Roblox.

Scott Benner 25:51
Listen, I just again to show my age. I was Rolie polie. Olie bear in the Big Blue House. The Little Einsteins, like this is the stuff my kids saw on television when they were younger. Something called out of the box, where these two people who appeared to be captives of the television production crew were forced to sing with children. And oh, I always assumed they didn't want to be there. I thought oh, I guess they're paying them. But they they look like captives to me. Like they were just overperforming the big faces and oh, God, no, I'm gonna wonder about that all day. All right, I don't want to talk about that. I could sing the song. It's ridiculous.

Roisin 26:37
Oh, yeah, that stuff sticks with you forever.

Scott Benner 26:39
Yeah, I'm there. I'm not singing the song in case you wonder. But I so in your note to me, you you wrote a lot.

Roisin 26:46
Yeah, I was like a mess when I wrote that. I think

Scott Benner 26:51
I always love when people are like, I don't know, what I wrote was in a daze. You know, it's, um, you know, some people will come on and joke like, well, I, you know, I'm recording now, six months after I signed up. And yeah, and I'm always like, honestly, for some of you newer diagnosed people, I think that's too soon. Like, I've put people off longer at times, because of their state of mind. And I've been, you know, once you've been through this a little more raunchy, come back. But describe that, like, when you reached out, why did you reach out and what felt like the imperative,

Roisin 27:22
I think I was just like, I was grieving, like, a lot. You know, like, sort of the loss of the life that you think you're gonna have for your kid. And I didn't know about anything, you know, like, like most people like type one diabetes, and you had something to do with injections, and insulin and sugar. And I don't know, I thought people with diabetes just sort of gave their selves four shots a day, every six hours and went on with their life. Like, I had no idea. And when you start to learn that, oh, no, it's so so, so much more than that. It's just very, I think I was overwhelmed. I was super overwhelmed. Yeah, I'm somebody who like, really likes to, if I do something, I want to do it. Well, otherwise, I'm not going to do it. And I don't really have any choice in this matter. I have to do it. So I have to do it. Well, you know what I mean? And I think yeah, I was just really overwhelmed. Probably.

Scott Benner 28:12
You wanted to share it with someone or you wanted to get answers or you had,

Roisin 28:18
what do you think? Maybe just shouting at the universe? I don't know. Oh, I've tried to get Yeah, I don't know, get help get get comfort, get solidarity. And then I think also, I'd been listening to you a little bit and just sort of being like, how do I get to the point where you are. And like, I realize, even you know, I'm one year in now. And you're I don't know how many years you are with Arden, like 16 or 17 or something. It's a, it's apples to oranges. You can't really compare it. But I think at that time, it was just like, Okay, I need to get to where Scott is, and I need to get there by next week. So how do I do that?

Scott Benner 28:54
Well, I can help you speed up a little bit. But I don't think I can give you the whole 60. Although I guess the podcast is getting to be quite a compendium maybe one day. Yeah, we'll figure out how to do it. But yeah, I mean, I mean, Arden was to she's 18 now. So 16 years, I get I know the feeling of of, like wanting all the information at once. But the truth is, is like, you know, you get to that the same way. I mean, what's the saying about how do you get to Carnegie Hall? Practice? Exactly. So I think it's a very similar situation. People don't like to think of it that way. Which is why I usually talk about like, you know, you have to have these experiences over and over again and really take something from them and, you know, so you can move on to the next one with some like firm understanding. And it's hard to hear, like, yeah, in the day, you know what I mean? Like when the day's moves so slowly. And then next day, you don't feel like you've made any progress over the day before.

Roisin 29:53
Yeah, exactly. Exactly. But I like I've been having a lot of feelings about that the last week or so because It was David's one year diagnosis date this past Sunday, just a couple of days ago. And so like, a year out now, I'm kind of able to like, like, what was I doing last January last February, like, wow, like we have come so far. You know, we're still not perfect. It's progress, not perfection, learning new things all the time, of course, but like, I wish I could have gone back to me a year ago. And then like, a year from now, you're gonna have such a better handle on this. Like, you won't, you won't be panicking every day. I always

Scott Benner 30:32
like struggle with how to like, get that across to somebody. Like Like, yeah, one day, he. So how do you feel about the thing that I say that diabetes doesn't get easier, but you get so much better at it that some days it kind of feels easy? Yeah. 100%? Yeah, yeah, that's the vibe, like so you're doing this difficult thing. But you're so skilled at some point that, that feelings gone like so have you lost that horrible feeling in your gut,

Roisin 30:57
you know, there's still moments, the biggest thing I struggle with with him right now is like, he's an eight year old boy who has zero predictability in his activity levels. So like, he can go from lying on the couch, to sprinting around the house and do the same thing four times in an hour. And we're on MDI. So like, there's no messing around with the Basal rates or anything like that. So like, it's one thing when he's in the house with me, I can be like, David, like, stop zooming around the house and have a have a little juice. But then when I know he's doing that at recess at school, and I'm watching the Dexcom, and I'm like, Oh, I guess he's sprinting around the playground. You know? Like, those are the moments that are hard for sure.

Scott Benner 31:40
I, you know, I just You didn't say you had a horrible feeling in your stomach. I just assumed you did. So yeah. It's a, it's really something else. Hey, quick sidenote, the two actors from out of the box I've now looked into. Yes. And they did nothing ever after the show. Which

Roisin 32:00
maybe they did hate it.

