#876 Best of Juicebox: Altered Minds

March 24, 2023Scott Benner

Originally aired on May 28, 2021. Scott and Jenny talk about how high and low BGs impact your ability to think.

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Scott Benner 0:00
Hello friends and welcome to episode 876 of the Juicebox Podcast

Hello and welcome back to the best of the Juicebox Podcast. Today, we are revisiting episode 485 altered minds. This is an episode where Jenny Smith and I discuss how high and low blood sugars can impact a person. While you're listening today, please remember that nothing you hear that Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice, medical or otherwise, always consult a physician before making any changes to your healthcare plan or becoming bold with insulin. Are you a US resident who has type one or the caregiver of someone with type one, please go to T one D exchange.org. Forward slash juicebox. Join the registry complete the survey. When you complete that survey. You are helping type one diabetes research to move forward right from your sofa. You also might be helping out yourself and you're supporting the podcast T one D exchange.org. Forward slash juicebox.

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Today on the podcast, I'm joined by Jenny Smith. Jenny, of course, is from all the defining diabetes episodes, and the Pro Tip series. And today she's here to talk about how people can be altered in their in their minds when their blood sugars are high or low. Right. So if you're looking for an understanding of what high and low might make someone feel like or could make you feel like this is the episode for you. During this conversation, please remember that nothing you hear on the Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice, medical or otherwise, always consult a physician before making any changes to your health care plan. Were becoming bold with insulin.

Jenny holds a bachelor's degree in Human Nutrition and biology from the University of Wisconsin. She is a registered and licensed dietitian, a certified diabetes educator and a certified trainer I'm most makes and models of insulin pumps and continuous glucose monitors. One day when I grew up, I hope to be just like Jenny.

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Jennifer Smith, CDE 5:22
I mean, it's it came from somebody

Scott Benner 5:24
came from somebody, but it's not from somebody. But But it made a lot of sense to me when they said it, and then I left it on my list for a long time. And every time I look at the list, I'm like, Yeah, we're gonna have to talk about that. I think so.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 5:38
Hopefully, I have something.

Scott Benner 5:41
So I'm posing this next question to you, Jenny. Because you have diabetes, and you would have, you would have a real feeling for what this is? Maybe? We'll see. We'll see. Hopefully, I think you will. So I hear this from either parents or spouses usually. And it's something we make light of in communities and joke about, like I've said before, to my daughter, you know, when she was little, I'm going to test your blood sugar. And if it's not high or low, you're in trouble. Right? You know, like, because you kind of can't, you can't tell, like, is somebody acting a certain way? Because they're altered? Or are they acting a certain way? Because they're, you know, right, a pain in the ass. So like, you know, which isn't, but that always makes me feel like what is the person with diabetes hearing when they're altered? And so that's what I want to understand. And when I'm we're gonna do both. But let's start with higher blood sugar. So I know there's no Mendoza line that you can point to perfectly. But I will say I've always said in the past that as Arden is active if her blood sugar starts to creep above 161 80, I could see her slow down, her reactions get slower, things like that. We know that people get cloudier. We've talked about on the podcast a million times as you get higher and higher. But what's it like to be in your head? When your blood sugar's higher? Like, like, what if your kids are acting up? Or your husband's being unreasonable? Or you have to make dinner? Like and like, what does that feel like to you?

Jennifer Smith, CDE 7:18
Yeah, I think it to me, it feels one, I'm just annoyed. Right? And it's not annoyance with them. It's annoyance for the number for whatever it is where it is, right. And it can be even worse, if it was like a bad site, right? That now, you know, like, fiddling with for a while to actually get it. And I think then it the mental piece of that then comes when you're trying to manage this number that you're not happy with. And somebody interrupts that train of thought and that interrupt by, they're not like doing it intentionally to ask you, you know, can we have applesauce for dinner mom, you know, like, it's just a piece in the mix. So I think mine is more like, it's just a mental struggle at that point. And I do also tend to, I get kind of headachy. Okay, not so much when I have lows, but more. So when I am higher, it's that like, mental, that foggy kind of piece. And it makes me feel headachy not the kind that's like a throbbing, but it's like that cloudy kind of headache that you get. And again, that's just an irritating factor in and of itself, too.

