#259 She Is Having a Baby! First Trimester
Part One of a Four Part Series…
Samantha is 24 years old, newly diagnosed with type 1 and pregnant. I'll be talking with Samantha after each trimester and after the baby arrives.
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Scott Benner 0:04
You sent a nice simple email and it said Hi, first really enjoy your podcast started listening a couple months ago, I was diagnosed last year in 2018 with a one C of 12 and a half when I was three months pregnant more, unfortunately, due to the undiagnosed diabetes, and as a result of the crazy high blood sugars in the early stages of the pregnancy, we lost our baby. So this is incredibly sad. I mean, who gets Type One Diabetes like right when they're pregnant? Like you don't I mean, like you would think that could never happen. Except Sam. The giveaway I did just the other day was won by a woman who found out she had type one, four days before she found out she was pregnant.
Unknown Speaker 0:44
Oh, wow. So apparently, as I say,
Unknown Speaker 0:47
you can set your diabetes whenever.
Unknown Speaker 0:49
Yeah.
Scott Benner 0:51
So you know, you talk here a little bit about the loss of your child and and what you figured out and then you said, You know, I now have an agency of five, you know, you're in range, and you're two months pregnant. So you call it you know, bah, bah, bah, email goes on. And I think you're just pretty much emailing me to say hi, I like the podcast, and thank you. Yeah. And then I email you back. So here's an idea, Sam, what if? What if you came on every time like every trimester, and we walked through your pregnancy on the podcast, and you because I assume you're a glutton for punishment, or you have a lot of free time? not exactly sure what your situation is. But you said yes. So thank you very, very much for that. Hello, and welcome to Episode 259 of the Juicebox Podcast. Today's episode is sponsored by Dexcom. And dancing for diabetes, you can go to dexcom.com, forward slash juicebox. Or dancing for diabetes.com. That's dancing the number for diabetes.com to find out more. And you know what, while I'm announcing things here, if you go to my Facebook page bold with insulin, we just started a private community group where listeners can talk about what they hear on the podcast. So if that's something you think you'd be interested in, go check it out. There are links in the show notes to Dexcom dancing for diabetes, and my Facebook page. Today's episode is the beginning of another series within the podcast. This one should go four episodes, including this one. Today, we're going to hear from Samantha. Samantha has type one diabetes, and she is currently 11 weeks pregnant. Unlike other episodes, you'll hear these in real time, meaning I will put them out as soon as I record them so that you can keep abreast of Samantha's pregnancy. So this one was recorded just the other day. And now you're hearing it pretty much in real time. Samantha will be back after her second and third trimester to report on how that's going. And she's going to come back after her baby's born. As a matter of fact, she's even going to announce in the next episode, the sex of the baby.
Samantha 2:51
Hello, my name is Samantha. I have had Type One Diabetes for a year and a half. I am 24 years old, and I am currently 11 weeks pregnant.
Scott Benner 3:05
Thank you for doing this.
Unknown Speaker 3:06
Thank you so much for asking really nice.
Scott Benner 3:08
It was such a wonderful opportunity to you know, sort of keep a diary about it.
Samantha 3:14
Yeah, and I think as much information as possible out there, because being pregnant with type one is terrifying. Yeah. I mean, I'm sure it's terrifying, even if you didn't go through what I went through. So
Scott Benner 3:27
let's figure out a little bit about what you went through. You said you were diagnosed in 2018. You were 23 years old, I'm assuming. Yeah,
Unknown Speaker 3:35
I was right before I turned 24.
Unknown Speaker 3:39
Now was right before
Samantha 3:40
Yeah, right before? No. Right before I turned 23. Sorry.
Scott Benner 3:43
Right before you turn 23. Okay. In the family, complete surprise
Unknown Speaker 3:48
how it was a complete surprise.
Samantha 3:52
Now afterwards, I think like I had a great grandfather or something that had type one, but not a family member that I knew or was ever in contact with. So it wasn't really something that we ever thought about.
Scott Benner 4:08
Yeah, so enough generations back and far enough removed from the people we all know really well that you aren't walking around thinking, Oh, I wonder if I'll get diabetes one day.
Samantha 4:16
Yeah, exactly. I think the the only really connection I had to is my sister's boyfriend has type one. So I knew I didn't, but I still I still didn't really know about it. Because I don't know. I didn't have it. It was just a thing.
Scott Benner 4:30
I grew up with one of my best friends had type one when we were kids. And it was probably two or three weeks after our son was diagnosed where I remember when I remember that he had diabetes. Yeah, it wasn't something then that really didn't really speak about it that much. To be perfectly honest. Yeah, and the management style was so different that you didn't really even really notice it that much, you know, because he kind of just injected insulin twice a day and didn't test his blood sugar and, you know, he said
Samantha 5:00
Yeah, well, the way the way I was diagnosed was actually a surprise to because so we found out that I was pregnant. And usually the doctors don't have you come in until you're like eight weeks or so. And so on that eight weeks appointment, we came in, and they did an ultrasound, and then they took bloodwork, but usually for your first set of bloodwork, they don't test your blood sugar or anything like that. And I guess a mistake was made where the nurse filling out the form on the computer accidentally clicked, where they tested a one see, like two weeks later, because I was like 10 weeks pregnant when we actually found out, I got a call from my doctor, like early Monday morning. And she was kind of freaking out. She was like, I'm on vacation. But I'm calling you because I think you have gestational diabetes, and you need to go in to see a doctor like now. I was like, Okay, and so we went in to see a high risk pregnancy doctor. And she was like, I don't know why you're here. You clearly don't have gestational diabetes. I'm not even sure if these are your blood results.
Scott Benner 6:17
Okay, so let me stop you there. Why did she Why did the Second Doctor not believe that you had diabetes?
Samantha 6:25
He said that because I was thin. He's like, I don't see any reason why you would have gestational diabetes right now. And that's not something that usually develops until later. And since I was so early in the pregnancy, she was like, if you have diabetes, that's type one. Okay. And at that point, we were like, Oh,
Scott Benner 6:41
I see. So this doctor got to the right answer the wrong way.
Samantha 6:46
Yeah. But she was still kind of like, Yeah, but she was like, I don't like we need to retest your blood? Because I don't know if like, maybe they just mixed up your results with somebody else. Because I feel like you should have known or something by now.
Scott Benner 7:01
Some interesting. ends up you do have type one. Yeah. How far into the pregnancy is this?
Samantha 7:09
I think we were and 10 weeks, 10 or 11 weeks. That's kind of where I am right. Now, when
Scott Benner 7:15
we finally found out were you at the point where you told people yet or were you kind of Yeah, we'll tell you for three months.
Samantha 7:22
We told Yeah. We always told our family and like we told our best friends. I think I told my work because I knew I was going to have to miss work for appointments and stuff. But we didn't. That's kind of all we really told it wasn't like a big announcement thing.
Scott Benner 7:40
Just the people who you know, you either really wanted to tell her I needed to tell what is your understanding of the impact on the diabetes on the baby at that point, like when it's starting to happen you realize you're a onesies incredibly high to somebody immediately say to you, we have to do something about this right away, or what's the what's the initial reaction,
Samantha 7:59
a doctor, she, she's my doctor now. And we went back and forth whether we're going to use her again, because she's very straightforward. And like, she just tells you how it is. And when you're like dealing with being diagnosed with type one is just a lot but she like wasn't going to hold my hand through it. So she just pretty much told us the most important time for like the baby's development is the first eight weeks. And since my blood sugar's were like over 600 are crazy like that. And also when I was first in my early pregnancy, I was craving Sonic slushies. We were going to Sonic, like every day. So I can't even imagine and I would eat I was like a carb eater. But I can't even imagine like, what my blood sugar's were on a daily basis. I'm surprised I didn't pass out or something. But um, so she told us that that's the most important time and there was a high chance of there something being wrong with the baby's development. And we were kind of just being hopeful, because she kind of there was like a little bit of hope. Like, if I got everything under control, then maybe we could save the pregnancy. So I got like really crazy with my diabetes management.
Scott Benner 9:13
What kind of technology do you have? Or what are you using?
Samantha 9:16
Well, when I first I was diagnosed, they gave me syringes and vials. And I went home and I started doing research on my own because I hadn't even seen an endo yet. So I was just seeing the high pregnancy, high risk pregnancy doctor, those doing research and I was like, oh, there's these things called pens. That seems a lot easier. So I emailed my doctor and had her write me a prescription for pen. But I was doing MDI for a while, like through my whole pregnancy and I did that and they got me on a Dexcom within like a month of finding out because they said it was really important that I was able to see my blood sugar's on my phone, or and just like not have two fingers. All the time since I was pregnant. So I did dexcom and MDI, and I recently got an omni pod like, last October,
Scott Benner 10:09
I'm struck while you're talking about this, about, like, I can remember the pressure I felt, and I understand the pressure that other people tell me about about the idea of like, I, I've been diagnosed, or my kids been diagnosed. And now I need to figure out how to get this low variability, you know, quote, unquote, as normal as possible blood sugar as fast as I can, like, I'm supposed to figure all this out, or accept it, it's not incredibly easy to figure out. It's not like, it's not like you just have to put your ducks in a row. And then it just works, right. I mean, we all know how difficult it is to figure out the timing of insulin and Pre-Bolus. Singing.
Unknown Speaker 10:43
Yeah, the variable cannot really tell you a lot.
Scott Benner 10:46
They don't tell you any of that. But what I'm saying is that while all this is coming to light in your life, you're also thinking in the back of your head, I'm assuming, right? Like every second, I don't figure this out, is really dangerous to the baby.
Samantha 10:59
Yeah, I everything I was doing was for the baby. I didn't really, I didn't even think about it being for me until really, I mean it really even even after that, like after we lost a pregnancy, it was just making sure my body was ready to have a baby eventually. So I haven't really got to the point where I'm doing it for me.
Unknown Speaker 11:21
I understand.
Samantha 11:23
Kind of pressure, probably a lot of emotion, too. And so when it when something didn't go the way you wanted it to go with your blood sugar. Can you and I don't want to dwell on this too long. But can you share a little bit with me about what that felt like internally? Yeah, well, the the like, the weekend after or two weekends after I got diagnosed, we had a trip planned to Seattle. And so we had we had gone to Seattle. And I remember like, trying my best to, like deal with not being at home, eating and eating out. And every time my blood sugar, because I was still having high blood sugars. I didn't know what I was doing. So when I was like, over 200, it was like, I remember, like breaking down a lot. Because I was freaking out that I was doing something to the baby and making things worse. And it was just it was just a lot of pressure. I've already a stressed out person.
Scott Benner 12:17
Not only that, but it's a very unfair thing stacked on top of another very unfair thing, you know, and then the pressure of these decisions I'm making aren't just now for me, they're for another thing, another living thing, you know, and I'm, I'm in this situation plus, plus, Sam. And is it Samantha like Samantha Sam,
Unknown Speaker 12:37
I like to
Scott Benner 12:39
submit plus, thank you for saying that. But plus, plus Samantha, you put a sonic out of business.
Unknown Speaker 12:45
Yeah.
Scott Benner 12:47
Right. And all these people can't get their cheeseburgers anymore. And it's really because of not buying this slushies every day.
Samantha 12:52
I know how far into that pregnancy until you had the miscarriage? Um, well, we found out around at like 20 weeks is when they can like do the whole anatomy scan. And we found out that in her head, she had a lot of fluid and I can't think of the word of what that is. It starts with an H and it's a long word.
Scott Benner 13:17
Is it hydrocephalus II?
Samantha 13:18
Yes, I can never remember how to pronounce it. So I don't even try, I just say she had a lot of water in her head. So her brain was not forming the way that it should have been in it was like pretty much wasn't for me at all. So about 2425 weeks, we lost the pregnancy and we had to go through the full process. It was a lot and
Scott Benner 13:44
I have no frame of reference for this. And intellectually All I can say is that it feels comforting to me that know that the to know that the body knows when a pregnancy is just so on viable that it does, you know, naturally I guess what the best thing is for for the baby. Yeah, and I can't but I still can't imagine what that's like I if you're open to talking about it, you can but I'm not going to ask you any direct questions about what it's like to go through that.
Samantha 14:16
I lost a child. So it was because we like we already knew because we still thought we could save it. So we knew what she was she was going to be a girl we had a name picked out. We bought things because we still had the hope. I mean, we didn't like we weren't thinking that anything was gonna happen like that. So we were invested in. I mean, I was five, six months pregnant. So I was we were thinking that we're pretty much there. So it was it was devastating. I had a I had a hard time for a while and when that time of the year came up again this year it was hard but for the way that we're looking at it or at least I try to look at it as That without her who knows when I would have been diagnosed, and who knows how I would have been diagnosed, and maybe I would have gone into DK and like, gone into a coma or something, and it could have been a lot worse and I could have died. There's so many stories about people not being diagnosed correctly or soon enough. So she's kind of my guardian angel. Now,
Scott Benner 15:23
you have to look for the good news, a situation like this right? Or they don't want you
Unknown Speaker 15:27
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Scott Benner 15:42
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I feel like we had to talk about that to set the stage for what's happening. Well, I don't want to dwell in in that because there's a lot of good news for you.
Unknown Speaker 16:11
Mm hmm.
Scott Benner 16:11
How long did you wait before you started to try to get pregnant again,
Samantha 16:16
just over a year and a couple months, we waited Okay, from when we lost her
Scott Benner 16:21
right? From the time that you lost the first baby until you decided to try again is about a year now. Did you use that year to try to understand your diabetes? Is that what you were doing then?
Samantha 16:32
Um, well, by the time I went to Well, yeah, I was trying to use it to manage my diabetes. From when I was diagnosed, my a Wednesday was 12.5. And then, three months later, when I got checked again, it was 5.8. So I kind of like was trying to get the hang of things. And then it was just kind of figuring things out and making sure that everything was okay, and I could eat what I want. And like that was a big thing to my husband. And I went through this whole thing where we were standing at the grocery store. And I started crying because I was like, I don't know what I can eat here. And I was I was freaking out about that. So it was kind of just figuring out how I can eat what I want to eat, but still keep the numbers that I want to see.
Scott Benner 17:22
And were you dealing with the I'm assuming you had an endocrinologist at that point. Yeah, right. And but were you also with like in discussions with the OB about what they wanted for? Like as far as a one seeing control for your neck?
Samantha 17:37
Yeah. So after everything, that was one of the things I did ask them because I knew that eventually we were going to want to try again. And they said that I think they said that they just wanted my my agency under six and she would be comfortable with us trying again. But she told me that before we wanted to try again that I needed to come see her just I think it was just to be like a this is what my a Wednesday is this is how I'm doing and then her to kind of give the okay. And my my endo is really great. He i think i think he was said like under seven he would be fine. But me being crazy. I'm like we're gonna go with the under six thing.
Scott Benner 18:20
Yeah. And have you heard Jenny talk about?
Unknown Speaker 18:23
Yeah, and
Scott Benner 18:24
I think that is the I think that is the understand that, you know, kind of accepted ideas that under six is what you're shooting for. And very and low variability know, they'll pass around blood sugars and stuff like that. Okay, so you achieved all that. And you? You did the fun part again? And how long did it take you to get pregnant when you decided to start trying?