Scott Benner 32:02
And it ran for six years. They did like 70 Some episodes of this children's show. I found the woman Vivian on Instagram. And I'm not calling her out. It's just so sad. She doesn't even have 5000 followers on Instagram. And she's doing like, there's like, you remember what episode this happened? And I'm like, Oh, you're not really talking to anybody. But okay. The other guy, Tony, if anyone listened. Now, I just feel at this point. Like I owe it to people to go over this. Tony apparently has done nothing professional either. So, you know,

Roisin 32:35
I just I just googled it and the image generates some kind of memory in me. Does it feel like I've seen it before? Yeah, it's what was it? 998 to 2004. So yeah, okay. The feeling one in 82. Well, yeah,

Scott Benner 32:49
the feeling it brings up inside of me. Machine is. I don't know if you ever heard this phrase, dude, chill. Because that's how I used to feel. When I saw it. I was like, I can't believe we're doing this. I feel douchey. Yeah. So just real quick, and then we'll get back to your story. The phrase, Deus chill doesn't hit you, right? You're not old enough? No, isn't that amazing? It's an urban, it means an exclamation, calling attention to an embarrassment of someone who has brought ill consequence on themselves. That's how I felt for those people I watched.

Roisin 33:26
They call it like, cringe now. cringe. Yeah. Are you? I'm 4010 years

Scott Benner 33:34
younger than me. And that, I find that incredibly interesting. Okay, so you have I guess we're gonna get to this part, right? You're in Canada. So you get type one diabetes? Do they give you insulin from 1980? Or do they give you insulin?

Roisin 33:49
Absolutely. Absolutely. At the ER, and our diagnosis was like our his diagnosis was, we were in the ER for a total of four hours. We did not stay overnight. We didn't have any big intense it was he walked in, he walked out. And with a bag of supplies where it was like here go keep your child alive. Or like Okay, I'll try. And we got mph and humor log to start and we were told how many carbs to eat per meal and we had a sliding scale and a little we had this little card it was like if if his blood sugar's above this add this much if it's below this add the takeaway this month. Sure. Whatever and, and I hated it. I absolutely hated it. I found it pretty useless.

Scott Benner 34:37
How long did you do it before you push back?

Roisin 34:41
A few weeks. I started I started listening to the podcasts really early. Like literally, there was a teacher at my kids school who steps son is type one and somebody I know whose husband was type one. And within the first couple of weeks, they had both reached out to me and said You gotta listen to the juicebox Okay, and they started Listening to a few things, and hearing about carb ratios and stuff. I was like, well, well, yeah, like, that makes sense. Can I have one of those please? So we were we were doing everything virtually because of COVID. Also, so I'm emailing the team being like, Can you teach us a carb ratio, please? They're like, well, I don't know. It's a pretty complex thing. And I'm like, no, like, my husband and I are pretty smart. We know what a ratio is. I know how to carb count. I had fried way prior to all this, probably like 2019 2021 21. I put myself on a keto diet. And I was like, strict strict about it. So like, I knew how to count carbs. That wasn't, I already knew how many grams of carbs were in an apple or a handful of blueberries or whatever else. Like, I just knew that stuff. I don't need this sliding scale. This is useless to me. But we got we got the carb ratio a few weeks in and that definitely help.

Scott Benner 35:55
Can I ask that they really said it was complicated?

Roisin 35:58
Yeah, yeah. I think that's like, I don't know, I think that's one of my themes. I shouldn't put words in their mouth. I don't, I can't remember if they actually use the word complicated or not. But my husband and I have felt from the get go that, like, they're always sort of holding back what they want to give you and teach you, because they don't know if you have the capacity for it. And I kind of get it because they're dealing with people from all areas of life. But I wish there was a way for them to look at certain people and be like, Oh, we can probably speed this up for you guys. Because we were ready for that.

Scott Benner 36:33
Yeah. I mean, I know I've talked about this. But I don't I don't I don't know if I sound. I don't know, like I might do I sound erudite when I say this, but I mean, is it really that hard to count carbs? Like it's on the package?

Roisin 36:48
I mean, I guess it's just like one more thing on top of everything else. Maybe they're just trying not to overwhelm you. But

Scott Benner 36:54
how early induced? Was it? When you were asking? And they were like,

Roisin 36:59
maybe two or three weeks? I can't remember. We like we have to push them to get a carb ratio.

Scott Benner 37:06
I have an episode, where you could make your

Roisin 37:08
own. Yeah, I hadn't gotten there.

Scott Benner 37:11
It just went out a couple weeks ago. I apologize for Shane for not making the podcast fast enough for you. I really did let you down. I apologize. Oh, that's interesting. So you got it from them. And you had to you basically had to vouch for Dave to make you take a 10 like a 10 question IQ quiz just real quick, or did they just give it and let you do it?

Roisin 37:34
No, they Well, it was we're doing this on Zoom call. And so they're sort of they start explaining it to us. And I was like, Yeah, I get it. 30 grams of carbs, one 250. And he gets two units. I got it. And they're like, Oh, okay. You know, like we demonstrated pretty quickly that like, we could do this. So I think once they sort of realized that they were happy enough to go through it with us, but I don't know. It's just I felt like they were like gatekeeping a lot at the beginning. Yeah.

Scott Benner 38:00
Did you hear anyone yell over their shoulder? Oh, oh, we got a smart one here or something like that? No. I'm just teasing. I'm sure people in Canada don't talk like that. So. Okay, so you got to that. And that made it easier for you? I would imagine. Yeah, a little bit. Yeah. Was he not? honeymooning at all looking back?