Scott Benner 8:40
So there's a mechanical portion of it where it is, you know, for whatever reason, either you, maybe you missed on a Bolus, or you said your site went wrong or something. So there's, there's a mechanical piece like I need to fix this thing, which becomes irritating as it would to any person like, like, if I walked into a doorframe, I'd be like, I cannot believe I just walked into a doorframe like that. So you've got that going on. And then you have the actual act of having to fix it. And then you're focused on that someone else comes in so this is still all mechanical like but then the headache happens. And that's not something like a like a like a warning light on your palm doesn't go off and say Jenny's got a headache now, right? So when a five year old comes at you, you you can't say to yourself, I'm I feel the pain in my head that I'm not even aware of yet. I'm going to react it you don't have like, that's not how thinking works. So then you're just level of irritation is, does it? Here's how I Here's one. Here's how my wife puts it. Around her period. She'll tell me I'm not being unreasonable. I just have less space for bullshit is how she puts

Jennifer Smith, CDE 9:52
it. That's really great.

Scott Benner 9:56
I don't I think she's covering for herself but I understand Have the intent of what she's saying. So there's a, there's a ceiling in people before they get upset, right. And there's all kinds of, of outside irritants that can limit that ceiling. But just your blood sugar being higher physically, can take away from your ability to, to abide both, basically, I guess, correct.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 10:21
And, you know, from my standpoint to, you know, with the work that I do, and all of the data management that I do and interpreting things for people, I mean, the majority of my management is just because they want to be healthy, right? But the other piece of it is, it also leads into my work. Can I get worked on really well, if I'm sitting really high, or if I'm sitting really low, my brain isn't functioning well on either level. So that management piece is always also there to benefit. I'm not typing out a message that's like, you know, I don't know why you're blessed.

Scott Benner 11:02
Mary, why don't you just figure it out yourself? I paid this lady helped me with my blood sugar. And she yelled at me. Yeah, that wouldn't be great. No, but I want people to understand that whether and I think they do. But if I do, I think they do understand that a higher blood sugar could be an issue. But the problem is, again, that you don't walk around as a person with diabetes with your blood sugar across your forehead. So when I come up to you, you're just Jenny to me. I don't know if your blood sugar's to 20. And you have a headache. And so how, what I guess what should those people be looking for? So that they can back up and go, Oh, you know what, this could be that because even if I understand that your budget, say I come up to you, you react oddly. And I immediately understand that your blood sugar that's high. If I say to you, oh, your blood sugar is high. I'm sorry. That's just gonna make it worse. Right? That's the, that's the diabetes equivalent of me saying, Oh, you have your period. I won't bring up the car payment right now. Right. Okay. Okay. Yeah,

Jennifer Smith, CDE 12:02
Yeah, kinda. And I think it does bring up a good. A good point, though, especially for I think this goes more for adults who have a spouse or a significant other or partner or whatever. Because like, Nathan, he follows he's got Dexcom follow, you know, if Scott my stuff, but I mean, he doesn't keep it open and follow me all day, he's got the alarm set, and all of that for like, high and low. But other than that, I mean, he just, he likes me alone, honestly, which I'm very thankful for, I'd say to counting carbs for me if he's like done dinner or something, you know, which is awesome. But in that regard, I think it also means that as the person with diabetes, you kind of also have to share more at times. Because as I do more often with my kids, I share with them, you know, this is what I feel like right now and go color in your coloring book for like 10 minutes while Mommy changes her bad pod, or whatever it is? No, but I think it means that you have to express a little bit in order to decrease the chance that somebody's going to interpret your reaction to something in the wrong way. Because certainly, I mean, that's happened in the married a long time. And there's definitely been like blood sugar reasons for reactions that didn't really come out as response that I meant it to come out kind of sounding like. So I think sometimes you have to be open enough to be able to say, hey, you know, I need this, like, 15 minutes to manage around this, come back and like, ask me in a bit,