Samantha 18:46
I think it took us three months. And I think I finally happened because I stopped stressing about it. Because I was like, I don't know, I'm just a stressed person. So I'm like, every time it didn't happen I was freaking out like is there is because last time it happened like really fast. So when it didn't happen right away this time I kind of thought maybe there was something I would the type one that I know was preventing things but after I stopped stressing out it happened so
Unknown Speaker 19:13
don't stress. Well.
Scott Benner 19:15
Stay calm.
Unknown Speaker 19:16
Yeah.
Scott Benner 19:18
I it's I always feel bad for the guys when it happens quickly. Because you know, at least in the back of their heads. There's gonna be like this nice long time. You know, where like every couple of days she's like, you know what, we should do it you're like Yes, I do. I've been waiting for you just say that. You know that you do it the first time like I'm proud of you. You're like you got to be kidding me. Like This isn't fair. It's like winning the Superbowl in your first season. It's everything you don't mean like you're like oh, but I have to look forward to it now.
Unknown Speaker 19:43
Yeah, maybe that's what
Scott Benner 19:46
I yes of course. Boom. You know, I met this part is now it got done kind of quickly. conceived Arden in a on a sofa in the basement. Right before So, so my son was, you know, however old he was, my mother was over. That's how young my son was my mom was there to go at the house to go trick or treating with us. That was back when our kids were so small that people would like, you know, change towns to be like, Oh, I want to see him in his costume. And my wife and I, Kelly and I are steadfastly trying to accomplish one of the only things in the world we've ever planned, which was, which was getting pregnant with Arden at a certain time so that she could have a summertime birthday.
Unknown Speaker 20:31
Yeah. Oh, yeah. You have to
Samantha 20:33
think about when the birthday. I'm
Scott Benner 20:36
honestly telling you, I think we've only planned two things in our life. And that was one of them. So we're like Cole's getting into his costume. And my mom's there and my wife goes, Hey, you know, we got it. I was like, Really? Yeah. Like, probably Now, before we go out, my mom is here. Do we send her outside? That seems odd, right. Like, you know, and like, what to do? And she goes, Oh, no, I know what to do. And I'm like, Yeah, all right. So I don't even know what Kelly's doing. Kelly turns to my mom. And she was, Hey, could you just watch Cole for a second? Scott and I have to go downstairs and get some stuff for trick or treating. Huh, so literally poor Arden's like conception stories. Like the extra sofa, you know, the one you're like, Oh, it's too nice to have. Not nice enough to be in the living room anymore. Yeah. And my wife being like, hurry up before your mom figures out what's going on? very loving. Anyway. I don't feel weird telling it. I think I wrote about it my book. Congratulations. Very exciting. pregnant again. When did that happen? When did you know you were pregnant? Because we're going to start kind of putting dates in this one a little bit.
Samantha 21:46
Um, I think we found out in July,
Scott Benner 21:49
July of 2019. You found out you were pregnant again?
Samantha 21:51
Yeah, it was right before my husband's birthday.
Scott Benner 21:54
Happy birthday to him. My birthday also in July.
Unknown Speaker 21:57
Oh, yeah. Just saying I'm the 12th. When is he exactly? The 15th. And my sister's the 13th. So
Scott Benner 22:03
we're all connected? Yep. By being born. So you found out in July of 2019. You and I are speaking for the first time. In September of actually, Today is September 5 2019. Again, something that I've actually planned again, not something I do very frequently. But I said to Sam, what if Samantha Excuse me, I you know what, here's the problem. In the recording right here, I typed your name in as Sam. I'm gonna change it because when I look up, I see Sam and then it goes into my head. So Samantha and I were talking and I said, wouldn't it be kind of cool. If we spoke after every kind of trimester and then postpartum maybe three months after you had the baby? And Sam, again, the glutton for punishment said yes. So here we are July, August, September, and we're talking so have you had your How many times have you been back to the OB at this point?
Samantha 22:56
Um, we I've three times, okay. I've been there. The first time was a little like, like emergency visit, because I was having cramping and bleeding. So my ob was like, can you come in right now, just to make sure the pregnancy was in the uterus. So that was really quick. But I got to hear the heartbeat. And then we had our official first ultrasound, and they did all the blood work. And then we went again last week for just like a check in ultrasound.
Scott Benner 23:24
And things are going the way you would expect.
Samantha 23:28
Yeah, I mean, at this, I mean, I don't know how much you can tell there's a baby in there. And it looks like a baby now. And the doctor says everything looks good. So
Scott Benner 23:39
that's wonderful. The first pregnancy is lost because of the the high blood sugar. It had nothing to do with you or anything else.
Samantha 23:47
Yeah, well, that's what I mean. They can't say for sure. But we did all the testing. Like all the blood tests, we did an AMA, Nielsen thesis, and everything came back normal. So they said the only thing that they can think of is that it was because of the undiagnosed diabetes.
Scott Benner 24:03
But I'm assuming even though that's been said to you, there's a lot of anxiety.
Unknown Speaker 24:08
Yeah, yeah. Have you?
Scott Benner 24:10
Are you still dealing with that? Or does it get easier as time goes?
Samantha 24:14
I think it will get easier when we get to pass the point that we got last time. So once I hit like 26 weeks, I think that maybe I'll calm down a little bit.
Scott Benner 24:24
And that's an arbitrary distance that you've set in your head.
Unknown Speaker 24:28
Yeah, yeah. It's like that doctor said to you,
Samantha 24:30
right? No, no, the dog. I mean, the doctor hasn't said anything that make us think that anything will be wrong. So but it's just me in my head.
Unknown Speaker 24:40
Are you
Scott Benner 24:42
superstitious? As
Unknown Speaker 24:47
in what way I don't
Scott Benner 24:48
know, I don't know like the accounting steps or like, you know, oh, no, no, no. So this is just something that because I did something similar. setting an arbitrary date for myself. Like when Arden was diagnosed, I said myself in a year, it'll be better. Like in a year I'll understand. And I took it. So literally, in my own mind, even though I'd never shared it out loud with anybody that on the anniversary of her diagnosis when I wasn't super great at taking care of type one diabetes, like, Oh my gosh, what a letdown. The year it didn't happen. Yeah, so I just reset my clock. So you know, it's probably two years. That's probably how
Unknown Speaker 25:24
it Yeah.
Scott Benner 25:25
But it is interesting how we do that. Like, we just like, oh, if I make it this far, if we do this, I talked about health that way. In my personal life, I'm always like, you know, like, there's, I don't know, like goals in my mind. Like, oh, if you make it to 21, that's good. You know what I mean? If you don't get really, yeah, you're 30 that probably means you might not get cancer until you're 16. Like, like, all these stupid things that have nothing to do with reality.
Unknown Speaker 25:47
Whatever makes you feel better, though. Exactly.
Scott Benner 25:48
Like whatever you can tell yourself. So yeah, so you've said, Okay, I want to get past I'll maybe I'll feel better than,
Unknown Speaker 25:55
yeah, what does
Scott Benner 25:56
that mean day to day? Like? Do you wake up every day worried? Or for the most part, are you free and easy?
Samantha 26:03
It's not like I'm worried constantly. I think if I think too much about it, and what happened then I start getting worried. Like, currently we last time I was at the doctor we did, they did took my blood to do the the screening testing. And like, even though everything came back fine for the last pregnancy, and they told us the chances of something not coming back fine this time, are really low. Like, I'm still like, just like waiting for something to be wrong, almost. Which sounds so bad, but it's just that's kind of how my mind works. So luckily, I have my husband, he's like the positive one. So he balances me out. But it's just, if I think about it too much. That's when I start freaking out. So
Unknown Speaker 26:43
it overwhelms you a little bit. Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 26:45
Yeah.
Scott Benner 26:46
Well, the good news is, is that towards the end of the pregnancy, you won't be able to think at all. So the energy or the wherewithal to worry about anything. Just be like look at me, baby. Let's come in. It's fine. Yeah, somebody pink that room, please scramble
Unknown Speaker 27:00
to get ready for it to come. Oh, please,
Scott Benner 27:03
you get that placenta brain at some point. And like you just I looked at people before I was like, Kelly was such a bright person before I got her pregnant. I don't know what happened. she snapped back out. Let's talk about the diabetes a little bit. Okay. I'm assuming you've said sort of goals for yourself? Have you made adjustments to your diet? Have you like, what is it you're doing to keep your agency where you want it to be? And how are you accomplishing it?
Samantha 27:30
When I first was diagnosed, I started with my range being like 70, to 180. And I just progressively lowered it. Because, I mean, I did a lot of research. So I know what like normal blood sugar should be. And I figured if mine was as close to that as possible, then that would be good. And so currently, before I was pregnant, my range was 70 to 130. And I was staying in range pretty much 90% of the time. And when I got pregnant, I changed it to 80 to 120. So that's what I'm going off of now. And I don't really I mean, I limit what I eat to the point of like, if my blood sugar is high, I'm not going to eat like a piece of bread, because I don't want to deal with that. But if usually when my like, I mean, I don't really have too much issue with my blood sugar. So I kind of just eat what I want, but I don't eat things. Like, I don't remember the last time I had cereal, just because every time I try that it goes really bad. And I don't really want to put the effort into figuring it out. I don't I don't eat pasta very often, but I eat like I different things that kind of substitute for pasta.
Scott Benner 28:46
Is this any different really than what you were doing prior to this pregnancy? like butter? No, no, you just sort of continuing on with what you found work for yourself.
Samantha 28:55
Yeah, I kind of think even like I thought I was gonna get a lot more strict with what I was eating when I found out I was pregnant. But I think I've gotten a little bit more lacks because like, of my cravings. So I never ate bread before I got pregnant again. But I've been craving bread. So I have bread almost every day. And I figured out how to Bolus for it. So everything's been fine.
Scott Benner 29:17
Plus, you get to say things like the baby one spread.
Unknown Speaker 29:19
Yeah. Do I use that a lot?
Scott Benner 29:23
I don't know why you would not. My wife said that when she was pregnant with my son. She wanted like junky food. Like it was like fast.
Samantha 29:32
craving carby food.
Scott Benner 29:35
And then with Arden it was all fruits and vegetables. Oh, she was a completely different feeling. She never felt in control of either of the feelings. Yeah, it's really, really interesting. Meanwhile, our kids don't eat fast food. So it's not like it like stuck to them. I don't think it was a I don't think you're training them. But it was really it was really something else. To watch the cravings come and for her not to be able to explain them and then do that. Now I, you know, she didn't have to think about doing insulin with that. My next question is, I don't want to freak you out. Like I don't want to say something where Samantha's like, I never thought of that. Well, Scott, thanks.
Unknown Speaker 30:16
You can ask me whatever.
Scott Benner 30:19
I know for an adult, especially someone living by themselves now you're not by yourself, you're with your husband. I'm assuming you're not always together. He's probably out right now feeling the weight of the world trying to make as much money as he can to send a baby to college. How much do you think about I can't get disabled with a low blood sugar because I'm pregnant?
Samantha 30:39
Um, it doesn't really, I mean, I worry about it. We have like, my husband gets like alerts when my blood sugar goes below a certain amount. And we have I had the sugar mate app, so it sends him my location if it gets like urgently low. Um, but I don't really have lows. often enough where I'm like, worried about it. And since my my low alarm is set at 80, I'm pretty like, I get it. I'm on top of it. And
Scott Benner 31:12
Arden was dehydrated yesterday. And that's important. Well, you'll see why in a second. First of all, you should know that this is an ad for the dexcom g six continuous glucose monitor. And that you can get it by going to dexcom.com Ford slash juice box. Okay, let's get back to the story. for about three and a half hours. Yesterday afternoon. Arden was completely dehydrated. We couldn't get her rehydrated. And we were using a lot of insulin to keep her blood sugar somewhere in check. But it was high. So we finally got her hydrated, got her blood sugar down, but I knew in the back of my head. This is gonna come back to bite us sometime tonight when she's sleeping. And sure enough it did. As a matter of fact, Arden's blood sugar fell pretty quickly after she fell asleep. And it got dangerously low. How do I know that happened? Her Dexcom g six continuous glucose monitor sent me an alert right to my iPhone. A couple of quick beeps told me Hey, you should wake up Scott. Something's not right. I went to Arden treated her blood sugar, made adjustments to her insulin and watched her blood sugar come back up to a safe range without getting high, which allowed me to go back to sleep and sleep the rest of the night comfortably. If this sounds like something you'd be interested in, go to dexcom.com forward slash juicebox and get started today. There are also links in the show notes of your podcast player and at Juicebox podcast.com. Please remember that these results are personal and yours may vary. I was alerted through Dexcom follow which is available for iOS and Android supported phones are listed@dexcom.com I am genuinely not sure where we would be some days without the Dexcom I hope you give it a try.
Unknown Speaker 33:00
Have you ever had a bad well?
Unknown Speaker 33:02
Yeah. Okay. Yeah.
Scott Benner 33:03
So you know what it is to
Unknown Speaker 33:06
say that?
Scott Benner 33:07
Yes, we do. Were you so low when that happened that you couldn't help yourself or No, I've
Unknown Speaker 33:12
never been to the point where I can't help myself. Okay, I've never, like passed out or anything. Are you having any weird fluctuations with your blood sugar now that you're pregnant, like highs or lows that you can't explain?
Samantha 33:23
Uh, yeah, my bazel is changed a ton. I use the loop with Omni pod. So that's been really helpful. Um, and when I was right before we found out and like right after we found out for a couple weeks, my bazel was up like 50%. And then that stayed like that for a few weeks. And now I think I'm getting into the I heard like, in your early pregnancy, you start getting lows. So I'm starting to get in like this last weekend, my bazel was down 50% than normal. So I'm starting to get into that. I just I constantly changed my bazel
Scott Benner 34:03
I was gonna say you made it You made a change to your basal rate on your own. You're like I'm cutting this in half.
Samantha 34:08
Oh, yeah, I do everything myself. My my end. Oh, trust me a lot.
Scott Benner 34:12
That's excellent. That's really cool. Well, what you don't have to tell me exactly where but what part of the country? You're on the west coast. Is that right?
Samantha 34:19
Yeah, I'm in Orange County, California.
Scott Benner 34:22
Yeah. Samantha's given me her dress. Exactly. Okay, so do you have Are you working?
Samantha 34:29
Yeah, I work full time and I go to do school. So.
Scott Benner 34:34
Oh, wait, hold on. You work full time and you're in school?
Samantha 34:37
Yeah, but my school is online. I do Asus online program.
Scott Benner 34:42
Okay, and what are you trying to? What are you getting a degree in?
Samantha 34:45
I am graduating in next month. Actually. I have one month left and I'll get have my BA in Spanish.
Scott Benner 34:53
Oh, that's very cool. Now what do you because let me tell you why I say that. My son is a sophomore in college. has been taking Spanish at a high level like AP and like all that Spanish and I think he was in eighth grade and speaks almost no Spanish. Is that common?