Roisin 38:24
Um, I don't think he ever had what I see some people call their honeymoon like for for him his honeymoon was more in my opinion, like cyclical. Like we would just he always he needed insulin for every card from the get go. Like that was just the way it was. But then every so often, and it was more frequent at first and you know, less frequent as we've gone through the year. He has these days where it's like, Oh, your pancreas is working today. And we have a little joke. We'll just be like, Oh, Mr. Pancreas turned on today. I guess. I guess we'll just be careful today. And maybe we'll go for ice cream later, you know? Yeah, exactly, exactly. We'll just watch the CGM and see what happens. And at first, it would be like, you know, every couple of weeks, he might have two to four days like that. And then, you know, then it was every four weeks, then every six weeks. And now the last time I can remember this happening was the beginning of December. He had, it was maybe not even 24 hours, but just where we just could not keep his levels up and he wasn't sick. And he wasn't, you know, he wasn't running a marathon. He wasn't doing anything spectacularly different. It was just like, every time he'd eat blood sugar would go up and hit maybe like not I have a conversion table here. His blood sugar might hit like a 140. Yeah. And then without insulin, come right back down on his own. And he'd start going low and we'd have to give him more.

Scott Benner 39:49
And do you find that a lot of celiac friendly foods are higher in carbs?

Roisin 39:54
Well see, that's the interesting thing. I see people talk about that all the time, but he had his diet, his celiac diagnosis. Just two years before type one diabetes, so I have no experience bolusing for wheat and gluten full foods. So I don't know what the difference is.

Scott Benner 40:09
Do you have any trouble? bolusing for them? No,

Roisin 40:11
I don't think so. Like I see I see people all the time say it's harder, but I don't know anything different. Maybe it is harder. I don't know how he would his blood sugar would react with wheat. So I can't really say if it's harder or the same or easier or whatever. And I don't find it an issue like I don't think the gluten free is an issue.

Scott Benner 40:34
Good. That's great if you do not use a lot of prepackaged gluten free foods.

Roisin 40:38
I wouldn't say we don't use a lot. We do like eat chips and we have a gluten free pizza we buy from Costco he likes and granola bars and gluten free Oreos like he has all those things but all like we're a moderation family and we were like that before type one diabetes came into our life. So you know, he might get one or two Oreos, not a whole sleep. Right?

Scott Benner 41:01
I'm embarrassed but that Costco pizza. It's in the green and white box. Yeah, it is really good. Yeah.

Roisin 41:06
It's really good. Everyone. I've served it to likes it.

Scott Benner 41:09
It's it's still frozen pizza, but it's somehow I don't know. It's enjoyable. Yeah, it might make it in my mind not as pizza, but for whatever it is. If you gave it its own food category. I like

Roisin 41:22
to call it a flatbread or something. Yeah,

Scott Benner 41:23
that's good. I am a little embarrassed. You said the Costco pizza is like I know that pizza.

Roisin 41:30
Every everybody likes it. Everybody likes this gluten free pizza. Yeah,

Scott Benner 41:33
you're so nice. I felt so silly. Saying it for some reason. Oh my god. Okay, so and he's MDI still, is that right? Yes, yeah.

Roisin 41:43
Which is like another bone, I have to pick with the medical system. Because we want a pump. We've wanted a pump since like two months in. But the way it works here is the government will help will cover the pump for us. But you have to be MDI for a year. So that's great. But you know, his diagnosis date has passed, and he's still MDI and he's on a pump start waitlist. And we only got put on the pump start waitlist after we passed a little test in October, November. I mean, we could have passed that test last spring. So why didn't they give us the test last spring? And then we could be on a pump by now. And

Scott Benner 42:23
did you ask did you ask to do it earlier? And they told you no. Or just you just went with it? Oh,

Roisin 42:28
we we've been saying since you know, after the initial diagnosis, shock, you know, maybe the first couple months, we've been saying we want a pump. We want a pump as soon as possible. Please get off the pump. We want a pump. What do we have to do to get a pump?

Scott Benner 42:43
They said wait a year, and then on the magical year date? They were like, Okay, now get in the line, basically. Yeah, yeah, exactly. But first, smarty pants, you have to pass this test, by the way,

Roisin 42:54
and it was it was like, What is a carbohydrate? Why do you have to cover carbohydrates with insulin? How many slices of bread that your child eats? Yeah, it was just like, if I feel like if I didn't know that stuff, I would have killed them by now.

Scott Benner 43:11
Everyone. Why society doesn't lunge forward constantly. You know, you're always like, Why did things take so long? Yes, exactly. Here's one of your answers.

Roisin 43:21
You said something. And it was an early episode, because like I sort of started at the beginning about it was like speed limits on roads. And it was like, yeah, like most of us could could drive a lot faster and be fine. But because there's some people who can't we got to, we got to slow it down for everyone. We all do this. That's kind of how I felt.

Scott Benner 43:41
Yeah, I mean, I guess I'm laughing because maybe someone couldn't pass the test and our carbohydrates and everything, but I guess I'm laughing more because it's the expectation, like, why do we set our expectations? So, you know, like, like, like, imagine somewhere, somebody got down, they sat in a room and like, we have to come up with a test to make sure that it's okay for people to go from MDI to pumping now, let's Yeah, let go the idea that that's probably not necessary, but okay. Somebody's decided they have to make a test. And then that ends up being the test. Yeah, yeah. You're sitting there looking at it thinking this is an incredible waste of time and effort.