Scott Benner 13:42
but that could come out as I wish I would have dated your brother instead. There you go. So I have a little context around this, which I've mentioned often on the podcast over like the last year or so. And it's just that my, my iron level got really low. And I completely understand what you're saying, like saying words, not having the intention behind them that the words have and also not being able to see that it's happening. Like that's the interesting thing, like when you're saying something to somebody, even if it's a tone, you know, just the wrong tone. And you don't know what's the wrong tone while you're saying it. Like when you're being sarcastic with somebody when you're you know, when you're in an argument you're like, I'm gonna ramp this up right now, you're aware you're going to do like, I'm going to say something now that's going to make you upset, but it's happening. And not only do you not know what's happening, but you don't think it's happening. And that's the that's the real fascinating part like is that you're doing this it feels like it's you're doing it but it's just that there's a level of a, a trace element or something in your body. For me it was iron, you know, for you, it's going to be not enough insulin, and you're just you're not yourself and it's It's tough because you're asking you're getting you're an adult who's Ultra aware of their blood sugar's like you really like you're, you know, you do an amazing job for yourself. So maybe you can see it. We're all trying, right one way or the other. But my point is that maybe you've been able to teach yourself over time to go my numbers up, like I won't get involved in an important conversation right now, where I'll send my kids off the collar for a second so that I don't tell them I wish I didn't have children. But but you know, when your kids 16, or you're 24, and you've had diabetes for a year and a half, and you're at work, like you don't, you're not gonna see that common like that.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 15:42
No. And mine's more so in terms of like, like, spit out of things that I don't even know that I've like said the way that I've said is more so even when I'm low,

Scott Benner 15:53
honestly, let's switch to that idea. Now.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 15:57
It's, there's much more like the it's like a fragment of like thought in your brain. You're trying to manage how you're feeling with this low while you're probably waiting for the low to not be low anymore. And in that come the things of life. I mean, unless you're a single person and not interacting with kids or adults or other people around you. There's always someone you're interacting with. And that interaction, then in that time period where your brain isn't really firing all. Wait, it doesn't you don't interpret it coming out in sort of the jagged way that it does. And then aftermath is often Well, I'm really sorry, or, you know, I didn't mean that, or, I've Well, I felt like crap. Does he bother to me?

Scott Benner 16:49
Does it feel like that afterwards, like after it's over, and you're okay. Do you have the guilt that you did something wrong? Because it's not true? Right, you know,

Jennifer Smith, CDE 17:02
right. I mean, only in the scenario that, you know, we may have been potentially discussing something or whatnot. And that was the case during that discussion. Yeah. I mean, that obviously, every time by any means, do I feel bad about, you know, yeah. But yeah, it's a hard, it's a hard thing. And sometimes even with lows, I think that I will have responded to something. And it's been in my head that I've actually and my husband will be like, Did you hear what I asked you? And I'll be like, I told you, whatever. And he's like, No, it really didn't say it out loud. It just like that muddiness that I've, I think commented about before when I feel like I'm like, sort of like

Scott Benner 17:50
that's the real low there's a slide in there there in the beginning, right and numbers wise, doesn't really matter. But you know, if you're the way I think of it with Arden is maybe between I would say it's 65. Artem maintains herself. Hey, Dad, I feel dizzy. You know, like, she's just like that. She's a little kind of jokey about it right there. It's almost like you could be like, Hey, let's not do anything and see if you die. And she'd be like, okay.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 18:16
Yeah, that level, but it's Yeah, right. She's

Scott Benner 18:19
elated for some reason, right there, okay. And then it goes down, and her energy drops away. But if you were to catch her there, if somehow she got past the elated part into that part, and that's where you first intersected her, she'd be snappy, like, Loreal, short and nasty, right? And then I think after the nasty is what you were just talking about where the last, the last fragments or thoughts are, right? Yeah. Okay. It's almost like a and then there's, you know, falling over and not being able to help yourself. But as it's happening, are you able to consciously think, hey, my brain is trying to shut off and I'm the only one who's going to stop it. Right? Or does it turn into just a physical like, eat something feeling?

Jennifer Smith, CDE 19:06
I think it's probably a little bit of both. I mean, in my, I can't remember a specific time. Soon after my first was born, we had gone I think it was too cold to actually and I was standing in, and I was nursing IVs at that point. So all the fluxes that can kind of come with blood sugar and whatnot, mostly like lows and my husband had gone off looking for something in like the men's department and I was standing like, in the toy department. We were looking for something specific for our little guy. And I can remember feeling low, and like, you can determine like those dropping lows. I was dropping, and so I sat down with my baby on the floor. And I get out you know, my glucose tablets and I'm eating my glucose tablets and I I had my husband found me. I mean, I was fine. But I was sitting there just like waiting for the load to fix itself, because I knew that I had taken care of it. But in that I had also gotten my phone out. And I was texting him to come to the kids department, right? Because I was low, only I never hit send. Okay, I was just like, that's kind of that like, broken, like thought kind of that can happen.