Samantha 35:12
Um, I don't know, I really like Spanish. So, like, I just fell in love with the language. When I was in high school, I had a really great Spanish teacher for one of my years. So I really like it. I I don't like to tell people I can speak Spanish, but I can hold my own. I don't like the pressure.
Scott Benner 35:29
That's why I see you don't want to like screw up in front of somebody who's like, well, I actually like Spanish. So let's, let's hear it.
Samantha 35:36
I get really nervous. Yeah.
Scott Benner 35:37
Oh, no. So if I said to you right now, to introduce yourself and say that you have type one diabetes, and you're pregnant in Spanish, you start getting freaked out?
Unknown Speaker 35:47
Yeah. Like I would probably forget how to speak English. Well,
Scott Benner 35:54
what are you hoping to do with the degree I hope it's not speak Spanish?
Samantha 35:59
Well, originally, when I first started going to school, I wanted to be a teacher. So that wasn't my plan. But now I work for a law firm. And I really, really enjoy that. So I like my job. So I'm going to stick with my job. And then after I'm done with my bachelor's, I'm going to get my paralegal certificate, most likely. And then I told my husband that like down the line, like when we've had our kids, and they're like, older and stuff, maybe I'll go to law school or something. But we'll see I always change my mind.
Scott Benner 36:34
Well, at least you'll always have Spanish, which I think is a really big deal. My son's like, I'm not gonna take it this semester. And I was like, I said, Okay, and I said, are we getting away from this? Because you've been after for a long time. And he's like, Yeah, I just, I'm not good at it. You know, what do you mean? And then you look, he's great. You're Excellent. So he can, he can test and like, he does really well in the classes. And I think he speaks better than he believes he does.
Unknown Speaker 37:02
Yeah, probably. But he just doesn't. I don't know if he's just nervous or embarrassed, or I don't know exactly what it is. Yeah. And it's hard if you don't have anybody to practice
Scott Benner 37:11
with. Exactly, and you can't practice with me. So I I please, you guys have heard me speak. I don't speak English that well. But I said to him, I'm like, How close are you to a minor in Spanish? And then he said to me, he's like, I am really close to it. So yeah, you have to like, like, go and get like, not take one more semester. And and you know, and he's like, no, I Well, I was like, okay, so hopefully he will. Alright, so Samantha real quick. Just say your name and that you have type one diabetes and Spanish go.
Samantha 37:43
May Allah Samantha he single diabetes? People who No,
Unknown Speaker 37:50
see? Huh?
Unknown Speaker 37:52
Did you enjoy? Did you start crying at all? Yeah.
Scott Benner 37:58
Honestly, just did the mess with you. I didn't really need you to say, sorry, I'm sorry. I feel like we're getting friendly. Yeah. Okay, so Samantha, now that you have diabetes, and you're having a baby, have you had the thought? I wonder if my baby will have diabetes?
Unknown Speaker 38:16
Yeah,
Samantha 38:17
I'm really worried about it. Because it's so expensive.
Scott Benner 38:21
I liked it. That's why you thought of it. It's really the cost is there is the issue. So tell me how it makes you feel.
Samantha 38:27
I just like, I know that me having diabetes doesn't really like increase the chances all that much. But I mean, we still worry about it. It's just a lot. It's just a lot of work for me. And I know how I feel about it. And I feel like if I was doing it, like I don't like for you doing your daughter's diabetes. Like, I feel like that's so much responsibility, and so much stress, like because you don't want to mess them up. So I feel like my diabetes will be put on a backburner. And then that's all I'd be focusing on. Is them.
Unknown Speaker 39:02
Interesting.
Scott Benner 39:04
I can see that being a concern. And I can see, I could see that happening too. But what I hear from most people who have diabetes as an adult, and then go on to have a child who has type one is that the what's the word? I guess the responsibility that they feel towards being a good, not just slow model, a model and steward of their child's diabetes actually causes them to do better for themselves? Normally, from what I've heard from people over and over again, then then the opposite.
Samantha 39:43
That makes sense. We'll see like, my thing would be like my kids not gonna know what my
Unknown Speaker 39:46
blood sugar's are. You wouldn't want to know.
Samantha 39:49
Well, they could know but like, what if they don't, they'll be like, I doesn't matter what mine is. What matters what's yours.
Scott Benner 39:57
So it'd be that thing, like when your parents are being like hypocritical about something. You don't do this and you're like, yo, but you do that all the time. Like that kind of thing.
Unknown Speaker 40:05
Yeah,
Samantha 40:05
I don't know I've been so my I've been so like on top of things. I don't know how much I'll probably I probably say that I'm going to get more lenient with mine, but I'll probably be the exact same. It's just like, being a number above. I'm crazy when I see a number above like 141 50 I'm like, Oh my gosh, I need to fix this right now.
Scott Benner 40:25
Well, first of all good. I think that's reasonable. I don't want you to be crazy about it. But I see one to get a blood sugar back down from 140 Ardennes was stuck yesterday at like 170 for a while. And I was you know, I was driving me crazy. All the big guns to get it down. Like Yeah, you know, like, I didn't just look at it and think I hope this comes back. I got actively working towards it. I had a thought in my head and it just left me. That doesn't usually happen to me. This could be my end right here. I'm getting closer to 50. You said about your punch hugger. Oh, hold on a second. I have to go backwards through my thoughts better. Oh, my God, I'm lost. Okay, I'm sorry. I they,
Unknown Speaker 41:08
if it's important, you'll remember,
Scott Benner 41:10
is that what you say? Is that's how you make yourself feel better when you forget?
Unknown Speaker 41:14
Yeah,
Scott Benner 41:15
I sort of, um, I don't know if it comes across in the podcast, but I really don't plan ahead. So these hours are conversations me hearing you and coming up with questions and saying things and you saying things in return. And when when I don't know what I'm going to say next. I feel like I feel like I failed you just now. Like I feel like we have a wall shut the recording off and like be done with it. Like, Oh, my gosh, got this. The podcast is done. Now he can't he can't think ahead of what he wants to say. But I think that if you if you're that I remembered I knew it. I knew I would remember. So I had a question for you. You said a second ago. You keep thinking you're going to get more relaxed or lacks with your your care, but then you don't what makes you think that you'll get more laxed about it as time goes on?
Unknown Speaker 42:06
Um,
Samantha 42:08
because like, I don't know, I think that may be I'll be okay with being under 150 instead of having to be under 120. But I mean, I don't know, I feel a difference, like when I'm over 120. Or if I'm under one hundred, like, so like my body knows. But I don't think that I'll change it much. But like, maybe when I'm dealing with chasing a kid around, if my blood sugar goes above 130 I won't like think, Oh, I need to stop what I'm doing and fixes right now. I'll be like, I'll deal with it after this kid is dressed.
Scott Benner 42:43
So you're saying that you think that as life begins to build on itself and you have more and more things to do? And yeah, it's time that the thing you might give away is, um, when your blood sugar where you want it to be?
Samantha 42:55
Yeah, and it's not like I don't see myself ever like being okay with super high for my standards, blood sugar. But I mean, being under 150 I could maybe see myself being okay with just
Scott Benner 43:09
like be now do you think that would be a scenario where it was like, hey, it's Tuesday, and I'm really busy. And my blood sugar was 145 all day and I just kind of didn't do anything about it? Or are you saying that you can see your blood sugar? average of 145 being the norm for you every day of the week?
Samantha 43:25
Oh, no, not I don't think my average will ever be like that. I think just like in the moment like I don't have time to focus on getting this. I mean, if my blood sugar is at 145 all day, then there's something going on. Like it's being stubborn, and I don't have the time to focus on what do I need to do to get it to come down? Yeah.
Scott Benner 43:47
Okay. So you just you're saying run around chasing the kid one day, things are going crazy. I might not take the chance to bump my blood sugar with like a little quarter of a unit or half a unit of insulin or something like that to try to like just move off of this number. Okay, yeah. Okay. So you're a fairly focused person when it comes to is this common for you in the rest of your life? Because you're talking about your blood sugar in a way that I think is, you know, is the way I talk about it, but at the same time, I think it's, you're not a person looking to have higher blood sugars, you can feel the difference you're looking for lower? Is that how you are in the rest of your life? Are you particular about things? I don't know what the right word is?
Unknown Speaker 44:27
Um, I don't, I don't.
Scott Benner 44:31
Because it's your health, I guess is what I'm asking.
Unknown Speaker 44:33
Yeah,
Samantha 44:34
I mean, I am. When I want to do something and the other aspects of my life. I am like, I put effort into that too. But I mean, I don't know my husband probably will say that. I'm very particular. But
Scott Benner 44:48
so if I, if I'm reading a magazine, and I toss it on the floor next to the sofa, How many times will you be able to walk past it before you either yell at me about it or pick it up?
Samantha 44:57
Well, I'll ask for. I'll be like Can you pick that up? And then usually my husband will be like, oh, I'll do it in a second. And then I'll be like, no, next time I walk by, I'm going to pick it up. Gotcha. But I don't dwell on it. Like I just say it. Like I say, my, the thing is that I want him to do like, out loud, just so I can get it out of me. And then like, if I ended up having to do it, I just do it. And I don't like, stay mad about it. Because what's the point of being mad about something stupid like that. So that's the last 90 seconds of this podcast, every person should have to listen to before they get married.
Scott Benner 45:31
Because this is, I just I'm,
Unknown Speaker 45:34
I'll pick my battles, I'm
Scott Benner 45:36
imagining my wife standing next to us being able to hear us right now just nodding her head, like, Oh, this girl understands completely about what what to do. It's. So that's what I was wondering. And so I got it, I got it out even kind of a sideways way, but you're not a person who would leave a magazine laying on the floor, you know, she's gonna stare at a 145 and leave it there, I think to be honest with you, you're going to find a way to make that adjustment. Even in a busy day. You also might find that that busy day stops your blood sugar from being high like that. Maybe that extra running around and being busy will kind of naturally help you, you know, that exercise or as Jenny talks about, like, opened the doors to the cells and laid out the sugar.
Samantha 46:14
Yeah, that's one thing I am worried about. I'm not worried about low blood sugar right now. But I'm really worried about it when we have kids, because like, I can't be on it. Like I can't pass out from having low blood sugar when I have like, a three year old in the room with me, because I'm going to be alone with the kid. Every once in a while. I mean, it's inevitable being a parent. So that's what I am worried about.
Scott Benner 46:37
I'm imagining all the day drinking moms right now who are like, Oh, don't worry, they're fine for a couple of minutes. If you go conscious. I am, I have a hard time trying to put myself in the shoes of a person who has that situation in their life. I can't imagine what that feels like. Because I am very, you know, I've been a stay at home dad for coming up on 20 years now. And I take my job with my kids incredibly seriously. And so, you know, not only would you not want to be I'm assuming you don't want your kid to see you incapacitated, that's the first thing you don't want them. You know, you don't want to wake up a half an hour later and the kids riding the dog. And you know, down the stairs, you're like, oh, what else has happened while I've not been take because it's going to feel like even though it's completely I don't want to say it's out of your control. But But even though it's a medical scenario where you know, you didn't do it on purpose, right? Like mommy didn't grab like two glasses of wine and decide to take naps in the middle of the afternoon. Like you pass on a low blood sugar. It's still going to feel like it's gonna feel like you'll let them down like I know. Yeah,
Samantha 47:46
yeah. And usually when I get like lows, it's because I did something wrong. either. I gave myself too much insulin or I I usually when I have low blood sugar, it's because I messed up. So
Scott Benner 48:00
so you don't see a lot of loads that you can't trace a reason for.
Samantha 48:03
Yeah, it's usually because I didn't know how many carbs I was eating. So I over bolus is usually why I get low blood sugar.
Scott Benner 48:11
Gotcha. Have you um, have you experienced any honeymooning? But
Unknown Speaker 48:16
I wish I did. Do you really? Nice. Yeah.
Scott Benner 48:20
I don't know. I was just talking to somebody yesterday that wishes their kids honeymooning would stop. So Oh,
Samantha 48:24
my, I feel like I had to get used to like using so much insulin because, like the higher numbers kind of freaked me out. But, um, but now I'm kind of. I'm a little bit past it. But sometimes, I mean, I give myself lots of insulin at once. But I don't know what lots of insulin is. what's what's off insulin for me.
Scott Benner 48:45
Right? Yeah. What's the number that makes you feel like wow, I just gave myself a lot of insulin.
Samantha 48:50
If I get to 10 or more, that's when I feel a little bit uneasy, and I usually break it up. Even though I know I need that much for what I'm eating.
Scott Benner 49:01
I get that. I didn't quite do that yesterday with Arden but I I got to a number where I was like, What if she doesn't eat all this? And I don't usually feel like that. But she was, you know, she had left. I know some people know that when we leave doctor's appointments. Rn gets like chicken and waffles after doctors thing. And so there was chicken and waffles and there was something else. But then she usually does this thing where she just has a little bit of the chicken and then halfway through the waffles goes up so far.
Unknown Speaker 49:33
He's like, No, you're not.
Scott Benner 49:34
Arden has a thing she called. She says I hit a limit. So but she doesn't know it's coming. It's so vile. I don't know if I've ever talked about it on here. But she'll be you know, laughing and having lunch and having a great time. Big fork full of waffle. And this happened yesterday. And the fork full of waffle goes in her mouth and she takes about three like chews on it and then grabs a napkin and puts it in an apple Kenny goes, Oh, I almost threw up. What I'm like what happens? Just I've hit my limit. And she's not kidding. She's like, kidding. she feels like she's gotten to a spot where like, that's it, I shouldn't eat anymore. And it it, it physically like changes how she feels when she hits that spot. So I,
Samantha 50:17
what do you do? If you already bullish for everything, please just shut off her bazel.
Scott Benner 50:22
And you know, in that situation I already kind of did a little less thinking that the thing would happen. But it turns out I still didn't do enough. I was still bolusing 20 minutes later, it's like, oh, this is way too much. Oh, was it because it's one of those places that doesn't have sugar free Sarah. So it's she's eating like, you know, it's a waffle.
Unknown Speaker 50:43
Yeah,
Scott Benner 50:44
spun sugar on top of it. And but what would I do in a normal scenario? Yeah, I would completely take away bazel insulin, try to trade out some of the, you know, the Bolus for Basal If I could, you know, start, you know, paying more attention.
Unknown Speaker 51:00
Yeah, I
Scott Benner 51:01
did test with a meter to make sure that the CGM, you know, given me good information that I can really work with, like start getting a little more careful.
Samantha 51:09
Yeah, is the Dexcom pretty accurate for you guys? Like on a normal basis? Yeah.
Scott Benner 51:14
Yeah, absolutely. I, you know, I think most people talk about the first day, as being a little like, you can be shaky. I find it's more like the first hours. Like, I don't have trouble through the whole first day. And usually what trouble means mostly, is that it's off by like, usually 3040 points in the first couple hours when you know when that that wire, I call it a wire and if that's the right, you know, the sensor wire is still sort of getting, I guess wet with your interstitial fluid, right? It's Yeah, still kind of soaking in and finding a balance. That's not a technical description of how the decks
Samantha 51:55
but I love the decks calm. I. I yeah, I when I don't when it's not working. It's just like the end of the
Unknown Speaker 52:03
world for me. With my best friend go, yeah,
Samantha 52:08
I really, technology is my best friend. I can't admit I like can't even fathom being diagnosed in like, 1980.
