#1184 Just Potter

Brittany is a returning guest. This time she is a mom.

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Scott Benner 0:00
Let's all go to the lobby and have ourselves a snack. Hello friends welcome to episode 1184 of the Juicebox Podcast and if you know that song, you're old

Hey, I'll be talking with Britney today. This is Brittany second time on the show she's 29 years old was diagnosed with type one diabetes when she was 12. She's had a one season the sevens and eights when she was younger. And she's back today to talk about a number of things, not the least of which is having a baby. And we talk a lot about the movies, which is why sang that old song from the 50s about going to the lobby to get a snack. Let's all go to the lobby you don't know. Whatever, young people. While you're listening today, please remember that nothing you hear on the Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice, medical or otherwise. Always consult a physician before making any changes to your healthcare plan are becoming bold with insulin. Here's a couple of things for you to do very quickly. cozier.com use the offer code juice box a 40% go to T one D exchange.org/juice. box fill out the survey completely you're helping people with type one diabetes through type one diabetes research must be a US resident have type one or be the caregiver of someone with type one. Drink ag one.com/juice box start with ag one with my link. You're gonna get some extra stuff. You'll find out about it on that link. One last thing or a.com/juice box online production and so much more get a free 14 day trial ora.com/juice box au are a Today's episode is sponsored by touched by type one that's touched by type one.org great organization helping people with type one diabetes, they just want you to know about them, and to follow them on Facebook and Instagram touched by type one.org. You know what else? This episode of The Juicebox Podcast is sponsored by the ever since CGM. And sure all CGM systems use Transcutaneous sensors that are inserted into the skin and lasts seven to 14 days. But the Eversense sensor is inserted completely under the skin lasting six months ever since cgm.com/juicebox. Today's episode is sponsored by Medtronic diabetes, a company that's bringing people together to redefine what it means to live with diabetes. Later in this episode, I'll be speaking with Jalen, he was diagnosed with type one diabetes at 14. He's 29. Now he's going to tell you a little bit about his story. And then later at the end of this episode, you can hear my entire conversation with Jalen to hear more stories with Medtronic champions. Go to Medtronic diabetes.com/juice box or searched the hashtag Medtronic champion on your favorite social media platform.

Brittany 2:48
I'm Brittany, and I'm back a year later. Last time I was on the show I was home, I think I was over 20 weeks pregnant. So now I'm kind of ironic. I'm almost nine months, nine months out from being nine months and last time I was

Scott Benner 3:07
on the show. We're hitting a little bit of a thing here. Okay.

Brittany 3:11
So I'm back to kind of just talk about everything I learned in my pregnancy and birth. And now being a mom with type one.

Scott Benner 3:19
Excellent. Do you know the episode we run initially?

Brittany 3:25
The number I don't remember the number. Let's see if we don't because I was very excited when I saw it.

Scott Benner 3:35
Things go by Alright, here's what I can do. I will search the word pregnant. See if that gets me anything. Miriam pregnant in Slovenia. That's not you know, we insurance our pregnancy stories. diabetes, pro tip pregnancy. In vitro? Jevin. In vitro? Nope. Okay, now we go to your first name.

Brittany 3:59
Your first name is not one that was accidentally pregnant before my wedding.

Scott Benner 4:05
Interesting. I probably ended up calling it something ridiculous. Now. I can't search it. Do you remember what it was called?

Brittany 4:11
No, I don't. But now I have long brains. That's my excuse. I'm gonna second it was something short and sweet. Well,

Scott Benner 4:18
I've now just I've searched your first name Brittany. correct spelling on my website. Episode 102. Not you. This is Brittany digs. She was abducted. Do you know this when she was abducted, put in the trunk of her car and escaped using the light from on top. And we brought that up and we return? Yes. Yes. And then here's one Brittany smokes a lot of weed and has a bunch of autoimmune diseases. That's not you? Absolutely. Do you smoke a lot? A lot to say if you don't want to. No, I don't. Okay, Tommy's mom, daughter Brittany has a rash in Penn. Facebook last scription was

Brittany 4:55
like Britney is type one diabetic in six months pregnant. I do know that serious

Scott Benner 4:59
Wait, hold on a second. Let's go back. Yeah. I didn't call you like preggers or something like that, right? I'm spelling pregnant correctly, Ani? Yes. Imagine if I wasn't spelling pregnant correctly. Alright. You don't live in Slovenia? No, you're not calling. Are you Miriam? You're not Miriam. She's having a baby. Nope, that Samantha title was so short. How many of you all been pregnant on this podcast? Geez. You're not Canadian? Nope. Is that there's one called for love of attendant that has pregnancy in it.

Brittany 5:35
I'm impressed you somebody's pregnant. I feel like those are important stories. Oh, my

Scott Benner 5:39
God. Yeah. Well, you know why? We're never going to figure out what Episode You're on. So we're gonna let that go now. But anyway, Brittany has been on the podcast before there's today's counting 1041 other episodes, just go listen to them all, eventually, you'll hear it. Think the pregnancy stories are really interesting and important. For two reasons. One of them doesn't get covered as well. That's not my fault, though. For the first reason is, a lot of you're gonna get pregnant. And it's adds its own set of challenges. And they are a little repeatable from story to story, so you can really learn from them. The other, I think the other reason is because pregnancy is really just a variable, but a lot of them and they switch frequently. So if you can handle pregnancy, you could you could diabetes, anything you know, so I think that even if you're a man or never going to be pregnant, or anything like that, I still think those conversations are really important. That's why I love having them appreciate you being on. So let's do a little bit of catch up. The baby came out. Was it a little boy baby, a little boy, girl, baby

Brittany 6:50
was a boy. Oh, and you named Scott time you were asking? Yeah. And I named him probably the opposite of Scott.

Scott Benner 6:55
There's an opposite of Scott, which talks to calm talks. It's it's super

Brittany 7:00
unique and very different. And I like seeing people's reaction. Or you go gaga is name is Ace, AC. Oh, my God.

Scott Benner 7:11
Ace is the kid's name. Now, is this a? Is this? Is this a? It's not a kiss thing? Is it?

Brittany 7:19
No, no. It's funny, like everyone's different guests. And ties. Right, right. Well, my husband is a pilot. So people do go by that by default. But that's not even really where the thought train was. Oh,

Scott Benner 7:34
okay. When you got pregnant, did he do the thing from Star Wars, where they had to blow up the death star at the end? It wouldn't have been sexy, but it would have been hilarious. I

Brittany 7:43
hate Star Wars and he loves Star Wars. So he'll probably appreciate that. Yeah, no, no, we wanted a unique name. We didn't know we were having a boy or girl. And I don't know, we just liked it. It's just as simple as that. But I guess I kind of like the has ties to like, I guess I can say this. Our last name is heart. And so ace of hearts. It's kind of a tie to playing cards. And I was just at my nanny who's passed. So there's a little sentiment there. But other than that, I just want him to have a unique name that no kid would have. Because I am a teacher. And that's hard to find.

Scott Benner 8:19
Yeah. If you have another kid, you're gonna call them like club or something like that.

Brittany 8:24
So we've gotten all the questions about like, how are you didn't follow up this? And I'm still like processing like type one diabetes pregnancy, so I'm just able to answer that right now.

Scott Benner 8:34
Can I vote? I think the next kids Joker, Joker. I've gotten that from my students. 100% It's got to be Joker and Ace. Are you kidding me? That would be amazing. They could probably have like a whatever the next tick tock is going to be in 15 years they'll probably be very, very famous for, by the way tick tock fame last six months, everybody so you'll be very, very famous for like five seconds. But yeah, yeah. Okay, so ace comes out. Do people sing the hardware store song to you sometimes?

Brittany 9:02
I don't get that a lot. I have a spin Shura? I've heard that. But yeah, no, I haven't had the Ace Hardware song yet. But when we told him he's in school, but maybe that will be relevant.

Scott Benner 9:15
Yeah, I'm going to start calling your kid that helpful hardware man. And then we'll see where that goes from there. This episode is sponsored by Medtronic. diabetes, Medtronic diabetes.com/juice box. And now we're going to hear from Medtronic champion. Jalen.

Brittany 9:31
I was going straight into high school. So it was a summer heading into high school was that particularly difficult? Unimaginable. You know, I missed my entire summer. So I went I was going to a brand new school. I was around a bunch of new people that I had not been going to school with. So it was hard trying to balance that while also explaining to people what type one diabetes was. My hometown did not have an endocrinologist. So I was traveling over an hour to the nearest endocrinologist for children. So, you know, I decided that I didn't have any type of support in my hometown. Did

Scott Benner 10:04
you try to explain to people? Or did you find it easier just to stay private?

Brittany 10:09
I honestly, I just held back I didn't really like talking about it. It was just, it felt like it was just an repeating record where I was saying things and people weren't understanding it. And I also was still in the process of learning it. So I just kept it to myself didn't really talk about it.

Scott Benner 10:24
Did you eventually find people in real life that you could confide in,

Brittany 10:28
I never really got the experience until after getting to college. And then once I graduated college, it's all I see, you know, you can easily search Medtronic champions, you see people that pop up, and you're like, wow, look at all this content. And I think that's something that motivates me started embracing more, you know, how I'm able to type one diabetes.

Scott Benner 10:49
To hear Jay Lynn's entire conversation stay till the very end, Medtronic diabetes.com/juice box to hear more stories from the Medtronic champion community. Well, I love that you pick something different. Obviously, my kid's name is Art. And so yeah, I'm done with that. You can appreciate that. Yeah. Arden is when we chose Arden as a name. We went to the there's a website that the US government has that tells you how many people have your first name. And really, it's broken down by gender as well. So when we were choosing to wow, how old was art in 2004. She was born. So it's like 2003. And my wife and I are like, you know, going through baby names and everything. When we landed on a couple of them, we started looking more deeply into them Arden at that time, only something over 9000 Not 10,000 over 9000 Americans were named Arden. And an overwhelming majority of them were men. And they were older. So and we were like, yeah, we'll call our daughter back. And yeah, to do that for us.

Brittany 11:57
I don't know if they'll be disappointed. Maybe it's more popular than I assume, but I don't know any. So

Scott Benner 12:02
maybe, hey, do you have an ability to be a little closer to your microphone by any chance?

Brittany 12:07
Yeah, I think so. Well, it's my phone is up better.

Scott Benner 12:10
Are you gonna you're on your phone? Yeah. Are you on your speakerphone? No,

Brittany 12:19
I have with air pods in and I just have the zoom app open. Oh,

Scott Benner 12:23
okay. So you're talking through the air pods? Yes, yeah. Okay. Is your hair blocking it or anything like that?

Brittany 12:30
No, actually, I had been on today. Okay. All

Scott Benner 12:33
right. That's fine. Don't worry. You know, we'll do we'll just make the editor fix it. Fix this Rob. Done. The poor guy. I'm not paying him that much money. He's probably like to get us all. Tell her to get a different headset and lead me out of this. Okay, so aces out. We've already I'll tell you right now I'm I had to push the feeling out of my head that it never occurred to me that the blowing up of the Deathstar was oddly sexual. But Tao that hit me like a ton of bricks. And so, really, did you ever think that? No, I

Brittany 13:07
don't like Star Wars, and I watched like 10 movies in my life. So

Scott Benner 13:10
wait a second. You don't watch movies ever? No, I don't do not like, strongly

Brittany 13:16
encouraged. I don't like sitting for over an hour and a half staring at the screen.

Scott Benner 13:23
Fair enough. But I mean, there have been some really good movies. They don't capture you.

Brittany 13:29
They don't capture me. What do you do with that reader?

Scott Benner 13:32
Are you not sitting while you're reading? I am sitting while I'm reading. This is hypocritical of you, but okay, so

Brittany 13:39
read for an hour and a half. Okay, fair enough. 2030 minutes, max. Yeah. Before Bed?

Scott Benner 13:46
That kind of stuff. Yeah. Okay. No, girls don't do that. Do that. Girls do that. I gotta add that to my list of questions that I asked people like, dude, because men will like make up an encampment. Yeah. All right. I'm actually writing this down. Do women sit too long? And do stuff in the bathroom? That's not the bathroom. Okay. There's my description of that. Okay, so But back to this. Well, what's the best movie you've ever seen? The

Brittany 14:22
best movie I've ever seen. It's interesting. You're not gonna answer that. And I'm big Harry Potter person. Did you like my default answer?

Scott Benner 14:29
Did you like the movie?

Brittany 14:30
I did like the movies, but probably because I could relate to the book. Wait,

Scott Benner 14:34
have you seen them all? I've seen them all. Isn't there like 677 Look at me. So you've seen 10 movies. Seven of them are Harry Potter movie or the other three like those bad remakes with the the British guy at the British guy.

Brittany 14:51
I feel it. Some family sit around and like it's part of their family traditions. culture I like to watch movies. My family never did that. My mom still this day does not watch TV. Does she have one? She has one. Is it embarrassingly old? No, because my dad watches it. But like to watch the news, like, we just weren't TV movie people. And I know a lot of people think that's weird about me, but I'd kind of like to use

Scott Benner 15:21
a few of my most endearing memories are in movie theaters.

Brittany 15:26
Really? Yeah. Like,

Scott Benner 15:27
it's kind of creepy to me. No, I wasn't. No, it's not a Peewee Herman thing. This is a sweet thing. Hold on. I'm going to explain it to you now. Please do what did you imagine I was doing in the theater.

Brittany 15:41
I just don't feel like it would be an endearing place to make a memory.

Scott Benner 15:44
So one night, Kelly had to work late. The kids were really young. Like Arden was like, three ish, maybe that which makes call maybe five. And Kelly had to work late than her train got. Oh, wow. Yeah, the reason the train got slowed down might not be in a good part of the conversation. So I'll skip over that. Let's just say some people like to step in front of trains when they're tired of being alive. So Kelly was stuck on the railroad tracks for a number of hours coming down from the city. And I was incredibly scared that I was going to fall asleep and not be there to pick her up because we grew up like when we were Jesus the whole time. My wife took the train. We were too broke to pay for the parking at the train station. So I would get up early every morning and drive her to the train station. And then come get her in the afternoon. So there was a movie theater, not far from the train station. So I put the kids in their pajamas. And I took them to a movie and I watched we watched spirit stallion of the Cimarron. Which you're not gonna know it's a an animated movie about a horse. In the Old West I have

Brittany 16:54
seen isn't a toy Disney related to DreamWorks. I think I have seen like those types of movies.

Scott Benner 17:00
Okay. Okay, so so my kids and I sit there. We're all in our pajamas. How many times have you thought it's time to change my CGM? I just changed it. And then you look and realize, Oh my God, it's been 14 days already a week, week and a half. Feels like I just did this. Well, you'll never feel like that with the Eversense CGM. Because ever since is the only long term CGM was six months of real time glucose readings giving you more convenience, confidence and flexibility. So if you're one of those people who has that thought that I just did this then I why I'm gonna have to do this again right now. If you don't like that feeling, give ever sense a try. Because we've ever since you'll replace the sensor just once every six months via a simple in office visit. Ever since cgm.com/juice box to learn more and get started today. Would you like to take a break, take a shower you can with ever since without wasting a sensor, don't want anybody to know for your big day. Take it off. No one asked to know have your sensor has been failing before 10 or 14 days. That won't happen with ever since. Have you ever had a sensor get torn off while you're pulling off your shirt? That won't happen with ever since. So no sensor to get knocked off. It's as discreet as you want it to be. It's incredibly accurate. And you only have to change it once every six months. Ever since cgm.com/juice. Box. And we made like we brought a blanket. And like we did this whole thing and we just cuddled up and watch this movie. My son must have had an amazing time because he then was like love that movie and like merchandise from it for years afterwards. And then we picked my wife up after she had this very kind of like harrowing experience. And I watched her look in the car and see the kids in their pajamas. And I was like, Hey, we just got back from a movie. And she was like, she was delighted that we did that. And it was a nice and that's why I remember all that. Yeah, I remember a man suicide very fondly is what I'm saying to you

Brittany 19:03
know, make the best of situation. Yeah,

Scott Benner 19:06
I leave that part out when I remembered if I'm being 100% on. Yeah, yeah, I went to get Thank you. I appreciate you. But oh my god. Romeo is bleeding. Do you know that movie? No. Gary Oldman. Me and my friend Mike are seeing it in this theater. It's a sparsely like, there's not a lot of people in the theater. And this group of young kids come in. They're a bit rough and tumble you can hear as they're coming through the place. But the movies like an hour and 15 minutes into the film. So obviously their movie ended they were sneaking into another movie. big group of kids. They come in they're going row. Romeo, where art thou like they're doing that coming in the theater? They settle in two rows behind us, and two of them. One of the women and one of the men begin to copulate. You know that word Yeah. So she's seated and he's facing. And it becomes obvious after a moment that they're trying to blow up the Death Star. And I'm like, These people seem dangerous. But Mike was going to say something. And I remember putting my hand on his. And I'm just like, do do not say anything like that. I'm like, they're willing to walk into a movie theater screaming, and then have intercourse. I don't think we're up for this fight. Anyway, that's a movie theater memory I'll have for the rest of my life. Yeah, you

Brittany 20:39
have some really positive funny ones.

Scott Benner 20:42
I've been to a lot of movies, though. Yeah, I have not. Yeah. When I was younger and angry. I remember schooling a bunch of people on how to be quiet in the movie theater. And after I did it, every adult in the room applauded and thanked me out loud. Well, no, I'm

Brittany 20:57
definitely not going to be going. Because now I have a baby. And that's something that we have not figured out how we can do.

Scott Benner 21:02
How old's the baby now? What do we say nine months?

Brittany 21:05
He's nine months on Sunday. Oh, well, you're not

Scott Benner 21:09
gonna make any effort to take that kid to a movie. You won't even take your own kid to a movie. Are you willing to take yourself to a movie? Right?

Brittany 21:14
I mean, my husband mobile, he feels very strongly and other side like his family's type of family that will randomly like send a movie quote in the family group message and everyone's guessing and I'm just silent.

Scott Benner 21:24
Have you never seen a movie on Christmas Day? No, the best time to go. But what's ironic

Brittany 21:30
is I actually worked at a movie theater in high schools. Okay, for maybe this is like a deep, dark memory for me. Because I absolutely hated it. And I always smelled like popcorn. And they asked me to work on Christmas Day. And I was like, 16 was like, Absolutely not. And not having any work etiquette. I just called them one day and was like, I'm not coming back.

Scott Benner 21:57
I was like, what? You're not concerned that there's an entire day where Jewish people have nothing to do and this is the only thing for them to do and you didn't want to help them? I

Brittany 22:04
guess not. I was 16, self centered.

Scott Benner 22:08
16 and self centered. That should be the name of all of our autobiographies.

Brittany 22:14
Gonna say it sounds like a movie title. It does,

Scott Benner 22:16
right. Okay, fine. So you're gonna ruin this kid's life and take it to movies, whatever, that's fine for you. But don't you get like your, your husband's gonna get to pick all the movies. So what's gonna happen? Here's what's gonna happen. 18 years from now, some girl is going to try Well, I guess if he's gay, it'll work out. But some girl is going to try to get that boy to sit down and watch a romantic comedy with her. And he's not going to do it. Because he hadn't gone through the beatings of you dragging him to Michelle Pfeiffer films or whatever. Do you know what I mean?

Brittany 22:48
And I already haven't steal the love of books for him. Like he has a ridiculous amount of books for a nine month old. And the other day his daycare teacher told me, you know, we did storytime today. And they're all babies. So, you know, she's just sitting there trying to read him the story with the three other babies and she's like, he actually sat there and listened and intended to it. While the other babies were just looking around or crawling away from me. Like I've never seen that before. And I was like, Oh, he's

Scott Benner 23:16
been indoctrinated. You've got it. You're done. Well, you've created a little baby readings. I don't know. I don't know. I was gonna say zombie, but maybe it's more than that. Maybe it's a cult. Maybe it's a cult. Yeah. Yeah.

Brittany 23:27
So he's officially on the dark side of my, my reading.

Scott Benner 23:33
Okay. All right. I'm okay. With all this. It's fine with me. Can I suggest a couple of movies for you to try? Yeah, you could suggest them at the end. I'm gonna make a list. I want to make a list of movies while we're talking. That I think you should try. Do you have anything that you enjoy more than something else? Like a genre?

Brittany 23:50
I like movies that make me cry. Oh,

Scott Benner 23:53
I love to cry. Because I'm a big SAP. You want to cry? Alright, I'm gonna think about that while we're gone. Alright, so aces. Dad puts that baby in there you come on the podcast, Kid cooks comes out what you learned what you figured out?

Brittany 24:08
So I think, you know, your whole premise of the podcast was being bold with insulin. And I talked a lot on my last episode about how I never really knew how to do that. And I think mostly comes from the fact that I was afraid of insulin for a lot of time that I had diabetes as a teen and didn't really know how to use it properly. I guess. Like I think a lot about how when I was diagnosed, I feel like I was told this is insulin. Count your carbs. Use this ratio. Take your insulin, don't go low.

Scott Benner 24:43
Don't go low. And don't

Brittany 24:44
go low. You know low is so scary to avoid at all costs. If you're low, like make sure you eat 15 carbs and make sure your blood sugar comes up and if it doesn't, in time, eat another 15 carbs and I don't think I followed that script and didn't really get me anywhere. And I became afraid I have using insulin and then I really have to deconstruct that idea. In order to get the agency in the numbers, the 70 to 140 range is what's recommended for pregnancy. And that was probably the biggest barrier that I had to break through. And I didn't slowly I did it step by step.

Scott Benner 25:17
I want to hear about it. Yeah, tell me first when you were, how old were you diagnosed? 12. Okay, so through those years, Where were your a one sees that? Like, what was average for you always, always in sevens or eights? Sevens or eights?

Brittany 25:33
Yeah, but I think I talked last time to how I was much very much a person that was like 300 or 50. So I just kind of balanced out in the middle and I got a one sees that looked okay. On paper. Yeah.

Scott Benner 25:45
That's pretty common for for them. For sure. Yeah. So is the pregnancy, what makes you like figure it out? Or were you on your road to that before then?

Brittany 25:55
Definitely the pregnancy. So I had a an endocrinology appointment, you know, you're getting married, and I started a family. Yes, and yes. And then she told me, the numbers told me the expectations. And just that was pretty much it. And I was so overwhelmed. I have recently got control IQ, which helped me immensely. But I still was like, I was like, 6.7 with control IQ. Okay, I still had to learn how to how to use strategies and skills and just knowing my body and trusting insulin to get it under six.

Scott Benner 26:31
Let me ask you quickly, was it strategies and skills? Or was it the amount of insulin or was it both that you were lacking?

Brittany 26:37
Was bull, okay? When that happened, I was like, Okay, let me just try each month to get my average blood sugar because I use Dexcom clarity. So I think when I started, this was like, 165 was my average. And I knew a weakness of mine was Pre-Bolus thing. I had known that since forever. But that was being afraid of insulin, I was so afraid of insulin that I wouldn't want to give insulin prior. And fear that like somehow it would make me start crashing, or I wouldn't eat what I thought I was going to eat or something would happen. So I had to work around that. But you know, I started just Pre-Bolus and even five minutes, 10 minutes, 15 minutes until I got off to like a nice 15 minute Pre-Bolus would slowly start to see myself come down and then eat. And that alone I think brought me to like a 130 Yeah, average. I mean, it was life changing.

Scott Benner 27:34
People. I tell people all the time, I think Pre-Bolus thing brings Ray once he down a point. And it just, you know, it cuts out a lot of spikes. And a lot of those times where your blood sugar hangs high. And it stops lows later, which stop you from eating more food and going back up again.

Brittany 27:53
Right. It completely stopped the roller coaster that I was often. Yeah,

Scott Benner 27:57
okay. That's amazing. Well, I know the onus right, you do it because you're pregnant and the doctors probably sitting there telling you I mean, you just had this baby. You're 29. Right. So you live for like 16 years with diabetes within a onesie in the sevens. Is that about right? Yeah, yeah. Okay. So this is a complete change for you. You have to do it because sleep change. Yeah. Because you have to do it because you want to make the baby. But that's really it. Right? Yeah.

Brittany 28:22
And I genuinely didn't believe that I could do it. Really, like I had been so stuck. And my because it was 16 years like or 15 years of living like that. And I I just thought I knew, and I don't know, I knew I was afraid and I thought I knew what I didn't. So I was going into it very overwhelmed. So I would I did that for a month and then the next month, I focused on accurately treating lows. That was another big weakness for me. Once again, being afraid of insulin, overtreating.

Scott Benner 29:00
So you were treating lows over treating lows, then not putting any insulin in for what you've just done with the food.

Brittany 29:06
Right. Okay. Because I was terrified of being well, I've never had a seizure, but that was always a big fear of mine. And honestly, like the way I was educated in the hospital, my family was really afraid of me going well as a kid. So when I would be low, like it was like, you know, urgent, like drink this whole glass of chocolate milk is something that I see now it's completely unnecessary. But at the time, that was what we thought we needed to do to keep me safe. Wow.

Scott Benner 29:34
And you broke this up into pieces because, well, I have to tell you, you're talking about crying earlier. You just said I genuinely thought I couldn't do it. That almost made me cry. I got I got like, momentarily. I wasn't like choking back tears. But I had that like, I don't want to like paint myself as as unstable. But I got that welled up feeling like oh, that's so sad. You know, not just because yeah for a number For reasons not just because you were trying to have a baby but just in general it was I found it sad. But so is that why you broke it down into steps? Because it felt undoable and you thought I'm gonna have to do this and in segments,

Brittany 30:12
yes, I could not I knew like the areas needed to work on like over, not overtraining lows Pre-Bolus thing. I started pairing protein a lot with meals to help stay stable. Trying to think of Oh, movement, like using like walking if I'm like, above a certain number. And I knew if I try to do all those things at once, it would be too much for me. So I just did one one thing at a time until I was in all those habits at the same time.

Scott Benner 30:44
Oh, nice. I have my first movie for you that I think will make you cry. Okay, it's not a particularly good movie. It's a manipulative movie. Like it's trying to make you cry. But, okay. I saw it under protest with my wife in a movie theater. Like it was one of them. I must have looked like a four year old being drugged. They're like, oh, I want to see let's do a movie. There's other good movies out why? Watch it? Again, I'm going to tell you it's not a good movie. But life as a house. Kevin Costner Now Kevin Kline, Kevin Kline. Oh, God all look, hold on a second. Okay, I'm

Brittany 31:23
ready down.

Scott Benner 31:24
Alright. It's not a good movie. Don't watch it. No one listened to it and be like, I'm about to see a good movie. It's Kevin Kline, who by the way, I think as a kid with type one diabetes. I probably shouldn't say this. I should probably shouldn't say that. In case it's not true. But I feel like he's been involved with JDRF before. Hold on a second. Look at this Kevin Kline rabbit hole. We found ourselves down very quickly.

Brittany 31:45
You don't even have to tell me it's not gonna be good movie because I don't watch Kevin

Scott Benner 31:48
Kline expectations are low. Hold on a second. Kevin Kline and Phoebe cage. Do you know who Phoebe Cates is? No, that's upsetting. Wait, wait, hold on a second. That means you've never seen Fast Times at Ridgemont High.