Roisin 44:19
Yes, yes. I 100% did.

Scott Benner 44:23
Oh, no. Put me in charge. I'll fix.

Roisin 44:28
Fix fix everything.

Scott Benner 44:29
My first day is king, I will take away the test to get the why will at least make it valuable so that when you answer the question, I can tell if you'd be able to use a pump or not.

Roisin 44:38
Sure. Yeah, talk about like Basal rates or something. It'd be like, do they do they understand this concept, but no,

Scott Benner 44:46
a whole diabetes and MDI, how would you not understand what a car does and how you've been doing it already?

Roisin 44:54
Exactly.

Scott Benner 44:56
Wow. You know, Can I say something please? Office, why not? Right? Go for it. Yeah, there are days when I wonder why I'm successful. And then there are days when I think I'm not really beating out many people. Yeah. I mean, like, yeah, I feel bad. Like I sent my son off into the world. And he just like, Do you have any like, words of wisdom here? And I said, Yeah, you've probably already got like, 80% of the people be just, you know, yeah, go. Like, you'll get no room with 10 people. And you'll, you'll realize, like, some people don't care. Some people don't try. Some people don't I don't even think it's because they don't have it in them. Like sometimes, like everybody's symptoms, people are just content. Like, that's how that list makes me feel like that, that tests like somebody sat down with diabetes, carbs. Yeah, you know, ask those questions. And I did the thing. I made the test like I was supposed to. And now, God knows how many years later, and how many people they've tortured with that stupid test to get somebody?

Roisin 45:59
Oh, yeah, it felt really old fashioned. Really old fashioned. Yeah,

Scott Benner 46:02
don't Yeah, everyone keep not trying. I enjoy doing well. I mean, you don't I mean, like,

Roisin 46:08
like, it takes a little easier. Yeah. Listen,

Scott Benner 46:11
if four of you tried harder, I might be done. You don't? I mean, like, I've Eltek I'm so special. I'm just working hard. Like, just Yeah, I don't know. It's just, it's frustrating. You're like, why are we talking about this, but I'm very frustrated.

Roisin 46:27
This is how I fell for a whole year.

Scott Benner 46:29
I think it's because my mom's in the hospital right now. And you know, I appreciate that. But as you're going through and working through the problems, you recognize that if you don't help, they're going to follow some bullet list. And she'll either be okay, or she won't. And they're not very hard, you know?

Roisin 46:49
Yeah, you have to advocate you have to, like if having having a child with medical conditions has made me learn anything, it's, you have to advocate. The other thing is, I was gonna bring this up, too. I want to know if you've ever heard of this. David actually had a couple major seizures before he was diagnosed with anything autoimmune. And like it, he was at four years old, and at five years old, and then the celiac came at seven. Obviously, he had celiac before them, we just didn't know. But I can't you know, there's something in my brain. I can't help but wonder if those seizures were related to upcoming autoimmune problems? Because the doctors could never find a reason for them

Scott Benner 47:31
to be experiencing a memory loss after them. No, no, I

Roisin 47:35
wouldn't say so. Like he couldn't remember the actual period of the seizure. But you remember just before and just after?

Scott Benner 47:41
Interesting. I don't know. I mean, I'm being perfectly honest with you. I'm not sure.

Roisin 47:46
Yeah, I just wasn't sure if that's something you'd heard people say before? Or

Scott Benner 47:50
did it like a blood sugar low? Or was it something

Roisin 47:55
I don't like? I assume they checked his blood sugar levels. But this was way before diabetes was part of our life. So like, both times, we took them to the ER, obviously. And they ran whatever tests they run, and he had MRI and EGS. And all you know, all kinds of things and no discernible cause ever found. But like, I don't know, I don't have that. I don't know any other kids who had grand mal seizures at four or five and two autoimmune diseases at sub five and seven.

Scott Benner 48:25
Yeah, I heard about one little girl who couldn't walk once. But that's that's the only part of the story. Yeah,

Roisin 48:29
that's a different story. And it was pretty funny.

Scott Benner 48:31
I wish I would say, I love that your family just turned that into like, like a fun tale about the time the baby couldn't walk.

Roisin 48:40
I don't think it was fun at the time. No, like, no. My parents credit. I think they were very upset at the time. But you know, 20 years later, they're able to laugh about it.

Scott Benner 48:49
Are your parents, your first your first generation so your parents weren't born in? They were both born in Ireland. Yeah. So this happened to you in Ireland? Yes. They probably just picked you up. And they were like, this one's broken. I know. It's so funny. You're telling a story from like the 70s and 80s. And I'm acting like it's 1800.

Roisin 49:12
Yes. No, no, they had hospitals and

Scott Benner 49:17
I'm sorry. Give me I made myself laugh. And whatever's left from my COVID from nine months ago is still in there somewhere. Yeah. I'm gonna I'm gonna circle back to something for a second because I'm sure I'm still irritated. And if I don't let it go, we won't be able to move forward. All right. What does it mean to advocate for yourself? I Googled this. Self Advocacy means you are able to tell people about your thoughts and feelings. You were able to ask for what you need and one, you know your rights and you speak up for your rights. You are able to make choices and decisions that affect your life and take responsibility for the choices you make. All I hear when I read That is the people you're going to intersect may very well not do the things they're supposed to do. So you're gonna have to make them. Am I wrong? Or is that?

