Scott Benner 11/17/23 Scott Benner 11/17/23

#1065 Canadian Clown Cars

Nine year old Kristyana has type 1 diabetes.

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Scott Benner 0:00
Hello friends, and welcome to episode 1065 of the Juicebox Podcast.

I want to be transparent when the microphone came live for this episode, I was expecting to speak with the mother of a child with type one diabetes. But what happened was, the mom signed the kid up for the podcast. And there was just a nine year old little girl there. It's not easy to interview kids sometimes. But I think Christiana and I had a really nice time, she's from Canada, and I teased her unmercifully about that. But I don't think she ever heard my sarcasm, which makes this sort of a delightful conversation in a way that you're not expecting. I've actually been really excited for this one to come out. I'm going to tell a story at the very end that you might enjoy. While you're listening, please remember that nothing you hear on the Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice, medical or otherwise, always consult a physician before making any changes to your healthcare plan, or becoming bold with insulin.

This episode of The Juicebox Podcast is sponsored by the private Facebook group for the Juicebox Podcast Juicebox Podcast type one diabetes, 43,000 members, strong type ones type twos, lotta gestational adults, caregivers, anybody you can think of. They're in there having a conversation that you would enjoy or be able to help with. If you're looking for community, head over. If you think I don't need community. You might not be right about that Juicebox Podcast type one diabetes on Facebook. I'm also going to give a shout out to the type two Pro Tip series The Type One Pro Tip series The after dark episodes, the mental wellness episodes, episodes. Let me use English. We're doing a great parenting series right now with Erica, you should check that out. Jenny and I are about to drop a new series called Grand Rounds you're not going to want to miss and I'm working on some other stuff for next year. I'll tell you about it right now. One of them's called bitch session, and the other one is called whistleblower. I'm not telling you anything more about it. You'll have to keep listening to find out. What do you think of that? I'm just trying to get in character to talk with a nine year old ready? Actually, I'm not going to start yet. Don't anyone else tried to trick me to interview on their kid? That wasn't cool. But I did like talking to her. So I don't know why I'm complaining.

Kristyana 2:48
My name is Christiana Olsen brain. I am nine years old. I live in Kamloops, BC.

Scott Benner 2:56
Okay, so while you're talking I'm writing down what you're saying. So first of all, I say your name Christiana or Christiana?

Kristyana 3:05
Whatever.

Scott Benner 3:07
Sweetie, not whatever. Do people say your name wrong all the time?

Kristyana 3:10
No, no, no, let's do Christiana. Christiana.

Scott Benner 3:14
Okay. And your nine. I got that. And do you have type one diabetes? Yes, you do. How old? Were you when that happened?

Kristyana 3:23
Seven or eight. I think I was turning eight. Okay,

Scott Benner 3:27
so maybe a little more than a year ago? Yeah. Gotcha. All right. Now, does anyone else in your family have diabetes?

Kristyana 3:36
My aunt and my grandma. Oh, now?

Scott Benner 3:39
Is that your mom's sister or your dad's sister?

Kristyana 3:42
My mom's sister mom. And grandmother.

Scott Benner 3:45
Oh, a mom. Yeah, I'm sorry. Okay. Do you happen to have any other autoimmune stuff? Like, do you take a pill for your thyroid or No, celiac? stomach hurts? Yeah, nothing like that. Okay. Anybody else in your family have that stuff?

Kristyana 4:04
No, no. Okay.

Scott Benner 4:05
Do you remember getting diabetes? Like do you remember? Like, how it how you figured it out?

Kristyana 4:12
Hey, yes.

Scott Benner 4:13
Can you tell me about it?

Kristyana 4:15
So I was using the washroom a lot at night. So then, the next day my mom called into emergency, not an emergency. What's a cough? Sir? Didn't care. Okay. Millie tests tested and I had diabetes. Where do you generally like to emergency where did you test or didn't care? is in the hospital ICU.

Scott Benner 4:40
So you went to urgent care? They tested you there figured out you had type one sent you to the hospital after that? Yeah,

Kristyana 4:47
sent me to an emergency. Gotcha.

Scott Benner 4:52
Hold on one second here. Christiana. My daughter's texting me. You text your parents? Yeah. I'm gonna tell you why in a second? She just sent me a text that says, I'm gonna read it to you. She's in college. What grade are you in? Grade four, four. Wow. She said, My professor just called me Aidan three times in front of the class. But her name is not her name is not eaten. She said, This is the sixth week. I don't even think I'm going to correct him. And I was telling her that I think she should very politely after class, go up to him and tell him. My name's not eaten. Right? What if I started calling you? What if I started calling you, Patricia? You'd be right.

Kristyana 5:36
No, our teacher is really funny and discards us random names he makes.

Scott Benner 5:42
I think he's pretending to be funny, but he can't remember anybody's name. What do you think? No,

Kristyana 5:46
he can remember everybody's name.

Scott Benner 5:49
We only have 2828 kids in your class. Oh, wow. Christina, do me a favor. Is your are you wearing headphones that have a wire on them? Yes. Okay. Try if you can to keep the microphone from rubbing against your shirt or your hair or anything like that. Okay, while you're talking. Okay. Thank you. Okay, so now we're in the hospital. And we know we have diabetes. But when someone in urgent care says that to you? Do you understand what it means? I know your mom does because of her sister and her mother. But do you understand?

Kristyana 6:22
No, not really.

Scott Benner 6:23
Okay. Do you remember how your mom explained it to you? No, no. Okay. Do you remember anything about being in the hospital and what they talked about? Okay, do you recall if you were scared?

Kristyana 6:40
A little bit, a little bit.

Scott Benner 6:41
But did it feel comforting because your parents were there? Yeah. Okay. So how long were you in the hospital?

Kristyana 6:49
I'm not sure. Right now. Maybe a week or two weeks?

Scott Benner 6:53
Wow. So more than a couple of days. You were there. Yeah. Okay. And they taught you about diabetes taught your parents about it. Did your grandma or your aunt come to visit? Are they not in Canada? Yeah.

Kristyana 7:06
No, they are in Kamloops. But they were living in Vancouver at that time.

Scott Benner 7:12
That's kind of far right. Yeah, yeah. And people in Canada. They don't own cars. They go on sleds with dogs that pull them so it would take forever to get there.

Kristyana 7:21
No, there's cars. Oh, there are cars there.

Scott Benner 7:26
Yeah, okay. You would take cars. Oh, you guys have cars do but don't polar bears, like live in your backyard and stuff like that? No, no. Oh, I missed that cul de sac called that you have pets? Like like penguins give a penguin feel? No. What do you have? A dog? There are dogs in Canada? Yeah, I've never been to Canada. I thought is Canada where Santa Claus lives? Or is that a different place?

Kristyana 7:52
That's a different question.

Scott Benner 7:54
I got confused. Where does Santa Claus live?

Kristyana 7:58
I'm

Scott Benner 8:00
North Europe. Right. And that's not Canada. You're saying? Yeah. Unbelievable. I've been told a lot of things that aren't correct. That's crazy. Do you think I think all those things? I don't know. You don't know. Okay. Well, we'll find out as we're talking. If you have questions for me, you can certainly ask. So you get a little hot you get out of the hospital right? And now you're home and you have diabetes. How does that work? Do you think like I'm gonna do it myself. Do you think I want my parents you

Kristyana 8:36
know, I my mom will come to school. But I was able to do my influential let's say made it out at the hospital.

Scott Benner 8:44
Good for you. So were you using needles or pens? Needles you know pens pens what kind of insulin Do you remember?

Kristyana 8:52
And can I just add asked my dad that

Scott Benner 8:54
way you don't you can if you want the look? Do you know what kind you use now? It's called Christiana listen. I'm gonna say no now. Oh, no. I don't know how to say yes. Yes. Yeah, yes. I know which one it's it's the little yellow one right yellow on the bottom.

Kristyana 9:18
And when I got diagnosed, it was mph. Oh, yeah.

Scott Benner 9:24
Right. Because Canada that's how they usually start kids. And so are you still injecting or do you have a pump now? I have a pump. Oh, cool. Which one? Do you have?

Kristyana 9:35
Omnipod dash.

Scott Benner 9:36
Oh, that's the one my daughter uses. Do you have a CGM? Yes. Which one?

Kristyana 9:46
XCOM G Six.

Scott Benner 9:47
Six. Have you heard about the g7?

Kristyana 9:51
Yes, yeah,

Scott Benner 9:52
you're not gonna isn't improved

Kristyana 9:53
in Canada? Yeah,

Scott Benner 9:54
no, I know. It's well plus they have to deliver them on on dog slides and it takes forever. No they don't. All right. What do you think? I truck? You're probably right. You're probably right. So as soon as Do you think you'll get it when it's approved in Canada? Um, I don't know. Yeah, my daughter just got hers the other day. She's wearing her second one right now. She says it's a lot smaller, and very easy to put on. You don't have to like snap the transmitter into the sensor. It's just all one piece. But she's pretty excited. All right. So Christiana, like tell me a little bit about how you take care of your diabetes every day. Like what do you do? And when do ask your parents for help?

Kristyana 10:39
Yeah, really, in time, just when I'm at home, I usually let them put my insulin into my phone.

Scott Benner 10:44
Okay, because why? Because, yeah, tell me why. When when you're at home, why do you ask them to do it? Just Are you looking for a break? Or?

Kristyana 10:53
Yeah, because that's the day that school two times, right. Oh, okay. I sometimes do it. But they know the carb count for food for

Scott Benner 11:03
the stuff. And um, so do you pack a lunch every day? Or do you buy something at school? I pack lunch. Yeah. Okay.

Kristyana 11:10
So you have to pre order at my school? Yeah.

Scott Benner 11:14
And what do they serve there? What kind of food?

Kristyana 11:18
I'm like, usually because they serve it. It's like chicken nuggets.

Scott Benner 11:27
Like junk, junky food, like nuggets and stuff. No, not

Kristyana 11:31
really. There's been like, making it at the school now.

Scott Benner 11:35
Oh, wow. That's pretty great. Do they? They don't have they don't have the chickens there though. Right? No,

Kristyana 11:44
they just I think they just buy the chicken nuggets. And cook them.

Scott Benner 11:49
Nice. Well, that's excellent. So you bring your lunch. You know how your mom tells you. How many carbs is your dad? Yeah,

Kristyana 11:56
we just tried to sit down on a piece of paper. Nice. Now.

Scott Benner 11:59
Do you? When do you Bolus when you you Bolus in your class as you're going over to lunch? Do you Bolus at lunch? How do you handle that?

Kristyana 12:07
I usually just get my insulin when I'm gonna eat. Okay,

Scott Benner 12:10
and then what happens afterwards? Do you get high low? Don't your blood sugar stays pretty stable. What have

Kristyana 12:17
we usually I eat before like we have snack. We and then we have recess and then we do masks and stuff and then we have to go outside Danny? Usually during our second recess, I usually go low because I'm running. And I haven't ate and the first juicers are usually fine.

Scott Benner 12:39
Yeah. How do you handle it when you get low?

Kristyana 12:43
My mom because she works at the school. Now she's a CPA. She usually either gives me gummies or the person might mercy. Who helps me sometimes she gives me gummies things lemons.

Scott Benner 12:58
I say okay. And then when you get home? Is your blood sugar usually like where you want it to be? Or? Yeah, it is. Oh, that's excellent. What's your favorite class? Um, tea. It's a good choice. What's your what do you guys do in gym? What's your favorite thing? Um,

Kristyana 13:21
we're doing track and field right now. But the other day we had to stand side. So we did floor hockey.

Scott Benner 13:31
Okay, yeah, just stay inside because of the ice storm. No,

Kristyana 13:35
there was no ice storm. It's like 27 degrees right now.

Scott Benner 13:38
I don't know how much that is. I live in America. Oh, hold on. I can figure it out. Christiana, you keep working on not touching that microphone for me. Okay. Okay. 27 degrees Celsius to Fahrenheit. I'm not the first person to Google this in case you were wondering. Oh, that's 80 degrees. It's lovely out. Yeah. Oh, you must have grass and everything. Yeah. Oh, that sounds wonderful. Have you ever lived anywhere besides Canada?

Kristyana 14:09
Ah, no, no, no. Yeah. Besides Vancouver.

Scott Benner 14:12
But yeah, but what do we count Vancouver is Canada. Yeah, we make a lot of our TV shows in Vancouver America. I mean. Yeah, they make a lot of TV shows there. You didn't know that. Right? You ever seen that Flash show where that boy runs around real fast? Yeah,

Kristyana 14:33
I don't think so. We probably

Scott Benner 14:35
don't let you guys have the shows. We probably just make them and bring them back here. That doesn't seem fair at all. What's your favorite TV show?

Kristyana 14:45
I don't really know. Yeah, you

Scott Benner 14:47
don't do watch TV?

Kristyana 14:48
Yeah, do

Scott Benner 14:49
you do okay. Do you play sports?

Kristyana 14:53
Yes.

Scott Benner 14:55
What do you do?

Kristyana 14:56
Um, rock climbing track and field. I'm hearing though that was mostly summer and then biking for summer school during and stuff, but the winter will be skiing and snowboarding.

Scott Benner 15:10
Yeah. Do you really enjoy that? Yeah. being active and being outside. Wow, that's pretty cool. Do you guys do it as a family?

Kristyana 15:21
Yes. Rock climbing. I take classes, so I can't. But everything else we do is terrible. That's

Scott Benner 15:28
lovely. Do you have a brother or sister? My brother? Is he younger or older than you? Yeah. Do you like telling him what to do? And no, you don't like, are you sweet to him? So is he a baby? How old is he?

Kristyana 15:44
Um, he's 708 this year. And you

Scott Benner 15:48
guys get along? Well? Yes. Gotcha. Does Do you think that he ever thinks about whether he might get diabetes or not? Oh, no, no. Do you ever wonder?

Kristyana 16:01
No. Okay.

Scott Benner 16:02
Here's a weird question. Do you ever wish someone else in your family had diabetes? No, no, like, you know what? I mean? So you wouldn't be like the only one? Yeah, no, you don't think he has it? Oh, that's a good. I appreciate you bringing that back up. Do you and your aunt talk about type one? No, not really. No. Does she ever pump?

Kristyana 16:27
No, she only has Dexcom do six. Oh,

Scott Benner 16:30
no pomp though. Old school.

Kristyana 16:35
Yeah, because I don't know what time she she was pretty young when she got diabetes. Like you?

Scott Benner 16:42
Yeah, that's nice. No, no kidding. My daughter. Do you know how old my daughter was? Do you want to guess we'll play a guessing game. Oh, my daughter. She was in cut. She's in college. Now. How well do you think she was when she was diagnosed? You had to pick a not just pick a number. 202 is right. How did you know that? Are you cheating? No. Stan, are you on the Google? No, no. All right. Well, that was a really good guess.

Kristyana 17:14
Shall we do listen to your podcast?

Scott Benner 17:15
So you already knew or you listen to this podcast? Yeah. Oh my gosh. Do I ever say stuff and your parents? Like don't listen to that part. No, no. Okay. Do they? Do you think they pre listened to it and then tell you the episodes to listen to? No. Do you listen to all of them?

Kristyana 17:34
Not all of them yet. All right. Here's

Scott Benner 17:36
a question. Do you listen to on your phone or on someone else's? My

Kristyana 17:41
parents or parents?

Scott Benner 17:42
Did they get you a phone? Yeah. Nice. That's the like having a cell phone?

Kristyana 17:48
Yeah,

Scott Benner 17:49
yeah. Do you do anything with it? You're not supposed to. No, no. Okay. Which one of your parents is a better parent? I like them both. It's a good answer. It's a very good answer. Do you do certain things with your dad and certain things with your mom? Or do you guys trade around? That's really nice. That's really very nice. All right, Christina, listen, you've listed the podcast. So you know, I like nice and quiet. So what are we doing with that microphone that says rubbing on something. Don't do that. Okay. Just think. Okay, thank you. I really appreciate that didn't sound harsh did it? Yeah, no. Okay. Mikey. I didn't mean it harshly. It's just making my brain tickle. If that makes sense. Okay, yeah. What made you want to do this?

Like, did you say, did you say to your parents, I want to be on the podcast, or did they say to you, you should be on the podcast?

Kristyana 18:51
I

Scott Benner 18:53
don't remember. Yeah. Okay. That's fair. What are you going to do today? It's very early in the morning, so obviously, you're gonna go back to sleep. But then after you wake up, what are you gonna do?

Kristyana 19:03
No, I'm gonna go to school after you go to school

Scott Benner 19:07
after this. Yeah, what time do you have to leave?

Kristyana 19:11
740 Oh, that's pretty soon.

Scott Benner 19:13
Are you all ready to go to school already?

Kristyana 19:15
Yeah.

Scott Benner 19:16
Have you eaten?

Kristyana 19:17
Yeah,

Scott Benner 19:18
you got up early to do this with me. Yeah, thank you. That's very nice.

Kristyana 19:23
You're welcome.

Scott Benner 19:24
What so what did you eat for breakfast?

Kristyana 19:27
Um, a bagel? Well, half a bagel. I don't want to eat the whole thing. An apple.

Scott Benner 19:35
A bagel on an apple.

Kristyana 19:36
Have you ever been some cheese? Some cheese?

Scott Benner 19:39
Have you ever had a bagel in New York City?

Kristyana 19:41
No.

Scott Benner 19:42
I've never been there. They're way better than the bagels in British Columbia. One day you get one. Okay, how many carbs or how many carbs are in your bagels?

Kristyana 19:53
Because these ones are keto ones are used. They're only two grams.

Scott Benner 19:57
Oh, you're not gonna like the one I like the one in New York then it's gonna have like 85 carbs in it. But it's really good. Wait, so do you eat keto?

Kristyana 20:10
Sometimes Sometimes,

Scott Benner 20:11
like for certain foods where it makes it easier to Bolus? No,

Kristyana 20:16
not really. I just eat whatever. Okay, how do we have the bagels and eat?

Scott Benner 20:22
Nice? Is somebody in your house keto? No, no, you just buy keto bagels. Wow. Because they're good. And they are good. Yeah, shout them out. What do they call it? You know?

Kristyana 20:37
Oh, no, I don't think so. Okay.

Scott Benner 20:39
I like when you just say I don't know. And you think those bagels make it to British Columbia truck you're saying you don't think they're pulled by dogs?

Kristyana 20:47
Yeah, they might be made. You think

Scott Benner 20:50
they make them? They make bagels and British Columbia?

Kristyana 20:53
Yeah. make bread.

Scott Benner 20:57
You got bakery? You guys have everything there? Seriously, I just I just thought Canada was like a big piece of snow. And then some animals and then some people that are you telling me you don't live in an igloo? Yep. Oh, like with walls and everything? Yeah. Unbelievable. That's wonderful. Times have changed. Do you have any questions for me? Yeah. Nothing. You listen to the podcast or ever say anything stupid that you're like, why is that stupid guy saying that? No, no. Do I ever say anything that you're like, Oh, my parents are gonna make me do that now. Yeah, no. All right.

Why? So this morning when you had your bagel and your Apple did you Pre-Bolus for it?

Kristyana 21:57
By like, five minutes.

Scott Benner 21:59
Now, is that something you were supposed to Pre-Bolus when you just didn't do it? Or you just that's usually how you do it? Yeah. Okay, so about five minutes. And then did your blood sugar go up afterwards? Okay.

Kristyana 22:18
Yes, it always goes up in the morning. Do you know why?

Scott Benner 22:24
It's probably because you didn't Pre-Bolus Yeah. And I so listen, so what's your blood sugar right now? I have a little conversion chart in front of me. It'll tell me

Kristyana 22:33
what 8.4

Scott Benner 22:37
point four. I just typing it in juicebox podcast.com 8.4. Sugar blood sugars like 150. Yeah. Well, that's not bad at all. After a bagel and an apple. You prefer a red apple or a green apple? Red. Do you want to guess what color Apple I prefer? Green Green. No, that's wrong. I like red as well.