Brittany 32:03
No. I disappoint a lot of people when I get to this top boy that she's

Scott Benner 32:09
60 Oh my god. Phoebe Cates, if you're listening is 60 now. And when I was a young person, she was the hot girl in a bikini in a movie back when they used to put a lot. Listen for you young people. You don't know this. But movies had boobs all the time. Like that was a thing. Like if you if you went to a movie and some girl didn't take her top off and you were just like, what happened to this movie? Where's the boobs? Like? It was like that. Phoebe Cates is married to Kevin Kline, Kevin Kline, a terrific actor, Phoebe Cates a lovely woman. They have a 29 year old child named Owen. He has type one diabetes. No way. I know things. Dammit. Alright, so yeah, you really pulled that out? I really did as amazing. That's why you people listen to this podcast for the depth of good information I have in my head and completely useless information that I have in my head. So Fast Times at Ridgemont High? No. No.

Brittany 33:07
I'm telling you, I disappoint people because I don't I cannot relate. Like if I'm in a public situation and people start talking about movies. I just want to leave. I just want to melt them to the ground. If someone

Scott Benner 33:20
says Spicoli to you, it means nothing. No. All right. Jesus, whatever. Okay, it's fine. I'm gonna give you my here's my second crying idea. But it's a big ask. And people are gonna think I'm out of my mind. Except for the people who know what I'm talking about. You have to go watch all the Marvel superhero movies.

Brittany 33:42
I've been forced to watch the movies you have. These are the ones that have like the extension at the end after the credits. Yes.

Scott Benner 33:48
I can't believe that's how you know about the Marvel movies. You're like they put stuff at the end of the credits that even makes me sit there for that. That's it right. My husband won't leave the theater. Yeah. And he won't take you to a decent dinner and and he's, he's too bloated with popcorn even give you a good time afterwards. And you're just sitting there all annoyed? Is this all right? Yeah, okay. And you're in New England, so it's cold as hell. So you're pissed all the time. So. Okay, so here's why. I think it's an end game. So did you see endgame? I mean, spoiler alert. For the for people who haven't seen these movies, but like, When? When? When iron man dies? Have you seen that? I don't know. Probably. And they have a funeral at the end. At a cabin.

Brittany 34:32
I think I have seen this one.

Scott Benner 34:34
Oh my god, this is so. All right. Here's why I'm saying this. I think people have seen them already. Probably know why. I don't know that I've ever cried more in a movie, which felt ridiculous to me when it was happening because we were in fact, watching superhero movies. Okay, which would don't have a ton of heart to them. Usually. And these are movies that have been out for like, I don't know, at that point. It felt like a decade like we were getting to the end of it. Maybe that had something to do with it. But anyway, Robert Downey Jr. who will refer to as RDJ. Going forward is Iron Man. He has a daughter in the movies, he dies in this battle to save the universe. And at his funeral, his best friend sits down next to his daughter, ask, like how she's doing. And she says, she's like, once a cheeseburger, and he says, I'll make you as many cheeseburgers as you want. Your dad loved cheeseburgers, and made everybody cry. Because in the very

Brittany 35:35
cold and it felt like sun being in the reading. That is like a colon itself. I

Scott Benner 35:43
just heard you defend the reading thing. That was a fantastic response to what I just said Good for you. Because in the first Iron Man movie, it Tony's taking, this is so ridiculous, taken hostage, and he escapes finally, and when he comes back to have a press conference, because he's a famous like billionaire. He stops and gets cheeseburgers on the way and before he gives his press conference, he basically just sits on the foreign eats these cheeseburgers. And they shout that back like 10 years later with this little girl just lost her father, and the line from the actor who had some Oh my god. He's in one of my favorite movies that he wrote it actually. Oh, my God, I can't remember his name. No. You I see what you just tried to do there. I just couldn't remember like off top my head. I have it now. Jon Favreau. You do not know who Jon Favreau is? That one sounds really familiar to me. All right. Okay. Anyway, if you ask me, Mike, if people right now are like, Oh my god, what is Scott's favorite Jon Favreau movie? I'm not embarrassed. I'm just gonna answer it, Chef, which is another movie you don't know. It's about this guy in a food truck. And I like it because it's like a redemption film about him trying to get back to his family. But he doesn't know that's what he's doing. Anyway, this is not the point. Sounds like a movie. I was like, okay, Chef, are you going to cry? I don't think you're going to cry. But try Chef. Chef. Also, where I first learned about Gary Clark Jr. is moose music. Do you know who that is? No, you're just trapped in New England. Yeah, I gotta get you out of there. That's okay. So do you know who know a con is? No, a con? Yeah. No. Okay. He's

Brittany 37:21
a singer. And he wrote this song northern attitude about growing up in New England. And it literally just describes what we were talking about my last episode about the kids that bullied me when I was first diagnosed. Yeah. And you asked if it was seasonal bullying, because they were just in a bad mood, because you've been freezing for six months. So you can you can listen to that song and all that stuff. Alright,

Scott Benner 37:41
no icon. And what's the movie? Or what's the song called?

Brittany 37:45
Northern attitude?

Scott Benner 37:47
I said, I'll listen to it. I'm on Sabre helping each other. Yeah. Yeah, you're like, Yeah, I'm never watching those movies. Just so you know, I

Brittany 37:56
might watch these movies. I can't promise every single one. But chef sounds interesting to me.

Scott Benner 38:02
Okay. All right. That's fine. So much like we're trying to get you towards a normal life. In segments, you break up your diabetes into segments, and you teach yourself to Pre-Bolus. First, how long did it take you to get over that fear. And to put it into practice,

Brittany 38:18
I would say, a month in, like, I think I spent the whole month of January doing that last year. And I started to feel better because I, I was so into, it allowed me to be more in tune with my body and actually see the effects of insulin. And I started to trust like, Okay, I know what this is going to do. And then when I started doing things, like not overtraining, my lows, like actually just having, I don't know, a couple Starburst, or a couple of sips of juice, and seeing my blood sugar gradually, and come up. I was like, Oh,

Scott Benner 38:51
this can work. Once you get used to it. It's pretty intuitive. Right? Yeah.

Brittany 38:55
I mean, my whole pregnancy, like, I am just amazed at how intuitive I was. And like driven to do this. I mean, that was, I had the driving force behind me, but just I did such like, I don't know, change in the way I approach my diabetes. And it helped me so much like have the pregnancy and like birth experience that I wanted. Because when I was first told expectations for my pregnancy with endocrinologist, he was telling me like, you'll have to have an induction at 38 weeks, and you'll probably be an insulin drop. And I know this is the way we do things. And I was like, I'm not even pregnant yet. I don't even know. You know what that means for me, but I don't like being told, you know, because you have diabetes, this is what's going to be the plan. So I basically found out you know, they were telling me that because that's their standard care for people that have diabetes and they're pregnant. But I felt like if the high blood sugar risks aren't there and the baby looks great, and I'm still healthy, why do I need to follow them? This intervention basically did for

Scott Benner 40:02
you. That's amazing. Where did you learn about it? Well, I learned about what the idea to Pre-Bolus did a doctor tell you about it? Did you hear about it online to hear about on the podcast? How did you? Oh, from juicebox? Oh, well, yeah. And then you still wouldn't end the baby after me. That's fine. Yeah.

Brittany 40:18
So you changed my life. And you get, and I get a follow

Scott Benner 40:21
up public. I get a follow up interview, and maybe I'll get you to watch a couple movies. My favorite movie that will not make you cry. But is is my I think it's my desert island film, like the one I could probably watch over and over again, is Pulp Fiction. But my I tried to show it to my kids, and they're like, I don't understand why you like this movie. I'm like, Okay, thanks a lot. I do have a great story about Pulp Fiction, and then we're gonna get on to the rest of what you did. Okay, it won the Palme d'Or award at the con Film Festival. I don't know if any of that means anything to. So with Pulp Fiction, actually. Okay, so it gets this big release coming out as a as a winner of you know, at a film festival, which drags in all the old people who don't even care, they're not going to look like the internet wasn't a thing as much back then. So all they know is this one, one, the best film at the con. So my wife and I before we're married, before we're married, as we're married, right around the time we got married. We go to see Pulp Fiction, because I'm excited to see this Quentin Tarantino movie because I've seen Reservoir Dogs and some of his, like, his initial movies, I'm super excited for it. And it's an incredibly violent film like and just, you know, different and it's a Quentin Tarantino movie there. They all kind of have that feeling to them. But imagine I'm in a packed movie theater with 60 and 70 year old off the Cockers Do you know that word? Very old people. And as the movie becomes offensive, they start to realize this isn't some feel good film festival winner, and they start leaving in droves. And they are complaining as they're walking out of the theater. And I was delighted every time something horrible happened in the movie, and it made another group of them. And I'm going to tell you how I was gonna, I'm just gonna come out and tell you that when Ving Rames is sexually assaulted in the film. That was it for most of them that really did clear the place out. And then it was like my wife and I were in this like theater by ourselves. Like it was fantastic. And then when we walked out, the movie company was there to do exits. Like what did you think of the film, and I filled out the card. And I handed it to the girl and she was like the only one who liked it. And I was like, I think the wrong crowd showed up.

Brittany 42:42
Anyway, because that's not what I've heard about that movie.

Scott Benner 42:45
No, no, it's if you like, if you like a movie like that. It's fantastic. But I'm just I have again, a lovely remembrance of it. In the in another movie theater memory. Also, I met my wife at a movie theater. No way. Cuz she worked there. And my brother, so I knew people worked with ready already. My father was a volunteer fireman, the local movie theater caught fire. The guy showed up, put it out so quickly, they saved the building. They saved everything. The theater was only closed for a couple of days because of how well the firemen showed up. From then on. If you brought your fire the badge that you had for being a volunteer fireman, you saw the movie there for free, or your family members, anybody. So I never paid to see a movie growing up ever.

Brittany 43:33
This sounds like a big script. It's actually true.

Scott Benner 43:35
And so I became friendly with some of the guys who worked there. And some of the women who work there, like kids my age. And because you're there a lot. And I'm still very good friends with a number of them actually, like actually, some of my best long term friends are people I met who worked at that movie theater. I have a friend who got married in a movie theater, like they walked down the aisle, like and then got married in front of the screen. So I've been to a wedding in a movie theater. Right? Point being, I spent a lot of time there. And one day when my little brother needed to move a job, I was able to get him a job at the movie theater. And then you'd go down and hang out with them talk to him once a while and stuff like that. And then one day, this girl shows up who's like a manager. But obviously like college age, and that was my that's my wife. Now she had gone to an island vacation with friends with her girlfriends. And she came back very tan with her hair braided. And when I saw her I thought and this is a quote from inside of my head. I would like to have sex with that girl.

Brittany 44:36
How old were you?

Scott Benner 44:37
I don't know, in my early 20s Maybe by then. I don't know. 2122 I'm not sure like in my early 20s True Romance story. Yeah, True Romance. By the way, a movie Quentin Tarantino wrote, really? Yeah, I've heard of that one. I could do this all day. Christian Slater. Roseanne arc All right. So good, not the point. So I met my I met my wife in a movie theater.

Brittany 45:06
Yes, I really started like movies with the wrong person you did you screwed

Scott Benner 45:10
up here, because I'm going to tell you one more thing at the end about me in movies. But that's later. For now, let's talk about how that young boy that saw the girl with the braids in the movie theater eventually had a baby, whether that had type one diabetes, and then he made a podcast. And now you were able to have a baby? Isn't it amazing? Now? I wouldn't go through and around and around. If you ask me what the podcast does for people, I can be very high minded about it and talk about digging into little crevices of diabetes and teaching people things. They're never going to hear other words, like I think it's amazing for the people who take that information out of it. But for most people, what I'm going to tell you is, I think I just taught them about timing. And the idea to Pre-Bolus, the overwhelming amount of notes that I get from people that just say, I learned to Pre-Bolus from the podcast, and it changed my life is it would be hard for me to put into words. How many people say that to me. So it doesn't surprise me. It's fantastic. But you kept digging because of the pregnancy thing. So you see, you figured out the Pre-Bolus. First, I was

Brittany 46:19
probably around like 6.3 ANC from Pre-Bolus. And, and then I had to keep digging, and then that definitely allowed me to be so much more confident with everything that pregnancy brings up because eventually I was doing like 45 minute Pre-Bolus is wow. Yeah, you have to wonder third trimester because I was so resistant. And I I don't want to think about what I would I think I would have just been in a panic state. If I hadn't, like had that knowledge and confidence from prior.

Scott Benner 46:50
Right? Well, I don't even know how you'd make the decision. Like, if you're afraid of insulin to that level, and you don't Pre-Bolus to begin with. And the truth is that even when you're sitting at a stable blood, I'm not wrong, right? Like you could be 110 You need to Pre-Bolus 45 minutes before you eat, right? Oh, yeah. Yeah, I don't know how you would make that leap.

Brittany 47:09
Right. And I think it would have led to like, I actually didn't end up getting induced. I was never an insulin drip. I really went kind of opposite of what they had suggested at first, because I was so confident in my management, and he was perfectly healthy and everything went really well. So

Scott Benner 47:30
congratulations. That's really wonderful. And I

Brittany 47:33
actually, yeah, it is wonderful. And I have to credit my so I had a doula. You know what that is?

Scott Benner 47:40
I do? Of course, you gave birth in a blow up bathtub in your house?

Brittany 47:46
No, that is the perception of doulas. No, I'm not one of those types of people. But I did want my birth to be like as calming, I think because of my diabetes. And I knew like, you know, all I was told about was the risk factors. And I didn't want to be thinking about that, while giving birth, I wanted my birth to be positive. So she actually has type one herself. And she was there to help me like advocate when I really couldn't focus on it on how to handle my blood sugars. And

Scott Benner 48:22
it was amazing. And how'd you find her?

Brittany 48:25
So I joined a type one diabetes and pregnancy support group was actually on Zoom. It was even located near me, the support group like leader was living in Virginia. But she had her come on as a guest speaker, and she lives like 25 minutes away from me. Wow.

Scott Benner 48:42
That's so serendipitous, isn't it? Yeah, speaking of movies. I just I'm going to tell you something before we move on, because you have a decision to make more finished. At the end. I'm going to tell you one lovely story about seeing a movie. And I'm going to tell you one horrible story about me being horrible in a movie theater. And you get to choose the horrible stories. You can either choose the Jurassic Park story, or the Roy Rogers story. But I can't give you both of them. Because if you hear both of them, you'll think I'm a terrible person.

Brittany 49:18
I actually have a story about a movie theater and my diabetes. Go say go for it.

Scott Benner 49:24
I want it right now. Speaking

Brittany 49:26
of, you know before, having my day was really in a good place. In college, I faced a lot of like, I would say negative side effects and having uncontrolled blood sugars. And one of them was having UTIs frequently, and I met this boy who's now my husband, and he loves movies. I hate movies. He asked me the movie I said yes. And I have a UTI. So we're sitting in the movie, and I think I had to go pee five or six Times in like an hour and 40 minute period. If you didn't never said a single word about how I had to go to the bathroom. You

Scott Benner 50:07
weren't like scratching to where you

Brittany 50:11
but I was in such terrible pain and had to go the bathroom. Oh,

Scott Benner 50:15
that sucks constantly. Yeah. And he asked you out again, you're

Brittany 50:19
gonna get and he says he barely noticed, which I do feel like that's his personality. So

Scott Benner 50:24
he barely noticed that you would move to Pete five times. And yeah, Brittany, I know what you look like you're a handsome lady, he was probably willing to overlook a few things. So like, he's scratching and going to the bathroom, but I'm just gonna say, whatever. Anyway, if I did that, no one would call me back. They'd be like, I don't know, you got to repeat five times. I just didn't call him.

What movie was it? So

Brittany 50:56
I don't know that. I remember the premise. It was about like this. I actually picked it though. These boys had to work on this farm. Some like immigration. I don't know. It was a movie that I that I would choose. And he just was along for the ride.

Scott Benner 51:15
Brittany, let's dig into this for one more second, your first date with a person who was now your husband? You do not know the movie. It was? No, it wasn't

Brittany 51:23
my first day it was probably the third or fourth, third or fourth date. And I have Mom Brain. I swear after I gave birth. I don't remember. Oh, yeah, it's bad. Anything like I and I was such a person that remember every single detail of my life writing everything down, never forgetting anything. That's not who I am anymore.

Scott Benner 51:42
Yeah. You get strong in other ways. But that's not one of them. Yeah,

Brittany 51:45
but those things just leave my mind. Like, doesn't matter anymore.

Scott Benner 51:50
Arden's in her midterms right now in college. And she's been, I'm gonna say for about eight days in a row now just on like a white knuckle roller coaster ride of no sleep and a ton of work. I'm not over exaggerating. So last night, a couple times in the afternoon, I sent her a text on my Arden, something's weird. Your CGM is getting wonky. Like it's got to be at the end. Thinking that's gonna make her change it but she's too busy and focused on what she's doing. So about eight o'clock at night. I'm like Arden, please. I had to get up this morning at 4am to take coal to the airport. I am not like, I'm not up for being up late tonight. Like, you know, like, and she's like, well, you can sleep and I'm like, No, I'm like, if you're not getting any, like, glucose readings, that means your algorithm is not working. And I'm not just gonna go nappy time and wake up and find out my kids dead. So I'm like, I won't be going to sleep. So if you could just Dad, don't tell me what to do. I'm like, Oh, come on, please. I don't think she changes the CGM until midnight. And I'm up with her. I'm texting her. I'm like, I'm up. She's like, go to bed. I'm like, Nah, I'm like, You do not understand what it is to have a child. I'm up with you. I've got your back. Keep doing what you're doing. But I'm staying up with you until there's readings from this thing. So she flips it on all good. And then, you know, oh my god, I'm going to sleep. But like a few hours later, she's low, probably because the algorithm wasn't cutting back or Basal that she needed to cut back while she was you know, working for the hours before. Yeah. So now I'm like, up waking her up getting her to, like, have some stuff. You know, treating this blood sugar and everything. And I'm, it's like 415 in the morning. And I think I've been up for 24 hours. And I'm too old for that, Brittany, but I didn't have any trouble doing it. But if you ask me a question, like, who's Jon Favreau? I'm like, I know this guy can picture in my head. He makes that movie chef. I love that movie. They turned it into a TV show on Netflix, which is a cooking show, which I absolutely adore. He does the cooking show with this guy named Roy Choi. And I think that's I know what the and I can't think of John fibres name. And I think that's from having children. So like socially

Brittany 53:58
Tiller diabetes, so yeah, that's interesting that you so she's in college and you

Scott Benner 54:04
are texting her like that. How's that interesting?

Brittany 54:07
Cuz I never had that experience. And I always think, like it did my parents. Good. Because it is so stressful. Oh,

Scott Benner 54:14
I'm gonna die sooner than other people Bernie probably but that's okay. It's part of the bargain when you make a move. Thank you always do that for her. I mean, there's gonna have to be a time where she's paying for this stuff on her own. And she goes, You can't follow me anymore. That's has to happen eventually. But I still hold like, yeah,

Brittany 54:30
yeah, it's okay with you following her. Yeah, she's fine.

Scott Benner 54:33
Listen, in any other situation. I don't know a way to put this in any other situation. I'd be like, hey, that CGM doesn't look right to me. I'd get rid of it. Right. And she doing? It's the She's so busy. She can't fathom stopping. Yeah. So I say to her, Arden, you are going to spend five minutes changing your Dexcom at some point tonight. If you do it now. It will make later easier. And she knows that then it wasn't easy. No, she didn't do it. She waited hours and hours and hours to do it. Like she didn't have CGM readings for like three hours last night while she was doing her homework. Like it just it was done. Right. Actually, I think it just expired at that point. And because of that, her algorithms running her her baseline Basal rate, but it's not cutting back if it needs to. It's not doing any of those isn't Thursday it does, right. So I think that's what led to a low, like literally at like four o'clock in the morning. But she's so stressed out in that moment with school. That yeah, I get it. Yeah, she cannot fathom stopping for five minutes. And I think in her mind, she's like, I'm gonna get all this done, then I'll change my CGM. But then she changes it goes right to sleep. And this is the I would say that this exact scenario is the only sticking point we have with diabetes while she's away. It's this one scenario, this exact one here, change it before you go to sleep. Well know that she wants you to stop and do it. So it doesn't cause her a problem. Yeah, but if she's not busy, then she's happy to do it. At the right time. That's the only problem we have. Yeah. But anyway, I stayed up. And I watched the rest of a bad TV show that I'm enjoying. And then that was it. Well, it's amazing. When you were in college, how valuable would it have been? If somebody was just kind of had your back a little bit? I

Brittany 56:22
think it would have been really valuable to me in the long run, but I think I would have felt, I don't know, annoyed? Or baby for lack of a better word.

Scott Benner 56:33
Isn't it funny as 30 year old person, you're like, I would pay somebody to do that for me. And when you're 19, you would have been like, why did these people will leave me alone. Right.

Brittany 56:42
And my husband, my husband was absolutely amazing. And my pregnancy with his support my diabetes. Let him

Scott Benner 56:49
tell you more about that. Tell me about what he did. He

Brittany 56:51
did everything that you just did for art. And I mean, just like staying up with me, encouraging me really knowing my diabetes, so well that he could give me like his insight into I think you need maybe, I don't know, just a small correction here. Or, you know, I'm rising above 160. I think it's gonna come and stabilize in five minutes. Let's just wait this out. Like, having that insight for me. Amazing. I mean, it took so much of the weight off for me and didn't make me feel so alone. Gives you a

Scott Benner 57:20
partner. Yeah. Listen, I, I will tell you that I think Arden was irritated twice last night by me. Because around this idea, but here's when she stopped being annoyed. And when she was when she stopped being annoyed, and then eventually changed it. I said to her, she said just go to sleep. And I said, that's not how being a dad works. I'm fine. I've got your back. And then she was okay after that. And, you know, like, I think I just kind of broke through a little bit to her. Yeah, and I also know, she's under a lot of stress and working hard. And up late. She was in her fashion class yesterday afternoon. And the school sends around this person, like, I guess it's like a guidance position. But I'm using like high school terms. And they go from class to class. And they're like success supervisors or something like that. So the the woman walks into the room, kind of surveys the room before the class starts, sees the project, my daughter's about to hand in, looks at her looks around, blah, blah, blah. She goes, I see the star in this classroom. She says to everybody, and my end artists, like I sat up and I thought, Oh, I wonder who the star in this classroom is. And she goes, it's you. And she points to Arden. And she goes, me? And she goes, yeah, she goes, How can you tell? And she goes, that presentation you're about to make is, it's like you went above and beyond on it. I can tell just looking at it this physical thing Arden had on her desk. And she goes, yeah, and you're the only one that looks like you haven't slept. Or just like great. I looked like get that's how this lady knows I'm gonna be successful. And I and she's telling me this over FaceTime yesterday afternoon. And she's like, I don't exactly I don't love that compliment. And I said, I once got a compliment from somebody when I was writing a book that is so insulting to me. And the people writing the book. I'll never say it out loud. And Britney, I'd be happy to tell you when we're done recording, but anybody who enjoyed my book would be insulted by it. Yeah. And I was like, this is a compliment, but it isn't. Anyway, she's fine. Like the answer is I don't I don't interact with her. Almost at all. I think that's the first time I've talked to her about diabetes. And since her period started, and I texted her, Hey, you're you need to like like, basically like do a Temp Basal decrease here like you, your your algorithms too strong for this part of your period for probably the next three days. And she's like, Oh, okay, that was the end of it. I don't think I've talked to her for two weeks before this moment. You know, I know people some people listen to this now like, he's a pirate. And they're always talking like I barely ever talked to her about it. So, yeah,

Brittany 1:00:03
I definitely don't think that but I just, I mean, when when I was diagnosed and stuff my parents, I was at an age, I think I didn't talk about this, but an age I wanted to be independent. And to me, Independence meant, like, I could do this alone. And no one showed up to help me. And I really prided myself on that for so many years. And then there's that feeling to where it's like, I didn't want to feel like I was messing up my diabetes, I wanted to feel like I had a handle on it. So any advice that I was given? Like, it took me a while for to be okay with my husband having input. I can not be defensive over

Scott Benner 1:00:38
it. Oh, you're saying being given advice made you feel like you were failing? Definitely. So even if someone said something to you, that was accurate, and you were like, oh, hell that is right. You resist it, so that you wouldn't have to feel like you've been screwing up. Yeah. Okay. That's interesting.

Brittany 1:00:55
It's funny, because my husband, now I don't want to help anymore, because I'm not pregnant, leave me alone. But also, like, I'm enjoying just being over 140 Without thinking, Oh, my God, am I hurting my baby? So I think the other day I was drinking this ice coffee. And he looked at like my graph, and he's like, you know, that's gonna really spike you.

Scott Benner 1:01:18
Did you say, Yeah, you know what's gonna spike you when I kick you out of this house? You're still sending me money for 18 years?

Brittany 1:01:25
I'm like, I am not pregnant anymore. We live.

Scott Benner 1:01:28
Do you know how hard that must be for him? Yeah, it's, it's

Brittany 1:01:32
hard for him. But he definitely we both had this transition. Like, after the baby was out, like, okay, we can breathe, like high blood sugars don't need to be in this range, though. This thinking about the possible consequences of that.

Scott Benner 1:01:44
I think that any decent relationship where people love each other, and they're married, there's this feeling of like, you, I don't want you to die. Like I want you to be healthy for a really long time. And when you see a spouse doing something that's not good for their health, it's very upsetting. For me at least, like I've had that feeling. My wife doesn't have diabetes, and I've had that feeling like, why why are we doing this today? Or why are you eating that? Or, like, you know, like, that kind of thing? Like, I need you here. Don't die? Like, you know, exactly. And it's a weird feeling. And I don't think it's conscious. I don't think it comes out in those words through my brain. I think that's the feeling I have like, oh, I can't Kelly can't hurt herself. I love her. Like, that's how it feels. And then, of course, if I say something she do whatever you just did, like, you know, get away from you, idiot. And I'm like, okay, because you need isn't it weird? You need the autonomy to hurt yourself to feel like you're in charge. Right? That doesn't make any sense. You know that right for me?

Brittany 1:02:40
Yeah, no, I know. And I've been so reflected on that, since but I am enjoying like this, this little. I mean, I have some of these habits that I built from pregnancy. And I actually took a little more insulin for that coffee when you said that comment. And then I ended up going low. So I got

Scott Benner 1:03:00
you got well. Oh, yeah. Yeah. For sure. You're rolling?

Brittany 1:03:05
Yeah. Enjoying that flexibility of like, you know, I don't have to be so stressed because there's a number over 140 When I was pregnant was like, I need to do something about this. And I was constantly constantly having to think

Scott Benner 1:03:20
about it. Yeah. And futzing with insulin and all that stuff.

Brittany 1:03:24
And but yeah, thinking about every single variable that could exist. Listen,

Scott Benner 1:03:28
I don't think I don't think there's a right or wrong answer. Honestly, you know, I take like, all the kind of like psychological impacts that you're talking about. I take them very seriously. You know, there's been times in the past week where Arden's like CGM is beat and I thought, Oh, she should do something here. But I see that it's going to be okay. Like, I see what she did. And I know it's gonna be okay, but I can make it be okay faster. But I don't bother her about that. Because she's doing a terrific job. So, you know, like, and she needs to grow and learn and not feel and I also don't want her to hate me and resent me. So like, you know, you picking I hate to say something that I think my mom would have said, but like you pick and choose your battles, like you've been some things just look at you. That's not worth it right there.