Scott Benner 20:28
Wow. Do you ever get in a moment like that? Is? Are you cognizant enough to think don't fall forward on the baby? Like, do you have like, do you have those feelings? Like all

Jennifer Smith, CDE 20:38
the reason that I sat down? I mean, from my back thought to what I was doing, I would have thought, you know, I need to sit down. I've got a baby who clearly can't stand on his own yet, you know, I mean, it was I think he was probably like six months old or something. And it's a sit down, treat your low blood sugar. I mean, I've always been able to treat so I've never had an issue with not being able to help myself. Outside of like, when I was a teen with my parents. So yeah, but it's, it is I mean, in those instances, sometimes there's not enough to like even like, be angry, you just can't even communicate quite right.

Scott Benner 21:15
It's interesting. It's super interesting to me the way that first of all, the way your body handles a falling blood sugar, it's, it's when you start losing faculties, you're it's your body shutting down, it's basically services. It's like, oh, we don't need that one, like and it just, it just, it has this finite amount of sugar in your blood. And its goal is to keep your brain running. Correct, right. And so it starts shutting me out, stop, right, stop sending sugar to this idea. And this idea. So you're like, going down, and it's your body going like, it really is, it's like, let's try to see how long we can stay alive until something intervenes. But you describe the the actual actions you take very similarly. Like, alright, like, Okay, I'm not okay, I'll sit down, I'll start taking these things. That's more important than telling someone right now, it's important to tell, like you're doing the same thing. You're making these like,

Jennifer Smith, CDE 22:11
it's just that you're not like, consciously. It's almost like your brain like those, like files in the back that were like, do this now. They take over, even though you're not really like, consciously aware that you're like sitting down and like drinking your juice box, or whatever it is, you do it because it's a habit. And you know that that's what you need to do with the symptom?

Scott Benner 22:36
Would you looking back on a scenario like that, if that if the Jeeva hypo pen existed, then would you being with your baby, would that have been enough for you to be like, I'm not going to take tablets, I'm going to hit myself with glucagon. Or no, you still would have handled it that way.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 22:54
You know, possibly, with, with what I remember about that being such a quick drop in my blood sugar, I mean, it's not like we're running around the story. It's just like, I'd probably nurse before we went in the store to keep him happy. And like, there was enough to feed into the store. But I mean, maybe I mean, I certainly have got like an extra back cine that I typically take out, especially when we're like traipsing around the neighborhood to the parks, and whatever. I mean, my eight year old knows about it. So possibly, I might have done that.

Scott Benner 23:33
Just because me with the back shimmy, and like the G vote now being like ready to go. But prior to that I only ever thought of glucagon is like, you passed out and somebody came upon you and gave it to you. Like that's how it felt. But now all of a sudden, like it's there, and it's easy to use. And like, I wondered about that, like how you would think about it?

Jennifer Smith, CDE 23:53
Yeah, yeah, you could, I mean, it's certainly not a bad thought by any means. Especially I've worked with a couple of women post well through pregnancy and then postpartum who have had spouses who've been military. And so they have after a certain amount of time, postpartum, you know, their spouse goes back, you know, might be deployed again, someplace completely away from where they are, they're pretty much on their own. With a baby, they might have the support of friends or family coming in once in a while, but that's not at two o'clock in the morning. So you know, in a case like that, where you're dropping a really low and you're really worried about it not sure. That's what a product like that is therefore it's also the benefit potentially, of, you know, like mini dosing that age old red Lily glucagon.