Kristyana 23:09
Well, ours apples are usually reddish yellow.

Scott Benner 23:14
Yellow, red and yellow. i There's no way they grow apples in Canada.

Kristyana 23:20
Yes.

Scott Benner 23:21
Are you sure?

Kristyana 23:22
Yes. Hold on. I've been fine.

Scott Benner 23:27
You've been doing orchard? Yeah. Yeah, I just googled

Kristyana 23:33
the name which is in Canada. Yeah.

Scott Benner 23:36
Oh, yeah. There's a lot of Oh, wow. Apparently Canada does grow apples. I would have bet money against. Okay. Do you have any idea what you want to do when you get older?

Kristyana 23:55
Why want to be a nurse. Yeah. How

Scott Benner 23:57
come? Yeah. Do you like helping people? Yeah. Okay. Has a nurse that have you ever had a nurse that helped you?

Kristyana 24:12
In the hospital? Yes.

Scott Benner 24:16
That's it. One. Yes. One lady or a man?

Kristyana 24:20
Yeah. No, it was a lady. Well, there was a few other day but I like to.

Scott Benner 24:24
Yeah, how come you liked her more than the others?

Kristyana 24:28
He was really nice. Gotcha.

Scott Benner 24:30
Do you think you'll be a nice Nurse? Yes. Yeah. Makes sense. Do you ever think about I mean, your nine What do you think about every day? Like what's very important to you? school. School doing well at school? Yeah. Okay. Hey, did you have to go to school from home for the COVID stuff?

Kristyana 24:54
Yes. A year. Well, half a year basically.

Scott Benner 24:58
Yeah. How was that? It was good. Yeah, your mom teacher.

Kristyana 25:04
Um, our parents, my parents and my friend's parents that was just up the street would take turns teaching off of call. Nice.

Scott Benner 25:14
So you didn't do like a zoom thing where you talk to your teacher through like your computer

Kristyana 25:18
while we would, we would but otherwise that we would do it together are very nice.

Scott Benner 25:25
My daughter used to cheat in gym class on Zoom. Why? Because she didn't want because it was early in the morning and she didn't want to do the calisthenics. So she would put her computer in a certain way where you could just kind of see her head. And then she would just lift her neck up and down once in a while to make it look like she was doing situps Do you think you'll ever do something like that when you get older? No, no, you're a good girl. Right? Yeah, my kids a monster. I hear what you're saying. Just breaking the rules and pretending to do sit ups. You know, I'm saying you shouldn't do that. I'll tell her later when I thought she also did not take my advice about telling her teacher her name. She said she's not doing that. I know. It's unbelievable. Do you think your parents will have more kids? Or is too enough? Yeah. Do you wish that? Yeah. You would like a girl or a boy? Yeah. Because your boy is your brother. Like doesn't do the same stuff you do or what's up?

Kristyana 26:25
He does some things.

Scott Benner 26:29
But you'd rather have a sister or an extra. Not in place. I'm not saying you don't want your brother. I'm saying you know,

Kristyana 26:36
well. I want my brother but I want another sister or brother. Yeah. You

Scott Benner 26:40
know when we get off this? Why don't you tell your dad that? Tell him you and I spoke about it and you really would like a sister. Okay. Yeah. Do you think he knows how to get that done? Wait, why? Why are you laughing? You're laughing What do you know about babies and how they get made? I don't. Okay, they don't tell you anything. No. Do you think a stork brings them to the house? No, no. How about a sled dog? You think a sled dog brings it? No. Have you ever seen a sled dog? No, come on. Really? What do you live in? Do you live in a city or a town or something? I gotta look up this British Columbia. Are you serious? You ain't only me. Are you telling me there's like there's like tall buildings.

Kristyana 27:37
I'm not so tall. Not college Vancouver.

Scott Benner 27:42
Oh, but you have like lakes and mountains and everything too. Yeah. Oh, it's really pretty there. I'm looking at pictures.

Kristyana 27:50
Hold on. No sled dogs.

Scott Benner 27:51
No, I'm understanding that now. And you're on the west coast of Canada. Right.

Kristyana 27:56
I'm not sure you aren't. Cam Lopes.

Scott Benner 28:02
Yeah, you can trust me. I'm looking at a map. Definitely the west coast of Canada. Yeah. Okay. Oh, cuz Vancouver. Vancouver is also in Vancouver, British Columbia. Yeah. Okay, I understand. Now I'm getting it all together in my head. So you want to be a nurse? You're like your brother. You don't? You don't pick on him. Ever. You never pick on him? Know tease them a little bit when nobody's looking. No, no. Does he pick on you or tease you? Why do you think you two are so nice? Your parents making you be nice. Are they paying you? No, no, no. Do you get a an allowance? Like you do stuff around the house. They put a couple coins in your pocket. Noah Looney are here. Here there? Yeah, no. Yeah. You know, they put they made diabetes money in Canada last year. Did you know that?

Kristyana 29:05
They put one second hold

Scott Benner 29:07
on. I'm gonna explain it to you. Because I don't know a lot of the words. Last year. Yeah, here it is. Canada issued a $2 coin to celebrate the research of insulin in Canada. You didn't You didn't see them? No, no, I have them here. Somebody sent me some somebody from Canada sent me some because they were very nice to me. They came in the mail too, but I just assumed about the dog. I guess I was wrong. Yeah, so it's like a it's like a coin with a picture on the back of like some like scientific stuff. And it says insulin and 1921 to 2021. So I guess it was I guess that was the 100 year celebration of when they found Did you know they found insulin they figured out how to make insulin in Canada. Oh,

Kristyana 30:01
no.

Scott Benner 30:03
Oh, that would be a good thing for a book report one day. Do you ever have to write reports?

Kristyana 30:08
No, not in first grade. But

Scott Benner 30:10
you know how to write though. Yeah. Okay. You prefer pencils or pens?

Kristyana 30:16
Pens. Yeah, me too. erasable pens.

Scott Benner 30:20
They make our erasable pens. That's amazing. Isn't that amazing? Yeah, yeah. All right, the guys that found insulin in 1920 they're called Frederick Banting. And Charles Best and there's other people say there was a third guy there and a lady but I don't know their names. But yeah, they they discovered insulin in Canada. That crazy. Oh, wow. Yeah. Makes you feel proud. Right? Yeah, yeah. I wonder what else they figured out in Canada. Let's look up things that were invented in Canada. Do you wanna do that? invented? I mean, I'm doing it but then I'll tell you about it. Alright. Marquis wheat. Universal Standard Time. Insulin, the snowmobile. Well, that's not surprising, is it? Oh, these are funny. The electric wheelchair. I don't know why that's right. I think

Kristyana 31:19
they have them here.

Scott Benner 31:20
Of course they do. They made them they're here. This is interesting. They say the telephone in 1874. Although the first telephone was built in the United States by Alexander Graham Bell, wait, Alexander Graham Bell claims to have invented the device in Brantford, Ontario. This guy's Canada. Yeah, that's definitely Canada. They also wait a minute. There's something here called Canada Arm. What could Canada RMB. Lights? The light bulb? You guys did the light bulb. I gotta stop making fun of you. Give me me. Hi. Let's figure out what Canada Arm is first. Oh. It's a series of robotic arms that were used in the space shuttle. Have you ever seen pictures? Do you know what the Space Shuttle was? Yeah. Okay. So there's they would open up the top of it. And they'd had stuff inside. And then they had a crane that came around and pulled it out. The crane was the catalog. Oh, wow. We're learning all kinds of stuff here. Also the Wonder bra. Do you know what that is? No, no, you're nine. You don't need a wonder bra. That's for sure. Bra. It's a bra. But I think it I don't know how to explain it. But it says wonder bra has been helping women in Canada feel and look beautiful since 1939 1939. How old would you be if you were born in 1939? I don't know. Do you know how to figure it out? Yeah, you take this year, which is 2023. Okay, then you subtract 1939 from that? And the answer is how long you would have been alive. 84 years if you were born in 1939. And you're nine, right? Yep. So if I subtract nine from 84 that means a person born in 1939. Is 75 years older than you? Oh, isn't that insane? Right.

Kristyana 33:27
Yeah. Turning 10 this year.

Scott Benner 33:29
You are turning 10 this year? Yeah. Let me be the first person to say Happy Birthday then. When is your birthday?

Kristyana 33:34
November 29.

Scott Benner 33:36
I'm a little ahead then. You're gonna have to remember this on your birthday. Are you having fun? Oh, yeah, you are? Is it? Why? Why are you having fun? Are you just being polite? No, no, you're not just like, oh, I can't wait for this to be over. No, you're having a good time. Yeah. Do you don't seem capable of why? What's the biggest lie you've ever told?

Kristyana 34:07
I haven't told him. No.

Scott Benner 34:09
Is that a lie? Just now? Did you just lie about lying? No, you've never lied. That's excellent. That's excellent. Let me ask you a question. You're outside in British Columbia, which we now know is a city or something like that. And you're walking around. It sounds like you probably have sidewalks and everything. Right? Yeah, right. Right. So you look down on the sidewalk. And what do you see on the sidewalk? It's a bag full loonies? You know what that is, right. Yeah, yeah. Okay, so a big bag full of coins. You're like, you start digging through it. Like there's a lot in here. What do you do with it?

Yeah, cuz if somebody was on the way to the bank and dropped their loonies on the ground, didn't realize it, to try to find out who's the They are do you keep them for yourself?

Kristyana 35:02
I tried to find out who they are.

Scott Benner 35:04
That's really nice. You know where that story comes from? My sister in law who found money when she was a kid and Cabot? My mom said money. Yeah. How much do you think? 2020? Oh, that's sweet. I once found $5 in the washing machine was super excited. It was even stupid because I think it was my $5 You don't? I mean? Isn't that ridiculous? Yeah, right. Like if I had $5, and I left it in my pocket. And then later in the day I reached in, I found $5. I wouldn't get excited. But for some reason, I left it in my pocket. And when in the washing machine when I saw it in the washing machine, I was like, I found $5. But I didn't really find it now that I'm stopping and thinking about. Interesting, right? Hey, how do you how do you feel about putting on your Dexcom and your Omnipod? Do you? Does it bother you? Are you pretty good with it? Do you do it yourself? Or do you let your parents help?

Kristyana 36:05
Where do you like to wait? Good, because putting the insulin into the pump is hard. Like drying it out.

Scott Benner 36:11
And then getting the ball and getting the bubbles out?

Kristyana 36:14
Yeah,

Scott Benner 36:15
yeah. Do you mind the clicking with the only pods going in? It's like click click click this. You don't mind that. Interesting. You think of yourself as a tough kid?

Kristyana 36:29
Not always. No.

Scott Benner 36:31
Does it ever get upsetting or sad? They have diabetes? No. Wow. You're pretty cool. How? You're very welcome. Let me ask you this. This is tough for me. Okay. It's a big question. You ready for this big question? Yeah. Do you know what I'm doing right now? You know, try to think of my next question. I was trying to make it sound like I had a big question. Then. It didn't happen. I didn't like nothing came into my head. So now I'm embarrassed a little bit. All right now we've been talking for half an hour. Do you have any questions for me? Nothing. What is it like to be a famous podcaster? Maybe you wonder. No, that's not a question for you. Yeah, How tall am I? You know, how tall are you?

Kristyana 37:30
I'm not sure I'm four foot. four

Scott Benner 37:33
foot something? Is your mom. Is your mom a tall person or No?

Kristyana 37:37
No. Do you think you're my cousin as though? Oh,

Scott Benner 37:41
there is a little height in the family though. Yeah, maybe you'll be taught Do you want to be taller? Can I give you a piece of advice? Yeah, if you end up being tall, be proud of it. Hold your hold your head up. Don't slump. Okay. You know, slump. You know the word. Yes. Yeah. Like the roll your like shoulders forward and like don't do that. Tall. Girls are cool. Short girls are cool, too. But, you know, I'm saying

Kristyana 38:10
like cousins. Well, then she's taller than my mom called Arthur.

Scott Benner 38:14
No kidding. Like a big like tall like a basketball hall or just regular tall.

Kristyana 38:23
recoloured not too tall.

Scott Benner 38:26
I gotcha. Who's the most famous Canadian you can think of right now?

I thought you're gonna say Drake. Do you know who Drake is? No, no. Interesting. Interesting. Interesting. Interesting. All right. Have you seen a movie theater recently? All right, Christina. I was gonna ask you if you like popcorn and how you Bolus for it? I do. Like how do you Bolus for it?

Kristyana 39:03
I had popcorn a few days ago. Oh, yeah.

Scott Benner 39:06
Did the kernels get stuck in your teeth? Yeah, yeah, I hate that.

Kristyana 39:12
Oh, we have a scales that we can put stuff on it. And it would usually measure how many carbs because we had no idea there was no packaging with this because at school, they made it for Autism Awareness Month. Some high scores.

Scott Benner 39:31
They always, they always say if you want to bring awareness to autism make popcorn. Yeah, yeah. So you put it on a scale?

Kristyana 39:39
Yeah, we have a scale that you can put numbers in and then that's your number. Do you use that for it?

Scott Benner 39:46
Do you use that skill for every meal or just once in a while?

Kristyana 39:51
I'm asleep or when we're at home for dinner time. There's there's like noodles and stuff.

Scott Benner 39:58
Yeah. Do you ever go out the restaurant?

Kristyana 40:01
Yes, sometimes.

Scott Benner 40:02
Do you find it more difficult to Bolus at restaurants than you do at home? Yeah, yeah. What's your favorite restaurant?

Kristyana 40:15
No towels. No, that's in sample. lets you know that as somebody moves out or

Scott Benner 40:27
lecture, you're not sure. Hey, when you guys decide to go out to eat, this is what happens in my family. We say, hey, let's, let's go and get Sunday. People like, Alright, and then we forget, it takes forever for everybody to get in the car. Then they get in the car, and everybody goes, where do you want to go? And then everyone says, I don't know. You decide. Does that happen to you?

Kristyana 40:46
Know, you guys usually have a decided? Look at your people.

Scott Benner 40:52
You guys are very organized. Who's Who's the organized person in the family? Is that your mom or your dad?

Kristyana 41:00
They both they both are. Okay.

Scott Benner 41:03
Do you know what your dad does to make money?

Kristyana 41:08
He he. I do now just explain it.

Scott Benner 41:16
Okay, well, keep trying. How do you explain think about it? Like he does this is you working in a building? Or does he do this to do something from home from home? Okay, so he's not a logger? Yeah, no. Okay. Does he tan beaver pelts for hats? No, no. Okay. Does he sit on his computer and type a lot?

Kristyana 41:42
Um, yeah, because, okay, yeah, that guy Nana. So he coaches athletes for baking.

Scott Benner 41:53
Yeah, that's really cool.

Kristyana 41:55
And then he there's this kind of it's a game for biking indoors. You have a trainer and then you have a progress door computer view and it's called Swift. And then there's another one I forgot what that was called.

Scott Benner 42:12
Well, Christiana, you went from I don't know how to explain it to explaining it very well. I don't know. Look it up. With Z. Oh, it's like peloton with bicycles? Yeah. Does your dad running and running? And does your dad ride them? As a trainer?

Kristyana 42:35
With the train? Oh, so he's not

Scott Benner 42:37
the guy that people see when they're looking in the computer screen. You get to make your character. Oh, you have to make a character.

Kristyana 42:45
You get things when you lit. Level.

Scott Benner 42:50
Wow. Look at you. Doing a little. A little product placement for your dad. That's very nice. So does your dad work for them? Because he owned the company?

Kristyana 43:04
I think he

Scott Benner 43:06
helps. Yeah, that's what I do at my job. I just help mostly other people do stuff and I help. So if you're a nurse, you're not gonna be able to work from home. Is that okay? Yeah, you prefer to work? At a hospital maybe? Yeah, yeah. Okay. Hey, do you have to go to school? Um, I hope I'm not holding you up. Am I Is everything okay?

Kristyana 43:26
No. Okay, good. Good. Leave at 740.

Scott Benner 43:29
Okay. And then you just hop in the car, which we now know you have and you drive to school? Yeah. Sure about the car thing? Yes. Okay. I believe you. You'd ever lie. Right? Yeah,

Kristyana 43:44
well, look it up. Wait, there's cars in camera.

Scott Benner 43:49
I'm gonna get I'm gonna Google it. You know, Google, right? Yeah. Do Wait, does does Canada have? Oh, wait. Do you want to know what other people Googled? What? Do you know, when you type stuff into Google that shows you what other people Googled? So does Canada have free health care? Do you think they do?

Kristyana 44:14
I'm not sure. They do. So for some people.

Scott Benner 44:18
Does Canada have a President? Yes or no. I was a president

Kristyana 44:27
on the hard one. I don't know that. You

Scott Benner 44:32
have a guy but he's not called a president. I think it's the Prime Minister. No Prime Minister. Yeah, pretty guy. Ever seen him on TV? No. Does Canada have states? No, no. What do you have? Um, cities provinces say provinces. Province

Kristyana 44:54
provinces.

Scott Benner 44:55
Are you say like a regular person, not like a Canadian. Okay, this dude Does Canada have nuclear weapons? You think you do?

Kristyana 45:02
Hi, not sure.

Scott Benner 45:04
Does Canada have a queen? No. A military? I don't know you do daylight savings time. Do you switch your clocks twice a year and the time changes the little? Yes. Yeah, that then do you have those be

Kristyana 45:22
good it goes. I think it was an hour later in our report. So I was at a ski competition in Revelstoke here in Canada, and the time change to the next day. And we would have to be up at like 530 because we have to be at the ski hill by seven. Get up after the chairlift.

Scott Benner 45:46
You know, any Yiddish ever you want ever heard somebody say? Well, a few. No, no, you find the bagel in New York. Someone will say, Does Canada have a constitution? That's the last one. I don't think you do. I have no idea what that is. I'm just gonna I'm gonna hit that one. The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms which was adopted in 1982 82. Come on, guarantees the rights and freedoms set out in its subject to reasonable limits prescribed by law. I don't know what that means. But apparently you got something called a Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. It's very wordy. If you asked me. You don't I mean, yeah, yeah. And 1982 what was happening before that? I have no idea me either. How old was I in? 1982? Let me think I was 11 How old are you? 10. Wow. Yeah, turning 10 So in 1982 I was your age and now in 2023. You're that age. That makes me what? I don't know how old I'm old. Right. Are your parents old?

Kristyana 46:57
Not too old. No.

Scott Benner 46:58
They're okay. Then I can play to that their knees hurt or anything yet.

Kristyana 47:02
My dad his back because a snowboarder

Scott Benner 47:07
and when his back hurts he's never said I have a my back.

Kristyana 47:10
Never once.

Scott Benner 47:13
Okay. Christiana, you're delightful.

Kristyana 47:21
Thank you. You're very welcome.

Scott Benner 47:22
What color hair do you have?

Kristyana 47:26
Kind of like a golden brown.

Scott Benner 47:31
Oh, lovely. Is it like long like to your shoulders or is it shorter? Was it very long?

Kristyana 47:36
A little longer than my shoulders?

Scott Benner 47:40
Do you ever look at magazines? Think about what you want your hair to look like? Yes, no. Do you like clothes? Yes, yeah. Do you like to put your own outfits together? My daughter loves to do that when she was low.

Kristyana 47:52
Well, I can't ask her school days.

Scott Benner 47:56
Oh, do you have to wear a uniform? Yeah.

Kristyana 48:00
Private School.

Scott Benner 48:01
Oh, do you have to dress like a Mountie? No, no. Do you know what a mouse he is? Yes. So you so is it like they? Is your uniform? Ugly? Or is it not? No. No. Is it blue?

Kristyana 48:17
It's like naked people.

Scott Benner 48:20
skirts or can you wear pants?

Kristyana 48:23
Like we can like your pants? Shorts? Skirt?

Scott Benner 48:26
Nice. You got to wear the leggings with the skirt? No, you don't have to. You don't have to. But do you in the winter? Because I mean, is it a very cold there?

Kristyana 48:36
No, it isn't too cold. But when you go up onto the mountain for skiing, it's my it's summertime is minus 30.