Brittany 1:04:12
Yeah. I mean, I'm a seventh grade Special Ed teacher. So that's like, My motto is pick and choose my battles. And I definitely do that with diabetes. But when I was pregnant, I seriously didn't feel like I had that choice. Sure.

Scott Benner 1:04:23
No, it's a different it's a different war. That point. Yeah. So yeah. But when your husband mentioned the coffee, does it not make you think he doesn't mention things all the time? This must really seem important to him? Yeah. But it doesn't matter in the moment.

Brittany 1:04:39
It doesn't matter. Maybe. Maybe once I've had my year of postpartum, I can accept it but for right now, I am enjoying my baby. And all the hard work I put into getting him here in a healthy way.

Scott Benner 1:04:56
This makes me think of this. I bought this car the other day. Want to give Kelly on our anniversary, which by the way is not for like 10 months. But it's it's, it's too good. It's a it's a art of Wednesday Adams folding her arms. And it says, the only person that gets to torture you is me. That's gonna be our anniversary card next year. I delight. I have it on my desk. I delightfully bought it. She goes, What's that isn't he can't see it's our anniversary cards, because our anniversary is not till August. And I was like, yeah, she's, you're never going to remember to give that to me. And I went, Oh, challenge accepted. So I'm literally gonna put it somewhere and write anniversary card on it and just hang it in front of me for the next year, because I am just remember to give it to her. But it made me think it made me think of that when like, your husband's like, Hey, you're hurting yourself. And you were like, go to hell.

Brittany 1:05:55
And you know what, because my agency was always so much higher. And now it's still like under seven? Sure. So in my mind, I'm like, I'm not gonna start over this one spike here. Yeah. Oh, pronounce that with my mental health?

Scott Benner 1:06:10
Yeah, well, I'm not making I'm not I'm not suggesting you do that at all. Yeah. But what I would suggest is that my conversations with people reveal that when you start pushing the line, you will eventually keep pushing it. And one day, you'll have you'll, you'll say that to yourself, and you go, look, it's only one ad. I'm not gonna like my mental health is more important. And then one day, you'll be like, it's just 200. My mental health is more important. And like, I think that that's a concern, like something to watch out for is all I'm saying, based on conversations.

Brittany 1:06:46
I feel like that describes my entire management prior to being pregnant. And now I know what's possible. And I know I've done it before, and I have new standards for myself. Yeah, that's nice. Yeah. I hope to follow them. But I do I do get what you mean, because I was definitely Oh, it's only 200 person for like, a decade.

Scott Benner 1:07:08
I didn't know that. Until I made the podcast. Until I started hearing people saying it. Like just the way you just said it. Like, it's okay. I only killed one person, like that feeling like really like and then next thing, you know, like, I only shot 10 People like it's fine. Like it just you see people like make those, like leaps. They don't think it's bad in the beginning. I don't think my analogy was great there. But I'm I'm not a professional. Yeah. Yeah. And so, but you just see people keep pushing those lines. And yeah, they

Brittany 1:07:37
don't know what to argue that. It comes from, at least my case, like, the information I had and was taught through my endocrinologist. And through getting diagnose, it was never going to equip me to be confident and having like a 70 to 140 range.

Scott Benner 1:07:58
So you started in a hole? Yeah, for sure. It's

Brittany 1:08:01
only 200 was like, you know, when you're dealing with roller coaster numbers, and you don't, you've never been taught the skills outside of like, oh, just count your carbs and take this insulin for it. You know, we'll see you in three months. Like, I don't know, I could never have achieved what I did. Yeah, from learning outside of that.

Scott Benner 1:08:18
That's why I set the in my head, the ranges are set at I don't know, it's pretty colloquial, but 160 to me as I go with something up 180 is high. And 200 is a disaster. And that's how I think of those numbers. Not to say that if her blood sugar's 200, for a while, it's an actual disaster. I just talked to myself that way, so that I react appropriately. Does that make sense? That's a

Brittany 1:08:46
really good point. Yeah. But when when you were educated originally on type one, were you taught that way? Or you came up with that yourself?

Scott Benner 1:08:54
Oh, I came up with that myself. I think my education was to treat a low at 110. I was told 110 to 200 was her range. And that I don't think I was told to correct till 250. Now she was again, yeah, but then that becomes your norm. Right. Yeah. It's stuck in your head. And then these are the numbers are working

Brittany 1:09:17
in my head. Yeah. I mean, I actually had an experience when I was pregnant. I went to Hawaii and got food poisoning. Came back. I was so sick, want to check on the baby. Went to the ER. And I had a low and sitting there waiting. And I didn't have a meter on me. But I had my Dexcom and it was saying I was like 70 but I felt lower than that. So I asked for a meter to check. And I was like 52 So I thought they were going to give you an IV The EMTs. So they are sprinting around the entire er and bring me the biggest glass of orange juice and tell me to drink the whole thing. Unlike if I drink that I would easily spike over 250. And it just is so frustrating because it comes from the same people telling me like, you know, you have to be under 140 To have a successful and healthy pregnancy, right? And having to always be able to advocate for like, no, that's not what I'm going to do. Mixed

Scott Benner 1:10:19
messages are the problem. Yes, I'm writing that down, because I'm going to use it in a different episode. Mixed messages from healthcare are like a huge problem. Like, don't go over 140 You'll kill that baby here drink this orange juice. Yeah.

Brittany 1:10:32
And then I saw the doctor after and I was rechecked. I was 130 for like, I don't know, five, six. And she told me, you know, you're really low earlier, you should keep eating.

Scott Benner 1:10:44
She doesn't know what she's talking about. Right? But

Brittany 1:10:47
I walked out of that visit that day. And it was like, I need to stick to my gut and intuition about decisions I want to make for my birth. Good for you. Because I can't follow this. Like, it's not I know, it's not right for me, and I know what I'm capable of. And it's not this, you know,

Scott Benner 1:11:05
in fairness to that doctor, the people she normally sees probably are not well managed. And so if they're 50, she's probably seen people have sugar and then crashed down again, because they've got way too much insulin going. Right? That's a good point, too. Yeah. For you, you were sick. So and stomach thing, which can mean for a lot of people leads to lower blood sugars. And you knew where you were, like you weren't, you knew you weren't far off, you knew you weren't crashing low, you knew you were just pumping this back up again. But her perspective was probably like, you know, people don't come to the ER with diabetes, because they're super healthy all the time. And you know, so those are the people she sees, and then that's her experience. And that's her perspective. And I know like the induction

Brittany 1:11:50
recommendation, the insulin drip recommendation like that is all coming from situations, scenarios and people that do need those recommendations to have a healthy baby

Scott Benner 1:12:01
be born. Yeah, you're, that story is going to end up in a grand rounds. Episode, I'm making this series called Grand Rounds for doctors. So my idea about it is, is that it'll help doctors understand what they should be doing. And it'll help patients understand what they should be expecting from their doctors. Like, that's my goal with it. And I think your ER story is like, it fits right into one of those episodes coming up. So I mean, I'll keep your name out of it, but I'll give him probably retail that,

Brittany 1:12:27
yeah, no, it's, I mean, there's so many times in my life with diabetes have had that experience, ya

Scott Benner 1:12:34
know, it's just it's such a valid thing to say that they don't mean to give you bad information. But that's bad information for you. Because then if you go through the say, you just listen to her. And the rest of your pregnancy if you get to 70 or 50, or whatever you're treating and banging yourself up to 250 and and spending probably the day trying to get your blood sugar back down again, without making yourself low. Then it that does actually that one thing that doctor says do you and that er impacts your pregnancy and your baby adversely. Yes.

Brittany 1:13:06
And I think I, I had a lot of frustration with feeling like, the decade or so that I was managing on this roller coaster. Like I was going off advice that was given to me at some point. Yep. And then to have to re think of that and figure out what what actually works. And I actually did end up firing my endocrinologist that told me all those suggestions and wasn't budging based on my specific individual, agency and numbers

Scott Benner 1:13:37
for you. Yeah, I mean, it's, it's such a spaghetti of bad information, that you can't really deconstruct it anymore. It's just, it's just too many. Too many things have been said too many times over too many years that are incorrect or slightly wrong that are intersecting with other ideas. It's just it's a twist of, it's just like fishing line. Like sometimes you just gotta cut it, cut it and throw it away. Because you're never going to deconstruct it and figure out what's right. So you might as well just start over again. Yeah, with some basic ideas. Like I need to understand how insulin is timed. I need to understand how these foods are going to impact me. I need to not over treat my lows. I think that stuff that's it sounds so simple to say. And I know people struggle with it. But these are all core ideas of how you stay stable.

Brittany 1:14:27
It sounds so simple now, but it definitely was not to me over a year ago.

Scott Benner 1:14:31
No, I imagine here two years ago. Yeah. Okay, Brittany, is there anything we haven't talked about that we should have? I don't think so. Okay, you want the nice movie theater story or the bad movie theater story first?

Brittany 1:14:43
The bad one.

Scott Benner 1:14:44
Okay. Do you want the Jurassic Park one or the Roy Rogers one?

Brittany 1:14:48
Jurassic Park Thankfully, no,

Scott Benner 1:14:50
that is damn it. They both make me sound terrible. This one this one if I tell this one correctly, and I mean completely, I'm going to sound like an asshole. I want you Keep in mind I was young. But honestly not that young. Jurassic Park comes out. It is like the biggest movie in the world. It you have no idea like they made dinosaurs look real. It was a, you know, for younger people you're like I don't understand like, it's like, it's like when I tell you how amazing it is to have a cell phone, but you're 19 you don't get that Jurassic Park was a big deal. Those dinosaurs looked real, right? So me and my friends were all seen Jurassic Park. We're super excited. And the movie opens up. And there's an opening scene. And we're all just like blown away by it. We start talking during the interlude. Do people know what that is? They play some music, run some credit, stuff like that. Well, there's this woman ahead of me, in front of us in the row in front of us. And no one in front of her. So oh my god, I really shouldn't even tell the story. God dammit. Okay, so the interlude comes, and we start talking to each other to like, just marvel, like Jesus Christ. He's in dinosaurs look real. Like we were like, stunned by it, you know? And she turns around, and shushes us and says, I'm trying to listen to the music. And I want to just say, she's 100%, right? I'm not allowed person in the theater as an adult. As a matter of fact, I'm very quiet. Even back then we were very respectful and movie theaters. But she like, she was really nasty. And she had every right to be but she was, and I think we took our socks off and dangled them behind her head so she could smell. It was not fair or right and disgusting. And I'm sorry. This was she acknowledged. No, we didn't notice that she noticed. So then we moved in front of her and sat in front of her then very slightly bounced, while we watched the movie, but only like a quarter of an inch. Like Like, if for anybody who's sitting down, just tighten your butt cheeks and loosen your butt cheeks and tighten your butt cheeks and loosen your budget. Just keep doing it.

Brittany 1:17:04
I thought you were gonna say she took off herself.

Scott Benner 1:17:09
That then we'd be friends to this day, that would have been amazing. So we we're not through the whole movie just for a minute. Somebody sat in front of her a couple people. I may have been one of them. And we did this very just gentle bounce up and down so that you couldn't possibly sit behind us and not notice that our bodies were moving up and down just slightly because we thought it would be distracting and we were fucking with her. Yeah, yeah, totally torching. Just subtly torturing her. Yes. And then we got up and move back and she didn't talk again. And we didn't talk again. And it was kind of over. mutual agreement. Now that I've said that. I think I'm so glad you didn't ask about the Roy Rogers one. Which Gaya I'm pretty sure this was the better one to tell if I'm gonna make myself sound like a bad person that would have. Yeah, it was pretty pretty incident. Innocent. Okay, now my nice story. So my wife obviously grew up in theaters. I saw a ton of movies growing up not till later. By the way, I didn't start seeing movies till I was a little older. But then I saw a lot of them. I think the first movie I ever saw was Greece in a theater. That was 76. I was like five years old, then I didn't see a movie again until meatballs with Bill Murray. I think meatballs was my second. No, no. Yeah, meatballs and jaws, like right in there were like my second and third movies. Anyway, I don't know the timeline for this. But then after that, I saw a lot of movies, and a ton of great memories for last time very, very much. So my wife and I would go to the theater together when we were dating. I loved I love something. There's something about being in a quiet space with strangers having the same experience that I very much enjoy. And I even like being with you. Like if you and I were dating Britney, I would love that like solemn kind of quiet together. But apart experience, I enjoy that. And I would tell my wife, I really love coming to the movies with you. And just I would say that like right before the movie started, like, I love being here with you. And then that was it. And we've watched the movie. But when we had kids, we started doing that to our kids like this, the movie was getting ready to start. Like we'd lean over to call and say we love you and we love being here with you. Like and we would like that just happened all the time. And then Arden was born. And we just we did it for years and years and years over hundreds and I I'm realizing now I'm not even gonna be able to retire because of the money I spent going to movies because because, by the way, one of the most shocking things about moving away from home was having to pay for a movie. Like I'll never forget being there with my wife for the first time. We were like this is very expensive, because she worked there and didn't pay for it. And I had the firemen pass. And so like we didn't pay for movies for a decade and all sudden we were like they really wants to pay for the popcorn to like, they should probably just give it to us. I've had I've had popcorn delivered to me in a theater by somebody who knew me now they wanted me to pay for it, you know? So anyway, so so my kids are older, you know through the years, we see a A lot of movies always right before the movie starts. I love you. I love being here with you. I love going to the movies with you something like that. So, Cole's getting ready to move to Atlanta to take his job. And Arden's getting ready to go away to college for the first time. And we go see a movie together the four of us. And now my son's, like 22, and my daughter's like 18. And my wife's there, and we've lived together for so long. And we even sit so the kids are in between us. So we can like be near like it's all like very douchey like, but anyway, it's like and so we're sitting there, and it's a pretty empty theater. And I stand up in front of them to take my sweatshirt off, and I turn around, I see the three of them standing there. And I get choked up. And I think is this the last time we're going to see a movie together? And it might be I have no idea, right? So I'm taking my shirt off my sweatshirt off, and I'm folding it up. And I see I think Arden bumps Kelly and goes, I think he's crying. So, so I'm like, all emotional. And I said, Oh my god, like, I love coming to the movies with you guys. And I started crying. I'm gonna cry now. It's terrible.

Brittany 1:21:15
Like, I'm gonna cry. I'm like, maybe gonna be so inspired something come up first.

Scott Benner 1:21:19
So now I'm standing in the theater. I'm not like welling up in the theater. I'm getting crying.

Brittany 1:21:27
bawling your eyes. And I think my son is looking

Scott Benner 1:21:29
at me half like, Oh, this guy really loves me. This is nice. And half like, I think there's something wrong on my phone. And so I'm like, I'm like stopping and I'm realizing, I don't even think they consciously remember being told that over and over again. Right? They're older now. And so I told them the story. I think they do. I don't know, Britney, you hope that because you have a little kid. You're hoping the things that you you're hoping that kid's gonna read when he gets older. And the truth is, he's gonna hate books. Because he's gonna be like, Oh, my mom used to try to get me to read. Oh, she's old. And I'm

Brittany 1:22:03
sitting there like,

Scott Benner 1:22:04
I love reading with you. And you're gonna be like I love one day you were in daycare. You're telling me the story? Yeah. Oh my god. I swear to God, I'm crying right now. Hold on a second. I believe in it. So anyway, I'm here to Yeah, I sat down but you're a tough nut to crack here. Brittany, I don't think anybody's getting you to cry if you want to go watch a movie. But I but I sat down next to them. And I was overwhelmed for a few minutes. Because I just kept thinking this might never happen again. And oh my god is avatar to gonna be the last movie we see together.

Brittany 1:22:42
Please tell me you've been to the movies together.

Scott Benner 1:22:44
All four of us. Not in the last not since call left. No, wait, that's a lie. When we went to Atlanta to visit call. The four of us went to see a movie together. And it was very real. Trisha needs to keep going. He was very relieving to me. I was like, Oh, it happened again.

Brittany 1:23:05
To be emotional trauma. I

Scott Benner 1:23:07
was like, oh my god, like I'm so happy we went there. By the way. In Atlanta, they have an awesome movie theater, and something station to hell. It's called. It's a great movie there. But um, since then, no. Although like Cole will call us and say like, Hey, I just saw Oppenheimer was really good. You guys gotta go make sure you go see it. And so like, so like, we went together, we took art and then her friends like we take like, you know, fill ins for call. Oh my god, you're never gonna see Oppenheimer. No, probably not. I think that's a long movie with a lot of talking. I don't think someone like you would like, I don't think you're looking for now.

Brittany 1:23:45
I'll slowly build into it. All

Scott Benner 1:23:48
right. That's all well, anything you want to tell me? Is there a book I should read?

Brittany 1:23:51
The great alone by Kristen Hanna.

Scott Benner 1:23:54
The great alone. I don't read books, actually. Now

Brittany 1:23:59
that's a long book. I'm remarkably bright creatures. I just got my husband to read that book. And he does not read.

Scott Benner 1:24:05
What's it about? Felt like you're not gonna know.

Brittany 1:24:10
Actually, maybe you will. So it's about this woman who works. She's a lonely old woman and she works in the aquarium and she befriends an octopus.

Scott Benner 1:24:20
million percent not really that. And now I realized it's unfair of me to ask you to watch these movies. Exactly. Oh, I wrote a book in 2013. And I was on a press release about you. And it's called Life is short. Laundry is eternal. It's about being a stay at home dad says stories that will make you cry and feel good about being a parent. Oh, I need to read. I think it's out of print. You might have to get on a Kindle. So as not to have to overpay for a paper copy, although there are some of my basement but please, I'm not digging them out. You can't have them. So nobody asked me was on the press tour for the book. It was doing like a lot of audio stuff. And it was actually One of the things that helped me the press tour for the book is one of the reasons the podcast exists because have you ever heard me tell the story of I was on the Katie Couric show? And she told me I was good at talking to people. Yes, yeah. So that's part of how you get to the podcast. I'm giving these interviews. And then at the end of the might hear back from the publisher. And one day, the publisher calls me and says, Hey, we just heard your last interview, it was terrific. Bah, bah, they were very thrilled because apparently people who write are not very extroverted often. And so they're terrible interviews, usually. Whereas I'm, like, probably more of a performer and not really a writer, right? So they're thrilled with my interviews and everything the publisher is. And she said, we just have an ask. And I was like, yeah, what's the Ask Us? Can you stop telling people you don't read? And I was like, why? And she goes, it does not sound good that your wrote a book, but you don't read because readers won't want to read what you wrote. And it trust you. They don't trust you. And I was like, Oh, really? I'm like, I think it sounds endearing. Like, I can't even read a book. But I can write one. Like, yeah, and she goes, No, that makes you sound like at all and I was like, alright, I'll stop saying that. But anyway, Brittany, yours. Your episode is gonna probably be on the I'm gonna open up a pay service for the podcast where? Oh my God, listen.

Brittany 1:26:20
Can you hear that? Freezing?

Scott Benner 1:26:24
Jesus is going to be this little thing where all the the management stuff is going to live without ads on it. Like Pro Tip series, Bill beginnings and all that stuff. Cool. And also, it'll get episodes where people curse and the cursing will be at it. So I just realized, like, I'm setting that up. Still, it's only going to be like a few. I think it's like, $5 a month or something like that. But your episodes definitely gonna be in because we curse like crazy.

Brittany 1:26:50
Yeah, yeah. It's like I wasn't very filtered, but

Scott Benner 1:26:54
that's okay. Do you want to say like a big curse word now just to say one.

Brittany 1:26:57
Oh, no, I felt the pressure. Did

Scott Benner 1:26:59
you feel why? You pressured? You would feel pressure. What do you know your favorite curse word?

Brittany 1:27:07
I think I say what?

Scott Benner 1:27:09
I say what? You say what the lot?

Brittany 1:27:12
Yeah, that's not really the word or phrase. I

Scott Benner 1:27:16
use a couple of words. I know people are gonna find very upsetting. But I use, I use them. I use them in such a delightful way. I find them to be delightful, but I don't think people do so. I'm not gonna say something right now, because I think about it more before I share that. All right, well, I guess I gotta go bunk, hunker down in my basement and get ready to shoot some invaders because it sounds like the world's gonna need some help for you. I don't even have a gun. How the hell am I gonna do it? Be thrown this monitor at them yelling I'm a podcaster. Leave me alone. Conscientious Objector? That's the work. Is that even a phrase people know? Probably not. You're so young. It's crazy. Like when I say conscientious objector to you? You don't think of somebody in the Vietnam War? Who was there to report back but not fight? No, I

Brittany 1:28:10
don't. Okay,

Scott Benner 1:28:12
I'm old. Nevermind.

Brittany 1:28:13
I don't feel young. So

Scott Benner 1:28:14
I'll take that. Here. Listen, you are 23 years younger than I am. That makes you feel Yeah, yeah. There you go. That's my gift for you today. Your gift for me is this episode that I get to put ads on and feed my family. What do you think people are ever going to be like, pay me to be on the podcast? That wouldn't happen. By the way. Don't ask me. No, but

Brittany 1:28:36
some people you've had, like, I felt like maybe they would say that.

Scott Benner 1:28:41
Oh, you think some people were so interesting?

Brittany 1:28:43
No, I just was I would be. I mean, don't you have never done that? I'm never just surprised that a few of your guests that they

Scott Benner 1:28:51
have an add on. Okay. Oh, like more professional people? Yeah, yeah. No, actually, I'm using Jenny's an example. Jenny just loves reaching people with with her message. Like she doesn't. I mean, in fairness,

Brittany 1:29:04
I'm sure she does. Yeah, she's the one that wrote the type one diabetes and pregnancy book

Scott Benner 1:29:09
with ginger. Her and ginger wrote that together. Yeah. Did you?

Brittany 1:29:12
Did you read that? That book was amazing. It's awesome. Right? Constantly recommend that book?

Scott Benner 1:29:16
Yeah, yeah, it's an awesome book. I can't believe it didn't come up before this is because I was busy talking about movies a lot. Anyway, all right. I'm gonna let you go because you have a baby to take care of. And yeah, and and you have Mom Brain to get rid of. It'll go away for a little while, by the way, hopefully, yeah, it'll come back. When you get older. If my wife's any indication. It doesn't get better. Except take your vitamins. All right.

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Brittany 1:31:37
name is Jalen Mayfield. I am 29 years old. I live in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, where I am originally from Waynesboro, Mississippi. So I've kind of traveled all over. I've just landed here in the Midwest and haven't left since.

Scott Benner 1:31:52
How old? were you when you were diagnosed with type one diabetes? I

Brittany 1:31:56
was 14 years old when I was diagnosed with type one diabetes

Scott Benner 1:31:59
15 years ago. Wow. Yes. Okay. 14 years old. What are you like? Do you remember what grade you were in?

Brittany 1:32:04
I actually do because we we have like an eighth grade promotion. So I had just had a great promotion. So I was going straight into high school. So it was a summer, heading into high school

Scott Benner 1:32:13
was that particularly difficult going into high school with this new thing?

Brittany 1:32:17
I was unimaginable. You know, I missed my entire summer. So I went, I was going to a brand new school with, you know, our community, we brought three different schools together. So I was around a bunch of new people that I had not been going to school with. So it was hard trying to balance that while also explaining to people what type one diabetes was,

Scott Benner 1:32:37
did you even know? Or were you just learning at the same time? I

Brittany 1:32:40
honestly was learning at the same time, my hometown did not have an endocrinologist. So I was traveling almost over an hour to the nearest you know, pediatrician, like endocrinologist for children. So you know, outside of that I didn't have any type of support in my hometown. Was

Scott Benner 1:32:58
there any expectation of diabetes? Is somebody else in your family have type one?

Brittany 1:33:02
No, I was the first one to have type one of my family.

Scott Benner 1:33:04
And do you have children? Now?

Brittany 1:33:06
I do not know.

Scott Benner 1:33:07
Do you think you will one day,

Brittany 1:33:09
still thinking about it? But right now, I've just been traveling books at all my career myself. So

Scott Benner 1:33:14
what do you do? What's your career? Yeah, so

Brittany 1:33:17
I am a marketing leasing specialist for a student housing company. So we oversee about 90 properties throughout the US. So I've been working for them for about eight years now. And you get to travel a lot in that job. Yes, I experienced a lot of travel. It's fun, but also difficult, especially with all your type one diabetes supplies, and all your electronics. So it's a bit of a hassle sometimes.

Scott Benner 1:33:39
What do you find that you absolutely need with you while you're traveling? diabetes wise,

Brittany 1:33:44
I have learned my biggest thing I need is some type of glucose. I have experienced lows, whether that's on a flight traveling, walking through the airport, and I used to always experience just being nervous to ask for some type of snack or anything. So I just felt I felt like I needed to always have something on me and that has made it my travel a lot easier.

Scott Benner 1:34:05
So growing up in the small town. What was your initial challenge during diagnosis? And what other challenges did you find along the way?

Brittany 1:34:15
Yeah, I think the initial one I felt isolated. I had no one to talk to that it was experiencing what I was going through. You know, they were people would say, Oh, I know this is like hard for you. But I was like you really don't like I I just felt lonely. I didn't know you know, people were watching everything I did. He was like, You can't eat this. You can't eat that. I felt like all of my childhood had been you know, I don't even remember what it was like for life before diabetes at this point because I felt like that's the only thing I could focus on was trying to do a live with type one diabetes

Scott Benner 1:34:49
when you found yourself misunderstood. Did you try to explain to people or did you find it easier just to stay private?

Brittany 1:34:57
I honestly I just held back I didn't really like talking about it, it was just, it felt like it was just an repeating record where I was saying things and people weren't understanding it. And I also was still in the process of learning it. So I just, you know, kept it to myself didn't really talk about it was I absolutely had to,

Scott Benner 1:35:15
did you eventually find people in real life that you could confide in.

Brittany 1:35:19
I think I never really got the experience until after getting to college. And then once I graduated college, and moving to an even bigger town, that's what I finally found out was people were I was like, Okay, there's a lot of other people that have type one diabetes. And you know, there's a community out there, which I had never experienced before,

Scott Benner 1:35:40
is college where you met somebody with diabetes for the first time, or just where you met more people with different ways of thinking. So

Brittany 1:35:47
I met my first person with diabetes, actually, my freshman year of high school, there was only one other person. And he had had it since he was a kid like young once this was like, maybe born, or like, right after that timeframe. So that was the only other person I knew until I got to college. And I started meeting other people, I was a member of the band, and I was an RA. So I was like, Okay, there's, you know, there's a small handful of people also at my university, but then, once I moved to, I moved to St. Louis. And a lot of my friends I met were like med students, and they were young professionals. And that's where I started really getting involved with one of my really close friends to this day. He was also type one diabetic. And I was like, that's who introduced me to all these different types of communities and technologies, and which is really what helped jumpstart my learning more in depth with type one diabetes.

Scott Benner 1:36:38
Do you think I mean, there was that one person in high school, but you were young? Do you really think you were ready to build a relationship and around diabetes? Or did you even know the reason why that would be important at the time?