Roisin 50:09
No, I think you're right. I but I do think a lot of it comes down to at least here like the hospital staff being overworked, like, the backlogs are just really intense. Everybody has too many patients and not enough time and all of that kind of stuff. So and like, funding just gets cut year by year. It's like, Oh, let's see where are we can chisel off a little bit more, you know. And you're constantly asked to do more with less. So if you're, it's the squeaky wheel gets the grease, if you're not the one calling and emailing and asking the questions and pushing the deadlines and blah, blah, blah, then you're the one who just sort of sits at the bottom of the waitlist for things. See,

Scott Benner 50:54
I hear you. And I agree. And yeah, what I think is, if I took my car to have new tires put on it, and there was a really long line, and they gave me the car back without all the lug nuts on it. What I go, Oh my God, they're very overworked. Like,

Roisin 51:10
no, we don't like we don't pay for healthcare here. Right? Like, that's not coming out of my pocket, huh? Yeah, like, whereas if I go to a mechanic, I'm handing them $1,000 somebody's

Scott Benner 51:22
paying them though, right?

Roisin 51:24
Oh, yeah, I know. And taxes are high and all of that. And we do, you know, you try to get your voice voice heard through your political decisions and that kind of thing. But yeah, you're not signing the paycheck.

Scott Benner 51:37
I think I'm more upset with people and their, their lack of desire in their chosen professions. Sometimes, and I don't just mean medical, like, I don't know, I'm all over the place today. But like, I'm picturing some guy tending his herd of cattle in South America with a stick. And I'm thinking like, try harder. You don't I mean, like, like, we've modernized everything, to the point where we're the things we complain about are, are sometimes interesting. And, and people I know, I know, everybody's not doing what they want. But I don't know, like, I'll put it on myself for a second, I had a lot of jobs I didn't want. And I got paid crap for them. Like, honestly, like, I made $4.50 an hour to work in a sheetmetal shop. If anybody thinks like I, I sprung out of my car and bounced to the door every morning for that job. You know, it wasn't a lot of fun. I wasn't compensated enough to even live barely, it was absolutely no fun. I got injured all the time. But we still went in there and worked our asses off every day. And we were under staffed and underpaid. And it was an unsafe work environment. And I never would have thought to say any of those things, anybody. I just went, I did that job. And in my mind, I thought, I'm going to do this, but I don't want to do this forever. So I'm gonna find a way to do something else. Right, you know, and I don't, I don't know, no one ever gave me a job or offered me a job or helped me I just, I kept clawing my way up a rickety ladder. And yeah, and then I hear like, I don't know, I have to ask what you're saying. I'm so pissed. I don't know why. How did you make the upset? Alright, I'm gonna let it go. Because it's unfair to you. But everybody work harder. There are just care a little bit once in a while. You don't mean like, somebody comes in and says something to you. Like, I know you're busy, but try to see them for their problem. They're there for help. And you're and you're and you're representing yourself as someone who's going to help them. So help them or don't quit, leave, you know, like, take,

Roisin 53:48
I have to say like, in their defense, everyone we've dealt with has been really nice. Like, you know, I haven't actually encountered anyone who's like a straight up jerk or has given me bad info unnecessarily or whatever. It's just, yeah, just the gatekeeping and the slowdowns. And that's, that's the part that drives me nuts.

Scott Benner 54:09
I know, you didn't say any of the things I said, by the way. I'm not putting a record. For the record. I'm not putting any of that on you. You just got me upset. Because Because I'm watching people like, I don't know, I feel like at this point, I'm talking to people who are representing themselves in my mother's situation, for example, as learned people, and the response you get back from them is just borderline that. I don't know. It might be this. Okay. Do you need me to guess if it's like, like, like,

Roisin 54:42
why don't you get on Google for you?

Scott Benner 54:44
Why don't you tell me what you think it might be? Wow. Wow. No answer. No ideas. You want to try something? Okay. All right. Well, should we just go hit her with a shovel? Like like I need like, what is it like Like, seriously, like, are you gonna help? Or are we all just gonna make noises until you can move on to somebody else make or somebody else's problem? And anyway, I, by the way, I generally speaking have a lot more hope for people than I sound like I do right now. But I'm, I'm past

Roisin 55:17
alright, you must I don't think you'd have this podcast if you didn't Yeah, but somebody's

Scott Benner 55:20
gotta say it once in a while, right? Yeah, just do something. I don't know. All right. Let's see I'm looking through your list looking for something that won't make me upset. What else did you want to talk about? I'm gonna ask you, I'm gonna stop. I'm gonna stop involving myself.

Roisin 55:40
I think the only other thing like that I really found challenging and that so much of the support groups and stuff, including your your own your Facebook group, it's it's American, which makes sense. You guys have a lot of people. But then here in Canada, at least in Ontario, we don't have school nurses. Yeah. So the whole school piece of the puzzle for young diabetics is just like, that's a totally different story. Like I see people like, I'm so mad at my nurse she gave my son is injection five minutes too late, and his blood sugar showed up and like, you have someone to give your kid a shot. That's amazing. Like, wish I had that. You know, he's he's self injecting at school this year. At diagnosis, we were offered mph, because they don't have people to give shots at schools. So that's why all the kids here be being given the 1970s insulin, because there's no one to go give them a shot for lunch.

Scott Benner 56:41
Yeah, I had a lot of conversations before I figured that out. Like, I can't be like, why are they doing this in Canada, and then it hit me they want them to get through the day without needing help. Exactly.