Scott Benner 24:42
So, here's the question then, because I came at this from the idea of the people who are going to interact with a person who's either too high or too low. I have to be honest, when Arden in the past has been too low, where she's refusing, I just go with like a forceful Because I think like, I tried talking or like, you know, I've gone with the Come on sweetie drink it, it's really important like that stuff that doesn't go it's almost like you're not talking to the complete her know, you know and so you just you make these declarative forceful statements, drink the juice, drink it, drink the juice, drink the juice drinks, and I'm talking like I remember I know people say to me all the time, you know, you must know what it's like to raise a little kid with diabetes back before all the technology and I don't talk about it very much, but it's really bad. And so you know, like back before CGM and all that. There's, it's three o'clock in the morning. You're there with a six year old and you're like, alright, and drink the juice, like drink the goddamn juice right now, you know, and because there also was no CGM, like at some point. So what's happening? Yeah, I'm like, you know, and you don't, you're not yelling, you're gonna die. But you're, it's how it feels in your head when you're talking to them. And I think that's much easier to figure out with a low blood sugar, right? Like, that's obvious to people, but it's the, it's always the high ones that make me I feel badly, like, I feel badly when I hear I've used this example over and over again, but it sticks with me, like right in the center of my heart so much that a woman found the podcast, it helped her daughter. And when she sent me a note, months later, to thank me, she said, I really just thought my daughter was a bitch her words, and that we weren't going to get along for our whole life. And it turns out, my daughter is a lovely person. And I didn't know because her blood sugar was always high. And that makes me want to cry. And, you know, and, and the, the idea that that could happen, either at the beginning, right? Like, you'll hear people say, Oh, I didn't realize, you know, that this stuff happened, or I helped somebody recently, with a baby, a young kid who has autism. And at the end of talking, I said, Hey, you might see a difference in, you know, just how to validate personality and stuff. And that person was so sure that that wasn't going to happen. And then three days later said to me, you know, he is happier. And I said, Yeah, like you don't, you don't know. And then that's a sad situation, because then the the poor kid couldn't tell, you know, could isn't verbal to begin with very much. And but I just think about that for everybody else, if you're running around with blood sugars that are 170, all the time your body gets used to it. So physically, you think you're okay, but you're not like you're not the person, you were going to be right without diabetes, you know. And so there's just what

Jennifer Smith, CDE 27:40
even from a mental standpoint to even from performance, right? You may not be, you may not be putting out everything you possibly could putting things together, whether it's in school, or college or job or whatever. Because your brain is really not working at the level of glucose that is healthy for it to work at

Scott Benner 28:06
this conversation is at the core, why I initially years ago, brusque, so hard at the idea of better high than low. I was like, I don't think that's right. You know, you know, like, I think that that that does not seem right to me, I've known people who through a lifetime, we're not who they were supposed to be, I just know it. And if you lose your you know, it's it. Every day you lose is gone, every hour you lose is gone. And days turn into months that turn into years. And before you know what people just think you're a prick. And you know, and that's just not,

Jennifer Smith, CDE 28:40
you may not be at all. Yeah, maybe with

Scott Benner 28:43
another two units of basil all day long, you would have been an absolutely delightful person and that, and, and then I think about the people on the other side who have to deal with you who love you. And then think, Oh, I love a guy who's just a jerk, but maybe isn't, or you know, vice versa, or your kids or I don't know, I just I want people to be very aware that outside of a normal range, that the lack of or addition of sugar in your blood is having a real big impact on your personality and your ability to live and make decisions and everything right?

Jennifer Smith, CDE 29:16
I mean, I've even had parents who who've asked me, you know, how do you? How do you discipline your child with diabetes? When you're like, do you always refer back to the blood sugar to begin with? Or, you know, do you just discipline them as if they don't have diabetes? And quite honestly, think if they require discipline, because they threw the stone through the front window? Because they were aiming and wanted to do it? I mean, really, unless their blood sugar's like 12 really low or really high. Obviously, that was that was like a decision on their part. They deserve to be punished right away that

Scott Benner 29:56
if your blood sugar's 150, and you're breaking windows You're just a gift. Yeah, but, but But I mean, but if your blood sugar has been to 20 for your whole life, and you can't do well in math, it might not be because you're not good at math. Right? And you got to make that decision. Yeah, I mean, listen, I There are times, there's been one or two times that Arden has been so low, that she has said horrible things to me. And I just, I bear down and I think that's the blood sugar, and I just let it go. But you really have to be ready for it like because it's hard not to react. You know, I mean, Jenny, I'll bleep this out later. But when an eight year old calls you and you're like, Whoa, hold on. Please drink the juice. I wasn't looking for this I didn't recognize. And you know what, I've heard adults talk about it too, in a marriage situation where one person is physically stronger than the other person. And you know, can get low and then get, you know, violent, like, not on purpose, right. And now you're in a much different situation. Yeah,

Jennifer Smith, CDE 31:09
I actually had that when I was working in DC, a couple, an older couple had actually come in to our diabetes clinic. And the man was complaining, he's like, sometimes I'm scared. I think she had gone to the bathroom or something. And then we were just chatting. And I think it was on the topic of like, hypose. And he brought up he's like, sometimes I'm kind of scared of her. He's like, one day she threw a coffee cup. Okay, well, that wasn't really your wife. That was a low blood sugar.