Brittany 1:36:49
I didn't, uh, you know, I honestly didn't think about it. I just was like, Oh, there's another person in my class that's kind of going through the same thing as I am. But they've also had it a lot longer than I have. So they kind of got it down. They don't really talk about it. And I was like, Well, I don't really have much to, like, connect with him. So sorry, connect with him. Oh, yeah,

Scott Benner 1:37:08
no. So now once your world expands as far as different people, different backgrounds, different places in college, you see the need to connect in real life, but there's still only a few people. But there's still value in that. Right?

Brittany 1:37:21
Correct.

Scott Benner 1:37:22
What do you think that value was at the time?

Brittany 1:37:24
I think it was just what making me feel like I was just a normal person. I just wanted that. And I just, I needed to know that. Like, you know, there was other people out there with type one diabetes experiencing the same type of, you know, thoughts that I was having.

Scott Benner 1:37:39
When were you first introduced to the Medtronic champions community? Yeah.

Brittany 1:37:44
So about two years ago, I was, you know, becoming more I was looking around and I noticed stumbled upon the Medtronic community. And I was like, this is something I really, really, I kind of need, you know, I said, I, all throughout these years, I was, you know, afraid to show my pump. You couldn't, I would wear long sleeves, like, didn't want people to see my CGM, because I didn't want people to ask me questions. And you know, I just felt so uncomfortable. And then I noticed seeing these people really, in the Medtronic community, just, they embraced it, you could see and they weren't afraid to show it. And that was something I was really looking forward to.

Scott Benner 1:38:20
How is it knowing that your diabetes technology is such an important part of your health and your care? And having to hide it? What did it feel like to have to hide that diabetes technology? And how did it feel to be able to kind of let it go,

Brittany 1:38:32
I would refuse to go anywhere, like, I would run to the bathroom, I just didn't want to do it in public, because I felt like people were watching me. And that was just one of the hardest things I was trying to overcome. You know, I was fresh out of college, going into the young, professional world. So you know, going out on work events and things like that. I just, I just didn't think I just didn't think to have it out. Because I was so afraid. But then, once I did start, you know, embracing again and showing it that's when the curiosity came and it was actually genuine questions and people wanting to know more about the equipment that I'm on and how does this work? And what does this mean? And things like that, which made it kind of inspired me because I was like, Okay, people actually do want to understand what I'm experiencing with type one diabetes.

Scott Benner 1:39:18
What did you experience when, when the internet came into play? And now suddenly as easy as a hashtag, and you can meet all these other people who are living with diabetes as well. Can you tell me how that is? Either different or valuable, I guess, compared to meeting a few people in real life? Absolutely.

Brittany 1:39:35
I think if you look back from what I was first diagnosed to now, you I would have never thought of like, you know, searching anything for someone with, you know, type one diabetes, and now it's like, it's all I see. You know, you can easily search Medtronic champions. And you see people that pop up and you're like, wow, look at all this content. And I think that's something that that kind of just motivates me and which is how I've kind of came out of my shell Oh, and started embracing more and posting more on my social media with about, you know how I'm able to type one diabetes. And I think that's something that I hope can inspire everyone else. What

Scott Benner 1:40:09
was it like having more personal intimate relationships in college with type one?

Brittany 1:40:13
I think it was kind of hard to explain, you know, just, for example, like, no one really knows and understands, like what alo is. And I think that was a very hard thing for me to explain, like I, you know, it can happen in any moment. And I'm sweating. I'm just really like, not all there. And I'm trying to explain, like, Hey, this is what's going on, I need your help. And I think that was something that was hard for me to, you know, I did talk to people about it. So when this happened, they were like, oh, you know, what's going on with your mate? I'm actually a type one diabetic. This is what's going on?

Scott Benner 1:40:48
I need your help. What about? Once you've had an experience like that in front of someone? Was it always bonding? Or did it ever have people kind of step back and be maybe more leery of your relationship? After

Brittany 1:41:04
I would tell someone I had type one diabetes after some type of Evander ad, and they were kind of more upset with me that I didn't tell them up front. Because they were like, you know, I care about you, as a person I would have loved to knowing this about you. It's not anything you should have to hide from me. And that was a lot of the realization that I was going through with a lot of people.

Scott Benner 1:41:21
Okay, let me ask you this. So now we talked about what it was like to be low, and to have that more kind of emergent situation. But what about when your blood sugar has been high or stubborn? And you're not thinking correctly, but it's not as obvious maybe to you or to them? Yeah.

Brittany 1:41:36
So I also I go through my same experiences when I have high blood sugars. You know, I can tell like, from my co workers, for example, I didn't really talk to you know, when I go out backtrack, when I visit multiple sites for work, I usually don't announce it. And so sometimes, I'm working throughout the day, I might have smacked forgot to take some insulin, and my blood sugar's running high, and I'm a little bit more irritable, I'm all over the place. And I'm like, let me stop. Hey, guys, I need to like take some insulin. I'm sorry, I'm not I didn't tell you guys. I'm a diabetic. So you may be wondering why I'm kind of just a little bit snippy, you know, so I like to make sure I do that now going forward, because that's something I noticed. And it was kind of hindering me in my career, because I was, you know, getting irritable, because I'm working nonstop. And I'm forgetting to take a step back and focus on my diabetes,

Scott Benner 1:42:27
right? Hey, with the advent of new technologies, like Medtronic, CGM, and other diabetes technology, can you tell me how that's improved your life and those interactions with people? Yeah,

Brittany 1:42:38
I can. I feel confident knowing that it's working in the background, as someone and I've always at least said it, I have been someone that's really bad with counting my carbs. So sometimes I kind of undershoot it because I'm scared. But it allows me to just know that, hey, it's gonna it's got my back if I forget something, and I think that allows me to have a quick, have a quick lunch. And then I'm able to get back into the workday because it's such a fast paced industry that I work in. So sometimes it is easy to forget. And so I love that I have that system that's keeping track of everything for me.

Scott Benner 1:43:11
Let me ask you one last question. When you have interactions online with other people who have type one diabetes, what social media do you find the most valuable for you personally? Like? What platforms do you see the most people and have the most good interactions on?

Brittany 1:43:27
Yeah, I've honestly, I've had tremendous interactions on Instagram. That's where I've kind of seen a lot of other diabetics reach out to me and ask me questions. I have commented, like, Hey, you're experiencing this too. But I've recently also been seeing tic TOCs. And, you know, finding on that side of it, I didn't, you know, see the videos in different videos. And I'm like, I would love to do stuff like that, but I just never had the courage. So I'm seeing people make, like, just the fun engagement videos now, which I love, you know, really bringing that awareness to diabetes. Yeah.

Scott Benner 1:43:57
Isn't it interesting? Maybe you don't know this, but there's some sort of an age cut off somewhere where there is an entire world of people with type one diabetes existing on Facebook, that don't go into Tik Tok or Instagram and vice versa. Yeah. And I do think it's pretty broken down by, you know, when that platform was most popular for those people by age, but your younger people, I'm acting like, I'm 100 years old, but younger people seem to enjoy video more.

Brittany 1:44:24
Yes, I think it's just because it's something you see. And so he's like, and I think that one thing and obviously, it's a big stereotype around diabetes is you don't like you have diabetes, and that's something I always face. And so when I see other people that are just, you know, normal, everyday people, and I'm like, they have type one diabetes, just like me, they're literally living their life having fun. That's just something you want to see it because you don't get to see people living their everyday lives with diabetes. I think that's something I've really enjoyed. What

Scott Benner 1:44:54
are your health goals? When you go to the endocrinologist and you make a plan for the next few months? What do you hoping to achieve and where do you struggle? And where do you see your successes,

Brittany 1:45:04
I'll be honest, I was not someone who is, you know, involved with my diabetes, I wasn't really focused on my health. And that was something that, you know, you go into an endocrinologist and you get these results back. And it's not what you want to hear. It gets, it makes you nervous, it makes you scared. And so I have personally for myself, you know, I was like, This is my, this is my chance to change. I know, there's people that are living just like me, everyday lives, and they can keep their agencies and their blood sugar's under control. How can I do this? So I go in with it, you know, I would like to see it down a certain number of points each time I would love for my doctor to be like, Hey, I see you're entering your carbs. I see. You're, you know, you're not having lows. You're not running high too often. That's my goal. And I've been seeing that. And that's what motivates me, every time I go to the endocrinologist where I don't dread going. It's like a an exciting visit for me.

Scott Benner 1:45:52
So you'd like to set a goal for yourself. And then for someone to acknowledge it to give you kind of that energy to keep going for the next goal.

Brittany 1:46:00
Yeah, I feel as a type one diabetic for me, and it's just a lot to balance. It's a hard our journey. And so I want someone when I go in, I want to be able to know like, Hey, I see what you're doing. Let's work together to do this. Let's you don't want to be put down like you know, you're doing horrible. You're doing it just, it's not going to motivate you because it's you're you're already fighting a tough battle. So just having that motivation and acknowledging the goods and also how we can improve. That's what really has been the game changer for me in the past two years. Jaylen, I

Scott Benner 1:46:37
appreciate you spending this time with me. This was terrific. Thank you very much.

Brittany 1:46:40
Absolutely. Thank you.

Scott Benner 1:46:42
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Scott Benner 0:00
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Hey everybody welcome back we got another episode of Ask Scott and Jenny here not much more to say than that there's listener questions and Jenny and I try to answer them. While you're listening. Please remember that nothing you hear on the Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice, medical or otherwise, always consult a physician before making any changes to your health care plan or becoming bold with insulin. You want to help. It's easy. If you're a US resident, you have type one diabetes, or you're the caregiver of someone with type one, you can advance type one diabetes research by completing the survey at this link, T one d x change.org/juicebox. That easy 10 minutes. And just like that, you're part of what's propelling us forward. Don't forget to save 40% off of your entire order at cozy earth.com. All you have to do is use the offer code juice box at checkout. That's juice box at checkout to save 40% at cosy earth.com You should go join the private Facebook group for the Juicebox Podcast Juicebox Podcast type one diabetes on Facebook. Everyone's welcome. That's just the title. There's links in the show notes and links at juicebox podcast.com. Check it out. Fantastic community I'm sorry I went into the deep voice therapy. It's really great. This show is sponsored today by the glucagon that my daughter carries. G voc hypo Penn. Find out more at G voc glucagon.com. Forward slash juicebox. US med is sponsoring this episode of The Juicebox Podcast and we've been getting our diabetes supplies from us med for years. You can as well us med.com/juice box or call 888-721-1514 Use the link or the number get your free benefits check it get started today with us med Today's episode is sponsored by Medtronic diabetes, a company that's bringing people together to redefine what it means to live with diabetes. Later in this episode, I'll be speaking with Jalen, he was diagnosed with type one diabetes at 14. He's 29. Now he's going to tell you a little bit about his story. And then later at the end of this episode, you can hear my entire conversation with Jalen to hear more stories with Medtronic champions. Go to Medtronic diabetes.com/juicebox or search the hashtag Medtronic champion on your favorite social media platform. Hey, Jamie, welcome back to a another ask Scott and Jenny episode. How are you?

Unknown Speaker 2:45
I'm good. How are you?

Scott Benner 2:46
I'm very well, thank you. Yay, I'm gonna start where we left off in the last one. But we're just not gonna parse words. And we're gonna jump right into it. Because I think we talked around it a little bit last time.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 2:57
I think last time we ended, because we thought it was a little bit longer discussion than we had time left or something if I remember about, I don't remember exactly what it was. But oh,

Scott Benner 3:08
yes. Yeah, it was that and so.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 3:11
Oh, that's right. And I give my, my opinion.

Scott Benner 3:14
Do you did you got a little crazy. So like, I like it. And I want to dig a little deeper into it. So I'm listen at the beginning of every one of these episodes is going to tell you this is not medical advice, you know, talk to your doctor. And I'm not a conspiracy theorist. But you started to dig into it a little bit the last time once they get the okay to use the medication. Now, it's something that just gets distributed, like, you know, oh, you have diabetes, here's a statin, even if you don't show any reasons, to be honest, that that's happening now and a lot of practices. Right.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 3:48
Right. I mean, and that's, that was the baseline for my concern with it's, it's given out almost like, we'll just take this, that's in a general sense, right? You have this condition, type one, diabetes, type two diabetes, whatever, right? And that has predisposed you to these types of things. And so we are trying to be preventative, they're calling it preventative right in prescribing something like a statin went in the case of actual individual looking, you can see that somebody's already got the lifestyle habits that are preventative. It's such a hard thing to navigate recommending being in a medical field to say, just because you have diabetes doesn't mean you have to be on a statin. So

Scott Benner 4:40
I understand. I understand where it comes from. If there's so many people for so long, who have such poor care, and they all eventually end up with, you know, something that requires a statin why don't we just paper the community with it and keep it from happening? But that's I don't know that's like saying that a house burned down once a month in our town, so every night, I have to go outside and close my house off before I go to sleep, it gets a strange decision to make, I think and now if it saves the person, then I guess it was a great decision, you know, but is that the I mean, we don't want to glance over your point about there are going to be some people who are going to lead a lifestyle that will never, that will never lead to elevated levels. Correct.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 5:23
And that's where, you know, in terms of just blanket prescribing this as a medication, there are some standards that are followed, obviously, there have to be, and they're not just prescribed solely on like blood tests anymore. Right, there are parameters that are looked at, there are health risks, you know, even some stats that are being put together by data collection systems that say, this suggests that this person is at this percent of a risk based on these other conditions that are already present, or their health factors or inclusive of lab values, and all of those types of things. Those are considered, you know, in terms of heart attack risk and stroke risk, really, those are the reasons that statins are going to be prescribed. But when we talk about diabetes, they're also being prescribed as I said, preventatively. Yeah.

Scott Benner 6:12
So then that gets into the next question. We have a bulk of questions here from people. Should I be on a statin? If my lipids are okay, what about my numbers are good, but they still want me to be honest that and can we please get someone to talk about statins and whether LDL is really a reliable indicator of heart risk, as some doctors would have you believe so that's the next thing, right? Like, can't you just genetically be predisposed to a higher value, but it doesn't necessarily mean it's going to turn to something or is that not the case. So they

Jennifer Smith, CDE 6:40
look at ratios as well, right? So it's not just total cholesterol anymore, they've broken it down into different measurements, LDL, you can easily remember LDL versus HDL, LDL is lousy cholesterol, that's the one that you want to be lower. HDL is your healthy cholesterol, that's the one you want to be higher, right. So it's kind of easy to remember. But in terms of that, when they look at ratios, they're also looking at cholesterol and LDL and cholesterol and HDL ratio is and they're looking at even VLDL, which is very low density, sort of lipo protein, another component of your total lipid panel, and all of these pieces, along with the other conditions that you might be living with smoking, drinking, you know, lifestyle, activity, all of those things have to go in, when you're considering the potential of prescribing.

Scott Benner 7:35
What about having diabetes makes this worse? So if I have a high, lousy, you know, LDL, the doctor looks at me in between the bloodwork and his assessment, her assessment, it looks like I'm going to end up with actual problems from this, what are those actual problems and how to diabetes make it worse?

Jennifer Smith, CDE 7:53
Yeah, I mean, in terms of diabetes, remember, blood sugar is the thing, we're trying to manage blood sugar being too elevated for lengthy periods of time, or ongoing higher blood sugars than our with a where a body without diabetes would be. It's kind of like rust on a car, right? So the more sugar you've got in your bloodstream that shouldn't be here, causes damage in your vessels, it can cause damage on nerve cells, and all of the different little vessels in your eyes, etc, thus, all of the complications in those areas. But the more elevated the blood sugar's are the more damage and so then the body has to try to repair that damage, but comes in the form of patches or almost like band aids inside of the vessels. And that comes from livers production of cholesterol, it's trying to help the body is a self healing machine, it's trying to help itself get better, right? But you're not helping it with high blood sugars. So that's where it comes in. The more optimal blood sugar management you have, the less or likely no damage that you're causing on the interior parts of your body. And so there is where that risk factor should really be considered. Your blood sugar's are well managed, you've got an E one C, well within target or you've got, you know, a very low standard deviation, which means you don't have a lot of ups and downs and you're well within range. You've got lifestyle that proves all of the things that you're doing, you're at very low risk for anything like that. So then, you know, I mean statin drugs, essentially they they lower cholesterol liver levels by essentially decreasing the livers enzyme output of a particular type of little substance that it kind of puts out, okay, which is kind of something that goes along then with cholesterol production in the body.

Scott Benner 9:49
Now, you would take one if you needed it, right. If

Jennifer Smith, CDE 9:52
somebody could prove to me that I had particular risk factors and a lifestyle that was not proving to be preventative Have enough? I would take what was needed. Okay. Absolutely.

Scott Benner 10:03
All right, I just want to make sure. I'm not telling people not to do it. I'm telling you that there's some ambiguity ambiguity here in between, like, what happened basically was, it became in vogue to gives that into the people with diabetes. And I think it started to get in, it just started to get blended, where people are like, Oh, you have type one, take this. And people are like, I have no risk factors that I can see my bloodwork is not even bad. And they want me to take this, what should I do? That question comes up all the time. So I'm glad, I'm glad we talked about and that's I

Jennifer Smith, CDE 10:34
mean, it's good to clear up because obviously, you know, if taking it because of risk factors that are there, when you do take it, there is good information that says, you know, your bad or your LDL cholesterol can be reduced, it helps to decrease that build up, or that plaque development kind of inside of the walls of your vessels. I mean, all of those types of things can be mitigated by using it, but it's really in terms of whether or not it's necessary. If it isn't, then why are you adding something to the mix that could actually have I mean, another question that probably comes up is what are some of the side effects?

Scott Benner 11:12
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So I started off by going we go V so I caught it we go V diaries very recently it's changed over to set boundaries, but I decided I'm just going to call it weight loss because I don't know if set bounds gonna be the last glpi use or what so this person says I know that what you've said about we go V and meds like that being much more frequently used maybe one day for type ones and can you go into that a little bit. They also said you know I also hear rumblings about people worried that it causes gastroparesis. So okay, again, not a doctor. But here here's my view of it and Jenny has one too because she's worked with people who are are using gel PISA of type one. For me, I started with for myself. So I sit here before you today for 47 pounds lighter than I was exactly a year ago. Wow. It's crazy, right? And Jenny can tell you she looks at me probably more than anybody else. I look really different. You do. Yeah. So I don't have type one diabetes I started with we go V, which is just ozempic. To be clear for people it was epic is a medication that was FDA approved for people with type two diabetes. During the trials. I think they looked at each other like wow, people are losing a lot of weight on this. And so they moved over and did another trial for just weight loss that drugs called weego V. That's Novo Nordisk Eli Lilly has Manjaro, no type two diabetes, same idea. Is that bound for weight loss. I'm on Jarno and set bound RG LP with a G Ip, we go V is just a G lp. And by the way, the other day I saw news about Novo working on a daily pill to step in for the weekly injection. And they seem very excited about what they're seeing in trials for that. Now, all that aside, I don't have diabetes. So I take it, it tells your brain you're not hungry. It makes your stomach feel full by slowing your digestion, which impacts your insulin usage. I've had a number of other valuable things happen. But I watched it work for me. And then I cajoled my brother who is a type two. And I was like, Hey, man, come on. So he did it. His agency dropped two points, which is huge. The sevens into the low fives is a type two, he lost 35 pounds. But then I started talking about it on the podcast. And so now a week or so or so ago, I interviewed the mother of a 13 year old type one who had had type one that has had type one diabetes for three years legitimately has type one diabetes. Who On we go V for weight loss? Probably not why she took it she probably took it more because this is gonna sound convoluted for a second. The mom has PCOS. The daughter is showing signs of PCOS and GRPs are showing signs of helping women with PCOS. Correct. So she was able to get it through her insurance because of the weight. She really wanted it for the PCOS. And I'm not kidding you that yesterday, the mom sent me a 90 day clarity report 90 days, the kid has not bolused for a meal in 90 days. Wow. And her total daily insulin has gone from 70 units to seven.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 17:33
And that's it's only Basal then she took her

Scott Benner 17:36
pump off even Yeah, she's just shooting Basil is that I'm gonna pull it up so I can cuz I have it right here because still in my message is, again

Jennifer Smith, CDE 17:42
in for clarification to you know, from a listener standpoint, this is a very specific case of multiple components being in the picture. That it's not, it's not the solution. No, this just

Scott Benner 17:56
little girls probably has a very slow onset that just didn't look like a slow onset because of insulin resistance is my guess. Right? Yes, but you're not going to like have had diabetes for 30 years put it and drop your insulin uses 90% But you might drop it a little bit so

Jennifer Smith, CDE 18:13
or even more than a little bit. Again, in person in personal use, not personal me but personal with the people that I've worked with who have used it that a number of people have had diabetes 20 plus years who have started use of it and their insulin needs as well as that appetite suppression piece that goes along with it is very definitely it's something that the medication brings into the picture. People whose insulin needs have gone down. One of the women I work with her insulin needs went down 50% That's not even a therapeutic dose. Oh,

Scott Benner 18:49
so art and my daughter's doing the same thing she's only using right now half a milligram of ozempic a week. Her Basal went from 1.1. During the day to point eight five, her insulin sensitivity went from one unit moves or 43 to one unit moves her 83 and her carb ratio is now instead of one to four it's one to eight and she lost weight and know her insulin needs didn't drop because of the weight loss because the needs dropped before the weight came off. Before

Jennifer Smith, CDE 19:20
the weight came Yeah, I would imagine the weight eventually came off mainly because it is such a it's such an activator in terms of that not an activator but more of a suppressor really, I guess in terms of the digestive impact.

Scott Benner 19:33
For sure she's not eating as much but last thing about this little girl last 90 days average blood glucose 109 G mi 5.9, standard deviation 23 98% and range range of 65 to 180. Wow, I don't know how long that's gonna last but God bless her as long as it does. You know what I mean? Like fantastic. Right? So I would Oh, sorry. No, I was just gonna I want to remind people that that these GLP meta gauges are not FDA approved for type ones, and you're not gonna get it through your insurance. If you're just the type on the

Jennifer Smith, CDE 20:05
right there have to be some specific diagnostic codes and or reference notes and letters relative to a reason for prescribing and trying that could get it covered. I know there are a number of people who at least, you know, monetarily have the ability to pay out of pocket for it. Yeah, I know a number of people are already also going to Canada.

Scott Benner 20:27
That's how we're getting Arden. So mine is covered for me. My wife uses it too. By the way. My wife story is her own to tell. But I've spoken enough about what happened to my wife when her thyroid went poorly and nobody would give her Synthroid for seven years. And my wife has been doing this one week shorter than I have, and she's lost 70 pounds already. Wow, that's amazing. Doing so she does she just looks like a completely different person.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 20:51
And initially, it was very slow for her your weight loss was very quick to begin with. And hers took time if I remember, right, yeah,

Scott Benner 20:59
it's different for everybody. And I'm not going to tell you. It's not magic. Okay. No, I felt some people call it nausea. I felt like my food stopped somewhere like in my breastbone when I swallowed it. Like it didn't really, but that's the feeling I had. But then I'll say like three months into it, it just disappeared. And I really just, I was like, I'm losing weight. I'm powering through this, like, you know, they kept telling me it's gonna get easier. We go V, they also say may have a couple more side effects than SAP bound. It's one of the reasons I moved. I also plot toad. I think I plateaued at 194 pounds on weego V. And I was like that for months, like I would gain and lose the same two pounds every week. So my doctor moved me to zap bound where I quickly lost six more pounds. And then I think I've lost two more since then I've only been on it like six weeks or so I have I have more weight to go like, don't misunderstand. But then do I have to stay on it people are well, you're gonna have to stay on it forever. And here's what I say. I don't care. Like yeah, if I do, I do, like, you know what I mean, but I'm just gonna have a heart attack. So this got to be better. You know? Right,

Jennifer Smith, CDE 22:03
right. Absolutely. Well, and in terms of, as you just brought up, do I have to stay on it forever. I've worked with a couple of women who have used it. Right

Scott Benner 22:12
now we're going to hear from a member of the Medtronic champion community. This episode of The Juicebox Podcast is sponsored by Medtronic diabetes. And this is Mark.

David 22:21
I use injections for about six months. And then my endocrinologist at a navy recommended a pump. How long

Scott Benner 22:28
had you been in the Navy? Eight years up to that point? I've interviewed a number of people who have been diagnosed during service and most of the time they're discharged. What happened to you?

David 22:37
I was medically discharged. Yeah, six months after my diagnosis.

Scott Benner 22:41
Was it your goal to stay in the Navy for your whole life? Your career? It was? Yeah,

David 22:45
yeah. In fact, I think a few months before my diagnosis, my wife and I had that discussion about, you know, staying in for the long term. And, you know, we've made the decision, despite all the hardships and time away from home, that was what we loved

Scott Benner 22:58
the most. Was the Navy, like a lifetime goal of yours? lifetime goal.

David 23:03
I mean, as my earliest childhood memories, were flying, being a fighter pilot, how

Scott Benner 23:08
did your diagnosis impact your lifelong dream?

David 23:10
It was devastating. Everything I had done in life, everything I'd worked up to up to that point was just taken away in an instant, I was not prepared for that at all. What does your support system look like? friends, your family caregivers, you know, for me to Medtronic, champions, community, you know, all those resources that are out there to help guide away but then help keep abreast on you know, the new things that are coming down the pike. And to give you hope for eventually, that we can find a cure, stick

Scott Benner 23:36
around at the end of this episode to hear my entire conversation with Mark. And you can hear more stories from Medtronic champions and share your own story at Medtronic diabetes.com/juice box,

Jennifer Smith, CDE 23:50
sort of prior to preconception time. And then because it is ABS, it's not approved. While there are some studies in the preconception time in in first trimester in those who have type two, who have continued to use it with with results that are interesting, I'll say it is not approved in pregnancy. So the idea is if you're going to use it, use it well prior to preconception to gain whatever loss really might be in the picture. I know a lot of women in preconception or may have difficulty getting pregnant, if weight is a big piece in the picture. And once that part is, you know, down to more optimal weight for their body and insulin needs, especially the resistance that's in the picture oftentimes there. Once the resistance has come down. It really does lead to a more optimal environment to actually allow conception. Yeah, which is lovely. But then we end up turning around as I've seen in a number of women, where we end up needing to refigure settings and doses because without the Met Vacation. Your needs will go back up.