Scott Benner 48:46
That sounds horrible. Do you like skiing? Or does your family just drag you along? And you have to go? No.

Kristyana 48:51
I love skiing. Love it. Tell

Scott Benner 48:53
me about loving ski.

Kristyana 48:58
I like because it's like cold. The cold.

Scott Benner 49:03
You do like the cold? Yeah. Yeah. The cold makes me sad. Makes me say it's so cold. It's so cold. It's so cold. It's so cold. Why are we here? But you like it? That's nice. That's very nice. Okay, so what do you think we've learned so far today?

Kristyana 49:29
About definitely do go. And

Scott Benner 49:37
we learned a lot of things. They have cars in Canada who knew that? No, I knew that. You did because you're there but I've never been there before. Like, here's a question for you ready? Want to get really, like really thoughtful. Have you ever been to America?

Kristyana 49:51
Um, no. No.

Scott Benner 49:54
Okay. Do you think there are cars in America? Yes. Do you know that for sure. Oh, yes, no, you don't know that for sure. For sure. Here. Let's do another thought exercise. Are you in a room right now? Yeah. Okay. Is the door closed? Yes. Okay. Is there a big clown standing outside of the door? No, that's not the right answer. The right answer is probably not. But you don't know for sure. Because you can't see. There is an infinite possibility that there's a clown on the other side of the door. Do you like clowns? No, no, me either. No one does not even clowns. They're self hating people. Now, my point is this. Is there a clan outside of your door? Probably not. All reasonable. All reasonable thought tells us there is not a clan outside of your door. But you cannot with 100% Certainty tell me there's not because you don't know because you're not outside of the door. So let me re ask my question. Are there cars in the United States?

Kristyana 51:01
Navy. Very

Scott Benner 51:02
good. You've learned a lot today. Don't make assumptions. Okay. I've made a ton of them today. And not one of them was right. Remember, I thought you live where Santa Claus lived? I thought there were no cars where you? I believed you had a pet penguin that there were polar bears in your backyard. And that there were no tall buildings. Right. I was surprised to hear there were sidewalks. And yet all those things exist now. That's what you say? I don't know for sure. I've never been to Canada. I've ever been to an island. A nice warm Island

Hawaii, you know, Hawaii. Tell your parents. Here's what we're gonna do when we get down here. Don't forget we have some messages for your dad. What are they? Do you remember? Well, you would like a baby sister. Right? And if he's riding a lot of bikes sooner than later, probably. So you would like a baby sister. And maybe a nice Hawaiian vacation. Yeah, right. Yeah,

Kristyana 52:14
we are going to you this year.

Scott Benner 52:16
Look at us and see where in Europe? You're going. All right. Your dad going home? Yeah, yeah, you guys. Have you ever been to where your dad's from? We dance from Germany? A lot. drags you back to Germany all the time. So what is the how long is the flight?

Kristyana 52:36
Um, so here we usually go from here to Vancouver. Which is maybe in our insane Coover to either Frankfurt or the other place. We're going to this year, maybe 10 to 12 hours. Wow.

Scott Benner 52:53
What do you do? And then another

Kristyana 52:55
like, hour or two? Does

Scott Benner 52:57
your blood sugar try to stay high on the plane? Or do you do the? Um,

Kristyana 53:01
I haven't been on the plane yet with type one. Oh, okay.

Scott Benner 53:06
Okay, well, that'll be interesting and different. May I give you a little suggestion? Okay, when you get off the plane and you're running around looking for your luggage, that's a good time to like, make sure like to check to make sure you're not getting low. Okay? Because sometimes you're on the plane, you're sitting very still. And you're giving yourself a little extra insulin because your blood sugar maybe won't come down. Then you get up and you start moving and then maybe your blood sugar could drop. So that's a good thing to pay attention to. Okay, what do you what do you do to keep yourself saying on the plane? You got a movie you watch you do? Sudoku, what do you do?

Kristyana 53:43
Usually the plans they take have a built in iPads in front of you. And then you just bring headphones, plug them in and watch 12 hours of last time I went on a long flight. It's probably up for like six hours. Four hours of sleep. It was nice. For

Scott Benner 54:03
you slept overnight. Yeah, you know,

Kristyana 54:07
four hours.

Scott Benner 54:08
Do you know what they call a flight that happens overnight? What they call it a red eye?

Kristyana 54:14
Oh, well, we're going to share overnight because we're going to be leaving the first day of spring break at 4pm. And we'll probably get to Vancouver depending on what time we're leaving. Zachary by five or six. Wow, that's and we'll probably get within there's jetlag because they're like nine hours ahead of us so probably tired.

Scott Benner 54:38
Yeah, for sure. Sounds like you have it all planned out. How many? How long are you going to be gone for

Kristyana 54:45
six weeks?

Scott Benner 54:46
Wow, that's so cool.

Kristyana 54:50
As we every two months some summer break.

Scott Benner 54:54
What are you doing with that dog while you're gone?

Kristyana 54:57
My friends are gonna look after him.

Scott Benner 54:59
That's Lovely, very nice friends. Wow, that sounds really cool. And you'll get to go see where your dad grew up and stuff like that. I seen it. You'll see it again as long as there. Is the food better there or in Canada? They're really interesting. Canadian foods no good. Yeah, no, no, I'm glad you've taken the stance. Okay. This will probably be big news. Canadian foods. Thanks, says Christianna.

Kristyana 55:31
I never said that.

Scott Benner 55:33
Oh, look at you. Can you just let me have my fun? Thank you. Once you're done with all this, like, say, say later today, you're at school, you have show and tell?

Kristyana 55:48
No. That's only in kindergarten. How

Scott Benner 55:52
do I know? I'm not in Canada? That's why I'm asking the questions. So say you're in school later today. And your teacher says, we're going to go around the room. Everybody's going to tell us what you did. Before you came to school today. How would you explain what we did today? When

Kristyana 56:07
you don't do that?

Scott Benner 56:11
Are you practicing to be my wife? What's going on here? Just answer the question. So seriously, if someone were to ask you about what you did this morning, how would you describe this?

Kristyana 56:23
I don't know.

Scott Benner 56:27
All right. But you do know where you want to go to dinner when you get in the car. Yeah, where are we? Where do you want to go? If we went out to dinner tonight in Canada? Where would you want to go again?

Kristyana 56:35
I'm

Scott Benner 56:40
white to white skull. Spot white. I was gonna say white school does not sound like a good restaurant. was like a white spot. Oh

Kristyana 56:56
I have it there. Yeah, I

Scott Benner 56:58
got the I got the Google machine and everything. Huh, Canada's got everything. Wait.

Kristyana 57:08
Wait, I'm

Scott Benner 57:09
looking. Yeah, there's one in Vancouver. There's all kinds of stuff.

Kristyana 57:14
All right. There's like two or three here.

Scott Benner 57:18
Unbelievable. What's your favorite little thing to get there while you're eating?

Kristyana 57:24
I like to use your I pretty much sure like a lot. Oh my god. Adult.

Scott Benner 57:33
Nice. Oh, yeah.

Kristyana 57:35
The title is how hungry I am. I

Scott Benner 57:37
hear what you're saying. They say would you like a children's money? Like no thank you. I can wear from the adult menu.

Kristyana 57:42
I still get the kids menu because I like doing what's on the kids menu.

Scott Benner 57:47
Oh, the like, draw on them and stuff. Yeah, word find activities, connect the dots. And stuff like that. Yeah, I hear you. I used to love that. Does your mom and dad do it with you? Or do they let you do it by yourself?

Kristyana 58:00
I do.

Scott Benner 58:03
Okay, Christiana, I think we've had a lovely time. It's been a whole hour that we've been talking. Yes. Pretty cool. Is there anything that you want to say that we haven't said because we're gonna finish up?

Kristyana 58:21
Let's see. Yes. Go ahead. Um, back to the pump. Yep. I use we looped it on to my phone. Oh, did your daughter use that?

Scott Benner 58:39
Arden's using the loop three. Yes.

Kristyana 58:43
You just have a teacher now. Nice. How do you take his when we will go skiing sometimes we will go out for lunch. And then we would forget my TOMS shoes and I couldn't eat like the bread and stuff. Okay. Then when we looked at onto my phone because I would always have my phone with me. Yeah. It was a lot

Scott Benner 59:09
easier. Nice. That an iPhone you have over there. Yeah, yes. Fancy. You like it? Yeah, yeah. I am looking at my iPhone right now. Because I'm getting a message about Arden's blood sugar. What does it looks like? Like Princess Arden has eaten recently. I'm looking on night. I'm looking on Nightscout Nightscout us? Yeah. So she just looks like she. Here's what happened. Like she got out of bed and her blood sugar went up a little bit. I see the loop has been trying to fix it but it has only been able to hold our blood sugar around 150 and she has just bolused for food. Let me get my glasses. As I'm old as I brought up earlier, so it's hard for me to see the phone. Oh, look, there it is. 30 grams. She put in 5.95 units just now actually. Oh, yeah. Oh, they're right. How much insulin do you get?

Kristyana 1:00:20
Um, I cannot get 5.95 units, right? Yeah. 30 grams. She's, like 60 grams.

Scott Benner 1:00:29
That would be more like 60 for you. Yeah, okay. Yeah, Arden I have to say she's been doing the last 12 hours has been more snacking than actual meals. But now here's a meal going back like a day. 13 units. Oh, wow. Yeah. 13 units would put you to sleep. You'd be like, that's way too much. How much food would you have to eat for 13 units?

Kristyana 1:01:01
I don't know. For seven. I've had I've had 13 units before I think around that

Scott Benner 1:01:10
for Tim Hortons. No, no, for what? Pizza? Pizza. Wow, you've never had pizza on the East Coast of America. That's a shame. You would love it. Where do you get pizza from?

Kristyana 1:01:25
Um, we just use a pizza crust and make it Oh,

Scott Benner 1:01:29
you make it yourself? Oh, that's very nice. Yeah. Oh, that's lovely. There are no other pizza places where you can go out and get pizza. I don't usually do that. Yeah, Canadian pizza cannot be good. Am I right?

Kristyana 1:01:43
Yes, sometimes?

Scott Benner 1:01:45
Is it? You're so proud Canada, you're very pro Canadian person. I like this. They call that patriotic? They call it patriotic in Canada? I don't know. If we went back and did a transcript of this whole conversation. Do you think I don't know is the thing you would have said most?

Kristyana 1:02:08
Probably.

Scott Benner 1:02:10
I tricked you into saying probably. Because if I would have said to you, if we went back and made a transcript of this conversation, what do you what phrase Do you think you said the most you would have said?

Kristyana 1:02:23
I don't know? Exactly. Then

Scott Benner 1:02:24
I would have giggled to myself, but nobody else would have known. All right. Well, Christina was very nice to meet you. I really appreciate you doing this. Thank you so much.

Kristyana 1:02:32
You too.

Scott Benner 1:02:33
Yeah, you were lovely. I we can just say goodbye if you want unless your dad's in the room. And you want to go yes. Yeah. Do you want to tell him now that you want to baby sister while I'm still recording? You're not going to tell him? Can I tell him? Oh, you don't want them to know. Okay, well, it's just be between me you and the 10s of 1000s of people who will one day listen to this. Okay. Yeah. Okay. All right. I hope you have a good day. You too. Bye bye.

All right, let's thank Christiana for coming on the show and her slippery mom for getting her past the screening process. I'm just kidding. I'm mostly kidding. I'm not kidding completely. And remind you to go check out the private Facebook group for the Juicebox Podcast. I hope you enjoyed this episode. I genuinely love doing this. And I promised I was gonna tell you story. I'll do that in just a second. There's a little outtake of crystianna and I saying hello to each other. And then I'm going to tell you a story afterwards. But I don't know there's nothing really left to say go find the private Facebook group and follow the public page to if you wouldn't mind it's just called Juicebox Podcast or bold with insulin or I guess maybe I should know what it's called. But there's links in the show notes. You'll find it hi, hi. Christiana. How are you? Good. Good. It's so nice to talk to you today. It's Oh, of course. It's is Is it very early in the morning where you are?

Kristyana 1:04:13
No, only 6am Oh,

Scott Benner 1:04:15
Christiana. That is very very, very early to me. It's nine o'clock where I am. Where do you live? Kamloops BC? Oh, in British Columbia. Yeah. Oh, no kidding. Where you were born there?

Kristyana 1:04:30
No. And yeah, in Vancouver. You were

Scott Benner 1:04:32
born in Vancouver. Okay. But your parents? Are they not from Canada?

Kristyana 1:04:37
No, my mom is but my dad is from Germany. Oh,

Scott Benner 1:04:41
okay. Oh, that makes sense. Okay, so I'm going to ask you some questions. Okay. And then you tell me your answers. I'll ask you more questions. If I ask you something you don't want to answer you can say I don't want to answer that. If I asked you something that you don't know the answer to. You can tell me that that as well. But I'm just going to try to find out who you are and a little bit about your story. Okay? Okay. Okay. So whenever you're ready, introduce yourself, just tell people your name and a little tiny bit about yourself. Okay. Okay, I promise your story. So, in this episode, you heard me ask Christiana, if there could be somebody on the other side of a door that she couldn't see. She kind of a thought exercise, right. But I was thinking on my feet there because I used to do that in my real life. But the way I was the way I would say it, obviously, she was nine. So I didn't do this. But when people would tell me you know, that they know for sure something, I would say, let me ask you a question. Do you think it's possible that on the other side of that door, there is a clown with a knife, getting ready to burst in here and kill us all. And I want the credit for not saying that to a nine year old, okay, I was able to tailor it down for the age. Anyway, after I recorded this, I ran downstairs and I said to my wife, I was like, I made a nine year old wonder if cars existed in America. So proud. Anyway, I was so delighted with myself and with this conversation, and I just wanted you to all know that what popped into my head to say about you know, a clown on the other side of the door I cleaned up. So for those of you who think I'm not responsible or don't like the way I talk or whatever, you know, you I'm trying really hard over here.

#1064 Parenting: Self-Care and Personal Growth for Parents

Scott and Erika talk about self-care and personal growth for parents.

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Scott Benner 0:00
Hello friends, and welcome to episode 1064 of the Juicebox Podcast

Hello, everyone, welcome back. This is another installment of the parenting series that still doesn't seem to have a name we just call it parenting. I guess that's the name really. Today's episode is called self care and personal growth for parents. It's with Erica Forsythe, who of course, is a she's a lifelong type one almost 35 plus years, she's a therapist, and you can visit her at Erica forsythe.com. While you're listening, please remember that nothing you hear on the Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice medical or otherwise, always consult a physician before making any changes to your healthcare plan or becoming bold with insulin. Check out cozy earth.com and then use the offer code juice box at checkout to save 40% Check out the private Facebook group Juicebox Podcast type one diabetes and then become a member. That's pretty much what I got for you today. You don't know forget that you want an AMI pod you want to Dexcom you want check out us med about G vo Capo pen use the links there in the show notes of this audio player. And they also exist at juicebox podcast.com. When you support the podcast using those links, you help to keep the show free and plentiful. This episode of The Juicebox Podcast is sponsored by us med now us med is where Arden gets her Dexcom and Omni pod supplies from but they have much more than that. Us med.com/juice box head over there now and get your free benefits check. Or you can call 888721151 for us med has everything you're looking for, and so much more. Hey, Erica, how are you? Hi,

Erika Forsyth, MFT, LMFT 2:00
well, thanks. How are you?

Scott Benner 2:02
I'm good. We are doing Episode Three today of the parenting series. Today's task for us is going to be talking about self care and personal growth for the parents. Yes, I have to admit, if I put this list together on my own, I wouldn't have put this in here. So I'm very interested in why you put it in.

Erika Forsyth, MFT, LMFT 2:21
I think it's important as we've reviewed so far, you know, the different parenting styles. And then in our most recent episode, we discussed communication, positive communication, and the effectiveness of you know, conflict resolution, I think it's good to kind of pause and we can really get down on ourselves as parents. And I think it's important to take a pause on the education and information and say, we also need to take care of ourselves in this process, as we are thinking about, Gosh, I really want to grow this area as a parent or gosh, I could really improve in how I communicate with my partner or my child, we also need to look at ourselves and say, gosh, we need to take breaks, we need to implement either small or large ways to practice the self care.

Scott Benner 3:11
Okay. This is with a diabetes diagnosis in your life and without both right?

Erika Forsyth, MFT, LMFT 3:18
Yes, yes. Abs? Oh, absolutely. But it

Scott Benner 3:21
does become more in your face. I think once there's diabetes, I would actually think whether you're a parent of a child with type one, or if you had diabetes yourself, I think it kind of ramps up at that point. And, and someone shared a personal anecdote with me recently, that I'm gonna I think I'm gonna bring up in this episode. But the first thing I think is for me, you know, I had a baby when, I mean, I wasn't really super young, but I wasn't probably as old as I wish I was When Kelly had call. And then Arden came, you know, a handful years later. What I can say is that when you're young, and you'd have that you still have that, like I can do anything feeling and you're never tired, right? And doesn't matter what you eat, it doesn't seem like and you know, your body just chugs along, and then you get thrown into that kid thing. You attack that. I mean, I attacked it with the same kind of like, perspective of like, oh, we can do anything and bah bah, bah, but it kicks your ass pretty quick. You know, and the first thing that gets you I mean, what are your remembrances of having small children? It's, you know, what's the first thing that like kind of took you from your baseline just down a little bit and you didn't rebound again?

Erika Forsyth, MFT, LMFT 4:36
Oh, lack of sleep. Yeah, for sure. So I

Scott Benner 4:39
was gonna say too, and the thing people tell you while you're pregnant, get your sleep now. Yes. Yeah, that's like a little falsehood because Pete I think people think you can bank sleep a little bit. Yeah. Like, I'll sleep for a year and I'll be good for three years and, boy, it doesn't work like that. It takes a couple of nights. have broken sleep, and you just your eyes get crossed, you know? And then you're off to the races right? Then you're, then you're not judging things, and making decisions as your best self anymore. And you don't know it after a while that I think that's kind of the scary part, honestly.

Erika Forsyth, MFT, LMFT 5:19
Absolutely lack of sleep, you then you think you have adjusted, and that becomes your new normal, and then adding in, if you have a young child, infant, toddler young child with who was diagnosed with diabetes, then that obviously compounds it. But I think we do we kind of trick ourselves thinking, Okay, I'm just I'm going to be tired, I'm gonna function this way. And you do adjust and adapt. But then you it's like, you know, when you were sick, you have a cold for so long, and then all of a sudden, you don't have the cold. You're like, oh, my gosh, I forgot what it was like to not be sick. Yeah, I think the minute you start to recoup some of that sleep, you start to realize, wow, I've been really irritable and not being able to make decisions correctly or speaking. The way I want to, I

Scott Benner 6:06
sometimes think that when people think they've adjusted, what they've really done is lowered their bar. Right? Because anything that doesn't end with you falling over dead, you think you've adjusted, like, I can do it. You ever hear people say, I only need three hours of sleep a night? And I'm like, that's not right at all.

Erika Forsyth, MFT, LMFT 6:24
I mean, maybe some people do. But I certainly need more than that. Yes.

Scott Benner 6:28
I think fairly, like, you know, believable science tells you you need I think at least six, right? Like some people are better. And some people work better 678 Some people like, but when you start telling yourself, I'm the one who doesn't need to sleep. You are. I mean, I did it. I'm speaking from personal experience, you know, the diabetes, especially in the beginning, without the monitoring that exists now, you know, you're up at all hours of the night. And you know, I mean, if you have a CGM now, and you can think of what that feels like, when it's just warming up, and you're like, I don't know what's happening. That was 24/7. You know, you grew up like this and live like this for decades. But that's 24/7 As a parent, where you're laying in bed thinking, I wonder what her blood sugar is now. And then you go check, and then you go lay back down, and then you realize, I wonder what it is now? And what is it in 10 minutes? And is it rising or falling, and then you try to sleep and that's, that's a tough, tough thing to do. So you don't you don't sleep to situations you hear people say all the time, like I made their blood sugar high, so they could sleep and blah, blah, blah, like you get into those situations where you catch a couple of hours, obeying, you never really hit that deep, that deep sleep, and I just for me, I think it alters who you are. I just I really do. So. So then the problem is, how do you fix that?