Scott Benner 31:42
So I will tell you for blood sugars every 95 and she throws something at you. I don't think she likes you.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 31:48
Then there was something you did really nasty to her. So

Scott Benner 31:51
that's okay. I appreciate you talking about that was really good.

Could you just not talk to Jenny every day, I know I could. I wish I could actually just doesn't work out like that. Anyway, Jenny does this for a living it integrated diabetes.com. And you can check her out there. There's a link in the show notes. What comes next is about the T one D exchange. If you heard it in the last episode with Johnny, and you haven't done it, let's get to it. But if you haven't, the T one D exchange needs your help. And the help they need is super simple to give. You just go to T one D exchange.org. Forward slash juicebox. That's my link, use that link. And then when you get there, click on Join our registering now. And after that you complete this simple, quick survey. It's for US residents only. But it's so easy. Like right now, if you did it right now look at your watch. Or you probably don't have the watch to pick up your phone, touch the face of it. If you did it right now, you'd be done in less than 10 minutes. It took me three hours to bring you this episode. And this is all I'm asking in return. T one D exchange.org. Forward slash juicebox. I mean, seriously, I had to book Jenny, record the thing. Edit it. I mean, you notice how there's no like pops and clicks and noises and nothing distracting while you're listening. You're welcome. That was me. Scott. click click click with the mouse. They fix the whole thing for you. hours it took like you're just like, oh, it was a quick 25 minute episode. It was nice. God said insulins important. Bah, bah, no, no, there's more than that. It's deep. It's deep. It's building a narrative in your life about type one diabetes, giving you the tools and the access to information for the free. And all I ask is that you go to T one D exchange.org. Forward slash juicebox. I only need 6000 of you to do it. I mean, there were hundreds of 1000s of downloads last month. I just need six of you. And I'm saying of the hundreds of 1000s of downloads. I need 6000 I'm tired of saying it too. I know you're tired of hearing it. I'm tired of saying it. But I mean at some point one of us has got to pick up the mantle and do their part. I can only do this I filled out the survey is easy. Alright, I'm gonna stop I apologize. That was I that was too much. Too much. I should just say T one D exchange.org. Forward slash juicebox. You need to be a US resident who has type one or is the caregiver of someone with type one. Please go fill it out if you have the chance. I mean that's that's how I should say it. But I mean, come on. This podcast is amazing. And it's free. Free and what do I say to you? You know if you want to try out an omni pod, go to omnipod.com Ford slash juice box I say if you want to check out a Dexcom go to dexcom.com forward slash use box I say you want to get a great meter contour next.com forward slash juice box I say hey, my daughter's got this G voc hypo pen you should check it out. That's it. I mean, you don't have to check it out. I'm not telling you to buy an AMI. But it's not like if you don't buy an AMI pod, you're not allowed to listen anymore. I'm just saying if you're going to go check it out, but this T one D exchange thing. I mean, you're on the internet constantly. I see the people in my life. I know you don't put the phone down. And I'm not judging you. I'm just saying why you're doing it. You don't I mean, P one, D exchange.org. Forward slash juicebox. Help a guy out a little bit. Don't make me beg you. It's embarrassing. I'll tell you what, if the T one D exchange contacts me at the end of the month, next month at the end of June and says we've added 1000 new people to the registry. Thanks to you. If they say that, what will I do? I will do an online talk about using insulin. Once a week, in July, once a week. Okay, I'll come on. I'll do it on Zoom. It'll be free, obviously, because you helped me out with the D one D exchange thing. And I will answer everyone's questions as long as I can. If we reach 1000. Now if we reach 1500, I'll get Jenny on one of those calls. If you do 2000 I'll do the call. Right? Every day every what I say every week in July. Jenny wants and what else will I do? I'll do something else. That's cool. I don't know what yet, but trust me, I'll come through T one D exchange.org. Forward slash juicebox. Use the link complete the survey. That's it

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