Scott Benner 25:02
Oh, you have no idea Arden's in the middle of her finals right now. And three days ago, I said, Did you shoot that? GLP? And she goes, Oh, I forgot. I'm like, I can see it on your graph rd like in days. So I think they it's a once weekly, but I was listening to this doctor online who says that the life that half life's about five days maybe? Yeah, right. Yeah. And I noticed that too.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 25:24
It peters out pretty quickly. Yeah. So again, from a preconception standpoint, it gives you enough good time to be able to say, okay, I can take it up to this point, I can kind of figure things out, trying to conceive, et cetera. We're at

Scott Benner 25:38
the very beginning of something here with this because you can find there's Facebook groups where they talk about having ozempic babies, like people who could not get pregnant, their entire adult lives. Go on to GLP and end up pregnant in two months, right? Like crazy. There was this crazy thread in Reddit. I know people are like it's read it, but no, it's where people are talking. You know, people who have I never pronounce this right, Jenny, here's danlos. Damn. What's that? Autoimmune issue with the joints? Eres danlos? Oh, I don't I never say it right, hold on a second. It's not very common ears. It's e h r s o l e r s Danlos Syndrome, a group of illnesses passed from parent to child notice inherited defects, skin joints and blood vessels. It's a very rare condition. Right? But there's this group of people. It's like your connective tissue, right? Yeah. Like if you can, like hyperextend your joints and stuff like that. Some people have like real pain from that. And I found this group of people on Reddit who are like, Hey, I have this and my symptoms are going away. And the only thing I've done differently is taking a GLP medication. And it got 15 people in the group were like, Oh, my God, I thought I was crazy. Like, I think that's happening to me, too. So inflammation may be like, who knows where this is all going to like, eventually, like shake out? All I can tell you is it saved my life. Like for sure. And you know, and what I'm seeing it do for Arden is huge. It really is. So I don't know where this is all gonna go. But if we wake up in the world one day where you're getting a GLP along with your type one diabetes, I'm not going to be surprised when it happens. Yeah, right. You

Jennifer Smith, CDE 27:19
know, it always makes me I had a conversation with a friend the other day, also an educator with type one herself. And it just makes me really consider in the, in the grand scheme of things, what what have we really shifted so much in our recent, let's say, even the past 50 to 75 years of what we're doing. That's something that is naturally produced, interestingly, right? It's naturally supposed to be there working the way that we were created in the human body for it to work. Why is it not doing what it's supposed to be doing any longer? How

Scott Benner 27:56
do we kill it off? Yeah,

Jennifer Smith, CDE 27:58
how did we kill it off? How did we kill off the function of what and why? For some people? Is it so necessary? What are people who aren't using it? And who will find no real reason to even use it? What's the difference? Yeah, like that, like the rabbit hole of thoughts is where this life leads? No.

Scott Benner 28:15
Well, why are there so many autoimmune issues? Why there's so they so much more frequently? And like how is this? Listen to me, between you and I, I think when we start genetically modifying seeds to grow in weed killer, I think maybe you've got part of your answer right there. You know. So, yes, that's all the I don't know. Thank you said Yeah, well, I don't know if people realize that or not, but they make weed killer. And then they genetically modify the seeds. So the weed killer doesn't kill the seed, so that you don't actually have to pay someone to go out there and pull weeds to choke out the thing. You just plant the stuff, spray the field, everything dies, except the modified seed and your corn comes up or whatever. And that can't be good for us. I know. I know. Like people are like, don't click on Teflon. I don't don't microwave your plastic. I don't like you know what I mean? Like, you know, I try to avoid all that stuff, too. But big picture there. Plenty of people have autoimmune issues and never had a Teflon pan. So I think maybe we're unit I mean, like Yeah, that's gotta be something systemic like that. And so my point is, I would like that fixed. But I also understand that by the time they fix it, I'm going to be dead already. Yeah, yeah. So I gotta live. I gotta live now.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 29:25
And hopefully at this at that point, you're not gonna be dead from heart disease.

Scott Benner 29:29
Not now. I thought, Oh, come on J but I had a stomach. That was that would have been clearer. If I had a heart attack a doctor would have looked at me went Hmm, that makes sense. Like, yeah, and now I don't, so maybe I get to live longer. Makes me make more. For me. I don't know how good is for anybody else.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 29:46
All right, good for everybody. Yeah, absolutely. So

Scott Benner 29:48
that's where I'm gonna land is that I've seen a number of type ones using GLP is at what would not even be considered a therapeutic dose. They're having a lot of gains. Now look To the person's last point, it's not for everybody. Nothing's for everybody, right? And there are side effects that are on the label. gastroparesis. I've seen intestinal blockage, stuff like that. You also don't know where those people were before they started the medication, or how they ate once they had it. And I'm going to give you an actual example of a person I spoke to in public. Awesome. I saw them a year ago, I saw them recently. They've lost a ton of weight. I said, Oh, my God, we looked at each other. And he was like, you lost a lot of weight. I said, you did too. And I said, How'd you do it? He goes, GLP medication. I said, that's how I did it. And then he goes, How do you like it? And I was like, I was great. I went over everything about it that, you know, pros and cons that I saw, how was it for you? I said, he goes, I vomit all day on it. And I'm like, wait, what? And he starts talking, and then I recognize he shooting the GLP. But he's eating these high fat, like meals and like, he's, he's, I don't know, you know, I don't know what to say he's doing. But it's not in the spirit of the idea is what I'm gonna get like, it's not magic. You can't like you can't shoot the stuff and then eat a five pound bag of sugar and lose weight. It like doesn't work that way. Right? Right. He's slow, just digestion down. He's had type one diabetes for a pretty long time, it was not greatly managed. I don't know what nerve damage he has or doesn't have, like, so know who you are before you jump into this. But you know, I don't know. I just my, it's just my experience. So yeah, no,

Jennifer Smith, CDE 31:30
that and you bring up a really good point. Overall, you've had success. But I also know, you know, just in our discussions privately that you do a very good job of awareness in terms of what you eat.

Scott Benner 31:43
I'm not taxing this, this situation. Yeah, you're working

Jennifer Smith, CDE 31:47
with it. I guess that's that's the thing. It's like anything, you have to work with a system even, you know, automated insulin delivery systems, you have to work with the system, it's not going to do everything for you. The same thing with medications in general. They're a piece of the pie. Even as we started out talking about statins, great amount of statin now I can go out for burger and fries like it because it's gonna No, no,

Scott Benner 32:08
no. I know that that's it happens a lot more than you might want to believe to. Yes, yes. The number of people who have basically told me I eat through my GLP. Like, yeah, it tells me I'm not hungry. But that doesn't stop me. I'm like, oh, okay, that maybe see a therapist then? Not up. Like if you're not hungry? No, and you're still eating? That's a different situation. Let's jump. Let's finish this one up, because I think this will take a little chunk of time. Okay. Exercise. Oh, exercise with type one diabetes? Oh, that's a broad topic. Oh, well, let's pick through the three questions I have here. This one was interesting to me, how high of a blood sugar is too high to exercise with. Go ahead. I'm interested in what you're going to

Jennifer Smith, CDE 32:54
say no. And that's I'm trying to frame the way to say it. Because

Scott Benner 32:57
you know, everybody gets told, don't exercise when your blood sugar gets high. Correct.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 33:03
So if we're talking about it, just from, from an angle of overall performance, there were some really good studies done. It was a doctor at the Barbara Davis Center, if I remember correctly, he did studies within the realm of athletes with diabetes and athletes without diabetes and optimized performance with blood sugars in certain ranges. And what was found is a blood sugar range of somewhere between like 100 and 180 was where performance worked well, right there, muscle performance, their endurance and all of that kind of stuff. So in terms of targeting, when you're looking at performance, there's a range to kind of work with. But a lot of people also as you said, they need to they feel they're also needing to start with a high blood sugar in order to allow the fall that they know is going to happen in their blood sugar. So then comes in the question, well, how high is too high? What should I be looking at? If my blood sugar is too at do I have to wait for it to come down to get my blood sugar moving? Not necessarily.

Scott Benner 34:09
Have you heard people talk about that? They've been told it's dangerous to exercise with high blood sugars?

Jennifer Smith, CDE 34:14
Yes, and that's the clarification there is relative to whether or not there are ketones present. So

Scott Benner 34:21
if there are so if I have an elevated blood sugar for a long time and I have high ketones, I should not be exercising, you

Jennifer Smith, CDE 34:27
should aim to clear the ketones and get blood sugar moving and both of them require insulin. Okay, right. If to clear ketones ketones require some extra hydration, electrolytes as well as extra insulin to get the ketones to move. High blood sugars also require more insulin, so you're kind of adding extra on top of just bringing blood sugar down and at that point, then, if ketones are present, again, we're talking in a normal realm not not ketosis or whatever you might be living in naturally. You're aiming to get those ketones down. Now if you check ketones, your ketones are barely visible or not even there at all and your blood sugar's to 80. Go ahead and take a walk.

Scott Benner 35:09
Yeah, I was gonna say this doesn't mean I can't miss a meal balls and go for a walk afterwards, just because my blood sugar went to 250 or something like that. Exactly what happens if I exercise with high ketones like that. So if you exercise with high ketones,

Jennifer Smith, CDE 35:22
the idea is that the way that your body is going to you're at a deficit of insulin, high blood sugars, and high ketones mean that you're operating without enough insulin in your system, and without enough insulin in your system, what ends up happening with when you add exercise, your body is trying to drive energy or glucose into your cells in order to be used. Well, if there's not enough insulin there, even exercising isn't going to help because also the ketones are present. So you can actually make blood sugar go up. It's a huge stress on the body with ketones present, as well as the high blood sugar oxygenation, also at high blood sugars with ketones changes. So you may find effort much, much harder. And there are a lot of things that are the reason that the general recommendation is if your blood sugar's above 250, you don't go and exercise. I mean, that's, that's the baseline. That's

Scott Benner 36:16
a very clear explanation of that. By the way, the best one I've heard so far. I appreciate that. Oh, yeah. No, seriously, because I've been janky on it, too. Like people are like, why you're not supposed on like, well, you're not supposed to have there's ketones, but you can't if your blood and I'm like, I don't know, it's hard to explain, you know, it is here's the next exercise question. What are the preferred numbers for exercise or sports? When high at the threshold? Should we let the kids sit? So it would you set that again, but go over that one? Where do they what numbers? Should they not be running around? And where should there be testing ketones? That is it a number or is it an amount of time high, or a little bit of both?

Jennifer Smith, CDE 36:54
It could be a little bit of both, I mean, high blood sugars. That's the reason that most meters and even insulin pumps these days still remind you to check ketones and blood sugar if you're if your blood sugar is being recorded at 240 or greater, right. So that is kind of that that that level of evaluation, but also, if you are used to running blood sugars that are well within target, and now your blood sugar has been sitting at 200 or 220. For hours on end, it's a good idea to check ketones no matter what, yeah, no matter what, right. You know, there are certainly reasons that you could have ketones at lower blood sugar numbers as well. And you know, in that instance, maybe your blood sugar's high, when it normally isn't, because you are at a deficit of insulin because your pump sites partly pulled out, or it's leaking or something is wrong. I mean, there are evaluation steps along the way that you definitely have to take into consideration. Yeah, and you know, just an hour of a high blood sugar. Technically, you shouldn't have ketones from an hour of high blood sugar, especially if it's not a pump, or a site or an injection issue. It's probably you just didn't Bolus enough or you timed it wrong, or whatever it is, right. Yeah. So then in exercise, I think another one that kind of always is in the same line here in my thought is, well, what if exercise causes the high blood sugar, right,

Scott Benner 38:18
okay, like lift, like lifting,

Jennifer Smith, CDE 38:20
like either lifting, lifting those anaerobic exercises, right, they drive adrenaline, you might have a quick rise in blood sugar, or over the course of the time that you're lifting, you might have a rise in your blood sugar, which requires insulin, many people find that especially lifters, they need to take some injected insulin or some Bolus insulin with their pump or maybe a Temp Basal increase or something to accommodate for what's going to happen. Some people however, and I see this a lot, you know, kids and adults alike, sort of that a game or they're a the race that they've been working so hard, and they get there. And all of their training has been well managed. They haven't had high blood sugars or issues, but they get to that like, really, like, hacked up energy level of this is my game, and up goes the blood sugar. And what do you do with it? Right? Do you correct for it ahead of time knowing that this is a aerobic exercise, and that you will be moving for a fairly long period of time? Do you just let the high happen? And then let the exercise bring the blood sugar back down? Or does that rise leave you set high? So you may have to analyze and this is where some experiential sort of watching to see what should we do

Scott Benner 39:37
figure it out over time? Yeah. How good is the blanket advice. If you don't want to fall during exercise, try very hard not to have active insulin in your body before you exercise. And wondering Is that pretty good advice like exercise without active insulin if you can, if

Jennifer Smith, CDE 39:57
you can, right. That's pretty good. Exercise now, are you completely at a deficit of insulin? No, because you've got basil there. Yeah,

Scott Benner 40:04
no, I don't mean no basil. I mean, like, don't eat a sandwich two hours before you go out and run around iob.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 40:10
Yeah, in general, that's an if you can plan your exercise that way, that's a great way to mitigate that having to snack not having to, you know, adjust in another way, or having to eat along the way to prevent a drop in blood sugar. Absolutely. That's, that's a great recommendation,

Scott Benner 40:29
I'm gonna throw in one question for myself. How do I mitigate the idea of I've exercised today or played a bunch of games or done something like that. And then I don't get low until like one or two o'clock in the morning. Why does that happen? First of all, this kind of like late and lows. It's

Jennifer Smith, CDE 40:47
called delayed onset hypoglycemia. It's got a name. It's got a name, dope. You're a Simpsons fan, delayed onset hypoglycemia. Most people are like, Why? No.

Scott Benner 40:59
So I know you're saying

Jennifer Smith, CDE 41:02
you say it better than I do. But the reason that it happens is, you know, in the aftermath of exercise, this is often exercise that's more around an hour or longer. And often exercise that can be more in the afternoon or the evening, you may see the later hit of the mobilization of insulin and faster uptake and better use of it. Hours after that exercise kind of is finished. And some of the reason you may not see it initially is because afternoon evening exercise is often coupled with meal or food that comes right after it. And so you may sort of miss the sensitivity that's coming. And exercise. I mean, aerobic exercise, especially, I mean, it's x, its effect could certainly be eight to 12 hours. Yeah. So I've got, you know, one team that I worked with a while ago, and he he was on injections worked better than pumping for him. But because of the buildup of activity through the course of his week, we actually found through testing, we found adjustments in his Basal dose that needed to be paid by Thursday, so that by Friday and Saturday, he wasn't just eating, eating, eating to feed his insulin, because so much of the activity had built up through the week that he just was needing a lot less.

Scott Benner 42:27
Yeah, I just spoke to somebody who added swimming to the regimen. And they had to make adjustments to their insulin because they were swimming every day. But then they said if I miss swimming even a day or so then my blood sugar's shoot up again. Because their their sensitivity changes just from the loss of that. Yeah, it's really interesting. I wrote down two words that you're going to say next, we'll see if I'm right. Oh, I'm gonna read a question. And then I believe the next words you were utter out loud, are these two words, I heard Jenny completed an Ironman marathon. First of all, I think that's amazing accomplishment. But what did she do to prepare for diabetes wise? What did she eat? How did she set her pump? And what do you suggest for longer periods of exercise? And you're gonna say,

Jennifer Smith, CDE 43:09
I tested things.

Scott Benner 43:11
I thought you're gonna say, I thought you're gonna say half marathon Half Ironman.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 43:17
But you are correct, it is. I did a half Ironman.

Scott Benner 43:20
She doesn't want you to think she did a full Ironman when she did a half one I thought that was

Jennifer Smith, CDE 43:25
I do have to say that I did the mid my husband did a full Ironman. And I did the majority of training with him. So I guess despite not competing in the actual thing, I did a lot of the training with him. Do you think before I could have done it, the actually the funny thing about it is that we were actually we were planning kids. And the team that I was planning to do the Ironman with. Just happened to pick the timeframe where we were planning to have kids and like planning kids and training for an Ironman. Could they go together? There are plenty people out there who do it. Absolutely. But that was not in my wheelhouse of managing. So he actually did it with the team that I was going to do it with. But again along the way, I did a lot of the trainings. So could I have done it? Yes, I loved I wish that I still had time in my life to do triathlons. Because they are they're super fun to train for. But yes, half Ironman

Scott Benner 44:23
environment. Okay.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 44:24
I've done a couple of full marathons though. Yeah. For clarification. Yeah.

Scott Benner 44:29
I want solid on television. Okay, so people are running everywhere. Yes. So what did you what how did you prepare for it? Like what what steps you took to to get it accomplished?

Jennifer Smith, CDE 44:41
Yes. So I already had a fairly good base for running and for biking. Because I had done enough distance up to the point that I signed up to do the Half Ironman. The first time. I had done, century rides for are cycling. And I had not yet done a half marathon I had done 10 milers, but I hadn't done even a half marathon yet. So I had a good base for how my blood sugar needed to be managed and insulin adjustments and fueling for that type of endurance movement, what I needed to add to it, and what was the most trying was adding them all together and learning my adjustment for swimming. The swimming piece of it, thankfully, I wearing Omnipod, I didn't have to take my pump off, which made it a lot nicer. But a lot of it was experimentation. It was go in with this expectation based on what I know about my response to movement and do this, and what was the outcome and tracking that I kept a lot of notes, a lot of records. I kept what worked well, in terms of nutrition, like if I was going to go for a run in the morning, how did my stomach feel when I headed out based on what I had for dinner the night before? What worked well for fueling during long runs and long biking. So all of that had to be then pieced together because you do swim, and then you jump on your bike. And then you run. So you

Scott Benner 46:18
had to figure out not just how to go into swimming from the day before but after you did it successfully. Now how do I go from that to the next thing? And then when I do those two things in a row, how do I get to the third row? It's a lot of prep months, right?

Jennifer Smith, CDE 46:31
a month? Absolutely. My In fact, my prep started I would it was about a year ahead that we had all as a group we had signed up to do a half Ironman together. We did the Longhorn in Texas was a lot of fun. Okay, was very hot.

Scott Benner 46:49
And humid, right, was humidity. It was not it

Jennifer Smith, CDE 46:52
was just it was just just dry. It was in Austin, but it was mostly dry heat. Yeah. But overall, it's a lot of trial and error. And I think the biggest thing that I found in the endurance part of it was that insulin adjustments for that length of movement, meaning time of movement was it was not as much insulin adjustment off in terms of Basal. Because what I was filling the space with for maintaining my muscle performance was fuel. And that fuel was for a purpose of movement. But when you have diabetes, that fuel also has to work with your blood sugar management plan. It's a strategy that you definitely I mean, it's beneficial to work with somebody to kind of look at all your records, with perspective that's not your own and be able to get feedback. But yeah, I found fueling things that worked and fueling things that I was like, oh my god, I can't even I can't eat this, you know,

Scott Benner 47:56
you know, you just made me think of something, I have to say, Oh, we eat like you get up in the morning, eat breakfast. And that fuel keeps you going for a number of hours until you run low and have to put some more back in. But there's I didn't it never occurred to me, I don't know why. To think of it this way. That there's an amount of effort you can put your body through that it needs fuel almost constantly, because you can't over fuel it or you won't be able to make do the running or whatever you're doing the activity. But you also can't go large gaps of time without any so you have it's little bits along the way. I see. Okay, yeah,

Jennifer Smith, CDE 48:32
that was a learning that's a really good thing, just for you to notice in terms of endurance exercise, the way that you end up fueling is not like, oh, it's, it's on the hour, let me take in like, you know, three goos, or whatever you're using, right? It is an it from a blood sugar management perspective. It's a strategy, I had a watch that had a timer set. And it was a timer for both hydration, it was a timer for my next fuel, so that I constantly had the reminder that, Oh, it's 15 minutes, it's 20 minutes, it's time for this and I had it, packet it out essentially in the right amounts for the whole time through that long duration of movement. Alright, I'm

Scott Benner 49:12
gonna ask you one last question. Don't be embarrassed. Okay. I'm gonna look away from you. When I say how much of training for this? How much of the information that you got out of that? Do you use in other parts of your management? And I'm specifically thinking about sex? Because it seems to me right now you're an active person. So I would imagine that I would. I would imagine that there's not a big activity difference between your activity already and you being intimate, but for people who are maybe sit around a lot or don't move around as much, and then suddenly are working very hard for short spurts of time. I shouldn't have said for short periods of time. Damn it

Jennifer Smith, CDE 49:54
sure that I'll get a laugh. You got me.

Scott Benner 49:56
I didn't I didn't mean it. But but the Is that? How it's got? I can't think but that's got to have that feeling right. Like, that's why I had people on are like, I have to stop in the middle and drink a juice or like stuff like that. That's why right? It

Jennifer Smith, CDE 50:12
would be different. And I would expect that it's probably, as you said more relative to the activity level that the person is already at. Right. Right. And or in their intimate time with their partner. How active? How active that gets or how fast it is, or how slow it is, or whatever they're doing together right, Thursday,

Scott Benner 50:32
or is this a party? Right?

Jennifer Smith, CDE 50:35
Exactly. So is this vacation in Paris? Or is it like? I don't know. I'll jot

Scott Benner 50:41
that down and send it off your husband Paris, we'll get it done.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 50:46
We've been there already.

Scott Benner 50:49
Okay. I didn't know it was a memory. Okay.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 50:56
Not really. But that's a really good question. Because it is something that again, working with the large amount of women that I work with, it is definitely something that comes up. I don't know that I've ever had that conversation with a gentleman. Yeah, I

Scott Benner 51:12
have.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 51:14
Yeah, but women definitely it's, it's something that gets brought up because it is a consideration. And also, I mean, the consideration of the ability to actually feel good if your blood sugar is sitting at 52. In that type of setting. Yeah. Yeah. Probably not able to enjoy as much as you should be able to. Because not only is your alarm going off, but your brain is not really I mean, there's a whole host of things that are done. Yeah. And then

Scott Benner 51:46
on top of that, if you're foggy because you're high or you're dizzy because you're low. And yeah, okay. All right. Oh, that was a good way to

Jennifer Smith, CDE 51:54
go. I never I never really thought about my exercise prepared me.

Scott Benner 51:57
Well, I mean, you, you know a lot about it. Now. I do. So if I have type one, and I go to my, my, my mate, and I say listen, I've got to get this right, I'm gonna need a lot of experience. And he told me if I just trial and error, trial and error, I'll really figured I probably just need six months, I'll get it straight. Don't you worry. I just need your help.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 52:18
I'm quite sure that they're made is going to be like

Scott Benner 52:23
alright, thank you for doing this with me.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 52:24
I appreciate. Thank you.

Scott Benner 52:30
Mark is an incredible example of what so many experience living with diabetes, you show up for yourself and others every day, never letting diabetes define you. And that is what the Medtronic champion community is all about. Each of us is strong, and together, we're even stronger. To hear more stories from the Medtronic champion community or to share your own story, visit Medtronic diabetes.com/juicebox Don't forget, we still have marks conversation at the very end. It's a terrific kind of mini episode about 10 minutes long. That goes deeper into some of the things that you heard Mark talking about earlier in the show. A huge thanks to us med for sponsoring this episode of The Juicebox Podcast. Don't forget us med.com/juice box this is where we get our diabetes supplies from you can as well use the link or call 888-721-1514 Use the link or call the number get your free benefits check so that you can start getting your diabetes supplies the way we do from us med. A huge thank you to one of today's sponsors G voc glucagon, find out more about Chivo Capo pen at G Vogue glucagon.com Ford slash juicebox. you spell that GVOKEGLUC AG o n.com. Forward slash juicebox. If you are a loved one was just diagnosed with type one diabetes, and you're looking for some fresh perspective. The bold beginning series from the Juicebox Podcast is a terrific place to start. That series is with myself and Jenny Smith. Jenny is a CDC es a registered dietician and a type one for over 35 years. And in the bowl beginning series Jenny and I are going to answer the questions that most people have after a type one diabetes diagnosis. This series begins at episode 698 In your podcast player, or you can go to juicebox podcast.com. And click on bold beginnings in the menu. And now my full conversation with Medtronic champion, Mark. Mark. How old were you when you were diagnosed with type one diabetes? I was 2828 How old are you now? 4747. So just about 20 years.

David 54:46
Yeah, 19 years.

Scott Benner 54:48
What was your management style when you were diagnosed?

David 54:50
I use injections for about six months and then my endocrinologist and a navy recommended a pump.

Scott Benner 54:56
How long had you been in the Navy?

David 54:58
See eight years up to that point.

Scott Benner 54:59
Eight years. Yeah, I've interviewed a number of people who have been diagnosed during service. And most of the time they're discharged. What happened to you?

David 55:08
I was medically discharged. Yeah, six months after my diagnosis.

Scott Benner 55:12
I don't understand the whole system. Is that like, honorable? Yeah.

David 55:15
I mean, essentially, if you get a medical discharge, you get a commensurate honorable discharge. I guess there could be cases where something other than that, but that's that's really how it happened. So it's an honorably discharged with but because of medical reasons,

Scott Benner 55:27
and that still gives you access to the VA for the rest of your life. Right?

David 55:30
Correct. Yeah, exactly.

Scott Benner 55:31
Do you use the VA for your management? Yeah, I

David 55:33
used to up until a few years ago, when we moved to North Carolina, it just became untenable, just the rigmarole and process to kind of get all the things I needed. You know, for diabetes management, it was far easier just to go through a private practice.

Scott Benner 55:47
Was it your goal to stay in the Navy for your whole life, your career? It was? Yeah,

David 55:50
yeah. In fact, I think a few months before my diagnosis, my wife and I had that discussion about, you know, staying in for the long term. And, you know, we made the decision, despite all the hardships and time away from home, that was what we loved the most. So that's what made it that much more difficult

Scott Benner 56:07
was the Navy, like a lifetime goal of yours or something you came to as an adult,

David 56:11
lifetime goal. I mean, as my earliest childhood memories were flying being a fighter pilot and specifically being flying on and off aircraft carriers. So, you know, watching Top Gun in the 80s certainly was a catalyst

Scott Benner 56:24
for that you've taken off and landed a jet on an aircraft carrier, hundreds of times. Is there anything in life as exhilarating as that stat No,

David 56:33
but there there's a roller coaster I wrote at, I think it was at Cedar Rapids up in Cleveland Sandusky, and they've got this roller coaster rotation from zero to like, it's like 80 or something, you go up a big hill and you come right back down. So the acceleration is pretty similar. I would say to catapult shot, I'm

Scott Benner 56:51
gonna guess you own a Tesla.

David 56:54
I don't I I'm a boring guy. I got a hybrid rav4 I get made fun of I get called. You know, my wife says I drive like a grandpa on the five miles per hour over the speed limit person. No more than that. So yeah, in the car. I'm boring Scott. So

Scott Benner 57:08
you've never felt a need to try to replace that with something else.

David 57:12
You can't replace it. It's irreplaceable. That's what I thought. So up until the point where someone you know, buys me an F 18. Or allows me to get inside a two seater and fly it you can't replace it? How

Scott Benner 57:22
did it make you feel when you saw or maybe you haven't seen? gentleman named Pietro has his large aircraft license. He's flying for a major carrier. Now he has type one diabetes. Does that feel hopeful to you?

David 57:33
Yeah, it does. You know, when I when I was diagnosed, that wasn't a possibility. The FAA prohibited commercial pilots who had type one diabetes, but I think it was 2017 when they changed their rules to allow type one diabetics to be commercial pilots. And part of the reason I did that was because of the technology advancements, specifically in pump therapy, and pump management. So I don't have any aspirations of going to the commercial airlines. But one of my sons who has type one diabetes very much wants to be a commercial pilot. So, you know, in that respect, I'm very hopeful and thankful. Yeah.

Scott Benner 58:05
Do you fly privately now for pleasure?