Erika Forsyth, MFT, LMFT 7:51
Yeah, so I think just, before we move into that, I think the difference with as we were talking, remembering, you know, being a parent to an infant or a newborn is, you also can tell yourself, okay, this is temporary, you know, at some point, your child is going to start sleeping through the night. And then obviously, the difference with a parent with type one, treating your child with type one is, you know, they're never really going to feel like it's never going to end. And in that space is where the self care needs to kick in. Yeah,

Scott Benner 8:23
and for good reasons, too. Because if you keep spiraling, if the baby, the quote, unquote, baby is now the diabetes, and the feeling is the baby's never gonna grow up. So it's always gonna be an infant, it's always going to need me in the middle of the night, weird times, if that's your expectation, and it keeps creating bigger and bigger deficits for you. And I mean, like physical and mental deficits for you, then you are in the worst position possible to figure out diabetes so that the baby can grow up and it can get more manageable for you. That's Yes, you don't I mean, like, that's the spot where you have to, it's where you have to at some point, say, I have to give a little bit of now away for later. Does that make sense? Like, like, we're either going to stay in this hell forever, or I'm going to find a way to get some sleep, find some clarity, figure this out, so that this isn't always happening. Yeah, I think that's it. But how do you make that leap when it feels like closing your eyes? is ignoring something that's potentially dangerous?

Erika Forsyth, MFT, LMFT 9:26
I think we could answer that two different ways. The first acknowledging that is, is what is keeping you up. Let's let's make the assumption that your child's management is in range and things feel in control. What is keeping up as the anxiety or the you know, as we talked about in the last episode, you like that mental load if you're thinking about all your tasks that you did or did not complete that day and what you need to do the next day and then you're wondering if your child's safe. If that is piece is what's keeping you up? Then I would, you know, encourage you to look at okay, is it? Do you need to find support? Do you find need to find a mental health support? Do you need to find support groups? Are there other outlets that you can tap into to help kind of alleviate some of that burden that you're carrying? And maybe the first step is saying to yourself, I'm never going to finish the task list. I'm never going to check it all off. Maybe it's reaching out to your peers, to your community, to your family members. I think that we could go into that path. And then the other path is, well, is it because you aren't you haven't found the right way to manage your child's diabetes? And it does feel, you know, uncontrollable, scary, confusing the way it does for a lot of us for the first weeks, months, years. Yeah.

Scott Benner 10:52
Well, I know for sure, the wrong thing to do is to yell at each other. Yeah. But when you get that, that anxiety bubbles up inside, and diabetes can hear you so you can't yell at it. You pretty much can't yell at your kids. But but you know, I have to say though, I um, I did a talk this weekend with a roomful of children, like from like, they were like five years old to I think like 13, or 14, it was really great. And some of them, some of their parents stayed and some of their parents didn't. And I made this announcement, the beginning. I'm like, Listen, this is not really meant for you guys to be here. We want the kids to speak freely. So you know, get out. And but some people stayed, which was fine. But some of the kids still had the nerve to speak up in front of their parents. And that was interesting. Because I asked them, hey, what do your parents do that you wish they didn't do? And one girl said, they yell at me about my diabetes. And like, her mom was sitting right next to her. And I was like, this kid needs help that badly, that she was willing to say that out loud with her mom and her mom, like, I felt bad for you. Because then she spoke up and said, You know, I, you know, I don't mean to do that. And, you know, I was like, Oh, this is good. But so they they were talking and and that was it. Kids said either I get yelled at for it. Or it sometimes makes they make it feel like it's my fault. And those are? Those are tough, right? Because I figure the yelling is just the the anxiety, the adrenaline from all this just boiling over?

Erika Forsyth, MFT, LMFT 12:28
And maybe fear. Yeah, yeah, for sure.

Scott Benner 12:31
And then the even the blaming thing is, I think I get that I think it's like, you know, I've done everything I know how to do and it still went wrong. So it wasn't my fault. Like, it's almost that pressure of like, I don't want to be the one to cause your health issue. And there's no one else to blame. So to alleviate your own burden, you push it to somebody else, you know, meanwhile, it's it's diabetes fault. You know, it's not, it's no, it's no one's fault. Really. It's difficult. But anyway, the parents like, talked about it. And it was, it seemed good for them. You know, it was it was nice. And I think about that now, while you're talking because this is what's going to happen. I mean, I lived through it. There was I can remember very clearly, this moment, it's in the middle of the night. And Arden hadn't had diabetes for long, she was like really little still. And I can picture us in our old kitchen with her sitting on the counter. We've tested her blood sugar, it's low. And my wife thinks that one food product is the way to bring your blood sugar up, and I think it's another one. And we get embroiled standing on a freezing kitchen floor in our underwear at three o'clock in the morning, yelling at each other about which one of these things is going to save our life. And we're reasonably intelligent people. And that was a moment I look back on and I think, oh my god, like what was wrong with us? Like, who cares? They just give her something. And but it was that it's that feeling inside? Like I've had the answer, like the US may question what's gonna save Arden and an answer popped into my head. Same thing happened to Callie. And now we think we're saving her life. And anyone who disagrees with us is disagreeing with saving Arden is how it felt. And then we argued with each other in front of our kid who had a low blood sugar. And the floor was cold. I remember the floor being really cold. Yes, so well

Erika Forsyth, MFT, LMFT 14:31
and layering on, you know, all of the just exhaustion you're carrying. It's the middle of the night you guys are fatigued, you probably you know you're under stress. And now and now we're going to try and have a reasonable conversation when Arden just needs you know, needs something

Scott Benner 14:47
while there's a ticking time bomb next to you. Yeah, that's how it feels. Yeah, it's going tick, tick, tick, tick, tick. What's that I'm gonna blow up. I'm gonna blow up do the right thing. Cut the right wire is kind of how it feels, you know? And I don't know how much good parenting, I would have had to go through what my wife would have had to go through or how much counseling we would have needed for that not to happen that night. I have no idea like, didn't you mean? Or if it was fader complete if it was always gonna go down like that?

Erika Forsyth, MFT, LMFT 15:13
I have no right. i Well, I think part of it is being able to maybe say not in the moment, but to say later, like, you know what, this probably is very normal. This is a very normal experience for parents. Particularly how old man that was. You guys were new newly into it.

Scott Benner 15:29
I mean, Arden was like, still two years old. Okay. And that makes me nine to 17 years younger than this. I think, is that how math works? I mean, I was like, I was almost 20. I was probably like, in my early 30s.

Erika Forsyth, MFT, LMFT 15:46
Okay, and she was just a couple months into it. Yeah. Is there a diagnosis? We didn't

Scott Benner 15:52
know what the hell we were doing? Yeah. Yeah. They oh, by the way, it's like, hey, like, your blood sugar is low. And then nobody panics anymore. We're just like, we're just, like, take care of it. But that's experience right over and over.

Erika Forsyth, MFT, LMFT 16:05
Really? I think the piece of you know, the parenting, as I talked about a lot with parents who are whom I work with is diabetes can bring to the surface, all those issues that maybe we thought You thought there had been, you know, you had addressed or communication styles that it just brings it all to the surface. And that's okay, there's is not there's not shame, and that that's just how chronic illness in a family can affect you. And so just even acknowledging with your partner, wow, we are this is really hard. And and yes, we, we can understand why we're disagreeing, and we're arguing, and how can we like to kind of like normalizing it for yourselves. I think it's part of the process and not, you know, we're not arguing because you're arguing, to say, well, we're arguing because this is really stressful, and we're really tired, we're really stressed. And a lot of people are probably doing this as well, in our same shoes.

Scott Benner 17:05
There are times when I think of the rate of divorce, for example. And I think that it's sort of random, like unless there's something like really crazy going on, you know, if people are being abusive to each other or something like that, like taking that stuff aside, just taking two regular people who are together. I think that everybody who has diabetes has diabetes supplies, but not everybody gets them from us med the way we do us med.com forward slash juicebox, or call 888721151 for us med is the number one distributor for FreeStyle Libre systems nationwide. They are the number one specialty distributor for Omni pod dash, the number one fastest growing tandem distributor nationwide. And they always provide 90 days worth of supplies, and fast and free shipping. That's right us med carries everything from insulin pumps to diabetes testing supplies, right up to your latest CGM, like the FreeStyle Libre two, n three, and the Dexcom, G six and seven. They even have Omni pod dash and Omni pod five, they have an A plus rating with the Better Business Bureau and you can reach them at 888-721-1514. Or by going to my link us med.com forward slash juicebox. When you contact them, you get your free benefits check. And then if they take your insurance, you're often going and US med takes over 800 private insurers and Medicare nationwide. better service and better care is what US med wants to provide for you. Us med.com forward slash juicebox get your diabetes supplies the same way Arden does from us med links in the show notes links at juicebox podcast.com. To us Med and all the sponsors, when you use my links, you're supporting the show. Most of us are not brought up in a way where we have good conflict resolution. I don't know that we're good at those things, generally as people, so sometimes I just think it's like a roll of the dice. Like how many bad situations you get in? And is there enough time in between them for a cleansing of your palate? And are people whose relationships fail just in more of a rapid fire problem than other people? Like is it kind of that random? Like, have you ever had that feeling? Like if you've ever been in a disagreement with your spouse and thought if only that wouldn't have come on television just now or we could handle this next week, but not today? We just had that thing three days ago like you don't do you know what I mean?

Erika Forsyth, MFT, LMFT 19:48
Yes, yeah. Yes, there's a some moment or one look or one phrase that you hear or someone else says can just trigger you both just enough to get you into that space and you're like wow, What if I had just driven home five minutes later, you know,

Scott Benner 20:03
Oh, no 100% You're just and then that feeling of, if only this would have happened two weeks from now even. And we were in a calmer place like this would have been okay. But then what happens when it's diabetes, and it's a low blood sugar at two o'clock in the morning, followed by a high blood sugar at 7am, followed by a spouse who doesn't want to Bolus and one does want to Bolus and like, and these things keep happening every three hours. And then you hear people get divorced. And you think well, yeah, that makes sense. They're in constant conflict. Right. I don't know that. That means that you're bad at conflict resolution. I think it kind of could mean that it's difficult to I don't it's just difficult to be be shot at constantly like that, you know?

Erika Forsyth, MFT, LMFT 20:43
Yes, John Gottman, who has done a lot of research in relationships, he's a psychologist, I'm trying to try and pull up the stat really quickly. He has, he says that we need, like 90 positive interactions for every negative. And that could mean a look, a gesture, a positive, you know, sentence. That's huge. But I know that's not the right number, but it's the amount it's a massive amount for every negative because we know we're gonna have these negative interactions with our partners, right? So I will.

Scott Benner 21:21
So you're saying that, you know, my bedroom, and I see my wife shoes all over the place. And I think, why does the person need that many shoes? And why don't they put them away? I now have to have 90 Good interactions with my wife to make that feeling go away?

Speaker 2 21:35
Yes. Something suddenly around that number.

Scott Benner 21:39
And when she looks over me and things, like I ruined my life by marrying me now 90 Good things have to happen to me. Yes, yes.

Erika Forsyth, MFT, LMFT 21:50
Maybe next time I'll have the right number, the ratio, but it is I mean, it is it's it's pretty significant. He can predict with all of his research, he's done amazing things in the in the research of relationships and marriages. You know, there's like, predictive factors leading to divorce. But one of the things that is preventative factor is this ratio of positive to negative interaction. I

Scott Benner 22:14
love that you said that it made me feel like I noticed something that was true. I was like, Cool. Maybe I'm right. Again, I'll share this one. I think this is a tried and true marriage. Valuable marriage technique. Look for someone you can both be mad at at the same time. I love being on the same side of an argument with my wife. There's nothing better than when she says something. And I'm like, oh, that does make me upset too. I immediately get next to her. And I'm like, you and I were in this together. I hate that person to. And then I honestly think I know that sounds. Maybe it sounds ridiculous. I honestly think that it helps every once in a while just to be kind of simpatico on something. You know what I mean? Like something that's in arguable, like we're right. By the way, I don't know if we're really right. Doesn't really matter. Right. But we're right. Those people are clearly wrong. This thing is definitely wrong. Whatever. We agree we're on the same team. I think it's like a it's almost like team building a little bit.

Erika Forsyth, MFT, LMFT 23:10
Yes. Well, it's absolutely because you think about you feel bonded next year teammates when you're competing against someone on the other team, right? And the goal is to win. So it's a similar experience, the emotions that you experience in that that connectivity, okay, my wife's got my back in this, she's got mine. We both feel the same way on this topic, right?

Scott Benner 23:32
I go so far down this road, because I think that in the moment when these things are happening, first of all, you do not plan for your kid to have diabetes. So this stuff is going to come at you a million miles an hour, if it happened to you the way it happened to us, our life was going along pretty well. Like we were savers, and planners a little bit, we were moving in a direction on purpose. You know, like, and we were growing our family, and we were growing our you know, our home, and we were doing the things that you know, you know, you're supposed to do in that Norman Rockwell painting. So we were on the way to those things, then all of a sudden, somebody's like, hey, that kid's pancreas doesn't work anymore. And this is insulin. And if you use too much, you'll kill her. And if you don't use enough, you're gonna kill her later. And we were like, Oh, great. I was just cutting the lawn last weekend. You know what I mean? Like I didn't I didn't know about all this. You don't have time to say, Oh, I hope my blah, blah, blah skills are intact, because I bet you are going to be yelling at each other six months from now in the kitchen. And it just it hits you so quickly. It hits you quickly and slowly at the same time. I don't know if that makes sense or not. But it's like a drip, drip drip, almost like a torture. And at the same time it pulls you over so you get knocked back. And then every time you try to stand back up again. It just feels like that slow drip is pushing you back down. And like you said earlier, after a while you don't notice it happening. And that's really when you get to it. So what Help they get a safe word. That's the wrong for racing. But but you know, like, maybe somebody should maybe you should get together with your spouse and say, hey, if something goes off the rails, we need to be able to say something that the other we both agree we'll just stop. Does that work? Yes.

Erika Forsyth, MFT, LMFT 25:14
Yes, I think it will works. I know, it works really well with parent and child like if they if you both find yourselves, you know, looping through the same argument to have that, that safe word or kind of a cue word, then that you're telling your brain and your child or your partner's brain? Oh, yeah, we're doing that thing again. Let's say the word and sometimes it can make you laugh. It could be silly, like, you know, Snoopy, um, I don't know, like something that just interrupts that pattern for you to step away. And then you guys can then you can regroup. I think, yeah, when you're finding yourselves in that pattern, because you're exhausted and you're stressed and exhausted, doesn't even describe it right? That the fatigue level is so significant, it's hard to even notice when you're in it. Yeah, when you are looping through, I think that the safe word and then know what you're going to do next is also really helpful to step away to take your deep breaths, to say, hey, let's regroup in 30 minutes or tomorrow. And sometimes you don't even need to necessarily reconnect, you both are just acknowledging, oh, yeah, we're doing this thing again. Because while what we're doing is really hard, and I think the first, the first step, even in self care, besides all the things that, you know, we've always we talked about, is really just the self compassion piece of, okay, how can you be compassionate towards yourself, doing something that is so challenging day in day out, and then offering that compassion to your partner as well. But that said, I just I like that, you know, self care is self compassion when there's so much pressure that you place on yourself as a parent to a type one child, that is just it's hard to bear.

Scott Benner 27:05
Yeah, and I guess, so you can you can seek this kind of care or do things for yourself? I mean, in your private time, like, is it a thing you should do on your own? Do you mean, like, do I? Do I do it at work? Do I do it in the car? Do I do it while the kids are snapping? You know, like, where do you? Like, if you figure out something that would help you? I don't know, I don't even know what that thing would be like a thing that would alleviate your stress or anxiety for a little bit? I mean, how do you implement it into a day that already seems very full to begin with? You know, what I mean? And how do you know yourself well enough to decide what that thing should be?

Erika Forsyth, MFT, LMFT 27:46
Those are great questions. Yeah. If you find that you are constantly feeling like, you know, the, the mantra of, I'm never, not a good enough parent, I'm not a good enough. spouse, I'm not a good enough employee. I'm not a good enough homemaker or I'm not, you know, all anything you can fill in the blank. If you if you resonate with that, that is an indicator for you to say, Gosh, I'm being really hard on myself. There's something in your self talk and narrative that you are trying to perform, and perfect, and produce something that is unattainable. Because as we know, perfect management is unattainable. And being perfect, in general is debatable. But if you're living under that pressure, and feeling like gosh, I could never I'm never gonna get my list done. I'm never going to, you know, do all the things I want to do, then you're just that's that credit, that self criticism is hard to carry, that also creates emotional fatigue and physical fatigue and stress. So understanding and clueing and kind of checking in with yourself, how do you how do you talk to yourself? In those moments, when you're driving to work when you're, you know, doing the dishes when you're typing at work? What is that voice that you hear? Yeah. And then the next step is to try and integrate some of that self compassion, like, you know what I'm doing the best I can. I'm, I'm working really hard. And if that feels like that step is can be hard to do independently. And so maybe that is when therapy can be helpful or support groups, or share kind of unloading some of the burden if you can, to your your partner or to your family.

Scott Benner 29:32
You just let somebody else tell you hey, I've been through that. It's, you know, it gets better or don't be so hard on yourself that kind of stuff.

Erika Forsyth, MFT, LMFT 29:40
Yes, I mean, normalizing your experience. I think it can be helpful for someone to say don't be so hard on yourself, but sometimes you can even receive that as

Scott Benner 29:50
Oh, look, you're doing this wrong. Yeah, yeah. It's

Erika Forsyth, MFT, LMFT 29:53
further of God kind of further. Shame way to go.

Scott Benner 29:55
You can't handle that kids blood sugar, and you don't even know how to talk to yourself like you feel like Don't cry. Yeah, that's wonderful.

Erika Forsyth, MFT, LMFT 30:01
But I think people mean, well, when they're trying to say like, like, You're doing a great job, you're doing the best you can don't be so hard on yourself. That's all that's helpful and someone's trying to cheer you on. So if you're saying those things, I'm not saying that's, that's sure, bad. But to receive that can be challenging. If you haven't learned how to say, You know what, I am doing the best I can, and I am doing a good enough job. And maybe it's simply starting off with I am good enough period, to

Scott Benner 30:30
loop back to the first episode about the different parenting styles, which parenting style would have prepared me better for my daughter having diabetes.