Scott Benner 52:15
Yeah, no, it's hard to it's hard to think about. I do love Arden's meter, though. She has a meter that she uses the Contour. Next One. And I like that one. It's really, the accuracy is insane. And it matches up with the G six. almost perfectly. Yeah. So I have a lot of comfort that comes from that because it is, I mean, I don't think I'm talking about a school I think is the best rated blood sugar meter. As far as it is. I did research about it. And so I'm using that. And it matches up with a G six often, which gives me a lot of confidence in the G six, you know what I mean? So yeah, even on that first day, if her numbers are matching my expectation even I still kind of go with it, because it's the first day. But the minute something like happens on that first day of a new g six sensor where you're like, this doesn't make any sense, then I check. Yeah, but I don't think we test except for around a low. You know, after the first day she probably doesn't test for the next nine days, maybe three or four times.
Samantha 53:23
Yeah, my endo he said that he trusted the dexcom over the blood the the meter every single time. So I did like a little test where I did not test my blood sugar with my meter. Like I did it maybe once a week through the three month period to see what the like the estimates on that the app gives you compared to what my a one C was and it was like right on
Scott Benner 53:48
so I have amazing that's how I think about it too. Like when people are like you know when when g six first came out, they're like, is it accurate? I'm like well I'll be able to tell you after like a first a full three months and then a one say like you know was the a one c match with the CGM has been telling me and it really does. So now please, it's you know, I talk about all the time, but I don't I'm not very good at this without that CGM. I don't think honestly too. It's taught me so much.
Unknown Speaker 54:13
Yeah,
Scott Benner 54:14
that when it's gone, and I think this will happen for you at some point those like two hour warm up periods and stuff like that. You're not as lost. Yeah, have such good, like historical data about what happens that you can kind of picture in your head sometimes, like I know, happening right now. It's
Unknown Speaker 54:29
a very good feeling.
Samantha 54:30
It's crazy. When I was first diagnosed, I was using novolog and I saw how long it took sometimes I would Pre-Bolus an hour and it would still I would still get the spike. And so I like went to my endo and I was like freaking out I was like I like my blood sugar is going up like it's spiking so much and I'm I don't know what to do do I like I can't eat anything without spiking and then he changed my insulin and like it's been
Unknown Speaker 55:00
chewed up and Dexcom I wouldn't even know. Yeah, changing your actual like, like insulin. Yeah, I
Samantha 55:05
use vs now.
Unknown Speaker 55:07
Ah, okay. And that's working better for you. It's amazing. Yeah, I love it good
Scott Benner 55:12
for you. That's excellent. Arden uses a Piedra and it's, it's perfect for us. So I'm very happy that we found that because we were in the same situation. years ago where no vlog all I ever saw were like two hours up and two hours down. And it was just constantly like that. And one day, someone said to me, you know, why don't you try a different insulin? And it was so long ago that that, I was like, wow, I could just do that. Like, yeah, just try a different insulin. I was like, Okay, which one do you use? And I was like, Alright, I'll try that one.
Unknown Speaker 55:44
And then sure, no crazy how different influence affect people differently.
Scott Benner 55:49
Yeah, you absolutely have to. You have to remember that the the the first anything that someone put in your hand is just the thing that they thought to give you it doesn't. I used to think of novolog insulin because it was given to us at the hospital and she was diagnosed and you know, there's other insulins. So yeah, you can you can, you can try different things. It's your it's your diabetes, it's your life.
Unknown Speaker 56:11
Exactly. It's him. So
Scott Benner 56:12
how did this go for you?
Unknown Speaker 56:15
It went well, I
Samantha 56:15
think did the recording? Did I stop making the noise on the microphone?
Unknown Speaker 56:20
Did were you thinking about it the whole time? Yeah, I've been holding the microphone.
Scott Benner 56:23
No, I'm part of universities. I feel bad about this.
Unknown Speaker 56:29
That's fine.
Scott Benner 56:30
So we are going to if you're, um, it seems like you'd have a good time. So I'm going to put this up. I don't normally do this. This is going to go up? No.
Unknown Speaker 56:37
Okay,
Scott Benner 56:38
this is gonna go up on Tuesday.
Samantha 56:40
Oh, wow. That's what I was gonna ask you. Everyone's been asking me my family's very excited about this.
Scott Benner 56:45
Tell them I'm excited to thank you very much. I am I want I guess I just told them, but I want it to be in real time with our conversations. So I would like I'm going to have this one go up. And then a few months from now, you and I are we're already booked out. We have them all right. Yeah.
Samantha 57:00
Yeah, I booked them all out. Because I'm a planner.
Scott Benner 57:03
I could see this by the way. I like because you're gonna really you're gonna be you know, you're going to be bringing your A game. So we're gonna, I'm gonna put this up this week. And then three months from now, we're going to talk again and again and you're gonna get more and more and more pregnant and closer to having your baby and we'll get to do that. Will you? Will you tell the world what sex your baby is on this podcast? Are you keep up?
Samantha 57:28
Yeah, you know, we're gonna, we're gonna find out. We'll probably know next week. So next time we talk, we'll know.
Scott Benner 57:34
I'm so excited. And is there any chance we're gonna call the baby Scott?
Samantha 57:39
know if it's a boy, we already know what it's gonna be named. My husband really wants to boy, I have to tell you how disappointed he is next time.
Scott Benner 57:48
So, if it's a girl that this story is gonna be, hey, the pregnancy is going great. I'm having a little girl. My husband and I have separated like that.
Unknown Speaker 58:00
Definitely not. I
Unknown Speaker 58:01
don't know. He's really excited to say as long as he sends the money, it's fine. You can do whatever you want.
Unknown Speaker 58:07
So I like him.
Scott Benner 58:09
So we should say your husband's name. We haven't done that. His name is Wayne. Okay, so Wayne really wants a boy.
Samantha 58:16
Yeah, and I I mean, I want it to be healthy. But I was in a mindset for a girl last time so I'd like girl just cuz I bought a lot of girl stuff. So the boys gonna be wearing pink.
Scott Benner 58:29
Why? Just when when a boy. Do you know why?
Samantha 58:33
I don't know. Don't don't. Dad's always want boys know. I like a little little boy to play. We're really big baseball family. So your son playing baseball is really cool. And if our kid doesn't want to play baseball will be very sad.
Scott Benner 58:47
See how I get that act like it doesn't matter what you have. But my son does play baseball in college. So I am getting I am getting what I wanted and get to act like it would have been fine if it didn't happen.
Samantha 58:56
Yeah, we love baseball. That's how we pick our trips. We're trying to visit all the baseball stadiums.
Unknown Speaker 59:01
Do you really? Oh, that's
Samantha 59:02
Yeah, we just went to Arizona last week to go see, we're a Padre. I'm a padres fan because I'm from San Diego but my husband's from Orange County. So he's a Dodgers fan. Okay, so we always go and see them play when we go travel.
Scott Benner 59:15
How happy are you with
Unknown Speaker 59:18
Dodgers plan?
Scott Benner 59:20
As a padres fan? How happy are you that you got? Oh my god. What's
Unknown Speaker 59:24
his name? MANNY Machado Machado. Yeah,
Samantha 59:27
I think we spent too much money on him.
Scott Benner 59:29
I was so happy when the Phillies didn't take him.
Samantha 59:32
Oh man. Yeah, he's just too expensive. I
Unknown Speaker 59:34
think Bryce Harper has been good.
Scott Benner 59:36
I'm happy that he's the one we got out of this. He's got 30 home runs hundred RBI is 30. Something else he's
Samantha 59:42
doing? Yeah. It's It's so sad. And Andres is just like I'm just the Padres fan for life. But an October I transfer over to being a Dodgers fan because you continue to watch baseball.
Unknown Speaker 59:55
Yeah.
Scott Benner 59:58
The idea of going to different stadiums Really like I am hamstrung in this area. So while you're excited that my son plays baseball, my son is such a baseball player. He doesn't particularly enjoy watching baseball.
Samantha 1:00:10
Oh, really? That's interesting.
Unknown Speaker 1:00:12
I get it. Yeah, he says when exactly I used to play. Sorry, go I don't know. Please go. I'm
Samantha 1:00:16
sorry. I was just gonna say I used to play softball growing up, and I hate watching softball,
Scott Benner 1:00:21
because you feel like you should be playing.
Samantha 1:00:24
Maybe that's it. I never really knew why I would just I guess it's just I would rather be playing so I don't like why watch it.
Unknown Speaker 1:00:29
I don't know.
Scott Benner 1:00:31
Because the entire time he's at a baseball game. He just thinks I wish I was playing baseball.
Unknown Speaker 1:00:35
I'm sure husband does that too. I did he
Samantha 1:00:38
Yeah, he played he played at SDSU.
Scott Benner 1:00:41
Nice. So he wants to teach a kid how to like throw and
Samantha 1:00:43
yeah, he was a pitcher. He's a really excited.
Scott Benner 1:00:46
What do what do you do? Right? This this baby comes out. It's a boy. Wayne names and you know, after his favorite baseball player, kid, trips, zone feet isn't athletic at all. What do you think Wayne? Does
Unknown Speaker 1:01:00
he just, we we just cut our losses and leave it again?
Scott Benner 1:01:05
Yeah. Just like, Hey, buddy, chew it over to the food court. We'll be there in a minute. And then that's it after all this work. Man, I'm glad you have a good sense of humor. This could have gone so many different ways. I never look into people far enough to figure out how it's gonna go. I think that's why the podcast ends up being fun. It's because it's because I really don't know who you are. When we start talking. I think if I pre planned it too much and found out too much about you.
Unknown Speaker 1:01:35
You know, questions to ask because you already know
Scott Benner 1:01:37
wouldn't be good. Like, there was an episode A while ago, where the person was just so like, loving and, and just like a wonderful soul. And as I was talking to her, I just thought this is so nice. I'm glad I didn't know this about her when we started talking. Like it was interesting to find out while we were talking, you know, and you have a great sense of humor, because you obviously have been through something terrible. And it's impacting you, but you're not letting it stop you. And I think that's fantastic.
Unknown Speaker 1:02:05
Yeah, really.
Samantha 1:02:07
If you don't laugh about it, then you're just gonna cry. So
Scott Benner 1:02:10
I'm super excited that we're doing this. Thank you so much.
Unknown Speaker 1:02:12
I yeah. Thank
Unknown Speaker 1:02:13
you.
Scott Benner 1:02:14
I hope you enjoy it when it comes out. And I can't wait to talk again.
Unknown Speaker 1:02:17
Yeah, I'm so excited. Thank you so much. Welcome. You have to
Scott Benner 1:02:19
learn how to say some stuff in Spanish for me, like you know, you're listening to the Juicebox Podcast and stuff like that. I think this is gonna be a terrific ride with Samantha. I hope you agree. Thanks so much to Dexcom and dancing for diabetes for sponsoring this episode of the Juicebox Podcast. You can find links to them and all of the podcast sponsors in your podcast app at Juicebox podcast.com. And of course by typing them into the browser dexcom.com forward slash juice box. Dancing the number four diabetes.com you know what else is available? Juicebox podcast.com merchandise t shirts, flip flops, stuff like that fun stuff that says Pre-Bolus Juicebox Podcast bold with insulin. You go look you'll see. And don't forget a new private forum. Right there on Facebook where you guys can talk. This is a private space, where you can discuss how things are going ask questions of other listeners talk about today's episode or past episodes, whatever you want. The only real rules are be nice, be human, be helpful.
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#258 Defining Diabetes: Pre Bolus
Defining Diabetes: Pre Bolus
Scott and Jenny Smith, CDE define the terms at the center of your type 1 diabetes care
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Scott Benner 0:00
Defining diabetes is made possible by Dexcom on the pod and dancing for diabetes, please remember that nothing you hear on the Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice, medical or otherwise, always consult a physician before becoming bold with insulin, or making any changes to your medical plan. I wanted to find Pre-Bolus Jenny, because I believe that if you just Pre-Bolus, you can knock about a point off your a one say it's not the first step when I talk to people, the first step is always we need to get your basal insulin right. But Pre-Bolus is incredibly important. Mm hmm. People don't do it for what I think of is probably two basic reasons. One is no one ever explained to them what it was, which is fascinating. And the second one is, they'll say, I don't need on a schedule. I'm a free loving person. I'm all cool and hip, and everything about my life is free and easy. And it's hard for me to tie myself down man, like, like, right here, then they'll complain about their budget or being high for five hours in the fight they were and I was like, we just need five seconds worth of focus about 15 minutes before you eat. So let's define Pre-Bolus first.
Jennifer Smith, CDE 1:11
So Pre-Bolus thing essentially, is when you take insulin at a set time before keyword there before actually starting to take your first bite of food allows time for our poorly named rapid acting insulin to get more active in the system. Because food specifically carbs have very quick impact. The saliva in your mouth starts to break things down so that when it gets to your gut, it's gonna be easier even to break down. So taking insulin, before you start to eat, goal being about 15 minutes, give or take. But a 15 minute rule of thumb to start with if you've never been doing it, and you're hearing this and like, oh, let's give that a try. 15 minutes is a good rule of thumb to sell,
Scott Benner 2:05
and then you can find out. I tell people all the time, you can use your CGM to figure out your Pre-Bolus time, people will be like it's longer, it's shorter, whatever, I don't know what you're gonna be. But you can get your blood sugar stable at a lower number, right like 30, nice and stable 130 for a couple hours, get all the insulin out of you then hit yourself with a bolus that you think's going to take you to 90 and see how long it takes for that to start moving. Right? Once your blood sugar starts moving, that distance of time is about about what your Pre-Bolus is. I just saw something. So I googled it right while you were speaking. Uh huh. I was gonna do that thing where I'm like, Jenny, now I'm gonna read the definition from the internet. And the seriously satis thing happened and I'm not joking. The second return for the words Pre-Bolus definition are from Arden's day in the Juicebox Podcast, I can't believe how is that possible? Awesome. No, it's not awesome. It should be like coming from like nine hospitals and like, like,
Jennifer Smith, CDE 3:01
well, I'm saying that it's awesome that it's there at all.
Scott Benner 3:05
But yeah, but the point is, is that what does Google Search just told me was is that nobody tells people about this. It's literally not.
Jennifer Smith, CDE 3:14
Are there any hospitals? Are there any hospitals that are even listed on your Google search? Are there any, like therapeutic
Scott Benner 3:22
to blockhouse? Mine. And then the next one that pops up is a definition for the word Bolus. And it says missing pre. So it's not even. Yeah, there's three things that say Pre-Bolus on it. And one of them is somebody saying I can't seem to do very well with my meal boluses. And it's somebody just complaining about Pre-Bolus. The word definition is excluded from the search. So I am the only search that has the word Pre-Bolus. And it's because on my blog posts, I have some of them tagged because they're about Pre-Bolus. Sure, but I just it's just really sad. Like, I listen, I did not set this up. I wish I did not be a genius. But I really got sad, like when I saw it, I mean, there's a Wikipedia entry. That's even not helpful. It says, a Pre-Bolus of insulin can combine a meal bolus and a correction bolus. When the blood sugar is above the target range before a meal. That's not accurately what a pre marlis is.