Roisin 56:53
But we hate I hated mph, he was on it for a few months until I like learned and demanded something else. And he would just have to be his blood sugar levels would have to be so high not to crash. Once the peak came in. Like you'd have to be up at like, look at my chart somewhere around like a 220 or something. Because if not, the MPH would start peaking. And he'd be he'd be down at a 50. Yeah, in no time flat. You know what I mean? So unfortunately, there's a lot of little kids in Ontario. I can't speak to other provinces, who I mean, maybe the mph, everybody's different. Maybe it works better for some people, but who are just riding at these high levels all day long, just so that they don't crash when the MPH sets. Yeah, and that. Yeah, really pissed me off.

Scott Benner 57:45
I bet would have made me upset as well. Are you using a CGM? I'm sorry, I forgot. Yeah, he's got a Dexcom Dexcom. So you're seeing it coming. And then how does he handle it? Does he contact you?

Roisin 57:57
Well, we have sort of a set. You know, he has a set mealtimes. It's kind of an annoying schedule they have in the school board here. They call it a balanced day. They don't have they don't have a lunch per se they have to equal meals throughout the day. So he has he goes to school for 830 in the morning. He has gym for 40 minutes. Then he has class for a bit then he gets a shot at 1015 eats at 1030 has 25 minutes of recess after that. Then more class than a shot at 1pm eats at 115 recess again after that and then more class and then he's done at three. So it's just like, physical activity and insulin and carbs all day long.

Scott Benner 58:43
Yeah. You know what I mean? How well you know his schedule. I don't miss that. I don't miss that.

Roisin 58:48
Yeah, yeah, you have to right

Scott Benner 58:51
yeah, no, I just I can remember walking around being like well at one o'clock this is gonna happen. She's doing this. Yeah, exactly. Now I really have to just pay attention for the next 45 minutes because this is the end of gym class. Exactly. Yeah. God Yeah, I don't miss that.

Roisin 59:05
Yeah, no, it's uh it's well that's it the mental toll of all that like the I people because I like I said I'm a stay at home parent people are like, what do you do all day? Like I'm I'm a pancreas. That's what I do all day. Like

Scott Benner 59:19
I did it in person. And now I know how to do it virtually. So yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's a It's taxing for sure. You he has a

Roisin 59:31
phone and we text I got that idea from you. Like, you know, we just text all day long. If I see him going a little too low. He has a phone and two blood glucose tabs and a belt around his waist. And you know if I think he's going too low, I'll call him to have one of those. He obviously has snacks and stuff in the classroom too. But just so he has something on his person that he can just quickly take something and keep focusing on school.

Scott Benner 59:55
Yeah. Well, that's, I mean, that that's what worked for us. You know, constant, that constant is the wrong word like immediate access to contact is, is really what I mean, we weren't constantly we're barely connected to each other throughout the day. But when you needed to be when you need to be, there was no pause. Or and you didn't have to exactly have to wait for another person. And that was exactly yeah, a big deal.

Roisin 1:00:20
Yes, because last year, we did it. I mean, then he was young. He was in Grade Two, when he was diagnosed last year, we did it more through the school office, and like going to call the school office every time your kid needs a Dex tab, we call them Dex tabs, dextrose tabs. That's kind of a pain for everyone. And so it's a lot better this year.

Scott Benner 1:00:40
I'm glad that you cleared up that their decks, dexterous tabs, because like, I'd be like, these people just putting decks in front of everything because they love the Dexcom so much. This is our decks.

Roisin 1:00:52
Yeah, there's a brand brand of the tablets here called decks for and so that's, that's what we use.

Scott Benner 1:00:58
I see. Does he hate them like them? No, he loves them, though.

Roisin 1:01:03
He will ask for them. Sometimes he does it soccer last night and he needed a couple. I thought it's like, Can I have one more? It's like, no. This is because you need it. It's not just for trees.

Scott Benner 1:01:15
So weird little kids. Stop it.

Roisin 1:01:20
Oh, we got some hot chocolate flavored ones recently. He loves those. Yeah, there's all kinds of great flavor.

Scott Benner 1:01:28
I'm gonna look this up. Is that a Canadian thing? Or is that everywhere? Yeah, it's called

Roisin 1:01:31
Dex four. And then it was hot chocolate flavor. It might have even been chocolate and marshmallow. I can't remember.

Scott Benner 1:01:37
chocolate marshmallow tablets. There you go. See? This is what I'm talking about. Somebody at this company is working hard. Right?

Roisin 1:01:43
Yeah. There you go. You're sick of the fruit punch flavor. They need something else. I

Scott Benner 1:01:49
got up one day and there was like, I bet yeah, I can make these things tastes like chocolate marshmallows. Let's try harder boys or girls, by the way, everyone. Everyone works there. But yeah, like, Ah, all right. See? See how much happier that made me just thank you

Roisin 1:02:03
for saying. I'm so glad I was able to say something that made you happy.

Scott Benner 1:02:08
You said that. I'm like, they're so much trying. That's a good thing. Yeah. Oh, my gosh, yeah. I I was like earlier this close to a rabbit hole about you know, 100 years ago, what people had to do to stay alive. I'm like, What am I?