David 58:08
I do. Yeah. One of my favorite things to do is fly my kids to the different soccer tournaments they have all over the southeast us so last week, my wife and I and two of our boys flipped to Richmond for their soccer tournaments up there, and Charlie, who's my middle child has type one diabetes, so you know if I can combine flying family and football and one weekend to me that's I think I've just achieved Valhalla.

Scott Benner 58:32
So then it sounds to me like this diagnosis was a significant course correction for you. Can you tell me how it affected your dream?

David 58:39
Well, I you know, if I guess three words come to mind first, it was devastating. Everything I had done in life, everything I'd worked up to up to that point was just taken away in an instant. And I was not prepared for that at all. The second emotion was, it was scary. I hadn't thought much about life outside the Navy, certainly not life as anything else, but a fighter pilot. And Heather and I were getting ready to move to France, I was going to do an exchange tour with with the French naval air force. So we were taking French classes. So pretty quickly, I had to reinvent myself. And then probably the most important thing at the same time that all that was going on, I had to learn how to how to deal with type one diabetes and how to manage it effectively. The third thing that pops into my mind, I guess, is challenging, you know, new daily routines, I had to establish first with injections, and then eventually, you know, through pump management, and then learning how to count carbs and recognize highs and lows, how my body reacts to blood sugar trends based on exercise and stress and those types of things. And my goal at that time, and it still is today is to leverage technology and make sure my habit patterns are effective so that I take diabetes management from the forefront to the background.

Scott Benner 59:46
Have you had success with that? Do you feel like you've made the transition? Well,

David 59:50
I have I mean, I believe in continuous improvement, so there's always more to do. I will say the technology since I was diagnosed specifically with pump management is just It's just incredible. It takes less of me intervening. And it's really done by the pump itself and by the algorithms through the CGM, and to me again, that that should be the goal for everybody is to not have to focus so much on the daily aspects of type one, diabetes management, you know, we should let technology do that for us.

Scott Benner 1:00:19
What else have you found valuable? I've spoken to 1000s of people with type one diabetes, the one thing that took me by surprise, because I don't have type one, myself, and my daughter was very young when she was diagnosed. I didn't really understand until I launched this podcast, and then it grew into this kind of big Facebook presence. I heard people say, I don't know anybody else who has type one diabetes, I wish I knew more people. But until I saw them come together, I didn't recognize how important it was. Yeah,

David 1:00:48
I think similarly, I didn't know anyone with type one diabetes growing up as an adult up until when I was diagnosed. And then all of a sudden, people just came out of the woodwork. And when CGM is first hit the market, certainly within the last five years. It's amazing to me and my family, how many people we've noticed with type one diabetes simply because you can see the CGM on their arm. I mean, I would say, a month does not go by where we don't run into someone at a restaurant or an amusement park or a sporting event or somewhere where we see somebody else with type one diabetes. And the other surprising aspect of that is just how quickly you make friends. And I'll give an example. We're at a soccer tournament up in Raleigh, this past Saturday and Sunday. And the referee came over to my son Charlie at the end of the game and said, Hey, I noticed you're wearing pomp. And he lifted up his shirt and showed his pump as well and said, I've had type one diabetes, since I was nine years old, I played soccer in college, I'm sure that's your aspiration. And I just want to tell you don't let type one diabetes ever stop you from achieving your dreams of what you want to do. And this gentleman was probably in his late 50s, or 60s. So just having that connection and seeing, you know, the outreach and people's willingness to share their experiences. It just means the world to us and just makes us feel like we're part of a strong community.

Scott Benner 1:02:08
So would you say that the most important things are strong technology tools, understanding how to manage yourself and a connection to others? Yeah,

David 1:02:17
technology for sure. And knowing how to leverage it, and then the community and that community is your friends, your family, caregivers, you know, for me to Medtronic, champions, community, you know, all those resources that are out there to, you know, help guide away, but then help help you keep abreast on you know, the new things that are coming down the pipe, and to give you hope for eventually, you know, that we can find a cure. You

Scott Benner 1:02:39
mentioned that your son wanted to be a pilot, he also has type one diabetes, how old was he when he was diagnosed.

David 1:02:45
So Henry was diagnosed when he was 12 years old, was just at the start of COVID, we are actually visiting my in laws in Tennessee, we woke up in the morning and he had his bed. And several years before that, we had all four of our boys tested for TrialNet. So you know, predictor of whether or not they're going to develop type one diabetes, and whether or Henry and one of his brothers tested positive for a lot of the indicators. So we always kind of had an inclination that there was a high degree of possibility he would develop it. But we always had at the back of our mind as well. And so when that event happened, at the beginning of COVID, we had him take his blood sugar on my glucometer. And it was over 400. And so right away, we knew that without even being diagnosed properly, by endocrinologist that he was a type one diabetic, so we hurried home, to get him properly diagnosed in Charlottesville. And then we just started the process first grieving, but then acceptance and, you know, his eventual, becoming part of the team that nobody wants to join. How old is he now? He's 15 years old. Now.

Scott Benner 1:03:51
When's the first time he came to you? And said, Is this going to stop me from flying almost

David 1:03:57
immediately. So like me, he's he always had aspirations of flying. In fact, he out of all four boys wanted to be in the military, that was a difficult part of the conversation and maybe something that we don't talk about as a community. But there are some things you cannot do as a type one diabetic, and that's a hard fact of life. And unfortunately, joining the military is one of those hard and fast things you cannot be you cannot join the military as a type one diabetic. So it was very difficult for him and for me and in my wife to get over. Then we also started talking about being a commercial pilot. So I saw that same excitement in his eyes because like me, you know, he can be an NFA teen or a 737 or a Cirrus SR 20 That I fly and be just as happy. So he still has that passion today and still very much plans to eventually become a commercial pilot.

Scott Benner 1:04:42
I appreciate your sharing that with me. Thank you. You have four children do any others have type one. They

David 1:04:48
do? My oldest twin Henry has type one diabetes and my middle son Charlie has type one diabetes as well. The boys are twins. The oldest two are twins. One has type one diabetes, my middle son who is not at When has type one diabetes,

Scott Benner 1:05:01
I see is there any other autoimmune in your family? There isn't I'm really the

David 1:05:05
only person in my family or my wife's family that we know of with any sort of autoimmune disease, certainly type one diabetes. So unfortunately, I was the first to strike it rich and unfortunately pass it along to two of my sons with celiac thyroid, anything like that. Not at all, nothing. We're really a pretty healthy family. So this came out of nowhere for myself and for my two sons.

Scott Benner 1:05:28
That's really something. I appreciate your time very much. I appreciate you sharing this with me. Thank you very much.

David 1:05:33
Anytime Scott,

Scott Benner 1:05:34
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Amanda's 11 year old daughter has type 1 diabetes but you know there's more to this than just that. ;) 

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Scott Benner 0:00
Hello friends, welcome to episode 1182 of the Juicebox Podcast

I'll be speaking with Amanda today she is the mother of an 11 year old daughter who has type one diabetes and celiac, which she's also colorblind, red and green. Specifically her daughter was conceived from a sperm donor. Oh, look at all the notes here about today's episode. What else do we see here? High School used heroin. Oh my goodness. Are you gonna listen to this? It's gonna be amazing. While the episode is being amazing, please remember that nothing you hear on the Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice, medical or otherwise, always consult a physician before making any changes to your healthcare plan or becoming bold with insulin. You want to help with type one diabetes research. It's simple to do if you're a US resident who has type one diabetes or is the caregiver of someone with type one. All you need to do is go to T one D exchange.org/juicebox. Join the registry. complete the survey. It takes like 10 minutes and you have officially helped with type one diabetes research right there from wherever it is you are T one d exchange.org/juicebox this is your best chance to help research without having to pick your butt up and go somewhere

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Amanda 2:22
Hi, I'm Amanda. I daughter is 11 years old type one diabetes, celiac. Well other things that aren't usually related to this podcast and we're in Southern California.

Scott Benner 2:36
Okay. Type one. Celiac. I said celiac in front of someone the other day. And they go celiac and I was like, am I saying it wrong? I was like Jesus put that on the list. Things I apparently don't pronounce. Oh my god. Right. Okay, so I got to one celiac. Other things that aren't usually talked about here. Do you want to mention them or no? Oh,

Amanda 3:00
well, she's colorblind. Okay, which is very rare for girl. Oh, no

Scott Benner 3:05
kidding. Yeah.

Amanda 3:07
We actually like when I figured it out or started figuring it out. I got I had an HMO. So I'd go to a specific doctor and he was like, she's not colorblind. Girls are not colorblind. She's colorblind. She can't tell the difference between red and green. Nope. Girls aren't colorblind. Okay,

Scott Benner 3:25
they made me come to you. I'm assuming now because you were inexpensive. probably harder to charge and you don't understand what you're doing? Yeah. So that's a, I guess, I don't know. How do you How does that first become, like apparent to you? Well,

Amanda 3:43
hers was she was in the bath around three years old. And you know, like the paint the paint? Yeah. And so she asked Mom, can you and I don't remember anymore. She either said mom can hear me the green one or mom can hear me the red one. And I said, That's not that color. And she switched it. So she either said, can you hear me the green paint? And I said that's not great. And she goes red? Or she said opposite? Can you give me the red paint? I said it's not red. She said green. And I mean, then I was like, there's only one way you mess up red and green.

Scott Benner 4:18
Is that once you can't tell the difference? And, and are there? I mean, how much have you looked into this? Are there other versions of colorblind? Yeah, there is.

Amanda 4:28
There's I mean, and she's like 70%, red, green, Deuteronomy, whatever it's called. There's a whole bunch of different things for it like so for her. She can see colors a little bit. It's not pure like I guess if you're 100% colorblind. It's like everything is gold. Like a yellowish gold. Yeah, but she cuz she's only 70% She can tell the difference between red and green. Apparently reds, darker greens, lighter, basic visions. that things like golden brown. Yeah, I

Scott Benner 5:02
started Googling when you use the name of a, I think a chapter in the Bible instead of whatever you said, I think you said Deuteronomy. And I was like, I'm not very religious, but I feel like that. So I looked here, NIH says there's red green color vision deficiency, they call it blue yellow color vision deficiency has a lot of words and complete color vision deficiency. Yeah, wow. Right about that. And it's looks like it's here we go, dude or anomaly. Thank you is the most Deuteronomy. We didn't name the episode like straight out. I'm actually making a note about that for myself. Definitely call them this Deuteronomy is the most common type of red green color vision deficiency, it makes certain shades of green look more red. This type is mild and doesn't usually get in the way of normal activities. Then there's protein anomaly makes certain shades of red look more green and less bright. This type is mild and usually doesn't get in the way of normal activities. Pro Oberoi pro 10 Neopia and due to rot neuropathy both an hoppy Jesus the Mother of God both makes somewhat unable to tell the difference between bread green, there's also blue yellow, there's two different kinds of blue yellow and then complete like you said, Can't see colors at all. This is also called mono Christmassy or why did Jesus or achromat tapas? Son of a bitch Why do they do this? Why don't they just call it like total or I mean Yeah. Anyway, that all seems horrible. It Do you think? Is she impacted by it? If you take insulin or sulfonylureas you are at risk for your blood sugar going too low. You need a safety net when it matters most. Be ready with G voc hypo pen. My daughter carries G voc hypo pen everywhere she goes because it's a ready to use rescue pen for treating very low blood sugar and people with diabetes ages two and above that I trust. Low blood sugar emergencies can happen unexpectedly and they demand quick action. Luckily Jivaro Capo pen can be administered in two simple steps even by yourself in certain situations. Show those around you where you storage EVO Capo pen and how to use it. They need to know how to use G Bo Capo pen before an emergency situation happens. Learn more about why G vo Capo pen is in Ardens diabetes toolkit at G voc glucagon.com/juicebox. G voc shouldn't be used if you have a tumor in the gland on the top of your kidneys called a pheochromocytoma. Or if you have a tumor in your pancreas called an insulinoma. Visit G voc glucagon.com/risk. For safety information.

Amanda 7:58
She's really not the funniest part is the hardest color for her to see is purple, because she doesn't have the cones for red. Okay, blue and purple are her hardest things, I guess with red and green like they're just a shade off. And she can always tell those apart. But with purple and blue or dark blue, she can't like light purple and blue, dark blue and purple. She can't tell the difference at all.

Scott Benner 8:22
Can you explain the cone thing a little bit. And please use as many Bible references as possible.

Amanda 8:27
I don't understand it completely. But it's the shape of the cones in your eyes that determine what you're capable of being transmitted to your brain and therefore think. And the shape of her red green cones are I don't know if they're flat or what's wrong with them. But I know it's the cones that don't work properly. And so she just does not get that information from her eye to her brain.

Scott Benner 8:57
That's so interesting. Okay, I have a tiny bit of information here that you haven't mentioned yet, but you went to 711 and got some sperm and made her was that right? Yeah. Yeah. So she's from us? Yeah. No, she's from a donor. Yes. Okay. Honest donor. Was that because you paid boys? You had trouble with your spent like like the your mate wasn't able, like what leads to that?

Amanda 9:27
I was with a guy for about 10 years. Like the Melotte. Finally, it was like, Hey, maybe I actually want to have a family and stuff. And then that fell apart. And before that I didn't want to have a family. So it wasn't like a big deal. But then I was like, Hey, I actually want you. Oh, I see then what? And then I don't know if it was my biological clock or whatever. But then I was like, Bob, I want to do it. Now. I don't want to wait another 10 years to find somebody. I may be like enough. I was already 30

Scott Benner 9:57
So took you 10 years to find a person you Like, yeah, oh my gosh, where were you looking?

Amanda 10:04
Punk rock shows probably rock shows.

Scott Benner 10:08
You should call me I might have been able to help. I would have said, Hey, I made it. How about first let's not look for the punk rock shows. Let's see where that gets. I can't meet any good guys in this bar for some reason. No kidding.

Amanda 10:28
That's lovely. No, no. So then I, yeah, yeah. anonymous donor. Had her. Six years later, I got back together with a guy and now we are married and live together. And he's our dad really? Adopted? Yep.

Scott Benner 10:42
How does that feel to him? Well,

Amanda 10:46
I mean, once they met and clicked and fell in love with each other, to them, their father and daughter, no

Scott Benner 10:56
feeling of loss, or mistake that you didn't stay together? I don't really know. And yeah, don't talk too much. You might learn about each other.

Amanda 11:06
I mean, I asked him when we were like really thinking about getting back together and like really doing I was like, I'm not having any more kids. So she's got to be it for you. You're not passing on your DNA, not gonna do it.

Scott Benner 11:18
And do not see me with your seed. Been there done that. That's over now. And

Amanda 11:26
he was fine with it. But I mean, he always jokes. I don't know if he's really joking or not. But he always tells people he was like, No, I've never wanted to change diapers. I swooped in at six years old, taught her how to swim taught her how to ride a bike.

Scott Benner 11:39
I can see I can see people being attracted to

Amanda 11:42
do any of the baby stuff. I came in, right when she turned fun. Right when

Scott Benner 11:46
she turned five. Yeah, that's about right. I asked because, but I guess this is just something private. I shouldn't say on here, but what are we gonna do? You know, my brother was with a girl. They broke up, she married someone had children. And now my brother and her are married. And I always wondered In fairness, I never asked him like, you know, but like, we're also not married. So don't laugh at me, man. Okay, but, but I've never asked my brother like, did you ever feel like oh, geez, what if we would have just, like kept going? You know, like, those would have been my kids maybe? Like, like, naturally, you know, not that I don't think he thinks that. Actually, let me be clear about that. He really loves those kids. So that's that's not the case. All right. I understand. Okay, I'm good. I'm good. Some kid with diabetes needed some money and now your kids diagnosed when did that happen?

Amanda 12:39
That was in July of 2020.

Scott Benner 12:44
Right after she turned eight. Okay. She was eight and 2020 and she was diagnosed is the celiac come first? The type one. The type one. Okay. How does it present?

Amanda 12:53
Well, the obvious normal stuff if she got super skinny, I had to like buy smaller sized bathing suits, which is weird. Yeah. Super drinking water getting all my never wet the bed. She always got up.

Scott Benner 13:07
But it was happening a lot. A lot of urine. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. In

Amanda 13:12
March, actually, I took her to a well visit. And she had lost a pound. And they're like, Oh, she's losing weight. And she's always been in the very low percentile. She's short. I'm short. Like never was like a major concern.

Scott Benner 13:25
Amanda short, how tall are you?

Amanda 13:28
I'm five, two. Okay, good. So they're like, Oh, she lost a pal. And I was like, Yeah, but she's like doing stuff. Now. She's running and she's playing outside and she's riding her bike. I'm okay with losing a pound. And she's getting taller. So it looks like she she's skinnier. And like, she's like, No, I want you to go do bloodwork. And my daughter, parents freaked out. She was just like, No, I don't want to do bloodwork. And I mean, she's my only kid. I didn't do it.

Scott Benner 13:59
By your easy, you don't want to do blood work, it's fine. You're probably just gonna grow up to be a supermodel. That's where this is headed, actually. So it's fine.

Amanda 14:06
I didn't do it. And I was just like, This lady's just a little crazy. I don't know what she's saying. I'm really I was mad afterwards when I was like, you could have done a finger prick in the office, if that's what you thought. Right? Right. You didn't have to send us for major bloodwork. If that's where you were going with this.

Scott Benner 14:22
Do you think that was the doctor's inclination that they were looking for diabetes? That

Amanda 14:26
in celiac, she said, Oh, for the weight loss? Okay. Yeah, but either way. I mean, if you were thinking that don't think I've heard in the office, it would have been Hi then

Scott Benner 14:36
how long between your poor parenting decision and you find out?

Amanda 14:42
March, April, May, June, July, so four months? Oh, you

Scott Benner 14:45
think you would have known four months sooner? Well, yeah,

Amanda 14:49
but also I now that I think about it. She's had like a slow onset. Okay, her whole life. Has she never drink juice? She never ate bread. She knows Ever had candy? Like she'd have IT people like hey, do you want this? She's having a bite. And she'd have a sip of orange juice and say absolutely not. I need a lot of water. She'd have some soda and say no, I need a lot of water. And I just thought she was like, healthy, amazing kid. I mean, this was a two and three years old.

Scott Benner 15:16
Yeah. Like, what does that have to do with the slow onset, though? Tell me. Well,

Amanda 15:20
I mean, if she wouldn't eat things that raised her blood sugar and made her feel weird, she didn't have any words for it. She didn't know how to say what would that was?

Scott Benner 15:28
You think that kid was low carb in her life? Yeah,

Amanda 15:30
because now she loves you. She loves soda. Now that she has insulin to

Scott Benner 15:36
counteract it. That's interesting. So it

Amanda 15:39
wasn't a taste thing to her. It was a body

Scott Benner 15:42
maybe all carbs are red or green. She just didn't see them. It's possible. I mean, I don't know a lot about this

Amanda 15:48
stuff. You love pizza still, but that's slow so she could do that and not hard

Scott Benner 15:53
not to love pizza. Wow. Okay, so she's, she's paying a lot. You go to the doctor, you don't do the bloodwork four months later. What happens that makes you go oh, okay,

Amanda 16:03
we finally do the bloodwork. Oh,

Scott Benner 16:05
I was gonna say and she's a rockstar bloodwork. Now, I imagine years later. Oh,

Amanda 16:09
no, no, no, still no. Still still really hard thing. Tell me

Scott Benner 16:13
about that. Because I don't talk about it very often. But Arden's like a cat in a in a carwash sometimes.

Amanda 16:24
Yeah, no, I don't get it either. I'm like, you know, get shots. I mean, when she doesn't anymore. She's on the pump. And yeah, but it was like you getting shots, six or more a day for a very long time. But it's still I mean, it's a bigger needle. It's scary. She is always bribing me. Can we put it off? Can we do it this day, like always last minute, we're just barely gets to the doctor and time.

Scott Benner 16:48
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Amanda 19:21
Well, she just she just makes me feel bad. And so I have this plan a day where I go do something and then her dad has to take her. Oh,

Scott Benner 19:27
I see. So yeah, well now he's there. Back then. Was he there? In 2020? Yeah, he was living without he was okay. Yeah. All right. Because he was probably like, look, I got out of this a couple times. I could probably keep pushing this lady off if I tried hard enough. She's pretty smart about that. Yeah, give her over to him. And he's like, we're going to get bloodwork Shut up. Yes. So I should be I should be clear as an adult, and in her late teens to say she's fine getting her blood drawn. That would be a lie. I have to remember to ask her about it when she's on next time but she She sits there and watches the needle go into her arm. She can't look away from it cannot look away, she does not like it. It's upsetting to her. There have been times where she's given like had blood draws, you know, every couple of months trying to figure out like levels for like thyroid stuff and things like that. Every time it does not get better, but when she, when she was young, it was fine. And there I don't know when it happened to her. But there was this one day in the endos office, where the lady who had drawn her blood, you know, like, I gotta say, at least once a year for forever. She came in and art and just pulled her feet up on the table and started pushing backwards. And before you knew it, she was in the corner of the room and I thought she's gonna go up the wall like spider man in a second. The porn nurses like art and what's going on? We've been doing this for years partners like no more. I had to take her into the bathroom and like we had to sit and talk quietly in the bathroom was by the way so that she felt protected like it did take her into a room close the door and lock the door. So I'm like, Alright, no one's coming in. We got to figure this out. Yeah, being a parent has been a lot of fun. So far. Super exciting. Yeah, the fury of sex for a little while and then just arguing with kids about stuff. And for you, not even you do it yourself or you go to a place you can't do it yourself again. You

Amanda 21:20
know, my OBGYN was already like a fertility doctor too. So he had all the connections.

Scott Benner 21:26
What do you think would happen if I typed DIY artificial? Am I about to see something horrible?

Amanda 21:36
I think those are like the stupid rom com movies where they just use a guy for a night DIY

Scott Benner 21:40
artificial insemination kit. Oh, make fun of me. Well, yeah, you can buy him at CVS. Oh, I thought I was making something stupid up and I was definitely gonna get sent to a porn site. But that is not what happened. Freda for Tality for tat fatality fertility. Unbelievable. At home insemination set. Four and a half stars. It says just add sperm. Now it doesn't say that. It's a real thing. It doesn't say just that sperm. Although it should, right. It really marketing like technique that would be yeah, there's a number of different add home insemination kits from a number of different companies. How much did you pay? You could have done this for $129.

Amanda 22:28
Well, that's just a kid. You'd still need the sperm pump punk rock show.

Scott Benner 22:33
How hard would it have been there? I'm gonna say not difficult. My

Amanda 22:36
kid probably would have been healthier.

Scott Benner 22:40
You know, let's get past this. It's my fault. I didn't record yesterday. I have a lot of silliness pent up inside me. I need to let it out every day or this is what happens. Okay, so diagnosed type one. Finally with bloodwork. Does she have to go to the hospital or

Amanda 22:57
Yeah. So like on a Monday, she went got her bloodwork done on Wednesday, the doctor called and said we got her bloodwork back. Her blood sugar's 480. And I said, Okay, what is that bad? I had no idea. Yeah, right. I had no idea. So I was like, Alright, cool. She has to go to the emergency room right now. I was like she's out riding her bike.

Scott Benner 23:21
Yeah. And that feeling of she's fine, right? Yeah,

Amanda 23:24
she's all right. She's not dying. They're like, are you going to take her like, I guess they thought I really wasn't. I was like, I actually have a work meeting, but I'll take her in an hour. And they're like, You need to take her right now. I mean, she's not gonna die, right? Right here. I put this off for months. What is an hour?

Scott Benner 23:42
Lady I've been doing this wrong for like a half a year. So I'm gonna finish up the work meeting and then we'll be over. I'm not a high stress. You're not a high stress person. Hi, Amanda.

Amanda 23:53
You know what I usually am I just I didn't like high stress stuff was always meant with work and not at home. Oh,

Scott Benner 24:01
I mean, it's super interesting, because I thought you're going to tell me that you're laid back and micro dosing mushrooms or something like that. But it's, you're from California. That could be happening right.

Amanda 24:09
Now, I wish not in a long time. Okay. That's

Scott Benner 24:13
the punk rock show. Wait a minute. Can we name this punk rock Deuteronomy? Maybe? Absolutely. Damn. Oh, hold on a second. I'm gonna write that down. I'll forget. Do you know that if I didn't write that down? Then an hour from now when we were done talking? I wouldn't remember.

Amanda 24:31
I probably wouldn't either. fascinate.

Scott Benner 24:35
I worry about myself in those situations? I'd remember

Amanda 24:37
that there would be something but I wouldn't remember what it was like I know there was something cool. What was it? I have to

Scott Benner 24:42
start leaving in the notes that I make for myself after the recording and so the recording ends. I take a second I get a drink. I bring the microphone back to my voice and I go today we talked to Amanda. Her daughter was you know, this this old 2020 when she was diagnosed type one On she had celiac later, she has red green colorblindness, and then I start going, we should call this episode I'll go Oh, sometime about, like, it's like an hour later. It's like an hour later. I don't know. Actually, I have an editor now. And it's been terrific, like 99.9% Terrific, though part that's not great is that the show gets recorded, it goes out and it's edited. It comes back to me and I have to lay in bumpers and ads and stuff like that, right? So I have to sit back down with the track and be like, Hello, friends this episode. Like I have to do all that. And then there's 30 seconds in the beginning where I like to give a little overview of what the the episodes about, and they would come back to me from the editor and I was like, I have no idea what this is about. Like I recorded this like, months ago. I have no idea. So I had to say to him while you're listening can you take notes about the episode?

Amanda 25:58
Yeah, cuz I mean while you were at any you were hearing it again. Yeah,

Scott Benner 26:00
it but I but I don't listen back through like once the edits done, I just I cut it off by laying the the elements where they go, but I don't listen to it again. And so there's like a little scratch pad in the in the thing and he's really his name's Rob. I mean, wrong way recording. If you're looking for him. I think it's wrong way. recording.com. And his notes are fantastic. Like sometimes I look at them. I'm like, I'm going to start stealing these and using it on the website. They're so like, thorough. He's like really sitting there listening. Yeah. So. Okay, kid. Well, Hi, Rob. Yeah. Hey, Rob. What's up, man do a good job on this one. Because, you know, I mean, his dogs barking in the background so you can get rid of that. That'd be terrific. As I try to make you feel that, Oh, okay. So work meeting ends, we go to the hospital.

Amanda 26:45
Yeah, go home. Go to the hospital. Still. COVID. So, okay, my husband just dropped us off. Her blood sugar was 560. Then they mentioned how clear her pee was because you know, she didn't drink a lot of water. She told us to go to a doctor. That's 15 minutes away. If we got another 15 minutes, we could have just gone straight to chalk. I don't know why she didn't just tell us that. So then we're waiting at the closer hospital for three hours for them send an ambulance takes chalk.

Scott Benner 27:14
So you drove 15 minutes to wait for an ambulance. But you could have 30 minutes to where you're going? Yeah.

Amanda 27:20
She's like, go to Mission Hospital right there. Do that go there? Okay, I'll do it. She's like, are you going? I'm going, lady. I'm going. I'm really um,

Scott Benner 27:29
how long did you wait for the ambulance? It was it was about three or four hours. Fantastic. That's absolutely fantastic. I don't understand half the time what happens but okay, so I

Amanda 27:41
remember sitting in there and we're in there and there's telling us, you know, she's got type one diabetes. I'm like, okay, I'd like the only thing I know about this is I read the baby sitters club, and one of them had

Scott Benner 27:54
ever heard about, do you think it comes? So is there any autoimmune on your side of the family?