Jennifer Smith, CDE 4:21
And that's not at all the time.
Scott Benner 4:23
The timing of the bolus is a controllable variable to bring down the blood sugar level before eating again, causes it to increase.
Jennifer Smith, CDE 4:33
That's entirely wrong. That's right.
Scott Benner 4:36
Yeah, sad. Okay.
Jennifer Smith, CDE 4:38
I never look at Wikipedia for any Oh,
Scott Benner 4:40
yeah, that's not I'm just saying that's the only other thing that popped up like that. Yeah. That's so sad. Right? Okay, so we'll change that. I'm gonna get what Jenny? I'm going to take this audio and I'm going to build a web page. It's just about Pre-Bolus. And I'm gonna make sure I'm gonna get people write blog articles about it, and I'm gonna turn it to a thing because Listen, here's my definition of Pre-Bolus. And I'm sure Jenny just said the same thing. I'm about to say Pre-Bolus sing or pre injecting or pre, whatever you want to call it. It's not really pre nine, if you really think about it, insulin does not go into your system and start working right away. Right? Say it all the time. It's not a light switch, you don't just flip a switch and it happens. Insulin right. So while to work. Mm hmm. You need the impact that that insulin is having on your blood sugar to coincide with the, the food or your you know, anything else, it's trying to make your blood sugar rise, you want to get involved in a fair fight. And I guess this is this place of time is to say it is all you know, it says, Oh my gosh, I just, I don't even know what I was just trying to say that this is a good place to say this. It's a tug of war that you don't want either side to win. And if you just yell, go and let both sides start pulling both sides being insulin on one side and carbs or body function on the other. If you just yell go, carbs and body function are always going to win because it takes a while for your insulin to come online. You need insulin in your body sooner, so that it comes online when the carbs start pulling so that instead of the broke getting jerked all the way on one side. And now that you know your carbs are winning this tug of war greatly, then all the sudden your insulin comes online starts pulling the by then it's too weak. Because you know you only bolus for the carbs you counted, you did not bolus for the momentum that the carbs now have or the distance between your target blood sugar and where it is now. You were 90 when you put the insulin in. Now you're 150 your blood sugar shooting up you have this momentum you have to stop you have to bring the number back and you have to cover the food but you only put in insulin for the food. But if you put that insulin in for the food in time for it to begin working when the the carbs try to pull on that rope, then the carbs can't move the rope because the insolence add its power then and it's fighting. So when you see somebody with a straight line on their CGM online, that's what's going on behind the scenes, the insulin and the carbs are embroiled in a battle that neither of them can win. Right? And then they hired they dropped the rope in the center of the rope is right where it started. And that's how my weird brain thinks about bolusing.
Jennifer Smith, CDE 7:16
So it's a very, it's a very good example of the tug of war I've used several times since you mentioned it because it's a very easy way to consider what your goal is in using Pre-Bolus it's very easy to comprehend even for kids. It's very easy to comprehend a game of tug of war 100%
Scott Benner 7:41
Sure, yes, for sports fans soccer fan. It's not Pre-Bolus things like playing without a goalie. Are you a baseball fan? It's like hitting off a little leaguer? Are you a football fan? It's like not having an offensive line expecting your quarterback not to get sack basketball, imagine they raised the hoop to 50 feet, right? Like these are the situations you're putting yourself in if you're not Pre-Bolus. And I'm telling you right now, this podcast is incredibly helpful. I mean that and I think you'll find it to be helpful. But if you just Pre-Bolus you're going to get an A one c reduction. That's it. I mean, the rest of it is hugely important. But this is this is this is 1 billion steps. It's understanding your basal insulin, which technically is Pre-Bolus saying right having the right bazel is nothing more or less than having your basal insulin be at the right power at the right time. Being you know, Pre-Bolus thing is having a meal insulin at the right power at the right time. Okay, I can't give away all the secrets or there won't be a podcast.
Jennifer Smith, CDE 8:40
Not true. There's always something to discuss with
Scott Benner 8:42
diabetes. Definitely not true. Jenny Smith is not just the delightful voice you hear on the Juicebox Podcast. She's also a real live person with a job and she works at integrated diabetes. If you'd like Jenny to help you in your personal journey with Type One Diabetes, go to integrated diabetes comm find Jenny's profile and send her an email. There's also links right here in the show notes about you know how you can do that. I think there's actually even a link there to her email. And there's a brief description of her you know, Bona Fie days Why it is you might want to give Jenny a ring. Thanks so much to the sponsors Dexcom on the pod and dancing for diabetes. There are links in your show notes at Juicebox podcast.com. Where you can find out more about the dexcom g six continuous glucose monitor. Figure out what's going on at dancing for diabetes.com and order a free no obligation pod experience get that's right a free no obligation demo of the Omni pod
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Jennifer holds a Bachelor’s Degree in Human Nutrition and Biology from the University of Wisconsin. She is a Registered (and Licensed) Dietitian, Certified Diabetes Educator, and Certified Trainer on most makes/models of insulin pumps and continuous glucose monitoring systems. You can reach Jenny at jennifer@integrateddiabetes.com
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#257 Kate Hall Can Fly
2020 Olympic Hopeful Kate Hall…
Can jump really, really….. really far!
Kate Hall was diagnosed with type 1 diabetes when she was 10 years old. Today she is training for the 2020 Summer Olympics in Tokyo.
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Scott Benner 0:00
Hey everyone, it's Scott and this is episode 257 of the Juicebox Podcast. Today's show is sponsored by Dexcom dancing for diabetes, and Omni pod, you can go to dancing for diabetes.com dexcom.com forward slash juicebox and my omnipod.com forward slash juicebox. You can also go to the links in your show notes, or Juicebox Podcast comm to find out more. Please remember that nothing you hear on the Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice, medical or otherwise, always consult a physician before becoming bold with insulin or making any changes to your health care plan. And guess who's on the show today.
Kate Hall 0:51
My name is Kate Hall. I am a professional track and field athlete specializing in long jump and the 100 meter. I was diagnosed with Type One Diabetes when I was 10 years old.
Unknown Speaker 1:03
I am 22 years old now and I live in Maine. Okay, just jump through the first 15 minutes of the show. Now I have to think of new things to talk about. That's fine.
Scott Benner 1:14
It'll give us more time to kind of dig into some of the questions I have about all this.
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Unknown Speaker 2:29
predict pretty close.
Scott Benner 2:31
How many different stories can there be in Maine?
Unknown Speaker 2:33
Right? Right, exactly.
Kate Hall 2:36
Yeah, so I was 10 years old. I was a very active kid, I was a very outgoing kid, pretty positive. And then one day, I was just suddenly really emotional. And I was around my friends. And I was really emotional. And they never really seen that side of me because I was always just so outgoing and positive and wanted to have fun. And they were like, What is going on? Like, something's clearly wrong. And then my parents started to notice changes to like, I was eating all the time, I was drinking lots of water, I was going to the bathroom a lot. And again, I was really emotional. I didn't want to get out of bed.
Scott Benner 3:21
What do you mean about emotional like, sad, angry, um, easy to set off,
Kate Hall 3:27
pretty much easy to set off. Um, I mean, being a 10 year old kid, when I was just at home, like when my family like I was a pretty determined child to get in fights all the time with them. But when I was in public with other people, friends and an extended family, I was like, extremely calm and just a very positive kid. But um,
Unknown Speaker 3:51
I remember.
Scott Benner 3:52
So you lost your social your social graces at some point,
Unknown Speaker 3:55
right? Yeah, yeah.
Scott Benner 3:57
Did you describe Yeah, you're describing a person who knows how to behave in public.
Unknown Speaker 4:01
Right, right. Yeah,
Kate Hall 4:04
I was I like my cousin's birthday party. They were having cake or some sort of treat and I wasn't able to have it that day. For some reason. I remember why. And I like totally, like, freaked out. And I was crying and like my cousin had never actually like, see me cry, because I didn't like to cry in front of other people. So that's like when they knew something was really wrong. And then I also like, didn't want to get out of bed. I didn't want to go anywhere, which wasn't like me, because I'm the type of person that likes to be really busy all the time and doing things and going places. And I just wanted to stay home and I was losing weight. And they knew there was a huge issue. So they brought me to the doctor. And he pretty much just said, Oh, you're having a growth spurt because you're eating more and drinking more water and go home. Come back a couple weeks if you're not feeling better, and that didn't really make sense to me. Because, yeah, I was eating more, but I was also losing weight and feeling horrible. Um, so my parents obviously weren't satisfied with that. So they did some research on their own. They went to Google and you know that that's usually the thing you don't want to do, because they'll come up with a whole bunch of
Unknown Speaker 5:17
stuff that you
Scott Benner 5:18
you have the internet. That's amazing. How far into the woods. Did you have to go to the log cabin? Where you met the doctor? Is it a couple day walk? Or? I'm just kidding. I know nothing. I know nothing about Maine.
Kate Hall 5:29
That's Well, that's like that's like what people think Maine, as is like, log cabin woods. No nowhere, but I live in like Southern Maine. So it's not like that at all. There's actually a lot to do and it's really close to Portland. But northern Maine, it's a lot like that.
Scott Benner 5:46
So there's no truth that you started long jumping to eventually try to jump out of Maine. That's not what happened.
Unknown Speaker 5:51
No, no.
Scott Benner 5:54
Wouldn't you like to be able to save yourself at this moment in the podcast every week? When I say go to dancing for diabetes.com? That's dancing the number four diabetes.com? Wouldn't you like to be able to tell yourself I've done that Scott. And I do it all the time. Like, feel like you're part of the gang. You know what I mean? Like, hey, that's me. I go to dancing for diabetes.com. Don't you want to feel like that? force? You do? No, good. It's simple to do. Dancing the number for diabetes.com. Okay, so you send you home? Where you're going to die if somebody else doesn't figure something.
Unknown Speaker 6:29
Right. Right. Exactly.
Scott Benner 6:30
So who persisted who pushed more? Was it you complaining or your parents?
Kate Hall 6:36
It was definitely my parents. I mean, being 10 years old, like I knew something was wrong. But I figured, oh, the doctor knows. And if he says like, nothing's wrong, then. Okay. But my parents knew there was more to it. So they looked at my symptoms online and saw that they were somewhat of someone who has type one diabetes, so and then it just like, fit. Exactly. And they're like, oh, wow, like, we really think this is it. So they ended up going to, like a pharmacy on their own and got like ketone test strips. Oh, good for them. Yeah. And so they tested my urine, and it was full of ketones, obviously, MP.
Scott Benner 7:19
What What an exciting day for you. I said, Oh, I know. We're gonna pee on a test strip. Great. This is really going well.
Unknown Speaker 7:27
All right. So I was like, What is going on?
Scott Benner 7:30
You had to I mean, can you imagine really think back on it for a second. 10 years old, your parents is rolling to your room out of nowhere, like we needed to pay on this, like, Oh, my God, what's happening? The doctor says, You people don't know what you're talking about.
Unknown Speaker 7:42
All right. Well,
Scott Benner 7:42
did you feel bad enough at that point? That Do you remember how badly you felt at that point?
Unknown Speaker 7:47
Um,
Unknown Speaker 7:49
yeah,
Kate Hall 7:50
I remember just feeling really out of it. And not myself. And like, I was definitely getting worse every single day. And luckily, like my aunt worked at our local hospital. And she knew the endocrinologist really well. And like, yeah, have her come in today. And it was like a Sunday morning. And luckily, like I went in, and they said, Wow, like if you had waited any longer, it could have been much worse, much worse situation. But yeah, they checked my blood sugar. And I think it was like 500. And that's when they said, Yeah, you have you have type one diabetes, pretty much how it went. I'm glad
Scott Benner 8:29
everyone figured it out. Yes, 12 years ago, is all I can do this 2006
Kate Hall 8:37
it was 2007 when I was diagnosed, you were probably wrong. Unless I got the math wrong, but trust me,
Scott Benner 8:43
trust me. I got the math wrong. At that point. Do you get? I mean, that's 12 years ago, you get I just Demeter and like, yeah, maybe or needles.
Kate Hall 8:54
Yeah. So I started just with like, a syringe. And then I think once I left the hospital, they sent me up with the pen. And then I was on that for, I don't know, maybe six months. And then I went on the Medtronic pump first. So that was the first pump I was on. So you
Scott Benner 9:12
pumped. You've been pumping most of the time. You've had diabetes. Yeah.
Kate Hall 9:16
Yeah, pretty much as soon as they said, Okay, that's when I started. So
Scott Benner 9:21
that's sort of an interesting age, right? Like, because it's young enough that I think you need help, you know, diabetes, but it's also old enough that some parents might be like, hey, you could probably handle this. Do you? Yeah. Do you remember which camp your family fell into and how you guys took
Kate Hall 9:37
care? Yes, I yes, I definitely remember. So when I was in the hospital. The nurse was about to give me my first shot. I'm like, No, give me the needle. I'm gonna I'm gonna give myself my first shot. Like I wasn't scared at all. And then after that, I pretty much wanted to do everything on my own. I didn't. I wasn't like oh, you can't see my blood sugar's you can't know anything about what's going Hang on, it was just me wanting to take control of the disease. And for them, I think they thought that was a good thing. So they didn't bug me every second. But they came alongside me and helped me out. And I think it was actually a really good balance because they knew that it was going to be important for me to control it at a young age. And then I wanted to so
Scott Benner 10:22
what did that mean? Then control it? Like, were you just it was about counting carbs and doing the math?
Kate Hall 10:28
Yeah, I wanted to do everything I wanted to check. My blood sugar's on my own. I wanted to count my own carbs. I wanted to figure out how much insulin I needed to give. Yeah, I wanted to pretty much do everything. Yeah, that's cool.
Scott Benner 10:40
And how I don't want to say successful, but how well did that go for you? Were you like, did you? I mean, how did you measure? Was it blood sugar checks? Was it a one c? Were you aware of a one c back then?
Unknown Speaker 10:52
Yeah, yeah,
Kate Hall 10:52
I was. I was aware of it. I know. When I was in the hospital, it was really high. And then I remember actually, three months later, I actually was a month later, I got it checked. And it was a lot better. I remember being really happy about that. And I remember looking forward to like the doctor's visits to see like, I could get even lower. So I remember being excited.
Scott Benner 11:14
At that age. Were you competing in like we participating in sports at school or anything like that?
Kate Hall 11:21
Yeah. So at 10 I was doing soccer, basketball, and I had just started track. That summer. I was diagnosed in October. And I had started track back in I think, like May. So it's my first.
Scott Benner 11:37
I'm sorry. I didn't mean to cut you off.