Erika Forsyth, MFT, LMFT 30:42
But like as you as a child having parents, are you

Scott Benner 30:46
what, what could my parents have done? That would have made me a more reasonable human being? And so when this thing happened to me, maybe I would have said, I guess it doesn't matter if she drinks the milk or the juice,

Erika Forsyth, MFT, LMFT 30:58
probably the authoritative, right? Where you are giving space to the child, there's, there's these boundaries, there's expectations, there's rules and consequences. There's also space for mistakes. Okay? And, and letting the child learn from some of those mistakes, that you're not going to be perfect. And that you can you know that within that you're not letting them make mistakes, you're not being permissive, but you're also allowing them to learn from like, you're not going to be perfect. It's,

Scott Benner 31:35
it's interesting, isn't it? That the way my parents parented me, for example, I don't think by any stretch of imagination would have been something somebody would have told you to do in a parenting manual. And yet, the mix of who I am and the experiences I was went through, led me to be a person who's a reasonably good parent, but not until I met my wife who fine tuned the whole thing at the end, right? Like she she took, like, she took what they put out in the world, me. And she was like, that's close, but not quite right. And then you know, and then she was like, here's like this, this Don't yell, stuff like that. And now I'm a I'm a, I'm a very good parent now, like, I just I am, I'm 52. I mean, I couldn't actually raise a baby anymore. But if you gave me one, I think it would turn out really great. So if I could stay alive long enough to handle but I'm. So there's this weirdness, because there's something about the mess that my life was, it turned me into this. And at the same time, I sit here and I say, Well, if people would have just done a better job, maybe I would have gotten to it sooner. But then also, there's part of me that thinks that maybe I never would have gotten to it. Like maybe that tornado is part of how I ended up where I am. And are we really trying to be perfect? Or fit a mold? Or are we just maybe we should just be looking at some simple truth. Like we shouldn't be yelling at each other. Don't blame people for things don't pressure people. You don't need to be perfect, like, just like those Simplicity's, I think, are what lead to a reasonable human being coming out of your house as an adult. But I could be completely wrong. And if my kids end up shooting somebody in the street, you guys will be like that guy was definitely wrong. But right now, right now, they Eric is like, Don't use such rough examples. Let's just say it, they're found selling heroin. How's that? Oh, my gosh. So what else we made? Nevermind. My kids are on a good path so far. I'm comfortable with where they are. And I think if I were to like disappear today, they'd be all right. Like, it's sort of like the best thing. I mean, that was my hope, right, that they'd be able to take care of themselves reasonably. But I don't think it's because I followed an exact parenting style. I think it's because I honestly, I think it's because we follow common sense. But I don't know how to teach that to people either. You know,

Erika Forsyth, MFT, LMFT 34:01
what common sense and also a sense of safety, security, that they are loved. You want your child to know that they are loved, for who they are not for what they do. And that sense of secure attachment where you probably really, I imagined focused in on because then you didn't necessarily have that growing up. And so you, you did evolve because of your childhood and who you want it to become as apparent ends up

Scott Benner 34:31
being a blend to like one of the best ways I can explain this is that if I talked to Arden before a softball game, I would say I tell her I loved her. I would tell her doesn't matter if you get hit today, you know, just do your best all that stuff. And then I'd leave her with get out there and make those girls cry. Because Because if they're not crying when this is over, we have not beat them sufficiently. Now, did I really want them crying? No, she knew I didn't really mean that like that. But there was this like, there was this In this place of comfort and safety, you're okay, I love you, no matter what happens, none of this matters. It's a softball game, blah, blah, blah. But if we're gonna get involved in it, go out there. And do your best. Yeah, like, really try it. Like, don't just show up here for fun. Like, let's try to kick their ass if we can. And even with that, you know, I say all the time. Using sports again, as an example. They say that the they say the statistics say that the year my son started playing little league when he was four or five years old, that 4 million other American boys started playing Little League baseball that year. Wow. And that when those boys went to college, a slightly over 9000 of them went to play college baseball. Of those 4 million kids. Wow. That's the 123 and JUCO. That's four levels of college baseball. And I watched those other guys whose kids did not make it to college to play baseball. I watched how they talk to their kids. And it was, go get it, kill it. You can't fail, blah, blah, blah, I would tell my son over and over again, this is just practice, like everything is practice. Why do we play baseball, so you can play more baseball, you want to get you want to get better, so that somebody still wants you on their team next year. Like that's what you're doing. None of this matters. It's all meaningless. And I never told my son, I never told my son that baseball mattered. Until the first time he showed up at a college recruiting thing. And I just told him in the car, I said, It all matters now, like, if you want to keep playing baseball, you actually have to go do the thing right now. And he went and did it. And then he went to college and play baseball. But it was I'll tell you right now, if you go back 15 years before that, and get all those dads together. And I would have said that's how I'm gonna parent this, it would have laughed me right out of that room. The only one that went to play college baseball in this town, in his age group. So I don't know. He also was talented and athletic. And like, don't get me wrong. I didn't just like, he was like this little chubby kid. It wasn't all you you could do it, buddy. But yeah, it wasn't. Because I know plenty of kids who love baseball, that they can't hold the bat. Right. But that's not that's You can't talk them into getting there. But I do think that as an, as he's become an adult, I see that in him still. Like that he knows that the thing I'm doing is the thing I'm doing. It's not. It's not the end all be all, like this doesn't have to go perfectly? And I don't know, to me, like, those are the little things as your parenting. Those are the important ideas to pull out and to use repetition for. And I think you can also offer that back to yourself as a parent. Yes. Right. Which is that, you know, whether or not my kid comes home today with an A on a test, or, you know, got in trouble for cursing and social studies. Like this is not, this wasn't the goal. You don't I mean, like you're not trying to be the prettiest girl on eighth grade is kind of what I'm thinking like, there's you should have a long term view of what you're trying to accomplish and and see that the small moments while important, none of them rise to the occasion of needing to be judged over. I guess. And I think that about diabetes to you're still alive, you're doing great. You know, there's always time to learn and grow and get better. So you can play again tomorrow. I guess that's what I think that's what I'm saying.

Erika Forsyth, MFT, LMFT 38:30
And but you're in a position now to be able to look back and reflect. And I think and then when you're in it you I imagine you also had those moments of like, oh my gosh, this feels really confusing or scary. And I'm very stressed out that anxiety

Scott Benner 38:48
like, Should we be one of the people who throws a picnic after a game so everybody likes him? Well, that makes sure he plays like that crap that you're all worried about right now. So unimportant. And but I get it like it popped up in my wife hit me one time, she's like, You should coach a team. That's the only way he's gonna get a fair shake. And she, by the way, in the moment, she wasn't wrong. But I said, I don't think that's good for him. So let those other three guys go out there and create horrible relationships with their sons to win a baseball game and a field in the middle of nowhere that nobody cares about. Like, I'm not I'm not trading our relationship for that. You know, but yeah, the the hindsight is helpful, because the pressure is immense while you're in it. And I do think that that does apply to a blood sugar. One ad, oh my god, I messed it up. This is the end. We're never going to get this. This is a failure. Like, I know how that feels. But that's not true. You know, that's not true at all, aren't they? Once he is he's terrific. Right now she's off to college again. I'd have to look it up but I think it's somewhere near like six to right now that Her managing on her own with an algorithm but her managing on her own. And, you know, her variability was terrific. Last week I looked at I think it was like 28 or so like her standard deviation was like 20. Last week, I was like, that's amazing. She still had, I would say, four or five blood sugars in the last week and a half that went up to 200. and stayed there for a while. And it was a mistake, it was a bad site. It was one time was a bad site, that she should have changed. And I chose not to tell her that, because I think she knows, and it wouldn't be worse for our relationship. If I, if I said that in that moment. Right? If she was eight, and we were at home, I would have been like you're taking this pump off. And all we're doing right, right, right. But this is a different situation. One time, she just missed on some food. But she's like cooking for herself now. And like, You got to kind of see the bigger picture. Like she had an apartment, she's making her own meals, she forgot the Pre-Bolus. But she also made a meal for herself. And I was like, Good, well, then we're not gonna say anything about this. Now, if it stays high for a little while, I'll send a text and I'll say, hey, you know what? I think you got to look, this is the algorithm asking for insulin that you're not like, like you should give it if it's asking. And she doesn't even answer me anymore. I just it happens, your blood sugar comes down. And even that, like, I'm not looking to be right. Like, you know what I mean? Like, I don't have a need to be like, See, I told you so. I just wanted to like, I think one day she'll just start doing it on our own. And, and again, you know,

Erika Forsyth, MFT, LMFT 41:35
and she is right, she's doing it on our own. Yeah,

Scott Benner 41:38
she's doing terrific. But again, if you if you stop in any one of those scenarios, and start judging every step as this is completely dire, then you're gonna go crazy, they're gonna go crazy, you're gonna have a bad relationship, blood sugars are not going to be good. It's not going to lead to some sort of like, oh, he was right, I'll take care of it. And in the meantime, you're all beat up. And I mean, all of you, you're all beat up by it. So there's some reason something in that I'm not great at like, I'm not very good at tying this together for some reason today. But something in that is why you have to take care of yourself, and not put yourself in a position where you're ranting or raving or seeing things as dire when they're not. Because it snowballs and then you're flying down the hill, and you can't stop anymore. So is that right? Yes,

Erika Forsyth, MFT, LMFT 42:29
yes, because in the moment, as you're caregiving for your five year old or 10 year old or 15 year old, you're also doing all the other things to function as an adult. And then you have this other significant load of stress as you're managing, watching watching the the numbers on the Dexcom, the CGM, or, you know, however you're managing, and then you can get so as you're, I think you're as you're articulating, like, you just get so caught up in each moment to moment to moment, and having that automatic thought response of, are we are, am I failing is my child feeling? This is overwhelming. And oftentimes, I will meet with caregivers who are wanting support for their children. And then soon enough, they realize, gosh, I've, I just need this space, I need the support. And even so even as a caregiver, when you're looking for help for your child or your other family members, you're still thinking about the other person. Yeah. But eventually you then come you realize, gosh, you know what, this is too much. It's too much to carry by yourself. And even simply by taking that time out of your day, and I'm not just talking about for therapy, but for anything. Yeah.

Scott Benner 43:47
I just interviewed a woman recently, who has type one or kids has kid has type one. And they're both on the same algorithm. And she said something about the podcast made her think, oh, I should go back and look at settings. We could probably tighten this up a little bit. Things have gotten away from us over time. So she goes looks at the kid settings, adjust them all. brings blood sugars back where she wants, and then never does it. First off. I said why not? Just I don't know. I said it would have been five more minutes. You were there you already doing it? Like why not just do it for yourself to just like, I don't know why I didn't do it for myself. So I mean, that's always going to be USC parents do that all the time. Right. Like, yeah, you know, you make a meal for someone and you don't even eat, you just have the scraps while you're cooking or something like that. Like it's okay, as long as they're okay. Like that. That kind of stuff is is always going to be but you have to you have to find a way to step back and I have a real serious question that you're initially going to think is me joking around, but I am absolutely not okay. Okay. As married people. Intimacy and sex is really important, except when all this stuff starts happening as one of the first things to go out the window. You know, It's not fun like it was when you were young anymore. Like, that just was gonna happen, by the way, whether your kid gets diabetes or not, that's going to happen one way or the other. But it's, it's not going to feel like you're in the back of a car. And we're 16. And this is crazy, you know, but, but it's still very important. Like, even just like skin on skin contact, like holding hands, or like rubbing people's backs or something, all that stuff starts to drift away when you're pissed. And we're tired, and we're tired. And I'm going to generalize here. You could make me pissed, or tired, or all the things. And then Erica asked me if I wanted to have sex. And I would 100% say yes. But it doesn't seem to work the same way for Lady sometimes. And so then that feels like rejection for the guy. And I'm sure women feel terrible, because they're not getting the things that they need to feel like they want to have sex either. I don't know how to fix this. Like, I don't know what to say to people. Obviously. It's also I mean, maybe I'm wrong. But I also think it's a little bit of nature, trying to say like, Well, you already made babies, we don't need you to keep doing this, like so maybe your desire drops to begin with, but then all this stuff happens on top of it, you can't even find the fun part of it, let alone let alone the emotional life part of it. So I don't know, like, is there? Is there a thing people should be looking at for that. And

Erika Forsyth, MFT, LMFT 46:21
I think it's interesting that we bring this up in kind of the self care topic, the physical intimacy, I think we do often think in with your partner that it has to be, it has to be sex, but it doesn't always have to be a particularly if that's gone out the window, and it's been out the window for a long time. To go back to just saying, Let's just sit on the couch and hold hands while we scroll, right? You know, or, or, you know, like, or just the skin to skin contact or Hey, will you scratch my back tonight and, and then you take turns. So starting small reintroducing that into your relationship is can be really significant and just reminding each other that a it feels good. And then also you remind yourself that you're there for each other not just, you know, emotionally but physically. And sometimes those smaller physical, intimate intimacy moments can lead to one partner feeling more connected emotionally, which then may lead to the next step physically, if that makes sense, right? Sometimes, stereotypically, women want to feel connected emotionally before having sex or being physical. Sure. But then for the opposite, as you were saying, you know, the stereotype of my

Scott Benner 47:43
mom was watching I think that's the point. Yeah.

Erika Forsyth, MFT, LMFT 47:48
So Oh, my gosh, yeah, that one made me blush. So the, then obviously, in those stereotypes of times, there is truth. But I think starting small, I think just like with anything with self care, with exercise with doing something, we think, Well, I gotta I gotta go run for an hour, even though I haven't walked for 10 minutes. And we got to start having sex again, even though we haven't held hands or kissed or hugged in weeks or months. Yeah, so just kind of going back. And like, as if you were dating, so I mean, I don't know. It's old school, like starting over slowly.

Scott Benner 48:26
Kissing is so much fun. But it does feel like a thing you do when you're younger. That wanes as you get older, which doesn't make any sense because it's free and easy. And people like it. So it's, I listen, I can give my perspective, I can say that when intimacy leaves, it feels like rejection. And when you're trying so hard in other aspects of your life, it's even harder because you're like, I'm a good person. I am a good parent. I'm here. I'm not high. I'm not drunk. I'm not gone. I'm not cheating. And I'm still not the right thing for this decision. That's hard. That's difficult. So where I get where women can feel the way they feel, like you said, generally speaking, I think I spoken to a lot of guys privately. That's how guys feel. They don't say it. And I don't think women expect that. Right. But it feels very much. Like you feel like a little kid and somebody told you they're not interested in you. Like that's, that's how it feels. So I don't think most women would look across the room with her husband and think he feels rejected. I think they might think well, he wants to get laid and I'm not up for it. Now he's pouting, but that's not how it feels. So

Erika Forsyth, MFT, LMFT 49:39
yes, yes. And how amazing. I know this would be hard. It can be challenging to then articulate that right to your partner. Oh, because

Scott Benner 49:50
what so it's good to really like to have sex, whatever,

Erika Forsyth, MFT, LMFT 49:53
whether you're the you know, whatever gender you are experiencing now Right, because then guess what, what does that do that then bridges the emotional connection and intimacy, to be able to say how you're feeling in the moment, which is hard, whatever

Scott Benner 50:09
I could, couldn't it also, if I just expressed how I feel then make my bike my partner feel like, Oh, I'm letting him down. And then that's worse. And then we spiral to like, there's, everyone's got to like, I don't know, like, I don't know, I don't know how to like, obviously, these are things that have been talked about for eons. But you know, between people, this is not like a new story. Obviously, I hear women in their 50s who are getting divorced, talked about, I can't wait to meet a man who and then they list all the things that they that their husband, they feel isn't. And you hear guys say I, you know, that are divorced, like I can't wait, I'm gonna meet a younger girl who's more interested in being intimate. Like, it's just, it's like, I mean, this is not a new story. But if you're trying to keep your life together, and you're trying to raise a child with diabetes, and all this stuff is happening, I'm just gonna come out and say, if you just bang once in a while, things will be better.

Erika Forsyth, MFT, LMFT 51:04
That's your that's your pro tip.

Scott Benner 51:06
I don't think anybody needs to be in love for 10 good minutes to make everything a little better for everybody. So as we're all trying equally, you understand I'm saying can't be selfish. I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong, but you go ahead and pull 1000 Guys, a bedsheet, I know what answers you're gonna get. You want me to smile more? I know how to make that happen. But then, but that's difficult to get such a simple thing. And it is accurate. I'm gonna just go out on a limb here and tell you it's a pretty accurate statement. I don't know that, that generally speaking, women have like a simple thing that could accurately elevate their moods so easily. Like, seriously, if my wife and I had sex now, and then she asked for an inground pool three hours from now, I guarantee I'd be like, I don't know why we shouldn't get a pool. That sounds like a terrific idea. I've been arguing against the pool for 20 years, she just didn't know how to ask for it. But it's not that I'm in charge. And she's not. But I'm not joking. Like, I swear to you a tiny bit of intimacy right now. There's literally nothing that would ruin the rest of my day. I would be if I had a car accident, and they were pulling me out and I was gonna be okay. And the guy's like, how's it gone? I had sex or today, everything's fine. We can buy a new car. Don't know, I'm trying to make a point, you guys got to take care of yourselves. I think this is a big part of it. I don't think anybody's talking about it. So, you know, your thoughts will probably be more professional.

Erika Forsyth, MFT, LMFT 52:35
No, I think but even as you're listening to this, if you're feeling like, you know, gosh, this is us. This is our, you know, our marriage, our relationship. And sometimes it feels more complicated than just let's just go have sex, and it will fix everything. Sometimes it as simple as that. And sometimes it's really complicated. So then maybe your if you even if you feel like, gosh, I don't even want to hold hands with this person. I don't want to kiss I don't want to hug then I would look at okay, is it? What are the deeper issues going on? It's been a pattern, all those things? Yeah,

Scott Benner 53:08
of course. I mean, if you're having some visceral hate of another person, I'm not saying you should just swallow that and go have sex. Like a regular, reasonably, like common situation where you're, you know, you'll love each other and you just these things have happened and you've drifted away? Like I don't, you know, I don't know like it. It's, I mean, at the very least it's free and it's worth a shot. Not like you gotta buy a pool. You know what I mean? You gotta get a fence. If you get an inground pool, you have to get a fence. You gotta get a pool ruined your yard for two years. These are the reasons I'm against it. They're very expensive. That's the other idea. Yes, anyway, I love our conversations. And yet at the end of every one of them, I'm like, I don't know if any This is fixable. So what's the so when there is no real like, light switch answer? What is the answer to waking up tomorrow? And it all just feeling like it's worthwhile and, and a good experience for you? What do you think about that? Like, what what is your mantra? What keeps you like marching forward?

Erika Forsyth, MFT, LMFT 54:15
Gosh, I think having being present in the day, you know, kind of having this having hope and trust that I am good enough. And I'm going to do the best I can today. I think yes, we have future goals. We have future worries. When we get caught up and stuck and all of that. It's hard to then come back to just being present. Right? And so trusting that you are like as a parent, I'm thinking about myself as a parent and then also as a type one. I'm gonna take it one day at a time I'm gonna do the best I can. I'm gonna ask for forgiveness but I make mistakes for my towards myself and towards others because I am going I make mistakes all the time. Yeah, I think there's this element to of you know, balancing chronic illness is it's real, it's serious diabetes is really serious. And weighing holding that, but also holding that, like, it hasn't brought me down. So I'm gonna, I'm going to take it seriously, I'm going to do the best I can. And I'm not going to live in that space. So you know, going back to that scale, right? That, yes, it's not going to stop me from everything, I'm going to do all the things I want to do, and I need to really take it seriously. And when one of those things gets off balance, then that's when emotionally you start to spiral a little bit. Yeah.

Scott Benner 55:40
So for me, I grew up like not drinking or getting high. So I don't have a I'm not like a thrill seeker to begin, I do drive a little fast for dopamine, if I'm being honest. But but, you know, what is that thing like that makes you like, say, this was a good day. And I was exhilarated enough to want to go do it again, like that kind of thing. For me, it's helping people, like, whether they're people in my life, or like, you guys, or anybody I meet along the way, I get a little charge out of people doing well. And I like facilitating that. Like, like, on some level, right? And so, but there are plenty of people whose lives don't like, lend to those things. And they are thinking of, like, I just got to get through this day and get a drink, because that's where I'm gonna get my zip from, or I'm gonna get high. And that's where I'm gonna get my my thing from, you know, I know that. I mean, listen, it's a, it's a human can. It's part of the human condition, but you need to find something that like, jolt you up a little bit. You know, what I mean? makes you happy to like to be doing what you're doing. And that can be difficult to find that thing I've shared on here before people asked me, What are you gonna do after you retire? i It's a, it's a sad question. To me. I don't I'm like, Oh, God, like, I don't know. Like, I'm pretty good at this. Can I keep doing this? You know, and they're like, Well, what about for yourself? And who? I don't know, you know, like, that's, that's the thing that I think if we could all answer that question, it would be, it would be valuable for us. And it would help your self care, and it would help your parenting and it would help diabetes, and it would help everything if you knew what it was that made you happy. Anyway, good luck figuring that?