God, Oh, my God. Okay. So first of all, I appreciate you doing this. And, and, and having this conversation talking about the things you're talking about? I do have a question going back to the celiac? Sure. I felt like I got away from it too quickly. You may have heard last year, someone get very upset with me. When I was talking to a gentleman whose child had recently been diagnosed with celiac, or already had type one, and the father was really in the middle of a mourning for what the kid couldn't eat anymore. And he got fixated on like, what if my, my child goes to a birthday party, and they can't have like a cupcake? And I said, it's like, Is this a real problem? Like, is your kid always at birthday parties? Like you don't even like it? And key times a year, right? And the child, by the way, you know, has celiac, but doesn't have any physical signs of it. And I, during this conversation said, Well, I don't know maybe you could just let the kid have a cupcake until you figure the whole thing out. And I was I was approached by a couple of people who said that, you know, celiac is much more can be much more serious than that. Even if you don't have symptoms, it could lead to other very serious problems. And yeah, I wonder how much that's in your head that even if you owe 100%?

Roisin 1:03:54
Yeah. Like all the time, like I said, my mom's celiac too. And she has been for the last 20 years. So like, it's not new for me. But yeah, we're very careful about cross contamination and stuff. I don't. He doesn't ever get like a pass from celiac. I mean, the difference with David is he gets very sick if he eats it. So he doesn't want to, you know, see if he went and had a slice of regular pizza, you'd be sick all night. So just that that doesn't appeal to him.

Scott Benner 1:04:24
sick, sick. pain, stomach, bathroom.

Roisin 1:04:28
Pain, pain and pain and bowel movements. Yeah, not nausea. I know. Some people get like a nausea component. He hasn't gotten that. He says it feels like somebody has been punching them in the gut.

Scott Benner 1:04:39
Do they? Do they warn you that not adhering to the diet could lead to other issues? Oh, absolutely.

Roisin 1:04:46
Yeah, there's various conditions and cancers and all kinds of scary things. I actually met a woman this past summer who she was only diagnosed celiac recently, and she was poor. I lay around my age, maybe a little younger, like 3738. And she had struggled to conceive for years and worked with fertility doctors and all kinds of things. And then she finally had a doctor checker for celiac disease, and she was positive and switched to a gluten free diet. And a year later, she was able to get pregnant naturally. Like, you know, I know that's an anecdote, but she firmly believed and this doctor firmly believed that it really affected her fertility.

Scott Benner 1:05:27
Yeah. Just all that inflammation. Yeah, yeah, I know, it's a word that just gets thrown around all over the place. But, I mean, it really does seem like it's the core of what's wrong with a lot of people that I speak to, in one way or another, and that you look back all those like, such a long time ago, like steroids were were invented. And, you know, like, you get a steroid pack when you're, you know, I don't know, you're ill you have an illness or something like that. They were invented so long ago, I read this thing I wish I knew were about prednisone. But back when it was invented, they thought they had, they thought they had just cured everything that was wrong with people. Oh, wow. Yeah. And it wasn't until obviously, they found out that, you know, taking it for extended periods of time causes different problems. But that idea is back in the I think in the 30s right there. I mean, the person won a Nobel Prize for it. Excuse me, cortisone was identified in the 30s. Prednisone was developed in the 50s. Okay. And, yeah, they talked about back then they, they thought they, they they cured what ill people were so excited about it. And you know, it's all about inflammation. And it's just, I don't know, it's, it sucks causes everything. Yeah, it sucks it listen, it made your little baby legs not work for a while. And there we go. And all this other stuff your son stomach to hurt if What if he has a you know, if we

Roisin 1:07:03
use like a toaster, like that has had wheat bread in it, and we put a piece of gluten free bread in it. He will feel sick. He'll he'll hurt afterwards.

Scott Benner 1:07:11
That's amazing. And it's happened by mistake. So it's not, you know, yeah,

Roisin 1:07:15
it has, you know, like that the hardest part of celiac is eating out or eating other people's homes at home. It like, honestly, barely bothers me. Because I know what I'm doing. But you know, even if you go to a very well meaning family member's home, and they've made a gluten free dinner for you. Maybe they don't know that somebody scooped some of the butter out with a knife that had been used to spread on a piece of gluten bread. Sure. And they've gone and put that in the mashed potatoes now. And now you eat the mashed potatoes and you feel sick.

Scott Benner 1:07:48
God, that's crazy. I mean, it's not crazy. Yeah. But it is, you know? Wow.

Roisin 1:07:53
Yeah. So that that's the heart. To me. That's the hardest part of celiac. And I see some people especially I find people who get the celiac diagnosis after diabetes, like when they've sort of already got diabetes managed. And then they get the celiac disease diagnosis. They a lot of people say if they could cure one, they'd pick celiac over diabetes.

Scott Benner 1:08:13
Fascinating how often people don't pick diabetes when they have multiple issues, actually,

Roisin 1:08:18
yeah, I would pick diabetes in a heartbeat. Yeah, I just I always say celiacs never kept me up at night.