Amanda 27:58
I have an aunt that has rheumatoid arthritis. Okay. All right. counts. For sure. Yeah. But that's like it. I mean, I'm sure some people are a little bit crazy and have some bipolar. None of them would. would admit it. Jesus

Scott Benner 28:13
already. You're like, I'm just gonna tell you right now. I'm related to a number of people who have bipolar disorder. They don't say it out loud. But I'm 100%. Sure. Is that what you're saying? Yes, yes. Do you want to name them? No. Both and oh.

Amanda 28:28
The other female of the family, aka my mom.

Scott Benner 28:32
I was just kidding. But okay. Jesus. Do you talk to your mom? Yes. Yeah. Okay. All right. Gotcha. Everybody's nice. They just think they might literally like you think they have? No, seriously she they really do. Okay. Is your mom taking medication? She's

Amanda 28:50
been on some stuff, the last few months and she's been a lot calmer and less. Just crazy. Emotional boy thinks she's like, Oh my God, you stop sharing your location with me. I'm like, I didn't mean to sorry. And I'm 43 years old.

Scott Benner 29:02
So okay, if your location stops being shared through your phone, your mom has a freakout.

Amanda 29:08
Yeah, like I'm your mom. I'm not stalking you. It's fine. But okay. I didn't mean to. I really don't care if you see that I'm at home. Yeah.

Scott Benner 29:16
Well, you're just, I mean, what are you doing? Right? Yeah, you're old now. Yeah, that punk rock show or anything like that. You and Sid Vicious are watching the prices, right?

Amanda 29:24
I don't even listen to music anymore. My husband still he's a drummer. So he still listens and plays it all the time. How old are you? I'm 43.

Scott Benner 29:35
I have to tell you. I don't know that I don't listen to music anymore. I try very hard to but it's it's a it feels like a job to remember to listen to music sometimes. Yeah. It's upsetting to me. Honestly,

Amanda 29:50
I mean, I agree. I music was everything for a long time for me. So it's weird. Is

Scott Benner 29:55
it time you don't have time? Can I just

Amanda 29:58
just don't like the sound anymore. And

Scott Benner 30:02
when you go back to old music that you did love, do you find that it starts to feel dated? Yeah, yeah. happens to me too. Okay. All right. Well, that must be a thing that happens to people,

Amanda 30:12
I noticed that I have a hard time paying attention out to more than, like my mind and pay attention to more than one thing that my ears can.

Scott Benner 30:20
So if you put music on in the background, you might as well not have it on. Right

Amanda 30:26
or I can't hear people over it. I just like somebody's talking me, I'd have to stop the music.

Scott Benner 30:30
Are you losing your hearing? Do you think?

Amanda 30:32
Maybe I don't really think so. I can hear stuff. I just, I just only can only pay attention to one sound at a time. You

Scott Benner 30:39
don't say what a lot of people talk. But that's

Amanda 30:43
to my husband, because he starts talking and he usually talks to himself. So it's like after I'm like, Oh, you're talking sorry.

Scott Benner 30:51
Do you know people who start their thoughts, like five or six words into them out loud? Like the first five or six words are in their head and then they start talking out loud? Yeah, that's my husband. Oh, he does that. Okay. And then you're like, I don't know what you're saying. But they think you do. Yeah. It's interesting. My mom did that.

Amanda 31:08
Yeah, he definitely does say, like, Yeah,

Scott Benner 31:11
I'm like, I'm gonna need I'm gonna need all the work. If

Amanda 31:14
you want me I don't know. What about what?

Scott Benner 31:17
You gotta say it all out loud. That's funny. Okay, so Okay, get to the hospital. Finally, kids got diabetes. Now I'm dying to know how you handle it. Because so far, you've handled the entire thing. Like, just very quickly, when I was gonna say whimsically. You're just like, it'll be fine. But when they start telling you what's going on, and you start getting a grasp of it, does that shift your attention?

Amanda 31:40
I don't know. They must have I remember them. They must have thought that I was just still so nonchalant about it. Because I'm asking the doctor. I was like, Okay, how concerned are we about her right now? And he understood what I meant. And he's like, she's fine. She's gonna live. We just have to do stuff. But the nurse that was in there was like, you can't take her you have to stay here. I was like, I wasn't gonna go anywhere. I was just asking like,

Scott Benner 32:05
hey, the kids not gonna die. Right? That's what you're right. Yeah. How

Amanda 32:08
concerned? Am I right now about her health? Yes, she's about to die. Do I need to call everybody and get them here? Or is she gonna be okay? Because

Scott Benner 32:16
it took a lot to make this one. And I've already decided I don't want to do it again. And I like, I like her and everything. So it can we kind of keep her here. Is there a way to do that? Oh, and the one nurse thought the one nurse thought you were being nonchalant. Like you were just gonna blow out didn't? Yeah,

Amanda 32:30
like if I was like, oh, it's not a big deal. She's like, you can't leave here. Leaving? No, that's not at all what I meant. didn't

Scott Benner 32:35
say that. Doctor got what you were saying. And then how long was she in the hospital for?

Amanda 32:40
That was Wednesday. We came home Friday afternoon. That's pretty quick. She wasn't really in DKA. She was only on IVs for about six hours. Maybe?

Scott Benner 32:49
Okay. Yeah, that's, that's great.

Amanda 32:52
I wouldn't see was 12.1 Which seems high. But I don't I mean, maybe she just drink so much of the water, the acidic or whatever, Amanda,

Scott Benner 33:03
if that was true, then everybody listening would just drink water instead of using insulin. For six, six hours, you've made a couple of leaps in your in your, in your thought you were like, she probably just ate low carb or whole life but had diabetes the whole time. I'm going to tell you between you and I, I don't think that's right. So but but you're telling your story. So I'm happy to listen. But yeah, I mean, it's I mean, it's well, day one see would indicate that her blood sugar had been elevated for a while, but not to the point where I mean, she's still making some insulin. Obviously. You don't think she's how long she three years later? Does she have

Amanda 33:40
any? I don't think she ever had a honeymoon. But no, I don't think so.

Scott Benner 33:44
It was kind of gone before you figured out that there was diabetes is there? Yeah. Okay. I took care of that. Not doing anything with your work meeting and other such things. Do you ever look back and think oh my god, if it would have onset quicker like she would have really been in trouble. Yeah, of course. Does it make you feel a certain way?

Amanda 34:01
Well, yeah, how? pretty shitty. I mean, I feel pretty bad about it. I'm still mad that the doctor didn't just give her a finger prick, right? They're just like, if he would have just said what you thought it was and done. And I mean, she probably would have been at maybe 200. Then maybe, and then I would have found out about it and I wouldn't have had to rebuy brand new bathing suits. Six instead of eight.

Scott Benner 34:29
I like how, at the same time, like thoughtful you are about this and flippin at the same time. It's very it's very much fun to listen to. You're like, you know what, I feel bad because I didn't see it sooner and something could have happened and that's very upsetting. And plus, a lot of money in bathing suits went out the window. I can't tell if you're hilarious, or literally not paying attention anything.

Amanda 34:57
I'm pretty funny. Okay.

Scott Benner 34:59
That's what I was wondering. I mean, listen, you've got to have a good sense of humor if you get sperm at a 711. So you get a Slurpee while you're there, too. I wouldn't.

Amanda 35:12
I did drink a lot of Slurpees when I was pregnant. I wonder if that gave her diabetes.

Scott Benner 35:17
I don't think that works that way. But I know you drink a lot of Wait a minute. You drank a lot of Slurpees while you were pregnant. I did. So I randomly said 711 But you're a 711. Girl. You know, I got them at Target. Oh, look at you fancy. Yeah, yeah. You don't get a 711 Are there even seven? elevens in California?

Amanda 35:38
Oh, yeah. Okay. Yeah, I don't know. There's a lot of them there. None of them are gas stations, though. They're always just like corner stores.

Scott Benner 35:44
Fair enough. My 711 Growing up was a corner store. Did you guys get Wawa? Did they make it to the West Coast? No,

Amanda 35:51
I've never heard of them. Okay. Not in the south either. Because I grew up in Georgia. Yeah,

Scott Benner 35:56
you had the buches are down there. Now. You grew up in Georgia. Where in Georgia grew up.

Amanda 36:00
Woodstock. So that's, like

Scott Benner 36:05
inland Right? Like, more? Like

Amanda 36:08
45 minutes north of Atlanta. Yeah.

Scott Benner 36:11
Okay. Well, how'd you get to California?

Amanda 36:13
I was born in California. We moved to Georgia when I was 10. My dad worked for Coca Cola out here. And so got transferred to Coca Cola capital.

Scott Benner 36:23
Which is in Cal. Oh, is it Atlanta, which is in Atlanta. Right. There's that big bike? Somehow there's, if you've never heard of coke, if you've ever been there, there's like a Coca Cola Museum and almost feels like it's like,

Amanda 36:36
it's really cool, actually. Yeah, I

Scott Benner 36:39
mean, you know, soda wasn't bad for you. It'd be amazing. Sure. It's yeah,

Amanda 36:43
they have like little things with soda like sports across the sky until cup four. Yeah,

Scott Benner 36:48
yeah. No, but like, if it was a heroin Museum, you'd be put off by it.

Amanda 36:54
Well, not me but that's the other reason I went to Atlanta.

Scott Benner 37:01
Amanda when that drummer and you break up, call me out have fun.

Amanda 37:11
That's a weird thing. I don't know if I want to I don't know if I don't want this to be an after dark. I won't say but.

Scott Benner 37:15
Wait, you were gonna say something that if you said it, it would be an after dark? Probably. Is it about him? No. Oh, about the other thing about the heroin? Yeah. Oh, I see. Damn. All right, then. It's fine. You don't have to share more than you want to. Just tell me did you snorted or injected? Bow. Oh, there you go. Well, now it's an after dark. Congratulations. You said punk rock. You married a drummer. I assumed there was drug use somewhere. And he's never done it. It's not him. Well, he doesn't need to your eyes. Okay. He's fine. Any man? One of us is gonna be paying attention.

Amanda 37:52
No, I never did it out here in California. I met him out here. Yeah, I only lived in Georgia for 11 years. Middle School in high school. Little bit of college. And then I came back out

Scott Benner 38:00
here. The drugs were in California. Not in Georgia. No drugs. Were in Georgia. Not in California. A weird place sometimes.

Amanda 38:07
Yeah. I mean, I guess it's like it was a small city and there was nothing to do. So yeah, it was just one of those things. When I came out here. Like, I didn't really look for it. But I mean, I guess even if I did, I don't think it would have been easy to find me. Maybe none of the people I met around

Scott Benner 38:23
here. Are you saying you think it was boredom? Oh, totally. When you were younger, and all that fat, Coca Cola money just sitting around it do something? Oh, my God, I don't know if anyone else is impressed that I haven't made a beat on the skins reference because your guy's a drummer. And like, I've kept it completely clean this entire time. So I mean, I don't need like congratulations or anything like that. But somebody you know, to be impressed. So I just completely let it go. You know, so many different versions of inappropriate and they're not me, I held it together. And we went right to drugs instead. Okay, so let's be clear for the people. You don't do that anymore. Is that correct? Correct. hadn't done that while you're a parent?

Amanda 39:05
No, okay. No, not at all. Let me but it's weird. Like I remember. And this was about the only thing I actually didn't know about type one diabetics is that I guess anyone know is type one, but just like sometimes people would go and try and get syringes. So they'd have to go to the pharmacy and be like, say you're a diabetic and see if you can get some syringes used to

Scott Benner 39:23
be able to know, I have that backwards that know the insulin used to use to be able to get insulin, actually, someone told me recently I have no idea if this is true, you still don't need a prescription for like regular. I don't know if that's true or not. But when my buddy was young, he was on like regular mph. He did not need a script for his insulin. He did a script for his needles. But you're saying you could go in and say I have diabetes give me needles and they give them to some

Amanda 39:50
places would but they'd have to have. I mean, I guess maybe they didn't need a prescription, but some places would still do it. Otherwise I don't really know the whole rules because some people could go get him and they maybe they just knew somebody. How

Scott Benner 40:05
long were you involved in that lifestyle?

Amanda 40:08
Two years,

Scott Benner 40:09
you have any trouble stopping?

Amanda 40:10
It wasn't fun. But no, I mean, it really wasn't. I've never like went through crazy withdrawals or anything like that.

Scott Benner 40:18
What makes you stop? I didn't?

Amanda 40:20
Well, I had told myself that I would never use a needle. So I once I actually did that I did it about two more times. And then I was like, No, I'm not going down this route.

Scott Benner 40:32
You crossed your own line, and then decided it was going to keep happening. Yeah,

Amanda 40:36
gotcha. Let's I didn't really like the boy who was dating anymore. That helps.

Scott Benner 40:41
And he was involved with us. Yeah, I see. I'm following. Don't worry. I got this whole thing straightened out in my head.

Amanda 40:49
I mean, I liked the heroin. I just didn't like him. You

Scott Benner 40:53
trying to rename the episode again?

Amanda 40:57
I like I mean, there's a reason people do it. It feels great. It's wonderful. But it's, I don't know, I guess I just grew up. I didn't want to grow up every other night or whatever.

Scott Benner 41:10
So the downside of heroin to you was finish that sentence for

Amanda 41:14
me. nominee.

Scott Benner 41:17
None of the other stuff. Like the vomiting is the thing that turned you off about it. Yeah, interesting.

Amanda 41:23
Yeah, I didn't. I didn't. Yeah. I mean, it felt great to be on it. But I would always throw up always

Scott Benner 41:31
being a person who used heroin. That was not part of what threw you off about it. Not

Amanda 41:35
really. But I mean, I was No, I still worked. I still did stuff. Like the hardest part about it was my boyfriend was kind of a dumbass and a junkie and I'd have to go down to Atlanta and like, saved him a lot. But I didn't get into it so bad that I wasn't still a productive member of society.

Scott Benner 41:55
Okay. Okay. So you're using it? What you would call like, recreationally? Yeah, gotcha. I mean, it's funny. I know what you look like, switch is an unfair advantage. But if you and I met in person for the first time, and you just walked up to me and said, Hey, I used heroin. When I was a child, I'd look at you and I go, No, you didn't stop it.

Amanda 42:17
You can't see my tattoos on me. Yeah,

Scott Benner 42:19
no, but like, you just, you just look like someone's mom. Now. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. Everyone has to wonder when they hear this, oh, my God, did my mom do heroin?

Amanda 42:32
You know, I don't so much anymore. But at first when they started just giving us prescriptions of needles. I was like, well, if, for some reason anybody needs a needle, at least I can give him a clean needle instead of going somewhere and getting gross one.

Scott Benner 42:45
Do you still know people who use? No, not at all? No. Okay. Interesting. Wow. I'm fascinated by this. I'm having such a nice time. I don't, I don't know what's wrong with me. But I actually I just met somebody the other day, who said to me, it's a person I knew, but I had never met in person. And we had time to be together for a while. And they said, You're so direct. And I thought, No, I'm not. Am I I'm a I'm direct. And then I started really thinking about it. I was like, oh my god, I guess a lot of people wouldn't say the things I say, I never really It never occurred to me before. Like being completely serious. Like when she called me direct, it threw me a little bit.

Amanda 43:30
That's what I've always liked about listening to you is you are open and honest. You have your opinions, but they're never judgey I think that's what I like, like, whatever it is, you're just like, alright, you only know about it. But you're never like, your person. Yeah,

Scott Benner 43:46
no, if you want to say no, if you want me to judge, you just have to come here in person. And I'd be happy to. But it's not. It's not I'm not a saint. You don't I mean, are there dude, are there saints in Deuteronomy? That'd be amazing. But I don't either, honestly, well, I don't feel judgmental towards people. Like, I mean, I could be if you want me to say, this is what I think and I see this and, you know, I could come down on the side of it, I could, but for the purposes of this podcast, and for life in general, I don't see the value in doing that. You know, like, I mean, sitting around the house and talking about like a mole on somebody's face is judgment is judgy. But it's, you know, it's between three people and nobody can hear and the lady with the mole doesn't know so you know, anybody but yeah, for my actual life and for this podcast, I see no value in doing anything but listening to people's stories, trying to understand them. And that's it. Really I don't I don't see a reason to do anything else about it. But anyway, yeah, I was really thrown off like she's like, you're very direct. I was like, I am not. That's where I started. Then I was like, Oh, I am. But I but I don't take that back. Yeah, I very directly told her she was wrong. No, no, I just I am And I was like, really? Because yeah, it's incredibly so I was like off putting and she goes, No. And I was like, Okay. She's just like you say things I would never say out loud. And I'm like, huh, I don't know that about myself. That interesting. So it's very interesting. I bought an eraser the other day, in the shape of an ear. I don't mean, I don't need it, but it's called an eraser. And they put a picture of Van Gogh next to the box.

Amanda 45:30
I was gonna say, is it Van Gogh's?

Scott Benner 45:32
It's not apparently the Van Gogh. People don't sell erasers. Although I say money left on the table. The picture of Van Gogh next to it cracked me up so much. I was like, I'm buying an eraser. And Kelly goes, do you even write in pencil? And I was like, listen, that's not important. I mean, I have an eraser on my desk from now on. So I'm looking at it and bringing that up, because this episode seems like it's all over the place. Who cares? Talk a little more about why I'm terrific.

Amanda 46:00
Oh, well, you're delightful. And, yeah, I mean, you're pretty funny. I like you.

Scott Benner 46:06
I appreciate this. What you found the podcast for diabetes purposes, I imagine.

Amanda 46:10
Correct. Okay. And that was like, I wasn't right away on there. I mean, she was diagnosed in like August. I think the first episode I listened to was around one of Thanksgivings, of just like, how to get through Thanksgiving.

Scott Benner 46:24
Oh, the talk turkey, the short episode where I just like I stream of consciousness talk about how to manage Thanksgiving Day. Right? Yeah, that's a good one. Actually. It was pretty good. I mean, you said pretty good, which hurt my feelings a lot. But

Amanda 46:39
well, after that it was the Dexcom one with this somebody from Dexcom. And I was like, Well, this is kind of boring.

Scott Benner 46:44
Yeah, that stuff is pretty topical. Like, in the moment when everyone's like, what's happening with Dexcom? Like, what's coming out? Like, then people are like, Oh, my God, it's amazing. It's hard to go back and listen to them afterwards. Because you're like, yeah, that happened already. So yeah, yeah. It's not quite as exciting. But okay, so you found the podcast, listen to it. Do you? For example, like Have you listened to the Pro Tip series?

Amanda 47:05
I did. I didn't, I haven't listened to the remastered ones. But I listened to them. Help. I kind of went back and found very much. Okay, good, good, good, very much. That was like I started coming home and like, we've got to get the pump. We've got to get the Dexcom. At first it was the ducks home. And my husband and daughter. Were just like, No, no, we're doing fine. Let's not change anything. We're doing. Okay. It's like, No, I want to get it.

Scott Benner 47:31
Did you feel like you weren't doing okay. Or do you just feel like there was better to be had?

Amanda 47:35
Yeah, there's this better? I will. Yeah, I just I wanted it. I just knew that. I wanted to know exactly how she was responding to it.

Scott Benner 47:44
Mandy sound like your mom with the Find My iPhone thing? I'm just teasing you. I think what you did is completely reasonable. I just saw a great opportunity. I

Amanda 47:53
mean, I used to be like, What do you work for? Dexcom. Now you're gonna be one of their salespeople. They need it. This is the drummer. Yes. But then once we got it, once I pushed for it and said, We're just doing it, you screw you. I'm the one who works. It's my insurance. We're doing it.

Scott Benner 48:09
Yeah. What about your daughter what you have to do to talk your daughter and awareness? Well,

Amanda 48:13
I told her that she'll be able to choose the pump. That will be her choice, but I'm forcing this on on you. I'm sorry. I know I shouldn't. But I'm doing it till you're 18 you're wearing a Dexcom since you've resisted. She had a first but I mean, once she got it. She was like once she stopped doing sanparks 10 times a day.

Scott Benner 48:36
Then she's like, Alright, I'm in on this. Yeah,

Amanda 48:38
she's like, Yeah, okay, this, she hated the change, like changing and all that she's fine with it now. She just started doing it on her own actually good for her. That's really cool. She likes to watch YouTube videos of people doing it. Like, I want to draw my stomach. Now I want to turn my legs. I don't want to do

Scott Benner 48:53
this. Oh, nice. Oh, that's excellent. That's actually really exciting. I listen, I've said it before. I'll say it again. I don't understand letting children make medical decisions. So it's weird to me. Right. You know, I mean, if you were at the hospital, and the doctor was like, you know, I think she'd be healthier if she wore this heart monitor because of her. I don't know, whatever. And she goes, I don't want to wear a heart monitor. You wouldn't go okay. Or the human.

Amanda 49:14
I also didn't take her for bloodwork for four months. Yes. I'm

Scott Benner 49:17
saying maybe you would, but most people.

Amanda 49:21
But no, yeah, that one. I was like, I'll I'll let you choose the pump. And then she still didn't want the pump a year later. And I was like, You know what? We're doing the pump. Sorry.

Scott Benner 49:31
So you just shows the bump?

Amanda 49:33
Yes, like we're doing it. We're definitely you mean the pump. I'm sick of doing shots. You,

Scott Benner 49:38
you parent, like somebody who grew up in the 70s is done heroin. That's fantastic.

Amanda 49:46
And then we got the pump and then then we're like, oh, wow, this is better and easier. Wow. Imagine that. Oh, so

Scott Benner 49:51
she came along on that too? Yeah, yeah, it's hard. Listen, it's a difficult thing.

Amanda 49:57
You know, the weird thing is like it's so much cheaper. Insurance wise to have a pump like pens. What do I mean? Um, maybe I had crappy insurance, but pens were like 4050 bucks a month where insulin is three or $10.

Scott Benner 50:11
Right? And then the pumps are costing you what? Oh, the pump was covered. Okay? So there's just you're out of pocket the beginning of the year, and then you're done after that, right? But you were paying you were paying for the pens, so

Amanda 50:25
I was paying for the pens like our copay was about 45 bucks. And our copay for pen needles was about 45 bucks. I

Scott Benner 50:32
didn't know that. Let me just slip this in here real quick. Amanda omnipod.com forward slash juice box. There you go. I'm using case people right now are like, wait a minute, a pump could be cheaper than my pens. I mean, you know, no reason we shouldn't support the podcast while it's happening. Oh, wow. So you switch to a it's interesting. So you said look, we're gonna get a pump now got a POM she got used to it eventually. She doesn't resent it. You don't hear feel any pushback now or measure any resentment from her.

Amanda 50:59
Now, once we got it, there was a couple times where I wasn't sure if the site was working or whatever. So I was like, let's just do a shot. Before we change it goes to see which one it is. And she flat out refused. Then she was like, Absolutely not. She'd run screaming and crying. Oh, what did the shots just change the site? So she went from only wanting shots to never ever long shots again. Yeah,

Scott Benner 51:24
yeah, I still haven't gotten art. I tell that story. Actually, those are the two stories. When I say earlier, I needed to have art and talked about on her Oh, her getting blood draws, I'm actually going to write this down. blood draws I gotta get her to talk about and giving herself an injection, which she has done. How many times in her life, you go ahead and guess she used needles for two years old, three years old. Some of four years old. My best math told me she got like 10,000 like shots and no fingerprints combined. How many injections do you think she's ever given herself?

Amanda 51:58
I'm gonna say less than five. Yeah, one.

Scott Benner 52:02
One, and it was like a year and a half ago. And it took her about 45 minutes to get the nerve to do it. Maybe longer. She disappeared into a bathroom for an incredibly long amount of time, and then came out and was like, I did it or like, okay, great. She's like, 18 She's like, I don't I don't want to do that again. I was like, Okay. Like, you might have to at some point, you know, and she's like, I know, that's why I did it once. But let's make sure that that doesn't have to happen. And I was like, I will we'll do our best. But yeah, we were just like wanting to check if a pump site was bad. And so I say hey, we just inject real quick, we'll know if it's the site or if you've got something else going on. And she's like, Yeah, I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna do it. Oh, my God, I swear to God is our more. I'm gonna get her to tell that story. So she didn't really talk about it. Like I'd like I really would like to hear her perspective on on those two things. So anyway, yeah.

Amanda 52:53
I don't know. I don't know why, like, my daughter was just always for a long time. I was the only one allowed to give her a shot. She wouldn't even let her dad do it. And

Scott Benner 53:01
me, it makes sense to me probably felt safe to her.

Amanda 53:05
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, she, she'd sit on his lap. At first, she'd sit on his lap and like bite his finger as I was doing it. But that started in hospital when they're like, Okay, you can have something to hold and do something. She started biting swinger.

Scott Benner 53:20
Interesting. You both have that in common. You got six shots and stop doing them. I appreciate you coming on the show. And being so honest, by the way, it's very nice of you. Really to appreciate it. Is there a reason you wanted to come on the podcast? I usually feel like I should ask that question at least 45 minutes into the conversation.

Amanda 53:40
Oh, well, I mean, I was just listening all the time. And I was going to work as listen on the way up, listen, during lunch, listen on the way home. And it was just fun to hear. And I did get a lot of like, good little bits of information. Just from the conversation once Yeah. Like, oh, I didn't think about that. That's not in the pro tips or even Jenny talking or whatever. Yeah,

Scott Benner 54:03
I appreciate that very much. Actually. It's it's super interesting. Because as super interesting to me, because I make the podcast but you know, the rest of you might be like, I don't find it that interesting, Scott, but I do. I think it's an insight. The people who really love management, like specific episodes, they love it, like voraciously, but where most of the podcasts popularity is actually in the conversations. Like there are plenty of people who love the conversations who don't listen to the management. And, but the people who are very, like voracious about the management, sometimes they'll be like, Yeah, I don't want to hear people's stories. Kind of incredible. And the management people are highly focused inside of the private Facebook group two. Yeah. Because because the private Facebook group is huge. Right, like, okay, yeah, it's fantastic. It's huge. But if you try to start a conversation there about like, hey, Amanda was on today. And did you get As here, they don't get a lot of like, play one on the conversationally on the on the page. That was the one thing that surprised me. I thought people were going to be like every day, they'd be like, Oh my God, did you hear the story? Those people don't seem to be Facebook people. So yeah, I

Amanda 55:15
don't think so. Yeah. It's interesting to me, I really don't go on it so much anymore. I, I kind of skim through it, or something easy. I can help answer. I answer real quick. Well, that's

Scott Benner 55:25
very nice. I appreciate that. But otherwise,

Amanda 55:27
I don't like really read him that much. But I mean, because I remember when I was first starting, I was like, why does this tubing look like this? Or why is this? And I start to Google it. And I think I'll just put it on Facebook. And like, I have 50 answers. Yeah. And they're pretty much all the same. So I'm like, I'm going with that.

Scott Benner 55:46
Yep. And then you're like, This must be right. A lot of people think it, which I don't think that's exactly the right way to get good information. But it's a fair bet.