Erika Forsyth, MFT, LMFT 57:22
Yes. Well, I think yeah, but like having that sense of purpose calling in life, right? And how is that need being met? And is it do you have a faith or spirituality that is grounding you? Do you feel like you're? Yeah, you're just grinding it out day to day. And that's totally understandable, particularly in the newer stages, right? You're just like certain survival mode, and reminding yourself that that will, that survival mode will end?

Scott Benner 57:52
So not being a particularly religious person? And by that, I mean, I'm not a religious person. Is that one of the things that people use religion for? Like, I guess so. Right. Like, I never thought about that. But it purpose? Like, like a reason why. Yes, yeah. Yes. Okay. Yes. That's interesting. I know, that seems very obvious. And now that I think about it, it is really obvious. I just never really considered that before because it's never been a part of, it's ever been a part of how I've motivated myself. I guess. It's interesting. Okay. Well, I appreciate you very much, obviously doing this and

Erika Forsyth, MFT, LMFT 58:30
I'll talk to you guys next time. Thank you. Bye.

Scott Benner 58:43
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#1063 Time is a Construct

Jonathan is 16 and has type 1 diabetes.

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Scott Benner 0:00
Hello friends, and welcome to episode 1063 of the Juicebox Podcast.

Friends I'm going to be speaking with Jonathan today 16 years old has had type one diabetes for five years. He's from a very small town and does a fantastic job on this podcast today. Jonathan's using control IQ, and his mom is a big listener of the show. While you're listening, please remember that nothing you hear on the Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice, medical or otherwise, always consult a physician before making any changes to your health care plan, or becoming bold with insulin, which I just saved 40% off of your entire order at cosy earth.com you can with the offer code juice box at checkout. You can also get five free travel packs in a year's supply of vitamin D when you make your first order at drink, ag one.com/juice box are you newly diagnosed? We're looking to start over, check out the diabetes Pro Tip series that runs between Episode 1001 1026. If you can't find them in your player, I mean you should be able to but if you can't check them out at juicebox podcast.com diabetes pro tip.com. We're in the feature tab of the private Facebook group Juicebox Podcast type one diabetes. This episode of The Juicebox Podcast is sponsored by Dexcom dexcom.com/juice. Box head over now learn about the Dexcom G seven, the G six how to get started, find out if you're eligible for a free trial, and so much more dexcom.com/juice box where the same CGM that my daughter wears were a Dexcom. My

Jonathan 1:55
name is Jonathan. I am 16 year old. And I've been living with type one diabetes for about the past five years.

Scott Benner 2:05
Five years.

Jonathan 2:08
And Lunas small town in Kentucky go to a hot public high school play on the soccer team and the tennis team. They're nice. And there's a few other kids that I know of that also have type one diabetes in the area.

Scott Benner 2:27
Are they friends or just people you're aware of?

Jonathan 2:30
Kind of both? I know a few of them pretty well. And there's others I know have you

Scott Benner 2:36
become friends with them? Because they have type one or do you know them prior to that?

Jonathan 2:39
No, I didn't know that prior. My mom tried to start like a little type one diabetes group here. And it kind of fell apart. But a few people did show up and I've become close to them. John,

Scott Benner 2:52
your mom loves you. She started a group just for you. So you wouldn't be lonely. Did it work?

Jonathan 2:58
It without doing it anymore? Because COVID happened. So that kind of set that back? But

Scott Benner 3:03
yeah, but you held on to some people from it. Yeah. It's interesting. It's excellent. Actually, like small town. Like, how many people about do you know? I

Jonathan 3:14
would say maybe probably around 10,000 ish. Not too many.

Scott Benner 3:20
Okay, Kentucky, like, closer to Ohio or Kentucky like Kentucky.

Jonathan 3:26
We're in the more southern part of Kentucky.

Scott Benner 3:29
Okay. All right. You're 11 years old when you were diagnosed? Do you have any brothers or sisters?

Jonathan 3:34
Yes, I have two brothers and one sister all younger than me.

Scott Benner 3:39
They're all younger than you are. Is there? Is there anyone else in your family even going as far out as like aunts and uncles and people like that who have type one diabetes.

Jonathan 3:48
I have a few great uncles with type one diabetes and one uncle with type one diabetes. The young man there.

Scott Benner 3:56
I'm sorry. It's your mom's side of your dad's side.

Jonathan 3:59
This is my dad's side.

Scott Benner 4:00
Okay. Do you have any other autoimmune issues?

Jonathan 4:05
Not currently.

Scott Benner 4:08
John, you've been doing it? Yeah. You've been doing your homework. You're like not? Yeah. Yeah. So how about again, in the family, celiac thyroid issues, anything like that?

Jonathan 4:17
I'm honestly not too sure. I don't think it's much more than type one diabetes.

Scott Benner 4:24
Anybody run to the bathroom after Christmas dinner? Something could be silly. I don't think so. All right, you know, nobody's ever like wow, packets up real quick after we finished this turkey in the mashed potatoes. Yeah, no, definitely. Okay. All right. And but I'm not making fun of celiac for the people listening or like it's a barista here. I know. It's serious. It's trying to get John comfortable and calm and like so we can talk Jonathan are John would you prefer? I really don't care. You can call me either one all right path and that's what we're gonna do. Let's see. 11 years old. What Have any I mean, if of any, if anything, I guess what do you remember about being diagnosed?

Jonathan 5:08
One of my teachers noticed kind of notice that I was going to the bathroom pretty often she I think she said it was about every hour or so. And she told my mom without telling my mom, if that makes any sense. And she already knew that like, of the symptoms. So she's like, Okay, well just go get him tested. So I suddenly, from my experience, I suddenly got pulled out of school, and I had no idea why. And we were going to the doctors, and we went to see a family doctor that we had no. And they gave us a meter. And they sat me down to get some labs done the primarily test my blood sugar. And then we went home. And with the meter they had given us we tested my blood sugar. And I was like, it read high. And I think with that meter is over 600 or something like that.

Scott Benner 6:00
Wow. Do you remember how you felt? Well, previously, I

Jonathan 6:04
had the flu that December, and this was around February. And so everybody had told mom was getting kind of worried. And everybody told her that it was probably just because the flu and I got hit hard. And I'll eventually regain the way. And then once the teacher had told her about those symptoms that she had seen. Mom was like, Yeah, this is definitely what it is. And so has

Scott Benner 6:28
your mom ever shared with you? Was this something she was concerned about? Always because it was in your family?

Jonathan 6:33
She did have said to me that she knew that it was always a possibility that one of her kids would get it but she never knew like when or No, no,

Scott Benner 6:45
I understand. But it does sound like it was in the back of her mind. And just because she said she made the lead sentence.

Jonathan 6:50
Yeah, in the back of her head. So she was always was kind of watching. Yeah,

Scott Benner 6:55
yeah, she made the leap very quickly, which is great. And probably why you're weren't having a ton of symptoms besides the weight loss and the and the bathroom thing. Hey, maybe that you think that teacher was a creep? She was just watching little kids go to the bathroom or? No.

Jonathan 7:09
Actually, that teacher has a son with type one diabetes. He's older. I think he's a grown adult now. Yeah, I'm just kidding, for sure. But yeah, she had she had also known about those symptoms. And that's kind of the reason she kind of brought it up. Yeah,

Scott Benner 7:29
I'd be interested to hear from a person in that perspective, because maybe she didn't want to be the one to say it directly to your mom. Like maybe it's, you know what I mean? Like maybe some people want to be connected to and people's memories. I wonder, you know what I mean? Anyway? So how do you start? Like, what's the what's the deal? You get injections? First, they give you a pens? And is it a pump? And are you in charge? Or do your parents take care of it.

Jonathan 7:56
So when I first was diagnosed, and we left the hospital, they had us on the pens. And mainly the doctors would mess with the carb ratios and stuff, we didn't change much. And then pretty soon after, maybe a month or so they got us on a CGM. It was the Dexcom G five at the time. So that helped a lot. And that like, after fingers sticking like almost eight times a day, like and then immediately getting onto the every five minutes, you're getting a new reading. That was that was pretty fun for me for the those first few, probably months or so. Yeah, that I had that new experience, you know, making life easier. Yeah.

Scott Benner 8:41
And so that kind of outweighed for you the idea that you had to wait where something? Yes, yeah. Did you have concerns about having to wear it?

Jonathan 8:51
No, not really. I've never really had very many concerns of having having to poke myself with that and leaving it on me every seven or so days was

Scott Benner 9:02
so you don't have a lot of thoughts about what do other people think about this? No? Yeah. Okay. And you play would you say two different sports? Sorry.

Jonathan 9:12
I play soccer, and tennis. Alright,

Scott Benner 9:15
I'm not gonna count soccer as a sport, but okay, you do two different activities. That's I'm just kidding. And and has it ever been a problem for you? Like, how do you find activity with diabetes? Like especially in the beginning, were you able to keep going or was there a relearning process? At

Jonathan 9:31
the time I was first diagnosed, it was like, it was just soccer for the middle school. And that wasn't the worst because I would normally once I actually started playing in starting, I would have my I was a tandem. And I would just unhook it for the games that I played. And so that didn't bug me much. But there was, I think it was last year and The year before the I was in a junior varsity match. And I was wearing the Omnipod on my arm and that got torn off. And I didn't go out the game, I just tossed it to the sideline to fix it later because I wasn't worried about it. But that's probably the most that's happened with the technology and during while playing sports and all those

Scott Benner 10:19
games, that's not bad at all. Yeah. Did you learn to like that there are better places to put them? Well, I guess my question is, which one are you using? Now? Are you on control? Like you are?

Jonathan 10:29
Yeah, I'm on control IQ now. Am I

Scott Benner 10:31
okay? Did you find when you disconnected to play that your blood sugar's would get high afterwards? Or did they not?

Jonathan 10:38
I think it honestly depended. Because obviously, like when you're in the rush of the game, you have those adrenaline rushes, which always normally raise my blood sugar, but like, also, I have a lot of physical activity, like I'm running up and down the field constantly. So yeah, I think it and honestly, I don't remember, but I think in the end, just thinking about it probably ended up balancing itself out and maybe eventually having a load afterwards.

Scott Benner 11:06
Have you learned how to do activity now with? I mean, staying connected and in managing it, like stably? Or do you still disconnect to this day?

Jonathan 11:17
It just depends. Right now. We're in the offseason for soccer. And so I'm playing tennis right now. But for tennis, because it's not such a physical sport. I keep everything on. And that works pretty well, for at least tennis. For soccer, though. I'm not sure what I'm gonna do this next year. Last year, I would normally just kind of flip it and tuck it into my shorts. And have to keep that on.

Scott Benner 11:47
Yeah. All right. I do want to. So I want to ask you about management, like specifically like, do you handle it? Like present day right now? Is anyone involved in your help? You know, is there people helping? Are you doing it by yourself? Or

Jonathan 12:04
mainly, it's mainly me. I carb count I Bolus for everything that I well, I shouldn't say everything I you know, I'm doing all that. But my mom, she, she's a she follows my graphs pretty consistently. And she, she knows like when she sees something in the graph consistently. She knows like, what kind of changes to make, like I'll make a few changes every once in a while. But he or she mainly makes the changes and I do pretty much everything else.

Scott Benner 12:34
site changes, is you you keep track of them. And when like your sites have to be changed in the CGM has to be changed.

Jonathan 12:41
Yeah. I mean, I just keep track of it by the alarms that the devices give me.

Scott Benner 12:48
Okay. Are you paying attention to those alarms? Kind of? How How often do you find yourself going? Oh, my CGM just expired. I, I wasn't, I didn't remember that was gonna happen.

Jonathan 13:02
I normally do the changes in the evening. So it's not the worst when it expires. But I have done that before. We're like, I'll get the, like, 30 minute alarm, and then I'll go start something else. And then it'll expire. And like 20 minutes later, I'm like, oh, I need to change that.

Scott Benner 13:19
Yeah, I said to so my daughter wore a G seven last week to try it. And she's gonna go back in and keep using it when her G six is run out. And so I sent her a text, she's in college, and I said, Hey, you're in a great position here. You can put the G six on, you know, even maybe six hours before the g7 is going to expire. And then you won't have a gap without your CGM. And then she didn't do that. Yeah, I'm looking at a text from her now that says, I'm so busy at school. I don't know how I'm gonna get any of this done. And I responded time is a construct, which is not going to be helpful for her. But I thought it was funny. Anyway, okay, so you're definitely using the G six because using the control IQ, and right now in April of 2023, GS six is the only thing compatible with it. So but you've done both, you've done Omni pod five, you've done control like you. It sounds like you've tried a number of things, but prior to that you were just using a tandem pump. Yes. Okay. What made you try an algorithm at all. Now let's talk about the Dexcom g7. The Dexcom g7 is a small and wearable continuous glucose monitoring system. It sends real time glucose readings to your Dexcom g7 app or the Dexcom receiver. Use my link dexcom.com forward slash juice box to learn more and get started today. You will be able to effortlessly see your glucose levels and where they're headed. This way you'll be able to make better decisions about food, insulin and activity. Once you're able to see the impact that those variables have on blood sugar, you'll begin to make more purposeful decisions and have better outcomes. My daughter has been wearing a Dexcom My daughter has been wearing a Dexcom product for so many years, I don't even remember when she started. But today, she wears the Dexcom G seven. And it is small and easy. And oh my goodness, are you going to love it dexcom.com forward slash juice box, you can head there now and click on the button that will get you your free benefits check or just hit that other button that says Get Started. When you use my links, you're supporting the production of the podcast dexcom.com forward slash juice box.

Jonathan 15:48
Well, the first pump that was on was tandem. And eventually they upgraded to the Basal IQ, which was just it suspended your insulin, when it saw you're going low. And that that was honestly probably the first big game changer with how we manage because we could be slightly more aggressive to keep my numbers and trust that the pump would be able to keep it stable because it would suspend the insulin. And then they upgraded it to control IQ where it pretty much did everything it increased it would give you those auto boluses decrease standard suspended your insulin and then we do know that the pumpkin almost do pretty much everything as long as we had those main settings right like the Basal CF factor, you know? Yeah.

Scott Benner 16:38
Jacqueline, where'd you learn all this? On

Jonathan 16:41
my mom, and she'd probably say the Juicebox Podcast. Oh, okay.

Scott Benner 16:44
Oh, okay. Sorry. Oh, my God, we'll get back to that in a second. Hold on, we just wrote down Am I annoying to you? So because you just explained that so clearly, just I can be more aggressive because the algorithm will try to stop even Basal IQ which was, you know, like you said, just cutting off your, your Basal insulin, if it looks like you're gonna get low, and you can be more aggressive. And that works, right? Like, just Yeah, via getting some of the insulin up front ahead of the food, in a more aggressive manner can sometimes help. What would you describe your eating style as, honestly,

Jonathan 17:18
it's probably pretty unhealthy. And it's with carb counts, it's decently consistent, I'd say normally 60 to 100 carbs for almost every meal. So there's that somewhat consistent range that I eat. But it's normally like the quick processed food, I can throw in the microwave for like two minutes and then just eat it.

Scott Benner 17:45
John, I'm going to have more younger people on the show, because that was the most honest answer anybody's ever given. I'm like, what's your what's your fueling plan? Like Jonathan, you're like, I go with pretty unhealthy. Some people like it's not I'm a pescatarian. I'm like, Yeah, are you so but oh my god. So hold on that really made me you. Got I'm trying to put myself in the ground as fast as possible. Yesterday, I had a Twinkie hot dog. But it was so your is it about quick. Accessibility to food. Is it about that you cook for yourself? Is your mom like a layabout? Is she not helping you with meals? What's going on? Exactly? Well,

Jonathan 18:25
for like lunches and dinners. They normally cook like dinners like my dad, he's kind of the main cook in the family. He'll cook a pretty convenient dinner. That's good. So dinners is usually but you know, we live in America. It's still like all the processed food and stuff. So obviously, it's not going to be the best but for lunches, and breakfasts, lunches tend to be at school and in the schools who just isn't also the best. Also, click Process stuff, they can just click in massive amounts. And breakfasts ends up being like oatmeal or something I can just throw on the toaster. Yeah, don't

Scott Benner 19:04
don't throw me on the toaster. But I hear what you're saying. Yeah. So let me ask you a question. You have a firmer grasp of what you should be eating than many people your age. But you're not. Do you not like, like singular foods, like a piece of chicken or a piece of beef for, you know, like asparagus, like, are you not that person? Or is it about time?

Jonathan 19:31
It's honestly probably about time, like, I could sit down and I could like, learn how to cook this stuff real nice and make it good. But like, I have a really busy schedule, like with school and then all the extracurriculars I do. I ended up not being at home very often where I have that like 30 minutes to an hour to be able to cook some nice chicken or a steak or whatever.

Scott Benner 19:57
Yeah. You know, it's interesting. We Because I think that when most people look at another person's lifestyle, and they, you know, they make a judgement about it, they always say, Oh, they don't try hard enough, or they don't understand me, they don't have money. But it's none of that for you. It's just It seriously is just time and availability to that time. I know what you're talking about, it's incredibly difficult. To prepare a meal, I guess I shouldn't have said that. It's not incredibly difficult to prepare a meal, it's incredibly difficult to find the time to prepare a meal. And then you have to cook it, you have to eat it, and then clean it up. And before you know it, you're an hour, 90 minutes later, and for somebody like you who's involved in activities and going to school, and I mean, you have a are you dating? No, no, yeah, that'll let you try that. And how come you're not dating? Nobody's interested? Or you're not interested? It's

Jonathan 20:56
kind of sort of both. Like, I have had some people ask me out, but like, it's either I don't feel ready or like, I just kind of don't want to at the time, like, yeah, no, I understand that part of time. You know,

Scott Benner 21:11
I guess you do you mind telling me I what I don't feel relat ready means putting

Jonathan 21:16
in that time commitment, you know, like, preparing myself mentally, for the challenges it may bring, you know, because it's a whole new aspect to life. Jonathan, I'm

Scott Benner 21:28
laughing because you have no idea. And you're not going to be able to prepare. So I've been married for like ever, I don't know, like 26 or 27 years. And still twice a day. My wife says something to me. And I think what is she talking about? Why? Why are we talking about this? What's happening? Yeah, man, are you have no idea? Have you considered being a monk? That's not a bad thing to do. And, you know, keep it on the back burner. Let's say people are lovely. And you will get so much out of an interpersonal relationship that is special like that. And at the same time, it it'll be utterly confusing to you. I think it's I think it's growth. But that's if you get lucky and get like a decent person like you could get a wacko you don't I mean, like, Yeah, have you had any your friends like dating somebody that they're like, Oh, my God, I, the one I got is nuts. Does that happen? Yeah, yes. Yeah. Good times. Good times, Jonathan. Yeah, there's plenty of time for that. Don't rush. I like the way you're handling. Do you know it's interesting. If people are really listening, you sound like you come from a really solid families. For Kids, mom and a dad in the house. Your mom put a lot of effort into your, into your health. You play a couple of sports, you're really well spoken and understand everything and yet I have found a way to infer that it's possible your mom is a layabout, and your teacher was a creep. Your friends girlfriends are all whacked out of their skull, which nonetheless, I'm just trying to be entertaining Jonathan, but I just did hit me a minute ago. It sounds like you have a really wholesome phallic life. I'm like, why was that lady watching? You go to the I just got up an hour ago. I'm not really awake yet. Okay, I have to ask you just because of where you're at. A lot of pressure about drugs. Where are you able to stay away from it?

Jonathan 23:18
For the most part, I've been able to stay away from it. The honestly the big thing is vapes, like I've been asked to do vapes, I don't know, like, I know that there are a bunch of druggies all over but yeah, I can pretty consistently stay away from most of the

Unknown Speaker 23:35
What grade are you in?

Jonathan 23:35
I'm a sophomore.

Scott Benner 23:37
What's the harshest drug you hear spoken about by kids? Everyone's

Jonathan 23:40
doing a little probably ended up being like cocaine, but it's probably most commonly marijuana. And

Scott Benner 23:46
when they're vaping, or they vaping weed or they vaping like oils and stuff like that.