Scott Benner 1:08:25
Right. I can sleep as long as we stay gluten free. I was editing an episode I just made with someone who has MS. And connective tissue disorder and all these other things. And I asked like, you know which one and but boy, it didn't take long. She's like the connective tissue disorder. I'd like to get rid of that. Yeah. Interesting. Anyway, it's just I love those different perspectives like people. Yeah, yeah. People who have real perspective about things who are able to, I don't know, you even have it like you're, you're measured. Were you measured like this before all this started happening? Do you know what I mean? You're no, you're you're an even thinker. Speaker. You haven't gotten too high or too low while we're talking? You're probably sure Yeah, yeah, your paste. Like you're not you haven't gotten access. I just edited one. The other day that I mean, the introduction for it might be Hi, this is me and this other person, you won't hear me again till the end. I tried a couple of times, and I couldn't stop her. Like I really felt like I was running backwards, holding onto a bull's head. And the person was making sense and, like, coherent and thoughtful, but just like shot out of a cannon. And right, yeah, you're just like you're talking about upsetting things. And you're at this level. I got upset and you stayed at this. Like it's really I didn't know if you

Roisin 1:09:53
got brought to this. Yeah, I guess I'm not a very emotional person. No, but that's the Irish thing, right? No, no, it's Originally, anyway,

Scott Benner 1:10:02
am I am I generalizing? Or is everyone in your family?

Roisin 1:10:05
Right? Yeah, you might be right. Well, I've got, yeah, I don't want to put anyone on the spot. Some people are more emotional than others in my family.

Scott Benner 1:10:15
I joke about my wife all the time. Like, I'm just like, I'm upset about something. And she's like, Oh Jesus, okay. But, you know, you said a minute ago about, you know, the hardest part about celiac. What's the hardest part about type one?

Roisin 1:10:36
I mean, I hate the injections. I absolutely, like a year of MDI, when you're trying to have tight control. Like my poor kid. His little arms are full of bruises. I hate I hate every time I feel a needle pierces skin, you know, I just something inside me breaks every time I feel that. Yeah, I don't know. I guess just the worry. The constant worry that like a high or low not, you know, not so much a high I don't like highs, obviously. But if he's high for a few hours when he's away from me, we'll deal with it. But the he could just have this medical low emergency without me there to take care of it just Yeah. just breaks my heart.

Scott Benner 1:11:13
Yeah, it's frightening.

Roisin 1:11:14
I know. Yeah. Yeah. I know. And he, he just has for him. It's the activity lows. Like if we just kept them inside all day. It's not too bad. But he's really good at sports. And he loves to play sports. And I love that about him. But he just could be running around and look at my list. Again. He could be like at like a 54 and sprinting around the school. And I'm like, dude, I'll call him. I'll be like, David, you need to chill. And he's like, No, I don't want him. You have to right now sit down and put one of your hot chocolate deck stabs in your mouth and chill for a minute, you know?

Scott Benner 1:11:52
Yeah. I mean, anyone that hears you talk can't I don't know how you could not be sad. Like, basically what you said is because of these two issues, if we just stayed in our house and didn't move around very much everything would be fine. Yeah. I don't want you to think we live that way. No, really? I don't I don't hear that you do? No, no, no, not a lot. But

Roisin 1:12:15
no, there is a part of me that wishes I could put them in a bubble. And just take care of him forever. But like, I know that my issue, not his. Yeah. So I have to like put myself outside the bubble. And you know, he does. He does soccer. He does ice skating. We travel we go to Florida every year, we're hopefully going to do a Europe trip this year. We paddleboard all summer long like we don't we don't keep them in a bubble even though probably if I really? It would make my life easier if I could.

Scott Benner 1:12:49
No, no, I hear you. Obviously, you're not going to live that way. Yeah, but somebody ends up doing it. You know? Yeah, that's that. So I'm gonna ends up getting overwhelmed and thinking, if I just limit all of these, these exterior issues, I'll be okay. And then they they end up doing that.

Roisin 1:13:09
So yeah, you can sort of see how like someone with bad anxiety or whatever would go down that path. And it could be really dark. Yeah, for sure.

Scott Benner 1:13:17
Well, all I'm left is to ask you if you can access your, your old way of speaking and the oh gosh, no, you can't though, right? You sound so like, your, your your, your accent is so vanilla. Like I don't even know how to like, Yeah, somewhere like you don't I mean, like, I don't know that you're Canadian?

Roisin 1:13:39
Well, that's what I think Canadian sound like at least, Ontario. Ontario wins. I guess I should say urban Ontario wins. I think the rural ones can have a bit of a Twain or something. But I find the Ontario accent really? pretty flat.

Scott Benner 1:13:54
Yeah, it's great. Listen, I liked it. I'm just saying that I missed the things that usually happen when I talk to people from Canada. You know?

Roisin 1:14:05
Maybe it's because my parents are Irish. I don't know. Maybe like I haven't quite as like, absorbed as much of the Canadian isms. I don't know you

Scott Benner 1:14:13
didn't draw out an A or anything? Yes. You know No. Didn't say yeah, at the end of one sentence not of one sentence is a bit of a letdown machine. I'm not gonna

Roisin 1:14:24
it's not a thing we do. Yeah.

Scott Benner 1:14:25
It's the like, oh, are ya like after it's like Minnesota Wisconsin. Canada like that A at the end of look at you Ontario. Special.

Roisin 1:14:42
All right. Yeah, that's me. Oh, my gosh.

Scott Benner 1:14:44
All right. Is there anything we didn't talk about? We should have?

Roisin 1:14:47
No, I think I think it's good.

Scott Benner 1:14:49
Did I let you down by losing my mind to the middle or were you okay?

Roisin 1:14:53
No, it's okay. I fully expected a Scott ramped at some point.

Scott Benner 1:14:58
I just I really do appreciate Thank you. I feel very seen by that. Count that comment from you so much. All right, well, thank you so much. Oh, hold on one second for me. Okay.

Roisin 1:15:11
Sure. Thanks a lot.

Unknown Speaker 1:15:12
Yeah

Scott Benner 1:15:18
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