Kate Hall 11:39
No, that's okay. Yeah, that was my first year doing track. But I think at that point, soccer was my favorite. And I also remember, when I was diagnosed, it was during soccer season. And it was like right before our team's championship game. And the doctor was like, all right, like you were just diagnosed, you need to get a handle of this. I don't want you to play for a couple weeks until you get this all figured out. And that was like the worst thing in the world. For me, I had to like, sit on the sidelines and watch my team lose the championship game. And I'm like, wow, that's kind of what it said in like, before that, I wasn't really afraid of having diabetes, and any of that or giving myself eight shots a day or pricking my fingers. I didn't care about that. I just didn't want it to stop me from doing what I love most, which was sports. So at that point, when I was sitting on the sidelines, I was like, Okay, this is awful. Never again, I'm not letting this stop me from doing anything. Again. As soon as they can get back out there. I was out there, playing soccer, playing all the sports and just extremely motivated. So cool, because you know, you could have had an opposite reaction, right? You could
Scott Benner 12:49
Yeah, it could have been like really like a weight on you just though look. Like I can't do this doctor says I can't do it. And so now I sit here and you know, then who knows? Of all the sports you name that you played? Do you really like looking back on it? Now if I told you you had to go back and only do one thing? Would it be track? Or if you could be like, if you could be as good at soccer as yours track? Would you choose like to me like,
Unknown Speaker 13:13
yeah,
Scott Benner 13:14
I'm wondering, because because of my follow up question, but I don't want to ask it until I know your answer. When I asked that question, I did not know the answer. But I'm going to ask you some questions right now I think I do know the answer to how would you like to own something that didn't require you to poke a hole in your finger to find out what your blood sugar is? How would you like to be able to set customizable alerts and alarms that tell you when your blood sugar has left the range that you've decided ardens ranges between 70 and 120? But yours could be anywhere? And then the dexcom g six would let you know, when you were leaving that range? It would even tell you how quickly you're rising or falling? How would you like to know that? How would you like to be able to see a loved one's blood sugar when they're not with you? So I could ask you a lot of questions. And I think I know the answer to how would you like this? Or how would you like that? Wouldn't you like to be safer, calmer, more secure? Know what your blood sugar is? where it's going, how fast it's moving there? These are all questions that you know. Let's be honest, I know the answer to before I ask you. So instead of asking those questions, let's ask the most important question. Why have you not gone to dexcom.com Ford slash juice box to get started today with the Dexcom g six. You've heard me say this before, and I'll say it again. These results are ours and yours may vary. But my daughter's a one C has been between 5.2 and 6.2 for over five years, and she has absolutely no diet restrictions. This morning. Arden had a bagel and when her blood sugar tried to go over 120 the Dexcom g six told us and we stopped it dexcom.com forward slash juice box, check it out, I think you'll be happy that you did.
Kate Hall 15:08
I would still choose track. I always really like tracking the start because it was such an individual sport. And it's extremely measurable. And I also didn't like the idea of like a team sport, I didn't want to let down my team. If I did that I didn't want like the team to lose. I hated that so much. But I like to track just because I could go out there. And I had my own personal goals in mind, I could go and try to set personal records at each competition. So looking back, I would definitely feel to track
Scott Benner 15:37
and I definitely thought you would say that because yeah, everything you're saying leading up to this is an indicator of your desire to measure yourself against yourself. Yeah. And and that it even in a in a race. Like you just said it, you could beat your own time and not win the race and still be a major thing for you. Right?
Unknown Speaker 15:57
Yeah, exactly.
Scott Benner 15:58
I watched. I wouldn't have known about it, but my son plays baseball in college now. And he can leave a game where a team gets blown out. And if he's kind of reached the goals he set for himself, and that he's okay with it. And it's interesting, because every individual idea in a team sport and he's team oriented too. Don't get me wrong, but I can see that happening. I just it's very, because track is it is such a I don't it's an isolated thing, like it is it's just you. I mean, there's a lot going on around you. But but the measurements are about you. It's really it's kind of simple. Yeah. It's and and kind of beautiful. And at the same time very specific. So everything yeah, like I want the needle, I was gonna do this myself. I was like, Yeah, she didn't care about those other sports. Those were just things now.
Kate Hall 16:50
Right after I started track, I was like, I love this so much. This is my sport. And then I never wanted to stop after that. I was so excited.
Scott Benner 16:58
I'll get back to the diabetes part. But I'm interested in you know, if you start running track around that age, obviously, you're just competing locally, like at school and stuff like that. At what point along that process? does it become obvious that you're, I don't want to I don't know how to say this, that you're better at it than the other kids. The question,
Kate Hall 17:18
when I started when I was 10, I was like, one of the fastest on the team. There was like one other girl, that was pretty fast, too. But it's like the two of us that were really fast. But I think once I was in middle school, that's when I started to get a lot better, where I would go to races and just beat everyone there. And then in high school, that's when I really took off. Like I started setting state records. I think I was like undefeated in the state for a long jump, and then 100, all four years. And then later in high school, I started to become even better where I was more well known on like, the New England scale and the national scale. So it's definitely a gradual progression. But I think people started noticing me like in middle school, when I started to set state records and beat everyone.
Scott Benner 18:11
It's similar to the idea of pitching, right like that. It's a thing that people can see from a distance and still judge it well. Yeah, you know, it's hard to like, it's hard to show somebody that you're a quality, you know, I don't know, interior lineman on a football team, like you might be great at it. But how do you how do you stand out while you're doing something like that? You know, no, no one sack the quarterback today? I did a great job. Yeah. Or did they just not get to the quarterback? It's hard to judge. Right, right. It's time or distance or with a pitcher. It's it's velocity or how many hits they give up? It's easy to see.
Unknown Speaker 18:45
Yeah, exactly. Very, very interesting.
Scott Benner 18:47
How far did you travel in that time? I know the New England area, like is it that kind of follow, like sort of that nescac thing with the schools or were you in Vermont? Or how far did you go to to compete
Kate Hall 19:01
when I was younger? Probably. Yeah. When I was in middle school, I mainly sat in the New England area. I think the first one was New York because I had to go to New York to qualify for like the it's called like the Junior Olympics. It was like a summer program for kids who did track and then you can qualify for the nationals. And then I actually went to Kansas for the Nationals when I was in middle school. And then what do you say
Scott Benner 19:33
I'm just gonna say is it was that incredibly exciting to like travel that far.
Kate Hall 19:36
It was it was so exciting. I remember it was like the only thing I was looking forward to for months and I went with a friend and she was doing the high jump and I was doing the long jump and the 100 and we're so excited to go to Kansas, it's like who's ever excited to go to Kansas but we were so excited. And it was so different for us because it was just like so flat there and we were not used to That living in Maine. And it was amazing. And when we left, like we're coming back to Kansas, Kansas is the best place ever. And it was like 110 degrees there. When we were there. It was like they were sending like record temperature. Yeah, it was so exciting.
Scott Benner 20:14
There's a lot going on here. Let me try to understand, like, all this preparation to go run into an event, how many times do you actually run or jump? In the course of an event? How long does an event take in days?
Kate Hall 20:26
For the 100? It's, it depends on the type of meat. For like, the bigger meats, there'll be like a semi final final, which might be over like two days, or it could be over one day. It really depends. And then for long jump, it's just six jumps in one day. And that usually takes like an hour to an hour and a half. So
Scott Benner 20:49
as you're doing that, do the jumps progressively get better? Or do you get tired and they get last year? like where do you expect your better jump at the beginning or at the end?
Kate Hall 20:58
lately? It's been towards the end. Usually, I'm getting better as I go, which I'm not really sure why. I think I'm just becoming more consistent and getting into a rhythm. So it's actually a good thing that it's my best jumps are towards the end.
Scott Benner 21:14
You're probably as strong now as you've ever been in your life. And yeah,
Unknown Speaker 21:17
yeah.
Scott Benner 21:18
So it's a little more I watched my son he's hitting before he's going back to school this week. And he keeps going to his guy more frequently than he usually does. He had an amazing round on Wednesday. And then the next day, he tried to go back and like hit again. I'm talking about swinging a bat like 200 times and a half an hour. Oh, wow. The second time he was like, that didn't go as well as I did yesterday was no Well, it stands to reason you've got to be exhausted. Right? He said, Why? Exactly. Right. So, okay, now? I don't, I can't, not just because I'm old and fat Kate. But I can't wrap my head around the concept here. So I've seen you do it on video. You are propelling yourself a great distance through the air and then slamming down to the pit of sand. So I have many questions around this a the sand getting weird places? That's my first question.
Unknown Speaker 22:12
Yes, always.
Kate Hall 22:13
I hate the feeling of fan.
Scott Benner 22:15
I hate the beach even so I was like, even if I jump that far, would I do this? Or no,
Unknown Speaker 22:20
you know? Yeah.
Scott Benner 22:24
So you gotta go. I see that. My next question is, what does it feel like to land because it looks vicious?
Kate Hall 22:31
Yeah. One of my biggest, I guess, issues, when I started track was my long dump landings, because I would never land the right way. So when you actually land the right way, it doesn't look too bad. Like, it looks like it doesn't hurt. It looks pretty smooth. But for years and years and years, I would not learn the right way. And it looks so bad. It looks like it hurt. And usually it doesn't. But I know that if I'm landing correctly, then I'm not going to get her and I'm going to actually don't further. So yeah, they can be pretty brutal. Sometimes
Scott Benner 23:13
it looks absolutely horrifying. How do you practice the idea of the landing because your body's in such a unnatural position, as you've as you come back to the ground, do you know what I mean? Like so it's something you can practice unless you actually run and jump, right. It's not like something you can do in a shorter space or something like that,
Unknown Speaker 23:31
um,
Kate Hall 23:32
you can sometimes like for me, I'll do some shorter approach jumps. But you can also do like broad jumps. Because pretty much the concept of the landing is you want to keep your feet in the air up as long as you can. And then as soon as your feet hit, you're gonna pretty much kick them up, and you're gonna like, fall back, and then your butt's gonna fall into where your heels were. So you can practice that just by doing like, broad jumps. Gotcha. But then when you're actually doing it full speed, it's not quite as easy. So pretty much like doing it standing broad jumps, like the first step, and then you gradually move back from there, and then it gets easier. But it took me many, many years to finally get it.
Scott Benner 24:13
Have you ever heard yourself doing it?
Unknown Speaker 24:15
Yes, I've
Kate Hall 24:15
heard myself landing just because sometimes if you don't take off at the right angle, like if you're leaning too far back, you're over rotating. So you're almost like falling forward in the air. And like I've hurt my ankle before. Yeah, I can be pretty dangerous. If you're not taking off the
Unknown Speaker 24:33
right way.
Scott Benner 24:34
Is there enough time for you to like, and I'll bleep this out later. But is there enough time for you to cognitively think, as you're like pitching forward, or does it just happen?
Kate Hall 24:43
I know pretty much as soon as I'm in the air, if I messed up or not. So I can feel myself on floor. I'm like, this isn't going to be a good landing. So yeah, I do have some time to think. Gotcha.
Scott Benner 24:55
It's great. So I mean, we're sort of burying the lede here a little bit, but how far Can you jump? Okay, I've not rehearsed this, this ad is two minutes long. I'm gonna see if I can think of one thing about the on the pod that I love for every foot Kate can jump. Boy, this isn't gonna be easy. Um, I should put this kind of pressure on myself, okay? It's the only tubeless in some pub in the world. That's one. It's small, to discrete to that I can't even count that's three, I'm very nervous. There's a brand new dash PDM for changing the Omni pod takes no time at all. It's amazing how quickly you can change it. That's five. buckling under the pressure here. Oh, apps, there's now apps for iOS for like display and view, that's I'm going to call that six and seven. You can exercise with on the potty eight, it's never gonna get called on your door handle. Right? The tubing will never ever get hot is that I'm gonna count that as nine even though I feel like that's what I said the first time. All right, let me calm down. How about they have a free no obligation demo, I'm gonna call free demo and no obligation demo two different things. So I'm up to like 11. Now, you know what that means is that you can actually get on the pod to send you a demo right to your house. You do that by going to my on the pod.com. forward slash juicebox. How about this about on the pod? They support the Juicebox Podcast? That's another one. They have a whole community of people called Potter's. That's another one. I could do this. I could do this. Hold on. Oh, oh, here's one. If you use the on the pod, you get gluco for free. On the pods creating the horizon system, that's going to be a closed loop system that will work with your G six. That's like 12 and 13. Oh, geez, I'm running out of time. They have a turtle as a mascot. His name is Toby. Toby the turtle. Go get your free demo pot at Miami. pod.com. forward slash juicebox. Do you think I got anywhere near how many feet can jump? I think I was up to like, I don't know 14 things about the pod. Let's find out.
Kate Hall 26:58
By far this jump is 22 feet five inches. And that was back in 2015. But this season now has been my most consistencies in I've ever had. I've jumped over 22 feet several times. So that's what's the bearing?
Scott Benner 27:17
I'm just gonna say what's the measurement route? Like, what's the furthest anyone's ever done this?
Kate Hall 27:22
I think the world record is like four feet, like high 24 feet for women.
Scott Benner 27:28
That's really amazing. Do men go much farther? Or is it similar? Yeah, they
Kate Hall 27:33
go like 27 feet 28 feet, which is insane. It's insane to watch it. They're like pretty much jumping out of the pit.
Scott Benner 27:41
Is it possible that the momentum of their testicles going forward pulls them for? Is it possible?
Unknown Speaker 27:46
I don't know. Possibly. I
Scott Benner 27:48
mean, I haven't thought about that. Once they're up there, things are flying around. You could think that could help. I think it's an unfair advantage. That's all.
Unknown Speaker 27:57
But you never know.
Unknown Speaker 27:59
who helps you train.
Kate Hall 28:01
So in high school, I had it wasn't like my high school coach. It was more of like a personal trainer. And so he owns a gym in Portland. So I would go see him pretty much every day. Okay. And I once I started going to him, I improved so much like every single year I was getting better. I wasn't injured. I was always feeling good. And that's actually when I set the National High School record was when he was my coach. And then I went to college, and went through all that and then decided, well, I want to go back to my high school trainer. Because I was at my best when I was with him, I felt my best I was the most consistent. So that's pretty much the reason why I decided to go back to me.
Scott Benner 28:51
Had you sought him out? Or did someone come find you?
Kate Hall 28:55
I pulled my hamstring in eighth grade at the state meet. So I was going to physical therapy for weeks. And then on my very last day physical therapy, I was referred to him and he seemed like extremely knowledgeable and he knew like everything about the human body. And we're like, wow, like, you seem really smart. And we don't really know what we're doing. So do do look at training. And he's like, Oh, yeah, like, I would love to train you. So it was almost like a blessing in disguise that I was injured. Because I wouldn't have found him and now he's like, I made a huge difference in my career
Scott Benner 29:31
completely understand my son quit a team when he was 15 because they took on too many outfielders. And they started having to divide the playing time up too much. And it led him to another place where he met the guy who took his heading to another level. And well at that when he had to leave that team at the time. It felt like a real tragedy for him, you know, right to your point. If he doesn't meet Nick, then I don't I don't even know if he's in college playing baseball right now. And colza spectacular out fielder, but you know you have to be able to hit at the same level you're playing defense. So, right. It's just dumb luck. So that's really kind of interesting that that happened to you. Yeah. And is he still with you now? In some way?