Jonathan 23:51
Most of them will probably say it's oils, but I really have no idea.

Scott Benner 23:56
And so you've been able to keep a core people around you who aren't doing that. Yeah, that's excellent. Good for you. I'm assuming that you don't smoke cigarettes, and you don't drink? No, no. Do you think you will?

Jonathan 24:09
Honestly, not sure. But I will try and stay away from it as long as I can. Because I just know the health health benefits from it. You staying away from your

Scott Benner 24:19
parents drink? No. You I think that gives you a better shot, honestly, because it doesn't seem like part of life. I've really noticed that. That people I know who came from households where there's like always beer or something like that, or just wine in the evening. And it's just it's very normalized, which I don't not really making a judgement about, but I think when anything's normalized, then when you get older, you just think oh, I guess I'm supposed to drink coffee now or you don't I mean, like something like that. So alright, yeah. So you play two sports, you're not dating, you're not smoking, and you're not getting high and you're not drinking. What do you do? For the rest of your time,

Jonathan 25:02
like I said, I'm really busy outside of school, because the ball sports almost practices every day, almost to average two to occasionally one and a half hour to two hour practices every day with those sports and I do. I do play the trumpet and that. Are you serious? Yes, in the band. I play the trumpet. And every once in awhile, they'll do an after school practice. For like the whole band, right before a concert or something. So yeah. Outside of school, I'm probably home. I'd say roughly around 530 to six almost every day. I

Scott Benner 25:40
have to ask you, and you don't have to answer if you don't want to. But you're coming off like an indignant to me. I don't know if you know that word, but I'm trying to figure it out. Are you? How tall are you?

Jonathan 25:48
I'm around six, three, you're athletic. I would consider myself athletic.

Scott Benner 25:54
So you're a sixth theory, athletic, soccer tennis playing trumpet player who's not dating, getting hired drinking? All the dots right now, Jonathan, what do you think of that? My kids are gone. I could use a couple more years that are carefree. But with a person in the house. By the way, I called your teacher creepy earlier now like describe your body to me, Jonathan. You're a bit of a I'm gonna ask my last question to put this puzzle together. How are you a decent student? Good student bad student?

Jonathan 26:26
Oh, yeah. I'm an AP student.

Scott Benner 26:28
What do you thinking of doing after high school?

Jonathan 26:30
I've been thinking a lot about electrical engineering, or just something in engineering in general. Really?

Scott Benner 26:36
You think you can pull that off? Your math is strong?

Jonathan 26:40
Yeah, it's pretty strong.

Scott Benner 26:41
Oh, let me Can I say something to you? Sure, you can hold out you're gonna get a good girl. Do you see them saying? Like, you don't have to don't don't don't? Um, yeah. Is that what you're doing? Oh, is that what you didn't say earlier? Has somebody up to your standards not come along it? Not

Jonathan 27:00
necessarily. But, like,

Scott Benner 27:03
what the hell's happening here? How come? Oh, my God, come on. Kids aren't like you. I mean, you understand your diabetes? Like, you're thoughtful. Like, how did this happen? Did your parents do this to you? Or is this natural? Honestly,

Jonathan 27:17
they they have said, like a good example of like, what to look for, you know, like how to act around people. So yeah, I'd put most credit on them. Hmm.

Scott Benner 27:25
Religion a big part of your life for now?

Jonathan 27:28
Oh, yeah. It's a pretty big part.

Scott Benner 27:30
Okay. Is this that have a hand in keeping you in line? Or is this just who you are?

Jonathan 27:35
We have like a small church here. So we're pretty tight knit, you know. So that's probably it's probably also helped. I'm trying

Scott Benner 27:43
to get to the fact like, I'm trying to find out if like, when one of those kids is handy, that vape and they're like, Hey, Jonathan, try this. Are you thinking yes, I'm going to were you thinking? No, I can't because God won't like it. Or do you think I don't want this? It's just not for me.

Jonathan 27:58
It's a little bit of God. Like, you know, and it's like, I just don't want to okay, it's an it's a mix of both.

Scott Benner 28:07
I got you. Oh, listen, everybody needs a motivator. That's perfect. I listen, I'm not questioning this is working. You've never murdered a squirrel and buried it so people wouldn't see or anything weird, right? Jonathan, you'd ever merge? We're all right.

Like, I'm trying to make sure you don't have a mental illness. Jonathan, right. So I checked to make sure you're not torturing small animals. I asked a question. And there's this long pause and I'm like, Oh, we figured it out. Someone watched this kid. But oh, my god, six three is that is a gift. Do you have a tall family? Are you the only one?

Jonathan 28:50
Oh, yeah. My uncle who also has type one diabetes, he's he's pretty tall too. So? Which,

Scott Benner 28:56
which? Which one of these sports are you thinking about in college? Tennis, right? Honestly,

Jonathan 29:01
I'm not sure. Honestly, I'll probably end up trying out for either one. I don't think I'm a get a scholarship for either. So.

Scott Benner 29:09
But Jonathan, here's what you're missing at an engineering school. It's not like Steffi Graf is showing up there. So you really might be able to see what I'm saying. Yeah, there's their standards. What am I trying to say? You are athletic, and smart. Doesn't happen like that. And I don't mean smart. Like, not everybody's like my kid plays But initially, I don't mean that, like Everybody calm down. I mean, like engineering smart. That's a different level of understanding. And an athletic is a mix. Like it is a mix. You don't see often. My son just graduated from college recently. He played baseball throughout school. He got a lot of money for playing baseball. And his, his major was quantitative economics. And you don't often hear somebody who can hit a baseball out of A minor league baseball stadium and understands whatever the hell quantitative economics is. So that's what I'm saying for you. This is you have a nice launch here. Do you don't screw this up? Jonathan, you're gonna have a decent life. You excited? I guess when you put it that way. Yeah, man think big. What kind of car do we want as an adult? Honestly,

Jonathan 30:19
I really don't care something that I can that will work, something that will get me point a point a point A to point B pretty easily, Jonathan, partially destroy.

Scott Benner 30:30
We're gonna talk about your diabetes in a minute, because I want to hear how you're managing and everything and everything you've gone through with the two different systems. But first, we're, we have to continue playing this game. I'm gonna give you a million dollars now. You have a million dollars. You're an adult? They're 23. Okay, are you moving out of Kentucky? Are you staying? Honestly, I'd probably stay. All right. And the kind of car you have not important to you? Not really, what kind of how big do you think you would like your house to be? Do you want some big crazy house or something small and manageable? Does it matter to you if it's new or

Jonathan 31:06
old? Honestly, I'd kind of like maybe an older house, I could kind of fix up and make how I wanted. Jonathan,

Scott Benner 31:15
I think you're gonna have a problem when this comes out. Because every free mom, every mom that hears this, that's gonna try to figure out who you are. And they're going to be sending their daughters to you. Do you see what I'm saying? They're gonna be like, meet that boy right there. You don't want anything a gold chain? A PlayStation in every room? Nothing crazy comes to mind?

Jonathan 31:34
No, not really. Wow. Good for you.

Scott Benner 31:39
I you know what if I hadn't, if I had a bunch of money, all of a sudden out of nowhere. I've said this before on here. So some people won't be surprised by it. I would collect my family up and ask them about their medical issues, and then pay for them to go to boutique doctors to help them. That's the first thing I would do. I don't have any big thoughts, either. It's like, oh, if I had a million dollars, you know what I would do? Like, you know, like, I wear like, I have a sweat shirt that I'm wearing right now that I looked at it the other day, and I thought this has got to be 22 years old. I could afford a better sweatshirt. And just doesn't occur to me to replace it. I was talking to somebody yesterday who might come on as an advertiser. And they sell like, like clothing. It's nice clothing. And they're like, we'll send you some samples. I was like, Okay, thanks. And then I thought like, what am I gonna do with that? Alright, what kind of music do you like?

Jonathan 32:33
Music I generally listen to kind of hard rock music.

Scott Benner 32:37
What does that mean? In 2023? Give me two or three bands that you like.

Jonathan 32:42
Shine down Shinedown upheaval and Alter Bridge.

Scott Benner 32:48
See, we found where it's coming out. It's coming out through the music. Right? See, if you were my age, you would have listened to God would Will you listen to Metallica? Pantera, suppled, Torah stuff like that stuff you probably don't even know about or care about anymore. But it would have been similar. Did you see? Alright, I'm testing you. Did you see the Leonard Skinner tribute at the Country Music Awards The other night?

Jonathan 33:11
I did not. Yeah, that's an old person. That

Scott Benner 33:13
thing I was testing. Okay. All right. All right. Are you been a good sport? Are you are you are you having a good time? Yeah, we're having great time. All right, go. How did you end up doing this? Your mom forced you.

Jonathan 33:25
My mom was like, oh, it'd be such a good idea for you to compare Omnipod five to control IQ because you've done both. I was like, Yeah, sure. I guess I'll do it then. And then because you're so backed up, and she's like, having to schedule it out. This conversation happened? Probably February. Yeah. Late February, honestly. And so she scheduled me out to April. And she's like, well, obviously he'll talk about anything. So if you don't end up talking about that, that's fine.

Scott Benner 33:58
And your mom likes the podcast. Oh, that your mom likes the podcast? Yeah, she

Jonathan 34:05
listens to what's your,

Scott Benner 34:06
what's your one say?

Jonathan 34:08
I think the last time it was like 6.3. That's really

Scott Benner 34:12
good. Good for you. That's excellent. I mean, seriously, you managed that on your own and a six three and you're eating garbage basically hot trash. You just shovel it, you probably eat the box once in a while and don't even realize doesn't doesn't even taste any different? You know? So, okay, so you were on Basal IQ, then what did you do next?

Jonathan 34:30
Once control IQ came out. It was right to control IQ.

Scott Benner 34:36
And then at some point, you tried Omni pod five? Yes, but you're back on control IQ. Yes. Okay. So I know what I think the differences in the system are so I think I'm, it's gonna be very interesting to hear what you say. So first, tell me about the experience on control IQ and how you find it, what you use as far as its capabilities and how you might you know, monitor yourself And then how you kind of implement your ideas.

Jonathan 35:03
Well control IQ that like it can do the audibles and stuff like moves your Basal up and down as you need it. Least put

Scott Benner 35:15
Now Jonathan, you broke up this your your hillbilly to hold on, your hillbilly Wi Fi just broke up there for a second. You have like either like goats outside running on a wheel or something like that you have to go feed them or what? What makes that I'm just teasing. You just broke up for a second. So intro like you got it again. So

Jonathan 35:34
control IQ, like it raises your blood sugar and stuff. And you're not blood sugar, basil. And we keep our mind in sleep mode 24/7. So that tightens the like, in range time of what the pump thinks is in range. So it will try and keep it a more steady line because it's not expecting like the activities and stuff of regular day. And so that seems to help. Also in sleep mode, it doesn't do the auto Bolus is so it's not in the auto Bolus is are just the correction factor. And then I think it takes it's only 60% of what it actually would be. Yeah. So honestly, I don't feel like that would be it's too much of a difference without it.

Scott Benner 36:23
Have you? Have you ever tried running it out of sleep mode?

Jonathan 36:25
We did at the beginning, and we just decided that it'd be better on sleep mode. And and we just haven't changed it.

Scott Benner 36:32
Okay. Yeah, you know, it's interesting. I literally interviewed a person yesterday, who said the exact same thing. Like I know, I think the way they said it was I know you're not supposed to do this, but I run control IQ and sleep mode 24/7. And I've also had people on who are like, you don't have to do that. Like I have a couple of really good episodes about control IQ. One of them's called control IQ ninja. And I think one of them is called lazy control IQ ninja. But they were they're pretty helpful if you want to check them out. Anyway. Okay, so you're running it out of like, not really in the automated mode the way they I mean, the company is hoping I guess you will. But you're using it like that. You're I mean, you're a six, three. And he, you know, that's astounding. And it works for you. Do you use a lot of extended bonuses or things like that?

Jonathan 37:23
Not really, like, for some meals, like I know, like when I snack on popcorn or something I know that's always gonna hit me slightly later. So I'll Bolus just a little bit up front for that. And then do the rest extended. Sometimes I'll deal with pasta when I remember. But yeah, that's

Scott Benner 37:42
Ctrl. Like you lets you do an extended you don't have to Bolus the second time.

Jonathan 37:46
Control IQ lets you do it to our extended Bolus, and it'll let you switch the percentages however you need it. Okay. Okay.

Scott Benner 37:54
So then, what makes you try on a pod five? Is it just the idea of like, Oh, I could go back to tubeless.

Jonathan 38:02
Yeah, two plus was the main thing that drew me to Army part five. And part of it was also the algorithm and with the algorithm like we were doing decently well, obviously, we couldn't we put in our original settings, and then it would just learn from there. The reason we came back to control IQ was that, for us, it felt like that, it wouldn't stay consistent it like every time I switched upon, like, it would be good. And then I'd be low all the time, and then it would be good again. It's like it couldn't stay. You know,

Scott Benner 38:42
how long did you try it for?

Jonathan 38:43
I think it was a few months.

Scott Benner 38:46
Did you hear my episodes about setting up on the pod five before you tried it?

Jonathan 38:51
Like Bob may have but I personally didn't know him. Yeah, there's so

Scott Benner 38:55
it's, it's incredibly important when you set up on the pod five, to really, really know your total daily insulin and and to give that to it, and it wants you to I'm speaking generally here, but it wants you to be about 5050 on your initial setup, 50% Basal 50%. Bolus, and then it wants you to that then it sort of makes the decisions after that it figures out what it's doing. And it goes from there. I know that people who start that way, have a lot more success with it than not. But you're also manipulating the control IQ to a large degree, you're leaving it in sleep mode. So it doesn't make Otto Bolus is like you're you're adapting, control IQ to your life the way you want it to you're not just letting it run. And so when when you were letting on the pod five run, you were getting lower. Yeah, it tended to push me low. Was that around activity or any specific time or just generally? I

Jonathan 39:58
think it was just generally Why, like I'd be stable for a little bit, it would go. And sometimes I'd cracked it. Sometimes I wouldn't. But I'd always end up going back up to be studied for a little bit. And it ended up just being these kind of hills.

Scott Benner 40:12
Did you ever use an omni pod before the algorithm? No,

Jonathan 40:18
Omni pod five was the first time the first I had did you

Scott Benner 40:21
try throwing it into manual mode to see what happened.

Jonathan 40:25
Um, I can't remember if we did or not, we may have put it in manual mode for a little bit. Okay,

Scott Benner 40:30
I have a ton of episodes about on the pod five, that people should check out if they want, including a three part series, overview settings and connectivity 736-730-7738. There's an episode was somebody who set up there on the pod, but then heard the the series and they did a reset. So on the pod reset is 794. One what I'm what I'm going to tell you is that first of all, you should use whatever works for you. That's I mean, I want your life to be easy. So obviously doesn't matter to me what you use, but algorithms, you know, not even algorithms, diabetes, you said it earlier settings, everything settings, right your, your carb ratio, you have to have it right, your Basal needs to be right, your correction factor needs to be right, you need to understand the difference between you know, how, I don't know a piece of chicken with some beans and a potato are going to affect your blood sugar versus you know, a pizza that comes out of a box at two o'clock in the morning that even though maybe the pizza slice says it's 36 carbs, and the potato and the chicken and everything seems like 36 carbs or whatever, it's not going to hit you the same way that settings. It's so important throughout diabetes, but really, when you are setting up an algorithm if your settings are off, like nothing's going to work, and what happens to a lot of people doesn't sound like it happened to you. But what happens to a lot of people are, they are also they're kind of getting lucky or having good results by mistake. Sometimes, like some people over basil themselves and then eat to the insulin. And they'll say oh my onesies good. It's low and you know, blah, blah, blah. But that's not really right. Like your Basal shouldn't be set in a way where you have to eat or something's gonna go wrong. And that's just one example of classically how how people with diabetes have sort of, I don't want to say cheated, but you know, like, they've got their settings wrong, but it's still in the end working for them, like, quote, unquote, working for them. So you can't put bad settings into an algorithm and expect it to work. Because it's, it only knows what you told it. And if what you told it's not right, then your outcomes are going to be wrong. So anyway, I but I'm happy that you found something you like, the tubeless nature of it. You do prefer that over wearing it to pump? Yeah, yeah. I think you've ever tried again,

Jonathan 42:56
probably just depends on the futures got a bunch of crazy new technologies. So just honestly, depends on what comes out next. Yeah,

Scott Benner 43:05
man, there's gonna be a lot of cool stuff that happens in your life with diabetes. It's your you got diabetes, the right time, Jonathan. Do you ever think about it in terms like that? Do you ever think this isn't fair? Or I don't want this to? Do you have any psychological burdens from it?

Jonathan 43:23
Not really, like, honestly, the most psychological burden I've really had from it is like, just not wanting to deal with it. But other than that, it's not been like, too mentally hard on me.

Scott Benner 43:36
Would you describe yourself like that in other aspects of life?

Jonathan 43:41
Probably kind of a, there's definitely things in life where like, I just don't want to do it. But like, you know, it's a responsibility that you just kind of have to do and get yourself to do. So.

Scott Benner 43:55
Would you describe yourself as would have been anxious or nervous or any of that stuff?

Jonathan 44:01
No,

Scott Benner 44:02
no? Do you worry about low blood sugars?

Jonathan 44:04
Not at all. I trust the pump. You could say with my life, but that's kind of what it is. Yeah.

Scott Benner 44:11
Have you ever had a scary low?

Jonathan 44:13
No, not too crazy. When

Scott Benner 44:17
do you start feeling your lows? At what number?

Jonathan 44:21
So it depends on like, kind of the blood sugar's prior, like if it was a drop from like 200 that we just kind of kept pushing and it just started ticking almost straight line down. On the graph, I can, I can feel myself dropping fast like, I'll get like the hungry sensation and stuff. But when I like, if it's kind of more cruising, and then I just start going low. I can, like, I'll also like the main symptom is like I get hungry when I'm not normally hungry. And then sometimes I'll sweat like that's more of a nighttime symptom is I'll wake up sweating and my blood sugar will be low. I

Scott Benner 45:01
mean, is there a number where you're dizzy or disoriented or anything like that?

Jonathan 45:07
No, not. Normally. If it's like low low, like I'd say 50s 40s. Maybe. But like, if it's just 60s and stuff, just kind of, I'll be more of the hungry and wake up sweaty sensations. So

Scott Benner 45:21
how often were with what frequency? Do you think you see a 50? Blood sugar? Honestly,

Jonathan 45:27
not too often, it'll normally be like, with an off day where either I've been super active or like, I've been cruising high for a while, just some out of the ordinary.

Scott Benner 45:39
Yeah. And something. It's not usually a falling 50. It's kind of like a glide to 50. Yeah, okay. That's great. Well, I mean, how would your blood sugar fall with all that crappy food and you're right. I will share this with you. Like I said, my son is 23 just turned 23 Now, and he played baseball, since he was four. So in the spring, in the summer, in the fall, it was in the wintertime is the only time he wasn't on a baseball field. And there were normally winters after he hit probably, like, I'd say probably 1213 years old. Even in the winter, he was in a cage swinging back constantly, or throwing or you're working out or lifting or something like that. And he could eat rocks. Like if you fed my son rocks, he still looked like, like standing muscle. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. And then he graduated. And he kept working out for baseball for a while he was thinking about going to grad school, he got a few grad school offers to play baseball. He didn't want to do that. He thought about going down south to a pitching clinic cuz his fastball was up to like 93. And he's like, maybe I'll take a shot at this. But then in the end, he just decided to take a job. And he and he went and took a job. And inside of like, three months, he said to me is like, wow, I really have to be more careful about what I eat. And he didn't realize like he was eating a lot just to maintain, like, he was six feet 200 pounds while he was playing. He's like, I can't I can't carry this weight. He's like, first of all, I hate eating all this food. And he's like, he's like, I don't want to be this big. He's like, I'm gonna get like, I'm gonna get soft and five seconds. So he, he dropped 10 pounds. And he's, he's happier now. But he's also cooking for himself and making meals and because he's he's also trying to save money, you know? So he's, he's preparing meals on the on the weekend and taking them to work with him during the week and stuff like that. But yeah, my my point was, Jonathan, your body won't let you do that forever. So be careful. Yeah. Okay. And you would use less insulin if you ate cleaner foods, too. Yeah.