Amanda 55:56
of type one diabetics. Yes. Yeah. And

Scott Benner 55:59
it's on something. It's such a simple, specific thing. Like I wouldn't ask about like, I don't know, I wouldn't get online and go, Hey, what's the right thing for me to think about this Ukraine conflict? I think they're your you know, if you get a bunch of people agree, you probably didn't hear the other side, you know, but, but there's not a lot of other side to, you know, how do I handle this with my pen or something like that? And so no, it's, I actually think it's amazing. I'm very proud of it. Honestly. I think it helps a lot of people, and it's free for them. And I think that's nothing but good. Anyway, alright, so you wanted to come on, because you heard other people on here and hearing their stories helped you pull tidbits of good information out? Yeah. What do you think people have learned from you?

Amanda 56:42
Don't wait, when the doctor says good?

Scott Benner 56:47
Yeah. Do you think they learned that heroin makes you throw up?

Amanda 56:51
My knowledge? I have to be honest

Scott Benner 56:53
with you. I have no common knowledge about heroin. So I think first talked to enough people about it. Yeah, I mean, I have their knowledge now. Yeah, but I didn't have any before. If I didn't have the podcast, I'd be like, I don't know. Like my drug references would be from like, I don't know, Eddie Murphy movies from the 80s. If that happened, gaming?

Amanda 57:12
Yeah, yeah, maybe they weren't. I think that's pretty common knowledge, though. They even put that in movies. Can

Scott Benner 57:19
I tell you what I get out of your conversation?

Amanda 57:23
Can I take it? I don't know what Deuteronomy me know,

Scott Benner 57:25
neither of us know that. What I get out of your conversation is, even though you are not classically, if I said if I sat 10 people in a room, and I said, Build me the picture of a really great parent, or a really great mother or something like that. I'm being honest, I don't think people would paint a picture that you just painted of yourself. But you're a real, you're really good mom. And yeah, and you're very good at this diabetes thing for your kid. And I like your focus on it, and all of that stuff. And what I think it tells you what I think this conversation tells us, you probably shouldn't judge people, because, you know, you get a couple of factoids about them, and you think you understand their whole picture. And your factoids, or like, would be easy for people to make a bad decision about who you are. Does that make sense? Yeah, that makes sense. So by having the conversation, the rest of you comes out. And that, to me, is what this is about. So if you guys are looking for behind the scenes idea of what I think this episode is about, that's what it's about for me. But and I think that's very important. Because if you want to get further and further into this, eventually you're going to be judging your own children this way, too. You know what I mean? Like, your kids grow up, and then you start seeing little things about them, you know, like, Oh, my God, just, you know, my kids smokes weed. Everything's terrible. Wow. Is it all terrible? Or is just a very, like, complex person who also does this? And that's what I see in there. It's very cool. Like, I appreciate you sharing your time with me. Oh, thank you. Seriously,

Amanda 58:58
what are we doing?

Scott Benner 58:59
Oh, no, I'm glad Thank you. Did we miss anything? Have I missed anything?

Amanda 59:03
Oh, my God. My daughter wanted to come say hi, real quick. She says come to look and I just realized there's a dead rat on the ledge up here that my cat Mr. Left.

Scott Benner 59:15
Whoa, whoa, slow down. We'll talk to your daughter in a second. The rats on the inside of the outside of your home. Inside

Amanda 59:23
so we have like this like large, like, just big ledge. There's a mini drum set on it, obviously. And it's just like a decoration ledge. I say my cat hangs out up there. And I don't usually come up here. But now I'm looking over.

Scott Benner 59:38
I have questions. How long does the rat appear to have been there? I'm

Amanda 59:43
gonna go for a week. Oh,

Scott Benner 59:44
is it like dehydrated yet? Yeah, the cat rip into it?

Amanda 59:49
No, not too much. left it there. I can see this

Scott Benner 59:53
this how frequently Oh, so first of all, let's just tell people again remind them you're in California, not theirs. There. Are Some people go? I don't understand why is there a rat near your house? But there are in some places, right, so Well, yeah,

Amanda 1:00:06
I mean, my cat brought it in. Yeah, it doesn't live in your house. Right?

Scott Benner 1:00:10
I gotcha. How often does this happen? Well,

Amanda 1:00:12
we moved to this apartment a little over a year ago and they keep it rent free and lots of pesticides. So this is the second one. At our old house, she would bring me like rabbits all the time. Lizards all the time. Rabbits. Yeah, big cat. She's pretty small. But she's part part bangle. She's got a little bit more.

Scott Benner 1:00:37
She's on heroin, so she's very

Amanda 1:00:42
that would make her very bolo,

Scott Benner 1:00:44
actually. Yeah, that wouldn't work for my joke. Nevermind. Hey, not for nothing. You do heroin. You've done coke. Right? Correct. Okay. And you said mushrooms happen in there somewhere?

Amanda 1:00:58
Yeah, we'd obviously I see. We had a couple times that I don't like it. Not a weed person. Look at you. I could never handle that.

Scott Benner 1:01:11
That's it. See, that's the statement I'm looking for to give people a deeper look. Heroin. You are good with we too much for you.

Amanda 1:01:19
It really was. It really is. I can't do it. I flip out and I I just constantly think get this out of my body. I can't think like this. Oh my god, you get paranoid worse thing. Oh, little, I guess I mean, I'm never like, Oh my God. I don't care if people know. And if I did it. I mean, my parents did it. My brother did. It wasn't like I was scared that somebody would find out I was high. I just hated the feeling.

Scott Benner 1:01:41
Me I asked like your mom sounded like a bit of a problem when you were growing up. So was this to kind of escape all that or you were really just doing it? Because the boy did

Amanda 1:01:50
it? No, no, my mom was great. Growing up. It wasn't until later when I was like, I'm gonna have my own life. She's like, No, don't leave me. And then she went crazy. Yeah, she was wonderful. Growing up, give me a break. She sisters. I have an older brother and then an older half brother, which is my dad's

Scott Benner 1:02:10
an older half brother, but this is after your dad. Your mom broke up. Before before, okay. Your mom, your dad, second wife. Right? Are they still together?

Amanda 1:02:24
He died five years ago.

Scott Benner 1:02:25
I'm sorry. From drinking soda. You know, a lot of soda probably right.

Amanda 1:02:32
He never drank that.

Scott Benner 1:02:34
That's what I was trying to get to. That's all I wanted to say. That's all I was hoping you were gonna say. My dad wouldn't drink that garbage. He knew what was in it.

Amanda 1:02:43
My God, he would get so mad when I ate Doritos to go like, Oh, there's a ton of chips. They're gonna kill you.

Scott Benner 1:02:51
I'm in the meeting. Sweetie. Listen to me.

Amanda 1:02:54
I remember we used to have to hide buying something. I think maybe it was Doritos. Because one of them was owned by Pepsi. Something was owned by Pepsi. And we couldn't be seen at the store buying it.

Scott Benner 1:03:07
I do remember that. Frito Lay and PepsiCo were related somehow I thought when I was a kid, though, I'm not sure if I'm right about that.

Amanda 1:03:14
Yeah, something like that. One of them is I remember having to like sneak stuff in.

Scott Benner 1:03:19
There's that documentary, which let me just say I don't remember the name of that was about how algorithms are literally written to just take over and make you do you know, click and swipe and keep you in the app and all that stuff. And there were designers of the algorithms and the thing I said, I my kids are not allowed to have these. That's what I pictured when I talked about your dad than your dad. You were like my dad doesn't drink soda. Are you kidding? That's for you people. Not us. We know. So it's the most telling thing anyone's ever said on this podcast by God, I hope people made it to this part. I don't even know what the hell we were talking about. Your mom's a decent person. Blah, blah. She went wonky when you tried to have your own life. Your dad died from what? I'm sorry.

Amanda 1:04:08
Um

Scott Benner 1:04:12
it's such a long pause. Did he take his own life?

Amanda 1:04:14
Maybe he died from bacon or beer? Not sure. Oh, hard talking. Like one of

Scott Benner 1:04:18
those things? Yeah, okay, cuz you pause for so long as I go, God, our Father might have taken his own life.

Amanda 1:04:24
No, no, no, no, he just, he got he had a bad heart. He had a quadruple bypass when he was like 46. Wow. Yeah. And then towards the end he had a pacemaker and defibrillator and it just

Scott Benner 1:04:41
I should have picture your father with a cigarette in one hand a stick of butter on the other hand, saying this soda is not good for you. Is that about right? Exactly. Exactly. Gotcha. Saturday, you're putting butter on butter. I am I love it. My gosh. ASHRAE in every room

Amanda 1:05:01
when I was young, but I once we moved to Georgia, I think smoking became an outdoor thing. Yeah, like we weren't allowed to do it. Now he wasn't allowed to smoke in the house, my

Scott Benner 1:05:11
age and you know your age. You're close enough to me like your parents were smoking. There was just it was everywhere.

Amanda 1:05:18
Oh, yeah, you're smoking in the hospital while I was born, most of

Scott Benner 1:05:23
you don't I haven't seen in decades. My dad stop at a red light. Take the ashtray from his car, which by the way, for all of you young people, cars used to have ashtrays, and it was full overloaded with butts and ash, he used to have to take the bus and crush the ash to make more space to put more butts and ash into it. And then you'd pull up at a stoplight. He'd pop it out, open the door, reach down, dump them on the ground, tap, tap tap on the ground and put it back in the current driveway.

Amanda 1:05:53
I saw a guy the other day with all windows up smoking in a like a nice car was like a SUV Mercedes ish kind of thing. Oh, man smoking with all the windows up cigarettes.

Scott Benner 1:06:04
Not vaping

Amanda 1:06:06
cigarette. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I was like, wow,

Scott Benner 1:06:10
yeah, give it up now.

Amanda 1:06:13
pretty hardcore, but there's he in his 60s 70s 80s late 70s. No more. Yeah, definitely. I'm

Scott Benner 1:06:19
rolling out just like this.

Amanda 1:06:22
Have a heart attack so expensive. It's crazy. You know,

Scott Benner 1:06:24
so I didn't know that. But we were driving to see Arden and we stopped at this place to get drinks and use the bathroom and stuff like that. And I saw a guy asked for a carton of cigarettes. And when they I remember when the woman said how much it was. I was like, wait, what? What is happening? Like, you know, like insane amounts of money for cigarettes. Yeah. Didn't slow him down. He's like he got to actually. Wow. I remember. My dad used to pay two bucks for a pack. And card.

Amanda 1:06:55
I remember I used to when high school. Yeah, we all like cooler. quarters together. Get

Scott Benner 1:07:01
your cigarettes. Yeah, I remember that storage. I remember when a carton went to $20 My dad was like that. That's insane. Like, he was like, he was like, put off by that and went to like a generic cigarette for a while. He was so

Amanda 1:07:16
pissed about it. My dad rolled his arm. Yeah,

Scott Benner 1:07:19
obviously it's in your blood. But um, we got almost like, how much is a carton of cigarettes now? I'm gonna find out. Yeah, I don't know anymore. I wouldn't know either. Hold on a second carton of cigarettes. By the way. How much is a car car battery catalytic converter popped up car inspection in Pennsylvania. Wow, you can get a carton for $50. And this is not in California. And this know how much there?

Amanda 1:07:47
I mean, I know that. At least a pack is $10

Scott Benner 1:07:52
here in California, hold on, let's say in California and see what happens. pack of cigarettes. Jesus mother gun. All right. Well, God bless you. You must love people must love smoking. It's all tax too. Right? Like they're taxing the crap out of it trying to get you not to do it. Right. Well, actually here Wow. Price per pack by state. New York. 1045.

Amanda 1:08:19
Cattle Wow.

Scott Benner 1:08:20
California. 553. It says

Amanda 1:08:23
that's you think some crazy pack? I don't know. What's kind of that in

Scott Benner 1:08:27
Alaska. Add one. Minnesota or Minnesota? A 840. That's interesting. It varies a lot. Looks like New York's got the on this list at least.

Amanda 1:08:42
Yeah, New York's always been a little ahead of California. But I mean, I know whenever I go to the gas station, I see that it's nine something Oh, two, nine something to excuse me.

Scott Benner 1:08:51
It 553 for a pack of cigarettes in California. 87 cents for excise tax per pack. 43 cents for a state tax per pack. $1.30 total state tax per pack that all gets tacked on to the 549. So in New York, Jesus 1045 plus four plus 40 cents plus 470 548. Yes. $20. Oh my god. That's enough reason to move. If you're a smoker, you'd have to leave the city, I would think All right, listen, this has been terrific. Are we letting your kid talk? Or did she bail? Yeah.

Amanda 1:09:25
No, she wants to just put on speaker the headphones. It's up to you if she's your kid.

Scott Benner 1:09:33
I mean, well, I mean, you can put your to hear it. You're not going to hear what I say to her then. If you're alright with that. Then Jim has things in her ears. Oh, hey, kid. What's up? What's your name? Karen Perrin. Oh, that's a lovely name. How old are you? 1111 I'm 52 just so we know who each other is. You know my name. Yeah, I'm Scott. Your mom and I were talking about your diabetes. I hear you're using a Dexcom. Yeah, yeah. Which one do you have? That's comme je six, six. And you have a pump? Yes. How you like your pump? Okay. Yeah. Well, what kind of bump is it?

Unknown Speaker 1:10:22
I forget my visit.

Scott Benner 1:10:24
Is it tandem? Tandem? Why is it? Why is it Why is Dexcom good and tandems? Okay. Because

Speaker 1 1:10:33
it has to have the wire the tubing. Yeah, your

Scott Benner 1:10:38
mom wouldn't let you in on the pod. Yeah, she wouldn't get it for you. Or she would. But

Speaker 1 1:10:44
she would get it for me. But I was, I'm afraid because it's bigger, so it'll hurt a little more.

Scott Benner 1:10:54
I don't think that's how that works. But I hear you. You should do what makes you comfortable. My daughter wears nod. Oh, yeah. For like ever. So my daughter's 19 which is eight years older than you. You might be impressed with how good my math is. And she's been wearing it on the pod since she was four. That's 15 years. She's been wearing

Amanda 1:11:14
one. Oh, wow. Yeah.

Scott Benner 1:11:16
She likes it a lot. Maybe you'll try one. Who knows? Yeah, because because the tubing is. So what's wrong with the tubing is it gets stuck or do you not like taking it off to get baths? Or what's the thing? Yeah,

Speaker 1 1:11:28
like out like taking it off to like getting a poor shower.

Scott Benner 1:11:32
You ever forget to put it back on after shower?

Unknown Speaker 1:11:35
Actually, yes.

Scott Benner 1:11:36
I mean, your blood sugar goes up, right? Yeah, it happens a lot. Okay, what do you eat? Like, what's some of your favorite foods? Probably tacos. Yeah, like, like once your mom makes or once you get to the store? Yeah. Yeah, Mommy, are you pretty good at bowling is one of them? Not really. I

Unknown Speaker 1:11:55
usually have my mom and my dad did him. Uh huh. Yeah,

Scott Benner 1:11:58
I understand. It's different. I heard you're changing your own Dexcom now though, right? Yeah. Very cool. Good for you. Was it scary to do the first time? Yeah, a little bit. Not too bad now. Yeah. Have you seen the g7?

Unknown Speaker 1:12:16
Yeah, I'm looking into it more. Yeah.

Scott Benner 1:12:18
You doing your own research? Yeah. Yeah. You want to make sure, right. Yeah, my daughter's using it. She likes it a lot. Yeah, smaller. I think she finds it a little easier to put on. And the warm up period where you don't have numbers. There's only 30 minutes. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Pretty

Speaker 1 1:12:38
cool. Yeah. So that's how I'm excited about it. If

Scott Benner 1:12:42
you ever decide to buy Can you do me a favor? Yeah, go to dexcom.com forward slash juicebox. When you get it, okay. I use my link. Okay. Okay, I gotta make a living. You know what I mean? Yeah, I guess can't talk to your mom for fun. I mean, I could, but I got bills. You and me. You're young. You don't know anything about money? You got any money? Oh, yeah. Yeah, like score on it away somewhere. How much you got? I'm not sure right. Now. You want to say in front of your mom. She thinks she'll make you pay for something. No,

Unknown Speaker 1:13:15
I'm just not sure how much I have.

Scott Benner 1:13:19
More or less than 50 bucks.

Unknown Speaker 1:13:22
Probably less.

Scott Benner 1:13:23
Okay. What do you get for like, birthdays and stuff like that?

Unknown Speaker 1:13:27
Um, I usually use it on Starbucks. Oh, look

Scott Benner 1:13:30
at you. You're like a what? Do you like a cold coffee or hot tea? What do you enjoy?

Unknown Speaker 1:13:36
frappuccinos so cold stuff.

Scott Benner 1:13:38
How are you? bolusing for those

Unknown Speaker 1:13:42
10 units.

Scott Benner 1:13:43
10 units does a frappuccino. Yeah. Do you get a spike out of that or no? Yeah. Hi. Hi. Hello. Hi. I'm sure. Does it come back down on its own? Or do you and your mom have to give yourself more insulin at some point? Um

Unknown Speaker 1:14:06
I don't quite hear you.

Scott Benner 1:14:08
Oh, I'm sorry. Do you usually have to Bolus again? Or does it come down by itself? After you?

Unknown Speaker 1:14:14
I usually have the Bolus again.

Scott Benner 1:14:16
Hey, can I ask you a couple of questions about your your vision? Yeah. Oh, good. This is exciting for me. Thank you. I'm sure it's not as exciting for you. Has it been your whole life as long as you can remember? Yeah, yeah. So you don't you don't have any memory of it. You feel like it's possibly been like that forever? Because you don't have any memory of it any other way? Yeah, then red and green. How do you tell them apart?

Speaker 1 1:14:44
It's usually easy. I'm not quite sure. I just taught my brain to train me to know the difference you

Scott Benner 1:14:52
taught yourself which is which? Yeah, are they both just different versions of like, like black or or

Speaker 1 1:15:00
low usually, it's more close to orange.

Scott Benner 1:15:06
Reds more like orange or greens more like reds more like red. Okay. And what's green look like? What do you think green looks like? How do you describe that?

Speaker 1 1:15:15
Probably like, light brown. Like

Scott Benner 1:15:20
Brown. Okay. Does it do everything? Well, everything looks different to me than it does to other people. Yeah. How does that feel?

Unknown Speaker 1:15:30
Honestly,

Speaker 1 1:15:31
it doesn't really feel like anything. It's just like kind of wish like see normally. Yeah, clarifying

Scott Benner 1:15:37
this. Maybe if I could see the way you saw. I'd wish I could see like you. Maybe no. Yeah, it's possible.

Speaker 1 1:15:44
Yeah, like it's cool sometimes. But it's also kind of annoying, but people find out. Then they're kind of just like, Oh, what's this color? Or like, was that color?

Scott Benner 1:15:56
Oh, then they want to like play the game with you. Or they asked you like, yeah. Is this the kind that like you can wear glasses to change? Have you ever seen those glasses? Yeah,

Speaker 1 1:16:04
yeah. Yeah, I've worn them when I was little by hated it. Yeah, like the

Scott Benner 1:16:08
glasses. Yeah. Hey, weird question. You're not gonna understand why I'm asking you. Do you like Slurpees? Yes, you do. Do you love them? Yes. Interesting. Okay, thank you. You have any questions for me?

Unknown Speaker 1:16:23
Not really. No, no.

Scott Benner 1:16:25
I appreciate that. Do you ever hear me like coming out of your mom's phone? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Just you dad ever say like crap about me. Like, oh my god. You listen to that again? Oh, no, that's nice. Tell him I think he's cool. Then. Do you see? Is he teaching you how to play the drums?

Speaker 1 1:16:43
He tries to but I don't want to learn.

Scott Benner 1:16:46
Are you any good at it? Are you just not interested? I'm just not interested. Gotcha. Jamia has like a lot of work. It looks like to me. I mean, really does. It was like a sweaty thing. Do you play any instruments?

Speaker 1 1:17:00
I used to play trumpet last year. No.

Scott Benner 1:17:04
Did you like it? Yeah. Nice. But why did you stop?

Speaker 1 1:17:11
Because I wanted to give acting more of a try. You're doing acting in school? Yeah. And school? Oh, wow.

Scott Benner 1:17:19
Tell me like you take classes.

Speaker 1 1:17:22
Uh, yeah. Nice. I'm actually doing the Little Mermaid. Really?

Scott Benner 1:17:28
Are you the crab or the mermaid? Where are you the sea witch or whatever?

Unknown Speaker 1:17:32
I'm one of the sisters. Oh,

Scott Benner 1:17:34
nice. Like the one Oh, yeah. Like behind Ursula right. Oh, no, no, no, the the. The mermaid sisters. Yeah. Nice. You have any lines?

Speaker 1 1:17:46
I'm just singing but otherwise know what songs the daughters are trying to and she's in love. Oh, that's

Scott Benner 1:17:52
wonderful. You're doing that at school? Are you doing that

Unknown Speaker 1:17:54
in the class? In class?

Scott Benner 1:17:56
Oh, nice. How often? How many times a week you go to class

Unknown Speaker 1:17:59
to Monday, Wednesday.

Scott Benner 1:18:03
Do you have any problems with your blood sugar's while you're acting?

Speaker 1 1:18:07
That usually, sometimes when we're dancing, it'll go low. Okay, otherwise now?

Scott Benner 1:18:14
Gotcha. Is there like an exercise mode on that T slim? I think there is right? Yeah. Is it? Is it worked for you? Good. Very nice. Oh, celiac. There's certain things you don't eat right? Yeah, the bother you not eat those things. You do not care.

Speaker 1 1:18:33
Most of the time. I don't care. But sometimes I'm just like, I wish I can have that. I got birthday cake. Like birthday parties with cake. Cake. That's

Scott Benner 1:18:43
that's something I wish I could have. I don't want to rub it in. But I had a cupcake the other day was fantastic. Oh, yeah. You'll never know I guess. But my God So good to cake. And then there was the sugar all over the top with the only thing that you ever eat the icing? Yeah, that's pretty good. Actually, the icing is probably the best part. I don't know if you're missing anything. Yeah. Is this like, gluten free cake? Is it not great?

Speaker 1 1:19:07
It's good. But gluten cakes better?

Scott Benner 1:19:11
Yeah. What happens if you eat gluten?

Speaker 1 1:19:13
I'd throw up after two hours. So it's like digesting it. Oh,

Scott Benner 1:19:18
that might be genetic that's thrown up. Yeah. You see you eat a cupcake, for instance, with gluten in it. And a couple of hours later, you just vomit? Yeah. Oh my gosh. That's insane. Well, yeah, I would want to avoid that. Right? Yes. So are you taller than your mom?

Unknown Speaker 1:19:37
No,

Scott Benner 1:19:38
I think you will be.

Speaker 1 1:19:41
Maybe I'm very much shorter to her.

Scott Benner 1:19:45
Yeah. Hey, I am adopted. out so you and I kind of have something in common a little bit, right? Yeah. What's it like to like, I mean, I know your dad's your dad. Right and everything. He loves you and you love him. But what's it like to not know? Like a parent? Oh,

Speaker 1 1:20:05
really? No views. I was so young. Yeah, that's time and I didn't really know what that was. You don't think about it though? No, not really. No,

Scott Benner 1:20:16
I didn't either. When I was little, I don't know, either. I get all seemed very normal to me. You know, but it's kind of cool. I thought. So I used to think this. I used to think that because I don't know, the people that I came from, like, I get to, like, decide who I am. And I don't have to, like, you know, follow along by what other people do. So I don't know if you might find that freedom at some point when you're older. Yeah, that's pretty cool. What else do you love? Anything? Music drawing?

Speaker 1 1:20:46
Probably my pets. Yeah,

Scott Benner 1:20:50
you have a dead rat up there. Did you know that? Oh, yeah. Your cats? Like an animal like religion unmanly? Like, just like it just grabbed a rat and killed it. Is it gonna be weird now to pet the cat knowing that he or she like she she? She was able to do that? Because she's like, a little, like a little murderer. Or almost, you know, anyway.

Unknown Speaker 1:21:12
Yeah.

Scott Benner 1:21:13
Are you scared of her now? Right?

Speaker 1 1:21:15
A little bit? Yeah, she's actually right here. So I shouldn't say much. Yeah, right.

Scott Benner 1:21:21
You don't want to piss her off. Come for you next. It'll be up on the windowsill. You know what I mean? Yeah. I don't think the cat can kill you, by the way. But I have one last question for you that I'm gonna let you go. Or you haven't. First of all, you haven't fun? Yes, sir. Good. Good. All right. My last question is, you don't like to get blood draws, right? Tell me about what it makes you feel like when you know you have to get a blood draw.

Speaker 1 1:21:45
Like kinda nervous. And I'm afraid it's gonna hurt way more than it does like, these. One time, I had to go with my mom. And it kind of like, we couldn't get enough blood or anything. And so I had to do it again. So that's the part I'm most scared of.

Scott Benner 1:22:04
So it makes you nervous because you think it's gonna hurt but then it doesn't really end up hurting that badly. Yeah. Why are you nervous the next time?

Speaker 1 1:22:11
Almost, it's really nerve wracking to get my blood drawn.

Scott Benner 1:22:15
I gotcha. I understand. My daughter doesn't like it either. Yeah, I don't mind it. Can I give you a hint? I think I learned. Yeah. Okay. So you know, when they like, the gut in the vein, like in your like, like the bend in your arm, right to get the blood out? Yeah, I found that if you take out like a, like a deep, not a real deep breath, but a breath in. Right. And then as they're putting the needle in, push the arrow. So while the while the needles going in. It really, it really changed it for me. Oh, yeah. Give it a try next time. So just you know, say, All right, well, I want to make sure we're ready. I'm going to take a deep breath in and I'm gonna blow my I'm gonna blow the breath out while you're putting a needle on. So I want to time it like that. And then just deep breath in. Blow it out while the needle is going. It made a big difference for me. Give it a try. Let me know if it up if I helped you. Okay, if it helps you tell your mom tell her write me a note. Okay. Okay. All right. Cool. It was lovely to talk to you. Is this going to be the first podcast you've ever been on?

Unknown Speaker 1:23:23
Yes, actually. Nice.

Scott Benner 1:23:26
You want to pimp your Instagram or anything while you're here? No. Yeah, Instagram you want people to check out or anything like that? Yeah, yeah. You can share it if you want to.

Unknown Speaker 1:23:37
Okay,

Scott Benner 1:23:37
I'll ask your mom if it's okay first, okay. Okay. All right. Put her back on. So I can say goodbye to her. It was really nice to talk to you.

Unknown Speaker 1:23:45
Have a good day. Bye.

Scott Benner 1:23:48
Hello, two things and I'll let you go. Okay, was that kid on school?

Amanda 1:23:53
Because I scheduled this wrong. She's having a pump failure right now. She'll be a little late.

Scott Benner 1:24:01
I'm gonna let you go. And the other thing is, she told me that when she eats gluten, it makes her throw up and I said, Oh, that might be genetic. But she doesn't know why I said that. And I think when you listen back to it, you're gonna laugh You're I'm gonna let you go. Because obviously you have a life that you have to attend to in Arad, you have to dispose up. So I really do appreciate you doing this very much. It was terrific.

Amanda 1:24:24
Thank you.

Scott Benner 1:24:25
Thank you. Yep, take care. Bye

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