Kate Hall 30:12
Yeah. Oh, yeah. So,
but he's my coach now. So,
Scott Benner 30:17
wow, it's worked out for him.
Kate Hall 30:20
Yeah, a lot of athletes decide to stay with like their college coaches after they graduate. But I didn't feel like that was the best decision for me. So I wanted to go back to Maine and train with a coach that I was comfortable with.
Scott Benner 30:31
So you're 22? Are you? Are you in college? Now? Are you a senior?
Kate Hall 30:36
I should have graduated in May. But I left college a year early, because I wanted to go back to Maine and train with this coach. Um, so I'm finishing my degree online now. So I should graduate in the spring. That's the goal. But where did you go to school?
Scott Benner 30:51
What college did you go to? And did they? Did they recruit you actively? Or did you?
Kate Hall 30:56
So I went to Iowa State first. And then I was there for one year and then transferred to the University of Georgia. And I was there for two years. And then went home to me, and you went home?
Scott Benner 31:09
I mean, I'm guessing but you went home? Because you saw that it was completely viable for you to try to get to the Olympics. Is that right?
Kate Hall 31:18
Yes. That's why I decided to go back to name was because, yeah, my goal is the fixed so I didn't want to stay in the NCAA system any longer. Because the NCAA season is so separate from the professional season, that I wouldn't have been able to get that experience and exposure before the Olympic year. So I wanted to do what's best for me and pursue my goals, and go and train with a coach that I knew would be best for me. And I could have some time in the in the pro scene before the Olympic year. So
Scott Benner 31:51
listen, you don't have to apologize to me, I my son's an athlete. I know how this works. There's there Yeah, moments when it's Yes, we're a team. And there's moments when it's I have another level I think I can get to and Right, exactly. These games are great. But I don't you know, US winning this game doesn't help me get to this thing. And I have the right to go my own way. And that's completely reasonable and in for you. You have measurables you can tell yourself, look, I can actually do this. Like it's not. It's not as much not that it hoping doesn't get involved in excitement. But you're still like, Look, I know we're all I'll, I'll shake out in this. So if you know exactly go my way. So sort of take me into that space a little bit. Because I don't understand that at all. Like and this will sound crazy when I first tell you I don't know when the Olympics are. But keep in mind, I also didn't know my Labor Day. So don't take that. Seriously, someone's like Monday's Labor Day. I'm like getting out of here. It is not but it was. So when sorry, when do the when did the Olympics happen?
Kate Hall 32:53
Next year in Tokyo, 2020. Yes. And the trials will be in June before the Olympics.
Scott Benner 33:03
So this is some of the Olympic Summer Olympics. When did the trials happen?
Kate Hall 33:08
It should be the end of June and they take the top three who have the Olympic standard to go. And that's amazing. So it's not like
Scott Benner 33:17
it's not like they identify you in January or February. It's some into and then you get the train to go to the Olympics six months later. It's it's one seamless like timewise process. It's come to the tryout You're the one get on a plane go to Tokyo like is it? It's not that no kidding,
Kate Hall 33:37
pretty much like that. So it's like you have to be ready for that day. Nothing can be off your mark can't be off. Right? Everything has to be right. So it just comes down to that one moment. So you could be like, the most consistent jumper who's like ranked like top in the world. But then you go there and have a bad day and then you can't go and then someone else goes who's technically like, not as good as you so
Scott Benner 34:01
and then the Olympic Committee has no autonomy to look and go Hey, listen, Billy's way better than Jimmy. We're gonna take Billy It doesn't work that way. Right? Like, it's just you get those jumps at that thing. And that's it. So you're, you're playing for that one time?
Unknown Speaker 34:15
Right.
Scott Benner 34:16
Do you think that's amazing? Um, I'm sorry. It's is it? Do you feel like a superhero? I guess it's my question. At all.
Unknown Speaker 34:26
Sometimes, I
Kate Hall 34:27
guess like, I
definitely feel like a normal person. Like people say, Oh, you're famous this like that. Really? Like I'm just some kid from Maine. Like, I don't know. I don't really feel that way. But then when I'm like, in a big crowd of like, 20,000 people competing, then that feels pretty cool.
Scott Benner 34:45
I googled Kate Hall the other day, and you're the first three pages of returns Kate so
Unknown Speaker 34:49
Oh, cool. That's awesome.
Scott Benner 34:51
And I told you when we were setting this up privately, but I'll be recording Next, you know, in a few months, with another person named Kate Hall. Cool. She is like the head writer of General Hospital. Oh, wow, her daughter has type one diabetes. Wow, that Kate Hall is naming a character in general hospital after my daughter and Jenny Smith who comes on the podcast. Oh, wow. I'm just saying that when you're up on the podium, just like roll my name out, like even just lip sync it back at me. Okay, be super cool. All right. Can you imagine after all of this work, if you got up there, and somehow this conversation got in your head, you're like, I want to thank Scott
Unknown Speaker 35:30
never be so funny. Or like, Wait,
Unknown Speaker 35:33
who is Scott?
Scott Benner 35:36
Yeah, suddenly, I'm just putting this I'm trying to trick you into saying it when it's okay. This strength to run fast and jump really far? Is it because as a child, you pulled raw salmon and trout out of a river and ate them with your teeth? Is that?
Kate Hall 35:56
Um, no, but actually, as a child, for some reason, like I always like walked on my tiptoes. I don't know if that has anything to do it. But I just loved jumping as a kid like I every time I jumped, I mean, anytime I walked under like a doorway, I would just jump up and hit the doorposts. And every single time so I was at a young age, probably doing like 200 jumps a day, just because I liked how it felt to jump. And I remember like going to a friend's house and they would have like a sandbox and try to like jump over the sandbox. So they're the only one who could do it. So I think at a young age, I was already like training my body, how to become like very, like elastic and powerful. So
Scott Benner 36:41
lucky. Your parents didn't see that as a psychological disorder and stuff. And
Kate Hall 36:46
I don't think they cared. They knew I was like, pretty athletic. Like, yeah, just
Scott Benner 36:50
do whatever you want. It just had kind of this energy, right? It's
Unknown Speaker 36:53
Yeah.
Scott Benner 36:54
So you know, it is really interesting that when the baseball season stops cold walks around this house like he's like he's just got this energy doesn't know what to do with these. Right when he his arms and his hands and mimicking throwing a baseball like and I don't even know that he knows he's doing it sometimes. You know, like, it's just very, he belongs playing baseball. It seems.
Unknown Speaker 37:18
Yeah. Right. Yeah. So
Scott Benner 37:19
you have that feeling about this. Now? You do the You said you do the 102? Is that something you'll focus on for the Olympics, or will you narrowcast to the long jump.
Kate Hall 37:29
So as of right now, it's mostly the long jump, but I'm still doing the 100 because I know I can become faster and lower my time. And so maybe in the future, there'll be more of a focus, but I know like right now long hemp is my main focus. And then 100 is just something else I do and I know I can get better at
Scott Benner 37:50
and then down the road. I imagine training for the 100 is also good for your training for for long jumping.
Kate Hall 37:56
Yeah, it is. So like, for indoors, the indoor season, they actually have the 60 meter instead of the 100. And I like the 60 meters so much better. Because it's very close to the distance that I run for long jump, it's about 40 meters is my approach for long jump. That's only about 20 meters difference. So it's a lot easier to train for the 60 then it is the 100 so when I do the 100 outdoors, like the hardest part of that race for me is like the last 40 meters because I don't train that far as much because my focus is long jump
Scott Benner 38:31
when you were back in high school. I imagine you were you know very athletic and good at this did you do other things like you take that stick and try to jump over the other stick or like the heavy thing and throw it like that? I don't know a lot about track and field but like didn't like did you put him what's the thing? You pull vault like Could you say sorry, the stick and you see it now though? You take the stick and jump over the other stick? Yeah, that's a rather rudimentary discussion but I like I imagine you might have been the go to to try for a lot of stuff like did that happen?
Kate Hall 39:04
Yeah, I pretty much tried everything like when I first started when I was 10 and I tried. Hi john. I did triple jump I did the 200 400 money really do any of the throwing events because I was like a very tiny child and not like super super muscular so definitely didn't do the throwing events but I tried pretty much like all the jumping events and I actually stuck with high jump and triple jump for a little bit and did triple jump a little bit in high school. But I knew after like a couple years of doing track it was going to be long jump in the short Sprint's
Unknown Speaker 39:40
you know
Scott Benner 39:40
it's funny you brought up your size because it struck me. I watched you jump a couple of times in video. And in video when you are again, the only person in the frame and doing this feeling like a superhuman thing. You look like you're six feet tall. Yep. But you're five four. Is that is that See? That's amazing. Because when I googled you and you popped up and your height popped up, I was like, That's not right. Yeah, girl in that video is a monster. And you're not.
Unknown Speaker 40:09
Yeah, that's Yeah.
Kate Hall 40:09
So everyone says that, like, someone will see me out in public. And they'll recognize me from like being in the news or the newspaper videos or whatever. And they'll be like, Wow, you are so small. You're so tiny. And someone actually said one time, which is such like a main thing to say, but like on the runway, you look like a moose. But what? Okay,
Scott Benner 40:32
well, that's just because you're speaking to someone in Maine. That's the only animal. Yeah, that's right. Don't worry about that. You know, I mean, interestingly enough, like Tom Cruise is five, seven. So yeah, you put him on film, and you stand somebody shorter than him next to him. And he looks tall. Exactly. And so you're by yourself and you're flying to the air. And it is, listen, Kate, I'm imagining, you know, but what you're doing is beyond most of our comprehension, like, yo, you know what, I could probably work hard at that, maybe jump eight feet, I couldn't get right, I probably couldn't. I don't know, I probably couldn't jump four feet. Like if I like really put my heart into it. Maybe I could fall forward four feet, but, and I've seen my son do that, um, I guess it's the equivalent of a standing long jumper, he plants his feet and just sees how far he can propel him without taking a step. And I've seen him do that, you know, seven or eight, like in that seven, eight foot range? And that's amazing. You don't I mean, so 22 feet is insane. That the record? It's just really, so I guess it's, I don't know, like, it's, it's one of those things where I think about when I think about diabetes, and talking to athletes about diabetes, because I there's a real value, you know, speaking about the community, for people who are kids to know what you're doing with this, because this is intense working out. It's traveling, it's you know, going TO to different colleges, all this with diabetes, I think people knowing your story is great, especially, you know, parents who can take their kids and point go, look, look what this girl's doing. You know, at the same time, I sometimes get worried that people look at athletes and think Well, yeah, sure, they can do it. But they're like, they're not real people. They're, you know, but you're a real person. You know, it's hard to, it's hard to, it's sometimes hard to see someone can do something like that, and not think that they must have something you don't have. What but you know, and so I like it when people can hear that. So I want to talk a little bit about how you manage your diabetes, because I know recently I saw did Chris Freeman write an article about you?
Kate Hall 42:42
Yeah, yeah, he did, and diabetes forecast. So
Scott Benner 42:45
I've met Chris, a number of times has been on the podcast a bunch of times. And I love the way Chris talks about diabetes. Yeah, it's very sort of, it comes from a perspective of a person who would look at two flat pieces of something and think I could stand on them and travel across snow. You know, when you call it skiing, it seems doable. But when you think about what it really is, there's these two tiny, flat pieces of wood or whatever it's made out of at this point, he straps his foot to it and then looks a great distance in a cold weather situations as I go over there, that's nuts, you're looking right 22 feet down a sandpit going, I could probably jump from here to there. That's not Yeah. But there's something about that idea. That translates to what I kind of think of is sort of like the essence of like diabetes management, like that idea of like, sort of like throwing away the excess not getting mired down in drama, not feeling beatable, like all that, all that stuff. So now I've set you up, I could put you're gonna be like, Scott, my agency is 10. And I'm not good at my diabetes. But But I want to know how you manage day to day like first on your own, like on a regular day, Kate gets up, she's going to class, you know, before you left school, it's just like everybody else. And how do you do that?
Kate Hall 44:06
No, for me, like, it's a lot easier for me to manage, when, like, I know what certain foods do to my blood sugar. Like I always struggled with breakfast growing up, and my blood sugar would always spike so high after breakfast, and then I would take forever to come back down. And then I took a look at what I was eating and I was eating like granola or cereal. And then I would have like fruit and then maybe like some sausages but there was like a lot of carbs and that's why it would spike so high. So now I'm eating eggs and like turkey bacon, and some fruit. So let's say I'm eliminating a lot of the carbs and eating better foods. And then I stopped having the issues of blood sugar spikes. So, for me, I think it's a lot easier for me to manage when I kind of explore different foods and what they do to my blood sugar's. And now I almost have like a routine routine of what I'm eating. So I'm pretty much eating like the same, like 1520 meals throughout the week because first of all, like I like the meals and then second of all, I know that it's not gonna do crazy things. So my blood sugar too.
Scott Benner 45:28
Yeah, Kate, when you're younger, it's probably harder to think about it this way. But I've been alive for a really long time. You just eat the same stuff over and over again. Like it just yeah, you know, yeah, nobody, nobody gets up tomorrow and goes, you know, I'm gonna try capers today. It's exactly worked out that way. So, so having knowledge of how to sort of dominate the food with your insulin is the key. And you know, we talked about how to use insulin on the podcast a lot. And I couldn't, I couldn't possibly agree with you more, like just having a little bit of pre planning goes a long way. And yeah, I tell people all the time, like, I know, you don't want to pre plan a meal. But wouldn't it be great to put 15 minutes worth of effort into this instead of four hours worth of effort chasing your high blood sugar around letting exactly this whole sort of thing? So how do you I mean, you're using it on the pod now?
Unknown Speaker 46:16
Mm hmm. Yeah.
Scott Benner 46:18
And do you use a Dexcom?
Unknown Speaker 46:19
I do. Okay.
Scott Benner 46:21
How long have you been using CGM?
Unknown Speaker 46:24
Um,
Unknown Speaker 46:25
probably about
Kate Hall 46:28
four, five years, probably five, five years now.
Scott Benner 46:33
So you've had the you had the g4 at one point?
Unknown Speaker 46:35
I did. Yeah.
Kate Hall 46:37
At first, I didn't like the idea of wearing like two devices. And I also didn't like calibrating it all the time, either. So I would take breaks from the Dexcom all the time. So I would wear it for a couple weeks, and then not wear for like two weeks or a month and then put it back on. But then recently, this past year, I got the G six. And now I'm like, Alright, I'm wearing this all the time. And I'm not going to take breaks. So I think that's definitely made a difference to
Scott Benner 47:09
it's well, yeah. Now you don't need to calibrate it anymore. And it's generations along that technology just keeps getting better and better.
Kate Hall 47:16
I know. It's insane.
Scott Benner 47:17
Do you think you'll use horizon? When on the pod?