Jonathan 47:52
But, you know, tends to be more expensive because America convenience

Scott Benner 47:58
is that is is expensive part of the issue. I mean, for our kids, there's a lot of kids to take care of. Yeah,

Jonathan 48:05
I don't think expense really is like, I know, my parents follow like a budget stuff. So I don't think expense is too much of an issue. We have good insurance. So like we get most of my stuff for free. So cool. Well, that's not something we have to worry about.

Scott Benner 48:22
Jonathan, that's interesting. If you said to me, what do you pay for insulin? I don't think I pay probably like $20 Every time we get insulin, right. But I also have insurance on myself, my wife, still my son for a little longer. And my daughter, and out of my pocket, I think that cost like $8,000 a year just for the insurance, then I have co pays and deductibles to reach and probably by the end of the year. I'm guessing my insurance costs me 12 $15,000. But when you the day you buy the insulin, you're like, oh, look, it was free. So it's not free, Jonathan, is what I'm saying. But you'll be an engineer, you'll be able to pay for it. And you're getting helpful as it goes, right Jonathan? If you listen to me, you're going to be an engineer with what I'm going to say is like a 511 Volleyball playing wife who also has a good career. So all you got to do you want her to be blonde or do you not care? I honestly don't care if she plays volleyball, she's gonna be blonde, Jonathan, so maybe maybe we'll get away from the volleyball that if you don't care, because you're gonna get what do you think? What do you think about generalizing? Jonathan? Are you a fan of it? Or do you find it repulsive?

Jonathan 49:34
I don't really care. Like, it's a good way to describe it.

Scott Benner 49:38
So I have a, I have a group of people ever real question for you here that you don't I mean, seriously, think about it for a second. You don't have to answer. Okay. How much of political correctness it touches you at 16. Do you feel it the way older generations Do or do you Not? What's my question here? If someone wants you to refer to them by a pronoun, or if someone wants you to do something that seems just not how it would occur to you. Like when that happens in my, my family, my kids are just like, oh, yeah, whatever, that's fine. And that's, I think, a real generational thing. Like there's no, no judgment. No, like, well, this is what I think like, I find kids your age to just be like, yeah, man live and let live, whatever. And I don't just mean about pronouns, but about everything. Do you find yourself? Just going with the flow? societally? I don't know if any of that made sense to you? Because you're 16

Jonathan 50:44
Yeah, I guess, like, kind of just like, going with, I guess you could say the crowd like, just kind of chalant Lee moving with them. You know, personally, I don't take like aside either way. But like, if somebody asked me to refer to them away, I'm like, Cool. I'll do that. And it's like, not a big deal. To me. I don't really care that much about that kind of stuff. Stuff

Scott Benner 51:08
like color and sexuality, like just as meaningless to your generation. Right?

Jonathan 51:13
Yeah, I guess you could say that. Yeah. No, look at it. Yeah. It's

Scott Benner 51:17
terrific. Actually, Jonathan, I just, like I grew up in the 70s. Like, when I was 16. It was, Geez, 8687. Maybe. And, like, if somebody said, anything like, like, oh, Bill is gay. Everyone be like, Oh, my God, Bill's gay. Like, like it would be it would be like a whole thing. Do you know what I mean? Like this? Yeah, it really the world was like just an incredibly different place. Not that long ago. And I'm, I'm very, like, heartened by how well your generation and the generation Nish before you two has just decided like, and I don't even know if they've decided, I think it's just the way it is. But all that crap is gone. And I'm thrilled it's gone. Like so. Um, it's very night. I think it unburdens you to just live and not be running around. Taking your opinion or your judgment or like meanwhile, nobody even has an opinion. They just they form one because it's asked of them. That's what you guys don't do anymore. You just go right on. Like, that's what that's what they said. And then good. And I think that's really terrific. So, I mean, we just got to keep you off the math, right? I mean, it's Kentucky in this right. I mean, we're not we're not lying. Are we here? Jonathan? I gotta keep you awake. Yeah, right. Like, so. That's cool. You want your teeth. Jonathan. I just want to say that right now. Seriously, so what have I not asked you about so far?

Jonathan 52:45
You've hit like everything.

Scott Benner 52:47
Do I talk too fast for you? Or you were okay.

Jonathan 52:50
No, yeah, I didn't understand you. Understand me.

Scott Benner 52:53
I didn't mean like I was from Mars. I was like, like, I was like, people.

Jonathan 52:58
I know that like some people, the deep south they like talk really slow. And it's hard for them to understand people who generally talk faster.

Scott Benner 53:07
In a million years, like I would not have, you have no accent that I can discern. Like, I don't hear anything at all. Like, do you feel like you're like, sound like you have a piece of straw on your mouth and you're wearing a hat or no?

Jonathan 53:19
I don't think I sound like

Scott Benner 53:22
no, you don't. You could have told me you were from Connecticut. I would have been like, Alright. Sounds Why did I pick Connecticut? Oh, I'm doing a speaking thing in Connecticut. The end of the month? That's fine. That's in my head. It's a private thing. I can't tell you if I don't think the group wants it made public. So I won't tell you about it. But it's really interesting. That was nice for me to say it was really interesting. But I won't tell you, Jonathan, I'm doing this really culturally interesting thing that I will not be telling you about. I'm going to tell you after the recording is over because that was not fair to you. The rest of you are screwed. You're not going to get to know Him. Have you ever listened? Has your mom ever said like, Hey, you listen to this episode. Not

Jonathan 54:00
really, like she has like, because we're in a small town. We go to endo and Lexington, Kentucky so that's about an hour and a half drive or so and she'll put the podcast.

Scott Benner 54:15
I hope that I hope the radio in the car works better this internet connection today.

Jonathan 54:18
Listen to those episodes. Okay. Yeah.

Scott Benner 54:20
Alright, so back to my question that I wrote down from earlier. Are you annoyed by like, how is your mom like one of those moms who's like the guy on the podcast? Or does she talk about me like I'm a person in your life or anything like that?

Jonathan 54:33
Not really. She's just like, I heard this on the podcast and like, you would maybe we could try it out like Okay, sure. Yeah, I don't really find it annoying.

Scott Benner 54:42
She seems like a really good mom. Do you think she is? Yeah, she's

Jonathan 54:46
a great mom. Yeah, but

Scott Benner 54:47
I mean, are you saying that because she's your mom. Or have you witnessed other mothers and you're like, I got a better one. I haven't really? Yeah. Not willing to. Not willing to out any of your friends for having a wacky mom. Okay, that's nice. That was nice.

Speaker 3 54:59
I just like there's some times people come on and they're like, oh my like, like, it's constant like the podcast, Scott, I don't who's the host? Scott? Like, your dad hasn't said anything. Like, stop already. And that is, and I'm gonna let you answer that. Then I have another question.

Jonathan 55:14
Hi, dad. He's kind of more on the sideline with the diabetes, but like he, he also follows my index card numbers. So, and he he roughly knows, like what I have to do. And so

Scott Benner 55:27
yeah, so that was gonna be my next question. Your dad's not that involved with all this? Not

Jonathan 55:32
really, because he, honestly, most the time he's at work. He works like eight to five. So he's at work a lot of the time. So he's not like always at home having being able to, like, kind of hover over me.

Scott Benner 55:48
Yeah, he should get a podcast, it frees up all kinds of time in the middle of the day. So you think your dad, what kind of podcast would your dad had if he started one? He

Jonathan 55:58
is a he was a history professor. Now he's the department chair at the college. So very cool. I'd say that either something like with history or education is

Scott Benner 56:09
excellent. Are you as you come from an academic but what's your mom do?

Jonathan 56:13
Oh, she's an aide at the local elementary school and an adjunct at an online adjunct at a community college in Mississippi. Very nice.

Scott Benner 56:27
Ice. Excellent. Wow. You're used to you have younger brothers and sisters. How old are they?

Jonathan 56:34
The youngest just turned nine. And my sister is 11. And my brother is 213. Do

Scott Benner 56:46
you think that they have any impact from your diabetes?

Jonathan 56:49
They definitely see it. Like, there's no doubt about that. And they like know about it. My youngest son, my youngest brother sometimes says that he wishes he has diabetes, so he can eat snacks whenever he wants, but that's not true.

Scott Benner 57:05
Yeah. Do you think? Do you think any of them have ever? Like confided in you or are they scared? It's gonna happen to them?

Jonathan 57:13
It's probably one of the thoughts. That's like the very back of their head. They did. They don't seem like too worried about it or anything. So

Scott Benner 57:22
you've never spoken about it with them though.

Jonathan 57:24
Not really.

Scott Benner 57:25
Gotcha. Are they all like you? Are they like tall and smart and nice?

Jonathan 57:30
Most of them have good. They all have good grades. Yeah.

Scott Benner 57:35
You don't understand yet. Six. Three is a it's a pass like you won. Like you know that Willie monka ever know the Willy Wonka in the Chocolate Factory? Where? Yeah, and they commonly give a golden ticket to somebody. That six three is a golden ticket. You have no idea. Ah, Jonathan, I'm jealous. Do you understand? The girls are gonna line up at college to go out with a six three, Jonathan. They're just gonna be like, Oh my god. He's so tall. They how's your face? Is it okay? You know what I mean? Yeah, sorry. Yeah. All right. So you got a good face and you're tall and you're athletic. How much you weigh at six, three?

Jonathan 58:12
around 170 or so.

Scott Benner 58:14
All right, we'll put a couple pounds on you. Right like just gonna fill it because you're not at the age. You're still growing. Your dad bulky. Is it going to be okay.

Jonathan 58:21
Are you going to be like, oh, yeah, yeah, my dad's pretty bulky.

Scott Benner 58:24
You got the world by the balls. Do you know that term? Do you know do you know? Yeah. I hate you. What do you think of that? Oh, man, if your dad was my son's dad you'd be watching my son play centerfield on a professional baseball field. Right and I was the thing hold my kid back. I held it my wife my wife is five nine that's tall for a lady you don't know that. But it is. And. And every guy in her family nice and tall. Over here. Here I am five nine. My son grows up to six feet and stops. I know he's pissed at me. He's like, I'm telling you if you have no idea if my son was two inches taller, he literally would be playing baseball right now. And I if he ever hears this, he's gonna be like, yeah, you son of a bitch. Use me up. Hey, that's a good question. You guys curse.

Jonathan 59:14
My friends do a lot but I keep it more moderate.

Scott Benner 59:17
And around the house. Anything around the house? What's the harshest word you hear around the house?

Jonathan 59:23
like dang it or something? They don't curse very much.

Scott Benner 59:26
Dang it. I'll be darned. Yeah, it's something else. Yeah. What's your favorite curse word? You don't have to say you can just allude to it.

Jonathan 59:34
The one yeah, like I don't know honestly. Know

Scott Benner 59:37
how it happened when you're angry. trying to be funny.

Jonathan 59:43
Like I said, I don't curse very much. That is

Scott Benner 59:48
Jonathan, there's a lie in the situation. There's a line of women and their daughters outside of your house right now. I swear to you like as soon as this goes up, just they're going to be out there like locust. You're gonna have to call the cops like Aaron You're really amazing. I would um, I feel like talking to you. I feel like I've done a bad job with like, it was like, Oh my God. I mean, unless you snap and shoot a bunch of people, you and I don't think it's happened and you seem like you're together. Hey, if I said to you of your friends which one's going to snap this one jump into your head right away?

Jonathan 1:00:23
Probably.

Scott Benner 1:00:28
My good stuff, man. i You're terrific. Tell your mom she was right. I usually I get notes like her note says, Let me read it to. Here's a question you fill out when you're coming in about topics you want to cover. She says I'm filling this out for myself. But I think but I am thinking maybe it would be best to have my son Jonathan on who has type one. He will be 16 years old when you record it. She goes on I read this Jonathan and from my perspective, I'm like, oh, here we go. Proud. Mom's gonna put this kid on. It's gonna be a marble mouth and I'm gonna say anything. I'm going to be dragging questions out of them not going to be able to joke because he's not going to understand and you were just terrific. Like really good. Tell your mom she was spot on about this. And every and everything else and I definitely think she's not a layabout. Just so you know. About is that a word people use? Where did that even come from? Let's look it up together for a second lay about who derogatory British term a person who habitually does little or no work? Yeah, I was right. And I think we all know what creep is. So we'd love to look that up. Yeah, but um, alright, so. I don't know what to ask you. I do. Wait. I'm sorry. I do know what to ask you. Can you just hang for just a couple more minutes? Yep. All right. Err, I heard the South that time. You were like, yep. That I got it. There are movies to kids your age care about going to a movie theater? Kind

Jonathan 1:01:57
of sorta like, it depends if there's a good movie. Like it won't. It's not the most. Like here. We don't have that crazy big movie theater. Yeah. It's like, I think it's six or seven, maybe six or seven theaters? I'm not sure. Honestly, because it's been a few. It's been a while since I've been. Yeah. So you don't

Scott Benner 1:02:17
go to movies frequently then? No, not

Jonathan 1:02:20
frequently.

Scott Benner 1:02:21
Your generation is ruining something that I love. It's okay. Don't worry about it. I mean, how about rap music? Like rap music?

Jonathan 1:02:28
Oh, yeah. I like yeah,

Scott Benner 1:02:30
let's be like, go to let's let's be alright. We'll be controversial. For a second though. Kanye is terrific, right? Yeah, he's gonna get me Oh, my God, just it just pumps he is. appears to be a terrible person. But, but the music is ridiculously good. Did you see the other day that he tweeted? That he saw a movie with Jonah Hill in it. And he's now doesn't have a problem with Jewish people. Anyway, I

Jonathan 1:02:56
did see that out of his mind.

Scott Benner 1:03:00
I was like, What are you saying? Like, just not ironically, he meant it. He I saw 21 Jump Street and all that stupid stuff I've been saying for the last six months. Forget it. Like, I'm like, Oh my God, you need help front. But those songs are I mean, my God, you could put Kanye on forever. And it just you could put on his first album and not know any of the songs and listen to it straight through. It's fantastic. Yeah, yeah, man. But no, I mean, just really like he's a genius. And they say there's a thin line between what madness and genius and he's, he jumps on both sides of that line. That's for sure. Anyway, I am not buying a pair of $200 plastic shoes. I don't give a crap how good the music is. But that's neither here nor there. All right. And I you know what's happening right now. I'm out of stuff to ask you. But I don't want you to leave. I'm enjoying your company. Oh my god. Hey, you don't know how to edit audio do I could hire you want to edit? My God? teach yourself how to use some editing software. I'll hire you to edit the podcast. I would love to talk to you every day. How did you? How much did you hate me? Or how did this go for you?

Jonathan 1:04:18
I enjoyed myself is fine. Good.

Scott Benner 1:04:20
Good. I'm glad. I want to tell you like I'm obviously not your parents. And I have no no right to tell you. I'm proud of you. But I for a person I met an hour and 10 minutes ago. I'm very proud of you like the way you're handling your blood sugars. And you know the responsibility and the pressure seems to roll right off your back about it. I'm very impressed. It's really something you should be really, really proud of yourself. I hope you are.

Jonathan 1:04:48
Thanks, man. I do appreciate that. Of course. Do

Scott Benner 1:04:52
you feel it ever? Do you ever look up and think man I'm doing more than kids my age people are adults too. Uh, like, you know what I mean? Like being?

Jonathan 1:05:01
Yeah, you know, I'm saying, kind of like, I just kind of see it around me like, I wish somebody else would kind of know and like, step up kind of,

Scott Benner 1:05:12
you know, tell me what that means you need help? Well, no, it's

Jonathan 1:05:16
not that I need help. It's just like, if more people like realized if they just did this that would like, less than somebody else's burden just like this much or something like that, like, I see that stuff.

Scott Benner 1:05:28
You're worried about other people.

Jonathan 1:05:31
Kind of, like, oh,

Scott Benner 1:05:33
wait a minute, you have friends, you have friends with type one who aren't doing as well as you are?

Jonathan 1:05:39
Or it's not that they're doing is not doing as well. But it's like, I know, like, I don't want to be overbearing on like, this huge group of people that I know, like, I could help. So like, I kind of stepped back, but not really. And I'm like, I just see something and I'm like, I know, such such and such did this, they would help this or that, you know, just just like a group that whole or whatever. Do

Scott Benner 1:06:05
you think it's kind of a lead by example thing? Do you think that them seeing you? You know, take bolusing seriously, when you guys are together and you're eating or something or testing your blood sugar once in a while, if you're like, I'm not sure if my CGM is right, let me check. Like, do you think that makes it easier for them? to maybe do it themselves?

Jonathan 1:06:22
Yeah, I feel like if you just like, do something around people more, it's, you know, lead by example, they're gonna see that and they'll be like, Oh, it's, it's alright, to do this or that, you know,

Scott Benner 1:06:33
I will tell you like,

Jonathan 1:06:36
it's also like doing it around other people like just being confident about who you are, you know? Yeah. Like, you don't need to be embarrassed if something you can't control.

Scott Benner 1:06:44
I think it's a big deal. In general, but around diabetes, specifically that you don't hide your diabetes, I think it's, it's very important for you psychologically, I will tell you that I I've spoken to a lot of adults who have friends who have type one, this is a common message from people. You know, I'm in a group, you know, I have four or five friends who have type one diabetes, and I see them not taking care of themselves, and it breaks my heart. And I don't know what to do. Like, that's not an uncommon thing to have happen. And I know you're not saying your friends are just ignoring it. But you're seeing little things where you're like, Oh, if they just did this, or, you know, man, that's 30 carbs. It's not 20. Like that kind of stuff, right? Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's nice of you to be concerned. And I think it's incumbent upon me to tell you that you are not responsible for other people. So don't let it burden you. But don't let it stop you from caring either. You don't need me to tell you this. You're parented. So Well, I'm sure you're sure your mom has that embroidered in a pillow somewhere? You don't I mean, the other one's going to turn out good to the younger ones, or is one of them getting off the rails? They all seem

Jonathan 1:07:52
on the rails right now. But they're not in high school yet.

Scott Benner 1:07:57
When in that's when the pressure comes, do you think?

Jonathan 1:08:01
I think like, middle, like middle middle school, I guess? Sounds weird. No, it does then, like high school? You know, I feel like that's when they start like getting almost like the end of the real world. Not like it's not necessarily real water. But you get it's a whole slew of like, new things you have to deal with to stay away from and stuff. You know,

Scott Benner 1:08:26
you saw weed in middle school? You did, right. vaping is

Jonathan 1:08:30
probably vaping. I didn't see vaping in middle school.

Scott Benner 1:08:35
Do you think your mom would be surprised by any of this stuff?

Jonathan 1:08:39
Honestly, probably not. Now, obviously, like when she was in school and stuff. It wasn't like as bad as it was. It was more of cigarettes and stuff. But now it's the vapes. So it just kind of changes over time. Yeah. Do

Scott Benner 1:08:54
you think she'd be shocked that you said cocaine earlier?

Jonathan 1:08:58
Maybe, yeah,

Scott Benner 1:08:59
my kids tell me it's everywhere. Like, like, just everywhere. My son was like, it was in college. Like it was. My daughter talked about, like you hear people talking about in high school, you know, a college again, friend groups, you gotta you have to have a really my daughter had a pretty small my son to like a pretty small friend group to avoid stuff like that. Yeah, yeah. Well, man, I don't know. You're terrific. Like, I know, it sounds weird, but you really are, like, go forth and prosper or whatever. And I will. What did I promise to tell you when we got off here? Oh, where I'm going to speak. It's not that exciting. But I'll tell you in a second. I thank you so much for doing this man. I

Jonathan 1:09:42
really appreciate it. Yeah, no problem. Cool.

Scott Benner 1:09:44
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