Unknown Speaker 47:20
Yes. Oh, yes,
Scott Benner 47:22
I do. So I am so excited. Yeah, we are to what are your goals, but we just put an episode up last week about exercise and talking about how some people sort of misunderstand their insulin and then jam their blood sugar high so that when they drop when they exercise, they don't go too low. But but there's a way to set your insulin up so that you don't actually that low hook doesn't come hopefully, you don't have to, you know, be adding food. You know, that's the worst thing, right? You're trying to exercise for health. And now you're eating food, right blood sugar up, it's so counterproductive. How do you manage leading up to a race or leading up to a day,
Kate Hall 48:02
it's actually interesting, because when I practice my blood sugar goes low. And then when I compete, it tends to go high. So and I'm practicing way more than I'm competing, I was trying to figure out what to do in those situations. So what I've learned that really helps me for when I'm practicing, is well usually go and practice anywhere from like 10 to noon. So I'll have breakfast and then go and practice probably a couple hours later. But I would have so many issues, my blood sugar's dropping during practice. And I didn't know what to do. So I talked to my doctor, and he's like, Alright, let's try to set a temp bazel an hour and a half for you practice and decrease your bazel by 40 to 50%. And then keep that 10 days long throughout your whole workout. So once I started doing that, and made a huge difference, because what would happen is I would go practice and I feel my blood sugar's going low, like during my warm up, and then I have glucose tabs, then I would bring it up and that would come back down close to the end of the workout. So it's like, I can't go like twice during my workout.
Scott Benner 49:19
You know, shooting for a moment, like you described earlier. You shouldn't for a moment of perfection. And yeah, so you listen, I you would love the episode that I so I sometimes Jenny Smith comes on the show, she's a CD, and we talked through things like that, and we just talked through for an hour. Right? That kind of thing. That's awesome. Yeah, amazing for you because she talked about how to set those bazel rates and you know, even longer than you think it's just it's, she's brilliant and she has type one and she does distance running and stuff like it's really, really amazing, but that's cool. So you are figuring it you're figuring out now I may I and you may have figured it out already. But you know, my guess for why you're low during practice, but not during a meeting. Gentlemen, gentlemen, that's exactly yeah, you're a competitive person. Okay? Yeah, you're out there, and you're all like Kate, and you're pretty, and you're gonna go do your thing, but you want to kill all of those people want them to do want them to not jump, as far as you're going to jump, you want them to lose in a private way, you want to see them walk away crying, when it's over, as you hold your hands up in the air Hi, and feel that inside, or if I just projected that on you,
Unknown Speaker 50:28
um,
Kate Hall 50:30
I guess, but not probably not quite as arrogant. I, I'm a very like, I'm definitely a huge competitor, like, I want to go what I want to win, I get really nervous. So that definitely brings my blood sugar up. But what's I guess, really hard about that is it doesn't go up until, like, the competition starts or like halfway through the competition. So I'll be warming up my blood sugar will be like, 140, everything's good. And then it's like, I don't want to give insulin knowing my blood sugar is gonna go high, and then it ends up going low, and then I can't compete. But I'm always like hesitant about that. So I just like keep it and then every time I keep it just like right up. So it's like, trying to figure out what works the best for competition
Scott Benner 51:23
just said something that I it's making me think I just heard someone say something the other day like this. And I'm racking my brain thinking of who it was. So I can give them credit, but I am not going to come up with. But they said that there's no real, like physiological difference between being nervous and excited. And so that people who feel anxiety or nervousness, if you just tell yourself, I'm not nervous, I'm excited. That actually helps. And I thought that's insane. Right? When they said I was like that, probably, well, then you said you're nervous. And then while you were talking, I googled, am I nervous or excited? And there's an entire like, like science behind this idea. So that's interesting. You can just tell yourself, I'm not nervous. I'm excited.
Unknown Speaker 52:11
That's a good idea. Yeah, should actually try that. talk yourself into it.
Scott Benner 52:15
So again, if any of this works, when you're up on the podium, you just go Scott like that, like, I'll see it in your lips. No, I'm kidding. I will have nothing to do with your success in the certain of that. Listen to my voice. Close your eyes. Unless you're driving, breathe deeply. Concentrate on the words that you hear in your ears. Dancing for diabetes.com. The next time you're in a browser, and you hear the clacking of keys, you'll have an uncontrollable urge to go to dancing for diabetes calm. When I snap my fingers, you can wake up
what are your goals? Like your blood sugar goals? When you're not working out? Are you trying to keep your blood sugar? Do you have a certain like system in place? like where do I keep it not like to let it get higher than a certain number or lower? Yeah,
Kate Hall 53:23
I mean, I'm pretty much just trying my best to keep it in a range. But like even when, if I'd like take a break from training for a while, which is probably only like a couple weeks a year, like a month a year is definitely like having a lot more high blood sugars during that period, because I'm not exercising. So it's just like, that's a whole other thing I have to worry about, too. So
Scott Benner 53:47
yeah, so needs probably go way up. Because you're getting, you're getting free. You're just basically getting, you know, free non insulin, but you're getting free lower blood sugars from all the exercise you're doing. And do you have right? When you work out very hard during the day. Do you see lows later at night? Or have you figured out how to keep that from happening?
Kate Hall 54:06
Sometimes I see lows later at night, but it really depends on like the type of workout. I'm doing. So like with lifting, not so much but with my running workouts. Sometimes I'll see some lows later at night.
Scott Benner 54:19
That's that's that makes 100% sense.
Unknown Speaker 54:21
Yeah, definitely.
Scott Benner 54:23
Okay, Kate, do you do any regular people stuff? Or is it like heart like what do you do when you're not like this? Like in my mind, you're just constantly working towards this goal. Is that the truth or do you have downtime?
Kate Hall 54:36
I am like constantly working towards this goal, but I also do like fun stuff too. So I definitely like a very outdoorsy person. So I like paddleboarding, which I discovered two years ago for the first time, so I love just exploring like different lakes or different rivers and paddleboarding. I really like hiking And that's pretty much pretty much it. I like traveling a lot too. So
Scott Benner 55:04
it's very cool. We've been, we've been anywhere like, amazing.
Kate Hall 55:09
Pretty much any place I've traveled. It's for track. So, like, I've been to Europe, my first time in Europe was back in February, I went to France. And then I went to Europe again in June and competed. But luckily, since I was in Europe for so long that I did have a little bit of time to like explore and sightsee. So I, kind of combining travel with training and my career, so but it works out,
Scott Benner 55:36
hoping someone will invite me to speak in Europe so that I can see places like that.
Unknown Speaker 55:40
Oh, that'd be awesome.
Scott Benner 55:41
That's very cool. Can people well, I guess, before I get to that, this going to the Olympics thing doesn't sound cheap. So how does when do you begin to plan for that? Like, when do you start looking for people to be like, Look, I need benefactors here, if I'm gonna go do this thing. Is that is that a completely? I would imagine it's a it's a much more deep process than people watching the Olympics would imagine.
Kate Hall 56:11
Yeah, I mean, it's obviously very pricey. And the other thing is, like, I'm not even going to find out if I'm going until like, the month before. So it's not like I can plan and get like, the cheapest flights and all of that, because I can't really book anything until I know I'm going to pull it's really just like, finding sponsors and you know, hoping for a shoe contract. So and all of that would would help with that. But it's Yeah, it's definitely an in depth process.
Scott Benner 56:45
Gotcha. It's and so is there like, are you just trying to build your like, I'm trying to find out how can people listening help you like Would it help to build your social media profile even more like would they could you should they go follow you on Instagram? Like what? What gives you? What makes you look like the person I should put the shoes on when the time comes?
Kate Hall 57:02
Yeah, I mean, that definitely plays like a huge part in it. It's just the more the bigger following you have the portable, the more people notice you. So like I'm, you know, sponsored by like Omni pod. So I go and like give speeches for them. And I love it. And it's so much fun because I'm also doing something I love. But yeah, that's a huge part of it is just growing following so I can tell more people about what I love in my life and who I am.
Scott Benner 57:31
That was gonna be my question like even this working out right now like you don't like you're not working at footlocker on the weekends, right? So it's great. You don't have a part time job like you're working on constantly. So you need you need jobs who on the pod sponsors you is or your parents helping out still,
Kate Hall 57:48
at first I helped with like my training expenses, but now it's it's kind of on me which I don't expect them to help me like I want to be able to do this on my own. So yeah, now it's pretty much just me like paying for all my training and living in school expensive.
Scott Benner 58:04
tacular that's really great. Good for you. I I don't I remember it myself when I was 22. And I don't think that even if I could have flunked myself that far through the air that I would have been as together as you are about the rest of the rest of your life. Are you just like a total mess otherwise, like I'm looking for something in the armor here. Kate is there are you you're looking pretty perfect at the moment is what I'm
Kate Hall 58:28
no, I'm pretty like, I don't know. I I like to have a plan. I like to be organized. I'm a very determined person. So
Scott Benner 58:36
seriously, I wish you just a ton of success. I thank you so excited to root for you. And and yeah, absolutely. I'm sure everyone listening will as well. I know how much I loved. I will share this with you. Right? So my daughter's not my daughter. It's not a big. Like, you won't find her running around yelling I have diabetes all the time. Right? Like, she doesn't hide it in any way. She doesn't care if you see her on the pod or next. She'll talk to you about it. The other day met Tom Holland. And she was trying to tell him something that would make her memorable while thousands of people were going by her and as as the security people were pushing her out of the place where she was getting taken. She's like, She's like, I'll see you with the other thing. Remember me? I have I'm a diabetic like selling things trying to like not like I have diabetes feel bad for me. She thought like, what can I yell that will make this guy remember me the next time in me, right? So many people there. He didn't care. My point is she doesn't hide but she's also not real out in front with it. Yeah, you know what I mean? But, but the last time Chris skied in the Olympics, she was younger. And she stood in front of the television watching cross country skiing, that I don't think she cared about one little
Unknown Speaker 59:47
right.
Scott Benner 59:48
And she I remember her saying, He's got the same insulin pump as me. It just looked like she got taller when she said that. Yeah, that's adorable feeling of like, hey, there's that personality. So I have a real opportunity to, you know, the, for other people to have those little moments around, you know, watching you and rooting for you. So it's really exciting. And I'm glad for you. And I'm grateful that you're that you're also not hiding your type one and that you're that you're talking about it too. It's a big deal.
Kate Hall 1:00:20
Yeah, I think other people
Unknown Speaker 1:00:23
who look at
Kate Hall 1:00:24
type one diabetics, they think they're superheroes because they have to manage this disease, like 24. Seven, like you can't even take a break from managing it. But you're also like going out and living a normal life. So a lot of people are scared to open up about it, but it's like, they other people think you're a superhero for being able to do this. So
Scott Benner 1:00:47
no, it is a huge task, taking care of diabetes and podcast is about making it easier for people. Yeah, I very much. It's all it's always been Michael is just anything that I've come across that I've learned that I know helps. I want to share it with other people so that they don't have to have those struggles if you know when they're not necessary.
Unknown Speaker 1:01:10
Yeah, definitely. Okay, I
Scott Benner 1:01:11
really appreciate you doing this. I'm assuming you have to go jump over something now. So I'm gonna let you go. What is the rest of your day look like?
Kate Hall 1:01:19
Oh, actually, it's it's pretty, pretty easy. I'm actually going to like a town hall meeting later to like meet some some people who want to meet me, but that should be pretty fun. And then just kind of my dog really have a Dalmatian. So
Scott Benner 1:01:34
what's the most you know? Because you grew up in Maine, it was probably salmon. I mean, there were really no other choices. Were there. What was your let? Have you had more than one dog in your life?
Unknown Speaker 1:01:49
Um,
Kate Hall 1:01:51
I did growing up. I have a dog when I was younger, and then my family got a dog I think like three, three years ago, but this is like, my first like, own dog.
Scott Benner 1:02:02
Those other dog's names.
Kate Hall 1:02:03
The first one was lady, and then the one they have now still is Morgan.
Scott Benner 1:02:08
Wow, that's specific. Do you think after Morgan Freeman or no.
Kate Hall 1:02:14
So we got it from like, another family. It was already like a year old. And that's what her name already was.
Unknown Speaker 1:02:21
So do you think we can change it
Scott Benner 1:02:22
disappointed when they're like, oh, we're gonna get this dog. It's gonna be great. It's already got a name, though. They're like, it's Morgan. Like, really? All right, I guess.
Kate Hall 1:02:29
Yeah. Maybe they were thinking about giving it a different name. But people it's like a year old already knows this name. So
Scott Benner 1:02:35
I have two. We have two dogs, Indy and bazel. And yeah, if you yell Indy or bazel, they both look, I don't think they I bet. Yeah, I think you could just start calling that Morgan dog. Anything you wanted right now, right?
Unknown Speaker 1:02:47
Just the tone.
Scott Benner 1:02:48
Three days from now. They'd be like, Oh, that's me. I'm Fred. It'd be super easy be great if your parents named changed it from Morgan, Fred. They're doing that even?
Unknown Speaker 1:02:58
Oh, funny this,
Unknown Speaker 1:03:00
or did you like it?
Unknown Speaker 1:03:01
No, it was, it was great.
Scott Benner 1:03:04
I'm glad. I did not mean to characterize you earlier as a murderous, running vindictive person who wanted to.
That's so funny. She's answering the question as to whether or not she had a good time.
Kate Hall 1:03:26
I'm not sure what happens. So funny that I'm like, did
Scott Benner 1:03:28
you hate this? And you're like, no, I got goodbye. I didn't mean to paint you earlier as a murderous, vindictive running person who wanted everyone else's death. I just meant, are you really competitive, and I started painting weird pictures with my sarcasm. And I realized now you grew up in Maine and probably have never heard a sarcastic word in your entire life. Oh, by the way, I want to say, I can't I would love to visit Maine sometime. Because I just hear how beautiful it is. My jokes come from when my son was was recruiting for baseball. I'll let you go in a second. But he got recruited by a really good school in Maine. So it was hard not to want to go to that school. And at the same time, he would like look at me privately and go, I don't want to go to Maine and freeze my ass off. And I was like, yeah, yeah. And he goes and how are we gonna play baseball in Maine? I was like, I don't know what snowshoes on maybe, you know? And then they started talking about Don't worry, our dugouts are heated and then calls like, they're saying that like it's a good thing. But why would you have to heat a dugout, you know, and so he took a call with the coach, because he's like, it's such a like, I'm gonna get such a great education here if I go here, so I'm, he was really seriously thinking about it. Yeah. And, and the coaches like, gets on and he's like, you know, trying to sell him and everything. And he hangs the phone and I said, What do you think he goes really nice guy, super school. I'd be amazing to get a degree from there he goes, but I gotta tell you, it's like part of the sales pitch was we're going on a hunting trip together. He's like, I don't want to shoot something to play baseball. So I'm out. Like,
Unknown Speaker 1:05:04
that's like, That's hilarious.
Scott Benner 1:05:06
I don't think he tried to sell hunting to a kid from like, you know, the New York Philadelphia area.
Unknown Speaker 1:05:11
No, no. That's so funny.
Scott Benner 1:05:16
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